From dan.p.burke at gmail.com  Mon Sep  7 00:09:32 2009
From: dan.p.burke at gmail.com (Daniel Burke)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 14:39:32 +0930
Subject: [thelist] cross platform PGP
In-Reply-To: <b168d3f00909062157v2b2256d4j7b4e1d11bbee660f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E6C26C56F0675B46B71BC19CBB53DFB80651FD01@mchexchange.mchdomain.mch.govt.nz>
	<b168d3f00909062157v2b2256d4j7b4e1d11bbee660f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b96bcc2f0909062209n23c206e9obe9323876015c60e@mail.gmail.com>

2009/9/7 Iv?n Cervantes <lord.icervantes at gmail.com>

> Maybe gpg works for you. http://www.gnupg.org/
>

I've had a good experience with Gpg4Win (http://www.gpg4win.org), if the
command line isn't your thing. There should be equivalent GUI's for OSX too
if you poke around. Good luck.
regards,

dan
--
"It's your privilege as an artist to inflict the pain of creativity on
yourself." --Programming Perl 3rd Edition, end of first chapter.

From rjmolesa at consoltec.net  Mon Sep  7 07:39:53 2009
From: rjmolesa at consoltec.net (Jon Molesa)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 08:39:53 -0400
Subject: [thelist] cross platform PGP
In-Reply-To: <E6C26C56F0675B46B71BC19CBB53DFB80651FD01@mchexchange.mchdomain.mch.govt.nz>
References: <E6C26C56F0675B46B71BC19CBB53DFB80651FD01@mchexchange.mchdomain.mch.govt.nz>
Message-ID: <20090907123953.GM8015@jenna.rjmolesa.homelinux.net>

*On Mon, Sep 07, 2009 at 02:18:43PM +1200 Paul Bennett <Paul.Bennett at mch.govt.nz> wrote:

> Does anyone know of a decent cross platform PGP encryption / decryption
> / signing client?

No not a cross platform PGP/GPG client.  Have you considered http://www.truecrypt.org/?  It's
GUI is cross-platform and achives what you're looking to do.  I've used
it with great success.  It has one really interesting feature called a
hidden partition.  Which is basically a hidden, encrypted partition
inside another encrypted partition.  Depending on the sensitivity of the
data, it would be impossible for anyone to find it without you telling
them of it's existence.

Truecrypt can even run from an unencrypted part of the thumbdrive.  So
you could carry the MAc and Windows clients around with you.  Though, if
you lost it that would tell anyone who found it that it likely contains
a TC partition.

The added advantage of TC over GPG is that the client takes care of
mmounting it as a drive on the machine.

-- 
Jon Molesa
rjmolesa at consoltec.net
if you're bored or curious
http://rjmolesa.com

From eduardok at gmail.com  Mon Sep  7 10:19:25 2009
From: eduardok at gmail.com (Eduardo Kienetz)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 12:19:25 -0300
Subject: [thelist] cross platform PGP
In-Reply-To: <20090907123953.GM8015@jenna.rjmolesa.homelinux.net>
References: <E6C26C56F0675B46B71BC19CBB53DFB80651FD01@mchexchange.mchdomain.mch.govt.nz>
	<20090907123953.GM8015@jenna.rjmolesa.homelinux.net>
Message-ID: <3e7d042a0909070819r3224d8c4s348395412f9a5540@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Jon Molesa<rjmolesa at consoltec.net> wrote:
> *On Mon, Sep 07, 2009 at 02:18:43PM +1200 Paul Bennett <Paul.Bennett at mch.govt.nz> wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know of a decent cross platform PGP encryption / decryption
>> / signing client?
>
> No not a cross platform PGP/GPG client. ?Have you considered http://www.truecrypt.org/?

+1 for truecrypt, have used before and it's great.

-- 
Eduardo Bacchi Kienetz

From Paul.Bennett at mch.govt.nz  Mon Sep  7 18:19:18 2009
From: Paul.Bennett at mch.govt.nz (Paul Bennett)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 11:19:18 +1200
Subject: [thelist] cross platform PGP
In-Reply-To: <3e7d042a0909070819r3224d8c4s348395412f9a5540@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E6C26C56F0675B46B71BC19CBB53DFB80651FDA8@mchexchange.mchdomain.mch.govt.nz>

Thanks for the replies everyone.

It looks like Truecrypt is going to be investigated :)

Paul 

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From marun2 at gmail.com  Tue Sep  8 08:21:15 2009
From: marun2 at gmail.com (Mohan Arun L)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 18:51:15 +0530
Subject: [thelist] cross platform PGP
Message-ID: <ca1b22cc0909080621k34cf1d9ao95272ea7153b7768@mail.gmail.com>

FreeOTFE [freeotfe.org] runs in Windows and is compatible with Linux
losetup/dm-crypt volumes. The only Win/Mac cross encryption program
I've found is ccrypt [mathstat.dal.ca] which is unfortunately just a
simple file encryption program.

>From this slashdot thread
http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/08/24/2226218

Check out this thread
http://blogostuff.blogspot.com/2006/11/jfilecrypt.html
jfilecrypt is java based cross platform and uses blowfish instead of
pgp for encryption.

Kremlin 3.0 provides a cross-platform security suite for Mac and PC.
http://www.gold-software.com/download6287.html


* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
www.mohanarun.com
www.skoths.com
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

From marun2 at gmail.com  Tue Sep  8 12:09:21 2009
From: marun2 at gmail.com (Mohan Arun L)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 22:39:21 +0530
Subject: [thelist] Copy text with links in brackets
Message-ID: <ca1b22cc0909081009p25fd454bx9aa38da46093da3a@mail.gmail.com>

I need a way to copy text in web pages that include links so that the
links get transformed to actual destination urls when they are sent to
the clipboard.

Example
Sample tools are Blogger [http://blogger.com], Yola [http://yola.com],
LiveJournal [http://livejournal.com]

So I can paste the text into a text-only note taking application.

Is there a Firefox plugin/addon that would do this? Its very tedious
to copy the text, then right click on links and choose copy link
location and then paste them individually next to the anchor text they
refer to.

From tonyc at boldfish.co.uk  Tue Sep  8 12:19:46 2009
From: tonyc at boldfish.co.uk (Tony Crockford)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 18:19:46 +0100
Subject: [thelist] Copy text with links in brackets
In-Reply-To: <ca1b22cc0909081009p25fd454bx9aa38da46093da3a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ca1b22cc0909081009p25fd454bx9aa38da46093da3a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CDB0EB2B-BEBD-4EA9-9926-06A350011241@boldfish.co.uk>


On 8 Sep 2009, at 18:09, Mohan Arun L wrote:

> I need a way to copy text in web pages that include links so that the
> links get transformed to actual destination urls when they are sent to
> the clipboard.
>
> Example
> Sample tools are Blogger [http://blogger.com], Yola [http://yola.com],
> LiveJournal [http://livejournal.com]
>
> So I can paste the text into a text-only note taking application.
>

Once upon a time mail.app on OS X used to do just that if you dragged  
the url from safari to an open message.

I miss that a lot.

I watch with interest to see if anyone has a solution for you?.

From moseley at hank.org  Wed Sep  9 09:26:25 2009
From: moseley at hank.org (Bill Moseley)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 07:26:25 -0700
Subject: [thelist] Site language selection
Message-ID: <16f65d000909090726u5e02af50ie4c74529c1bb8bb0@mail.gmail.com>

I've used a number of ways to determine which language to return to a user,
including looking at Accept-Language header, a url prefix (
http://example.com/en/index.html) and a user-preference selected on the
sited and stored in cookie or session.
I'm thinking that for any method of detection/selection that I should
redirect to the url prefix approach so that the language is included in the
URL.  The reason is for caching -- if a page is cached and the user changes
language they need to fetch the new version and not the cached version in
their old language.

Typically, /foo, /es/foo, /de/foo all return the same content, just in
different languages.

Do you agree that redirecting to include the language in the URL makes
sense?

I've also have avoided using a query parameter to specify the language (
?lang=es ).  I remember some issues with caching-proxies not caching any
content with a query string (although I suspect that's not a issue anymore).

I have not had different css for different languages, but we do have some
images used as backgrounds that have text, but I can see that being an
issue.
Probably the easiest approach there is to add a language class to the <body>
and use css to select different images based on the class.





-- 
Bill Moseley
moseley at hank.org

From morrison.ben at gmail.com  Wed Sep  9 09:38:46 2009
From: morrison.ben at gmail.com (ben morrison)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 15:38:46 +0100
Subject: [thelist] Site language selection
In-Reply-To: <16f65d000909090726u5e02af50ie4c74529c1bb8bb0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <16f65d000909090726u5e02af50ie4c74529c1bb8bb0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6073aef90909090738m698de17cg2f89df8f6be10c8b@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Bill Moseley<moseley at hank.org> wrote:

> I have not had different css for different languages, but we do have some
> images used as backgrounds that have text, but I can see that being an
> issue.
> Probably the easiest approach there is to add a language class to the <body>
> and use css to select different images based on the class.

Probably overkill, but maybe worth a look if you do a lot of INTL
wesbsites etc..

I have used it in past projects and it worked very well..

http://developer.yahoo.com/r3/

ben

-- 
Ben Morrison

From Susan.Payne at cpa.state.tx.us  Wed Sep  9 10:50:07 2009
From: Susan.Payne at cpa.state.tx.us (Susan Payne)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 10:50:07 -0500
Subject: [thelist] .htaccess redirect issue
Message-ID: <DE9192CCD69F764F95A7A7BB3022402006271D09@cpaexg5.core.cpa.state.tx.us>

I'm trying to redirect pages not found back to the index of a directory,
without having to created a custom error page that would then link them
back to index.

 

I've tried this:

 

ErrorDocument 404 index.php

 

to no avail.

 

Is there another way I should be trying this?

 

Thanks,

 

Susan Payne

 


From dean.mah at gmail.com  Wed Sep  9 11:51:21 2009
From: dean.mah at gmail.com (Dean Mah)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 10:51:21 -0600
Subject: [thelist] .htaccess redirect issue
In-Reply-To: <DE9192CCD69F764F95A7A7BB3022402006271D09@cpaexg5.core.cpa.state.tx.us>
References: <DE9192CCD69F764F95A7A7BB3022402006271D09@cpaexg5.core.cpa.state.tx.us>
Message-ID: <f4a098c50909090951q25c90f2fx945c6cadc15c1a89@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 9:50 AM, Susan Payne<Susan.Payne at cpa.state.tx.us> wrote:
> I'm trying to redirect pages not found back to the index of a directory,
> without having to created a custom error page that would then link them
> back to index.
>
> I've tried this:
>
> ErrorDocument 404 index.php
>
> to no avail.
>
> Is there another way I should be trying this?


Do you "AllowOverride FileInfo" for that directory?

Dean

From anthony at baratta.com  Wed Sep  9 12:35:50 2009
From: anthony at baratta.com (Anthony Baratta)
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 10:35:50 -0700
Subject: [thelist] .htaccess redirect issue
In-Reply-To: <DE9192CCD69F764F95A7A7BB3022402006271D09@cpaexg5.core.cpa.state.tx.us>
References: <DE9192CCD69F764F95A7A7BB3022402006271D09@cpaexg5.core.cpa.state.tx.us>
Message-ID: <4AA7E776.40600@baratta.com>

Susan Payne wrote:
> 
> ErrorDocument 404 index.php

Dean's right. Do you have AllowOverride setup with FileInfo?

Also, I think you need a slash before the index.php. e.g.

	ErrorDocument 404 /index.php



--
Anthony Baratta

?Really, at this point any CEO who agrees to do business with the 
government should be fired.?
-- Jennifer Rubin



From cmzente at yahoo.com  Wed Sep  9 13:06:44 2009
From: cmzente at yahoo.com (Carlos Zenteno)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 11:06:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [thelist]  Site language selection
Message-ID: <921913.15866.qm@web32003.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

i would just let the user choose the language from a
dropdown menu or a flag menu... so many times
I have had websites "guess" wrong my language or
my location that I prefer to select it myself...

 Saludos,

Carlos Zenteno
Website: mercologia.com
Blog: Digital Stickiness


      

From jenni at theweblotus.com  Wed Sep  9 13:36:01 2009
From: jenni at theweblotus.com (Jenni Beard)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 14:36:01 -0400
Subject: [thelist] .htaccess redirect issue
In-Reply-To: <DE9192CCD69F764F95A7A7BB3022402006271D09@cpaexg5.core.cpa.state.tx.us>
References: <DE9192CCD69F764F95A7A7BB3022402006271D09@cpaexg5.core.cpa.state.tx.us>
Message-ID: <0f8201ca317c$61fdf720$25f9e560$@com>

I'm curious--why not just use a custom error?  It seems so much simpler that
way to me...

Thanks!

Jenni

-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Susan Payne
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 11:50 AM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: [thelist] .htaccess redirect issue

I'm trying to redirect pages not found back to the index of a directory,
without having to created a custom error page that would then link them
back to index.
 

I've tried this:


ErrorDocument 404 index.ph
 

to no avail.


Is there another way I should be trying this?


Thanks,


Susan Payne

 



From chris at gettheedgeonline.com  Wed Sep  9 15:36:10 2009
From: chris at gettheedgeonline.com (Chris Dempsey)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 21:36:10 +0100
Subject: [thelist] POP3 Account Setup Issue on Shared Windows Box
In-Reply-To: <BF758A0278324D5F9BA0AE3FDB5C893D@theedge.local>
References: <DE9192CCD69F764F95A7A7BB3022402006271D09@cpaexg5.core.cpa.state.tx.us>
	<BF758A0278324D5F9BA0AE3FDB5C893D@theedge.local>
Message-ID: <2B56E445B5CFF24FA32E2F4FB0112F222C8ACC@sbserver.theedge.local>

Hi all,

We're looking to run a website on a shared server running Windows, on
which we have a reseller account, that will display different content
depending on which URL a visitor comes in on eg.

We setup hosting for: golfclub-central-website.co.uk

Then,

golfclub1.co.uk
golfclub2.co.uk
golfclub3.co.uk   are all set as aliases for:
golfclub-central-website.co.uk


The golfclub-central-website.co.uk files figure which URL the visitor
came in on and displays the content accordingly.  That part is easy but
I can't figure how to setup the email ie. 

info at golfclub1.co.uk and info at golfclub2.co.uk would both be aliases for
info at golfclub-central-website.co.uk which is no use as both golfclub1
and golfclub2 need to have an info@ box they can receive mail on.

Any suggestions on how we could setup independent mail boxes for each
domain?  

We could achieve this by changing the MX record for each of the
golfclub1, golfclub2 etc. domains to point to a server outside of our
shared server's network to another shared reseller hosting account but I
don't think it's the best idea to go setting up accounts for each domain
just to handle the mail.  

I guess a better idea might be to get an exchange server to run the mail
but I prefer not to have another account to manage and anything that
costs money makes it less favourable, although I appreciate money may
need to be spent to achieve what I need.  

What I am really hoping for is that someone knows a way to handle this
on the single shared reseller account.

Any suggestions?

Thanks,

Chris

From anthony at baratta.com  Wed Sep  9 16:18:34 2009
From: anthony at baratta.com (Anthony Baratta)
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 14:18:34 -0700
Subject: [thelist] POP3 Account Setup Issue on Shared Windows Box
In-Reply-To: <2B56E445B5CFF24FA32E2F4FB0112F222C8ACC@sbserver.theedge.local>
References: <DE9192CCD69F764F95A7A7BB3022402006271D09@cpaexg5.core.cpa.state.tx.us>	<BF758A0278324D5F9BA0AE3FDB5C893D@theedge.local>
	<2B56E445B5CFF24FA32E2F4FB0112F222C8ACC@sbserver.theedge.local>
Message-ID: <4AA81BAA.2070602@baratta.com>

Chris Dempsey wrote:
> Any suggestions on how we could setup independent mail boxes for each
> domain?  

I think you are trying to be too smart by 1/2. Unless you want to route 
all mail through one domain, with separate boxes for each aliased domain 
- just setup each domain with it's own mail domain and setup 
mailbox(es)under that as appropriate. Do not try the pooled email 
account approach. It only leads to madness.

You can always look at foisting the email domain management onto Google 
Mail.




--
Anthony Baratta

There are all kinds of interesting questions that come from a knowledge 
of science, which only adds to the excitement and mystery and awe of a 
flower. It only adds. I don?t understand how it subtracts.
? Richard Feynman



From jayturley at gmail.com  Wed Sep  9 18:04:09 2009
From: jayturley at gmail.com (Jay Turley)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 16:04:09 -0700
Subject: [thelist] CSS transparency question
Message-ID: <61ed1fc20909091604t10da0f88t40461c2ee58f4243@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all-

I have a design I am having trouble implementing (and sorry, no URL, so this
will have to be a conceptual question). There is a toolbar which floats over
an image, and the toolbar is slightly transparent, enough to reveal what is
underneath it. The designer wants a portion of the toolbar to be opaque.

The html is essentially:

<div class="content">
    <p>Image stuff resides in this area.</p>
    <div id="toolbar" class="seethrough">
         <div class="opaque">
            <p>This content should be opaque.</p>
        </div>         <div>
            <p>This content inherits transparency.</p>
        </div>
    </div>
</div>

The pertinent CSS looks like:

.seethrough {
    opacity: 0.9;
    -moz-opacity: 0.9;
    filter: alpha(opacity=90);
}

I naively tried this:

.opaque {
     opacity: 1.0;
    -moz-opacity: 1.0;
    filter: alpha(opacity=100);
}

but it didn't work.

Any ideas on how this can be done?

Thanks!

-Jay

From joel at bizba6.com  Wed Sep  9 20:22:13 2009
From: joel at bizba6.com (Joel Canfield)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 18:22:13 -0700
Subject: [thelist] what's the hole in my contact form anti-spam?
Message-ID: <619d00930909091822i24358cd3r7207de53e11e014b@mail.gmail.com>

Here's the basic php for the contact page and response page uploaded 28
July, and a sample of the spam that's been coming in today (nothing before
now.) What am I missing?
contact.php

<form name="theForm" action="contactresponse.php" method="post"
onsubmit="return isValid(this);">
<input type="hidden" name="mysauce" id="mysauce" value="alfredosauce" />
<input type="hidden" name="FormSource" id="FormSource" value="Contact Form"
/>
<div class="row"><span class="label">Name </span><span class="formw"><input
type="text" name="RealName" id="RealName" /></span></div>
<div class="row"><span class="label">E-mail </span><span
class="formw"><input type="text" name="Email" id="Email" /></span></div>
<div class="row"><span class="label">Telephone </span><span
class="formw"><input type="text" name="Telephone" id="Telephone"
/></span></div>
<div class="row"><span class="label">Other Comments or Questions
</span><span class="formw"><textarea name="OCQ" id="OCQ" cols="18"
rows="6"></textarea></span></div>
<div class="row"><span class="label">Is water wet or dry? (This tells us
you're not an evil internet spambot)</span><span class="formw"><input
type="text" name="fettucine" id="fettucine" /></span></div>
<div class="row"><input type="submit" name="submit" id="ContactSubmit"
value="Fix My Broken Marketing" /></div>
</form>

contactresponse.php

if($_POST['mysauce'] = 'alfredosauce') {
if(isset($_POST['submit'])) {
$form_source = $_POST['FormSource'];
$name_field = $_POST['RealName'];
$email_field = $_POST['Email'];
$telephone_field = $_POST['Telephone'];
$othercomments_field = $_POST['OCQ'];
$to = "example at example.com";
$subject = "Website contact from $name_field";
$headers = "From:  Website <website@ example.com>\r\n";
$headers .= "Cc: Joel D Canfield<joel at bizba6.com>\r\n";
$headers .= "Reply-To: example@ example.com";
$body = "From:\n    $name_field\n\nEmail:\n    $email_field\n\nTelephone:\n
   $telephone_field\n\nOther Comments or Questions:\n
 $othercomments_field\n";
mail($to, $subject, $body, $headers);
}
}




and we're getting spam like this all of a sudden today:

From:
   xehrecua

Email:
   dxzkwe at qdcyjq.com

Telephone:
   WnSKnjJZrgCmPX

Other Comments or Questions:
   urC7MB  <a href="http://rinwdpbhilbp.com/">rinwdpbhilbp</a>, [url=
http://tbgldazvqjeq.com/]tbgldazvqjeq[/url], [link=
http://oawhiiybxdxd.com/]oawhiiybxdxd[/link], http://btvhepsqvbty.com/

-- 
Joel at Bizba6.com
http://BusinessHeretics.com/

From roberto at asenseofdesign.com  Wed Sep  9 21:20:11 2009
From: roberto at asenseofdesign.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Roberto_Gorj=E3o?=)
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 19:20:11 -0700
Subject: [thelist] what's the hole in my contact form anti-spam?
In-Reply-To: <619d00930909091822i24358cd3r7207de53e11e014b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <619d00930909091822i24358cd3r7207de53e11e014b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AA8625B.6020801@asenseofdesign.com>

You're missing the

if($_POST['fettucine'] = 'wet') {

on line 1, and another

}

at the end.

Also, you're missing the "for" attributes in your label tags.

Roberto

---------------------
Joel Canfield wrote:
> Here's the basic php for the contact page and response page uploaded 28
> July, and a sample of the spam that's been coming in today (nothing before
> now.) What am I missing?
> contact.php
>
> <form name="theForm" action="contactresponse.php" method="post"
> onsubmit="return isValid(this);">
> <input type="hidden" name="mysauce" id="mysauce" value="alfredosauce" />
> <input type="hidden" name="FormSource" id="FormSource" value="Contact Form"
> />
> <div class="row"><span class="label">Name </span><span class="formw"><input
> type="text" name="RealName" id="RealName" /></span></div>
> <div class="row"><span class="label">E-mail </span><span
> class="formw"><input type="text" name="Email" id="Email" /></span></div>
> <div class="row"><span class="label">Telephone </span><span
> class="formw"><input type="text" name="Telephone" id="Telephone"
> /></span></div>
> <div class="row"><span class="label">Other Comments or Questions
> </span><span class="formw"><textarea name="OCQ" id="OCQ" cols="18"
> rows="6"></textarea></span></div>
> <div class="row"><span class="label">Is water wet or dry? (This tells us
> you're not an evil internet spambot)</span><span class="formw"><input
> type="text" name="fettucine" id="fettucine" /></span></div>
> <div class="row"><input type="submit" name="submit" id="ContactSubmit"
> value="Fix My Broken Marketing" /></div>
> </form>
>
> contactresponse.php
>
> if($_POST['mysauce'] = 'alfredosauce') {
> if(isset($_POST['submit'])) {
> $form_source = $_POST['FormSource'];
> $name_field = $_POST['RealName'];
> $email_field = $_POST['Email'];
> $telephone_field = $_POST['Telephone'];
> $othercomments_field = $_POST['OCQ'];
> $to = "example at example.com";
> $subject = "Website contact from $name_field";
> $headers = "From:  Website <website@ example.com>\r\n";
> $headers .= "Cc: Joel D Canfield<joel at bizba6.com>\r\n";
> $headers .= "Reply-To: example@ example.com";
> $body = "From:\n    $name_field\n\nEmail:\n    $email_field\n\nTelephone:\n
>    $telephone_field\n\nOther Comments or Questions:\n
>  $othercomments_field\n";
> mail($to, $subject, $body, $headers);
> }
> }
>
>
>   

From bobm at dottedi.biz  Wed Sep  9 22:43:06 2009
From: bobm at dottedi.biz (Bob Meetin)
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 21:43:06 -0600
Subject: [thelist] what's the hole in my contact form anti-spam?
In-Reply-To: <4AA8625B.6020801@asenseofdesign.com>
References: <619d00930909091822i24358cd3r7207de53e11e014b@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AA8625B.6020801@asenseofdesign.com>
Message-ID: <4AA875CA.1050906@dottedi.biz>


> You're missing the
>
> if($_POST['fettucine'] = 'wet') {
>
> on line 1, and another
>
> }
>
> at the end.
>
> Also, you're missing the "for" attributes in your label tags.
>
> Roberto
>   
I think double equals (==) for tests.


From jenni at theweblotus.com  Wed Sep  9 22:43:22 2009
From: jenni at theweblotus.com (Jenni Beard)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 23:43:22 -0400
Subject: [thelist] CSS transparency question
In-Reply-To: <61ed1fc20909091604t10da0f88t40461c2ee58f4243@mail.gmail.com>
References: <61ed1fc20909091604t10da0f88t40461c2ee58f4243@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <009d01ca31c8$d8683a50$8938aef0$@com>

Can you upload at least a screenshot to better illustrate what you're doing?

Jenni

-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Jay Turley
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 7:04 PM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: [thelist] CSS transparency question

Hi all-

I have a design I am having trouble implementing (and sorry, no URL, so this
will have to be a conceptual question). There is a toolbar which floats over
an image, and the toolbar is slightly transparent, enough to reveal what is
underneath it. The designer wants a portion of the toolbar to be opaque.

The html is essentially:

<div class="content">
    <p>Image stuff resides in this area.</p>
    <div id="toolbar" class="seethrough">
         <div class="opaque">
            <p>This content should be opaque.</p>
        </div>         <div>
            <p>This content inherits transparency.</p>
        </div>
    </div>
</div>

The pertinent CSS looks like:

.seethrough {
    opacity: 0.9;
    -moz-opacity: 0.9;
    filter: alpha(opacity=90);
}

I naively tried this:

.opaque {
     opacity: 1.0;
    -moz-opacity: 1.0;
    filter: alpha(opacity=100);
}

but it didn't work.

Any ideas on how this can be done?

Thanks!

-Jay
-- 

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From joel at bizba6.com  Wed Sep  9 22:50:43 2009
From: joel at bizba6.com (Joel Canfield)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 20:50:43 -0700
Subject: [thelist] what's the hole in my contact form anti-spam?
In-Reply-To: <4AA8625B.6020801@asenseofdesign.com>
References: <619d00930909091822i24358cd3r7207de53e11e014b@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AA8625B.6020801@asenseofdesign.com>
Message-ID: <619d00930909092050u193b889bh8a113c9271ddc88@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 7:20 PM, Roberto Gorj?o
<roberto at asenseofdesign.com>wrote:

> You're missing the
>
> if($_POST['fettucine'] = 'wet') {
>
> on line 1, and another
>
> }
>
> at the end.
>
> Also, you're missing the "for" attributes in your label tags.
>
> Roberto
>
>
Perhaps I was unclear. I'll try again.

My form sends the value of a hidden field. If the response form doesn't
receive that value for that field (as in, spammers access the form directly
without adding that bit of info they can't know) the form won't process.

Yet, we are getting spam, such as the sample I sent.

How? Why? What logic error have I made which is allowing random spammers to
access the back end, sending us trash emails, bypassing my logic?

joel

From rjmolesa at consoltec.net  Wed Sep  9 23:10:17 2009
From: rjmolesa at consoltec.net (Jon Molesa)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 00:10:17 -0400
Subject: [thelist] what's the hole in my contact form anti-spam?
In-Reply-To: <619d00930909092050u193b889bh8a113c9271ddc88@mail.gmail.com>
References: <619d00930909091822i24358cd3r7207de53e11e014b@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AA8625B.6020801@asenseofdesign.com>
	<619d00930909092050u193b889bh8a113c9271ddc88@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090910041017.GA1789@jenna.rjmolesa.homelinux.net>

*On Wed, Sep 09, 2009 at 08:50:43PM -0700 Joel Canfield <joel at bizba6.com> wrote:

> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 20:50:43 -0700
> From: Joel Canfield <joel at bizba6.com>
> Subject: Re: [thelist] what's the hole in my contact form anti-spam?
> To: "thelist at lists.evolt.org" <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
> 
> On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 7:20 PM, Roberto Gorj?o
> <roberto at asenseofdesign.com>wrote:
> 
> > You're missing the
> >
> > if($_POST['fettucine'] = 'wet') {
> >
> > on line 1, and another
> >
> > }
> >
> > at the end.
> >
> > Also, you're missing the "for" attributes in your label tags.
> >
> > Roberto
> >
> >
> Perhaps I was unclear. I'll try again.
> 
> My form sends the value of a hidden field. If the response form doesn't
> receive that value for that field (as in, spammers access the form directly
> without adding that bit of info they can't know) the form won't process.
> 
> Yet, we are getting spam, such as the sample I sent.
> 
> How? Why? What logic error have I made which is allowing random spammers to
> access the back end, sending us trash emails, bypassing my logic?

They are including the hidden field as part of the submit.

> 
> joel
> -- 
> 
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> 
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From joel at bizba6.com  Wed Sep  9 23:16:18 2009
From: joel at bizba6.com (Joel Canfield)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 21:16:18 -0700
Subject: [thelist] what's the hole in my contact form anti-spam?
In-Reply-To: <20090910041017.GA1789@jenna.rjmolesa.homelinux.net>
References: <619d00930909091822i24358cd3r7207de53e11e014b@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AA8625B.6020801@asenseofdesign.com>
	<619d00930909092050u193b889bh8a113c9271ddc88@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090910041017.GA1789@jenna.rjmolesa.homelinux.net>
Message-ID: <619d00930909092116o4b986366j1dba93b3b42005f4@mail.gmail.com>

>
> They are including the hidden field as part of the submit.
>
> okay, I guess that's logical; how? they're parsing the contact page, then
going to the response page?

joel

From rjmolesa at consoltec.net  Thu Sep 10 00:01:17 2009
From: rjmolesa at consoltec.net (Jon Molesa)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 01:01:17 -0400
Subject: [thelist] what's the hole in my contact form anti-spam?
In-Reply-To: <619d00930909092116o4b986366j1dba93b3b42005f4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <619d00930909091822i24358cd3r7207de53e11e014b@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AA8625B.6020801@asenseofdesign.com>
	<619d00930909092050u193b889bh8a113c9271ddc88@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090910041017.GA1789@jenna.rjmolesa.homelinux.net>
	<619d00930909092116o4b986366j1dba93b3b42005f4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090910050117.GB1789@jenna.rjmolesa.homelinux.net>

*On Wed, Sep 09, 2009 at 09:16:18PM -0700 Joel Canfield <joel at bizba6.com> wrote:

> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 21:16:18 -0700
> From: Joel Canfield <joel at bizba6.com>
> Subject: Re: [thelist] what's the hole in my contact form anti-spam?
> To: "thelist at lists.evolt.org" <thelist at lists.evolt.org>
> 
> >
> > They are including the hidden field as part of the submit
> >
> > okay, I guess that's logical; how? they're parsing the contact page, then
> going to the response page?

Several scripting languages make this a trivial exercise, including PHP.
Using PHP and curl one can write a scrapping bot.  It's easy enough to
assume that all fields including hidden ones are required for a form to
submit and process.  So just like a browser, the script downloads the
page, adds information to the form and submits it to the action url for
processing.  There's nothing tricky about it.  A 'hidden' field is still
visible client side.

Once the get a successful post they no longer even need to grab the
form.  They can just post the same fields with different values to your
processing script.

As an exercise save your form to another PHP enabled webserver, perhaps
a development machine.  Change the action to reflect the full URL of the
processing script.  Then open that page in a browser and fill it out and
submit.

That's all the scrappers are doing.

You need some way to either test for a human sitting at the form loaded
into the browser, or some way to test weather the data received actually
came from the form loaded into a browser.

> 
> joel
> -- 
> 
> * * Please support the community that supports you.  * *
> http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
> 
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From raoul.snyman at saturnlaboratories.co.za  Thu Sep 10 00:28:00 2009
From: raoul.snyman at saturnlaboratories.co.za (Raoul Snyman)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 07:28:00 +0200
Subject: [thelist]
	=?utf-8?q?what=27s_the_hole_in_my_contact_form_anti-spa?=
	=?utf-8?q?m=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <619d00930909092116o4b986366j1dba93b3b42005f4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <619d00930909091822i24358cd3r7207de53e11e014b@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AA8625B.6020801@asenseofdesign.com>
	<619d00930909092050u193b889bh8a113c9271ddc88@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090910041017.GA1789@jenna.rjmolesa.homelinux.net>
	<619d00930909092116o4b986366j1dba93b3b42005f4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2fca146322a23e74b587e0d458efb4f0@localhost>

On Wed, 9 Sep 2009 21:16:18 -0700, Joel Canfield <joel at bizba6.com> wrote:
>> okay, I guess that's logical; how? they're parsing the contact page,
then
> going to the response page?

You are, in effect, running a reverse honeypot.

-- 
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Saturn Laboratories
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From tonyc at boldfish.co.uk  Thu Sep 10 02:12:24 2009
From: tonyc at boldfish.co.uk (Tony Crockford)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 08:12:24 +0100
Subject: [thelist] what's the hole in my contact form anti-spam?
In-Reply-To: <619d00930909092050u193b889bh8a113c9271ddc88@mail.gmail.com>
References: <619d00930909091822i24358cd3r7207de53e11e014b@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AA8625B.6020801@asenseofdesign.com>
	<619d00930909092050u193b889bh8a113c9271ddc88@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D849CFC-97BD-4FC4-84C0-ACB94847F2B8@boldfish.co.uk>


On 10 Sep 2009, at 04:50, Joel Canfield wrote:
>
>
> How? Why? What logic error have I made which is allowing random  
> spammers to
> access the back end, sending us trash emails, bypassing my logic?

as Roberto said, the hidden field obviously is sent easily, *but* the  
input for your spambot test question isn't even being tested?

and to make that work properly, test for it, and also make the  
question random in the form.

so the form posts a series of randomly chosen easily answered  
questions, and then check the contant of that form in the processor  
against your array of possible answers.

that will make it slightly harder for spammers to send form content to  
the processor directly - they won't know which questions you're using  
today and which answers are correct?.


From brundlefly at gmail.com  Thu Sep 10 02:19:35 2009
From: brundlefly at gmail.com (Shannon Hubbell)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 00:19:35 -0700
Subject: [thelist] CSS transparency question
In-Reply-To: <61ed1fc20909091604t10da0f88t40461c2ee58f4243@mail.gmail.com>
References: <61ed1fc20909091604t10da0f88t40461c2ee58f4243@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43fee5d00909100019p232f6e6dof40459d367b9e540@mail.gmail.com>

If you set the opacity of a parent, that opacity is inherited by any child.
Your "opaque" class is already set to 100 opacity by default. It can't get
any more opaque than it is. I can think of two things you can do to
accomplish what you want.

#1 Use a 90% opacity .png as the background of your "seethrough" class. This
will be an issue with IE6, but there are ways around it.

#2 Take .opaque out of .seethrough entirely, then position .opaque over
.seethrough.

Hope that helps.

~S


On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 4:04 PM, Jay Turley <jayturley at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all-
>
> I have a design I am having trouble implementing (and sorry, no URL, so
> this
> will have to be a conceptual question). There is a toolbar which floats
> over
> an image, and the toolbar is slightly transparent, enough to reveal what is
> underneath it. The designer wants a portion of the toolbar to be opaque.
>
> The html is essentially:
>
> <div class="content">
>    <p>Image stuff resides in this area.</p>
>    <div id="toolbar" class="seethrough">
>         <div class="opaque">
>            <p>This content should be opaque.</p>
>        </div>         <div>
>            <p>This content inherits transparency.</p>
>        </div>
>    </div>
> </div>
>
> The pertinent CSS looks like:
>
> .seethrough {
>    opacity: 0.9;
>    -moz-opacity: 0.9;
>    filter: alpha(opacity=90);
> }
>
> I naively tried this:
>
> .opaque {
>     opacity: 1.0;
>    -moz-opacity: 1.0;
>    filter: alpha(opacity=100);
> }
>
> but it didn't work.
>
> Any ideas on how this can be done?
>
> Thanks!
>
> -Jay
> --
>
> * * Please support the community that supports you.  * *
> http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
>
> For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester
> and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org
> Workers of the Web, evolt !
>

From barney.carroll at gmail.com  Thu Sep 10 02:24:32 2009
From: barney.carroll at gmail.com (Barney Carroll)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 08:24:32 +0100
Subject: [thelist] CSS transparency question
In-Reply-To: <009d01ca31c8$d8683a50$8938aef0$@com>
References: <61ed1fc20909091604t10da0f88t40461c2ee58f4243@mail.gmail.com> 
	<009d01ca31c8$d8683a50$8938aef0$@com>
Message-ID: <472577830909100024o616e7d4r294a1464e0409952@mail.gmail.com>

All the contents of seethrough will appear 90% opaque according to these
styles. You're telling one of the children to appear completely opaque, but
it already is by default (and so is its sibling) ? they're just inside a
slightly transparent container.

What you need to do is:

.seethrough * {
   opacity: 0.9;
   -moz-opacity: 0.9;
   filter: alpha(opacity=90);
}

.seethrough * *,
.opaque {
    opacity: 1.0;
   -moz-opacity: 1.0;
   filter: alpha(opacity=100);
}

This will give the transparent properties to all the immediate children of
the container, with the second rule meaning that all the
further descendants, and anything with the opaque class applied, will keep
full opacity. No need to change the HTML using this method.

Barney Carroll

barney.carroll at gmail.com
07594 506 381


2009/9/10 Jenni Beard <jenni at theweblotus.com>

> Can you upload at least a screenshot to better illustrate what you're
> doing?
>
> Jenni
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org
> [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Jay Turley
> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 7:04 PM
> To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> Subject: [thelist] CSS transparency question
>
> Hi all-
>
> I have a design I am having trouble implementing (and sorry, no URL, so
> this
> will have to be a conceptual question). There is a toolbar which floats
> over
> an image, and the toolbar is slightly transparent, enough to reveal what is
> underneath it. The designer wants a portion of the toolbar to be opaque.
>
> The html is essentially:
>
> <div class="content">
>    <p>Image stuff resides in this area.</p>
>    <div id="toolbar" class="seethrough">
>         <div class="opaque">
>            <p>This content should be opaque.</p>
>        </div>         <div>
>            <p>This content inherits transparency.</p>
>        </div>
>    </div>
> </div>
>
> The pertinent CSS looks like:
>
> .seethrough {
>    opacity: 0.9;
>    -moz-opacity: 0.9;
>    filter: alpha(opacity=90);
> }
>
> I naively tried this:
>
> .opaque {
>     opacity: 1.0;
>    -moz-opacity: 1.0;
>    filter: alpha(opacity=100);
> }
>
> but it didn't work.
>
> Any ideas on how this can be done?
>
> Thanks!
>
> -Jay
> --
>
> * * Please support the community that supports you.  * *
> http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
>
> For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester
> and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org
> Workers of the Web, evolt !
>
> --
>
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>
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From jayturley at gmail.com  Thu Sep 10 02:26:26 2009
From: jayturley at gmail.com (Jay Turley)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 00:26:26 -0700
Subject: [thelist] CSS transparency question
In-Reply-To: <43fee5d00909100019p232f6e6dof40459d367b9e540@mail.gmail.com>
References: <61ed1fc20909091604t10da0f88t40461c2ee58f4243@mail.gmail.com> 
	<43fee5d00909100019p232f6e6dof40459d367b9e540@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <61ed1fc20909100026i4437b096q9904559b9e024fa5@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, Shannon, that's exactly what I needed to know.

On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 12:19 AM, Shannon Hubbell <brundlefly at gmail.com>wrote:

> If you set the opacity of a parent, that opacity is inherited by any child.
> Your "opaque" class is already set to 100 opacity by default. It can't get
> any more opaque than it is. I can think of two things you can do to
> accomplish what you want.
>
> #1 Use a 90% opacity .png as the background of your "seethrough" class.
> This
> will be an issue with IE6, but there are ways around it.
>
> #2 Take .opaque out of .seethrough entirely, then position .opaque over
> .seethrough.
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> ~S
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 4:04 PM, Jay Turley <jayturley at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi all-
> >
> > I have a design I am having trouble implementing (and sorry, no URL, so
> > this
> > will have to be a conceptual question). There is a toolbar which floats
> > over
> > an image, and the toolbar is slightly transparent, enough to reveal what
> is
> > underneath it. The designer wants a portion of the toolbar to be opaque.
> >
> > The html is essentially:
> >
> > <div class="content">
> >    <p>Image stuff resides in this area.</p>
> >    <div id="toolbar" class="seethrough">
> >         <div class="opaque">
> >            <p>This content should be opaque.</p>
> >        </div>         <div>
> >            <p>This content inherits transparency.</p>
> >        </div>
> >    </div>
> > </div>
> >
> > The pertinent CSS looks like:
> >
> > .seethrough {
> >    opacity: 0.9;
> >    -moz-opacity: 0.9;
> >    filter: alpha(opacity=90);
> > }
> >
> > I naively tried this:
> >
> > .opaque {
> >     opacity: 1.0;
> >    -moz-opacity: 1.0;
> >    filter: alpha(opacity=100);
> > }
> >
> > but it didn't work.
> >
> > Any ideas on how this can be done?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > -Jay
> > --
> >
> > * * Please support the community that supports you.  * *
> > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
> >
> > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester
> > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org
> > Workers of the Web, evolt !
> >
> --
>
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> http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
>
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From jayturley at gmail.com  Thu Sep 10 02:27:40 2009
From: jayturley at gmail.com (Jay Turley)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 00:27:40 -0700
Subject: [thelist] CSS transparency question
In-Reply-To: <472577830909100024o616e7d4r294a1464e0409952@mail.gmail.com>
References: <61ed1fc20909091604t10da0f88t40461c2ee58f4243@mail.gmail.com> 
	<009d01ca31c8$d8683a50$8938aef0$@com>
	<472577830909100024o616e7d4r294a1464e0409952@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <61ed1fc20909100027t7ef7e87ib81ab0056cdae354@mail.gmail.com>

Wow, Barney, you're taking my CSS to a whole new level. Thanks for those
specifications; that looks like it will solve my problem.

On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 12:24 AM, Barney Carroll
<barney.carroll at gmail.com>wrote:

> All the contents of seethrough will appear 90% opaque according to these
> styles. You're telling one of the children to appear completely opaque, but
> it already is by default (and so is its sibling) ? they're just inside a
> slightly transparent container.
>
> What you need to do is:
>
> .seethrough * {
>   opacity: 0.9;
>   -moz-opacity: 0.9;
>   filter: alpha(opacity=90);
> }
>
> .seethrough * *,
> .opaque {
>    opacity: 1.0;
>   -moz-opacity: 1.0;
>   filter: alpha(opacity=100);
> }
>
> This will give the transparent properties to all the immediate children of
> the container, with the second rule meaning that all the
> further descendants, and anything with the opaque class applied, will keep
> full opacity. No need to change the HTML using this method.
>
> Barney Carroll
>
> barney.carroll at gmail.com
> 07594 506 381
>
>
> 2009/9/10 Jenni Beard <jenni at theweblotus.com>
>
> > Can you upload at least a screenshot to better illustrate what you're
> > doing?
> >
> > Jenni
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org
> > [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Jay Turley
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 7:04 PM
> > To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> > Subject: [thelist] CSS transparency question
> >
> > Hi all-
> >
> > I have a design I am having trouble implementing (and sorry, no URL, so
> > this
> > will have to be a conceptual question). There is a toolbar which floats
> > over
> > an image, and the toolbar is slightly transparent, enough to reveal what
> is
> > underneath it. The designer wants a portion of the toolbar to be opaque.
> >
> > The html is essentially:
> >
> > <div class="content">
> >    <p>Image stuff resides in this area.</p>
> >    <div id="toolbar" class="seethrough">
> >         <div class="opaque">
> >            <p>This content should be opaque.</p>
> >        </div>         <div>
> >            <p>This content inherits transparency.</p>
> >        </div>
> >    </div>
> > </div>
> >
> > The pertinent CSS looks like:
> >
> > .seethrough {
> >    opacity: 0.9;
> >    -moz-opacity: 0.9;
> >    filter: alpha(opacity=90);
> > }
> >
> > I naively tried this:
> >
> > .opaque {
> >     opacity: 1.0;
> >    -moz-opacity: 1.0;
> >    filter: alpha(opacity=100);
> > }
> >
> > but it didn't work.
> >
> > Any ideas on how this can be done?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > -Jay
> > --
> >
> > * * Please support the community that supports you.  * *
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> >
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From beertastic at gmail.com  Thu Sep 10 04:11:44 2009
From: beertastic at gmail.com (Tris)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:11:44 +0100
Subject: [thelist] Data capture in Drupal...
Message-ID: <8b20a7490909100211k55e6b486t2dd3dabaa1e815a5@mail.gmail.com>

I'm new to Drupal and google isn't my friend today... :-(
(I'm a PHP developer, but new to Drupal)

I need to create a data capture table.
Theuser goes to a form, enters data in fields 1, 2 and 3 etc...
I then store that in my DB in a drupal, or custom table..

I'm hugely confused how to do that...
Anyone know if a module or a how to to point me in teh right direction?

Tris...



-- 
"The only people who don't make mistakes are those who don't do anything"

Give a man a fish and he'll feed himself for a day.
Give a man a religion and he'll starve to death praying for a fish.
Anon

`We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful what we pretend to be.`
Kurt Vonnegut

`When a person can no longer laugh at himself, it is time for others
to laugh at him.`
Thomas Szasz

From tonyc at boldfish.co.uk  Thu Sep 10 04:24:39 2009
From: tonyc at boldfish.co.uk (Tony Crockford)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:24:39 +0100
Subject: [thelist] Data capture in Drupal...
In-Reply-To: <8b20a7490909100211k55e6b486t2dd3dabaa1e815a5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8b20a7490909100211k55e6b486t2dd3dabaa1e815a5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AE2643A1-69B4-4988-9FE3-A0FC575C1246@boldfish.co.uk>


On 10 Sep 2009, at 10:11, Tris wrote:

> I'm new to Drupal and google isn't my friend today... :-(
> (I'm a PHP developer, but new to Drupal)
>
> I need to create a data capture table.
> Theuser goes to a form, enters data in fields 1, 2 and 3 etc...
> I then store that in my DB in a drupal, or custom table..
>
> I'm hugely confused how to do that...
> Anyone know if a module or a how to to point me in teh right  
> direction?

CCK and Views are two modules that you would find enlightening I think:

http://drupal.org/project/cck  [1]
http://drupal.org/project/views

so you'd use CCK to create your data table as a content type - set up  
who can use it in user permissions etc

then that will allow users to enter data into fields in a form and  
store it with the Drupal data

you can then use the views module to creat a way to display that  
'node' or lists of data etc.


hth

;)



[1] there are other modules that add to CCK that you might need:
http://drupal.org/project/date
http://drupal.org/project/filefield
http://drupal.org/project/imagefield
http://drupal.org/project/token

see also:
http://drupal.org/taxonomy/term/88

From marun2 at gmail.com  Thu Sep 10 04:31:46 2009
From: marun2 at gmail.com (Mohan Arun L)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 15:01:46 +0530
Subject: [thelist] what's the hole in my contact form anti-spam?
Message-ID: <ca1b22cc0909100231h32b39c48od3e80e9d43713cf0@mail.gmail.com>

>>>>You need some way to either test for a human sitting at the form loaded
into the browser, or some way to test weather the data received actually
came from the form loaded into a browser.
>>>

I get such contact form spam all the time.
Simply include a recaptcha script as part of your form to verify if
form submissions are being made by humans.


* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
www.mohanarun.com

From morrison.ben at gmail.com  Thu Sep 10 04:35:46 2009
From: morrison.ben at gmail.com (ben morrison)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:35:46 +0100
Subject: [thelist] CSS transparency question
In-Reply-To: <472577830909100024o616e7d4r294a1464e0409952@mail.gmail.com>
References: <61ed1fc20909091604t10da0f88t40461c2ee58f4243@mail.gmail.com>
	<009d01ca31c8$d8683a50$8938aef0$@com>
	<472577830909100024o616e7d4r294a1464e0409952@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6073aef90909100235l19550b45o5c299caf65b8e283@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 8:24 AM, Barney Carroll
<barney.carroll at gmail.com> wrote:
> All the contents of seethrough will appear 90% opaque according to these
> styles. You're telling one of the children to appear completely opaque, but
> it already is by default (and so is its sibling) ? they're just inside a
> slightly transparent container.
>
> What you need to do is:
>
> .seethrough * {
> ? opacity: 0.9;
> ? -moz-opacity: 0.9;
> ? filter: alpha(opacity=90);
> }
>
> .seethrough * *,
> .opaque {
> ? ?opacity: 1.0;
> ? -moz-opacity: 1.0;
> ? filter: alpha(opacity=100);
> }

All children will still have 0.9 opacity.

The best solution for this is to have 2 items, 1 transparent and 1
opaque wrapped in a container div, and use absolute positioning.

ben
--
Ben Morrison

From morrison.ben at gmail.com  Thu Sep 10 04:37:08 2009
From: morrison.ben at gmail.com (ben morrison)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:37:08 +0100
Subject: [thelist] CSS transparency question
In-Reply-To: <6073aef90909100235l19550b45o5c299caf65b8e283@mail.gmail.com>
References: <61ed1fc20909091604t10da0f88t40461c2ee58f4243@mail.gmail.com>
	<009d01ca31c8$d8683a50$8938aef0$@com>
	<472577830909100024o616e7d4r294a1464e0409952@mail.gmail.com>
	<6073aef90909100235l19550b45o5c299caf65b8e283@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6073aef90909100237h6174e2cv5ff5273981ab7713@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 10:35 AM, ben morrison <morrison.ben at gmail.com> wrote:

> All children will still have 0.9 opacity.
>
> The best solution for this is to have 2 items, 1 transparent and 1
> opaque wrapped in a container div, and use absolute positioning.
>

PS - or if you can use a png background as someone has already put forward.

-- 
Ben Morrison

From marun2 at gmail.com  Thu Sep 10 04:37:30 2009
From: marun2 at gmail.com (Mohan Arun L)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 15:07:30 +0530
Subject: [thelist] .htaccess redirect issue
Message-ID: <ca1b22cc0909100237m1e2ae729jd42cb3c1188a554f@mail.gmail.com>

>>>Also, I think you need a slash before the index.php. e.g.

  >>>     ErrorDocument 404 /index.php

I am using this in my non-wordpress sites htaccess

ErrorDocument 404 /

to redirect 404 pages to root. They are all sites with just a couple
of pages, so this works nicely as I havent gotten around to create a
custom 404 page as of yet.



* * * * * * * * *
www.mohanarun.com

From beertastic at gmail.com  Thu Sep 10 04:47:43 2009
From: beertastic at gmail.com (Tris)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:47:43 +0100
Subject: [thelist] Data capture in Drupal...
In-Reply-To: <AE2643A1-69B4-4988-9FE3-A0FC575C1246@boldfish.co.uk>
References: <8b20a7490909100211k55e6b486t2dd3dabaa1e815a5@mail.gmail.com> 
	<AE2643A1-69B4-4988-9FE3-A0FC575C1246@boldfish.co.uk>
Message-ID: <8b20a7490909100247w4cd0d2f5p2a223e0fe4ed07f5@mail.gmail.com>

Well, that's my day sorted then...
I'm off to do some reading..!

Thanks!!!


2009/9/10 Tony Crockford <tonyc at boldfish.co.uk>:
>
> On 10 Sep 2009, at 10:11, Tris wrote:
>
>> I'm new to Drupal and google isn't my friend today... :-(
>> (I'm a PHP developer, but new to Drupal)
>>
>> I need to create a data capture table.
>> Theuser goes to a form, enters data in fields 1, 2 and 3 etc...
>> I then store that in my DB in a drupal, or custom table..
>>
>> I'm hugely confused how to do that...
>> Anyone know if a module or a how to to point me in teh right
>> direction?
>
> CCK and Views are two modules that you would find enlightening I think:
>
> http://drupal.org/project/cck ?[1]
> http://drupal.org/project/views
>
> so you'd use CCK to create your data table as a content type - set up
> who can use it in user permissions etc
>
> then that will allow users to enter data into fields in a form and
> store it with the Drupal data
>
> you can then use the views module to creat a way to display that
> 'node' or lists of data etc.
>
>
> hth
>
> ;)
>
>
>
> [1] there are other modules that add to CCK that you might need:
> http://drupal.org/project/date
> http://drupal.org/project/filefield
> http://drupal.org/project/imagefield
> http://drupal.org/project/token
>
> see also:
> http://drupal.org/taxonomy/term/88
> --
>
> * * Please support the community that supports you. ?* *
> http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
>
> For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester
> and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org
> Workers of the Web, evolt !
>



-- 
"The only people who don't make mistakes are those who don't do anything"

Give a man a fish and he'll feed himself for a day.
Give a man a religion and he'll starve to death praying for a fish.
Anon

`We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful what we pretend to be.`
Kurt Vonnegut

`When a person can no longer laugh at himself, it is time for others
to laugh at him.`
Thomas Szasz

From morrison.ben at gmail.com  Thu Sep 10 04:50:07 2009
From: morrison.ben at gmail.com (ben morrison)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:50:07 +0100
Subject: [thelist] CSS transparency question
In-Reply-To: <6073aef90909100237h6174e2cv5ff5273981ab7713@mail.gmail.com>
References: <61ed1fc20909091604t10da0f88t40461c2ee58f4243@mail.gmail.com>
	<009d01ca31c8$d8683a50$8938aef0$@com>
	<472577830909100024o616e7d4r294a1464e0409952@mail.gmail.com>
	<6073aef90909100235l19550b45o5c299caf65b8e283@mail.gmail.com>
	<6073aef90909100237h6174e2cv5ff5273981ab7713@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6073aef90909100250w5bc5ecb2tc818bada4b582759@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 10:37 AM, ben morrison <morrison.ben at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 10:35 AM, ben morrison <morrison.ben at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> All children will still have 0.9 opacity.
>>
>> The best solution for this is to have 2 items, 1 transparent and 1
>> opaque wrapped in a container div, and use absolute positioning.
>>
>
> PS - or if you can use a png background as someone has already put forward.

PPS you need to be aware that IE8 treats transparency differently

http://www.quirksmode.org/css/opacity.html

-- 
Ben Morrison

From viggie at viggie.com  Thu Sep 10 05:54:22 2009
From: viggie at viggie.com (Viggie)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 16:24:22 +0530
Subject: [thelist] Data capture in Drupal...
In-Reply-To: <8b20a7490909100211k55e6b486t2dd3dabaa1e815a5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8b20a7490909100211k55e6b486t2dd3dabaa1e815a5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1252580062.7759.3.camel@dell>

On Thu, 2009-09-10 at 10:11 +0100, Tris wrote:

> I'm new to Drupal and google isn't my friend today... :-(
> (I'm a PHP developer, but new to Drupal)
> 
> I need to create a data capture table.
> Theuser goes to a form, enters data in fields 1, 2 and 3 etc...
> I then store that in my DB in a drupal, or custom table..
> 
> I'm hugely confused how to do that...
> Anyone know if a module or a how to to point me in teh right direction?
> 
> Tris...
> 
> 
> 

If it is just capturing data, you may want to use 'WebForm' 
http://drupal.org/project/webform 

The data can be viewed in 'results' tab of the form page & also made to
send email (optional).

cheers,
Viggie
_______________________
http://www.viggie.com 

From fredthejonester at gmail.com  Thu Sep 10 07:56:45 2009
From: fredthejonester at gmail.com (Fred Jones)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 15:56:45 +0300
Subject: [thelist] Data capture in Drupal...
In-Reply-To: <1252580062.7759.3.camel@dell>
References: <8b20a7490909100211k55e6b486t2dd3dabaa1e815a5@mail.gmail.com>
	<1252580062.7759.3.camel@dell>
Message-ID: <177c0a10909100556necc23aal58b88d4da6d76e79@mail.gmail.com>

>> I need to create a data capture table.
>> Theuser goes to a form, enters data in fields 1, 2 and 3 etc...
>> I then store that in my DB in a drupal, or custom table..
>>
>> I'm hugely confused how to do that...
>> Anyone know if a module or a how to to point me in teh right direction?

> If it is just capturing data, you may want to use 'WebForm'
> http://drupal.org/project/webform

Not "may" want to use. You ABSOLUTELY want to use this and not CCK.
Unless you have bizarre requirements, then webform was made for
precisely what you describe.

F

From gildororonar at mail-on.us  Thu Sep 10 10:24:36 2009
From: gildororonar at mail-on.us (gildororonar at mail-on.us)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:24:36 -0500
Subject: [thelist] knowledge of dealing with design work for customers
Message-ID: <20090910102436.26075nwk6cd9fius@www.vfemail.net>

Hello. As someone who tries to take a design role I would like to ask
for some insights on this very issue:

All the design work can be very sensitive for customers, especially if their
consider their sales, reputation or everything can be heavily influenced by
the design, or they think they pay to look outstanding, which is more and
more difficult nowadays.

They are unsure of what they need, but they feel they must act
on something to get the better, so it happens you get them a design draft,
they have comment, you make a second one, they do it again, and it can go
for long time. They make comments, suggest a move on the shape or line,
want to try it brighter or lighter, compare to other people's work, and
use the partial criteria learned from others or concluded by themselves
to make the points.

Since I have been in software development role and desktop IT support role
for many years and directly communicate with users, I understand what I
need to say in this case. I can reason my doing with a proper logic. If
they consider change to a shape, or a small change from this to that, I
either know how to do it easy and fast, or to reason why we keep it that
way, and I am confident about what I say. However I know I spent many
years to achieve that. To properly convince customer I need rich knowledge
how other IT systems works for comparison 'cos my user would refer to
other systems, I also need to know completely how current system works to
be consistent about my saying, I also need good IT skill if user really
wants it that way or I think it's reasonable that way, which is OT (of
dealing customer relationship) but important anyway. A good sense of
time estimation is also important. To add to the list, I have good
knowledge of customer's business to prioritize requests correctly, even the
potential ones so I can plan well.

For the design things it become more difficult. Re-getting the knowledge
takes years. So my question is:

* is there an easy way to get it quicker, can it be listed as clear as
I list the knowledge I needed on my IT support / development role
so I get a "thread" to follow.

* is there a shortcut to get knowledge of dealing with design customers.
I know typical answer to all "shortcut" question is "work the hard way,
if you are thinking of shortcut all the time you don't gain". Yes I
/know/ that, as I went through these on my other job roles. But still,
as a hardworking person I can tell something to another hardworking
person some "short cut" on areas I am familiar with. The shortcuts
ain't magical, and is not supposed to replace hardworking, but useful
too.

General ideas on improving design itself isn't my main question,
because this is a FAQ, I know how to google, I also read
many such article and is on the way of improving. I just ask the
side I am blind at.

Thanks in advance

way of improving.


From rjmolesa at consoltec.net  Thu Sep 10 10:59:28 2009
From: rjmolesa at consoltec.net (Jon Molesa)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 11:59:28 -0400
Subject: [thelist] what's the hole in my contact form anti-spam?
In-Reply-To: <ca1b22cc0909100231h32b39c48od3e80e9d43713cf0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ca1b22cc0909100231h32b39c48od3e80e9d43713cf0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090910155928.GD1789@jenna.rjmolesa.homelinux.net>

*On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 03:01:46PM +0530 Mohan Arun L <marun2 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 15:01:46 +0530
> From: Mohan Arun L <marun2 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [thelist] what's the hole in my contact form anti-spam?
> To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> 
> >>>>You need some way to either test for a human sitting at the form loaded
> into the browser, or some way to test weather the data received actually
> came from the form loaded into a browser.

> >>>
> 
> I get such contact form spam all the time.
> Simply include a recaptcha script as part of your form to verify if
> form submissions are being made by humans.

Yes, specifically I was alluding to recaptcha.  I have used it with
great success.  Though the last time I mentioned it during a similar
discussion, no one seemed to care.
> 
> 
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> www.mohanarun.com
> -- 
> 
> * * Please support the community that supports you.  * *
> http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
> 
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> and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org 
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-- 
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if you're bored or curious
http://rjmolesa.com

From sunlust at gmail.com  Thu Sep 10 11:29:12 2009
From: sunlust at gmail.com (Krystian - Sunlust)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 17:29:12 +0100
Subject: [thelist] How to check if a domain has hosting
Message-ID: <e158c8670909100929l70504133yc5d2f19d04a15a44@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

We have a bit of a problem with one of the clients, he has over 20
different domains and due to problems with forwarding and the settings
he is loosing out on SEO I provide.

His hosting company claims that there is no hosting on a number of
domains, just redirect, but I can see that on some of those domains
there is PR (Google bar shows it), while on others there isn't.

Google is totally confused ranking few of the domains, while it
shouldn't if they're forwarded.
I was thinking it might be framed forwarding, but if I hover some of
the links on the website they go to www.xxx.com while others go to
www.yyy.com (xxx.com being the domain, www.yyy.com being the domain it
should be forwarded to)

I tried to type www.xxx.com/cpanel and it comes up with a dialog box,
now, if it's frame forwarding, is it possible that it's taking that
Cpanel login from the domain it should be forwarding to?

Anyway, sorry for going deep into details, I can't provide the URL or
the code due to the privacy of the client, but in theory, is there any
way to check if a domain has hosting on it?

Best regards,

-- 
Krystian Szastok
Affordable, Freelance Web Designer in Eastbourne, East Sussex:
http://eastbournewebdesign.net
Mobile UK (Orange): 07528 036 337
Call for more information or email me.

From nan at nanharbison.com  Thu Sep 10 11:25:02 2009
From: nan at nanharbison.com (Nan Harbison)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 12:25:02 -0400
Subject: [thelist] what's the hole in my contact form anti-spam?
In-Reply-To: <ca1b22cc0909100231h32b39c48od3e80e9d43713cf0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ca1b22cc0909100231h32b39c48od3e80e9d43713cf0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0725A9AACAA6412EB69768295E424411@nancyb0bda4ba6>

My client did NOT want a captcha under any circumstances, so in desperation,
after watching how the fields were filled out by bots for a few weeks, I
created this code:


	 $findspam1 = strpos($_POST['message'], "[");
	 $findspam2 = strpos($_POST['message'], "]");
	 $findspam3 = strpos($_POST['message'], "url");
	 $findspam4 = strpos($_POST['message'], "http://");
	 $findspam5 = strpos($_POST['message'], "link=");
	 if ($findspam1==false && $findspam2==false && $findspam3==false &&
$findspam4==false && $findspam5==false)
	 {
	  if ---the code you already have here----
		{
			to do whatever
		}
	 }

And I haven't had any spam since then, and now, having said that, I bet I am
going to have to eat those words!!!

Nan

-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Mohan Arun L
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 5:32 AM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: Re: [thelist] what's the hole in my contact form anti-spam?

>>>>You need some way to either test for a human sitting at the form 
>>>>loaded
into the browser, or some way to test weather the data received actually
came from the form loaded into a browser.
>>>

I get such contact form spam all the time.
Simply include a recaptcha script as part of your form to verify if form
submissions are being made by humans.


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From barney.carroll at gmail.com  Thu Sep 10 11:31:38 2009
From: barney.carroll at gmail.com (Barney Carroll)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 17:31:38 +0100
Subject: [thelist] what's the hole in my contact form anti-spam?
In-Reply-To: <20090910155928.GD1789@jenna.rjmolesa.homelinux.net>
References: <ca1b22cc0909100231h32b39c48od3e80e9d43713cf0@mail.gmail.com> 
	<20090910155928.GD1789@jenna.rjmolesa.homelinux.net>
Message-ID: <472577830909100931s9038dach9294abe45744cee6@mail.gmail.com>

>
> Yes, specifically I was alluding to recaptcha.  I have used it with great
> success.  Though the last time I mentioned it during a similar discussion,
> no one seemed to care.


I remember that discussion. I think everyone acknowledged that it was great
for keeping bots out, but also that a few people were prone to simply give
up after a few failed attempts.

Regards,
Barney Carroll

barney.carroll at gmail.com
07594 506 381


2009/9/10 Jon Molesa <rjmolesa at consoltec.net>

> *On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 03:01:46PM +0530 Mohan Arun L <marun2 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 15:01:46 +0530
> > From: Mohan Arun L <marun2 at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [thelist] what's the hole in my contact form anti-spam?
> > To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> >
> > >>>>You need some way to either test for a human sitting at the form
> loaded
> > into the browser, or some way to test weather the data received actually
> > came from the form loaded into a browser.
>
> > >>>
> >
> > I get such contact form spam all the time.
> > Simply include a recaptcha script as part of your form to verify if
> > form submissions are being made by humans.
>
> Yes, specifically I was alluding to recaptcha.  I have used it with
> great success.  Though the last time I mentioned it during a similar
> discussion, no one seemed to care.
> >
> >
> > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> > www.mohanarun.com
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From joel at bizba6.com  Thu Sep 10 11:35:54 2009
From: joel at bizba6.com (Joel Canfield)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:35:54 -0700
Subject: [thelist] what's the hole in my contact form anti-spam?
In-Reply-To: <472577830909100931s9038dach9294abe45744cee6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ca1b22cc0909100231h32b39c48od3e80e9d43713cf0@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090910155928.GD1789@jenna.rjmolesa.homelinux.net>
	<472577830909100931s9038dach9294abe45744cee6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <619d00930909100935u40a94bbjc5d5eb82cea306f7@mail.gmail.com>

>
> people were prone to simply give
> up after a few failed attempts.
>
> my goal is to take the burden on myself, not give visitors more hoops to
jump through.

if, in the end, I (or my clients) have to deal with more spam, that's a cost
of customer service. since I choose to work with people who hire me for my
business advice as well as my technical skills (such as they are) it's a
workable stance, for now.

I'll add some of the checks (Nan's, and others) and see how that works.

Thanks, all

joel

From nan at nanharbison.com  Thu Sep 10 11:36:42 2009
From: nan at nanharbison.com (Nan Harbison)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 12:36:42 -0400
Subject: [thelist] Data capture in Drupal...
In-Reply-To: <177c0a10909100556necc23aal58b88d4da6d76e79@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8b20a7490909100211k55e6b486t2dd3dabaa1e815a5@mail.gmail.com><1252580062.7759.3.camel@dell>
	<177c0a10909100556necc23aal58b88d4da6d76e79@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D84AE36A1A0644A8AE400C33192F3370@nancyb0bda4ba6>

Amen to this. The CCK was tediously painful to set up, one form element at a
time, so I gave up and created my own. 
I am going to check out webform.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Fred Jones
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 8:57 AM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: Re: [thelist] Data capture in Drupal...

>> I need to create a data capture table.
>> Theuser goes to a form, enters data in fields 1, 2 and 3 etc...
>> I then store that in my DB in a drupal, or custom table..
>>
>> I'm hugely confused how to do that...
>> Anyone know if a module or a how to to point me in teh right direction?

> If it is just capturing data, you may want to use 'WebForm'
> http://drupal.org/project/webform

Not "may" want to use. You ABSOLUTELY want to use this and not CCK.
Unless you have bizarre requirements, then webform was made for precisely
what you describe.

F
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From tonyc at boldfish.co.uk  Thu Sep 10 11:58:24 2009
From: tonyc at boldfish.co.uk (Tony Crockford)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 17:58:24 +0100
Subject: [thelist] Data capture in Drupal...
In-Reply-To: <177c0a10909100556necc23aal58b88d4da6d76e79@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8b20a7490909100211k55e6b486t2dd3dabaa1e815a5@mail.gmail.com>
	<1252580062.7759.3.camel@dell>
	<177c0a10909100556necc23aal58b88d4da6d76e79@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <89D25D04-2801-45C3-9173-BF1A67566BEF@boldfish.co.uk>


On 10 Sep 2009, at 13:56, Fred Jones wrote:

>>> I need to create a data capture table.
>>> Theuser goes to a form, enters data in fields 1, 2 and 3 etc...
>>> I then store that in my DB in a drupal, or custom table..
>>>
>>> I'm hugely confused how to do that...
>>> Anyone know if a module or a how to to point me in teh right  
>>> direction?
>
>> If it is just capturing data, you may want to use 'WebForm'
>> http://drupal.org/project/webform
>
> Not "may" want to use. You ABSOLUTELY want to use this and not CCK.
> Unless you have bizarre requirements, then webform was made for
> precisely what you describe.

I didn't get that the OP wanted to email data from a form or save it  
to a CSV file - WebForm would need an extra processing script to save  
the data to a database?

but it's clearly suitable for data capture if emailing the results are  
required - e.g. feedback, or contact details, or to be handled by a  
form processor script already written.

apologies if I've made the issue more complex.

;)


From sarahwbs at gmail.com  Thu Sep 10 12:05:44 2009
From: sarahwbs at gmail.com (Sarah Adams)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 14:05:44 -0300
Subject: [thelist] Data capture in Drupal...
In-Reply-To: <89D25D04-2801-45C3-9173-BF1A67566BEF@boldfish.co.uk>
References: <8b20a7490909100211k55e6b486t2dd3dabaa1e815a5@mail.gmail.com>	<1252580062.7759.3.camel@dell>	<177c0a10909100556necc23aal58b88d4da6d76e79@mail.gmail.com>
	<89D25D04-2801-45C3-9173-BF1A67566BEF@boldfish.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4AA931E8.9030909@gmail.com>

Tony Crockford wrote:
> I didn't get that the OP wanted to email data from a form or save it  
> to a CSV file - WebForm would need an extra processing script to save  
> the data to a database?

>From the Webform page: "Submissions from a webform are saved in a
database table and can optionally be mailed to a nominated e-mail
address upon submission. Past submissions are viewable for users with
the correct permissions."

-- 
sarah adams
web developer & programmer
http://sarah.designshift.com

From tonyc at boldfish.co.uk  Thu Sep 10 12:37:57 2009
From: tonyc at boldfish.co.uk (Tony Crockford)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 18:37:57 +0100
Subject: [thelist] Data capture in Drupal...
In-Reply-To: <4AA931E8.9030909@gmail.com>
References: <8b20a7490909100211k55e6b486t2dd3dabaa1e815a5@mail.gmail.com>	<1252580062.7759.3.camel@dell>	<177c0a10909100556necc23aal58b88d4da6d76e79@mail.gmail.com>
	<89D25D04-2801-45C3-9173-BF1A67566BEF@boldfish.co.uk>
	<4AA931E8.9030909@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <17534870-D2DD-4999-B07D-FA8D286C6AC0@boldfish.co.uk>


On 10 Sep 2009, at 18:05, Sarah Adams wrote:

> Tony Crockford wrote:
>> I didn't get that the OP wanted to email data from a form or save it
>> to a CSV file - WebForm would need an extra processing script to save
>> the data to a database?
>
>> From the Webform page: "Submissions from a webform are saved in a
> database table and can optionally be mailed to a nominated e-mail
> address upon submission. Past submissions are viewable for users with
> the correct permissions."

Gulp?

I missed that.
sorry.


(time to crawl back under the desk?.)


From Susan.Payne at cpa.state.tx.us  Thu Sep 10 12:39:53 2009
From: Susan.Payne at cpa.state.tx.us (Susan Payne)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 12:39:53 -0500
Subject: [thelist] .htaccess redirect
Message-ID: <DE9192CCD69F764F95A7A7BB30224020062BFC96@cpaexg5.core.cpa.state.tx.us>

Thanks for the replies.

 

I want apply this redirect to one directory only.  Users are sent a
weekly e-mail newsletter which also gives a link to web-version if they
can't view the email. We need to keep a month's worth of the web
versions. But if someone goes back in her inbox to one of the
newsletters sent a couple of months ago, I don't want them accessing an
expired newsletter or an error page, even a custom one. I want them to
go to the directory index.

 

I tried putting the override in this directory's .htaccess but it didn't
work. When I put it in the root directory it overrode the error pages
for the entire site.

 

Susan Payne

 

 

 

 

 


From rjmolesa at consoltec.net  Thu Sep 10 13:22:35 2009
From: rjmolesa at consoltec.net (Jon Molesa)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 14:22:35 -0400
Subject: [thelist] How to check if a domain has hosting
In-Reply-To: <e158c8670909100929l70504133yc5d2f19d04a15a44@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e158c8670909100929l70504133yc5d2f19d04a15a44@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090910182235.GE1789@jenna.rjmolesa.homelinux.net>

*On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 05:29:12PM +0100 Krystian - Sunlust <sunlust at gmail.com> wrote:

> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 17:29:12 +0100
> From: Krystian - Sunlust <sunlust at gmail.com>
> Subject: [thelist] How to check if a domain has hosting
> To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
> 
> Hi,
> 
> We have a bit of a problem with one of the clients, he has over 20
> different domains and due to problems with forwarding and the settings
> he is loosing out on SEO I provide.
> 
> His hosting company claims that there is no hosting on a number of
> domains, just redirect, but I can see that on some of those domains
> there is PR (Google bar shows it), while on others there isn't.
> 
> Google is totally confused ranking few of the domains, while it
> shouldn't if they're forwarded.
> I was thinking it might be framed forwarding, but if I hover some of
> the links on the website they go to www.xxx.com while others go to
> www.yyy.com (xxx.com being the domain, www.yyy.com being the domain it
> should be forwarded to)
> 
> I tried to type www.xxx.com/cpanel and it comes up with a dialog box,
> now, if it's frame forwarding, is it possible that it's taking that
> Cpanel login from the domain it should be forwarding to?
> 
> Anyway, sorry for going deep into details, I can't provide the URL or
> the code due to the privacy of the client, but in theory, is there any
> way to check if a domain has hosting on it?
> 
> Best regards,
Are you sure they're redirecting instead of setting up a DNS record
which the webserver treats separately?

> 
> -- 
> Krystian Szastok
> Affordable, Freelance Web Designer in Eastbourne, East Sussex:
> http://eastbournewebdesign.net
> Mobile UK (Orange): 07528 036 337
> Call for more information or email me.
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if you're bored or curious
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From sunlust at gmail.com  Thu Sep 10 13:43:03 2009
From: sunlust at gmail.com (Krystian - Sunlust)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 19:43:03 +0100
Subject: [thelist] How to check if a domain has hosting
In-Reply-To: <20090910182235.GE1789@jenna.rjmolesa.homelinux.net>
References: <e158c8670909100929l70504133yc5d2f19d04a15a44@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090910182235.GE1789@jenna.rjmolesa.homelinux.net>
Message-ID: <e158c8670909101143l5758a0d2ibeb92aa1711ab9b4@mail.gmail.com>

Theyre saying that there's no hosting account associated to that domain.
DNS record would change the address in the address bar (I think).

Usually I'd say "okay, there's not".

But if I'm on that website and I hover the links, some of them point
to the domain yyy.com (the one the domain should be pointing to as
redirected) and some of them point to xxx.com (the domain that shows
in the address bar as current).

When I click google toolbar's Show cached version it shows the yyy.com.

But when I type the yyy.com domain all the link on the page point to it.

Regards,



-- 
Krystian Szastok
Affordable, Freelance Web Designer in Eastbourne, East Sussex:
http://eastbournewebdesign.net
Mobile UK (Orange): 07528 036 337
Call for more information or email me.

From roberto at asenseofdesign.com  Thu Sep 10 12:14:18 2009
From: roberto at asenseofdesign.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Roberto_Gorj=E3o?=)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:14:18 -0700
Subject: [thelist] what's the hole in my contact form anti-spam?
In-Reply-To: <0725A9AACAA6412EB69768295E424411@nancyb0bda4ba6>
References: <ca1b22cc0909100231h32b39c48od3e80e9d43713cf0@mail.gmail.com>
	<0725A9AACAA6412EB69768295E424411@nancyb0bda4ba6>
Message-ID: <4AA933EA.7090500@asenseofdesign.com>

Well, you're not having spam, but you're also forbidding your visitors 
to send any links to your client... what might be OK in his case but is 
not a solution that does "not give visitors more hoops to jump through", 
to use Joel's own words, specially if your script doesn't return an 
explanation to the user about why her message was not accepted.

Anyway, Joel, what is decidedly strange in your logic is to have a 
"prove that you're human" field and not to test it. If you don't try it, 
why use it? You'll be even more successful if you make your "prove that 
you're human" question random, and test it accordingly, as Tony suggested.

Good luck!

Roberto
-----------------------
Nan Harbison wrote:
> My client did NOT want a captcha under any circumstances, so in desperation,
> after watching how the fields were filled out by bots for a few weeks, I
> created this code:
>
>
> 	 $findspam1 = strpos($_POST['message'], "[");
> 	 $findspam2 = strpos($_POST['message'], "]");
> 	 $findspam3 = strpos($_POST['message'], "url");
> 	 $findspam4 = strpos($_POST['message'], "http://");
> 	 $findspam5 = strpos($_POST['message'], "link=");
> 	 if ($findspam1==false && $findspam2==false && $findspam3==false &&
> $findspam4==false && $findspam5==false)
> 	 {
> 	  if ---the code you already have here----
> 		{
> 			to do whatever
> 		}
> 	 }
>
> And I haven't had any spam since then, and now, having said that, I bet I am
> going to have to eat those words!!!
>
> Nan
>
>
>   

From roberto at asenseofdesign.com  Thu Sep 10 12:15:31 2009
From: roberto at asenseofdesign.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Roberto_Gorj=E3o?=)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:15:31 -0700
Subject: [thelist] what's the hole in my contact form anti-spam?
In-Reply-To: <4AA875CA.1050906@dottedi.biz>
References: <619d00930909091822i24358cd3r7207de53e11e014b@mail.gmail.com>	<4AA8625B.6020801@asenseofdesign.com>
	<4AA875CA.1050906@dottedi.biz>
Message-ID: <4AA93433.7000405@asenseofdesign.com>

Yes, of course, sorry about that.

Thanks,

Roberto

--------------------
Bob Meetin wrote:
>>     
> I think double equals (==) for tests.
>
>   

From roberto at asenseofdesign.com  Thu Sep 10 12:38:23 2009
From: roberto at asenseofdesign.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Roberto_Gorj=E3o?=)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:38:23 -0700
Subject: [thelist] How to check if a domain has hosting
In-Reply-To: <e158c8670909100929l70504133yc5d2f19d04a15a44@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e158c8670909100929l70504133yc5d2f19d04a15a44@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AA9398F.1030506@asenseofdesign.com>

Hi Krystian,

You might want to try http://www.checkdns.net

Look for forwarding/redirectioning reports... If it doesn't have it, it 
is probably not forwarded.

I have two domains -- asenseofart.com and asenseofdesign.com -- pointing 
to another -- asenseof.net -- so you might use them for comparison purposes.

Hope that helps.

Roberto

----------------------------
Krystian - Sunlust wrote:
> Hi,
>
> We have a bit of a problem with one of the clients, he has over 20
> different domains and due to problems with forwarding and the settings
> he is loosing out on SEO I provide.
>
> His hosting company claims that there is no hosting on a number of
> domains, just redirect, but I can see that on some of those domains
> there is PR (Google bar shows it), while on others there isn't.
>
> Google is totally confused ranking few of the domains, while it
> shouldn't if they're forwarded.
> I was thinking it might be framed forwarding, but if I hover some of
> the links on the website they go to www.xxx.com while others go to
> www.yyy.com (xxx.com being the domain, www.yyy.com being the domain it
> should be forwarded to)
>
> I tried to type www.xxx.com/cpanel and it comes up with a dialog box,
> now, if it's frame forwarding, is it possible that it's taking that
> Cpanel login from the domain it should be forwarding to?
>
> Anyway, sorry for going deep into details, I can't provide the URL or
> the code due to the privacy of the client, but in theory, is there any
> way to check if a domain has hosting on it?
>
> Best regards,
>
>   

From sunlust at gmail.com  Thu Sep 10 14:09:02 2009
From: sunlust at gmail.com (Krystian - Sunlust)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 20:09:02 +0100
Subject: [thelist] How to check if a domain has hosting
In-Reply-To: <4AA9398F.1030506@asenseofdesign.com>
References: <e158c8670909100929l70504133yc5d2f19d04a15a44@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AA9398F.1030506@asenseofdesign.com>
Message-ID: <e158c8670909101209x368e34c9x92db32746b250763@mail.gmail.com>

Hi mate,

Thank you so much for your time.
Thanks a lot for help, I checked with checkdns.

Here's what I've got:

heckDNS.NET verifies www servers
 Checking HTTP server www.yyy
 HTTP server www.yyy answers on port 80
 Received: HTTP/1.1 200 OK (Server: Apache/1.3.37 (Unix)
mod_auth_passthrough/1.8 mod_log_bytes/1.2 mod_bwlimited/1.4
FrontPage/5.0.2.2635.SR1.2 mod_ssl/2.8.28 OpenSSL/0.9.7a PHP-CGI/0.1b)
53e .Casino Hire | Roulette Table Hire. .2e4 .d59 .Search:. HOME. | .
NEWS. | . HOW IT WORKS. | . JOBS. | . BOOKING. | . CONTACT US. PRICES
Tables. |. PRICES Themes. |. PRICE

DNS server ns0.visn.co.uk[yyyy] is alive and authoritative for domain yyyy
 DNS server ns1.visn.co.uk[yyyy] is alive and authoritative for domain yyyy

Nothing about redirect/forwarding, but I need to be 100% sure, as the
client was with the hosting for some time and with us (doing SEO) only
for a while.

Do you think this is a 100% proof?

Best regards,


-- 
Krystian Szastok
Affordable, Freelance Web Designer in Eastbourne, East Sussex:
http://eastbournewebdesign.net
Mobile UK (Orange): 07528 036 337
Call for more information or email me.

From jcorry.lists at gmail.com  Thu Sep 10 15:31:37 2009
From: jcorry.lists at gmail.com (John Corry)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 16:31:37 -0400
Subject: [thelist] jquery content slider widget
Message-ID: <92de8b7b0909101331y321d0a74tf55df6b3f86b509d@mail.gmail.com>

http://bwcfla.com/partners.php#
We have this little jquery slider widget displayed on some tabs on this
site.

The 'partners' slider works perfect. One of the HTML/designer staff tried
extending it to a third tab for 'testimonials'. She duplicated the HTML
structure from the 2nd tab (looks right to me) but then didn't know what to
do with the javascript.

I looked at it and figured it would be as easy as adding the div that
contains the slider list to my jQuery selector.

But, that didn't work...

How come?

Anyone care to take a look in Firebug and help me figure out why they aren't
working on the testimonials tab?

-- 
John Corry
PHP developer - 3by400, Inc
http://www.3by400.com

From rob at rob-n-steph.net  Thu Sep 10 15:47:19 2009
From: rob at rob-n-steph.net (Robert Lee)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 16:47:19 -0400
Subject: [thelist] How to check if a domain has hosting
In-Reply-To: <e158c8670909101209x368e34c9x92db32746b250763@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e158c8670909100929l70504133yc5d2f19d04a15a44@mail.gmail.com>	<4AA9398F.1030506@asenseofdesign.com>
	<e158c8670909101209x368e34c9x92db32746b250763@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <007701ca3257$e52c4df0$af84e9d0$@net>

I have two domains, one is served(.com) and the other is redirected (.net).
On the served domain I get a similar readout to what you get (Apache output,
basic page list, etc), on the redirected domain I get a redirect notice and
no output from Apache. I would guess that if you are getting a 200 ok, then
a server is actually hosting that page. If redirection is set up correctly
you should never get to the yyy.com page, you should get redirected to the
xxx.com page. 

You could also check the redirection from here:

http://www.webconfs.com/redirect-check.php

On my served pages is shows that they are not redirected, and it properly
picks up the redirected ones.

HTH,
Rob


-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Krystian - Sunlust
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 3:09 PM
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: Re: [thelist] How to check if a domain has hosting

Hi mate,

Thank you so much for your time.
Thanks a lot for help, I checked with checkdns.

Here's what I've got:

heckDNS.NET verifies www servers
 Checking HTTP server www.yyy
 HTTP server www.yyy answers on port 80
 Received: HTTP/1.1 200 OK (Server: Apache/1.3.37 (Unix)
mod_auth_passthrough/1.8 mod_log_bytes/1.2 mod_bwlimited/1.4
FrontPage/5.0.2.2635.SR1.2 mod_ssl/2.8.28 OpenSSL/0.9.7a PHP-CGI/0.1b)
53e .Casino Hire | Roulette Table Hire. .2e4 .d59 .Search:. HOME. | .
NEWS. | . HOW IT WORKS. | . JOBS. | . BOOKING. | . CONTACT US. PRICES
Tables. |. PRICES Themes. |. PRICE



From sunlust at gmail.com  Thu Sep 10 15:55:26 2009
From: sunlust at gmail.com (Krystian - Sunlust)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 21:55:26 +0100
Subject: [thelist] How to check if a domain has hosting
In-Reply-To: <007701ca3257$e52c4df0$af84e9d0$@net>
References: <e158c8670909100929l70504133yc5d2f19d04a15a44@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AA9398F.1030506@asenseofdesign.com>
	<e158c8670909101209x368e34c9x92db32746b250763@mail.gmail.com>
	<007701ca3257$e52c4df0$af84e9d0$@net>
Message-ID: <e158c8670909101355u6636a8f8yc7a37c26e15329db@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the website mate, that really helps.



-- 
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Affordable, Freelance Web Designer in Eastbourne, East Sussex:
http://eastbournewebdesign.net
Mobile UK (Orange): 07528 036 337
Call for more information or email me.

From jimmyropes at gmail.com  Thu Sep 10 17:31:45 2009
From: jimmyropes at gmail.com (James O'Donnell)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 18:31:45 -0400
Subject: [thelist] .htaccess redirect
In-Reply-To: <DE9192CCD69F764F95A7A7BB30224020062BFC96@cpaexg5.core.cpa.state.tx.us>
References: <DE9192CCD69F764F95A7A7BB30224020062BFC96@cpaexg5.core.cpa.state.tx.us>
Message-ID: <00ff01ca3266$7bba4b60$732ee220$@com>

If something like this doesn't work post your code in a reply and I will
look at it.

Options +FollowSymLinks 
RewriteEngine on 
RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} ^yoursite.com [NC] 
RewriteRule ^(.*)$ http://www.redirect_location.com/

You will have to modify this to make it work on your website.

-----Original Message-----
From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Susan Payne
Sent: Thursday, 10 September, 2009 13:40
To: thelist at lists.evolt.org
Subject: [thelist] .htaccess redirect

Thanks for the replies.

 

I want apply this redirect to one directory only.  Users are sent a
weekly e-mail newsletter which also gives a link to web-version if they
can't view the email. We need to keep a month's worth of the web
versions. But if someone goes back in her inbox to one of the
newsletters sent a couple of months ago, I don't want them accessing an
expired newsletter or an error page, even a custom one. I want them to
go to the directory index.

 

I tried putting the override in this directory's .htaccess but it didn't
work. When I put it in the root directory it overrode the error pages
for the entire site.

 

Susan Payne

 

 

 

 

 

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From roberto at asenseofdesign.com  Thu Sep 10 19:32:25 2009
From: roberto at asenseofdesign.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Roberto_Gorj=E3o?=)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 17:32:25 -0700
Subject: [thelist] How to check if a domain has hosting
In-Reply-To: <007701ca3257$e52c4df0$af84e9d0$@net>
References: <e158c8670909100929l70504133yc5d2f19d04a15a44@mail.gmail.com>	<4AA9398F.1030506@asenseofdesign.com>	<e158c8670909101209x368e34c9x92db32746b250763@mail.gmail.com>
	<007701ca3257$e52c4df0$af84e9d0$@net>
Message-ID: <4AA99A99.8080909@asenseofdesign.com>

Hi again,

Actually, the redirect-check will only pick up redirected domains, not 
framed or cloaked ones. In those cases it will say something like:

"Either example.com is NOT REDIRECTING to any URL or the redirect is NOT 
SEARCH ENGINE FRIENDLY"

If you use checkdns.net (please make sure you have "maximum detail" 
option selected), you'll get this reading under "CheckDNS.NET verifies 
www servers":

"Received: HTTP/1.1 200 OK (Server: Microsoft-IIS/6.0) 1fb .Your browser 
does not support frames. We recommend upgrading your browser.. Click . 
here. to enter the site.."

If the domain is simply redirected you'll get this reading:

"Received: HTTP/1.1 301 Moved Permanently (Server: Apache) Location: 
http://www.asenseof.net/"
Your main page redirects to another location. Several search engines 
will be unable to index your site."

Hope that helps!

Roberto

--------------------
Robert Lee wrote:
>
> You could also check the redirection from here:
>
> http://www.webconfs.com/redirect-check.php
>
> On my served pages is shows that they are not redirected, and it properly
> picks up the redirected ones.
>
> HTH,
> Rob
>
>
>
>   

From marun2 at gmail.com  Fri Sep 11 06:55:53 2009
From: marun2 at gmail.com (Mohan Arun L)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 17:25:53 +0530
Subject: [thelist] How to check if a domain has hosting
Message-ID: <ca1b22cc0909110455l639141eblc034dacd3b4f6bc2@mail.gmail.com>

>>but in theory, is there any
way to check if a domain has hosting on it?

Check with
domaintools.com
whoishostingthis.com

To go deeper, you can query the dns records of the suspect domain
using online dns tools to see if it matches with the dns records of
the domains that do have hosting.

http://network-tools.com/nslook/Default.asp
dnsdoctor.org
http://www.squish.net/dnscheck/

I think you need to check the similarity of A, SOA and CNAME records.

>>I tried to type www.xxx.com/cpanel and it comes up with a dialog box, now, if it's frame forwarding, is it possible that it's taking that Cpanel login from the domain it should be forwarding to?

No, I guess this would mean xxx.com is hosted. Not a domain redirect.
Anyway, confirm with DNS queries (above)

* * * * * * * * *
www.mohanarun.com

From sunlust at gmail.com  Fri Sep 11 07:07:29 2009
From: sunlust at gmail.com (Krystian - Sunlust)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 13:07:29 +0100
Subject: [thelist] How to check if a domain has hosting
In-Reply-To: <ca1b22cc0909110455l639141eblc034dacd3b4f6bc2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ca1b22cc0909110455l639141eblc034dacd3b4f6bc2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e158c8670909110507y6101e79cy6682ea0398d87892@mail.gmail.com>

Hi mate,

On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Mohan Arun L <marun2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>but in theory, is there any
> way to check if a domain has hosting on it?
>
> Check with
> domaintools.com
> whoishostingthis.com
>
> To go deeper, you can query the dns records of the suspect domain
> using online dns tools to see if it matches with the dns records of
> the domains that do have hosting.
>
> http://network-tools.com/nslook/Default.asp
> dnsdoctor.org
> http://www.squish.net/dnscheck/
>
> I think you need to check the similarity of A, SOA and CNAME records.
>
>>>I tried to type www.xxx.com/cpanel and it comes up with a dialog box, now, if it's frame forwarding, is it possible that it's taking that Cpanel login from the domain it should be forwarding to?
>
> No, I guess this would mean xxx.com is hosted. Not a domain redirect.
> Anyway, confirm with DNS queries (above)
>
> * * * * * * * * *
> www.mohanarun.com


Thanks a lot for the post mate, but those DNS tools are way too
complicated for me and the client isn't spending enough for me to go
into such detail and spend the time.

My suspect is that the domain is using framed forwarding, any way to
check this quickly?

Best regards,

-- 
Krystian Szastok
Affordable, Freelance Web Designer in Eastbourne, East Sussex:
http://eastbournewebdesign.net
Mobile UK (Orange): 07528 036 337
Call for more information or email me.

From rjmolesa at consoltec.net  Fri Sep 11 08:44:24 2009
From: rjmolesa at consoltec.net (Jon Molesa)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 09:44:24 -0400
Subject: [thelist] How to check if a domain has hosting
In-Reply-To: <e158c8670909110507y6101e79cy6682ea0398d87892@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ca1b22cc0909110455l639141eblc034dacd3b4f6bc2@mail.gmail.com>
	<e158c8670909110507y6101e79cy6682ea0398d87892@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090911134424.GF1789@jenna.rjmolesa.homelinux.net>

*On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 01:07:29PM +0100 Krystian - Sunlust <sunlust at gmail.com> wrote:
> My suspect is that the domain is using framed forwarding, any way to
> check this quickly?
View the source of the page.

-- 
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rjmolesa at consoltec.net
if you're bored or curious
http://rjmolesa.com

From rjmolesa at consoltec.net  Fri Sep 11 11:45:36 2009
From: rjmolesa at consoltec.net (Jon Molesa)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 12:45:36 -0400
Subject: [thelist] what's the hole in my contact form anti-spam?
In-Reply-To: <619d00930909091822i24358cd3r7207de53e11e014b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <619d00930909091822i24358cd3r7207de53e11e014b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090911164535.GG1789@jenna.rjmolesa.homelinux.net>

*On Wed, Sep 09, 2009 at 06:22:13PM -0700 Joel Canfield <joel at bizba6.com> wrote:

Are you doing any spam filtering or trapping on the mail server?  How
about in the mail client?

-- 
Jon Molesa
rjmolesa at consoltec.net
if you're bored or curious
http://rjmolesa.com

From joel at bizba6.com  Fri Sep 11 11:49:53 2009
From: joel at bizba6.com (Joel Canfield)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 09:49:53 -0700
Subject: [thelist] what's the hole in my contact form anti-spam?
In-Reply-To: <20090911164535.GG1789@jenna.rjmolesa.homelinux.net>
References: <619d00930909091822i24358cd3r7207de53e11e014b@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090911164535.GG1789@jenna.rjmolesa.homelinux.net>
Message-ID: <619d00930909110949p2844c760x2b2b56a777fc4cc2@mail.gmail.com>

>
> Are you doing any spam filtering or trapping on the mail server?  How
> about in the mail client?
>
> This isn't my contact form, it's a client's, and I don't know what they've
got set up.

For myself, I use GMail under my domain for all my email. Cut my spam from
nearly 10,000 per DAY to about one a week. Also, friends and clients have
stopped complaining that they sent me something; why didn't I respond?

joel

From nadeem at multigraphics.biz  Fri Sep 11 13:22:11 2009
From: nadeem at multigraphics.biz (Nadeem Hosenbokus)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 22:22:11 +0400
Subject: [thelist] what's the hole in my contact form anti-spam?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1252688407.14597.thelist@lists.evolt.org>
References: <mailman.3.1252688407.14597.thelist@lists.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <2554D81991C343F09D825534919DAEA3@exocetlaptop>

Hi,

I might be missing something here, but wouldn't

	$findspam3 = strpos($_POST['message'], "url");

return true for any string that has 'url' in it? So if I use words like
'curl', 'burly', 'unfurl', etc - would my message be treated as spam? 

Wouldn't

	$findspam3 = strpos($_POST['message'], " url");

or

	$findspam3 = strpos($_POST['message'], "url=");

be better?


Also, if you're looking for several indications of what is spam, what I like
to do is use a counter like this:

$c=0;
if(strpos($_POST['message'], "["))$c++;
if(strpos($_POST['message'], "]"))$c++;
if(strpos($_POST['message'], "url"))$c++;
if(strpos($_POST['message'], "http://"))$c++;
if(strpos($_POST['message'], "link="))$c++;

then I store messages in a database with the number of spam indicators and
then use that information to begin defining levels of spam that are allowed,
maybe allowed, definitely not allowed, etc.

You could then expand that further so that different indications increment
the counter more:

if(strpos($_POST['message'], "http://")){ $c++;$c++;$c++;}

Just a thought.

Nadeem Hosenbokus
Exocet Studios - a brand of Multigraphics Ltd
Office:  (+230) 212 6390 / 208 6499
Mobile: (+230) 254 8221
Fax:     (+230) 212 6789
24 St. Georges Street, Port Louis


-----Original Message-----


Nan Harbison wrote:
> My client did NOT want a captcha under any circumstances, so in
desperation,
> after watching how the fields were filled out by bots for a few weeks, I
> created this code:
>
>
> 	 $findspam1 = strpos($_POST['message'], "[");
> 	 $findspam2 = strpos($_POST['message'], "]");
> 	 $findspam3 = strpos($_POST['message'], "url");
> 	 $findspam4 = strpos($_POST['message'], "http://");
> 	 $findspam5 = strpos($_POST['message'], "link=");
> 	 if ($findspam1==false && $findspam2==false && $findspam3==false &&
> $findspam4==false && $findspam5==false)
> 	 {
> 	  if ---the code you already have here----
> 		{
> 			to do whatever
> 		}
> 	 }
>
> And I haven't had any spam since then, and now, having said that, I bet I
am
> going to have to eat those words!!!
>
> Nan
>
>
>   

From marun2 at gmail.com  Fri Sep 11 23:56:07 2009
From: marun2 at gmail.com (Mohan Arun L)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 10:26:07 +0530
Subject: [thelist] How to check if a domain has hosting
Message-ID: <ca1b22cc0909112156m5eb8df35g7a0329782063c8d3@mail.gmail.com>

>>My suspect is that the domain is using framed forwarding, any way to check this quickly?

The only way to check this would be using view source. Look for
frameset definitions in the html.




* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
www.mohanarun.com

From marun2 at gmail.com  Sat Sep 12 00:04:19 2009
From: marun2 at gmail.com (Mohan Arun L)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 10:34:19 +0530
Subject: [thelist] .htaccess redirect
Message-ID: <ca1b22cc0909112204r2c1038a8q14ee15b0b8d5f039@mail.gmail.com>

>>I tried putting the override in this directory's .htaccess but it didn't
work. When I put it in the root directory it overrode the error pages
for the entire site.

This is more clear before explaining the context of how you want it to work.

You would use
ErrorDocument 404 index.php

in that particular directory's htaccess. The newsletter would be
always named newsletter.php or something like that, so if someone
clicks on newsletter.php link they will always end up at the most
recent newsletter page. You would have to update the page you call the
'directory index' (index.php) to say something like if you reached
here then it is an error, this is the way to subscribe to our
newsletter.
ErrorDocument paths are relative to document root, so if it doesnt
work this way, then check your DocumentRoot definition.
http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/core.html#errordocument

"Directory Index" is different - it is the page that gets returned
when client requests for a directory - that is with a trailing slash.
It is different from 404.
http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/mod_dir.html#directoryindex



* * * * * * * * * *
www.mohanarun.com
Twitter: @marun2

From marun2 at gmail.com  Sat Sep 12 00:13:49 2009
From: marun2 at gmail.com (Mohan Arun L)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 10:43:49 +0530
Subject: [thelist] what's the hole in my contact form anti-spam?
Message-ID: <ca1b22cc0909112213l79b9421ar2e038f8ea0a1c1f0@mail.gmail.com>

>>Anyway, Joel, what is decidedly strange in your logic is to have a "prove that you're human" field and not to test it. If you don't try it, why use it? You'll be even more successful if you make your "prove that you're human" question random, and test it accordingly, as Tony suggested.

This is a sample contact form that uses simple captcha question:
http://www.retaggr.com/Contact
You could change the message "what is 4 plus 2" with something like
'type the word RED here" every once in a while as soon as you start
receiving spam using this method.


* * * * * * * * * *
www.mohanarun.com
Twitter: @marun2
* * * * * * * * * *

From marun2 at gmail.com  Sat Sep 12 00:23:41 2009
From: marun2 at gmail.com (Mohan Arun L)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 10:53:41 +0530
Subject: [thelist] jquery content slider widget
Message-ID: <ca1b22cc0909112223q2ae20ca2hca5201ad37f69c39@mail.gmail.com>

Not only is it not working for me when using Firefox 3.5.2, when I
click on the right or left green arrow keys the page scrolls to the
top again. I tried using IE8 and I could see some javascript error in
the status bar - window.console() is null or not an object.

I am not sure what is exactly wrong with the code, except that it
seems to be missing <span> tags within <li> (which the Partners tab
definition has and the testimonials tab doesnt)
but you may want to try another jquery slider widget that doesnt
scrolll/skip the page to the top when clicked.

http://jqueryfordesigners.com/slider-gallery/


* * * * * * * * *
www.mohanarun.com
Twitter: @marun2

From sunlust at gmail.com  Sat Sep 12 03:13:33 2009
From: sunlust at gmail.com (Krystian - Sunlust)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 09:13:33 +0100
Subject: [thelist] How to check if a domain has hosting
In-Reply-To: <ca1b22cc0909112156m5eb8df35g7a0329782063c8d3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ca1b22cc0909112156m5eb8df35g7a0329782063c8d3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e158c8670909120113h2d98811cma47c38bfb4cc54b0@mail.gmail.com>

Nope, no frameset definitions.

Yesterday I finally had access to the ftp for the main domain and
changing code on the website is changing code on all of them that
should be pointing.
So they're not pointing or redirecting, how is it possible that the
URL stays in the address bar, even after going into content pages,  is
it framed forwarding??

Regards,


-- 
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Affordable, Freelance Web Designer in Eastbourne, East Sussex:
http://eastbournewebdesign.net
Mobile UK (Orange): 07528 036 337
Call for more information or email me.

From jcorry.lists at gmail.com  Sat Sep 12 08:00:53 2009
From: jcorry.lists at gmail.com (John Corry)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 09:00:53 -0400
Subject: [thelist] jquery content slider widget
In-Reply-To: <ca1b22cc0909112223q2ae20ca2hca5201ad37f69c39@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ca1b22cc0909112223q2ae20ca2hca5201ad37f69c39@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <92de8b7b0909120600p4955c319w374d55118c5e1404@mail.gmail.com>

The scrolling is due to window.console.log() some debugging output.
I guess I assumed anyone here looking at it would do so in Firefox/Firebug.


On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 1:23 AM, Mohan Arun L <marun2 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Not only is it not working for me when using Firefox 3.5.2, when I
> click on the right or left green arrow keys the page scrolls to the
> top again. I tried using IE8 and I could see some javascript error in
> the status bar - window.console() is null or not an object.
>
>
The <span> tags are superfluous, I removed them from either div with no ill
effect.



> I am not sure what is exactly wrong with the code, except that it
> seems to be missing <span> tags within <li> (which the Partners tab
> definition has and the testimonials tab doesnt)

From pturmel-webdev at turmel.org  Sat Sep 12 08:26:08 2009
From: pturmel-webdev at turmel.org (Phil Turmel)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 09:26:08 -0400
Subject: [thelist] How to check if a domain has hosting
In-Reply-To: <e158c8670909101143l5758a0d2ibeb92aa1711ab9b4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e158c8670909100929l70504133yc5d2f19d04a15a44@mail.gmail.com>	<20090910182235.GE1789@jenna.rjmolesa.homelinux.net>
	<e158c8670909101143l5758a0d2ibeb92aa1711ab9b4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AABA170.1060506@turmel.org>

Krystian - Sunlust wrote:
> Theyre saying that there's no hosting account associated to that domain.
> DNS record would change the address in the address bar (I think).
> 
> Usually I'd say "okay, there's not".
> 
> But if I'm on that website and I hover the links, some of them point
> to the domain yyy.com (the one the domain should be pointing to as
> redirected) and some of them point to xxx.com (the domain that shows
> in the address bar as current).
> 
> When I click google toolbar's Show cached version it shows the yyy.com.
> 
> But when I type the yyy.com domain all the link on the page point to it.
> 
> Regards,

Hi Krystian,

Based on all the comments so far, I suspect Jon is right:  xxx.com
simply has an IP address in your DNS provider that points to the same
server as yyy.com.  If the yyy.com webserver is not set up w/ name-based
virtual hosting, any name that points at that IP address will see the
same content.

As for the link display when hovering:  those pages probably have a mix
of absolute and relative URLs.  The absolute URLs will always show
yyy.com.  The relative URLs are computed on the fly by your browser to
show the effective URL when you hover.  "View source" will show you the
real URLs in the page.

I suggest you look up the DNS entries for both xxx.com and yyy.com
(nslookup in a shell, perhaps).  I'd bet (a little) that both domains
point at the same IP address.

HTH,

Phil



From bobm at dottedi.biz  Sat Sep 12 08:54:26 2009
From: bobm at dottedi.biz (Bob Meetin)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 07:54:26 -0600
Subject: [thelist] custom order / credit card processing / downloadable
In-Reply-To: <fde304e80909030938we56cafblf4b4f8cc5d65143c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A9FE125.4000006@dottedi.biz>
	<fde304e80909030938we56cafblf4b4f8cc5d65143c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AABA812.7060800@dottedi.biz>

Mike,

These were good thoughts which I added to the requirements - We'll place 
something in the spreadsheet even if not an image..

After a week's worth of tinkering and a bit of Vulcan Mind Merge 
yesterday I was able to both create the dynamic product using user input 
(in Joomla/Virtuemart), run a fake customer through the shopping cart to 
completion, and deliver to the pseudo customer by email the downloadable 
.csv file which resides out of webroot.

One nice benefit of the CMS is that it has a debugging toggle which if 
enabled outputs the queries to the screen.  To prep a downloadable 
product in Virtuemart for the shop five or six tables are referenced.  
Without the debugging enabled (or without a map of all the tables) you 
could spend days 'wondering' what else.

Virtuemart's process of both adding a downloadable file and ensuring 
that it is downloadable is horribly awkward.  Figuring this out truly 
required reading the manual.

-Bob

, Mike Maughan wrote:
> A couple of thoughts in respect of securing said product; if you are 
> generating document output (such as pdf or ebook format) how about 
> embedding the buyer's details in the output (perhaps as a footer line) 
> saying "this item bought by xxxxxx; please do not copy".  You could 
> also generate and embed a simple transparent pixel map or maybe 
> background-colour text encoding a serial number which you hold against 
> the purchase, so if you find copies "in the wild" you can trackback.
>
> Regards, Mike
>
>
> 2009/9/3 Bob Meetin <bobm at dottedi.biz <mailto:bobm at dottedi.biz>>
>
>     Just a wee bit of brainstorming here with a new project.
>
>     * The product is information and will change dynamically for
>     each/every
>     customer and instance.
>     * The customer will choose from an a-la-carte list then an algorithm
>     will be applied to calculate the charge.
>     * He/she go through the checkout and pays.
>     * Customer will get access to the downloadable output.
>
>     Payment options - the client would prefer using a true payment gateway
>     and offer regular choices as opposed to forcing the customer to
>     register
>     with a use PayPal.  Perhaps authorize.net <http://authorize.net>
>     or www.cdgcommerce.com <http://www.cdgcommerce.com>?
>
>     I will use Joomla CMS for the website which gives access to Virtuemart
>     eCommerce. Regardless whether it is VM or PayPal, I'm sure that I can
>     dynamically (on the fly) create a product as soon as the customer
>     agrees
>     to make the purchase then take that makeshift product through the cart
>     process and eventually to the payment Gateway.
>
>     Although a product/SKU is created I can probably keep it hidden from
>     public view by not providing access via a search, product list,
>     category
>     tree, etc.
>
>     Does this sound like a reasonable route with a product that
>     dynamically
>     changes?  Any comments or ideas?
>
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From roberto at asenseofdesign.com  Sat Sep 12 11:02:51 2009
From: roberto at asenseofdesign.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Roberto_Gorj=E3o?=)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 09:02:51 -0700
Subject: [thelist] How to check if a domain has hosting
In-Reply-To: <e158c8670909120113h2d98811cma47c38bfb4cc54b0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ca1b22cc0909112156m5eb8df35g7a0329782063c8d3@mail.gmail.com>
	<e158c8670909120113h2d98811cma47c38bfb4cc54b0@mail.gmail.com>
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Krystian - Sunlust wrote:
> Nope, no frameset definitions.
>
> Yesterday I finally had access to the ftp for the main domain and
> changing code on the website is changing code on all of them that
> should be pointing.
> So they're not pointing or redirecting,

What leaded you to conclude that there's no redirecting? If there's 
redirecting to the main domain, then alteration on its code would be 
reflected on the others too.

>  how is it possible that the
> URL stays in the address bar, even after going into content pages,  is
> it framed forwarding??
>   

Frame forwarding implies that the address stays exactly the same, all 
the time. Even when you press an internal link, the url would always end 
at the tld. Also, you would necessarily see a frameset at the source.

If the URL stays the same, iframes may also be in use. Look for iframes 
at the source.

The links are meaningless. They may point to another domain but, if that 
one is redirected, you will always end up at the main targeted one. Look 
to the source and you'll find out if they were wrongly hard coded. That 
may be why Google is confused.

If your client doesn't pay you enough to investigate this thoroughly, as 
you said before, ask your client to have access to the domain control 
panel. I should presume that he must either provide the means or the 
tools... if he wants the job done.

Roberto

From hassan.schroeder at gmail.com  Sat Sep 12 13:57:30 2009
From: hassan.schroeder at gmail.com (Hassan Schroeder)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 11:57:30 -0700
Subject: [thelist] How to check if a domain has hosting
In-Reply-To: <e158c8670909100929l70504133yc5d2f19d04a15a44@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e158c8670909100929l70504133yc5d2f19d04a15a44@mail.gmail.com>
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On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Krystian - Sunlust <sunlust at gmail.com> wrote:

> We have a bit of a problem with one of the clients, he has over 20
> different domains and due to problems with forwarding and the settings

I can't believe this is taking so much discussion.

Look up the IP addresses of the hosts  in question. Are they the
same? Issue solved. Different? Log into those systems and look
at the server config.

Done, and it's Miller Time (or equiv)  :-)

-- 
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twitter: @hassan

From roberto at asenseofdesign.com  Sat Sep 12 14:50:26 2009
From: roberto at asenseofdesign.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Roberto_Gorj=E3o?=)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 12:50:26 -0700
Subject: [thelist] How to check if a domain has hosting
In-Reply-To: <4eedb92a0909121157y6a980adci56a5a51569f4702b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e158c8670909100929l70504133yc5d2f19d04a15a44@mail.gmail.com>
	<4eedb92a0909121157y6a980adci56a5a51569f4702b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AABFB82.4010609@asenseofdesign.com>

Actually, Hassan, IP addresses are not reliable indicators in these 
cases. The same to server configs, if redirects or forwardings have been 
set at the domain registrar. I have both forwarded and redirected 
domains and they all present different IPs from those to which they 
point to, even when forwarding is established at the domain registrar.

Roberto

Hassan Schroeder wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Krystian - Sunlust <sunlust at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>   
>> We have a bit of a problem with one of the clients, he has over 20
>> different domains and due to problems with forwarding and the settings
>>     
>
> I can't believe this is taking so much discussion.
>
> Look up the IP addresses of the hosts  in question. Are they the
> same? Issue solved. Different? Log into those systems and look
> at the server config.
>
> Done, and it's Miller Time (or equiv)  :-)
>
>   

From hassan.schroeder at gmail.com  Sat Sep 12 15:53:50 2009
From: hassan.schroeder at gmail.com (Hassan Schroeder)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 13:53:50 -0700
Subject: [thelist] How to check if a domain has hosting
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References: <e158c8670909100929l70504133yc5d2f19d04a15a44@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 12:50 PM, Roberto Gorj?o
<roberto at asenseofdesign.com> wrote:
> Actually, Hassan, IP addresses are not reliable indicators in these
> cases. The same to server configs, if redirects or forwardings have been
> set at the domain registrar. I have both forwarded and redirected
> domains and they all present different IPs from those to which they
> point to, even when forwarding is established at the domain registrar.

I have absolutely no idea what you mean by either "forwarded" or
"redirected" in this context.

A name server takes a hostname and returns an IP address, or vice
versa. I'd love to see a concrete example of whatever it is you're
describing in that last sentence, because it makes no sense to me.

-- 
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twitter: @hassan

From tonyc at boldfish.co.uk  Sat Sep 12 16:04:56 2009
From: tonyc at boldfish.co.uk (Tony Crockford)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 22:04:56 +0100
Subject: [thelist] How to check if a domain has hosting
In-Reply-To: <4eedb92a0909121353y2fc41e21qa1e7cc02a934e08d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e158c8670909100929l70504133yc5d2f19d04a15a44@mail.gmail.com>
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On 12 Sep 2009, at 21:53, Hassan Schroeder wrote:

> On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 12:50 PM, Roberto Gorj?o
> <roberto at asenseofdesign.com> wrote:
>> Actually, Hassan, IP addresses are not reliable indicators in these
>> cases. The same to server configs, if redirects or forwardings have  
>> been
>> set at the domain registrar. I have both forwarded and redirected
>> domains and they all present different IPs from those to which they
>> point to, even when forwarding is established at the domain  
>> registrar.
>
> I have absolutely no idea what you mean by either "forwarded" or
> "redirected" in this context.
>
> A name server takes a hostname and returns an IP address, or vice
> versa. I'd love to see a concrete example of whatever it is you're
> describing in that last sentence, because it makes no sense to me.

Domain name registered at daily.co.uk
Nameserver at daily.co.uk

domain can be 'web forwarded' with or without a frame to another web  
address by siple set up in the daily.co.uk control panel.

I do this a lot for the .com to the .co.uk version for example.

so the IP address for a web forwarded domain will be that of the  
registrar.


what happens is that the nameserver at the registrar points takes all  
requests and redirects or forwards them to another domain, hosted  
elsewhere.

e.g. bclm.net reports its IP address as 195.26.90.35

but web requests are forwarded to bclm.co.uk (89.145.82.5) which is  
hosted.

I think that's what Roberto is referring to.


From jason.handby at corestar.co.uk  Sat Sep 12 16:06:38 2009
From: jason.handby at corestar.co.uk (Jason Handby)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 22:06:38 +0100
Subject: [thelist] How to check if a domain has hosting
In-Reply-To: <4eedb92a0909121353y2fc41e21qa1e7cc02a934e08d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e158c8670909100929l70504133yc5d2f19d04a15a44@mail.gmail.com><4eedb92a0909121157y6a980adci56a5a51569f4702b@mail.gmail.com><4AABFB82.4010609@asenseofdesign.com>
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> On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 12:50 PM, Roberto Gorj?o
> <roberto at asenseofdesign.com> wrote:
> > Actually, Hassan, IP addresses are not reliable indicators in these
> > cases. The same to server configs, if redirects or forwardings have
> been
> > set at the domain registrar. I have both forwarded and redirected
> > domains and they all present different IPs from those to which they
> > point to, even when forwarding is established at the domain
> registrar.
> 
> I have absolutely no idea what you mean by either "forwarded" or
> "redirected" in this context.
> 
> A name server takes a hostname and returns an IP address, or vice
> versa. I'd love to see a concrete example of whatever it is you're
> describing in that last sentence, because it makes no sense to me.

I think they're talking about the case where a hostname resolves to server A, but when a page is requested from server A it returns either an HTTP redirect to a website on server B, or alternatively a frameset containing one frame which loads the website on server B.


Jason


From roberto at asenseofdesign.com  Sat Sep 12 18:09:18 2009
From: roberto at asenseofdesign.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Roberto_Gorj=E3o?=)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 16:09:18 -0700
Subject: [thelist] How to check if a domain has hosting
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Yes, that's what I meant Tony. Thanks.

Further examples:

1- asenseofart.com, asenseofdesign.com and asenseofpoetics.com are all 
redirected to asenseof.net at the hosting company, so the domain name 
servers belong to them. Two of the final IPs of the redirected domains 
are equal, but the third is different and so is the one of the targeted 
domain. Why do final IPs vary? I am not sure but I believe it depends on 
the hosts' architecture.
domain -> dns IP -> final IP
asenseofart.com -> 66.33.206.206 -> 75.119.196.177
asenseofdesign.com -> 66.33.206.206 -> 75.119.196.177
asenseofpoetics.com -> 66.33.206.206 -> 75.119.204.100
asenseof.net -> 66.33.206.206 -> 75.119.212.27
So, same dns server, different IPs.

2- sergiocamolas.com is frame forwarded to parking.asenseofdesign.com at 
the domain registrar, so its domain name server is different because it 
belongs to the registrar. Final IPs vary too:
domain -> dns IP -> final IP
sergiocamolas.com -> 98.124.192.1 -> 98.124.199.1
parking.asenseofdesign.com -> 66.33.206.206 -> 75.119.196.177
So, different dns servers and different IPs.

If I had set the frame forwarding at the hosting company, I would have 
the same situation described at "1": same DNS, but differente IPs. So, 
as you see, either dns servers addresses or websites addresses (IPs) are 
not reliable indicators about if a website is hosted, redirected or 
frame forwarded (cloaked).

Roberto

--------------------------
Tony Crockford wrote:
> what happens is that the nameserver at the registrar points takes all  
> requests and redirects or forwards them to another domain, hosted  
> elsewhere.
>
> e.g. bclm.net reports its IP address as 195.26.90.35
>
> but web requests are forwarded to bclm.co.uk (89.145.82.5) which is  
> hosted.
>
> I think that's what Roberto is referring to.
>
>   
>
>

From hassan.schroeder at gmail.com  Sat Sep 12 20:20:32 2009
From: hassan.schroeder at gmail.com (Hassan Schroeder)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 18:20:32 -0700
Subject: [thelist] How to check if a domain has hosting
In-Reply-To: <391A3C86-9804-40C1-9A18-D34F434D2B82@boldfish.co.uk>
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On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 2:04 PM, Tony Crockford <tonyc at boldfish.co.uk> wrote:

> e.g. bclm.net reports its IP address as 195.26.90.35
>
> but web requests are forwarded to bclm.co.uk (89.145.82.5) which is
> hosted.

Perhaps we're answering different questions. I thought it was e.g.
"Is there a web server at 195.26.90.35, the DNS-reported IP for
that system?"

Yes there is -- and it's returning a 301 redirect, which is an *HTTP*
response that has *nothing* to do with DNS. And which, if you logged
into that system, you could figure out by looking at the server config.

So does "195.26.90.35" have "web hosting"? Yes, it does.

-- 
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twitter: @hassan

From hassan.schroeder at gmail.com  Sat Sep 12 20:37:07 2009
From: hassan.schroeder at gmail.com (Hassan Schroeder)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 18:37:07 -0700
Subject: [thelist] How to check if a domain has hosting
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On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Roberto Gorj?o
<roberto at asenseofdesign.com> wrote:

> 1- asenseofart.com, asenseofdesign.com and asenseofpoetics.com are all
> redirected to asenseof.net at the hosting company, so the domain name
> servers belong to them. Two of the final IPs of the redirected domains
> are equal, but the third is different and so is the one of the targeted
> domain. Why do final IPs vary? I am not sure but I believe it depends on
> the hosts' architecture.
> domain -> dns IP -> final IP
> asenseofart.com -> 66.33.206.206 -> 75.119.196.177
> asenseofdesign.com -> 66.33.206.206 -> 75.119.196.177
> asenseofpoetics.com -> 66.33.206.206 -> 75.119.204.100
> asenseof.net -> 66.33.206.206 -> 75.119.212.27
> So, same dns server, different IPs.

???  No one is talking about the address of the primary name server, which
is totally irrelevant to the question "is there a web server at X IP address?"

And there is no "redirection" involved here. It's simply how the Domain Name
System works.

h]$ host asenseofart.com
asenseofart.com has address 75.119.196.177
h]$ host asenseofdesign.com
asenseofdesign.com has address 67.205.59.229
h]$ host asenseofpoetics.com
asenseofpoetics.com has address 75.119.204.100
h]$ host asenseof.net
asenseof.net has address 75.119.212.27

Those are the IP addresses of the servers in question; log in and look
at the web server configurations. How is this not clear?

> 2- sergiocamolas.com is frame forwarded

I've never heard anyone use the term "frame forwarded" -- but whatever.
In any case, if frames are being used to provide content from other servers
transparently that's easily determined by viewing the page source.

> If I had set the frame forwarding at the hosting company, I would have
> the same situation described at "1": same DNS, but differente IPs. So,
> as you see, either dns servers addresses

I never suggested DNS server addresses are relevant to the original
question, because they certainly aren't; host IP addresses are.

-- 
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twitter: @hassan

From roberto at asenseofdesign.com  Sun Sep 13 00:41:22 2009
From: roberto at asenseofdesign.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Roberto_Gorj=E3o?=)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 22:41:22 -0700
Subject: [thelist] How to check if a domain has hosting
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Hassan,

1- I don't think your tone is appropriate. The objective here is to help 
each other.

2- If you never heard of "frame forwarding" maybe it is because you're 
not working with these things for as long as I do and you didn't 
actually read the first question on this thread. Google it and whatever 
yourself.

3- Yes, DNS server addresses have nothing to do with this and you didn't 
imply they did, but they were mentioned by Tony, so I thought it would 
make things clearer.

4- What you said first was that Krystian could know it all by the IPs 
and you implied they would be the same. He can't and they wouldn't, 
that's what I said. If Krystian has the login data he can know which 
ones are hosted, but he never said he had. He only said that he got FTP 
access and that only later, and even after that he seemed not sure of 
what was really happening and if there were frame forwardings in place.

5- The 301 redirect HTTP response will say to him if any of the IPs is 
redirected, which I had already said before, and the frame forwarding 
may be recognized by the source code, as Mohan had already said too. But 
these are not entirely conclusive: the 301 redirect HTTP response is 
commonly used by hosting companies, but some of them and some of the 
registrars often use status code 302. You can check it yourself: I have 
santosebandeira.com redirected, at the registrar, to santosbandeira.com, 
and the status code is 302.

6- I think that if Krystian doesn't get 301 or 302 status responses on 
some domains and their pages do not show framesets at the source, he 
probably can safely assume that those are the hosted domains. He asked 
if we are sure... I am not a network engineer and I know there are 
plenty of other status codes so I am not sure. If you are, go ahead and 
assure him.

Roberto

From hassan.schroeder at gmail.com  Sun Sep 13 01:12:28 2009
From: hassan.schroeder at gmail.com (Hassan Schroeder)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 23:12:28 -0700
Subject: [thelist] How to check if a domain has hosting
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	<4eedb92a0909121353y2fc41e21qa1e7cc02a934e08d@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 10:41 PM, Roberto Gorj?o
<roberto at asenseofdesign.com> wrote:

> 1- I don't think your tone is appropriate. The objective here is to help
> each other.

Yep, and that's the only reason I'm trying to correct some apparent
misconceptions :-)

> 2- If you never heard of "frame forwarding" maybe it is because you're
> not working with these things for as long as I do and you didn't
> actually read the first question on this thread. Google it and whatever
> yourself.

You're right, apparently the term is used by some cut-rate hosting
companies. You may have more experience -- I've only been running
web servers since 1994, and I've always used dedicated servers.

> 4- What you said first was that Krystian could know it all by the IPs
> and you implied they would be the same.

I didn't imply anything. I said they might be the same or they might
not. Either way, the IPs tell you which machines to examine.

> 5- The 301 redirect HTTP response will say to him if any of the IPs is
> redirected, which I had already said before, and the frame forwarding
> may be recognized by the source code, as Mohan had already said too. But
> these are not entirely conclusive: the 301 redirect HTTP response is
> commonly used by hosting companies, but some of them and some of the
> registrars often use status code 302. You can check it yourself: I have
> santosebandeira.com redirected, at the registrar, to santosbandeira.com,
> and the status code is 302.

One more confused paragraph. IP addresses are not "redirected";
HTTP requests are. And yes, the HTTP RFC specifies a number of
30x response codes, not just 301 or 302.

> 6- I think that if Krystian doesn't get 301 or 302 status responses on
> some domains and their pages do not show framesets at the source, he
> probably can safely assume

And I was trying to make the point that there's no need to "assume"
anything. Find the systems in question and check them directly. Or
at least that's what I'd do. YMMV.

-- 
Hassan Schroeder ------------------------ hassan.schroeder at gmail.com
twitter: @hassan

From bobm at dottedi.biz  Sun Sep 13 11:46:35 2009
From: bobm at dottedi.biz (Bob Meetin)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 10:46:35 -0600
Subject: [thelist] Borderline list question - Thunderbird
Message-ID: <4AAD21EB.4090209@dottedi.biz>

Just wondering if this is doable.  I use Thunderbird, love it except for 
the fact that both the InBox and Local Folders automatically list:

Primary In Box:
  * Inbox
  * Trash
  * Drafts
  * sent-mail
  * Templates
Local Folders:
  * Inbox
  * Unsent
  * Drafts
  * Sent
  * Junk
  * Trash

Several of these folders I "never" use and they take up real estate.  
For instance I could do away with:

Primary In Box:
  * Drafts
  * sent-mail
  * Templates
Local Folders:
  * Unsent
  * Drafts

Is there a reasonably easy way of canning these cookies?  Even with 
subfolders, my toplevel folders are long enough without having these 
placeholders waste space.  So I'm being picky...

-Bob