From elfur at elfur.is Sun Dec 14 17:40:08 2003 From: elfur at elfur.is (Elfur Logadottir) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:40:08 -0000 Subject: [DesDev] Fw: from the [active] treasurer (was: Re: [thelist] Not a Mini-rant, a Maxi-rant) Message-ID: <021801c3c269$517d0bd0$f301a8c0@DWARFS> ----- Original Message ----- From: Emma | Could you please display a "last updated" date for the donation bar? | If/when I donate more money I'd like to know if the bar includes my donation or | not. that is actually a good idea, can we do that? thanks elfur From martin at easyweb.co.uk Sun Dec 14 11:06:42 2003 From: martin at easyweb.co.uk (Martin Burns) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 11:06:42 +0000 Subject: [DesDev] Re: [Content] Re: Mail Alert! - Fri Dec 12 - 60431 - Reply In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <99438234-2E25-11D8-80AA-000A9570A2C0@easyweb.co.uk> On 13 Dec 2003, at 17:42, Jonatan wrote: > (Hmm. I copied-and-pasted from the web page. Safari turns the " " > into a literal "\xA0" character. This seems to cause your > form-handling script to choke, and cut off the rest of the text.) Aha - that might explain a few of the recent incomplete submissions we've been having lately. Cheers Martin -- Now playing on iTunes: "Had She Been Aye" by Ivan Drever from 'Every Breaking Heart' From martin at easyweb.co.uk Wed Dec 17 10:10:37 2003 From: martin at easyweb.co.uk (Martin Burns) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 10:10:37 +0000 Subject: [DesDev] "No-answer" functionality debate - summary to date Message-ID: <42646CAC-3079-11D8-B865-000A959F6A30@easyweb.co.uk> Sending this to desdev as Content doesn't have open archives=19. As it=20= impacts development effort, it's probably right that desdev be in on=20 the conversation, rather than just desdev members who happen to be on=20 Content. We're have an ongoing conversation in Content about a bit of=20 functionality. The Contact Us functionality has a function to close a contact without=20= sending an answer. This is useful for spam, and for random crap=20 contacts (like the one we got the other day whose entire message was=20 "Wuz up?"). Currently, this is only available to godmins, who are presently Jeff=20 and Adrian. As Adrian is about to disappear off to Spain for a few=20 weeks, it leaves us with one (very busy) person able to do the=20 necessary. This is of course the single point of failure/under a bus=20 scenario. While thinking about this, some Content people came to the opinion that=20= this would generally be useful functionality for all content admins to=20= have as it's relatively low-risk. Now the debate is because Jeff has the following (not unreasonable)=20 concerns: 1) The tool may get used inappropriately, particularly as a way of=20 avoiding thinking of an answer to a contact 2) There is dev time involved in changing the rights to enable the=20 admin role to use it, testing etc. 3) There's a risk that opening this functionality will lead to a demand=20= for *all* CMS setup and management functions to be opened to pretty=20 much anyone who signs up to the Content list. Cheers Martin -- Now playing on iTunes: "Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas" by The=20= Pretenders from 'Christmas Hits' - a hit from way back in 1987=20= From garrett at polytechnic.co.uk Wed Dec 17 10:41:16 2003 From: garrett at polytechnic.co.uk (Garrett Coakley) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 10:41:16 +0000 Subject: [DesDev] Re: [C******] "No-answer" functionality debate - summary to date In-Reply-To: <42646CAC-3079-11D8-B865-000A959F6A30@easyweb.co.uk> References: <42646CAC-3079-11D8-B865-000A959F6A30@easyweb.co.uk> Message-ID: <20031217104116.GL7666@leon> On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 10:10:37AM +0000, Martin Burns wrote: > 3) There's a risk that opening this functionality will lead to a demand > for *all* CMS setup and management functions to be opened to pretty > much anyone who signs up to the Content list. Levels of administration control aren't denoted by list subscription status and neither should they be. Giving the current content discussion as an example, we have two godmins on content, not everyone on content is a godmin. This is why fine grained ACL's and workflow are needed. G. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Work : http://www.gencon.co.uk & http://spiked.co.uk Play : http://polytechnic.co.uk Learn : http://evolt.org From jeff at jeffhowden.com Wed Dec 17 11:09:40 2003 From: jeff at jeffhowden.com (Jeff Howden) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 03:09:40 -0800 Subject: [DesDev] Re: [C******] "No-answer" functionality debate - summary todate In-Reply-To: <20031217104116.GL7666@leon> Message-ID: garrett, ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > From: Garrett Coakley > > > 3) There's a risk that opening this functionality will > > lead to a demand for *all* CMS setup and management > > functions to be opened to pretty much anyone who > > signs up to the Content list. > > Levels of administration control aren't denoted by list > subscription status and neither should they be. Giving > the current content discussion as an example, we have > two godmins on content, not everyone on content is a > godmin. > > This is why fine grained ACL's and workflow are needed. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< sure, but that's not the point of the current topic of discussion. i'm sure we all have ideas about how to make the cms better. instead, we're looking for input on the current issue of enabling the "no-response" capability for regular content editors. .jeff ------------------------------------------------------ Jeff Howden - Web Application Specialist Resume - http://jeffhowden.com/about/resume/ Code Library - http://evolt.jeffhowden.com/jeff/code/ From joel at spinhead.com Wed Dec 17 15:35:10 2003 From: joel at spinhead.com (Joel D Canfield) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 07:35:10 -0800 Subject: [DesDev] RE: [Content] "No-answer" functionality debate - summary to date Message-ID: <72E9FAA171D63B48AAC707C72900E6B47468@ireland.spinhead.com> > 1) The tool may get used inappropriately, particularly as a way of=20 > avoiding thinking of an answer to a contact Nonsense. Point to one single person we're considering giving this ability to who would even *think* of doing that. Even if you *could* - look at the worst case scenario - a contact is deleted instead of answered. *This* is earth-shatteringly dangerous? *This* is more subject to abuse than, for instance, my ability to go to any article, willy nilly, and edit it, deny it, approve it when it's trash? So, I have the ability to take the first article on the home page and trash it, but I can't remove a contact from the queue without sending a response to the submitter.=20 > 2) There is dev time involved in changing the rights to enable the=20 > admin role to use it, testing etc. Absolutely right, and the one single valid point I've *ever* heard on this side of the subject. It still ain't a showstopper. > 3) There's a risk that opening this functionality will lead=20 > to a demand=20 > for *all* CMS setup and management functions to be opened to pretty=20 > much anyone who signs up to the Content list. And, case by case, if nonGodmins need the abilities to perform their functions, it should be discussed. There's no indication whatsoever that allowing one simple functionality will cause some pavlovian machiavellian response in a group who have, I believe, proven to be extraordinarily intelligent, ethical, and reasonable. We're not talking about giving handguns to children here. I've watched this drag on and on, astonished at the brouhaha. A crap contact is in the queue, an admin removes it. It *is* that simple. If we can't be trusted to do *that* right, take away our other access 'cause we can't be trusted, period. joel From garrett at polytechnic.co.uk Wed Dec 24 12:44:13 2003 From: garrett at polytechnic.co.uk (Garrett Coakley) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 12:44:13 +0000 Subject: [DesDev] No-mailing Message-ID: <20031224124413.GI1026@leon> Hi all, Well we're about to pack up work and hit the mulled wine, so I'll be no-mailng myself until the 28th. Hope everyone has a great xmas. G. "+ingle Bells" -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Work : http://www.gencon.co.uk & http://spiked.co.uk Play : http://polytechnic.co.uk Learn : http://evolt.org