From Ken at adOpenStatic.com Mon Jul 4 02:57:01 2005 From: Ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 11:57:01 +1000 Subject: [thelist] Secure FTP Message-ID: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E6914BCC3@kjserver1.kjhome.local> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : From: thelist-bounces@lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist- : bounces@lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Keith : Subject: Re: [thelist] Secure FTP :=20 : At 04:07 AM Sunday 7/3/2005, you wrote: :=20 : >Jason Handby wrote: : >>>I've got a customer asking for "secure ftp" to our server. : >>> : >>>Is there an off-the-shelf package for windows that'll provide this : service? :=20 : If you already have a secure certificate for the site=20 : and FrontPage Extensions running you already have=20 : what you need. :=20 : When you open it Explorer logs in to the web folder=20 : on the site and morphs into an FTP client. Viola,=20 : you have secure File Transfer using the https : protocol. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ FWIW: This is actually WebDAV over HTTPS, not FTP. And it doesn't require FPSE on the server either - IIS 5 and 6 both = support WebDAV without requiring FPSE to be installed/enabled. Cheers Ken -- IIS Stuff: www.adOpenStatic.com/cs/blogs/ken/=20 From j at firebright.com Mon Jul 4 03:15:52 2005 From: j at firebright.com (Jonathan) Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 19:15:52 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Secure FTP In-Reply-To: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E6914BCC3@kjserver1.kjhome.local> References: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E6914BCC3@kjserver1.kjhome.local> Message-ID: <42C89BD8.3050409@firebright.com> Ken Schaefer wrote: >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >: From: thelist-bounces@lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist- >: bounces@lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Keith >: Subject: Re: [thelist] Secure FTP >: >: At 04:07 AM Sunday 7/3/2005, you wrote: >: >: >Jason Handby wrote: >: >>>I've got a customer asking for "secure ftp" to our server. >: >>> >: >>>Is there an off-the-shelf package for windows that'll provide this >: service? >: >: If you already have a secure certificate for the site >: and FrontPage Extensions running you already have >: what you need. >: > >: When you open it Explorer logs in to the web folder >: on the site and morphs into an FTP client. Viola, >: you have secure File Transfer using the https >: protocol. >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >FWIW: > >This is actually WebDAV over HTTPS, not FTP. > > Yes, but WebDAV over HTTPS is excessively difficult to configure for many admins. Dude, KISS. I would install OpenSSH (guide here: http://pigtail.net/LRP/printsrv/cygwin-sshd.html), and then use WinSCP (www.winscp.com) as a client. It's free, easy, and the same for both Windows and Linux, so you don't have to retrain to introduce different platforms (which is HUGE in a big company). Jonathan From Ken at adOpenStatic.com Mon Jul 4 03:39:35 2005 From: Ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 12:39:35 +1000 Subject: [thelist] Secure FTP Message-ID: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E6914BCC4@kjserver1.kjhome.local> : -----Original Message----- : From: thelist-bounces@lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist- : bounces@lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan : Subject: Re: [thelist] Secure FTP :=20 : >: From: thelist-bounces@lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist- : >: bounces@lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Keith : >: Subject: Re: [thelist] Secure FTP : >: : >: At 04:07 AM Sunday 7/3/2005, you wrote: : >: : >: >Jason Handby wrote: : >: >>>I've got a customer asking for "secure ftp" to our server. : >: >>> : >: >>>Is there an off-the-shelf package for windows that'll provide = this : >: service? : >: : >: If you already have a secure certificate for the site : >: and FrontPage Extensions running you already have : >: what you need. : >: : >: : > : >FWIW: : > : >This is actually WebDAV over HTTPS, not FTP. : > : > : Yes, but WebDAV over HTTPS is excessively difficult to configure for : many admins. You're joking right? Enabling WebDAV on IIS6 involves: a) enabling WebDAV via the IIS Manager b) choosing which folders should allow writes (again via IIS Manager) c) choosing which users/groups should have the ability to write (via = NTFS permissions, so use Explorer) Should take ~1 minute if you're doing a simple setup. It takes even less = time on Windows 2000 because that isn't locked down like IIS6 is. Now admins *administer* servers. That's their job. If doing some point-n-click via a GUI interface is too difficult for an administrator, = then perhaps they should be in some other line of work. Cheers Ken IIS Stuff: www.adopenstatic.com/cs/blogs/ken/ From j at firebright.com Mon Jul 4 04:13:07 2005 From: j at firebright.com (Jonathan) Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 20:13:07 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Secure FTP In-Reply-To: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E6914BCC4@kjserver1.kjhome.local> References: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E6914BCC4@kjserver1.kjhome.local> Message-ID: <42C8A943.8010905@firebright.com> >You're joking right? > >Enabling WebDAV on IIS6 involves: >a) enabling WebDAV via the IIS Manager >b) choosing which folders should allow writes (again via IIS Manager) >c) choosing which users/groups should have the ability to write (via NTFS >permissions, so use Explorer) > Ah, no. Wasn't joking. I don't use Windows for anything meaningful on the web, so I should have phrased that differently. Thanks for the tip. Webdav is an excellent protocol, and if support for it is that easy on Windows, it may be a preferable option. I use it with eZ publish every day (using cadaver), and it's fantastically easy to use. Jonathan From cache at dowebs.com Mon Jul 4 07:20:07 2005 From: cache at dowebs.com (Keith) Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 00:20:07 -0600 Subject: [thelist] Secure FTP In-Reply-To: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E6914BCC3@kjserver1.kjhome.lo cal> References: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E6914BCC3@kjserver1.kjhome.local> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050704001611.039f9b50@mail.velocitus.net> >FWIW: > >This is actually WebDAV over HTTPS, not FTP. > >And it doesn't require FPSE on the server either - IIS 5 and 6 both support >WebDAV without requiring FPSE to be installed/enabled. True enough. I forgot he was on a Windows server and can set up WebDAV through IIS. I do this on an Apache and using FPSE is the easiest way I've found to setup the web folders on the Unix server. Keith cache@dowebs.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.8/37 - Release Date: 7/1/2005 From jono at charlestonwebsolutions.com Mon Jul 4 14:20:48 2005 From: jono at charlestonwebsolutions.com (Jono Young) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 09:20:48 -0400 Subject: [thelist] Remote Desktop Client on XP Home? Message-ID: <6C799A35-D39F-4C67-8F6B-F0AD89FCCB26@charlestonwebsolutions.com> I need a bit of help with a PC running XP Home. I bought a low-end Dell a few weeks ago for the sole purpose of testing websites in IE 5 + The Dell came with XP Home Edition installed. Recently, I discovered that I can install Remote Desktop on my Mac so that I can run and test IE 5+ (on the PC) right from my Mac's desktop. Cool! I don't even need to use the PC to test those browsers, or do I? Apparently only XP Professional can run Remote Desktop Services, so it looks like I cannot use Remote Desktop on my MAc to access PC browsers? Does anyone have a suggestion? Are there Shareware/Freeware applications for XP Home that do the same thing? I know very little about XP Home as an operating system, I am a long time Mac user, and pretty much bought a $200 version of Internet Explorer when I purchased this Dell. Virtual PC is an option, but I really, really, don't want to but that on my Mac. There must be another option, I just am unfamiliar with it at this point, right? Remote Desktop info for XP: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/mobility/getstarted/ remoteintro.mspx Remote Desktop Client for Mac: http://www.microsoft.com/mac/otherproducts/otherproducts.aspx? pid=remotedesktopclient Anybody else out there have a similar setup that works for them, or a good suggestion? Thanks. From hershelr at netvision.net.il Mon Jul 4 14:41:05 2005 From: hershelr at netvision.net.il (Hershel Robinson) Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 16:41:05 +0300 Subject: [thelist] Remote Desktop Client on XP Home? In-Reply-To: <6C799A35-D39F-4C67-8F6B-F0AD89FCCB26@charlestonwebsolutions.com> References: <6C799A35-D39F-4C67-8F6B-F0AD89FCCB26@charlestonwebsolutions.com> Message-ID: <42C93C71.80905@netvision.net.il> > Anybody else out there have a similar setup that works for them, or a > good suggestion? I use TightVNC on my LAN, but my machines are all Windows. There do appear to be VNC viewers for Macintosh available: http://www.google.com/search?q=vnc%20macintosh TightVNC is one version of VNC and I myself found it trivial to setup and use, yet it works well. Good luck, Hershel From hershelr at netvision.net.il Mon Jul 4 14:43:58 2005 From: hershelr at netvision.net.il (Hershel Robinson) Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 16:43:58 +0300 Subject: [thelist] Remote Desktop Client on XP Home? In-Reply-To: <6C799A35-D39F-4C67-8F6B-F0AD89FCCB26@charlestonwebsolutions.com> References: <6C799A35-D39F-4C67-8F6B-F0AD89FCCB26@charlestonwebsolutions.com> Message-ID: <42C93D1E.2010506@netvision.net.il> > Anybody else out there have a similar setup that works for them, or a > good suggestion? http://tightvnc.com/faq.html#macosx Sorry for the double post, but I now found that the TightVNC site itself provides two solutions for Mac OS X. Their site wasn't responding before. Hershel From evolt at weeb.biz Mon Jul 4 15:17:39 2005 From: evolt at weeb.biz (James Hardy) Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 15:17:39 +0100 Subject: [thelist] Remote Desktop Client on XP Home? In-Reply-To: <42C93D1E.2010506@netvision.net.il> References: <6C799A35-D39F-4C67-8F6B-F0AD89FCCB26@charlestonwebsolutions.com> <42C93D1E.2010506@netvision.net.il> Message-ID: <42C94503.3000600@weeb.biz> Hershel Robinson wrote: >> Anybody else out there have a similar setup that works for them, or >> a good suggestion? > > > http://tightvnc.com/faq.html#macosx > > Sorry for the double post, but I now found that the TightVNC site > itself provides two solutions for Mac OS X. Their site wasn't > responding before. > > Hershel I find tightVNC to be a bit overly techy for me (far too many options and settings). If you are just using it over your home network you might want to consider RealVNC http://www.realvnc.com/ which to be more user friendly. From cgeorge at basecorp.com Mon Jul 4 15:26:36 2005 From: cgeorge at basecorp.com (Chris George) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 08:26:36 -0600 Subject: [thelist] Secure FTP Message-ID: <6FC38116547DC24FAE1971330795194B212C78@basefs01.corp.basecorp.com> > >=20 > > Serv-U ( http://www.serv-u.com/ ) has 128-bit SSL support. And it's=20 > > very nice and easy to configure and administer, too. >=20 > I second this recommendation. For Windows-based FTP=20 > services, this is one of the best. Very easy to administer. I have heard good things about Serv-U. We use BlackMoon FTP for our clients, and I really like the admin interface as well... 'luck! Chris. From richard at livsey.org Mon Jul 4 16:47:37 2005 From: richard at livsey.org (Richard Livsey) Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 16:47:37 +0100 Subject: [thelist] 414 - URI Too Large Message-ID: <42C95A19.5030009@livsey.org> I have a client who is reportedly getting a 414 (URI Too Large) error when submitting a form on their site. This is confusing me as: a) It's a POST submission, so the URI stays the same. b) I (or anyone else for that matter) can't duplicate it in any browser. There's a fair bit of data being submitted, but nothing obscene. Aparently it happens every time they submit this form. Has anyone seen this kind of thing before, or know how to track down what's going on? The server is Apache 1.3.33 on Windows. Not sure what browser they are using, I'm getting more info at the moment, but it's probably IE6. Thanks in advance. -- R.Livsey http://livsey.org From mwarden at gmail.com Mon Jul 4 17:44:28 2005 From: mwarden at gmail.com (Matt Warden) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 12:44:28 -0400 Subject: [thelist] 414 - URI Too Large In-Reply-To: <42C95A19.5030009@livsey.org> References: <42C95A19.5030009@livsey.org> Message-ID: On 7/4/05, Richard Livsey wrote: > I have a client who is reportedly getting a 414 (URI Too Large) error > when submitting a form on their site. >=20 > This is confusing me as: >=20 > a) It's a POST submission, so the URI stays the same. > b) I (or anyone else for that matter) can't duplicate it in any browser. >=20 > There's a fair bit of data being submitted, but nothing obscene. > Aparently it happens every time they submit this form. >=20 > Has anyone seen this kind of thing before, or know how to track down > what's going on? Check the apache logs. What does it say when they request and receive this error? That will help narrow down whether it's the client misinterpreting an error code or something. Also, it will let you look at the URI it's using. Maybe it's sending it GET even though it's specified as POST? Did you validate the HTML? That might show an unmatched quote or something that could possibly explain thigns. Without more information about the client, it's difficult to say anything. But I'd start with the apache logs. Have them give you a date and time when they made a request (or tell them to make a request and note the date time). --=20 Matt Warden Miami University Oxford, OH, USA http://mattwarden.com This email proudly and graciously contributes to entropy. From jono at charlestonwebsolutions.com Mon Jul 4 18:39:44 2005 From: jono at charlestonwebsolutions.com (Jono Young) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 13:39:44 -0400 Subject: [thelist] Remote Desktop Client on XP Home? In-Reply-To: <42C94503.3000600@weeb.biz> References: <6C799A35-D39F-4C67-8F6B-F0AD89FCCB26@charlestonwebsolutions.com> <42C93D1E.2010506@netvision.net.il> <42C94503.3000600@weeb.biz> Message-ID: <881E5712-4186-4F41-BCCC-A24EE4D715BE@charlestonwebsolutions.com> On Jul 4, 2005, at 10:17 AM, James Hardy wrote: > Hershel Robinson wrote: > > >>> Anybody else out there have a similar setup that works for them, >>> or a good suggestion? >>> >> >> >> http://tightvnc.com/faq.html#macosx >> >> Sorry for the double post, but I now found that the TightVNC site >> itself provides two solutions for Mac OS X. Their site wasn't >> responding before. >> >> Hershel >> > > I find tightVNC to be a bit overly techy for me (far too many > options and settings). If you are just using it over your home > network you might want to consider RealVNC http://www.realvnc.com/ > which to be more user friendly. > -- I've never used VNC before, but after searching I found something called [1] Chicken of the VNC, for Mac. So Chicken of the VNC installs onto my Mac, and then I have to install TightVNC or RealVNC onto the PC? If I install TightVNC or RealVNC onto the PC will that allow me to access IE 5, 5.5, and 6 on the PC, from my Mac? The documentation for all of these apps is not too great from what I can see without installing the actual applications. [1] http://sourceforge.net/projects/cotvnc/ From hershelr at netvision.net.il Mon Jul 4 18:57:35 2005 From: hershelr at netvision.net.il (Hershel Robinson) Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 20:57:35 +0300 Subject: [thelist] Re: Remote Desktop Client on XP Home? In-Reply-To: <881E5712-4186-4F41-BCCC-A24EE4D715BE@charlestonwebsolutions.com> References: <6C799A35-D39F-4C67-8F6B-F0AD89FCCB26@charlestonwebsolutions.com> <42C93D1E.2010506@netvision.net.il> <42C94503.3000600@weeb.biz> <881E5712-4186-4F41-BCCC-A24EE4D715BE@charlestonwebsolutions.com> Message-ID: <42C9788F.4070305@netvision.net.il> > I've never used VNC before, but after searching I found something > called [1] Chicken of the VNC, for Mac. So Chicken of the VNC installs > onto my Mac, and then I have to install TightVNC or RealVNC onto the PC? Seems to be that way, yes. > If I install TightVNC or RealVNC onto the PC will that allow me to > access IE 5, 5.5, and 6 on the PC, from my Mac? The documentation for > all of these apps is not too great from what I can see without > installing the actual applications. Yes, I think if you install either VNC on your PC *and* then launch the server app on the PC you will be able to connect, yes. TightVNC has the option IIRC to install either server or client software--you will need only the server software. From my experience, the install for TightVNC is a no-brainer and launching the server app is also more or less a no-brainer. I say just go ahead and try it--you may find that you don't really need any documentation for the basic functionality. Hershel From lists at neptunewebworks.com Mon Jul 4 19:41:52 2005 From: lists at neptunewebworks.com (Maximillian Schwanekamp) Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 11:41:52 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Re: Remote Desktop Client on XP Home? In-Reply-To: <42C9788F.4070305@netvision.net.il> References: <6C799A35-D39F-4C67-8F6B-F0AD89FCCB26@charlestonwebsolutions.com> <42C93D1E.2010506@netvision.net.il> <42C94503.3000600@weeb.biz> <881E5712-4186-4F41-BCCC-A24EE4D715BE@charlestonwebsolutions.com> <42C9788F.4070305@netvision.net.il> Message-ID: <42C982F0.3010108@neptunewebworks.com> Hershel Robinson wrote: >> I've never used VNC before, but after searching I found something >> called [1] Chicken of the VNC, for Mac. So Chicken of the VNC >> installs onto my Mac, and then I have to install TightVNC or RealVNC >> onto the PC? > Seems to be that way, yes. Yep. VNC is a defacto standard (if not an official one, not sure). Windows actually has Remote Desktop built in, but I found TightVNC to be a simpler solution, easier to maintain, know it's running, etc. >> If I install TightVNC or RealVNC onto the PC will that allow me to >> access IE 5, 5.5, and 6 on the PC, from my Mac? The documentation >> for all of these apps is not too great from what I can see without >> installing the actual applications. Remote Desktop means you're running the remote computer as though you were sitting in front of it. It's just like PC Anywhere or Terminal Services. You can use any app installed on the machine this way - all browsers, office apps, etc. There's usually some network lag, depending on your network setup. Though I recently got a newer 54Mbps router and I hardly notice lag at all. It can work across the internet too of course, but it's much slower. > Yes, I think if you install either VNC on your PC *and* then launch the > server app on the PC you will be able to connect, yes. TightVNC has the > option IIRC to install either server or client software--you will need > only the server software. Yep. On XP (Home or Pro) when installing TightVNC you can opt to set it as a Windows Service, so that it starts immediately even before any users have logged in (so that when connecting by VNC, you'll need to login). > From my experience, the install for TightVNC is a no-brainer and > launching the server app is also more or less a no-brainer. I say just > go ahead and try it--you may find that you don't really need any > documentation for the basic functionality. Yup. It's a small app too. All this said, it sounds to me like VNC would be a suboptimal setup for you Jono - the Dell machine is in the same room as your Mac, right? Perhaps you should consider a KVM switch (Keyboard-Video-Mouse). You use one keyboard, monitor and mouse to control multiple machines. I picked up a used Mac G3 for browser testing too, and got a $20 KVM switch that works just fine. In my case, I switch from Win to Mac with the keyboard (Scroll Lock twice, then arrow key). The one I bought: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817107250 (use the breadcumb nav to shop the rest in the category) HTH... -- Max Schwanekamp http://www.neptunewebworks.com/ From gilles at balour.org Mon Jul 4 19:51:44 2005 From: gilles at balour.org (Gilles Beauregard) Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 14:51:44 -0400 Subject: [thelist] Clean Web Group Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.0.20050704145057.03b6f820@pop.1and1.com> Allo! Someone knowing this group! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CleanWebGroup/ Gilles B. --- Webmasters helping webmasters http://www.balour.org/ From jono at charlestonwebsolutions.com Mon Jul 4 21:25:28 2005 From: jono at charlestonwebsolutions.com (Jono Young) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 16:25:28 -0400 Subject: [thelist] Re: Remote Desktop Client on XP Home? In-Reply-To: <42C982F0.3010108@neptunewebworks.com> References: <6C799A35-D39F-4C67-8F6B-F0AD89FCCB26@charlestonwebsolutions.com> <42C93D1E.2010506@netvision.net.il> <42C94503.3000600@weeb.biz> <881E5712-4186-4F41-BCCC-A24EE4D715BE@charlestonwebsolutions.com> <42C9788F.4070305@netvision.net.il> <42C982F0.3010108@neptunewebworks.com> Message-ID: <27A777D7-4E86-4C8A-A114-8821E01FF29D@charlestonwebsolutions.com> On Jul 4, 2005, at 2:41 PM, Maximillian Schwanekamp wrote: > Yup. It's a small app too. > > All this said, it sounds to me like VNC would be a suboptimal setup > for > you Jono - the Dell machine is in the same room as your Mac, right? > Perhaps you should consider a KVM switch (Keyboard-Video-Mouse). You > use one keyboard, monitor and mouse to control multiple machines. I > picked up a used Mac G3 for browser testing too, and got a $20 KVM > switch that works just fine. In my case, I switch from Win to Mac > with > the keyboard (Scroll Lock twice, then arrow key). The one I bought: > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817107250 Yes, the Dell is right here. Perhaps the KVM switch would be a better option, given my lack of Windows and VPN experience. I prefer to use my Mac keyboard, would that interfere with the KVM switching at all? I'll take a stab at the VNC setup - due to its economical appeal - and if all else fails, I'll go KVM hunting. Thanks! From j at firebright.com Mon Jul 4 22:09:09 2005 From: j at firebright.com (Jonathan) Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 14:09:09 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Re: Remote Desktop Client on XP Home? In-Reply-To: <27A777D7-4E86-4C8A-A114-8821E01FF29D@charlestonwebsolutions.com> References: <6C799A35-D39F-4C67-8F6B-F0AD89FCCB26@charlestonwebsolutions.com> <42C93D1E.2010506@netvision.net.il> <42C94503.3000600@weeb.biz> <881E5712-4186-4F41-BCCC-A24EE4D715BE@charlestonwebsolutions.com> <42C9788F.4070305@netvision.net.il> <42C982F0.3010108@neptunewebworks.com> <27A777D7-4E86-4C8A-A114-8821E01FF29D@charlestonwebsolutions.com> Message-ID: <42C9A575.608@firebright.com> I use a very cool open source tool: http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/about.html Its free, easy, and works across linux, Mac and windows. Jonathan Jono Young wrote: > On Jul 4, 2005, at 2:41 PM, Maximillian Schwanekamp wrote: > >> Yup. It's a small app too. >> >> All this said, it sounds to me like VNC would be a suboptimal setup for >> you Jono - the Dell machine is in the same room as your Mac, right? >> Perhaps you should consider a KVM switch (Keyboard-Video-Mouse). You >> use one keyboard, monitor and mouse to control multiple machines. I >> picked up a used Mac G3 for browser testing too, and got a $20 KVM >> switch that works just fine. In my case, I switch from Win to Mac with >> the keyboard (Scroll Lock twice, then arrow key). The one I bought: >> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817107250 > > > Yes, the Dell is right here. Perhaps the KVM switch would be a > better option, given my lack of Windows and VPN experience. I prefer > to use my Mac keyboard, would that interfere with the KVM switching > at all? I'll take a stab at the VNC setup - due to its economical > appeal - and if all else fails, I'll go KVM hunting. > > Thanks! > From Ken at adOpenStatic.com Tue Jul 5 00:05:54 2005 From: Ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 09:05:54 +1000 Subject: [thelist] Remote Desktop Client on XP Home? Message-ID: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E6914BCC7@kjserver1.kjhome.local> Hi, Are you looking for a Remote Desktop client for Windows XP home? (per = your subject line)? Or are you looking to access your Windows XP Home machine from your Mac? If the latter, then "yes", it is possible (AFAIK). On the Windows XP = Home machine, send a "Remote Assistance" request (to yourself on the Mac). = Once you have the Remote Assistance request on your Mac, you (hopefully) = should be able to connect to the Windows XP Home machine. Cheers Ken -- www.adOpenStatic.com/cs/blogs/ken/=20 : -----Original Message----- : From: thelist-bounces@lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist- : bounces@lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Jono Young : Sent: Monday, 4 July 2005 11:21 PM : To: thelist lists.evolt.org : Subject: [thelist] Remote Desktop Client on XP Home? :=20 : I need a bit of help with a PC running XP Home. I bought a low-end : Dell a few weeks ago for the sole purpose of testing websites in IE 5 : + The Dell came with XP Home Edition installed. Recently, I : discovered that I can install Remote Desktop on my Mac so that I can : run and test IE 5+ (on the PC) right from my Mac's desktop. Cool! I : don't even need to use the PC to test those browsers, or do I? : Apparently only XP Professional can run Remote Desktop Services, so : it looks like I cannot use Remote Desktop on my MAc to access PC : browsers? :=20 : Does anyone have a suggestion? Are there Shareware/Freeware : applications for XP Home that do the same thing? I know very little : about XP Home as an operating system, I am a long time Mac user, and : pretty much bought a $200 version of Internet Explorer when I : purchased this Dell. Virtual PC is an option, but I really, really, : don't want to but that on my Mac. There must be another option, I : just am unfamiliar with it at this point, right? :=20 : Remote Desktop info for XP: : http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/mobility/getstarted/ : remoteintro.mspx :=20 : Remote Desktop Client for Mac: : http://www.microsoft.com/mac/otherproducts/otherproducts.aspx? : pid=3Dremotedesktopclient :=20 : Anybody else out there have a similar setup that works for them, or a : good suggestion? From Chris at globet.com Tue Jul 5 12:14:15 2005 From: Chris at globet.com (Chris@globet.com) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 12:14:15 +0100 Subject: [thelist] SQL Server, Updates and Locking Hints Message-ID: All I have a web page that I believe is having problems when another application updates data in the database. To try and fix the problem, I have taken the following approach. If I run the following in one SQL Server Query Analyser (QA) window, I will be locking Table1 until I commit or rollback the transaction: BEGIN TRAN UPDATE TABLE1 SET FIELD1 =3D '1' WHERE FIELD2 =3D '0' In another QA window, I run the following SQL: UPDATE TABLE1 SET FIELD1 =3D '2' WHERE FIELD2 =3D '3' As I would expect, this process is blocked until I either commit or rollback the first transaction. Is there any way that I can get around this lock? I have been looking at the MSDN documentation on locking hints, but although ROWLOCK seems to be documented as allowing what I want, in practice I cannot see the results that I am aiming for. Any comment would be gratefully received. Regards Chris Marsh From evolt at funkwit.com Tue Jul 5 13:21:46 2005 From: evolt at funkwit.com (Paul Cowan) Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 22:21:46 +1000 Subject: [thelist] SQL Server, Updates and Locking Hints In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 5/07/2005 12:14 PM +0100 Chris@globet.com wrote: > Is there any way that I can get around this lock? Three things: 1) Are you using WITH (ROWLOCK) on BOTH queries? If one's only taking a row lock, but one's taking a page or table lock, you'll still get blocking. 2) WITH (ROWLOCK) will only work if SQL Server can find the row in question without doing a table scan -- which means the table needs to be indexed appropriately. In your example: UPDATE TABLE1 SET FIELD1 = '1' WHERE FIELD2 = '0' if there's no index on FIELD2, then the only way that SQL will be able to FIND the row to update it is if it does a table scan -- inspecting every row in the table to see if it meets the predicate. As soon as you do that, you lose the ability to lock only the rows being updated, as it has to look at them all anyway. SQL Server will happily ignore ROWLOCK hints (or, indeed, any other kind) if it thinks you don't know what you're doing. I'm guessing this is the problem in your case (that you don't have indexes, not that you don't know what you're doing!) 3) ROWLOCK is one way to reduce locking, but remember the #1 golden rule of reducing contention: get locks late, release them early. Make sure updates are as fast as they can be (that's where indexes etc. can come into play) and always BEGIN TRAN at the last minute, COMMIT as soon as you can. Seems obvious, but following this rule is one way to help reduce contention in the database. If you want a great rundown of locking and other performance-type issues, I can't recommend the "Inside SQL Server" books from Microsoft Press -- previously by Soukup and Delaney, now just by Soukup (or Delaney, I forget which; whichever one killed the other one and buried them in the back garden, anyway[1]). Hope this helps, Paul [1] Oops, forgot the tags. From emily.tarrant at dsl.pipex.com Tue Jul 5 13:57:04 2005 From: emily.tarrant at dsl.pipex.com (emily tarrant) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 13:57:04 +0100 Subject: [thelist] Zen Cart advice Message-ID: <1120568224.42ca83a07b647@netmail.pipex.net> Hey everyone I installed Zen Cart over the weekend and am keen to get to grips with it. I'm taking my first tentative steps into the world of ecommerce. Can anyone recommend a beginners tutorial that I could work through? Cheers Emily -- From info at internetvraagbaak.nl Tue Jul 5 14:01:56 2005 From: info at internetvraagbaak.nl (Info@internetvraagbaak.nl) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 15:01:56 +0200 Subject: [thelist] survey script References: Message-ID: <008401c58161$b919be10$c976040a@cartesiapvek83> Hi Is was wondering if somenone uses a script that does something like this: i create a small survey with some questions and visitors can answer by choosing one, two or .. option. ( radio or checkbox ) Different answers represent different scores.. and in the end, after submitting you'll get a page where it gives some text as result of all answers ( adding the values of all values) is > 100: you are a typical 100 guy. < 100 : you love to be less then 100 Allready found a lot off survey scripts ( i prefer PHP ) but well none yet with this kind of approach. Thanks! Jeroen From Chris at globet.com Tue Jul 5 14:20:39 2005 From: Chris at globet.com (Chris@globet.com) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 14:20:39 +0100 Subject: [thelist] SQL Server, Updates and Locking Hints Message-ID: Paul > Three things: >=20 > 1) Are you using WITH (ROWLOCK) on BOTH queries? If one's=20 Yes. > 2) WITH (ROWLOCK) will only work if SQL Server can find the=20 > row in question without doing a table scan -- which means the=20 [..] > if there's no index on FIELD2, then the only way that SQL=20 > will be able to FIND the row to update it is if it does a=20 > table scan -- inspecting every row in the table to see if it=20 > meets the predicate. As soon as you do that, you lose the=20 > ability to lock only the rows being updated, as it has to=20 > look at them all anyway. SQL Server will happily ignore=20 > ROWLOCK hints (or, indeed, any other kind) if it thinks you=20 > don't know what you're doing. I'm guessing this is the=20 > problem in your case (that you don't have indexes, not that=20 > you don't know what you're doing!) This makes total sense, as the fields are NOT indexed appropriately for these queries. [..] > Hope this helps, Immensely, thanks very much Paul. Regards Chris Marsh From Ken at adOpenStatic.com Tue Jul 5 14:44:15 2005 From: Ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 23:44:15 +1000 Subject: [thelist] SQL Server, Updates and Locking Hints Message-ID: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E6914BCCF@kjserver1.kjhome.local> I second the recommendation on the "Inside SQL Server 2000" book by = Kalen Delaney. It's a bit dated, but one of the best books in SQL Server = internals you can currently get - well worth the cost. Cheers Ken -- www.adOpenStatic.com/cs/blogs/ken/=20 : -----Original Message----- : From: thelist-bounces@lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist- : bounces@lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Chris@globet.com : Sent: Tuesday, 5 July 2005 11:21 PM : To: thelist@lists.evolt.org : Subject: RE: [thelist] SQL Server, Updates and Locking Hints :=20 : Paul :=20 : > Three things: : > : > 1) Are you using WITH (ROWLOCK) on BOTH queries? If one's :=20 : Yes. :=20 : > 2) WITH (ROWLOCK) will only work if SQL Server can find the : > row in question without doing a table scan -- which means the :=20 : [..] :=20 : > if there's no index on FIELD2, then the only way that SQL : > will be able to FIND the row to update it is if it does a : > table scan -- inspecting every row in the table to see if it : > meets the predicate. As soon as you do that, you lose the : > ability to lock only the rows being updated, as it has to : > look at them all anyway. SQL Server will happily ignore : > ROWLOCK hints (or, indeed, any other kind) if it thinks you : > don't know what you're doing. I'm guessing this is the : > problem in your case (that you don't have indexes, not that : > you don't know what you're doing!) :=20 : This makes total sense, as the fields are NOT indexed appropriately = for : these queries. :=20 : [..] :=20 : > Hope this helps, :=20 : Immensely, thanks very much Paul. From hershelr at netvision.net.il Tue Jul 5 14:46:43 2005 From: hershelr at netvision.net.il (Hershel Robinson) Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 16:46:43 +0300 Subject: [thelist] x-cart vs zen-cart Message-ID: <42CA8F43.5080403@netvision.net.il> Based on advice from this list I chose x-cart for an e-store I recently built. The back-end seems to be very professional with all the (and even more) features than the average small e-store would ever need. The front-end (produced HTML) however is, in a word, horrific. It's 1999-era HTML coding IMHO. Customizing the front end, however, I found to be actually fairly easy. Once I figured out how things work and found the correct files, customizing certain parts was a snap (knowing PHP helps of course). I am looking at building another store now and I thought to ask again about zen-cart and people's experiences with it. I understand the down-side to zen-cart is the lack of support (open-source, where you pay with your sanity) whereas the upside is the front-end code. I also imagine that the back-end code is not as mature as x-cart, which also is a negative. With my (very) limited knowledge of these two options, I would say x-cart is probably overall a better choice, because when push comes to shove, if it doesn't work, it's not worth anything. x-cart works and if not, they have support, whereas zen-cart apparently may or may not work. Anyone have anything more intelligent to share in comparing zen-cart vs x-cart? Thanks, Hershel From jono at charlestonwebsolutions.com Tue Jul 5 15:02:48 2005 From: jono at charlestonwebsolutions.com (Jono Young) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 10:02:48 -0400 Subject: [thelist] Remote Desktop Client on XP Home? In-Reply-To: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E6914BCC7@kjserver1.kjhome.local> References: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E6914BCC7@kjserver1.kjhome.local> Message-ID: <466988CC-787B-4995-955B-650114F118BB@charlestonwebsolutions.com> Yes, I am trying to access the browsers on my PC (IE5, 5.5 6, etc.) from my Mac. My PC is running XP Home, and my Mac is running 10.4.1. I have basic knowledge of Windows XP Professional/Home - I have never owned a PC until now - so it's difficult to get things done. 'Remote Assistance' would not work, see below from the invitation I sent to myself on my Mac: Providing help using Remote Assistance Sometimes the best way to help someone fix a problem is to demonstrate a solution. Remote Assistance is a convenient way for someone to connect to a friend's computer (you both must be running Microsoft Windows XP) in order to walk through a solution together. I am gathering options, but still have not settled on the best one yet; here's what I have so far: 1. RealVNC or TightVNC on the PC, Chicken of the VNC on the Mac 2. KVM switch 3. Synergy I have never used a Remote Desktop Client on Mac or PC, but my initial understanding was that it was the best way to accomplish my goal of testing PC browsers from my Mac. Being able to test the PC browsers on my Mac is more important (at this point) than how I accomplish the feat. I'm just looking to have everything at my fingertips, all from my Mac. Thanks for the tips and help this far, Jono On Jul 4, 2005, at 7:05 PM, Ken Schaefer wrote: > Are you looking for a Remote Desktop client for Windows XP home? > (per your > subject line)? > > Or are you looking to access your Windows XP Home machine from your > Mac? > > If the latter, then "yes", it is possible (AFAIK). On the Windows > XP Home > machine, send a "Remote Assistance" request (to yourself on the > Mac). Once > you have the Remote Assistance request on your Mac, you (hopefully) > should be > able to connect to the Windows XP Home machine. From chris at lwcdial.net Tue Jul 5 15:04:20 2005 From: chris at lwcdial.net (Chris Hayes) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 15:04:20 +0100 Subject: [thelist] SQL Server, Updates and Locking Hints References: Message-ID: <018c01c5816a$a2faf780$3800a8c0@herb.londonweb.net> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Cowan" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 1:21 PM Subject: Re: [thelist] SQL Server, Updates and Locking Hints > If you want a great rundown of locking and other performance-type issues, I > can't recommend the "Inside SQL Server" books from Microsoft Press -- > previously by Soukup and Delaney, now just by Soukup (or Delaney, I forget > which; whichever one killed the other one and buried them in the back > garden, anyway[1]). I'm guessing here, but rather than not recommend a book I think you typo'd this, I spent a while scanning the end of the sentence for the word "enough". Or maybe your tag should have the attribute scope="paragraph" just in case your context implicates you? ;) From John.Brooking at sappi.com Tue Jul 5 15:11:48 2005 From: John.Brooking at sappi.com (Brooking, John) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 10:11:48 -0400 Subject: [thelist] Re: Email address hiding question Message-ID: <7DFF91610114AB4C8C0B068CFC34734F01B960AD@CDFNEXC3.NA.Sappi.com> David Bailey said: > Because of SPAM problems and my research of the possible=20 > solutions I have come to the conclusion that I will try and=20 > persuade clients to use a form and use a dropdown list=20 > containing each email address if that's required. I have come to a similar conclusion. I also concluded that the dropdown list on the client should only contain keys to email addresses, so that the actual addresses are never exposed to the client. I wrote a Perl script to implement this, if you are interested. (I'm planning on re-doing my site this week, so I don't want to give the address out right now since it might be broken for a while, but email me if interested.) - John --=20 From John.Brooking at sappi.com Tue Jul 5 15:35:19 2005 From: John.Brooking at sappi.com (Brooking, John) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 10:35:19 -0400 Subject: [thelist] Dealing with "feel good" comment spam Message-ID: <7DFF91610114AB4C8C0B068CFC34734F01B9615E@CDFNEXC3.NA.Sappi.com> Mark Groen wrote: > Six Apart has a good article on Comment Spam; what it is=20 > and how to combat it: > > http://www.sixapart.com/pronet/comment_spam Good article, thanks for the link. Do people think the following technique would be useful also? Every time your server issues the comment submission form, include a hidden field with a randomly generated value. This value would be recorded on the server, and would represent a limited-time "pass" to make one posting. Once a posting is made, the pass is no longer valid, and it would also expire within a certain time period if unused. For extra security, make the field NAME random as well as the value. As I was typing that, I thought of the spammer work-around: Just write a script to repeatedly request the comment submission form, so as to get the value to incorporate in the comment submission. The only way I see to mitigate this is some form of throttling, which is already one of the solutions suggested in that article. However, perhaps the technique is useful in at least making the spammer work harder. Plus, making each submission require a prior form request would limit by half the number of attacks possible in the same time period. OTOH, it would also tie up your server with fulfilling those form requests, as well as recording all the token values it is handing out. So maybe that's too much of a downside? - John --=20 From rob.smith at THERMON.com Tue Jul 5 15:39:56 2005 From: rob.smith at THERMON.com (Rob Smith) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 09:39:56 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Zen Cart advice Message-ID: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC92703E7D504@smtmb.tmc.local> Can anyone recommend a beginners tutorial that I could work through? Edit > View Source... :-\ It's how I learned 14 years ago. Seriously though: http://www.nexcess.net/hosting/support/tutorials/zencart/1.2.0d/ http://www.zen-cart.com/modules/xoopsfaq/ Rob From emily.tarrant at dsl.pipex.com Tue Jul 5 16:21:53 2005 From: emily.tarrant at dsl.pipex.com (emily tarrant) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 16:21:53 +0100 Subject: [thelist] Zen Cart advice In-Reply-To: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC92703E7D504@smtmb.tmc.local> References: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC92703E7D504@smtmb.tmc.local> Message-ID: <1120576913.42caa591df4d4@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting Rob Smith : > > Can anyone recommend a beginners tutorial that I could work through? > > > Edit > View Source... :-\ It's how I learned 14 years ago. > > Seriously though: > http://www.nexcess.net/hosting/support/tutorials/zencart/1.2.0d/ > http://www.zen-cart.com/modules/xoopsfaq/ > > Rob > -- Hi Rob, thanks for that. I've managed to install it ok, so it looks like I'm going to have to work my way through the FAQs. Think I've spotted which one to start with, but I'm finding the wealth of information a bit daunting. Will stick at it though. Thanks again, Emily From rob.smith at THERMON.com Tue Jul 5 17:22:54 2005 From: rob.smith at THERMON.com (Rob Smith) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 11:22:54 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Zen Cart advice Message-ID: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC92703E7D508@smtmb.tmc.local> Think I've spotted which one to start with, but I'm finding the wealth of information a bit daunting. Will stick at it though. That's what you kinda have to do when learning something new. I'd recommend taking excitement with it. It makes all the learning more fun and the massive amounts seem less daunting. Take a break every once in a while so you can properly absorb it. From evolt at funkwit.com Tue Jul 5 21:33:07 2005 From: evolt at funkwit.com (Paul Cowan) Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 06:33:07 +1000 Subject: [thelist] SQL Server, Updates and Locking Hints In-Reply-To: <018c01c5816a$a2faf780$3800a8c0@herb.londonweb.net> References: <018c01c5816a$a2faf780$3800a8c0@herb.londonweb.net> Message-ID: On 5/07/2005 3:04 PM +0100 Chris Hayes wrote: > I'm guessing here, but rather than not recommend a book I think you typo'd > this, I spent a while scanning the end of the sentence for the word > "enough". Errr... yes. I can't recommend it ENOUGH. Thanks Chris. If you often have to update multiple tables in one transaction, come up with a consistent order in which to do it -- "always update the Authors table first, THEN the Books table, THEN ... " etc. If you stick with a consistent order, you'll greatly reduce the chance that any contention problems will lead to deadlocks. From fffrancis at fstorr.demon.co.uk Tue Jul 5 23:10:56 2005 From: fffrancis at fstorr.demon.co.uk (fstorr) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 23:10:56 +0100 Subject: [thelist] Zen Cart advice In-Reply-To: <1120568224.42ca83a07b647@netmail.pipex.net> References: <1120568224.42ca83a07b647@netmail.pipex.net> Message-ID: <23CBA5E5-78BA-408B-98D3-0EC6CF77C55A@fstorr.demon.co.uk> On 5 Jul, 2005, at 13:57, emily tarrant wrote: > Hey everyone > > I installed Zen Cart over the weekend and am keen to get to grips > with it. I'm > taking my first tentative steps into the world of ecommerce. Can > anyone > recommend a beginners tutorial that I could work through? Hi Emily The online help stuff is reasonable, but you really need to get your help around the templating system before you do much else. It's that that allows you to customise Zen Cart correctly without damaging/ altering the basic workings of the system. Also, I've found that without the Web Developer's Toolbar for Firefox, working out what CSS rule is applied to what is a nighrmare. Install that and it'll really help. But, as I said, the first thing to do is to get your around the templating systm. Good luck. Regards F From technique at oceanicsky.com Tue Jul 5 23:52:45 2005 From: technique at oceanicsky.com (David Siedband) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 15:52:45 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Remote Desktop Client on XP Home? In-Reply-To: <466988CC-787B-4995-955B-650114F118BB@charlestonwebsolutions.com> References: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E6914BCC7@kjserver1.kjhome.local> <466988CC-787B-4995-955B-650114F118BB@charlestonwebsolutions.com> Message-ID: <0c56cef0703a5831d5d65722572d99c5@oceanicsky.com> I would recommend RealVNC on the windows machine. I've set this up for a few people in my family who I help with things remotely. On the mac, you may also want to have a look at VNCthing. I've been using that client for a while and have been pleased with it. I assume you want to do this to test how your layouts present in the windows browsers. I did this for a while, but eventually went back to using the windows machine directly because I didn't like the lag of VNC on the local network... -- David On Jul 5, 2005, at 7:02 AM, Jono Young wrote: > > Yes, I am trying to access the browsers on my PC (IE5, 5.5 6, etc.) > from my Mac. My PC is running XP Home, and my Mac is running 10.4.1. > I have basic knowledge of Windows XP Professional/Home - I have never > owned a PC until now - so it's difficult to get things done. > > [ ... ] > > 1. RealVNC or TightVNC on the PC, Chicken of the VNC on the Mac > 2. KVM switch > 3. Synergy > > I have never used a Remote Desktop Client on Mac or PC, but my initial > understanding was that it was the best way to accomplish my goal of > testing PC browsers from my Mac. Being able to test the PC browsers > on my Mac is more important (at this point) than how I accomplish the > feat. I'm just looking to have everything at my fingertips, all from > my Mac. > > Thanks for the tips and help this far, > Jono > From dab.hand at xtra.co.nz Wed Jul 6 01:14:44 2005 From: dab.hand at xtra.co.nz (David Bailey) Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 12:14:44 +1200 Subject: [thelist] Remote Desktop Client on XP Home? In-Reply-To: <0c56cef0703a5831d5d65722572d99c5@oceanicsky.com> Message-ID: On 6/7/05 10:52 AM, "David Siedband" wrote: On the mac, > you may also want to have a look at VNCthing. I've been using that > client for a while and have been pleased with it. How do you get hold of VNCThing? It works for Mac OS9 (which one of my machines still runs on). Google and other sites link to MacUpdate, but it seems to have been deleted as obsolete, or I am not looking in the right place. I also tried downloading it from http://powerofvoice.nl/macpaul/download/VNCThing2.2/ But when clicking on the download it always ends up with a page of gobbledygook. I can't find a means of contact on that site. Any suggestions? David From joshua at waetech.com Wed Jul 6 02:33:49 2005 From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 21:33:49 -0400 Subject: [thelist] Dynamic Drive on Webserver Message-ID: I have a Windows 2000 webserver. In it we had defined 2 hard disks. One basic for the OS, and one dynamic. Starting today, the dynamic drive is acting funny. It's not showing up with a drive letter. In the Disk Manager I'm seeing the drive twice, once as "Failed Missing" and once as "Unallocated Basic". My thought is that Windows is detecting the drive but isn't equating the drive to the Dynamic Drive information that was already configured. Any thoughts on how to return this webserver's second drive to operation? <><><><><><><><><><> Joshua L. Olson WAE Tech Inc. http://www.waetech.com/ Phone: 706.210.0168 Fax: 413.812.4864 Monitor bandwidth usage on IIS6 in real-time: http://www.waetech.com/services/iisbm/ From lists at semioticpixels.com Wed Jul 6 04:42:06 2005 From: lists at semioticpixels.com (chris) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 20:42:06 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Dynamic Drive on Webserver Message-ID: <000201c581dc$b85c6ba0$6601a8c0@bluedew> Hey Joshua, First thought is to reactivate the disk 1.In Disk Management, right-click the dynamic disk you want to reactivate, and then select Reactivate Disk. Confirm the action when prompted. 2.If the drive status doesn't change, you might need to reboot the computer. If this still doesn't resolve the problem, check for problems with the drive, its controller, and the cables. You could also try rescanning the disk (select Rescan Disk from Disk Management's Action menu) although there are reportedly some caveats that I've never experienced. Apparently sometimes drive letters will be reassigned without any prompt or warning which can include reassignment of the boot drive and sometimes at reboot, it might incorrectly report Ntoskrnl.exe is missing... I'd google it before doing it. Ref: w2k3 pocket consultant If you need to recover data, you might want to use a Knoppix disk to grab the data off that disk and then test the disk. Hth -chris From marinabearman at yahoo.com Tue Jul 5 18:04:09 2005 From: marinabearman at yahoo.com (Marina Bearman) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 10:04:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [thelist] Zen Cart advice In-Reply-To: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC92703E7D508@smtmb.tmc.local> Message-ID: <20050705170409.9714.qmail@web33602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Rob Smith wrote: Think I've spotted which one to start with, but I'm finding the wealth of information a bit daunting. Will stick at it though. That's what you kinda have to do when learning something new. I'd recommend taking excitement with it. It makes all the learning more fun and the massive amounts seem less daunting. Take a break every once in a while so you can properly absorb it. -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! --------------------------------- Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy FootballFrom morrison.ben at gmail.com Wed Jul 6 10:04:22 2005 From: morrison.ben at gmail.com (ben morrison) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 10:04:22 +0100 Subject: [thelist] Remote Desktop Client on XP Home? In-Reply-To: References: <0c56cef0703a5831d5d65722572d99c5@oceanicsky.com> Message-ID: <6073aef905070602044dcd8524@mail.gmail.com> > But when clicking on the download it always ends up with a page of > gobbledygook. I can't find a means of contact on that site. >=20 > Any suggestions? >=20 > David versiontracker is always really usefull for finding apps (although there is no VNCThing listed) http://tinyurl.com/4qj9w ben From andrew at milords.com Wed Jul 6 10:32:13 2005 From: andrew at milords.com (A Maynes) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 10:32:13 +0100 Subject: [thelist] SQL Server, Updates and Locking Hints In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000201c5820d$983b8370$4c64a8c0@WEBALIZER> I am looking for a MSSQL & MySQL guru in the UK anyone interested? Andrew > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Cowan [mailto:evolt@funkwit.com] > Sent: 05 July 2005 21:33 > To: thelist@lists.evolt.org > Subject: Re: [thelist] SQL Server, Updates and Locking Hints > > > > > On 5/07/2005 3:04 PM +0100 Chris Hayes wrote: > > I'm guessing here, but rather than not recommend a book I think you > > typo'd this, I spent a while scanning the end of the > sentence for the > > word "enough". > > Errr... yes. I can't recommend it ENOUGH. > > Thanks Chris. > > > If you often have to update multiple tables in one > transaction, come up > with a consistent order in which to do it -- "always update > the Authors > table first, THEN the Books table, THEN ... " etc. If you > stick with a > consistent order, you'll greatly reduce the chance that any > contention > problems will lead to deadlocks. > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From wes at pmason.karoo.co.uk Wed Jul 6 14:14:18 2005 From: wes at pmason.karoo.co.uk (Wesley Aaron Mason) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 14:14:18 +0100 Subject: [thelist] Remote Desktop Client on XP Home? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <71cebc00035c45c7bc2c503a0a09270e@pmason.karoo.co.uk> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The page of gobbledegook is Safari trying to render the binary disk image (.img) file as text as the server is returning the wrong mime type, right click on the link for the file and use saves as (or Save Linked File to "etcetc" in the latest Safari, mileage may vary for other versions or other browsers), _or_ open the file as a page of gobbledegook and then use File -> Save As to save it as a .img file (don't worry about it saving it as the text shown, any browser worth it's salt should use the binary data cached either in memory or on the disk and not the rendered output). - -- Wesley Aaron Mason Weblog from nowhere: http://1stvamp.org/ Webcomic from somewhere: http://gfbowl.com/ Public PGP/GPG Key: http://1stvamp.org/stuff/pgp On Jul 6, 2005, at 1:14 am, David Bailey wrote: > On 6/7/05 10:52 AM, "David Siedband" wrote: > > On the mac, >> you may also want to have a look at VNCthing. I've been using that >> client for a while and have been pleased with it. > > How do you get hold of VNCThing? It works for Mac OS9 (which one of my > machines still runs on). Google and other sites link to MacUpdate, but > it > seems to have been deleted as obsolete, or I am not looking in the > right > place. I also tried downloading it from > http://powerofvoice.nl/macpaul/download/VNCThing2.2/ > > But when clicking on the download it always ends up with a page of > gobbledygook. I can't find a means of contact on that site. > > Any suggestions? > > David -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFCy9kx1xRuGo4iYPMRArSBAJ42DWjAw3+bm5lOaEAaDE4Vii2iowCgtOe+ 0Fc1I/gIeu1wWxKNwhqZgmg= =QwsR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From emily.tarrant at dsl.pipex.com Wed Jul 6 15:36:46 2005 From: emily.tarrant at dsl.pipex.com (emily tarrant) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 15:36:46 +0100 Subject: [thelist] Zen Cart advice In-Reply-To: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC92703E7D508@smtmb.tmc.local> References: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC92703E7D508@smtmb.tmc.local> Message-ID: <1120660606.42cbec7e9f272@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting Rob Smith : > That's what you kinda have to do when learning something new. I'd recommend > taking excitement with it. It makes all the learning more fun and the > massive amounts seem less daunting. Take a break every once in a while so > you can properly absorb it. > -- > Ah, now excitement is something that I definitely have. I'm looking forward to the feeling of satisfaction once I've figured it all out. Thanks for the encouragement! Emily From emily.tarrant at dsl.pipex.com Wed Jul 6 15:39:18 2005 From: emily.tarrant at dsl.pipex.com (emily tarrant) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 15:39:18 +0100 Subject: [thelist] Zen Cart advice In-Reply-To: <23CBA5E5-78BA-408B-98D3-0EC6CF77C55A@fstorr.demon.co.uk> References: <1120568224.42ca83a07b647@netmail.pipex.net> <23CBA5E5-78BA-408B-98D3-0EC6CF77C55A@fstorr.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <1120660758.42cbed16306a7@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting fstorr : > Hi Emily > > The online help stuff is reasonable, but you really need to get your > help around the templating system before you do much else. It's that > that allows you to customise Zen Cart correctly without damaging/ > altering the basic workings of the system. Also, I've found that > without the Web Developer's Toolbar for Firefox, working out what CSS > rule is applied to what is a nighrmare. Install that and it'll > really help. But, as I said, the first thing to do is to get your > around the templating systm. > > Good luck. > > Regards > > F > Cheers for the pointer. I certainly wouldn't want to damage anything! I've got the Toolbar already (what would I do without it?). Right, templating it is then. Emily From rob.smith at THERMON.com Wed Jul 6 15:45:23 2005 From: rob.smith at THERMON.com (Rob Smith) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 09:45:23 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Extracting Audio from an EXE Message-ID: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC92703E7D51B@smtmb.tmc.local> Hey, My company has this old cd/movie in a .exe format. Is there a way to at least get the audio tracks out of that? The company who did the recording about 4-6 years ago no longer exists. One way is to have a professional speaker come and we rerecord the audio. The only other way I can think of is to let it play with a microphone up to the computer speaker and I think that we know the answer to that one. Any thoughts about this as I head over to IT looking for a microphone, Rob Smith From emily.tarrant at dsl.pipex.com Wed Jul 6 15:45:41 2005 From: emily.tarrant at dsl.pipex.com (emily tarrant) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 15:45:41 +0100 Subject: [thelist] x-cart vs zen-cart In-Reply-To: <42CA8F43.5080403@netvision.net.il> References: <42CA8F43.5080403@netvision.net.il> Message-ID: <1120661141.42cbee951425e@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting Hershel Robinson : > > Anyone have anything more intelligent to share in comparing zen-cart vs > x-cart? > > Thanks, > Hershel > -- I'd be interested in people's views on this as well, as I'm currently looking at Zen Cart myself. I do like the idea of open source, though I get Hershel's point about the support (or lack of). I'm also very keen on using something that applies standards. I'm hoping Zen Cart turns out to be reasonably standards compliant, but I'm not far enough along to tell yet... Emily -- From jay.blanchard at niicommunications.com Wed Jul 6 15:55:47 2005 From: jay.blanchard at niicommunications.com (Jay Blanchard) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 09:55:47 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Extracting Audio from an EXE Message-ID: [snip] My company has this old cd/movie in a .exe format. Is there a way to at least get the audio tracks out of that? The company who did the recording about 4-6 years ago no longer exists. One way is to have a professional speaker come and we rerecord the audio. The only other way I can think of is to let it play with a microphone up to the computer speaker and I think that we know the answer to that one. [/snip] Go 'line out' from your computer to 'line in' on another and record the audio as a .wav=20 All you need is a cord with 1/8" stereo jacks on each end, Windows has a recorder. From joshua at waetech.com Wed Jul 6 15:58:46 2005 From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 10:58:46 -0400 Subject: [thelist] Extracting Audio from an EXE In-Reply-To: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC92703E7D51B@smtmb.tmc.local> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Rob Smith > Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 10:45 AM > > Hey, > > My company has this old cd/movie in a .exe format. Is there a > way to at > least get the audio tracks out of that? > Any thoughts about this as I head over to IT looking for a microphone, Rob, Before you look for a microphone, see if you can find a program that can record straight from the audio card: http://www.mp3-recorder.net/ <><><><><><><><><><> Joshua L. Olson WAE Tech Inc. http://www.waetech.com/ Phone: 706.210.0168 Fax: 413.812.4864 Monitor bandwidth usage on IIS6 in real-time: http://www.waetech.com/services/iisbm/ From fffrancis at fstorr.demon.co.uk Wed Jul 6 15:56:56 2005 From: fffrancis at fstorr.demon.co.uk (fstorr) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 15:56:56 +0100 Subject: [thelist] x-cart vs zen-cart In-Reply-To: <1120661141.42cbee951425e@netmail.pipex.net> References: <42CA8F43.5080403@netvision.net.il> <1120661141.42cbee951425e@netmail.pipex.net> Message-ID: <35073628-0D88-40DC-AAEE-67F2F1B46D5B@fstorr.demon.co.uk> On 6 Jul, 2005, at 15:45, emily tarrant wrote: > I'm hoping Zen Cart turns out to be reasonably standards > compliant, but I'm not far enough along to tell yet... > > Emily > Zen cart is tables, tables, tables. There's a CSS template set available but clearly marked with an "experimental, do not use on a production site" notice. If you want to hack it to be standards compliant, you're in for a big, big job. I started doing it and then gave up. Regards F From codepo8 at gmail.com Wed Jul 6 16:09:58 2005 From: codepo8 at gmail.com (Christian Heilmann) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 16:09:58 +0100 Subject: [thelist] Extracting Audio from an EXE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <30bd6ffd0507060809536dd2c7@mail.gmail.com> > [snip] > My company has this old cd/movie in a .exe format. Is there a way to at > least get the audio tracks out of that? The company who did the > recording > about 4-6 years ago no longer exists. One way is to have a professional > speaker come and we rerecord the audio. The only other way I can think > of is > to let it play with a microphone up to the computer speaker and I think > that > we know the answer to that one. > [/snip] >=20 > Go 'line out' from your computer to 'line in' on another and record the > audio as a .wav > All you need is a cord with 1/8" stereo jacks on each end, Windows has a > recorder. Another option would be a recording tool like total recorder, or checking if the application does put the wav files in the temp folder while running. It is amazing what you can find in Temp folders. --=20 Chris Heilmann=20 Blog: http://www.wait-till-i.com Writing: http://icant.co.uk/ =20 Binaries: http://www.onlinetools.org/ From nan at heritageconcord.org Wed Jul 6 16:13:48 2005 From: nan at heritageconcord.org (Nan Harbison) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 11:13:48 -0400 Subject: [thelist] Extracting Audio from an EXE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The cheap and dirty way to do this - I use the program called Total Recorder from HighCriteria.com, I play the exe file on my computer, and hit the record button on TotalRecorder. You do have to play the whole file and I am not THAT concerned about the quality of the sound, I think the sound quality of this program is fine. Nan -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces@lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces@lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Jay Blanchard Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 10:56 AM To: thelist@lists.evolt.org Subject: RE: [thelist] Extracting Audio from an EXE [snip] My company has this old cd/movie in a .exe format. Is there a way to at least get the audio tracks out of that? The company who did the recording about 4-6 years ago no longer exists. One way is to have a professional speaker come and we rerecord the audio. The only other way I can think of is to let it play with a microphone up to the computer speaker and I think that we know the answer to that one. [/snip] Go 'line out' from your computer to 'line in' on another and record the audio as a .wav All you need is a cord with 1/8" stereo jacks on each end, Windows has a recorder. -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From mdjohnson at bcbe.org Wed Jul 6 16:14:27 2005 From: mdjohnson at bcbe.org (Mike D. Johnson) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 10:14:27 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Extracting Audio from an EXE Message-ID: I think this program will allow you to capture all audio being played through your sound card: http://www.highcriteria.com/=20 -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces@lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces@lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Jay Blanchard Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 9:56 AM To: thelist@lists.evolt.org Subject: RE: [thelist] Extracting Audio from an EXE [snip] My company has this old cd/movie in a .exe format. Is there a way to at least get the audio tracks out of that? The company who did the recording about 4-6 years ago no longer exists. One way is to have a professional speaker come and we rerecord the audio. The only other way I can think of is to let it play with a microphone up to the computer speaker and I think that we know the answer to that one. [/snip] Go 'line out' from your computer to 'line in' on another and record the audio as a .wav=20 All you need is a cord with 1/8" stereo jacks on each end, Windows has a recorder. --=20 * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester=20 and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org=20 Workers of the Web, evolt !=20 From rob.smith at THERMON.com Wed Jul 6 17:29:33 2005 From: rob.smith at THERMON.com (Rob Smith) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 11:29:33 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Extracting Audio from an EXE Message-ID: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC92703E7D51E@smtmb.tmc.local> I think this program will allow you to capture all audio being played through your sound card: http://www.highcriteria.com/ Thanks! That was a cheap solution ($12). The unregistered version places a short one second "SCHKSCHKSHCSKH" every minute. It took me by surprise the first time I heard it :-) I then went and found a freeware .wav to .MP3 converter. Now I'm considering Sound Forge for advanced audio editing features. I used it on my Sony Viao for a while and worked great. It's about <$500 though. Unfortunately my Pinnacle Studio 8 software doesn't have that capability for at least I can determine. Rob From emily.tarrant at dsl.pipex.com Wed Jul 6 17:34:47 2005 From: emily.tarrant at dsl.pipex.com (Emily Tarrant) Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 17:34:47 +0100 Subject: [thelist] x-cart vs zen-cart In-Reply-To: <35073628-0D88-40DC-AAEE-67F2F1B46D5B@fstorr.demon.co.uk> References: <42CA8F43.5080403@netvision.net.il> <1120661141.42cbee951425e@netmail.pipex.net> <35073628-0D88-40DC-AAEE-67F2F1B46D5B@fstorr.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <42CC0827.80205@dsl.pipex.com> fstorr wrote: > Zen cart is tables, tables, tables. There's a CSS template set > available but clearly marked with an "experimental, do not use on a > production site" notice. If you want to hack it to be standards > compliant, you're in for a big, big job. I started doing it and then > gave up. > > Regards > > F > Hmmm, yes I'd noticed the tables, but thought that there was hope with the css template set. Do tables necessarily mean not standards compliant? Yes, I know all the pros and cons about css vs table-based design - I'm not trying to start a holy war. I'm one of the converted! But a tables-based site can still have valid markup. I use XHTML plus CSS for all my current designs (not a table-based layout in sight), but I do need to make some decisions about how to handle ecommerce. I've (probably foolishly) been hoping that an open source solution would be better than a commercial package. Are there any better solutions? I'm willing to give anything a go at this stage. Emily From Brian at hondaswap.com Wed Jul 6 17:47:43 2005 From: Brian at hondaswap.com (Brian Cummiskey) Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 12:47:43 -0400 Subject: [thelist] x-cart vs zen-cart In-Reply-To: <42CC0827.80205@dsl.pipex.com> References: <42CA8F43.5080403@netvision.net.il> <1120661141.42cbee951425e@netmail.pipex.net> <35073628-0D88-40DC-AAEE-67F2F1B46D5B@fstorr.demon.co.uk> <42CC0827.80205@dsl.pipex.com> Message-ID: <42CC0B2F.7090002@hondaswap.com> Emily Tarrant wrote: > Are there any better solutions? I'm > willing to give anything a go at this stage. if you're willing to spend a little money, cubecart seems to be a good package at $69. http://www.cubecart.com/site/home/ I have NO experience with it, but if i were to go to a shopping cart, i think this would be the one i would use. From emily.tarrant at dsl.pipex.com Wed Jul 6 18:46:10 2005 From: emily.tarrant at dsl.pipex.com (Emily Tarrant) Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 18:46:10 +0100 Subject: [thelist] x-cart vs zen-cart In-Reply-To: <42CC0B2F.7090002@hondaswap.com> References: <42CA8F43.5080403@netvision.net.il> <1120661141.42cbee951425e@netmail.pipex.net> <35073628-0D88-40DC-AAEE-67F2F1B46D5B@fstorr.demon.co.uk> <42CC0827.80205@dsl.pipex.com> <42CC0B2F.7090002@hondaswap.com> Message-ID: <42CC18E2.6050504@dsl.pipex.com> Brian Cummiskey wrote: > if you're willing to spend a little money, cubecart seems to be a good > package at $69. > > http://www.cubecart.com/site/home/ > > I have NO experience with it, but if i were to go to a shopping cart, > i think this would be the one i would use. > Thanks Brian. I'll look into that. $69 won't break the bank. Emily From hershelr at netvision.net.il Wed Jul 6 19:09:43 2005 From: hershelr at netvision.net.il (Hershel Robinson) Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 21:09:43 +0300 Subject: [thelist] Re: x-cart vs zen-cart In-Reply-To: <42CC18E2.6050504@dsl.pipex.com> References: <42CA8F43.5080403@netvision.net.il> <1120661141.42cbee951425e@netmail.pipex.net> <35073628-0D88-40DC-AAEE-67F2F1B46D5B@fstorr.demon.co.uk> <42CC0827.80205@dsl.pipex.com> <42CC0B2F.7090002@hondaswap.com> <42CC18E2.6050504@dsl.pipex.com> Message-ID: <42CC1E67.3090702@netvision.net.il> >> http://www.cubecart.com/site/home/ >> > Thanks Brian. I'll look into that. $69 won't break the bank. Neither would USD 185.00 for x-cart's base product. A quick glance at the feature list of each of these products indicates that you may well get what you pay for. I don't know x-cart well AT ALL, but it does have some very nice features, which for me, worked out of the box. I have also found the support to be very good thus far. YMMV :) Hershel From lists at neptunewebworks.com Wed Jul 6 19:17:02 2005 From: lists at neptunewebworks.com (Maximillian Schwanekamp) Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 11:17:02 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Secure FTP In-Reply-To: <42C89BD8.3050409@firebright.com> References: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E6914BCC3@kjserver1.kjhome.local> <42C89BD8.3050409@firebright.com> Message-ID: <42CC201E.1000302@neptunewebworks.com> Jonathan wrote: > Dude, KISS. I would install OpenSSH (guide here: > http://pigtail.net/LRP/printsrv/cygwin-sshd.html), and then use WinSCP > (www.winscp.com) as a client. Hey thanks for the mention of WinSCP. I'd been using Filezilla for FTP, and the SFTP on FZ is strangely slow and apparently buggy in my experience. WinSCP makes secure FTP via SSH a no-brainer. The Foreach loop is one of the simpler --and more powerful-- tools on the presentation side of the Smarty template engine. It can be used to easily loop over either indexed or associative arrays (contrary to what the docs seem to imply), and can be nested to reach deep arrays. One seeming drawback is that the "total" property of the foreach can only be used within or after the foreach. One way around this is to put the foreach inside a {capture} first. Then presentationally speaking you can use the foreach.total property *before* the foreach, making presentational logic decisions, etc. Simple example: {* put the loop output into a variable *} {capture assign="item_rows"} {foreach from="cart_items" item="item" name="itemsloop"} {$item.name} {$item.price} {/foreach} {/capture} {* use the smarty.foreach obj to get the "total" property *}

You have {$smarty.foreach.itemsloop.total} items in your cart.

{* output the loop *} {$item_rows}
Cart Contents
Item Name Item Price
-- Max Schwanekamp http://www.neptunewebworks.com/ From lists at neptunewebworks.com Wed Jul 6 19:51:28 2005 From: lists at neptunewebworks.com (Maximillian Schwanekamp) Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 11:51:28 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Re: x-cart vs zen-cart In-Reply-To: <42CC1E67.3090702@netvision.net.il> References: <42CA8F43.5080403@netvision.net.il> <1120661141.42cbee951425e@netmail.pipex.net> <35073628-0D88-40DC-AAEE-67F2F1B46D5B@fstorr.demon.co.uk> <42CC0827.80205@dsl.pipex.com> <42CC0B2F.7090002@hondaswap.com> <42CC18E2.6050504@dsl.pipex.com> <42CC1E67.3090702@netvision.net.il> Message-ID: <42CC2830.1030906@neptunewebworks.com> Hershel Robinson wrote: >>> http://www.cubecart.com/site/home/ >> Thanks Brian. I'll look into that. $69 won't break the bank. > Neither would USD 185.00 for x-cart's base product. A quick glance at > the feature list of each of these products indicates that you may well > get what you pay for. One thing to look closely at when buying into one of the all-encompassing ecommerce systems is the template system they're built around, since as devs that's where our work will mostly be. X-Cart is built around Smarty, and their [Qualiteam's] other cart system LiteCommerce is built with Flexy -- two well-documented templating engines. Zen Cart looks great generally, but AFAIK it has some kind of internal templating system that has rather poor documentation[0] beyond the FAQs. What's CubeCart's template engine, and how is the documentation? (I sent them the question too, but someone here may already know). [0] http://www.zen-cart.com/modules/xoopsfaq/index.php?cat_id=3#40 -- Max Schwanekamp http://www.neptunewebworks.com/ From mdjohnson at bcbe.org Wed Jul 6 22:14:51 2005 From: mdjohnson at bcbe.org (Mike D. Johnson) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 16:14:51 -0500 Subject: [thelist] date ranges Message-ID: I have items that are reserved for certain dates. =20 In my database, I have reservationStartDate and reservationEndDate. How do I get an array with all of the days an item is unavailable? =20 I need one array with all start dates, all end dates and all days in between those two.=20 I'm using ASP and an Access DB. The start and end dates in the DB are Date/Time values. The final goal is to display a table-style calendar with the available dates indicated. Thanks for any help, Mike From joshua at waetech.com Wed Jul 6 22:24:36 2005 From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 17:24:36 -0400 Subject: [thelist] date ranges In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike D. Johnson > Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 5:15 PM > > I have items that are reserved for certain dates. > > In my database, I have reservationStartDate and > reservationEndDate. How > do I get an array with all of the days an item is unavailable? Mike, At the end of May we had a lengthy discussion on scheduling, which is similar to this problem. Check out the thread titled "Iterate through result set - Is this possible? (SQL)" http://lists.evolt.org/archive/Week-of-Mon-20050530/172876.html <><><><><><><><><><> Joshua L. Olson WAE Tech Inc. http://www.waetech.com/ Phone: 706.210.0168 Fax: 413.812.4864 Monitor bandwidth usage on IIS6 in real-time: http://www.waetech.com/services/iisbm/ From rick.denhaan at gmail.com Wed Jul 6 22:32:46 2005 From: rick.denhaan at gmail.com (Rick den Haan) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 23:32:46 +0200 Subject: [thelist] Extracting Audio from an EXE In-Reply-To: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC92703E7D51E@smtmb.tmc.local> References: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC92703E7D51E@smtmb.tmc.local> Message-ID: Here's another simple solution: 1 - Open the volume control (in All Programs - Accessories - Volume Control) 2 - Switch to Record View (Options - Properties) - (Adjust volume for: Recording) - (Make sure Stereo Downmix (or similar) is checked) 3 - Check "Select" under the stereo downmix control 4 - Open a wave editor - there's plenty of freeware apps out there that allow you to record to wave files. What you changed in the volume control settings makes sure Windows uses your stereo line-out as the input signal for sound recording, basically rewiring your line-out to your line-in, without the need for cables. Note that I'm running a different language Windows, so it might not be called exactly what I call it here. Note also that Windows will (usually) remember these settings, so if you want to use a microphone later you'll have to return to the record view in volume control and select the microphone as the input signal. HTH, Rick. From mwarden at gmail.com Wed Jul 6 22:49:20 2005 From: mwarden at gmail.com (Matt Warden) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 17:49:20 -0400 Subject: [thelist] date ranges In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mike, On 7/6/05, Mike D. Johnson wrote: > I have items that are reserved for certain dates. >=20 > In my database, I have reservationStartDate and reservationEndDate. How > do I get an array with all of the days an item is unavailable? >=20 > I need one array with all start dates, all end dates and all days in > between those two. >=20 > I'm using ASP and an Access DB. The start and end dates in the DB are > Date/Time values. >=20 > The final goal is to display a table-style calendar with the available > dates indicated. I was developing something like this a couple employments ago. I ended up creating a custom data structure, because I had to be able to modify the schedule easily and of course an array would require me to do expensive shifting and such. Since you are only reading this information, you should be fine with an array. However, you do not need to include all days within each range. This would be quite a waste of space. For each day, you would simply have logic to show something as reserved if the day is within the range for that something. Somethign along the lines (off the top of my head, so grain of salt and whatnot): $dayreservations =3D Array(); loop over days { // loop over all reservations (probably for=20 // this month or some such restriction) foreach ($reservations as $reservation) { // if current day in range if ($day >=3D $reservation['begindate']=20 || $day < $reservation['enddate']) { // append reference to this array to this day $dayreservations[$day][] =3D& $reservation; } // end if } // end foreach } // end loop over days --=20 Matt Warden Miami University Oxford, OH, USA http://mattwarden.com This email proudly and graciously contributes to entropy. From sbeam at onsetcorps.net Wed Jul 6 23:54:37 2005 From: sbeam at onsetcorps.net (sbeam) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 18:54:37 -0400 Subject: [thelist] Re: x-cart vs zen-cart In-Reply-To: <42CC2830.1030906@neptunewebworks.com> References: <42CA8F43.5080403@netvision.net.il> <42CC1E67.3090702@netvision.net.il> <42CC2830.1030906@neptunewebworks.com> Message-ID: <200507061854.37873.sbeam@onsetcorps.net> On Wednesday 06 July 2005 02:51 pm, Maximillian Schwanekamp wrote: > X-Cart is built around Smarty, and their [Qualiteam's] other cart system > LiteCommerce is built with Flexy -- two well-documented templating > engines. Have used X-Cart, and IMHO its a great example of how NOT to use a templating system. The point of a template engine like Smarty is to cleanly separate the logic from the layout - but they elected to put a huge amount of the logic into the templates. Smarty makes this possible, with functions like {assign} and {math} and {eval} (!) but that does not mean you should do it. Along with the, as mentioned, 1999-era nested tables mess, it turns out to be almost as hairy as a site that mixes HTML directly into the PHP itself. And trying to decide which template corresponds to which chunk of HTML is a challenge, and again, a template system is supposed to make that easy. Actually it really hurt us as it took much longer to customize than planned - when we heard it used Smarty we assumed adjusting the templates would be a cakewalk... Anyway, those headaches aside, it does have some nice features out of the box that set it apart from other offering that I know of. We have spent many hours customizing it to suit the clients needs and it is better written than osCommerce at least. Personally I might try LiteCommerce next time, the authors basically admit (paraphrasing from a forum post read months ago) that there were some design mistakes made with XCart, but they applied those lessons to LC and it is much cleaner (read: OO) if not yet quite as featureful. -- # S Beam - Web App Dev Servs # http://www.onsetcorps.net/ From dw at ainscough.net Wed Jul 6 23:48:16 2005 From: dw at ainscough.net (Dave Williamson) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 23:48:16 +0100 Subject: [thelist] Web calendaring Message-ID: Dear All Can you help? I'm looking for a web application that can handle bookings for 20+ rooms and 10+ resources (PC, overhead projector, sound system, etc) as well as some basic calendaring (budget meeting coming up, summer fete being run, etc) for my employer. The web server is running IIS and has Perl, PHP and mySQL running on it. I've looked at phpWebCalendar (http://www.k5n.us/webcalendar.php) which looks like it will do the job but I don't like the fact people have to log in to view diaries and it may be overly fiddly for users to get it to handle the booking side And at myMeetingRoomManager (http://www.netsimplicity.com/products/) which will do the room bookings beautifully but not the calendering. I'm about to look at Kronolith (http://www.horde.org/kronolith/) but would welcome any suggestions Looking forward to hearing from you Dave From sub at doolang.com Thu Jul 7 01:13:20 2005 From: sub at doolang.com (Darin Lang) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 17:13:20 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Re: x-cart vs zen-cart In-Reply-To: <42CC2830.1030906@neptunewebworks.com> References: <42CA8F43.5080403@netvision.net.il> <1120661141.42cbee951425e@netmail.pipex.net> <35073628-0D88-40DC-AAEE-67F2F1B46D5B@fstorr.demon.co.uk> <42CC0827.80205@dsl.pipex.com> <42CC0B2F.7090002@hondaswap.com> <42CC18E2.6050504@dsl.pipex.com> <42CC1E67.3090702@netvision.net.il> <42CC2830.1030906@neptunewebworks.com> Message-ID: <6a80842a06db7ef0621f05d5f5ff3d0d@doolang.com> I have used Zen Cart and found it to have great support and a large active developer community that is in the progress of addressing these few complaints mentioned, about tables being incorporated in the output and messing up the pure CSS template. I found it far more flexible and easier than x-cart, cube cart, fish cart, oss commerce, miva, shopsite and any of the other carts i have used over the years. Zen cart is incredibly customizable, and easy to get up and running with. You can see two zen cart stores at the link below, one wholesale, one retail. Thank You, Darin Lang The WindTamer Flame Fortress http://TheWindTamer.com/ From d at doolang.com Thu Jul 7 01:10:51 2005 From: d at doolang.com (Darin Lang) Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 17:10:51 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Re: x-cart vs zen-cart In-Reply-To: <200507061854.37873.sbeam@onsetcorps.net> References: <42CA8F43.5080403@netvision.net.il> <42CC1E67.3090702@netvision.net.il> <42CC2830.1030906@neptunewebworks.com> <200507061854.37873.sbeam@onsetcorps.net> Message-ID: I have used Zen Cart and found it to have great support and a large active developer community that is in the progress of addressing these few complaints mentioned, about tables being incorporated in the output and messing up the pure CSS template. I found it far more flexible and easier than x-cart, cube cart, fish cart, oss commerce, miva, shopsite and any of the other carts i have used over the years. Zen cart is incredibly customizable, and easy to get up and running with. You can see two zen cart stores at the link below, one wholesale, one retail. Thank You, Darin Lang The WindTamer Flame Fortress http://TheWindTamer.com/ From evolt at funkwit.com Thu Jul 7 02:48:50 2005 From: evolt at funkwit.com (Paul Cowan) Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 11:48:50 +1000 Subject: [thelist] XML DOM question (possibly a silly one, possibly not) Message-ID: <699817781.1120736930@[192.168.2.66]> Hey all, One of my colleagues here is having a bit of an issue with the MS XML DOM objects and, not being overly familiar with them, thought I'd handball the query onto thelist. Suppose the following XML fragment: Some data. More data. A subnode smack in the middle of the other nodes. The last bit of data. is represented by an object "mynode". He wants to get all the text of "mynode", without including subelements... so he'd like Some data. More data. Some data with < in it. The last bit of data. but if he calls mynode.text, he gets Some data. More data. Some data with < in it. A subnode smack in the middle of the other nodes. The last bit of data. Is there an easy way to do this? He can obviously do a loop through the child nodes of mynode, check if they're type TEXT_NODE or CDATA_SECTION_NODE, and if so append their value to a string but he's convinced there's a better way to do it in one fell swoop. Any ideas? Thanks in advance for your help, Paul Cowan From zamba at zamba.com Thu Jul 7 02:48:50 2005 From: zamba at zamba.com (Tony Page) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 11:48:50 +1000 Subject: [thelist] RE: x-cart vs zen-cart In-Reply-To: <6a80842a06db7ef0621f05d5f5ff3d0d@doolang.com> Message-ID: <002601c58296$05dc5c00$6401a8c0@WORKSTATION2> While we're on the carts subject, has anyone any experience of using Ashop (http://www.ashopsoftware.com/) ? I'm attracted to it by its built-in affiliate system and especially it's integration (to produce differentiated customer mailing lists) with the autoresponder Autoresponse Plus which I already use. On the other hand, are these features available in the carts currently under discussion without heavy modding? Any info gratefully received, Tony Page http://www.travelsignposts.com From mwarden at gmail.com Thu Jul 7 03:09:19 2005 From: mwarden at gmail.com (Matt Warden) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 22:09:19 -0400 Subject: [thelist] XML DOM question (possibly a silly one, possibly not) In-Reply-To: <699817781.1120736930@192.168.2.66> References: <699817781.1120736930@192.168.2.66> Message-ID: On 7/6/05, Paul Cowan wrote: > Is there an easy way to do this? He can obviously do a loop through the > child nodes of mynode, check if they're type TEXT_NODE or > CDATA_SECTION_NODE, and if so append their value to a string but he's > convinced there's a better way to do it in one fell swoop. Any ideas? That's how I'd do it. --=20 Matt Warden Miami University Oxford, OH, USA http://mattwarden.com This email proudly and graciously contributes to entropy. From bj at kickasswebdesign.com Thu Jul 7 03:37:01 2005 From: bj at kickasswebdesign.com (BJ) Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 22:37:01 -0400 Subject: [thelist] x-cart vs zen-cart Message-ID: <42CC954D.8050101@kickasswebdesign.com> "Based on advice from this list I chose x-cart for an e-store I recently built. The back-end seems to be very professional with all the (and even more) features than the average small e-store would ever need. "The front-end (produced HTML) however is, in a word, horrific. It's 1999-era HTML coding IMHO. "Customizing the front end, however, I found to be actually fairly easy. "With my (very) limited knowledge of these two options, I would say x-cart is probably overall a better choice, because when push comes to shove, if it doesn't work, it's not worth anything. x-cart works and if not, they have support, whereas zen-cart apparently may or may not work. "Anyone have anything more intelligent to share in comparing zen-cart vs x-cart?" I installed Zen-Cart then tried to customize it. Though they SAY it's css compliant, it's a nightmare of tables and there is so much crap that just plain isn't needed, yet docs to get a handle on what does what and what can be customized are awful. I don't see that it's any much less "horrific" than what you described you found in x-cart's front end. The Zen-Cart support board folks, though eager to help and very friendly, don't explain things very well, to say the least. I've been looking for a different shopping cart I can work with ever since. I have a feeling I'm going to be trying x-cart, especially if you tell me that a reasonably intelligent person can figure out a way to make the front end xhtml/css compliant. I've been working with WordPress themes, and have a good handle on them, and I think that's a similar interface with PHP, though WP is probably not as complicated. In my (somewhat limited) experience with open source software the quality of the community and docs is every bit as important as the usefulness and coding of the piece of software itself. That's what makes WordPress such a great tool, though certainly it's a much simpler application. Zen-Cart is not anywhere near that level in terms of docs and forum support. Anyway, bottom line is if you want up to date xhtml/css and tableless layouts, Zen-Cart is NOT the answer unless you want to figure it all out yourself without a lot of help. And if you do come up with a Zen-Cart xhtml/css template that you can let me use as a basis for my own custom template, I'd definitely be interested in hearing about it. Meanwhile I'll be giving x-cart a test drive. And if anyone else has a different recommendation for a css-compliant shopping cart ap that doesn't cost a small fortune I'd love to hear about it. -- Ciao for Now, bj "To err is human - and to blame it on a computer is even more so." Robert Orben --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound says I'm squeaky clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0527-0, 07/04/2005 Tested on: 7/6/2005 10:37:03 PM From rwd at csi1st.net Thu Jul 7 04:06:02 2005 From: rwd at csi1st.net (Ron Dorman) Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 22:06:02 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Re: x-cart vs zen-cart In-Reply-To: <6a80842a06db7ef0621f05d5f5ff3d0d@doolang.com> References: <42CA8F43.5080403@netvision.net.il> <1120661141.42cbee951425e@netmail.pipex.net> <35073628-0D88-40DC-AAEE-67F2F1B46D5B@fstorr.demon.co.uk> <42CC0827.80205@dsl.pipex.com> <42CC0B2F.7090002@hondaswap.com> <42CC18E2.6050504@dsl.pipex.com> <42CC1E67.3090702@netvision.net.il> <42CC2830.1030906@neptunewebworks.com> <6a80842a06db7ef0621f05d5f5ff3d0d@doolang.com> Message-ID: <42CC9C1A.3080404@csi1st.net> Darin Lang wrote: > I have used Zen Cart and found it to have great support and a large > active developer community that is in the progress of addressing these > few complaints mentioned, about tables being incorporated in the > output and messing up the pure CSS template. I found it far more > flexible and easier than x-cart, cube cart, fish cart, oss commerce, > miva, shopsite and any of the other carts i have used over the years. > Zen cart is incredibly customizable, and easy to get up and running > with. You can see two zen cart stores at the link below, one > wholesale, one retail. I am in the middle of my first Zen Cart site. I have found it to be an easy installation, and after a week of reading the support forums and FAQS to understand the design, fairly easy to modify. I researched in the forums, each mod needed as I came to it in the production plan (stay focused) and we are close to a production site in a week (the client already had most of the graphics ready and started uploading as soon as I had Zen Cart functional). While the templating system is rolled by Zen Cart (instead of using Smarty or other popular templating engine), it provides for template overrides for your customizations. You simply create a template directory with whatever name you want, copy the default template file you need to change into your directory and modify to your hearts content. The sweet part is when you upgrade (good one coming soon), your mods stay in place. The only thing you need to do is run diff's on the new files and your modified files to see if there is anything you need to add to your mod files for new features. Zen Cart is going to be non-table, xhtml/css within the not too distant future. It is currently xhtml 1.0 Transitional by code but I have not yet begun validation tests on this new site so I don't know how well it validates. You can see the work-in-progress at toddbloom.com (a client domain/URL so everyone be considerate) for another example of what can be done. While not finished with presentation/layout, the site is fully functional and will charge credit cards if you take it that far. Ron D. -- Ron Dorman Simply Digital Technologies www.simplydigtech.net rwd@simplydigtech.net 817-503-7704 ofc 817-503-7719 fax 817-528-8947 cell From dab.hand at xtra.co.nz Thu Jul 7 05:01:39 2005 From: dab.hand at xtra.co.nz (David Bailey) Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 16:01:39 +1200 Subject: [thelist] Remote Desktop Client on XP Home? In-Reply-To: <71cebc00035c45c7bc2c503a0a09270e@pmason.karoo.co.uk> Message-ID: Hi Wesley, I've tried doing what you have said and also using Interachy and can now download an img file. But now I can't open the file! When trying to open the file I get VNCTHing.img" failed to mount due to error 95. (no mountable file systems). Any ideas? David > From: Wesley Aaron Mason > The page of gobbledegook is Safari trying to render the binary disk > image (.img) file as text as the server is returning the wrong mime > type, right click on the link for the file and use saves as (or Save > Linked File to "etcetc" in the latest Safari, mileage may vary for > other versions or other browsers), _or_ open the file as a page of > gobbledegook and then use File -> Save As to save it as a .img file > (don't worry about it saving it as the text shown, any browser worth > it's salt should use the binary data cached either in memory or on the > disk and not the rendered output). > > - -- > Wesley Aaron Mason > Weblog from nowhere: http://1stvamp.org/ > Webcomic from somewhere: http://gfbowl.com/ > Public PGP/GPG Key: http://1stvamp.org/stuff/pgp > > > On Jul 6, 2005, at 1:14 am, David Bailey wrote: > >> On 6/7/05 10:52 AM, "David Siedband" wrote: >> >> On the mac, >>> you may also want to have a look at VNCthing. I've been using that >>> client for a while and have been pleased with it. >> >> How do you get hold of VNCThing? It works for Mac OS9 (which one of my >> machines still runs on). Google and other sites link to MacUpdate, but >> it >> seems to have been deleted as obsolete, or I am not looking in the >> right >> place. I also tried downloading it from >> http://powerofvoice.nl/macpaul/download/VNCThing2.2/ >> >> But when clicking on the download it always ends up with a page of >> gobbledygook. I can't find a means of contact on that site. >> >> Any suggestions? >> >> David From lists at neptunewebworks.com Thu Jul 7 06:18:11 2005 From: lists at neptunewebworks.com (Maximillian Schwanekamp) Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 22:18:11 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Re: x-cart vs zen-cart In-Reply-To: <200507061854.37873.sbeam@onsetcorps.net> References: <42CA8F43.5080403@netvision.net.il> <42CC1E67.3090702@netvision.net.il> <42CC2830.1030906@neptunewebworks.com> <200507061854.37873.sbeam@onsetcorps.net> Message-ID: <42CCBB13.4030807@neptunewebworks.com> sbeam wrote: > Actually it > really hurt us as it took much longer to customize than planned - when > we heard it used Smarty we assumed adjusting the templates would be a > cakewalk... > ... > Anyway, those headaches aside, it does have some nice features out of > the box that set it apart from other offering that I know of. We have > spent many hours customizing it to suit the clients needs and it is > better written than osCommerce at least. Personally I might try > LiteCommerce next time, ... Good points. I was just trying to emphasize the importance of getting a grasp of what it takes to customize an installation of one of the large commerce suites. X-Cart comes with templates that are poorly-designed by today's standards, and perhaps abuses Smarty's capabilities. But at least you could consult the Smarty documentation and find out what the Smarty tags mean, and have something to go on. For some other ecommerce systems' template engines, those docs will not be there, which *could* make cleaning up the template markup even more difficult. I'm not advocating for any particular cart system, just the practice of going in eyes-open. -- Max Schwanekamp http://www.neptunewebworks.com/ From st.schwarzer at geois.de Thu Jul 7 08:13:50 2005 From: st.schwarzer at geois.de (Stefan Schwarzer) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 09:13:50 +0200 Subject: [thelist] CSS to draw box with image inside Message-ID: <6B578FB4-8093-4BE5-9689-CCFA3D656284@geois.de> Hi, I have a problem with the CSS. In principal not too difficult, I'd thought. I just want that some text and an image stays within a box. But I don't know why, the photo always "leaves" the (red) box. (see screenshot attached) Any idea what I do wrong? Thanks for your input. Stef img { float: right; margin-left: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; padding: 3px; border: 2px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); display: inline; } .blogbody { font-family: georgia, serif; color: #333; font-size: 80%; font-weight: normal; background: #dd9; padding: 10px; display: block; border: 1px solid #f00; } ------------------------------------------------------------------------

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From dmtechster at gmail.com Thu Jul 7 14:03:13 2005 From: dmtechster at gmail.com (Donny Morris) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 09:03:13 -0400 Subject: [thelist] Hardware and Software pricing Message-ID: <48936b9e050707060314650ec3@mail.gmail.com> I'm putting together a ballpark type of quote for some people in my company. The quote is based on the "recommendations" by the software company that is writting the software. The reason for the ballpark quote is so that those that need it can determine if the ROI will work. Now I have gathered several quotes on the specified hardware and software that is needed. What I am looking for is some idea of how different parts of the software license play out. For example MSSQL pricing is based on processor, however there is also a client license. Now this is a server that will be basically only accessed via a web interface and some messaging back and forth. So do I need alot of user/client licenses? As you can tell I'm not very good with the software part of pricing. And if you pay the per processor fee do you have to pay the user/client license fee? From nan at heritageconcord.org Thu Jul 7 14:43:16 2005 From: nan at heritageconcord.org (Nan Harbison) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 09:43:16 -0400 Subject: [thelist] stupid PHP question In-Reply-To: <48936b9e050707060314650ec3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello All, I have this function $array is a two dimensional array being retrieved from a table): foreach ($array as $row) { $row_count = is_array($row) ? count($row) : 0; if ($row_count > $max_cols) { $max_cols = $row_count; } } What I don't understand is the syntax of this line: $row_count = is_array($row) ? count($row) : 0; I have spent hours looking through my PHP books, but can't find it. Can someone please explain what the question mark is doing? And the count($row) : 0? Sorry, I know this is a dumb question. TIA, Nan From alex at deltatraffic.co.uk Thu Jul 7 15:11:59 2005 From: alex at deltatraffic.co.uk (Alex) Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 15:11:59 +0100 Subject: [thelist] stupid PHP question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42CD382F.8080409@deltatraffic.co.uk> ternary operator http://cplus.about.com/od/cprogrammin1/l/bldef_ternaryop.htm http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/T/ternary_operator.html http://www.totallyphp.co.uk/tutorials/using_if_else_ternary_operators.htm Alex From jay.blanchard at niicommunications.com Thu Jul 7 15:13:34 2005 From: jay.blanchard at niicommunications.com (Jay Blanchard) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 09:13:34 -0500 Subject: [thelist] stupid PHP question Message-ID: [snip] What I don't understand is the syntax of this line: $row_count =3D is_array($row) ? count($row) : 0; [/snip] This is a ternary comparison form of an IF statement...read it like this... if(is_array($row)){ //this is the ? count($row); } else { //this is the : 0; } http://us3.php.net/ternary about 1/3rd down the page. From paul at xk7.net Thu Jul 7 15:17:04 2005 From: paul at xk7.net (Paul Waring) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 15:17:04 +0100 Subject: [thelist] stupid PHP question In-Reply-To: References: <48936b9e050707060314650ec3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20050707141704.GA75008@kryten.xk7.net> On Thu, Jul 07, 2005 at 09:43:16AM -0400, Nan Harbison wrote: > What I don't understand is the syntax of this line: > > $row_count = is_array($row) ? count($row) : 0; > > I have spent hours looking through my PHP books, but can't find it. Can > someone please explain what the question mark is doing? And the count($row) > : 0? It's the equivalent to writing: if ( is_array($row) ) { $row_count = count($row); } else { $row_count = 0; } In other words, the left hand side of the equals sign will be set to the value of the left side of the colon if the expression before the question mark is true, and the value of the right side of the colon otherwise. It's basically a more compact way of assigning a value to a variable based on the result of a boolean expression. You can read a bit more about the ternary operator here: http://uk.php.net/manual/en/language.operators.php As for the count($row) part, that just counts the number of entries in the $row array, so for example if you had $row[0], $row[1] and $row[2], count($row) would return 3. It works in the same way for associative arrays, and it's useful when looping through all elements of an array because you can do something like: for ( $i = 0; $i < count($row); $i++ ) { // do something with $row[$i] } although the foreach operator might be more useful if you want to iterate over an array. You can also do more fancy things with count, such as counting recursively through an array. More information can be found at: http://uk.php.net/foreach http://uk.php.net/count Hope this helps. Paul -- Rogue Tory http://www.roguetory.org.uk From davidfelton at codemasters.com Thu Jul 7 15:20:46 2005 From: davidfelton at codemasters.com (David Felton) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 15:20:46 +0100 Subject: [thelist] stupid PHP question Message-ID: This is what's known as the ternary conditional operator. $row_count = is_array($row) ? count($row) : 0; is the short-hand equivalent of: if(is_array($row)) { $row_count = count($row); } else { $row_count = 0; } You'll find a lot more info on it if you Google for "ternary conditional operator" -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces@lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces@lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Nan Harbison Sent: 07 July 2005 2:43 To: thelist@lists.evolt.org Subject: [thelist] stupid PHP question Hello All, I have this function $array is a two dimensional array being retrieved from a table): foreach ($array as $row) { $row_count = is_array($row) ? count($row) : 0; if ($row_count > $max_cols) { $max_cols = $row_count; } } What I don't understand is the syntax of this line: $row_count = is_array($row) ? count($row) : 0; I have spent hours looking through my PHP books, but can't find it. Can someone please explain what the question mark is doing? And the count($row) : 0? Sorry, I know this is a dumb question. TIA, Nan -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. ********************************************************************** From chris at lwcdial.net Thu Jul 7 15:25:27 2005 From: chris at lwcdial.net (Chris Hayes) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 15:25:27 +0100 Subject: [thelist] stupid PHP question References: Message-ID: <02a401c582ff$bf769c20$3800a8c0@herb.londonweb.net> Looks like a short for: if is_array($row) $row_count = count($row) else $row_count = 0 I don't know PHP much but it looks similar in other languages. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nan Harbison" To: Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 2:43 PM Subject: [thelist] stupid PHP question > Hello All, > > I have this function $array is a two dimensional array being retrieved from > a table): > > foreach ($array as $row) > { > $row_count = is_array($row) ? count($row) : 0; > if ($row_count > $max_cols) > { > $max_cols = $row_count; > } > } > > What I don't understand is the syntax of this line: > > $row_count = is_array($row) ? count($row) : 0; > > I have spent hours looking through my PHP books, but can't find it. Can > someone please explain what the question mark is doing? And the count($row) > : 0? > > Sorry, I know this is a dumb question. > TIA, > Nan > > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! From lustig at brandeis.edu Thu Jul 7 15:17:21 2005 From: lustig at brandeis.edu (lustig@brandeis.edu) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 10:17:21 -0400 Subject: [thelist] stupid PHP question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1120745841.42cd39716a099@webmail.undergrad.brandeis.edu> > I have spent hours looking through my PHP books, but can't find it. Can > someone please explain what the question mark is doing? And the count($row) > : 0? It's the ternary operator, which is an alternate syntax for an if() statement. Read more at http://us2.php.net/operators.comparison. Jason From arnigunnar at gmail.com Thu Jul 7 15:25:38 2005 From: arnigunnar at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=C1rni_Gunnar_Ragnarsson?=) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 16:25:38 +0200 Subject: [thelist] stupid PHP question In-Reply-To: References: <48936b9e050707060314650ec3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <347c2cbc0507070725664a6975@mail.gmail.com> Not a PHP specialist, but think I know what this is doing. It is basically an IF --- THEN clause. if (is_array($row)) { $row_count =3D count($row); } else { $row_count =3D 0; } On 7/7/05, Nan Harbison wrote: > Hello All, >=20 > I have this function $array is a two dimensional array being retrieved fr= om > a table): >=20 > foreach ($array as $row) > { > $row_count =3D is_array($row) ? count($row) : 0; > if ($row_count > $max_cols) > { > $max_cols =3D $row_count; > } > } >=20 > What I don't understand is the syntax of this line: >=20 > $row_count =3D is_array($row) ? count($row) : 0; >=20 > I have spent hours looking through my PHP books, but can't find it. Can > someone please explain what the question mark is doing? And the count($ro= w) > : 0? >=20 > Sorry, I know this is a dumb question. > TIA, > Nan >=20 >=20 > -- >=20 > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ >=20 > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! >=20 --=20 ------------------------------------------------------ Arni Gunnar Ragnarsson EMAIL: arnigunnar@gmail.com MSN: arnigunnar@hotmail.com WEB: http://www.arnigunnar.net/ From soundres9 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 7 15:29:51 2005 From: soundres9 at yahoo.com (klute) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 07:29:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [thelist] stupid PHP question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050707142951.29820.qmail@web50106.mail.yahoo.com> I did not realize that PHP could use this syntax (I know it from Java) What means is: the value to be assigned to $row_count equals count($row) if $row happens to be an array. otherwise, $row_count equals 0. here is another example x = (y == 3) ? y : 5; x equals 3 if y equals 3. otherwise, x equals 5. hope this helps james --- Nan Harbison wrote: > Hello All, > > I have this function $array is a two dimensional > array being retrieved from > a table): > > foreach ($array as $row) > { > $row_count = is_array($row) ? count($row) : 0; > if ($row_count > $max_cols) > { > $max_cols = $row_count; > } > } > > What I don't understand is the syntax of this line: > > $row_count = is_array($row) ? count($row) : 0; > > I have spent hours looking through my PHP books, but > can't find it. Can > someone please explain what the question mark is > doing? And the count($row) > : 0? > > Sorry, I know this is a dumb question. > TIA, > Nan > > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. > * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip > Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: > http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From todd at promisingsites.com Thu Jul 7 15:44:03 2005 From: todd at promisingsites.com (Todd Richards) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 09:44:03 -0500 Subject: [thelist] CSS to draw box with image inside In-Reply-To: <6B578FB4-8093-4BE5-9689-CCFA3D656284@geois.de> Message-ID: <200507070945156.SM02128@blackshirts> Hi Stephan - I removed the set of
tags in the middle of the code, and added a
at the end, and it might be what you are after. HTH, Todd

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Da sind wir also endlich auch zu dritt mit dem Bus unterwegs. Die warmen sommerlichen Temperaturen erlauben der Kleinen das "Nacktbaden" im Bus. Sie scheint's zu geniessen.
-----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces@lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces@lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Stefan Schwarzer Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 2:14 AM To: thelist@lists.evolt.org Subject: [thelist] CSS to draw box with image inside Hi, I have a problem with the CSS. In principal not too difficult, I'd thought. I just want that some text and an image stays within a box. But I don't know why, the photo always "leaves" the (red) box. (see screenshot attached) Any idea what I do wrong? Thanks for your input. Stef img { float: right; margin-left: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; padding: 3px; border: 2px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); display: inline; } .blogbody { font-family: georgia, serif; color: #333; font-size: 80%; font-weight: normal; background: #dd9; padding: 10px; display: block; border: 1px solid #f00; } ------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Da sind wir also endlich auch zu dritt mit dem Bus unterwegs. Die warmen sommerlichen Temperaturen erlauben der Kleinen das "Nacktbaden" im Bus. Sie scheint's zu geniessen.
From and-evolt at doxdesk.com Thu Jul 7 16:17:52 2005 From: and-evolt at doxdesk.com (Andrew Clover) Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 17:17:52 +0200 Subject: [thelist] XML DOM question (possibly a silly one, possibly not) In-Reply-To: <699817781.1120736930@[192.168.2.66]> References: <699817781.1120736930@[192.168.2.66]> Message-ID: <42CD47A0.3000907@doxdesk.com> Paul Cowan wrote: > Is there an easy way to do this? In DOM Level 3 Core there is a 'textContent' property which will do this for you. However this is relatively new and Level 3 is not yet supported by any released version of MSXML. There does also seem to be a MS-only property 'text' which does more or less the same thing: http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/xmlsdk/html/b9f053cf-84cf-4a1c-9d7e-b3aabf9830a2.asp > He can obviously do a loop through the > child nodes of mynode, check if they're type TEXT_NODE or > CDATA_SECTION_NODE That's the normal way of doing it if you can't rely on either of the above being available. -- Andrew Clover mailto:and@doxdesk.com http://www.doxdesk.com/ From mdjohnson at bcbe.org Thu Jul 7 17:18:46 2005 From: mdjohnson at bcbe.org (Mike D. Johnson) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 11:18:46 -0500 Subject: [thelist] date ranges Message-ID: I don't understand what you've recommended but I certainly appreciate your willingness to help. Let me try to explain my problem better... =20 Here is what I have: ds is an array that has the start and end dates of a reservation: reservationStartDate | reservationEndDate 7/1/2005 | 7/3/2005 7/6/2005 | 7/6/2005 What I need is to create a second array (named allDays) that looks like this: 7/1/2005 7/2/2005 7/3/2005 7/6/2005 It needs to include all reservationStartDates, all reservationEndDates and all of the days in between those where applicable I'm using vbScript in a classic ASP page. Thanks -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces@lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces@lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Matt Warden Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 4:49 PM To: thelist@lists.evolt.org Subject: Re: [thelist] date ranges Mike, On 7/6/05, Mike D. Johnson wrote: > I have items that are reserved for certain dates. >=20 > In my database, I have reservationStartDate and reservationEndDate. How > do I get an array with all of the days an item is unavailable? >=20 > I need one array with all start dates, all end dates and all days in > between those two. >=20 > I'm using ASP and an Access DB. The start and end dates in the DB are > Date/Time values. >=20 > The final goal is to display a table-style calendar with the available > dates indicated. I was developing something like this a couple employments ago. I ended up creating a custom data structure, because I had to be able to modify the schedule easily and of course an array would require me to do expensive shifting and such. Since you are only reading this information, you should be fine with an array. However, you do not need to include all days within each range. This would be quite a waste of space. For each day, you would simply have logic to show something as reserved if the day is within the range for that something. Somethign along the lines (off the top of my head, so grain of salt and whatnot): $dayreservations =3D Array(); loop over days { // loop over all reservations (probably for=20 // this month or some such restriction) foreach ($reservations as $reservation) { // if current day in range if ($day >=3D $reservation['begindate']=20 || $day < $reservation['enddate']) { // append reference to this array to this day $dayreservations[$day][] =3D& $reservation; } // end if } // end foreach } // end loop over days --=20 Matt Warden Miami University Oxford, OH, USA http://mattwarden.com This email proudly and graciously contributes to entropy. --=20 * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester=20 and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org=20 Workers of the Web, evolt !=20 From st.schwarzer at geois.de Thu Jul 7 17:24:48 2005 From: st.schwarzer at geois.de (Stefan Schwarzer) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 18:24:48 +0200 Subject: [thelist] CSS to draw box with image inside In-Reply-To: <200507070945156.SM02128@blackshirts> References: <200507070945156.SM02128@blackshirts> Message-ID: <119CE0CB-5517-44D0-BCB8-5C53A5C3D907@geois.de> Great, thanks a lot!!! > Hi Stephan - > > I removed the set of
tags in the middle of the code, and > added a
clear="all"> at the end, and it might be what you are after. > > HTH, > > Todd > > >

Endlich unterwegs  h3> src="C899007769/E20050702135718/Media/DSC_0023_1.jpg" height="250" > width="379" alt="" />Da sind wir also endlich auch zu dritt mit dem > Bus > unterwegs. Die warmen sommerlichen Temperaturen erlauben der > Kleinen das > "Nacktbaden" im Bus. Sie scheint's zu geniessen. >
>

> > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: thelist-bounces@lists.evolt.org > [mailto:thelist-bounces@lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Stefan Schwarzer > Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 2:14 AM > To: thelist@lists.evolt.org > Subject: [thelist] CSS to draw box with image inside > > Hi, > > I have a problem with the CSS. In principal not too difficult, I'd > thought. > I just want that some text and an image stays within a box. > But I don't know why, the photo always "leaves" the (red) box. (see > screenshot attached) Any idea what I do wrong? > > Thanks for your input. > > Stef > > > > img { > float: right; > margin-left: 10px; > margin-bottom: 10px; > padding: 3px; > border: 2px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); > display: inline; > } > > .blogbody { > font-family: georgia, serif; > color: #333; > font-size: 80%; > font-weight: normal; > background: #dd9; > padding: 10px; > display: block; > border: 1px solid #f00; > } > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > >
> >

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> height="250" width="379" alt="" /> Da sind wir > also endlich auch zu dritt mit dem Bus unterwegs. Die warmen > sommerlichen > Temperaturen erlauben der Kleinen das "Nacktbaden" im Bus. Sie > scheint's > zu > geniessen. >
> >
> > > > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From wes at pmason.karoo.co.uk Thu Jul 7 18:00:12 2005 From: wes at pmason.karoo.co.uk (Wesley Aaron Mason) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 18:00:12 +0100 Subject: [thelist] Remote Desktop Client on XP Home? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1776852b792f43f2f685c43101f08276@pmason.karoo.co.uk> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Looks as if the disk image is suffering from the old corrupt meta-data problem that older (OS 8-9) images suffered from; best bet is find the author of the app, or find someone who has the app itself. One other solution is using a resource editor to try and fix the meta-data on the disk image file, but that's a longer shot and involves knowing which one's bust. ;) - -- Wesley Aaron Mason Weblog from nowhere: http://1stvamp.org/ Webcomic from somewhere: http://gfbowl.com/ Public PGP/GPG Key: http://1stvamp.org/stuff/pgp On Jul 7, 2005, at 5:01 am, David Bailey wrote: > Hi Wesley, > > I've tried doing what you have said and also using Interachy and can > now > download an img file. But now I can't open the file! > > When trying to open the file I get VNCTHing.img" failed to mount due to > error 95. (no mountable file systems). > > Any ideas? > > David -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFCzV+h1xRuGo4iYPMRAilXAJwOmTu3XfMqqAjz1aa+an0C/NEWtACcDeOU 5WZ8RgSO27kvOg6+Po8lCGI= =X7hE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mwarden at gmail.com Thu Jul 7 18:02:40 2005 From: mwarden at gmail.com (Matt Warden) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 13:02:40 -0400 Subject: [thelist] date ranges In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mike, On 7/7/05, Mike D. Johnson wrote: > I don't understand what you've recommended but I certainly appreciate > your willingness to help. Let me try to explain my problem better... >=20 > Here is what I have: >=20 > ds is an array that has the start and end dates of a reservation: >=20 > reservationStartDate | reservationEndDate > 7/1/2005 | 7/3/2005 > 7/6/2005 | 7/6/2005 >=20 > What I need is to create a second array (named allDays) that looks like > this: >=20 > 7/1/2005 > 7/2/2005 > 7/3/2005 > 7/6/2005 >=20 > It needs to include all reservationStartDates, all reservationEndDates > and all of the days in between those where applicable My point was that I don't understand why you would want to do this. It is a waste of space, because the ranges already provide exactly this information. It seems like you are doing it in an attempt to make some other part of your programming simpler, but I think this is ill-advised. Anyway, if you want something like this, here's some pseudo code: foreach reservation in ds dBeginRange =3D reservation[0] dEndRange =3D reservation[1] dRanger =3D dBeginRange while dRanger <=3D dEndRange allDays[i] =3D dRanger add 1 day to dRanger add 1 to i end while end foreach The difficult part will be dealing with i, which is why that part is not included. This is especially difficult because you are dealing with VBScript, where you will have to determine the size of the allDays array based on the size of the ranges when you create the array (or else keep ReDim'ing it, which is a performance hog). You might want to take another look at my original reply. If you need help figuring out what it's doing, I can try to put it in more VBScript-like pseudo code. --=20 Matt Warden Miami University Oxford, OH, USA http://mattwarden.com This email proudly and graciously contributes to entropy. From steve at epicunion.com Thu Jul 7 19:46:08 2005 From: steve at epicunion.com (Steve James) Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 11:46:08 -0700 Subject: [thelist] DHTML Question In-Reply-To: <119CE0CB-5517-44D0-BCB8-5C53A5C3D907@geois.de> References: <200507070945156.SM02128@blackshirts> <119CE0CB-5517-44D0-BCB8-5C53A5C3D907@geois.de> Message-ID: <42CD7870.6050601@epicunion.com> I want to make a global change to all divs using javascript, but they don't have ID's (trying to make this XHTML compliant). Is there a way to do something to the affect of: document.div.style.visibility = "hidden"; Thanks so much. --- Steve James Epic Union Designs steve@epicunion.com http://www.epicunion.com "Web design, development, and hosting rolled up into one nifty package!" Epic Union. Stefan Schwarzer wrote: > Great, thanks a lot!!! > > >> Hi Stephan - >> >> I removed the set of
tags in the middle of the code, and added >> a
> clear="all"> at the end, and it might be what you are after. >> >> HTH, >> >> Todd >> >> >>

Endlich unterwegs > h3>> src="C899007769/E20050702135718/Media/DSC_0023_1.jpg" height="250" >> width="379" alt="" />Da sind wir also endlich auch zu dritt mit dem Bus >> unterwegs. Die warmen sommerlichen Temperaturen erlauben der Kleinen >> das >> "Nacktbaden" im Bus. Sie scheint's zu geniessen. >>
>>

>> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: thelist-bounces@lists.evolt.org >> [mailto:thelist-bounces@lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Stefan Schwarzer >> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 2:14 AM >> To: thelist@lists.evolt.org >> Subject: [thelist] CSS to draw box with image inside >> >> Hi, >> >> I have a problem with the CSS. In principal not too difficult, I'd >> thought. >> I just want that some text and an image stays within a box. >> But I don't know why, the photo always "leaves" the (red) box. (see >> screenshot attached) Any idea what I do wrong? >> >> Thanks for your input. >> >> Stef >> >> >> >> img { >> float: right; >> margin-left: 10px; >> margin-bottom: 10px; >> padding: 3px; >> border: 2px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); >> display: inline; >> } >> >> .blogbody { >> font-family: georgia, serif; >> color: #333; >> font-size: 80%; >> font-weight: normal; >> background: #dd9; >> padding: 10px; >> display: block; >> border: 1px solid #f00; >> } >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> -- >> >>
>> >>

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>> > height="250" width="379" alt="" /> Da sind wir >> also endlich auch zu dritt mit dem Bus unterwegs. Die warmen >> sommerlichen >> Temperaturen erlauben der Kleinen das "Nacktbaden" im Bus. Sie >> scheint's >> zu >> geniessen. >>
>> >>
>> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> * * Please support the community that supports you. * * >> http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ >> >> For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester >> and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org >> Workers of the Web, evolt ! >> > From joshua at waetech.com Thu Jul 7 20:49:01 2005 From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 15:49:01 -0400 Subject: [thelist] DHTML Question In-Reply-To: <42CD7870.6050601@epicunion.com> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve James > Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 2:46 PM > > I want to make a global change to all divs using javascript, but they > don't have ID's (trying to make this XHTML compliant). Is > there a way to do something to the affect of: > > document.div.style.visibility = "hidden"; Steve, Have you considered getting an array of all div's on the page using document.getElementByTagName and then iterating through the array using JS? <><><><><><><><><><> Joshua L. Olson WAE Tech Inc. http://www.waetech.com/ Phone: 706.210.0168 Fax: 413.812.4864 Monitor bandwidth usage on IIS6 in real-time: http://www.waetech.com/services/iisbm/ From mwarden at gmail.com Thu Jul 7 20:46:43 2005 From: mwarden at gmail.com (Matt Warden) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 15:46:43 -0400 Subject: [thelist] DHTML Question In-Reply-To: <42CD7870.6050601@epicunion.com> References: <200507070945156.SM02128@blackshirts> <119CE0CB-5517-44D0-BCB8-5C53A5C3D907@geois.de> <42CD7870.6050601@epicunion.com> Message-ID: On 7/7/05, Steve James wrote: > I want to make a global change to all divs using javascript, but they > don't have ID's (trying to make this XHTML compliant). Is there a way to > do something to the affect of: >=20 > document.div.style.visibility =3D "hidden"; var divs =3D document.getElementsByTagName('div'); for (var i=3D0; i Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve James > Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 2:46 PM > > I want to make a global change to all divs using javascript, but they > don't have ID's (trying to make this XHTML compliant). Is > there a way to > do something to the affect of: > > document.div.style.visibility = "hidden"; Steve, In my previous reply I meant "getElementsByTagName", not "getElementByTagName". Elements should be plural. <><><><><><><><><><> Joshua L. Olson WAE Tech Inc. http://www.waetech.com/ Phone: 706.210.0168 Fax: 413.812.4864 Monitor bandwidth usage on IIS6 in real-time: http://www.waetech.com/services/iisbm/ From swehren at gmail.com Thu Jul 7 20:51:57 2005 From: swehren at gmail.com (Scott Wehrenberg) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 14:51:57 -0500 Subject: [thelist] DHTML Question In-Reply-To: <42CD7870.6050601@epicunion.com> References: <200507070945156.SM02128@blackshirts> <119CE0CB-5517-44D0-BCB8-5C53A5C3D907@geois.de> <42CD7870.6050601@epicunion.com> Message-ID: <3fb25225050707125169d77b9d@mail.gmail.com> On 7/7/05, Steve James wrote: > I want to make a global change to all divs using javascript, but they > don't have ID's (trying to make this XHTML compliant). Is there a way to > do something to the affect of: >=20 > document.div.style.visibility =3D "hidden"; >=20 divs =3D document.getElementsByTagName('div'); for(var i in divs) { divs[i].style.visibility =3D 'hidden'; =20 } From mwarden at gmail.com Thu Jul 7 21:44:19 2005 From: mwarden at gmail.com (Matt Warden) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 16:44:19 -0400 Subject: [thelist] DHTML Question In-Reply-To: <3fb25225050707125169d77b9d@mail.gmail.com> References: <200507070945156.SM02128@blackshirts> <119CE0CB-5517-44D0-BCB8-5C53A5C3D907@geois.de> <42CD7870.6050601@epicunion.com> <3fb25225050707125169d77b9d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 7/7/05, Scott Wehrenberg wrote: > On 7/7/05, Steve James wrote: > > I want to make a global change to all divs using javascript, but they > > don't have ID's (trying to make this XHTML compliant). Is there a way t= o > > do something to the affect of: > > > > document.div.style.visibility =3D "hidden"; > > >=20 > divs =3D document.getElementsByTagName('div'); > for(var i in divs) > { > divs[i].style.visibility =3D 'hidden'; > } Careful, there. Your loop isn't going to work like you expect. This is because properties in JS are implemented as an associative array, and they'll end up as keys in your for loop. So, you're going to get a bunch of errors stating that, for example, divs[length] is not an object. See: http://mwarden.f2o.org/sandbox/jsforeachtest.htm --=20 Matt Warden Miami University Oxford, OH, USA http://mattwarden.com This email proudly and graciously contributes to entropy. From shelley at shelleysimpson.co.nz Thu Jul 7 22:43:01 2005 From: shelley at shelleysimpson.co.nz (Shelley Simpson) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 09:43:01 +1200 Subject: [thelist] CSS drop down menus Message-ID: <172A2C57-EF30-11D9-AE91-0003931CD202@shelleysimpson.co.nz> I am currently researching the most compatible, compliant method of creating drop down menus. Does anyone have one that they would recommend? I would prefer to use as little Javascript as possible. From raanders at mailporter.net Thu Jul 7 23:49:07 2005 From: raanders at mailporter.net (raanders@mailporter.net) Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 15:49:07 -0700 Subject: [thelist] CSS drop down menus In-Reply-To: <172A2C57-EF30-11D9-AE91-0003931CD202@shelleysimpson.co.nz> References: <172A2C57-EF30-11D9-AE91-0003931CD202@shelleysimpson.co.nz> Message-ID: <42CDB163.9060806@mailporter.net> Shelley Simpson wrote: > I am currently researching the most compatible, compliant method of > creating drop down menus. Does anyone have one that they would > recommend? I would prefer to use as little Javascript as possible. http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/css/edge/menus/demo.html This might be a starting point. I have as yet to do any serious css menus as the web developer I work with _really_ likes Dreamweaver and its tables for layout and spacer.gif. Rod -- --- [Certified Virus free by MailPorter Mail Services. www.MailPorter.com ] From Ken at adOpenStatic.com Fri Jul 8 03:37:36 2005 From: Ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 12:37:36 +1000 Subject: [thelist] Hardware and Software pricing Message-ID: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E6914BCE3@kjserver1.kjhome.local> Hi, SQL Server licensing is covered on this page here: http://www.microsoft.com/sql/howtobuy/ I think it is reasonably clear what your options are WRT to buying SQL = Server licences. If you buy a per-proc license you do not need any client = licenses. The other option to look at is MSDE (which is free of licensing costs) = if you do not need the full-blown SQL Server. The prices on that pages are RRP only, and will vary somewhat if you = shop around. Lastly, Microsoft has licensing specialists at each of their major = offices. You can always call to get a definitive answer. Cheers Ken -- www.adOpenStatic.com/cs/blogs/ken/=20 : -----Original Message----- : From: thelist-bounces@lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist- : bounces@lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Donny Morris : Sent: Thursday, 7 July 2005 11:03 PM : To: thelist@lists.evolt.org : Subject: [thelist] Hardware and Software pricing :=20 : I'm putting together a ballpark type of quote for some people in my : company. The quote is based on the "recommendations" by the software : company that is writting the software. The reason for the ballpark : quote is so that those that need it can determine if the ROI will : work. Now I have gathered several quotes on the specified hardware : and software that is needed. What I am looking for is some idea of : how different parts of the software license play out. For example : MSSQL pricing is based on processor, however there is also a client : license. Now this is a server that will be basically only accessed : via a web interface and some messaging back and forth. So do I need : alot of user/client licenses? As you can tell I'm not very good with : the software part of pricing. And if you pay the per processor fee do : you have to pay the user/client license fee? From morrison.ben at gmail.com Fri Jul 8 09:40:36 2005 From: morrison.ben at gmail.com (ben morrison) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 09:40:36 +0100 Subject: [thelist] CSS drop down menus In-Reply-To: <172A2C57-EF30-11D9-AE91-0003931CD202@shelleysimpson.co.nz> References: <172A2C57-EF30-11D9-AE91-0003931CD202@shelleysimpson.co.nz> Message-ID: <6073aef905070801407b0e58ac@mail.gmail.com> On 7/7/05, Shelley Simpson wrote: > I am currently researching the most compatible, compliant method of > creating drop down menus. Does anyone have one that they would > recommend? I would prefer to use as little Javascript as possible. You could take a look at 'son of suckerfish' http://www.htmldog.com/articles/suckerfish/dropdowns/ ben From dab.hand at xtra.co.nz Fri Jul 8 09:50:32 2005 From: dab.hand at xtra.co.nz (David Bailey) Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 20:50:32 +1200 Subject: [thelist] Remote Desktop Client on XP Home? (VNCThing for MacOS9) In-Reply-To: <1776852b792f43f2f685c43101f08276@pmason.karoo.co.uk> Message-ID: Thanks Wesley. I'm not that adept at playing around with files at that level. I'll have to try and find the author or owner of the site somehow, unless someone has a copy, as you say. Thanks again, David PS. Sorry for hijacking the topic! I think it's finished now anyway. On 8/7/05 5:00 AM, "Wesley Aaron Mason" wrote: > Looks as if the disk image is suffering from the old corrupt meta-data > problem that older (OS 8-9) images suffered from; best bet is find the > author of the app, or find someone who has the app itself. One other > solution is using a resource editor to try and fix the meta-data on the > disk image file, but that's a longer shot and involves knowing which > one's bust. ;) > On Jul 7, 2005, at 5:01 am, David Bailey wrote: > >> Hi Wesley, >> >> I've tried doing what you have said and also using Interachy and can >> now >> download an img file. But now I can't open the file! >> >> When trying to open the file I get VNCTHing.img" failed to mount due to >> error 95. (no mountable file systems). >> >> Any ideas? >> >> David From codepo8 at gmail.com Fri Jul 8 10:08:08 2005 From: codepo8 at gmail.com (Christian Heilmann) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 10:08:08 +0100 Subject: [thelist] CSS drop down menus In-Reply-To: <6073aef905070801407b0e58ac@mail.gmail.com> References: <172A2C57-EF30-11D9-AE91-0003931CD202@shelleysimpson.co.nz> <6073aef905070801407b0e58ac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <30bd6ffd05070802085361687b@mail.gmail.com> > > I am currently researching the most compatible, compliant method of > > creating drop down menus. Does anyone have one that they would > > recommend? I would prefer to use as little Javascript as possible. >=20 > You could take a look at 'son of suckerfish' >=20 > http://www.htmldog.com/articles/suckerfish/dropdowns/ Suckerfish is a very elegant technical solution, however, before using dropdowns there are some things to consider in terms of accessibility / usability: 1) Most CSS only dropdown navigations are not keyboard accessible - some are but only on non-mainstream browsers 2) A lot of dropdowns are too fast in hiding the elements, which means that a visitor with bad hand-eye coordination will get really frustrated when you hide and show on hover rather than onclick. 3) When you use dropdown navigations you assume the visitor has enough screen estate to show them all, she might not and lose the navigation when scrolling the viewport 4) With multi level dropdowns there is no "you are here" state, the visitor will need to go through all levels on every page 5) Without CSS and/or without JavaScript, the visitor will get a lot of links not related to the current section. This might confuse and can be annoying if you are only using a keyboard, as you have to tab through the lot of them. Just something to think about. --=20 Chris Heilmann=20 Blog: http://www.wait-till-i.com Writing: http://icant.co.uk/ =20 Binaries: http://www.onlinetools.org/ From dan.mccullough at gmail.com Fri Jul 8 13:57:06 2005 From: dan.mccullough at gmail.com (Dan McCullough) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 08:57:06 -0400 Subject: [thelist] Hardware and Software pricing In-Reply-To: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E6914BCE3@kjserver1.kjhome.local> References: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E6914BCE3@kjserver1.kjhome.local> Message-ID: Also if you are talking with vendors like CDW, HP and Dell they have their own pricing and their consulting groups include specialist, so why not make them do the work for ya. On 7/7/05, Ken Schaefer wrote: > Hi, >=20 > SQL Server licensing is covered on this page here: > http://www.microsoft.com/sql/howtobuy/ >=20 > I think it is reasonably clear what your options are WRT to buying SQL Se= rver > licences. If you buy a per-proc license you do not need any client licens= es. >=20 > The other option to look at is MSDE (which is free of licensing costs) if= you > do not need the full-blown SQL Server. >=20 > The prices on that pages are RRP only, and will vary somewhat if you shop > around. >=20 > Lastly, Microsoft has licensing specialists at each of their major office= s. > You can always call to get a definitive answer. >=20 > Cheers > Ken >=20 > -- > www.adOpenStatic.com/cs/blogs/ken/ >=20 > : -----Original Message----- > : From: thelist-bounces@lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist- > : bounces@lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Donny Morris > : Sent: Thursday, 7 July 2005 11:03 PM > : To: thelist@lists.evolt.org > : Subject: [thelist] Hardware and Software pricing > : > : I'm putting together a ballpark type of quote for some people in my > : company. The quote is based on the "recommendations" by the software > : company that is writting the software. The reason for the ballpark > : quote is so that those that need it can determine if the ROI will > : work. Now I have gathered several quotes on the specified hardware > : and software that is needed. What I am looking for is some idea of > : how different parts of the software license play out. For example > : MSSQL pricing is based on processor, however there is also a client > : license. Now this is a server that will be basically only accessed > : via a web interface and some messaging back and forth. So do I need > : alot of user/client licenses? As you can tell I'm not very good with > : the software part of pricing. And if you pay the per processor fee do > : you have to pay the user/client license fee? >=20 > -- >=20 > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ >=20 > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! >=20 --=20 = Get Firefox! From evolt at roselli.org Fri Jul 8 14:00:56 2005 From: evolt at roselli.org (aardvark) Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 09:00:56 -0400 Subject: [thelist] CSS drop down menus In-Reply-To: <30bd6ffd05070802085361687b@mail.gmail.com> References: <6073aef905070801407b0e58ac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42CE40C8.10258.E9223E8@localhost> On 8 Jul 2005 at 10:08, Christian Heilmann wrote: [...] > 1) Most CSS only dropdown navigations are not keyboard accessible - > some are but only on non-mainstream browsers > 2) A lot of dropdowns are too fast in hiding the elements, which means > that a visitor with bad hand-eye coordination will get really > frustrated when you hide and show on hover rather than onclick. > 3) When you use dropdown navigations you assume the visitor has enough > screen estate to show them all, she might not and lose the navigation > when scrolling the viewport > 4) With multi level dropdowns there is no "you are here" state, the > visitor will need to go through all levels on every page > 5) Without CSS and/or without JavaScript, the visitor will get a lot > of links not related to the current section. This might confuse and > can be annoying if you are only using a keyboard, as you have to tab > through the lot of them. chris, all *very* valid points, and a big reason why i've recommended against them for years... however, we have updated our company site with a refined version of the son of suckerfish that addresses some of these points -- what better way to test them than in real life? http://algonquinstudios.com/ the revised version i've created addresses some of your points: 1. while it uses more JS to do it, it is at least keyboard accessible in IE5+... 2. we use onhover, and yes, it is still too easy to lose the menu... but with larger hit areas, a longer delay before hiding, and clearer icons for submenus, we've at least started to address some of these... 3. we have integrated the menus into our content management system (QuantumCMS)... the author can control how many levels of menu are displayed, as well as how many items are in each level (which then links to the section with the text "XX more items...)... this can help to ensure the menus aren't too big to be useful... 4. we still provide our traditional secondary navigation, plus "skip navigation" links... in addition, we have added a style to highlight the current page in the flyout list... 5. absolutely still an issue, which is why we have a "skip navigation" link before the list... additionally, the CMS reads the length of each top-level item and chooses different classes to control the width so that text doesn't get clipped in what would otherwise be set-width boxes... no, it's not perfect, but with these kinds of refinements, it gets *so* much closer than the old days of DHTML menus... go steal the code... From oktellme at earthlink.net Fri Jul 8 16:18:07 2005 From: oktellme at earthlink.net (Lightning) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 11:18:07 -0400 Subject: [thelist] internet on a laptop References: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E6914BCE3@kjserver1.kjhome.local> Message-ID: <009101c583d0$3efcd380$a6a49318@cucciwb.int> I am tired of going places, and finding I cannot hook up to an internet. I've bought all the right equipment to be compatible with every environment. But often I run into security stops. The host can't or won't let me hook my computer to their system. Now I am looking into a wireless solution. I find I don't even know the vocabulary to search the web! Can someone tell me what service and what equipment I need to know about? What urls might clarify this for me? Do I keep my home-based provider(Comcast), or will I replace my provider? Also, can I assume any such solution also comes with a phone? thanks Laura From morrison.ben at gmail.com Fri Jul 8 16:38:37 2005 From: morrison.ben at gmail.com (ben morrison) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 16:38:37 +0100 Subject: [thelist] Job vacancy, London Message-ID: <6073aef9050708083849158b8@mail.gmail.com> My company are currently looking to fill a position for a head of developme= nt. required skills: # An excellent command of .NET(C#), ASP, VB, Microsoft SQL Server, XML, XSLT, XHTML, JavaScript, IIS. # 5+ years of experience working on web based applications. # 2+ years of experience managing a team of developers. more info: http://www.poptech.coop/Templates/Internal.asp?NodeID=3D89227 ben From dan.mccullough at gmail.com Fri Jul 8 16:52:39 2005 From: dan.mccullough at gmail.com (Dan McCullough) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 11:52:39 -0400 Subject: [thelist] internet on a laptop In-Reply-To: <009101c583d0$3efcd380$a6a49318@cucciwb.int> References: <160489103479AB4892187638EE7D1E6914BCE3@kjserver1.kjhome.local> <009101c583d0$3efcd380$a6a49318@cucciwb.int> Message-ID: Comcast has a nice cable modem hookup. Most hotels now-a-days have wireless or some sort of free internet connection for your laptop.=20 However you will need to have a wireless card or ethernet connection to use their system. Most businesses will expect you to pay and other then "hot-spots" will expect you to use their equiptment. Vocabulary to use. wireless, hot-spot, dsl, cable modem, ethernet, broadband, cyber cafe. On 7/8/05, Lightning wrote: > I am tired of going places, and finding I cannot hook up to an internet. >=20 > I've bought all the right equipment to be compatible with every environme= nt. > But often I run into security stops. The host can't or won't let me hook = my > computer to their system. >=20 > Now I am looking into a wireless solution. >=20 > I find I don't even know the vocabulary to search the web! >=20 > Can someone tell me what service and what equipment I need to know about? > What urls might clarify this for me? >=20 > Do I keep my home-based provider(Comcast), or will I replace my provider? >=20 > Also, can I assume any such solution also comes with a phone? >=20 > thanks > Laura >=20 > -- >=20 > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ >=20 > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! >=20 --=20 = Get Firefox! From todd at promisingsites.com Fri Jul 8 16:51:46 2005 From: todd at promisingsites.com (Todd Richards) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 10:51:46 -0500 Subject: [thelist] internet on a laptop In-Reply-To: <009101c583d0$3efcd380$a6a49318@cucciwb.int> Message-ID: <200507081053921.SM02128@blackshirts> Hi Laura - I did a Google for "wireless internet providers" and it came up with some decent leads. Most of the major mobile phone carriers provide this feature, and no - it doesn't come with a phone. It is a completely separate service. There might be options to plug the laptop into a phone and use the phone's signal, but most have a separate card with an antenna that goes directly into the PCI-slot on your laptop. From what I have seen (haven't researched fully) it is still a bit expensive (for me anyway). Depending on the plan you get, it may be a replacement for your home provider, but it depends on if you have other computers in your home, your location, etc. Todd -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces@lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces@lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Lightning Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 10:18 AM To: thelist@lists.evolt.org Subject: [thelist] internet on a laptop I am tired of going places, and finding I cannot hook up to an internet. I've bought all the right equipment to be compatible with every environment. But often I run into security stops. The host can't or won't let me hook my computer to their system. Now I am looking into a wireless solution. I find I don't even know the vocabulary to search the web! Can someone tell me what service and what equipment I need to know about? What urls might clarify this for me? Do I keep my home-based provider(Comcast), or will I replace my provider? Also, can I assume any such solution also comes with a phone? thanks Laura -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From thelist at summit7solutions.com Fri Jul 8 16:59:40 2005 From: thelist at summit7solutions.com (Jeff Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 11:59:40 -0400 Subject: [thelist] internet on a laptop In-Reply-To: <009101c583d0$3efcd380$a6a49318@cucciwb.int> Message-ID: When I'm mobile I use SprintPCS' data network to stay connected. You can get a PCMCIA card for a laptop, although I connect via Bluetooth to my Treo 650. Both work well. Not the fastest currently, but with the EV-DO upgrades in progress now, speeds will be rising quickly. Jeff ----Original Message---- From: thelist-bounces@lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces@lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Lightning Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 11:18 AM To: thelist@lists.evolt.org Subject: [thelist] internet on a laptop > I am tired of going places, and finding I cannot hook up > to an internet. > > I've bought all the right equipment to be compatible with > every environment. > But often I run into security stops. The host can't or > won't let me hook my computer to their system. > > Now I am looking into a wireless solution. > > I find I don't even know the vocabulary to search the web! > > Can someone tell me what service and what equipment I > need to know about? > What urls might clarify this for me? > > Do I keep my home-based provider(Comcast), or will I > replace my provider? > > Also, can I assume any such solution also comes with a > phone? > > thanks > Laura From webguync at gmail.com Fri Jul 8 18:07:12 2005 From: webguync at gmail.com (Bruce Gilbert) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 13:07:12 -0400 Subject: [thelist] designing pages for handheld devices Message-ID: <463b785d05070810071b68126@mail.gmail.com> Other than the obvious such as XHTML compliance and fast loading pages with minimal images, proper structured mark-up etc., what other ways should you design your web pages in order for them to work well with hand held devices such as cell phones, PDA's etc.? Any thing special??? thanks, --=20 ::Bruce:: From vaspersthegrate at yahoo.com Fri Jul 8 18:43:37 2005 From: vaspersthegrate at yahoo.com (Steven Streight) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 10:43:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [thelist] RE: browser displays code, not site Message-ID: <20050708174337.62873.qmail@web53503.mail.yahoo.com> This is too weird for me to figure out. What would cause a blog, right after you published a new post, to suddenly display only a screenfull of template code, CSS, at a seemingly arbitrary point in the template (not the top)? The blog is not being rendered by Firefox. I'll go check IE and maybe Netscape. But is this a blog publishing error by me, or a server error, or a browser glitch, or....? Look at Blog Core Values, which should display a new post "How to be controversial without really trying". http://www.blogcorevalues.blogspot.com Thanks very much. Steven Streight "The blog revolution has not been tel-advised." http://www.vaspersthegrate.blogspot.com http://www.blogcorevalues.blogspot.com http://www.websforworldprogress.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________ Sell on Yahoo! Auctions – no fees. Bid on great items. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From Brian at hondaswap.com Fri Jul 8 19:10:49 2005 From: Brian at hondaswap.com (Brian Cummiskey) Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 14:10:49 -0400 Subject: [thelist] RE: browser displays code, not site In-Reply-To: <20050708174337.62873.qmail@web53503.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050708174337.62873.qmail@web53503.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42CEC1A9.6010300@hondaswap.com> Steven Streight wrote: > > The blog is not being rendered by Firefox. I'll go > check IE and maybe Netscape. looks fine in FF 1.0.4 to me... From manuel.gonzalez.noriega at gmail.com Fri Jul 8 19:17:53 2005 From: manuel.gonzalez.noriega at gmail.com (manuel.gonzalez.noriega@gmail.com) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 20:17:53 +0200 Subject: [thelist] RE: browser displays code, not site In-Reply-To: <20050708174337.62873.qmail@web53503.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050708174337.62873.qmail@web53503.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 7/8/05, Steven Streight wrote: >=20 > This is too weird for me to figure out. >=20 > What would cause a blog, right after you published a > new post, to suddenly display only a screenfull of > template code, CSS, at a seemingly arbitrary point in > the template (not the top)? Steven, it's working flawlessly here (FF 1.0.4, OSX 10.1.3) --=20 Manuel=20 a veces :) a veces :(=20 pero siempre trabajando duro para Simplel=F3gica: apariencia, experiencia y= =20 comunicaci=F3n en la web. http://simplelogica.net # (+34) 985 22 12 65 =A1Ah! y escribiendo en Logicola: http://simplelogica.net/logicola/ From lists at neptunewebworks.com Fri Jul 8 19:27:33 2005 From: lists at neptunewebworks.com (Maximillian Schwanekamp) Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 11:27:33 -0700 Subject: [thelist] RE: browser displays code, not site In-Reply-To: <20050708174337.62873.qmail@web53503.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050708174337.62873.qmail@web53503.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42CEC595.6040200@neptunewebworks.com> Steven Streight wrote: > What would cause a blog, right after you published a > new post, to suddenly display only a screenfull of > template code, CSS, at a seemingly arbitrary point in > the template (not the top)? > http://www.blogcorevalues.blogspot.com Looks OK to me. Perhaps blogspot had an error and served the document as text/plain rather than text/html. I hit refresh a few times, still rendered OK, although I certainly wonder WTF is up with the markup like this excerpt:




How to be controversial without really trying is easy.

Finding topics to write posts about is easy.

Might as well be served as plain text with that kind of markup. -- Max Schwanekamp http://www.neptunewebworks.com/ From oktellme at earthlink.net Fri Jul 8 19:33:24 2005 From: oktellme at earthlink.net (Lightning) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 14:33:24 -0400 Subject: [thelist] internet on a laptop References: <200507081403.1dQXc977D3Nl3490@mx-nebolish.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <015301c583eb$86ac01e0$a6a49318@cucciwb.int> Thanks to the guys that answered. I got enough information I can surf the web and get my questions answered. So far, Sprint looks the best, but I will do more of research before I make a decision. Laura ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Wilhelm" To: Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 11:59 AM Subject: RE: [thelist] internet on a laptop > When I'm mobile I use SprintPCS' data network to stay connected. You can get > a PCMCIA card for a laptop, although I connect via Bluetooth to my Treo 650. > Both work well. Not the fastest currently, but with the EV-DO upgrades in > progress now, speeds will be rising quickly. > > Jeff > > > > ----Original Message---- > From: thelist-bounces@lists.evolt.org > [mailto:thelist-bounces@lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of > Lightning Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 11:18 AM To: > thelist@lists.evolt.org Subject: [thelist] internet on a > laptop > > > I am tired of going places, and finding I cannot hook up > > to an internet. > > > > I've bought all the right equipment to be compatible with > > every environment. > > But often I run into security stops. The host can't or > > won't let me hook my computer to their system. > > > > Now I am looking into a wireless solution. > > > > I find I don't even know the vocabulary to search the web! > > > > Can someone tell me what service and what equipment I > > need to know about? > > What urls might clarify this for me? > > > > Do I keep my home-based provider(Comcast), or will I > > replace my provider? > > > > Also, can I assume any such solution also comes with a > > phone? > > > > thanks > > Laura > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! From tanner.burson at gmail.com Fri Jul 8 19:58:04 2005 From: tanner.burson at gmail.com (Tanner Burson) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 13:58:04 -0500 Subject: [thelist] IE CSS Troubles...surprise...surprise... Message-ID: Hello all, I'm a long-time lurker who has finally gotten back into some light web-development. It's been quite a while since I've dealt with browser inconsistencies in rendering CSS. I've begun development of a simple XHTML 1.1 / CSS standards compliant site. As expected it renders almost flawlessly in Firefox/Safari/etc, but fails terribly in IE. If anyone could take a look and see what I'm doing that IE hates so much, it would be much appreciated. Thanks, http://tanner.is-a-geek.net:8080/newsite --=20 =3D=3D=3DTanner Burson=3D=3D=3D tanner.burson@gmail.com http://tannerburson.com <---Might even work one day... From jeff at jeffhowden.com Sat Jul 9 00:12:15 2005 From: jeff at jeffhowden.com (Jeff Howden) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 16:12:15 -0700 Subject: [thelist] IE CSS Troubles...surprise...surprise... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050708221018.1017.19666@hm-pop3.solinus.com> Tanner, ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > From: Tanner Burson > > http://tanner.is-a-geek.net:8080/newsite ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< Drop all use of ">" in your CSS unless it's absolutely needed and everything should get much better in IE. [>] Jeff Howden jeff@jeffhowden.com http://jeffhowden.com/ From and-evolt at doxdesk.com Sat Jul 9 00:27:10 2005 From: and-evolt at doxdesk.com (Andrew Clover) Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 01:27:10 +0200 Subject: [thelist] IE CSS Troubles...surprise...surprise... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42CF0BCE.2040604@doxdesk.com> Tanner Burson wrote: > I've begun development of a simple XHTML 1.1 / CSS > standards compliant site. You might want to reconsider using XHTML 1.1. For general web site purposes there is little current benefit over XHTML 1.0 Strict, and it brings a few things that might trip you up. The standard in particular says you should serve it as MIME type application/xhtml+xml, *not* text/html. XHTML 1.0 is slightly more lenient on this matter. If you are aware of the issues 'real XML mode' brings with it you could serve it with a server-side Accept-sniffer to allow for IE. Just putting the XML MIME type in a *does not* trigger XML parsing - for one, because the browser would have to decide which way to parse elements before it gets to the element. Mozilla et all will still parse this as legacy HTML which is what your server is saying it is. XHTML 1.1 is an interesting thing for standards junkies to play with, and is the basis for various mobile standards, but there's little need to use it for general websites at the moment IMO, and nobody really is. > fails terribly in IE. It doesn't look so bad, but looking at the CSS you're using a lot of child selectors ('>') which are never going to work on IE. The adjacent selector '+' isn't supported either. Neither is the 'min-height' property, and numeric font-weights are generally best avoided - they are buggy in some browsers and even in those where they work you don't get any more control over weight than simple 'bold'/'normal'. (This is typically because OS font managers are too dumb to know about any other weight relations between fonts.) The other layout differences are likely caused by IE misinterpretation of the top and bottom margin collapsing rules (which are admittedly bizarre to start with even before IE mangles them). You could try to avoid leaving spare margin at the top and bottom of formatted blocks, to stop IE getting it wrong, or just generally use padding instead of vertical margins where possible. -- Andrew Clover mailto:and@doxdesk.com http://www.doxdesk.com/ From april at farstrider.org Sat Jul 9 10:50:39 2005 From: april at farstrider.org (April) Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 02:50:39 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Mimicing a "normal" directory structure with mod_rewrite Message-ID: <42CF9DEF.2090409@farstrider.org> Hello all, hope you're having a good day. I think what I have is a regex question here I want to use mod_rewrite in a web directory so I can mimic a natural directory structure like category/subcategory/subcategory/ while overlaying one file like categories.php. I'm fine just doing category/, but I can't figure out how to deal with the /'s between subcategories and the fact that they might or might not be there. IE I can do: RewriteRule ^dir/([A-Za-z]+)$ category_view.php?cat=$1 but I can't figure out how to adjust it to deal with a url like: http://domain.com/dir/Games/Flash/Free Any help or pointers in the right direction would be greatly appreciated. From itsallaboutashlee at yahoo.co.uk Sat Jul 9 14:43:07 2005 From: itsallaboutashlee at yahoo.co.uk (Dave Stevens) Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 14:43:07 +0100 Subject: [thelist] Mimicing a "normal" directory structure with mod_rewrite In-Reply-To: <42CF9DEF.2090409@farstrider.org> References: <42CF9DEF.2090409@farstrider.org> Message-ID: <42CFD46B.70005@yahoo.co.uk> April wrote: > I want to use mod_rewrite in a web directory so I can mimic a natural > directory structure like category/subcategory/subcategory/ while > overlaying one file like categories.php. Hi April, I found mod_rewrite a little tricky to get my head around but stumbled across a way of achieving this using Apache's ForceType directive, after finding this article: http://www.sitepoint.com/article/search-engine-friendly-urls/3 I managed to get that working without much difficulty. If you did want to use mod_rewrite, there is a good tutorial here: http://www.devshed.com/c/a/Apache/Search-Engine-Friendly-URLs-with-mod-rewrite/ that I would have benefited from had I found it earlier! Cheers Dave ___________________________________________________________ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com From thelist at meidomus.com Sat Jul 9 15:26:37 2005 From: thelist at meidomus.com (Burhan Khalid) Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 17:26:37 +0300 Subject: [thelist] Mimicing a "normal" directory structure with mod_rewrite In-Reply-To: <42CFD46B.70005@yahoo.co.uk> References: <42CF9DEF.2090409@farstrider.org> <42CFD46B.70005@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: <42CFDE9D.1050602@meidomus.com> Dave Stevens wrote: > April wrote: > >> I want to use mod_rewrite in a web directory so I can mimic a natural >> directory structure like category/subcategory/subcategory/ while >> overlaying one file like categories.php. > > > > Hi April, > > I found mod_rewrite a little tricky to get my head around but stumbled > across a way of achieving this using Apache's ForceType directive, after > finding this article: > > http://www.sitepoint.com/article/search-engine-friendly-urls/3 > > I managed to get that working without much difficulty. > > If you did want to use mod_rewrite, there is a good tutorial here: > > http://www.devshed.com/c/a/Apache/Search-Engine-Friendly-URLs-with-mod-rewrite/ There is also one on evolt.org if I remember correctly. From joshua at waetech.com Sat Jul 9 15:26:05 2005 From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 10:26:05 -0400 Subject: [thelist] Mimicing a "normal" directory structure with mod_rewrite In-Reply-To: <42CF9DEF.2090409@farstrider.org> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: April > Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 5:51 AM > > I want to use mod_rewrite in a web directory so I can mimic a natural > directory structure like category/subcategory/subcategory/ while > overlaying one file like categories.php. I'm fine just doing > category/, > but I can't figure out how to deal with the /'s between subcategories > and the fact that they might or might not be there. IE I can do: > RewriteRule ^dir/([A-Za-z]+)$ category_view.php?cat=$1 > but I can't figure out how to adjust it to deal with a url like: > http://domain.com/dir/Games/Flash/Free April, While this doesn't directly relate to mod_rewrite, I believe the syntax is very similar. So, perhaps this will help: http://www.waetech.com/tidbits/isapi_rewrite/ Swap out the ([\d]+) for ([A-Za-z]+) and you should be on the right track. Also, be advised that if you add the ignore case flag then you could simplify it to ([A-Z]+) <><><><><><><><><><> Joshua L. Olson WAE Tech Inc. http://www.waetech.com/ Phone: 706.210.0168 Fax: 413.812.4864 Monitor bandwidth usage on IIS6 in real-time: http://www.waetech.com/services/iisbm/ From bj at kickasswebdesign.com Sat Jul 9 15:36:57 2005 From: bj at kickasswebdesign.com (BJ) Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 10:36:57 -0400 Subject: [thelist] CSS drop down menus Message-ID: <42CFE109.6080701@kickasswebdesign.com> "I am currently researching the most compatible, compliant method of creating drop down menus." These are the two I like, easier to set up, get working and position than suckerfish or son of suckerfish, and they both use conditional comments and an htc file to feed IE what it needs to make them work, while not needing any of the jscript in any other browser. -- Ciao for Now, bj http://kickasswebdesign.com devblog: http://kickasswebdesign.com/wordpress/ "To err is human - and to blame it on a computer is even more so." Robert Orben --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound says I'm squeaky clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0527-2, 07/08/2005 Tested on: 7/9/2005 10:36:59 AM From mwarden at gmail.com Sat Jul 9 15:56:43 2005 From: mwarden at gmail.com (Matt Warden) Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 10:56:43 -0400 Subject: [thelist] Mimicing a "normal" directory structure with mod_rewrite In-Reply-To: <42CF9DEF.2090409@farstrider.org> References: <42CF9DEF.2090409@farstrider.org> Message-ID: <42CFE5AB.8090806@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 April wrote: > overlaying one file like categories.php. I'm fine just doing category/, > but I can't figure out how to deal with the /'s between subcategories > and the fact that they might or might not be there. IE I can do: > RewriteRule ^dir/([A-Za-z]+)$ category_view.php?cat=$1 > but I can't figure out how to adjust it to deal with a url like: > http://domain.com/dir/Games/Flash/Free I'm not sure what you mean when you say they might or might not be there. The slashes? Or the entire sub category? I'm going to go with slashes, because I don't want to put a lot work into the latter if that's not what you want. To match http://domain.com/dir/Games/Flash/Free and http://domain.com/dir/Games/Flash/Free/ RewriteRule ^dir/([a-z]+)/[a-z]+/[a-z]+/? category_view.php?cat=$1 [NC,L] Note the ? quantifier at the end. http://www.regular-expressions.info/optional.html It really isn't necessary to pass variables into the querystring like that, unless you are working on existing code that you don't want to break. The original request URI is available in the REQUEST_URI server variable, so you have access to all this information already by simply passing the request to category_view.php: RewriteRule ^dir/[a-z]+/[a-z]+/[a-z]+/? category_view.php [NC,L] (REQUEST_URI within category_view.php would be /dir/Games/Flash/Free) - -- Matt Warden Miami University Oxford, OH, USA http://mattwarden.com This email proudly and graciously contributes to entropy. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCz+WrAQ0d4HGyPE8RAnTsAJ9U+CX6IRw7fVYBbb9dxUb5DSv8AwCfTDi1 Ht2sApNPxwoIVq/oeDZkKLk= =lJD/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From russ at unrealisticexpectations.com Sat Jul 9 16:48:39 2005 From: russ at unrealisticexpectations.com (Russ) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 10:48:39 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Autorun for "hybrid" CD (Mac & PC) In-Reply-To: <42CFE5AB.8090806@gmail.com> Message-ID: <013d01c5849d$ad96a4b0$6701a8c0@autolycus> Hello, I'm guessing I'm not the first to ask this (and probably not the last, either). I've seen a number of different threads but none of them seemed to provide me what I'm looking for and most seemed to be from 2001 so I'm sure some things have changed a bit. I know I can handle the "autorun" on a PC, however on the Mac side, I'm a little lost. Can anyone recommend a product or a method that I can utilize to auto-launch a Flash file upon insertion of a CD into a Mac? Thanks, Russ From so.there at showtunepink.com Sat Jul 9 19:16:13 2005 From: so.there at showtunepink.com (J.D. Welch) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 11:16:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [thelist] Autorun for "hybrid" CD (Mac & PC) In-Reply-To: <013d01c5849d$ad96a4b0$6701a8c0@autolycus> Message-ID: on 9 Jul Russ wrote: [...] R >I'm sure some things have changed a bit. not really, no. there isn't much to revise. R >I know I can handle the "autorun" on a PC, however on the Mac side, R >I'm a little lost. the concept doesn't exist on the Mac. it sort of did before OS X, but the functionality has been dropped in all form since then. (as it should be for windows, or at least disabled by default) R >Can anyone recommend a product or a method that I can utilize to R >auto-launch a Flash file upon insertion of a CD into a Mac? put the file, with an obvious name (even like "click here to start.swf"), in the top directory of the cd. people will find it just fine. -jd ------------------------------------------------------------------ J.D. Welch | so (dot) there (@) showtunepink (.) com graphic designer | http://www.showtunepink.com web monkey | http://kitschparade.ath.cx ------------------------------------------------------------------ From lcarlson at d.umn.edu Sat Jul 9 22:10:38 2005 From: lcarlson at d.umn.edu (Laura Carlson) Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 14:10:38 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Re: CSS drop down menus In-Reply-To: <200507091415.j69EF8CD003920@mx4.d.umn.edu> Message-ID: <4226741730.1120918238@dial34-85.d.umn.edu> Some related drop-down references: http://www.d.umn.edu/goto/navigation#menus Laura ___________________________________________ Laura L. Carlson Information Technology Systems and Services University of Minnesota Duluth Duluth, MN 55812-3009 http://www.d.umn.edu/goto/webdesign/ From april at farstrider.org Sun Jul 10 02:36:32 2005 From: april at farstrider.org (April) Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 18:36:32 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Mimicing a "normal" directory structure with mod_rewrite In-Reply-To: <42CFD46B.70005@yahoo.co.uk> References: <42CF9DEF.2090409@farstrider.org> <42CFD46B.70005@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: <42D07BA0.3070002@farstrider.org> Thank you. ForceType was exactly what I needed. Thanks to everyone who offered good advice. Dave Stevens wrote: > April wrote: > >> I want to use mod_rewrite in a web directory so I can mimic a natural >> directory structure like category/subcategory/subcategory/ while >> overlaying one file like categories.php. > > > > Hi April, > > I found mod_rewrite a little tricky to get my head around but stumbled > across a way of achieving this using Apache's ForceType directive, after > finding this article: > > http://www.sitepoint.com/article/search-engine-friendly-urls/3 > > I managed to get that working without much difficulty. > > If you did want to use mod_rewrite, there is a good tutorial here: > > http://www.devshed.com/c/a/Apache/Search-Engine-Friendly-URLs-with-mod-rewrite/ > > > that I would have benefited from had I found it earlier! > > Cheers > Dave > > > ___________________________________________________________ How much > free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with > Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com From rogerharness at sbcglobal.net Sun Jul 10 08:13:21 2005 From: rogerharness at sbcglobal.net (Roger H.) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 00:13:21 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Dreamweaver site (template?) Message-ID: Hello 'volters, I'm at relatively good HTML'r, an alright CCS'r, and I guess a so-so php/MySQL/SSI'r. But apparently I'm pretty lame with Dreamweaver. One of the reasons I was hired at my current job was my supposed computer/web skills. The person who is in charge of our intranet site, got handed the site with a few instructions, and has basically had to learn 'web design' on the fly. While she's not yet creating masterpieces, she's doing a heck of a job all things considered. She's asked me to help her with a problem on the site. There is a left-hand navigation system that seems to be contained in a template. She can "apparently" get in there and change the nav template, but when she 'puts' it up to the server, it wont show up when you view the site with a browser. I feel so stupid that I can't figure out how to fix her problem. I've tried googling the issue, and read stuff like emptying the cache, be sure you are put'ing up the correct file, make sure our 'definitions' (?) are correct, etc...but still no luck. I don't yet have access to the server, so I can't even get in there and experiment, or try things on my own. Does anybody have any advice/tips/suggestions for now? We will be taking a Dreamweaver class ASAP, but again, I sure would love to be able to fix this. I look at the code, but its mainly <--begin dreamweaver template...blah blah blah--> stuff. As always, any help would be *greatly* appreciated! Thank you, -Roger Harness -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.11/44 - Release Date: 7/8/2005 From april at farstrider.org Sun Jul 10 09:28:54 2005 From: april at farstrider.org (April) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 01:28:54 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Dreamweaver site (template?) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42D0DC46.50005@farstrider.org> If the issue really is a dreamweaver template, to work with them you need to open dreamweaver, create a dreamweaver site, and edit the template in the templates folder. That should change every page on the site. Dreamweaver has a pretty good tutorial under Help that addresses creating sites and templates. If you mean she changed the template file in another program, or changed it in dreamweaver without creating a site, then that's the problem. The dreamweaver program is what goes through and adjusts all of the HTML to the template. If you work outside of a dreamweaver site on a template, it's a dud. If you mean she changed an actual site HTML page and nothing happened... it sounds like some other issue. Roger H. wrote: > Hello 'volters, > > I'm at relatively good HTML'r, an alright CCS'r, and I guess a so-so > php/MySQL/SSI'r. But apparently I'm pretty lame with Dreamweaver. > > One of the reasons I was hired at my current job was my supposed > computer/web skills. The person who is in charge of our intranet site, got > handed the site with a few instructions, and has basically had to learn 'web > design' on the fly. While she's not yet creating masterpieces, she's doing a > heck of a job all things considered. > > She's asked me to help her with a problem on the site. There is a left-hand > navigation system that seems to be contained in a template. She can > "apparently" get in there and change the nav template, but when she 'puts' > it up to the server, it wont show up when you view the site with a browser. > > I feel so stupid that I can't figure out how to fix her problem. I've tried > googling the issue, and read stuff like emptying the cache, be sure you are > put'ing up the correct file, make sure our 'definitions' (?) are correct, > etc...but still no luck. > > I don't yet have access to the server, so I can't even get in there and > experiment, or try things on my own. Does anybody have any > advice/tips/suggestions for now? We will be taking a Dreamweaver class ASAP, > but again, I sure would love to be able to fix this. I look at the code, but > its mainly <--begin dreamweaver template...blah blah blah--> stuff. > > As always, any help would be *greatly* appreciated! > > Thank you, > > -Roger Harness > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.11/44 - Release Date: 7/8/05 From support at inetcomputerproducts.com Sun Jul 10 10:42:56 2005 From: support at inetcomputerproducts.com (David Demko) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 04:42:56 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Dreamweaver site (template?) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Once you make the changes to the template page (if she is able to change the nav bar contained that is contained in a template then it is on a template page and not an HTML page) it will (Dreamweaver) ask you to update the pages that use that template. I assume that she is saying yes and updating all the pages. Once that is done you have to "put" or ftp all the pages that use that nav template and not just the template page. That should work out the problem. -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces@lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces@lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Roger H. Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 2:13 AM To: evolt list Subject: [thelist] Dreamweaver site (template?) Does anybody have any advice/tips/suggestions for now? We will be taking a Dreamweaver class ASAP, but again, I sure would love to be able to fix this. I look at the code, but its mainly <--begin dreamweaver template...blah blah blah--> stuff. Thanks, David Demko 972-886-1004 972-692-5784 Fax www.ddemko.com www.inetcomputerproducts.com From rich at richpoints.com Sun Jul 10 14:38:29 2005 From: rich at richpoints.com (Rich Points) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 07:38:29 -0600 Subject: [thelist] Dreamweaver site (template?) Message-ID: <42D124D5.4020904@richpoints.com> > > >Once you make the changes to the template page (if she is able to change the >nav bar contained that is contained in a template then it is on a template >page and not an HTML page) it will (Dreamweaver) ask you to update the pages >that use that template. I assume that she is saying yes and updating all >the pages. Once that is done you have to "put" or ftp all the pages that >use that nav template and not just the template page. That should work out >the problem. > > This is why DreamWeaver templates are a big waste of time and I always advise clients using them to move away from them. I find that a combination of CSS and SSI provide more site wide control than the DW templates. Rich > > > > > > From roberto at castelosnoar.com Sun Jul 10 15:19:29 2005 From: roberto at castelosnoar.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Roberto_Gorj=E3o?=) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 15:19:29 +0100 Subject: [thelist] Dreamweaver site (template?) In-Reply-To: <42D124D5.4020904@richpoints.com> References: <42D124D5.4020904@richpoints.com> Message-ID: <42D12E71.3010107@castelosnoar.com> I couldn't agree more! Roberto ------------------ Rich Points wrote: > This is why DreamWeaver templates are a big waste of time and I always > advise clients using them to move away from them. I find that a > combination of CSS and SSI provide more site wide control than the DW > templates. > > Rich From russ at unrealisticexpectations.com Sun Jul 10 15:47:39 2005 From: russ at unrealisticexpectations.com (Russ) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 09:47:39 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Dreamweaver site (template?) In-Reply-To: <42D12E71.3010107@castelosnoar.com> Message-ID: <01e101c5855e$534c0c40$6701a8c0@autolycus> > I couldn't agree more! > > This is why DreamWeaver templates are a big waste of time > and I always > > advise clients using them to move away from them. I find that a > > combination of CSS and SSI provide more site wide control > than the DW > > templates. > > > > Rich And while you guys happen to be most likely correct, I don't think it's helping anyone solve the problem. Roger, what technology is in play here? Is it static HTML or is there something like PHP, CFMX, etc. etc.? Since it appears that it's actual DW templates, it can get messy and you'd need to make sure that, once the template is updated, it gets pushed out to all the pages that it is associated with. I don't have my trusty little study guide with me that I used when taking the DW exam nor do I use DW templates (like others, I do agree that they're not a great thing), however, utilize the Help system and/or Macromedia's forums to see what you can find about Updating Templates. I know there's something about making sure the pages that have the template in it also get updated so that they all reference the correct code--in fact, it almost sounds like she's ONLY updating the template and not actually updating all the pages that would be changed, as well, since it's all HTML code. Does that make sense? To put it another way: You cannot just FTP up the template; all of the pages that utilize that template will also need to be updated. Hope that helps, Russ From support at inetcomputerproducts.com Sun Jul 10 17:01:12 2005 From: support at inetcomputerproducts.com (David Demko) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 11:01:12 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Dreamweaver site (template?) In-Reply-To: <01e101c5855e$534c0c40$6701a8c0@autolycus> Message-ID: Russ and others, -----Original Message----- >From: thelist-bounces@lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces@lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Russ >Subject: RE: [thelist] Dreamweaver site (template?) >And while you guys happen to be most likely correct, I don't think it's helping anyone solve the problem. >Roger, what technology is in play here? Is it static HTML or is there something like PHP, CFMX, etc. etc.? >Since it appears that it's actual DW templates, it can get messy and you'd need to make sure that, once the template is updated, it gets pushed out to all the pages that it is associated with. I don't have my trusty little study guide with me that I used when taking the DW exam nor do I use DW templates (like others, I do agree that they're not a great thing), however, utilize the Help system and/or Macromedia's forums to see what you can find about Updating Templates. I know there's something about making sure the pages that have the template in it also get updated so that they all reference the correct code--in fact, it almost sounds like she's ONLY updating the template and not actually updating all the pages that would be changed, as well, since it's all HTML code. >Does that make sense? To put it another way: You cannot just FTP up the template; all of the pages that utilize that template will also need to be updated. ============================= You are exactly correct, and I advised this earlier (about updating all pages on the web server and not just the template) - this is exactly the problem. For sites that I have taken over with these templates, I simply copy/paste the entire html,php,cfm, etc, that has the templated tags embedded to a text editor and simply remove all the template tags. If you are insistent on using Dreamweaver from there, simply copy/paste the adjusted pages back to Dreamweaver and replace the original files, that will eliminate the template from the page (Dreamweaver won't let you delete those tags directly) and make each page fully editable. That will enable you to replace the nav system using CSS or SSI on all pages. While the templates in Dreamweaver were a novel idea they are really not very effective particularly if you make considerable updates as you will find they will eventually cause issues with updates on some pages - don't know why but using SSI or CSS is much more efficient. Hope that helps Thanks, David Demko 972-886-1004 972-692-5784 Fax www.ddemko.com www.inetcomputerproducts.com -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From Paul.Bennett at wcc.govt.nz Sun Jul 10 23:29:59 2005 From: Paul.Bennett at wcc.govt.nz (Paul Bennett) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 10:29:59 +1200 Subject: [thelist] Photoshop > Colour washout on 'save for web' Message-ID: Ok, I have a weird colour prob. in Photoshop. We recently got dual 19" LCD's at work (yeah, life's tough huh? ;)) and = I have fiddled with the display properties on the actual monitors to get = things looking relatively 'right'. Colours are fine in Photoshop UNTIL I go to 'save for web' or 'save as'. = Then the colour appears washed out and altered slightly. No. it's not a = JPEG setting as I've tried all file sizes and modes... I've always found that PS would display colors in save as.. the same as = when you're editing... any ideas? 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