hiya, am trying to get a "double border" effect on a proposed new home page design and am having issues trying to get it to look okay for ie5.2 on the mac. would *really* appreciate any guidance as to what may be the cause... example here: http://www.midtempo.net/wip/index_border.html css at: http://www.midtempo.net/wip/home_v29.css many thanks kris -- kris burford midtempo ltd http://www.midtempo.net