From ekm at seastorm.com  Mon Aug 31 16:21:00 2009
From: ekm at seastorm.com (Erika Meyer)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:21:00 -0700
Subject: [theforum] sorry for the change in subject line but gmail hates me
	and I just want to get this sent
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On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 5:30 AM, Drs M. Feenstra, MALD,
MBA<marcel at wintasy.com> wrote:
> Elfur wrote:
>
>> am I the only one thinking that we should consider calling it a day?
>
> Are you referring to just beo or (shudder) evolt.org as a whole?
>
> Marcel

At this point, I'm open to just about anything.... just to clarify...
did we move  both weo and beo to the new server ?  Erika

From david at gigawatt.com  Mon Aug 31 20:15:13 2009
From: david at gigawatt.com (David Kaufman)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 21:15:13 -0400
Subject: [theforum] sorry for the change in subject line but gmail hates
 me	and I just want to get this sent
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Erika Meyer wrote:
 >
> Drs M. Feenstra, MALD, MBA <marcel at wintasy.com> wrote:
 >
>> Elfur wrote:
>>> am I the only one thinking that we should consider calling it a day?
>>
>> Are you referring to just beo or (shudder) evolt.org as a whole?
>> Marcel
> 
> At this point, I'm open to just about anything.... just to clarify...
> did we move  both weo and beo to the new server ?  Erika

AFAIK, Dean *had* moved leo, and William had moved beo (so, basically 
everything except weo) to the *first* new server before it crashed. 
Then I (finally) setup the new new server, but it is currently not doing 
anything.

I personally cannot fathom shutting the thing down.  I just can't.

-dave

From ekm at seastorm.com  Tue Sep  1 17:14:24 2009
From: ekm at seastorm.com (Erika Meyer)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 15:14:24 -0700
Subject: [theforum] sorry for the change in subject line but gmail hates
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On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 6:15 PM, David Kaufman<david at gigawatt.com> wrote:
>
> I personally cannot fathom shutting the thing down. ?I just can't.
>

last time I tried to log into #evolt it was down... do we still have
IRC?  can we do an IRC (or similar) meeting sometime?  (wish we could
meet in person.)

Erika

From david at gigawatt.com  Sun Sep  6 22:21:46 2009
From: david at gigawatt.com (David Kaufman)
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 2009 23:21:46 -0400
Subject: [theforum] sorry for the change in subject line but gmail hates
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Hi Erika,

Erika Meyer wrote:
> David Kaufman<david at gigawatt.com> wrote:
>> I personally cannot fathom shutting the thing down.  I just can't.
>>
> last time I tried to log into #evolt it was down... do we still have
> IRC?  can we do an IRC (or similar) meeting sometime?  (wish we could
> meet in person.)

I don't know about the IRC channel -- I never use IRC any more (chat 
addict in recovery) -- but you can IM me just about any time! 
(david.kaufman at gmail.com (on Google Talk) or gigawattt (on AIM)).

As far as calling it a day (if by that Elfur did in fact mean evolt.org 
as a whole) as I've said in the past, to me at least, evolt is first and 
foremost a mailing list.  It's nice that we have a popular website too 
(seein' as how we're a community of web developers and all) but as long 
as the list is useful I feel a personal responsibility to keep it going.

Online communities are all illusions, and are elusive.  The fact that 
we, the stewards of this particular one, come and go, or suffer long and 
chronic bouts of apathy, is no reason to "give up".  The community 
exists and has value as long as anyone is posting web dev problems to 
the List, asking questions or starting a discussion, and someone else is 
replying.  That's the litmus test.  And the fact that the articles on 
weo and the list archives on leo got half a million page views last 
month tells me that what we do here, no matter how apathetically we do 
it, benefits the googling public as well!

So while it may not be the same community that the old timers remember, 
or want it to be still, that's just the nature of online communities: 
they evolve, they body of participants turns over (and over).  New 
generations of web heads come along to replace the old ones -- in short, 
they evolt :-)  The community does what it wants, not what we want it 
to, and every time another evolter gets grumpy and suggests maybe we 
should "call it a day", I want to just tell them, "You may."

But I'm not ready to give up on evolt.  If the site didn't get a new 
article submitted or list post for a year, and financially I had to move 
it to a $10 a month shared hosting account somewhere just to keep the 
content available for archival purposes, I would.

-dave, (playing Dewey, the last drone, floating away on the last dome)