From martin@easyweb.co.uk Mon Jul 1 00:19:02 2002 From: martin@easyweb.co.uk (Martin Burns) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 00:19:02 +0100 Subject: [Marketing] evolters.org - what could it be? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thursday, June 27, 2002, at 12:50 am, isaac wrote: > - What would happen to MEO as it stands? > > MEO could be incorporated into evolters.org. Webspace and email accounts > would alias to evolters.org equivalents. > > evolters.org may as well be the "prettier face" of an upgraded MEO. > i.e., > same box and all that. > > > Standard accounts for students/learners would remain (maybe 2MB -- > enough to > write some scripts and host a test database, etc?) -- free for genuine > learners. > > People using MEO for their blogs/photo galleries (I fall into the latter > group), etc would be encouraged to upgrade to a premium subscription > (15MB > of space, the email account, and all of the other stuff mentioned in my > previous email of this thread). Alternative: Keep MEO as the cost-free learning space, but restrict it so that you can't use it for anything else. One way to do this: Require that all content served has to be password protected - you can't open it to the world. Also throttle the bandwidth waaaay back so it's no damned use for multiple people accessing it. (we also stop pushing the fact that it's free - sure it stays free, but that sinks into the background a bit) If you want to keep production space, you upgrade. That's the stick, but you also have the carrot of joining in with the rest of the evolters thing. If you like, MEO is a thelist space - quite work focused, while evolters is much more thechat zeitgeist. Maybe part of that is making evolters.org somewhere where all the tools you need are there, and you don't need to build them yourself. So if you want a photo-gallery, the backend is there and you can customise the front-end. Same with a blog - you've got some blog product which ties in to the main evolters.org ACL for authentication and provides all the backend functionality you need, and all you need to do is the look/feel plus worrying about what you're going to say. Cheers Martin _______________________________________________ email: martin@easyweb.co.uk PGP ID: 0xA835CCCB martin@members.evolt.org snailmail: 30 Shandon Place tel: +44 (0)774 063 9985 Edinburgh, url: http://www.easyweb.co.uk Scotland From isaac@members.evolt.org Mon Jul 1 01:22:17 2002 From: isaac@members.evolt.org (isaac) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 09:52:17 +0930 Subject: [Marketing] evolters.org - what could it be? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Alternative: > Keep MEO as the cost-free learning space, but restrict it so that you > can't use it for anything else. I agree. But we might as well unite the two (evolters/meo), and just version the offering (default/premium). > Maybe part of that is making evolters.org somewhere where all the tools > you need are there, and you don't need to build them yourself. Potentially. I'd use a blog/gallery if they were provided and had good enough functionality. isaac -------------------------------------------------------------- triple zero digital | upstairs at 200 the parade, norwood 5067 (08)83320545 | www.triplezero.com.au | isaac@triplezero.com.au From emeyer@lclark.edu Mon Jul 1 17:31:09 2002 From: emeyer@lclark.edu (Erika Meyer) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 09:31:09 -0700 Subject: [Marketing] evolters.org - what could it be? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I agree that evolt front door has always been a bit on the boring side and that was one thing that was kind of cool about hotwired/webmonkey: the cutting edge design experiments which sometimes flopped... but the designs were bold, the colors intense... it was an aesthetic embracing of the medium. OTOH it's a different era now, and evolters do all this w/o a paycheck... I think Flash is okay but only if it is used in a really really accessible way and be extra careful on front door. Flash experiments... akin to hotwired's animation stuff... would not have to be accessible in the same way, because you go there *knowing* it's all about the Flash. You don't go there and grumble because there's no text equivalent. I looked at the URL below... couldn't see anything on Opera so I opened IE because I know I have Flash 5 installed there... still a blank browser. Nothing at all. what, is Flash 6 out? oh, that must be it.... I know I should upgrade, but I kind of resent having to upgrade a plug-in just to get info from a web site. Call me lazy, whatever. So I am. E Isaac wrote: > > I'd love to break with evolt.org tradition and have a really active, >> happening front door. Not garish, and I'd probably limit the >> taggage >> ;) but couldn't it be fun? And not brown. > > >Same. And Flash. Not gay intro trash, but useful stuff. > >Did you see this? >http://examples.macromedia.com/petmarket/flashstore.html > >Some cool ideas (lame design though). >--- >evolt.org Marketing list >marketing@lists.evolt.org >Archive: http://lists.evolt.org/marketingarchive/ -- ~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~ Erika Meyer Web Communications Consultant Lewis & Clark College Portland, Oregon USA Phone: 503-768-7972 http://www.lclark.edu/~emeyer/ ~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~ From lists@mantruc.com Mon Jul 1 17:46:43 2002 From: lists@mantruc.com (javier velasco) Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 12:46:43 -0400 Subject: [Marketing] Donations & the impending redesign References: Message-ID: <3D208772.F6E1C01A@mantruc.com> Isaac Forman wrote: > > What do you all think? Is there something we should consider a > > higher priority? > > Firstly, I think our priority is to get evolt.org moved to a new host as per > sysadmin's recommendation. That will allow us to concentrate on paying for > it. > > After that, though, covering evolt.org's costs will be our priority. And > we're not in the position of kuro5hin where we look greedy by asking for > personal costs either -- our costs are almost entirely hardware/bandwidth > related. i think we're in an egg-chicken situation: how are we going to be able to put our boxen in a new hosting setup if we don't have how to pay for it? From emeyer@lclark.edu Mon Jul 1 19:32:33 2002 From: emeyer@lclark.edu (Erika Meyer) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 11:32:33 -0700 Subject: [Marketing] Donations & the impending redesign In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Just so I can understand things more clearly on this list... I need to catch up, so anyone who wants to help me out, thanks. 1. reference for a page where all the different committees (are they really called 'monkeygroups'?) are listed w/ URLs. 2. are people reporting on committee work to the group at large on any kind of regular basis via email or web? Does it seem like a good idea? 3. have we figured out the legalities involved with accepting donations for costs (all okay as long as properly documented?) 4. the priorities we listed and other decisions made (on the forum and elsewhere)... anyone keeping a formal/informal list of that kind of stuff as it happens? Sorry for being behind... I'm hoping that by focusing on one area of evolt (marketing), but with a strong view of the bigger picture, I can be of more use. E Isaac wrote: >Let's get some action happening with this: > >> It seemed to Javier and myself that we might want to make a donation >> page/system our first priority. >> > > What do you all think? Is there something we should consider a >> higher priority? > > >Firstly, I think our priority is to get evolt.org moved to a new host as per >sysadmin's recommendation. That will allow us to concentrate on paying for >it. > >After that, though, covering evolt.org's costs will be our priority. And >we're not in the position of kuro5hin where we look greedy by asking for >personal costs either -- our costs are almost entirely hardware/bandwidth >related. > >We've previously identified opportunities to cover our costs: > > - donations > - subscriptions (see evolters.org premium accounts idea) > - tagwear > - affiliate hosting > - etc > >Once we've moved hosts, we'll have a monthly $-figure to aim for (something >like US$500-800 most likely, depending on BEO plans). Regular contributions >like subscriptions and affiliate stuff can reduce that figure. The remainder >will be a monthly target that we'll aim to hit, and we'll be able to >incorporate a target/meter into the site header. This will also provide >links to a specific "support evolt.org" page. > -- ~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~ Erika Meyer Web Communications Consultant Lewis & Clark College Portland, Oregon USA Phone: 503-768-7972 http://www.lclark.edu/~emeyer/ ~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~ From martin@easyweb.co.uk Mon Jul 1 20:01:23 2002 From: martin@easyweb.co.uk (Martin Burns) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 20:01:23 +0100 Subject: [Marketing] Donations & the impending redesign In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Monday, July 1, 2002, at 07:32 pm, Erika Meyer wrote: > Just so I can understand things more clearly on this list... I need > to catch up, so anyone who wants to help me out, thanks. > > 1. reference for a page where all the different committees (are they > really called 'monkeygroups'?) are listed w/ URLs. http://freezope2.nipltd.net/acorn/evolt/FrontPage > 2. are people reporting on committee work to the group at large on > any kind of regular basis via email or web? Does it seem like a good > idea? We (marketing) are formally giving reports to theforum via email. Lach/Isaac, is this being archived to the wiki at all, even if it's a one page doc with links to the appropriate leo URLs? All groups will certainly report to the steering group whose archive is at http://lists.evolt.org/steeringarchive/ > 3. have we figured out the legalities involved with accepting > donations for costs (all okay as long as properly documented?) Just about, yes. > 4. the priorities we listed and other decisions made (on the forum > and elsewhere)... anyone keeping a formal/informal list of that kind > of stuff as it happens? All the groups I'm involved in (marketing, content, finance) are recording decisions on the wiki. Can't speak for the others. Cheers Martin _______________________________________________ email: martin@easyweb.co.uk PGP ID: 0xA835CCCB martin@members.evolt.org snailmail: 30 Shandon Place tel: +44 (0)774 063 9985 Edinburgh, url: http://www.easyweb.co.uk Scotland From erika@seastorm.com Mon Jul 1 21:04:26 2002 From: erika@seastorm.com (Erika Meyer) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 13:04:26 -0700 Subject: [Marketing] Donations & the impending redesign In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Very nice, thank you! Erika From Martin: >On Monday, July 1, 2002, at 07:32 pm, Erika Meyer wrote: > >>Just so I can understand things more clearly on this list... I need >>to catch up, so anyone who wants to help me out, thanks. >> >>1. reference for a page where all the different committees (are they >>really called 'monkeygroups'?) are listed w/ URLs. > >http://freezope2.nipltd.net/acorn/evolt/FrontPage > >>2. are people reporting on committee work to the group at large on >>any kind of regular basis via email or web? Does it seem like a good >>idea? > >We (marketing) are formally giving reports to theforum via email. >Lach/Isaac, is this being archived to the wiki at all, even if it's a >one page doc with links to the appropriate leo URLs? > >All groups will certainly report to the steering group whose archive is >at >http://lists.evolt.org/steeringarchive/ > >>3. have we figured out the legalities involved with accepting >>donations for costs (all okay as long as properly documented?) > >Just about, yes. > >>4. the priorities we listed and other decisions made (on the forum >>and elsewhere)... anyone keeping a formal/informal list of that kind >>of stuff as it happens? > >All the groups I'm involved in (marketing, content, finance) are >recording decisions on the wiki. Can't speak for the others. > >Cheers >Martin >_______________________________________________ >email: martin@easyweb.co.uk PGP ID: 0xA835CCCB > martin@members.evolt.org snailmail: 30 Shandon Place > tel: +44 (0)774 063 9985 Edinburgh, > url: http://www.easyweb.co.uk Scotland -- ~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~ Erika Meyer Web Communications Consultant Lewis & Clark College Portland, Oregon USA Phone: 503-768-7972 http://www.lclark.edu/~emeyer/ ~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~ From luminosity@members.evolt.org Tue Jul 2 03:37:45 2002 From: luminosity@members.evolt.org (Lachlan Cannon) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 12:37:45 +1000 (EST) Subject: [Marketing] Donations & the impending redesign In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1045.139.130.216.191.1025577465.squirrel@members.evolt.org> Martin Burns said: > We (marketing) are formally giving reports to theforum via email. > Lach/Isaac, is this being archived to the wiki at all, even if it\'s a > one page doc with links to the appropriate leo URLs? Good idea. i'll get onto it now. Lach _____________________________________ http://members.evolt.org/luminosity/ MSN: luminosity @ members.evolt.org _____________________________________ From webguru@vsnl.net Tue Jul 2 06:49:35 2002 From: webguru@vsnl.net (Madhu Menon) Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 11:19:35 +0530 Subject: [Marketing] evolt spotting Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020702111425.01d07b78@203.197.12.4> I know Martin has had the Google monopoly on "CMS" for a long time, so I thought I'd add my own little achievement. Searching Google for "404 error pages" and "404 pages" returns my evolt.org article as #1 result. http://www.google.com/search?q=404+error+pages It's also on the first page of these search terms: * page not found error pages (#1) * custom error pages * page not found error * custom 404 error page and various permutations of that. Regards, Madhu <<< * >>> Madhu Menon User Experience Consultant e-mail: webguru@vsnl.net From martin@easyweb.co.uk Tue Jul 2 12:52:51 2002 From: martin@easyweb.co.uk (Martin Burns) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 12:52:51 +0100 Subject: [Marketing] evolters.org - what could it be? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3C5F0896-8DB2-11D6-A960-000502172AD3@easyweb.co.uk> On Monday, July 1, 2002, at 01:22 am, isaac wrote: >> Maybe part of that is making evolters.org somewhere where all the tools >> you need are there, and you don't need to build them yourself. > > Potentially. > > I'd use a blog/gallery if they were provided and had good enough > functionality. Isaac Take a look at http://www-stage.homeip.net:8080/photo_test/ (u/n and p%%wd are guest for normal viewing - email me if you want to see the admin interface) Photos uploaded via any one of ftp, webdav or browser form. Images resized with ImageMagick either on the fly or pre-rendered. User-definable sizes User-definable cache timeout User-definable properties so you could attach a commentary to each one, or a longdesc Cheers Martin _______________________________________________ email: martin@easyweb.co.uk PGP ID: 0xA835CCCB martin@members.evolt.org snailmail: 30 Shandon Place tel: +44 (0)774 063 9985 Edinburgh, url: http://www.easyweb.co.uk Scotland From martin@easyweb.co.uk Tue Jul 2 13:10:22 2002 From: martin@easyweb.co.uk (Martin Burns) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 13:10:22 +0100 Subject: [Marketing] evolters.org - what could it be? In-Reply-To: <3C5F0896-8DB2-11D6-A960-000502172AD3@easyweb.co.uk> Message-ID: On Tuesday, July 2, 2002, at 12:52 pm, Martin Burns wrote: > Images resized with ImageMagick ...with user-definable JPEG Q-value (I've got it set to 75) Cheers Martin _______________________________________________ email: martin@easyweb.co.uk PGP ID: 0xA835CCCB martin@members.evolt.org snailmail: 30 Shandon Place tel: +44 (0)774 063 9985 Edinburgh, url: http://www.easyweb.co.uk Scotland From lists@mantruc.com Tue Jul 2 20:29:01 2002 From: lists@mantruc.com (javier velasco) Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 15:29:01 -0400 Subject: [Marketing] Re: [yyyforum] News update References: <411-2200272214448226@pia> Message-ID: <3D21FEFD.ED65BA7A@mantruc.com> Technical Committee wrote: > The VII Edition of the Pirelli INTERNETional Award 2002 is online, at: > http://www.pirelliaward.com/web/application.html > > Naturally, you are welcome -as usual- to submit your Website for evaluation, so as to maximize your chances of winning. are we taking the offer? From webguru@vsnl.net Tue Jul 2 20:36:04 2002 From: webguru@vsnl.net (Madhu Menon) Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 01:06:04 +0530 Subject: [Marketing] Re: [yyyforum] News update In-Reply-To: <3D21FEFD.ED65BA7A@mantruc.com> References: <411-2200272214448226@pia> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020703010431.0228f628@203.197.12.4> At 12:59 AM 7/3/2002, javier velasco wrote: > > Naturally, you are welcome -as usual- to submit your Website for > evaluation, so as to maximize your chances of winning. > >are we taking the offer? Ahem, that's an interesting application page they have there. http://www.pirelliaward.com/web/application.html It actually says this: "If you want to send a multi-file work (i.e. a web site, a set of images, a software. etc.), we strongly advise you to group all the files into one single file, using any compression program (i.e., Winzip for Windows or Stuffit for Macintosh). " Yep, let's zip up all the evolt.org articles, etc. and send it to them. Ha ha ha ha! Have these people heard of the Internet and *hyperlinks*? ROFLMAO. Madhu <<< * >>> Madhu Menon User Experience Consultant e-mail: webguru@vsnl.net From martin.p.burns@uk.pwcglobal.com Tue Jul 9 10:55:46 2002 From: martin.p.burns@uk.pwcglobal.com (martin.p.burns@uk.pwcglobal.com) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 10:55:46 +0100 Subject: [Marketing] beo mirror Message-ID: Memo from Martin P Burns of PricewaterhouseCoopers -------------------- Start of message text -------------------- http://lists.evolt.org/sysadminarchive/2002-July/000286.html w00+ etc. Do we care about whether/how the evolt brand is used on mirrors? Cheers Martin --------------------- End of message text -------------------- This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. 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From luminosity@members.evolt.org Tue Jul 9 13:22:08 2002 From: luminosity@members.evolt.org (Lachlan Cannon) Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 22:22:08 +1000 Subject: [Marketing] beo mirror References: Message-ID: <3D2AD570.9040108@members.evolt.org> martin.p.burns@uk.pwcglobal.com wrote: > http://lists.evolt.org/sysadminarchive/2002-July/000286.html > > w00+ etc. > > Do we care about whether/how the evolt brand is used on mirrors? I don't think we need to. the people will be coming from an evolt branded site, and it ill be clearly identified that they're going to a mirror, so they shouldn't be expecting evolt branding. If anything I'd suggest just the logo with the text "This is a mirror of browsers.evolt.org, a browser archive." But again, I don't really see the need. Lach __________________________________________ http://members.evolt.org/luminosity/ MSN: luminosity @ members.evolt.org __________________________________________ From martin.p.burns@uk.pwcglobal.com Tue Jul 9 13:38:01 2002 From: martin.p.burns@uk.pwcglobal.com (martin.p.burns@uk.pwcglobal.com) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 13:38:01 +0100 Subject: [Marketing] beo mirror Message-ID: Memo from Martin P Burns of PricewaterhouseCoopers -------------------- Start of message text -------------------- Ah, sorry, I'd misunderstood. Will people only be directed off-beo for the actual downloads? not initially oh i see beo will be the prime site i.e. people won't go to randomsite.com/beo and browse the archive that's not the intention as i see it at any rate the mirrors are purely intended to provide file downloads You're right I think - we don't need anything Cheers Martin Please respond to marketing@lists.evolt.org Sent by: marketing-admin@lists.evolt.org To: marketing@lists.evolt.org cc: Subject: Re: [Marketing] beo mirror martin.p.burns@uk.pwcglobal.com wrote: > http://lists.evolt.org/sysadminarchive/2002-July/000286.html > > w00+ etc. > > Do we care about whether/how the evolt brand is used on mirrors? I don't think we need to. the people will be coming from an evolt branded site, and it ill be clearly identified that they're going to a mirror, so they shouldn't be expecting evolt branding. If anything I'd suggest just the logo with the text "This is a mirror of browsers.evolt.org, a browser archive." But again, I don't really see the need. --------------------- End of message text -------------------- This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. _________________________________________________________________ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From isaac@triplezero.com.au Wed Jul 10 08:28:45 2002 From: isaac@triplezero.com.au (Isaac Forman) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:58:45 +0930 Subject: [Marketing] Affiliate option Message-ID: Could be worth considering? http://tvcnet.com/app.html From jcanfield@magisnetworks.com Wed Jul 10 17:10:36 2002 From: jcanfield@magisnetworks.com (jcanfield@magisnetworks.com) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 09:10:36 -0700 Subject: [Marketing] even more diminished participation Message-ID: <7276323CA710D611AFED00B0D0200851648AE0@ns.magisnetworks.com> Yesterday they laid off my son, who was our only HelpDesk technician. Since I will now be taking on half his duties, I need to unsub my work address and will only be able to participate in evolt.org discussions from home. If I'm ever there again. Joel D Canfield Applications Manager Magis Networks, Inc. jcanfield@magisnetworks.com 858.523.2328 From isaac@triplezero.com.au Thu Jul 11 06:25:58 2002 From: isaac@triplezero.com.au (Isaac Forman) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 14:55:58 +0930 Subject: [Marketing] vote: Marlene Bruce to join Marketing Message-ID: Marlene Bruce has expressed interest in joining the voting membership of Marketing. Please vote before Monday. isaac: +1 From roselli@earthlink.net Thu Jul 11 06:27:07 2002 From: roselli@earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 01:27:07 -0400 Subject: [Marketing] vote: Marlene Bruce to join Marketing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3D2CDEEB.22854.14A0BC7E@localhost> +1 -- Read the evolt.org case study Usability: The Site Speaks for Itself http://amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1904151035/evoltorg ISBN: 1904151035 From joel@spinhead.com Thu Jul 11 06:32:49 2002 From: joel@spinhead.com (Joel Canfield) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 22:32:49 -0700 Subject: [Marketing] vote: Marlene Bruce to join Marketing Message-ID: > Marlene +Nuh. I mean +1 joel From martin.p.burns@uk.pwcglobal.com Thu Jul 11 10:05:38 2002 From: martin.p.burns@uk.pwcglobal.com (martin.p.burns@uk.pwcglobal.com) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:05:38 +0100 Subject: [Marketing] vote: Marlene Bruce to join Marketing Message-ID: Memo from Martin P Burns of PricewaterhouseCoopers -------------------- Start of message text -------------------- +1 Marlene Bruce has expressed interest in joining the voting membership of Marketing. Please vote before Monday. --------------------- End of message text -------------------- This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. 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From luminosity@members.evolt.org Thu Jul 11 13:34:04 2002 From: luminosity@members.evolt.org (Lachlan Cannon) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 22:34:04 +1000 Subject: [Marketing] vote: Marlene Bruce to join Marketing References: Message-ID: <3D2D7B3C.4090508@members.evolt.org> +1 -- Lach __________________________________________ http://members.evolt.org/luminosity/ MSN: luminosity @ members.evolt.org __________________________________________ From Roselli@AlgonquinStudios.com Thu Jul 11 14:29:16 2002 From: Roselli@AlgonquinStudios.com (Adrian A. Roselli) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:29:16 -0400 Subject: [Marketing] RE: browsers.evolt.org Message-ID: Gotcha. Let me jump start the conversation with the rest of the members, and just be sure all concerns are addressed. Adrian Roselli Vice President of Interactive Media 716.842.1439 http://algonquinstudios.com/ > -----Original Message----- > From: Lovell, Adrian [mailto:adrian.lovell@pro.gov.uk] > Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 7:56 AM > To: Adrian A. Roselli > Subject: RE: browsers.evolt.org > > > Adrian, > > Thanks a lot for your efforts. We will not be redistributing > these browsers > as they are just for our internal software archive at the moment. > > I look forward to hearing for you when you have discussed the > matter with > the other members of the evolt.org team. > > Thanks again, > > Adrian Lovell > Digital Preservation > Public Record Office > Kew, Richmond > Surrey, TW9 4DU > United Kingdom > > Tel: +44 (0)20 8392 2186 > Fax: +44 (0)20 8392 5254 > Mobile: +44 (0)7905 930 456 > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Adrian Roselli [mailto:roselli@algonquinstudios.com] > Sent: 05 July 2002 17:02 > To: Lovell, Adrian > Subject: Re: browsers.evolt.org > > > > Adrian (coincidence?), > > For now, we've limited access to the browser archive in order to keep > our bandwidth costs down -- they've been eating up more and more each > month, and are making it prohibitively expensive to allow the same > level of access we've always had. > > However, given your need, it might be worth chatting about just > putting together an archive for your use, provided the other folks > over here at evolt.org are keen on that, and we can be sure that you > aren't redistributing them for profit, or any other things like that. > > I've cc'd this to one of the evolt.org administrative teams for their > input, and I'll follow-up with you when I have some direction. > > Thanks for your interest! > > Adrian Roselli > > > From: "Lovell, Adrian" > > To: "'roselli@algonquinstudios.com'" > > Subject: browsers.evolt.org > > Date sent: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 10:22:05 +0100 > > > > Hi Adrian, > > I work for the Public Record Office in England where we are > > currently transferring all old UK government records into an > > accessible electronic format. As part of this project we are also > > building a giant software library, including www browsers, to enable > > us to access some very old data. I can't seem to download > any of the > > browsers on http://browsers.evolt.org/. They all point to an FTP > > server that does not appear to be active... Is this a temporary > > glitch, or do you have a backup of them all? > > > > Any help you could give us in obtaining the browsers on > your excellent > > web site would be greatly appreciated. > > > > Yours, > > > > Adrian Lovell > > Digital Preservation > > Public Record Office > > Kew, Richmond > > Surrey, TW9 4DU > > United Kingdom > > > > Tel: +44 (0)20 8392 2186 > > Fax: +44 (0)20 8392 5254 > > Mobile: +44 (0)7905 930 456 > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -------------------------------------- This e-mail message (and > > attachments) may contain information that is confidential to The > > Public Record Office. If you are not the intended recipient > you cannot > > use, distribute or copy the message or attachments. 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In such a case, > please notify the sender by return e-mail immediately and > erase all copies of the message and attachments. > Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message > and attachments that do not relate to the official business > of the Public Record Office are neither given nor endorsed by it. > -------------------------------------------------------------- > -------------------------------------------------------------- > -------------------------------------------------------------- > From erika@seastorm.com Thu Jul 11 16:55:31 2002 From: erika@seastorm.com (Erika Meyer) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:55:31 -0700 Subject: [Marketing] vote: Marlene Bruce to join Marketing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: +1 -- ~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~ Erika Meyer Web Communications Consultant Lewis & Clark College Portland, Oregon USA Phone: 503-768-7972 http://www.lclark.edu/~emeyer/ ~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~ From r937@interlog.com Thu Jul 11 17:05:16 2002 From: r937@interlog.com (rudy) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 12:05:16 -0400 Subject: [Marketing] vote: Marlene Bruce to join Marketing Message-ID: <01c228f4$bf098a80$16e7059a@rudy> mmmm, i love voting +1 to marlene joining marketing it should really be a no-brainer, because there are few people who have invested as much actual effort[*] in evolt as marlene [*] actual effort as opposed to just discussion not that participating in a discussion has little value on the contrary, discussion is important, but action is also required at times marlene should basically be able to write her own ticket as to where she wants to contribute rudy From genghis@members.evolt.org Thu Jul 11 18:01:42 2002 From: genghis@members.evolt.org (John Handelaar) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 18:01:42 +0100 Subject: [Marketing] RE: browsers.evolt.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Did I miss the first part of this? Certainly looks interesting :-) ------------------------------------------ John Handelaar T +44 20 8933 1494 M +44 7930 681789 F +44 870 169 7657 E john@userfrenzy.com ------------------------------------------ > -----Original Message----- > From: marketing-admin@lists.evolt.org > [mailto:marketing-admin@lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Adrian A. Roselli > Sent: 11 July 2002 14:29 > To: Lovell, Adrian > Cc: marketing@lists.evolt.org > Subject: [Marketing] RE: browsers.evolt.org > > > Gotcha. > > Let me jump start the conversation with the rest of the members, and > just be sure all concerns are addressed. > > Adrian Roselli > Vice President of Interactive Media > 716.842.1439 > http://algonquinstudios.com/ > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Lovell, Adrian [mailto:adrian.lovell@pro.gov.uk] > > Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 7:56 AM > > To: Adrian A. Roselli > > Subject: RE: browsers.evolt.org > > > > > > Adrian, > > > > Thanks a lot for your efforts. We will not be redistributing > > these browsers > > as they are just for our internal software archive at the moment. > > > > I look forward to hearing for you when you have discussed the > > matter with > > the other members of the evolt.org team. > > > > Thanks again, > > > > Adrian Lovell > > Digital Preservation > > Public Record Office > > Kew, Richmond > > Surrey, TW9 4DU > > United Kingdom > > > > Tel: +44 (0)20 8392 2186 > > Fax: +44 (0)20 8392 5254 > > Mobile: +44 (0)7905 930 456 > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Adrian Roselli [mailto:roselli@algonquinstudios.com] > > Sent: 05 July 2002 17:02 > > To: Lovell, Adrian > > Subject: Re: browsers.evolt.org > > > > > > > > Adrian (coincidence?), > > > > For now, we've limited access to the browser archive in order to keep > > our bandwidth costs down -- they've been eating up more and more each > > month, and are making it prohibitively expensive to allow the same > > level of access we've always had. > > > > However, given your need, it might be worth chatting about just > > putting together an archive for your use, provided the other folks > > over here at evolt.org are keen on that, and we can be sure that you > > aren't redistributing them for profit, or any other things like that. > > > > I've cc'd this to one of the evolt.org administrative teams for their > > input, and I'll follow-up with you when I have some direction. > > > > Thanks for your interest! > > > > Adrian Roselli > > > > > From: "Lovell, Adrian" > > > To: "'roselli@algonquinstudios.com'" > > > Subject: browsers.evolt.org > > > Date sent: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 10:22:05 +0100 > > > > > > Hi Adrian, > > > I work for the Public Record Office in England where we are > > > currently transferring all old UK government records into an > > > accessible electronic format. As part of this project we are also > > > building a giant software library, including www browsers, to enable > > > us to access some very old data. I can't seem to download > > any of the > > > browsers on http://browsers.evolt.org/. They all point to an FTP > > > server that does not appear to be active... Is this a temporary > > > glitch, or do you have a backup of them all? > > > > > > Any help you could give us in obtaining the browsers on > > your excellent > > > web site would be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > Yours, > > > > > > Adrian Lovell > > > Digital Preservation > > > Public Record Office > > > Kew, Richmond > > > Surrey, TW9 4DU > > > United Kingdom > > > > > > Tel: +44 (0)20 8392 2186 > > > Fax: +44 (0)20 8392 5254 > > > Mobile: +44 (0)7905 930 456 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > -------------------------------------- This e-mail message (and > > > attachments) may contain information that is confidential to The > > > Public Record Office. If you are not the intended recipient > > you cannot > > > use, distribute or copy the message or attachments. In such a case, > > > please notify the sender by return e-mail immediately and erase all > > > copies of the message and attachments. Opinions, > > conclusions and other > > > information in this message and attachments that do not > > relate to the > > > official business of the Public Record Office are neither given nor > > > endorsed by it. > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ---------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > -- > > Read the evolt.org case study > > Usability: The Site Speaks for Itself > > http://amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1904151035/evoltorg > > ISBN: 1904151035 > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > This e-mail message (and attachments) may contain information > > that is confidential to The Public Record Office. > > If you are not the intended recipient you cannot use, > > distribute or copy the message or attachments. In such a case, > > please notify the sender by return e-mail immediately and > > erase all copies of the message and attachments. > > Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message > > and attachments that do not relate to the official business > > of the Public Record Office are neither given nor endorsed by it. > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > --- > evolt.org Marketing list > marketing@lists.evolt.org > Archive: http://lists.evolt.org/marketingarchive/ > From erika@seastorm.com Thu Jul 11 18:21:11 2002 From: erika@seastorm.com (Erika Meyer) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:21:11 -0700 Subject: [Marketing] vote: Marlene Bruce to join Marketing In-Reply-To: <01c228f4$bf098a80$16e7059a@rudy> References: <01c228f4$bf098a80$16e7059a@rudy> Message-ID: rudy wrote: >mmmm, i love voting me too. It makes everything so plain and clear. It gives everyone a voice. It creates a paper (pixel?) trail... ooh... pixel trails.... >marlene should basically be able to write her own ticket as to where she >wants to contribute I doubt that anyone would argue with that. Erika -- From dmah@members.evolt.org Thu Jul 11 20:53:34 2002 From: dmah@members.evolt.org (Dean Mah) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 13:53:34 -0600 Subject: [Marketing] BEO Mirroring Document Message-ID: <20020711195334.GA2606@alice.cg.shawcable.net> Hi, sysadmin would like to get the beo mirroring thing rolling again. The text provided here: http://lists.evolt.org/marketingarchive/2002-June/000206.html is good but we need the "Mirror the Browser Archive" article written so we can link to it. Thanks, Dean From lists@mantruc.com Thu Jul 11 21:07:15 2002 From: lists@mantruc.com (javier velasco) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 16:07:15 -0400 Subject: [Marketing] vote: Marlene Bruce to join Marketing References: <3D2CDEEB.22854.14A0BC7E@localhost> Message-ID: <3D2DE573.328BD2C9@mantruc.com> +1 javier From lists@mantruc.com Thu Jul 11 21:10:44 2002 From: lists@mantruc.com (javier velasco) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 16:10:44 -0400 Subject: [Marketing] vote: Marlene Bruce to join Marketing References: <01c228f4$bf098a80$16e7059a@rudy> Message-ID: <3D2DE644.E75D4F1@mantruc.com> rudy wrote: > it should really be a no-brainer, because there are few people who have > invested as much actual effort[*] in evolt as marlene > > [*] actual effort as opposed to just discussion hear, hear, Marlene! From dmah@members.evolt.org Thu Jul 11 21:33:47 2002 From: dmah@members.evolt.org (Dean Mah) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 14:33:47 -0600 Subject: [Marketing] Re: [Theforum] Downtime on Friday In-Reply-To: <3D2DE8B2.3030705@f2o.org> References: <3D2DE8B2.3030705@f2o.org> Message-ID: <20020711203347.GA2910@alice.cg.shawcable.net> Thanks for the heads up Dan. I'm sure that the Marketing group will write the appropriate notices and send them to the various lists. I'll add it to my .plan but I guess if the server's go down, that won't help much. :) Guess I should mirror it somewhere else. Dean On Thu, Jul 11, 2002 at 03:21:06PM -0500, Daniel J. Cody wrote: > Hi - > > The power co just let me(and everyone one else in the building) know > they are coming to the building this friday to replace the main breaker > at 5 pm. > > They expect to have it replaced within 1-2 hours. Everything will be on > the UPS systems, but if the outage lasts longer than anticipated, the > machines with the lowest priority will be turned off first. > > Sorry about the short time frame, but I just got the memo from the Super. > > Dan From lists@mantruc.com Thu Jul 11 21:49:21 2002 From: lists@mantruc.com (javier velasco) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 16:49:21 -0400 Subject: [Marketing] Re: [Theforum] Downtime on Friday References: <3D2DE8B2.3030705@f2o.org> <20020711203347.GA2910@alice.cg.shawcable.net> Message-ID: <3D2DEF50.52C7B594@mantruc.com> Dean Mah wrote: > I'm sure that the Marketing group will > write the appropriate notices and send them to the various lists. This is a first approach, please review and edit. Who are se sending to? - m.e.o. users - thelist - theforum? - thechat ----- Dear evolt members & subscribers: Due to some electrical updates in our current hosting facilities, there's a chance that we could suffer some downtime tomorrow past 17:00. This would only happen if the update job lasts longer thatn our UPS systems. We apologize for the inconveniences this may cause. evolt.org ----- From neuro@well.com Thu Jul 11 23:07:50 2002 From: neuro@well.com (William Anderson) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 23:07:50 +0100 Subject: [Marketing] Re: [Sysadmin] BEO Mirroring Document References: <20020711195334.GA2606@alice.cg.shawcable.net> Message-ID: <0a3a01c22927$65beed70$6502a8c0@local.zensoft.net> ---- Original Message ---- From: "Dean Mah" To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 8:53 PM Subject: [Sysadmin] BEO Mirroring Document > Hi, > > sysadmin would like to get the beo mirroring thing rolling again. The > text provided here: > > http://lists.evolt.org/marketingarchive/2002-June/000206.html > > is good but we need the "Mirror the Browser Archive" > article written so we can link to it. if need be i can hack something together and so that it can be built upon ... -- _ __/| ___ ___ __ _________ "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned \`O_o' / _ \/ -_) // / __/ _ \ for Sega." -- Brodie, 'Mallrats' =(_ _)=/_//_/\__/\_,_/_/ \___/ @ well.com :: William Anderson U - Ack! Phttpt! Thhbbt! http://neuro.me.uk/ From isaac@members.evolt.org Fri Jul 12 01:29:04 2002 From: isaac@members.evolt.org (isaac) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 09:59:04 +0930 Subject: [Marketing] Re: [Theforum] Downtime on Friday In-Reply-To: <3D2DEF50.52C7B594@mantruc.com> Message-ID: My changes: --- Dear evolt.org members & subscribers: Due to some electrical updates at our current hosting facility, there's a chance that we could suffer some downtime tomorrow at around 17:00 (timezone?). Should it occur, it will temporarily effect all evolt.org services. We apologize for any inconveniences this may cause. evolt.org --- Anyone know the timezone? From isaac@members.evolt.org Fri Jul 12 01:34:42 2002 From: isaac@members.evolt.org (isaac) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:04:42 +0930 Subject: [Marketing] RE: [Sysadmin] BEO Mirroring Document In-Reply-To: <20020711195334.GA2606@alice.cg.shawcable.net> Message-ID: > http://lists.evolt.org/marketingarchive/2002-June/000206.html > > is good but we need the "Mirror the Browser Archive" > article written so we can link to it. Dean, Can we have some brief bullet points of the aims of this document? Let me know if this is on track: - about BEO - what kind of help we need - who would be suitable to help - what process is involved - what payback is available (i.e., mirror name on download pages, etc) - who to talk to, and how to get mirroring - thanks isaac -------------------------------------------------------------- triple zero digital | upstairs at 200 the parade, norwood 5067 (08)83320545 | www.triplezero.com.au | isaac@triplezero.com.au From dmah@members.evolt.org Fri Jul 12 01:32:46 2002 From: dmah@members.evolt.org (Dean Mah) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 18:32:46 -0600 Subject: [Marketing] Re: [Sysadmin] BEO Mirroring Document In-Reply-To: References: <20020711195334.GA2606@alice.cg.shawcable.net> Message-ID: <20020712003246.GA3718@alice.cg.shawcable.net> On Fri, Jul 12, 2002 at 10:04:42AM +0930, isaac wrote: > > http://lists.evolt.org/marketingarchive/2002-June/000206.html > > > > is good but we need the "Mirror the Browser Archive" > > article written so we can link to it. > > Dean, > > Can we have some brief bullet points of the aims of this document? > > Let me know if this is on track: > > > - about BEO > - what kind of help we need > - who would be suitable to help > - what process is involved > - what payback is available (i.e., mirror name on download pages, etc) > - who to talk to, and how to get mirroring > - thanks This looks good to me. Dean From isaac@triplezero.com.au Fri Jul 12 01:54:05 2002 From: isaac@triplezero.com.au (Isaac Forman) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:24:05 +0930 Subject: [Marketing] discuss: Close Marketing archive to indexing by search engines Message-ID: Currently, the Marketing archive is being indexed by google: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&safe=off&q=marketin garchive+site%3Alists.evolt.org I, for one, prefer to keep this list as a casual forum in which we can brainstorm evolt.org related ideas, and would rather not leave it open to any clients browsing our side-pursuits. I'd suggest that we close this list to indexing by search engines. Any thoughts, or should we jump into a vote? isaac -------------------------------------------------------------- triple zero digital | upstairs at 200 the parade, norwood 5067 (08)83320545 | www.triplezero.com.au | isaac@triplezero.com.au From isaac@members.evolt.org Fri Jul 12 02:21:09 2002 From: isaac@members.evolt.org (isaac) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:51:09 +0930 Subject: [Marketing] Re: [Sysadmin] BEO Mirroring Document In-Reply-To: <20020712003246.GA3718@alice.cg.shawcable.net> Message-ID: William - see if can you put in some details for that middle section. i.e., minimum space/bandwidth available, and whether mirrors can choose to only mirror certain files rather than the entire 4 gig. --- evolt.org's Browser Archive is the Internet's leading source for web browsers, old and new. Around 4 Gb of browsers for a range of operating systems are provided free for web developers as an opportunity to test site experiences with a variety of applications. However, hosting the archive in one location places a great deal of strain (especially financial) on evolt.org, and we are shifting to a more distributed hosting model. As such, if you have a stable server with space and bandwidth to share, your assistance would be greatly appreciated. sysadmin to provide process details Your mirror information will be visible on the Browser Archive on the download page of each file you are able to host. This is accompanied by the following text: "These downloads are made available by our mirror providers who help us deliver evolt.org services worldwide. Please support the individuals and organisations who support evolt.org." If you're interested in helping to ensure the future of evolt.org's Browser Archive, please email us to discuss it further (x@x). Thank you for your interest in evolt.org. --- From joel@spinhead.com Fri Jul 12 02:43:01 2002 From: joel@spinhead.com (Joel Canfield) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 18:43:01 -0700 Subject: [Marketing] discuss: Close Marketing archive to indexing by s earch engines Message-ID: > I'd suggest that we close this list to indexing by search engines. > > Any thoughts, or should we jump into a vote? I'm for it, but willing to discuss. joel From martin.p.burns@uk.pwcglobal.com Fri Jul 12 10:38:53 2002 From: martin.p.burns@uk.pwcglobal.com (martin.p.burns@uk.pwcglobal.com) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:38:53 +0100 Subject: [Marketing] Re: [Theforum] Downtime on Friday Message-ID: Memo from Martin P Burns of PricewaterhouseCoopers -------------------- Start of message text -------------------- Timezone=GMT-6 If no-one has any further amends, I'll send this out in a couple of hours to catch people in European timezones before they head home. Cheers Martin Subject: RE: [Marketing] Re: [Theforum] Downtime on Friday My changes: --- Dear evolt.org members & subscribers: Due to some electrical updates at our current hosting facility, there's a chance that we could suffer some downtime tomorrow at around 17:00 (timezone?). Should it occur, it will temporarily effect all evolt.org services. We apologize for any inconveniences this may cause. evolt.org --------------------- End of message text -------------------- This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. _________________________________________________________________ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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From lists@mantruc.com Fri Jul 12 14:15:11 2002 From: lists@mantruc.com (javier velasco) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 09:15:11 -0400 Subject: [Marketing] discuss: Close Marketing archive to indexing by search engines References: Message-ID: <3D2ED65F.E4258E12@mantruc.com> Isaac Forman wrote: > I'd suggest that we close this list to indexing by search engines. i agree From lists@mantruc.com Fri Jul 12 14:16:56 2002 From: lists@mantruc.com (javier velasco) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 09:16:56 -0400 Subject: [Marketing] Downtime on Friday (second attempt) References: <3D2DE8B2.3030705@f2o.org> <20020711203347.GA2910@alice.cg.shawcable.net> <3D2DEF50.52C7B594@mantruc.com> Message-ID: <3D2ED6C8.38965A08@mantruc.com> This is a first approach, please review and edit. Who are se sending to? - m.e.o. users - thelist - theforum? - thechat ----- Dear evolt members & subscribers: Due to some electrical updates in our current hosting facilities, there's a chance that we could suffer some downtime tomorrow past 17:00. This would only happen if the update job lasts longer than our (limited) UPS systems. We apologize for the inconveniences this may cause. evolt.org From lists@mantruc.com Fri Jul 12 14:19:12 2002 From: lists@mantruc.com (javier velasco) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 09:19:12 -0400 Subject: [Marketing] Downtime on Friday (second attempt) References: <3D2DE8B2.3030705@f2o.org> <20020711203347.GA2910@alice.cg.shawcable.net> <3D2DEF50.52C7B594@mantruc.com> <3D2ED6C8.38965A08@mantruc.com> Message-ID: <3D2ED750.578F0515@mantruc.com> .... never mind, mail filters betrayed me, i like isaac's and martin's edits From roselli@earthlink.net Fri Jul 12 14:23:19 2002 From: roselli@earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 09:23:19 -0400 Subject: [Marketing] embroidery tape Message-ID: <200207121323.g6CDNXNf023579@leo.evolt.org> do we still have the logo as an embroidery pattern somewhere? if so, who's got it? if not, what was the cost to create it? -- Read the evolt.org case study Usability: The Site Speaks for Itself http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1904151035/evoltorg ISBN: 1904151035 From martin.p.burns@uk.pwcglobal.com Fri Jul 12 14:25:52 2002 From: martin.p.burns@uk.pwcglobal.com (martin.p.burns@uk.pwcglobal.com) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:25:52 +0100 Subject: [Marketing] embroidery tape Message-ID: Memo from Martin P Burns of PricewaterhouseCoopers -------------------- Start of message text -------------------- Yes we do Should still be with Chris Cost was about $100 iirc Martin Please respond to marketing@lists.evolt.org Sent by: marketing-admin@lists.evolt.org To: marketing@lists.evolt.org cc: Subject: [Marketing] embroidery tape do we still have the logo as an embroidery pattern somewhere? if so, who's got it? if not, what was the cost to create it? -- Read the evolt.org case study Usability: The Site Speaks for Itself http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1904151035/evoltorg ISBN: 1904151035 --- evolt.org Marketing list marketing@lists.evolt.org Archive: http://lists.evolt.org/marketingarchive/ --------------------- End of message text -------------------- This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. _________________________________________________________________ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From hblair@hotfootmail.com Sun Jul 14 02:00:15 2002 From: hblair@hotfootmail.com (Hugh Blair) Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 20:00:15 -0500 Subject: [Marketing] Withdrawing Group membership Message-ID: Hi folks, Clean-up weekend - and I find that I'm listed on too many evolt.org Structure groups. Decisions are hard, but I've decided that it's best that I withdraw from the Marketing Group. That doesn't mean that I'm not here to help if asked - just ask. Someone needs to modify the wiki page and remove my name. Thanks. Continue on... -- Hugh From luminosity@members.evolt.org Sun Jul 14 05:34:49 2002 From: luminosity@members.evolt.org (Lachlan Cannon) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 14:34:49 +1000 Subject: [Marketing] Withdrawing Group membership References: Message-ID: <3D30FF69.40503@members.evolt.org> Hugh Blair wrote: > Clean-up weekend - and I find that I'm listed on too many > evolt.org Structure groups. Decisions are hard, but I've > decided that it's best that I withdraw from the > Marketing Group. That doesn't mean that I'm not here to help > if asked - just ask. Sorry to see you go, Hugh. > Someone needs to modify the wiki page and remove my name. > Thanks. I'm having trouble with the wiki right now. Will do as soon as Martin can solve the problem. -- Lach __________________________________________ http://members.evolt.org/luminosity/ MSN: luminosity @ members.evolt.org __________________________________________ From joel@spinhead.com Mon Jul 15 14:52:19 2002 From: joel@spinhead.com (Joel Canfield) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 06:52:19 -0700 Subject: [Marketing] fund drive idea Message-ID: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Just off the top of my head: I'd like to really get people's attention to kick this off, if it's decided to go down this road. I was thinking of some kind of simulated site-hijacking (or turn the whole thing into a pink and mauve tribute to some girls's Barbie collection), with the overall theme of 'this is what could happen if we don't come up with funds.' joel From dave@members.evolt.org Tue Jul 16 06:23:13 2002 From: dave@members.evolt.org (dave mclean) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 23:23:13 -0600 Subject: [Marketing] fund drive idea In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 2002.07.15 07:52, Joel Canfield wrote: > I was thinking of some > kind of simulated site-hijacking (or turn the whole thing into a pink and > mauve tribute to some girls's Barbie collection), with the overall theme of > 'this is what could happen if we don't come up with funds.' Sounds like a ransom note idea... hmmm.... very interesting, but is it holding a gun to their heads? -d ____ damclean 403.708.6215 dave@members.evolt.org evolt.org member since: 1998 From joel@spinhead.com Tue Jul 16 14:39:03 2002 From: joel@spinhead.com (Joel Canfield) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 06:39:03 -0700 Subject: [Marketing] fund drive idea Message-ID: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > > I was thinking of some > > kind of simulated site-hijacking (or turn the whole thing > into a pink > > and mauve tribute to some girls's Barbie collection), with > the overall > > theme of 'this is what could happen if we don't come up with funds.' > > Sounds like a ransom note idea... hmmm.... very interesting, > but is it holding a gun to their heads? > > -d A consideration, to be sure. We would want it to be fun and non-threatening; just 'in your face' enough to be sure it gets attention. joel From martin.p.burns@uk.pwcglobal.com Tue Jul 16 14:45:58 2002 From: martin.p.burns@uk.pwcglobal.com (martin.p.burns@uk.pwcglobal.com) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 14:45:58 +0100 Subject: [Marketing] fund drive idea Message-ID: Memo from Martin P Burns of PricewaterhouseCoopers -------------------- Start of message text -------------------- Remember the old WebMonkey "redesigns" they used for specific one-off campaigns? Martin Subject: RE: [Marketing] fund drive idea -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > > I was thinking of some > > kind of simulated site-hijacking (or turn the whole thing > into a pink > > and mauve tribute to some girls's Barbie collection), with > the overall > > theme of 'this is what could happen if we don't come up with funds.' > > Sounds like a ransom note idea... hmmm.... very interesting, > but is it holding a gun to their heads? > > -d A consideration, to be sure. We would want it to be fun and non-threatening; just 'in your face' enough to be sure it gets attention --------------------- End of message text -------------------- This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. _________________________________________________________________ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From isaac@members.evolt.org Wed Jul 17 01:32:02 2002 From: isaac@members.evolt.org (isaac) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:02:02 +0930 Subject: [Marketing] fund drive idea In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Remember the old WebMonkey "redesigns" they used for specific one-off > campaigns? That's a good idea. I'll mock something up sometime soon. From martin@easyweb.co.uk Fri Jul 19 20:53:29 2002 From: martin@easyweb.co.uk (martin burns) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 20:53:29 +0100 Subject: [Marketing] Re: financing (was: [Thef**um] Dan: evolt.org domain stuff) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20020719205013.01d66ab8@mull> At 19:14 19/07/2002, Marlene Bruce wrote: >>Wall of recognition recognises all those who gave, regardless of the amount >>they gave. > >If we do this, I think we should start just by recognizing everyone >who doesn't mind, all on the same level, for giving what they could >(regardless of amount). But there's still the problem of determining >if they mind (without me writing each one and asking, which could get >unwieldy if lots of people donate). "Thankyou blah blah - we'd like to show our appreciation by puting your name with the list of the other people who keep evolt running at http://evolt.org/donors. If you'd rather remain anonymous, that's fine too. Just let me know by $DATE+1week." >Sounds tricky, especially when I don't often know where people live >when they donate (not always captured info through PayPal). Perhaps >just getting up a page of recognition is all we need in the short >term. Short term, fine. We will get better results with tiering, though. Cheers Martin ________________ Martin Burns tel: +44 (0)774 063 9985 http://www.easyweb.co.uk/ From webguru@vsnl.net Fri Jul 19 20:59:25 2002 From: webguru@vsnl.net (Madhu Menon) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 01:29:25 +0530 Subject: [Marketing] Re: financing (was: [Thef**um] Dan: evolt.org domain stuff) In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20020719205013.01d66ab8@mull> References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020720012911.0366aea0@203.197.12.4> At 01:23 AM 7/20/2002, martin burns wrote: >We will get better results with tiering, though. What exactly do you mean by "tiering", Martin? Madhu From martin@easyweb.co.uk Fri Jul 19 20:59:26 2002 From: martin@easyweb.co.uk (martin burns) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 20:59:26 +0100 Subject: [Marketing] RE: financing (was: [Th*orum] Dan: evolt.org domain stuff) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20020719205820.01cf29f0@mull> At 19:44 19/07/2002, Marlene Bruce wrote: >Do we want to call it "Wall of Fame?" Somehow that doesn't sit right >with me. It makes me think of "Wall of Shame." "Heroes of evolt.org" (reminds me of "Women of Enron") "evolt.org angels" I know we can do better... Martin ________________ Martin Burns tel: +44 (0)774 063 9985 http://www.easyweb.co.uk/ From martin@easyweb.co.uk Fri Jul 19 21:08:22 2002 From: martin@easyweb.co.uk (martin burns) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 21:08:22 +0100 Subject: [Marketing] Re: financing (was: [Thef**um] Dan: evolt.org domain stuff) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020720012911.0366aea0@203.197.12.4> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20020719205013.01d66ab8@mull> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20020719210609.01d4a1b0@mull> At 20:59 19/07/2002, Madhu Menon wrote: >At 01:23 AM 7/20/2002, martin burns wrote: >>We will get better results with tiering, though. > >What exactly do you mean by "tiering", Martin? Simplistic example with uncreative as hell labels: Cherubs: everyone who gives Seraphs: donors who give between $20 and $50 in a year Angels: Donors who give between $50 and $100 in a year Arch-angels: Donors who give over $100 a year Cheers Martin ________________ Martin Burns tel: +44 (0)774 063 9985 http://www.easyweb.co.uk/ From marlene@members.evolt.org Fri Jul 19 21:48:39 2002 From: marlene@members.evolt.org (Marlene Bruce) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 13:48:39 -0700 Subject: [Marketing] Re: financing (was: [Thef**um] Dan: evolt.org domain stuff) In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20020719210609.01d4a1b0@mull> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20020719205013.01d66ab8@mull> <5.1.1.6.0.20020719210609.01d4a1b0@mull> Message-ID: >Cherubs: everyone who gives >Seraphs: donors who give between $20 and $50 in a year >Angels: Donors who give between $50 and $100 in a year >Arch-angels: Donors who give over $100 a year Aw, isn't that cute! Marlene From martin@easyweb.co.uk Tue Jul 30 11:02:00 2002 From: martin@easyweb.co.uk (Martin Burns) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 11:02:00 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Marketing] Re: [Ssadmin] Re: [Teforum] Re: Downtime q In-Reply-To: <0bcb01c237af$810de090$6502a8c0@local.zensoft.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Jul 2002, William Anderson wrote: > ---- Original Message ---- > From: "Joel Canfield" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 7:45 AM > Subject: RE: [Sysadmin] Re: [Theforum] Re: Downtime q > > > > of course, if someone wants to make a nice, pretty page, I > > > would appreciate the help. I am busy for the next few days. > > > > Here's a start > > > > http://spinhead.com/evolt/index.html > > nice - i've furthered it a bit more ... > > http://neuro.me.uk/projects/evolt.org/downtime/ > Looks good. Marketing'll give it the once over and then we should be good to go. Cheers Martin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Also starring in fine email | "Names, once they are in common use, quickly productions such as | become mere sounds, their etymology being martin@easyweb.co.uk | buried, like so many of the earth's marvels, martin.p.burns@uk.pwcglobal.com | beneath the dust of habit." - Salman Rushdie From webguru@vsnl.net Tue Jul 30 11:29:09 2002 From: webguru@vsnl.net (Madhu Menon) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 15:59:09 +0530 Subject: [Marketing] Re: [Ssadmin] Re: [Teforum] Re: Downtime q In-Reply-To: References: <0bcb01c237af$810de090$6502a8c0@local.zensoft.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020730155043.024f8ae0@203.197.12.4> At 03:32 PM 30-07-02, Martin Burns wrote: >Looks good. > >Marketing'll give it the once over and then we should be good to go. This looks good. Change the title to sentence case and that's it. Make it so. A pretty cartoon here would've been a nice touch. Anyone here good at that? Regards, Madhu <<< * >>> Madhu Menon User Experience Consultant e-mail: webguru@vsnl.net From webguru@vsnl.net Tue Jul 30 11:29:09 2002 From: webguru@vsnl.net (Madhu Menon) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 15:59:09 +0530 Subject: [Marketing] Re: [Ssadmin] Re: [Teforum] Re: Downtime q In-Reply-To: References: <0bcb01c237af$810de090$6502a8c0@local.zensoft.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020730155043.024f8ae0@203.197.12.4> At 03:32 PM 30-07-02, Martin Burns wrote: >Looks good. > >Marketing'll give it the once over and then we should be good to go. This looks good. Change the title to sentence case and that's it. Make it so. A pretty cartoon here would've been a nice touch. Anyone here good at that? Regards, Madhu <<< * >>> Madhu Menon User Experience Consultant e-mail: webguru@vsnl.net From luminosity@members.evolt.org Tue Jul 30 12:12:30 2002 From: luminosity@members.evolt.org (Lachlan Cannon) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 21:12:30 +1000 Subject: [Marketing] Re: [Ssadmin] Re: [Teforum] Re: Downtime q References: Message-ID: <3D46749E.20704@members.evolt.org> Martin Burns wrote: >>http://neuro.me.uk/projects/evolt.org/downtime/ >> > > > Looks good. > > Marketing'll give it the once over and then we should be good to go. The actual copy looks fine to me -- I don't understand why it's being served in the template still though? Why not just slap the background colour behind the article and put a large logo next to it, for example? It drives home the point that normal services are down. (like what k10k did while they were down for example). -- Lach __________________________________________ http://members.evolt.org/luminosity/ MSN: luminosity @ members.evolt.org __________________________________________ From martin@easyweb.co.uk Tue Jul 30 12:20:24 2002 From: martin@easyweb.co.uk (Martin Burns) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 12:20:24 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Marketing] Re: [Ssadmin] Re: [Teforum] Re: Downtime q In-Reply-To: <3D46749E.20704@members.evolt.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Jul 2002, Lachlan Cannon wrote: > Martin Burns wrote: > > >>http://neuro.me.uk/projects/evolt.org/downtime/ > >> > > > > > > Looks good. > > > > Marketing'll give it the once over and then we should be good to go. > > The actual copy looks fine to me -- I don't understand why it's being > served in the template still though? Why not just slap the background > colour behind the article and put a large logo next to it, for example? > It drives home the point that normal services are down. (like what k10k > did while they were down for example). Yeah, 's a good idea (article bg colour - the light green - not the page bg colour though) Cheers Martin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Also starring in fine email | "Names, once they are in common use, quickly productions such as | become mere sounds, their etymology being martin@easyweb.co.uk | buried, like so many of the earth's marvels, martin.p.burns@uk.pwcglobal.com | beneath the dust of habit." - Salman Rushdie From roselli@earthlink.net Tue Jul 30 14:24:43 2002 From: roselli@earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 09:24:43 -0400 Subject: [Marketing] Re: [Ssadmin] Re: [Teforum] Re: Downtime q In-Reply-To: References: <3D46749E.20704@members.evolt.org> Message-ID: <200207301329.g6UDTqNf020490@leo.evolt.org> > From: Martin Burns [...] > Yeah, 's a good idea (article bg colour - the light green - not the > page bg colour though) +1 this looks more like an announcement that we've gone away... -- Read the evolt.org case study Usability: The Site Speaks for Itself http://amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1904151035/evoltorg02-20 ISBN: 1904151035 From martin@easyweb.co.uk Tue Jul 30 22:37:38 2002 From: martin@easyweb.co.uk (Martin Burns) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 22:37:38 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Marketing] Re: [Thforum] Downtime holding page (fwd) Message-ID: Didn't seem to go through before... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 20:08:02 +0100 (BST) From: Martin Burns To: marketing@lists.evolt.org Subject: Re: [Thforum] Downtime holding page On Tue, 30 Jul 2002, javier velasco wrote: > ops. now we have three versions :P > > i, for one like the first one best Wanna see them in context? http://www.easyweb.co.uk/evolt/moving.html Assuming that whichever image we pick will go in the 1st para. Cheers Martin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Also starring in fine email | "Names, once they are in common use, quickly productions such as | become mere sounds, their etymology being martin@easyweb.co.uk | buried, like so many of the earth's marvels, martin.p.burns@uk.pwcglobal.com | beneath the dust of habit." - Salman Rushdie From martin@easyweb.co.uk Tue Jul 30 20:08:02 2002 From: martin@easyweb.co.uk (Martin Burns) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 20:08:02 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Marketing] Re: [Thforum] Downtime holding page In-Reply-To: <3D46B54D.668D8099@mantruc.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Jul 2002, javier velasco wrote: > ops. now we have three versions :P > > i, for one like the first one best Wanna see them in context? http://www.easyweb.co.uk/evolt/moving.html Assuming that whichever image we pick will go in the 1st para. Cheers Martin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Also starring in fine email | "Names, once they are in common use, quickly productions such as | become mere sounds, their etymology being martin@easyweb.co.uk | buried, like so many of the earth's marvels, martin.p.burns@uk.pwcglobal.com | beneath the dust of habit." - Salman Rushdie From marlene@members.evolt.org Tue Jul 30 22:51:09 2002 From: marlene@members.evolt.org (Marlene Bruce) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 14:51:09 -0700 Subject: [Marketing] Downtime q In-Reply-To: <200207301329.g6UDTqNf020490@leo.evolt.org> References: <3D46749E.20704@members.evolt.org> <200207301329.g6UDTqNf020490@leo.evolt.org> Message-ID: Hi guys, Perhaps we should change the last sentence, which is currently: "If you're able to help, or you've got any questions, drop a note to sysadmin@lists.evolt.org." ... to ... "If you're able to help, or you've got any questions, drop a note to info@lists.evolt.org." ... and make the link mailto. Then again won't our mail be down too? Won't people who write just get a bounce or "being held" message? Should we maybe change the last sentence to something like: "We'll tell you more about this idea once our site and email are back up. At that point we'll be happy to answer your questions and discuss volunteer possibilities." Cheers, Marlene From joel@spinhead.com Tue Jul 30 18:48:32 2002 From: joel@spinhead.com (Joel Canfield) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:48:32 -0700 Subject: [Marketing] Definitive statement why a link is not an article (was RE: [Conte nt] Article Alert - Using XML with PHP without touching your server) Message-ID: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > > Me, I druther deny now, unless we think we'll choose to set the > > precedent that, under certain circs, links *are* articles. > > I don't think there is any doubt that the end result is going > to be a denial, but I'd like us to thrash it out anyway. Not > only because I think this is a precedant that is worth > talking about, but also because I'm crap at writing the kind > of rejection letter this will require and will probably need > a hand with it. Let's get a marketing folk to create the definitive evolt.org stance on 'why a link isn't an article' and just refer/copy-paste/whatever I'm dirt at *most* kinds of rejection letter. My only hope is the bear-in-the-back-room technique. joel From marlene@members.evolt.org Tue Jul 30 23:37:18 2002 From: marlene@members.evolt.org (Marlene Bruce) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 15:37:18 -0700 Subject: [Marketing] Re: [Thforum] Downtime holding page In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >Wanna see them in context? >http://www.easyweb.co.uk/evolt/moving.html Apparently Mozilla 1 (Mac) doesn't support PNG (but of course, IE 5.5 does). I like the middle or bottom ones best, though whichever one we choose should be re-optimized by the originator (they're starting to look a little jaggy). Cheers, Marlene From webguru@vsnl.net Wed Jul 31 06:02:44 2002 From: webguru@vsnl.net (Madhu Menon) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:32:44 +0530 Subject: [Marketing] Re: [Content] Definitive statement why a link is not an article In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020731102603.02da7020@203.197.12.4> At 11:18 PM 30-07-02, Joel Canfield wrote: >Let's get a marketing folk to create the definitive evolt.org stance on 'why >a link isn't an article' and just refer/copy-paste/whatever > >I'm dirt at *most* kinds of rejection letter. My only hope is the >bear-in-the-back-room technique. This doesn't need to be so hard. OK, here goes: Hello [person], Thanks for submitting your article to evolt.org. We're sorry that we can't accept links to other articles on our site. If you'd like to copy your original article and submit it in its entirety, we'd be happy to consider it. Please let us know if you have any questions. Regards, [me/you/whoever] Don't you think that will suffice? <<< * >>> Madhu Menon User Experience Consultant e-mail: webguru@vsnl.net From lists@mantruc.com Wed Jul 31 14:12:48 2002 From: lists@mantruc.com (javier velasco) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 09:12:48 -0400 Subject: [Marketing] Re: [Content] Definitive statement why a link is not anarticle References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020731102603.02da7020@203.197.12.4> Message-ID: <3D47E250.69EC784B@mantruc.com> Madhu Menon wrote: > > At 11:18 PM 30-07-02, Joel Canfield wrote: > >Let's get a marketing folk to create the definitive evolt.org stance on 'why > >a link isn't an article' and just refer/copy-paste/whatever > > > >I'm dirt at *most* kinds of rejection letter. My only hope is the > >bear-in-the-back-room technique. > > This doesn't need to be so hard. > > OK, here goes: > > Hello [person], > > Thanks for submitting your article to evolt.org. We're sorry that we can't > accept links to other articles on our site. If you'd like to copy your > original article and submit it in its entirety, we'd be happy to consider it. > > Please let us know if you have any questions. > > Regards, > > [me/you/whoever] IMO it should be *us*, as in evolt.org > Don't you think that will suffice? yes it will, thanks Mad