[steering] Migration plan (was: Gonna start calling votes)

[Dean Mah]

It sounds like no one is opposed to moving the sites in general.  It's
the specifics that need to be hashed out.  Perhaps this should be
moved to another list like desdev or theforum.

Anyway, comments follow in message.

Dean


On Sat, Jan 11, 2003 at 03:25:49PM -0800, Marlene Bruce wrote:

> It would be ideal to have evolters.org up first.

What is evolters.org?  What needs to be done to get it going?


> 2. Move l.e.o. to:
> a) e.o.uk, or
> b) a sponsored (or inexpensive) service
> (How is CSS-D doing as a proving ground?)

I liked the idea that was proposed to move this first.  My message
below questions how we are going to do that.  I'd like to see a
concrete migration plan in place that addresses all of the issues.


> 3. Ditch Oracle (for which our license was never satisfactorily
> confirmed by Dan, BTW) in favor of MySQL or Postgres.

Send this to desdev and have someone work on porting the database.


> 3. Create evolters.com to foster the community.
> What Isaac said:
> Some kinda blog space, member profiles, ability to network
> (professionally or socially -- find other people in your area).
> News/community articles, and recipes if people want to post them
> (taking care of FEO).

So is this a one page kind of thing?  No FTP uploads?  What needs to
be done for the backend?  Database?


> 6. Create a new wiki and open it up to the community (specifics TBD).
> What Martin said:
> I'd also like a general wiki - wider in scope than the one we've used
> to date and explicitly open to all. Might even do some of the work done by
> the tips (plus allow community editing, getting round the 'this tip is
> wrong' issue)
>
> 7. Suspend the tip harvester if needed.

It will have to.  With no database backend, we would need to change
the way we do things.  Probably easiest to go back to the old way:
parse thelist's mbox and then mail them directly to thelist.


> Given what I understand to be the issues, I don't have any
> objections to the above.

I'm interested in the technical issues.  But maybe that discussion
should be moved to desdev or theforum.


> Do we want to set a deadline for the big picture/pieces, and then
> milestones to measure our progress?

We really need someone to take the lead on this.  This is where
Mishka's whip really got things moving.  :)


> >Okay, if we start with that, what is the migration plan?  What issues
> >do we need to resolve?
> >
> >1) DNS
> >2) Moving archives, password-protecting as appropriate
> >3) All list postings being archived into Oracle
> >4) Tip harvesting, Perl scripts for harvesting and e-mailing weekly
> >summaries
> >5) Tips going into Oracle
> >6) Exporting/importing users
> >7) l.e.o site hosting/configuration
> >8) Remove dependence on ColdFusion for l.e.o pages, unless hosting on CF
> >box
> >9) Tracking sub/unsub in Oracle
> >10) Aliases, virtusertable
> >11) Mailman configuration
> >12) evolt.org patches to mailman
> >13) Access control to lists and machine
> >14) htdig, or similar, for password-protected archives
> >15) crontab or logrotate to roll the mbox files over
> >
> >Lists defined:
> >
> >   admin, content, desdev, finance, ia, konstrukt, marketing, steering,
> >   sysadmin, thecharter, thechat, theforum, theheadlines, thelist,
> >   themembers, thesite, totc
> >
> >Anything else that I missed?
> >
> >Dean