From harvester at lists.evolt.org Mon Aug 17 00:00:07 2009 From: harvester at lists.evolt.org (harvester at lists.evolt.org) Date: 17 Aug 2009 00:00:07 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Tip Harvest for the Week of Monday Aug 10, 2009 Message-ID: <20090817050007.31276.qmail@tempest.evolt.org> The tip harvest for the Week of Monday Aug 10, 2009 has been added to the lists.evolt.org site. Get it at: http://lists.evolt.org/harvest/show.cgi?w=20090810 Week at a glance listing at: http://lists.evolt.org/harvest/week.cgi?w=20090810 Harvest Summary --------------- Number of messages: 36 Number of tips : 1 Tip Authors ----------- Matt Warden (1) Tip Types --------- sqlldr (1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ What: Tips are how a list subscriber "pays" for making an off-topic post to the list (see List Info for more information). Of course, this does not make off-topic posts acceptable. :) How : You include a tip in your posting by using the [tip]...[/tip] tag (replace the square brackets with angle brackets). The tip tag takes the optional attributes of 'type' and 'author'. From fredthejonester at gmail.com Mon Aug 17 06:45:15 2009 From: fredthejonester at gmail.com (Fred Jones) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 14:45:15 +0300 Subject: [thelist] Good British Registrar In-Reply-To: <4A8882E4.80202@well.com> References: <177c0a10908160714x554e588eva17afca4a5440c40@mail.gmail.com> <4A8882E4.80202@well.com> Message-ID: <177c0a10908170445i11ef0e01y35559686c29f109f@mail.gmail.com> > land1 - brings back nightmares. Tell me about it. :( > GoDaddy is notorious for inappropriate, overbearing dealings with > their clients: http://NoDaddy.com +1. Or should it be a -1? Stay far away from GoDaddy, agreed. Ick. > http://www.totalregistrations.com/ seem ok to me. You could also look at > http://www.nettica.com/ if you want DNS + registration in one place? > gradwell.com although they're not a 'bargain basement' registrar (tenner > for a domain). Thanks From sales at lycosa.co.uk Mon Aug 17 06:47:51 2009 From: sales at lycosa.co.uk (Sales @ Lycosa) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 12:47:51 +0100 Subject: [thelist] Good British Registrar In-Reply-To: <177c0a10908160714x554e588eva17afca4a5440c40@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I found Domain Monster 3 or 4 years ago, and I haven't looked back since. They offer a fantastic control panel for organising your domains. You can add a list of customers, and register domains to a particular customer. They are responsive, answering the phone very quickly, are always helpful and friendly. Once, I accidentally registered a domain to the wrong person, so I requested an order verification page before final checkout, and they implemented it within a couple of months. I have only ever had one problem with their system, and it was sorted out within a couple of hours. You can alter DNS settings very easily, and they have automated renewals. They don't charge for domain transfers to or away. They offer hosting, too, although I only use them for the domains so I can't comment on their hosting. They are not the cheapest, nor the most expensive, but I have saved a huge amount of time because of the ease of their system. No more logging in to different accounts. All you domains are listed, easy to modify. They also have a partner programme, which works on the referring page, and not the usual GET variable. I rang them to enquire about how to include a referral link within this email, and although it is not possible right now, they are planning to alter their referral system in the future, and were grateful for my input. They seem to be a progressive company, and I genuinely recommend them. I have used half a dozen registrars in the past, including 1and1, but none of them have a control panel to match Domain Monsters. Irrespective of the fact that I can earn commission from this, I would highly recommend them anyway. If you would like to use the link on my website so I can earn some commission, go to http://lycosa.co.uk and click on the domain monster banner. If you're not feeling so benevolent, just go to http://www.domainmonster.com :( Kind regards, Phil Parker www.lycosa.co.uk From jason.handby at corestar.co.uk Mon Aug 17 06:53:26 2009 From: jason.handby at corestar.co.uk (Jason Handby) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 12:53:26 +0100 Subject: [thelist] Good British Registrar In-Reply-To: <177c0a10908170445i11ef0e01y35559686c29f109f@mail.gmail.com> References: <177c0a10908160714x554e588eva17afca4a5440c40@mail.gmail.com><4A8882E4.80202@well.com> <177c0a10908170445i11ef0e01y35559686c29f109f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9A50776858A21848A96469CDFCBCDEFF0267F4BE@exch-be12.exchange.local> Hi Fred, > > http://www.totalregistrations.com/ seem ok to me. You could also look > at > > http://www.nettica.com/ if you want DNS + registration in one place? Forget what I said about nettica -- a great place to put your DNS records, but it looks like they don't register .co.uk domains. My bad. Jason From joel at bizba6.com Mon Aug 17 10:59:35 2009 From: joel at bizba6.com (Joel Canfield) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 08:59:35 -0700 Subject: [thelist] general query about dedicated hosting Message-ID: <619d00930908170859s59b2a78t6f215f9566a9e7c3@mail.gmail.com> howdy! so, my search for "hosting I don't hate" continues. if I go with the incredibly expensive option of dedicated hosting, does the hosting company generally manage the server, whilst leaving me carte blanche as far as how I use the space, or am I responsible for the server's software as well? is there such a thing as dedicated hosting where they'll provide recommended third party apps which they'll they support, so I can add a forum, blog, whatever, but know it's not going to blow up in my face? I'm looking for the dream world of complete freedom to use the server space and access, but constrained by someone who knows more than me about security, available tools, etc. or maybe I'm looking for an admin to do it for me, and just let me do the parts I'm good at. still looking. joel -- Joel at Bizba6.com http://BusinessHeretics.com/ From eccentric.one at gmail.com Mon Aug 17 11:06:01 2009 From: eccentric.one at gmail.com (Jeremy Weiss) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 11:06:01 -0500 Subject: [thelist] general query about dedicated hosting In-Reply-To: <619d00930908170859s59b2a78t6f215f9566a9e7c3@mail.gmail.com> References: <619d00930908170859s59b2a78t6f215f9566a9e7c3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4a898005.1d045a0a.0d81.211f@mx.google.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On > Behalf Of Joel Canfield > > is there such a thing as dedicated hosting where they'll provide recommended > third party apps which they'll they support, so I can add a forum, blog, > whatever, but know it's not going to blow up in my face? > I'm not aware of a host that will support 3rd party apps. But, if you want the whole box to yourself without having to actually maintain the it, then you're looking for 'managed hosting'. You don't usually get root access, as the hosting company is responsible for keeping it running. -jeremy From rogerharness at comcast.net Mon Aug 17 11:14:28 2009 From: rogerharness at comcast.net (rogerharness at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 16:14:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [thelist] Database - advantage of mulitple tables? In-Reply-To: <111348745.779901250524338412.JavaMail.root@sz0040a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <445454714.790441250525668890.JavaMail.root@sz0040a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Volters, ? We?re working on a database in my office, that will be used to track training. Currently, we have an employee table with a little over 4000 names, that contains such info as: UserID, UserLName, UserFName, UserClassification, UserRegionDivision, UserEmail, UserCity, UserEmpStatus, UserSupervisorLName, and a few others. Can you help explain why (or why not!), it would be good to break down some of this info into multiple tables? I?m thinking we should at least have a User table, a Classification (position) table, and a RegionDivision table. But the only reasons I can come up with would be in case we needed to change any of these fields, we?d only have to edit the Classification or RegionDivision table and not have to go through the entire employee table. Is this correct? ? Would there be other reasons we should try to create multiple tables, or would it be simpler just to have the one large table? With only 4000 rows for this table, would speed be an issue at all, either way? ? I?m definitely not a true DB person, but I?m still having to take this on, so I?d like to prepare as much as possible before I get myself into trouble. ? Thanks as always folks! -Roger Harness From joel at bizba6.com Mon Aug 17 11:35:22 2009 From: joel at bizba6.com (Joel Canfield) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 09:35:22 -0700 Subject: [thelist] general query about dedicated hosting In-Reply-To: <4a898005.1d045a0a.0d81.211f@mx.google.com> References: <619d00930908170859s59b2a78t6f215f9566a9e7c3@mail.gmail.com> <4a898005.1d045a0a.0d81.211f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <619d00930908170935s6c1d243ah8e6bedd6e7edefd@mail.gmail.com> > > you're looking for 'managed hosting'. You don't usually get root access, as > the hosting company is responsible for keeping it running. > > -jeremy > > that helps; thanks From jason.handby at corestar.co.uk Mon Aug 17 11:52:00 2009 From: jason.handby at corestar.co.uk (Jason Handby) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 17:52:00 +0100 Subject: [thelist] general query about dedicated hosting In-Reply-To: <4a898005.1d045a0a.0d81.211f@mx.google.com> References: <619d00930908170859s59b2a78t6f215f9566a9e7c3@mail.gmail.com> <4a898005.1d045a0a.0d81.211f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <9A50776858A21848A96469CDFCBCDEFF0267F501@exch-be12.exchange.local> > > is there such a thing as dedicated hosting where they'll provide > recommended > > third party apps which they'll they support, so I can add a forum, > blog, > > whatever, but know it's not going to blow up in my face? > > > > I'm not aware of a host that will support 3rd party apps. But, if you > want > the whole box to yourself without having to actually maintain the it, > then > you're looking for 'managed hosting'. You don't usually get root > access, as > the hosting company is responsible for keeping it running. I have a client with a Rackspace Managed Windows server -- as well as Rackspace looking after the OS, they also have MS SQL Server provided and maintained for a monthly fee. (Rackspace offer other applications too, although you'd have to ask them for details.) My client has full Administrator server access via Remote Desktop. I'm guessing if Rackspace do this then other Managed hosting companies do too? Jason From rob at rob-n-steph.net Mon Aug 17 12:23:28 2009 From: rob at rob-n-steph.net (Robert Lee) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 13:23:28 -0400 Subject: [thelist] general query about dedicated hosting In-Reply-To: <619d00930908170859s59b2a78t6f215f9566a9e7c3@mail.gmail.com> References: <619d00930908170859s59b2a78t6f215f9566a9e7c3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003901ca1f5f$70b73710$5225a530$@net> -----Original Message----- >From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Joel Canfield >Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 12:00 PM >To: thelist at lists.evolt.org >Subject: [thelist] general query about dedicated hosting > >howdy! >so, my search for "hosting I don't hate" continues. if I go with the >incredibly expensive option of dedicated hosting, does the hosting company >generally manage the server, whilst leaving me carte blanche as far as how I >use the space, or am I responsible for the server's software as well? I now use Managed VPS machines for most of our clients (some shared hosting others with the whole VPS to themselves). It's kind of the best of both worlds: The VPS provider manages the OS, security, patches, etc, and keep everything that they provided with the VPS updated (cPanel/WHM, MySQL, etc.). I still have root access so I can add apps and make adjustments to the server. They don't support 3rd party apps, but I don't think that you'll find many hosting (hardware) providers that do. I have one client that we provide a similar service for: they have an employee that manages their sites, we manage the layer of the server between the VPS provider and the employee, along with providing direct support for anything that they don't want to (or can't) deal with. You should be able to find others that provide this type of service, or will manage a dedicated server or VPS for you. HTH Rob From rudy at r937.com Mon Aug 17 13:23:32 2009 From: rudy at r937.com (r937) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 14:23:32 -0400 Subject: [thelist] Database - advantage of mulitple tables? Message-ID: there is not very much to be gained by splitting your current employee table up, and plenty to be lost, primarily lost time and effort to ensure that current apps continue to work against the redesigned database... and for what? are there any non-employees in the table? (you'd be surprised, i've seen several examples of employee tables where the meeting rooms and cafeteria are included, because the little app that produces the company phone directory needed to include those phone numbers) i wouldn't stick the training columns in there, though -- i'd use a new table for that, and simply use the UserIDs from the employee table to track the employees rudy http://r937.com/ From rjmolesa at consoltec.net Mon Aug 17 14:30:08 2009 From: rjmolesa at consoltec.net (Jon Molesa) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 15:30:08 -0400 Subject: [thelist] Database - advantage of mulitple tables? In-Reply-To: <445454714.790441250525668890.JavaMail.root@sz0040a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <111348745.779901250524338412.JavaMail.root@sz0040a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <445454714.790441250525668890.JavaMail.root@sz0040a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <20090817193008.GA16773@jenna.rjmolesa.homelinux.net> *On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 04:14:28PM +0000 rogerharness at comcast.net wrote: > We???re working on a database in my office, that will be used to track training. Currently, we have an employee table with a little over 4000 names, that contains such info as: UserID, UserLName, UserFName, UserClassification, UserRegionDivision, UserEmail, UserCity, UserEmpStatus, UserSupervisorLName, and a few others. Can you help explain why (or why not!), it would be good to break down some of this info into multiple tables? I???m thinking we should at least have a User table, a Classification (position) table, and a RegionDivision table. But the only reasons I can come up with would be in case we needed to change any of these fields, we???d only have to edit the Classification or RegionDivision table and not have to go through the entire employee table. Is this correct? That is exactly the reason for splitting data out into multiple tables. It's called data integrity. Though you could update 4000 records with a simple query when a Classification or Region/Division name changes, but why? The point of good db design is not having to. It's a bit more extra work but by having a list pulled from a Classifications table presented to the user upon inputting a new record the margin of error is greatly reduced. Spelling errors are more easily controlled. Assign a unique id to every employee (employee_id), go over every field in the table and ask yourself "Does this field depend upon the employee_id field?" if not then it's a candidate for a separate table. It's a process called Normalization. > Would there be other reasons we should try to create multiple tables, or would it be simpler just to have the one large table? With only 4000 rows for this table, would speed be an issue at all, either way? Initially it is simpler to set up. But any convenience gained here will be paid for down the road when you want to update something. -- Jon Molesa rjmolesa at consoltec.net if you're bored or curious http://rjmolesa.com From mwarden at gmail.com Mon Aug 17 12:57:44 2009 From: mwarden at gmail.com (Matt Warden) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 13:57:44 -0400 Subject: [thelist] Database - advantage of mulitple tables? In-Reply-To: <445454714.790441250525668890.JavaMail.root@sz0040a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <111348745.779901250524338412.JavaMail.root@sz0040a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <445454714.790441250525668890.JavaMail.root@sz0040a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 12:14 PM, wrote: > Would there be other reasons we should try to create multiple tables, or would it be simpler just to have the one large table? With only 4000 rows for this table, would speed be an issue at all, either way? > With so few rows, speed is not a concern. I would say keep it simple with a single table. One could make an argument for normalizing a little bit, but it's really not worth it in my opinion. -- Matt Warden Cincinnati, OH, USA http://mattwarden.com This email proudly and graciously contributes to entropy. From joel at bizba6.com Tue Aug 18 08:25:48 2009 From: joel at bizba6.com (Joel Canfield) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 06:25:48 -0700 Subject: [thelist] seeking comments and feedback on ejunkie for a non-list friend Message-ID: <619d00930908180625r66e9ff81paa88163f5375ab1a@mail.gmail.com> my good friend Charlie Cheney needs a way to sell his Indie Band Manager software and his own MP3s via download. he's been doing physical product for software and music until now. he's pretty web savvy, but has no ecommerce experience that I know of. how's ejunkie? any alternatives he should check out? anyone willing to engage in conversation with him offlist about it? thanks muchly joel -- Joel at Bizba6.com http://BusinessHeretics.com/ From Ron.Luther at hp.com Tue Aug 18 08:58:08 2009 From: Ron.Luther at hp.com (Luther, Ron) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 13:58:08 +0000 Subject: [thelist] FW: Link Rot In-Reply-To: <4A85B9CD.2050805@markgroen.com> References: <6C571521FE9E4348AA16498E72C483BB170661DB00@GVW0671EXC.americas.hpqcorp.net> <4A85B9CD.2050805@markgroen.com> Message-ID: <6C571521FE9E4348AA16498E72C483BB170675EEAB@GVW0671EXC.americas.hpqcorp.net> Mark Groen noted: >>Wouldn't really call it simple, but the Apache mod_rewrite module can handle >>link rot and guessing that Sun and Windows have similar capability. Hi Mark, To some extent, yes. If a systemic change is made to the storage directory structure, then I believe you can add a mod_rewrite rule to restore the old broken links and prevent them from losing seo relevance. What Apache doesn't tell you, (AFAIK, anyway), is that the links are broken in the first place. For that you need a small app to trawl through all of the links in your CMS (or CMS-like) system. What my suggestion does is put all of those links in a single place. That makes it very easy to trawl through looking for things that are broken. I'll agree that once you find those broken links there might certainly be an opportunity to use mod_rewrite to correct them. HTH, RonL. From bobm at dottedi.biz Tue Aug 18 11:45:07 2009 From: bobm at dottedi.biz (Bob Meetin) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 10:45:07 -0600 Subject: [thelist] Magento - any performance updates? Message-ID: <4A8ADA93.90200@dottedi.biz> When Magento e-Commerce came out I took a look but the performance was horrible. I'm just wondering if anyone on the list has updated performance reports. Aside from performance the interface/such looked quite doable. -- Bob From eccentric.one at gmail.com Tue Aug 18 12:08:40 2009 From: eccentric.one at gmail.com (Jeremy Weiss) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 12:08:40 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Magento - any performance updates? In-Reply-To: <4A8ADA93.90200@dottedi.biz> References: <4A8ADA93.90200@dottedi.biz> Message-ID: <4a8ae01e.05035a0a.636a.745f@mx.google.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On > Behalf Of Bob Meetin > > When Magento e-Commerce came out I took a look but the performance was > horrible. I'm just wondering if anyone on the list has updated > performance reports. Aside from performance the interface/such looked > quite doable. I'm building a Magento site now and I've been keeping an eye on performance during the development. Thus far I haven't noticed it performing any worse than Drupal. But, again, it hasn't launched yet so I could be in for a rude awaking down the road. -jeremy From jslist at sbcglobal.net Tue Aug 18 15:20:08 2009 From: jslist at sbcglobal.net (j s) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 13:20:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [thelist] MOSS 2007 Configuration Problem Message-ID: <821922.38421.qm@web81006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Anyone out there good with setup of MOSS 2007?? I'm getting an error - that I can't track down an answer for.? "Cannot connect to the configuration database."? Created Farm with SQL server and a Windows 2008 server.? The default "SharedServices1" has an error: (Provisioning failed: The SELECT permission was denied on the object 'sysusers', database 'mssqlsystemresource', schema 'sys'.) The configuration SQL database has a domain admin user setup that has access to both servers. Any ideas are appreciated. Js From evolt_org at striderweb.com Tue Aug 18 14:49:50 2009 From: evolt_org at striderweb.com (Stephen Rider) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 14:49:50 -0500 Subject: [thelist] CAPTCHA In-Reply-To: <4eedb92a0908081907x7509db5m7cbf71c926642dd6@mail.gmail.com> References: <4f3c4ccc-6b20-4502-ae33-8a2a110e5246@striderweb.com> <472577830908070826g74e1acafkaef7c26e8dcc23e8@mail.gmail.com> <3cba52b9335f054fb6d2e68618e018c60762adc2@sfmail01.lchb.com> <7b290204102.00000303vaspers@inbox.com> <4a2d3d18.4000404@gmail.com> <17a101c9e845$7f098e90$7d1cabb0$@com> <564271AE150.000003ADvaspers@inbox.com> <4A7DF86D.6030506@fayec.com> <4a7e28b7.09035a0a.0fe6.4ace@mx.google.com> <4eedb92a0908081907x7509db5m7cbf71c926642dd6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9A9F21DB-0024-4ECB-AB55-B8C3FAC91A9A@striderweb.com> On Aug 8, 2009, at 9:07 PM, Hassan Schroeder wrote: > I've seen CAPTCHAs that sucked, yes, but personally I'd be more > inclined to just go with the "what's 2 + 2" question approach rather > than stretch too far into interpretation based on what may not be a > shared worldview. For that type of thing you can also use questions where the the answers are definitive but not easily deciphered by a computer, e.g. Which is warmer, ice or steam? That also has the advantage that the answer is directly suggested in the question in a way a human can pick out. Stephen -- Stephen Rider http://striderweb.com/ From brian at hondaswap.com Tue Aug 18 16:10:58 2009 From: brian at hondaswap.com (Brian Cummiskey) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 17:10:58 -0400 Subject: [thelist] CAPTCHA In-Reply-To: <9A9F21DB-0024-4ECB-AB55-B8C3FAC91A9A@striderweb.com> References: <4f3c4ccc-6b20-4502-ae33-8a2a110e5246@striderweb.com> <472577830908070826g74e1acafkaef7c26e8dcc23e8@mail.gmail.com> <3cba52b9335f054fb6d2e68618e018c60762adc2@sfmail01.lchb.com> <7b290204102.00000303vaspers@inbox.com> <4a2d3d18.4000404@gmail.com> <17a101c9e845$7f098e90$7d1cabb0$@com> <564271AE150.000003ADvaspers@inbox.com> <4A7DF86D.6030506@fayec.com> <4a7e28b7.09035a0a.0fe6.4ace@mx.google.com> <4eedb92a0908081907x7509db5m7cbf71c926642dd6@mail.gmail.com> <9A9F21DB-0024-4ECB-AB55-B8C3FAC91A9A@striderweb.com> Message-ID: <4A8B18E2.2080702@hondaswap.com> An option that often works well is to use a hidden field. On process, if there's any value in there, reject it. Bots tend to fill all fields with something. From chris.price at choctaw.co.uk Tue Aug 18 16:23:58 2009 From: chris.price at choctaw.co.uk (Chris Price) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 22:23:58 +0100 Subject: [thelist] CAPTCHA In-Reply-To: <4A8B18E2.2080702@hondaswap.com> References: <4f3c4ccc-6b20-4502-ae33-8a2a110e5246@striderweb.com> <472577830908070826g74e1acafkaef7c26e8dcc23e8@mail.gmail.com> <3cba52b9335f054fb6d2e68618e018c60762adc2@sfmail01.lchb.com> <7b290204102.00000303vaspers@inbox.com> <4a2d3d18.4000404@gmail.com> <17a101c9e845$7f098e90$7d1cabb0$@com> <564271AE150.000003ADvaspers@inbox.com> <4A7DF86D.6030506@fayec.com> <4a7e28b7.09035a0a.0fe6.4ace@mx.google.com> <4eedb92a0908081907x7509db5m7cbf71c926642dd6@mail.gmail.com> <9A9F21DB-0024-4ECB-AB55-B8C3FAC91A9A@striderweb.com> <4A8B18E2.2080702@hondaswap.com> Message-ID: <4A8B1BEE.9080102@choctaw.co.uk> Brian Cummiskey wrote: > An option that often works well is to use a hidden field. > > > > On process, if there's any value in there, reject it. Bots tend to > fill all fields with something. > As with previous posts suggesting this approach, it sounds like a no brainer. But where is the [anecdotal] evidence that it works and why don't the big boys use it? Just asking the questions. I am of little brain and need enlightening. -- Kind Regards Chris Price Choctaw chris.price at choctaw.co.uk www.choctaw.co.uk Tel. 01524 825 245 Mob. 0777 629 0227 Choctaw Media Fertile Ground for Websites Follow me on Twitter Catch up with me on LinkedIn Its a Living Thing~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Sent on behalf of Choctaw Media Ltd << ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Choctaw Media Limited is a company registered in England and Wales with company number 04627649 Registered Office: Priory Close, St Mary's Gate, Lancaster LA1 1XB, United Kingdom. From dunkaz at gmail.com Tue Aug 18 17:00:54 2009 From: dunkaz at gmail.com (Duncan Hill) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 23:00:54 +0100 Subject: [thelist] CAPTCHA In-Reply-To: <4A8B1BEE.9080102@choctaw.co.uk> References: <4f3c4ccc-6b20-4502-ae33-8a2a110e5246@striderweb.com> <472577830908070826g74e1acafkaef7c26e8dcc23e8@mail.gmail.com> <3cba52b9335f054fb6d2e68618e018c60762adc2@sfmail01.lchb.com> <7b290204102.00000303vaspers@inbox.com> <4a2d3d18.4000404@gmail.com> <17a101c9e845$7f098e90$7d1cabb0$@com> <564271AE150.000003ADvaspers@inbox.com> <4A7DF86D.6030506@fayec.com> <4a7e28b7.09035a0a.0fe6.4ace@mx.google.com> <4eedb92a0908081907x7509db5m7cbf71c926642dd6@mail.gmail.com> <9A9F21DB-0024-4ECB-AB55-B8C3FAC91A9A@striderweb.com> <4A8B18E2.2080702@hondaswap.com> <4A8B1BEE.9080102@choctaw.co.uk> Message-ID: On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 22:23:58 +0100, Chris Price wrote: > As with previous posts suggesting this approach, it sounds like a no > brainer. > > But where is the [anecdotal] evidence that it works and why don't the > big boys use it? > > Just asking the questions. I am of little brain and need enlightening. I've tried the technique on a fairly simple site, and to be honest, the site never attracted a lot of spam anyway so it is hard to be objective on the results. Reflections on why the 'Big Boys' don't use it, and applying the 'kiss' principles ... maybe it just doesn't fuel egos in quite the same way as a complex system could. That might even be a big advantage for the smaller sites, there is less reason for the bots to start developing counter measures if the Big Boys aren't in the game. There is less risk of this method tripping itself up on anti-discriminatory laws as there is nothing potentially that the user needs to do. Duncan From anthony at baratta.com Tue Aug 18 17:52:59 2009 From: anthony at baratta.com (Anthony Baratta) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 15:52:59 -0700 Subject: [thelist] MOSS 2007 Configuration Problem In-Reply-To: <821922.38421.qm@web81006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <821922.38421.qm@web81006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A8B30CB.9040609@baratta.com> j s wrote: > Anyone out there good with setup of MOSS 2007? I'm getting an error - that I can't track down an answer for. "Cannot connect to the configuration database." Make sure your Domain Admin is a SQL Administrator. Only "local" admins are setup to be SQL Admins by default. -- Anthony Baratta There are all kinds of interesting questions that come from a knowledge of science, which only adds to the excitement and mystery and awe of a flower. It only adds. I don?t understand how it subtracts. ? Richard Feynman From chris.price at choctaw.co.uk Tue Aug 18 18:47:54 2009 From: chris.price at choctaw.co.uk (Chris Price) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 00:47:54 +0100 Subject: [thelist] CAPTCHA In-Reply-To: References: <4f3c4ccc-6b20-4502-ae33-8a2a110e5246@striderweb.com> <472577830908070826g74e1acafkaef7c26e8dcc23e8@mail.gmail.com> <3cba52b9335f054fb6d2e68618e018c60762adc2@sfmail01.lchb.com> <7b290204102.00000303vaspers@inbox.com> <4a2d3d18.4000404@gmail.com> <17a101c9e845$7f098e90$7d1cabb0$@com> <564271AE150.000003ADvaspers@inbox.com> <4A7DF86D.6030506@fayec.com> <4a7e28b7.09035a0a.0fe6.4ace@mx.google.com> <4eedb92a0908081907x7509db5m7cbf71c926642dd6@mail.gmail.com> <9A9F21DB-0024-4ECB-AB55-B8C3FAC91A9A@striderweb.com> <4A8B18E2.2080702@hondaswap.com> <4A8B1BEE.9080102@choctaw.co.uk> Message-ID: <4A8B3DAA.5080300@choctaw.co.uk> Duncan Hill wrote: >> But where is the [anecdotal] evidence that it works and why don't the >> big boys use it? >> > Reflections on why the 'Big Boys' don't use it, and applying the 'kiss' > principles ... maybe it just doesn't fuel egos in quite the same way as a > complex system could. > That might even be a big advantage for the smaller sites, there is less > reason for the bots to start developing counter measures if the Big Boys > aren't in the game. Good point. I remember Jacob Nielson advising not to base your website design on Amazon. They could get away with bad design because they were so popular. Given that myhumblewebsite.com is a different beast to facebook.com, is there yet any lesson here I wonder? -- Kind Regards Chris Price Choctaw chris.price at choctaw.co.uk www.choctaw.co.uk Tel. 01524 825 245 Mob. 0777 629 0227 Choctaw Media Fertile Ground for Websites Follow me on Twitter Catch up with me on LinkedIn Its a Living Thing~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Sent on behalf of Choctaw Media Ltd << ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Choctaw Media Limited is a company registered in England and Wales with company number 04627649 Registered Office: Priory Close, St Mary's Gate, Lancaster LA1 1XB, United Kingdom. From bobm at dottedi.biz Tue Aug 18 18:52:00 2009 From: bobm at dottedi.biz (Bob Meetin) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 17:52:00 -0600 Subject: [thelist] CAPTCHA In-Reply-To: References: <4f3c4ccc-6b20-4502-ae33-8a2a110e5246@striderweb.com> <472577830908070826g74e1acafkaef7c26e8dcc23e8@mail.gmail.com> <3cba52b9335f054fb6d2e68618e018c60762adc2@sfmail01.lchb.com> <7b290204102.00000303vaspers@inbox.com> <4a2d3d18.4000404@gmail.com> <17a101c9e845$7f098e90$7d1cabb0$@com> <564271AE150.000003ADvaspers@inbox.com> <4A7DF86D.6030506@fayec.com> <4a7e28b7.09035a0a.0fe6.4ace@mx.google.com> <4eedb92a0908081907x7509db5m7cbf71c926642dd6@mail.gmail.com> <9A9F21DB-0024-4ECB-AB55-B8C3FAC91A9A@striderweb.com> <4A8B18E2.2080702@hondaswap.com> <4A8B1BEE.9080102@choctaw.co.uk> Message-ID: <4A8B3EA0.7040300@dottedi.biz> Duncan Hill wrote: > On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 22:23:58 +0100, Chris Price > wrote: > > >> As with previous posts suggesting this approach, it sounds like a no >> brainer. >> >> But where is the [anecdotal] evidence that it works and why don't the >> big boys use it? >> >> Just asking the questions. I am of little brain and need enlightening. >> > > I've tried the technique on a fairly simple site, and to be honest, the > site never attracted a lot of spam anyway so it is hard to be objective on > the results. > > Reflections on why the 'Big Boys' don't use it, and applying the 'kiss' > principles ... maybe it just doesn't fuel egos in quite the same way as a > complex system could. > That might even be a big advantage for the smaller sites, there is less > reason for the bots to start developing counter measures if the Big Boys > aren't in the game. > > There is less risk of this method tripping itself up on > anti-discriminatory laws as there is nothing potentially that the user > needs to do. > > Duncan > I counter your "on why" with my "why are spammers so notoriously predictable?" It's this predictable behavior that is their Achille's heel. Whether it's the mail server from a distant land or the v word or fill pattern we should all be thankful for small favors. -Bob From evolt at markgroen.com Tue Aug 18 20:38:28 2009 From: evolt at markgroen.com (Mark Groen) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 18:38:28 -0700 Subject: [thelist] seeking comments and feedback on ejunkie for a non-list friend In-Reply-To: <619d00930908180625r66e9ff81paa88163f5375ab1a@mail.gmail.com> References: <619d00930908180625r66e9ff81paa88163f5375ab1a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A8B5794.9040501@markgroen.com> Joel Canfield wrote: > my good friend Charlie Cheney needs a way to sell his Indie Band Manager > software and his own MP3s via download. he's been doing physical product for > software and music until now. > he's pretty web savvy, but has no ecommerce experience that I know of. > > how's ejunkie? any alternatives he should check out? anyone willing to > engage in conversation with him offlist about it? > > thanks muchly > > joel > > Coincidently I know someone who is also interested in that particular service, would appreciate a Cc: if you get any feedback on their service, thanks! cheers, Mark -- From Ken at adOpenStatic.com Tue Aug 18 22:36:28 2009 From: Ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 13:36:28 +1000 Subject: [thelist] MOSS 2007 Configuration Problem In-Reply-To: <821922.38421.qm@web81006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <821922.38421.qm@web81006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of j s Sent: Wednesday, 19 August 2009 4:20 AM To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: [thelist] MOSS 2007 Configuration Problem > Anyone out there good with setup of MOSS 2007?? I'm getting an error - that I can't track down an answer for.? "Cannot connect to the configuration database."? MOSS 2007 setup creates a Shared_Config database. Seems like your MOSS server can't connect to that anymore (e.g. it's not there, or your installation account or the MOSS Farm account can't connect to it) > Created Farm with SQL server and a Windows 2008 server.? The default "SharedServices1" has an error: > (Provisioning failed: The SELECT permission was denied on the object 'sysusers', database 'mssqlsystemresource', schema 'sys'.) Where are you seeing this error? > The configuration SQL database has a domain admin user setup that has access to both servers. This part is confusing me. What configuration database? And what are the "both servers" that you refer to? Also, there are two places you should look for MOSS errors: a) Windows Event Log b) MOSS has a tracing log (by default I think the log is in %systemdrive%\program files\common files\microsoft shared\web server extensions\12\logs) Cheers Ken From Ken at adOpenStatic.com Tue Aug 18 22:33:42 2009 From: Ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 13:33:42 +1000 Subject: [thelist] MOSS 2007 Configuration Problem In-Reply-To: <4A8B30CB.9040609@baratta.com> References: <821922.38421.qm@web81006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4A8B30CB.9040609@baratta.com> Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Anthony Baratta Sent: Wednesday, 19 August 2009 6:53 AM To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: Re: [thelist] MOSS 2007 Configuration Problem j s wrote: >> Anyone out there good with setup of MOSS 2007? I'm getting an error - that I can't track down an answer for. "Cannot connect to the configuration database." > >Make sure your Domain Admin is a SQL Administrator. Only "local" admins are setup to be SQL Admins by default. Domain Admins are added to local Administrators group by default Cheers Ken From jslist at sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 19 10:07:37 2009 From: jslist at sbcglobal.net (j s) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 08:07:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [thelist] MOSS 2007 Configuration Problem In-Reply-To: References: <821922.38421.qm@web81006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <883394.43827.qm@web81003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks for responding.? I will check windows event log and the MOSS tracing log. My server guy started setting up MOSS and ran into trouble - then he handed it over to me.? I will be administrating it.? I set up?WSS 3.0 with SQLExpress successfully.?To finish the installation I used these 2 sites for reference.? http://www.datasprings.com/Resources/ArticlesInformation/OverviewonInstallingSharepoint2007/tabid/774/language/en-US/Default.aspx http://www.pptspaces.com/sharepointreporterblog/Lists/Posts/Post.aspx?ID=28 JS ----- Original Message ---- From: Ken Schaefer To: "thelist at lists.evolt.org" Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 10:36:28 PM Subject: Re: [thelist] MOSS 2007 Configuration Problem -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of j s Sent: Wednesday, 19 August 2009 4:20 AM To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: [thelist] MOSS 2007 Configuration Problem > Anyone out there good with setup of MOSS 2007?? I'm getting an error - that I can't track down an answer for.? "Cannot connect to the configuration database."? MOSS 2007 setup creates a Shared_Config database. Seems like your MOSS server can't connect to that anymore (e.g. it's not there, or your installation account or the MOSS Farm account can't connect to it) > Created Farm with SQL server and a Windows 2008 server.? The default "SharedServices1" has an error: > (Provisioning failed: The SELECT permission was denied on the object 'sysusers', database 'mssqlsystemresource', schema 'sys'.) Where are you seeing this error?? ???I see this error from the Central Adminstration site, On the left side menu it has ??? ??? ??? Central Administration / Operations / Application Management ??? ??? ??? Shared Services Administration / SharedServices1? <--? When I click on Shared Services Administration (not SharedServices1)? then I see? ??? ??? ??? ??? Manage this Farm's Shared Services ??? ??? ??? ??? X? SharedServices1(Default) (Provisioning failed: The SELECT permission was denied on the object 'sysusers', database 'mssqlsystemresource', schema 'sys'.) > The configuration SQL database has a domain admin user setup that has access to both servers. This part is confusing me. What configuration database? And what are the "both servers" that you refer to? ??? MOSS is on 1 box and SQL Server is on another box.? There is a network user that has domain administration on both servers. Also, there are two places you should look for MOSS errors: a) Windows Event Log b) MOSS has a tracing log (by default I think the log is in %systemdrive%\program files\common files\microsoft shared\web server extensions\12\logs) Cheers Ken -- * * Please support the community that supports you.? * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From jayturley at gmail.com Wed Aug 19 13:14:14 2009 From: jayturley at gmail.com (Jay Turley) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 11:14:14 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Differing SQL Server Versions and Backups Message-ID: <61ed1fc20908191114v20e51e36qdf5cbdfb36161f0f@mail.gmail.com> Hi all- A long-time client (heck my recent employer 'till I went freelance a few months ago) is using a proprietary web application I built and continue to maintain. The database used is SQL Server. Our in-house development and staging servers are SQL Server 2000 SP4. Frequently I would use DTS to pull down the production data from our web host, as they too used SQL Server 2000. This was critical to performing bug analysis and fixes without affecting production data or code. Recently they upgraded to SQL Server 2005. As a result, DTS no longer works. I can get backups of the database using a tool they provide called myLittleBackup. However, I have no idea how to get this data into our testing and staging servers since they are running SQL Server 2000 instead of SQL Server 2005. Any ideas? I'm kind of stumped. Thanks! -Jay Turley From judah at wiredotter.com Wed Aug 19 14:27:57 2009 From: judah at wiredotter.com (Judah McAuley) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 12:27:57 -0700 Subject: [thelist] seeking comments and feedback on ejunkie for a non-list friend In-Reply-To: <619d00930908180625r66e9ff81paa88163f5375ab1a@mail.gmail.com> References: <619d00930908180625r66e9ff81paa88163f5375ab1a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Musician friend of mine really likes BandCamp. It seems like a very cool website and business model and very much focused on music. I don't know if they support download purchase of non-audio files but it would probably be worth shooting them an email, they seem like the sort that would ponder the best way to help your friend out. Cheers, Judah On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 6:25 AM, Joel Canfield wrote: > my good friend Charlie Cheney needs a way to sell his Indie Band Manager > software and his own MP3s via download. he's been doing physical product for > software and music until now. > he's pretty web savvy, but has no ecommerce experience that I know of. > > how's ejunkie? any alternatives he should check out? anyone willing to > engage in conversation with him offlist about it? > > thanks muchly > > joel > > -- > Joel at Bizba6.com > http://BusinessHeretics.com/ > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. ?* * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From pieter at roosensdesign.com Wed Aug 19 14:48:00 2009 From: pieter at roosensdesign.com (Pieter Roosens) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 21:48:00 +0200 Subject: [thelist] seeking comments and feedback on ejunkie for a non-list friend In-Reply-To: <619d00930908180625r66e9ff81paa88163f5375ab1a@mail.gmail.com> References: <619d00930908180625r66e9ff81paa88163f5375ab1a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Op 18-aug-09, om 15:25 heeft Joel Canfield het volgende geschreven: > my good friend Charlie Cheney needs a way to sell his Indie Band > Manager > software and his own MP3s via download. he's been doing physical > product for > software and music until now. > he's pretty web savvy, but has no ecommerce experience that I know of. > > how's ejunkie? any alternatives he should check out? anyone willing to > engage in conversation with him offlist about it? > > thanks muchly A few years ago, I compared (and read user comments) the most popular systems to sell digital and tangible stuff on the web and I ended up with e-junkie. So far it works flawlessly. Works for pdf, mp3, almost anything. Until now, we used it only for digital files. Pieter From JGERSTEN at lchb.com Wed Aug 19 16:02:10 2009 From: JGERSTEN at lchb.com (Gersten, John) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 14:02:10 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Blog URLs - single blog domain or multiple? References: <61ed1fc20908191114v20e51e36qdf5cbdfb36161f0f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3CBA52B9335F054FB6D2E68618E018C60762AF97@sfmail01.lchb.com> We have been advised by several different people that from a search optimization point of view, it is best to position commentary blogs on a separate domain from one's main corporate domain. For example, if one's main company website was www.universalwidgets.com, a blog about industry trends should not be positioned at www.universalwidgets.com/blog, but rather at a separate domain such as www.widgetsblog.com. This seems sensible enough; our problem comes with the prospect of multiple blogs. Does anyone have any sense of an optimum approach when creating more than one "parallel" blog? The choice to us seems to be between: Approach #1: www.widgetsblogs.com/legalblog www.widgetsblogs.com/productblog www.widgetsblogs.com/runningawidgetcompany etc. vs. Approach #2: www.widgetslegalblog.com www.widgetsproductblog.com www.widgetsrunningawidgetco.com etc.? Obviously there would be slightly higher costs and housekeeping on Approach #2, but we're happy to go that way if putting all the blogs under a single domain would have negative consequences in terms of search-friendliness. Any info/opinions anyone might provide will be greatly appreciated. Thanks! From Ken at adOpenStatic.com Wed Aug 19 21:16:17 2009 From: Ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 12:16:17 +1000 Subject: [thelist] Differing SQL Server Versions and Backups In-Reply-To: <61ed1fc20908191114v20e51e36qdf5cbdfb36161f0f@mail.gmail.com> References: <61ed1fc20908191114v20e51e36qdf5cbdfb36161f0f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: DTS replaced with SISS - you could use that... Alternatively restore the database backups, but to a different name, and then DTS in the data from the temporary database to your permanent database. Cheers Ken -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Jay Turley Sent: Thursday, 20 August 2009 2:14 AM To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: [thelist] Differing SQL Server Versions and Backups Hi all- A long-time client (heck my recent employer 'till I went freelance a few months ago) is using a proprietary web application I built and continue to maintain. The database used is SQL Server. Our in-house development and staging servers are SQL Server 2000 SP4. Frequently I would use DTS to pull down the production data from our web host, as they too used SQL Server 2000. This was critical to performing bug analysis and fixes without affecting production data or code. Recently they upgraded to SQL Server 2005. As a result, DTS no longer works. I can get backups of the database using a tool they provide called myLittleBackup. However, I have no idea how to get this data into our testing and staging servers since they are running SQL Server 2000 instead of SQL Server 2005. Any ideas? I'm kind of stumped. From anthony at baratta.com Wed Aug 19 21:17:32 2009 From: anthony at baratta.com (Anthony Baratta) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 19:17:32 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Differing SQL Server Versions and Backups In-Reply-To: <61ed1fc20908191114v20e51e36qdf5cbdfb36161f0f@mail.gmail.com> References: <61ed1fc20908191114v20e51e36qdf5cbdfb36161f0f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A8CB23C.3030100@baratta.com> I would upgrade if you get the chance, but in the meantime - why not run MS SQL Express 2005? With MS SQL Studio Manager you should be able to take the backups and import them into Express 2005. Or whatever myLittleBackup does with the data. That should band-aid it for a while. -- Anthony Baratta The world I believe is far too serious, and being far too serious, it has need of a wise and merry philosophy. ? Lin Yutang From confusticate at gmail.com Wed Aug 19 21:54:31 2009 From: confusticate at gmail.com (confusticate at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 12:54:31 +1000 Subject: [thelist] Ordered lists WITHOUT fullstop after number? Message-ID: Hey list, This is turning out to be more complex than I thought. Instead of having the following style for ordered lists... 1. Partridge in a pear tree 2. Two turtle doves, and a partridge in a pear tree. 3. Three french hens, two turtle doves, and a partridge in a pear tree. ... the style I have to follow should look more like: 1 Partridge in a pear tree 2 Two turtle doves, and a partridge in a pear tree. 3 Three french hens, two turtle doves, and a partridge in a pear tree. Yes, that's right. Exactly the same, but without the full stop after the list number. As far as I can tell, there is no simple CSS option to "turn off" the full stop. Would anyone have any suggestions on how to achieve this? Much appreciated, thank you. CB. From Ken at adOpenStatic.com Wed Aug 19 21:20:50 2009 From: Ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 12:20:50 +1000 Subject: [thelist] MOSS 2007 Configuration Problem In-Reply-To: <883394.43827.qm@web81003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <821922.38421.qm@web81006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <883394.43827.qm@web81003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi, I'm not really sure you're answering my question :-) Anyway, I'd just uninstall WSS - the MOSS installation will handle that for you. Get this document: http://office.microsoft.com/download/afile.aspx?AssetID=AM102339531033 as it gives you a list of all the users and the rights they need. Setup accounts as required. I read the first link below (the datasprings.com one) and it seems to be pretty good. If you are getting a "can't connect to configuration database" error during the running of the MOSS 2007 setup, then it's most likely a permissions problem in SQL Server. Cheers Ken -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of j s Sent: Wednesday, 19 August 2009 11:08 PM To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: Re: [thelist] MOSS 2007 Configuration Problem Thanks for responding.? I will check windows event log and the MOSS tracing log. My server guy started setting up MOSS and ran into trouble - then he handed it over to me.? I will be administrating it.? I set up?WSS 3.0 with SQLExpress successfully.?To finish the installation I used these 2 sites for reference.? http://www.datasprings.com/Resources/ArticlesInformation/OverviewonInstallingSharepoint2007/tabid/774/language/en-US/Default.aspx http://www.pptspaces.com/sharepointreporterblog/Lists/Posts/Post.aspx?ID=28 JS ----- Original Message ---- From: Ken Schaefer To: "thelist at lists.evolt.org" Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 10:36:28 PM Subject: Re: [thelist] MOSS 2007 Configuration Problem -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of j s Sent: Wednesday, 19 August 2009 4:20 AM To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: [thelist] MOSS 2007 Configuration Problem > Anyone out there good with setup of MOSS 2007?? I'm getting an error - > that I can't track down an answer for.? "Cannot connect to the configuration database." MOSS 2007 setup creates a Shared_Config database. Seems like your MOSS server can't connect to that anymore (e.g. it's not there, or your installation account or the MOSS Farm account can't connect to it) > Created Farm with SQL server and a Windows 2008 server.? The default "SharedServices1" has an error: > (Provisioning failed: The SELECT permission was denied on the object > 'sysusers', database 'mssqlsystemresource', schema 'sys'.) Where are you seeing this error? ???I see this error from the Central Adminstration site, On the left side menu it has ??? ??? ??? Central Administration / Operations / Application Management ??? ??? ??? Shared Services Administration / SharedServices1? <--? When I click on Shared Services Administration (not SharedServices1)? then I see ??? ??? ??? ??? Manage this Farm's Shared Services ??? ??? ??? ??? X? SharedServices1(Default) (Provisioning failed: The SELECT permission was denied on the object 'sysusers', database 'mssqlsystemresource', schema 'sys'.) > The configuration SQL database has a domain admin user setup that has access to both servers. This part is confusing me. What configuration database? And what are the "both servers" that you refer to? ??? MOSS is on 1 box and SQL Server is on another box.? There is a network user that has domain administration on both servers. Also, there are two places you should look for MOSS errors: a) Windows Event Log b) MOSS has a tracing log (by default I think the log is in %systemdrive%\program files\common files\microsoft shared\web server extensions\12\logs) Cheers Ken -- * * Please support the community that supports you.? * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From evolt_org at striderweb.com Wed Aug 19 23:17:45 2009 From: evolt_org at striderweb.com (Stephen Rider) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 23:17:45 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Blog URLs - single blog domain or multiple? In-Reply-To: <3CBA52B9335F054FB6D2E68618E018C60762AF97@sfmail01.lchb.com> References: <61ed1fc20908191114v20e51e36qdf5cbdfb36161f0f@mail.gmail.com> <3CBA52B9335F054FB6D2E68618E018C60762AF97@sfmail01.lchb.com> Message-ID: <355521E5-E57C-4DDE-89D1-E90660210394@striderweb.com> It is my understanding that search engines like sites that update regularly. Thus, it follows that a blog is *good* for your domain, not bad. What reasons do these people give for why blogs would be bad? It's news to me. That being said, if you want to separate them, there's another option: subdomains legal.widgetsblogs.com product.widgetsblog.com company.widgetsblog.com However, I see no reason not to just put them on your main site. Stephen On Aug 19, 2009, at 4:02 PM, Gersten, John wrote: > We have been advised by several different people that from a search > optimization point of view, it is best to position commentary blogs > on a separate domain from one's main corporate domain. > > For example, if one's main company website was www.universalwidgets.com > , a blog about industry trends should not be positioned at www.universalwidgets.com/blog > , but rather at a separate domain such as www.widgetsblog.com. This > seems sensible enough; our problem comes with the prospect of > multiple blogs. > > Does anyone have any sense of an optimum approach when creating more > than one "parallel" blog? The choice to us seems to be between: From JGERSTEN at lchb.com Thu Aug 20 00:43:12 2009 From: JGERSTEN at lchb.com (Gersten, John) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 22:43:12 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Blog URLs - single blog domain or multiple? References: <61ed1fc20908191114v20e51e36qdf5cbdfb36161f0f@mail.gmail.com><3CBA52B9335F054FB6D2E68618E018C60762AF97@sfmail01.lchb.com> <355521E5-E57C-4DDE-89D1-E90660210394@striderweb.com> Message-ID: <3CBA52B9335F054FB6D2E68618E018C60762AFA1@sfmail01.lchb.com> It's not that blogs are bad at all, quite the contrary. The concerns relate to possibly shooting ourselves in the collective digital foot vis a vis search engine friendliness/optimization and to potentially confusing some visitors. Thus, the most prominent reason given was an advantage in having numerous natural links across multiple domains rather than running entirely amidst a single domain. Another argument was that since the blog sites by their nature tend to look very different from (and be more focused than) the corporate site, there would be less chance of confusing visitors since they'd be likely to see/think "different domain, sure, different look/feel makes sense." We are considering subdomains, but the concern is that use thereof would entail the same perceived disadvantages as having everything on a single domain. -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org on behalf of Stephen Rider Sent: Wed 8/19/09 21:17 To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: Re: [thelist] Blog URLs - single blog domain or multiple? It is my understanding that search engines like sites that update regularly. Thus, it follows that a blog is *good* for your domain, not bad. What reasons do these people give for why blogs would be bad? It's news to me. That being said, if you want to separate them, there's another option: subdomains legal.widgetsblogs.com product.widgetsblog.com company.widgetsblog.com However, I see no reason not to just put them on your main site. Stephen On Aug 19, 2009, at 4:02 PM, Gersten, John wrote: > We have been advised by several different people that from a search > optimization point of view, it is best to position commentary blogs > on a separate domain from one's main corporate domain. > > For example, if one's main company website was www.universalwidgets.com > , a blog about industry trends should not be positioned at www.universalwidgets.com/blog > , but rather at a separate domain such as www.widgetsblog.com. This > seems sensible enough; our problem comes with the prospect of > multiple blogs. > > Does anyone have any sense of an optimum approach when creating more > than one "parallel" blog? The choice to us seems to be between: -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From symeon at systasis.com Thu Aug 20 03:58:52 2009 From: symeon at systasis.com (=?utf-8?Q?Symeon=20Charalabides?=) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 08:58:52 +0000 Subject: [thelist] =?utf-8?q?Ordered_lists_WITHOUT_fullstop_after_number?= =?utf-8?q?=3F?= Message-ID: <20090820085852.2675.qmail@station187.com> There is no HTML/CSS way to remove the full stop after the list marker. If you absolutely must have no full stop there, you'll have to remove the list altogether, turn the list items into paragraphs and style the number that starts them accordignly. However, you will be losing the semantic value of a list that way. Personally, I would push to have the list stay as it is and advise the person who wants the full stop removed to not be so anal. > As far as I can tell, there is no simple CSS option to "turn off" the > full stop. Would anyone have any suggestions on how to achieve this? Symeon Charalabides (cosmopolite trainee) ----------------------------------------- http://www.systasis.com http://twitter.com/bluesymeon http://www.linkedin.com/in/symeon http://www.last.fm/user/bluesymeon From jason.handby at corestar.co.uk Thu Aug 20 04:03:37 2009 From: jason.handby at corestar.co.uk (Jason Handby) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 10:03:37 +0100 Subject: [thelist] Ordered lists WITHOUT fullstop after number? In-Reply-To: <20090820085852.2675.qmail@station187.com> References: <20090820085852.2675.qmail@station187.com> Message-ID: <9A50776858A21848A96469CDFCBCDEFF0267F6CA@exch-be12.exchange.local> > However, you will be losing the semantic value of a list that way. > Personally, I would push to have the list stay as it is and advise the > person who wants the full stop removed to not be so anal. Arguably it's anal to care more about the semantic value of a list than about how a client wants a page to look? I'm just sayin' :-) Jason From morrison.ben at gmail.com Thu Aug 20 04:27:10 2009 From: morrison.ben at gmail.com (ben morrison) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 10:27:10 +0100 Subject: [thelist] Ordered lists WITHOUT fullstop after number? In-Reply-To: <9A50776858A21848A96469CDFCBCDEFF0267F6CA@exch-be12.exchange.local> References: <20090820085852.2675.qmail@station187.com> <9A50776858A21848A96469CDFCBCDEFF0267F6CA@exch-be12.exchange.local> Message-ID: <6073aef90908200227o34af8569hf1fc71d1e4f3426@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 10:03 AM, Jason Handby wrote: >> However, you will be losing the semantic value of a list that way. >> Personally, I would push to have the list stay as it is and advise the >> person who wants the full stop removed to not be so anal. > > Arguably it's anal to care more about the semantic value of a list than about how a client wants a page to look? I'm just sayin' :-) I would disagree, but anyway it's possible to keep the semantics and hide the list-style-type and add in your own numbering with some css positioning. ben -- Ben Morrison From randalrust at gmail.com Thu Aug 20 05:27:01 2009 From: randalrust at gmail.com (Randal Rust) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 06:27:01 -0400 Subject: [thelist] Blog URLs - single blog domain or multiple? In-Reply-To: <3CBA52B9335F054FB6D2E68618E018C60762AFA1@sfmail01.lchb.com> References: <61ed1fc20908191114v20e51e36qdf5cbdfb36161f0f@mail.gmail.com> <3CBA52B9335F054FB6D2E68618E018C60762AF97@sfmail01.lchb.com> <355521E5-E57C-4DDE-89D1-E90660210394@striderweb.com> <3CBA52B9335F054FB6D2E68618E018C60762AFA1@sfmail01.lchb.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Gersten, John wrote: > It's not that blogs are bad at all, quite the contrary. The concerns relate to possibly shooting ourselves in the collective digital foot vis a vis search engine friendliness/optimization and to potentially confusing some visitors. If the issue is around the idea of multiple blogs, then consider giving each of them a unique name... www.example.com/aviation-law/ www.example.com/environmental-law/ ...not only does this provide a usable path for the person visiting the site, it stuffs keywords into the URL. I have not seen any statistics, but my thought would be that a subdomain is a bit more difficult for someone to remember if they don't have it written down. My experience has always been that if you do right by usability, you will do right by organic search engine rankings. -- Randal Rust R.Squared Communications www.r2communications.com 614-370-0036 From symeon at systasis.com Thu Aug 20 04:21:25 2009 From: symeon at systasis.com (=?utf-8?Q?Symeon=20Charalabides?=) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 09:21:25 +0000 Subject: [thelist] =?utf-8?q?Ordered_lists_WITHOUT_fullstop_after_number?= =?utf-8?q?=3F?= Message-ID: <20090820092125.20942.qmail@station187.com> > Arguably it's anal to care more about the semantic value of a list than about how a client wants a page to look? > I'm just sayin' :-) Touch?, Jason. Touch?. Personally, I do find it much more important that a dot that will never net or lose you a single pageview. In contrast, a simple list item instead of a paragraph with a SPAN inside it means marginally higher text/markup ration which *could* marginally impact your SR placement, which *may* someday net you an extra visitor. This is a negligible difference obviously and should come down to other factors, like the context of the website. But all things being equal... I'm just saying too ;-) Symeon Charalabides (cosmopolite trainee) ----------------------------------------- http://www.systasis.com http://twitter.com/bluesymeon http://www.linkedin.com/in/symeon http://www.last.fm/user/bluesymeon From bobm at dottedi.biz Thu Aug 20 08:31:40 2009 From: bobm at dottedi.biz (Bob Meetin) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 07:31:40 -0600 Subject: [thelist] Blog URLs - single blog domain or multiple? In-Reply-To: References: <61ed1fc20908191114v20e51e36qdf5cbdfb36161f0f@mail.gmail.com> <3CBA52B9335F054FB6D2E68618E018C60762AF97@sfmail01.lchb.com> <355521E5-E57C-4DDE-89D1-E90660210394@striderweb.com> <3CBA52B9335F054FB6D2E68618E018C60762AFA1@sfmail01.lchb.com> Message-ID: <4A8D503C.7060908@dottedi.biz> Randal Rust wrote: > On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Gersten, John wrote: > >> It's not that blogs are bad at all, quite the contrary. The concerns relate to possibly shooting ourselves in the collective digital foot vis a vis search engine friendliness/optimization and to potentially confusing some visitors >> >> If the issue is around the idea of multiple blogs, then consider >> giving each of them a unique name... >> >> www.example.com/aviation-law/ >> www.example.com/environmental-law/ >> >> ...not only does this provide a usable path for the person visiting >> the site, it stuffs keywords into the URL. I have not seen any >> statistics, but my thought would be that a subdomain is a bit more >> difficult for someone to remember if they don't have it written down. >> >> My experience has always been that if you do right by usability, you >> will do right by organic search engine rankings. I would stay with the simplest implementation such as your example and avoid subdomains. However from what I have read on the SEO forum I follow (highrankings.com), keyword-rich URL's don't do much for SEO purposes. It's sure easier to remember and easier on the eyes, but as they will get bookmarked anyhow, does it matter? Usability rocks either way. I "just" implemented for the first time corephp's multi-user wordpress blog component for joomla on one of my sites. By default the only differentiation is a different ID. So long as whatever blog application you use includes the ability to customize the page title and description you should be fine. -Bob From willthemoor at gmail.com Thu Aug 20 11:36:48 2009 From: willthemoor at gmail.com (Will) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 09:36:48 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Ordered lists WITHOUT fullstop after number? In-Reply-To: <20090820092125.20942.qmail@station187.com> References: <20090820092125.20942.qmail@station187.com> Message-ID: <2506fbd50908200936u52969237ob7c47dc28e9758be@mail.gmail.com> I'd keep it an OL, then use JS to list-style-type: none them as well as insert the spans with the new numbers. If the user doesn't have js, they get dots but it still makes sense and you're not mucking with the document source. On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 2:21 AM, Symeon Charalabides wrote: >> ?Arguably it's anal to care more about the semantic value of a list than about how a client wants a page to look? >> I'm just sayin' :-) > > Touch?, Jason. Touch?. > > Personally, I do find it much more important that a dot that will never net or lose you a single pageview. In contrast, a simple list item instead of a paragraph with a SPAN inside it means marginally higher text/markup ration which *could* marginally impact your SR placement, which *may* someday net you an extra visitor. > > This is a negligible difference obviously and should come down to other factors, like the context of the website. But all things being equal... I'm just saying too ;-) > > Symeon Charalabides (cosmopolite trainee) > ----------------------------------------- > http://www.systasis.com > http://twitter.com/bluesymeon > http://www.linkedin.com/in/symeon > http://www.last.fm/user/bluesymeon > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. ?* * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! From jayturley at gmail.com Thu Aug 20 14:43:03 2009 From: jayturley at gmail.com (Jay Turley) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 12:43:03 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Differing SQL Server Versions and Backups In-Reply-To: <4A8CB23C.3030100@baratta.com> References: <61ed1fc20908191114v20e51e36qdf5cbdfb36161f0f@mail.gmail.com> <4A8CB23C.3030100@baratta.com> Message-ID: <61ed1fc20908201243u2015b7c4n45b614ca08ab4694@mail.gmail.com> Thanks, Ken and Anthony! So, if I'm hearing you fellows right, what you are saying is: 1) Install SQL Server Express 2005 on my dev machine 2) Use SQL Studio Manager Express to load the SQL Server backup from my webhost into SSE 2005 It's step 3 that gets me. My ideal would be to be able to get that data into SQL Server 2000 on my dev machine. But from what you have said it seems like I should 3) Connect my dev/staging apps to the new SQL Server Express 2005 I installed in (1) above, or 3) Somehow get my data from SQL Server 2005 to SQL Server 2000 (write a quick data xfer app?) Thanks for any further thoughts! -Jay On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 7:17 PM, Anthony Baratta wrote: > I would upgrade if you get the chance, but in the meantime - why not run > MS SQL Express 2005? With MS SQL Studio Manager you should be able to > take the backups and import them into Express 2005. Or whatever > myLittleBackup does with the data. > > That should band-aid it for a while. > > > -- > Anthony Baratta > > The world I believe is far too serious, and being far too serious, it > has need of a wise and merry philosophy. > ? Lin Yutang > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From anthony at baratta.com Thu Aug 20 16:52:49 2009 From: anthony at baratta.com (Anthony Baratta) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 14:52:49 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Differing SQL Server Versions and Backups Message-ID: <08551c9ec9eb9aaec7aca028422457e0@baratta.com> Yes to all of the above. If you have access to the Production SQL Server via Studio Mangager, Ken is suggesting you use Studio Manager (Export or SSIS) to get your data and copy it down to SQL 2000. I was assuming you only had the backup file and no direct access to the Production Server. If only the backup file, import into SQL Express and attach your apps to that. Or then use Studio Manager to migrate your data from 2005 to 2000. I wouldn't recommend the 2005 -> 2000 migration path because Studio Manager is horribly broken when it comes to moving data and stored procedures between servers using the data export wizard. SSIS might be better - currently don't use it for that. Side joke for the South Park Aficionados: Step 1 - MS SQL 2005 Step 2 - Step 3 - Profit From jcorry.lists at gmail.com Thu Aug 20 16:55:17 2009 From: jcorry.lists at gmail.com (John Corry) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:55:17 -0400 Subject: [thelist] cross browser
float weirdness Message-ID: <92de8b7b0908201455m2a4f8f76m19c7ccaa8986e1ee@mail.gmail.com> I'm desperate here... I thought I'd followed all of the tips/tutorials for CSS layouts. Works great in FF on OS X, Chromium on OS X, Safari on OS X. IE on windows, however, barfs. See how the divs containing the thumbnails and their descriptive

are float: left, clear: right. That should make them wrap, right? So when they fill a row and run into the end of the element they're in, they wrap to the next row. In IE though, there's a fourth image that displays underneath the right column. Why? http://mauiestaterental.com/estates-villas/wailea-beach-villas/Golden-Mandarin-D102/Image-Gallery.html I'm mostly a PHP guy and not a cross-browser limitation expert. Anyone care to give me a hand troubleshooting? -- John Corry PHP developer - 3by400, Inc http://www.3by400.com From matt at ledeir.com Thu Aug 20 18:12:31 2009 From: matt at ledeir.com (m riedel) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 19:12:31 -0400 Subject: [thelist] Ordered lists WITHOUT fullstop after number? References: <20090820085852.2675.qmail@station187.com><9A50776858A21848A96469CDFCBCDEFF0267F6CA@exch-be12.exchange.local> <6073aef90908200227o34af8569hf1fc71d1e4f3426@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <69F7B7F2D95B48008AA8269DEAA5A338@acer330bb84976> A thought -- If the list is not dynamic, and never changes, just use a picture. It's not sexy, It's dumb, it's brute force, and you don't get to show your coding chops, but it gets the job done 90% of the time. And it always looks just the way that you/the client want. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ben morrison" To: Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 5:27 AM Subject: Re: [thelist] Ordered lists WITHOUT fullstop after number? > On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 10:03 AM, Jason > Handby wrote: >>> However, you will be losing the semantic value of a list that way. >>> Personally, I would push to have the list stay as it is and advise the >>> person who wants the full stop removed to not be so anal. >> >> Arguably it's anal to care more about the semantic value of a list than >> about how a client wants a page to look? I'm just sayin' :-) > > I would disagree, but anyway it's possible to keep the semantics and > hide the list-style-type and add in your own numbering with some css > positioning. > > ben > > -- > Ben Morrison > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From matt at ledeir.com Thu Aug 20 18:31:53 2009 From: matt at ledeir.com (m riedel) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 19:31:53 -0400 Subject: [thelist] cross browser

float weirdness References: <92de8b7b0908201455m2a4f8f76m19c7ccaa8986e1ee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: The only thing that I see that is troubling (at least to my eye) is the long unbroken line beginning at
    (sorry, no line numbers - I got lazy). IE will render differently if things are on one line versus multiple lines. What this has to do with messing up the image order is beyond me, but I've learned to expect the unexpected in cross-browser/cross-platform HTML. Also, the long line makes it hard to manually parse and debug. [yes, I have the white beard, but no red suspenders!] ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Corry" To: Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 5:55 PM Subject: [thelist] cross browser
    float weirdness > I'm desperate here... > > I thought I'd followed all of the tips/tutorials for CSS layouts. Works > great in FF on OS X, Chromium on OS X, Safari on OS X. > > IE on windows, however, barfs. See how the divs containing the thumbnails > and their descriptive

    are float: left, clear: right. That should make > them wrap, right? So when they fill a row and run into the end of the > element they're in, they wrap to the next row. > > In IE though, there's a fourth image that displays underneath the right > column. > > Why? > > http://mauiestaterental.com/estates-villas/wailea-beach-villas/Golden-Mandarin-D102/Image-Gallery.html > > I'm mostly a PHP guy and not a cross-browser limitation expert. > > Anyone care to give me a hand troubleshooting? > > -- > John Corry > PHP developer - 3by400, Inc > http://www.3by400.com > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From jcorry.lists at gmail.com Thu Aug 20 18:39:14 2009 From: jcorry.lists at gmail.com (John Corry) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 19:39:14 -0400 Subject: [thelist] cross browser

    float weirdness In-Reply-To: References: <92de8b7b0908201455m2a4f8f76m19c7ccaa8986e1ee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <92de8b7b0908201639j6cd665c1vd634f749c084d196@mail.gmail.com> That, unfortunately, is part of the output from Joomla's templating system... I guess I could go dig through the template files to see if I can find where that's happening and add some line breaks...but that seems like sort of a long shot for fixing my problem. John On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 7:31 PM, m riedel wrote: > The only thing that I see that is troubling (at least to my eye) is the > long > unbroken line beginning at
      (sorry, no line numbers - I > got lazy). IE will render differently if things are on one line versus > multiple lines. > > What this has to do with messing up the image order is beyond me, but I've > learned to expect the unexpected in cross-browser/cross-platform HTML. > > Also, the long line makes it hard to manually parse and debug. [yes, I have > the white beard, but no red suspenders!] From rob at rob-n-steph.net Thu Aug 20 19:06:23 2009 From: rob at rob-n-steph.net (Robert Lee) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 20:06:23 -0400 Subject: [thelist] cross browser
      float weirdness In-Reply-To: <92de8b7b0908201639j6cd665c1vd634f749c084d196@mail.gmail.com> References: <92de8b7b0908201455m2a4f8f76m19c7ccaa8986e1ee@mail.gmail.com> <92de8b7b0908201639j6cd665c1vd634f749c084d196@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000901ca21f3$3976b190$ac6414b0$@net> Not sure what's causing the issue, but you may be find it easier to track the issue down from the raw html. I have used this trick in the past with dynamic content: Grab the html from view / source and use it to create a new test html page in a location that can see the theme and images (the root of the site should do) You can also do a quick search and replaces to get the full URL to images and what not, in order to test on the local machine. Then you can tweak that one html page and quickly see if something (like breaking the line up) does indeed change the layout. If I'm not clear post and I'll try to do a better job explaining what I mean. HTH, Rob -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of John Corry Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 7:39 PM To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: Re: [thelist] cross browser
      float weirdness That, unfortunately, is part of the output from Joomla's templating system... I guess I could go dig through the template files to see if I can find where that's happening and add some line breaks...but that seems like sort of a long shot for fixing my problem. John On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 7:31 PM, m riedel wrote: > The only thing that I see that is troubling (at least to my eye) is the > long > unbroken line beginning at
        (sorry, no line numbers - I > got lazy). IE will render differently if things are on one line versus > multiple lines. > > What this has to do with messing up the image order is beyond me, but I've > learned to expect the unexpected in cross-browser/cross-platform HTML. > > Also, the long line makes it hard to manually parse and debug. [yes, I have > the white beard, but no red suspenders!] -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From jcorry.lists at gmail.com Thu Aug 20 19:10:24 2009 From: jcorry.lists at gmail.com (John Corry) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 20:10:24 -0400 Subject: [thelist] cross browser
        float weirdness In-Reply-To: <000901ca21f3$3976b190$ac6414b0$@net> References: <92de8b7b0908201455m2a4f8f76m19c7ccaa8986e1ee@mail.gmail.com> <92de8b7b0908201639j6cd665c1vd634f749c084d196@mail.gmail.com> <000901ca21f3$3976b190$ac6414b0$@net> Message-ID: <92de8b7b0908201710x558bb68fx7b1c275e2ed84bec@mail.gmail.com> Yeah, Actually...Firebug lets you do the same thing. I'm just at a loss for what to tweak! It's so simple: a series of divs float left and clear right. Thanks for the tip... John On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 8:06 PM, Robert Lee wrote: > Not sure what's causing the issue, but you may be find it easier to track > the issue down from the raw html. I have used this trick in the past with > dynamic content: > > Grab the html from view / source and use it to create a new test html page > in a location that can see the theme and images (the root of the site > should > do) You can also do a quick search and replaces to get the full URL to > images and what not, in order to test on the local machine. > > Then you can tweak that one html page and quickly see if something (like > breaking the line up) does indeed change the layout. > > If I'm not clear post and I'll try to do a better job explaining what I > mean. > > HTH, > Rob > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org > [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of John Corry > Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 7:39 PM > To: thelist at lists.evolt.org > Subject: Re: [thelist] cross browser
        float weirdness > > That, unfortunately, is part of the output from Joomla's templating > system... > I guess I could go dig through the template files to see if I can find > where > that's happening and add some line breaks...but that seems like sort of a > long shot for fixing my problem. > > John > > On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 7:31 PM, m riedel wrote: > > > The only thing that I see that is troubling (at least to my eye) is the > > long > > unbroken line beginning at
          (sorry, no line numbers - > I > > got lazy). IE will render differently if things are on one line versus > > multiple lines. > > > > What this has to do with messing up the image order is beyond me, but > I've > > learned to expect the unexpected in cross-browser/cross-platform HTML. > > > > Also, the long line makes it hard to manually parse and debug. [yes, I > have > > the white beard, but no red suspenders!] > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > -- John Corry PHP developer - 3by400, Inc http://www.3by400.com From lists at snadden.com Thu Aug 20 19:31:39 2009 From: lists at snadden.com (Tim Snadden) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 12:31:39 +1200 Subject: [thelist] cross browser
          float weirdness In-Reply-To: <92de8b7b0908201455m2a4f8f76m19c7ccaa8986e1ee@mail.gmail.com> References: <92de8b7b0908201455m2a4f8f76m19c7ccaa8986e1ee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <99CD984F-AC97-4FB7-ADFD-3EB55E0B949F@snadden.com> On 21/08/2009, at 9:55 AM, John Corry wrote: > I'm desperate here... > > I thought I'd followed all of the tips/tutorials for CSS layouts. > Works > great in FF on OS X, Chromium on OS X, Safari on OS X. > > IE on windows, however, barfs. See how the divs containing the > thumbnails > and their descriptive

          are float: left, clear: right. That should > make > them wrap, right? So when they fill a row and run into the end of the > element they're in, they wrap to the next row. > > In IE though, there's a fourth image that displays underneath the > right > column. > > Why? > > http://mauiestaterental.com/estates-villas/wailea-beach-villas/Golden-Mandarin-D102/Image-Gallery.html > > I'm mostly a PHP guy and not a cross-browser limitation expert. > > Anyone care to give me a hand troubleshooting? Hi John - Try fixing your HTML first. Most of the problems are probably innocuous from a rendering point of view but if you clean them out if may be more apparent what's going on. You don't need those tables! Cheers, Tim From jcorry.lists at gmail.com Thu Aug 20 22:12:14 2009 From: jcorry.lists at gmail.com (John Corry) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 23:12:14 -0400 Subject: [thelist] cross browser

          float weirdness In-Reply-To: <99CD984F-AC97-4FB7-ADFD-3EB55E0B949F@snadden.com> References: <92de8b7b0908201455m2a4f8f76m19c7ccaa8986e1ee@mail.gmail.com> <99CD984F-AC97-4FB7-ADFD-3EB55E0B949F@snadden.com> Message-ID: <92de8b7b0908202012s4e2f1928jf9f0faf60e94aa1f@mail.gmail.com> What a mess. The site is Joomla...with a template from RocketTheme that is mostly error free. The errors were all in my image gallery code which was script generated from a bunch of XML files. I found a lot of double quotes in strings that are used as alt attributes. OK, clean up to do...I'll work on that and come back when the HTML is good... Thanks John Corry On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Tim Snadden wrote: > > On 21/08/2009, at 9:55 AM, John Corry wrote: > > > I'm desperate here... > > > > I thought I'd followed all of the tips/tutorials for CSS layouts. > > Works > > great in FF on OS X, Chromium on OS X, Safari on OS X. > > > > IE on windows, however, barfs. See how the divs containing the > > thumbnails > > and their descriptive

          are float: left, clear: right. That should > > make > > them wrap, right? So when they fill a row and run into the end of the > > element they're in, they wrap to the next row. > > > > In IE though, there's a fourth image that displays underneath the > > right > > column. > > > > Why? > > > > > http://mauiestaterental.com/estates-villas/wailea-beach-villas/Golden-Mandarin-D102/Image-Gallery.html > > > > I'm mostly a PHP guy and not a cross-browser limitation expert. > > > > Anyone care to give me a hand troubleshooting? > > Hi John - Try fixing your HTML first. Most of the problems are > probably innocuous from a rendering point of view but if you clean > them out if may be more apparent what's going on. > > < > http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1&uri=http%3A%2F%2Fmauiestaterental.com%2Festates-villas%2Fwailea-beach-villas%2FGolden-Mandarin-D102%2FImage-Gallery.html > > > > You don't need those tables! > > Cheers, Tim > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > -- John Corry PHP developer - 3by400, Inc http://www.3by400.com From symeon at systasis.com Fri Aug 21 04:29:16 2009 From: symeon at systasis.com (=?utf-8?Q?Symeon=20Charalabides?=) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 09:29:16 +0000 Subject: [thelist] =?utf-8?q?_Re=3A_cross_browser_=3Cdiv=3E_float_weirdnes?= =?utf-8?q?s?= Message-ID: <20090821092916.30802.qmail@station187.com> Hi John, > > IE on windows, however, barfs. See how the divs containing the thumbnails > > and their descriptive

          are float: left, clear: right. That should make > > them wrap, right? So when they fill a row and run into the end of the > > element they're in, they wrap to the next row. > > > > In IE though, there's a fourth image that displays underneath the right > > column. > > > > Why? Because it's IE. I've found it takes less time to figure out how to fix IE's quirks than figure out why they happen. But IE's handling of floating elements is notorious. > > http://mauiestaterental.com/estates-villas/wailea-beach-villas/Golden-Mandarin-D102/Image-Gallery.html > > > > I'm mostly a PHP guy and not a cross-browser limitation expert. > > > > Anyone care to give me a hand troubleshooting? I would try specifying the width of .contentpaneopen and/or .maincol in pixels (it's set to about 640 due to the layout of the rest of the page anyway). That has a pretty good chance of getting IE to play ball. > > -- > > John Corry > > PHP developer - 3by400, Inc > > http://www.3by400.com Symeon Charalabides (cosmopolite trainee) ----------------------------------------- http://www.systasis.com http://twitter.com/bluesymeon http://www.linkedin.com/in/symeon http://www.last.fm/user/bluesymeon From admin at chrome.me.uk Fri Aug 21 12:53:25 2009 From: admin at chrome.me.uk (Chrome) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 18:53:25 +0100 Subject: [thelist] Javascript array weirdness Message-ID: <01d601ca2288$4850ec40$d8f2c4c0$@me.uk> Hi all I've got a weird problem that I genuinely can't figure out (either that or it's a Friday thing)... I have this function: objXHR.prototype.getPrice = function () { this.url = theURL; var n=theForm.elements.length; for (var i=0; i References: <01d601ca2288$4850ec40$d8f2c4c0$@me.uk> Message-ID: <4A8EF1D2.5030801@turmel.org> Chrome wrote: [snip /] > > As you can see this is meant to populate the array this.request with values > from the theForm... Problem is that the array seems to be empty... The > strange thing is if that you call the array value by its key it has the > value but if you try to iterate through it it's blank (or seems to be) > > I tried inserting a hard value of this.request[1] = 'Test'; and got the > output as [undefined, 'Test']... so I tried this.request['test'] = 'Test'; > and got [ ] > > So I tried replacing the this.request array as a locally defined array > called request... Still blank > > Anyone know what's going on? I'm about to have a sub-orbital PC at this > rate ;) > Hi Dan, The Array datatype in javascript handles property get/put differently from other objects. It supports numeric indices as a zero-based array, with automatically allocation up the highest index 'PUT' so far. That explains the two values returned after assigning to index=1. It's unclear from the copy of the Ecmascript standard I'm looking at, but it appears that Array's only iterate over their numeric indexed properties. I suspect you want to define 'request' as a simple Object, not an array. HTH, Phil Turmel -- Need to contact me offlist? Drop -webdev or you probably won't get through. From admin at chrome.me.uk Fri Aug 21 14:40:04 2009 From: admin at chrome.me.uk (Chrome) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 20:40:04 +0100 Subject: [thelist] Javascript array weirdness In-Reply-To: <4A8EF1D2.5030801@turmel.org> References: <01d601ca2288$4850ec40$d8f2c4c0$@me.uk> <4A8EF1D2.5030801@turmel.org> Message-ID: <01e601ca2297$2e805990$8b810cb0$@me.uk> > -----Original Message----- > From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist- > bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Phil Turmel > Sent: 21 August 2009 20:13 > To: thelist at lists.evolt.org > Subject: Re: [thelist] Javascript array weirdness > > Chrome wrote: > [snip /] > > > > As you can see this is meant to populate the array this.request with > values > > from the theForm... Problem is that the array seems to be empty... > The > > strange thing is if that you call the array value by its key it has > the > > value but if you try to iterate through it it's blank (or seems to > be) > > > > I tried inserting a hard value of this.request[1] = 'Test'; and got > the > > output as [undefined, 'Test']... so I tried this.request['test'] = > 'Test'; > > and got [ ] > > > > So I tried replacing the this.request array as a locally defined > array > > called request... Still blank > > > > Anyone know what's going on? I'm about to have a sub-orbital PC at > this > > rate ;) > > > > Hi Dan, > > The Array datatype in javascript handles property get/put differently > from other objects. It supports numeric indices as a zero-based array, > with automatically allocation up the highest index 'PUT' so far. That > explains the two values returned after assigning to index=1. > > It's unclear from the copy of the Ecmascript standard I'm looking at, > but it appears that Array's only iterate over their numeric indexed > properties. > > I suspect you want to define 'request' as a simple Object, not an > array. > > HTH, > > Phil Turmel Hi Phil Thanks for taking a look! However, this script is running fine on a few sites... Here's an example: http://chrome.me.uk/shopdev/ It is running on a few other people's test sites... for the loop iteration I use: for (var i in Array) { // try this on, say, the document ;) alert(Array[i]); } Arrays in JS are associative (as they are in PHP etc.) so they key really shouldn't matter... This just seems to empty the array for no reason I've been using that prototype object for XHR for a while now Any other hints or clues? Cheers Dan From jenni at theweblotus.com Fri Aug 21 20:27:17 2009 From: jenni at theweblotus.com (Jenni Beard) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 21:27:17 -0400 Subject: [thelist] Joomla anyone? also PHP randomizer? Message-ID: <0f2601ca22c7$affde9d0$0ff9bd70$@com> Hi all, Increasingly frustrated here! I posted last week while trying to make an image randomize within a CSS layout. Thanks again for the help on that. Now I have a new problem. The client wants Joomla added to the site, and has had it installed on his server (GoDaddy). I've used an Access based CMS before, but never Joomla or any other one. The CMS I was using previously, a proprietary one with the company I used to work for, was very simple to integrate with an html template. Joomla, apparently, is not. So, now I've got this great template for my site, with ASP code to make the one background image switch out. And, Joomla's main page is a php page so it won't even read my ASP code. It appears as though I have to create my template somewhat differently than my usual method, though I'm finding some workarounds for that to simplify things a little. Any suggestions? I don't know PHP at all, though I am guessing that there is a PHP function similar to that which I'm using in ASP to make the background switch out (thank you again, Brian!). Or I could use Javascript if I could figure that out. As I've mentioned previously, my web expertise is more in the marketing area, and the more technical things I am very shaky on-trying to learn, though! Thanks for any help! Jenni From nadeem at multigraphics.biz Fri Aug 21 22:10:57 2009 From: nadeem at multigraphics.biz (Nadeem Hosenbokus) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 07:10:57 +0400 Subject: [thelist] cross browser

          float weirdness In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, The display seems fine in IE8. IE7 and IE6 aren't good though. I just removed the 'clear: right;' from "DIV.gallery-image-container" and seemed fine to me in all browsers. IE hasn't been very good with 'clear' in the past. Hope this helps, Nadeem Hosenbokus Exocet Studios - a brand of Multigraphics Ltd Office: (+230) 212 6390 / 208 6499 Mobile: (+230) 254 8221 Fax: (+230) 212 6789 24 St. Georges Street, Port Louis, Mauritius -----Original Message----- Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:55:17 -0400 From: John Corry Subject: [thelist] cross browser
          float weirdness To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Message-ID: <92de8b7b0908201455m2a4f8f76m19c7ccaa8986e1ee at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'm desperate here... I thought I'd followed all of the tips/tutorials for CSS layouts. Works great in FF on OS X, Chromium on OS X, Safari on OS X. IE on windows, however, barfs. See how the divs containing the thumbnails and their descriptive

          are float: left, clear: right. That should make them wrap, right? So when they fill a row and run into the end of the element they're in, they wrap to the next row. In IE though, there's a fourth image that displays underneath the right column. Why? http://mauiestaterental.com/estates-villas/wailea-beach-villas/Golden-Mandar in-D102/Image-Gallery.html I'm mostly a PHP guy and not a cross-browser limitation expert. Anyone care to give me a hand troubleshooting? -- John Corry PHP developer - 3by400, Inc http://www.3by400.com From jcorry.lists at gmail.com Sat Aug 22 21:27:12 2009 From: jcorry.lists at gmail.com (John Corry) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 22:27:12 -0400 Subject: [thelist] POST via AJAX...where is my status? Message-ID: <92de8b7b0908221927o4cbe6717ob7345c4aa3fa56f5@mail.gmail.com> I'm through, about to throw the computer out the window (this seems to always happen when I mess with Javascript) I have this form I inherited from another developer. It's an ajax form. All of the validation is set up in javascript and the form button onclick = get(myform); which calls some javascript functions. One of the functions creates an XMLHttpRequest object for a POST request: http_request.onreadystatechange = alertContents; http_request.open('POST', url , true); http_request.setRequestHeader("Content-type", "application/x-www-form-urlencoded"); http_request.setRequestHeader("Content-length", parameters.length); http_request.setRequestHeader("Connection", "close"); http_request.send(parameters); -- John Corry PHP developer - 3by400, Inc http://www.3by400.com From jcorry.lists at gmail.com Sat Aug 22 21:33:21 2009 From: jcorry.lists at gmail.com (John Corry) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 22:33:21 -0400 Subject: [thelist] ...try again Message-ID: <92de8b7b0908221933p61e15f2cxae8bcbecc2e4ab3@mail.gmail.com> I'm through, about to throw the computer out the window (this seems to always happen when I mess with Javascript) I have this form I inherited from another developer. It's an ajax form. All of the validation is set up in javascript and the form button onclick = get(myform); which calls some javascript functions. One of the functions creates an XMLHttpRequest object for a POST request: # code to get the right kind of XMLHttpRequest object for http_request http_request.onreadystatechange = alertContents; http_request.open('POST', url , true); http_request.setRequestHeader("Content-type", "application/x-www-form-urlencoded"); http_request.setRequestHeader("Content-length", parameters.length); http_request.setRequestHeader("Connection", "close"); http_request.send(parameters); I can visit the URL I'm posting data to with my browser and the correct result is returned: status 200 OK and the page echoes a SUCCESS message. Firebug lights up with all of the watch expressions I'm looking for when I just visit the page. The code above though, when it posts it's data to the page, it gets weird. Firebug's 'net' tab shows the request and displays a 200 OK response. The 'response' and 'html' tabs don't have the result text ('SUCCESS') or anything else on them. It's like the AJAX request for the URL returns nothing. I'm pulling my hair out. The boss wants this done by Monday. The decision to do it with Ajax was not my call...I can't redesign it, just have to make this work. http://www.belmanklein.com/bda-staging/contact-us.php is the URL...hit the 'Click Here' link to bring up the form. Anyone? -- John Corry PHP developer - 3by400, Inc http://www.3by400.com From anthony at baratta.com Sat Aug 22 21:58:21 2009 From: anthony at baratta.com (Anthony Baratta) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 19:58:21 -0700 Subject: [thelist] ...try again In-Reply-To: <92de8b7b0908221933p61e15f2cxae8bcbecc2e4ab3@mail.gmail.com> References: <92de8b7b0908221933p61e15f2cxae8bcbecc2e4ab3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A90B04D.7090304@baratta.com> John Corry wrote: > http_request.open('POST', url , true); Quick and dirty check. Change the above to: http_request.open('POST', url , false); This way the browser waits for the return code instead of sending and not waiting. -- Anthony Baratta "There are only two kinds of people that understand Marines: the Marines and the enemy. Everyone else has a secondhand opinion." -- Gen. William Thornson, US Army From jayturley at gmail.com Sat Aug 22 22:03:43 2009 From: jayturley at gmail.com (Jay Turley) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 20:03:43 -0700 Subject: [thelist] ...try again In-Reply-To: <4A90B04D.7090304@baratta.com> References: <92de8b7b0908221933p61e15f2cxae8bcbecc2e4ab3@mail.gmail.com> <4A90B04D.7090304@baratta.com> Message-ID: <61ed1fc20908222003ofda54e8g6e5be867eed24@mail.gmail.com> This article might help you out. It looks like the problem might be the same-domain policy for ajax requests. You're running the script on one domain, but trying to post to a different domain. You need some sort of proxy to sit in the middle if you're gonna do stuff like that. Simple example: http://jquery-howto.blogspot.com/2009/04/cross-domain-ajax-querying-with-jquery.html Might could also use Curl library in PHP to make the request to the other domain. -Jay On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Anthony Baratta wrote: > John Corry wrote: > > http_request.open('POST', url , true); > > Quick and dirty check. Change the above to: > > http_request.open('POST', url , false); > > > This way the browser waits for the return code instead of sending and > not waiting. > > > > -- > Anthony Baratta > > "There are only two kinds of people that understand Marines: the Marines > and the enemy. Everyone else has a secondhand opinion." -- Gen. William > Thornson, US Army > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From jcorry.lists at gmail.com Sat Aug 22 22:25:58 2009 From: jcorry.lists at gmail.com (John Corry) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 23:25:58 -0400 Subject: [thelist] ...try again In-Reply-To: <61ed1fc20908222003ofda54e8g6e5be867eed24@mail.gmail.com> References: <92de8b7b0908221933p61e15f2cxae8bcbecc2e4ab3@mail.gmail.com> <4A90B04D.7090304@baratta.com> <61ed1fc20908222003ofda54e8g6e5be867eed24@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4DAD6E84-B413-41C9-BBBF-73ED834FB4F6@gmail.com> That's the problem. The awful host the site is on has php compiled -- without-curl . The whole reason I went Xsite was to send my data to a page that could use curl. Thanks for the link... J Corry Sent from my iPhone On Aug 22, 2009, at 11:03 PM, Jay Turley wrote: > This article might help you out. It looks like the problem might be > the > same-domain policy for ajax requests. You're running the > script on one domain, but trying to post to a different domain. You > need > some sort of proxy to sit in the middle if you're gonna do stuff > like that. > > Simple example: > http://jquery-howto.blogspot.com/2009/04/cross-domain-ajax-querying-with-jquery.html > > Might could also use Curl library in PHP to make the request to the > other > domain. > > -Jay > > > On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Anthony Baratta > wrote: > >> John Corry wrote: >>> http_request.open('POST', url , true); >> >> Quick and dirty check. Change the above to: >> >> http_request.open('POST', url , false); >> >> >> This way the browser waits for the return code instead of sending and >> not waiting. >> >> >> >> -- >> Anthony Baratta >> >> "There are only two kinds of people that understand Marines: the >> Marines >> and the enemy. Everyone else has a secondhand opinion." -- Gen. >> William >> Thornson, US Army >> >> -- >> >> * * Please support the community that supports you. * * >> http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ >> >> For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester >> and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org >> Workers of the Web, evolt ! >> > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! From jcorry.lists at gmail.com Sun Aug 23 11:17:21 2009 From: jcorry.lists at gmail.com (John Corry) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 12:17:21 -0400 Subject: [thelist] ...try again In-Reply-To: <4A90B04D.7090304@baratta.com> References: <92de8b7b0908221933p61e15f2cxae8bcbecc2e4ab3@mail.gmail.com> <4A90B04D.7090304@baratta.com> Message-ID: <92de8b7b0908230917h60d733c4w2896ae9e5d59b122@mail.gmail.com> That didn't work. I saw material online that suggested that calling URLs from other domains with XMLHttpRequest() is allowed as of FF 3...but that doesn't seem to be the case. The code works great as long as I'm calling a script on my domain, but fails when I try to call the script from one of our other domains. So now I'm shifting gears into looking for a cURL alternative. John On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 10:58 PM, Anthony Baratta wrote: > John Corry wrote: > > http_request.open('POST', url , true); > > Quick and dirty check. Change the above to: > > http_request.open('POST', url , false); > > > This way the browser waits for the return code instead of sending and > not waiting. > > > > -- > Anthony Baratta > > "There are only two kinds of people that understand Marines: the Marines > and the enemy. Everyone else has a secondhand opinion." -- Gen. William > Thornson, US Army > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > -- John Corry PHP developer - 3by400, Inc http://www.3by400.com From jimmyropes at gmail.com Sun Aug 23 11:48:35 2009 From: jimmyropes at gmail.com (James O'Donnell) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 12:48:35 -0400 Subject: [thelist] ...try again In-Reply-To: <92de8b7b0908230917h60d733c4w2896ae9e5d59b122@mail.gmail.com> References: <92de8b7b0908221933p61e15f2cxae8bcbecc2e4ab3@mail.gmail.com> <4A90B04D.7090304@baratta.com> <92de8b7b0908230917h60d733c4w2896ae9e5d59b122@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00dd01ca2411$8faddaa0$af098fe0$@com> " The code works great as long as I'm calling a script on my domain, but fails when I try to call the script from one of our other domains." That is by design. Cross site scripting is a serious problem. -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of John Corry Sent: Sunday, 23 August, 2009 12:17 To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: Re: [thelist] ...try again That didn't work. I saw material online that suggested that calling URLs from other domains with XMLHttpRequest() is allowed as of FF 3...but that doesn't seem to be the case. The code works great as long as I'm calling a script on my domain, but fails when I try to call the script from one of our other domains. So now I'm shifting gears into looking for a cURL alternative. John On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 10:58 PM, Anthony Baratta wrote: > John Corry wrote: > > http_request.open('POST', url , true); > > Quick and dirty check. Change the above to: > > http_request.open('POST', url , false); > > > This way the browser waits for the return code instead of sending and > not waiting. > > > > -- > Anthony Baratta > > "There are only two kinds of people that understand Marines: the Marines > and the enemy. Everyone else has a secondhand opinion." -- Gen. William > Thornson, US Army > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > -- John Corry PHP developer - 3by400, Inc http://www.3by400.com -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.63/2316 - Release Date: 08/23/09 06:18:00 From Paul.Bennett at mch.govt.nz Sun Aug 23 15:25:47 2009 From: Paul.Bennett at mch.govt.nz (Paul Bennett) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 08:25:47 +1200 Subject: [thelist] Joomla anyone? also PHP randomizer? In-Reply-To: <0f2601ca22c7$affde9d0$0ff9bd70$@com> Message-ID: Hi Jenni, Assuming images are named swapImage1.jpg, swapImage2.jpg etc.. //php function randImage(){ // return 'swapImage'.rand(1,10).'.jpg'; } // html http://www.php.net has a great online function reference and helpful example code also. HTH, :) Paul -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Jenni Beard Sent: Saturday, 22 August 2009 1:27 p.m. To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: [thelist] Joomla anyone? also PHP randomizer? Hi all, Increasingly frustrated here! I posted last week while trying to make an image randomize within a CSS layout. Thanks again for the help on that. Now I have a new problem. The client wants Joomla added to the site, and has had it installed on his server (GoDaddy). I've used an Access based CMS before, but never Joomla or any other one. The CMS I was using previously, a proprietary one with the company I used to work for, was very simple to integrate with an html template. Joomla, apparently, is not. So, now I've got this great template for my site, with ASP code to make the one background image switch out. And, Joomla's main page is a php page so it won't even read my ASP code. It appears as though I have to create my template somewhat differently than my usual method, though I'm finding some workarounds for that to simplify things a little. Any suggestions? I don't know PHP at all, though I am guessing that there is a PHP function similar to that which I'm using in ASP to make the background switch out (thank you again, Brian!). Or I could use Javascript if I could figure that out. As I've mentioned previously, my web expertise is more in the marketing area, and the more technical things I am very shaky on-trying to learn, though! Thanks for any help! Jenni -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! www.mch.govt.nz - www.teara.govt.nz - www.nzhistory.net.nz - www.nzlive.com The information contained in this email message does not necessarily reflect the views of the Ministry for Culture and Heritage and may contain information that is confidential or subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient and receive this email in error: please notify the Ministry for Culture and Heritage by return email or telephone (64 4 499 4229) and delete this email; you must not use, disclose, copy or distribute this message or the information in it. PLEASE CONSIDER THE ENVIRONMENT BEFORE YOU PRINT THIS EMAIL From jenni at theweblotus.com Sun Aug 23 20:34:37 2009 From: jenni at theweblotus.com (Jenni Beard) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 21:34:37 -0400 Subject: [thelist] Joomla anyone? also PHP randomizer? In-Reply-To: References: <0f2601ca22c7$affde9d0$0ff9bd70$@com> Message-ID: <116b01ca245b$0aff0730$20fd1590$@com> Thanks Paul! Here's what I have now in ASP: <% Function RandomNumber(intHighestNumber) Randomize RandomNumber = Int(intHighestNumber * Rnd) + 1 End Function touse = RandomNumber(4) '4 is the number of dancers to rotate %>

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          --------------------------------------------- The related CSS: .dancer { overflow: visible; visibility: visible; position: relative; background-position: 650px 30px; background-repeat: no-repeat; height: 850px; } #dancer1 { background-image: url(../dancers/dancer.png); } #dancer2 { background-image: url(../dancers/dancer.png); } #dancer3 { background-image: url(../dancers/dancer.png); } #dancer4 { background-image: url(../dancers/dancer.png); } ------------------------------ So, the code you gave me does nto work with the css the way that I have it set up... it needs to work within the css. Any ideas?? Thanks!!! Jenni -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Paul Bennett Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 4:26 PM To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: Re: [thelist] Joomla anyone? also PHP randomizer? Hi Jenni, Assuming images are named swapImage1.jpg, swapImage2.jpg etc.. //php function randImage(){ // return 'swapImage'.rand(1,10).'.jpg'; } // html http://www.php.net has a great online function reference and helpful example code also. HTH, :) Paul -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Jenni Beard Sent: Saturday, 22 August 2009 1:27 p.m. To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: [thelist] Joomla anyone? also PHP randomizer? Hi all, Increasingly frustrated here! I posted last week while trying to make an image randomize within a CSS layout. Thanks again for the help on that. Now I have a new problem. The client wants Joomla added to the site, and has had it installed on his server (GoDaddy). I've used an Access based CMS before, but never Joomla or any other one. The CMS I was using previously, a proprietary one with the company I used to work for, was very simple to integrate with an html template. Joomla, apparently, is not. So, now I've got this great template for my site, with ASP code to make the one background image switch out. And, Joomla's main page is a php page so it won't even read my ASP code. It appears as though I have to create my template somewhat differently than my usual method, though I'm finding some workarounds for that to simplify things a little. Any suggestions? I don't know PHP at all, though I am guessing that there is a PHP function similar to that which I'm using in ASP to make the background switch out (thank you again, Brian!). Or I could use Javascript if I could figure that out. As I've mentioned previously, my web expertise is more in the marketing area, and the more technical things I am very shaky on-trying to learn, though! Thanks for any help! Jenni -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! www.mch.govt.nz - www.teara.govt.nz - www.nzhistory.net.nz - www.nzlive.com The information contained in this email message does not necessarily reflect the views of the Ministry for Culture and Heritage and may contain information that is confidential or subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient and receive this email in error: please notify the Ministry for Culture and Heritage by return email or telephone (64 4 499 4229) and delete this email; you must not use, disclose, copy or distribute this message or the information in it. PLEASE CONSIDER THE ENVIRONMENT BEFORE YOU PRINT THIS EMAIL -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From jcorry.lists at gmail.com Sun Aug 23 20:56:52 2009 From: jcorry.lists at gmail.com (John Corry) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 21:56:52 -0400 Subject: [thelist] Joomla anyone? also PHP randomizer? In-Reply-To: <116b01ca245b$0aff0730$20fd1590$@com> References: <0f2601ca22c7$affde9d0$0ff9bd70$@com> <116b01ca245b$0aff0730$20fd1590$@com> Message-ID: <92de8b7b0908231856of6d845p69bd7507df126e6c@mail.gmail.com> I work at a Joomla shop. Joomla is not something you 'add to the site'. It IS the site. Implementations (better described as train wrecks or cf's) I've seen of 'adding it to a site' included using iframes to display non-templated joomla pages (that contained some component the client needed). It's really not the way to go. Redoing the site in Joomla would be the way to approach that problem. You need not be a PHP developer to do that...though you will if you want to customize Joomla or write your own components/modules...which is probably unnecessary. During that redesign, you'll get to select a template/theme for Joomla and style it using your own graphic sense. It's easier than it sounds...unless you decide to build your own template from scratch, which will suck...even if you're a PHP pro. Good luck, let me know if you have any questions. > Now I have a new problem. The client wants Joomla added to the site, > and > has had it installed on his server (GoDaddy). I've used an Access based > CMS > before, but never Joomla or any other one. The CMS I was using > previously, > a proprietary one with the company I used to work for, was very simple > to > integrate with an html template. Joomla, apparently, is not. > > > > So, now I've got this great template for my site, with ASP code to make > the > one background image switch out. And, Joomla's main page is a php page > so > it won't even read my ASP code. It appears as though I have to create > my > template somewhat differently than my usual method, though I'm finding > some > workarounds for that to simplify things a little. > > > > Any suggestions? I don't know PHP at all, though I am guessing that > there > is a PHP function similar to that which I'm using in ASP to make the > background switch out (thank you again, Brian!). Or I could use > Javascript > if I could figure that out. As I've mentioned previously, my web > expertise > is more in the marketing area, and the more technical things I am very > shaky > on-trying to learn, though! > > From Paul.Bennett at mch.govt.nz Sun Aug 23 20:40:53 2009 From: Paul.Bennett at mch.govt.nz (Paul Bennett) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 13:40:53 +1200 Subject: [thelist] Joomla anyone? also PHP randomizer? In-Reply-To: <116b01ca245b$0aff0730$20fd1590$@com> Message-ID: I'm normally loathe to solve someone's problem for them when they aren't willing to do any leg work themselves, but I'll make an exception today ;) //php function randNumber($limit){ // validate your input if(ctype_digit($limit) and $limit > 1){ return rand(1,$limit); } // invalid - return a default else{ return 1; } } // html
          www.mch.govt.nz - www.teara.govt.nz - www.nzhistory.net.nz - www.nzlive.com The information contained in this email message does not necessarily reflect the views of the Ministry for Culture and Heritage and may contain information that is confidential or subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient and receive this email in error: please notify the Ministry for Culture and Heritage by return email or telephone (64 4 499 4229) and delete this email; you must not use, disclose, copy or distribute this message or the information in it. PLEASE CONSIDER THE ENVIRONMENT BEFORE YOU PRINT THIS EMAIL From Paul.Bennett at mch.govt.nz Sun Aug 23 21:02:16 2009 From: Paul.Bennett at mch.govt.nz (Paul Bennett) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 14:02:16 +1200 Subject: [thelist] Joomla anyone? also PHP randomizer? In-Reply-To: <92de8b7b0908231856of6d845p69bd7507df126e6c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Jenni, The good news is that there are some really good Open Source CMS systems out there which have lots of extra modules and great community support (Wordpress, Drupal, Joomla, Silverstripe...) As John says though, to do these well (especially with custom themes and / or custom functionality) you're really looking at a PHP development project - specifically using someone who knows the CMS software well. If you don't have those skills then it may be wise to communicate this to your client / the boss. Regards, Paul www.mch.govt.nz - www.teara.govt.nz - www.nzhistory.net.nz - www.nzlive.com The information contained in this email message does not necessarily reflect the views of the Ministry for Culture and Heritage and may contain information that is confidential or subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient and receive this email in error: please notify the Ministry for Culture and Heritage by return email or telephone (64 4 499 4229) and delete this email; you must not use, disclose, copy or distribute this message or the information in it. PLEASE CONSIDER THE ENVIRONMENT BEFORE YOU PRINT THIS EMAIL From bobm at dottedi.biz Sun Aug 23 23:26:13 2009 From: bobm at dottedi.biz (Bob Meetin) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 22:26:13 -0600 Subject: [thelist] Joomla anyone? also PHP randomizer? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A921665.1060406@dottedi.biz> Paul Bennett wrote: > Hi Jenni, > > The good news is that there are some really good Open Source CMS systems > out there which have lots of extra modules and great community support > (Wordpress, Drupal, Joomla, Silverstripe...) > > As John says though, to do these well (especially with custom themes and > / or custom functionality) you're really looking at a PHP development > project - specifically using someone who knows the CMS software well. > > If you don't have those skills then it may be wise to communicate this > to your client / the boss. > > Regards, > Paul > John summed it up very nicely when he said that Joomla is the website. There are plenty of tutorials available for creating Joomla templates, but the fact is that it is not a trivial task to master a template. If Jooma is the decision then option #2 might be to do a search for Joomla templates (many thousands available) similar to what you want and implement one. -Bob