[steering] Migration plan (was: Gonna start calling votes)

[Dean Mah]

But at what point do we open this up to theforum?  I don't think that
we should make any more decisions until it is opened up to the
membership as a whole.  I think what we've done here (in steering) is
to decide in principle that we would like to change the hosting,
change the backend, and change the design.  Shouldn't it be opened up
to comments or a vote now by the membership?

And by way of defining the big picture, I'm trying to show that there
are technical problems/difficulties to do this.  The migration isn't
as simple as setting up mailman on another box and putting the lists
on there.  That's why I am interested in tackling this, relatively,
small piece of the puzzle and having a migration plan explicitly laid
out.  Without the plan, I find it hard to believe that we can come up
with an accurate big picture that will address impact, difficulty
level, scheduling, resources, etc.

If we are going to make progress with this, I'd suggest that we break
it down into smaller pieces.  I'd like to see more people get in on
the discussion and that might mean moving it to desdev or theforum or
sysadmin.

Dean


On Sat, Jan 11, 2003 at 10:39:40PM -0800, Marlene Bruce wrote:
> >It sounds like no one is opposed to moving the sites in general.  It's
> >the specifics that need to be hashed out.  Perhaps this should be
> >moved to another list like desdev or theforum.
>
> We can do that once we know what the big picture is, and it's more
> than just moving the sites. We need to define that picture a little
> more or we risk having too much chaos by moving to the lists early.
> Hence my suggestion that we develop a "deadline for the big
> picture/pieces, and then milestones to measure our progress."
>
> I applaud you for wanting to push ahead, we could use more energy. If
> you can keep doing what you are doing (figuring out the pieces that
> need to be figured out and asking good questions) we'll get further
> faster. I think rather than theforum we should take questions to the
> different committees and have them help define things a bit more.
>
> If you know enough to proceed to desdev about moving the sites, go
> for it. But will doing that impact any of the other things I
> outlined?
>
> Where will evolters be hosted? What will evolters require?
> When will we dump m.e.o.? Will we have to move those files too? Will
> the same tools be available after a move? When will we ditch Oracle
> and what will take its place? Will a site redesign affect the move in
> any way (or be affected by it)?
>
> I'm far from knowing everything, so I'm relying on your feedback to
> help decide the best course of action. If that feedback need to
> include the opinions of others not on this list, by all means develop
> it elsewhere and bring it back here. Just keep the big picture and
> impact on other things in mind.
>
> >What is evolters.org?  What needs to be done to get it going?
>
> It's intended to take over m.e.o. in a way, but basically comprises
> the community end of things that were outlined by Isaac (more below).
>
> > > 2. Move l.e.o. to:
> >> a) e.o.uk, or
> >> b) a sponsored (or inexpensive) service
> >> (How is CSS-D doing as a proving ground?)
> >
> >I liked the idea that was proposed to move this first.  My message
> >below questions how we are going to do that.  I'd like to see a
> >concrete migration plan in place that addresses all of the issues.
>
> Can other people on desdev help you define what's needed? I'm not
> back-end so I can't help there.
>
> > > 3. Ditch Oracle (for which our license was never satisfactorily
> >> confirmed by Dan, BTW) in favor of MySQL or Postgres.
> >
> >Send this to desdev and have someone work on porting the database.
>
> Someone else who knows back-end stuff should do this. Feel free.
>
> > > 3. Create evolters.com to foster the community.
> >> What Isaac said:
> >> Some kinda blog space, member profiles, ability to network
> >> (professionally or socially -- find other people in your area).
> >> News/community articles, and recipes if people want to post them
> >> (taking care of FEO).
> >
> >So is this a one page kind of thing?  No FTP uploads?  What needs to
> >be done for the backend?  Database?
>
> See Isaac's email to theforum on 10/31/2002, subject line "Evolters"
> (http://lists.evolt.org/theforumarchive/Week-of-Mon-20021028/006537.html).
> That and the subsequent discussion should fill you in.
>
> > > Given what I understand to be the issues, I don't have any
> >> objections to the above.
> >
> >I'm interested in the technical issues.  But maybe that discussion
> >should be moved to desdev or theforum.
>
> I'm obviously interested in the bigger picture. Feel free to go to desdev.
>
> > > Do we want to set a deadline for the big picture/pieces, and then
> > > milestones to measure our progress?
> >
> >We really need someone to take the lead on this.  This is where
> >Mishka's whip really got things moving.  :)
>
> Hey, what do you think I'm doing by asking all these questions? I was
> the whip long before Michelle. I've just mellowed a bit. :o)
>
> Marlene
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