From Susan.Payne at cpa.state.tx.us Mon Oct 26 08:32:39 2009 From: Susan.Payne at cpa.state.tx.us (Susan Payne) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 08:32:39 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Definition lists? Message-ID: When do you find these semantically appropriate? I inherited some legacy code where they are used for a FAQ and I'm not feeling too good about this. Susan Payne Website Administrator | Fiscal Information Fiscal Management | Texas Comptroller of Public Accounts susan.payne at cpa.state.tx.us | 512-463-7639 From morrison.ben at gmail.com Mon Oct 26 09:03:00 2009 From: morrison.ben at gmail.com (ben morrison) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:03:00 +0000 Subject: [thelist] Definition lists? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6073aef90910260703n58087f04w2f5fb75e98550fe8@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Susan Payne wrote: > When do you find these semantically appropriate? > > I inherited some legacy code where they are used for a FAQ and I'm not > feeling too good about this. They are always contentious :( http://24ways.org/2007/my-other-christmas-present-is-a-definition-list ben From chris.price at choctaw.co.uk Mon Oct 26 09:35:30 2009 From: chris.price at choctaw.co.uk (Chris Price) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:35:30 +0100 Subject: [thelist] Definition lists? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: FAQ sounds like a definition list would fit because the answer (dd) directly relates to the question (dt), its not inferior which would be implied if it were in a sub list. 2009/10/26 Susan Payne > When do you find these semantically appropriate? > > I inherited some legacy code where they are used for a FAQ and I'm not > feeling too good about this. > > Susan Payne > > Website Administrator | Fiscal Information > Fiscal Management | Texas Comptroller of Public Accounts > susan.payne at cpa.state.tx.us | 512-463-7639 > > > > > > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > -- Chris Price 0777 629 0227 follow me at http://twitter.com/choctaw check out http://spoonfulofdreams.co.uk From julian.rickards at gmail.com Mon Oct 26 10:25:31 2009 From: julian.rickards at gmail.com (Julian Rickards) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:25:31 -0400 Subject: [thelist] Definition lists? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7613e9690910260825s50455681i5eac48dbe2d7721c@mail.gmail.com> 2009/10/26 Susan Payne > When do you find these semantically appropriate? > > I inherited some legacy code where they are used for a FAQ and I'm not > feeling too good about this. > > > *I tend to expand on what might be considered a "term" and tend to treat > definition lists as an "associative" lists. A FAQ would fit within my use as > well. Another time I have used them is when describing products such as > books where I would use the following as terms: Publication Date, ISBN, > Price, and other short items like that and then the definitions would be > "answers" to these items such as 2007, 10-123-456, $39.99. Although some > might argue that this information should be in a table, I don't really buy > that this is tabular data: in my mind, it is a list of small information > about, in this case, a book.* > > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > -- E-mail: julian dot rickards at gmail dot com From fredthejonester at gmail.com Mon Oct 26 10:19:51 2009 From: fredthejonester at gmail.com (Fred Jones) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:19:51 +0200 Subject: [thelist] Multiple Domain Names Message-ID: <177c0a10910260819g4afb953bv5c87378d1a7e9fe5@mail.gmail.com> >From what I've read, having multiple domain names pointing to the same site is actually *bad* for SEO. But I have a client who has a site, let's say something like bigdolls.com. All URLs in this email are made up, even if they exist. That's his main site. He also owns 20 other domains like detroitbigdolls.com reallybigdolls.com bigdollsforgirls.com etc. He has one of these now setup as a separate site called detroitbigdolls.com with one page with a basically just a big link to bigdolls.com. According to his stats, he gets over 20 visits a day to bigdolls.com as referrals from that site. He wants me now to make another 20 of these, one for each domain name. I think this will also be bad for SEO, no? I imagine that Google et all will probably determine that these are "bad" incoming links. I'm not sure about this. I suggested perhaps just point all 20 domains to the detroitbigdolls.com site and then Google will realize that it's only one incoming link and it's OK but still if people search for one of his domain names they will get there and then to his real site. Any thoughts? From joel at bizba6.com Mon Oct 26 12:20:27 2009 From: joel at bizba6.com (Joel Canfield) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 10:20:27 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Multiple Domain Names In-Reply-To: <177c0a10910260819g4afb953bv5c87378d1a7e9fe5@mail.gmail.com> References: <177c0a10910260819g4afb953bv5c87378d1a7e9fe5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <619d00930910261020v1c65cdacy113c0bf019a0f278@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 8:19 AM, Fred Jones wrote: > >From what I've read, having multiple domain names pointing to the same > site is actually *bad* for SEO. > while it's entirely possible that there may be some negative relation in some algorithm somewhere, stop fussing about what the search engines want, and consider: how does this affect a real human being's search? it's not hard to figure out that all those domains point the same place. I can ignore any that I don't remember, but if I see three domains on different sites, and discover they all point the same place, I only care if I needed those three to be different sites. if I was looking for *your* site, I don't care if there are eleven ways to get there. joel From evolt at markgroen.com Mon Oct 26 10:19:00 2009 From: evolt at markgroen.com (Mark Groen) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 08:19:00 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Definition lists? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4AE5BDE4.5090807@markgroen.com> Susan Payne wrote: > When do you find these semantically appropriate? > > I inherited some legacy code where they are used for a FAQ and I'm not > feeling too good about this. > Used in an FAQ a definition list would be nicely semantical IMHO. From the W3C: http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/lists.html#h-10.3 "Definition lists vary only slightly from other types of lists in that list items consist of two parts: a term and a description..." cheers, Mark -- From morrison.ben at gmail.com Mon Oct 26 12:29:26 2009 From: morrison.ben at gmail.com (ben morrison) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:29:26 +0000 Subject: [thelist] Multiple Domain Names In-Reply-To: <619d00930910261020v1c65cdacy113c0bf019a0f278@mail.gmail.com> References: <177c0a10910260819g4afb953bv5c87378d1a7e9fe5@mail.gmail.com> <619d00930910261020v1c65cdacy113c0bf019a0f278@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6073aef90910261029o674fe2ffl5c5b03016e02be93@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 5:20 PM, Joel Canfield wrote: > On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 8:19 AM, Fred Jones wrote: > >> >From what I've read, having multiple domain names pointing to the same >> site is actually *bad* for SEO. >> > > while it's entirely possible that there may be some negative relation in > some algorithm somewhere, stop fussing about what the search engines want, > and consider: how does this affect a real human being's search? This has nothing todo with human searching though is it? Its spamming the search engines, so yes there is a possibility the SEO could get worse. -- Ben Morrison From joel at bizba6.com Mon Oct 26 13:09:10 2009 From: joel at bizba6.com (Joel Canfield) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:09:10 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Multiple Domain Names In-Reply-To: <6073aef90910261029o674fe2ffl5c5b03016e02be93@mail.gmail.com> References: <177c0a10910260819g4afb953bv5c87378d1a7e9fe5@mail.gmail.com> <619d00930910261020v1c65cdacy113c0bf019a0f278@mail.gmail.com> <6073aef90910261029o674fe2ffl5c5b03016e02be93@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <619d00930910261109o376ac06ao7f96c64cdf3c6e22@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 10:29 AM, ben morrison wrote: > This has nothing todo with human searching though is it? Its spamming > the search engines, so yes there is a possibility the SEO could get > worse. I imagine it could be taken to the point of spamming, but that's not a given, is it? if people know me as joel, spinhead, joel canfield, or joel d canfield, why can't all those domain names point the same place, just as all the labels do in real life? sure, I could have "nsfw pictures dot com" point to "my multilevel marketing scam dot com" and, if I do, I should be punished. two very different scenarios. obviously I have no idea how SEO algorithms handle this. frankly I don't care; I care how humans handle it, and they handle it pretty well, I think. joel From fredthejonester at gmail.com Mon Oct 26 13:21:58 2009 From: fredthejonester at gmail.com (Fred Jones) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:21:58 +0200 Subject: [thelist] Multiple Domain Names In-Reply-To: <619d00930910261109o376ac06ao7f96c64cdf3c6e22@mail.gmail.com> References: <177c0a10910260819g4afb953bv5c87378d1a7e9fe5@mail.gmail.com> <619d00930910261020v1c65cdacy113c0bf019a0f278@mail.gmail.com> <6073aef90910261029o674fe2ffl5c5b03016e02be93@mail.gmail.com> <619d00930910261109o376ac06ao7f96c64cdf3c6e22@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <177c0a10910261121j124559b5r450b5e201d92a3b0@mail.gmail.com> > I imagine it could be taken to the point of spamming, but that's not a > given, is it? I think it is actually. > if people know me as joel, spinhead, joel canfield, or joel d canfield, why > can't all those domain names point the same place, just as all the labels do > in real life? sure, I could have "nsfw pictures dot com" point to "my > multilevel marketing scam dot com" and, if I do, I should be punished. > > two very different scenarios. obviously I have no idea how SEO algorithms > handle this. frankly I don't care; I care how humans handle it, and they > handle it pretty well, I think. To see how this affects SEO, check out the first few links here: http://www.google.com/search?q=multiple+domain+names+seo That's why I was asking to point all the non-primary domains to a secondary site--that site can have bad SEO, but at least it will catch those users who (for whatever reason) are anyway visiting those domains. F From joel at bizba6.com Mon Oct 26 13:35:53 2009 From: joel at bizba6.com (Joel Canfield) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:35:53 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Multiple Domain Names In-Reply-To: <177c0a10910261121j124559b5r450b5e201d92a3b0@mail.gmail.com> References: <177c0a10910260819g4afb953bv5c87378d1a7e9fe5@mail.gmail.com> <619d00930910261020v1c65cdacy113c0bf019a0f278@mail.gmail.com> <6073aef90910261029o674fe2ffl5c5b03016e02be93@mail.gmail.com> <619d00930910261109o376ac06ao7f96c64cdf3c6e22@mail.gmail.com> <177c0a10910261121j124559b5r450b5e201d92a3b0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <619d00930910261135l1a4e7c2al427e73b022a525dc@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Fred Jones wrote: > > I imagine it could be taken to the point of spamming, but that's not a > > given, is it? > > I think it is actually. unless we're defining 'spamming' in very different ways, I can't imagine that my having, for instance, joelcanfield.com and joeldcanfield.com point to the same site as spamming. elucidate. > To see how this affects SEO, check out the first few links here: > > http://www.google.com/search?q=multiple+domain+names+seo yes; noting Jill Whalen's comment here http://www.highrankings.com/issue060 what y'all seem to be talking about is the *technical* method of how you point multiple domains at the same site. Jill simply uses a redirect and circumvents seo negativity. but, conceptually, it sure looks a lot like a bunch of different domains pointing at the same site. joel From bobm at dottedi.biz Mon Oct 26 14:17:12 2009 From: bobm at dottedi.biz (Bob Meetin) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:17:12 -0600 Subject: [thelist] Multiple Domain Names In-Reply-To: <619d00930910261135l1a4e7c2al427e73b022a525dc@mail.gmail.com> References: <177c0a10910260819g4afb953bv5c87378d1a7e9fe5@mail.gmail.com> <619d00930910261020v1c65cdacy113c0bf019a0f278@mail.gmail.com> <6073aef90910261029o674fe2ffl5c5b03016e02be93@mail.gmail.com> <619d00930910261109o376ac06ao7f96c64cdf3c6e22@mail.gmail.com> <177c0a10910261121j124559b5r450b5e201d92a3b0@mail.gmail.com> <619d00930910261135l1a4e7c2al427e73b022a525dc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AE5F5B8.3080904@dottedi.biz> Joel Canfield wrote: > On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Fred Jones wrote: > > >>> I imagine it could be taken to the point of spamming, but that's not a >>> given, is it? >>> >> I think it is actually. >> > > > unless we're defining 'spamming' in very different ways, I can't imagine > that my having, for instance, joelcanfield.com and joeldcanfield.com point > to the same site as spamming. > > elucidate. > > > >> To see how this affects SEO, check out the first few links here: >> >> http://www.google.com/search?q=multiple+domain+names+seo >> > > > yes; noting Jill Whalen's comment here > http://www.highrankings.com/issue060 what > y'all seem to be talking about is the *technical* method of how you point > multiple domains at the same site. Jill simply uses a redirect and > circumvents seo negativity. but, conceptually, it sure looks a lot like a > bunch of different domains pointing at the same site. > > joel > I as well was curious, thus: http://www.highrankings.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=42011&pid=304489&st=0&#entry304489 -- Bob Meetin Rocket Science - the Art of Managing Distractions From brian at hondaswap.com Mon Oct 26 14:10:10 2009 From: brian at hondaswap.com (Brian Cummiskey) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:10:10 -0400 Subject: [thelist] Multiple Domain Names In-Reply-To: <177c0a10910261121j124559b5r450b5e201d92a3b0@mail.gmail.com> References: <177c0a10910260819g4afb953bv5c87378d1a7e9fe5@mail.gmail.com> <619d00930910261020v1c65cdacy113c0bf019a0f278@mail.gmail.com> <6073aef90910261029o674fe2ffl5c5b03016e02be93@mail.gmail.com> <619d00930910261109o376ac06ao7f96c64cdf3c6e22@mail.gmail.com> <177c0a10910261121j124559b5r450b5e201d92a3b0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AE5F412.4050402@hondaswap.com> The best way to handle multiple domain names is to park the 2ndary names on the primary, and in the primary, perform an htaccess or otherwise 301 redirect that says something like "if not www.site.com, make it www.site.com". RewriteEngine On RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} !^www\.yourdomain\.com RewriteRule (.*) http://www.yourdomain.com/$1 [L,R=301] This will also solve non-www vs www subdomain issues, keeping all your visitors on 1 true site. (but will break REAL subdomains if you use them, so use accordingly) From fredthejonester at gmail.com Mon Oct 26 14:56:00 2009 From: fredthejonester at gmail.com (Fred Jones) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:56:00 +0200 Subject: [thelist] Multiple Domain Names In-Reply-To: <4AE5F5B8.3080904@dottedi.biz> References: <177c0a10910260819g4afb953bv5c87378d1a7e9fe5@mail.gmail.com> <619d00930910261020v1c65cdacy113c0bf019a0f278@mail.gmail.com> <6073aef90910261029o674fe2ffl5c5b03016e02be93@mail.gmail.com> <619d00930910261109o376ac06ao7f96c64cdf3c6e22@mail.gmail.com> <177c0a10910261121j124559b5r450b5e201d92a3b0@mail.gmail.com> <619d00930910261135l1a4e7c2al427e73b022a525dc@mail.gmail.com> <4AE5F5B8.3080904@dottedi.biz> Message-ID: <177c0a10910261256l7c5bcbe5qbf28c4e5c59f240b@mail.gmail.com> >> yes; noting Jill Whalen's comment here >> http://www.highrankings.com/issue060 what >> y'all seem to be talking about is the *technical* method of how you point >> multiple domains at the same site. Jill simply uses a redirect and >> circumvents seo negativity. but, conceptually, it sure looks a lot like a >> bunch of different domains pointing at the same site. >> >> joel >> > I as well was curious, thus: > http://www.highrankings.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=42011&pid=304489&st=0&#entry304489 OK, you're both right on now. 301 is it. Bob, you realized you caused her to make her 28,687th post today. lol. That girl is BUSY. :) Thanks! From joel at bizba6.com Mon Oct 26 14:39:49 2009 From: joel at bizba6.com (Joel Canfield) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:39:49 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Multiple Domain Names In-Reply-To: <4AE5F5B8.3080904@dottedi.biz> References: <177c0a10910260819g4afb953bv5c87378d1a7e9fe5@mail.gmail.com> <619d00930910261020v1c65cdacy113c0bf019a0f278@mail.gmail.com> <6073aef90910261029o674fe2ffl5c5b03016e02be93@mail.gmail.com> <619d00930910261109o376ac06ao7f96c64cdf3c6e22@mail.gmail.com> <177c0a10910261121j124559b5r450b5e201d92a3b0@mail.gmail.com> <619d00930910261135l1a4e7c2al427e73b022a525dc@mail.gmail.com> <4AE5F5B8.3080904@dottedi.biz> Message-ID: <619d00930910261239v3e734650u892fe79649718747@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Bob Meetin wrote: > I as well was curious, thus: > > http://www.highrankings.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=42011&pid=304489&st=0&#entry304489 > > yup. I'll take Jill's word for it. nice. From joel at bizba6.com Mon Oct 26 15:23:03 2009 From: joel at bizba6.com (Joel Canfield) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:23:03 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Multiple Domain Names In-Reply-To: <177c0a10910261256l7c5bcbe5qbf28c4e5c59f240b@mail.gmail.com> References: <177c0a10910260819g4afb953bv5c87378d1a7e9fe5@mail.gmail.com> <619d00930910261020v1c65cdacy113c0bf019a0f278@mail.gmail.com> <6073aef90910261029o674fe2ffl5c5b03016e02be93@mail.gmail.com> <619d00930910261109o376ac06ao7f96c64cdf3c6e22@mail.gmail.com> <177c0a10910261121j124559b5r450b5e201d92a3b0@mail.gmail.com> <619d00930910261135l1a4e7c2al427e73b022a525dc@mail.gmail.com> <4AE5F5B8.3080904@dottedi.biz> <177c0a10910261256l7c5bcbe5qbf28c4e5c59f240b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <619d00930910261323p38bd878fn9ffc66b116e87c3f@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Fred Jones wrote: > OK, you're both right on now. 301 is it. > I just knew this all made sense somehow. I'm beginning to think this 'internet' thing they got is gonna be really popular before too long . . . joel From morrison.ben at gmail.com Mon Oct 26 14:28:54 2009 From: morrison.ben at gmail.com (ben morrison) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:28:54 +0000 Subject: [thelist] Multiple Domain Names In-Reply-To: <619d00930910261135l1a4e7c2al427e73b022a525dc@mail.gmail.com> References: <177c0a10910260819g4afb953bv5c87378d1a7e9fe5@mail.gmail.com> <619d00930910261020v1c65cdacy113c0bf019a0f278@mail.gmail.com> <6073aef90910261029o674fe2ffl5c5b03016e02be93@mail.gmail.com> <619d00930910261109o376ac06ao7f96c64cdf3c6e22@mail.gmail.com> <177c0a10910261121j124559b5r450b5e201d92a3b0@mail.gmail.com> <619d00930910261135l1a4e7c2al427e73b022a525dc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6073aef90910261228o5146d3c1k7aaf22a3775e6865@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Joel Canfield wrote: > On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Fred Jones wrote: > >> > I imagine it could be taken to the point of spamming, but that's not a >> > given, is it? >> >> I think it is actually. > > > unless we're defining 'spamming' in very different ways, I can't imagine > that my having, for instance, joelcanfield.com and joeldcanfield.com point > to the same site as spamming. > > elucidate. > # What are the most common abuses a website owner is likely to encounter? One common scam is the creation of "shadow" domains that funnel users to a site by using deceptive redirects. These shadow domains often will be owned by the SEO who claims to be working on a client's behalf. However, if the relationship sours, the SEO may point the domain to a different site, or even to a competitor's domain. If that happens, the client has paid to develop a competing site owned entirely by the SEO. Another illicit practice is to place "doorway" pages loaded with keywords on the client's site somewhere. The SEO promises this will make the page more relevant for more queries. This is inherently false since individual pages are rarely relevant for a wide range of keywords. More insidious, however, is that these doorway pages often contain hidden links to the SEO's other clients as well. Such doorway pages drain away the link popularity of a site and route it to the SEO and its other clients, which may include sites with unsavory or illegal content. http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=35291 > > yes; noting Jill Whalen's comment here > http://www.highrankings.com/issue060 what > y'all seem to be talking about is the *technical* method of how you point > multiple domains at the same site. Jill simply uses a redirect and > circumvents seo negativity. but, conceptually, it sure looks a lot like a > bunch of different domains pointing at the same site. yes, but as alwyas its bout the details, the best redirect is a 301 - permanent http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=wordpress+developers+london&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a So what happens eventually is google stops indexing the sites that have a 310 redirect, so they no longer appear in search engines, so they can become pointless. -- Ben Morrison From joel at bizba6.com Mon Oct 26 16:22:59 2009 From: joel at bizba6.com (Joel Canfield) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:22:59 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Multiple Domain Names In-Reply-To: <6073aef90910261228o5146d3c1k7aaf22a3775e6865@mail.gmail.com> References: <177c0a10910260819g4afb953bv5c87378d1a7e9fe5@mail.gmail.com> <619d00930910261020v1c65cdacy113c0bf019a0f278@mail.gmail.com> <6073aef90910261029o674fe2ffl5c5b03016e02be93@mail.gmail.com> <619d00930910261109o376ac06ao7f96c64cdf3c6e22@mail.gmail.com> <177c0a10910261121j124559b5r450b5e201d92a3b0@mail.gmail.com> <619d00930910261135l1a4e7c2al427e73b022a525dc@mail.gmail.com> <6073aef90910261228o5146d3c1k7aaf22a3775e6865@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <619d00930910261422n404b9db8ocfee54f5bc724a6c@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 12:28 PM, ben morrison wrote: > > unless we're defining 'spamming' in very different ways, I can't imagine > > that my having, for instance, joelcanfield.com and joeldcanfield.compoint > > to the same site as spamming. > > # What are the most common abuses a website owner is likely to encounter? > > clearly not speaking of the same thing, since my having two versions of my own name is obviously not 'abuse' or any sort of trickery. I used to have JoelTheWebGuy.com pointing at Spinhead.com because different people knew me each way. again, that hardly qualifies as abuse, having two legitimate names for the same website. From zachary.kent at gmail.com Mon Oct 26 09:25:26 2009 From: zachary.kent at gmail.com (Zachary Kent) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 10:25:26 -0400 Subject: [thelist] good drupal tutorial for non-web devs In-Reply-To: References: <4ADF2DAE.5080409@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2d59a5a30910260725j3ccf70vcfdac01a5242e33a@mail.gmail.com> bookmarked! On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 12:39 PM, David Shaver wrote: > I wrote a short simple one at > http://www.dashaver.com/Add-Content-Drupal-WebSite I could add menus > > David A. Shaver > D. A. Shaver Web Design > Web Page Design for Small Business > www.dashaver.com > PO Box 594 Galesburg,IL 61402-0594 > 309.343.0027 > > > > On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Sarah Adams wrote: > > > I'm looking for a good Drupal tutorial that I can point a client to. > > I've set up her site, done some of the basic configuration, and now it's > > time for her to add her content. Unfortunately all the tutorials I've > > found seem to be geared towards developers, with too much technical > > info, info about installing, etc. Anyone know of a good one that covers > > what a client needs to know to do basic stuff like add content to their > > site, add menu items, etc? I could write something for her myself but > > I'd prefer not to reinvent the wheel here. > > > > -- > > sarah adams > > web developer & programmer > > http://sarah.designshift.com > > -- > > > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From cdorer at gmail.com Mon Oct 26 20:14:44 2009 From: cdorer at gmail.com (Chris Dorer) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:14:44 -0400 Subject: [thelist] Any eCommerce software recommendations for.... Message-ID: <8ac626620910261814i22879bb4hed35300151879ecf@mail.gmail.com> evolters, I'm trying to figure out if there's a solution that would allow for: 1) A checkout system that allows an option to have no payments, that informs the store owners when a purchase is being requested with the invoice that contains the buyer's contact information. 2) A pricing setup that allows for package deals, when certain products are purchased together, there are price discounts automatically. What's the term for this if any when looking up information on eCommerce software features? What eCommerce software packages allow for this and is easy to use? Chris -- The abuse of greatness is when it disjoins remorse from power -- William Shakespeare From sarahwbs at gmail.com Mon Oct 26 10:58:52 2009 From: sarahwbs at gmail.com (Sarah Adams) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:58:52 -0300 Subject: [thelist] Definition lists? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4AE5C73C.4020500@gmail.com> > When do you find these semantically appropriate? > > I inherited some legacy code where they are used for a FAQ and I'm not > feeling too good about this. I don't see anything wrong with using a DL for an FAQ. Certainly better than using a bunch of DIVs or SPANs. It's not as though DT and DD in this case are being used purely for their style, the way BLOCKQUOTE is so often (mis)used for indenting. -- sarah adams web developer & programmer http://sarah.designshift.com From nan at nanharbison.com Tue Oct 27 14:15:58 2009 From: nan at nanharbison.com (Nan Harbison) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:15:58 -0400 Subject: [thelist] XAMPP not working on Vista Message-ID: Hi all, I installed XAMPP on my new Vista laptop (I requested the XP downgrade, but didn't seem to get it.) Anyway, it doesn't work. I can't go to http://localhost, or the ip address http://127.0.0.1, I get that it isn't found. And I can't start Apache from the XAMPP program window, which actually does show up on the task bar. I did read their note about Vista: Vista Note: Because of missing or insufficient write permissions in "C:\Program Files", we recommend to use alternate folder for XAMPP ("C:\xampp" or "C:\meinverzeichnis\xampp"). And installed it in C:/xampp My next computer might very well be a MAC, which would shock people who know me well. Thanks, Nan From nan at nanharbison.com Tue Oct 27 15:14:46 2009 From: nan at nanharbison.com (Nan Harbison) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:14:46 -0400 Subject: [thelist] XAMPP not working on Vista In-Reply-To: <005801ca573f$c90c40a0$5b24c1e0$@net> References: <005801ca573f$c90c40a0$5b24c1e0$@net> Message-ID: <5C1B629FB15746CE9C2D41355778926C@nancyb0bda4ba6> It just says: Busy... Starting Apache But then it never starts. So wait though, I think I know what is wrong. I added the files to a folder I created called xampp, and then inside that is the xampp folder with all of the files, So user error? Nan >You can't get to localhost since Apache isn't running. When you try to start Apache do you get any error messages in the output box below the start buttons? >>I installed XAMPP on my new Vista laptop (I requested the XP downgrade, but didn't seem to get it.) >>Anyway, it doesn't work. I can't go to http://localhost, or the ip address http://127.0.0.1, I get that it isn't found. >>And I can't start Apache from the XAMPP program window, which actually does show up on the task bar. >>I did read their note about Vista: >>Vista Note: >>Because of missing or insufficient write permissions in "C:\Program Files", we recommend to use alternate folder for XAMPP ("C:\xampp" or "C:\meinverzeichnis\xampp"). >>And installed it in C:/xampp From dwayne.conyers at hp.com Tue Oct 27 15:44:29 2009 From: dwayne.conyers at hp.com (Conyers, Dwayne) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:44:29 +0000 Subject: [thelist] Windows 7 (64-bit) Message-ID: <769907F0D19EFA45BD6F04FC6E896D6D2204B15214@GVW0538EXC.americas.hpqcorp.net> I have a 64-bit HP Pavilion (employee perk) that came bundled with 64-bit Vista. Since no Mac owners want to trade with me (kidding... a little...) thinking about doing the upgrade to Windows 7. Can anyone who has gone that path (or a similar path) provide some tips for the wary? After all... the wise man said "Paranoia is only heightened awareness." -- I made magic once. Now, the sofa is gone. http://blog.dwacon.com http://www.twitter.com/dwacon From Paul.Bennett at mch.govt.nz Tue Oct 27 15:25:35 2009 From: Paul.Bennett at mch.govt.nz (Paul Bennett) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:25:35 +1300 Subject: [thelist] XAMPP not working on Vista In-Reply-To: <5C1B629FB15746CE9C2D41355778926C@nancyb0bda4ba6> References: <005801ca573f$c90c40a0$5b24c1e0$@net> <5C1B629FB15746CE9C2D41355778926C@nancyb0bda4ba6> Message-ID: Hi Nan, Try checking the Apache error logs. It sounds like you have an error in your httpd.conf which is stopping Apache from starting successfully. Typically these are either file path or permissions issues and the logs will have all the details you need to move forward. Regards, Paul -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Nan Harbison Sent: Wednesday, 28 October 2009 9:15 a.m. To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: Re: [thelist] XAMPP not working on Vista It just says: Busy... Starting Apache But then it never starts. So wait though, I think I know what is wrong. I added the files to a folder I created called xampp, and then inside that is the xampp folder with all of the files, So user error? Nan >You can't get to localhost since Apache isn't running. When you try to start Apache do you get any error messages in the output box below the start buttons? >>I installed XAMPP on my new Vista laptop (I requested the XP downgrade, but didn't seem to get it.) >>Anyway, it doesn't work. I can't go to http://localhost, or the ip address http://127.0.0.1, I get that it isn't found. >>And I can't start Apache from the XAMPP program window, which actually does show up on the task bar. >>I did read their note about Vista: >>Vista Note: >>Because of missing or insufficient write permissions in "C:\Program Files", we recommend to use alternate folder for XAMPP ("C:\xampp" or "C:\meinverzeichnis\xampp"). >>And installed it in C:/xampp -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! www.mch.govt.nz - www.teara.govt.nz - www.nzhistory.net.nz - www.nzlive.com The information contained in this email message does not necessarily reflect the views of the Ministry for Culture and Heritage and may contain information that is confidential or subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient and receive this email in error: please notify the Ministry for Culture and Heritage by return email or telephone (64 4 499 4229) and delete this email; you must not use, disclose, copy or distribute this message or the information in it. PLEASE CONSIDER THE ENVIRONMENT BEFORE YOU PRINT THIS EMAIL From kipper_timmins at live.co.uk Tue Oct 27 16:27:57 2009 From: kipper_timmins at live.co.uk (Kipper Timmins) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:27:57 +0000 Subject: [thelist] Windows 7 (64-bit) In-Reply-To: <769907F0D19EFA45BD6F04FC6E896D6D2204B15214@GVW0538EXC.americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <769907F0D19EFA45BD6F04FC6E896D6D2204B15214@GVW0538EXC.americas.hpqcorp.net> Message-ID: Hey there, I have installed windows 7, however I did it as a clean install. The only issue I have had is that I got it through a student deal from the Microsoft website and they never gave me a product key, so I am currently in the process of making a complain so that I can activate my version. So the question is, should you do a clean install or not? Personally I have only ever clean installed. The process is very simple, you boot from dvd and then it just does it. As soon as it is up it just works. There are some updates to download however this is fine aswell. The whole process is easy. It also gives you the option to alter your partition tables should you choose to allowing you to have other OS's on at the same time. Just so you know my version is windows pro x64 upgrade. All the programs that I use have all gone onto windows 7 without a hitch, in fact they went on easier than any other os I have used. Finding drivers for printers and stuff actually just happens automatically which is kinda nice. Hopefully this answers some of your questions. Just one thing, before you clean install, or upgrade in place, make sure you completely backup your system. Including any config settings for email programs or saved game data, or anything like that. The amount of times I have lost information just because it was in a weird place is unbelievable. Good luck and I hope the process goes well, Kipper -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Conyers, Dwayne Sent: 27 October 2009 20:44 To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: [thelist] Windows 7 (64-bit) I have a 64-bit HP Pavilion (employee perk) that came bundled with 64-bit Vista. Since no Mac owners want to trade with me (kidding... a little...) thinking about doing the upgrade to Windows 7. Can anyone who has gone that path (or a similar path) provide some tips for the wary? After all... the wise man said "Paranoia is only heightened awareness." -- I made magic once. Now, the sofa is gone. http://blog.dwacon.com http://www.twitter.com/dwacon -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From rob at rob-n-steph.net Tue Oct 27 14:57:57 2009 From: rob at rob-n-steph.net (Robert Lee) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:57:57 -0400 Subject: [thelist] XAMPP not working on Vista In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <005801ca573f$c90c40a0$5b24c1e0$@net> You can't get to localhost since Apache isn't running. When you try to start Apache do you get any error messages in the output box below the start buttons? -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Nan Harbison Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 3:16 PM To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: [thelist] XAMPP not working on Vista Hi all, I installed XAMPP on my new Vista laptop (I requested the XP downgrade, but didn't seem to get it.) Anyway, it doesn't work. I can't go to http://localhost, or the ip address http://127.0.0.1, I get that it isn't found. And I can't start Apache from the XAMPP program window, which actually does show up on the task bar. I did read their note about Vista: Vista Note: Because of missing or insufficient write permissions in "C:\Program Files", we recommend to use alternate folder for XAMPP ("C:\xampp" or "C:\meinverzeichnis\xampp"). And installed it in C:/xampp My next computer might very well be a MAC, which would shock people who know me well. Thanks, Nan -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From evolt at roselli.org Mon Oct 26 08:50:45 2009 From: evolt at roselli.org (aardvark) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 09:50:45 -0400 Subject: [thelist] Definition lists? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4AE570F5.14274.202AEC@localhost> On 26 Oct 2009 at 8:32, Susan Payne wrote: > When do you find these semantically appropriate? > > I inherited some legacy code where they are used for a FAQ and I'm not > feeling too good about this. how are they used?
FAQ question thinger?
Overly verbose and ultimately useless answer that tells you what you already know.
(don't let my judgment of most FAQs offend you) in that context, i think they are perfectly appropriate and probably a better choice, semantically and structurally, than

or

  • ... i use them all the time for similar purposes... I often use them with a news index where the
    indicates the title and the
    contains the abstract and/or date... From chris at gettheedgeonline.com Tue Oct 27 09:45:56 2009 From: chris at gettheedgeonline.com (Chris Dempsey) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:45:56 -0000 Subject: [thelist] Any eCommerce software recommendations for.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2B56E445B5CFF24FA32E2F4FB0112F222C8FDD@sbserver.theedge.local> Hi Chris, You didn't say if you had a preferred platform your solution has to work on. If it's a windows box with ASP solution I highly recommend catctushop.com. Their software will take care of both your requirements. > 1) A checkout system that allows an option to have no payments, that informs > the store owners when a purchase is being requested with the invoice that > contains the buyer's contact information. Cactushop calls this a Purchase Order. > 2) A pricing setup that allows for package deals, when certain products are > purchased together, there are price discounts automatically. What's the > term for this if any when looking up information on eCommerce software > features? Cactushop calls this Promotions eg. buy one get x free, buy x get y half price etc. Thanks, Chris -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Chris Dorer Sent: 27 October 2009 02:30 To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: [thelist] Any eCommerce software recommendations for.... evolters, I'm trying to figure out if there's a solution that would allow for: 1) A checkout system that allows an option to have no payments, that informs the store owners when a purchase is being requested with the invoice that contains the buyer's contact information. 2) A pricing setup that allows for package deals, when certain products are purchased together, there are price discounts automatically. What's the term for this if any when looking up information on eCommerce software features? What eCommerce software packages allow for this and is easy to use? Chris -- The abuse of greatness is when it disjoins remorse from power -- William Shakespeare -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From nan at nanharbison.com Tue Oct 27 18:09:34 2009 From: nan at nanharbison.com (Nan Harbison) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:09:34 -0400 Subject: [thelist] XAMPP not working on Vista References: <005801ca573f$c90c40a0$5b24c1e0$@net> <5C1B629FB15746CE9C2D41355778926C@nancyb0bda4ba6> Message-ID: This is the error: (OS 10048)Only one usage of each socket address (protocol/network address/port) is normally permitted. : make_sock: could not bind to address 0.0.0.0:80 no listening sockets available, shutting down Unable to open logs I tried uninstalling XAMPP and reinstalling it and I get the same error message Nan -----Original Message----- From: Paul Bennett [mailto:Paul.Bennett at mch.govt.nz] Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 4:26 PM To: nan at nanharbison.com; thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: RE: [thelist] XAMPP not working on Vista Hi Nan, Try checking the Apache error logs. It sounds like you have an error in your httpd.conf which is stopping Apache from starting successfully. Typically these are either file path or permissions issues and the logs will have all the details you need to move forward. Regards, Paul -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Nan Harbison Sent: Wednesday, 28 October 2009 9:15 a.m. To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: Re: [thelist] XAMPP not working on Vista It just says: Busy... Starting Apache But then it never starts. So wait though, I think I know what is wrong. I added the files to a folder I created called xampp, and then inside that is the xampp folder with all of the files, So user error? Nan >You can't get to localhost since Apache isn't running. When you try to start Apache do you get any error messages in the output box below the start buttons? >>I installed XAMPP on my new Vista laptop (I requested the XP downgrade, but didn't seem to get it.) >>Anyway, it doesn't work. I can't go to http://localhost, or the ip address http://127.0.0.1, I get that it isn't found. >>And I can't start Apache from the XAMPP program window, which actually does show up on the task bar. >>I did read their note about Vista: >>Vista Note: >>Because of missing or insufficient write permissions in "C:\Program Files", we recommend to use alternate folder for XAMPP ("C:\xampp" or "C:\meinverzeichnis\xampp"). >>And installed it in C:/xampp -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! www.mch.govt.nz - www.teara.govt.nz - www.nzhistory.net.nz - www.nzlive.com The information contained in this email message does not necessarily reflect the views of the Ministry for Culture and Heritage and may contain information that is confidential or subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient and receive this email in error: please notify the Ministry for Culture and Heritage by return email or telephone (64 4 499 4229) and delete this email; you must not use, disclose, copy or distribute this message or the information in it. PLEASE CONSIDER THE ENVIRONMENT BEFORE YOU PRINT THIS EMAIL From Susan.Payne at cpa.state.tx.us Tue Oct 27 12:10:56 2009 From: Susan.Payne at cpa.state.tx.us (Susan Payne) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:10:56 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Definition lists In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for all the input on definition lists. It is indeed a sticky situation > I don't see anything wrong with using a DL for an FAQ. Certainly better >than using a bunch of DIVs or SPANs. Well this a semantic issue, not a presentation one so divs/spans weren't part of the consideration for me. The other options I would use instead of a dl would be paragraphs for each question and answer; header/paragraph; or unordered list. I think the header/paragraph is what I'll use in the future. The person who built this site also used dl's for navigation which really seems odd. One of the links someone sent yesterday noted that the usage for dl's might be changed in HTML 5 anyway so I think I'm going to stick to a very strict definition of "definition". Susan Payne Website Administrator | Fiscal Information Fiscal Management | Texas Comptroller of Public Accounts susan.payne at cpa.state.tx.us | 512-463-7639 From cdorer at gmail.com Tue Oct 27 18:06:25 2009 From: cdorer at gmail.com (Chris Dorer) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:06:25 -0400 Subject: [thelist] Any eCommerce software recommendations for.... In-Reply-To: <2B56E445B5CFF24FA32E2F4FB0112F222C8FDD@sbserver.theedge.local> References: <2B56E445B5CFF24FA32E2F4FB0112F222C8FDD@sbserver.theedge.local> Message-ID: <8ac626620910271606scfbd7e7oc6484c1f508a9f44@mail.gmail.com> Chris, That's great! Those terminologies will help me in my search. I'll look into cactus shop as a base of features. Thank you for reminding me on the platform requirements, it does have to be on a linux platform, php or java as a language is preferred. Chris On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 10:45 AM, Chris Dempsey wrote: > Hi Chris, > > You didn't say if you had a preferred platform your solution has to work > on. > > If it's a windows box with ASP solution I highly recommend > catctushop.com. Their software will take care of both your > requirements. > > > 1) A checkout system that allows an option to have no payments, that > informs > > the store owners when a purchase is being requested with the invoice > that > > contains the buyer's contact information. > Cactushop calls this a Purchase Order. > > > 2) A pricing setup that allows for package deals, when certain > products are > > purchased together, there are price discounts automatically. What's > the > > term for this if any when looking up information on eCommerce software > > features? > Cactushop calls this Promotions eg. buy one get x free, buy x get y half > price etc. > > Thanks, > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org > [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Chris Dorer > Sent: 27 October 2009 02:30 > To: thelist at lists.evolt.org > Subject: [thelist] Any eCommerce software recommendations for.... > > evolters, > > I'm trying to figure out if there's a solution that would allow for: > > 1) A checkout system that allows an option to have no payments, that > informs > the store owners when a purchase is being requested with the invoice > that > contains the buyer's contact information. > > 2) A pricing setup that allows for package deals, when certain products > are > purchased together, there are price discounts automatically. What's the > term for this if any when looking up information on eCommerce software > features? > > What eCommerce software packages allow for this and is easy to use? > > Chris > > -- > The abuse of greatness is when it disjoins remorse from power -- William > Shakespeare > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > -- The abuse of greatness is when it disjoins remorse from power -- William Shakespeare From mydarb at gmail.com Tue Oct 27 20:06:35 2009 From: mydarb at gmail.com (Brady Mitchell) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:06:35 -0700 Subject: [thelist] XAMPP not working on Vista In-Reply-To: References: <005801ca573f$c90c40a0$5b24c1e0$@net> <5C1B629FB15746CE9C2D41355778926C@nancyb0bda4ba6> Message-ID: <43f7a9ca0910271806h5b6606ecsc3ebf09e79a781fc@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Nan Harbison wrote: > This is the error: > (OS 10048)Only one usage of each socket address (protocol/network > address/port) is normally permitted. ?: make_sock: could not bind to address > 0.0.0.0:80 > no listening sockets available, shutting down > Unable to open logs That means port 80 is already in use. Do you use Skype? http://www.apachefriends.org/en/faq-xampp-windows.html#nostart Brady From bird at koolfish.com Wed Oct 28 05:05:57 2009 From: bird at koolfish.com (Birdie) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 18:05:57 +0800 Subject: [thelist] css menu problem Message-ID: <30A48B76DC014F0E8703BE2BD76874B8@BIRDIE> Hi, Sorry to post here, but have tried sending to the css-discuss list and its not getting through. I'm a newbie when it comes to css and positioning. I have two problems that need looking at if anyone can help. They both concern the menu bar. Page is here: http://www.koolfish.com/test/index.html Css is here: http://www.koolfish.com/test/css/mainstyles.css 1. In IE there is a gap between the red nav bar div and the gold donations div which I can not seem to eliminate. 2. Is it possible to align the the red menu items to the right in the red menu bar and if so how do I do that? On a side note, Am I correct in building the menu as a
      ? Should my donations link be in its own
        or is that fine just to leave as text? Why do you use a list for a menu when it's a menu and not a list? Thanks in advance. Lisa From nan at nanharbison.com Wed Oct 28 05:43:01 2009 From: nan at nanharbison.com (Nan Harbison) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 06:43:01 -0400 Subject: [thelist] css menu problem In-Reply-To: <30A48B76DC014F0E8703BE2BD76874B8@BIRDIE> References: <30A48B76DC014F0E8703BE2BD76874B8@BIRDIE> Message-ID: <0C6EB8DBFD7940D3AFA7326234B105EE@nancyb0bda4ba6> Lisa, The reason IE screws up is because it interprets elements differently. Read this article: http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200612/internet_explorer_and_the_css_b ox_model/ I use suggestion 3, conditional comments for all websites that I create now. You can tweak the CSS for each version of IE, since they all suck in different ways. I will be interested to hear why others use UL for menus. I do it because it is a convenient way to style a group of the same elements without having to use a separate div for each element. Nan -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Birdie Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 6:06 AM To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: [thelist] css menu problem Hi, Sorry to post here, but have tried sending to the css-discuss list and its not getting through. I'm a newbie when it comes to css and positioning. I have two problems that need looking at if anyone can help. They both concern the menu bar. Page is here: http://www.koolfish.com/test/index.html Css is here: http://www.koolfish.com/test/css/mainstyles.css 1. In IE there is a gap between the red nav bar div and the gold donations div which I can not seem to eliminate. 2. Is it possible to align the the red menu items to the right in the red menu bar and if so how do I do that? On a side note, Am I correct in building the menu as a
          ? Should my donations link be in its own
            or is that fine just to leave as text? Why do you use a list for a menu when it's a menu and not a list? Thanks in advance. Lisa -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From Ken at adOpenStatic.com Wed Oct 28 01:36:00 2009 From: Ken at adOpenStatic.com (Ken Schaefer) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:36:00 +1100 Subject: [thelist] Windows 7 (64-bit) In-Reply-To: <769907F0D19EFA45BD6F04FC6E896D6D2204B15214@GVW0538EXC.americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <769907F0D19EFA45BD6F04FC6E896D6D2204B15214@GVW0538EXC.americas.hpqcorp.net> Message-ID: Just put the setup DVD in whilst Vista is running. It will recommend you run the upgrade advisor prior to performing the upgrade. That identifies common incompatibilities/issues/apps that need to be ugpraded. Then it does the upgrade if you want. It's a relatively painless process. If you're happy with your current Vista installation you can do an upgrade. If you'd like to start again from scratch then a clean install might be better. Cheers Ken ________________________________________ From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Conyers, Dwayne [dwayne.conyers at hp.com] Sent: Wednesday, 28 October 2009 7:44 AM To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: [thelist] Windows 7 (64-bit) I have a 64-bit HP Pavilion (employee perk) that came bundled with 64-bit Vista. Since no Mac owners want to trade with me (kidding... a little...) thinking about doing the upgrade to Windows 7. Can anyone who has gone that path (or a similar path) provide some tips for the wary? After all... the wise man said "Paranoia is only heightened awareness." From roel.mulder at gmail.com Wed Oct 28 07:55:48 2009 From: roel.mulder at gmail.com (Roel Mulder) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:55:48 +0100 Subject: [thelist] Local path of uploaded file Message-ID: <3cda48880910280555k592cfe87s2b0b89ebf4c0c225@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, So I have a form that uploads a file, along with some text fields. PHP validates the form, and returns the visitor to the form if not all criteria are met. The upload form is then empty. My question is: how do I keep the local path + file name in the input field? Google points me back in time to 2003: http://forums.devshed.com/php-development-5/getting-the-remote-file-path-from-input-type-file-56068.html where it should be provided by js. However, when I test it, it only returns the original file name (same as $_FILES['userfile']['name'] ). Actually FF returns the file name "test-file.pdf" only, IE returns "C:\fakepath\test-file.pdf" whilst the file came from a network share. Does anyone have a suggestion, or provide a hyperlink to a working example? Thanks, Roel From david at chelseacreekstudio.com Wed Oct 28 09:36:03 2009 From: david at chelseacreekstudio.com (David Laakso) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 10:36:03 -0400 Subject: [thelist] css menu problem In-Reply-To: <30A48B76DC014F0E8703BE2BD76874B8@BIRDIE> References: <30A48B76DC014F0E8703BE2BD76874B8@BIRDIE> Message-ID: <4AE856D3.2070003@chelseacreekstudio.com> Birdie wrote: > http://www.koolfish.com/test/index.html > > > > 1. In IE there is a gap between the red nav bar div and the gold > donations div which I can not seem to eliminate. > 2. Is it possible to align the the red menu items to the right in the > red menu bar and if so how do I do that? > Hi, yourself... If you'll pardon the expression, the changes required are too many to /list/ here. Please see corrections and notes on the CSS file. Fwiw, no specific correction (hack) for IE/6 is needed. Cursory checked in Opera, FF, Seamonkey, IE /6, IE /7, and IE/8. html css > On a side note, > > Am I correct in building the menu as a
              ? > Yes. > Should my donations link be in its own
                No. > or is that fine just to leave as > text? > Yes. > Why do you use a list for a menu when it's a menu and not a list? > In a restaurant, a menu is simply a list of items you can purchase to eat, drink, and get sick on. In html an unordered list (ul), or an ordered list (ol), are a list of items (regardless if the list is set vertically or horizontally), too. In your site, I suppose you might sat they are a list of destinations within the site a user might go. If it is more clear to you to change the id from #menu to #destinations (or whatever you like) do so. > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Lisa > Sure. As ever, Tom Cruise > > > > > > > From chris.price at choctaw.co.uk Wed Oct 28 10:38:18 2009 From: chris.price at choctaw.co.uk (Chris Price) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:38:18 +0000 Subject: [thelist] css menu problem In-Reply-To: <30A48B76DC014F0E8703BE2BD76874B8@BIRDIE> References: <30A48B76DC014F0E8703BE2BD76874B8@BIRDIE> Message-ID: 1. In IE there is a gap between the red nav bar div and the gold > donations div which I can not seem to eliminate. > I would go for a simpler approach. Create a graphic comprising the red and gold bars and make that as a background for the main container (no-repeat). That way there will never be an issue of the 2 marrying and your 'donations' and menu items don't need any background. > 2. Is it possible to align the the red menu items to the right in the > red menu bar and if so how do I do that? > Make all the list items float right and reverse the order in your list. > > Am I correct in building the menu as a
                  ? > Yes, it is a list > > Should my donations link be in its own
                    or is that fine just to leave > as > text? > Technically you could have a list of one but that would would presume you were going to add to it. I'd have though it should be an H. > > Why do you use a list for a menu when it's a menu and not a list? > The word 'menu' is only a metaphor for its real world equivalent. Its really a list of options so it is a list in my humble opinion. By the way, you don't need right and left margins set to auto you just need {margin: auto} unless you're setting the vertical placement as well. Also, you don't need to define 0 in terms of pixels, {margin: 0} will suffice. Hope this helps -- Chris Price 0777 629 0227 follow me at http://twitter.com/choctaw check out http://spoonfulofdreams.co.uk From nan at nanharbison.com Wed Oct 28 08:56:26 2009 From: nan at nanharbison.com (Nan Harbison) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:56:26 -0400 Subject: [thelist] Local path of uploaded file In-Reply-To: <3cda48880910280555k592cfe87s2b0b89ebf4c0c225@mail.gmail.com> References: <3cda48880910280555k592cfe87s2b0b89ebf4c0c225@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <30BF9A7486354D9F9F3C95A27E9003D0@nancyb0bda4ba6> I use a great class for file uploads. http://phpclasses.ranchoweb.com/browse/package/1708.html It does all the work for you, including renaming the file for securitty and has an example of how to use it., Nan -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Roel Mulder Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 8:56 AM To: The List Subject: [thelist] Local path of uploaded file Hi all, So I have a form that uploads a file, along with some text fields. PHP validates the form, and returns the visitor to the form if not all criteria are met. The upload form is then empty. My question is: how do I keep the local path + file name in the input field? Google points me back in time to 2003: http://forums.devshed.com/php-development-5/getting-the-remote-file-path-fro m-input-type-file-56068.html where it should be provided by js. However, when I test it, it only returns the original file name (same as $_FILES['userfile']['name'] ). Actually FF returns the file name "test-file.pdf" only, IE returns "C:\fakepath\test-file.pdf" whilst the file came from a network share. Does anyone have a suggestion, or provide a hyperlink to a working example? Thanks, Roel -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From sarahwbs at gmail.com Wed Oct 28 08:23:53 2009 From: sarahwbs at gmail.com (Sarah Adams) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 10:23:53 -0300 Subject: [thelist] Definition lists In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4AE845E9.50105@gmail.com> >> I don't see anything wrong with using a DL for an FAQ. Certainly > better >> than using a bunch of DIVs or SPANs. > > Well this a semantic issue, not a presentation one so divs/spans weren't > part of the consideration for me. The other options I would use instead > of a dl would be paragraphs for each question and answer; > header/paragraph; or unordered list. I think the header/paragraph is > what I'll use in the future. The person who built this site also used > dl's for navigation which really seems odd. > > One of the links someone sent yesterday noted that the usage for dl's > might be changed in HTML 5 anyway so I think I'm going to stick to a > very strict definition of "definition". Either way, DIVs, SPANs, Ps, they are all very generic and not really what you're looking for. The beauty of the DL is that the DT and DD are related to each other, rather than simply being adjacent to each other. Think, what happens if your FAQ answer has more than one paragraph? Here is the entry for DL in the HTML 5 spec: http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/semantics.html#the-dl-element Quote: "The dl element represents an association list consisting of zero or more name-value groups (a description list). Each group must consist of one or more names (dt elements) followed by one or more values (dd elements). Name-value groups may be terms and definitions, metadata topics and values, or any other groups of name-value data." Sounds like they're making DL even *more* appropriate for an FAQ. -- sarah adams web developer & programmer http://sarah.designshift.com From lee.kowalkowski at googlemail.com Wed Oct 28 08:24:13 2009 From: lee.kowalkowski at googlemail.com (Lee Kowalkowski) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:24:13 +0000 Subject: [thelist] Local path of uploaded file In-Reply-To: <3cda48880910280555k592cfe87s2b0b89ebf4c0c225@mail.gmail.com> References: <3cda48880910280555k592cfe87s2b0b89ebf4c0c225@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <610592c90910280624w6a5e9fffi7741edb7540ca7ff@mail.gmail.com> 2009/10/28 Roel Mulder : > My question is: how do I keep the local path + file name in the type="file" /> input field? It's not possible, otherwise, an attacker would be able to craft a form that automatically submits and uploads files against a victim's knowledge. You should try to match your validation in JavaScript if possible to help prevent this situation. -- Lee www.webdeavour.co.uk From morrison.ben at gmail.com Wed Oct 28 11:03:43 2009 From: morrison.ben at gmail.com (ben morrison) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:03:43 +0000 Subject: [thelist] Local path of uploaded file In-Reply-To: <610592c90910280624w6a5e9fffi7741edb7540ca7ff@mail.gmail.com> References: <3cda48880910280555k592cfe87s2b0b89ebf4c0c225@mail.gmail.com> <610592c90910280624w6a5e9fffi7741edb7540ca7ff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6073aef90910280903j23a45a62o648ec1274cb7e2d@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Lee Kowalkowski wrote: > 2009/10/28 Roel Mulder : >> My question is: how do I keep the local path + file name in the > type="file" /> input field? > > It's not possible, otherwise, an attacker would be able to craft a > form that automatically submits and uploads files against a victim's > knowledge. > > You should try to match your validation in JavaScript if possible to > help prevent this situation. Indeed, or validate everything else first, its no biggie we are all used to it. there maybe a flash uploader that gets around it... maybe not ben -- Ben Morrison From sunlust at gmail.com Wed Oct 28 06:34:53 2009 From: sunlust at gmail.com (Krystian Szastok) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:34:53 +0000 Subject: [thelist] Google wave invites needed Message-ID: Hi guys, Was just wondering if anyone has any Google wave invites? I'd love to get one, or maybe anyone has a friend that has one?? So hard to get! Let me know off list or on list, we can also discuss the features of google wave here, I'd like to hear more about it because it's the newest buzz word. Best regards, -- Krystian Szastok Affordable, Freelance Web Designer in Eastbourne, East Sussex: http://eastbournewebdesign.net Mobile UK (Orange): 07528 036 337 Call for more information or email me. From anthony at baratta.com Wed Oct 28 09:07:51 2009 From: anthony at baratta.com (Anthony Baratta) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 07:07:51 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Local path of uploaded file In-Reply-To: <3cda48880910280555k592cfe87s2b0b89ebf4c0c225@mail.gmail.com> References: <3cda48880910280555k592cfe87s2b0b89ebf4c0c225@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AE85037.9030009@baratta.com> Roel Mulder wrote: > > My question is: how do I keep the local path + file name in the type="file" /> input field? You can't. It's a browser security issue. Option 1: Add some JS browser side to validate the form. (Keep the server side validation!) That will minimize (but not eliminate) the form refresh issue. Option 2: Create an AJAX widget for the form upload and hold it temporarily in stasis on the server until the full form form is submitted. -- Anthony Baratta No storyteller has ever been able to dream up anything as fantastically unlikely as what really does happen in this mad Universe. -?Lazarus Long From sarahwbs at gmail.com Wed Oct 28 08:29:04 2009 From: sarahwbs at gmail.com (Sarah Adams) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 10:29:04 -0300 Subject: [thelist] Local path of uploaded file In-Reply-To: <3cda48880910280555k592cfe87s2b0b89ebf4c0c225@mail.gmail.com> References: <3cda48880910280555k592cfe87s2b0b89ebf4c0c225@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AE84720.2010105@gmail.com> > So I have a form that uploads a file, along with some text fields. PHP > validates the form, and returns the visitor to the form if not all > criteria are met. > The upload form is then empty. > > My question is: how do I keep the local path + file name in the type="file" /> input field? > > Google points me back in time to 2003: > http://forums.devshed.com/php-development-5/getting-the-remote-file-path-from-input-type-file-56068.html > where it should be provided by js. However, when I test it, it only > returns the original file name (same as $_FILES['userfile']['name'] ). > Actually FF returns the file name "test-file.pdf" only, IE returns > "C:\fakepath\test-file.pdf" whilst the file came from a network share. > > Does anyone have a suggestion, or provide a hyperlink to a working example? It's not possible without replacing the file input with a flash or java gadget of some sort. File inputs are read-only for security reasons. Allowing javascript access to the local file system would be very, very bad. -- sarah adams web developer & programmer http://sarah.designshift.com From Paul.Bennett at mch.govt.nz Wed Oct 28 13:54:01 2009 From: Paul.Bennett at mch.govt.nz (Paul Bennett) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 07:54:01 +1300 Subject: [thelist] Google wave invites needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Please keep Google Wave discussion off the list - I've already been through this on two other lists I belong to and I'm all "waved out" :) Paul www.mch.govt.nz - www.teara.govt.nz - www.nzhistory.net.nz - www.nzlive.com The information contained in this email message does not necessarily reflect the views of the Ministry for Culture and Heritage and may contain information that is confidential or subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient and receive this email in error: please notify the Ministry for Culture and Heritage by return email or telephone (64 4 499 4229) and delete this email; you must not use, disclose, copy or distribute this message or the information in it. PLEASE CONSIDER THE ENVIRONMENT BEFORE YOU PRINT THIS EMAIL From roel.mulder at gmail.com Wed Oct 28 15:41:18 2009 From: roel.mulder at gmail.com (Roel Mulder) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:41:18 +0100 Subject: [thelist] Local path of uploaded file In-Reply-To: <4AE84720.2010105@gmail.com> References: <3cda48880910280555k592cfe87s2b0b89ebf4c0c225@mail.gmail.com> <4AE84720.2010105@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3cda48880910281341i78fbfcean76a58cd040d6b5e0@mail.gmail.com> Thanks again all. You're right, we live with it for ages already, and it seems that we are actually stuck with it. It would be kind neat though, to not have visitor have to search for their files twice. So, of I go looking for an AJAX thingy. Cheers, Roel On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Sarah Adams wrote: >> So I have a form that uploads a file, along with some text fields. PHP >> validates the form, and returns the visitor to the form if not all >> criteria are met. >> The upload form is then empty. >> >> My question is: how do I keep the local path + file name in the > type="file" /> input field? >> >> Google points me back in time to 2003: >> http://forums.devshed.com/php-development-5/getting-the-remote-file-path-from-input-type-file-56068.html >> where it should be provided by js. However, when I test it, it only >> returns the original file name (same as $_FILES['userfile']['name'] ). >> Actually FF returns the file name "test-file.pdf" only, IE returns >> "C:\fakepath\test-file.pdf" whilst the file came from a network share. >> >> Does anyone have a suggestion, or provide a hyperlink to a working example? > > It's not possible without replacing the file input with a flash or java > gadget of some sort. File inputs are read-only for security reasons. > Allowing javascript access to the local file system would be very, very bad. > > -- > sarah adams > web developer & programmer > http://sarah.designshift.com > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. ?* * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From jimmyropes at gmail.com Wed Oct 28 17:31:46 2009 From: jimmyropes at gmail.com (James O'Donnell) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 18:31:46 -0400 Subject: [thelist] css menu problem In-Reply-To: <30A48B76DC014F0E8703BE2BD76874B8@BIRDIE> References: <30A48B76DC014F0E8703BE2BD76874B8@BIRDIE> Message-ID: <01a501ca581e$702979f0$507c6dd0$@com> Try adding this to your mainmenu css padding:0; margin:0; -----Original Message----- From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Birdie Sent: Wednesday, 28 October, 2009 06:06 To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: [thelist] css menu problem Hi, Sorry to post here, but have tried sending to the css-discuss list and its not getting through. I'm a newbie when it comes to css and positioning. I have two problems that need looking at if anyone can help. They both concern the menu bar. Page is here: http://www.koolfish.com/test/index.html Css is here: http://www.koolfish.com/test/css/mainstyles.css 1. In IE there is a gap between the red nav bar div and the gold donations div which I can not seem to eliminate. 2. Is it possible to align the the red menu items to the right in the red menu bar and if so how do I do that? On a side note, Am I correct in building the menu as a
                      ? Should my donations link be in its own
                        or is that fine just to leave as text? Why do you use a list for a menu when it's a menu and not a list? Thanks in advance. Lisa -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.31/2458 - Release Date: 10/26/09 08:10:00 From jason.handby at corestar.co.uk Wed Oct 28 06:05:40 2009 From: jason.handby at corestar.co.uk (Jason Handby) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:05:40 -0000 Subject: [thelist] Windows 7 (64-bit) In-Reply-To: References: <769907F0D19EFA45BD6F04FC6E896D6D2204B15214@GVW0538EXC.americas.hpqcorp.net> Message-ID: <9A50776858A21848A96469CDFCBCDEFF027CDAA7@exch-be12.exchange.local> > Just put the setup DVD in whilst Vista is running. > > It will recommend you run the upgrade advisor prior to performing the > upgrade. That identifies common incompatibilities/issues/apps that need > to be ugpraded. If you don't already have the Windows 7 DVD, you can download the Upgrade Advisor: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=1b544e90-7659-4 bd9-9e51-2497c146af15&displayLang=en Jason From chris.price at choctaw.co.uk Wed Oct 28 19:23:03 2009 From: chris.price at choctaw.co.uk (Chris Price) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 00:23:03 +0000 Subject: [thelist] Hidden fields don't stop spam Message-ID: Was it here that I got the idea that if you put a hidden field in your form then spammers will irresistably fill it? So if you get anything in that field, junk the form? I tried that today and have been spammed big time. I used to have a simple question 'are you a robot' and up till now they've been pretty honest. Just goes to show, robots get bad press. -- Chris Price follow me at http://twitter.com/choctaw check out http://spoonfulofdreams.co.uk From dwayne.conyers at hp.com Wed Oct 28 20:44:49 2009 From: dwayne.conyers at hp.com (Conyers, Dwayne) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 01:44:49 +0000 Subject: [thelist] Windows 7 (64-bit) In-Reply-To: References: <769907F0D19EFA45BD6F04FC6E896D6D2204B15214@GVW0538EXC.americas.hpqcorp.net> Message-ID: <769907F0D19EFA45BD6F04FC6E896D6D2204B15E06@GVW0538EXC.americas.hpqcorp.net> I basically don't want to spend days reinstalling office and other applications -- so an upgrade seems easier. Operative word -- SEEMS. I backup my system regularly though... just in case. -- The generation that took acid to escape reality is now taking antacid to deal with reality http://blog.dwacon.com http://www.twitter.com/dwacon From lee.kowalkowski at googlemail.com Thu Oct 29 04:46:55 2009 From: lee.kowalkowski at googlemail.com (Lee Kowalkowski) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 09:46:55 +0000 Subject: [thelist] Hidden fields don't stop spam In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <610592c90910290246x731b720aq8a2a34760e7a170@mail.gmail.com> 2009/10/29 Chris Price : > Was it here that I got the idea that if you put a hidden field in your form > then spammers will irresistably fill it? So if you get anything in that > field, junk the form? Yeah, I think that's been discussed on here before. You really can't rely on a single technique though, you probably need more than just a honeypot. > I tried that today and have been spammed big time. There are other measures you might want to try in parallel, you need to analyse your logs ideally, for instance, if they are not requesting your form before submitting it, put a random validated session variable (or cookie value) into a hidden field to force them to fetch your form first. A more extreme technique is to give your form fields random names - although your fields will probably appear in a constant order. If they are requesting your form before submitting it, you might like to throttle them, e.g. if you think 10 seconds is too fast to read your post, author a comment and submit it, reject any submissions that you consider too soon. You can make this user freindly by showing a countdown timer by the submit button. It's also an idea to make your rejection response look exactly like the success response if you can. -- Lee www.webdeavour.co.uk From chris.price at choctaw.co.uk Thu Oct 29 05:22:20 2009 From: chris.price at choctaw.co.uk (Chris Price) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 10:22:20 +0000 Subject: [thelist] Hidden fields don't stop spam In-Reply-To: <610592c90910290246x731b720aq8a2a34760e7a170@mail.gmail.com> References: <610592c90910290246x731b720aq8a2a34760e7a170@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks Lee that's really helpful. It was a bit of shock getting a load of spam as soon as I'd put an anti-spam measure in place. There are other measures you might want to try in parallel, you need > to analyse your logs ideally, for instance, if they are not requesting > your form before submitting it, put a random validated session > variable (or cookie value) into a hidden field to force them to fetch > your form first. A more extreme technique is to give your form fields > random names - although your fields will probably appear in a constant > order. > > If they are requesting your form before submitting it, you might like > to throttle them, e.g. if you think 10 seconds is too fast to read > your post, author a comment and submit it, reject any submissions that > you consider too soon. You can make this user freindly by showing a > countdown timer by the submit button. > > It's also an idea to make your rejection response look exactly like > the success response if you can. > > -- > Lee > www.webdeavour.co.uk > -- > -- Chris Price 0777 629 0227 follow me at http://twitter.com/choctaw check out http://spoonfulofdreams.co.uk From pturmel-webdev at turmel.org Thu Oct 29 07:15:29 2009 From: pturmel-webdev at turmel.org (Phil Turmel) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 08:15:29 -0400 Subject: [thelist] Hidden fields don't stop spam In-Reply-To: References: <610592c90910290246x731b720aq8a2a34760e7a170@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AE98761.2070407@turmel.org> Chris Price wrote: > Thanks Lee that's really helpful. > > It was a bit of shock getting a load of spam as soon as I'd put an anti-spam > measure in place. > Hi Chris, Some old threads you might be interested in... http://lists.evolt.org/archive/Week-of-Mon-20071029/192451.html http://lists.evolt.org/archive/Week-of-Mon-20080121/193331.html HTH, Phil From chris.price at choctaw.co.uk Thu Oct 29 10:38:25 2009 From: chris.price at choctaw.co.uk (Chris Price) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:38:25 +0000 Subject: [thelist] Hidden fields don't stop spam In-Reply-To: <4AE98761.2070407@turmel.org> References: <610592c90910290246x731b720aq8a2a34760e7a170@mail.gmail.com> <4AE98761.2070407@turmel.org> Message-ID: That's really useful. Thanks Phil. 2009/10/29 Phil Turmel > Chris Price wrote: > > Thanks Lee that's really helpful. > > > > It was a bit of shock getting a load of spam as soon as I'd put an > anti-spam > > measure in place. > > > > Hi Chris, > > Some old threads you might be interested in... > > http://lists.evolt.org/archive/Week-of-Mon-20071029/192451.html > http://lists.evolt.org/archive/Week-of-Mon-20080121/193331.html > > HTH, > > Phil > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > -- Chris Price 0777 629 0227 follow me at http://twitter.com/choctaw check out http://spoonfulofdreams.co.uk From JGERSTEN at lchb.com Thu Oct 29 11:37:08 2009 From: JGERSTEN at lchb.com (Gersten, John) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 09:37:08 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Hidden fields don't stop spam In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3CBA52B9335F054FB6D2E68618E018C6085894FA@sfmail01.lchb.com> Sorry if I'm a bit of a broken-record on this (er, if anyone understands that hoary metaphor these days) but if you don't need to allow visitors to send you URLs, testing for http:// and https:// and rejecting any mail containing same has reduced our form spam to zero. If you do want or need to allow visitors to send you hyperlinks, then obviously this method is not for you. > -----Original Message----- > From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org > [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Chris Price > Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 8:38 AM > To: thelist at lists.evolt.org > Subject: Re: [thelist] Hidden fields don't stop spam > > That's really useful. Thanks Phil. > > 2009/10/29 Phil Turmel > > > Chris Price wrote: > > > Thanks Lee that's really helpful. > > > > > > It was a bit of shock getting a load of spam as soon as I'd put an > > anti-spam > > > measure in place. > > > > > > > Hi Chris, > > > > Some old threads you might be interested in... > > > > http://lists.evolt.org/archive/Week-of-Mon-20071029/192451.html > > http://lists.evolt.org/archive/Week-of-Mon-20080121/193331.html > > > > HTH, > > > > Phil > > -- > > > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and > > archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers > of the Web, > > evolt ! > > > > > > -- > Chris Price > 0777 629 0227 > > follow me at http://twitter.com/choctaw > check out http://spoonfulofdreams.co.uk > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip > Harvester and archives of thelist go to: > http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From beertastic at gmail.com Thu Oct 29 12:05:43 2009 From: beertastic at gmail.com (Tris) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:05:43 +0100 Subject: [thelist] Javascript array loop issues? Message-ID: <8b20a7490910291005mf3b9d92x75fe89e7005068f@mail.gmail.com> Hi all.. Major Javascript woes today... I'm learning.. well, relearning Ajax.. I've a from that IU wanna display dynaimic errors.. Anyhoo, I've prepared an array of my errors in an array (inputId : message) I want to loop through that array, and then IF there's a message value, then echo it... For this example, i'm just echoing some alerts.. but I'm not getting any... What ROOKIE mistake am I making today? ;-p Peace and love... Tris.. ================================== From jayturley at gmail.com Thu Oct 29 12:58:44 2009 From: jayturley at gmail.com (Jay Turley) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 10:58:44 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Javascript array loop issues? In-Reply-To: <8b20a7490910291005mf3b9d92x75fe89e7005068f@mail.gmail.com> References: <8b20a7490910291005mf3b9d92x75fe89e7005068f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <309A618D-CA4A-472C-879B-4CCC8452CA4D@gmail.com> I think your problem may be that you are creating an object literal by using the braces {} instead of the brackets [] to create your array elements. Try it like this: var getErrors = [ errorName: errorMsg, ...]; Jay On Oct 29, 2009, at 10:05 AM, Tris wrote: > Hi all.. > Major Javascript woes today... > I'm learning.. well, relearning Ajax.. I've a from that IU wanna > display dynaimic errors.. > Anyhoo, I've prepared an array of my errors in an array (inputId : > message) > I want to loop through that array, and then IF there's a message > value, then echo it... > For this example, i'm just echoing some alerts.. but I'm not getting > any... > > What ROOKIE mistake am I making today? ;-p > Peace and love... > Tris.. > > ================================== > > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! From jayturley at gmail.com Thu Oct 29 13:06:01 2009 From: jayturley at gmail.com (Jay Turley) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:06:01 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Javascript array loop issues? In-Reply-To: <8b20a7490910291005mf3b9d92x75fe89e7005068f@mail.gmail.com> References: <8b20a7490910291005mf3b9d92x75fe89e7005068f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Damn! Look what I get for replying from my phone and not reading the whole message :( The problem is in your loop too. Okay, first, js arrays are not hashes, so the object literal is just fine. Take out the new Array line- you don't need it. Next, it's unclear from the loops exactly what you are trying to do. It looks like you are trying to match the keys of the getErrors to DOM elements. It would be very helpful if you can post the HTML which this is being used with, or link to a sample page. Do that and I'll be glad to look at it. On Oct 29, 2009, at 10:05 AM, Tris wrote: > Hi all.. > Major Javascript woes today... > I'm learning.. well, relearning Ajax.. I've a from that IU wanna > display dynaimic errors.. > Anyhoo, I've prepared an array of my errors in an array (inputId : > message) > I want to loop through that array, and then IF there's a message > value, then echo it... > For this example, i'm just echoing some alerts.. but I'm not getting > any... > > What ROOKIE mistake am I making today? ;-p > Peace and love... > Tris.. > > ================================== > > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! From codepo8 at gmail.com Thu Oct 29 13:07:53 2009 From: codepo8 at gmail.com (Christian Heilmann) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:07:53 +0000 Subject: [thelist] Javascript array loop issues? In-Reply-To: <309A618D-CA4A-472C-879B-4CCC8452CA4D@gmail.com> References: <8b20a7490910291005mf3b9d92x75fe89e7005068f@mail.gmail.com> <309A618D-CA4A-472C-879B-4CCC8452CA4D@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AE9D9F9.4000101@gmail.com> Jay Turley wrote: > I think your problem may be that you are creating an object literal by > using the braces {} instead of the brackets [] to create your array > elements. Try it like this: > > var getErrors = [ errorName: errorMsg, ...]; > > Jay > > > No, a "associative array" is a misnomer as in JS it is an object. You cannot loop over the properties of an object using length, what you need to do is using a for...in loop. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/921789/how-to-loop-through-javascript-object-literal-with-objects-as-members From jayturley at gmail.com Thu Oct 29 14:32:15 2009 From: jayturley at gmail.com (Jay Turley) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 12:32:15 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Javascript array loop issues? In-Reply-To: <4AE9D9F9.4000101@gmail.com> References: <8b20a7490910291005mf3b9d92x75fe89e7005068f@mail.gmail.com> <309A618D-CA4A-472C-879B-4CCC8452CA4D@gmail.com> <4AE9D9F9.4000101@gmail.com> Message-ID: <61ed1fc20910291232j3dcf9cc5mdcacf7ef0c46ddda@mail.gmail.com> Yes, as I shamefacedly pointed out in my second email (which I then screwed up as well), replying from your phone is a sure way to lower your street cred. If I were doing this, using the idea that Tris was demonstrating in her initial email, I would try something along the following lines: var getErrors = [ { errorKey: 'name', errorMsg: 'Please enter your name' }, { errorKey: 'email', errorMsg: 'Please enter your email' } ]; for ( var i=0, j=getErrors.length(); iwrote: > Jay Turley wrote: > > I think your problem may be that you are creating an object literal by > > using the braces {} instead of the brackets [] to create your array > > elements. Try it like this: > > > > var getErrors = [ errorName: errorMsg, ...]; > > > > Jay > > > > > > > No, a "associative array" is a misnomer as in JS it is an object. You > cannot loop over the properties of an object using length, what you need > to do is using a for...in loop. > > > http://stackoverflow.com/questions/921789/how-to-loop-through-javascript-object-literal-with-objects-as-members > > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From robbiesmith79 at gmail.com Thu Oct 29 14:37:26 2009 From: robbiesmith79 at gmail.com (Rob) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 14:37:26 -0500 Subject: [thelist] Downloading a Compiled CSV File without timing out Message-ID: Hi List, Long time no see, must be at least 4 years since I've helped out here. I have a unique situation where I seek your expertise. My hosting company uses a controller that monitors all php activity. If a script seems to be running for more than 30 - 60 seconds it'll will kill the script. The situation is this. The client needs to be able to download a csv version of the database sometimes with a filter applied. At first it was fine because there wasn't that much data, now the same script is taking this long because of having to compile the csv file, hense timing out. Some suggestions offered already: Use the flush route Pros: it works but the output is displayed on the browser Cons: it needs to be a csv file. I suggested that I just spit it out in a table and since they're in IE anyway, just right-click the grid and export to excel. Not gonna fly. Use exec() to call the csv build file and use Ajax to poll if done Pros: Sounds cool. bit beyond my expertise Cons: The query that gets the data can be customized by a filter who's variables are stored in a $_SESSION array. Not sure if the session would survive an exec call. Ideas? Robbie Smith Freelance Web Developer From JGERSTEN at lchb.com Thu Oct 29 15:09:56 2009 From: JGERSTEN at lchb.com (Gersten, John) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 13:09:56 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Downloading a Compiled CSV File without timing out In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3CBA52B9335F054FB6D2E68618E018C608589511@sfmail01.lchb.com> We had a similar problem a few years back, it was directly responsible for us switching hosts. It sounds like that may not be an option for you at this point, if so, sorry to be unhelpful. > -----Original Message----- > From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org > [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Rob > Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 12:37 PM > To: thelist at lists.evolt.org > Subject: [thelist] Downloading a Compiled CSV File without timing out > > Hi List, > > Long time no see, must be at least 4 years since I've helped out here. > > I have a unique situation where I seek your expertise. My > hosting company uses a controller that monitors all php > activity. If a script seems to be running for more than 30 - > 60 seconds it'll will kill the script. > > The situation is this. The client needs to be able to > download a csv version of the database sometimes with a > filter applied. At first it was fine because there wasn't > that much data, now the same script is taking this long > because of having to compile the csv file, hense timing out. > > Some suggestions offered already: > > Use the flush route > Pros: it works but the output is displayed on the browser > Cons: it needs to be a csv file. I suggested that I just spit > it out in a table and since they're in IE anyway, just > right-click the grid and export to excel. Not gonna fly. > > Use exec() to call the csv build file and use Ajax to poll if done > Pros: Sounds cool. bit beyond my expertise > Cons: The query that gets the data can be customized by a > filter who's variables are stored in a $_SESSION array. Not > sure if the session would survive an exec call. > > Ideas? > > Robbie Smith > Freelance Web Developer > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip > Harvester and archives of thelist go to: > http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From jayturley at gmail.com Thu Oct 29 14:40:32 2009 From: jayturley at gmail.com (Jay Turley) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 12:40:32 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Fwd: Javascript array loop issues? References: <61ed1fc20910291232j3dcf9cc5mdcacf7ef0c46ddda@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <01A3566E-FC1E-4F3F-A851-6164571FE1CD@gmail.com> Ever have one of those days where no matter what you write, it's wrong? Length() should be just length. Don't answer problems unless you take the time to make sure you understand both the problem AND your answer. Le sigh Begin forwarded message: > From: Jay Turley > Date: October 29, 2009 12:32:15 PM PDT > To: "thelist at lists.evolt.org" > Subject: Re: [thelist] Javascript array loop issues? > > Yes, as I shamefacedly pointed out in my second email (which I then > screwed up as well), replying from your phone is a sure way to lower > your street cred. > > If I were doing this, using the idea that Tris was demonstrating in > her initial email, I would try something along the following lines: > > > > > var getErrors = [ > { > errorKey: 'name', > errorMsg: 'Please enter your name' > }, > { > errorKey: 'email', > errorMsg: 'Please enter your email' > } > ]; > > for ( var i=0, j=getErrors.length(); i var $formElement = $('#'+getErrors[i].errorKey); > if ( $formElement.val() == '' ) { > alert(getErrors[i].errorMsg); > } > } > > or something... > > at least that looks reasonably correct in my text editor... ON MY > COMPUTER :( > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Christian Heilmann > wrote: > Jay Turley wrote: > > I think your problem may be that you are creating an object > literal by > > using the braces {} instead of the brackets [] to create your array > > elements. Try it like this: > > > > var getErrors = [ errorName: errorMsg, ...]; > > > > Jay > > > > > > > No, a "associative array" is a misnomer as in JS it is an object. You > cannot loop over the properties of an object using length, what you > need > to do is using a for...in loop. > > http://stackoverflow.com/questions/921789/how-to-loop-through-javascript-object-literal-with-objects-as-members > > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From willthemoor at gmail.com Thu Oct 29 15:36:53 2009 From: willthemoor at gmail.com (Will) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 13:36:53 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Hidden fields don't stop spam In-Reply-To: <3CBA52B9335F054FB6D2E68618E018C6085894FA@sfmail01.lchb.com> References: <3CBA52B9335F054FB6D2E68618E018C6085894FA@sfmail01.lchb.com> Message-ID: <2506fbd50910291336v52bb5fd9k114fa9b938ed94a@mail.gmail.com> the honeypot field relies on the input to hidden with css, not type="hidden". Even then, I have to return a success message for the spammers to layoff - otherwise they'll just try until they get a success message, relentless little shits that they are. at least that was my experience with a couple of honeypot forms. On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 9:37 AM, Gersten, John wrote: > Sorry if I'm a bit of a broken-record on this (er, if anyone understands > that hoary metaphor these days) but if you don't need to allow visitors > to send you URLs, testing for http:// and https:// and rejecting any > mail containing same has reduced our form spam to zero. If you do want > or need to allow visitors to send you hyperlinks, then obviously this > method is not for you. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org >> [mailto:thelist-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Chris Price >> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 8:38 AM >> To: thelist at lists.evolt.org >> Subject: Re: [thelist] Hidden fields don't stop spam >> >> That's really useful. Thanks Phil. >> >> 2009/10/29 Phil Turmel >> >> > Chris Price wrote: >> > > Thanks Lee that's really helpful. >> > > >> > > It was a bit of shock getting a load of spam as soon as I'd put an >> > anti-spam >> > > measure in place. >> > > >> > >> > Hi Chris, >> > >> > Some old threads you might be interested in... >> > >> > http://lists.evolt.org/archive/Week-of-Mon-20071029/192451.html >> > http://lists.evolt.org/archive/Week-of-Mon-20080121/193331.html >> > >> > HTH, >> > >> > Phil >> > -- >> > >> > * * Please support the community that supports you. ?* * >> > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ >> > >> > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and >> > archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers >> of the Web, >> > evolt ! >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Chris Price >> 0777 629 0227 >> >> follow me at http://twitter.com/choctaw >> check out http://spoonfulofdreams.co.uk >> -- >> >> * * Please support the community that supports you. ?* * >> http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ >> >> For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip >> Harvester and archives of thelist go to: >> http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! >> > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. ?* * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From moseley at hank.org Thu Oct 29 15:14:34 2009 From: moseley at hank.org (Bill Moseley) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 13:14:34 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Downloading a Compiled CSV File without timing out In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <16f65d000910291314v1415a6e5x584b06c114cb887d@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Rob wrote: > Hi List, > > Long time no see, must be at least 4 years since I've helped out here. > > I have a unique situation where I seek your expertise. My hosting company > uses a controller that monitors all php activity. If a script seems to be > running for more than 30 - 60 seconds it'll will kill the script. > > The situation is this. The client needs to be able to download a csv > version > of the database sometimes with a filter applied. At first it was fine > because there wasn't that much data, now the same script is taking this > long > because of having to compile the csv file, hense timing out. > What about backgrounding the task? Fork the web server and have it run the task, or queue it in the database and have cron pickup the task. Return right away to the browser providing a link they can check back later. While on that page use Ajax to test for the job to be completed and then redirect to return the CSV file. On other pages you can check the queue and display if they have any completed "jobs" and provide a link. "Your order is ready for pickup!" Tell the hosting service that you have long running tasks and leave them alone. -- Bill Moseley moseley at hank.org From fredthejonester at gmail.com Fri Oct 30 04:12:54 2009 From: fredthejonester at gmail.com (Fred Jones) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:12:54 +0200 Subject: [thelist] Do you use :visited in CSS? Message-ID: <177c0a10910300212v19b81c2ak1c418cf9678ee8a8@mail.gmail.com> Nielsen says { http://www.useit.com/alertbox/9605.html } that one of the "Top Ten Mistakes in Web Design" is "Not Changing the Color of Visited Links". Do people agree? I personally do NOT change the color of visited links because I think it's confusing to users who don't know what it means. From barney.carroll at gmail.com Fri Oct 30 04:42:11 2009 From: barney.carroll at gmail.com (Barney Carroll) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 09:42:11 +0000 Subject: [thelist] Do you use :visited in CSS? In-Reply-To: <177c0a10910300212v19b81c2ak1c418cf9678ee8a8@mail.gmail.com> References: <177c0a10910300212v19b81c2ak1c418cf9678ee8a8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <472577830910300242k4460603au17e50d1b9b02d7d6@mail.gmail.com> The problem is that unlike :hover, :focus and :active, which correspond directly to user actions, :visited is a more abstract relationship ? the connection between whatever effect you're producing to distinguish this 'state' relates to the end result of their action (in their interaction history) as opposed to the action itself (immediately, on that specific link object). Combine this with the fact that their is no de facto standard (save for the browser-defined one: purple text-colour) for illustrating this state, and it becomes very difficult to impart the intended meaning to the user. Personally, I believe that the user should be informed as to whether or not they may have visited the link destination by the link in its default state implicitly ? if they don't know that already, then it's probably because the link text is misleading, the content of the destination page was forgettable or confusing (or otherwise didn't achieve what the user perceived its function to be), or the same destination is linked to from too many different link objects with diverging link text. In other words if the user can't tell whether or not they have already visited the page described from the link's text and context alone, there is already a problem with your site. If you add non-standard stylistic descriptors for this notion, it is more likely to confuse the user as to the exact nature of the link. One has to remember that if Nielsen had his way, most of the internet would just revert to default browser styles anyway ;) Regards, Barney Carroll barney.carroll at gmail.com 07594 506 381 2009/10/30 Fred Jones > Nielsen says { http://www.useit.com/alertbox/9605.html } that one of > the "Top Ten Mistakes in Web Design" is "Not Changing the Color of > Visited Links". > > Do people agree? I personally do NOT change the color of visited links > because I think it's confusing to users who don't know what it means. > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From jolive at tinet.org Fri Oct 30 04:54:55 2009 From: jolive at tinet.org (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Joan_Oliv=E9_i_Mallafr=E8?=) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 10:54:55 +0100 Subject: [thelist] Do you use :visited in CSS? References: <177c0a10910300212v19b81c2ak1c418cf9678ee8a8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002201ca5947$08e6bd50$2201a8c0@Joan> Good day, I think it's interesting employing allways this option. In fact, averybody is adapting its mind to the web behaviour, in the sense that little by little people, in their brains "join" those standarts. Regards from Barcelona Joan Oliv? i Mallafr? Hemisfersa Solutions, SL www.hemisfera.es ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Jones" To: Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 10:12 AM Subject: [thelist] Do you use :visited in CSS? > Nielsen says { http://www.useit.com/alertbox/9605.html } that one of > the "Top Ten Mistakes in Web Design" is "Not Changing the Color of > Visited Links". > > Do people agree? I personally do NOT change the color of visited links > because I think it's confusing to users who don't know what it means. > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From lee.kowalkowski at googlemail.com Fri Oct 30 04:58:35 2009 From: lee.kowalkowski at googlemail.com (Lee Kowalkowski) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 09:58:35 +0000 Subject: [thelist] Do you use :visited in CSS? In-Reply-To: <177c0a10910300212v19b81c2ak1c418cf9678ee8a8@mail.gmail.com> References: <177c0a10910300212v19b81c2ak1c418cf9678ee8a8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <610592c90910300258q5ef824f5i4531bcf2fc994997@mail.gmail.com> 2009/10/30 Fred Jones : > Nielsen says { http://www.useit.com/alertbox/9605.html } that one of > the "Top Ten Mistakes in Web Design" is "Not Changing the Color of > Visited Links". > > Do people agree? I personally do NOT change the color of visited links > because I think it's confusing to users who don't know what it means. I'm certain he will have the evidence to back this up. I'm suprised he's not saying the links should be blue and underlined! Well, unless you're using blue and purple it's got hardly any chance of being immediately obvious which is which hasn't it? I sometimes see dashed underlines on links and chuckle to myself that it might mean they're broken. A lot of this is probably down to context, for example I wouldn't bother to distinguish between visited and non-visited links in menus & footers (thinking more in terms of a web application than an true hypertext informational web site). If you had a lengthy tutorial littered with references it is probably useful to distinguish which links the visitor had already visited, so when they return to the tutorial they can find their bearings. You may get the accessibility crowd insisting the contrast between the colours needs to be sufficient too, and also not relying on colour alone to convey information. Perhaps you could style such links to also give them some sort of visited icon rather than only changing their colour. I've no clue what such an icon would look like, or if it would be all that intuitive. -- Lee www.webdeavour.co.uk From beertastic at gmail.com Fri Oct 30 05:35:25 2009 From: beertastic at gmail.com (Tris) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 10:35:25 +0000 Subject: [thelist] Fwd: Javascript array loop issues? In-Reply-To: <01A3566E-FC1E-4F3F-A851-6164571FE1CD@gmail.com> References: <61ed1fc20910291232j3dcf9cc5mdcacf7ef0c46ddda@mail.gmail.com> <01A3566E-FC1E-4F3F-A851-6164571FE1CD@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8b20a7490910300335r59c1850bw4ae3adeef6f9c56@mail.gmail.com> Cheers all! So basically, what I'm trying to do is develop an ajax driven form checker all is working, but I am generating the error array in PHP and echoing it to the javascript. I've pasted my code below... Feel free to throw it on a PHP enabled server to see what's what.. If the $_SESSION['error'] element has a vale, I wanna do X, and if it doesn't, I wanna do Y.. anyhoo, here's the code I'm using... I'm sure I'm just being dense... Javascript aint my bag baby... ================================================ 'Who are you looking for?' `genderWhat` => 'What gender are you?', `passwordDifferent` => '', `emailRegistered` => '', `emailInvalid` => 'Invalid Email Address', `FieldsEmpty` => 'Pleace complete all fields' ); if ($_SESSION['error']) { foreach($_SESSION['error'] as $getErrorName => $getErrorText) { if ($getErrorText) $error .= $getErrorText . '
                        '; $errorArray .= '' . $getErrorName . ':"' . $getErrorText . '", '; } $errorArray = substr($errorArray, 0, -2); } ?> ============================================================= 2009/10/29 Jay Turley : > Ever have one of those days where no matter what you write, it's wrong? > > Length() should be just length. > > > Don't answer problems unless you take the time to make sure you > understand both the problem AND your answer. > > > Le sigh > > > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: Jay Turley >> Date: October 29, 2009 12:32:15 PM PDT >> To: "thelist at lists.evolt.org" >> Subject: Re: [thelist] Javascript array loop issues? >> > >> Yes, as I shamefacedly pointed out in my second email (which I then >> screwed up as well), replying from your phone is a sure way to lower >> your street cred. >> >> If I were doing this, using the idea that Tris was demonstrating in >> her initial email, I would try something along the following lines: >> >> >> >> >> var getErrors = [ >> ?{ >> ? errorKey: 'name', >> ? errorMsg: 'Please enter your name' >> ?}, >> ?{ >> ? errorKey: 'email', >> ? errorMsg: 'Please enter your email' >> ?} >> ]; >> >> for ( var i=0, j=getErrors.length(); i> ?var $formElement = $('#'+getErrors[i].errorKey); >> ?if ( $formElement.val() == '' ) { >> ? alert(getErrors[i].errorMsg); >> ?} >> } >> >> or something... >> >> at least that looks reasonably correct in my text editor... ON MY >> COMPUTER :( >> >> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Christian Heilmann > > wrote: >> Jay Turley wrote: >> > I think your problem may be that you are creating an object >> literal by >> > using the braces {} instead of the brackets [] to create your array >> > elements. Try it like this: >> > >> > var getErrors = [ errorName: errorMsg, ...]; >> > >> > Jay >> > >> > >> > >> No, a "associative array" is a misnomer as in JS it is an object. You >> cannot loop over the properties of an object using length, what you >> need >> to do is using a for...in loop. >> >> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/921789/how-to-loop-through-javascript-object-literal-with-objects-as-members >> >> >> -- >> >> * * Please support the community that supports you. ?* * >> http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ >> >> For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester >> and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org >> Workers of the Web, evolt ! >> > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. ?* * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > -- ========================== "The only people who don't make mistakes are those who don't do anything" Give a man a fish and he'll feed himself for a day. Give a man a religion and he'll starve to death praying for a fish. Anon `We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful what we pretend to be.` Kurt Vonnegut `When a person can no longer laugh at himself, it is time for others to laugh at him.` Thomas Szasz From bird at koolfish.com Fri Oct 30 08:19:42 2009 From: bird at koolfish.com (Birdie) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 21:19:42 +0800 Subject: [thelist] testing older verions of IE for css (was css menu problem) In-Reply-To: <0C6EB8DBFD7940D3AFA7326234B105EE@nancyb0bda4ba6> References: <30A48B76DC014F0E8703BE2BD76874B8@BIRDIE> <0C6EB8DBFD7940D3AFA7326234B105EE@nancyb0bda4ba6> Message-ID: "The reason IE screws up is because it interprets elements differently. Read this article: http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200612/internet_explorer_and_the_css_b ox_model/ I use suggestion 3, conditional comments for all websites that I create now. You can tweak the CSS for each version of IE, since they all suck in different ways. " Do the majority of you do this? I mean do you still test on 5.5 and lower for IE for websites that do not target a specific audience and could be viewed by anyone? Lisa From barney.carroll at gmail.com Fri Oct 30 08:46:19 2009 From: barney.carroll at gmail.com (Barney Carroll) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:46:19 +0000 Subject: [thelist] testing older verions of IE for css (was css menu problem) In-Reply-To: References: <30A48B76DC014F0E8703BE2BD76874B8@BIRDIE> <0C6EB8DBFD7940D3AFA7326234B105EE@nancyb0bda4ba6> Message-ID: <472577830910300646g1037095bn193053139fa044bd@mail.gmail.com> No way. IE6 is still has a regrettably significant market share and requires testing for responsible universal web design. IE5.5 can go (and for the most part has gone) to hell. I work with firebug and like to keep all the CSS for any given element in one place and one rule where possible, so I use hacked CSS per-property, eg: selector { property: regular value; _property: ie6 value; *property: ie7+ value; } I personally find this is much better for my workflow. Whenever a problem arises in any browser I know exactly where to look. Likewise for the 10+ other people who may need to edit my code down the line will see the code where it works. Commenting each line, eg _property: value; /* ie6-specific value */ may also help for master files depending on how educated the rest of your team is. I have a peeve with conditional comments in that you need to edit code in what are technically comments in your actual markup to fix any given problem, which in my mind is not the way to resolve a styling bug. This way I end up with invalid CSS, but I have one file, one http request for each user, and everything in one place. Regards, Barney Carroll barney.carroll at gmail.com 07594 506 381 2009/10/30 Birdie > > "The reason IE screws up is because it interprets elements differently. > Read this article: > > > http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200612/internet_explorer_and_the_css_b > ox_model/ > > I use suggestion 3, conditional comments for all websites that I create > now. > You can tweak the CSS for each version of IE, since they all suck in > different ways. " > > Do the majority of you do this? > I mean do you still test on 5.5 and lower for IE for websites that do not > target a specific audience and could be viewed by anyone? > > Lisa > > > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From beertastic at gmail.com Fri Oct 30 09:38:48 2009 From: beertastic at gmail.com (Tris) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:38:48 +0100 Subject: [thelist] Question about ajax loaded pages, and the parent javascripts... Message-ID: <8b20a7490910300738y3d4b88f8s4fd796fc4b962fac@mail.gmail.com> I'm creating an ajax heavy site. I've got a main page layout with lots of divs header menu mainbody footer etc etc... Within the body, I'm listing search results, and each each result is a loaded instance of another file. I want to use this for each search result: http://www.netzgesta.de/instant/ I've included the script file in the MAin layout structure as loading each time in the picture div is too slow. The reason I'm loading the pic in a seperate div/page is cause eventually, I will use multiple images down the line.. My div heirachry is this: mainbody DIV > main area container DIV >> search result DIV >>> image DIV each div loads it's own php page. anyhoo... basically, the class I'm asigning to the image in the final div, does not pick up the javascript inclided in the main page layout. Anyone know why that might be? Peace and love.. Tris... -- ========================== "The only people who don't make mistakes are those who don't do anything" Give a man a fish and he'll feed himself for a day. Give a man a religion and he'll starve to death praying for a fish. Anon `We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful what we pretend to be.` Kurt Vonnegut `When a person can no longer laugh at himself, it is time for others to laugh at him.` Thomas Szasz From joel at bizba6.com Fri Oct 30 10:32:40 2009 From: joel at bizba6.com (Joel Canfield) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:32:40 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Do you use :visited in CSS? In-Reply-To: <177c0a10910300212v19b81c2ak1c418cf9678ee8a8@mail.gmail.com> References: <177c0a10910300212v19b81c2ak1c418cf9678ee8a8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <619d00930910300832i15a11c2ar7f5d3b3c79800977@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 2:12 AM, Fred Jones wrote: > Nielsen says { http://www.useit.com/alertbox/9605.html } that one of > the "Top Ten Mistakes in Web Design" is "Not Changing the Color of > Visited Links". > > Do people agree? I personally do NOT change the color of visited links > because I think it's confusing to users who don't know what it means. I never have a visited state in my navigation, which is usually just fancied up links. I'm hoping folks can figure out they've been to that page, and the navigation is sometimes a part of the look and feel of the site. Dunno; might talk myself into changing on this one. Links in the text, I always have a visited state. Usually a subtle, but to my middling vision obvious, color shift. Sometimes I leave the link color but drop the underline, if my fresh links are underlined. But, yeah, in the text, I always go for some indication of visited links. And I'm confused/annoyed when a site I visit doesn't do so. joel From mrmazda at earthlink.net Fri Oct 30 07:08:34 2009 From: mrmazda at earthlink.net (Felix Miata) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:08:34 -0400 Subject: [thelist] Do you use :visited in CSS? In-Reply-To: <177c0a10910300212v19b81c2ak1c418cf9678ee8a8@mail.gmail.com> References: <177c0a10910300212v19b81c2ak1c418cf9678ee8a8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AEAD742.4040802@earthlink.net> On 2009/10/30 11:12 (GMT+0200) Fred Jones composed: > Nielsen says { http://www.useit.com/alertbox/9605.html } that one of > the "Top Ten Mistakes in Web Design" is "Not Changing the Color of > Visited Links". > Do people agree? I personally do NOT change the color of visited links > because I think it's confusing to users who don't know what it means. I think the only reason visitors don't know what it means is that too many sites don't change color of visited links. It seems modern sites more often than not don't do it. Nevertheless, I agree 100% with Nielsen on this. -- " A patriot without religion . . . is as great a paradox, as an honest man without the fear of God. . . . 2nd U.S. President, John Adams Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ From bobm at dottedi.biz Fri Oct 30 10:46:30 2009 From: bobm at dottedi.biz (Bob Meetin) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 09:46:30 -0600 Subject: [thelist] testing older verions of IE for css (was css menu problem) In-Reply-To: <472577830910300646g1037095bn193053139fa044bd@mail.gmail.com> References: <30A48B76DC014F0E8703BE2BD76874B8@BIRDIE> <0C6EB8DBFD7940D3AFA7326234B105EE@nancyb0bda4ba6> <472577830910300646g1037095bn193053139fa044bd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AEB0A56.5060207@dottedi.biz> Barney Carroll wrote: > No way. IE6 is still has a regrettably significant market share and requires > testing for responsible universal web design. IE5.5 can go (and for the > most part has gone) to hell. > > I work with firebug and like to keep all the CSS for any given element in > one place and one rule where possible, so I use hacked CSS per-property, eg: > > selector { > property: regular value; > _property: ie6 value; > *property: ie7+ value; > } > Barney could you expand on this? I currently use either an IE if statement with the CSS in the header if it is really minimal, one or two lines - and if larger, an IF statement that includes an IE specific stylesheet, such as ie6.css. Anything that is more efficient works for me, ideally I would "dump" all the IE stuff into a single stylesheet along with the IF/ELSE stuff as well. -Bob From barney.carroll at gmail.com Fri Oct 30 11:09:31 2009 From: barney.carroll at gmail.com (Barney Carroll) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:09:31 +0000 Subject: [thelist] testing older verions of IE for css (was css menu problem) In-Reply-To: <4AEB0A56.5060207@dottedi.biz> References: <30A48B76DC014F0E8703BE2BD76874B8@BIRDIE> <0C6EB8DBFD7940D3AFA7326234B105EE@nancyb0bda4ba6> <472577830910300646g1037095bn193053139fa044bd@mail.gmail.com> <4AEB0A56.5060207@dottedi.biz> Message-ID: <472577830910300909t4625798dnf0e19f89d53496fd@mail.gmail.com> [NB: I described the hack bacdly in my previous email. Please follow link for a proper explanation] Hiya Bob, The advantage of this method is that when you need to test, debug, edit or re-write parts of your CSS, you don't have to look in 2 or 3 different CSS files and the head of the html itself to see exactly what's affecting any given element in all browsers. The idea is that in a given CSS rule, a valid CSS property is given (the one that works on most browsers). Then if IE needs a separate value you supply it in a format only it understands. Then if IE6 needs another value, you give it in a way only IT understands, etc. There are methods of isolating plenty of browsers (including webkit and ie5.5) using entirely in-CSS code. The theory is nicely explained and exampled in this article: http://www.ejeliot.com/blog/63 Regards, Barney Carroll barney.carroll at gmail.com 07594 506 381 2009/10/30 Bob Meetin > Barney Carroll wrote: > > No way. IE6 is still has a regrettably significant market share and > requires > > testing for responsible universal web design. IE5.5 can go (and for the > > most part has gone) to hell. > > > > I work with firebug and like to keep all the CSS for any given element in > > one place and one rule where possible, so I use hacked CSS per-property, > eg: > > > > selector { > > property: regular value; > > _property: ie6 value; > > *property: ie7+ value; > > } > > > Barney could you expand on this? I currently use either an IE if > statement with the CSS in the header if it is really minimal, one or two > lines - and if larger, an IF statement that includes an IE specific > stylesheet, such as ie6.css. Anything that is more efficient works for > me, ideally I would "dump" all the IE stuff into a single stylesheet > along with the IF/ELSE stuff as well. -Bob > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From simonmacdonald at uk2.net Sat Oct 31 13:45:35 2009 From: simonmacdonald at uk2.net (Simon MacDonald) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:45:35 -0000 Subject: [thelist] Windows 7 (64-bit) Message-ID: I've upgraded Vista 32 bit to W7 Ultimate on my HP pavillion - I also did not have the time to do a clean install - I just wanted rid of Vista - went smoothly. No probs with any software apart from the Verisign finger print reader which I had to un-install - no loss, never use it. Run the upgrade advisor first. I intend to do a 64bit clean install when I have more time (300-odd bits of software to re-install!). i'm told I'll have to get MS to re-activate the 64 bit as I previously have activated the 32bit. My laptop seems have been re-born in terms of speed and usability - no more Not Responding, apart from in Outlook occasionally. regards Simon From willthemoor at gmail.com Sat Oct 31 13:51:57 2009 From: willthemoor at gmail.com (Will) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:51:57 -0700 Subject: [thelist] Question about ajax loaded pages, and the parent javascripts... In-Reply-To: <8b20a7490910300738y3d4b88f8s4fd796fc4b962fac@mail.gmail.com> References: <8b20a7490910300738y3d4b88f8s4fd796fc4b962fac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2506fbd50910311151x1f1c7aa0s8bcc1bf86f486cb6@mail.gmail.com> I didn't actually look at the script so I could be off here... that script likely scans the DOM when it's loaded and attaches its magic at that point. When you load something in via AJAX, it doesn't know that it's there because it only does its attaching once: when the dom is loaded. When you load something into the dom with ajax, reinitialize your photo script after it's loaded, preferably via some sort of callback. all should work again. Wil On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 7:38 AM, Tris wrote: > I'm creating an ajax heavy site. > I've got a main page layout with lots of divs > header > menu > mainbody > footer > etc etc... > > Within the body, I'm listing search results, and each each result is a > loaded instance of another file. > I want to use this for each search result: > http://www.netzgesta.de/instant/ > > I've included the script file in the MAin layout structure as loading > each time in the picture div is too slow. > The reason I'm loading the pic in a seperate div/page is cause > eventually, I will use multiple images down the line.. > > My div heirachry is this: > mainbody DIV >> main area container DIV >>> search result DIV >>>> image DIV > each div loads it's own php page. > > anyhoo... > basically, the class I'm asigning to the image in the final div, does > not pick up the javascript inclided in the main page layout. > > Anyone know why that might be? > > Peace and love.. > Tris... > > -- > > > ========================== > > "The only people who don't make mistakes are those who don't do anything" > > Give a man a fish and he'll feed himself for a day. > Give a man a religion and he'll starve to death praying for a fish. > Anon > > `We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful what we pretend to be.` > Kurt Vonnegut > > `When a person can no longer laugh at himself, it is time for others > to laugh at him.` > Thomas Szasz > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. ?* * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From dwayne.conyers at hp.com Sun Nov 1 13:12:00 2009 From: dwayne.conyers at hp.com (Conyers, Dwayne) Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 19:12:00 +0000 Subject: [thelist] Windows 7 (64-bit) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <769907F0D19EFA45BD6F04FC6E896D6D2204BE57FA@GVW0538EXC.americas.hpqcorp.net> Thanks to Simon and others for the great tips. Will probably do an upgrade to avoid having to install and key and activate all of my software. Keeping fingers crossed! -- The generation that took acid to escape reality is now taking antacid to deal with reality http://blog.dwacon.com http://www.twitter.com/dwacon From jft at worrigee.net Sun Nov 1 15:18:13 2009 From: jft at worrigee.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?jft?=) Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 07:18:13 +1000 Subject: [thelist] =?iso-8859-1?q?Downloading_a_Compiled_CSV_File_without_?= =?iso-8859-1?q?timing_out?= Message-ID: <20091101211813.30737.qmail@s419.sureserver.com> Rob, Is it the ISP or PHP setting the timeout? Have a look at: http://au2.php.net/set-time-limit HTH John > -------Original Message------- > From: Rob > Subject: [thelist] Downloading a Compiled CSV File without timing out > Sent: 30 Oct '09 05:37 > > Hi List, > > Long time no see, must be at least 4 years since I've helped out here. > > I have a unique situation where I seek your expertise. My hosting company > uses a controller that monitors all php activity. If a script seems to be > running for more than 30 - 60 seconds it'll will kill the script. > > The situation is this. The client needs to be able to download a csv version > of the database sometimes with a filter applied. At first it was fine > because there wasn't that much data, now the same script is taking this long > because of having to compile the csv file, hense timing out. > > Some suggestions offered already: > > Use the flush route > Pros: it works but the output is displayed on the browser > Cons: it needs to be a csv file. I suggested that I just spit it out in a > table and since they're in IE anyway, just right-click the grid and export > to excel. Not gonna fly. > > Use exec() to call the csv build file and use Ajax to poll if done > Pros: Sounds cool. bit beyond my expertise > Cons: The query that gets the data can be customized by a filter who's > variables are stored in a $_SESSION array. Not sure if the session would > survive an exec call. > > Ideas? > > Robbie Smith > Freelance Web Developer > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you.??* * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From jft at worrigee.net Sun Nov 1 15:11:52 2009 From: jft at worrigee.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?jft?=) Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 07:11:52 +1000 Subject: [thelist] =?iso-8859-1?q?Downloading_a_Compiled_CSV_File_without_?= =?iso-8859-1?q?timing_out?= Message-ID: <20091101211152.27600.qmail@s419.sureserver.com> Have you tried: http://au2.php.net/set-time-limit HTH John > -------Original Message------- > From: Rob > Subject: [thelist] Downloading a Compiled CSV File without timing out > Sent: 30 Oct '09 05:37 > > Hi List, > > Long time no see, must be at least 4 years since I've helped out here. > > I have a unique situation where I seek your expertise. My hosting company > uses a controller that monitors all php activity. If a script seems to be > running for more than 30 - 60 seconds it'll will kill the script. > > The situation is this. The client needs to be able to download a csv version > of the database sometimes with a filter applied. At first it was fine > because there wasn't that much data, now the same script is taking this long > because of having to compile the csv file, hense timing out. > > Some suggestions offered already: > > Use the flush route > Pros: it works but the output is displayed on the browser > Cons: it needs to be a csv file. I suggested that I just spit it out in a > table and since they're in IE anyway, just right-click the grid and export > to excel. Not gonna fly. > > Use exec() to call the csv build file and use Ajax to poll if done > Pros: Sounds cool. bit beyond my expertise > Cons: The query that gets the data can be customized by a filter who's > variables are stored in a $_SESSION array. Not sure if the session would > survive an exec call. > > Ideas? > > Robbie Smith > Freelance Web Developer > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you.??* * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From don at pasewark.com Sun Nov 1 17:15:14 2009 From: don at pasewark.com (Donald Pasewark) Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 15:15:14 -0800 Subject: [thelist] I need a little CSS Help Message-ID: I need some HTNML/CSS help in torubleshooting a small problem. I have a test page up here: http://www.pasewark.com/advisein/ The index page looks as expected EXCEPT the cell background color #5e997f is not showing up behind the text that starts with Advise-In Solutions Home in Firefox. The code look right, any suggestions? Thanks! Don ______________________ Donald Pasewark don at pasewark.com www.pasewark.com 707.789.9960 studio 707.364.3437 cell From david at chelseacreekstudio.com Sun Nov 1 19:00:43 2009 From: david at chelseacreekstudio.com (David Laakso) Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2009 20:00:43 -0500 Subject: [thelist] I need a little CSS Help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4AEE2F3B.4030705@chelseacreekstudio.com> Donald Pasewark wrote: > I need some HTNML/CSS help in torubleshooting a small problem. > > I have a test page up here: > > http://www.pasewark.com/advisein/ > > The index page looks as expected EXCEPT the cell background color > #5e997f is not showing up behind the text that starts with Advise-In > Solutions Home in Firefox. The code look right, any suggestions? > Thanks! > > Don > > Does validating the markup make any difference? ~d From tor.cromwell at yahoo.co.uk Sun Nov 1 19:37:05 2009 From: tor.cromwell at yahoo.co.uk (Tor Cromwell) Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 01:37:05 +0000 Subject: [thelist] I need a little CSS Help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4AEE37C1.7060506@yahoo.co.uk> it says bgcolor="5e997f" you forgot the hash TC Donald Pasewark wrote: > I need some HTNML/CSS help in torubleshooting a small problem. > > I have a test page up here: > > http://www.pasewark.com/advisein/ > > The index page looks as expected EXCEPT the cell background color > #5e997f is not showing up behind the text that starts with Advise-In > Solutions Home in Firefox. The code look right, any suggestions? > Thanks! > > Don > > > ______________________ > Donald Pasewark > don at pasewark.com > www.pasewark.com > 707.789.9960 studio > 707.364.3437 cell > From cervantes_vive at yahoo.com Sun Nov 1 20:06:01 2009 From: cervantes_vive at yahoo.com (ivo) Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 18:06:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [thelist] I need a little CSS Help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <557487.75384.qm@web65606.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Looks like you are missing the # sign in the bgcolor attribute.
                        ... bgcolor="#5e997f" ... ----- Original Message ---- > From: Donald Pasewark > To: thelist at lists.evolt.org > Sent: Sun, November 1, 2009 3:15:14 PM > Subject: [thelist] I need a little CSS Help > > I need some HTNML/CSS help in torubleshooting a small problem. > > I have a test page up here: > > http://www.pasewark.com/advisein/ > > The index page looks as expected EXCEPT the cell background color > #5e997f is not showing up behind the text that starts with Advise-In > Solutions Home in Firefox. The code look right, any suggestions? > Thanks! > > Don > > > ______________________ > Donald Pasewark > don at pasewark.com > www.pasewark.com > 707.789.9960 studio > 707.364.3437 cell > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! From julian.rickards at gmail.com Sun Nov 1 19:09:04 2009 From: julian.rickards at gmail.com (Julian Rickards) Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 20:09:04 -0500 Subject: [thelist] I need a little CSS Help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7613e9690911011709t44960200vd2f35ba54d16125b@mail.gmail.com> You've got a mixture of HTML presentational attributes ( > I need some HTNML/CSS help in torubleshooting a small problem. > > I have a test page up here: > > http://www.pasewark.com/advisein/ > > The index page looks as expected EXCEPT the cell background color > #5e997f is not showing up behind the text that starts with Advise-In > Solutions Home in Firefox. The code look right, any suggestions? > Thanks! > > Don > > > ______________________ > Donald Pasewark > don at pasewark.com > www.pasewark.com > 707.789.9960 studio > 707.364.3437 cell > > -- > > * * Please support the community that supports you. * * > http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester > and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org > Workers of the Web, evolt ! > -- E-mail: julian dot rickards at gmail dot com