[thelist] RE: thelist Digest, Vol 19, Issue 19

BT bt at creativetactics.com
Sun Sep 12 09:50:31 CDT 2004


Is Tufte worth buying?

As someone who owns his three books and has attended one of his
seminars, I would say: save your money.  Don't get me wrong, he's a nice
person with great presentation skills who entertains an audience via his
words or physical presence.  I have not learned anything "new" from him.
I have had lessons "reconfirmed" by him.  The #1 lesson is: a picture is
worth a 1000 words.  The #2 lesson is: show me what you mean.  What he
does with data is simple: make it relevant.  If you are talking about
sells of Mrs. Smith's pies, then use a pie chart - literally.  Show her
wonderful thick apple pies cut in slices in portion to the data you are
discussing.  That's his lesson - make the graph visually relevant.  It's
much more fun for your audience to see a bar graph of chocolate Hershey
bars compared to M&M Mars bars when talking about the market shares each
company owns than a blue bar to a red bar.  

You've just learned what I spent thousand$ to learn. $ave your money.  

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: is Tufte worth buying? (Bob Easton)
   2. Re: is Tufte worth buying? (Bob Easton)
   3. Re: is Tufte worth buying? (Davin Granroth)
   4. RE: VB.NET built in functions (David Travis)
   5. Do these UNICODE characters work - page check (Bob Easton)
   6. RE: Do these UNICODE characters work - page check (David Travis)
   7. Re: Rich Internet Application (Michal Migurski)
   8. seamless search engines (ROBIN WILKES)
   9. Re: Do these UNICODE characters work - page check (Bob Easton)
  10. Re: CSS technique for forms? (Frank)
  11. Dreamweaver/BBedit concurrency solutions? (Frank)
  12. Re: Dreamweaver/BBedit concurrency solutions? (Michal Migurski)
  13. ICONS for FTP (Sam Carter)
  14. Re: Dreamweaver/BBedit concurrency solutions? (Frank)
  15. Re: ICONS for FTP (Ken Schaefer)
  16. Need to add a serial number system to my ASP script. (Craig)
  17. RE: Dreamweaver/BBedit concurrency solutions? (Scott Harman)


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Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 07:18:00 -0400
From: Bob Easton <bob at eleaston.com>
To: "thelist at lists.evolt.org" <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Subject: Re: [thelist] is Tufte worth buying?
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Joel D Canfield wrote:

> I'm working on more and more complex web generated tables from various
> data stores. My users are generally satisfied with the visual
> presentation of the data, but I'd like to move from 'good enough' to
> 'excellent.'
> 
> The reviews of Tufte's books at Amazon.com seem to be 90% worship, 10%
> cursing. Are the 90% blinded, or are the 10% just misguided?
> 
> If the company would spring for the fifty bucks, is reading Tufte
going
> to help me hone my skills in visual presentation of data via web
tools?
> > 
First, Tufte is not a web designer.  So, if you're hoping to glean 
general web design tips from his books, stop hoping.

If your goal is effective presentation of complex data, then Tufte's 
your man. His books will encourage you to see your data in new ways.  I 
can't suggest which of the three books might be most appropriate for 
your data sets. The first, "Visual Display of Quantatative 
Informaition," is a fine foundation for traditional informaiton display.

The second, "Envisioning Information," is characterized by "Escaping 
flatland," seeking other ways to represent information, from small 
multiples, to story telling. The third, "Visual Explanations" explores 
other media, some of it for computer screens, but much of toward motion 
video.


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Bob Easton
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Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 07:24:21 -0400
From: Bob Easton <bob at eleaston.com>
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Subject: Re: [thelist] is Tufte worth buying?
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Forgot to add:
http://www.edwardtufte.com/tufte/

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Bob Easton
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Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 07:28:31 -0400
From: Davin Granroth <davin at envisionic.com>
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: [thelist] Re: is Tufte worth buying?
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Tufte books are okay, but I was much more impacted by going to one of 
his courses. And, you get all the books with the registration fee for 
the conference. You'd just have to convince your company to spring the 
course fee ($320 -  though there is a lower student fee if you qualify).

Regardless of whether the 10% are right (they aren't), I learned a ton 
from his course. It opened my eyes to the power of being smart about 
visual/information design. He's a great speaker too.

http://www.edwardtufte.com/tufte/courses

-drg

On Saturday, September 11, 2004, at 07:06 AM, 
thelist-request at lists.evolt.org wrote:

> I'm working on more and more complex web generated tables from various
> data stores. My users are generally satisfied with the visual
> presentation of the data, but I'd like to move from 'good enough' to
> 'excellent.'
>
> The reviews of Tufte's books at Amazon.com seem to be 90% worship, 10%
> cursing. Are the 90% blinded, or are the 10% just misguided?
>
> If the company would spring for the fifty bucks, is reading Tufte
going
> to help me hone my skills in visual presentation of data via web
tools?

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Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 14:48:43 +0200
From: "David Travis" <dwork at macam.ac.il>
To: "'Casey Crookston'" <casey at thecrookstons.com>,
<thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Subject: RE: [thelist] VB.NET built in functions
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Hello Casey,

I am not sure how many built in functions there are in VB.NET as of the
.NET
generation it is all OO and not procedural as it was with VB6.

I believe you will find all the required information you need in the
framework's documentation where they documented all objects in the
framework.

Here is a link to the documentation's root, where you can find any
class's
documentation:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/netstar
t/ht
ml/cpframeworkref_start.asp

Click on ".NET Framework Class Library" to start browsing classes'
documentation.

Good luck!
David.


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Subject: Re: [thelist] VB.NET built in functions

Ken,

> If you are looking for the VB.NET Language functions

Yes, I am.

>then:
ms-help://MS.NETFrameworkSDKv1.1/vblr7net/html/vaoriFunctionsVBA.htm

Okay, I've got the SDK installed.  There IS a ton of info in here.  What
I'm
looking for is some sort of reference/help for built in functions.

C:\Program Files\Microsoft.NET\SDK\v1.1

Where do i go from here?

Casey



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Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 11:07:30 -0400
From: Bob Easton <bob at eleaston.com>
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: [thelist] Do these UNICODE characters work - page check
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Please visit this page and answer the question there.

http://eleaston.com/bob/ipa.asp

I'm reworking a language site that needs to display certain Unicode 
characters known as IPA (International Phonetic Alphabet) characters. 
The page is coded with charset=utf-8, and I'm using fonts from several 
platforms that are reputed to contain the characters.

The challenge is how well does it work in various browsers.  I would 
really appreciate you taking a few seconds to check the page and answer 
the form ... especially for non-IE browsers and all platforms.

Reassurance: the only details collected are the form fields, 
HTTP_USER_AGENT, HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE, and HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET.

THANKS!
-- 
Bob Easton
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Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 19:59:57 +0200
From: "David Travis" <dwork at macam.ac.il>
To: <bob at eleaston.com>, <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Subject: RE: [thelist] Do these UNICODE characters work - page check
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Interesting survey! I think the group would be happy to hear any
interesting
results, which can help us handle encoding issues.

David.

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Please visit this page and answer the question there.

http://eleaston.com/bob/ipa.asp

I'm reworking a language site that needs to display certain Unicode 
characters known as IPA (International Phonetic Alphabet) characters. 
The page is coded with charset=utf-8, and I'm using fonts from several 
platforms that are reputed to contain the characters.

The challenge is how well does it work in various browsers.  I would 
really appreciate you taking a few seconds to check the page and answer 
the form ... especially for non-IE browsers and all platforms.

Reassurance: the only details collected are the form fields, 
HTTP_USER_AGENT, HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE, and HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET.

THANKS!
-- 
Bob Easton
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Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 13:58:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: Michal Migurski <mike at teczno.com>
To: "thelist at lists.evolt.org" <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Subject: Re: [thelist] Rich Internet Application
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> The application that I have described I thought was perfect for Flash
Remoting,
> however no one I have talked to has suggested that or given me any
hope,
> instead it seems to be a conglomeration of applets, beans, jsp,
javascript and
> so on.

Remoting is just another way to pass data between the server and the
client. It's not really different from XML sockets or name/value pairs,
except in execution details - the client still has to initiate a
connection to the server.

It has the disadvantage of being a closed format, with open-source
implementations like AMFPHP having to resort to reverse engineering to
make it work. According to people I know it's also slated for
deprecation,
though I'm not sure of any real details on that.

It still doesn't completely address the offline-viewing requirement.

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Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 12:19:57 -0700
From: "ROBIN WILKES" <webdev.rw at earthlink.net>
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Subject: [thelist] seamless search engines
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There are a few free apps. that can be downloaded that will do this. It
=
may also be done with ASP.NET and possibly ASP.

I have the app on my machine at work and if you will email me at =
rwilkes.csudh.edu I'll give you the URL when I have the time.

Robin Wilkes
Web Devleoper/Designer

"The difference between fiction and reality? Fiction has to make sense."
=
- Tom Clancy
webdev.rw at earthlink.net=20
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Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 15:26:04 -0400
From: Bob Easton <bob at eleaston.com>
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org, dwork at macam.ac.il
Subject: Re: [thelist] Do these UNICODE characters work - page check
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David Travis wrote:

> Interesting survey! I think the group would be happy to hear any
interesting
> results, which can help us handle encoding issues.
> 
12 of the first 13 test results saw the text showing the same characters

as shown in the image.  Unfortunately, I stupidly forgot to capture the 
http_user_agent data and don't know what browser was failing.

Oversight corrected now. Tests with older browsers are very welcome now 
that I'm collecting the agent information.

Try it at: http://eleaston.com/bob/ipa.asp

-- 
Bob Easton
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Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 18:44:47 -0400
From: Frank <lists at frankmarion.com>
To: "thelist at lists.evolt.org" <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Subject: Re: [thelist] CSS technique for forms?
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At 11:38 AM 2004-09-09, you wrote:
>Like this:
>http://work.insoft.ro/contact/dealeri/

Nice work.



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Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 19:32:24 -0400
From: Frank <lists at frankmarion.com>
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: [thelist] Dreamweaver/BBedit concurrency solutions?
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My partner and I have been stepping on each other's feet for a little 
while, and we're looking for a solution. He's on a Mac using BBEdit, I'm
on 
a PC using DreamWeaver MX.

BBEdit handles CVS, but DreamWeaver doesn't seem to. DreamWeaver has a 
"check in-check out" solution that BBEdit doesn't recognize.

Does anyone have an example of a successful and near-transparent system 
that could allow us to keep our files synchronised and safe from 
overwriting? I don't mind doing a bit of up-front set up, as long as 
day-to-day usage is nearly effortless (my partner won't use it unless
it's 
extremely convenient).




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Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 16:51:07 -0700
From: Michal Migurski <mike at teczno.com>
To: "thelist at lists.evolt.org" <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Subject: Re: [thelist] Dreamweaver/BBedit concurrency solutions?
Message-ID: <73590483-044D-11D9-A233-000393C400E2 at teczno.com>
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> BBEdit handles CVS, but DreamWeaver doesn't seem to. DreamWeaver has a

> "check in-check out" solution that BBEdit doesn't recognize.
>
> Does anyone have an example of a successful and near-transparent 
> system that could allow us to keep our files synchronised and safe 
> from overwriting? I don't mind doing a bit of up-front set up, as long

> as day-to-day usage is nearly effortless (my partner won't use it 
> unless it's extremely convenient).

Tortoise is a great PC CVS client that integrates into windows pretty 
seamlessly.
http://www.tortoisecvs.org/

A little bit of googling turned up 
http://www.grafxsoftware.com/product.php?id=22

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Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 22:48:24 -0400
From: "Sam Carter" <scforum at iness.com>
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Subject: [thelist] ICONS for FTP
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Is there a way to build a folder of ICONs in Windows XP in which each
ICON
will open up a copy of Windows Explorer pointing to an FTP website ? 

Sam


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Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 23:27:04 -0400
From: Frank <lists at frankmarion.com>
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At 07:51 PM 2004-09-11, you wrote:
>Tortoise is a great PC CVS client that integrates into windows pretty 
>seamlessly.
>http://www.tortoisecvs.org/

Yes, found that one, but I was hoping for something that integrates well

with DreamWeaver.

>A little bit of googling turned up 
>http://www.grafxsoftware.com/product.php?id=22

This looks like it could be a good choice. Thanks.



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Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 14:45:10 +1000
From: Ken Schaefer <ken.schaefer at gmail.com>
To: "thelist at lists.evolt.org" <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Subject: Re: [thelist] ICONS for FTP
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Message: 15

What about adding a new "network place"?

Cheers
Ken


On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 22:48:24 -0400, Sam Carter <scforum at iness.com>
wrote:
> Is there a way to build a folder of ICONs in Windows XP in which each
ICON
> will open up a copy of Windows Explorer pointing to an FTP website ?
> 
> Sam
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Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 15:43:38 +0930
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To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Subject: [thelist] Need to add a serial number system to my ASP script.
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Hi all,

I need some help with something I know nothing about.  I have a ASP =
script that I want to use a serial number to make the script run.

Something like this.  The user downloads my ASP script.  I give the user
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a "serial number" that the user can enter into the ASP file, and is then
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able to run that ASP file.  without the serial, it won't run.

Do you have any links regarding serial numbers for ASP files?

Any thoughts or help is appreciated,

Thanks,
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Frank wrote:
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> My partner and I have been stepping on each other's feet for a little 
> while, and we're looking for a solution. He's on a Mac using BBEdit,
I'm 
> on a PC using DreamWeaver MX.
> 
> BBEdit handles CVS, but DreamWeaver doesn't seem to. DreamWeaver has a

> "check in-check out" solution that BBEdit doesn't recognize.

You could try WebDAV if your server supports it.
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I'm using PHPEdit from Waterproof.fr - very good for html as well as
PHP, but if you install TortoiseCVS you can use the file explorer in
PHPEdit to update and commit from within PHPEdit - works quite nicely
for me.

Scott=20

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Frank wrote:
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> I'm on a PC using DreamWeaver MX.
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> BBEdit handles CVS, but DreamWeaver doesn't seem to. DreamWeaver has a

> "check in-check out" solution that BBEdit doesn't recognize.

You could try WebDAV if your server supports it.
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