From alex at alexfarran.com  Thu Mar 31 14:05:38 2005
From: alex at alexfarran.com (Alex Farran)
Date: 31 Mar 2005 21:05:38 +0100
Subject: [thelist] Re: SQL gurus
In-Reply-To: <ba35457505032512331386bc97@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ba35457505032512124af21d44@mail.gmail.com>
	<ba35457505032512331386bc97@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <m3is3737jh.fsf@slack1.com>

Theodore Serbinski writes:

> SELECT m1.date,m1.mileage,m1.notes,m2.date AS \'match\' FROM m m1 LEFT
> JOIN m m2 ON (m1.date=m2.date AND m1.mileage=m2.mileage AND m2.notes
> LIKE \'%'.$searchString.'%\')';

> Seems to work like a charm. Feel free to chime if you have any other
> better solutions. Based on this the "match" field will have the date
> value if a match is found... then in PHP I just test to see if this
> field isn't null...works great!

You can do it without the join like this:

select date, mileage, notes, notes like '%whatever%' as match from m;

Alex
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From boldfish at gmail.com  Mon Mar 28 02:53:57 2005
From: boldfish at gmail.com (Tony Crockford)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 09:53:57 +0100
Subject: [thelist] Javascript off CSS on hide elements in page
Message-ID: <f9c7840e05032800535614afef@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I have a site (sorry, protected by NDA ) that has some javascript
submits and "jump" menus  I want to provide functionality for users
surfing with javascript off, and have provided <noscript> wrapped
alternatives.

what I wanted to do was turn off (display:none) the elements that
needed javascript when they are replaced by their noscript
equivalents.

well I managed that by doing this:

<!-- hide noscript.css with javascript - no javascript - loads noscript.css -->
<script type="text/javascript">
<!--	 
document.write('<!' + '--'); 
//-->
</script>
<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" media="screen"
href="/sty/noscript.css" />
<script type="text/javascript">
<!--	 
document.write('--' + '>'); 
//-->
</script>

unfortunately the w3c validator balks at my code, which to my simple
brain would be valid..

what i'm trying to do is use javascript to wrap the link to the
stylesheet in comments (noscript tags are not allowed in the head)
which works in practice.

(noscript.css has just this: 
.noscript {
display: none;
}

and some modified element heights to allow for different size boxes
with/without javascript



can anyone suggest a way of getting the same results - i.e load a
stylesheet only when javascript is off - that would pass validation.

TIA


p.s. loading a counter stylesheet *with* javascript isn't really an
option unless someone can suggest a blanket opposite to display:none
that would work when some of the elements are inline and some are
block.



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http://xebit.net

From lists at onlinetools.org  Mon Mar 28 04:20:58 2005
From: lists at onlinetools.org (Christian Heilmann)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 11:20:58 +0100
Subject: [thelist] Javascript off CSS on hide elements in page
In-Reply-To: <f9c7840e05032800535614afef@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f9c7840e05032800535614afef@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4247DA8A.6000106@onlinetools.org>

Tony Crockford wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>I have a site (sorry, protected by NDA ) that has some javascript
>submits and "jump" menus  I want to provide functionality for users
>surfing with javascript off, and have provided <noscript> wrapped
>alternatives.
>
>what I wanted to do was turn off (display:none) the elements that
>needed javascript when they are replaced by their noscript
>equivalents.
>  
>
That sounds like a rather complicated and  buggy way of achieving  that 
functionality. If you have functionality that is dependent  on 
Javascript, then create these elements via Javascript. Create them via 
the DOM rather than messing about inside the markup with document.write.
http://www.onlinetools.org/articles/unobtrusivejavascript/
http://www.onlinetools.org/tools/puredom/

HTH
Chris



From boldfish at gmail.com  Mon Mar 28 04:43:59 2005
From: boldfish at gmail.com (Tony Crockford)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 11:43:59 +0100
Subject: [thelist] Javascript off CSS on hide elements in page
In-Reply-To: <4247DA8A.6000106@onlinetools.org>
References: <f9c7840e05032800535614afef@mail.gmail.com>
	 <4247DA8A.6000106@onlinetools.org>
Message-ID: <f9c7840e0503280243ea56fda@mail.gmail.com>

 Create them via
> the DOM rather than messing about inside the markup with document.write.
> http://www.onlinetools.org/articles/unobtrusivejavascript/
> http://www.onlinetools.org/tools/puredom/

I'd like to do that, but haven't got my head round the method yet.
isn't writing great gobs of content with javascript just as bad?

I've got a javascript link action so I can have a styled submit and a
noscript submit button.  I want a way to hide the javascript submit -
your suggestting I write the whole section with javascript and so if
there is no javascript it doesn't get written?

fair enough, but I've also got a huge select list that auto jumps
"onchange" writing that with javascript will be a pain for anyone that
wants to add to the list or edit it...

I was looking for a simple way...  seems to get simple I've got to work harder

;o)

(btw the javascript is at the clients insistence... - I'd be happy
with browser rendered buttons, but what do I know...)

From and-evolt at doxdesk.com  Mon Mar 28 04:52:40 2005
From: and-evolt at doxdesk.com (Andrew Clover)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 19:52:40 +0900
Subject: [thelist] PHP question... checking string length
In-Reply-To: <bbc8fa430503262050606bdf17@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ba35457505032509305003cf89@mail.gmail.com>
	<42462C0F.4000307@doxdesk.com> <bbc8fa430503262050606bdf17@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4247E1F8.4060308@doxdesk.com>

Matt Warden <mwarden at gmail.com> wrote:

> Java strings are not mutable.

Ahem. Yes. Dunno why I said mutable there, when I really just meant an 
object with identity. tsk.

(It is indeed unusual for an immutable value type one can write as a 
literal to have identity, which is why Java Strings trip people up.)

Anyway, I just ran an ad hoc test to see whether the speed issue 
persists in PHP and the result is: no, precisely the opposite in fact. 
The test strlen($a)==0 seems to be consistently 50%-60% slower than 
$a=='' in PHP in at least the very limited script I tested. [under PHP 
4.3.1, IIS 5.1]

So I'd advise against using this 'optimisation' under PHP.

-- 
Andrew Clover
mailto:and at doxdesk.com
http://www.doxdesk.com/

From lists at onlinetools.org  Mon Mar 28 05:36:52 2005
From: lists at onlinetools.org (Christian Heilmann)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 12:36:52 +0100
Subject: [thelist] Javascript off CSS on hide elements in page
In-Reply-To: <f9c7840e0503280243ea56fda@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f9c7840e05032800535614afef@mail.gmail.com>
	<4247DA8A.6000106@onlinetools.org> <f9c7840e0503280243ea56fda@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4247EC54.50301@onlinetools.org>

Tony Crockford wrote:

> Create them via
>  
>
>>the DOM rather than messing about inside the markup with document.write.
>>http://www.onlinetools.org/articles/unobtrusivejavascript/
>>http://www.onlinetools.org/tools/puredom/
>>    
>>
>
>I'd like to do that, but haven't got my head round the method yet.
>isn't writing great gobs of content with javascript just as bad?
>  
>
Well, the idea is to create something that works without javascript and 
then enhance it with it. You are not writing out a lot with Javascript, 
you simply alter what is there.

>I've got a javascript link action so I can have a styled submit and a
>noscript submit button.  I want a way to hide the javascript submit -
>your suggestting I write the whole section with javascript and so if
>there is no javascript it doesn't get written?
>
>  
>
Add the normal submit button, and when Javascript is enabled replace it 
with the Javascript enabled one.

<input type="submit" value="send" id="sendbutton">

Create your styled link and replace the  submit:

oldbutton=document.getElementById('sendbutton');
newa=document.createElement('a');
newa.onclick=yourfunction;
newa.appendChild(document.createTextNode(oldbutton.value))
newa.className='yourclass';
oldbutton.parentNode.replaceChild(newa,oldbutton);


>fair enough, but I've also got a huge select list that auto jumps
>"onchange" writing that with javascript will be a pain for anyone that
>wants to add to the list or edit it...
>
>I was looking for a simple way...  seems to get simple I've got to work harder
>  
>
Same there, simply remove the button and add the onchange handler 
directly to the element via Javascript.

You  could also use my script to turn a list into a dropdown:  
http://icant.co.uk/forreview/tamingselect/






From boldfish at gmail.com  Mon Mar 28 05:18:01 2005
From: boldfish at gmail.com (Tony Crockford)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 12:18:01 +0100
Subject: [thelist] Javascript off CSS on hide elements in page
In-Reply-To: <4247EC54.50301@onlinetools.org>
References: <f9c7840e05032800535614afef@mail.gmail.com>
	 <4247DA8A.6000106@onlinetools.org>
	 <f9c7840e0503280243ea56fda@mail.gmail.com>
	 <4247EC54.50301@onlinetools.org>
Message-ID: <f9c7840e05032803183213ae72@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 12:36:52 +0100, Christian Heilmann
<lists at onlinetools.org> wrote:
> Tony Crockford wrote:
>
> >I was looking for a simple way...  seems to get simple I've got to work harder
> >
> >
> Same there, simply remove the button and add the onchange handler
> directly to the element via Javascript.
> 
> You  could also use my script to turn a list into a dropdown:
> http://icant.co.uk/forreview/tamingselect/
> 

okay, makes most sense.

up until now I've been hacking other bits of javascript to suit my
needs - perhaps it's time to learn how to use it properly.  any hints
tips or good tutorials for getting to grips with dom scripting from a
new to javascript perspective?

TIA


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From and-evolt at doxdesk.com  Mon Mar 28 05:25:29 2005
From: and-evolt at doxdesk.com (Andrew Clover)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 20:25:29 +0900
Subject: [thelist] Removing link colors
In-Reply-To: <4D3FE442-9E67-11D9-9E18-000393971BD0@logorocks.com>
References: <4D3FE442-9E67-11D9-9E18-000393971BD0@logorocks.com>
Message-ID: <4247E9A8.1010306@doxdesk.com>

Chris Kavanagh wrote:

> I'd like to make the links on my page have no special colour.

Has no-one mentioned 'inherit' yet? This is the normal CSS2 way to make 
a property take its parent's computed value:

   a:link {
     text-decoration: none;
     color: inherit;
   }

The slight snag - natch - is that this doesn't work on IE. However you 
can use a JScript expression hack to duplicate the behaviour:

   a:link {
     text-decoration: none;
     color: inherit;
     color: expression(this.parentNode.currentStyle.color);
   }

If you want to validate the CSS, you could hide the 'expression' rule in 
a separate style in a conditional comment, or something, I suppose.

-- 
Andrew Clover
mailto:and at doxdesk.com
http://www.doxdesk.com/

From and-evolt at doxdesk.com  Mon Mar 28 06:14:49 2005
From: and-evolt at doxdesk.com (Andrew Clover)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 21:14:49 +0900
Subject: [thelist] Javascript off CSS on hide elements in page
In-Reply-To: <f9c7840e05032800535614afef@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f9c7840e05032800535614afef@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4247F539.7030103@doxdesk.com>

Tony Crockford <boldfish at gmail.com> wrote:

> what I wanted to do was turn off (display:none) the elements that
> needed javascript when they are replaced by their noscript
> equivalents.

It's probably best to set the 'display: none' rule (or, better, just 
removeChild) on the element nodes themselves, in the JavaScript that 
replaces them with something. That way, you know that they will only be 
hidden if the replacement is completely successful.

(If there is a JS error, or scripts have been partially blocked or 
something, the original elements will still be visible. This is a Good 
Thing because JavaScript is, essentially, inherently unreliable.)

What you are trying to do is a very nasty hack, but is achievable with 
valid code, and can be useful in the direst of emergencies!

To make both the original document and the version altered by the 
document.write() valid HTML, you only need to be slightly more caereful 
with the comments.

In legacy SGML-based HTML, a '--' string inside a comment has the effect 
of swapping between being a comment and begin some SGML junk that isn't 
a comment but will typically be ignored. To end a comment properly, you 
have to ensure there's an even number of '--' tokens between the <!-- 
and the -->.

So, firstly, you shouldn't include the string '--' in the <script> 
sections. Instead, you could write something like:

   document.write('<!-\-');

This will also stop the validator complaining in XHTML mode. In XML, the 
string '--' is simply not allowed in comments at all (it was felt that 
this was simpler than allowing it but with possibly-unexpected 
consequences, as HTML does).

Secondly, it means that if the first <script> block does write a '<!--', 
the remaining post-script markup as seen by the parser is:

   <!-- [1]
   <link rel="stylesheet" ... />
   <script type="text/javascript">
   <!-- [2]
     document.write('-- [3]' + '>');
   //-->
   </script>

The parser is in a comment at [1], out of a comment again at [2] 
(followed by some SGML garbage) and in a comment again at [3], just in 
time for a proper end-of-comment '-->' tag. Unfortunately there's then 
an unmatched </script> tag. Browsers will generally ignore this... not 
if they are in full XML-parser mode but we'll come to that in a minute.

So if you expected the second <script> block to be executed, you'd be 
mistaken. The processing of comments and script blocks occurs in line, 
so by outputting the '<!--' string, the first script block stops the 
second script block from being a script block at all. All you really 
need to do is end the comment; a slightly quicker way of doing so would be:

   <script type="text/javascript"><!--
     document.write('<!-\- -\- ');
   //--><script>
     ...stuff to be hidden...
   <!-- -->

Now if you're writing XHTML, you'd generally want the page also to work 
with browsers' real-XML-parsing modes, as used when the pages are served 
under the MIME type application/xhtml+xml. So you wouldn't want to wrap 
the script block in <!-- -->, because in XML this would *really* make it 
a comment, and hence no script would execute.

However... typically in real-XML-parsing modes, document.write() does 
not work, full stop. And it doesn't work precisely to stop you doing 
stuff like this. So I'd forget trying this trick with XHTML.

-- 
Andrew Clover
mailto:and at doxdesk.com
http://www.doxdesk.com/

-- 
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mailto:and at doxdesk.com
http://www.doxdesk.com/

From jay.blanchard at niicommunications.com  Mon Mar 28 07:32:09 2005
From: jay.blanchard at niicommunications.com (Jay Blanchard)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 07:32:09 -0600
Subject: [thelist] Prevent a request from redirecting browser....
Message-ID: <C8F323573C030A448F3E5A2B6FE2070B0430C7DC@nemesis>

Good morning!

Here is the scenario. You have created an application that will be used
in-house. It is opened in a browser window where, via JavaScript, you
have eliminated all but the title bar. 

If it is the only browser window open and you click a link in an e-mail
you have received that link proceeds to load in your application window,
which is not a good thing because you might lose application data since
you have the back button disabled (as much as it can be).

Here is the question. Does anyone know of a way to prevent the site from
opening in the browser window or having the newly clicked site open in a
new browser window? I have in my mind something like a JavaScript
interception.....

Clicked link makes request to currently open browser window
JavaScript pops-up a warning that when 'OK' is clicked a new browser
window will be opened leaving the application browser window unscathed.

I have done some googleing for this, but I may not be asking the right
questions to get the result I am looking for.

TVMIA!

From alex at deltatraffic.co.uk  Mon Mar 28 08:06:50 2005
From: alex at deltatraffic.co.uk (alex)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 15:06:50 +0100
Subject: [thelist] server trusted list email verification open source software
Message-ID: <42480F7A.6080908@deltatraffic.co.uk>

hi evolt

Im looking for something i can install directly on to the server mailbox 
which will send out mails to people who have yet to make onto a trusted 
list.

 ive seen others do this so it would be great to know how to go about 
setting this up.

thunderbird's filter is all very well but i still have to d/load the 
spam in order to filter it. better to just block it, sending out a 
message asking for the sender to verify that he's real.

im using linux but i know much else about the system.

any suggestions warnly received

rgds
Alex

From evolt at goonies.info  Mon Mar 28 09:45:30 2005
From: evolt at goonies.info (Minh Lee Goon)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 09:45:30 -0600
Subject: [thelist] Site check: FF vs IE. CSS Round 1
Message-ID: <4248269A.20103@goonies.info>

Hey all,

I've been designing in Firefox, but I have to make sure everything looks 
fine in Internet Explorer as well... since most of my clients potential 
site visitors are not exactly on the cutting edge of web technology. So 
you can imagine my frustration when I can get it to look as intended in 
IE, but not in FF.

Here's the URL: http://learn.sdstate.edu/minhlee_goon/casd/

I would like the border of #Content to go around the image, instead of 
cut right through it. I could make the height higher than the block, but 
I'd like to find a more legitimate around it.

Thank you for all your help.

Minh Lee


From chilijoe at gmail.com  Mon Mar 28 10:11:23 2005
From: chilijoe at gmail.com (Joe Ngo)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 00:11:23 +0800
Subject: [thelist] Site check: FF vs IE. CSS Round 1
In-Reply-To: <4248269A.20103@goonies.info>
References: <4248269A.20103@goonies.info>
Message-ID: <6a81c23005032808117c5d0791@mail.gmail.com>

The overflow: (auto or hidden) trick applied to #Container seems to
work. Also add a padding-bottom to allow some space between the border
and the image.

Not sure how this will look like in IE, I tried in FF (far easier to
check with Web Developer toolbar).

For your reference:
http://www.sitepoint.com/blog-post-view.php?id=238086


On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 09:45:30 -0600, Minh Lee Goon <evolt at goonies.info> wrote:
> Hey all,
> 
> I've been designing in Firefox, but I have to make sure everything looks
> fine in Internet Explorer as well... since most of my clients potential
> site visitors are not exactly on the cutting edge of web technology. So
> you can imagine my frustration when I can get it to look as intended in
> IE, but not in FF.
> 
> Here's the URL: http://learn.sdstate.edu/minhlee_goon/casd/
> 
> I would like the border of #Content to go around the image, instead of
> cut right through it. I could make the height higher than the block, but
> I'd like to find a more legitimate around it.
> 
> Thank you for all your help.
> 
> Minh Lee
> 
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From evolt at goonies.info  Mon Mar 28 10:51:48 2005
From: evolt at goonies.info (Minh Lee Goon)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 10:51:48 -0600
Subject: [thelist] Site check: FF vs IE. CSS Round 1
In-Reply-To: <6a81c23005032808117c5d0791@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4248269A.20103@goonies.info>
	<6a81c23005032808117c5d0791@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <42483624.5070200@goonies.info>

That worked great! Thanks.

Is there another way of doing it? I'm just looking for alternatives. 
Thanks again.

Minh Lee

Joe Ngo wrote:
> The overflow: (auto or hidden) trick applied to #Container seems to
> work. Also add a padding-bottom to allow some space between the border
> and the image.


From mwarden at gmail.com  Mon Mar 28 11:17:41 2005
From: mwarden at gmail.com (Matt Warden)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 12:17:41 -0500
Subject: Java String Identity (was Re: [thelist] PHP question... checking
	string length)
In-Reply-To: <4247E1F8.4060308@doxdesk.com>
References: <ba35457505032509305003cf89@mail.gmail.com>
	 <42462C0F.4000307@doxdesk.com>
	 <bbc8fa430503262050606bdf17@mail.gmail.com>
	 <4247E1F8.4060308@doxdesk.com>
Message-ID: <bbc8fa4305032809173716c8f9@mail.gmail.com>

Andrew,

On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 19:52:40 +0900, Andrew Clover <and-evolt at doxdesk.com> wrote:
> (It is indeed unusual for an immutable value type one can write as a
> literal to have identity, which is why Java Strings trip people up.)

I wasn't sure what you were referring to when you mentioned identity,
so I googled it and found this:

http://www.witscale.com/scjp_studynotes/code_examples/chapter3/string_equality.html

This is actually something I did not know. I just wanted to clarify
that one of my examples in my previous post is technically not correct
(although it is only due to me trying to simplify the example, as I
don't know why anyone would ever create two variables with the same
literal string, unless they *wanted* them *not* to reference the same
location in memory).

I gave this example:

String a = "a";
String b = "a";
Strinc c = a;

boolean thisisfalse = (a == b); // because a and b are not pointing to
same object
boolean thisistrue = a.equals(b); // because "a".equals("a")
boolean thisistrue = (a == c);  // because a and c are pointing to the
same object
boolean thisistrue = a.equals(c); // because "a".equals("a")

The first test is actually wrong, because as the article suggests,
literals that exist already in the memory pool are re-used and
variables a and b would indeed reference the same memory location. All
of the above would be return true.

But, like I said, this is a symptom of the example, as why would
anyone create two literal strings and then test to see if they are
equal? The point is that == tests references and not values of strings
in Java. So, "in the real world" when one is testing strings, one is
usually testing input of some type (file i/o, user input, etc.) to see
if it is or is not a certain value. In this case, the 'identity
gotcha' doesn't apply and the point of my original example would
apply.

Thanks for pointing this out, Andrew. If this is what you were
referring to regarding the dumb design decision, I'd have to give you
a hearty 'amen'.



-- 
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Miami University
Oxford, OH, USA
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From mwarden at gmail.com  Mon Mar 28 11:26:06 2005
From: mwarden at gmail.com (Matt Warden)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 12:26:06 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Prevent a request from redirecting browser....
In-Reply-To: <C8F323573C030A448F3E5A2B6FE2070B0430C7DC@nemesis>
References: <C8F323573C030A448F3E5A2B6FE2070B0430C7DC@nemesis>
Message-ID: <bbc8fa430503280926342a3f7b@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Jay,


On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 07:32:09 -0600, Jay Blanchard
<jay.blanchard at niicommunications.com> wrote:
> Clicked link makes request to currently open browser window
> JavaScript pops-up a warning that when 'OK' is clicked a new browser
> window will be opened leaving the application browser window unscathed.

I think you want onunload:

http://www.codetoad.com/javascript/miscellaneous/onunload_event.asp

Basically, your window.onunload would return  confirm('Really leave?');

The problem is that I don't believe you have access to information of
where the user's next page is, which might cause havoc in your
application (i.e., regardless of whether they are clicking a link YOU
provide them or if they are being redirected based on what you are
trying to prevent).


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Miami University
Oxford, OH, USA
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From evolt at goonies.info  Mon Mar 28 11:45:07 2005
From: evolt at goonies.info (Minh Lee Goon)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 11:45:07 -0600
Subject: [thelist] Site check: FF vs IE. CSS Round 2
Message-ID: <424842A3.40006@goonies.info>

I hope I won't have too many of these, but I'll keep the subject 
consistent to maintain a thread-like feel.

http://learn.sdstate.edu/minhlee_goon/casd/

This is a smaller issue. When viewing this page in IE, the first two 
lines of text are indented by a few pixels. I've tried putting the image 
in a DIV and floating it to the right, but it yields the same results.

If you tell me this is an IE issue and there's nothing that can be done 
about it, I would have no problems relating that to my client. However, 
I would like to try to fix it if possible, and without using tables if 
possible.


Thanks again.

Minh Lee


From sub at doolang.com  Mon Mar 28 11:52:16 2005
From: sub at doolang.com (Darin Lang)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 09:52:16 -0800
Subject: [thelist] Double drop down lists
Message-ID: <da7fb5280730a079db15bde3051a2381@doolang.com>

I want to have 3 simple lists
Countries - US, Canada
States - [50 states]
Provinces - [10 Provinces]

accessed through two dynamic drop down menus, so that if you choose a 
province from the combined list of provinces and states, it switches 
the country drop down to "Canada"
Or if you select "Canada" the states/provinces drop down only lists 
provinces. etc.

I am sure someone has already figured this out, but i can't find it.

Darin Lang


From robin.hastings at gmail.com  Mon Mar 28 12:37:24 2005
From: robin.hastings at gmail.com (Robin Hastings)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 12:37:24 -0600
Subject: [thelist] Extra character in IE
Message-ID: <d68dafe005032810376a07388e@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all - I'm hoping that you can help me find a character in an
HTML file that I'm completely missing. The site is an internal one and
not accessible to the outside, but I've copied it to a subdomain for
you all to look at. The problem is that in this page (which is a
wireframe-like example I'm going to send to my boss which will show
where I see our blog fitting into a new design for the MRRL site)
there is an extra character that shows up in IE 6.0. Looks fine in
Firefox, but my boss will be viewing it in IE, so I'd like to get rid
of it before I turn it in. An extra set of eyes looking at it would be
incredibly helpful, if anyone has the time. The temporary location of
the files is at:
http://mrrl.intertecdesigns.com/index.html for the HTML and 
http://mrrl.intertecdesigns.com/includes/style.css for the CSS

I've validated both the HTML and CSS and they pass with flying colors
- I'm stumped! Thanks in advance for any help you all can give!!
-- 
Robin Hastings
robin.hastings at gmail.com

From Lonnie.Hull at usfood.com  Mon Mar 28 12:44:13 2005
From: Lonnie.Hull at usfood.com (Lonnie Hull)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 13:44:13 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Site check: FF vs IE. CSS Round 2
In-Reply-To: <424842A3.40006@goonies.info>
Message-ID: <OF2C257BB2.0F9EE8D7-ON05256FD2.0066C5D4-05256FD2.0067087F@usfood.com>





Add a <p> before Chiropractic Associates,

Seems to work in I.E. 6.0 Windows XP

Lonnie Hull
LAN Admin / Webmaster
Next Day Gourmet, Indianapolis
317 248-9855 X 2061


                                                                                                                                          
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I hope I won't have too many of these, but I'll keep the subject
consistent to maintain a thread-like feel.

http://learn.sdstate.edu/minhlee_goon/casd/

This is a smaller issue. When viewing this page in IE, the first two
lines of text are indented by a few pixels. I've tried putting the image
in a DIV and floating it to the right, but it yields the same results.

If you tell me this is an IE issue and there's nothing that can be done
about it, I would have no problems relating that to my client. However,
I would like to try to fix it if possible, and without using tables if
possible.


Thanks again.

Minh Lee

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From ipletikosic at gmail.com  Mon Mar 28 13:04:05 2005
From: ipletikosic at gmail.com (Ivo P)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 11:04:05 -0800
Subject: [thelist] Extra character in IE
In-Reply-To: <d68dafe005032810376a07388e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d68dafe005032810376a07388e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fd06eba50503281104532875ae@mail.gmail.com>

Can't say what the problem is but once I reformated the HTML for
readability the n went away.

I narrowed it down to this reformated snippet:

<!-- end servicebox div -->
<DIV class=librarybox>
	<P>
		<A title="Library information including hours, contact forms,
donation information and more."
href="http://mrrl.intertecdesigns.com/info/">Library Information</A>
	</P>
</DIV>
<!-- end librarybox div -->


On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 12:37:24 -0600, Robin Hastings
<robin.hastings at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello all - I'm hoping that you can help me find a character in an
> HTML file that I'm completely missing. The site is an internal one and
> not accessible to the outside, but I've copied it to a subdomain for
> you all to look at. The problem is that in this page (which is a
> wireframe-like example I'm going to send to my boss which will show
> where I see our blog fitting into a new design for the MRRL site)
> there is an extra character that shows up in IE 6.0. Looks fine in
> Firefox, but my boss will be viewing it in IE, so I'd like to get rid
> of it before I turn it in. An extra set of eyes looking at it would be
> incredibly helpful, if anyone has the time. The temporary location of
> the files is at:
> http://mrrl.intertecdesigns.com/index.html for the HTML and
> http://mrrl.intertecdesigns.com/includes/style.css for the CSS
> 
> I've validated both the HTML and CSS and they pass with flying colors
> - I'm stumped! Thanks in advance for any help you all can give!!
> --
> Robin Hastings
> robin.hastings at gmail.com
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From Lonnie.Hull at usfood.com  Mon Mar 28 13:13:31 2005
From: Lonnie.Hull at usfood.com (Lonnie Hull)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 14:13:31 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Extra character in IE
In-Reply-To: <d68dafe005032810376a07388e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <OF6A75AC77.51C68512-ON05256FD2.00694F10-05256FD2.0069B718@usfood.com>





Close your <div id="top"> before <catalogbox>. Then you'll have to work on
centering the catalog box, but it gets rid of the extra character. (Which
if you hadn't figured out is the last letter typed in the librarybox div)

Good Luck

Lonnie Hull
LAN Admin / Webmaster
Next Day Gourmet, Indianapolis
317 248-9855 X 2061


                                                                                                                                          
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Hello all - I'm hoping that you can help me find a character in an
HTML file that I'm completely missing. The site is an internal one and
not accessible to the outside, but I've copied it to a subdomain for
you all to look at. The problem is that in this page (which is a
wireframe-like example I'm going to send to my boss which will show
where I see our blog fitting into a new design for the MRRL site)
there is an extra character that shows up in IE 6.0. Looks fine in
Firefox, but my boss will be viewing it in IE, so I'd like to get rid
of it before I turn it in. An extra set of eyes looking at it would be
incredibly helpful, if anyone has the time. The temporary location of
the files is at:
http://mrrl.intertecdesigns.com/index.html for the HTML and
http://mrrl.intertecdesigns.com/includes/style.css for the CSS

I've validated both the HTML and CSS and they pass with flying colors
- I'm stumped! Thanks in advance for any help you all can give!!
--
Robin Hastings
robin.hastings at gmail.com
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From fffrancis at fstorr.demon.co.uk  Mon Mar 28 13:14:53 2005
From: fffrancis at fstorr.demon.co.uk (fstorr)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 20:14:53 +0100
Subject: [thelist] Extra character in IE
In-Reply-To: <d68dafe005032810376a07388e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d68dafe005032810376a07388e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5d657707956e4f7bf55f3b43a5d22894@fstorr.demon.co.uk>

On 28 Mar 2005, at 19:37, Robin Hastings wrote:
>  I see our blog fitting into a new design for the MRRL site)
> there is an extra character that shows up in IE 6.0. Looks fine in
> Firefox, but my boss will be viewing it in IE, so I'd like to get rid
> of it before I turn it in.

Hi

I'm on a Mac, so can't test it on the PC, but have come across 
something that sounds similar before and, as you've commented your HTML 
a lot, I'm guessing that this might be your problem+solution: 
http://positioniseverything.net/explorer/dup-characters.html

HTH

Regards

F


From mwarden at gmail.com  Mon Mar 28 13:23:40 2005
From: mwarden at gmail.com (Matt Warden)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 14:23:40 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Double drop down lists
In-Reply-To: <da7fb5280730a079db15bde3051a2381@doolang.com>
References: <da7fb5280730a079db15bde3051a2381@doolang.com>
Message-ID: <bbc8fa43050328112379eec657@mail.gmail.com>

Darin,

On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 09:52:16 -0800, Darin Lang <sub at doolang.com> wrote:
> I want to have 3 simple lists
> Countries - US, Canada
> States - [50 states]
> Provinces - [10 Provinces]
> 
> accessed through two dynamic drop down menus, so that if you choose a
> province from the combined list of provinces and states, it switches
> the country drop down to "Canada"
> Or if you select "Canada" the states/provinces drop down only lists
> provinces. etc.
> 
> I am sure someone has already figured this out, but i can't find it.

Well, you're talking about two different things. Either you have three
lists and you want the country list to be dependent on whether someone
selects a province or a state; or, you have two lists and the second
state/province list gets populated or filtered based on what is
selected in the country list.

If the former, you would just do something like this:

document.getElementById('selProvince').onchange = function() { 
  document.getElementById('selCountry').selectedIndex = getIdxCountry('Canada');
}

document.getElementById('selState').onchange = function() { 
  document.getElementById('selCountry').selectedIndex = getIdxCountry('USA');
}

your function getIdxCountry(str) would either return hard coded
indeces or you would loop through the options collection (of counrty)
looking for option.value=str and return that index.

If you want the latter, that's a bit more complicated. Basically, you
would have arrays in javascript with the values of the two possible
option lists, and you would remove all the options (backwards, if you
want to avoid an IE bug) and then add all the new options based on the
correct array (either of states or of provinces). If this is what you
want and you need more help, let us know.


-- 
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Miami University
Oxford, OH, USA
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From rob.smith at THERMON.com  Mon Mar 28 13:30:52 2005
From: rob.smith at THERMON.com (Rob Smith)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 13:30:52 -0600
Subject: [thelist] Double drop down lists
Message-ID: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC92703E7D2B3@smtmb.tmc.local>

We implemented something very similar to your request:
http://www.thermon.com/locator/locator.asp

Step 1: Static iframe | Us/Latin America
Step 2: Dynamic iframe | States - [50 states]
Step 3: Dynamic iframe | Counties - [X counties]

I found the following examples in JavaScript:
http://www.trans4mind.com/personal_development/JavaScript/tripleMenu.htm
http://www.alistapart.com/articles/dynanav/

We chose to go with ASP to populate step 3 as there are literally thousands
of counties in the US of A. We didn't have the heart to tax our client
browsers with that huge list. The page probably would have weighed in at a
meg.

If you need technical assistance with the dynamic aspect of this, contact me
off list. I'm sure that you can get away with a client side solution with
your design specifications. 

Dynamic = faster,

rob

-----Original Message-----
From: Darin Lang [mailto:sub at doolang.com]
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 11:52 AM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: [thelist] Double drop down lists


I want to have 3 simple lists
Countries - US, Canada
States - [50 states]
Provinces - [10 Provinces]

accessed through two dynamic drop down menus, so that if you choose a 
province from the combined list of provinces and states, it switches 
the country drop down to "Canada"
Or if you select "Canada" the states/provinces drop down only lists 
provinces. etc.

I am sure someone has already figured this out, but i can't find it.

Darin Lang

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From robin.hastings at gmail.com  Mon Mar 28 14:09:47 2005
From: robin.hastings at gmail.com (Robin Hastings)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 14:09:47 -0600
Subject: [thelist] Extra character in IE
In-Reply-To: <5d657707956e4f7bf55f3b43a5d22894@fstorr.demon.co.uk>
References: <d68dafe005032810376a07388e@mail.gmail.com>
	 <5d657707956e4f7bf55f3b43a5d22894@fstorr.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <d68dafe005032812092732e298@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 20:14:53 +0100, fstorr <fffrancis at fstorr.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi
> 
> I'm on a Mac, so can't test it on the PC, but have come across
> something that sounds similar before and, as you've commented your HTML
> a lot, I'm guessing that this might be your problem+solution:
> http://positioniseverything.net/explorer/dup-characters.html
> 
> HTH
> 
> Regards
> 
> F

Thanks for the link to that site - I hadn't run across that one
before! I really didn't want to try to deal with -3px margins, so I
tried reformatting the source code, as was suggested by Ivo and that
made it go away (on the internal version  - I may play around with the
external version that I posted to see what else would work). Thanks
guys, for the help!!

-- 
Robin Hastings
robin.hastings at gmail.com

From Mark.Joslyn at SolimarSystems.com  Mon Mar 28 16:35:54 2005
From: Mark.Joslyn at SolimarSystems.com (Mark Joslyn)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 14:35:54 -0800
Subject: [thelist] XML PHP Special Characters
Message-ID: <00ce01c533e6$80ccb080$870aa8c0@Corp.Solimarsystems.com>

I am parsing an XML document with PHP:


From Mark.Joslyn at SolimarSystems.com  Mon Mar 28 16:40:20 2005
From: Mark.Joslyn at SolimarSystems.com (Mark Joslyn)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 14:40:20 -0800
Subject: [thelist] FW: XML PHP Special Characters
Message-ID: <00cf01c533e7$1f957e40$870aa8c0@Corp.Solimarsystems.com>

List,

I am parsing an XML document with PHP:

// Create an XML parser 
$xml_parser = xml_parser_create(); 

// Set the functions to handle opening and closing tags 
xml_set_element_handler($xml_parser, "startElement", "endElement"); 

etc..

I have a special character inside the XML document (trademark symbol ?) that
is being parsed and what is returned is a question mark.

The XML document is encoded as:

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="iso-8859-1"?>

The special character I am using is coded as: 

&#x2122; but I have used &#8482;

The php page is encoded:

<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" />

Is there a way I can have this special character go through the parsing
process but still return a valid trademark symbol?

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,

markJ


From mattias at inreach.com  Mon Mar 28 18:19:20 2005
From: mattias at inreach.com (Mattias Thorslund)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 16:19:20 -0800
Subject: [thelist] FW: XML PHP Special Characters
In-Reply-To: <00cf01c533e7$1f957e40$870aa8c0@Corp.Solimarsystems.com>
References: <00cf01c533e7$1f957e40$870aa8c0@Corp.Solimarsystems.com>
Message-ID: <42489F08.8060005@inreach.com>

Try using a CDATA section in the XML document for the troublesome text:

<myelement><![CDATA[ xy&z all kinds of ch at racters here ]]></myelement>

hth,
/Mattias


Mark Joslyn wrote:

>List,
>
>I am parsing an XML document with PHP:
>
>// Create an XML parser 
>$xml_parser = xml_parser_create(); 
>
>// Set the functions to handle opening and closing tags 
>xml_set_element_handler($xml_parser, "startElement", "endElement"); 
>
>etc..
>
>I have a special character inside the XML document (trademark symbol ?) that
>is being parsed and what is returned is a question mark.
>
>The XML document is encoded as:
>
><?xml version="1.0" encoding="iso-8859-1"?>
>
>The special character I am using is coded as: 
>
>&#x2122; but I have used &#8482;
>
>The php page is encoded:
>
><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" />
>
>Is there a way I can have this special character go through the parsing
>process but still return a valid trademark symbol?
>
>Any help would be appreciated.
>
>Thanks,
>
>markJ
>
>  
>


From markgroen at gmail.com  Mon Mar 28 22:58:57 2005
From: markgroen at gmail.com (Mark Groen)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 20:58:57 -0800
Subject: [thelist] IE + FF oddity
References: <00cf01c533e7$1f957e40$870aa8c0@Corp.Solimarsystems.com>
	<42489F08.8060005@inreach.com>
Message-ID: <007001c5341c$0540f940$6500a8c0@vn.shawcable.net>

Have a 3 pixel oddity that shows up in IE but not Firefox on this
site that's almost complete and haven't been able to figure out what
is causing it:

http://www.gospel903.com

The space is horizontal, not vertical and spans the whole page.

tia!

       Mark


From tutumlum at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 29 01:48:51 2005
From: tutumlum at yahoo.com (Murat Tutumlu)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 23:48:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [thelist] php problem: how to sort averages?
Message-ID: <20050329074851.22387.qmail@web30506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi everybody,

I have a table with "Student_no, lesson, class, V1,
V2, F1, V3, V4, F2" columns.
"V1, V2, F1, V3, V4, F2" are numbers over 100. I
printed averages of classes and it is sorting by class
name as shown in code below.
My problem is sorting by averages. I tried, but I
couldn't.. 
Any suggestion?
Thanks in advance..

<?
include "config.php";
$result = mysql_query("SELECT * FROM Studentmarks1
group by Class ",$db);
$myrow = mysql_fetch_array($result);
?>

<form action="" method="post" name="form1"
target="_self">
  <select name="exam">
    <option value="">Choose an exam</option>
    <option value="V1">Visa 1</option>
    <option value="V2">Visa 2</option>
    <option value="F1">Final 1</option>
    <option value="V3">Visa 3</option>
    <option value="V4">Visa 4</option>
    <option value="F2">Final 2</option>
  </select>
<input type="submit" name="Submit" value="Show">
</form>

<?
do { 
 
$sql = mysql_query("SELECT AVG($exam) FROM
studentmarks1 WHERE class='$myrow[Class]'",$db); 
$aver = mysql_fetch_array($sql); 
$aver[0] = number_format ($aver[0], 2);

echo
"<tr><td>$myrow[Class]</td><td>$aver[0]</td></tr>";
 } 
while ($myrow = mysql_fetch_array($result));
?>


		
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From mwarden at gmail.com  Tue Mar 29 01:54:05 2005
From: mwarden at gmail.com (Matt Warden)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 02:54:05 -0500
Subject: [thelist] IE + FF oddity
In-Reply-To: <007001c5341c$0540f940$6500a8c0@vn.shawcable.net>
References: <00cf01c533e7$1f957e40$870aa8c0@Corp.Solimarsystems.com>
	 <42489F08.8060005@inreach.com>
	 <007001c5341c$0540f940$6500a8c0@vn.shawcable.net>
Message-ID: <bbc8fa4305032823545ef3ef81@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 20:58:57 -0800, Mark Groen <markgroen at gmail.com> wrote:
> Have a 3 pixel oddity that shows up in IE but not Firefox on this
> site that's almost complete and haven't been able to figure out what
> is causing it:
> 
> http://www.gospel903.com
> 
> The space is horizontal, not vertical and spans the whole page.

Does this help?

http://www.positioniseverything.net/explorer/threepxtest.html

Don't know if it applies here, but me sending out this link is
somewhat reflexive when I hear "3 pixels" and "IE" in the same
sentence.


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Miami University
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From markgroen at gmail.com  Tue Mar 29 01:56:02 2005
From: markgroen at gmail.com (Mark Groen)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 23:56:02 -0800
Subject: [thelist] Re: IE + FF oddity
Message-ID: <003601c53434$c1a09ec0$6500a8c0@vn.shawcable.net>

> Have a 3 pixel oddity that shows up in IE but not Firefox on this
> http://www.gospel903.com
> The space is horizontal, not vertical and spans the whole page.

Thanks to Michele over at www.wizardev.ca off list for reminding me
about whitespace, it's fixed...

...and I'm not the only one still seeing about a 1px vertical line to
the left of the menu inside the outside border either that is still
needing a tweak...

cheers,

       Mark


From michele at wizardev.ca  Tue Mar 29 02:39:54 2005
From: michele at wizardev.ca (Michele Foster (WizarDev))
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 03:39:54 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Re: IE + FF oddity
References: <003601c53434$c1a09ec0$6500a8c0@vn.shawcable.net>
Message-ID: <095001c5343a$e27a4aa0$a989fea9@mef>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Groen" <markgroen at gmail.com>


> ...and I'm not the only one still seeing about a 1px vertical line to
> the left of the menu inside the outside border either that is still
> needing a tweak...
>

Ok, I got it ... what a nuisance.  Looks like it has to do with the two
browsers not interpreting how to split up 1px.

For FF, use a body width of 750px  and
#logobox
 {margin-left:1px;}

For IE6, use body width of 751px and don't show it #logobox

You have bigger problems in IE5.5, that I don't have time to debug.  If you
need it to work in IE5.5, take a look at a better cantering approach.  I can
send you something offlist if you want. :)
http://www.thenoodleincident.com/tutorials/box_lesson/basic_centered.html

HTH,
Michele


From thelist at meidomus.com  Tue Mar 29 02:57:28 2005
From: thelist at meidomus.com (Burhan Khalid)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 11:57:28 +0300
Subject: [thelist] php problem: how to sort averages?
In-Reply-To: <20050329074851.22387.qmail@web30506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20050329074851.22387.qmail@web30506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <42491878.7040106@meidomus.com>

Murat Tutumlu wrote:
> Hi everybody,
> 
> I have a table with "Student_no, lesson, class, V1,
> V2, F1, V3, V4, F2" columns.
> "V1, V2, F1, V3, V4, F2" are numbers over 100. I
> printed averages of classes and it is sorting by class
> name as shown in code below.
> My problem is sorting by averages. I tried, but I
> couldn't.. 
> Any suggestion?
> Thanks in advance..
> 
> <?
> include "config.php";
> $result = mysql_query("SELECT * FROM Studentmarks1
> group by Class ",$db);
> $myrow = mysql_fetch_array($result);
> ?>
> 
> <form action="" method="post" name="form1"
> target="_self">
>   <select name="exam">
>     <option value="">Choose an exam</option>
>     <option value="V1">Visa 1</option>
>     <option value="V2">Visa 2</option>
>     <option value="F1">Final 1</option>
>     <option value="V3">Visa 3</option>
>     <option value="V4">Visa 4</option>
>     <option value="F2">Final 2</option>
>   </select>
> <input type="submit" name="Submit" value="Show">
> </form>
> 
> <?
> do { 
>  
> $sql = mysql_query("SELECT AVG($exam) FROM
> studentmarks1 WHERE class='$myrow[Class]'",$db); 

Change your query thusly:

"SELECT AVG($exam) as exam-avg FROM studentmarks1 WHERE 
class='$myrow[Class]' ORDER BY exam-avg"

Then fetch the average via $row[0], or if you use mysql_fetch_assoc(), 
$row['exam-avg']

From ruimbmadeira at yahoo.com.br  Tue Mar 29 03:20:23 2005
From: ruimbmadeira at yahoo.com.br (Rui Madeira)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 06:20:23 -0300 (ART)
Subject: [thelist] Help on Preload Bar
Message-ID: <20050329092023.70294.qmail@web20704.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello everyone
 
I need some help to find a scrip of a preload bar. The preload bar will serve to preload a .mwf file. It?s a file from the MapGuide software.
 
I?ve already have a script but it doesn?t seem to work with files that are not image files... What must i do in the script so that it may be possible to load other files than images files?
 
 
Thank you in advaced
 
Rui Madeira
 
<html>
<head>
<script language=3D"JavaScript1.2">
<!-- begin hiding
// (C) 2000 Marcin P Wojtowicz [one_spook at hotmail.com]. All rights =
reserved.
// Obtain permission before selling/redistributing in any medium.
startingColor =3D new Array() // <-- Do not modify!
endingColor =3D new Array() // <-- Do not modify!
// YOU MAY MODIFY THE FOLLOWING:
var yourImages =3D new =
Array("http://images.amazon.com/images/P/1565924940.01.TZZZZZZZ.jpg","htt=
p://images.amazon.com/images/P/0201353415.01.TZZZZZZZ.jpg","http://images=
.amazon.com/images/P/1556225865.01.TZZZZZZZ.jpg","http://images.amazon.co=
m/images/P/1893115054.01.TZZZZZZZ.jpg","http://images.amazon.com/images/P=
/1861001746.01.TZZZZZZZ.jpg") // Fill this array with the images you =
wish to preload
var locationAfterPreload =3D =
"http://www.javascriptkit.com/script/script2/preloadimage2.shtml" // The =
script will redirect here when the preloading finishes *successfully*
var preloadbarWidth =3D 250 // The length of the preload bar. Should be =
greater than total amount of images you want to preload!
var preloadbarHeight =3D 15 // The height of the gradient/preload bar
var backgroundOfGradient =3D "#000000" // Default color while the =
preload bar is "filling up"
// Color the preloadbar is starting with - enter 1st, 3rd and 5th =
numbers/letters of color code
startingColor[0] =3D "c"=20
startingColor[1] =3D "f"
startingColor[2] =3D "f"
// Color the preloadbar is going to end up with - enter the 1st, 3rd and =
5th numbers/letters of color code
endingColor[0] =3D "c"
endingColor[1] =3D "0"
endingColor[2] =3D "0"
// FOR TROUBLESHOOTING:
var gap =3D 5 // PLAY AROUND WITH THIS SETTING IF YOU GET A JAVASCRIPT =
ERROR!!! 2 is the minumum value!!!

// DO NOT MODIFY ANYTHING BEYOND THIS POINT!!!
if (!document.all) location.replace(locationAfterPreload)
var a =3D 10, b =3D 11, c =3D 12, d =3D 13, e =3D 14, f=3D15, i, j, ones =
=3D new Array(), sixteens =3D new Array(), diff =3D new Array();
var convert =3D new =
Array("0","1","2","3","4","5","6","7","8","9","a","b","c","d","e","f"), =
imgLen =3D yourImages.length;
var loaded =3D new Array(), preImages =3D new Array(), currCount =3D 0, =
pending =3D 0, h =3D 0, hilite =3D new Array(), cover =3D new Array();
var num =3D Math.floor(preloadbarWidth/gap);
for (i =3D 0; i < 3; i++) {
 startingColor[i] =3D startingColor[i].toLowerCase();
 endingColor[i] =3D endingColor[i].toLowerCase();
 startingColor[i] =3D eval(startingColor[i]);
 endingColor[i] =3D eval(endingColor[i]);
 diff[i] =3D (endingColor[i]-startingColor[i])/num;
 ones[i] =3D Math.floor(diff[i]);
 sixteens[i] =3D Math.round((diff[i] - ones[i])*15);
}
endingColor[0] =3D 0;
endingColor[1] =3D 0;
endingColor[2] =3D 0;
i =3D 0, j =3D 0;
while (i <=3D num) {
 hilite[i] =3D "#";
 while (j < 3) {
  hilite[i] +=3D convert[startingColor[j]];
  hilite[i] +=3D convert[endingColor[j]];
  startingColor[j] +=3D ones[j];
  endingColor[j] +=3D sixteens[j];
  if (endingColor[j] > 15) {
   endingColor[j] -=3D 15;
   startingColor[j]++;
  }
  j++;
 }
 j =3D 0;
 i++;
}
function loadImages() {
 for (i =3D 0; i < imgLen; i++) {
  preImages[i] =3D new Image();
  preImages[i].src =3D yourImages[i];
  loaded[i] =3D 0;
  cover[i] =3D Math.floor(num/imgLen)*(i+1)
 }
 cover[cover.length-1] +=3D num%imgLen
 checkLoad();
}
function checkLoad() {
 if (pending) { changeto(); return }
 if (currCount =3D=3D imgLen) { location.replace(locationAfterPreload); =
return }
 for (i =3D 0; i < imgLen; i++) {
  if (!loaded[i] && preImages[i].complete) {
   loaded[i] =3D 1; pending++; currCount++;
   checkLoad();
   return;
  }
 }
 setTimeout("checkLoad()",10);
}
function changeto() {
 if (h+1 > cover[currCount-1]) {
  var percent =3D Math.round(100/imgLen)*currCount;
  if (percent > 100) while (percent !=3D 100) percent--;
  if (currCount =3D=3D imgLen && percent < 100) percent =3D 100;
  defaultStatus =3D "Loaded " + currCount + " out of " + imgLen + " =
images [" + percent + "%].";
  pending--;
  checkLoad();
  return;
 }
 eval("document.all.cell" + (h+1) + ".style.backgroundColor =3D =
hilite[h]");;
 h++;
 setTimeout("changeto()",1);
}
defaultStatus =3D "Loaded 0 out of " + imgLen + " images [0%]."
// end hiding -->
</script>
</head>
<body>
<center>
<font face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=3D"2"><center>Preloading =
Images... Please Wait..</center>
<script language=3D"JavaScript1.2">
<!-- beging hiding
document.write('<table border=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" cellspacing=3D"0" =
width=3D"' + preloadbarWidth + '"><tr height=3D"' + preloadbarHeight + =
'" bgcolor=3D"' + backgroundOfGradient + '">');
for (i =3D 0; i < num; i++) {
 document.write('<td width=3D"' + gap + '" id=3D"cell' + (i+1) + =
'"></td>');
}
document.write('</tr></table>');
document.write('<p><small><a =
href=3D"javascript:location.replace(locationAfterPreload)">Skip =
Preloading</a> &nbsp;| &nbsp;<a =
href=3D"Scri'>http://javascriptkit.com/script/script2/preloadimage2.shtml">Scri=
pt Credits</a></small></p></font>')
loadImages();
// end hiding -->
</script>
</font></center>
</body>
</html>

		
---------------------------------
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From j.m.stach at canterbury.ac.uk  Tue Mar 29 05:45:44 2005
From: j.m.stach at canterbury.ac.uk (Justin Stach)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 12:45:44 +0100
Subject: [thelist] Safari and nested lists
In-Reply-To: <bfaa073249057449c944a53a3db68c59@canterbury.ac.uk>
References: 	<009901c52f74$1ec7f5a0$0500a8c0@monkeyhouse><000c01c52f89$f4192200$0501a8c0@cartesiapvek83>
	<fffd10db47de5f77d1fa4f4e109e600a@canterbury.ac.uk>
	<55357.80.85.75.20.1111657354.squirrel@webmail01.nwu.net>
	<f06a6a191cd62058fb268a2fffb356cb@creed.co.uk>
	<bfaa073249057449c944a53a3db68c59@canterbury.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <94ed111b091eca88fab14234ad831156@canterbury.ac.uk>

http://websystems.canterbury.ac.uk/testing/layout_ol2.html

Why why why why is there an infuriating extra space above each nested 
<dl> in Safari? Seems fine in IE(PC - it's far from fine on the Mac), 
Opera and FF. I know that if I stick a non-breaking space after the 
<dl> it fixes it, but funks it up for all other browsers.

Anybody? Anybody?

Thanks in advance.

J


From info at internetvraagbaak.nl  Tue Mar 29 06:28:20 2005
From: info at internetvraagbaak.nl (Jeroen Wijers)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 14:28:20 +0200
Subject: [thelist] detecting a loop in asp
References: 	<009901c52f74$1ec7f5a0$0500a8c0@monkeyhouse><000c01c52f89$f4192200$0501a8c0@cartesiapvek83><fffd10db47de5f77d1fa4f4e109e600a@canterbury.ac.uk><55357.80.85.75.20.1111657354.squirrel@webmail01.nwu.net><f06a6a191cd62058fb268a2fffb356cb@creed.co.uk><bfaa073249057449c944a53a3db68c59@canterbury.ac.uk>
	<94ed111b091eca88fab14234ad831156@canterbury.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <002201c5345a$caffcd30$0501a8c0@cartesiapvek83>

Does some one know of a way to check on loops that go infinite in asp?
Problem is  on the server the site starts to eat all available memory and 
then gets locked
for that same reason.... somewhere i musst have made a mistake but  even 
after a file compare with
an much older but working example i cannot see it, the server itself does 
not give any clue to this :(

Is there some routine to do this? or program?

Thanks!

Jeroen 


From and-evolt at doxdesk.com  Tue Mar 29 06:31:37 2005
From: and-evolt at doxdesk.com (Andrew Clover)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 21:31:37 +0900
Subject: [thelist] FW: XML PHP Special Characters
In-Reply-To: <00cf01c533e7$1f957e40$870aa8c0@Corp.Solimarsystems.com>
References: <00cf01c533e7$1f957e40$870aa8c0@Corp.Solimarsystems.com>
Message-ID: <42494AA9.1060305@doxdesk.com>

Mark Joslyn <Mark.Joslyn at SolimarSystems.com> wrote:

> I have a special character inside the XML document (trademark symbol ?) that
> is being parsed and what is returned is a question mark.

Disclaimer: I don't really do PHP and don't know what I'm talking about. 
But seem to be replying to PHP questions anyway of late. Ho hum.

> Is there a way I can have this special character go through the parsing
> process but still return a valid trademark symbol?

I believe the problem is that the XML parser has to pass back normal PHP 
byte-strings to your character data handler for all the text content. 
Character references (&#n;) must always be converted to characters by 
XML parsers (they can't be kept as separate reference objects).

The 'target encoding' it chooses to use for returning strings defaults 
to the same encoding as the document itself - in this case Latin-1. 
However, Latin-1 does not include a trademark symbol (Windows codepage 
1252 - which is based on Latin-1 - does, but actual standard ISO-8859-1 
does not), so the character data handler can't be sent the character, 
and gets a question mark instead.

To get trademarks returned unmolested, use a target encoding that 
includes that character - most likely UTF-8. Either set the target 
encoding manually:

   xml_parser_set_option($parser, XML_OPTION_TARGET_ENCODING, 'utf-8');

Or, simpler, just use UTF-8 for all your documents.

PHP's lack of a native Unicode string type is a real hassle for XML 
processing tasks. Dealing with XML as byte strings the Wrong Thing and 
rather sad really.

-- 
Andrew Clover
mailto:and at doxdesk.com
http://www.doxdesk.com/

From thelist at meidomus.com  Tue Mar 29 06:47:47 2005
From: thelist at meidomus.com (Burhan Khalid)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 15:47:47 +0300
Subject: [thelist] Prevent a request from redirecting browser....
In-Reply-To: <C8F323573C030A448F3E5A2B6FE2070B0430C7DC@nemesis>
References: <C8F323573C030A448F3E5A2B6FE2070B0430C7DC@nemesis>
Message-ID: <42494E73.7070504@meidomus.com>

Jay Blanchard wrote:
> Good morning!
> 
> Here is the scenario. You have created an application that will be used
> in-house. It is opened in a browser window where, via JavaScript, you
> have eliminated all but the title bar. 
> 
> If it is the only browser window open and you click a link in an e-mail
> you have received that link proceeds to load in your application window,
> which is not a good thing because you might lose application data since
> you have the back button disabled (as much as it can be).
> 
> Here is the question. Does anyone know of a way to prevent the site from
> opening in the browser window or having the newly clicked site open in a
> new browser window? I have in my mind something like a JavaScript
> interception.....

Good afternoon Jay:

   I think what you are looking for are those annoying "leave a site 
popup" type script -- so it can detect if you have gone away from the 
main site or not.

   Other than this, or some physical plugin, etc. on the browser, I 
can't think of anything else.

Good luck.

From Ken at adOpenStatic.com  Tue Mar 29 06:58:42 2005
From: Ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 22:58:42 +1000
Subject: [thelist] detecting a loop in asp
Message-ID: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E690EF385@kjserver1.kjhome.local>


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-
: bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Jeroen Wijers
: Subject: [thelist] detecting a loop in asp
: 
: Does some one know of a way to check on loops that 
: go infinite in asp? Problem is on the server the site 
: starts to eat all available memory and then gets locked
: for that same reason.... somewhere i musst have 
: made a mistake but even after a file compare with
: an much older but working example i cannot see it, 
: the server itself does not give any clue to this :(
: 
: Is there some routine to do this? or program?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Three methods off the top of my head:

1) Look in your IIS logs. Script timeouts should result in a 500 HTTP status
code

2) Use a custom 500-100 error handler

3) The 10,000 lb bomb for diagnosing issues with IIS is IISState:
http://www.iisfaq.com/Default.aspx?tabid=2513

Cheers
Ken

--
www.adOpenStatic.com/cs/blogs/ken/ 

From lists at onlinetools.org  Tue Mar 29 07:12:37 2005
From: lists at onlinetools.org (Chris Heilmann)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 15:12:37 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [thelist] Prevent a request from redirecting browser....
In-Reply-To: <42494E73.7070504@meidomus.com>
References: <C8F323573C030A448F3E5A2B6FE2070B0430C7DC@nemesis>
    <42494E73.7070504@meidomus.com>
Message-ID: <57821.80.85.75.20.1112101957.squirrel@webmail01.nwu.net>


> Jay Blanchard wrote:
>> Good morning!
>>
>> Here is the scenario. You have created an application that will be used
>> in-house. It is opened in a browser window where, via JavaScript, you
>> have eliminated all but the title bar.
>>
>> If it is the only browser window open and you click a link in an e-mail
>> you have received that link proceeds to load in your application window,
>> which is not a good thing because you might lose application data since
>> you have the back button disabled (as much as it can be).
>>
>> Here is the question. Does anyone know of a way to prevent the site from
>> opening in the browser window or having the newly clicked site open in a
>> new browser window? I have in my mind something like a JavaScript
>> interception.....
>
> Good afternoon Jay:
>
>    I think what you are looking for are those annoying "leave a site
> popup" type script -- so it can detect if you have gone away from the
> main site or not.
>
>    Other than this, or some physical plugin, etc. on the browser, I
> can't think of anything else.

I think even that will not work. The other option would be to check if the
email client has a "force new window" option.

Another idea would be to bundle the application with another browser than
the standard Internet one. I've seen companies do that with Opera.
Basically  you write a batch script that opens the application in the
browser and make an icon for that on every user's desktop. Clicking a link
in an email would then open the other browser.


-- 
Chris Heilmann
Blog: http://www.wait-till-i.com
Writing: http://icant.co.uk/
Binaries: http://www.onlinetools.org/


From markgroen at gmail.com  Tue Mar 29 08:09:16 2005
From: markgroen at gmail.com (Mark Groen)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 06:09:16 -0800
Subject: [thelist] Re: IE + FF oddity
References: <003601c53434$c1a09ec0$6500a8c0@vn.shawcable.net>
	<095001c5343a$e27a4aa0$a989fea9@mef>
Message-ID: <005001c53468$e671fbc0$6500a8c0@vn.shawcable.net>

> Ok, I got it ... what a nuisance.  Looks like it has to do with the
two
> browsers not interpreting how to split up 1px.
>
> For FF, use a body width of 750px  and
> #logobox
>  {margin-left:1px;}
>
> For IE6, use body width of 751px and don't show it #logobox
>
> You have bigger problems in IE5.5, that I don't have time to debug.
If you
> ...........take a look at a better cantering approach.  I can
> send you something offlist if you want. :)
>
http://www.thenoodleincident.com/tutorials/box_lesson/basic_centered.html

thanks, I'll forward this on to the original developer!

cheers,

       Mark


From ian at zstudio.co.uk  Tue Mar 29 08:35:13 2005
From: ian at zstudio.co.uk (Ian Anderson)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 15:35:13 +0100
Subject: [thelist] Prevent a request from redirecting browser....
In-Reply-To: <42494E73.7070504@meidomus.com>
References: <C8F323573C030A448F3E5A2B6FE2070B0430C7DC@nemesis>
	<42494E73.7070504@meidomus.com>
Message-ID: <424967A1.2060506@zstudio.co.uk>

Burhan Khalid wrote:

>   I think what you are looking for are those annoying "leave a site 
> popup" type script -- so it can detect if you have gone away from the 
> main site or not. 

I tried this out, because this is useful for my application too. Result 
partially successful, but one big issue remains.

The problem with blocking the window from closing is it works but that 
you end up with nothing happening when you try to open links into a 
window from email, etc. Which is not nice.

So I tried a variation of this;

*<body onUnload="window.open(self.location, '', '');">
*
Which gives you a new window with the original site and the previous 
window shows the newly requested URL.

Which is nearly what I wanted. Unfortunately, you cannot ever close the 
application window, as every time you try, it spawns another copy of 
itself! So not quite there - made me chuckle though.

So, I gave it a close link that uses a switch to turn off the spawning. 
Here's the result

<script language="Javascript">
<!--
sw = true;
function keepopen() {
    if (sw) {
        window.open(self.location, '', '');
    }
}

//-->
</script>

<body onUnload="keepopen()">
<a href="javascript:sw=false; self.close();">close</a>
</body>

It seems to work:
1. you can open email links in 'new' windows
2. if you close the window by accident it reopens
3. if you click "close" it closes

...but...

 Big snafu: if you reload the page, it spawns a copy of itself. Over and 
over. Very, very nasty.

Can anyone suggest how to get it not to force the new window onreload 
and just reload the current window? I have tried a callback function 
using window.onreload but couldn't get it to work.

Cheers

Ian


From info at internetvraagbaak.nl  Tue Mar 29 08:50:12 2005
From: info at internetvraagbaak.nl (Jeroen Wijers)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 16:50:12 +0200
Subject: [thelist] detecting a loop in asp
References: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E690EF385@kjserver1.kjhome.local>
Message-ID: <001c01c5346e$9c74e2c0$0501a8c0@cartesiapvek83>

Thanks!


>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> : From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-
> : bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Jeroen Wijers
> : Subject: [thelist] detecting a loop in asp
> :
> : Does some one know of a way to check on loops that
> : go infinite in asp? Problem is on the server the site
> : starts to eat all available memory and then gets locked
> : for that same reason.... somewhere i musst have
> : made a mistake but even after a file compare with
> : an much older but working example i cannot see it,
> : the server itself does not give any clue to this :(
> :
> : Is there some routine to do this? or program?
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Three methods off the top of my head:
>
> 1) Look in your IIS logs. Script timeouts should result in a 500 HTTP 
> status
> code
>
> 2) Use a custom 500-100 error handler
>
> 3) The 10,000 lb bomb for diagnosing issues with IIS is IISState:
> http://www.iisfaq.com/Default.aspx?tabid=2513
>
> Cheers
> Ken
>
> --
> www.adOpenStatic.com/cs/blogs/ken/
> -- 
>
> * * Please support the community that supports you.  * *
> http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
>
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> and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org
> Workers of the Web, evolt !
> 


From ipletikosic at gmail.com  Tue Mar 29 10:45:44 2005
From: ipletikosic at gmail.com (Ivo P)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 08:45:44 -0800
Subject: [thelist] FW: XML PHP Special Characters
In-Reply-To: <00cf01c533e7$1f957e40$870aa8c0@Corp.Solimarsystems.com>
References: <00cf01c533e7$1f957e40$870aa8c0@Corp.Solimarsystems.com>
Message-ID: <fd06eba50503290845371d60cc@mail.gmail.com>

I was having these same problems with documents that had copyright
symbols, non-latin character sets & needed to convert all these to
their equivalent numeric entity. I get these in massive amounts from
various sources so I needed to automate this.

I solved the issue by running the XML files thru tidy
(http://www.w3.org/People/Raggett/tidy/) with a configuration
specifying xml input/output and to use numeric-entities. It takes
seconds for huge files and converts all special characters into their
numeric entity equivalent on the fly.


On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 14:40:20 -0800, Mark Joslyn
<Mark.Joslyn at solimarsystems.com> wrote:
> List,
> 
> I am parsing an XML document with PHP:
> 
> // Create an XML parser
> $xml_parser = xml_parser_create();
> 
> // Set the functions to handle opening and closing tags
> xml_set_element_handler($xml_parser, "startElement", "endElement");
> 
> etc..
> 
> I have a special character inside the XML document (trademark symbol ?) that
> is being parsed and what is returned is a question mark.
> 
> The XML document is encoded as:
> 
> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="iso-8859-1"?>
> 
> The special character I am using is coded as:
> 
> &#x2122; but I have used &#8482;
> 
> The php page is encoded:
> 
> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" />
> 
> Is there a way I can have this special character go through the parsing
> process but still return a valid trademark symbol?
> 
> Any help would be appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> markJ
> 
> --
> 
> * * Please support the community that supports you.  * *
> http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
> 
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From meredith at pintsize.com  Tue Mar 29 11:37:10 2005
From: meredith at pintsize.com (Meredith Tupper)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 13:37:10 -0400
Subject: [thelist] font identification?
Message-ID: <42499246.6070702@pintsize.com>

Hello font freaks,

I'm trying to identify the font used in the Titleist logo: 
http://www.titleist.com/   Actually, I know it's most likely a 
proprietary font, but I'm looking for something similar.  Any 
suggestions?

Thank you,
Meredith

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From dan.mccullough at gmail.com  Tue Mar 29 11:37:11 2005
From: dan.mccullough at gmail.com (Dan McCullough)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 12:37:11 -0500
Subject: [thelist] css question about positioning and floating
Message-ID: <faf1d2bd0503290937667a4e1b@mail.gmail.com>

I have a question about floating a box or making it so it sits down
near the bottom of a page.

.elitebox {position:absolute;left:55px;top:445px;width:200px;border:
1px solid #FFF;padding: 5px 5px 5px 5px;text-align:center;}

is what I have now and on most pages it works fine.  however there are
some pages where the text from above comes down and goes over the top
or the note is there away push that box down?

From vaspersthegrate at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 29 11:45:37 2005
From: vaspersthegrate at yahoo.com (Steven Streight)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 09:45:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [thelist] RE: Feedburner button turns text below into link
Message-ID: <20050329174537.34727.qmail@web53506.mail.yahoo.com>

Can anyone tell me why this is happening?

I put the following HTML or XML (?) into my Blogger
template:

<a
href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/blogspot/ilsE"title="Subscribe
to my feed"><img
src="http://www.feedburner.com/fb/images/pub/fb_pwrd.gif"alt=""style="border:0/></a>

sandwiched between two of these:

<p>____________________</p>

...just as a design element.

Now, when I publish the blog, the Feedburner button is
there, but the text under it, text not contained
within the Feedburner tags, is hyperlinked, is in blue
and underlined.

I think even the "Profile" which should link to my
Blogger profile, is being sucked into the Feedburner
link.

See this weird event at:

http://www.vaspersthegrate.blogspot.com

The Feedburner button is directly under the Firefox
button, on the right hand column.

You'd think the Feedburner button was missing an end
tag, but it's not.

What is the cause of this?

How can I correct it?

Steven Streight
Web Usability Analyst & Content Writer
Blogologist
Digital Media Artist
Virtual Instrument Music Composer

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From mwarden at gmail.com  Tue Mar 29 11:55:42 2005
From: mwarden at gmail.com (Matt Warden)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 12:55:42 -0500
Subject: [thelist] css question about positioning and floating
In-Reply-To: <faf1d2bd0503290937667a4e1b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <faf1d2bd0503290937667a4e1b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bbc8fa43050329095512b75805@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 12:37:11 -0500, Dan McCullough
<dan.mccullough at gmail.com> wrote:
> I have a question about floating a box or making it so it sits down
> near the bottom of a page.
> 
> .elitebox {position:absolute;left:55px;top:445px;width:200px;border:
> 1px solid #FFF;padding: 5px 5px 5px 5px;text-align:center;}
> 
> is what I have now and on most pages it works fine.  however there are
> some pages where the text from above comes down and goes over the top
> or the note is there away push that box down?

Do you have to use absolute positioning? Can we see this page in
action? I know how to solve this if you are floating the element, but
I'm not sure there's much you can do if you are using absolute
positioning (except give it a higher z-index so that the overflow text
hides behind instead of over the positioned element).

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From robin.hastings at gmail.com  Tue Mar 29 11:59:32 2005
From: robin.hastings at gmail.com (Robin Hastings)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 11:59:32 -0600
Subject: [thelist] css question about positioning and floating
In-Reply-To: <faf1d2bd0503290937667a4e1b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <faf1d2bd0503290937667a4e1b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d68dafe005032909592e2fa9ed@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 12:37:11 -0500, Dan McCullough
<dan.mccullough at gmail.com> wrote:
> I have a question about floating a box or making it so it sits down
> near the bottom of a page.
> 
> .elitebox {position:absolute;left:55px;top:445px;width:200px;border:
> 1px solid #FFF;padding: 5px 5px 5px 5px;text-align:center;}
> 
> is what I have now and on most pages it works fine.  however there are
> some pages where the text from above comes down and goes over the top
> or the note is there away push that box down?
With the box being absolutely positioned, it's being taken out of the
"flow" of the document - the rest of the elements on the page don't
know it's there and will overlap it whenever they are longer than
445px (in your case). The CSS-D wiki has some ideas on faking an
absolutely positioned footer
(http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=FooterInfo), but I don't know of
any technique that works cross-browser...

-- 
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http://www.rhastings.net

From robin.hastings at gmail.com  Tue Mar 29 12:02:44 2005
From: robin.hastings at gmail.com (Robin Hastings)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 12:02:44 -0600
Subject: [thelist] RE: Feedburner button turns text below into link
In-Reply-To: <20050329174537.34727.qmail@web53506.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050329174537.34727.qmail@web53506.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d68dafe00503291002f7995bb@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 09:45:37 -0800 (PST), Steven Streight
<vaspersthegrate at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Can anyone tell me why this is happening?

You haven't put a closing quote mark on your border attribute in your
image tag: style="border:0/> is what is right before the </a> tag in
your source code. Try typing it in as:
style="border: 0" /> (not the space between the closing quote and the
/ for non-XHTML compliant browsers. That should fix your issue!

-- 
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robin.hastings at gmail.com
http://www.rhastings.net

From Lonnie.Hull at usfood.com  Tue Mar 29 12:04:03 2005
From: Lonnie.Hull at usfood.com (Lonnie Hull)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 13:04:03 -0500
Subject: [thelist] font identification?
In-Reply-To: <42499246.6070702@pintsize.com>
Message-ID: <OF6123FB0A.63EB7690-ON05256FD3.006338B1-05256FD3.00635A59@usfood.com>





Try here

http://www.myfonts.com/WhatTheFont/

Lonnie Hull
LAN Admin / Webmaster
Next Day Gourmet, Indianapolis
317 248-9855 X 2061


                                                                                                                                          
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Hello font freaks,

I'm trying to identify the font used in the Titleist logo:
http://www.titleist.com/   Actually, I know it's most likely a
proprietary font, but I'm looking for something similar.  Any
suggestions?

Thank you,
Meredith

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From vaspersthegrate at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 29 12:11:19 2005
From: vaspersthegrate at yahoo.com (Steven Streight)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 10:11:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [thelist] RE: Feedburner button turns text below into link
Message-ID: <20050329181120.72281.qmail@web53508.mail.yahoo.com>

I think I may have already caught my error.

I forgot to enclose quotes around the border
attribute.

I pasted this:

<a
href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/blogspot/ilsE"title="Subscribe
to my feed"><img
src="http://www.feedburner.com/fb/images/pub/fb_pwrd.gif"alt=""style="border:0/></a>

I had it as "border:0/></a>

but it should be "border:0"/></a>

By adding the closing quote, will that fix my problem?

I don't know if it did yet, because this is the wrong
time of day to be tinkering with this. Blogger is
always overloaded, so it takes forever.

Steven Streight
Web Usability Analyst & Content Writer
Blogologist
Digital Media Artist
Virtual Instrument Music Composer

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From michele at wizardev.ca  Tue Mar 29 12:15:58 2005
From: michele at wizardev.ca (Michele Foster (WizarDev))
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 13:15:58 -0500
Subject: [thelist] font identification?
References: <42499246.6070702@pintsize.com>
Message-ID: <09ed01c5348b$5c3087b0$a989fea9@mef>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Meredith Tupper" <meredith at pintsize.com>

> Hello font freaks,
>
> I'm trying to identify the font used in the Titleist logo:
> http://www.titleist.com/   Actually, I know it's most likely a
> proprietary font, but I'm looking for something similar.  Any
> suggestions?
>

Have you tried IdentiFont?
http://www.identifont.com/

I've used it in the past and it's been dead on accurate.  Just recently used
it for a client where I only had a specific "phrase" available in the font
in question, after answering several questions, it gave me a choice of
possible fonts, it's first choice being dead on perfect. Now if only someone
would build an application whereby one could scan a font and upload an
image, and the application would match it.  :)

Michele


From psm2713 at hotmail.com  Tue Mar 29 12:35:15 2005
From: psm2713 at hotmail.com (Ken Moore)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 11:35:15 -0700
Subject: [thelist] Best book learning CSS
Message-ID: <BAY20-F3550DB9617ECAAA70B98B9A6450@phx.gbl>

Hi, all

I have decided to take the plunge and learn CSS. I am a very experienced 
programmer and moderately experienced in HTML and web page design. What is 
the best book to do so IYHO.

One chance only now  J ? the ONE BEST book.

TIA, Ken

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From lists at neptunewebworks.com  Tue Mar 29 12:52:49 2005
From: lists at neptunewebworks.com (Maximillian Schwanekamp)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 10:52:49 -0800
Subject: [thelist] css question about positioning and floating
In-Reply-To: <faf1d2bd0503290937667a4e1b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <faf1d2bd0503290937667a4e1b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4249A401.3010500@neptunewebworks.com>

Dan McCullough wrote:
> is what I have now and on most pages it works fine.  however there are
> some pages where the text from above comes down and goes over the top
> or the note is there away push that box down?

Oft-cited article on this topic:
http://www.alistapart.com/articles/footers/

IMHO it's not worth the trouble to use absolute positioning for a 
footer.  Float is generally easier in the long run. Got a page URL for 
us to look at?

-- 
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From meredith at pintsize.com  Tue Mar 29 12:57:52 2005
From: meredith at pintsize.com (Meredith Tupper)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 14:57:52 -0400
Subject: [thelist] font identification?
References: <42499246.6070702@pintsize.com>
	<09ed01c5348b$5c3087b0$a989fea9@mef>
Message-ID: <4249A530.2040101@pintsize.com>

Thanks Lonnie and Michele.  I'm on the right track now.  Much obliged.

Meredith

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From chris at logorocks.com  Tue Mar 29 13:04:05 2005
From: chris at logorocks.com (Chris Kavanagh)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 20:04:05 +0100
Subject: [thelist] Anchoring a nav element to the bottom of the window
Message-ID: <51FE95CE-A085-11D9-8765-000393971BD0@logorocks.com>

Dear list,

The site I'm working on will look really nice if I can anchor the nav 
to the bottom of the window: i.e. it's always fixed at the bottom, 
regardless of the user's window size, scrolling behaviour, whatever.

Does anyone know of a simple tutorial I can hit up to make this happen? 
  I haven't had much luck in Google...probably because I don't know what 
an "anchored nav element" is really called.  :\

Many thanks!
CK.


From stevec at topdogstrategy.com  Tue Mar 29 13:07:19 2005
From: stevec at topdogstrategy.com (Steve Clason)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 12:07:19 -0700
Subject: [thelist] Best book learning CSS
In-Reply-To: <BAY20-F3550DB9617ECAAA70B98B9A6450@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY20-F3550DB9617ECAAA70B98B9A6450@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4249A767.2050003@topdogstrategy.com>

On 3/29/2005 11:35 AM Ken Moore wrote:

> I have decided to take the plunge and learn CSS. I am a very experienced 
> programmer and moderately experienced in HTML and web page design. What 
> is the best book to do so IYHO.

Eric Meyer, _Cascading Style Sheets; The Definitive Guide_,  O'Reilly.
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From lists at onlinetools.org  Tue Mar 29 13:48:16 2005
From: lists at onlinetools.org (Christian Heilmann)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 20:48:16 +0100
Subject: [thelist] Best book learning CSS
In-Reply-To: <BAY20-F3550DB9617ECAAA70B98B9A6450@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY20-F3550DB9617ECAAA70B98B9A6450@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4249B100.60402@onlinetools.org>

Ken Moore wrote:

> Hi, all
>
> I have decided to take the plunge and learn CSS. I am a very 
> experienced programmer and moderately experienced in HTML and web page 
> design. What is the best book to do so IYHO.
>
> One chance only now J ? the ONE BEST book.

Web Standards Solutions: The Markup and Style Handbook 
<http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1590593812/ref=ase_icantcouk09-21/026-6445911-3880425> 
by Dan Cederholm. Other than the commonly mentioned ones by Eric Meyer I 
found this one to give spot-on examples of all the things you need to 
design and how to do them. I made it mandatory reading for all 
developers working in my faculty.





From volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com  Tue Mar 29 13:12:08 2005
From: volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-9?Q?VOLKAN_=D6Z=C7EL=DDK?=)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 22:12:08 +0300
Subject: [thelist] Help on Preload Bar
In-Reply-To: <20050329092023.70294.qmail@web20704.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050329092023.70294.qmail@web20704.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <dfc81b090503291112732fc408@mail.gmail.com>

Rui,

afaik you can only write preload script for image files in js.
I've not examined the code you posted
But in general, the progress script written for image files do not
show pure progress but only a percentile showing

(number of preloaded images)/(total number of images in queue)

<off-discussion>
However, in theory, again for images, it is possible to write a
proactive estimator which stores the begin time and and time of
preload of each file and do some statistics suchs as moving average,
which will give the estimated download time. (It'll be fun to
implement one and I plan to do it when I have time. I don't know may
be somebody has already done it beforehand :) )
</off-discussion>

I pondered on a java or activex based solution, but I think there is
no way around.

The only reasonable alternative for non-image files is, imho, to display a
"please wait..." animated gif. 

HTH,
Volkan.


On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 06:20:23 -0300 (ART), Rui Madeira
<ruimbmadeira at yahoo.com.br> wrote:
> Hello everyone
> 
> I need some help to find a scrip of a preload bar. The preload bar will serve to preload a .mwf file. It?s a file from the MapGuide software.
> 
> I?ve already have a script but it doesn?t seem to work with files that are not image files... What must i do in the script so that it may be possible to load other files than images files?
> 
> Thank you in advaced
> 
> Rui Madeira
> 
> <html>
> <head>
> <script language=3D"JavaScript1.2">
> <!-- begin hiding
> // (C) 2000 Marcin P Wojtowicz [one_spook at hotmail.com]. All rights =
> reserved.
> // Obtain permission before selling/redistributing in any medium.
> startingColor =3D new Array() // <-- Do not modify!
> endingColor =3D new Array() // <-- Do not modify!
> // YOU MAY MODIFY THE FOLLOWING:
> var yourImages =3D new =
> Array("http://images.amazon.com/images/P/1565924940.01.TZZZZZZZ.jpg","htt=
> p://images.amazon.com/images/P/0201353415.01.TZZZZZZZ.jpg","http://images=
> .amazon.com/images/P/1556225865.01.TZZZZZZZ.jpg","http://images.amazon.co=
> m/images/P/1893115054.01.TZZZZZZZ.jpg","http://images.amazon.com/images/P=
> /1861001746.01.TZZZZZZZ.jpg") // Fill this array with the images you =
> wish to preload
> var locationAfterPreload =3D =
> "http://www.javascriptkit.com/script/script2/preloadimage2.shtml" // The =
> script will redirect here when the preloading finishes *successfully*
> var preloadbarWidth =3D 250 // The length of the preload bar. Should be =
> greater than total amount of images you want to preload!
> var preloadbarHeight =3D 15 // The height of the gradient/preload bar
> var backgroundOfGradient =3D "#000000" // Default color while the =
> preload bar is "filling up"
> // Color the preloadbar is starting with - enter 1st, 3rd and 5th =
> numbers/letters of color code
> startingColor[0] =3D "c"=20
> startingColor[1] =3D "f"
> startingColor[2] =3D "f"
> // Color the preloadbar is going to end up with - enter the 1st, 3rd and =
> 5th numbers/letters of color code
> endingColor[0] =3D "c"
> endingColor[1] =3D "0"
> endingColor[2] =3D "0"
> // FOR TROUBLESHOOTING:
> var gap =3D 5 // PLAY AROUND WITH THIS SETTING IF YOU GET A JAVASCRIPT =
> ERROR!!! 2 is the minumum value!!!
> 
> // DO NOT MODIFY ANYTHING BEYOND THIS POINT!!!
> if (!document.all) location.replace(locationAfterPreload)
> var a =3D 10, b =3D 11, c =3D 12, d =3D 13, e =3D 14, f=3D15, i, j, ones =
> =3D new Array(), sixteens =3D new Array(), diff =3D new Array();
> var convert =3D new =
> Array("0","1","2","3","4","5","6","7","8","9","a","b","c","d","e","f"), =
> imgLen =3D yourImages.length;
> var loaded =3D new Array(), preImages =3D new Array(), currCount =3D 0, =
> pending =3D 0, h =3D 0, hilite =3D new Array(), cover =3D new Array();
> var num =3D Math.floor(preloadbarWidth/gap);
> for (i =3D 0; i < 3; i++) {
> startingColor[i] =3D startingColor[i].toLowerCase();
> endingColor[i] =3D endingColor[i].toLowerCase();
> startingColor[i] =3D eval(startingColor[i]);
> endingColor[i] =3D eval(endingColor[i]);
> diff[i] =3D (endingColor[i]-startingColor[i])/num;
> ones[i] =3D Math.floor(diff[i]);
> sixteens[i] =3D Math.round((diff[i] - ones[i])*15);
> }
> endingColor[0] =3D 0;
> endingColor[1] =3D 0;
> endingColor[2] =3D 0;
> i =3D 0, j =3D 0;
> while (i <=3D num) {
> hilite[i] =3D "#";
> while (j < 3) {
>  hilite[i] +=3D convert[startingColor[j]];
>  hilite[i] +=3D convert[endingColor[j]];
>  startingColor[j] +=3D ones[j];
>  endingColor[j] +=3D sixteens[j];
>  if (endingColor[j] > 15) {
>   endingColor[j] -=3D 15;
>   startingColor[j]++;
>  }
>  j++;
> }
> j =3D 0;
> i++;
> }
> function loadImages() {
> for (i =3D 0; i < imgLen; i++) {
>  preImages[i] =3D new Image();
>  preImages[i].src =3D yourImages[i];
>  loaded[i] =3D 0;
>  cover[i] =3D Math.floor(num/imgLen)*(i+1)
> }
> cover[cover.length-1] +=3D num%imgLen
> checkLoad();
> }
> function checkLoad() {
> if (pending) { changeto(); return }
> if (currCount =3D=3D imgLen) { location.replace(locationAfterPreload); =
> return }
> for (i =3D 0; i < imgLen; i++) {
>  if (!loaded[i] && preImages[i].complete) {
>   loaded[i] =3D 1; pending++; currCount++;
>   checkLoad();
>   return;
>  }
> }
> setTimeout("checkLoad()",10);
> }
> function changeto() {
> if (h+1 > cover[currCount-1]) {
>  var percent =3D Math.round(100/imgLen)*currCount;
>  if (percent > 100) while (percent !=3D 100) percent--;
>  if (currCount =3D=3D imgLen && percent < 100) percent =3D 100;
>  defaultStatus =3D "Loaded " + currCount + " out of " + imgLen + " =
> images [" + percent + "%].";
>  pending--;
>  checkLoad();
>  return;
> }
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From volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com  Tue Mar 29 13:24:27 2005
From: volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-9?Q?VOLKAN_=D6Z=C7EL=DDK?=)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 22:24:27 +0300
Subject: [thelist] Best book learning CSS
In-Reply-To: <BAY20-F3550DB9617ECAAA70B98B9A6450@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY20-F3550DB9617ECAAA70B98B9A6450@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <dfc81b0905032911244f3ef03d@mail.gmail.com>

You had better use the internet. 

imho, no book will adequately express cross-browser issues and
browser-specific hacks (which I try to avoid all the time but need to
know none the less). Also no book, again imho, will be able to addres
all the peculiarities such as the 3px issue of floating divs, peekaboo
issue, flash of unstyled content, margin 10px auto bug in opera etc.

Here are my 0.02$ list of sites to start.

[1] google
[2] evolt.org
[3] css zen garden
[4] alistapart.com
[5] positioniseverything.com
[6] meyerweb.com

cheers.
Volkan.

On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 11:35:15 -0700, Ken Moore <psm2713 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hi, all
> 
> I have decided to take the plunge and learn CSS. I am a very experienced
> programmer and moderately experienced in HTML and web page design. What is
> the best book to do so IYHO.
> 
> One chance only now  J ? the ONE BEST book.
> 
> TIA, Ken
> 
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From volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com  Tue Mar 29 13:24:27 2005
From: volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-9?Q?VOLKAN_=D6Z=C7EL=DDK?=)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 22:24:27 +0300
Subject: [thelist] Best book learning CSS
In-Reply-To: <BAY20-F3550DB9617ECAAA70B98B9A6450@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY20-F3550DB9617ECAAA70B98B9A6450@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <dfc81b0905032911244f3ef03d@mail.gmail.com>

You had better use the internet. 

imho, no book will adequately express cross-browser issues and
browser-specific hacks (which I try to avoid all the time but need to
know none the less). Also no book, again imho, will be able to addres
all the peculiarities such as the 3px issue of floating divs, peekaboo
issue, flash of unstyled content, margin 10px auto bug in opera etc.

Here are my 0.02$ list of sites to start.

[1] google
[2] evolt.org
[3] css zen garden
[4] alistapart.com
[5] positioniseverything.com
[6] meyerweb.com

cheers.
Volkan.

On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 11:35:15 -0700, Ken Moore <psm2713 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hi, all
> 
> I have decided to take the plunge and learn CSS. I am a very experienced
> programmer and moderately experienced in HTML and web page design. What is
> the best book to do so IYHO.
> 
> One chance only now  J ? the ONE BEST book.
> 
> TIA, Ken
> 
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From discuss at alphanumeric.cz  Tue Mar 29 13:34:31 2005
From: discuss at alphanumeric.cz (Jan Brasna)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 21:34:31 +0200
Subject: [thelist] Anchoring a nav element to the bottom of the window
In-Reply-To: <51FE95CE-A085-11D9-8765-000393971BD0@logorocks.com>
References: <51FE95CE-A085-11D9-8765-000393971BD0@logorocks.com>
Message-ID: <4249ADC7.7000904@alphanumeric.cz>

Do you mean "position: fixed" in CSS?

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From mwarden at gmail.com  Tue Mar 29 13:32:17 2005
From: mwarden at gmail.com (Matt Warden)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 14:32:17 -0500
Subject: [thelist] css not applying to elements created by JS in IE
Message-ID: <bbc8fa4305032911324f5694b2@mail.gmail.com>

thelist,

I am not 100% sure I've diagnosed the problem, but it seems like
certain styling will not apply to elements that are added to the DOM
by Javascript, in IE. For example:

// create remove link
var a=document.createElement('a');
a.appendChild( document.createTextNode('(Remove) ') );
a.setAttribute('title', 'Remove this preference from the list.');
l.appendChild(a);

l is an UL.

Anyway, in IE, the text node is not styled like a link, even though it
is a child node of an anchor. The hovering cursor is as if it were
text, there is no underline and color styling that have been specified
in CSS. This only happens in IE (only tested with IE/Win; possibly
IE/Mac is also affected).

Another example:

var interestList = document.getElementById('categoryInterestList');
interestList.parentNode.setAttribute('style', 'background-color: gray;
color: white;');

Now, I had this in there just for testing (it will be a CSS class, if
I can get it to work in IE). The background color and font color does
not apply. Note that the color would actually be coloring text in a
child of this styled element, so that's similar to the situation
above. However, the background should show a direct effect and it
shows none.

However, strangely, this works fine in IE:

for (var j=0; j<childdivs.length; j++)
{
	if (childdivs[j] != selectedDiv)
	{
		childdivs[j].className = unselectedClassName;
	} // end if
}// end for

where unselectedClassName='unsel_cat'.


You can see the interface here: http://a2ew.com/

If you check an interest, you'll see it show up in the right gray box,
and that will have the remove link. If you select a main category to
the left, you'll see how the category you selected becomes
'highlighted' in a way, and the others get the normal white background
(unselectedClassName).

Any ideas?


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From chris at logorocks.com  Tue Mar 29 13:43:46 2005
From: chris at logorocks.com (Chris Kavanagh)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 20:43:46 +0100
Subject: [thelist] Anchoring a nav element to the bottom of the window
In-Reply-To: <51FE95CE-A085-11D9-8765-000393971BD0@logorocks.com>
References: <51FE95CE-A085-11D9-8765-000393971BD0@logorocks.com>
Message-ID: <DD87DE85-A08A-11D9-8765-000393971BD0@logorocks.com>

> Oft-cited article on this topic:
> http://www.alistapart.com/articles/footers/

Aha!  Looks like this is exactly what I need, as well.  Thanks, 
Maximillian: two birds, one stone, and all that.

Kind regards,
CK.


From mr.sanders at designshift.com  Tue Mar 29 13:57:44 2005
From: mr.sanders at designshift.com (Sarah Sweeney)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 15:57:44 -0400
Subject: [thelist] font identification?
In-Reply-To: <09ed01c5348b$5c3087b0$a989fea9@mef>
References: <42499246.6070702@pintsize.com>
	<09ed01c5348b$5c3087b0$a989fea9@mef>
Message-ID: <4249B338.3010208@designshift.com>

> Now if only someone
> would build an application whereby one could scan a font and upload an
> image, and the application would match it.  :)

Try this:
http://www.myfonts.com/WhatTheFont/

-- 
Sarah Sweeney
web developer & programmer
my portfolio: http://sarah.designshift.com
my blog: http://hardedge.ca
my family: http://geekjock.ca

From lists at neptunewebworks.com  Tue Mar 29 13:57:46 2005
From: lists at neptunewebworks.com (Maximillian Schwanekamp)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 11:57:46 -0800
Subject: [thelist] Best book learning CSS
In-Reply-To: <dfc81b0905032911244f3ef03d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY20-F3550DB9617ECAAA70B98B9A6450@phx.gbl>
	<dfc81b0905032911244f3ef03d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4249B33A.2060209@neptunewebworks.com>

VOLKAN ?Z?EL?K wrote:
> peculiarities such as the 3px issue of floating divs, peekaboo
> issue, flash of unstyled content, margin 10px auto bug in opera etc.
> 
> [1] google
> [2] evolt.org
> [3] css zen garden
> [4] alistapart.com
> [5] positioniseverything.com
> [6] meyerweb.com

These are all good resources.  However one can waste a lot of time (and 
thus money) reading random articles on CSS.  I recommend Eric Meyer on 
CSS[0] as a good "course" to get you set on the right path, then go to 
the css-discuss wiki[1].  *Then* go to the sites as Volkan suggests.

[0] http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/073571245X
[1] http://css-discuss.incutio.com/
-- 
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From lists at onlinetools.org  Tue Mar 29 14:51:18 2005
From: lists at onlinetools.org (Christian Heilmann)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 21:51:18 +0100
Subject: [thelist] css not applying to elements created by JS in IE
In-Reply-To: <bbc8fa4305032911324f5694b2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bbc8fa4305032911324f5694b2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4249BFC6.4050109@onlinetools.org>


>var a=document.createElement('a');
>a.appendChild( document.createTextNode('(Remove) ') );
>a.setAttribute('title', 'Remove this preference from the list.');
>l.appendChild(a);
>
>l is an UL.
>
>Anyway, in IE, the text node is not styled like a link, even though it
>is a child node of an anchor. The hovering cursor is as if it were
>text, there is no underline and color styling that have been specified
>in CSS. This only happens in IE (only tested with IE/Win; possibly
>IE/Mac is also affected).
>
>  
>
IE needs the generated link to have an href to display it as a link

a.href="#" does the trick

>Another example:
>
>var interestList = document.getElementById('categoryInterestList');
>interestList.parentNode.setAttribute('style', 'background-color: gray;
>color: white;');
>
>Now, I had this in there just for testing (it will be a CSS class, if
>I can get it to work in IE). The background color and font color does
>not apply. Note that the color would actually be coloring text in a
>child of this styled element, so that's similar to the situation
>above. However, the background should show a direct effect and it
>shows none.
>  
>
You cannot set the attribute "style",   as that is also a variable of 
the element

interestList.parentNode.style.background='#ccc';
interestList.parentNode.style.background='#fff';

does the  trick there. However, it is much cleaner to use classes for that:

http://www.onlinetools.org/articles/unobtrusivejavascript/cssjsseparation.html

HTH
Chris








From mwarden at gmail.com  Tue Mar 29 14:18:26 2005
From: mwarden at gmail.com (Matt Warden)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 15:18:26 -0500
Subject: [thelist] css not applying to elements created by JS in IE
In-Reply-To: <4249BFC6.4050109@onlinetools.org>
References: <bbc8fa4305032911324f5694b2@mail.gmail.com>
	 <4249BFC6.4050109@onlinetools.org>
Message-ID: <bbc8fa4305032912181faab41c@mail.gmail.com>

Christian,

On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 21:51:18 +0100, Christian Heilmann
<lists at onlinetools.org> wrote:
> IE needs the generated link to have an href to display it as a link
> 
> a.href="#" does the trick
...
> You cannot set the attribute "style",   as that is also a variable of
> the element
> 
> interestList.parentNode.style.background='#ccc';
> interestList.parentNode.style.background='#fff';
> 
> does the  trick there. However, it is much cleaner to use classes for that:
> 
> http://www.onlinetools.org/articles/unobtrusivejavascript/cssjsseparation.html

These fixed the problem. Thanks a million for your quick help (once again)!

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From lists at onlinetools.org  Tue Mar 29 14:54:20 2005
From: lists at onlinetools.org (Christian Heilmann)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 21:54:20 +0100
Subject: [thelist] css not applying to elements created by JS in IE
In-Reply-To: <4249BFC6.4050109@onlinetools.org>
References: <bbc8fa4305032911324f5694b2@mail.gmail.com>
	<4249BFC6.4050109@onlinetools.org>
Message-ID: <4249C07C.2030306@onlinetools.org>

Christian Heilmann wrote:

>
>> var a=document.createElement('a');
>> a.appendChild( document.createTextNode('(Remove) ') );
>> a.setAttribute('title', 'Remove this preference from the list.');
>> l.appendChild(a);
>>
>> l is an UL.
>>
>> Anyway, in IE, the text node is not styled like a link, even though it
>> is a child node of an anchor. The hovering cursor is as if it were
>> text, there is no underline and color styling that have been specified
>> in CSS. This only happens in IE (only tested with IE/Win; possibly
>> IE/Mac is also affected).
>>
>>  
>>
> IE needs the generated link to have an href to display it as a link
>
> a.href="#" does the trick
>
>> Another example:
>>
>> var interestList = document.getElementById('categoryInterestList');
>> interestList.parentNode.setAttribute('style', 'background-color: gray;
>> color: white;');
>>
>> Now, I had this in there just for testing (it will be a CSS class, if
>> I can get it to work in IE). The background color and font color does
>> not apply. Note that the color would actually be coloring text in a
>> child of this styled element, so that's similar to the situation
>> above. However, the background should show a direct effect and it
>> shows none.
>>  
>>
> You cannot set the attribute "style",   as that is also a variable of 
> the element
>
> interestList.parentNode.style.background='#ccc';
> interestList.parentNode.style.background='#fff';
>
Err that  should be
interestList.parentNode.style.color='#fff';

of course

> does the  trick there. However, it is much cleaner to use classes for 
> that:
>
> http://www.onlinetools.org/articles/unobtrusivejavascript/cssjsseparation.html 
>
>
> HTH
> Chris
>
>
>
>
>
>
>



From fffrancis at fstorr.demon.co.uk  Tue Mar 29 15:28:47 2005
From: fffrancis at fstorr.demon.co.uk (fstorr)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 22:28:47 +0100
Subject: [thelist] x-cart any good?
Message-ID: <5478287c3e947198ae30e6c28f9cfc1f@fstorr.demon.co.uk>

Hi all

I need to implement a ecommerce environment for a music store and don't 
have time to hand code one.  It needs to be PHP+MySQL and be able to 
hold somewhere in the region of 1000-2000 stock items.  After having a 
Google around, x-cart looks pretty good, but has anyone here used it?  
If so, is it reliable, what's the quality of the code like and what's 
the support like?

Alternatively, can anyone recommend a good alternative?  I don't mind 
ponying up a bit of cash, but x-cart's ~$200 is the absolute top-end of 
the budget.

TIA

Regards

Francis


From filterhead80 at hotmail.com  Tue Mar 29 15:36:01 2005
From: filterhead80 at hotmail.com (Donnie Blaker)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 21:36:01 +0000
Subject: [thelist] sql statement
Message-ID: <BAY22-F31A7DBD0A073E58EE6D8ECF450@phx.gbl>

I have two tables.  sizes and prod_size.

size has sid, name, abrv
prod_size has sid, prodid

when I do this look up I would like in one query get the all the sizes for 
that product.  normally I would do two queries but I dont think that is the 
correct way.

does someone know what I would use?  like left join or join or something 
like that

thanks

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From ej6978 at sbc.com  Tue Mar 29 15:44:36 2005
From: ej6978 at sbc.com (JACOBSON, EDDY E (PB))
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 13:44:36 -0800
Subject: [thelist] sql statement
Message-ID: <3BEC2426213C96438CF8D9C05B6F274009CD0B@casndg1msgusr09.ITServices.sbc.com>

Try

Select t1.sid,t1.name,t1.abrv,t2.prodid
>From table1 t1, table2 t2
Where t1.sid = t2.sid ;


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Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 1:36 PM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: [thelist] sql statement


I have two tables.  sizes and prod_size.

size has sid, name, abrv
prod_size has sid, prodid

when I do this look up I would like in one query get the all the sizes
for 
that product.  normally I would do two queries but I dont think that is
the 
correct way.

does someone know what I would use?  like left join or join or something

like that

thanks

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From Ed at ComSimplicity.com  Tue Mar 29 15:52:24 2005
From: Ed at ComSimplicity.com (Ed McCarroll)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 13:52:24 -0800
Subject: [thelist] sql statement
In-Reply-To: <BAY22-F31A7DBD0A073E58EE6D8ECF450@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY22-F31A7DBD0A073E58EE6D8ECF450@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1112133143.4249ce1805a6e@webmail.comsimplicity.com>

To list all size names for product 213:

  SELECT size.name
  FROM size S
  INNER JOIN prod_size PS
    ON S.sid = PS.sid
  WHERE PS.prodid = 213

or equivalent...

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Quoting Donnie Blaker <filterhead80 at hotmail.com>:

> I have two tables.  sizes and prod_size.
> 
> size has sid, name, abrv
> prod_size has sid, prodid
> 
> when I do this look up I would like in one query get the all the
> sizes for 
> that product.  normally I would do two queries but I dont think
> that is the 
> correct way.
> 
> does someone know what I would use?  like left join or join or
> something 
> like that
> 
> thanks
> 
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From lists at neptunewebworks.com  Tue Mar 29 15:57:02 2005
From: lists at neptunewebworks.com (Maximillian Schwanekamp)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 13:57:02 -0800
Subject: [thelist] x-cart any good?
In-Reply-To: <5478287c3e947198ae30e6c28f9cfc1f@fstorr.demon.co.uk>
References: <5478287c3e947198ae30e6c28f9cfc1f@fstorr.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4249CF2E.5020601@neptunewebworks.com>

fstorr wrote:
> Alternatively, can anyone recommend a good alternative?  I don't mind 
> ponying up a bit of cash, but x-cart's ~$200 is the absolute top-end of 
> the budget.

Take a look at lite commerce [0], made by the same people who made 
x-cart.  Starts at $99, IIRC.  I've evaluated both x-cart and lite 
commerce, but have never used them in production.  They're both 
feature-rich but too slow for my taste in terms of performance.  YMMV, 
of course!  You should also check out Zen Cart[1], which is free/open 
source and very similar (on the front end) to x-cart.  Keep in mind 
though that depending on your skill level it may be worth a couple 
hundred for the support coming from a commercial product.

[0] http://litecommerce.com/
[1] http://zencart.com/

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From filterhead80 at hotmail.com  Tue Mar 29 16:35:16 2005
From: filterhead80 at hotmail.com (Donnie Blaker)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 22:35:16 +0000
Subject: [thelist] sql statement
In-Reply-To: <1112133143.4249ce1805a6e@webmail.comsimplicity.com>
Message-ID: <BAY22-F1981CE130C59F2DE995F57CF450@phx.gbl>

if you dont mind me asking, whats the difference between an inner and an 
outer

>From: Ed McCarroll <Ed at ComSimplicity.com>
>Reply-To: "thelist at lists.evolt.org" <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
>To: "thelist at lists.evolt.org" <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
>Subject: Re: [thelist] sql statement
>Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 13:52:24 -0800
>
>To list all size names for product 213:
>
>   SELECT size.name
>   FROM size S
>   INNER JOIN prod_size PS
>     ON S.sid = PS.sid
>   WHERE PS.prodid = 213
>
>or equivalent...
>
>--
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>
>
>Quoting Donnie Blaker <filterhead80 at hotmail.com>:
>
> > I have two tables.  sizes and prod_size.
> >
> > size has sid, name, abrv
> > prod_size has sid, prodid
> >
> > when I do this look up I would like in one query get the all the
> > sizes for
> > that product.  normally I would do two queries but I dont think
> > that is the
> > correct way.
> >
> > does someone know what I would use?  like left join or join or
> > something
> > like that
> >
> > thanks
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
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From Ken at adOpenStatic.com  Tue Mar 29 16:56:42 2005
From: Ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 08:56:42 +1000
Subject: [thelist] sql statement
Message-ID: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E6914B872@kjserver1.kjhome.local>

INNER JOIN requires a match on both sides.

OUTER JOIN does not require a match, and where there is no match, a NULL will
be substituted. Depending on whether you use a LEFT OUTER JOIN, RIGHT OURTER
JOIN, or FULL OUTER JOIN, you will get NULLs on the right, left, or both
sides.

-- always require a match in table1 with table2
INNER JOIN
	Table2
ON
	Table1.ID = Table2.ID

-- if no match in table2, then select the fields from 
-- table1, and put in NULLs for the table2 fields
LEFT OUTER JOIN
	Table2
ON
	Table1.ID = Table2.ID

-- if no match in table1, then select the fields from 
-- table2, and put in NULLs for the table1 fields
RIGHT OUTER JOIN
	Table2
ON
	Table1.ID = Table2.ID

-- select all records, and if no match
-- substitute a NULL on either the left or right
FULL OUTER JOIN
	Table2
ON
	Table1.ID = Table2.ID

Cheers
Ken

--
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-
: bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Donnie Blaker
: Subject: Re: [thelist] sql statement
: 
: if you dont mind me asking, whats the difference between an inner and an
: outer
: 
: >From: Ed McCarroll <Ed at ComSimplicity.com>
: >Reply-To: "thelist at lists.evolt.org" <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
: >To: "thelist at lists.evolt.org" <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
: >Subject: Re: [thelist] sql statement
: >Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 13:52:24 -0800
: >
: >To list all size names for product 213:
: >
: >   SELECT size.name
: >   FROM size S
: >   INNER JOIN prod_size PS
: >     ON S.sid = PS.sid
: >   WHERE PS.prodid = 213
: >
: >or equivalent...
: >
: >--
: >Ed McCarroll                                  (310) 838-4330
: >Ed at ComSimplicity.com            http://www.ComSimplicity.com
: >
: >
: >Quoting Donnie Blaker <filterhead80 at hotmail.com>:
: >
: > > I have two tables.  sizes and prod_size.
: > >
: > > size has sid, name, abrv
: > > prod_size has sid, prodid
: > >
: > > when I do this look up I would like in one query get the all the
: > > sizes for
: > > that product.  normally I would do two queries but I dont think
: > > that is the
: > > correct way.
: > >
: > > does someone know what I would use?  like left join or join or
: > > something
: > > like that
: > >
: > > thanks

From jdillon at boehm-ritter.com  Tue Mar 29 17:12:14 2005
From: jdillon at boehm-ritter.com (Jonathan Dillon)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 15:12:14 -0800
Subject: [thelist] FW: XML PHP Special Characters
In-Reply-To: <00cf01c533e7$1f957e40$870aa8c0@Corp.Solimarsystems.com>
Message-ID: <20050329232411.6BA77518586@mx1.nexiderm.com>

> Is there a way I can have this special character go through the parsing
process but still return a valid trademark symbol?

Why go to all this trouble.  Just define a class trademark and apply your
transformations after the fact in the css of your markup.  

Jonathan


From info at internetvraagbaak.nl  Wed Mar 30 01:40:40 2005
From: info at internetvraagbaak.nl (Jeroen Wijers)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 09:40:40 +0200
Subject: [thelist] x-cart any good?
References: <5478287c3e947198ae30e6c28f9cfc1f@fstorr.demon.co.uk>
	<4249CF2E.5020601@neptunewebworks.com>
Message-ID: <000e01c534fb$c5d6ee00$0501a8c0@cartesiapvek83>

Maybe check Oscommerce too.....
I know the organisation has not updated their Milestone version for a long 
time.... and are still busy with a new version,
that should be released this year. www.oscommerce.org
It is still a free, opensource descent and easy to adjust e-commerce package 
in php and mysql.

Jeroen
Building a site with oscommerce right now with the use of STS template 
system to really change all looks and feel.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Maximillian Schwanekamp" <lists at neptunewebworks.com>
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 11:57 PM
Subject: Re: [thelist] x-cart any good?


> fstorr wrote:
>> Alternatively, can anyone recommend a good alternative?  I don't mind 
>> ponying up a bit of cash, but x-cart's ~$200 is the absolute top-end of 
>> the budget.
>
> Take a look at lite commerce [0], made by the same people who made x-cart. 
> Starts at $99, IIRC.  I've evaluated both x-cart and lite commerce, but 
> have never used them in production.  They're both feature-rich but too 
> slow for my taste in terms of performance.  YMMV, of course!  You should 
> also check out Zen Cart[1], which is free/open source and very similar (on 
> the front end) to x-cart.  Keep in mind though that depending on your 
> skill level it may be worth a couple hundred for the support coming from a 
> commercial product.
>
> [0] http://litecommerce.com/
> [1] http://zencart.com/
>
> -- 
> Maximillian Von Schwanekamp
> http://www.neptunewebworks.com/
>
> -- 
>
> * * Please support the community that supports you.  * *
> http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
>
> For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and 
> archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, 
> evolt ! 


From juha.suni at ilmiantajat.fi  Wed Mar 30 02:44:07 2005
From: juha.suni at ilmiantajat.fi (Juha Suni)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:44:07 +0300
Subject: [thelist] Best book learning CSS
References: <BAY20-F3550DB9617ECAAA70B98B9A6450@phx.gbl>
	<dfc81b0905032911244f3ef03d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <036901c53504$a29285e0$3300a8c0@tavutykki>

VOLKAN ?Z?ELIK wrote:
> Here are my 0.02$ list of sites to start.
>
> [1] google
> [2] evolt.org
> [3] css zen garden
> [4] alistapart.com
> [5] positioniseverything.com
> [6] meyerweb.com

I'd also absolutely suggest Autistick Cuckoo. Excellent detailed
descriptions on many things CSS. http://www.autisticcuckoo.net/

-- 
Suni


From ccosta at gmail.com  Wed Mar 30 05:14:46 2005
From: ccosta at gmail.com (Carlos Costa)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 13:14:46 +0200
Subject: [thelist] Flash: Problems with big mp3's
Message-ID: <afa694620503300314435becd1@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all!

First of all, I am a very beginner in flash :-) . I've write a little
script that tries play a mp3 file. My approach is really simple:

var sonido = new Sound();
sonido.loadSound("/path/to/my/mp3",true);

1. From Flash directly: runs.
2. From Firefox: runs.
3. From... ehem... explorer: only runs with small files (<300, 400 Kb)

I've tried with onLoad, onComplete, streaming false, streaming true,
with no luck.

Do you have any idea about solving this?

TIA

-- 
[ http://www.improveyourweb.com/ ]
web.log.about.web.development

From fffrancis at fstorr.demon.co.uk  Wed Mar 30 07:13:58 2005
From: fffrancis at fstorr.demon.co.uk (fstorr)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 14:13:58 +0100
Subject: [thelist] x-cart any good?
In-Reply-To: <000e01c534fb$c5d6ee00$0501a8c0@cartesiapvek83>
References: <5478287c3e947198ae30e6c28f9cfc1f@fstorr.demon.co.uk>
	<4249CF2E.5020601@neptunewebworks.com>
	<000e01c534fb$c5d6ee00$0501a8c0@cartesiapvek83>
Message-ID: <4281afbbeddef08e2e31cfd10d4f36a3@fstorr.demon.co.uk>


On 30 Mar 2005, at 08:40, Jeroen Wijers wrote:

> Maybe check Oscommerce too.....
> I know the organisation has not updated their Milestone version for a 
> long time.... and are still busy with a new version,
> that should be released this year. www.oscommerce.org
> It is still a free, opensource descent and easy to adjust e-commerce 
> package in php and mysql.

Hi

Thanks for this.  I've installed a copy of OSCommerce locally but it 
needs register_globals to be turned on to work - surely not a sensible 
approach for an ecommerce environment?!  If it wasn't for that, I'd 
probably go with it.

Regards

F


From damiencola at wanadoo.fr  Wed Mar 30 07:33:16 2005
From: damiencola at wanadoo.fr (Alliax)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 15:33:16 +0200
Subject: [thelist] x-cart any good?
In-Reply-To: <000e01c534fb$c5d6ee00$0501a8c0@cartesiapvek83>
References: <5478287c3e947198ae30e6c28f9cfc1f@fstorr.demon.co.uk>
	<4249CF2E.5020601@neptunewebworks.com>
	<000e01c534fb$c5d6ee00$0501a8c0@cartesiapvek83>
Message-ID: <424AAA9C.2010000@wanadoo.fr>

What about http://www.zencart.com ? does anybody has arguments on not 
using this one instead of oscommerce ?
Since zencart is based on oscommerce code and improved ever since, while 
oscommerce has its latest  milestone release way in the past, it seems 
to me zencart would be the best choice for a shopping cart + catalog in 
open source (php/mysql)
I didn't know that oscommerce still had plans to releasea new milestone 
version, but it's really ridiculous and lack of respect to make people 
wait that long.. I've also heard that oscommerce was not open to 
contributions the way it should be and it is still hold by a couple of 
coders with obviously not enough time to correctly manage oscommerce's 
releases.

Jeroen Wijers wrote:
> Maybe check Oscommerce too.....
> I know the organisation has not updated their Milestone version for a 
> long time.... and are still busy with a new version,
> that should be released this year. www.oscommerce.org
> It is still a free, opensource descent and easy to adjust e-commerce 
> package in php and mysql.
> 
> Jeroen
> Building a site with oscommerce right now with the use of STS template 
> system to really change all looks and feel.


From dan.mccullough at gmail.com  Wed Mar 30 07:54:35 2005
From: dan.mccullough at gmail.com (Dan McCullough)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 08:54:35 -0500
Subject: [thelist] x-cart any good?
In-Reply-To: <faf1d2bd05033005533fde944c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5478287c3e947198ae30e6c28f9cfc1f@fstorr.demon.co.uk>
	 <4249CF2E.5020601@neptunewebworks.com>
	 <000e01c534fb$c5d6ee00$0501a8c0@cartesiapvek83>
	 <4281afbbeddef08e2e31cfd10d4f36a3@fstorr.demon.co.uk>
	 <faf1d2bd05033005533fde944c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <faf1d2bd0503300554763faa6@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry for the rant.  But its the same discussion I have with other
client you get what you pay for if you get someone to develop your
cart or implement your cart.


On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 08:53:27 -0500, Dan McCullough
<dan.mccullough at gmail.com> wrote:
> Most of these "free" carts are fine if you want to go with a cookie
> cutter or default design, the problem is if you want to get a
> customized design you run into a lot of problems with developers not
> delivering the design, and not delivering for the promised price.  We
> have a client that is on his 5 developer to implement a custom design
> into Interchange, which is a very good perl package.  Interchange is
> not that difficult its just that most of the inexpensive developers
> never learn how the software work, and then work within that
> framework.  We have has similar problems with developers working the
> designs into OSCommerce, FreeTrade and phpShop.  I ended up doing my
> own cart and stuff for her clients, but its not cheap.
> 
> On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 14:13:58 +0100, fstorr <fffrancis at fstorr.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > On 30 Mar 2005, at 08:40, Jeroen Wijers wrote:
> >
> > > Maybe check Oscommerce too.....
> > > I know the organisation has not updated their Milestone version for a
> > > long time.... and are still busy with a new version,
> > > that should be released this year. www.oscommerce.org
> > > It is still a free, opensource descent and easy to adjust e-commerce
> > > package in php and mysql.
> >
> > Hi
> >
> > Thanks for this.  I've installed a copy of OSCommerce locally but it
> > needs register_globals to be turned on to work - surely not a sensible
> > approach for an ecommerce environment?!  If it wasn't for that, I'd
> > probably go with it.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > F
> >
> > --
> >
> > * * Please support the community that supports you.  * *
> > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
> >
> > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester
> > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org
> > Workers of the Web, evolt !
> >
>

From dan.mccullough at gmail.com  Wed Mar 30 07:53:27 2005
From: dan.mccullough at gmail.com (Dan McCullough)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 08:53:27 -0500
Subject: [thelist] x-cart any good?
In-Reply-To: <4281afbbeddef08e2e31cfd10d4f36a3@fstorr.demon.co.uk>
References: <5478287c3e947198ae30e6c28f9cfc1f@fstorr.demon.co.uk>
	 <4249CF2E.5020601@neptunewebworks.com>
	 <000e01c534fb$c5d6ee00$0501a8c0@cartesiapvek83>
	 <4281afbbeddef08e2e31cfd10d4f36a3@fstorr.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <faf1d2bd05033005533fde944c@mail.gmail.com>

Most of these "free" carts are fine if you want to go with a cookie
cutter or default design, the problem is if you want to get a
customized design you run into a lot of problems with developers not
delivering the design, and not delivering for the promised price.  We
have a client that is on his 5 developer to implement a custom design
into Interchange, which is a very good perl package.  Interchange is
not that difficult its just that most of the inexpensive developers
never learn how the software work, and then work within that
framework.  We have has similar problems with developers working the
designs into OSCommerce, FreeTrade and phpShop.  I ended up doing my
own cart and stuff for her clients, but its not cheap.

On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 14:13:58 +0100, fstorr <fffrancis at fstorr.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> On 30 Mar 2005, at 08:40, Jeroen Wijers wrote:
> 
> > Maybe check Oscommerce too.....
> > I know the organisation has not updated their Milestone version for a
> > long time.... and are still busy with a new version,
> > that should be released this year. www.oscommerce.org
> > It is still a free, opensource descent and easy to adjust e-commerce
> > package in php and mysql.
> 
> Hi
> 
> Thanks for this.  I've installed a copy of OSCommerce locally but it
> needs register_globals to be turned on to work - surely not a sensible
> approach for an ecommerce environment?!  If it wasn't for that, I'd
> probably go with it.
> 
> Regards
> 
> F
> 
> --
> 
> * * Please support the community that supports you.  * *
> http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
> 
> For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester
> and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org
> Workers of the Web, evolt !
>

From info at internetvraagbaak.nl  Wed Mar 30 07:54:31 2005
From: info at internetvraagbaak.nl (Jeroen Wijers)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 15:54:31 +0200
Subject: [thelist] x-cart any good?
References: 	<5478287c3e947198ae30e6c28f9cfc1f@fstorr.demon.co.uk><4249CF2E.5020601@neptunewebworks.com><000e01c534fb$c5d6ee00$0501a8c0@cartesiapvek83>
	<4281afbbeddef08e2e31cfd10d4f36a3@fstorr.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <000a01c5352f$ff519980$0501a8c0@cartesiapvek83>

http://www.oscommerce.com/community/contributions,2097

i will apply it too soon
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "fstorr" <fffrancis at fstorr.demon.co.uk>
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 3:13 PM
Subject: Re: [thelist] x-cart any good?


> 
> On 30 Mar 2005, at 08:40, Jeroen Wijers wrote:
> 
>> Maybe check Oscommerce too.....
>> I know the organisation has not updated their Milestone version for a 
>> long time.... and are still busy with a new version,
>> that should be released this year. www.oscommerce.org
>> It is still a free, opensource descent and easy to adjust e-commerce 
>> package in php and mysql.
> 
> Hi
> 
> Thanks for this.  I've installed a copy of OSCommerce locally but it 
> needs register_globals to be turned on to work - surely not a sensible 
> approach for an ecommerce environment?!  If it wasn't for that, I'd 
> probably go with it.
> 
> Regards
> 
> F
> 
> -- 
> 
> * * Please support the community that supports you.  * *
> http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
> 
> For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester 
> and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org 
> Workers of the Web, evolt ! 
>

From kris at midtempo.net  Wed Mar 30 07:59:10 2005
From: kris at midtempo.net (kris burford)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 14:59:10 +0100
Subject: [thelist] [mysql] concat problem
Message-ID: <424AB0AE.9030803@midtempo.net>

hiya

i'm trying to update a row and add form results to the end of text field.

i've been using:

UPDATE mytable SET mycell = CONCAT(mycell, $FormResults) WHERE id=1

which works fine, on the provision that mycell != null

if mycell is null, then it doesn't work (returns 0 affected rows)

anyone know how i can change this to work?

tia

kris

From dan.mccullough at gmail.com  Wed Mar 30 08:04:55 2005
From: dan.mccullough at gmail.com (Dan McCullough)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 09:04:55 -0500
Subject: [thelist] x-cart any good?
In-Reply-To: <424AAA9C.2010000@wanadoo.fr>
References: <5478287c3e947198ae30e6c28f9cfc1f@fstorr.demon.co.uk>
	 <4249CF2E.5020601@neptunewebworks.com>
	 <000e01c534fb$c5d6ee00$0501a8c0@cartesiapvek83>
	 <424AAA9C.2010000@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <faf1d2bd050330060460b0ae7d@mail.gmail.com>

I thought OSCommerce was still allowing contributions.  Interesting if
they are not doing that anymore, that was a very good model and one
that has work for numerous projects.

On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 15:33:16 +0200, Alliax <damiencola at wanadoo.fr> wrote:
> What about http://www.zencart.com ? does anybody has arguments on not
> using this one instead of oscommerce ?
> Since zencart is based on oscommerce code and improved ever since, while
> oscommerce has its latest  milestone release way in the past, it seems
> to me zencart would be the best choice for a shopping cart + catalog in
> open source (php/mysql)
> I didn't know that oscommerce still had plans to releasea new milestone
> version, but it's really ridiculous and lack of respect to make people
> wait that long.. I've also heard that oscommerce was not open to
> contributions the way it should be and it is still hold by a couple of
> coders with obviously not enough time to correctly manage oscommerce's
> releases.
> 
> Jeroen Wijers wrote:
> > Maybe check Oscommerce too.....
> > I know the organisation has not updated their Milestone version for a
> > long time.... and are still busy with a new version,
> > that should be released this year. www.oscommerce.org
> > It is still a free, opensource descent and easy to adjust e-commerce
> > package in php and mysql.
> >
> > Jeroen
> > Building a site with oscommerce right now with the use of STS template
> > system to really change all looks and feel.
> 
> --
> 
> * * Please support the community that supports you.  * *
> http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
> 
> For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester
> and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org
> Workers of the Web, evolt !
>

From jay.blanchard at niicommunications.com  Wed Mar 30 08:17:06 2005
From: jay.blanchard at niicommunications.com (Jay Blanchard)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 08:17:06 -0600
Subject: [thelist] [mysql] concat problem
Message-ID: <C8F323573C030A448F3E5A2B6FE2070B08EB9066@nemesis>

[snip]
UPDATE mytable SET mycell = CONCAT(mycell, $FormResults) WHERE id=1

which works fine, on the provision that mycell != null

if mycell is null, then it doesn't work (returns 0 affected rows)

anyone know how i can change this to work?
[/snip]

Use an IF (not tested, so syntax may be off)

update mytable set mycell = if(mycell IS NULL, concat(mycell,
$formresults), $formresults) where id=1

From filterhead80 at hotmail.com  Wed Mar 30 08:18:36 2005
From: filterhead80 at hotmail.com (Donnie Blaker)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 14:18:36 +0000
Subject: [thelist] sql statement
In-Reply-To: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E6914B872@kjserver1.kjhome.local>
Message-ID: <BAY22-F317B69FBCEF692226650C6CF460@phx.gbl>

So let me ask a another question, if no one minds.
If I have a query that pulls some information a straight select statement 
that pulls name occupation salary and then has an address id, can I using an 
INNER JOIN or an OUTER JOIN to pull that information in the same statement.

so that one query would get name occupation salary address1 address2 city 
state zip phone? or would that require two queries?

>From: "Ken Schaefer" <Ken at adOpenStatic.com>
>Reply-To: "thelist at lists.evolt.org" <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
>To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
>Subject: RE: [thelist] sql statement
>Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 08:56:42 +1000
>
>INNER JOIN requires a match on both sides.
>
>OUTER JOIN does not require a match, and where there is no match, a NULL 
>will
>be substituted. Depending on whether you use a LEFT OUTER JOIN, RIGHT 
>OURTER
>JOIN, or FULL OUTER JOIN, you will get NULLs on the right, left, or both
>sides.
>
>-- always require a match in table1 with table2
>INNER JOIN
>	Table2
>ON
>	Table1.ID = Table2.ID
>
>-- if no match in table2, then select the fields from
>-- table1, and put in NULLs for the table2 fields
>LEFT OUTER JOIN
>	Table2
>ON
>	Table1.ID = Table2.ID
>
>-- if no match in table1, then select the fields from
>-- table2, and put in NULLs for the table1 fields
>RIGHT OUTER JOIN
>	Table2
>ON
>	Table1.ID = Table2.ID
>
>-- select all records, and if no match
>-- substitute a NULL on either the left or right
>FULL OUTER JOIN
>	Table2
>ON
>	Table1.ID = Table2.ID
>
>Cheers
>Ken
>
>--
>www.adOpenStatic.com/cs/blogs/ken/
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>: From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-
>: bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Donnie Blaker
>: Subject: Re: [thelist] sql statement
>:
>: if you dont mind me asking, whats the difference between an inner and an
>: outer
>:
>: >From: Ed McCarroll <Ed at ComSimplicity.com>
>: >Reply-To: "thelist at lists.evolt.org" <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
>: >To: "thelist at lists.evolt.org" <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
>: >Subject: Re: [thelist] sql statement
>: >Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 13:52:24 -0800
>: >
>: >To list all size names for product 213:
>: >
>: >   SELECT size.name
>: >   FROM size S
>: >   INNER JOIN prod_size PS
>: >     ON S.sid = PS.sid
>: >   WHERE PS.prodid = 213
>: >
>: >or equivalent...
>: >
>: >--
>: >Ed McCarroll                                  (310) 838-4330
>: >Ed at ComSimplicity.com            http://www.ComSimplicity.com
>: >
>: >
>: >Quoting Donnie Blaker <filterhead80 at hotmail.com>:
>: >
>: > > I have two tables.  sizes and prod_size.
>: > >
>: > > size has sid, name, abrv
>: > > prod_size has sid, prodid
>: > >
>: > > when I do this look up I would like in one query get the all the
>: > > sizes for
>: > > that product.  normally I would do two queries but I dont think
>: > > that is the
>: > > correct way.
>: > >
>: > > does someone know what I would use?  like left join or join or
>: > > something
>: > > like that
>: > >
>: > > thanks
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From damiencola at wanadoo.fr  Wed Mar 30 08:39:13 2005
From: damiencola at wanadoo.fr (Alliax)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 16:39:13 +0200
Subject: [thelist] x-cart any good?
In-Reply-To: <faf1d2bd050330060460b0ae7d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5478287c3e947198ae30e6c28f9cfc1f@fstorr.demon.co.uk>
	<4249CF2E.5020601@neptunewebworks.com>
	<000e01c534fb$c5d6ee00$0501a8c0@cartesiapvek83>	 <424AAA9C.2010000@wanadoo.fr>
	<faf1d2bd050330060460b0ae7d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <424ABA11.8090400@wanadoo.fr>

What I mean exactly is that I read somewhere (maybe on zencart site) 
that the 2 guys hold the codebase for oscommerce, so it is not a normal 
CVS where people can contribute code changes and then those get approved 
(committed) by the community of developpers.
I'm not talking about contributions of modules which enhance and change 
the oscommerce you're using, I'm talking about the developpement of 
oscommerce codebase, the stuff you download first.

So why not zencart ? Is anybody has reasons to prefer oscommerce NOW ? 
(apart for the amount of modules/contributions available which are more 
important in oscommerce, but then zencart incorporate many of the 
functionnalities that requires tweaks and modules in oscommerce MS2.2)

Dan McCullough wrote:
> I thought OSCommerce was still allowing contributions.  Interesting if
> they are not doing that anymore, that was a very good model and one
> that has work for numerous projects.


From kris at midtempo.net  Wed Mar 30 08:42:33 2005
From: kris at midtempo.net (kris burford)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 15:42:33 +0100
Subject: [thelist] [mysql] concat problem [solved]
In-Reply-To: <C8F323573C030A448F3E5A2B6FE2070B08EB9066@nemesis>
References: <C8F323573C030A448F3E5A2B6FE2070B08EB9066@nemesis>
Message-ID: <424ABAD9.1080903@midtempo.net>


>[snip]
>UPDATE mytable SET mycell = CONCAT(mycell, $FormResults) WHERE id=1
>
>which works fine, on the provision that mycell != null
>
>if mycell is null, then it doesn't work (returns 0 affected rows)
>
>anyone know how i can change this to work?
>[/snip]
>
>Use an IF (not tested, so syntax may be off)
>
>update mytable set mycell = if(mycell IS NULL, concat(mycell,
>$formresults), $formresults) where id=1
>  
>
fantastic. thanks jay.

although the other way around, just to be completist about it... ; )

UPDATE mytable SET mycell = IF(mycell IS NULL, $formresults, 
CONCAT(mycell, $formresults) where id = 1

From info at internetvraagbaak.nl  Wed Mar 30 09:26:55 2005
From: info at internetvraagbaak.nl (Jeroen Wijers)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 17:26:55 +0200
Subject: [thelist] x-cart any good?
References: 	<5478287c3e947198ae30e6c28f9cfc1f@fstorr.demon.co.uk><4249CF2E.5020601@neptunewebworks.com><000e01c534fb$c5d6ee00$0501a8c0@cartesiapvek83>
	<424AAA9C.2010000@wanadoo.fr><faf1d2bd050330060460b0ae7d@mail.gmail.com>
	<424ABA11.8090400@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <000c01c5353c$e8336780$0501a8c0@cartesiapvek83>



> What I mean exactly is that I read somewhere (maybe on zencart site) that 
> the 2 guys hold the codebase for oscommerce, so it is not a normal CVS 
> where people can contribute code changes and then those get approved 
> (committed) by the community of developpers.
> I'm not talking about contributions of modules which enhance and change 
> the oscommerce you're using, I'm talking about the developpement of 
> oscommerce codebase, the stuff you download first.

I can image you saying that... today just got 25 email with updates from the 
developerteam of oscommerce.
Last mailing was a long time ago...
But i am not using the CVS version, just stick to the "milestone".
Oscommerce 2.2 MS runs on php5, if you change one line somewhere  = should 
be  ==
But indeed... not much reasons to say NO NOW to any other opensource 
e-commerce solution.

People holding codebases instead of having it spread over many developers is 
i think one of the most
difficult subject of discussion in the opensource world.
I don;t take sides in it really... both have weak and strong points.

To have another, more wild suggestion is using MAMBOPlus :) 
http://www.mambo-phpshop.net/



>
> So why not zencart ? Is anybody has reasons to prefer oscommerce NOW ? 
> (apart for the amount of modules/contributions available which are more 
> important in oscommerce, but then zencart incorporate many of the 
> functionnalities that requires tweaks and modules in oscommerce MS2.2)
>
> Dan McCullough wrote:
>> I thought OSCommerce was still allowing contributions.  Interesting if
>> they are not doing that anymore, that was a very good model and one
>> that has work for numerous projects.
>
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From joshua at waetech.com  Wed Mar 30 09:30:20 2005
From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 10:30:20 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Illegal to link?
Message-ID: <mailman.0.1260243055.26980.thelist@lists.evolt.org>

Hi List,

I found this:

https://data.webmd.com/sdclive/sdcform.aspx?formid=l2uRegistration

Anybody know if that is total BS?

<><><><><><><><><><>
Joshua Olson
Web Application Engineer
WAE Tech Inc.
http://www.waetech.com/service_areas/
706.210.0168 



From joshua at waetech.com  Wed Mar 30 09:32:33 2005
From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 10:32:33 -0500
Subject: [thelist] sql statement
In-Reply-To: <BAY22-F317B69FBCEF692226650C6CF460@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <mailman.1.1260243055.26980.thelist@lists.evolt.org>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Donnie Blaker
> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 9:19 AM
> 
> So let me ask a another question, if no one minds.
> If I have a query that pulls some information a straight 
> select statement 
> that pulls name occupation salary and then has an address id, 
> can I using an 
> INNER JOIN or an OUTER JOIN to pull that information in the 
> same statement.
> 
> so that one query would get name occupation salary address1 
> address2 city 
> state zip phone? or would that require two queries?

Donnie,

This can be done in one query, generally.  You would need to decide between
INNER and OUTER joins depending on whether or not you want records returned
where there is no matching address.

<><><><><><><><><><>
Joshua Olson
Web Application Engineer
WAE Tech Inc.
http://www.waetech.com/service_areas/
706.210.0168 



From filterhead80 at hotmail.com  Wed Mar 30 09:46:18 2005
From: filterhead80 at hotmail.com (Donnie Blaker)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 15:46:18 +0000
Subject: [thelist] sql statement
In-Reply-To: <MC2-F32BybhoiSxibOY0007841d@mc2-f32.hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY22-F382D56CE079271EBCF152ECF460@phx.gbl>

Well in teh case of the address it should return a match or nothing

>From: "Joshua Olson" <joshua at waetech.com>
>Reply-To: "thelist at lists.evolt.org" <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
>To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
>Subject: RE: [thelist] sql statement
>Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 10:32:33 -0500
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Donnie Blaker
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 9:19 AM
> >
> > So let me ask a another question, if no one minds.
> > If I have a query that pulls some information a straight
> > select statement
> > that pulls name occupation salary and then has an address id,
> > can I using an
> > INNER JOIN or an OUTER JOIN to pull that information in the
> > same statement.
> >
> > so that one query would get name occupation salary address1
> > address2 city
> > state zip phone? or would that require two queries?
>
>Donnie,
>
>This can be done in one query, generally.  You would need to decide between
>INNER and OUTER joins depending on whether or not you want records returned
>where there is no matching address.
>
><><><><><><><><><><>
>Joshua Olson
>Web Application Engineer
>WAE Tech Inc.
>http://www.waetech.com/service_areas/
>706.210.0168
>
>
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>
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From gsb at athenswebdevelopment.com  Wed Mar 30 09:49:55 2005
From: gsb at athenswebdevelopment.com (Garrick S. Bodine (Shan))
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 10:49:55 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Illegal to link?
In-Reply-To: <1112197162.25209.17.camel@cottonmouth>
References: <1112197162.25209.17.camel@cottonmouth>
Message-ID: <1112197795.25209.23.camel@cottonmouth>

On Wed, 2005-03-30 at 10:30 -0500, Joshua Olson wrote:
> 
> https://data.webmd.com/sdclive/sdcform.aspx?formid=l2uRegistration
> 
> Anybody know if that is total BS?
> 

When challenged, it appears this kind of thing has not held up - at
least in the US.

http://www.murdoch.edu.au/elaw/issues/v11n1/meyer111.html

and 

http://www.nolo.com/article.cfm/objectID/C13F7E6B-
B05E-43DF-80D62B635DF9DD9F/310/266/ART/




> <><><><><><><><><><>
> Joshua Olson
> Web Application Engineer
> WAE Tech Inc.
> http://www.waetech.com/service_areas/
> 706.210.0168 
> 
> 


From erik at erikheerlein.com  Wed Mar 30 09:52:32 2005
From: erik at erikheerlein.com (Erik Heerlein)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 10:52:32 -0500
Subject: [thelist] signs of a hacker?
Message-ID: <f34a05b5d2f6b5313d548b8a429b544f@erikheerlein.com>

Someone has been repeatedly trying to buy stuff from my site using what 
seems to be made up info and each time they use a different card. It 
appears that they are just trying to see if the cards they are using 
are valid or not. I'm assuming that's the scheme.

But in checking the logs I noticed that they found my site by googling 
the keywords, "result in AVS mismatch", which pulled up my FAQ page 
which explains to the customers how a transaction can be declined if 
they do not provide a correct billing address.

Am I correct in assuming this person's activities are less than 
legitimate? I have blocked their IP for the time being.

-Erik


From chris at logorocks.com  Wed Mar 30 09:54:36 2005
From: chris at logorocks.com (Chris Kavanagh)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 16:54:36 +0100
Subject: [thelist] Site critique please!
Message-ID: <0424C55C-A134-11D9-998A-000393971BD0@logorocks.com>

Dear list,

I've (very hastily) put together a site for a client.  It was 
necessarily rushed, and I'll be spending some time next week 
overhauling it: in the meantime, any constructive or deconstructive 
criticism will be most welcome.

Those so inclined should sharpen their long knives and head over to:
http://www.innercircle.eu.com

Many thanks,
CK.


From markgroen at gmail.com  Wed Mar 30 09:53:33 2005
From: markgroen at gmail.com (Mark Groen)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 07:53:33 -0800
Subject: [thelist] Illegal to link?
References: <424ac830.07067038.083d.ffffbe6bSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00e401c53540$a1dcac20$6500a8c0@vn.shawcable.net>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joshua Olson" <>
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: March 30, 2005 7:30 AM
Subject: [thelist] Illegal to link?


> https://data.webmd.com/sdclive/sdcform.aspx?formid=l2uRegistration
>
> Anybody know if that is total BS?

According to Google it is:
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&safe=off&c2coff=1&q=learn+more+about+Medicare-approved+drug+discount+site%3Amy.webmd.com&btnG=Search&meta=

a French newspaper thinks it isn't, a blogosphere note on the news
aspect of this subject:
http://www.corante.com/mooreslore/archives/2005/03/29/google_vs_news_inc.php
"organizations like AP, Kyodo and ... Agence France-Presse have gone
after Google News with their lawyers. They don't want the
competition.
You will note, if you use Google News today, that not only are there
no indirect links to Agence France-Presse stories..., but there are
no direct links to AP stories, either. On the other hand, you will
find AP all over Yahoo."

oops, looks like we did it again.

cheers,

       Mark



From jay.blanchard at niicommunications.com  Wed Mar 30 10:01:18 2005
From: jay.blanchard at niicommunications.com (Jay Blanchard)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 10:01:18 -0600
Subject: [thelist] [mysql] concat problem [solved]
Message-ID: <C8F323573C030A448F3E5A2B6FE2070B08EB9068@nemesis>

[snip]
>update mytable set mycell = if(mycell IS NULL, concat(mycell,
>$formresults), $formresults) where id=1
>  
>
although the other way around, just to be completist about it... ; )

UPDATE mytable SET mycell = IF(mycell IS NULL, $formresults, 
CONCAT(mycell, $formresults) where id = 1
[/snip]

Right you are! OR.....

update mytable set mycell = if(mycell IS NOT NULL, concat(mycell,
$formresults), $formresults) where id=1

From morrison.ben at gmail.com  Wed Mar 30 10:19:19 2005
From: morrison.ben at gmail.com (ben morrison)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 17:19:19 +0100
Subject: [thelist] Site critique please!
In-Reply-To: <0424C55C-A134-11D9-998A-000393971BD0@logorocks.com>
References: <0424C55C-A134-11D9-998A-000393971BD0@logorocks.com>
Message-ID: <6073aef905033008191fa03e46@mail.gmail.com>

 > I've (very hastily) put together a site for a client.  It was
> necessarily rushed, and I'll be spending some time next week
> overhauling it: in the meantime, any constructive or deconstructive
> criticism will be most welcome.

Firstly, im not sure of the homepage - reminds me of a splash page or
a flash intro - no imformation and quite pointless as once your inside
you will click on clonsultant or client anyway.

Most imoprtantly you have not put any alt text on your images or on
your image map.

  add alt text to image map:  <area shape="#" coords="#" href="#"
alt="Consultants">

You have used fixed font sizes, explorer cannot enlarge/decrease fixed
sizes, change to % or em.

The site could do with more information.

The contact info could appear on evey page.

The contact page should be a web form to prevent email harvesting.

hope that helps

ben

From joshua at waetech.com  Wed Mar 30 10:23:59 2005
From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:23:59 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Illegal to link?
In-Reply-To: <1112197795.25209.23.camel@cottonmouth>
Message-ID: <mailman.2.1260243055.26980.thelist@lists.evolt.org>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Garrick S. Bodine (Shan)
> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 10:50 AM

> When challenged, it appears this kind of thing has not held up - at
> least in the US.
> 
> http://www.nolo.com/article.cfm/objectID/C13F7E6B-
> B05E-43DF-80D62B635DF9DD9F/310/266/ART/

This article at nolo.com is quite informative.  From the reading, it looks
like deep-linking may the issue with the most legal relevance.  They cited a
couple examples where the linkers (tickets.com, microsoft, for example) had
to be careful or make concessions to continue using the deep-links.  

Thank you for the information.

<><><><><><><><><><>
Joshua Olson
Web Application Engineer
WAE Tech Inc.
http://www.waetech.com/service_areas/
706.210.0168 



From dan.mccullough at gmail.com  Wed Mar 30 10:29:40 2005
From: dan.mccullough at gmail.com (Dan McCullough)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:29:40 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Site critique please!
In-Reply-To: <0424C55C-A134-11D9-998A-000393971BD0@logorocks.com>
References: <0424C55C-A134-11D9-998A-000393971BD0@logorocks.com>
Message-ID: <faf1d2bd05033008295cdc5aac@mail.gmail.com>

I tested on PC.  IE 6, Firefox, Mozilla, Netscape 7.2, Opera. 
Everything looked pretty consistent.  One thing that is a habit for me
is using the logo/headed to get back to the index, which I understand
with your navigation is taken care of.


On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 16:54:36 +0100, Chris Kavanagh <chris at logorocks.com> wrote:
> Dear list,
> 
> I've (very hastily) put together a site for a client.  It was
> necessarily rushed, and I'll be spending some time next week
> overhauling it: in the meantime, any constructive or deconstructive
> criticism will be most welcome.
> 
> Those so inclined should sharpen their long knives and head over to:
> http://www.innercircle.eu.com
> 
> Many thanks,
> CK.
> 
> --
> 
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From Ed at ComSimplicity.com  Wed Mar 30 10:30:13 2005
From: Ed at ComSimplicity.com (Ed McCarroll)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 08:30:13 -0800
Subject: [thelist] sql statement
In-Reply-To: <BAY22-F382D56CE079271EBCF152ECF460@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY22-F382D56CE079271EBCF152ECF460@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1112200213.424ad4159aa0e@webmail.comsimplicity.com>

> Well in teh case of the address it should return a match or
> nothing

Then you want an INNER JOIN.

INNER JOINs are what you get if you imply the join in the WHERE
clause.  They are also implied if you just use JOIN without INNER,
OUTER, LEFT, etc.

And if you haven't already, get a tutorial-style book on SQL.  I've
had good luck with books with titles like "Teach Yourself ... in 21
Days", "... Crash Course", and (last & least) "... For Dummies".

-- 
Ed McCarroll                                  (310) 838-4330
Ed at ComSimplicity.com            http://www.ComSimplicity.com

From dan.mccullough at gmail.com  Wed Mar 30 10:34:28 2005
From: dan.mccullough at gmail.com (Dan McCullough)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:34:28 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Illegal to link?
In-Reply-To: <00e401c53540$a1dcac20$6500a8c0@vn.shawcable.net>
References: <424ac830.07067038.083d.ffffbe6bSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.gmail.com>
	 <00e401c53540$a1dcac20$6500a8c0@vn.shawcable.net>
Message-ID: <faf1d2bd05033008344f48fd82@mail.gmail.com>

This sounds like taking the copyright idea to a new extreme.  Its a
given that if you take the information and say, oh its my own, or
something like that that it would be illegal, but they are basically
redirecting some one to a site without any claims that it the
redirectors content.

I dont see where this benefits/protects WebMD at all.

On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 07:53:33 -0800, Mark Groen <markgroen at gmail.com> wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joshua Olson" <>
> To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
> Sent: March 30, 2005 7:30 AM
> Subject: [thelist] Illegal to link?
> 
> > https://data.webmd.com/sdclive/sdcform.aspx?formid=l2uRegistration
> >
> > Anybody know if that is total BS?
> 
> According to Google it is:
> http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&safe=off&c2coff=1&q=learn+more+about+Medicare-approved+drug+discount+site%3Amy.webmd.com&btnG=Search&meta=
> 
> a French newspaper thinks it isn't, a blogosphere note on the news
> aspect of this subject:
> http://www.corante.com/mooreslore/archives/2005/03/29/google_vs_news_inc.php
> "organizations like AP, Kyodo and ... Agence France-Presse have gone
> after Google News with their lawyers. They don't want the
> competition.
> You will note, if you use Google News today, that not only are there
> no indirect links to Agence France-Presse stories..., but there are
> no direct links to AP stories, either. On the other hand, you will
> find AP all over Yahoo."
> 
> oops, looks like we did it again.
> 
> cheers,
> 
>       Mark
> 
> 
> --
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From tbrunn at pgmusic.com  Wed Mar 30 10:30:41 2005
From: tbrunn at pgmusic.com (Travis)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 08:30:41 -0800
Subject: [thelist] x-cart any good?
References: 	<5478287c3e947198ae30e6c28f9cfc1f@fstorr.demon.co.uk><4249CF2E.5020601@neptunewebworks.com><000e01c534fb$c5d6ee00$0501a8c0@cartesiapvek83><424AAA9C.2010000@wanadoo.fr><faf1d2bd050330060460b0ae7d@mail.gmail.com><424ABA11.8090400@wanadoo.fr>
	<000c01c5353c$e8336780$0501a8c0@cartesiapvek83>
Message-ID: <018301c53546$8411f780$6d0eb5d0@trav37414bc0ea>

As a slight aside to this thread, what about Miva?  I've heard good things 
about it, but have no experience with it myself.  Does anyone know if it's 
any good?

-Travis



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeroen Wijers" <info at internetvraagbaak.nl>
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 7:26 AM
Subject: Re: [thelist] x-cart any good?


>
>
>> What I mean exactly is that I read somewhere (maybe on zencart site) that 
>> the 2 guys hold the codebase for oscommerce, so it is not a normal CVS 
>> where people can contribute code changes and then those get approved 
>> (committed) by the community of developpers.
>> I'm not talking about contributions of modules which enhance and change 
>> the oscommerce you're using, I'm talking about the developpement of 
>> oscommerce codebase, the stuff you download first.
>
> I can image you saying that... today just got 25 email with updates from 
> the developerteam of oscommerce.
> Last mailing was a long time ago...
> But i am not using the CVS version, just stick to the "milestone".
> Oscommerce 2.2 MS runs on php5, if you change one line somewhere  = should 
> be  ==
> But indeed... not much reasons to say NO NOW to any other opensource 
> e-commerce solution.
>
> People holding codebases instead of having it spread over many developers 
> is i think one of the most
> difficult subject of discussion in the opensource world.
> I don;t take sides in it really... both have weak and strong points.
>
> To have another, more wild suggestion is using MAMBOPlus :) 
> http://www.mambo-phpshop.net/
>
>
>
>>
>> So why not zencart ? Is anybody has reasons to prefer oscommerce NOW ? 
>> (apart for the amount of modules/contributions available which are more 
>> important in oscommerce, but then zencart incorporate many of the 
>> functionnalities that requires tweaks and modules in oscommerce MS2.2)
>>
>> Dan McCullough wrote:
>>> I thought OSCommerce was still allowing contributions.  Interesting if
>>> they are not doing that anymore, that was a very good model and one
>>> that has work for numerous projects.
>>
>> -- 
>>
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From dan.mccullough at gmail.com  Wed Mar 30 10:36:10 2005
From: dan.mccullough at gmail.com (Dan McCullough)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:36:10 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Site critique please!
In-Reply-To: <6073aef905033008191fa03e46@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0424C55C-A134-11D9-998A-000393971BD0@logorocks.com>
	 <6073aef905033008191fa03e46@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <faf1d2bd050330083661bdf5e6@mail.gmail.com>

One other thing, forgot to mention.  In Firefox when you click from
the landing page to inside the site the window takes up the full
screen, and the nav bar is obscured on certain pages.


On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 17:19:19 +0100, ben morrison <morrison.ben at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I've (very hastily) put together a site for a client.  It was
> > necessarily rushed, and I'll be spending some time next week
> > overhauling it: in the meantime, any constructive or deconstructive
> > criticism will be most welcome.
> 
> Firstly, im not sure of the homepage - reminds me of a splash page or
> a flash intro - no imformation and quite pointless as once your inside
> you will click on clonsultant or client anyway.
> 
> Most imoprtantly you have not put any alt text on your images or on
> your image map.
> 
>  add alt text to image map:  <area shape="#" coords="#" href="#"
> alt="Consultants">
> 
> You have used fixed font sizes, explorer cannot enlarge/decrease fixed
> sizes, change to % or em.
> 
> The site could do with more information.
> 
> The contact info could appear on evey page.
> 
> The contact page should be a web form to prevent email harvesting.
> 
> hope that helps
> 
> ben
> --
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From JBNews at Tersus.com  Wed Mar 30 10:44:47 2005
From: JBNews at Tersus.com (Joel Barel)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 18:44:47 +0200
Subject: [thelist] Site critique please!
References: <0424C55C-A134-11D9-998A-000393971BD0@logorocks.com>
Message-ID: <002601c53547$c89957d0$7002a8c0@JOELB>

Once you enter into the clients/consultants space you are losing the slogan 
(360 performance.....Hand picked....). There is no way to see it 
again........

Joel.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Kavanagh" <chris at logorocks.com>
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 5:54 PM
Subject: [thelist] Site critique please!


> Dear list,
>
> I've (very hastily) put together a site for a client.  It was necessarily 
> rushed, and I'll be spending some time next week overhauling it: in the 
> meantime, any constructive or deconstructive criticism will be most 
> welcome.
>
> Those so inclined should sharpen their long knives and head over to:
> http://www.innercircle.eu.com
>
> Many thanks,
> CK.
>
> -- 
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From telvis78 at gmx.de  Wed Mar 30 10:49:12 2005
From: telvis78 at gmx.de (Tim Lorz)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 18:49:12 +0200
Subject: [thelist] Shopping cart with out using a database
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAE/OJORbZIke3ldzj8vwCLcKAAAAQAAAAXlTDGBZE6EmdAJr7RI0H+AEAAAAA@gmx.de>

Hello there,
 
I have been following this list for a rather long time now, and thought
that now might be a good time to post my first message...
 
I am looking for a way to do Shopping carts for an ecommerce website
without having a database, so only with cookies... Do you know of any
good tutorials out there, or ways I could do that?
 
Thank you all in advance, Any comments are appreciated...
 
Telvis

From dan.mccullough at gmail.com  Wed Mar 30 10:52:05 2005
From: dan.mccullough at gmail.com (Dan McCullough)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:52:05 -0500
Subject: [thelist] sql statement
In-Reply-To: <1112200213.424ad4159aa0e@webmail.comsimplicity.com>
References: <BAY22-F382D56CE079271EBCF152ECF460@phx.gbl>
	 <1112200213.424ad4159aa0e@webmail.comsimplicity.com>
Message-ID: <faf1d2bd05033008525f7a6d3a@mail.gmail.com>

I would be in the Dummies or Idiot standing at this point ... lol


On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 08:30:13 -0800, Ed McCarroll <Ed at comsimplicity.com> wrote:
> > Well in teh case of the address it should return a match or
> > nothing
> 
> Then you want an INNER JOIN.
> 
> INNER JOINs are what you get if you imply the join in the WHERE
> clause.  They are also implied if you just use JOIN without INNER,
> OUTER, LEFT, etc.
> 
> And if you haven't already, get a tutorial-style book on SQL.  I've
> had good luck with books with titles like "Teach Yourself ... in 21
> Days", "... Crash Course", and (last & least) "... For Dummies".
> 
> --
> Ed McCarroll                                  (310) 838-4330
> Ed at ComSimplicity.com            http://www.ComSimplicity.com
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From dan.mccullough at gmail.com  Wed Mar 30 10:59:44 2005
From: dan.mccullough at gmail.com (Dan McCullough)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:59:44 -0500
Subject: [thelist] x-cart any good?
In-Reply-To: <018301c53546$8411f780$6d0eb5d0@trav37414bc0ea>
References: <5478287c3e947198ae30e6c28f9cfc1f@fstorr.demon.co.uk>
	 <4249CF2E.5020601@neptunewebworks.com>
	 <000e01c534fb$c5d6ee00$0501a8c0@cartesiapvek83>
	 <424AAA9C.2010000@wanadoo.fr>
	 <faf1d2bd050330060460b0ae7d@mail.gmail.com>
	 <424ABA11.8090400@wanadoo.fr>
	 <000c01c5353c$e8336780$0501a8c0@cartesiapvek83>
	 <018301c53546$8411f780$6d0eb5d0@trav37414bc0ea>
Message-ID: <faf1d2bd05033008596e593fb4@mail.gmail.com>

I've heard lots of good things as well, however the complaints I have
heard have been about the cost of developers, software and modules. 
Just so those of you get an idea of where I am coming from I usually
am dealing with clients who have no time for anything, they have no
budget, and they have no point of reference from which to start from,
so alot of what I end up doing is education.

If you can do it yourself and you dont mind working with a system that
is more of a framework, and gives you good documentation and your the
one doing the coding.  You might want to look into Interchange. 
Interchange is free, and downloadable, modules, and some pretty good
features.  Its perl so for some thats nothing big.  Interchange
developers are pretty expesive so if you have to rely on a developer
then your going to want to go with their suggestion.


On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 08:30:41 -0800, Travis <tbrunn at pgmusic.com> wrote:
> As a slight aside to this thread, what about Miva?  I've heard good things
> about it, but have no experience with it myself.  Does anyone know if it's
> any good?
> 
> -Travis
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeroen Wijers" <info at internetvraagbaak.nl>
> To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 7:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [thelist] x-cart any good?
> 
> >
> >
> >> What I mean exactly is that I read somewhere (maybe on zencart site) that
> >> the 2 guys hold the codebase for oscommerce, so it is not a normal CVS
> >> where people can contribute code changes and then those get approved
> >> (committed) by the community of developpers.
> >> I'm not talking about contributions of modules which enhance and change
> >> the oscommerce you're using, I'm talking about the developpement of
> >> oscommerce codebase, the stuff you download first.
> >
> > I can image you saying that... today just got 25 email with updates from
> > the developerteam of oscommerce.
> > Last mailing was a long time ago...
> > But i am not using the CVS version, just stick to the "milestone".
> > Oscommerce 2.2 MS runs on php5, if you change one line somewhere  = should
> > be  ==
> > But indeed... not much reasons to say NO NOW to any other opensource
> > e-commerce solution.
> >
> > People holding codebases instead of having it spread over many developers
> > is i think one of the most
> > difficult subject of discussion in the opensource world.
> > I don;t take sides in it really... both have weak and strong points.
> >
> > To have another, more wild suggestion is using MAMBOPlus :)
> > http://www.mambo-phpshop.net/
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> So why not zencart ? Is anybody has reasons to prefer oscommerce NOW ?
> >> (apart for the amount of modules/contributions available which are more
> >> important in oscommerce, but then zencart incorporate many of the
> >> functionnalities that requires tweaks and modules in oscommerce MS2.2)
> >>
> >> Dan McCullough wrote:
> >>> I thought OSCommerce was still allowing contributions.  Interesting if
> >>> they are not doing that anymore, that was a very good model and one
> >>> that has work for numerous projects.
> >>
> >> --
> >>
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From sam at iness.com  Wed Mar 30 11:03:35 2005
From: sam at iness.com (Sam Carter)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:03:35 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Server Application Error
Message-ID: <424ADBE7.7040700@iness.com>

Honest!  I didn't do anything, but IIS on my desktop is giving 
application errors for any of the webs on my desktop.

Does anyone have a suggestion on how to gather information that will 
diagnose the problem?


  Server Application Error

The server has encountered an error while loading an application during 
the processing of your request. Please refer to the event log for more 
detail information. Please contact the server administrator for assistance.



From jay.blanchard at niicommunications.com  Wed Mar 30 11:10:03 2005
From: jay.blanchard at niicommunications.com (Jay Blanchard)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:10:03 -0600
Subject: [thelist] Shopping cart with out using a database
Message-ID: <C8F323573C030A448F3E5A2B6FE2070B08EB9069@nemesis>

[snip]
I have been following this list for a rather long time now, and thought
that now might be a good time to post my first message...
 
I am looking for a way to do Shopping carts for an ecommerce website
without having a database, so only with cookies... Do you know of any
good tutorials out there, or ways I could do that?
 
Thank you all in advance, Any comments are appreciated...
[/snip]

Since cookie size is limited, won't this cause problems?

From keith at digital-crew.com  Wed Mar 30 11:29:10 2005
From: keith at digital-crew.com (Keith Gaughan)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 18:29:10 +0100
Subject: [thelist] Shopping cart with out using a database
In-Reply-To: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAE/OJORbZIke3ldzj8vwCLcKAAAAQAAAAXlTDGBZE6EmdAJr7RI0H+AEAAAAA@gmx.de>
References: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAE/OJORbZIke3ldzj8vwCLcKAAAAQAAAAXlTDGBZE6EmdAJr7RI0H+AEAAAAA@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <424AE1E6.9010501@digital-crew.com>

Tim Lorz wrote:

> I have been following this list for a rather long time now, and thought
> that now might be a good time to post my first message...
>  
> I am looking for a way to do Shopping carts for an ecommerce website
> without having a database, so only with cookies... Do you know of any
> good tutorials out there, or ways I could do that?
>  
> Thank you all in advance, Any comments are appreciated...

By storing the cart in your session object? That's the way I've always
done it...

Now, if you're talking about where you store the list of products and
their details, that's another story.

K.

From Mark.Joslyn at SolimarSystems.com  Wed Mar 30 12:10:26 2005
From: Mark.Joslyn at SolimarSystems.com (Mark Joslyn)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 10:10:26 -0800
Subject: [thelist] php-based search engines
Message-ID: <010e01c53553$bfc120f0$870aa8c0@Corp.Solimarsystems.com>

Hi all,

I current use the Zoom search engine on my website and it works well, but I
am migrating a lot of my content to XML and parsing the XML via PHP to build
the web pages. I am using the XML pages for the content of the webpage and a
"printer-friendly" page.

Since Zoom indexes the pages offline, these new dynamic XML/PHP pages would
not be indexed since they contain no text. I cannot just index the XML files
since the results returned would return the "printer-friendly" page and no
the parsed XML/PHP page.

Is there a search engine out there that parses the pages first, then indexes
them? Preferable written in PHP.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,

markJ


From joshua at waetech.com  Wed Mar 30 12:28:23 2005
From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 13:28:23 -0500
Subject: [thelist] php-based search engines
In-Reply-To: <010e01c53553$bfc120f0$870aa8c0@Corp.Solimarsystems.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.3.1260243056.26980.thelist@lists.evolt.org>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Joslyn
> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 1:10 PM
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I current use the Zoom search engine on my website and it 
> works well, but...

> Is there a search engine out there that parses the pages 
> first, then indexes them? Preferable written in PHP.

Mark,

In spidering mode, Zoom looks at the pages post-parsing--as if it were a web
browser.  The back-end technology has no effect on the results, whatsoever.

<><><><><><><><><><>
Joshua Olson
Web Application Engineer
WAE Tech Inc.
http://www.waetech.com/service_areas/
706.210.0168 



From info at internetvraagbaak.nl  Wed Mar 30 12:40:24 2005
From: info at internetvraagbaak.nl (Jeroen Wijers)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 20:40:24 +0200
Subject: [thelist] dating - matching software php
References: <200503301831.j2UIVSwu007174@ivy.eatserver.nl>
Message-ID: <002d01c53557$ef886f10$0501a8c0@cartesiapvek83>

Has anyone experience with a good dating or matchmaking "script" in php ?
With some separable content login so to speak, so people can be shown things 
, but some is hidden to reveal after payment?
I see a lot but really have no idea what to trust or really look into...

Thanks

Jeroen

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joshua Olson" <joshua at waetech.com>
To: <Mark.Joslyn at SolimarSystems.com>; <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 8:28 PM
Subject: RE: [thelist] php-based search engines


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mark Joslyn
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 1:10 PM
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I current use the Zoom search engine on my website and it
>> works well, but...
>
>> Is there a search engine out there that parses the pages
>> first, then indexes them? Preferable written in PHP.
>
> Mark,
>
> In spidering mode, Zoom looks at the pages post-parsing--as if it were a 
> web
> browser.  The back-end technology has no effect on the results, 
> whatsoever.
>
> <><><><><><><><><><>
> Joshua Olson
> Web Application Engineer
> WAE Tech Inc.
> http://www.waetech.com/service_areas/
> 706.210.0168
>
>
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>
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From dan.mccullough at gmail.com  Wed Mar 30 12:49:30 2005
From: dan.mccullough at gmail.com (Dan McCullough)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 13:49:30 -0500
Subject: [thelist] sql statement
In-Reply-To: <faf1d2bd05033008525f7a6d3a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY22-F382D56CE079271EBCF152ECF460@phx.gbl>
	 <1112200213.424ad4159aa0e@webmail.comsimplicity.com>
	 <faf1d2bd05033008525f7a6d3a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <faf1d2bd050330104913f9948d@mail.gmail.com>

Does this monstrosity make sense.?

SELECT products.productid, products.name, products.action,
products.lg_picture, products.description, products.short, sizes.abrv
FROM products P INNER JOIN (prod_size PS ON S.sid = PS.sid WHERE
PS.productid = '"+productid+"' order by sort_order) ON
P.'"+rs.getString("short")+"' = P.productid) WHERE (((P.productid) =
'"+productid+"' order by P.sort_order));

I'm trying to combine three sql queries.  What its doing is taking a
productid, and looking up some basic information, from that tehre is a
field that points to another product, shorts, the shorts field in the
product table holds an id of the other product, and then finally the
part I am not sure will be doable in this query is querying the tables
from earlier in this thread,  "SELECT size.name FROM size S INNER JOIN
prod_size PS ON S.sid = PS.sid WHERE PS.prodid = 213".

Can that be done?  Should it be done?


On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:52:05 -0500, Dan McCullough
<dan.mccullough at gmail.com> wrote:
> I would be in the Dummies or Idiot standing at this point ... lol
> 
> 
> On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 08:30:13 -0800, Ed McCarroll <Ed at comsimplicity.com> wrote:
> > > Well in teh case of the address it should return a match or
> > > nothing
> >
> > Then you want an INNER JOIN.
> >
> > INNER JOINs are what you get if you imply the join in the WHERE
> > clause.  They are also implied if you just use JOIN without INNER,
> > OUTER, LEFT, etc.
> >
> > And if you haven't already, get a tutorial-style book on SQL.  I've
> > had good luck with books with titles like "Teach Yourself ... in 21
> > Days", "... Crash Course", and (last & least) "... For Dummies".
> >
> > --
> > Ed McCarroll                                  (310) 838-4330
> > Ed at ComSimplicity.com            http://www.ComSimplicity.com
> > --
> >
> > * * Please support the community that supports you.  * *
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> >
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> >
>

From dan.mccullough at gmail.com  Wed Mar 30 12:53:06 2005
From: dan.mccullough at gmail.com (Dan McCullough)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 13:53:06 -0500
Subject: [thelist] css question about positioning and floating
In-Reply-To: <4249A401.3010500@neptunewebworks.com>
References: <faf1d2bd0503290937667a4e1b@mail.gmail.com>
	 <4249A401.3010500@neptunewebworks.com>
Message-ID: <faf1d2bd050330105357a26c59@mail.gmail.com>

Yep
http://www.mccullough-net.com/test/example1.html
http://www.mccullough-net.com/test/example2.html


On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 10:52:49 -0800, Maximillian Schwanekamp
<lists at neptunewebworks.com> wrote:
> Dan McCullough wrote:
> > is what I have now and on most pages it works fine.  however there are
> > some pages where the text from above comes down and goes over the top
> > or the note is there away push that box down?
> 
> Oft-cited article on this topic:
> http://www.alistapart.com/articles/footers/
> 
> IMHO it's not worth the trouble to use absolute positioning for a
> footer.  Float is generally easier in the long run. Got a page URL for
> us to look at?
> 
> --
> Maximillian Von Schwanekamp
> http://www.neptunewebworks.com/
> 
> --
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From jdillon at boehm-ritter.com  Wed Mar 30 13:14:55 2005
From: jdillon at boehm-ritter.com (Jonathan Dillon)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:14:55 -0800
Subject: [thelist] x-cart any good?
In-Reply-To: <018301c53546$8411f780$6d0eb5d0@trav37414bc0ea>
Message-ID: <20050330192700.1D607518581@mx1.nexiderm.com>

> As a slight aside to this thread, what about Miva?  
> I've heard good things about it, but have no experience with it myself.
Does anyone know if it's any good?

Shudder.

I have build many ecommerce sites.  I've build them on every system so far
mentioned.

The one system which I will never, ever use again is Miva.  Here's why:

1) static page design, no web standards support
2) Mivascript.  Ugh.
3) Every piece of functionality is a third party module.  You're 800 store
will cost you 3k easy before you have enough functionality to actually run
your business properly.  Modules are the enemy.
4) Extensibility is rocket science
5) No web service support
6) Their technical support is sub-par

I DON'T recommend this solution from a technical perspective.  That said, I
have seen sites do a million dollars a month with it.  I'm of the post
bubble impression that if it sells, why knock it?

One solution not mentioned that's pretty good:
- http://www.shopsite.com/


J


From heraldgreen at gmail.com  Wed Mar 30 13:30:23 2005
From: heraldgreen at gmail.com (Derick)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 14:30:23 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Style Guide Information
Message-ID: <4916ae5005033011302b7f0110@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

I am creating a style guide for a new web dev  project and was
wondering if anyone could offer me a resource that offers some format
examples.

Thanks in advance for your feedback.

dm

From Ed at ComSimplicity.com  Wed Mar 30 13:38:07 2005
From: Ed at ComSimplicity.com (Ed McCarroll)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:38:07 -0800
Subject: [thelist] sql statement
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Dan,

I suspect you want to something that looks like this:

  SELECT P.productid, P.<fields from first product record>,
         S.abrv,
         P2.<fields from related product record>
  FROM products P
    INNER JOIN prod_size PS
      ON P.productid = PS.productid 
    INNER JOIN sizes S
      ON PS.sid = S.sid
    LEFT OUTER JOIN products P2
      <OUTER in case there is no related record>
      ON P.<related productid> = P2.productid
  WHERE <all that script stuff>
  ORDER BY P.sort_order

-- 
Ed McCarroll                                  (310) 838-4330
Ed at ComSimplicity.com            http://www.ComSimplicity.com

From evoltlist at delime.com  Wed Mar 30 14:02:24 2005
From: evoltlist at delime.com (M. Seyon)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 16:02:24 -0400
Subject: [thelist] Site critique please!
In-Reply-To: <0424C55C-A134-11D9-998A-000393971BD0@logorocks.com>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20050330154713.00a51d08@mx.delime.com>

Message from Chris Kavanagh (3/30/2005 11:54 AM)

>Dear list,
>
>I've (very hastily) put together a site for a client.
>Those so inclined should sharpen their long knives and head over to:
>http://www.innercircle.eu.com

Oooh boy my favourite. Site critiques.

What's the purpose of this site?

Is it something you're going to direct people to after you've briefed them 
on what the company is about, or is it something you hope they'll find via 
search engine or some other third party referer?

If it's the latter you may want to do a bit of a rethink. The front page 
says nothing. It's all buzzwords.

And do those links on the front page mean "existing clients login here" and 
"existing consultants login here"? Or "I want to be your client" and "I 
want to consult with you". Or "I'm a client looking for consultants."

The navigation looks pretty slick. What happens if, god forbid, someone 
wanders in with images off, however? This applies to the front page too, 
incidentally. Why is everything, even plain text links, an image?

"Inner Circle can help you pragmatically."

First off, big words are all well and good, but they can make you sound 
supercilious. And put your foot in your mouth too. I had to look up the 
word pragmatic. So you've made me feel stupid. Plus the meaning I found was 
"meddlesome" in the Oxford English Dictionary. And online at 
dictionary.com, "Active in an officious or meddlesome way." and "Dogmatic; 
dictatorial." So I'm already feeling stupid and now I think you're 
meddlesome and dictatorial, on top of being supercilious. Yup, we've 
certainly started this relationship off on the right foot.

On neither of the two initial pages, Clients or Consultants, is there any 
quick way for me to contact you. I need to go look for the navigation and 
click on the contact link. Your content isn't that heavy. Would it have 
been that hard to put the email address at the bottom? Or link to the 
contact page from within the content. See paragraph below, excerpted from 
the Consultants page.

" If you have a passion for challenges, are strong enough to demand clarity 
of objectives synchronised to success metrics, enjoy recognition with fair 
reward, and wish to perform with the elite few, [link]please contact 
us[/link]."

regards.
-marc

--
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http://www.playyuhself.com/

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From liz at zolabola.com  Wed Mar 30 14:11:59 2005
From: liz at zolabola.com (Liz Hincks)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 15:11:59 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [thelist] x-cart any good?
In-Reply-To: <20050330192700.1D607518581@mx1.nexiderm.com>
References: <018301c53546$8411f780$6d0eb5d0@trav37414bc0ea>
    <20050330192700.1D607518581@mx1.nexiderm.com>
Message-ID: <3922.130.64.198.86.1112213519.squirrel@www.zolabola.com>

Back to the original question...about X-cart...

I coded a pretty large site about 18 months ago with Xcart and it worked
great.  The client had a lot of products (about 300) and X-cart worked
well with their category->subcategory organization of the site.   My
client can now add and delete products very easily. He can also update his
top page with different "featured products". X-cart support has been good.
 Security updates are routinely released.  I learned how to do everything
I needed to know using the developer forums...where folks were very
helpful.  The product had a lot of functionality.  I customized it a whole
lot and again, it worked great.  I recommend the product.  I do remember
noticing that web standards weren't really supported in the code...but
that has probably changed by now.  Apparently they have recently released
a major upgrade which has expanded security features.

I hope this helps ...picking a shopping cart is tough!! ...every client
has different needs and budget and there are so many zillions of options!!
I hate doing it every time!

Liz
http://www.zolabola.com



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From a.r.mccoy at larc.nasa.gov  Wed Mar 30 14:14:39 2005
From: a.r.mccoy at larc.nasa.gov (Alan McCoy)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 15:14:39 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Streaming Broadcast and Archive
In-Reply-To: <000c01c5353c$e8336780$0501a8c0@cartesiapvek83>
References: 	<5478287c3e947198ae30e6c28f9cfc1f@fstorr.demon.co.uk><4249CF2E.5020601@neptunewebworks.com><000e01c534fb$c5d6ee00$0501a8c0@cartesiapvek83>
	<424AAA9C.2010000@wanadoo.fr><faf1d2bd050330060460b0ae7d@mail.gmail.com>
	<424ABA11.8090400@wanadoo.fr> <000c01c5353c$e8336780$0501a8c0@cartesiapvek83>
Message-ID: <424B08AF.3090102@larc.nasa.gov>

I've been tasked with coming up with a stable (and preferably 
cheap/free) method of broadcasting live video over the web and, at the 
same time, archiving it so people can visit the site later and view it.

I immediately thought of the Real Media server, but I haven't looked 
into that stuff for a number of years.

Is there a better way?

Thanks!

Alan

From dan.mccullough at gmail.com  Wed Mar 30 14:19:09 2005
From: dan.mccullough at gmail.com (Dan McCullough)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 15:19:09 -0500
Subject: [thelist] sql statement
In-Reply-To: <1112211487.424b001fcde6d@webmail.comsimplicity.com>
References: <BAY22-F382D56CE079271EBCF152ECF460@phx.gbl>
	 <1112200213.424ad4159aa0e@webmail.comsimplicity.com>
	 <faf1d2bd05033008525f7a6d3a@mail.gmail.com>
	 <faf1d2bd050330104913f9948d@mail.gmail.com>
	 <1112211487.424b001fcde6d@webmail.comsimplicity.com>
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wow thats awesome.  :)

now a follow up question is and this gets to where I'm seeing if what
it returned is a good thing or a bad thing.

What I got back is what I asked for, but because size is returning
more then one result, because the sizes for this product is more then
one.  what i got back was the product listed 9 times, one for each
size in the product.



On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:38:07 -0800, Ed McCarroll <Ed at comsimplicity.com> wrote:
> Dan,
> 
> I suspect you want to something that looks like this:
> 
>  SELECT P.productid, P.<fields from first product record>,
>         S.abrv,
>         P2.<fields from related product record>
>  FROM products P
>    INNER JOIN prod_size PS
>      ON P.productid = PS.productid
>    INNER JOIN sizes S
>      ON PS.sid = S.sid
>    LEFT OUTER JOIN products P2
>      <OUTER in case there is no related record>
>      ON P.<related productid> = P2.productid
>  WHERE <all that script stuff>
>  ORDER BY P.sort_order
> 
> --
> Ed McCarroll                                  (310) 838-4330
> Ed at ComSimplicity.com            http://www.ComSimplicity.com
>

From Ed at ComSimplicity.com  Wed Mar 30 14:29:37 2005
From: Ed at ComSimplicity.com (Ed McCarroll)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:29:37 -0800
Subject: [thelist] sql statement
In-Reply-To: <faf1d2bd0503301218399e4fd4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY22-F382D56CE079271EBCF152ECF460@phx.gbl>
	<1112200213.424ad4159aa0e@webmail.comsimplicity.com>
	<faf1d2bd05033008525f7a6d3a@mail.gmail.com>
	<faf1d2bd050330104913f9948d@mail.gmail.com>
	<1112211487.424b001fcde6d@webmail.comsimplicity.com>
	<faf1d2bd0503301218d915a9f@mail.gmail.com>
	<faf1d2bd0503301218399e4fd4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1112214577.424b0c316eaef@webmail.comsimplicity.com>

> > ... because size is returning more then one result, because the
> > sizes for this product is more then one.  what i got back was
> > the product listed 9 times, one for each size in the product.

If you know what size you want, add it to your WHERE clause.  

If you don't, what do you want the query to do?
-- 
Ed McCarroll                                  (310) 838-4330
Ed at ComSimplicity.com            http://www.ComSimplicity.com

From dan.mccullough at gmail.com  Wed Mar 30 14:52:47 2005
From: dan.mccullough at gmail.com (Dan McCullough)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 15:52:47 -0500
Subject: [thelist] sql statement
In-Reply-To: <1112214577.424b0c316eaef@webmail.comsimplicity.com>
References: <BAY22-F382D56CE079271EBCF152ECF460@phx.gbl>
	 <1112200213.424ad4159aa0e@webmail.comsimplicity.com>
	 <faf1d2bd05033008525f7a6d3a@mail.gmail.com>
	 <faf1d2bd050330104913f9948d@mail.gmail.com>
	 <1112211487.424b001fcde6d@webmail.comsimplicity.com>
	 <faf1d2bd0503301218d915a9f@mail.gmail.com>
	 <faf1d2bd0503301218399e4fd4@mail.gmail.com>
	 <1112214577.424b0c316eaef@webmail.comsimplicity.com>
Message-ID: <faf1d2bd050330125246e4e8ad@mail.gmail.com>

Actually I just noticed something.  name is returning the related
product name.  so the name of the product from the short field JOIN is
showing in both

SELECT 	P.productid, 
		P.name, 
		P.action, 
		P.lg_picture, 
		P.description,
		P.short,
        S.abrv,
        P2.name
 FROM products P
   INNER JOIN prod_size PS
     ON P.productid = PS.productid
   INNER JOIN sizes S
     ON PS.sid = S.sid
   LEFT OUTER JOIN products P2
     ON P.short = P2.productid
 WHERE P.productid = '27'
 ORDER BY P.sort_order					
p.productid|p.name|p.action|p.lg_picture|p.description|p.short|s.abrv|p2.name
27|Prod2|photo.jpg|prodphoto.jpg|Description...|2|YS|Prod2 
27|Prod2|photo.jpg|prodphoto.jpg|Description...|2|YM|Prod2
27|Prod2|photo.jpg|prodphoto.jpg|Description...|2|YL|Prod2 
27|Prod2|photo.jpg|prodphoto.jpg|Description...|2|S|Prod2
27|Prod2|photo.jpg|prodphoto.jpg|Description...|2|M|Prod2 
27|Prod2|photo.jpg|prodphoto.jpg|Description...|2|L|Prod2 
27|Prod2|photo.jpg|prodphoto.jpg|Description...|2|XL|Prod2 
27|Prod2|photo.jpg|prodphoto.jpg|Description...|2|XXL|Prod2 
27|Prod2|photo.jpg|prodphoto.jpg|Description...|2|XXXL|Prod2 

So what is going in both the p.name and p2.name is the the p2.name
data, the sizes, the short are both for the p table


On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:29:37 -0800, Ed McCarroll <Ed at comsimplicity.com> wrote:
> > > ... because size is returning more then one result, because the
> > > sizes for this product is more then one.  what i got back was
> > > the product listed 9 times, one for each size in the product.
> 
> If you know what size you want, add it to your WHERE clause.
> 
> If you don't, what do you want the query to do?
> --
> Ed McCarroll                                  (310) 838-4330
> Ed at ComSimplicity.com            http://www.ComSimplicity.com
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From dan.mccullough at gmail.com  Wed Mar 30 14:59:23 2005
From: dan.mccullough at gmail.com (Dan McCullough)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 15:59:23 -0500
Subject: [thelist] sql statement
In-Reply-To: <1112214577.424b0c316eaef@webmail.comsimplicity.com>
References: <BAY22-F382D56CE079271EBCF152ECF460@phx.gbl>
	 <1112200213.424ad4159aa0e@webmail.comsimplicity.com>
	 <faf1d2bd05033008525f7a6d3a@mail.gmail.com>
	 <faf1d2bd050330104913f9948d@mail.gmail.com>
	 <1112211487.424b001fcde6d@webmail.comsimplicity.com>
	 <faf1d2bd0503301218d915a9f@mail.gmail.com>
	 <faf1d2bd0503301218399e4fd4@mail.gmail.com>
	 <1112214577.424b0c316eaef@webmail.comsimplicity.com>
Message-ID: <faf1d2bd05033012591d887f75@mail.gmail.com>

You'll probably tell me that its better to do this in to queries, but
I could be wrong :)

currently this is what I have returning, to me this is not the best.
first select
27|Prod27|photo.jpg|prodphoto.jpg|Description...|2

second select
2|Prod2

third select
YS
YM
YL
S
M
L 
XL
XXL
XXXL

what i was looking for was what would be the best way to get that
information in the least taxing way.  keeping the back of my mind that
the size would probably have to be done seperate because its returning
9 rows unlike the related product which is returning at most 1 row

On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:29:37 -0800, Ed McCarroll <Ed at comsimplicity.com> wrote:
> > > ... because size is returning more then one result, because the
> > > sizes for this product is more then one.  what i got back was
> > > the product listed 9 times, one for each size in the product.
> 
> If you know what size you want, add it to your WHERE clause.
> 
> If you don't, what do you want the query to do?
> --
> Ed McCarroll                                  (310) 838-4330
> Ed at ComSimplicity.com            http://www.ComSimplicity.com
> --
> 
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From fuzzylizard at gmail.com  Wed Mar 30 15:04:52 2005
From: fuzzylizard at gmail.com (Chris Johnston)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 16:04:52 -0500
Subject: [thelist] signs of a hacker?
In-Reply-To: <f34a05b5d2f6b5313d548b8a429b544f@erikheerlein.com>
References: <f34a05b5d2f6b5313d548b8a429b544f@erikheerlein.com>
Message-ID: <a72f3110503301304948578e@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 10:52:32 -0500, Erik Heerlein <erik at erikheerlein.com> wrote:
> Someone has been repeatedly trying to buy stuff from my site using what
> seems to be made up info and each time they use a different card. It
> appears that they are just trying to see if the cards they are using
> are valid or not. I'm assuming that's the scheme.
> 
> But in checking the logs I noticed that they found my site by googling
> the keywords, "result in AVS mismatch", which pulled up my FAQ page
> which explains to the customers how a transaction can be declined if
> they do not provide a correct billing address.

There was a thread on this problem not that long ago. If you do a
search you should find it in the archives.

-- 
chris johnston

www.fuzzylizard.com

"For millions of years, mankind lived just like the animals and
something happened which unleashed the power of our imagination, we
learned to talk."
Pink Floyd

From JLIST at UNIONINTERACTIVE.COM  Wed Mar 30 15:21:13 2005
From: JLIST at UNIONINTERACTIVE.COM (JLIST EMAIL)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 16:21:13 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Anchoring a nav element to the bottom of the window
In-Reply-To: <51FE95CE-A085-11D9-8765-000393971BD0@logorocks.com>
Message-ID: <1112218109.25629@mx64a.mysite4now.com>

Hopefully this can help?
http://scott.sauyet.com/CSS/Demo/FooterDemo1.html


 


The site I'm working on will look really nice if I can anchor the nav 
to the bottom of the window: i.e. it's always fixed at the bottom, 
regardless of the user's window size, scrolling behaviour, whatever.

Does anyone know of a simple tutorial I can hit up to make this happen? 
  I haven't had much luck in Google...probably because I don't know what 
an "anchored nav element" is really called.  :\




From chris at logorocks.com  Wed Mar 30 15:29:16 2005
From: chris at logorocks.com (Chris Kavanagh)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 22:29:16 +0100
Subject: [thelist] Style Guide Information
In-Reply-To: <4916ae5005033011302b7f0110@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4916ae5005033011302b7f0110@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C48DB0F4-A162-11D9-8B72-000393971BD0@logorocks.com>

Dear Derick,

> I am creating a style guide for a new web dev  project and was
> wondering if anyone could offer me a resource that offers some format
> examples.

Here is a nice starting point for you.

http://www.designerstalk.com/corpid/

Good luck!
CK.


From mailing.lists at creed.co.uk  Wed Mar 30 15:19:58 2005
From: mailing.lists at creed.co.uk (Andy Warwick)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 22:19:58 +0100
Subject: [thelist] Need help from any mySQL gurus on the list
Message-ID: <60e394e0cf9af46ffe7a943b889d73a4@creed.co.uk>

Hi list

I'm having trouble formulating a mySQL query to return the results that 
I need.

I've got 3 tables: news_stories, news_desks and news_desk_stories, thus:


news_stories
-----------
uid		title
1		Karaoke for Comic Relief
2		New Intranet launched
3		Fundraising Effort


news_desk
---------
uid		title
1		public
2		private


news_desk_stories
---------------
story		desk
1		2
2		2
3		1
3		2


So this means that:

Karaoke for Comic Relief = private
New Intranet launched = private
Fundraising Effort = public and private

What I can't get is the SQL statement that will return only those 
stories that are private, and *only* private; so in this instance would 
return the first two, but not the third, as it is also public.

So far I have:

	SELECT    		news_stories.uid as uid, news_stories.title as title
         FROM      		news_stories, news_desk_stories
	WHERE     		news_desk_stories.story = uid
	AND	       		news_desk_stories.desk = 2"

That gets me *all* the private stories, but includes those that are 
also public at the same time.

I need some way to limit the result set so only uniquely private 
stories are returned.

Anyone?

TIA

-- 
Andy Warwick
Creed New Media. <http://www.creed.co.uk>


From Ed at ComSimplicity.com  Wed Mar 30 15:38:49 2005
From: Ed at ComSimplicity.com (Ed McCarroll)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 13:38:49 -0800
Subject: [thelist] sql statement
In-Reply-To: <faf1d2bd05033012591d887f75@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY22-F382D56CE079271EBCF152ECF460@phx.gbl>
	<1112200213.424ad4159aa0e@webmail.comsimplicity.com>
	<faf1d2bd05033008525f7a6d3a@mail.gmail.com>
	<faf1d2bd050330104913f9948d@mail.gmail.com>
	<1112211487.424b001fcde6d@webmail.comsimplicity.com>
	<faf1d2bd0503301218d915a9f@mail.gmail.com>
	<faf1d2bd0503301218399e4fd4@mail.gmail.com>
	<1112214577.424b0c316eaef@webmail.comsimplicity.com>
	<faf1d2bd05033012591d887f75@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1112218729.424b1c6958b62@webmail.comsimplicity.com>

I need to know/see:
- What do you want your final result to look like.
- What exact queries are you using to get the results
  you're showing me.
-- 
Ed McCarroll                                  (310) 838-4330
Ed at ComSimplicity.com            http://www.ComSimplicity.com

From cgeorge at basecorp.com  Wed Mar 30 15:42:40 2005
From: cgeorge at basecorp.com (Chris George)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 14:42:40 -0700
Subject: [thelist] Create a KB in SharePoint
Message-ID: <6FC38116547DC24FAE1971330795194B21210E@basefs01.corp.basecorp.com>

Hey all,

I was wondering if anyone could suggest how to create a fairly decent
Knowledgebase in SharePoint... 

Thanks!

Chris.

--
Chris George, Web Developer/ Application Specialist

From Ed at ComSimplicity.com  Wed Mar 30 15:44:08 2005
From: Ed at ComSimplicity.com (Ed McCarroll)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 13:44:08 -0800
Subject: [thelist] sql statement
In-Reply-To: <faf1d2bd050330125246e4e8ad@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY22-F382D56CE079271EBCF152ECF460@phx.gbl>
	<1112200213.424ad4159aa0e@webmail.comsimplicity.com>
	<faf1d2bd05033008525f7a6d3a@mail.gmail.com>
	<faf1d2bd050330104913f9948d@mail.gmail.com>
	<1112211487.424b001fcde6d@webmail.comsimplicity.com>
	<faf1d2bd0503301218d915a9f@mail.gmail.com>
	<faf1d2bd0503301218399e4fd4@mail.gmail.com>
	<1112214577.424b0c316eaef@webmail.comsimplicity.com>
	<faf1d2bd050330125246e4e8ad@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1112219048.424b1da80a96a@webmail.comsimplicity.com>

I don't see how that could be happening.  Are these exact cut&pastes
of the query and column titles?

> the name of the product from the short field JOIN is
> showing in both
> 
> SELECT P.productid, P.name, P.action, P.lg_picture, 
>   P.description, P.short,
>   S.abrv,
>   P2.name
> FROM products P
>   INNER JOIN prod_size PS
>     ON P.productid = PS.productid
>   INNER JOIN sizes S
>     ON PS.sid = S.sid
>   LEFT OUTER JOIN products P2
>     ON P.short = P2.productid
> WHERE P.productid = '27'
> ORDER BY P.sort_order
>
p.productid|p.name|p.action|p.lg_picture|p.description|p.short|s.abrv|p2.name
> 27|Prod2|photo.jpg|prodphoto.jpg|Description...|2|YS|Prod2 
> 27|Prod2|photo.jpg|prodphoto.jpg|Description...|2|YM|Prod2

-- 
Ed McCarroll                                  (310) 838-4330
Ed at ComSimplicity.com            http://www.ComSimplicity.com

From rharb at earthling.net  Wed Mar 30 16:16:49 2005
From: rharb at earthling.net (Richard Harb)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 00:16:49 +0200
Subject: [thelist] Need help from any mySQL gurus on the list
In-Reply-To: <60e394e0cf9af46ffe7a943b889d73a4@creed.co.uk>
References: <60e394e0cf9af46ffe7a943b889d73a4@creed.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1694091164.20050331001649@earthling.net>

SELECT ns.uid, ns.title, nd.title
FROM news_stories ns
JOIN news_desk_stories nds ON ns.uid=nds.story
JOIN news_desk nd ON nd.uid=nds.desk
WHERE nd.title = 'private'

(untested)

-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Warwick
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005, 11:19:58 PM
> Hi list

> I'm having trouble formulating a mySQL query to return the results that 
> I need.

> I've got 3 tables: news_stories, news_desks and news_desk_stories, thus:


> news_stories
> -----------
> uid             title
> 1               Karaoke for Comic Relief
> 2               New Intranet launched
> 3               Fundraising Effort


> news_desk
> ---------
> uid             title
> 1               public
> 2               private


> news_desk_stories
> ---------------
> story           desk
> 1               2
> 2               2
> 3               1
> 3               2


> So this means that:

> Karaoke for Comic Relief = private
> New Intranet launched = private
> Fundraising Effort = public and private

> What I can't get is the SQL statement that will return only those 
> stories that are private, and *only* private; so in this instance would 
> return the first two, but not the third, as it is also public.

> So far I have:

>         SELECT                  news_stories.uid as uid, news_stories.title as title
>          FROM                   news_stories, news_desk_stories
>         WHERE                   news_desk_stories.story = uid
>         AND                     news_desk_stories.desk = 2"

> That gets me *all* the private stories, but includes those that are 
> also public at the same time.

> I need some way to limit the result set so only uniquely private 
> stories are returned.

> Anyone?

> TIA

> -- 
> Andy Warwick
> Creed New Media. <http://www.creed.co.uk>



From mwarden at gmail.com  Wed Mar 30 16:19:10 2005
From: mwarden at gmail.com (Matt Warden)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 17:19:10 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Need help from any mySQL gurus on the list
In-Reply-To: <60e394e0cf9af46ffe7a943b889d73a4@creed.co.uk>
References: <60e394e0cf9af46ffe7a943b889d73a4@creed.co.uk>
Message-ID: <bbc8fa4305033014193f1985a9@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Andy,

On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 22:19:58 +0100, Andy Warwick
<mailing.lists at creed.co.uk> wrote:
> That gets me *all* the private stories, but includes those that are
> also public at the same time.

Before I go build some crazy query to get around how most versions of
MySQL don't support subqueries, could you confirm the version of MySQL
you are using here?

Thanks,

-- 
Matt Warden
Miami University
Oxford, OH, USA
http://mattwarden.com


This email proudly and graciously contributes to entropy.

From Ed at ComSimplicity.com  Wed Mar 30 16:24:34 2005
From: Ed at ComSimplicity.com (Ed McCarroll)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 14:24:34 -0800
Subject: [thelist] Need help from any mySQL gurus on the list
In-Reply-To: <60e394e0cf9af46ffe7a943b889d73a4@creed.co.uk>
References: <60e394e0cf9af46ffe7a943b889d73a4@creed.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1112221474.424b27229d117@webmail.comsimplicity.com>

> I need some way to limit the result set so only uniquely private 
> stories are returned.

I?m not sure how MySQL does sub-queries, but in SQL Server, this would
work:

SELECT S.uid as uid, S.title as title
FROM news_stories as S, news_desk_stories as D
WHERE D.story = uid
  AND D.desk = 2"
  AND S.uid NOT IN
    (
    SELECT S2.uid
    FROM news_stories as S2, news_desk_stories as D2
    WHERE D2.story = S2.uid
      AND D2.desk <> 1"
    )
-- 
Ed McCarroll  (310) 838-4330
Ed at ComSimplicity.com http://www.ComSimplicity.com

From norman.bunn at craftedsolutions.com  Wed Mar 30 16:35:59 2005
From: norman.bunn at craftedsolutions.com (Norman Bunn)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 17:35:59 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Streaming Broadcast and Archive
In-Reply-To: <424B08AF.3090102@larc.nasa.gov>
References: 	<5478287c3e947198ae30e6c28f9cfc1f@fstorr.demon.co.uk><4249CF2E.5020601@neptunewebworks.com><000e01c534fb$c5d6ee00$0501a8c0@cartesiapvek83>
	<424AAA9C.2010000@wanadoo.fr><faf1d2bd050330060460b0ae7d@mail.gmail.com>
	<424ABA11.8090400@wanadoo.fr> <000c01c5353c$e8336780$0501a8c0@cartesiapvek83>
	<424B08AF.3090102@larc.nasa.gov>
Message-ID: <424B29CF.1070505@craftedsolutions.com>

Alan,

John H. on this list is working on something similar in audio.  Perhaps 
he can shed some light on video as well.

Norman

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norman.bunn at craftedsolutions.com
803.405.1008
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Alan McCoy wrote:

> I've been tasked with coming up with a stable (and preferably 
> cheap/free) method of broadcasting live video over the web and, at the 
> same time, archiving it so people can visit the site later and view it.
>
> I immediately thought of the Real Media server, but I haven't looked 
> into that stuff for a number of years.
>
> Is there a better way?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Alan



From Ed at ComSimplicity.com  Wed Mar 30 16:40:28 2005
From: Ed at ComSimplicity.com (Ed McCarroll)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 14:40:28 -0800
Subject: [thelist] Need help from any mySQL gurus on the list
In-Reply-To: <1112221474.424b27229d117@webmail.comsimplicity.com>
References: <60e394e0cf9af46ffe7a943b889d73a4@creed.co.uk>
	<1112221474.424b27229d117@webmail.comsimplicity.com>
Message-ID: <1112222428.424b2adc6eaf3@webmail.comsimplicity.com>

My bad.

"Starting with MySQL 4.1, all subquery forms and operations that the
SQL standard requires are supported, as well as a few features that
are MySQL-specific."

from: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql/en/subqueries.html

-- 
Ed McCarroll                                  (310) 838-4330
Ed at ComSimplicity.com            http://www.ComSimplicity.com


Quoting Ed McCarroll <Ed at ComSimplicity.com>:

> > I need some way to limit the result set so only uniquely private
> 
> > stories are returned.
> 
> I?m not sure how MySQL does sub-queries, but in SQL Server, this
> would
> work:
> 
> SELECT S.uid as uid, S.title as title
> FROM news_stories as S, news_desk_stories as D
> WHERE D.story = uid
>   AND D.desk = 2"
>   AND S.uid NOT IN
>     (
>     SELECT S2.uid
>     FROM news_stories as S2, news_desk_stories as D2
>     WHERE D2.story = S2.uid
>       AND D2.desk <> 1"
>     )
> -- 
> Ed McCarroll  (310) 838-4330
> Ed at ComSimplicity.com http://www.ComSimplicity.com
> 

From mailing.lists at creed.co.uk  Wed Mar 30 16:42:11 2005
From: mailing.lists at creed.co.uk (Andy Warwick)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 23:42:11 +0100
Subject: [thelist] Need help from any mySQL gurus on the list
In-Reply-To: <bbc8fa4305033014193f1985a9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <60e394e0cf9af46ffe7a943b889d73a4@creed.co.uk>
	<bbc8fa4305033014193f1985a9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <13d2dc041e84fbf2e016c7b94dae035e@creed.co.uk>

On 30 Mar 2005, at 23:19, Matt Warden wrote:

> Hi Andy,
>
> On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 22:19:58 +0100, Andy Warwick
> <mailing.lists at creed.co.uk> wrote:
>> That gets me *all* the private stories, but includes those that are
>> also public at the same time.
>
> Before I go build some crazy query to get around how most versions of
> MySQL don't support subqueries, could you confirm the version of MySQL
> you are using here?

Hi Matt.

Don't sweat it.

A very old one :)

I've hacked up a solution in the surrounding PHP; it 'aint purdy but it 
works.

The problem has been a last-minute change of specs from the client that 
the database structure was never designed to fulfill, and now the 
database is full of data and I don't have access to change the 
structure.

<sigh>

Basically I bail out of that iteration of the loop if there's more than 
one desk for that story.

I'm not proud of the code, but they've had the specs for months, and 
only decide to change it in the last week before deployment.

On 30 Mar 2005, at 23:16, Richard Harb wrote:

> SELECT ns.uid, ns.title, nd.title
> FROM news_stories ns
> JOIN news_desk_stories nds ON ns.uid=nds.story
> JOIN news_desk nd ON nd.uid=nds.desk
> WHERE nd.title = 'private'

Thx Richard; I'll have a look at that after the project has gone to bed 
and see if it would have helped. For now, I'll just go with a hack :)

Cheers anyway; always useful to have this kind of stuff for future 
reference.

Thx both.

-- 
Andy Warwick
Creed New Media. <http://www.creed.co.uk>


From Ken at adOpenStatic.com  Wed Mar 30 17:09:40 2005
From: Ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 09:09:40 +1000
Subject: [thelist] Server Application Error
Message-ID: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E6914B889@kjserver1.kjhome.local>

You see the bit about referring to the Event Log for more information? Do
that. If you are unsure about how to proceed with a particular event that has
been logged, please post the Event ID, Source and Description fields.

Thanks

Cheers
Ken

--
www.adOpenStatic.com/cs/blogs/ken/ 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-
: bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Sam Carter
: Subject: [thelist] Server Application Error
: 
: Honest!  I didn't do anything, but IIS on my desktop is giving
: application errors for any of the webs on my desktop.
: 
: Does anyone have a suggestion on how to gather information that will
: diagnose the problem?
: 
: 
:   Server Application Error
: 
: The server has encountered an error while loading an application during
: the processing of your request. Please refer to the event log for more
: detail information. Please contact the server administrator for
: assistance.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

From mwarden at gmail.com  Wed Mar 30 17:23:14 2005
From: mwarden at gmail.com (Matt Warden)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 18:23:14 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Need help from any mySQL gurus on the list
In-Reply-To: <1694091164.20050331001649@earthling.net>
References: <60e394e0cf9af46ffe7a943b889d73a4@creed.co.uk>
	 <1694091164.20050331001649@earthling.net>
Message-ID: <bbc8fa4305033015232f6487d9@mail.gmail.com>

Richard,

On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 00:16:49 +0200, Richard Harb <rharb at earthling.net> wrote:
> SELECT ns.uid, ns.title, nd.title
> FROM news_stories ns
> JOIN news_desk_stories nds ON ns.uid=nds.story
> JOIN news_desk nd ON nd.uid=nds.desk
> WHERE nd.title = 'private'

This would still return id=3, which is both private and public. Andy
wanted only results where the desk was *strictly* private (i.e., no
other desk).

I am actually not sure how one could do this with a single query,
without subquery support. It would certainly require a negated self
join.

This is untested and probably will not work. But, I'm still throwing
it out there because I think it's in the right direction:

SELECT ns.uid, ns.title
FROM news_stories s, news_desk_stories ds, news_desk d 
LEFT OUTER JOIN news_desk_stories ds2 
      ON ds2.story = ds.story AND ds2.desk != ds.desk
WHERE s.uid = ds.story 
      AND d.uid = ds.desk
      AND d.title = 'private'
      AND ds2.story IS NULL

Basically, I am joining the three tables normally. Then, additionally,
I am performing an join (outer) again on news_desk_stories, joining
new_desk_stories with itself on the condition that story=story (so,
the same story). The second join condition is that the desks are
different. If these two conditions are satisfied, then this means
there are more than one desks assigned. We don't want this. Since it's
an outer join, when the condition is not satisfied, the left table
results will still be returned, and the right side of the result will
be NULLs. So, we filter on this NULL (which means that there was only
one desk assigned, and it was 'private').

Give it a shot. Tweak it if you can. This is an intriguing problem, so
if it doesn't work and you'd like further help, I'm willing (if you
sent me the SQL you used to create these tables, it would make it
easier for me to work it out on my local MySQL instance).

Hope this helps.

-- 
Matt Warden
Miami University
Oxford, OH, USA
http://mattwarden.com


This email proudly and graciously contributes to entropy.

From rharb at earthling.net  Wed Mar 30 18:23:56 2005
From: rharb at earthling.net (Richard Harb)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 02:23:56 +0200
Subject: [thelist] Need help from any mySQL gurus on the list
In-Reply-To: <bbc8fa4305033015232f6487d9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <60e394e0cf9af46ffe7a943b889d73a4@creed.co.uk>
 <1694091164.20050331001649@earthling.net>
 <bbc8fa4305033015232f6487d9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1136679251.20050331022356@earthling.net>

Well, once again I didn't read the request carefully enough. My apologies and
thank you Matt for pointing it out and providing the answer.

Your query works perfectly fine: I created the tables using the data Andy
provided and tried it...

Since I came to like the syntax using JOINS I include it as well for
completeness' sake.

SELECT s.uid, s.title
FROM news_stories s
INNER JOIN news_desk_stories ds ON s.uid=ds.story
INNER JOIN news_desk d ON d.uid=ds.desk
LEFT JOIN news_desk_stories ds2 ON ds2.story=ds.story AND ds2.desk!=ds.desk
WHERE d.title = 'private'
    AND ds2.story IS NULL


-----Original Message-----
From: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005, 1:23:14 AM
> Richard,

> On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 00:16:49 +0200, Richard Harb <rharb at earthling.net> wrote:
>> SELECT ns.uid, ns.title, nd.title
>> FROM news_stories ns
>> JOIN news_desk_stories nds ON ns.uid=nds.story
>> JOIN news_desk nd ON nd.uid=nds.desk
>> WHERE nd.title = 'private'

> This would still return id=3, which is both private and public. Andy
> wanted only results where the desk was *strictly* private (i.e., no
> other desk).

> I am actually not sure how one could do this with a single query,
> without subquery support. It would certainly require a negated self
> join.

> This is untested and probably will not work. But, I'm still throwing
> it out there because I think it's in the right direction:

> SELECT ns.uid, ns.title
> FROM news_stories s, news_desk_stories ds, news_desk d 
> LEFT OUTER JOIN news_desk_stories ds2 
>       ON ds2.story = ds.story AND ds2.desk != ds.desk
> WHERE s.uid = ds.story 
>       AND d.uid = ds.desk
>       AND d.title = 'private'
>       AND ds2.story IS NULL

> Basically, I am joining the three tables normally. Then, additionally,
> I am performing an join (outer) again on news_desk_stories, joining
> new_desk_stories with itself on the condition that story=story (so,
> the same story). The second join condition is that the desks are
> different. If these two conditions are satisfied, then this means
> there are more than one desks assigned. We don't want this. Since it's
> an outer join, when the condition is not satisfied, the left table
> results will still be returned, and the right side of the result will
> be NULLs. So, we filter on this NULL (which means that there was only
> one desk assigned, and it was 'private').

> Give it a shot. Tweak it if you can. This is an intriguing problem, so
> if it doesn't work and you'd like further help, I'm willing (if you
> sent me the SQL you used to create these tables, it would make it
> easier for me to work it out on my local MySQL instance).

> Hope this helps.

> -- 
> Matt Warden
> Miami University
> Oxford, OH, USA
> http://mattwarden.com


> This email proudly and graciously contributes to entropy.


From roblgs at cscoms.com  Wed Mar 30 19:31:01 2005
From: roblgs at cscoms.com (Rob Schumann)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 08:31:01 +0700
Subject: [thelist] Illegal to link?
In-Reply-To: <faf1d2bd05033008344f48fd82@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <r02010400-1038-8AFFB93FA18411D9A181003065B8E592@[192.168.1.3]>

Dan,

On 30-03-2005at 11:34, dan.mccullough at gmail.com (Dan
McCullough) wrote:

 > This sounds like taking the copyright idea to a new
 > extreme. Its a given that if you take the information
 > and say, oh its my own, or something like that that it
 > would be illegal, but they are basically redirecting
 > some one to a site without any claims that it the
 > redirectors content.
 > 
 > I dont see where this benefits/protects WebMD at all.

I could not agree with you more... looks like another
example of common sense taking a back seat. What possible
benefit/protection does such a stance give to WebMD,
errecting barriers like this to people to simply provide a
link back to content on your website... providing as it does
a network of free advertising.

This isn't going to get the bad guys at all and could even,
perversely, encourage outright content theft by serving to
actively discourage some of the good ones from linking in at
all... Deep linking or otherwise, it's all links into your
website, afterall.

But then I have no legal grounding!

Regards

Rob

From evoltlist at delime.com  Wed Mar 30 19:53:21 2005
From: evoltlist at delime.com (M. Seyon)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 21:53:21 -0400
Subject: [thelist] Illegal to link?
In-Reply-To: <r02010400-1038-8AFFB93FA18411D9A181003065B8E592@[192.168.1
 .3]>
References: <faf1d2bd05033008344f48fd82@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20050330214917.0278e348@mx.delime.com>

Message from Rob Schumann (3/30/2005 09:31 PM)


>On 30-03-2005at 11:34, dan.mccullough at gmail.com (Dan
>McCullough) wrote:
>
>  >
>  > I dont see where this benefits/protects WebMD at all.
>
>I could not agree with you more... looks like another
>example of common sense taking a back seat. What possible
>benefit/protection does such a stance give to WebMD,
>errecting barriers like this

I have one vague explanation here and I'm not even suggesting this 
reasoning is logical, but I understand that there are a lot of websites 
dispensing very arbitrary medical advice. Perhaps WebMD doesn't want to end 
up in a list that includes those sorts of sites.

regards.
-marc

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From scott at wolpow.com  Thu Mar 31 00:05:18 2005
From: scott at wolpow.com (Scott Wolpow)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 01:05:18 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Actionscript
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050331005925.02bed380@n4277491.securesites.net>

I need an Flash actionscript that allows the user to select a number of 
varibles, verify that they choose all the settings, create a string in a 
link and on click go to that url.
ie
Choose metal
white gold
yellow gold


choose ring size
5
5.5
6
6.5

Choose width
2 mm
3mm

choose style
milgrain

on click go to
somedomain.com/search?%metal%+%ring%+%width%+%style%

I can not use javascript on the page, but I can embed a flash movie
If anyone has an ideas let me know.
Thanks
Scott Wolpow


From andrew at milords.com  Thu Mar 31 01:24:20 2005
From: andrew at milords.com (A Maynes)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 08:24:20 +0100
Subject: [thelist] dating - matching software php
In-Reply-To: <002d01c53557$ef886f10$0501a8c0@cartesiapvek83>
Message-ID: <000201c535c2$a82fce40$4c64a8c0@WEBALIZER>

Have you looked at hotscripts?

There are a couple there that claim to be the same that are used my
match





> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeroen Wijers [mailto:info at internetvraagbaak.nl] 
> Sent: 30 March 2005 19:40
> To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Subject: [thelist] dating - matching software php
> 
> 
> Has anyone experience with a good dating or matchmaking 
> "script" in php ? With some separable content login so to 
> speak, so people can be shown things 
> , but some is hidden to reveal after payment?
> I see a lot but really have no idea what to trust or really 
> look into...
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Jeroen
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Joshua Olson" <joshua at waetech.com>
> To: <Mark.Joslyn at SolimarSystems.com>; <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 8:28 PM
> Subject: RE: [thelist] php-based search engines
> 
> 
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Mark Joslyn
> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 1:10 PM
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> I current use the Zoom search engine on my website and it 
> works well, 
> >> but...
> >
> >> Is there a search engine out there that parses the pages 
> first, then 
> >> indexes them? Preferable written in PHP.
> >
> > Mark,
> >
> > In spidering mode, Zoom looks at the pages post-parsing--as 
> if it were 
> > a
> > web
> > browser.  The back-end technology has no effect on the results, 
> > whatsoever.
> >
> > <><><><><><><><><><>
> > Joshua Olson
> > Web Application Engineer
> > WAE Tech Inc.
> > http://www.waetech.com/service_areas/
> > 706.210.0168
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > * * Please support the community that supports you.  * * 
> > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
> >
> > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and 
> > archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers 
> of the Web, 
> > evolt !
> > 
> 
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From juha.suni at ilmiantajat.fi  Thu Mar 31 01:22:35 2005
From: juha.suni at ilmiantajat.fi (Juha Suni)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:22:35 +0300
Subject: [thelist] Prevent a request from redirecting browser....
References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050331005925.02bed380@n4277491.securesites.net>
Message-ID: <014901c535c2$69997780$3300a8c0@tavutykki>

Note:
I already sent this yesterday, but accidentally using my other email alias,
which isn't registered to thelist and caused it to wait for moderator
approval. Since I have not seen the post come up yet, Here is a repost.
Sorry if this gets duplicated, but I thought it would be good to get this
solution out while it's still needed and useful.

Jay Blanchard wrote:
> Good morning!
>
> Here is the scenario. You have created an application that will be
> used in-house. It is opened in a browser window where, via
> JavaScript, you have eliminated all but the title bar.
>
> If it is the only browser window open and you click a link in an
> e-mail you have received that link proceeds to load in your
> application window, which is not a good thing because you might lose
> application data since you have the back button disabled (as much as
> it can be).
>
> Here is the question. Does anyone know of a way to prevent the site
> from opening in the browser window or having the newly clicked site
> open in a new browser window? I have in my mind something like a
> JavaScript interception.....

This problem sounded interesting, since I've been creating a lot of web apps
lately, most usually dealing with multiple windows and possible popups, and
I have periodically stumbled upon this same problem. I never really had the
energy to tackle it though, but I decided to give it a try now. It was
surprisingly easy. (scroll to bottom for solution, first a brief
explanation).

One thing I have learned that when opening links in windows, it has most to
do with the window name. If a window with the specified name (target
attribute of the anchor element) already exists, the link opens up there,
otherwise a new window is created.

So I decided to do a little test. I made a simple page the upon loading
shows the window name with javascript (<body onload="alert(self.name);">).
Using the most popular stuff (IE 6/Win, Outlook Express) I found out that
loading the page normally (without an email link) resulted in the window
having no name at all. If I opened the same page from a link within Outlook
Express, the window had the name "_unspecifiedFrame".

Thus, if I had no IE windows open, or if all the open windows had been
opened by clicking the IE icon (i.e. not with an email link), the email link
would open up a new window. The next email link would however use this same
window, since it already had the name "_unspecifiedFrame".

So how do you fix this? Simple. Just make sure you web app always
automatically sets its name spcifically to something of your own taste.
After this only links within that window, or exteral links with that window
set specifically as target, use that window. So add the short piece of
javascript to the head-element of the pages in your app:

<script language="JavaScript" type="text/JavaScript">
<!--
self.name='myappwindow';
//-->
</script>

Alternatively, to avoid using javascript, when you open the actual popup
(like in Jay's case), use the target attribute to define the window name.

Since I still had only limited time, I did not test out with other email
clients and browsers. I still am rather certain that all email clients set
some kind of default target attribute to links they create, and it would
certainly be weird if even ignoring that, they had no respect whatsoever on
the existing windows and their names when deciding whether to spawn a new
window or not.

To test it out, try clicking the following link several times. If you have
javascript enabled, it should spawn a new window every time (given enough
time for the previous to finish loading, which is not much).

http://www.ilmiantajat.net/testing/zuni/

Hope that helps, and please let me know of any problems. I'd be happy to
implement this completely to my existing applications.

--
Suni


From info at internetvraagbaak.nl  Thu Mar 31 02:09:16 2005
From: info at internetvraagbaak.nl (Jeroen Wijers)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:09:16 +0200
Subject: [thelist] dating - matching software php
References: <000201c535c2$a82fce40$4c64a8c0@WEBALIZER>
Message-ID: <000801c535c8$eeab9240$0501a8c0@cartesiapvek83>




> Have you looked at hotscripts?
>
> There are a couple there that claim to be the same that are used my
> match

Yes i looked there too...but i as wondering if some one had some personal 
experience..there are so many scripts
for very different prices... so before i invest i like to hear some 
findings..

thanks!
jeroen

>
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jeroen Wijers [mailto:info at internetvraagbaak.nl]
>> Sent: 30 March 2005 19:40
>> To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
>> Subject: [thelist] dating - matching software php
>>
>>
>> Has anyone experience with a good dating or matchmaking
>> "script" in php ? With some separable content login so to
>> speak, so people can be shown things
>> , but some is hidden to reveal after payment?
>> I see a lot but really have no idea what to trust or really
>> look into...
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Jeroen
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Joshua Olson" <joshua at waetech.com>
>> To: <Mark.Joslyn at SolimarSystems.com>; <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 8:28 PM
>> Subject: RE: [thelist] php-based search engines
>>
>>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Mark Joslyn
>> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 1:10 PM
>> >>
>> >> Hi all,
>> >>
>> >> I current use the Zoom search engine on my website and it
>> works well,
>> >> but...
>> >
>> >> Is there a search engine out there that parses the pages
>> first, then
>> >> indexes them? Preferable written in PHP.
>> >
>> > Mark,
>> >
>> > In spidering mode, Zoom looks at the pages post-parsing--as
>> if it were
>> > a
>> > web
>> > browser.  The back-end technology has no effect on the results,
>> > whatsoever.
>> >
>> > <><><><><><><><><><>
>> > Joshua Olson
>> > Web Application Engineer
>> > WAE Tech Inc.
>> > http://www.waetech.com/service_areas/
>> > 706.210.0168
>> >
>> >
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From roel.mulder at gmail.com  Thu Mar 31 07:29:10 2005
From: roel.mulder at gmail.com (Roel Mulder)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:29:10 +0200
Subject: [thelist] php-based search engines
In-Reply-To: <010e01c53553$bfc120f0$870aa8c0@Corp.Solimarsystems.com>
References: <010e01c53553$bfc120f0$870aa8c0@Corp.Solimarsystems.com>
Message-ID: <3cda4888050331052949ef8480@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Mark,
You could cast a glance at Fluid Dynamics Search Engine :
http://www.xav.com/scripts/search/   It works very well for several
websites.
It runs at the web server and can both spider remote, or index files
on the file system. The Perl script can be integrated in a PHP
template system as well.

When it spiders remote, the pages get parsed, then indexed. You can
run a nightly crontab to keep the index actual.

Regards,
Roel

On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 10:10:26 -0800, Mark Joslyn
<Mark.Joslyn at solimarsystems.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I current use the Zoom search engine on my website and it works well, but I
> am migrating a lot of my content to XML and parsing the XML via PHP to build
> the web pages. I am using the XML pages for the content of the webpage and a
> "printer-friendly" page.
> 
> Since Zoom indexes the pages offline, these new dynamic XML/PHP pages would
> not be indexed since they contain no text. I cannot just index the XML files
> since the results returned would return the "printer-friendly" page and no
> the parsed XML/PHP page.
> 
> Is there a search engine out there that parses the pages first, then indexes
> them? Preferable written in PHP.
> 
> Any help would be appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> markJ
> 
> --

From davidfelton at codemasters.com  Thu Mar 31 08:00:15 2005
From: davidfelton at codemasters.com (David Felton)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:00:15 +0100
Subject: [thelist] wierd results from mktime
Message-ID: <EC8809603B906D40BDBC0849F4882C650B2D5CD3@pat.codemasters.local>

Can any one explain why when I run:

<?php
print"1st month: ".date("F Y",mktime(0,0,0,1))."<br>";
print"2nd month: ".date("F Y",mktime(0,0,0,2))."<br>";
print"3rd month: ".date("F Y",mktime(0,0,0,3))."<br>";
print"4th month: ".date("F Y",mktime(0,0,0,4))."<br>";
?>

I get the following output?

1st month: January 2005
2nd month: March 2005
3rd month: March 2005
4th month: May 2005



 - think it's something to do with today's date. Can anyone confirm they get
the same?



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From davidfelton at codemasters.com  Thu Mar 31 08:14:20 2005
From: davidfelton at codemasters.com (David Felton)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:14:20 +0100
Subject: [thelist] RE: wierd results from mktime
Message-ID: <EC8809603B906D40BDBC0849F4882C650B2D5D15@pat.codemasters.local>

Ah, I see what's happening, I'm trying to grab the 31st day of Feb, which is
why it's popping out as March, I've updated it to this:

<?php
print"1st month: ".date("F Y",mktime(0,0,0,1,1))."<br>";
print"2nd month: ".date("F Y",mktime(0,0,0,2,1))."<br>";
print"3rd month: ".date("F Y",mktime(0,0,0,3,1))."<br>";
print"4th month: ".date("F Y",mktime(0,0,0,4,1))."<br>";
?>

 - which works

-----Original Message-----
From: David Felton 
Sent: 31 March 2005 15:00
To: 'thelist at lists.evolt.org'
Subject: wierd results from mktime


Can any one explain why when I run:

<?php
print"1st month: ".date("F Y",mktime(0,0,0,1))."<br>";
print"2nd month: ".date("F Y",mktime(0,0,0,2))."<br>";
print"3rd month: ".date("F Y",mktime(0,0,0,3))."<br>";
print"4th month: ".date("F Y",mktime(0,0,0,4))."<br>";
?>

I get the following output?

1st month: January 2005
2nd month: March 2005
3rd month: March 2005
4th month: May 2005



 - think it's something to do with today's date. Can anyone confirm they get
the same?



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From andrew at milords.com  Thu Mar 31 08:23:14 2005
From: andrew at milords.com (A Maynes)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:23:14 +0100
Subject: [thelist] PHP IMAP
In-Reply-To: <EC8809603B906D40BDBC0849F4882C650B2D5CD3@pat.codemasters.local>
Message-ID: <000a01c535fd$2cd3c040$4c64a8c0@WEBALIZER>

Does anyone have a snippet of code that can throw out the entire email
message into a webpage?  I can get the header to display but nothng
else, which is annoying.

Thank you ia


From jay.blanchard at niicommunications.com  Thu Mar 31 08:27:49 2005
From: jay.blanchard at niicommunications.com (Jay Blanchard)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 08:27:49 -0600
Subject: [thelist] wierd results from mktime
Message-ID: <C8F323573C030A448F3E5A2B6FE2070B08EB9073@nemesis>

[snip]
<?php
print"1st month: ".date("F Y",mktime(0,0,0,1))."<br>";
print"2nd month: ".date("F Y",mktime(0,0,0,2))."<br>";
print"3rd month: ".date("F Y",mktime(0,0,0,3))."<br>";
print"4th month: ".date("F Y",mktime(0,0,0,4))."<br>";
?>

I get the following output?

1st month: January 2005
2nd month: March 2005
3rd month: March 2005
4th month: May 2005
[/snip]

from http://www.php.net/mktime

"Warning: Note the strange order of arguments, which differs from the
order of arguments in a regular Unix mktime() call and which does not
lend itself well to leaving out parameters from right to left (see
below). It is a common error to mix these values up in a script."

You are leaving out day and year past the month.

From lists at onlinetools.org  Thu Mar 31 08:23:38 2005
From: lists at onlinetools.org (Chris Heilmann)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:23:38 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [thelist] Regular expression help (PHP)
Message-ID: <56436.80.85.75.20.1112279018.squirrel@webmail01.nwu.net>


I am working on an automatic navigation highlight script which uses an
HTML template and removes the current link:
http://www.onlinetools.org/tests/easynav/
http://www.onlinetools.org/tests/easynav/easynav.txt

The problem I am encountering now is that I want to delete all the
sub-navigations that are not the current one. I can do it with DOM, but my
regexp powers seem to drain.

What the regexp should do is:

- Remove every <ul> inside an <li> unless there is a <strong> somewhere
inside that <li>

Any pointers?

-- 
Chris Heilmann
Blog: http://www.wait-till-i.com
Writing: http://icant.co.uk/
Binaries: http://www.onlinetools.org/


From sales at lycosa.co.uk  Thu Mar 31 08:37:24 2005
From: sales at lycosa.co.uk (Sales)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:37:24 +0100
Subject: [thelist] site appraisal
In-Reply-To: <bbc8fa4305031118471344dc5c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002101c535ff$280b77e0$0201a8c0@p2>


Hi,

I would like your opinions of my latest site
http://www.onlinekitchenware.co.uk 

It is the first full-fledged commercial shopping cart application I have
completed, and I would like some feedback on usability, design and cross
browser compatibility.

Thanks!

Phil Parker


From markgroen at gmail.com  Thu Mar 31 08:37:20 2005
From: markgroen at gmail.com (Mark Groen)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 06:37:20 -0800
Subject: [thelist] wierd results from mktime
References: <EC8809603B906D40BDBC0849F4882C650B2D5CD3@pat.codemasters.local>
Message-ID: <007001c535ff$27d796a0$6500a8c0@vn.shawcable.net>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Felton" <>
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: March 31, 2005 6:00 AM
Subject: [thelist] wierd results from mktime


> Can any one explain why when I run:
>
> <?php
> print"1st month: ".date("F Y",mktime(0,0,0,1))."<br>";
> print"2nd month: ".date("F Y",mktime(0,0,0,2))."<br>";
> print"3rd month: ".date("F Y",mktime(0,0,0,3))."<br>";
> print"4th month: ".date("F Y",mktime(0,0,0,4))."<br>";
> ?>
>
> I get the following output?
>
> 1st month: January 2005
> 2nd month: March 2005
> 3rd month: March 2005
> 4th month: May 2005

You are missing an argument, this works:
<?php
print"1st month: ".date("F Y",mktime(0,0,0,1,0))."<br>";
print"2nd month: ".date("F Y",mktime(0,0,0,2,0))."<br>";
print"3rd month: ".date("F Y",mktime(0,0,0,3,0))."<br>";
print"4th month: ".date("F Y",mktime(0,0,0,4,0))."<br>";
?>
mind, this outputs December as the first month because of the zero:
If the month is greater than 12, it goes into the next year. If it is
less than 1, it goes into the previous year.

http://ca3.php.net/manual/en/function.mktime.php

hth!

cheers,

               Mark

MG Web Services
Web Site Hosting and Development
www.mgwebservices.ca
mark at mgwebservices.ca
604-780-6917
Bowen Island, B.C., Canada




From evolt at kasimir-k.fi  Thu Mar 31 08:44:34 2005
From: evolt at kasimir-k.fi (Kasimir K)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 14:44:34 +0000
Subject: [thelist] wierd results from mktime
In-Reply-To: <EC8809603B906D40BDBC0849F4882C650B2D5CD3@pat.codemasters.local>
References: <EC8809603B906D40BDBC0849F4882C650B2D5CD3@pat.codemasters.local>
Message-ID: <424C0CD2.10508@kasimir-k.fi>

David Felton scribeva in 2005-03-31 14:00:
> Can any one explain why when I run:
> 
> <?php
> print"1st month: ".date("F Y",mktime(0,0,0,1))."<br>";
> print"2nd month: ".date("F Y",mktime(0,0,0,2))."<br>";
> print"3rd month: ".date("F Y",mktime(0,0,0,3))."<br>";
> print"4th month: ".date("F Y",mktime(0,0,0,4))."<br>";
> ?>
> 
> I get the following output?
> 
> 1st month: January 2005
> 2nd month: March 2005
> 3rd month: March 2005
> 4th month: May 2005
> 
> 
> 
>  - think it's something to do with today's date. Can anyone confirm they get
> the same?

"Arguments may be left out in order from right to left; any arguments 
thus omitted will be set to the current value according to the local 
date and time." [0]

So today mktime(0,0,0,2) is equivalent to mktime(0,0,0,2,31), and 
February having only 28 or 29 days, it rolls it over to next month. Same 
thing with April: 2005-04-31 becomes 2005-05-01.

.k

[0] http://php.net/mktime


From fuzzylizard at gmail.com  Thu Mar 31 08:52:04 2005
From: fuzzylizard at gmail.com (Chris Johnston)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 09:52:04 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Actionscript
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050331005925.02bed380@n4277491.securesites.net>
References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050331005925.02bed380@n4277491.securesites.net>
Message-ID: <a72f311050331065223fdb699@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 01:05:18 -0500, Scott Wolpow <scott at wolpow.com> wrote:
> I need an Flash actionscript that allows the user to select a number of
> varibles, verify that they choose all the settings, create a string in a
> link and on click go to that url.

If you are thinking of going with Flash then you will have to create
the flash movie yourself along with all the actionscript.

Why can you not put javascript on the page, but you can put Flash? All
browsers support Javascript whereas not all people have support for
Flash. In addition, this kind of thing will require some backend
server support. You should put all of your form validation on the
server side and not the client side. (Client side form validation is a
nice to have and can greatly enhance the experience for those with
Javascript turned on, but server side guarantees that the validation
is performed.)

You will most likely not be able to find a precanned actionscript that
will meet your needs. However, check out the Flash exchange on the
Macromdia website and see what they have.


-- 
chris johnston

www.fuzzylizard.com

"For millions of years, mankind lived just like the animals and
something happened which unleashed the power of our imagination, we
learned to talk."
Pink Floyd

From jay.blanchard at niicommunications.com  Thu Mar 31 09:18:07 2005
From: jay.blanchard at niicommunications.com (Jay Blanchard)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 09:18:07 -0600
Subject: [thelist] PHP IMAP
Message-ID: <C8F323573C030A448F3E5A2B6FE2070B08EB9077@nemesis>

[snip]
Does anyone have a snippet of code that can throw out the entire email
message into a webpage?  I can get the header to display but nothng
else, which is annoying.
[/snip]

What are you using now? Look at http://www.php.net/imap_fetchbody

From robin.hastings at gmail.com  Thu Mar 31 09:39:46 2005
From: robin.hastings at gmail.com (Robin Hastings)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 09:39:46 -0600
Subject: [thelist] Illegal to link?
In-Reply-To: <faf1d2bd05033008344f48fd82@mail.gmail.com>
References: <424ac830.07067038.083d.ffffbe6bSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.gmail.com>
	 <00e401c53540$a1dcac20$6500a8c0@vn.shawcable.net>
	 <faf1d2bd05033008344f48fd82@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d68dafe0050331073927c0c856@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:34:28 -0500, Dan McCullough
<dan.mccullough at gmail.com> wrote:
> I dont see where this benefits/protects WebMD at all.

The only benefit that I can see is that they are controlling the text
of their links. In effect, they are Googlebombing[0] themselves.

[0]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_bomb

-- 
Robin Hastings
robin.hastings at gmail.com
http://www.rhastings.net

From Chris.Marsh at Callserve.com  Thu Mar 31 09:44:16 2005
From: Chris.Marsh at Callserve.com (Chris.Marsh at Callserve.com)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:44:16 -0000
Subject: [thelist] site appraisal
Message-ID: <AAF7CC40BD87F347A2A8BD72F9D551430C8E2D71@csoff2exc01.callserve.com>

Phil

> I would like your opinions of my latest site
> http://www.onlinekitchenware.co.uk 
> 
> It is the first full-fledged commercial shopping cart 
> application I have
> completed, and I would like some feedback on usability, 
> design and cross
> browser compatibility.

You may have closed a TD, TR and TABLE that aren't open at around line 118.
If not, there's some kind of problem with the markup. Also, you have a B tag
not closed properly on line 111. Take a look at http://validator.w3.org/ to
catch these kind of things.

As for the design, it looks very nice. The only two comments I would make is
that the liquid design allows it to flow to the width of the screen. At a
high resolution this results in a single long line of text on some pages
which is uncomfortable to read. Perhaps consider specifying a maximum page
width. The second comment is that I was not able to scale the text using
Ctrl-Mouse wheel.

Regards

Chris Marsh

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From rob.smith at THERMON.com  Thu Mar 31 09:53:48 2005
From: rob.smith at THERMON.com (Rob Smith)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 09:53:48 -0600
Subject: [thelist] site appraisal
Message-ID: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC92703E7D2CB@smtmb.tmc.local>

> I would like your opinions of my latest site
> http://www.onlinekitchenware.co.uk 

Not bad for your first go'round. I did have a couple of concerns. 

* Why the red border table on the home page with, what seems to be, random
products and company logos thrown together for space filler. This space can
be utilized muuuuuch better. I noticed in some places you had specials. The
home page is an ideal place to have all your specials.

* As an American, I've never heard of "..p&p.."

* More on that, what about selling accessories like power converter kits.

* I wasn't really sure what "more..." meant next to the products. The first
couple of clicks gave me larger pictures. It wasn't until the 7th "more..."
that it actually gave me more information on the product.

May I suggest an alternate route? When the users click more, have that
section expand to include the remaining text. Let the user click the product
to get a larger, better quality image. 

* On the various manufacturer pages you have a short little blurb about what
the company is all about. However on the left side, it wasn't real obvious
that there were sub sections for different products they carried. 

On Sabatier's, page, there is only one sub category. I have make an
additional click to get to the "kitchen knives." Why not stick the first 3
random products from each sub category on the individual manufactures pages
to get the user interested in the products. "you can add a link "see more
products of this type..." under the third product.

* Good catch on the shopping cart. I tried to enter 1.5 items in the
quantity field and you stopped me :-)

* I guess my email is my username? On the form for New Customer, try:
Email/Username [_________________]

* Although I did like the options feature to select different colors and the
color or different product appeared, I'm concerned at the quality of images.
I know you're trying to make a quick experience for the user. But there is a
fine line between just a little better and a little quicker. Some of the
images are noticeably bad.

* Cool!!!!

6 SLICE
Capacity 2, 4 or 6 slices
Output per hour 195 slices <!--------  I'd get full on 2
Loading (kW) 3.0
Dimensions (cm) 46 x 21 x 22
Weight (kg) 5.1

... but is that important?

Rob

From scott at wolpow.com  Thu Mar 31 09:47:26 2005
From: scott at wolpow.com (Scott Wolpow)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:47:26 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Actionscript
In-Reply-To: <a72f311050331065223fdb699@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050331005925.02bed380@n4277491.securesites.net>
 <a72f311050331065223fdb699@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050331104437.02a0d410@n4277491.securesites.net>


><snip>
>
>Why can you not put javascript on the page, but you can put Flash?


</snip>
Because it is on a site that does not allow Javascript. I do not have any 
control, but to post. I can put all the vaildation on the server side as I 
can use a url to place the flash.
I will check out the flash exchange.
Thanks
Scott Wolpow


From evoltlist at delime.com  Thu Mar 31 09:48:46 2005
From: evoltlist at delime.com (M. Seyon)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:48:46 -0400
Subject: [thelist] site appraisal
In-Reply-To: <002101c535ff$280b77e0$0201a8c0@p2>
References: <bbc8fa4305031118471344dc5c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20050331113030.0278e248@mx.delime.com>

Message from Sales (3/31/2005 10:37 AM)


>Hi,
>
>I would like your opinions of my latest site
>http://www.onlinekitchenware.co.uk

It's sloppy.

If you want to use a comic strip style blurb to catch people's attention, 
please please make sure that you've got the grammar right in aforementioned 
blurb.

"THIS MONTHS SPECIAL OFFER"? Someone missing an apostrophe?

Then we've got the title of the page, which is what people will see if they 
bookmark your site. And it proudly proclaims itself to be "Online Kitchenare".

And on the basket page
KitchenAid Artisan Food Mixer   Black   &pound259.99

Someone forgot to put a semi-colon in?

For that matter, you don't even tell me *which* model of the KitchenAid 
food mixer you're selling. There are several. 4 quart, 5 quart, 6 quart 
sizes each with a couple different models.

Usability, design and cross browser compatibility are all well and good. 
But what you need is trust.

Why should I shop with your careless mistake ridden site when there's 
Amazon? If it's because your prices are better, are you conveying that? Or 
maybe it's because you can get it to the customer faster than amazon can?

What makes your site better? If you don't convey that you're probably going 
to fail.

On a layout note, your site causes Opera 7.5 on Win2k to scroll 
horizontally even though my viewable window is 970px across.

regards.
-marc

--
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http://www.playyuhself.com/

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From fuzzylizard at gmail.com  Thu Mar 31 10:06:03 2005
From: fuzzylizard at gmail.com (Chris Johnston)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:06:03 -0500
Subject: [thelist] site appraisal
In-Reply-To: <002101c535ff$280b77e0$0201a8c0@p2>
References: <bbc8fa4305031118471344dc5c@mail.gmail.com>
	 <002101c535ff$280b77e0$0201a8c0@p2>
Message-ID: <a72f3110503310806764f2b8f@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:37:24 +0100, Sales <sales at lycosa.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I would like your opinions of my latest site
> http://www.onlinekitchenware.co.uk
> 
> It is the first full-fledged commercial shopping cart application I have
> completed, and I would like some feedback on usability, design and cross
> browser compatibility.
> 

A few comments on your site.

1. I was able to change the basket ID and view other people's
baskets.This was after I added things to my own basket. After making
the change, when I clicked on the View Basket button, nothing came up
in my shopping cart even though I had added things to it.

2. For the quantity of an item in my basket, if I enter a negative
number, I am neither notified of what I have done nor does it remove
the item from my basket.

3. There is no way of removing an item from my basket

4. If I change the SID on the URL variable and click enter I am able
to view other people's shopping carts.

With the exception of #3, I would consider all of the above to be
possible security risks.

How are you managing sessions on your site? I keep loosing my shopping
cart. If I manually change the URL in the address bar of my browser in
any manner, I get a new SID and a new shopping cart. In just checking
out your site, I think I am on my 5th SID. And yet I am using the same
browser and have yet to actually leave your site. Something major is
wrong here.

You can not tie your entire session management to putting the SID into
the URL. You need to carry this forward using some other method such
as cookies.

-- 
chris johnston

www.fuzzylizard.com

"For millions of years, mankind lived just like the animals and
something happened which unleashed the power of our imagination, we
learned to talk."
Pink Floyd

From hershelr at netvision.net.il  Thu Mar 31 10:16:52 2005
From: hershelr at netvision.net.il (Hershel Robinson)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:16:52 -0500
Subject: [thelist] site appraisal
In-Reply-To: <002101c535ff$280b77e0$0201a8c0@p2>
Message-ID: <000201c5360d$0d8bfd00$6501a8c0@workstation3g>

thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org <> apparently wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I would like your opinions of my latest site
> http://www.onlinekitchenware.co.uk

Full screen on my 1024 wide monitor still shows a horizontal scroll bar. And
I have no sidebars. I personally detest sites with horizontal scroll bars.

Hershel


From swehren at gmail.com  Thu Mar 31 10:26:10 2005
From: swehren at gmail.com (Scott Wehrenberg)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:26:10 -0600
Subject: [thelist] Regular expression help (PHP)
In-Reply-To: <56436.80.85.75.20.1112279018.squirrel@webmail01.nwu.net>
References: <56436.80.85.75.20.1112279018.squirrel@webmail01.nwu.net>
Message-ID: <3fb2522505033108266002d1bc@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:23:38 +0200 (CEST), Chris Heilmann
<lists at onlinetools.org> wrote:
> 
> I am working on an automatic navigation highlight script which uses an
> HTML template and removes the current link:
> http://www.onlinetools.org/tests/easynav/
> http://www.onlinetools.org/tests/easynav/easynav.txt
> 
> What the regexp should do is:
> 
> - Remove every <ul> inside an <li> unless there is a <strong> somewhere
> inside that <li>
> 

If you can "cheat" and use the whitespace to match items then here's
my ugly hack:

$items = preg_split('/^ <li>/m',$menu);
$out_ar = array();
foreach($items as $item)
{
    $out_ar[] = strstr($item,'<strong>') ? $item :
preg_replace('/<\/a>.*/s',"</a></li>\n",$item);
}


echo implode('  <li>',$out_ar) . '</ul>'

From john at johnallsopp.co.uk  Thu Mar 31 10:33:43 2005
From: john at johnallsopp.co.uk (john at johnallsopp.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:33:43 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [thelist] site appraisal
In-Reply-To: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC92703E7D2CB@smtmb.tmc.local>
References: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC92703E7D2CB@smtmb.tmc.local>
Message-ID: <50095.82.195.102.230.1112286823.squirrel@www.johnallsopp.co.uk>

> * As an American, I've never heard of "..p&p.."
Ooh, postage and packing, what do you call it then? Shipping maybe?

J

From norman.bunn at craftedsolutions.com  Thu Mar 31 12:24:58 2005
From: norman.bunn at craftedsolutions.com (Norman Bunn)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 13:24:58 -0500
Subject: [thelist] site appraisal
In-Reply-To: <50095.82.195.102.230.1112286823.squirrel@www.johnallsopp.co.uk>
References: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC92703E7D2CB@smtmb.tmc.local>
	<50095.82.195.102.230.1112286823.squirrel@www.johnallsopp.co.uk>
Message-ID: <424C407A.5070604@craftedsolutions.com>

s&h - shipping and handling

---

Norman W. Bunn
norman.bunn at craftedsolutions.com
803.405.1008
----------------------------------------------
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Crafted Solutions, Inc.
Web Design & Development
Web Site Hosting & Custom Solutions
"Get the results the Internet promises;
 get the 'Net Result' from Crafted Solutions!"
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john at johnallsopp.co.uk wrote:

>>* As an American, I've never heard of "..p&p.."
>>    
>>
>Ooh, postage and packing, what do you call it then? Shipping maybe?
>
>J
>  
>


From john at johnallsopp.co.uk  Thu Mar 31 12:56:11 2005
From: john at johnallsopp.co.uk (john at johnallsopp.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 13:56:11 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [thelist] site appraisal
In-Reply-To: <424C407A.5070604@craftedsolutions.com>
References: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC92703E7D2CB@smtmb.tmc.local>
    <50095.82.195.102.230.1112286823.squirrel@www.johnallsopp.co.uk>
    <424C407A.5070604@craftedsolutions.com>
Message-ID: <50192.82.195.102.230.1112295371.squirrel@www.johnallsopp.co.uk>

> s&h - shipping and handling

OK. Interestingly, I'd never have guessed that. s&h, not a clue,
Sundays and holidays maybe :-)

J

From rob.smith at THERMON.com  Thu Mar 31 15:22:52 2005
From: rob.smith at THERMON.com (Rob Smith)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:22:52 -0600
Subject: [thelist] site appraisal
Message-ID: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC92703E7D2D1@smtmb.tmc.local>

> * As an American, I've never heard of "..p&p.."
Ooh, postage and packing, what do you call it then? Shipping maybe?

S&H for Shipping and Handling

Eeh. Fugetaboutit

Rob

From rob.smith at THERMON.com  Thu Mar 31 15:46:31 2005
From: rob.smith at THERMON.com (Rob Smith)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:46:31 -0600
Subject: [thelist] site appraisal
Message-ID: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC92703E7D2D2@smtmb.tmc.local>

> I would like your opinions of my latest site
> http://www.onlinekitchenware.co.uk 

I noticed a few more oddities. 

* I'm at my shopping cart and you really should rid your self quickly of
exposing the basket_id in the querystring. Baaaaad idea.

* Also, when I change my numbers in my cart you offer me different specials
on different products with large red text balloons complete with drop
shadows on both elements no less.

* Scroll bars disappear on the home page at 1072 x 930

Rob


From dsbrady at gmail.com  Thu Mar 31 16:17:07 2005
From: dsbrady at gmail.com (Scott Brady)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:17:07 -0700
Subject: [thelist] Apache HTTPD session timeout?
Message-ID: <4bfd1468050331141757650437@mail.gmail.com>

We have a Linux box running Apache 1.3 and ColdFusion 5 where the
ColdFusion session time out setting isn't working. (I've posted to the
cf-talk list twice so far without much success)

Basically, I've verified that the <cfapplication> tag has the session
timeout set to 1 hour and the ColdFusion administrator max timeout
setting is at least 1 hour (it's actually 1 day).

I've restarted ColdFusion numerous times and have even restarted the
physical box (which is something we have to schedule at least a day in
advance).

Sessions are still timing out after around 20 minutes.

The only option I can think of now is that Apache's web server has a
session timeout setting.  But, I've googled for that, and all of the
references I've found refer to tomcat's session timeout.

So, does anyone know if there's a setting in httpd.conf that would
affect a session timeout?  I've searched the file and not found
anything.  If it matters, this is an SSL site.

Thanks!

Scott
-- 
-----------------------------------------
Scott Brady
http://www.scottbrady.net/

From jdillon at boehm-ritter.com  Thu Mar 31 16:59:18 2005
From: jdillon at boehm-ritter.com (Jonathan Dillon)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 14:59:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [thelist] Apache HTTPD session timeout?
In-Reply-To: <4bfd1468050331141757650437@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4bfd1468050331141757650437@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4013.64.30.116.64.1112309958.squirrel@mail.boehm-ritter.com>

> The only option I can think of now is that Apache's web server has a
> session timeout setting.  But, I've googled for that, and all of the
> references I've found refer to tomcat's session timeout.
>
No, there is no relationship here.

The session setting is either in your server (cf server), or application.

Jonathan


From chris at lwcdial.net  Thu Mar 31 17:44:41 2005
From: chris at lwcdial.net (Chris Hayes)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 00:44:41 +0100
Subject: [thelist] Apache HTTPD session timeout?
References: <4bfd1468050331141757650437@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <008001c5364c$1e00f200$152ca8c0@CHILLI>

> I've restarted ColdFusion numerous times and have even restarted the
> physical box (which is something we have to schedule at least a day in
> advance).

Is there any chance CF is resterting itself?  There's an option in the
administrator to restart after X many application errors. This would of
course reset all sessions.





From dsbrady at gmail.com  Thu Mar 31 18:25:30 2005
From: dsbrady at gmail.com (Scott Brady)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 17:25:30 -0700
Subject: [thelist] Apache HTTPD session timeout?
In-Reply-To: <008001c5364c$1e00f200$152ca8c0@CHILLI>
References: <4bfd1468050331141757650437@mail.gmail.com>
	 <008001c5364c$1e00f200$152ca8c0@CHILLI>
Message-ID: <4bfd1468050331162542dfd2f6@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, 1 Apr 2005 00:44:41 +0100, Chris Hayes  wrote:
> > I've restarted ColdFusion numerous times and have even restarted the
> > physical box (which is something we have to schedule at least a day in
> > advance).
> 
> Is there any chance CF is resterting itself?  There's an option in the
> administrator to restart after X many application errors. This would of
> course reset all sessions.

I don't think so. Our app e-mails any time there's an application
error, and we get very few errors from this particular server.

So, it'd basically have to be a lot of "unexpected exception" errors
that don't get handled by our error handler code.

I've done a grep for every instance of "<cfapplication" and haven't
found anything less than 1 hour and re-verified the CF admin settings.

This is a bit frustrating.  

Thanks for the idea, though. It was worth a shot.

Scott
-- 
-----------------------------------------
Scott Brady
http://www.scottbrady.net/

From juha at ilmiantajat.fi  Wed Mar 30 02:30:11 2005
From: juha at ilmiantajat.fi (Juha Suni)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:30:11 +0300
Subject: [thelist] Prevent a request from redirecting browser....
References: <C8F323573C030A448F3E5A2B6FE2070B0430C7DC@nemesis>
Message-ID: <032d01c53502$b09dde70$3300a8c0@tavutykki>

Jay Blanchard wrote:
> Good morning!
>
> Here is the scenario. You have created an application that will be
> used in-house. It is opened in a browser window where, via
> JavaScript, you have eliminated all but the title bar.
>
> If it is the only browser window open and you click a link in an
> e-mail you have received that link proceeds to load in your
> application window, which is not a good thing because you might lose
> application data since you have the back button disabled (as much as
> it can be).
>
> Here is the question. Does anyone know of a way to prevent the site
> from opening in the browser window or having the newly clicked site
> open in a new browser window? I have in my mind something like a
> JavaScript interception.....

This problem sounded interesting, since I've been creating a lot of web apps
lately, most usually dealing with multiple windows and possible popups, and
I have periodically stumbled upon this same problem. I never really had the
energy to tackle it though, but I decided to give it a try now. It was
surprisingly easy. (scroll to bottom for solution, first a brief
explanation).

One thing I have learned that when opening links in windows, it has most to
do with the window name. If a window with the specified name (target
attribute of the anchor element) already exists, the link opens up there,
otherwise a new window is created.

So I decided to do a little test. I made a simple page the upon loading
shows the window name with javascript (<body onload="alert(self.name);">).
Using the most popular stuff (IE 6/Win, Outlook Express) I found out that
loading the page normally (without an email link) resulted in the window
having no name at all. If I opened the same page from a link within Outlook
Express, the window had the name "_unspecifiedFrame".

Thus, if I had no IE windows open, or if all the open windows had been
opened by clicking the IE icon (i.e. not with an email link), the email link
would open up a new window. The next email link would however use this same
window, since it already had the name "_unspecifiedFrame".

So how do you fix this? Simple. Just make sure you web app always
automatically sets its name spcifically to something of your own taste.
After this only links within that window, or exteral links with that window
set specifically as target, use that window. So add the short piece of
javascript to the head-element of the pages in your app:

<script language="JavaScript" type="text/JavaScript">
<!--
self.name='myappwindow';
//-->
</script>

Alternatively, to avoid using javascript, when you open the actual popup
(like in Jay's case), use the target attribute to define the window name.

Since I still had only limited time, I did not test out with other email
clients and browsers. I still am rather certain that all email clients set
some kind of default target attribute to links they create, and it would
certainly be weird if even ignoring that, they had no respect whatsoever on
the existing windows and their names when deciding whether to spawn a new
window or not.

To test it out, try clicking the following link several times. If you have
javascript enabled, it should spawn a new window every time (given enough
time for the previous to finish loading, which is not much).

http://www.ilmiantajat.net/testing/zuni/

Hope that helps, and please let me know of any problems. I'd be happy to
implement this completely to my existing applications.

-- 
Suni


From dsbrady at gmail.com  Thu Mar 31 18:30:32 2005
From: dsbrady at gmail.com (Scott Brady)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 17:30:32 -0700
Subject: [thelist] Apache HTTPD session timeout?
In-Reply-To: <008001c5364c$1e00f200$152ca8c0@CHILLI>
References: <4bfd1468050331141757650437@mail.gmail.com>
	 <008001c5364c$1e00f200$152ca8c0@CHILLI>
Message-ID: <4bfd1468050331163066fa5fa9@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, 1 Apr 2005 00:44:41 +0100, Chris Hayes  wrote:
> > I've restarted ColdFusion numerous times and have even restarted the
> > physical box (which is something we have to schedule at least a day in
> > advance).
> 
> Is there any chance CF is resterting itself?  There's an option in the
> administrator to restart after X many application errors. This would of
> course reset all sessions.

Holy crap, you may be right.  (I should have checked the log file
BEFORE replying).

Every 30 minutes, there's a "Caught a fatal signal (11)" error and
then the server starts.

The funny thing is when I was testing the timeout, I would almost
always wait 30 minutes to make sure I had waited 20 minutes between
requests, and that's when the session would time out.

Now to just track down that error.

Thanks!

So much for my "We get e-mailed the errors" response. :)

Scott

-- 
-----------------------------------------
Scott Brady
http://www.scottbrady.net/

From jdillon at boehm-ritter.com  Thu Mar 31 19:08:19 2005
From: jdillon at boehm-ritter.com (Jonathan Dillon)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 17:08:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [thelist] Apache HTTPD session timeout?
In-Reply-To: <4bfd1468050331162542dfd2f6@mail.gmail.com>
References: 	<4bfd1468050331141757650437@mail.gmail.com><008001c5364c$1e00f200$152ca8c0@CHILLI>
	<4bfd1468050331162542dfd2f6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4702.64.30.116.64.1112317699.squirrel@mail.boehm-ritter.com>

> On Fri, 1 Apr 2005 00:44:41 +0100, Chris Hayes  wrote:
>> > I've restarted ColdFusion numerous times and have even restarted the
>> > physical box (which is something we have to schedule at least a day in
>> > advance).
>>
>> Is there any chance CF is resterting itself?  There's an option in the
>> administrator to restart after X many application errors. This would of
>> course reset all sessions.

> I've done a grep for every instance of "<cfapplication" and haven't
> found anything less than 1 hour and re-verified the CF admin settings.

Scott:

I can't think of anything else that would cause that that's obvious.  If
your cfapp is set properly, that should be the default for the
application.

You might grep through and see if you can find some reference in a file to
20 or the timecode for 20 minutes.

Sorry, that's the only thing I can think of!

- J

From syoung at unitec.ac.nz  Thu Mar 31 19:17:32 2005
From: syoung at unitec.ac.nz (Stuart Young)
Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 13:17:32 +1200
Subject: [thelist] Illegal to link?
Message-ID: <s24d49f4.038@gwia1.unitec.ac.nz>

This is something I feel very strongly about so I'll try not to rant!

At our institution, the NZ copyright collective (copyright collecting
agency)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_collective 
http://www.copyright.co.nz/ 
http://www.copyright.org.nz/ 
come and tell management that it is breaking copyright to deep-link.
Then our library, academic development unit and learning technology
units inform us staff in workshops and policies that it is breaking
copyright to deep-link.

I have often complained about this saying that it is:
* not necessary - legal opinion is far from absolute that this is the
case - many legal types disagree that deep-linking breaks copyright.
* flying in the face of real world practice - the web was built on
deep-links - how come Google are allowed to do it?
* poor education practice - how on earth can we expect our students to
follow instructions such as: go to this home page click this link,
scroll down and click this link.
* poor copyright practice - because it actually encourages the
lecturers to copy the webpage or print it out and photocopy it - both of
which also break copyright.

However no-one in management at my institution has the nerve or ability
to think for themselves and realise that banning deep-linking is
ridiculous and that the advice of the NZ copyright collecting agency
should be ignored.

I have also emailed the NZ copyright collecting agency several times
asking them on what they base this decision and how come Google can do
it. They have been unable to provide me any sort of coherent explanation
and point blank refused to answer the Google question.

Basically it is clear to me that the NZ copyright collecting agency are
simply a front for the publishers who are clearly scared about the
effect of all the free information online on the sales of their
textbooks and so trying everything they can to stop teachers using the
web and keep them using textbooks. 

cheers, (phew I managed not to rank). 

P.S. here's some more refs, none of which is particularly useful...

Bechtold, S. (2002, July 13, 2002). The Link Controversy Page.
http://www.jura.uni-tuebingen.de/bechtold/lcp.html

Kuester, J. R., & Nieves, P. A. (1998). Hyperlinks, Frames and
Meta-Tags: An Intellectual Property Analysis. IDEA: The Journal of Law
and Technology, 38 (243). http://www.patentperfect.com/idea.htm 

Garrote, I. J. (2000). Linking, Framing and Copyright: A Comparative
Law Approach. http://ssrn.com/abstract=280596 

Kiritsov, S. (2000). Can Millions of Internet Users Be Breaking the Law
Every Day? An Intellectual Property Analysis of Linking and Framing and
the Need for Licensing. Stanford Technology Law Review.
http://stlr.stanford.edu/STLR/Events/linking/index.htm 

Ruse, H. G. (2000). Copyright Aspects of Hyperlinking (Report # ESPRIT
Project 12278 to Electronic Commerce Legal Issues Platform).
http://www.jura.uni-muenster.de/eclip/workshop/2nd/Grosse_Ruse_handout.pdf


Sableman, M. (2001). Link Law Revisited: Internet Linking Law at Five
Years. Berkeley Technology Law Journal, 16 (3).
http://www.law.berkeley.edu/journals/btlj/articles/vol16/sableman/sableman.pdf



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<syoung at unitec.ac.nz> 	+64 021 183 2846 (mob)
Lecturer, School of Computing and Information Technology,
Unitec New Zealand, Auckland, New Zealand
http://tinyurl.com/4956o
(the official URL for my staffpage is too long and complex)
http://www.pixelandgrain.co.nz/
Web development, graphic design and photography

>>> gsb at athenswebdevelopment.com 31/03/2005 03:49:55 >>>
On Wed, 2005-03-30 at 10:30 -0500, Joshua Olson wrote:
> 
> https://data.webmd.com/sdclive/sdcform.aspx?formid=l2uRegistration 
> 
> Anybody know if that is total BS?
> 

When challenged, it appears this kind of thing has not held up - at
least in the US.

http://www.murdoch.edu.au/elaw/issues/v11n1/meyer111.html 

and 

http://www.nolo.com/article.cfm/objectID/C13F7E6B- 
B05E-43DF-80D62B635DF9DD9F/310/266/ART/




> <><><><><><><><><><>
> Joshua Olson
> Web Application Engineer
> WAE Tech Inc.
> http://www.waetech.com/service_areas/ 
> 706.210.0168 
> 
> 

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From sales at lycosa.co.uk  Thu Mar 31 20:21:10 2005
From: sales at lycosa.co.uk (Sales)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 03:21:10 +0100
Subject: [thelist] site appraisal
Message-ID: <005801c53661$78833700$0201a8c0@p2>

Thank you all for your helpful comments and suggestions. I am busy
implementing the various changes. I will let you know when they are done
and you can see the results.

 

Phil


From evoltlist at delime.com  Thu Mar 31 21:09:13 2005
From: evoltlist at delime.com (M. Seyon)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 23:09:13 -0400
Subject: [thelist] Illegal to link?
In-Reply-To: <s24d49f4.038@gwia1.unitec.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20050331230115.027fe820@mx.delime.com>

Message from Stuart Young (3/31/2005 09:17 PM)

>This is something I feel very strongly about so I'll try not to rant!
>
>At our institution, the NZ copyright collective (copyright collecting
>agency)
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_collective
>http://www.copyright.co.nz/
>http://www.copyright.org.nz/
>come and tell management that it is breaking copyright to deep-link.
>Then our library, academic development unit and learning technology
>units inform us staff in workshops and policies that it is breaking
>copyright to deep-link.
>
>I have often complained about this saying that it is:
>* not necessary - legal opinion is far from absolute that this is the
>case - many legal types disagree that deep-linking breaks copyright.
>* flying in the face of real world practice - the web was built on
>deep-links - how come Google are allowed to do it?
>* poor education practice - how on earth can we expect our students to
>follow instructions such as: go to this home page click this link,
>scroll down and click this link.
>* poor copyright practice - because it actually encourages the
>lecturers to copy the webpage or print it out and photocopy it - both of
>which also break copyright.

Stuart, interesting perspective. You know when you put it in that context 
it made me think. Perhaps the legal hardheads would understand it if we put 
it in terms they can understand.

Cite fair use. Dig out any legal text. Demonstrate that footnotes do not 
say "Find volume 2,351 of the law journal, turn to page 805, count 14 lines 
down. Read from the middle of that sentence to the end of the paragraph 
halfway down page 806."

Hyperlinks aren't photocopies. They're footnotes. "Photocopies" would be 
copying and pasting the content onto your site.


>I have also emailed the NZ copyright collecting agency several times
>asking them on what they base this decision and how come Google can do
>it. They have been unable to provide me any sort of coherent explanation
>and point blank refused to answer the Google question.
>
>Basically it is clear to me that the NZ copyright collecting agency are
>simply a front for the publishers who are clearly scared about the
>effect of all the free information online on the sales of their
>textbooks and so trying everything they can to stop teachers using the
>web and keep them using textbooks.

On an OT note, it's relieving to know that our country isn't the only one 
with a totally clueless copyright organisation.

regards.
-marc

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From jdillon at boehm-ritter.com  Thu Mar 31 22:48:25 2005
From: jdillon at boehm-ritter.com (Jonathan Dillon)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 20:48:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [thelist] Illegal to link?
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20050331230115.027fe820@mx.delime.com>
References: <s24d49f4.038@gwia1.unitec.ac.nz>
    <4.2.0.58.20050331230115.027fe820@mx.delime.com>
Message-ID: <3586.64.30.116.64.1112330905.squirrel@mail.boehm-ritter.com>


> Hyperlinks aren't photocopies. They're footnotes. "Photocopies" would be
> copying and pasting the content onto your site.

I agree with your perspective, however, when dealing with the dumb, one
must explain it in terms they cannot understand.  One must say, "This is
new.  Your existing metaphors are insuffient.  Clearly, your lack of
mental diligence in examining this concept makes you a poor choice for
being a leader.  You should consider another career, one with a bit less
impact on society perhaps?"

But, that's my 2c!

It's a hyperlink.  C'est ne pas un pipe.

Jonathan

From jdillon at boehm-ritter.com  Thu Mar 31 22:49:54 2005
From: jdillon at boehm-ritter.com (Jonathan Dillon)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 20:49:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [thelist] Illegal to link?
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20050331230115.027fe820@mx.delime.com>
References: <s24d49f4.038@gwia1.unitec.ac.nz>
    <4.2.0.58.20050331230115.027fe820@mx.delime.com>
Message-ID: <3588.64.30.116.64.1112330994.squirrel@mail.boehm-ritter.com>

> Message from Stuart Young (3/31/2005 09:17 PM)

That wasn't aimed at the thread btw.  I'm after ze beaurocrats.  I've seen
perfectly intelligent people overruled so many times by people who think
they know what they're doing, worldwide!  And it kind of irks me...

Jonathan

From jay.blanchard at niicommunications.com  Fri Apr  1 07:28:49 2005
From: jay.blanchard at niicommunications.com (Jay Blanchard)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 07:28:49 -0600
Subject: [thelist] Prevent a request from redirecting browser....
Message-ID: <C8F323573C030A448F3E5A2B6FE2070B0430C7E2@nemesis>

[snip]
...
So add the short piece of javascript to the head-element of the pages in
your app:

<script language="JavaScript" type="text/JavaScript">
<!--
self.name='myappwindow';
//-->
</script>
...
To test it out, try clicking the following link several times. If you
have
javascript enabled, it should spawn a new window every time (given
enough
time for the previous to finish loading, which is not much).

http://www.ilmiantajat.net/testing/zuni/
[/snip]

As I read this I thought to myself that this was brilliant in its
simplicity. So here is what I tried (I haven't done a lot this morning
with it yet, just a couple of tests). First, the javascript to open the
pop-up;

<script language="JavaScript">
<!--
twin=window.open("adminTicketQueue.php","ttrackApp","width=1024,height=7
10,menubar=no,toolbar=no,directories=no,location=no,scrollbars=yes,resiz
able=yes,status=no");
twin.moveTo(0,0);
//-->
</script>

And the bit in the page to set the self-name;

<script language="JavaScript">
	<!-- name the application window to hopefully prevent opening by
other links
	self.name = 'ttrackApp';
	-->
	<!-- use to "fool" windows closing dialog
	window.opener = 'active';
	-->
</script>

And then I loaded it up, came back to the link you supplied, clicked it
and it opened in my newly named appplication window. (I am using
Outlook, so perhaps I need to conduct the tests that you did with the
alert window.)

So I am still hopefully working towards a solution.

From jjsolari at pobox.com  Fri Apr  1 08:40:58 2005
From: jjsolari at pobox.com (J.J.SOLARI)
Date: Fri,  1 Apr 2005 16:40:58 +0200
Subject: [thelist] Trigger for Spambots IP Address Filtering
Message-ID: <r02010500-1038-1043CC06A2BC11D9A865000D93ADFDA4@[10.0.1.2]>

Hello all,

My hosting fees depend mainly on trafic, and robots are currently
consuming about 10% of it, which is plenty. In order to reduce as
much as possible useless trafic, I intend to filter out all robots
that do not respect the Robots Exclusion Protocol, i.e. rules found
in robots.txt to disallow access to directories which spidering is
not desired such as images and compressed archives, at least in my
case.

The strategy is the following (Apache server here).

In /index.html, there is a small transparent image linking to
directory /abadbot, which access is specifically denied to any robot
in robots.txt (via User-agent: * and Disallow: /abadbot): the whole
thing is supposed to be a trigger for a bad robots' trap.

As a result of any such intrusion, it will be processed by some PHP
script, which basically will store the referrer IP address
(REMOTE_ADDR) in a database, then, in case some visitor had got
there by mistake (?), it will build a page with some text
instructing the supposedly human visitor what is going on, that is,
IP address is captured and any subsequent access to the site is now
undefinitely denied, unless the visitor checks the checkbox
hereunder and cliks OK to release IP address in question.

Since IP is registered, it is possible to reject any subsequent
connexion from it, and the next step is to check IP address of all
incoming requests for any correspondance with a bad IP address in
database: if no correspondance, go transparently to requested URI,
else issue a Http status 410 Gone.

However, this is complex and it raises several issues, including
overall file delivery performance and search engine ranking.

So I have not yet determined what would be the best compromise, and
any advices and/or caveats are very welcome.

Thanks,

JJS.

From rob.smith at THERMON.com  Fri Apr  1 09:21:33 2005
From: rob.smith at THERMON.com (Rob Smith)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 09:21:33 -0600 
Subject: [thelist] [semi-OT] Opening Links from Combo Boxes in Excel
Message-ID: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC92703E7D2D9@smtmb.tmc.local>

Hi,

How in the world do you get files/web links to open from a combo box in MS
Excel?

Rob Smith 
Web Development Manager 
Thermon Manufacturing Company 
100 Thermon Dr. 
San Marcos, TX 78667-0609 
800-820-4328 x 327 
Rob.Smith at thermon.com 

From markgroen at gmail.com  Fri Apr  1 09:19:16 2005
From: markgroen at gmail.com (Mark Groen)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 07:19:16 -0800
Subject: [thelist] Trigger for Spambots IP Address Filtering
References: <r02010500-1038-1043CC06A2BC11D9A865000D93ADFDA4@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <006d01c536ce$2c943340$6500a8c0@vn.shawcable.net>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "J.J.SOLARI" <>
To: "The List" <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: April 1, 2005 6:40 AM
Subject: [thelist] Trigger for Spambots IP Address Filtering


The strategy is the following (Apache server here).

that sounds like a lot of work, using mod_rewrite is too at first,
but then it's just a matter of maintenance:

http://diveintomark.org/archives/2003/02/26/how_to_block_spambots_ban_spybots_and_tell_unwanted_robots_to_go_to_hell

cheers,

       Mark


From jay.blanchard at niicommunications.com  Fri Apr  1 09:35:11 2005
From: jay.blanchard at niicommunications.com (Jay Blanchard)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 09:35:11 -0600
Subject: [thelist] [semi-OT] Opening Links from Combo Boxes in Excel
Message-ID: <C8F323573C030A448F3E5A2B6FE2070B0430C7E3@nemesis>

[snip]
How in the world do you get files/web links to open from a combo box in
MS
Excel?
[/snip]

You have to make sure that it is in fact a hyperlink. Click
Insert->Hyperlink and follow the directions. If you need to edit you can
right click the cell and makes your edits

From rob.smith at THERMON.com  Fri Apr  1 09:57:35 2005
From: rob.smith at THERMON.com (Rob Smith)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 09:57:35 -0600 
Subject: [thelist] [semi-OT] Opening Links from Combo Boxes in Excel
Message-ID: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC92703E7D2DA@smtmb.tmc.local>

<snip>
You have to make sure that it is in fact a hyperlink. Click
Insert->Hyperlink and follow the directions. If you need to edit you can
right click the cell and makes your edits
</snip>

No dice. You can't have a combobox selected and choose Insert>Hyperlink.
That option is grayed out. I have gotten the following to work:

Sub DropDown1_Change()
    Dim RetVal
    RetVal = Shell("C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\Office\WINWORD.EXE",
1)
    AppActivate RetVal
End Sub

but not this:

Sub DropDown1_Change()
    Dim RetVal
    RetVal = Shell("http://www.thermon.com", 1)
    AppActivate RetVal
End Sub

Says file doesn't exist. Then my next question is that I can point this to
IExplore.exe or whatever. Does IE take arguments? Can Shell in the macro
handle passing arguments? The manual doesn't suggest that I can do that.

Rob

From chris at lwcdial.net  Fri Apr  1 10:31:31 2005
From: chris at lwcdial.net (Chris Hayes)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 17:31:31 +0100
Subject: [thelist] The old Google indexing issue 
References: <r02010500-1038-1043CC06A2BC11D9A865000D93ADFDA4@[10.0.1.2]>
	<006d01c536ce$2c943340$6500a8c0@vn.shawcable.net>
Message-ID: <05e501c536d8$da28ccf0$3800a8c0@herb.londonweb.net>


I have a transitional website, it is just that.  The site design was XHTML transitional but there is dynamic content from an ActiveX HTML editor... which AFAIK won't even validate as HTML RUBBISH. 
( that's TRASH for our friends over the pond).

So the site will not validate XHTML transitional until I can get an XHTML editor on it and change all the dynamic content.

My question:  Does anybody know for sure (no guessing :) if this failure to validate is enough to terminate a Google index?





From sam at iness.com  Fri Apr  1 10:50:17 2005
From: sam at iness.com (Sam Carter)
Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 11:50:17 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Protecting a Form Input 
Message-ID: <424D7BC9.3050100@iness.com>

Is there an HTML attribute CSS style or other --  which can write 
protect a form input element so it can't be overwritten with user input?

Sam



From joshua at waetech.com  Fri Apr  1 10:54:12 2005
From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 11:54:12 -0500
Subject: [thelist] The old Google indexing issue 
In-Reply-To: <05e501c536d8$da28ccf0$3800a8c0@herb.londonweb.net>
Message-ID: <mailman.4.1260243058.26980.thelist@lists.evolt.org>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Hayes
> Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 11:32 AM
> 
> I have a transitional website, it is just that.  The site 
> design was XHTML transitional but there is dynamic content 
> from an ActiveX HTML editor... which AFAIK won't even 
> validate as HTML RUBBISH. 
> ( that's TRASH for our friends over the pond).

> My question:  Does anybody know for sure (no guessing :) if 
> this failure to validate is enough to terminate a Google index?

Chris,

The first logical question would be: "Does Google concern itself with XHTML
compliance?"  

What gave you the impression that it parsed the HTML in the document for any
other purposes than the find the content within the page?

<><><><><><><><><><>
Joshua Olson
Web Application Engineer
WAE Tech Inc.
http://www.waetech.com/service_areas/
706.210.0168 



From rob.smith at THERMON.com  Fri Apr  1 11:19:54 2005
From: rob.smith at THERMON.com (Rob Smith)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 11:19:54 -0600 
Subject: [thelist] Protecting a Form Input 
Message-ID: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC92703E7D2DF@smtmb.tmc.local>

I can think of one in Javascript.
onFocus="blur()"

Alternatively, I've used:
<?php echo $some_value; ?>
<input type="hidden" name="some name" value="some value">
 - or -
<%=some_value%>
<input type="hidden" name="some name" value="<%=some_value%>">

Rob


-----Original Message-----
From: Sam Carter [mailto:sam at iness.com]
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 10:50 AM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: [thelist] Protecting a Form Input 


Is there an HTML attribute CSS style or other --  which can write 
protect a form input element so it can't be overwritten with user input?

Sam


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From chris at lwcdial.net  Fri Apr  1 11:27:39 2005
From: chris at lwcdial.net (Chris Hayes)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 18:27:39 +0100
Subject: [thelist] The old Google indexing issue 
References: <17120102516263@mail.lwcdial.net>
Message-ID: <06af01c536e0$2485cd50$3800a8c0@herb.londonweb.net>

>What gave you the impression that it parsed the HTML in the document for any
other purposes than the find the content within the page?
the Web, evolt !

I have an SEO "expert" claiming the incorrect DOCTYPE is causing a problem.  He's going to have to prove it.  I don't want anybody spending any time on this, especially you good folk.  So I really just want to know if anyone can give a quick "Oh yes" or "No way"  in case I mistakenly blow a fuse at this guy .

From Brian at hondaswap.com  Fri Apr  1 11:25:38 2005
From: Brian at hondaswap.com (Brian Cummiskey)
Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 12:25:38 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Protecting a Form Input
In-Reply-To: <424D7BC9.3050100@iness.com>
References: <424D7BC9.3050100@iness.com>
Message-ID: <424D8412.2090501@hondaswap.com>

Sam Carter wrote:
> Is there an HTML attribute CSS style or other --  which can write 
> protect a form input element so it can't be overwritten with user input?
>  

<input type="text" readonly="readonly" value="this can't be overwritten" />


From jjsolari at pobox.com  Fri Apr  1 11:28:29 2005
From: jjsolari at pobox.com (J.J.SOLARI)
Date: Fri,  1 Apr 2005 19:28:29 +0200
Subject: [thelist] Trigger for Spambots IP Address Filtering
In-Reply-To: <006d01c536ce$2c943340$6500a8c0@vn.shawcable.net>
Message-ID: <r02010500-1038-76DCDBFEA2D311D9A865000D93ADFDA4@[10.0.1.2]>

Mark Groen 1/04/05 17:19 -0800:

>that sounds like a lot of work, using mod_rewrite is too at first,
>but then it's just a matter of maintenance:
>
>http://diveintomark.org/archives/2003/02/26/
how_to_block_spambots_ban_spybots_and_tell_unwanted_robots_to_go_to_
hell

Mark,

The method explained in above URL is fine, but this is an all manual
process: one need to look first in the logs for suspicious queries,
then set up an individual rule for each would be robot.

However, one big drawback is that this method will not prevent a bad
robot from doing its job, i.e. query all possible files, thus not
preventing bandwidth 'bad' consumption. More there is no warranty
that bot names will not change at times.

The advantage of recording automatically IP addresses of
ill-behaving robots in such a way is that you can stop immediately
their predating the bandwidth whenever identified as such.


There are also a couple of pages which inspired greatly my
anti-badbot strategy:

<http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum23/1281.htm>
<http://www.kloth.net/internet/bottrap.php>
<http://www.danielwebb.us/software/bot-trap/>

JJS.

From michele at wizardev.ca  Fri Apr  1 11:47:32 2005
From: michele at wizardev.ca (Michele Foster (WizarDev))
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 12:47:32 -0500
Subject: [thelist] The old Google indexing issue 
References: <17120102516263@mail.lwcdial.net>
	<06af01c536e0$2485cd50$3800a8c0@herb.londonweb.net>
Message-ID: <02c601c536e2$e2cc0f20$a989fea9@mef>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Hayes" <chris at lwcdial.net>


> >What gave you the impression that it parsed the HTML in the document for
any
> other purposes than the find the content within the page?
> the Web, evolt !
>
> I have an SEO "expert" claiming the incorrect DOCTYPE is causing a
problem.  He's going to have to prove it.  I don't want anybody spending any
time on this, especially you good folk.  So I really just want to know if
anyone can give a quick "Oh yes" or "No way"  in case I mistakenly blow a
fuse at this guy .
> -- 

To be perfectly honest, I've never heard of anything so ridiculous.  Ok,
yeah I have.  :)

Seriously, I wouldn't mind seeing the page/site if you want to share the
URL.

Just imagine for us Standards purists .. wouldn't it be amazing if Google
refused to index pages that didn't meet even the most basic of
Standards-based web development .. even if that were only to Validate to
specs.  *one can dream*

I think there is an argument to be made, that Google "likes" properly marked
up documents better than ones that are not marked up correctly.
Unfortunately, I don't have time to go find some resources to back up my
argument right now.  I'm sure there are some around though.  :)

Mich


From chris at lwcdial.net  Fri Apr  1 11:44:41 2005
From: chris at lwcdial.net (Chris Hayes)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 18:44:41 +0100
Subject: [thelist] Protecting a Form Input 
References: <424D7BC9.3050100@iness.com>
Message-ID: <075801c536e2$81778650$3800a8c0@herb.londonweb.net>

You can never be too sure your user agent is going to behave the way it's meant to .

For HTML 4.0 there's:
        <input type="text" readonly>

What I do is use a hidden element as the real one and just display another element or <div> with the content not to be changed.


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Sam Carter 
  To: thelist at lists.evolt.org 
  Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 5:50 PM
  Subject: [thelist] Protecting a Form Input 


  Is there an HTML attribute CSS style or other --  which can write 
  protect a form input element so it can't be overwritten with user input?

  Sam


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From mr.sanders at designshift.com  Fri Apr  1 12:11:10 2005
From: mr.sanders at designshift.com (Sarah Sweeney)
Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 14:11:10 -0400
Subject: [thelist] The old Google indexing issue
In-Reply-To: <06af01c536e0$2485cd50$3800a8c0@herb.londonweb.net>
References: <17120102516263@mail.lwcdial.net>
	<06af01c536e0$2485cd50$3800a8c0@herb.londonweb.net>
Message-ID: <424D8EBE.4070208@designshift.com>

> I have an SEO "expert" claiming the incorrect DOCTYPE is causing a
> problem. He's going to have to prove it. I don't want anybody spending
> any time on this, especially you good folk. So I really just want to
> know if anyone can give a quick "Oh yes" or "No way" in case I
> mistakenly blow a fuse at this guy .

If it were the case that failed validation would cause Google to stop 
indexing, I'd say 99.9% of sites in existence would not get indexed by 
Google.

-- 
Sarah Sweeney
web developer & programmer
my portfolio: http://sarah.designshift.com
my blog: http://hardedge.ca
my family: http://geekjock.ca

From sam at iness.com  Fri Apr  1 12:28:42 2005
From: sam at iness.com (Sam Carter)
Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 13:28:42 -0500
Subject: [thelist] Protecting a Form Input
In-Reply-To: <075801c536e2$81778650$3800a8c0@herb.londonweb.net>
References: <424D7BC9.3050100@iness.com>
	<075801c536e2$81778650$3800a8c0@herb.londonweb.net>
Message-ID: <424D92DA.4050102@iness.com>

Chris,

Thanks for the suggestion of using readonly for the used value and to 
everyone for suggesting type="readonly" for the visible element.

Sam



From lists at semioticpixels.com  Fri Apr  1 12:36:35 2005
From: lists at semioticpixels.com (Chris Hardy)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 10:36:35 -0800
Subject: [thelist] The old Google indexing issue 
In-Reply-To: <02c601c536e2$e2cc0f20$a989fea9@mef>
Message-ID: <000201c536e9$bcb84540$6401a8c0@bluedew>

As I recall, part of the "google likes standards" argument is that content
tends to be more machine readable in a standards-compliant website. For
example, search engine bots often only spider a portion of a page so in a
table-based layout you risk feeding markup instead of content to a se bot. 

A couple years ago, there was some discussion over the pros/cons of using a
doctype. I think Peter Paul Koch wrote about it on his website. It seems
unlikely to me that a doctype would influence a se spider since doctypes are
primarily for GUI browsers. However, since everything we think we know about
proprietary search engine bots is speculative, that's just my opinion.

What is the problem that your SEO 'expert' claims is caused by incorrect
DOCTYPE? maybe he's just pointing out that the site doesn't validate?

- chris 
http://www.semioticpixels.com


From chris at lwcdial.net  Fri Apr  1 13:19:56 2005
From: chris at lwcdial.net (Chris Hayes)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 20:19:56 +0100
Subject: [thelist] The old Google indexing issue 
References: <000201c536e9$bcb84540$6401a8c0@bluedew>
Message-ID: <00ac01c536ef$cee9f550$152ca8c0@CHILLI>

Thanks for your responses.  I really have thought of all these arguments and
made the case, it's still come back to me.

The site is:

http://www.motor.org.uk/

In my opinion the problem is the URL structure which is far from standard.
Nevertheless this structure has been in use on this site for years and
didn't have a problem.  It's also built this way with an /index.html suffix
to help various stats packages.

The site stopped indexing after the design upgrade which is why the finger
is still pointing at the DOCTYPE and validation.

If I can discard the DOCTYPE issue I might set about changing all the URLs,
strangely not as big as job as it might seem but I'm not sure what I'll
change it to.

Any better ideas?



From joshua at waetech.com  Fri Apr  1 14:17:56 2005
From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 15:17:56 -0500
Subject: [thelist] The old Google indexing issue 
In-Reply-To: <00ac01c536ef$cee9f550$152ca8c0@CHILLI>
Message-ID: <mailman.5.1260243058.26980.thelist@lists.evolt.org>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Hayes
> Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 2:20 PM

> The site is:
> 
> http://www.motor.org.uk/
> 
> In my opinion the problem is the URL structure which is far 
> from standard.
> Nevertheless this structure has been in use on this site for years and
> didn't have a problem.  It's also built this way with an 
> /index.html suffix
> to help various stats packages.
> 
> The site stopped indexing after the design upgrade which is 
> why the finger
> is still pointing at the DOCTYPE and validation.

Hey Chris,

Try using the main navigation of the site with JS disabled.  There's your
answer!

<><><><><><><><><><>
Joshua Olson
Web Application Engineer
WAE Tech Inc.
http://www.waetech.com/service_areas/
706.210.0168 



From joshua at waetech.com  Fri Apr  1 14:58:39 2005
From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 15:58:39 -0500
Subject: [thelist] The old Google indexing issue 
Message-ID: <mailman.6.1260243058.26980.thelist@lists.evolt.org>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joshua Olson
> Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 3:18 PM
> 

> > The site stopped indexing after the design upgrade which is 
> > why the finger
> > is still pointing at the DOCTYPE and validation.
> 
> Hey Chris,
> 
> Try using the main navigation of the site with JS disabled.  
> There's your answer!

Allow me to elaborate on myself for a second.  I recall hearing at some
point in the past that the googlebot has the smarts to not follow links that
are hidden... at least in a limited sense.  In this case, the navigation
div's have display: none.  If what I heard was right, then google would skip
these links as they were obviously hidden from view.

<><><><><><><><><><>
Joshua Olson
Web Application Engineer
WAE Tech Inc.
http://www.waetech.com/service_areas/
706.210.0168 



From cgeorge at basecorp.com  Fri Apr  1 15:22:41 2005
From: cgeorge at basecorp.com (Chris George)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 14:22:41 -0700
Subject: [thelist] SourceSafe and DW MX 2004?
Message-ID: <6FC38116547DC24FAE1971330795194B21219F@basefs01.corp.basecorp.com>

Hay all,

How the heck do I add a sourcesafe DB to DWMX 2K4 site defs? It doesn't
show up in the Access list _at_all_.

Totally baffles me. 

From chris at lwcdial.net  Fri Apr  1 15:34:21 2005
From: chris at lwcdial.net (Chris Hayes)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 22:34:21 +0100
Subject: [thelist] The old Google indexing issue 
References: <21110337237495@mail.lwcdial.net>
Message-ID: <00f301c53702$94bfd7b0$152ca8c0@CHILLI>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joshua Olson" <joshua at waetech.com>

> > Try using the main navigation of the site with JS disabled.
> > There's your answer!
>
> Allow me to elaborate on myself for a second.  I recall hearing at some
> point in the past that the googlebot has the smarts to not follow links
that
> are hidden... at least in a limited sense.  In this case, the navigation
> div's have display: none.  If what I heard was right, then google would
skip
> these links as they were obviously hidden from view.
>

It's a fair point.

This is a long-running headache for me, the client insisted on these JS
menus, I had a big problem with mostly because the spec was to advance to a
more accessible design.  The result is my best guess compromise, it still
works without styles / js (although I can see an improvement right away... I
might make the js hide the sub menus after the page has loaded).   It would
be a laugh if the problem was this.

Anyway, the Sitemap link is not hidden, and the resulting page contains all
the hidden links on the menu.  Google should be able to index?  Unless it
decides to ignore visible links that are hidden elsewhere.



PS Also.. before you mention...yes the META keywords and description are
empty.. this is in the control of the SEO expert.





From markgroen at gmail.com  Fri Apr  1 21:39:16 2005
From: markgroen at gmail.com (Mark Groen)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 19:39:16 -0800
Subject: [thelist] Trigger for Spambots IP Address Filtering
References: <r02010500-1038-76DCDBFEA2D311D9A865000D93ADFDA4@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <005301c53735$8d260280$6500a8c0@vn.shawcable.net>

The advantage of recording automatically IP addresses of
ill-behaving robots in such a way is that you can stop immediately
their predating the bandwidth whenever identified as such.

There are also a couple of pages which inspired greatly my
anti-badbot strategy:

<http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum23/1281.htm>
<http://www.kloth.net/internet/bottrap.php>
<http://www.danielwebb.us/software/bot-trap/>

I see your point, will dive into the links, txs!

cheers,

       Mark



From rich at richpoints.com  Sat Apr  2 12:02:23 2005
From: rich at richpoints.com (Rich Points)
Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 11:02:23 -0700
Subject: [thelist] Contribute 3 and PHP inculdes??
Message-ID: <424EDE2F.2070108@richpoints.com>

  Howdy,
I'm using Contribute 3 with php includes but they don't work in when I 
publish the page.  What happens is the absolute paths are displayed and 
the includes are not.  I've searched around the Contribute Forums and I 
can't find the answer.

Anyone know how to make this work?

Thanks
Rich

From chris at logorocks.com  Sat Apr  2 12:31:47 2005
From: chris at logorocks.com (Chris Kavanagh)
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 19:31:47 +0100
Subject: [thelist] worldpay?  or not?
Message-ID: <78869AEC-A3A5-11D9-88C4-000393971BD0@logorocks.com>

Dear list,

I've been asked to put together a simple site that supports credit card 
transactions, so I need a credit card...ummm...authoriser?  Like 
Worldpay.

Anyway, in the opinion of the list, are Worldpay a good choice?  The 
client is - get this! - an escort agency.  Transactions will typically 
be ?500-?1000.

Thanks in advance,
CK.

From lists at onlinetools.org  Sat Apr  2 13:22:31 2005
From: lists at onlinetools.org (Christian Heilmann)
Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 20:22:31 +0100
Subject: [thelist] Contribute 3 and PHP inculdes??
In-Reply-To: <424EDE2F.2070108@richpoints.com>
References: <424EDE2F.2070108@richpoints.com>
Message-ID: <424EF0F7.9030109@onlinetools.org>

Rich Points wrote:

>  Howdy,
> I'm using Contribute 3 with php includes but they don't work in when I 
> publish the page.  What happens is the absolute paths are displayed 
> and the includes are not.  I've searched around the Contribute Forums 
> and I can't find the answer.
>
> Anyone know how to make this work?
>
Works for me. In the contribute preview you'll see the PHP icon but  in  
the published page they work. Are the pages published with the .php 
extension?


From Niceperrson at aol.com  Sat Apr  2 14:12:21 2005
From: Niceperrson at aol.com (Niceperrson at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 15:12:21 EST
Subject: [thelist] Front Page Web Design Question 
Message-ID: <64.5234562b.2f8056a5@aol.com>

How do I tell Frontpage When I am building a web site and I only want the 
person that I am buidling the website for to see the web site via the web. Any 
help would be appreciated. Thanks alot. 

Nice Person 

From Niceperrson at aol.com  Sat Apr  2 14:41:55 2005
From: Niceperrson at aol.com (Niceperrson at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 15:41:55 EST
Subject: [thelist] Frontpage Question 
Message-ID: <c.422d1b46.2f805d93@aol.com>

How do I tell Frontpage that the website I am about to post to my host is 
only to be viewed by the person I am designing the website for. Lot's of times 
when you post a webpage or website to your host these robots take your pages and 
post them so the world can see even when you are not ready for the world to 
see. Please help me if you can

From lists at onlinetools.org  Sat Apr  2 15:41:43 2005
From: lists at onlinetools.org (Christian Heilmann)
Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 22:41:43 +0100
Subject: [thelist] Frontpage Question
In-Reply-To: <c.422d1b46.2f805d93@aol.com>
References: <c.422d1b46.2f805d93@aol.com>
Message-ID: <424F1197.50605@onlinetools.org>

Niceperrson at aol.com wrote:

>How do I tell Frontpage that the website I am about to post to my host is 
>only to be viewed by the person I am designing the website for. Lot's of times 
>when you post a webpage or website to your host these robots take your pages and 
>post them so the world can see even when you are not ready for the world to 
>see. Please help me if you can
>  
>
I never used frontpage (and I advise anybody doing web design to keep 
FAR away from it, too) but I guess there is no way to do that with it. 
It is a server thing, the easiest option is to protect the folder you 
are uploading to with a login. As we don't know  your server, we cannot 
help you further. On apache you do it via .htaccess.





From alan.lloyd at hosting-reserve.co.uk  Sat Apr  2 15:18:45 2005
From: alan.lloyd at hosting-reserve.co.uk (Alan Lloyd [Hosting Reserve])
Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 22:18:45 +0100
Subject: [thelist] Frontpage Question
In-Reply-To: <c.422d1b46.2f805d93@aol.com>
References: <c.422d1b46.2f805d93@aol.com>
Message-ID: <424F0C35.7020405@hosting-reserve.co.uk>

Niceperrson at aol.com wrote:
> How do I tell Frontpage that the website I am about to post to my host is 
> only to be viewed by the person I am designing the website for. Lot's of times 
> when you post a webpage or website to your host these robots take your pages and 
> post them so the world can see even when you are not ready for the world to 
> see. Please help me if you can

If you post it on the web then it is available for *anyone* to see. You 
could password protect the directory the site is in using .htaccess (see 
http://www-ss.com for a guide on how to use htaccess)

Not sure how to do it in Frontpage though.

Alan

From robertcrawford at peoplepc.com  Sat Apr  2 15:58:10 2005
From: robertcrawford at peoplepc.com (Robert Crawford)
Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 15:58:10 -0600
Subject: [thelist] Frontpage Question
In-Reply-To: <c.422d1b46.2f805d93@aol.com>
References: <c.422d1b46.2f805d93@aol.com>
Message-ID: <424F1572.6080803@peoplepc.com>

Niceperrson at aol.com said the following on 4/2/2005 2:41 PM:

>How do I tell Frontpage that the website I am about to post to my host is 
>only to be viewed by the person I am designing the website for. Lot's of times 
>when you post a webpage or website to your host these robots take your pages and 
>post them so the world can see even when you are not ready for the world to 
>see. Please help me if you can
>  
>
This link about meta tag & robots might help.

http://www.robotstxt.org/wc/meta-user.html

Robert


From volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com  Sat Apr  2 23:43:11 2005
From: volkan.ozcelik at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-9?Q?VOLKAN_=D6Z=C7EL=DDK?=)
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 08:43:11 +0300
Subject: [thelist] Front Page Web Design Question
In-Reply-To: <64.5234562b.2f8056a5@aol.com>
References: <64.5234562b.2f8056a5@aol.com>
Message-ID: <dfc81b09050402214376f0c215@mail.gmail.com>

Make the site password-protected, which can be done by several means,
and give the password to whom it concerns.

Does it make sense?



On Apr 2, 2005 11:12 PM, Niceperrson at aol.com <Niceperrson at aol.com> wrote:
> How do I tell Frontpage When I am building a web site and I only want the
> person that I am buidling the website for to see the web site via the web. Any
> help would be appreciated. Thanks alot.
> 
> Nice Person
> --
> 
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From thelist at meidomus.com  Sun Apr  3 00:38:59 2005
From: thelist at meidomus.com (Burhan Khalid)
Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 09:38:59 +0300
Subject: [thelist] worldpay?  or not?
In-Reply-To: <78869AEC-A3A5-11D9-88C4-000393971BD0@logorocks.com>
References: <78869AEC-A3A5-11D9-88C4-000393971BD0@logorocks.com>
Message-ID: <424F8F83.50504@meidomus.com>

Chris Kavanagh wrote:
> Dear list,
> 
> I've been asked to put together a simple site that supports credit card 
> transactions, so I need a credit card...ummm...authoriser?  Like Worldpay.
> 
> Anyway, in the opinion of the list, are Worldpay a good choice?  The 
> client is - get this! - an escort agency.  Transactions will typically 
> be ?500-?1000.

My first concern would be if gateway providers allow such transactions? 
  Anyway, I've heard good things about Authorize.net

From rich at richpoints.com  Sat Apr  2 17:29:22 2005
From: rich at richpoints.com (Rich Points)
Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 16:29:22 -0700
Subject: [thelist] Contribute 3 and PHP inculdes??
In-Reply-To: <424EF0F7.9030109@onlinetools.org>
References: <424EDE2F.2070108@richpoints.com>
	<424EF0F7.9030109@onlinetools.org>
Message-ID: <424F2AD2.9070105@richpoints.com>

I should also say this is a new document from a template with a .dwt 
file extension.  When I make a new page it looks as it should in edit 
mode but when I save it to a .php file it doesn't work.

Rich

Christian Heilmann wrote:
> Rich Points wrote:
> 
>>  Howdy,
>> I'm using Contribute 3 with php includes but they don't work in when I 
>> publish the page.  What happens is the absolute paths are displayed 
>> and the includes are not.  I've searched around the Contribute Forums 
>> and I can't find the answer.
>>
>> Anyone know how to make this work?
>>
> Works for me. In the contribute preview you'll see the PHP icon but  in  
> the published page they work. Are the pages published with the .php 
> extension?
> 

From tbrunn at pgmusic.com  Sun Apr  3 03:12:16 2005
From: tbrunn at pgmusic.com (Travis)
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 00:12:16 -0800
Subject: [thelist] actionscript question
References: 	<424EDE2F.2070108@richpoints.com><424EF0F7.9030109@onlinetools.org>
	<424F2AD2.9070105@richpoints.com>
Message-ID: <000601c53824$d91fdf90$6d0eb5d0@trav37414bc0ea>

Hi all,

I'm getting started learning actionscript, and am running into some 
weirdness.

I want to load a movie into movieclip, and have the visibility of the clip 
sent to none, until I need it later on. So, here's what my code looks 
like...

createEmptyMovieClip("container", 1);
container._visible = false;
container.loadMovie("submovie.swf");

well, this works just fine - the movie loads the way you'd expect. However, 
it immediately appears on the stage - seeming to ignore the _visible 
property.

Curiously, if I set container._alpha = 10, this work as expected.

Can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong? Does loadMovie automatically set 
the visibility of a clip to true, and there is no way around this?

Thanks in advance for your help!

-travis 


From Ken at adOpenStatic.com  Sun Apr  3 03:28:18 2005
From: Ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer)
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 18:28:18 +1000
Subject: [thelist] Frontpage Question 
Message-ID: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E6914B8B0@kjserver1.kjhome.local>

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-
: bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Niceperrson at aol.com
: Subject: [thelist] Frontpage Question
: 
: How do I tell Frontpage that the website I am about to post 
: to my host is only to be viewed by the person I am designing 
: the website for. Lot's of times when you post a webpage or 
: website to your host these robots take your pages and
: post them so the world can see even when you are not 
: ready for the world to see.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

As a number of people have pointed out, you need to do this "server-side"

Frontpage is a tool that you use for designing a website or webpage. However
it is up to the server to control who gets access to that content. AFAIK
there is no easy way to do this in Frontpage, as Frontpage isn't aware of the
server that's going to be hosting the content.

Frontpage may have some tools that will let you build a password protection
system for the content - you are probably best off asking in a Frontpage
specific forum (eg newsgroup) about that though.

Cheers
Ken

--
www.adOpenStatic.com/cs/blogs/ken/

From Ken at adOpenStatic.com  Sun Apr  3 03:39:25 2005
From: Ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer)
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 18:39:25 +1000
Subject: [thelist] [semi-OT] Opening Links from Combo Boxes in Excel
Message-ID: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E6914B8B1@kjserver1.kjhome.local>

Why are you trying to use the Shell?

The Excel Workbook object has a .FollowHyperlink method that seems ideal for
what you need to do:

<quote>
FollowHyperlink Method

Displays a cached document, if it's already been downloaded. Otherwise, this
method resolves the hyperlink, downloads the target document, and displays
the document in the appropriate application.

expression.FollowHyperlink(Address, SubAddress, NewWindow, AddHistory,
ExtraInfo, Method, HeaderInfo)
expression    Required. An expression that returns a Workbook object.

Address    Required String. The address of the target document.

SubAddress    Optional Variant. The location within the target document. The
default value is the empty string.

NewWindow    Optional Variant. True to display the target application in a
new window. The default value is False.

AddHistory    Optional Variant. Not used. Reserved for future use.

ExtraInfo    Optional Variant. A String or byte array that specifies
additional information for HTTP to use to resolve the hyperlink. For example,
you can use ExtraInfo to specify the coordinates of an image map, the
contents of a form, or a FAT file name.

Method    Optional Variant. Specifies the way ExtraInfo is attached. Can be
one of the following MsoExtraInfoMethod constants.

MsoExtraInfoMethod type can be one of these MsoExtraInfoMethod constants. 
msoMethodGet. ExtraInfo is a String that's appended to the address. 
msoMethodPost. ExtraInfo is posted as a String or byte array. 

HeaderInfo    Optional Variant. A String that specifies header information
for the HTTP request. The defaut value is an empty string.

Example
This example loads the document at example.microsoft.com in a new window and
adds it to the History folder.

ActiveWorkbook.FollowHyperlink Address:="http://example.microsoft.com", _
    NewWindow:=True
</quote>

Cheers
Ken

--
www.adOpenStatic.com/cs/blogs/ken/


: From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-
: bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Rob Smith
: Subject: RE: [thelist] [semi-OT] Opening Links from Combo Boxes in Excel
: 
: <snip>
: You have to make sure that it is in fact a hyperlink. Click
: Insert->Hyperlink and follow the directions. If you need to edit you can
: right click the cell and makes your edits
: </snip>
: 
: No dice. You can't have a combobox selected and choose Insert>Hyperlink.
: That option is grayed out. I have gotten the following to work:
: 
: Sub DropDown1_Change()
:     Dim RetVal
:     RetVal = Shell("C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\Office\WINWORD.EXE",
: 1)
:     AppActivate RetVal
: End Sub
: 
: but not this:
: 
: Sub DropDown1_Change()
:     Dim RetVal
:     RetVal = Shell("http://www.thermon.com", 1)
:     AppActivate RetVal
: End Sub
: 
: Says file doesn't exist. Then my next question is that I can point this to
: IExplore.exe or whatever. Does IE take arguments? Can Shell in the macro
: handle passing arguments? The manual doesn't suggest that I can do that.
: 
: Rob

From erik at erikheerlein.com  Sun Apr  3 09:29:57 2005
From: erik at erikheerlein.com (Erik Heerlein)
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 10:29:57 -0400
Subject: [thelist] actionscript question
In-Reply-To: <000601c53824$d91fdf90$6d0eb5d0@trav37414bc0ea>
References: 	<424EDE2F.2070108@richpoints.com><424EF0F7.9030109@onlinetools.org>
	<424F2AD2.9070105@richpoints.com>
	<000601c53824$d91fdf90$6d0eb5d0@trav37414bc0ea>
Message-ID: <eab2cb7900dc26b5889a52acef8f58a2@erikheerlein.com>

> Can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong? Does loadMovie automatically 
> set the visibility of a clip to true, and there is no way around this?

You could position the movie clip off stage instead of using visibility 
as a workaround. Then move the clip onstage when you want to see it.


[>] Erik Heerlein


From kath at cyber-kat.com  Sun Apr  3 11:19:51 2005
From: kath at cyber-kat.com (Kath)
Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 12:19:51 -0400
Subject: [thelist] Database Design help
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050403120225.042ace30@cyber-kat.com>

If I recall correctly, we have some database gurus on the list.  I'm hoping 
that you can help with a design dilemma I have.

I'm a database newbie attempting to design a database that will hold the 
restaurant info on this site - http://www.gemsguides.com/

So far I have 4 tables:
Restaurants with RestID (key) RestName, RestAddress, City, RestPhone and 
CuisineType fields
Cities with CityID, CityName, CityAbrev, ColorCode fields
CuisineType with CuisineID and cuisineType
Service Key with ServiceID, City (because of the color coding), ServiceType 
and iconURL

As you can see from the site (which is static right now) each restaurant is 
color-coded by city, listed by Cuisine Type and each has icons for the 
services offered.

I'm stuck on how to get the services tied into the Restaurants and in the 
correct color key.

My client only has a few restaurants contracted for the initial issue of 
their guide, but they hope to add many more.  I thought the best way to 
keep track and organize them would be in a database.  This will allow me to 
do dynamic pages that could be sorted by cuisine, location or service type.

I started a table - Restaurant Services with Restaurant names and service 
types, but I'm unsure of how to proceed to connect the two and get them 
color coded correctly.  Can anyone help?

I'm doing my basic design in Access because I find it easier to "think" in 
Access terms, but I plan on converting it to MySQL once the design is set.

TIA

Kath ...
Established 1995 --> www.cyber-kat.com
"The greatest of faults, I should say, is to be conscious of none." -Thomas
Carlyle, writer (1795-1881) 



From markgroen at gmail.com  Sun Apr  3 12:23:05 2005
From: markgroen at gmail.com (Mark Groen)
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 10:23:05 -0700
Subject: [thelist] Database Design help
References: <6.2.1.2.2.20050403120225.042ace30@cyber-kat.com>
Message-ID: <001101c53871$cd96d000$6500a8c0@vn.shawcable.net>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kath" <>
To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: April 3, 2005 9:19 AM
Subject: [thelist] Database Design help


> I'm a database newbie attempting to design a database that will
hold the
> restaurant info on this site - http://www.gemsguides.com/

not a guru myself, but the list is slow on weekends so will take a go
at it...

> So far I have 4 tables:

Too many tables for this db imho, you only have four cities and if
you make your edit area for the client have that option as a drop
down, you'll be sure to get only the data you want in that field and
the colour code becomes not needed (in the database that is, you
would change the colour as per the output of which city it is - if
city equals something, then the css class for that list item is
something) as it's already sorted by the city.

> I'm stuck on how to get the services tied into the Restaurants and
in the
> correct color key.

Having each restaurants' info all in the same row of the table keeps
you from having to do complicated joins later. iirc, it's a bit
bigger hit in some scenarios to have just one table, but you're not
really dealing with much data here and php/mysql would whip through
it in a couple nanoceconds.

It would be really quick for the client to just click drop downs for
everything but the name, phone number and address on inputting the
data, then later the site visitor could make a selection from drop
downs of the features/location they want in a restaurant and voila,
just what they are looking for.

Easier coding the forms too, build one and then the edit/insert forms
for the admin area are basically the same (to you) with the field
values tweaked and almost the same forms for the site visitor as
well.

> types, but I'm unsure of how to proceed to connect the two and get
them
> color coded correctly.  Can anyone help?

see above, if city = $x then cssClass = foo

just some ideas thrown out on a Sunday morning...hth!

cheers,

       Mark




From john at johnallsopp.co.uk  Sun Apr  3 12:38:50 2005
From: john at johnallsopp.co.uk (john at johnallsopp.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 13:38:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [thelist] Database Design help
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050403120225.042ace30@cyber-kat.com>
References: <6.2.1.2.2.20050403120225.042ace30@cyber-kat.com>
Message-ID: <50228.82.195.105.100.1112549930.squirrel@www.johnallsopp.co.uk>

>  http://www.gemsguides.com/

> So far I have 4 tables:
> Restaurants with RestID (key) RestName, RestAddress, City, RestPhone
> and
> CuisineType fields
> Cities with CityID, CityName, CityAbrev, ColorCode fields
> CuisineType with CuisineID and cuisineType
> Service Key with ServiceID, City (because of the color coding),
> ServiceType
> and iconURL

> I'm stuck on how to get the services tied into the Restaurants

I'm not one of the database experts, but here's my take on it and
we'll see if I'm close to right :-)

Because Restaurants and Services have a many to many relationship .. a
restaurant can offer many services, and a service may be available
from many restaurants, you need a new table (call it availability
perhaps). It has two fields, RestID and ServiceID. The combination of
both is unique, and forms the primary key. So, that table contains,
for instance, Rest1 Service1, Rest1 Service3, Rest2 Service1, Rest3
Service8, anon.

Then you connect the whole lot together with your SQL, so family
friendly restaurants are Select * from restaurant, service,
availability where restaurant.RestID=availability.RestID and
availability.serviceID=service.serviceId and
service.serviceType="family friendly";

I don't think you need the CityID in the Service table (because you'll
get to it through the restaurant table.

You might want to look up database normalisation for the principles
behind this.

HTH
J

From tbrunn at pgmusic.com  Sun Apr  3 17:38:08 2005
From: tbrunn at pgmusic.com (Travis)
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 15:38:08 -0700
Subject: [thelist] actionscript question
References: 	<424EDE2F.2070108@richpoints.com><424EF0F7.9030109@onlinetools.org><424F2AD2.9070105@richpoints.com><000601c53824$d91fdf90$6d0eb5d0@trav37414bc0ea>
	<eab2cb7900dc26b5889a52acef8f58a2@erikheerlein.com>
Message-ID: <001601c5389d$cf6a0560$6d0eb5d0@trav37414bc0ea>

Hi Erik, thanks for the reply.

I was trying to avoid that solution, since having the movieclip visible 
impedes performance, even if it is somewhere off the stage.

After more research, I found a little technote.  Apparently when you load a 
movie into an empty movieclip, all the properties on that clip are reset. 
The way to get around this (if you don't want to use the new moviecliploader 
technique) is to specify the properties in an onClipEvent.  So...

onClipEvent(load){
 this._visible = false;
}

...seems to work.

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To: <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 7:29 AM
Subject: Re: [thelist] actionscript question


>> Can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong? Does loadMovie automatically set 
>> the visibility of a clip to true, and there is no way around this?
>
> You could position the movie clip off stage instead of using visibility as 
> a workaround. Then move the clip onstage when you want to see it.
>
>
> [>] Erik Heerlein
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From russ at unrealisticexpectations.com  Sun Apr  3 19:38:58 2005
From: russ at unrealisticexpectations.com (Russ)
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 19:38:58 -0500
Subject: [thelist] CFMX Error
In-Reply-To: <20050403230013.32152.qmail@acornparenting.org>
Message-ID: <002b01c538ae$b0b36920$6501a8c0@autolycus>

All,

I've been coding along nicely today, and then suddenly, on my test
server, I notice that I'm getting a 500 error when I submit a form.

I checked all of my includes.  They appear to be intact.  I push to my
prod server to check against everything, and the same thing happens, but
my logs report this:

[Sun Apr  3 19:23:26 2005] [error] [client <ip address>] File does not
exist: /home/website/public_html/CFIDE/scripts/cfform.js

Now, I'll always admit to being more of a hack with CF than an actual
developer, and if it weren't for forums just like this, I'd probably not
have completed more than a couple of my projects.  I'm lost.  I'm just
not sure what's going on here and I've a feeling I've just made a syntax
snafu that's causing this to be a bit ugly.... But then again, I could
be wrong, as I've just noticed it's happening on a couple of other CFMX
sites on my server.

Can anyone offer any insight/guidance here? I'm really struggling with
this.

Thanks,

Russ 



From mark.mandel at gmail.com  Sun Apr  3 20:25:30 2005
From: mark.mandel at gmail.com (Mark Mandel)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 11:25:30 +1000
Subject: [thelist] CFMX Error
In-Reply-To: <002b01c538ae$b0b36920$6501a8c0@autolycus>
References: <20050403230013.32152.qmail@acornparenting.org>
	 <002b01c538ae$b0b36920$6501a8c0@autolycus>
Message-ID: <4153ee2305040318254a689e34@mail.gmail.com>

Easy option for debugging - 

Start dropping <cfabort> at the beginning of yoru application.

Reload (probably get a blank page, not a 500).

Move the <cfabort> down the page (or application) as you follow your code.

When you get the 500 again, you know where your error is.

Mark

On Apr 4, 2005 10:38 AM, Russ <russ at unrealisticexpectations.com> wrote:
> All,
> 
> I've been coding along nicely today, and then suddenly, on my test
> server, I notice that I'm getting a 500 error when I submit a form.
> 
> I checked all of my includes.  They appear to be intact.  I push to my
> prod server to check against everything, and the same thing happens, but
> my logs report this:
> 
> [Sun Apr  3 19:23:26 2005] [error] [client <ip address>] File does not
> exist: /home/website/public_html/CFIDE/scripts/cfform.js
> 
> Now, I'll always admit to being more of a hack with CF than an actual
> developer, and if it weren't for forums just like this, I'd probably not
> have completed more than a couple of my projects.  I'm lost.  I'm just
> not sure what's going on here and I've a feeling I've just made a syntax
> snafu that's causing this to be a bit ugly.... But then again, I could
> be wrong, as I've just noticed it's happening on a couple of other CFMX
> sites on my server.
> 
> Can anyone offer any insight/guidance here? I'm really struggling with
> this.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Russ
> 


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From Ken at adOpenStatic.com  Sun Apr  3 20:38:04 2005
From: Ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 11:38:04 +1000
Subject: [thelist] CFMX Error
Message-ID: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E6914B8B9@kjserver1.kjhome.local>

I assume that Dreamweaver MX (or the Studio product) would ship with a
debugger as well? Something that would let you step through your code until
an exception was raised?

Cheers
Ken

--
www.adOpenStatic.com/cs/blogs/ken/ 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-
: bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Mark Mandel
: Subject: Re: [thelist] CFMX Error
: 
: Easy option for debugging -
: 
: Start dropping <cfabort> at the beginning of yoru application.
: 
: Reload (probably get a blank page, not a 500).
: 
: Move the <cfabort> down the page (or application) as you follow your code.
: 
: When you get the 500 again, you know where your error is.
: 
: Mark
: 
: On Apr 4, 2005 10:38 AM, Russ <russ at unrealisticexpectations.com> wrote:
: > All,
: >
: > I've been coding along nicely today, and then suddenly, on my test
: > server, I notice that I'm getting a 500 error when I submit a form.
: >
: > I checked all of my includes.  They appear to be intact.  I push to my
: > prod server to check against everything, and the same thing happens, but
: > my logs report this:
: >
: > [Sun Apr  3 19:23:26 2005] [error] [client <ip address>] File does not
: > exist: /home/website/public_html/CFIDE/scripts/cfform.js
: >
: > Now, I'll always admit to being more of a hack with CF than an actual
: > developer, and if it weren't for forums just like this, I'd probably not
: > have completed more than a couple of my projects.  I'm lost.  I'm just
: > not sure what's going on here and I've a feeling I've just made a syntax
: > snafu that's causing this to be a bit ugly.... But then again, I could
: > be wrong, as I've just noticed it's happening on a couple of other CFMX
: > sites on my server.

From mark.mandel at gmail.com  Sun Apr  3 21:05:37 2005
From: mark.mandel at gmail.com (Mark Mandel)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 12:05:37 +1000
Subject: [thelist] CFMX Error
In-Reply-To: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E6914B8B9@kjserver1.kjhome.local>
References: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E6914B8B9@kjserver1.kjhome.local>
Message-ID: <4153ee2305040319051d6041c2@mail.gmail.com>

Yeah - but the debugger on CF has never been very good...

Hence the cfabort option is actually alot easier.

Mark

On Apr 4, 2005 11:38 AM, Ken Schaefer <Ken at adopenstatic.com> wrote:
> I assume that Dreamweaver MX (or the Studio product) would ship with a
> debugger as well? Something that would let you step through your code until
> an exception was raised?
> 
> Cheers
> Ken
> 
> --
> www.adOpenStatic.com/cs/blogs/ken/
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From russ at unrealisticexpectations.com  Sun Apr  3 21:43:12 2005
From: russ at unrealisticexpectations.com (Russ)
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 21:43:12 -0500
Subject: [thelist] CFMX Error
In-Reply-To: <4153ee2305040319051d6041c2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003701c538c0$0be0df10$6501a8c0@autolycus>

Okay, using CFABORT and moving some code around led to the realization
that I included a wrong combo with CFMAIL (to, from, replyto, failto)
and I'm debugging that now.

Odd that it seemed to be reporting itself the other way, but this has
driven me in the right direction and I really appreciate it and all the
other suggestions.

Thanks!

Russ

> -----Original Message-----
> From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org 
> [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Mark Mandel
> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 9:06 PM
> To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Subject: Re: [thelist] CFMX Error
> 
> 
> Yeah - but the debugger on CF has never been very good...
> 
> Hence the cfabort option is actually alot easier.
> 
> Mark
> 
> On Apr 4, 2005 11:38 AM, Ken Schaefer <Ken at adopenstatic.com> wrote:
> > I assume that Dreamweaver MX (or the Studio product) would 
> ship with a
> > debugger as well? Something that would let you step through 
> your code until
> > an exception was raised?



From noah at tookish.net  Sun Apr  3 23:13:57 2005
From: noah at tookish.net (Noah St.Amand)
Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 00:13:57 -0400
Subject: [thelist] Navigating the DOM
Message-ID: <4250BF05.4040301@tookish.net>

Hi,

I'm trying to implement a drop-down menu script on a site built around a 
CMS. The CMS generates the menu, and so it doesn't have the hooks that I 
would typically use to make the drop-down script work.

Is it possible to refer to an element that doesn't have an id? To be 
specific, given this HTML:

<div id="shortcuts">
   <div class="block block-menu" id="block-menu-36">
     <h3>Shortcuts</h3>
     <div class="menu">
       <ul>
         <li class="expanded"><a href="residents" title="">Residents</a>
           <ul>

Is there anyway to do this in the javascript:

var menu = "the last ul in the example above"
var actuator = "the a after <li class="expanded"> in the example above"

I've tried a bunch of variations beginning with:

document.getElementById("shortcuts").firstchild.

Which I think gets me as far as the div with the id "block-menu-36", but 
I can't seem to get any further. I'd like to start from "shortcuts" 
because this is something I set in the template, rather than something 
generated by the CMS (so if it changes, it will be because I changed it).

On a vaguely related note, can anyone recommend a good DOM scripting 
book for someone with a fair bit of server-side coding experience, but 
very little on the client side? I'm pretty fluent in CSS, but basically 
  useless with Javascript (see exhibit A above). I would prefer 
something standards-oriented, and something that might help me get 
started using Ajax[1].

Thanks for any help.

Noah

[1] <http://www.adaptivepath.com/publications/essays/archives/000385.php>


From mwarden at gmail.com  Sun Apr  3 23:55:33 2005
From: mwarden at gmail.com (Matt Warden)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 00:55:33 -0400
Subject: [thelist] Navigating the DOM
In-Reply-To: <4250BF05.4040301@tookish.net>
References: <4250BF05.4040301@tookish.net>
Message-ID: <bbc8fa430504032155141442da@mail.gmail.com>

On Apr 4, 2005 12:13 AM, Noah St.Amand <noah at tookish.net> wrote:
> <div id="shortcuts">
>    <div class="block block-menu" id="block-menu-36">
>      <h3>Shortcuts</h3>
>      <div class="menu">
>        <ul>
>          <li class="expanded"><a href="residents" title="">Residents</a>
>            <ul>
> 
> Is there anyway to do this in the javascript:
> 
> var menu = "the last ul in the example above"
> var actuator = "the a after <li class="expanded"> in the example above"

We can give you a specific solution, but it might just be easier for
you to use cssquery:

http://dean.edwards.name/my/

var menu = cssQuery('.expanded > ul', document.getElementById('shortcuts'));

or

var menu = cssQuery('div > ul > li > ul', document.getElementById('shortcuts'));

and then 
var actuator = cssQuery('a', menu);

note that it returns an array of matches, even though you are
expecting only a single match in the array.



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Miami University
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