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<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>|-----Original Message-----<br>
|From: javascript-bounces@LaTech.edu<br>
|[<a href="mailto:javascript-bounces@LaTech.edu" eudora="autourl">mailto:javascript-bounces@LaTech.edu</a>]On
Behalf Of Hyper X<br>
|Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 12:33 PM<br>
|To: [JavaScript List]<br>
|Subject: [Javascript] THIS JAVASCRIPT LIST IS A SPAM!<br>
|<br>
|THIS JAVASCRIPT LIST IS A SPAM!<br>
|<br>
|Please do not encourage this list.<br>
|<br>
|The list moderator is stealing all the email addresses<br>
|from other groups and subscribing without permission.</blockquote><br>
The email addresses where from the JavaScript membership database on the
Yahoo side of this list. I've explained this before, I've explained it
more than once. The membership lists I merged together were both from the
same list, a list that I own. <br><br>
On eGroups the JavaScript list was merely being "mirrored"
there, people could not join the JavaScript list via eGroups, they could
only view posts via a Web interface and also the archives. When Yahoo
Groups bought eGroups, they, _without asking me_, changed things so that
people could also "subscribe" via Yahoo, acted as if the list
was being hosted by Yahoo. Giving the list a split personality, one side
of which I no longer had any control over (could not help people
unsubscribe, change list settings to reflect list settings on the other
half, etc).<br><br>
Why would I take addresses from other groups and subscribe without
permission? What would that gain for me? I get no money from having new
members, and a larger list means more of my spare time to administer,
including dealing with irate folks. So where is the benefit for me? None.
Zero. Zilch. <br><br>
For those that missed this the first few times:<br><br>
Over 2 years ago when eGroups (which was just archiving JavaScript list
postings) was bought out by Yahoo! Groups, Yahoo, _without my
permission_, basically usurped the list, made it appear that it was being
hosted by Yahoo/eGroups. Yahoo also did not give me any access to my own
list on the Yahoo side. So if any of the 900+ members of the JavaScript
list that were on the Yahoo side of the list had any problems with their
list membership, I could never be of help to them. The membership list I
brought over from the Yahoo side of this list, is the membership of this
list. People had either signed up year ago and forgot (their email set to
nomail by themselves, or by Yahoo! when their email had a momentary
bouncing problem), or someone signed them up (not my fault), or they got
issued an email address from their company - the previous owner of that
email addresses had signed up to the list. I have NOT grabbed email
addresses from any other list. Makes no sense for me to do it, as I said
above, there is no benefit for me, none. Only extra work, extra headache.
<br><br>
I repeatedly tried to get Yahoo to fix the situation. Finally I got
someone to respond last week. They gave me access to the usurped side of
the list. However, they now turned it back to mirroring and so all the
people that had signed up to the list and were able to post via the Yahoo
side (which was forwarding their posts to the real list address), were no
longer able to post to the list. There was no way for me to send out a
post to them to let them know what was happening (yes, I tried). I
unsubscribed those that looked to have their membership disabled because
of too many bounces. And then merged the two membership halves together.
And then deleted the Yahoo side (since the older parts of the archives
were being deleted by Yahoo anyway as the archives on Yahoo has a 64 MB
limit, thus the archives of the list on its real home server contained
more posts now).<br><br>
Two problems occurred: <br><br>
1) there were 6 bad addresses that just bounced and bounced and kept on
bouncing like some perpetual ping pong machine. I got over 2,000 bounced
messages. Took me forever to get through those. My apologies for
that. I figured there'd be some bounces, but not 2,000. Why those 6 bad
addresses didn't have a bad bounce history on Yahoo! Groups is beyond
me.<br><br>
2) Unfortunately, since I was unable to access the usurped side for over
two years, some folk had set their accounts to nomail and they forgot
about the list, or at the company they worked at they were given the
email address of a previous worker (a few companies do that, believe it
or no) who had signed up to the list unbeknownst to the new owner of the
email address, or maybe someone else signed them up without their
knowing. My apologies to those people.<br><br>
On top of this all, LA Tech has upgraded the list serv software, and I'm
working on learning the new features and functions and
settings.<br><br>
Thanks to the folks who sent me mature, civil and even supportive emails.
I was pleasantly surprised to see that the positive emails outnumbered
the negative ones almost 3:1. I believe in the importance of this list, I
am not doing this for money, and any time administering is out of my
spare time and so I never intend to cause grief for the members, or to
forcibly/secretively sign up people to the list (what would that gain for
me? I get no money from having new members, and a larger list means more
of my spare time to administer). <br><br>
For the others who were very hateful and juvenile in their emails to me,
sometimes despite all good efforts, bad stuff happens in life. The list
will stand back up from this trip, and be the useful and important
resource to JavaScripters that it has been for these many years. I now
can help all members of the list, and not just half of them, and I've
learned even more about list administration and so you've gotten an even
more experienced list administrator because of all this.<br><br>
Now if you have a problem with this, unsubscribe:
<a href="https://lists.latech.edu/mailman/listinfo/javascript" eudora="autourl">https://lists.latech.edu/mailman/listinfo/javascript</a>
and scroll down to the bottom. If that doesn't work for whatever reasons, then email me and I will unsubscribe you. I usually am able to unsub people the same day, often within minutes of my getting their email.<br><br>
TTFN,<br>
David<br>
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Director of Integrated Technology <br>
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Louisiana Tech University <br>
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Tel: (318) 257-4772 <br>
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