FYI - it's called the 'peekaboo' bug: http://www.positioniseverything.net/explorer/peekaboo.html with Microsoft, things are NEVER boring... :p Paul B >That did it - the clearing element, that is. I tried moving the >elements to the end and that made the nav disappear in Layout A. >Thanks for your help, both you and Carolyn - I'll definitely keep an >eye on padding and borders in the future - it's good to know that that >can be an issue with IE. Thanks again, ladies!! > > >