From elfur at elfur.is Mon Apr 7 16:26:37 2003 From: elfur at elfur.is (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Elfur_Logad=F3ttir?=) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 15:26:37 -0000 Subject: [Marketing] RE: [thelist] What!? No t-shirt! [supporting evolt] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001301c2fd1a$14ab8fc0$e90214ac@lapelfur> .| From: Bill Haenel .| .| > I don't mind paying an extra .| > few dollars for an item that will support something I use .| and enjoy - and an item that is cool :) .| .| Ditto. How do we get it rolling and who does it? this has to be done with cooperation of finance and marketing, but please, any and all interested in getting the ball running please knock on their doors, (the list address' are included as a cc to this post[1]) Marlene (our treasurer) needs to have some of her fingers on this, since she's controlling all evolt.org cash flow. so: I urge you to keep the ball rolling (we've intended to do this in the past) and make sure this goes all the way. [1] There might be some kind of restrictions to posting to those lists, i'm not sure, but please let's make sure it doesn't die yet another time. thanks elfur From martin at easyweb.co.uk Mon Apr 7 16:37:15 2003 From: martin at easyweb.co.uk (Martin Burns) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 16:37:15 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Marketing] RE: [thelist] What!? No t-shirt! [supporting evolt] In-Reply-To: <001301c2fd1a$14ab8fc0$e90214ac@lapelfur> Message-ID: On Mon, 7 Apr 2003, Elfur Logad=F3ttir wrote: > .| From: Bill Haenel > .| > .| > I don't mind paying an extra > .| > few dollars for an item that will support something I use > .| and enjoy - and an item that is cool :) > .| > .| Ditto. How do we get it rolling and who does it? > > this has to be done with cooperation of finance and marketing, but > please, any and all interested in getting the ball running please knock > on their doors, (the list address' are included as a cc to this post[1]) Being on both groups, I'll combine hats and ask the essential question: If you would buy an evolt shirt at a price that would actually financially support evolt, could you please email me and suggest how much you would be happy paying, excluding delivery. Note that this doesn't commit you to actually buying one (although you will be encouraged to!). The only design-downside I can see to cafepress is you can't print white onto a black shirt. Cheers Martin --=20 "Names, once they are in common use, quickly become mere sounds, their etymology being buried, like so many of the earth's marvels, beneath the dust of habit." - Salman Rushdie From elfur at elfur.is Mon Apr 7 16:26:37 2003 From: elfur at elfur.is (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Elfur_Logad=F3ttir?=) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 15:26:37 -0000 Subject: [Marketing] RE: [thelist] What!? No t-shirt! [supporting evolt] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001301c2fd1a$14ab8fc0$e90214ac@lapelfur> | From: Bill Haenel | | > I don't mind paying an extra | > few dollars for an item that will support something I use | and enjoy - and an item that is cool :) | | Ditto. How do we get it rolling and who does it? this has to be done with cooperation of finance and marketing, but please, any and all interested in getting the ball running please knock on their doors, (the list address' are included as a cc to this post[1]) Marlene (our treasurer) needs to have some of her fingers on this, since she's controlling all evolt.org cash flow. so: I urge you to keep the ball rolling (we've intended to do this in the past) and make sure this goes all the way. [1] There might be some kind of restrictions to posting to those lists, i'm not sure, but please let's make sure it doesn't die yet another time. thanks elfur -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From martin at easyweb.co.uk Mon Apr 7 16:37:15 2003 From: martin at easyweb.co.uk (Martin Burns) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 16:37:15 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Marketing] RE: [thelist] What!? No t-shirt! [supporting evolt] In-Reply-To: <001301c2fd1a$14ab8fc0$e90214ac@lapelfur> Message-ID: On Mon, 7 Apr 2003, Elfur Logad=F3ttir wrote: > .| From: Bill Haenel > .| > .| > I don't mind paying an extra > .| > few dollars for an item that will support something I use > .| and enjoy - and an item that is cool :) > .| > .| Ditto. How do we get it rolling and who does it? > > this has to be done with cooperation of finance and marketing, but > please, any and all interested in getting the ball running please knock > on their doors, (the list address' are included as a cc to this post[1]) Being on both groups, I'll combine hats and ask the essential question: If you would buy an evolt shirt at a price that would actually financially support evolt, could you please email me and suggest how much you would be happy paying, excluding delivery. Note that this doesn't commit you to actually buying one (although you will be encouraged to!). The only design-downside I can see to cafepress is you can't print white onto a black shirt. Cheers Martin --=20 "Names, once they are in common use, quickly become mere sounds, their etymology being buried, like so many of the earth's marvels, beneath the dust of habit." - Salman Rushdie -- * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From martin at easyweb.co.uk Tue Apr 8 08:38:16 2003 From: martin at easyweb.co.uk (Martin Burns) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 08:38:16 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Marketing] Market Research 1st results Message-ID: Here's what people have sent me. Where there was a range (eg "I'd pay $20-$25), I've taken the lower figure. Prices in USD & GBP and exclude delivery Shirts: $25 $30 $20 $20 $13 $25 =C2=A315 $20 Mugs: $20 $10 Hats: =C2=A310 $25 Based on that, I'd suggest that it's worth a go, and that prices look like $20 for shirts, $12 for mugs and $15 for hats, *but* that needs correlating against a) What the cost would be for each item b) for hats and mugs, what other people are charging. Most people are assuming that the $stuff would be equivalently cool as ThinkGeek. Marketing - Designs! I suggest the old tagwear ones would be a good thing. So: Shirts: (orange and lime shirts only) Mugs: (now drinking in XHTML) (I still think the coolest thing ThinkGeek ever did was the caffeine molecule stuff: http://www.thinkgeek.com/caffeine/accessories/5837/ ) All with logos of course. Can't remember what we thought of for hats, except that would be A Bad Thing. We could also add a few other ones, like Powered by evolt.org or 'stupid clients' ones like some of these: http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/frustrations/388b/ http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/frustrations/595d/ http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/frustrations/5765/ or standards-compliance ones: Works in any browser Works best with software with a bunch of browser logos and the beo url Cheers Martin --=20 "Names, once they are in common use, quickly become mere sounds, their etymology being buried, like so many of the earth's marvels, beneath the dust of habit." - Salman Rushdie From martin at easyweb.co.uk Tue Apr 8 08:57:10 2003 From: martin at easyweb.co.uk (Martin Burns) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 08:57:10 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Marketing] Market Research 1st results In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 8 Apr 2003, Martin Burns wrote: > Based on that, I'd suggest that it's worth a go, and that prices look > like $20 for shirts, $12 for mugs and $15 for hats, *but* that needs > correlating against > a) What the cost would be for each item Prices to us are at http://www.cafepress.com/cp/info/help/pricing.aspx Working on the assumption that we're not going to sell >20 of any items, we'd be paying: white tshirts: $13.99 womens tshirts: $13.99 mug: $10.99 baseball cap: $12.99 I'd also like to suggest: http://www.cafepress.com/cp/info/products/productdetail.aspx?prodtypeno=73 http://www.cafepress.com/cp/info/products/productdetail.aspx?prodtypeno=1 http://www.cafepress.com/cp/info/products/productdetail.aspx?prodtypeno=45 http://www.cafepress.com/cp/info/products/productdetail.aspx?prodtypeno=6 Cheers Martin -- "Names, once they are in common use, quickly become mere sounds, their etymology being buried, like so many of the earth's marvels, beneath the dust of habit." - Salman Rushdie From martin at easyweb.co.uk Tue Apr 8 13:38:13 2003 From: martin at easyweb.co.uk (Martin Burns) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 13:38:13 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Marketing] RE: [Finance] Market Research 1st results In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 8 Apr 2003, John Handelaar wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: finance-bounces@lists.evolt.org > > [mailto:finance-bounces@lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Martin Burns > > Sent: 08 April 2003 08:38 > > To: marketing@lists.evolt.org; finance@lists.evolt.org > > Subject: [Finance] Market Research 1st results > > > > Cheers > > You want like I should ask The Register if they > want to do them? I mean, they want to do Tshirts > for *Cliterati*, they may well be interested in > this too. 1) Is there a minimum order? 2) What's the upfront cost? 3) What's the printing restriction? (front/back/sleeves/colours of shirt/ink) 4) How fast could it be put together? Cheers Martin > -- "Names, once they are in common use, quickly become mere sounds, their etymology being buried, like so many of the earth's marvels, beneath the dust of habit." - Salman Rushdie From martin at easyweb.co.uk Tue Apr 8 14:24:31 2003 From: martin at easyweb.co.uk (Martin Burns) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 14:24:31 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Marketing] Swag - jfdi In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Based on a positive set of results, and that cafepress was suggested by members *and* when we talked about this in steering back in February with no dissent, http://lists.evolt.org/steeringarchive/2003-February/000269.html http://lists.evolt.org/steeringarchive/2003-February/000270.html http://lists.evolt.org/steeringarchive/2003-February/000279.html I've set up a cafepress account (Marlene, we'll work out the paypal details) I suggest we start selling mugs right away, and wait on shirts until John's talked to thereg Marketing, if you want something better than I'll come up with, come up with something better. Very, very soon. Cheers Martin -- "Names, once they are in common use, quickly become mere sounds, their etymology being buried, like so many of the earth's marvels, beneath the dust of habit." - Salman Rushdie From martin at easyweb.co.uk Tue Apr 8 14:33:20 2003 From: martin at easyweb.co.uk (Martin Burns) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 14:33:20 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Marketing] Re: [Finance] Swag - jfdi In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 8 Apr 2003, Martin Burns wrote: > Based on a positive set of results, and that cafepress was suggested > by members *and* when we talked about this in steering back in > February with no dissent, > http://lists.evolt.org/steeringarchive/2003-February/000269.html > http://lists.evolt.org/steeringarchive/2003-February/000270.html > http://lists.evolt.org/steeringarchive/2003-February/000279.html > > I've set up a cafepress account > (Marlene, we'll work out the paypal details) Looks like we already had one from *waaaay* back: http://www.cafeshops.com/evolt but I don't know what the account is or where the cash goes. Sounds like the situation with our Amazon associates id. I've set up a new one: http://www.cafeshops.com/evoltorg Cheers Martin -- "Names, once they are in common use, quickly become mere sounds, their etymology being buried, like so many of the earth's marvels, beneath the dust of habit." - Salman Rushdie From pixelmech at yahoo.com Mon Apr 7 16:42:09 2003 From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 08:42:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Marketing] RE: [thelist] What!? No t-shirt! [supporting evolt] In-Reply-To: <001301c2fd1a$14ab8fc0$e90214ac@lapelfur> Message-ID: <20030407154209.98235.qmail@web12602.mail.yahoo.com> Hello, If you haven't noticed the posts, I brought up the idea of doing some t-shirts, mugs, etc through cafepress.com to help support evolt - and so I can buy a new geeky t-shirt ;). I've offered my services to implement the ideas the list comes up with and provide the artwork to upload. The only thing evolt 'officials' would have to do is set up the store at cafepress (free) and upload the artwork (or have me do it with a password) and set the pricing - and of course collect the profits! There is no charges for using the services. Let me know if this is okay - the ball is rolling on thelist... Tom ===== http://www.pixelmech.com/ var me = tom.pixelmech.webDeveloper(); http://www.maccaws.com/ [Making A Commercial Case for Adopting Web Standards] "That's not art, that's just annoying." -- Squidward __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From pixelmech at yahoo.com Mon Apr 7 16:42:38 2003 From: pixelmech at yahoo.com (Tom Dell'Aringa) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 08:42:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Marketing] RE: [thelist] What!? No t-shirt! [supporting evolt] In-Reply-To: <001301c2fd1a$14ab8fc0$e90214ac@lapelfur> Message-ID: <20030407154238.19230.qmail@web12604.mail.yahoo.com> --- Elfur_Logadóttir wrote: > this has to be done with cooperation of finance and marketing, but > please, any and all interested in getting the ball running please > knock > on their doors, (the list address' are included as a cc to this > post[1]) I've sent an email their way. Tom ===== http://www.pixelmech.com/ var me = tom.pixelmech.webDeveloper(); http://www.maccaws.com/ [Making A Commercial Case for Adopting Web Standards] "That's not art, that's just annoying." -- Squidward __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From rob.smith at THERMON.com Mon Apr 7 16:41:15 2003 From: rob.smith at THERMON.com (Rob Smith) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 10:41:15 -0500 Subject: [Marketing] RE: [thelist] What!? No t-shirt! [supporting evolt] Message-ID: <0CEC8258A6E4D611BE5400306E1CC9271E493A@smtmb.tmc.local> Agreed. This would make me want to donate. .jeff once told me a of a totally geeky tee-shirt. black with white writing. "" on the front, "" on the back. Put the evolt = logo just below the "" and you're all set. I dig that idea lots. A great way to up the geek quotient on any shirt = is to offer it in some color other than black or white. Might I suggest = orange with white block letters. -jacques :) There has been a great deal of support for this idea, Please open the Evolt.org Store. Let us know when its open! Rob.Smith -----Original Message----- From: Elfur Logad=F3ttir [mailto:elfur@elfur.is] Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 10:27 AM To: thelist@lists.evolt.org Cc: marketing@lists.evolt.org; finance@lists.evolt.org Subject: RE: [thelist] What!? No t-shirt! [supporting evolt] .| From: Bill Haenel .|=20 .| > I don't mind paying an extra .| > few dollars for an item that will support something I use=20 .| and enjoy - and an item that is cool :) .|=20 .| Ditto. How do we get it rolling and who does it? this has to be done with cooperation of finance and marketing, but please, any and all interested in getting the ball running please knock on their doors, (the list address' are included as a cc to this = post[1]) Marlene (our treasurer) needs to have some of her fingers on this, = since she's controlling all evolt.org cash flow. so: I urge you to keep the ball rolling (we've intended to do this in the past) and make sure this goes all the way. [1] There might be some kind of restrictions to posting to those lists, i'm not sure, but please let's make sure it doesn't die yet another time. thanks elfur --=20 * * Please support the community that supports you. * * http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester=20 and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org=20 Workers of the Web, evolt !=20 From emmajane at xtrinsic.com Mon Apr 7 17:26:54 2003 From: emmajane at xtrinsic.com (Emma Jane Hogbin) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 12:26:54 -0400 Subject: [Marketing] Re: [thelist] What!? No t-shirt! [supporting evolt] In-Reply-To: References: <001301c2fd1a$14ab8fc0$e90214ac@lapelfur> Message-ID: <20030407162654.GD1660@debian> On Mon, Apr 07, 2003 at 04:37:15PM +0100, Martin Burns wrote: > Being on both groups, I'll combine hats and ask the essential question: > If you would buy an evolt shirt at a price that would actually financially > support evolt, could you please email me and suggest how much you would > be happy paying, excluding delivery. Note that this doesn't commit you to > actually buying one (although you will be encouraged to!). I wouldn't buy a t-shirt but I am willing to pay a ridiculous amount for mugs. I'd be willing to pay $20-25 USD before shipping for a mug. (Must be the large mug though.) At least that's a ridiculous amount after the dollar conversion and shipping...to compare: it would buy me 4-5 pounds of organic coffee beans. emma -- Emma Jane Hogbin [[ 416 417 2868 ][ www.xtrinsic.com ]] From scott at enteractiontv.com Mon Apr 7 18:04:27 2003 From: scott at enteractiontv.com (Scott Harman) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 18:04:27 +0100 Subject: [Marketing] RE: [thelist] What!? No t-shirt! [supporting evolt] Message-ID: I'd be keen for tags at 10 quid for hat and 13 quid for t-shirt. White text on black - or even green text on black in dot-matrix font ;) (Binary code has been done, and done well by thinkgeek.com) Scotty -----Original Message----- From: Martin Burns [mailto:martin@easyweb.co.uk]=20 Sent: 07 April 2003 16:37 To: finance@lists.evolt.org Cc: thelist@lists.evolt.org; marketing@lists.evolt.org Subject: RE: [thelist] What!? No t-shirt! [supporting evolt] On Mon, 7 Apr 2003, Elfur Logad=F3ttir wrote: > .| From: Bill Haenel > .| > .| > I don't mind paying an extra > .| > few dollars for an item that will support something I use .| and=20 > enjoy - and an item that is cool :) .| > .| Ditto. How do we get it rolling and who does it? > > this has to be done with cooperation of finance and marketing, but=20 > please, any and all interested in getting the ball running please=20 > knock on their doors, (the list address' are included as a cc to this=20 > post[1]) Being on both groups, I'll combine hats and ask the essential question: = If you would buy an evolt shirt at a price that would actually = financially support evolt, could you please email me and suggest how = much you would be happy paying, excluding delivery. Note that this = doesn't commit you to actually buying one (although you will be = encouraged to!). The only design-downside I can see to cafepress is you can't print white = onto a black shirt. Cheers Martin --=20 "Names, once they are in common use, quickly become mere sounds, their etymology being buried, like so many of the earth's marvels, beneath the dust of habit." - Salman Rushdie --=20 * * Please support the community that supports you. * * = http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester=20 and archives of thelist go to: http://lists.evolt.org=20 Workers of the Web, evolt !=20 From chase at ontask.net Tue Apr 8 02:22:48 2003 From: chase at ontask.net (Lena Marianne Arvola) Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 20:22:48 -0500 Subject: [Marketing] Re: [thelist] What!? No t-shirt! [supporting evolt] References: Message-ID: <3E922468.4070403@ontask.net> > could you please email me and suggest how much you would > be happy paying, excluding delivery. $20.00-$25.00 From john at userfrenzy.com Tue Apr 8 13:24:05 2003 From: john at userfrenzy.com (John Handelaar) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 13:24:05 +0100 Subject: [Marketing] RE: [Finance] Market Research 1st results In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: finance-bounces@lists.evolt.org > [mailto:finance-bounces@lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Martin Burns > Sent: 08 April 2003 08:38 > To: marketing@lists.evolt.org; finance@lists.evolt.org > Subject: [Finance] Market Research 1st results > > Cheers You want like I should ask The Register if they want to do them? I mean, they want to do Tshirts for *Cliterati*, they may well be interested in this too. ------------------------------------------ John Handelaar T +44 20 8459 4923 M +44 7930 681789 F +44 870 169 7657 E john@userfrenzy.com ------------------------------------------ From martin.burns at uk.ibm.com Tue Apr 8 14:11:02 2003 From: martin.burns at uk.ibm.com (Martin Paul Burns) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 14:11:02 +0100 Subject: [Marketing] RE: [Finance] Market Research 1st results Message-ID: John Yes, talk to them, assuming that this is for shirts. I think we should set up a cafepress shop anyway for stuff they don't do, in particular mugs which we could/should do right now. Like this week. Kind regards Martin Burns ___ Martin Burns IBM Business Consulting Services Tel: +44 (0)774 063 9985 I'm on Sametime > -----Original Message----- > From: finance-bounces@lists.evolt.org > [mailto:finance-bounces@lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Martin Burns > Sent: 08 April 2003 13:38 > To: finance@lists.evolt.org > Cc: marketing@lists.evolt.org > Subject: RE: [Finance] Market Research 1st results > > > You want like I should ask The Register if they > > want to do them? I mean, they want to do Tshirts > > for *Cliterati*, they may well be interested in > > this too. Well, I asked if you want me to talk to them. I wasn't selling a service. But as I remember > 1) Is there a minimum order? They order them. > 2) What's the upfront cost? Theirs. > 3) What's the printing restriction? (front/back/sleeves/colours of > shirt/ink) Look at the Register shop... > 4) How fast could it be put together? No idea. Want me to talk to them? :-) ------------------------------------------ John Handelaar T +44 20 8459 4923 M +44 7930 681789 F +44 870 169 7657 E john@userfrenzy.com ------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Finance mailing list Finance@lists.evolt.org http://lists.evolt.org/mailman/listinfo/finance From david at gigawatt.com Sat Apr 12 04:07:30 2003 From: david at gigawatt.com (David Kaufman) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 23:07:30 -0400 Subject: [Marketing] Re: [thelist] What!? No t-shirt! [supporting evolt] References: Message-ID: <00d601c300a0$a8f67f80$89085243@dopey> Martin Burns wrote... > > Elfur Logadóttir wrote: >> this has to be done with cooperation of finance and marketing... > > Being on both groups, I'll combine hats and ask the essential > question: If you would buy an evolt shirt at a price that would > actually financially support evolt, could you please email me and > suggest how much you would be happy paying, excluding delivery. hi Martin, on the test site i went ahead and setup http://cafeshops.com/evoltgear/ i went ahead and set the prices to cafepress's "base price" plus $5.01 a few t-shirts, hats, baseball jerseys and a coffee mug have sold off of this [version .001 test] site :-) at those prices, so you can count that as 3 votes, including mine, that the ~$20 price point is an acceptable one. > The only design-downside I can see to cafepress is you can't print > white onto a black shirt. yes my favorite t-shirt color is black, flowed by a blue so dark as to be indiscernable from black... cafepress's products range from stark white to off-white :-) another limitation of their service (the free version, at least) is a bad one and completely contrived to drive sales of their premium service: i can only setup ONE image for each product! if i want a different image on the "small coffee mug", i have to remove the old image off the "small coffee mug". that means only *one* wise-cracking white t-shirt, one quip for the baseball jersey, one smart-ash-grey shirt, and we're fresh out of shirt product combinations (without delving into the much more expensive fleese products). this will not do. their "premium" store service removes this restriction, and also lets us actually *design* the html look and feel of the store (to what degree, i don't know) instead of just using their stock cookie-cutter catalog page. at $5-7/month (depending on whether you pay monthly or prepay a year) this is not too bad. -dave