[Finance] Re: [theforum] lists (was: We've got a serious problemhere at evolt.org)

[Martin Burns]

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On 15 May 2004, at 20:22, David Kaufman wrote:

> Martin Burns wrote:
>> On 14 May 2004, at 17:25, David Kaufman wrote:
>>
>> My mental arithmetic suggests something a bit over $1200. Over $2k
>> represents more security than we've ever had [...] We're currently
>> paying $100/month (+ TX tax), and have a terabyte of data a month
>> for that.
>
> by "we're paying" you mean you five are paying, for the "mate" RAQ
> server, right?

Yep

> wow, when did bandwidth become so cheap??

:-)

Started off as 400GB/month for that price and they kept upping the 
allocation. I don't think bandwidth is a constraining factor any more.

>> The current box *performance* is OK, but being a Cobalt Raq, it's ...
>
> crap.  yeah i know my company has an aging RAQ at our data center --
> they so suck.

If you're wanting to do anything but the thing they're designed for.

>>> what is the contingency plan if, a year later, we can't afford to
>>> continue to pay our way?
>>
>> Back to where we are now. But a year's security is better than we've
>> had before. Right now, William, GC, John and I can just say "screw you
>> guys" and turn it off tomorrow if we were so minded. Same with Jeff.
>> Because evolt.org isn't a paying customer, we have no SLAs and are
>> always at the risk of "We need to do this and sorry, but you are at
>> the bottom of the priority list and have no comeback" which is how we
>> left CSI.
>
> right.  i totally agree that the need is real.  do you five plan to 
> keep
> the raq online (as a beo mirror, as i think you mentioned was it's
> original purpose)?

Would think so, aye, as it also hosts a few personal projects. We may 
move elsewhere as there are better deals when we have time, but likely 
to have *a* box.

> one more nitpicky comment, though: need we buy the big $200/month one,
> though?  could we look into that cute little $79/month one with the
> little processor, just one disk and the same bandwidth?

Now I don't even play a member of sysadmin on TV, but my guess is that 
the $79/mo one would be fine for 'everything but weo', as it's a better 
specced box than the current one.

If there were any intention (and it would be A Good Thing imo) to 
integrate weo logins with list registrations/archive view permissions 
(say with ZMailboy http://zopewiki.org/ZMailboy), and therefore putting 
everything onto one box, then you're probably looking at a big box (or 
at least one with a big lump of RAM on).

Sysadmin's call in the end as to requirements, though

>   i mean, i like
> big iron as much as the next guy of course.  but i must make the
> suggestion in the interest of minimizing the burn rate...  i'd hate for
> evolt to be running low on cash a year from now, and have to look back
> and regret spending $2000 in 10 months that could have been $790...

With you on that. We should be able to get a (say) $129 box, but do a 
big RAM upgrade if/when required.

Cheers
Martin

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