From rudy937 at rogers.com Mon Jul 7 23:49:34 2003 From: rudy937 at rogers.com (rudy) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 18:49:34 -0400 Subject: [DesDev] sidebar blows up Message-ID: <010801c344da$86b2cd10$7f609c18@r9373j4yqbe8dy> something's blowing up the sidebar and i think it's a long email address in one of the admin contacts, specifically Adrian Lovell's could someone (.jeff?) do the ellipsis magic on it? no hurry whatsoever rudy From dmah at shaw.ca Tue Jul 15 15:45:39 2003 From: dmah at shaw.ca (Dean Mah) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 08:45:39 -0600 Subject: [DesDev] members.evolt.org link Message-ID: <20030715144539.GA2537@alice.cg.shawcable.net> Since members.evolt.org doesn't really exist anymore, I think that any links to that site should be removed. For instance, the link in the top-right navigation list. I have removed the links from the e.o sites hosted on the raq. If I missed any, please let me know. Dean From seb at poked.org Fri Jul 18 11:37:50 2003 From: seb at poked.org (Seb) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 11:37:50 +0100 Subject: [DesDev] evolt, internationalisation, dates Message-ID: Hi all, Is there any overriding technical reason that WEO uses American date formats? Can we please change to a non-locale based date format such as 06 Jul 2003 instead of the incredibly ambiguous and confusing 07/06/2003 I will be happy to do this work if necessary, just point me in the right direction. - seb -- http://poked.org From rudy937 at rogers.com Fri Jul 18 11:55:59 2003 From: rudy937 at rogers.com (rudy) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 06:55:59 -0400 Subject: [DesDev] evolt, internationalisation, dates References: Message-ID: <009501c34d1b$2db99a60$7f609c18@r9373j4yqbe8dy> > Can we please change to a non-locale based date format such as 06 > Jul 2003 instead of the incredibly ambiguous and confusing 07/06/2003 bravo, and good luck i prefer the ISO standard 2003-07-06 because "Jul" is english, but that's a quibble From seb at poked.org Fri Jul 18 12:00:34 2003 From: seb at poked.org (Seb) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 12:00:34 +0100 Subject: [DesDev] evolt, internationalisation, dates In-Reply-To: <009501c34d1b$2db99a60$7f609c18@r9373j4yqbe8dy> References: <009501c34d1b$2db99a60$7f609c18@r9373j4yqbe8dy> Message-ID: >> Can we please change to a non-locale based date format such as 06 >> Jul 2003 instead of the incredibly ambiguous and confusing 07/06/2003 > > bravo, and good luck > > i prefer the ISO standard 2003-07-06 because "Jul" is english, but that's > a > quibble Yeah, oops. Brain still not fully engaged between 1st and 2nd coffee of day, that's about what I was aiming for. Anyways, more opinions? - seb -- http://poked.org From neuro at well.com Fri Jul 18 12:55:19 2003 From: neuro at well.com (William Anderson) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 12:55:19 +0100 Subject: [DesDev] evolt, internationalisation, dates References: <009501c34d1b$2db99a60$7f609c18@r9373j4yqbe8dy> Message-ID: <01c301c34d23$76edb5b0$c902a8c0@local.zensoft.net> rudy wrote: > > Can we please change to a non-locale based date format such as 06 > > Jul 2003 instead of the incredibly ambiguous and confusing 07/06/2003 > > bravo, and good luck > > i prefer the ISO standard 2003-07-06 because "Jul" is english, but > that's a quibble +1 - i maintain a lot of the backoffice stuff for my employer, and my defacto date system is ISO YYYY-MM-DD, as it's totally unambiguous as to what is what, and as Rudy points out, doesn't have i18n probs either :) -- _ __/| ___ ___ __ _________ "When Microsoft Office is your only hammer, \`O_o' / _ \/ -_) // / __/ _ \ pretty much everything begins to look like =(_ _)=/_//_/\__/\_,_/_/ \___/ a nail. Or a thumb." -- Rob Pegoraro U - Ack! Phttpt! Thhbbt! neuro at well dot com http://neuro.me.uk/ From martin at easyweb.co.uk Wed Jul 23 15:22:51 2003 From: martin at easyweb.co.uk (Martin Burns) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 15:22:51 +0100 Subject: [DesDev] Fwd: [Content] d.e.o. link submission [FAILED INSERT] Message-ID: <2476B9F2-BD19-11D7-A8EA-000A959F6A30@easyweb.co.uk> Getting a few failed inserts... Begin forwarded message: > From: ms883012 > Date: Wed Jul 23, 2003 2:57:33 pm Europe/London > To: content@lists.evolt.org > Subject: [Content] d.e.o. link submission [FAILED INSERT] > Reply-To: content@lists.evolt.org > X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=3.5 > tests=AWL,BAYES_20,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR, > SEARCH_ENGINE_PROMO,SEMIFORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD version=2.55 > X-Spam-Level: ** > > > ms883012 has just submitted a link to the evolt directory, but the > entry could not be inserted. > > This is what they sent: > > Categories: ASP and Flash and Flash ActionScript and Flash Design > Techniques and MySQL and Perl and PHP > Title: bookmarklet - evolt.org Web Design Directory > URL: http://scorpius.spaceports.com/~ms883012/info/bookmarklet > Description: > Author: ms883012 > Email: mobius12@hotmail.com > > The SQL statements needed to insert and approve this entry is given > below: > > INSERT INTO Links > (Url,LinkName,Description,SubmitName,SubmitEmail,SubmitDate,Approved,Im > portant) values > ('http://scorpius.spaceports.com/~ms883012/info/ > bookmarklet','bookmarklet - evolt.org Web Design > Directory','','ms883012','mobius12@hotmail.com',1058968653,'1','0') > INSERT INTO LinkCats (LinkID,CatID) values ('[LINK_ID]','37') > INSERT INTO LinkCats (LinkID,CatID) values ('[LINK_ID]','33') > INSERT INTO LinkCats (LinkID,CatID) values ('[LINK_ID]','62') > INSERT INTO LinkCats (LinkID,CatID) values ('[LINK_ID]','61') > INSERT INTO LinkCats (LinkID,CatID) values ('[LINK_ID]','36') > INSERT INTO LinkCats (LinkID,CatID) values ('[LINK_ID]','34') > INSERT INTO LinkCats (LinkID,CatID) values ('[LINK_ID]','35') > > Remember to put the auto increment ID in instead of [LINK_ID] when > adding to LinkCats table. > > Have a nice day! > > > _______________________________________________ > Content mailing list > Content@lists.evolt.org > http://lists.evolt.org/mailman/listinfo/content > http://lists.evolt.org/htdig/search.html From dmah at shaw.ca Wed Jul 23 15:47:01 2003 From: dmah at shaw.ca (Dean Mah) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 08:47:01 -0600 Subject: [DesDev] Fwd: [xxx] d.e.o. link submission [FAILED INSERT] In-Reply-To: <2476B9F2-BD19-11D7-A8EA-000A959F6A30@easyweb.co.uk> References: <2476B9F2-BD19-11D7-A8EA-000A959F6A30@easyweb.co.uk> Message-ID: <20030723144701.GA2677@alice.cg.shawcable.net> The links actually are getting into the database. I'll track down why the error message is being generated. Dean On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 03:22:51PM +0100, Martin Burns wrote: > Getting a few failed inserts... > > Begin forwarded message: > > >From: ms883012 > >Date: Wed Jul 23, 2003 2:57:33 pm Europe/London > >To: content@lists.evolt.org > >Subject: [Content] d.e.o. link submission [FAILED INSERT] > >Reply-To: content@lists.evolt.org > >X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=3.5 > >tests=AWL,BAYES_20,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR, > >SEARCH_ENGINE_PROMO,SEMIFORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD version=2.55 > >X-Spam-Level: ** > > > > > >ms883012 has just submitted a link to the evolt directory, but the > >entry could not be inserted. From martin.burns at uk.ibm.com Thu Jul 24 12:53:58 2003 From: martin.burns at uk.ibm.com (Martin Paul Burns) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 12:53:58 +0100 Subject: [DesDev] Donation Wall Message-ID: Jeff wrote way back in June: ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > > at a bare minimum the donation bar should be out there > > in front of everyone, as it is now. (re)moving it > > will send the unintended message that we no longer > > need donations. > > Yep. imo, needs to be on every *eo site. Which is going > to be fun and interesting no matter where the master > data lives. > > But that's not at all the same argument as the whole > of the app needs to be a development of the weo app > which does something entirely different. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< >can you address my concerns about fragmentation? While having it all integrated into one of the several current evolt authentication schemes would be nice, I don't think it matters enough to hold this up. As it is, we've waited for over a month and still no donation wall, or suggestions for improvements beyond your "It's all rubbish". Unless anyone's got any further comments, I suggest that we start using it. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > Not sure that real-time matters - regularly updated from > the master data, sure. But I think daily updates would > be more than plenty ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< >sure, but what i meant by real-time was that the donation bar would reflect >the current totals *without* the treasurer having to go edit the amount >using the utility i set up for them. If we redevelop in the future to integrate it all, adding all the extra data to (say) the weo user schema, then we'll do that. Right now, I'm not bothered. The only absolutely essential users are ones with the treasurer role. As far as sharing the data across *eo sites for consistent donation bar purposes, I'm sure a simple XML feed would do nicely. Note that this is an already existing problem with leo, deo and beo (which has a wrong-coloured top bar btw). ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > > we can have added benefits like giving our members > > the choice to have donations listed in their user > > profile (or not). > > Which they do at present anyway, and doesn't allow for > the full range of ways that donors (not all of whom will > be members) may request it. It simply doesn't need (and > as a financial system, shouldn't have) multiple editors. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< >i'm not suggesting editing capabilities. i'm suggesting a user could choose >to have their donations listed on their user page just like approved >articles are listed. Well, when you code up a fully integrated system to manage all of *eo, we'll use it. I don't propose waiting for the donation wall until that happens, particularly as at the moment, you're too busy to forward emails to theforum. (Incidentally, Weo members won't neatly map onto donors). Cheers Martin From jeff at jeffhowden.com Fri Jul 25 04:32:43 2003 From: jeff at jeffhowden.com (Jeff Howden) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 20:32:43 -0700 Subject: [DesDev] Donation Wall In-Reply-To: <1059049253.23861@LISTSERV.alphashop.com> Message-ID: <1059103077.4752@LISTSERV.alphashop.com> martin, ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > From: Martin Paul Burns > > As it is, we've waited for over a month and still no > donation wall, [...] ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< waited? was someone supposed to be doing something in that time? ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > or suggestions for improvements beyond your "It's all > rubbish". ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< i didn't say "it's all rubbish". i simply offered my opinion on implementation. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > Unless anyone's got any further comments, I suggest that > we start using it. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< can we at least get a consensus on the matter? ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > As far as sharing the data across *eo sites for > consistent donation bar purposes, I'm sure a simple XML > feed would do nicely. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< yes it would. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > Note that this is an already existing problem with leo, > deo and beo (which has a wrong-coloured top bar btw). ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< sure, but it's not accuracy of the numbers that matters, not whether or not the bar is designed or colored correctly. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > Well, when you code up a fully integrated system to > manage all of *eo, we'll use it. I don't propose waiting > for the donation wall until that happens, particularly > as at the moment, you're too busy to forward emails to > theforum. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< easy with the cheap shots. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > (Incidentally, Weo members won't neatly map onto donors) ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< they would if we developed and enforced some form of global login system. .jeff ------------------------------------------------------ Jeff Howden - Web Application Specialist Resume - http://jeffhowden.com/about/resume/ Code Library - http://evolt.jeffhowden.com/jeff/code/ From neuro at well.com Wed Jul 30 21:22:01 2003 From: neuro at well.com (William Anderson) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 21:22:01 +0100 Subject: [DesDev] Donation Wall References: <1059103077.4752@LISTSERV.alphashop.com> Message-ID: <09f201c356d8$3bf9fef0$0100007f@local.zensoft.net> Jeff Howden wrote: > [snip] > > easy with the cheap shots. and > waited? was someone supposed to be doing something in that time? wasn't one of those? > > <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > > (Incidentally, Weo members won't neatly map onto donors) > > <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > > they would if we developed and enforced some form of global login system. go for it. -- _ __/| ___ ___ __ _________ "When Microsoft Office is your only hammer, \`O_o' / _ \/ -_) // / __/ _ \ pretty much everything begins to look like =(_ _)=/_//_/\__/\_,_/_/ \___/ a nail. Or a thumb." -- Rob Pegoraro U - Ack! Phttpt! Thhbbt! neuro at well dot com http://neuro.me.uk/ From jeff at jeffhowden.com Wed Jul 30 22:08:13 2003 From: jeff at jeffhowden.com (Jeff Howden) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 14:08:13 -0700 Subject: [DesDev] Donation Wall In-Reply-To: <1059597311.28467@LISTSERV.alphashop.com> Message-ID: <1059598401.23010@LISTSERV.alphashop.com> william, ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > From: William Anderson > > Jeff Howden wrote: > > [snip] > > > > easy with the cheap shots. > > and > > > waited? was someone supposed to be doing something > > in that time? > > wasn't one of those? ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< no, it was a genuine question. please don't read things into my replies. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > > they would if we developed and enforced some form of > > global login system. > > go for it. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< ok .jeff —————————————————————————————————————————————————————— Jeff Howden - Web Application Specialist Résumé - http://jeffhowden.com/about/resume/ Code Library - http://evolt.jeffhowden.com/jeff/code/ From rudy937 at rogers.com Wed Jul 30 23:06:50 2003 From: rudy937 at rogers.com (rudy) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 18:06:50 -0400 Subject: [DesDev] Donation Wall References: <1059103077.4752@LISTSERV.alphashop.com> <09f201c356d8$3bf9fef0$0100007f@local.zensoft.net> Message-ID: <00b501c356e6$ee27abf0$7f609c18@r9373j4yqbe8dy> > > they would if we developed and enforced some form of global login system. > > go for it. +1 this is a monumentally difficult task -- okay, at least to me, anyway ;o) but we tried it once before and it never got out of the starting blocks, if i recall .jeff can't do it alone, either, i don't think -- but i'd happily be corrected on that point rudy