Guess I might be a little late to the conversation, but I won't let that stop me :) Thing is, it's not just list elements. I often write educational materials for work, and as is often the standard in print, I'll use bold to indicate the first appearance of a new vocabulary word. I know that <b> is discouraged, but I've never been quite sure whether <em> or <strong> would be more appropriate semantically. There are other times I've been unsure exactly which <Hn> to use for a particular side bar's heading. I'm sure if I thought enough I could come up with other examples... but often I just wish someone with both a good solid understanding of CSS *and* an English major or other strong writing background would put together "The Elements of Style... Sheets" as a guide to proper semantic markup. Just a thought. drew -- Drew Gilmore Sudekum Planetarium www.SudekumPlanetarium.com -- Just a guy made of dots and lines.