>any ideas? A fun exercise. I did one, but realized that I was not sure if your nav links would be images or otherwise of a fixed size. I assumed that resizeable text links would be a good thing. Only big prob is the "jaggies" on the ellipse... (note that my version has some funky transparency in the logo - too tired to fix that right now). http://www.neptunewebworks.com/evolt/jeff/challenge-1.htm Maximillian Von Schwanekamp Dynamic Websites and E-Commerce www.NeptuneWebworks.com voice: 541-302-1438 fax: 208-730-6504