From luminosity at members.evolt.org Sun Sep 1 06:03:29 2002 From: luminosity at members.evolt.org (Lachlan Cannon) Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 21:03:29 +1000 Subject: [Marketing] donation campaign References: <3D652E88.770745B1@mantruc.com> Message-ID: <3D71F401.8090800@members.evolt.org> javier velasco wrote: > we have an temporary account to recieve donations, so now it's our turn > to write a message for our members in order to motivate them to donate > money for evolt.org, ideally on a regular basis. > We were discussing this before we focused on the move, so just so we > don't start over from scratch... > http://lists.evolt.org/marketingarchive/2002-June/000132.html > http://lists.evolt.org/marketingarchive/2002-June/000133.html Sorry I took a while to get around to this.. exams coming up, and a million and one things demanidn my attention. I'm sure you all know how it is. Anyway, on to my proposed article, using the one Javier had in the 2nd link as a base to work off. *** Time to give back! Think about this: How many times has evolt.org saved you on an urgent project? How much stuff have you learned from our members that you would never have learned otherwise? thelist, tips, articles, the browser archive, how much are they worth to you? Are you willing to help support our community, by, for example, imposing a small charge on your clients? Why do we need this help? The fact is that our ?little project? has grown into a monster. Our web sites are huge, sitting on top of an ad-hoc array of 7 boxes, and our services transmit more than 100GB every month and growing. Unfortunately, someone has to pay for this, and the costs involved are not small! In the past we were maintained by the generosity of one member, but now we need your help. Please, check your finances and figure out how much you will be able to donate in order to keep evolt.org alive. We started out from the desire of web developers to build a community by web developers, for web developers. Now we need your help to keep evolt.org free from the commercial circuits. How to donate. *** Thoughts? -- Lach __________________________________________ Web: http://illuminosity.net/ E-mail: lach @ illuminosity.net MSN: luminosity @ members.evolt.org __________________________________________ From lists at mantruc.com Tue Sep 3 15:34:04 2002 From: lists at mantruc.com (javier velasco) Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 16:34:04 -0400 Subject: [Marketing] donation campaign References: <3D652E88.770745B1@mantruc.com> <3D71F401.8090800@members.evolt.org> Message-ID: <3D751CBC.AECE25C2@mantruc.com> minor edits... --- Time to give back! Think about this: How many times has evolt.org saved you on an urgent project? How much stuff have you learned from our members that you would never have learned otherwise? thelist, tips, articles, the browser archive, how much are they worth to you? Are you willing to help support our community, by, for example, imposing a small charge on your clients? Time has come for evolt.org to come back to its members to ask for cash, in order to maintain the community running and remain true to its indepdendent spirit. Our ?little project? has grown into a monster. Our web sites are huge, sitting on top of an ad-hoc array of 7 boxes, and our services transmit more than 100GB every month and growing. Unfortunately, someone has to pay for this, and the costs involved are not small! In the past we were maintained by the generosity of one member, but now we need your help. Please, check your finances and figure out how much you will be able to donate in order to keep evolt.org alive. We started out from the desire of web developers to build a community by web developers, for web developers. Now we need your help to keep evolt.org free from the commercial circuits. You can submit your donation through pay-pal from our website. http://evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ From luminosity at members.evolt.org Wed Sep 4 02:28:14 2002 From: luminosity at members.evolt.org (Lachlan Cannon) Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 17:28:14 +1000 Subject: [Marketing] donation campaign References: <3D652E88.770745B1@mantruc.com> <3D71F401.8090800@members.evolt.org> <3D751CBC.AECE25C2@mantruc.com> Message-ID: <3D75B60E.1000801@members.evolt.org> javier velasco wrote: > Time has come for evolt.org to come back to its members to ask for cash, > in order to maintain the community running and remain true to its > indepdendent spirit. IUt all looks good Javier, but I'm not so sure about this paragraph.. the word cash makes it sound to me like we're greedy money grabbers or something... maybe the word support would be better? the mention of paypal lets people figure otu what kind of support we're primarily asking for here. Thoughts? -- Lach __________________________________________ Web: http://illuminosity.net/ E-mail: lach @ illuminosity.net MSN: luminosity @ members.evolt.org __________________________________________ From erika at seastorm.com Wed Sep 4 05:31:49 2002 From: erika at seastorm.com (Erika Meyer) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 03:31:49 -0700 Subject: [Marketing] donation campaign In-Reply-To: <3D75B60E.1000801@members.evolt.org> References: <3D652E88.770745B1@mantruc.com> <3D71F401.8090800@members.evolt.org> <3D751CBC.AECE25C2@mantruc.com> <3D75B60E.1000801@members.evolt.org> Message-ID: good point, lach. E >javier velasco wrote: > >>Time has come for evolt.org to come back to its members to ask for cash, >>in order to maintain the community running and remain true to its >>indepdendent spirit. > >IUt all looks good Javier, but I'm not so sure about this paragraph.. >the word cash makes it sound to me like we're greedy money grabbers or >something... maybe the word support would be better? the mention of >paypal lets people figure otu what kind of support we're primarily >asking for here. > >Thoughts? >-- >Lach erika at seastorm.com From lists at mantruc.com Wed Sep 4 08:30:55 2002 From: lists at mantruc.com (javier velasco) Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 09:30:55 -0400 Subject: [Marketing] donation campaign References: <3D652E88.770745B1@mantruc.com> <3D71F401.8090800@members.evolt.org> <3D751CBC.AECE25C2@mantruc.com> <3D75B60E.1000801@members.evolt.org> Message-ID: <3D760B0F.245754A6@mantruc.com> i agree Lach, thanks for the feedback. what i don't know is how are we sending it? should it be from an official address? (treasurer?) (i'll be ultra-busy today, so if any one else could take the ball up to the goal line i'd appreciate it) Lachlan Cannon wrote: > > javier velasco wrote: > > > Time has come for evolt.org to come back to its members to ask for cash, > > in order to maintain the community running and remain true to its > > indepdendent spirit. > > IUt all looks good Javier, but I'm not so sure about this paragraph.. > the word cash makes it sound to me like we're greedy money grabbers or > something... maybe the word support would be better? the mention of > paypal lets people figure otu what kind of support we're primarily > asking for here. > > Thoughts? > -- > Lach > __________________________________________ > Web: http://illuminosity.net/ > E-mail: lach @ illuminosity.net > MSN: luminosity @ members.evolt.org > __________________________________________ > > --- > evolt.org Marketing list > marketing at lists.evolt.org > Archive: http://lists.evolt.org/marketingarchive/ From marlene at members.evolt.org Wed Sep 4 10:12:49 2002 From: marlene at members.evolt.org (Marlene Bruce) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 08:12:49 -0700 Subject: [Marketing] donation campaign In-Reply-To: <3D760B0F.245754A6@mantruc.com> References: <3D652E88.770745B1@mantruc.com> <3D71F401.8090800@members.evolt.org> <3D751CBC.AECE25C2@mantruc.com> <3D75B60E.1000801@members.evolt.org> <3D760B0F.245754A6@mantruc.com> Message-ID: Before we send this we should finish a statement on how much we need and what exactly we're spending it on. I think Martin had rounded up some figures. >what i don't know is how are we sending it? >should it be from an official address? (treasurer?) I think it should perhaps come from give at . Cheers, Marlene From lists at mantruc.com Wed Sep 4 10:30:11 2002 From: lists at mantruc.com (javier velasco) Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 11:30:11 -0400 Subject: [Marketing] donation campaign References: <3D652E88.770745B1@mantruc.com> <3D71F401.8090800@members.evolt.org> <3D751CBC.AECE25C2@mantruc.com> <3D75B60E.1000801@members.evolt.org> <3D760B0F.245754A6@mantruc.com> Message-ID: <3D762703.90A5E387@mantruc.com> Marlene Bruce wrote: > Before we send this we should finish a statement on how much we need > and what exactly we're spending it on. I think Martin had rounded up > some figures. +1 > >what i don't know is how are we sending it? > >should it be from an official address? (treasurer?) > > I think it should perhaps come from give at . +1 From rwd at csi1st.net Wed Sep 4 12:00:22 2002 From: rwd at csi1st.net (Ron Dorman) Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 13:00:22 -0400 Subject: [Marketing] [Fwd: evolt.org permanant funding] Message-ID: <3D763C26.7060603@csi1st.net> -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Hi Randy, Thank you. I will get this forwarded to evolt.org and get things rolling. Hello All, After this post, I will keep the rest of this thread on theforum list. I am forwarding this email from Randy Dorman of NetWorth Enterprises. Randy is my brother and he and his company have been working with me to create the evolt.org affiliate program. As he states in his email, the site for affiliate hosting services is ready for review. I will get the the final things in place and send a review request to the admin groups later today with all the necessary information for accessing and checking the site. Our plan is to have the admin groups review/test for a couple of days and then make changes and fixes. After that we would like to have 10 people that are going to join the program do a controlled live test. We want to do this because the linux hosting sites will be created automatically by our systems in production mode, and want to ensure we have not missed anything. Let's get the marketing machine cranking on the the announcement and promotion of the affiliate program. This program has the potential to cover our expenses and then some so let's do the promotion well. isaac and marketing had started some things, but I don't know where he was on them and I understand that he is very busy for the time being. Ron D. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: evolt.org permanant funding Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 23:36:02 -0500 From: Randy Dorman Organization: NetWorth Enterprises, Inc. To: Ron Dorman Hi Ron, Thanks for all the hard work. We are ready for the initial user review of the hosting reseller site. To make this kick-off very effective we should coordinate some notices and information to the organization. I do not know the limitations for informing the groups so I leave that in your hands, or let me know if I need to do something. Please forward this to the appropriate evolt.org leadership. Congratulations on the recent case study of evolt.org in the the "polar bear" book. I am aware of your organization and applaud what you do for the industry. This is an exciting time for evolt.org. It is a time when your online must be stable and poised for growth. The deserved recognition brings new challenges, so its time to secure a financial foundation that is equal to the professional standards for which evolt.org has been recognized. We offer two quick and simple solutions that will provide the funding necessary to continue the free online services and expand as the industry joins the evolt.org mission. 1) Continuous Funding - Hosting provides consistent cash flow and can be leveraged. We offer a hosting reseller site with competitive functionality and price. We will donate 10% of all services purchased by your membership to evolt.org. The same cost your membership now sends to various vendors can be leveraged to fund the evolt.org mission indefinitely. 2) Periodic Funding - We built the reseller site for functionality. We will sponsor a "Design Contest" for the interested membership to create a look worthy of your organization. We will pay $1000 ($500 to the designer and $500 to evolt.org) for the winning design, and recognize the designer on the site. We recommend the evolt.org also give the wining designer some recognition on your web site as the best of the best. Our company applauds evolt.org and will continue to offer new ideas and methods to create a solid financial foundation, that allows evolt.org to fulfill its mission. The NetWorth Group can be just one of a growing number of supporting entities that recognizes what evolt.org does and is committed to ensuring your growth. Sincerely, Randy Dorman NetWorth Enterprises, Inc. (817) 498-2765 -- Ron Dorman * * * Increase Your Revenue * * * CSI, Inc. V-Team Technologies 434-369-5466 866-816-9922 toll free 434-309-1494 fax 804-964-7057 cell 804-694-7057 cell Team # 1012262 http://www.csi1st.net http://www.vteamtechnologies.com mailto:rwd at csi1st.net mailto:rondorman at vteamtechnologies.com -- From erika at seastorm.com Wed Sep 4 14:38:10 2002 From: erika at seastorm.com (Erika Meyer) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 12:38:10 -0700 Subject: [Marketing] [Fwd: evolt.org permanant funding] In-Reply-To: <3D763C26.7060603@csi1st.net> References: <3D763C26.7060603@csi1st.net> Message-ID: sorry, clearly I've missed something in this process. I wish we had clearer reporting mechanisms from group to group. I sent my response to theforum. E erika at seastorm.com From lists at mantruc.com Wed Sep 4 14:45:31 2002 From: lists at mantruc.com (javier velasco) Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 15:45:31 -0400 Subject: [Marketing] Re: [steering] [Fwd: evolt.org permanant funding] References: <3D763C26.7060603@csi1st.net> Message-ID: <3D7662DB.B2C39DFA@mantruc.com> great stuff: thank you ron (and randy) From erika at seastorm.com Wed Sep 4 15:44:16 2002 From: erika at seastorm.com (Erika Meyer) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 13:44:16 -0700 Subject: [Marketing] recorders/reporters In-Reply-To: References: <3D763C26.7060603@csi1st.net> Message-ID: dang you spend a day at home and see what happens... it's my daughter's first day of first grade, new school, etc. and here I am... I posted to theforum about my perceived need for a recording/reporting person (aka 'secretary') in each group which could record decisions and report on discussions to another recorder/reporter in the larger (evolt.org theforum) group. And that said reports could then be kept centralized. Just so we know where to find all the basic decisions that are made & have a centralized easy to read record of the process/progress. It shouldn't take huge effort, just regular effort. Which I (and I think others) could help with. I think such a record could be extremely helpful as we learn from past efforts. So I hope you all will read the forum and say whether the idea makes sense. (or offer alternative). thanks! Erika erika at seastorm.com From rwd at csi1st.net Fri Sep 6 14:48:02 2002 From: rwd at csi1st.net (Ron Dorman) Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 15:48:02 -0400 Subject: [Marketing] Affiliate Hosting for evolt.org Message-ID: <3D790672.5090701@csi1st.net> Hi All, Apologies for cross posting again. I have received feedback on the affiliate hosting site from only one person. Do I need to wait a day or two for people to have time to check it and provide needed changes and enhancements? I would like for us to get this thing live and announced to the membership so we can begin generating revenue. Thanks, Ron D. From martin.p.burns at uk.pwcglobal.com Thu Sep 5 03:50:28 2002 From: martin.p.burns at uk.pwcglobal.com (martin.p.burns at uk.pwcglobal.com) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:50:28 +0100 Subject: [Marketing] donation campaign Message-ID: Memo from Martin P Burns of PricewaterhouseCoopers -------------------- Start of message text -------------------- >Marlene Bruce wrote: >> Before we send this we should finish a statement on how much we need >> and what exactly we're spending it on. I think Martin had rounded up >> some figures. >+1 I wasn't collating them, just suggesting the categories. But they haven't really changed since we were talking about it pre-move. The figures in Jeff's neat-o totaliser on teo should be right, less what we took in and passed to Matt for mileage. We might also want to think about how we're going to a) account for b) publically present the subsidy we're getting from Ron - if we're seen to miss the target each month and yet still keep going, it's going to make asking for "keep evolt going" money a bit less credible. We'll also need to figure out the same for the evolt.org.uk browser mirror - ISTR Ron suggested a nominal per-GB sum on theforum shortly before the move. EOU supplied 37GB in August, so that needs factoring in. My suggestion is that bandwidth gets added to the total for the *following* month as we won't have the information in advance, plus it means that the totaliser will always start off some way towards the target. >> >what i don't know is how are we sending it? >> >should it be from an official address? (treasurer?) > >> I think it should perhaps come from give at . +1 Cheers Martin --------------------- End of message text -------------------- This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. _________________________________________________________________ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dmah at members.evolt.org Tue Sep 10 16:05:01 2002 From: dmah at members.evolt.org (Dean Mah) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 15:05:01 -0600 Subject: [Marketing] Re: [Content] Mail Alert! - Tue Sep 10 - 39494 In-Reply-To: <200209100942.g8A9gfD3027343@leo.evolt.org> References: <200209100942.g8A9gfD3027343@leo.evolt.org> Message-ID: <20020910210501.GA2359@alice.cg.shawcable.net> Should marketing draft a response to this sort of thing? Dean On Tue, Sep 10, 2002 at 04:50:56AM +0000, evolt.org - info wrote: > There is a mail message on evolt.org: > > From: Florian Hartig > Date: 10-Sep-02 04:50 AM CST > Reply: http://www.evolt.org/contact/view/39494/index.html > > UA: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0) > IP: 217.229.147.6 > From: http://www.evolt.org/ > > Message: > > Hi there, > > just take a second and look at http://www.mhst.net ... Does the > site's design look familiar to you? Somehow like evolt.org? :-) > > Best regards > Florian Hartig From erika at seastorm.com Tue Sep 10 16:42:52 2002 From: erika at seastorm.com (Erika Meyer) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 14:42:52 -0700 Subject: [Marketing] Re: [Content] Mail Alert! - Tue Sep 10 - 39494 In-Reply-To: <20020910210501.GA2359@alice.cg.shawcable.net> References: <200209100942.g8A9gfD3027343@leo.evolt.org> <20020910210501.GA2359@alice.cg.shawcable.net> Message-ID: Someone should. Alternately we could wave it before our pack of slavering mad dog web designers. It would be kind of cool to have our primary designer respond first, who I am guessing was Isaac. "Hello Marcus, while they say imitation is a form of flattery, I would prefer you do not copy our design and claim it as your own. You have x amount of days to cease and desist. If you do not then..." & perhaps a step II & III if they ignore the nice warning. I would CC anyone else involved in the site, if possible. Preferable someone with a big title. Erika >Should marketing draft a response to this sort of thing? > >Dean > > >On Tue, Sep 10, 2002 at 04:50:56AM +0000, evolt.org - info wrote: >> There is a mail message on evolt.org: >> >> From: Florian Hartig >> Date: 10-Sep-02 04:50 AM CST >> Reply: http://www.evolt.org/contact/view/39494/index.html >> >> UA: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0) >> IP: 217.229.147.6 >> From: http://www.evolt.org/ >> >> Message: >> >> Hi there, > > > > just take a second and look at http://www.mhst.net ... Does the >> site's design look familiar to you? Somehow like evolt.org? :-) >> >> Best regards >> Florian Hartig >--- >evolt.org Marketing list >marketing at lists.evolt.org >Archive: http://lists.evolt.org/marketingarchive/ -- ~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~ Erika Meyer Web Communications Consultant Lewis & Clark College Portland, Oregon USA Phone: 503-768-7972 http://www.lclark.edu/~emeyer/ ~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~ From lists at mantruc.com Wed Sep 11 08:43:23 2002 From: lists at mantruc.com (javier velasco) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:43:23 -0400 Subject: [Marketing] Re: [Content] Mail Alert! - Tue Sep 10 - 39494 References: <200209100942.g8A9gfD3027343@leo.evolt.org> <20020910210501.GA2359@alice.cg.shawcable.net> Message-ID: <3D7F487B.5A44B9DD@mantruc.com> Erika Meyer wrote: > > Someone should. > It would be kind of cool to have our primary designer respond first, > who I am guessing was Isaac. afaik, Isaac is kind of busy, I, you around? > "Hello Marcus, > > while they say imitation is a form of flattery, I would prefer you do > not copy our design and claim it as your own. You have x amount of > days to cease and desist. If you do not then..." right my only question, again, is which address could we send it from? > & perhaps a step II & III if they ignore the nice warning. I would > CC anyone else involved in the site, if possible. Preferable someone > with a big title. good From martin.p.burns at uk.pwcglobal.com Wed Sep 11 08:55:49 2002 From: martin.p.burns at uk.pwcglobal.com (martin.p.burns at uk.pwcglobal.com) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:55:49 +0100 Subject: [Marketing] Re: [Content] Mail Alert! - Tue Sep 10 - 39494 Message-ID: Memo from Martin P Burns of PricewaterhouseCoopers -------------------- Start of message text -------------------- >my only question, again, is which address could we send it from? Don't think it matters as long as it's an @members.evolt.org address. Someone on steering if not Isaac *cough*LachlanIsTheOtherMarketingRep*cough* >> & perhaps a step II & III if they ignore the nice warning. I would >> CC anyone else involved in the site, if possible. Preferable someone >> with a big title. >good Not sure there is such a person - looks like the efforts of one person. Cheers Martin --------------------- End of message text -------------------- This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. _________________________________________________________________ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. 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