[thelist] Site check please rocky-hills.com

[Ken Schaefer]

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: From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-
: bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Felix Miata
: Subject: Re: [thelist] Site check please rocky-hills.com
: 
: Ken Schaefer wrote:
: 
: > : bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Felix Miata
: 
: > : BTW, the CRT I use at 1792x1344 and 2048x1536 was one of 3 identical
: > : garden variety 19" Dells
: 
: > Those resolutions are not mainstream for 19" CRT monitors.
: 
: What does that mean? Are we to permit only mainstream users to use our
: pages, discriminating against all those not mainstream?

They are not mainstream. For the consequences, please see the rest of my
post. I'm certainly *not* advocating discriminating against anyone. Please
don't put words into my mouth, or imply such things.


: > And dealing with
: > every corner-case simply doesn't make good business sense.
: 
: Is there any need to deal with any particular case, edge or otherwise,
: when you use fluid/adaptive design? Are you sure you're not just making
: another justfication of just-like-everyone-else-did-with-tables 760px
: width & 11px text?

I'm absolutely sure about that. Businesses are there to derive some kind of
benefit from their investment. Given that money is limited (I've yet to come
across a business, or any organisation for that matter, that had an unlimited
budget), we need to spend those dollars (or whatever currency) in the most
judicious way. That's why there are corner cases, and those are dealt with
*if* budget permits.
 
: > FWIW I'm aware of the issues you raise. I use a Toshiba M200 
: > Tablet for a laptop. That does 1400x1050 pixels on a 12" panel. 
: > However I also realise
: > that this is simply not the norm.
: 
: It's close enough among laptops, which have recently begun outselling
: desktops, thus becoming the norm among new PCs.

Rubbish. Most laptops sold these days have 14" or 15" panels. Generally the
only models with 12" screens are in the ultra-light category. Further more,
most laptops today are XGA (1024x768) or thereabouts. Few are 1400x1050, let
alone 1400x1050 on a 12" panel. The Toshiba that I have is the only model
from a tier 1 vendor that I know of that supports such a high resolution on
such a small panel.

 
: Assuming you don't believe [close enough] is true, where's the threshold
: between norm and non-norm? How is this line determined? Why need there
: be any line?

That's something to be analysed on a project-by-project basis. You can set
this out in the project plan after analysing the business case. I'm stunned
that you appear to be unaware of what are basic operating principles for
organising and carrying through a project. You seem to believe that
delivering web applications is somehow divorced from the same rules that
govern delivering any other IT project.

: > The net result - if you want to use hardware/software way 
: > outside the norm, then expect to have to make
: > some kind of tradeoffs between the benefits you get from your particular
: > hardware/software and your experience of the world.
: 
: What I expect is to be able to take maximum advantage of my hardware
: investment. After all, it's mine.

You can do anything you want with your hardware. But my site is, well, my
site. And frankly I don't care that you have a hard time viewing it. 

For a business, well, the situation is a little different. If it makes
business sense to cater to your whims, then by all means they should. *BUT*
the further you are from the norm, the less likely it does make good sense to
cater to you.

 
: But, most deeziners apparently ass-ume
: I shouldn't be permitted this luxury and make it painful to make that
: deviant choice. Even the more enlightened ones, as are most we regularly
: have in this and forums like it, seem resistant to the concept of
: permitting visitors to use their own equipment as they see fit.

As I said, you can use your equipment any way you want. But, you don't own
the web, and no one has to cater to your whims. 

So, how you use your equipment in your own house is up to you. You can do
your work, or play games at whatever resolution you want. You can even view
your own webpages using whatever protocols you want, at whatever resolution
you want, using whatever browser you want. 

: Actually what I expect is for people to show serious respect for other
: people's wishes by not making unnecessary and painful impositions upon
: them. Most web designers apparently don't agree with me. What they think
: is best to them *obviously* must be what's best for everyone.

No - I don't believe that's true. Most designers will attempt to cater for a
range of viewers *subject* to limitations of time and budget, and other
business requirements (e.g. functionality that must be delivered).

Cheers
Ken