>> Using an MVC-oriented templating approach like Velocity or JSP (Java >> examples, dunno about PHP) eliminates this problem completely. > PHP: > Cakephp (I love it) > Symfony (The other big one, different approach) > Zend (ha ha Vaporware) Second that recommendation for CakePHP. Arguably the best MVC framework for PHP. http://www.cakephp.org/ Hershel -- Gallery Robinson Web Services http://web.galleryrobinson.com/