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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Have you thought about <NOSCRIPT> ?</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Bob Filipiak</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>From: gregory.john.toland@census.gov</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 10:32 AM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>To: javascript@LaTech.edu</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Subject: RE: [Javascript] Browser Support for JavaScript</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>This IS for a government site, and I am more than aware of Section 508.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Section 508 does not say you cannot use javascript. It says if you use</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>javascript you must offer an alternative approach. Our "Browser Notice"</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>merely explains that, if possible, you use a browser that supports</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>javascript or you enable it (if you have it turned off). We say it will</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>make the visit more enjoyable. If this is not possible, we say we still</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>offer an alternative approach. Remember, the Browser Notice is seen by all</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>users. For those non-508 users they will be given notice that they should</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>use javascript. For those 508 users we have gone the extra effort to build</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>an alternative approach that still gives them the same data.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Ex.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2> We use an image map where a user (w/ javascript enabled) can click on</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>any state of the US. A Listing of all sites/counties of that particular</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>state pop up in a frame. This allows the user to click on any of the items</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>and get a data profile.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>(<A HREF="http://dev4.acs.census.gov/c2ss/www/Products/Profiles/2000/index.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://dev4.acs.census.gov/c2ss/www/Products/Profiles/2000/index.htm</A>).</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>For those users that are not using a javascript-enabled browser or for</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>those 508 users that are using software that do not support javascript we</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>have offered an alternative solution in the form of a table</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>(<A HREF="http://dev4.acs.census.gov/c2ss/www/Products/Profiles/2000/ARNS.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://dev4.acs.census.gov/c2ss/www/Products/Profiles/2000/ARNS.htm</A>).</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>I wanted the "Browser Notice" to display (among other items) a section on</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Javascript. This section would display a table of the major browsers and</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>what installed version of javascript they contained. Then, some</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>instructions on how to check whether JS was enabled or not. Sometimes JS</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>has become disabled (because they decided to go into "Internet Options"</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>(IE) one day and start selecting/deselecting items without knowing what</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>they were really doing). This Notice would be more for the newbies and not</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>for people like members of this list.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Gregory J Toland</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Sr. Systems Architect</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>CHM, Inc.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>(301) 457-8058</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>tolan002@census.gov</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2> "Jeff Howden" </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2> <jeff@c4webdesign To: <javascript@LaTech.edu> </FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2> 01/10/2002 09:46 </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2> AM </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2> Please respond to </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2> javascript </FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>gregory,</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> From: gregory.john.toland@census.gov</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Yes, I understand, but the majority of users do not</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> upgrade their scripting engines. For our web site we</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> want to have a Browser Notice that basically says what</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> versions of Netscape and IE supported javascript.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>ok, now i'm sorta curious why. do you have sections of the site built that</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>require javascript to work? is this for a .gov project? are you aware</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>that</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>requiring javascript to access something is against section 508 of the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>workforce investment act of 1998?</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>if you're not requiring javascript to use/access something then there's no</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>need to tell the end consumer which browsers had which versions of</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>javascript as you can simply detect object and method detection so your</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>script doesn't break.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>i wouldn't be such a stickler about this, if it weren't for the fact that</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>most web surfers don't even have a clue what javascript is, let alone what</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>it's for or why they need it. if possible, you're much better off trying</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>to</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>do everything you can to never mention it to the end user.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>.jeff</FONT>
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