> Lee, Chris and Jordan, > > I will try to make it work as you suggest Lee, I'll tell the group whether > it works or not in Safari. > > Chris and Jordan, indeed educating the client in the end is part of the job, > but education only works with those that WANT TO LEARN. In my experience > only 20% of clients actually listen and care about learning, usually they > want things done their way... I think we can blame Sinatra for that! : ) It is down to your self confidence. The security argument I posted should be very easy to sell. Check this out on the subject "my client wants this and there is no arguing": http://positivesharing.com/2006/07/why-the-customer-is-always-right-results-in-bad-customer-service -- Chris Heilmann Book: http://www.beginningjavascript.com Blog: http://www.wait-till-i.com Writing: http://icant.co.uk/