From djc at meo.evolt.org Mon Apr 1 10:21:01 2002 From: djc at meo.evolt.org (djc@meo.evolt.org) Date: Mon Apr 1 09:21:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] tesxt Message-ID: <200204011520.g31FKmjA029891@meo.evolt.org> test. From dmah at meo.evolt.org Mon Apr 1 10:35:00 2002 From: dmah at meo.evolt.org (dmah@meo.evolt.org) Date: Mon Apr 1 09:35:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] Tip Searching Message-ID: <20020401093451.A30288@meo> Until I can figure out why interMediaText will not run on the production database server, I've switched the DBMS_LOB.INSTR call to a new stored procedure call that I wrote. The one advantage being that the new stored procedure does case-insensitive searching. It is slower than the native Oracle call but hopefully not prohibitively so. If anyone notices anything strange, let me know. Dean From info at evolt.org Mon Apr 1 11:17:00 2002 From: info at evolt.org (evolt.org info) Date: Mon Apr 1 10:17:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] [admin] Mail Alert! - Mon Apr 01 23336 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020401214522.026b2400@203.197.12.4> There is a mail message on the evolt site- From: ppk Date: 01-Apr-02 06:23 AM CST Answer at: http://admin.evolt.org/email/index.cfm?action=detail&cid=23336 UA: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 IP: 80.127.224.54 From: http://www.evolt.org/article/index.html?action=thanks&type=new&cfid=1019489&cftoken=20554963 Message: Small comment on the article generation module: I just submitted an article in which I had defined one PRE tag with a TITLE attribute. In converting this PRE to a TEXTAREA something must have gone wrong, because everything below the PRE was in a monospaced font and didn't look like the stuff above the PRE. I removed the TITLE for now (it wasn't very important) but I thought you might like to know about this minor bug. ppk Would someone please answer it? Thank you sexily. ___________________________________________________ sure, it can scale up if need be, but it needs to suck ass first From dmah at shaw.ca Mon Apr 1 18:33:01 2002 From: dmah at shaw.ca (Dean Mah) Date: Mon Apr 1 17:33:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] Tip Searching Message-ID: <200204011514.g31FE9p01319@alice.monkeyland.ca> Until I can figure out why interMediaText will not run on the production database server, I've switched the DBMS_LOB.INSTR call to a new stored procedure call that I wrote. The one advantage being that the new stored procedure does case-insensitive searching. It is slower than the native Oracle call but hopefully not prohibitively so. If anyone notices anything strange, let me know. Dean From dmah at shaw.ca Mon Apr 1 22:50:01 2002 From: dmah at shaw.ca (Dean Mah) Date: Mon Apr 1 21:50:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] Tip Searching Message-ID: <200204010603.g31633602762@alice.monkeyland.ca> Until I can figure out why interMediaText will not run on the production database server, I've switched the DBMS_LOB.INSTR call to a new stored procedure call that I wrote. The one advantage being that the new stored procedure does case-insensitive searching. It is slower than the native Oracle call but hopefully not prohibitively so. If anyone notices anything strange, let me know. Dean From dmah at shaw.ca Tue Apr 2 18:57:00 2002 From: dmah at shaw.ca (Dean Mah) Date: Tue Apr 2 17:57:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] Tip Searching Message-ID: <200204011533.g31FXLg01434@alice.monkeyland.ca> Until I can figure out why interMediaText will not run on the production database server, I've switched the DBMS_LOB.INSTR call to a new stored procedure call that I wrote. The one advantage being that the new stored procedure does case-insensitive searching. It is slower than the native Oracle call but hopefully not prohibitively so. If anyone notices anything strange, let me know. Dean From r937 at interlog.com Tue Apr 2 22:09:01 2002 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Tue Apr 2 21:09:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] Tip Searching Message-ID: <01c1dabc$e57bfee0$274c149a@rudy> >If anyone notices anything strange, let me know. um, how about this... i got FOUR(4) copies of your email, but they all had different timestamps ONE --- Return-path: Envelope-to: r937@interlog.com Delivery-date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 22:51:38 -0500 Received: from ns2.starkmedia.com ([63.237.54.248] helo=relay.evolt.org) by cac3.hub.mail.psi.ca with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 16sFIf-0002cs-00 for r937@interlog.com; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 22:49:37 -0500 Received: from leo.evolt.org (leo.evolt.org [63.237.54.247]) by relay.evolt.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37EA752002; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 21:59:24 -0600 (CST) Received: from pd2mq1so.prod.shaw.ca (h24-71-223-13.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.13]) by leo.evolt.org (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g323ntXt013498 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 21:49:56 -0600 Received: from pd2mo3so.prod.shaw.ca (h24-71-223-13.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.13]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GTV0019PKQYP2@l-daemon> for thesite@lists.evolt.org; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 23:01:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from pd4mr1so.prod.shaw.ca (pd4mr1so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.212]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GTV00GC9KQXMZ@l-daemon> for thesite@lists.evolt.org; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 23:01:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from pn2ml8so.prod.shaw.ca (pn2ml8so-qfe0.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.121.152]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GTV00J0IKQYSR@l-daemon> for thesite@lists.evolt.org; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 23:01:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from alice.monkeyland.ca ([24.81.145.62]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GTV0057RKQX2S@l-daemon> for thesite@lists.evolt.org; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 23:01:46 -0700 (MST) Received: (from mah@localhost) by alice.monkeyland.ca (8.11.6/8.9.3) id g31633602762 for thesite@lists.evolt.org; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 23:03:03 -0700 From: Dean Mah To: thesite@lists.evolt.org Message-id: <200204010603.g31633602762@alice.monkeyland.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL6] content-transfer-encoding: 7bit content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [thesite] Tip Searching Sender: thesite-admin@lists.evolt.org Errors-To: thesite-admin@lists.evolt.org X-BeenThere: thesite@lists.evolt.org X-MajorGumbo-Version: 2.0.1 X-evolt: Your Boss will think you're a God. Precedence: bulk Reply-To: thesite@lists.evolt.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Archive: X-Original-Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 23:03:03 -0700 (MST) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 23:03:03 -0700 (MST) X-UIDL: 7d76e4a9a7bbf06f73a9bc8e2eb1d00a TWO -- Return-path: Envelope-to: r937@interlog.com Delivery-date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 18:36:56 -0500 Received: from [63.237.54.245] (helo=relay.evolt.org) by cac2.hub.mail.psi.ca with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 16sBLt-0007cX-00 for r937@interlog.com; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 18:36:41 -0500 Received: from leo.evolt.org (leo.evolt.org [63.237.54.247]) by relay.evolt.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 139A1C073; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 17:33:41 -0600 (CST) Received: from pd3mo3so.prod.shaw.ca (h24-71-223-13.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.13]) by leo.evolt.org (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g31NX0Xt003869 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 17:33:00 -0600 Received: from pd2mr3so.prod.shaw.ca (pd2mr3so-ser.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.108]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GTW006Q1A9KTO@l-daemon> for thesite@lists.evolt.org; Mon, 01 Apr 2002 08:12:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from pn2ml5so.prod.shaw.ca (pn2ml5so-qfe0.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.121.149]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GTW00KOAA9KNI@l-daemon> for thesite@lists.evolt.org; Mon, 01 Apr 2002 08:12:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from alice.monkeyland.ca ([24.81.145.62]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GTW00LGVA9KFR@l-daemon> for thesite@lists.evolt.org; Mon, 01 Apr 2002 08:12:56 -0700 (MST) Received: (from mah@localhost) by alice.monkeyland.ca (8.11.6/8.9.3) id g31FE9p01319 for thesite@lists.evolt.org; Mon, 01 Apr 2002 08:14:09 -0700 From: Dean Mah To: thesite@lists.evolt.org Message-id: <200204011514.g31FE9p01319@alice.monkeyland.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL6] content-transfer-encoding: 7bit content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [thesite] Tip Searching Sender: thesite-admin@lists.evolt.org Errors-To: thesite-admin@lists.evolt.org X-BeenThere: thesite@lists.evolt.org X-MajorGumbo-Version: 2.0.1 X-evolt: It's Unfair that Babble's got all the Girls! Precedence: bulk Reply-To: thesite@lists.evolt.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Archive: X-Original-Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 08:14:09 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 08:14:09 -0700 (MST) X-UIDL: 3e97788a1cf40e789f3256092d3282d3 Status: U THREE -- Return-path: Envelope-to: r937@interlog.com Delivery-date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 18:57:09 -0500 Received: from [63.237.54.245] (helo=relay.evolt.org) by cac2.hub.mail.psi.ca with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 16sY9D-0005eF-00 for r937@interlog.com; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 18:57:08 -0500 Received: from leo.evolt.org (leo.evolt.org [63.237.54.247]) by relay.evolt.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 759CCC0B2; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 17:57:42 -0600 (CST) Received: from pd4mq1so.prod.shaw.ca (h24-71-223-13.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.13]) by leo.evolt.org (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g32NudXt000341 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 17:56:40 -0600 Received: from pd5mo3so.prod.shaw.ca (h24-71-223-13.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.13]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GTW00FJCB5FEX@l-daemon> for thesite@leo.evolt.org; Mon, 01 Apr 2002 08:32:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from pd2mr4so.prod.shaw.ca (pd2mr4so-ser.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.107]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GTW00HESB5FZ2@l-daemon> for thesite@leo.evolt.org; Mon, 01 Apr 2002 08:32:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from pn2ml2so.prod.shaw.ca (pn2ml2so-qfe0.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.121.146]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GTW00IJKB5FG3@l-daemon> for thesite@leo.evolt.org; Mon, 01 Apr 2002 08:32:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from alice.monkeyland.ca ([24.81.145.62]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GTW00D9MB53Z6@l-daemon> for thesite@leo.evolt.org; Mon, 01 Apr 2002 08:31:51 -0700 (MST) Received: (from mah@localhost) by alice.monkeyland.ca (8.11.6/8.9.3) id g31FXLg01434 for thesite@leo.evolt.org; Mon, 01 Apr 2002 08:33:21 -0700 From: Dean Mah To: thesite@leo.evolt.org Message-id: <200204011533.g31FXLg01434@alice.monkeyland.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL6] content-transfer-encoding: 7bit content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [thesite] Tip Searching Sender: thesite-admin@lists.evolt.org Errors-To: thesite-admin@lists.evolt.org X-BeenThere: thesite@lists.evolt.org X-MajorGumbo-Version: 2.0.1 X-evolt: S E X Y !. Precedence: bulk Reply-To: thesite@lists.evolt.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Archive: X-Original-Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 08:33:21 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 08:33:21 -0700 (MST) X-UIDL: 3266bfe132bd3cd948cd8fa626d1a383 Status: U FOUR -- Return-path: Envelope-to: r937@interlog.com Delivery-date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 10:34:09 -0500 Received: from relay.tidc.telus.com ([209.202.110.110]) by cac3.hub.mail.psi.ca with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 16s3mM-0001xC-00 for r937@interlog.com; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 10:31:30 -0500 Received: (qmail 16624 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2002 15:36:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO relay.evolt.org) (63.237.54.246) by relay.tidc.telus.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2002 15:36:25 -0000 Received: from leo.evolt.org (leo.evolt.org [63.237.54.247]) by relay.evolt.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46AFD3AC3; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 09:36:20 -0600 (CST) Received: from meo.evolt.org (meo [63.237.54.244]) by leo.evolt.org (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g31FYmXt015731 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 09:34:48 -0600 Received: from meo.evolt.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by meo.evolt.org (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g31FYpHG030315 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 09:34:51 -0600 From: dmah@meo.evolt.org Received: (from dmah@localhost) by meo.evolt.org (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) id g31FYpKA030314 for thesite@lists.evolt.org; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 09:34:51 -0600 To: thesite@lists.evolt.org Message-ID: <20020401093451.A30288@meo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i content-transfer-encoding: 7bit content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [thesite] Tip Searching Sender: thesite-admin@lists.evolt.org Errors-To: thesite-admin@lists.evolt.org X-BeenThere: thesite@lists.evolt.org X-MajorGumbo-Version: 2.0.1 X-evolt: Austin Powers learned HTML. Precedence: bulk Reply-To: thesite@lists.evolt.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Archive: X-Original-Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 09:34:51 -0600 Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 09:34:51 -0600 X-UIDL: aedb5a0468171991c2d30a9954324b73 Status: U From dmah at shaw.ca Tue Apr 2 23:36:01 2002 From: dmah at shaw.ca (Dean Mah) Date: Tue Apr 2 22:36:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] Tip Searching In-Reply-To: <01c1dabc$e57bfee0$274c149a@rudy> from Message-ID: <200204030436.g334apa01157@alice.monkeyland.ca> That was my fault. Or my intention. Shaw was having problems delivering mail and I was resending from different locations as a test. Dean rudy writes: > >If anyone notices anything strange, let me know. > > um, how about this... > > i got FOUR(4) copies of your email, but they all had different timestamps From r937 at interlog.com Tue Apr 2 23:51:00 2002 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Tue Apr 2 22:51:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] Tip Searching Message-ID: <01c1dacb$24ce4a40$274c149a@rudy> >... I was resending from different locations as a test. did i pass? ;o) my mail has been seriously fux0red for weeks i post to thelist and see people's answers to my post, but my post has yet to arrive i get some mails delivered seven or eight times, as far back as ten days at first i thought it was just the evolt lists, but perhaps that's because those are the only ones i read in detail then i notice that it's happening to emails i get on other lists, so i begin to suspect my ISP, **especially** when they suffer a 2-day email server problem -- they say they never lose an email, and so far i don't think i've missed any, but it's not inconceivable that they might duplicate a few... BUT -- then i hear that other lists are having similar problems -- posts disappearing, others duplicated... i was beginning to suspect that some machine sitting on a major hub somewhere on the internet is seriously screwed up now maybe i can rest easy, it's only guys like dean screwing with my sanity... ;o) rudy From djc at members.evolt.org Wed Apr 3 15:00:01 2002 From: djc at members.evolt.org (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Wed Apr 3 14:00:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] March stats for evolt.org Message-ID: <5A5D4E76-473D-11D6-9684-0050E439A063@members.evolt.org> Ciao evoltistas! Every month I share with you the traffic reports for the evolt.org sites, and every month we inch a bit higher, and every month thats a good thing. *yawn*. This month I'm here to tell ya that we completely blew every previous record for usage out of the water :) In March, we also had more articles written for the evolt.org website than any previous month, and it shows in this months stats.. Breakdown! Hits: 2.4 million (beat previous record by 400k) Page views: 824,000 (bested old record by 200k) Page views per day: 26,500 Unique hosts: 131,500 (new record by 20k) Data transferred: 99.4 Gb ****** thats *Three gigabytes a day*!! and smokes the old record of 79Gb that we set just a month ago. Down & Dirty: Top 5 referers: 1. Google based search engines(google.com, google.yahoo, google.ca/it/de/fr/uk) - ~190,000 2. altavista.com - 4390 (top search term, "browsers") 3. dynamicdrive.com - 2785 (pointer to browser archive) 4. frontier.userland.com/xmlAggregator - 2140 (people browsing our RDF feed) 5. slashdot.org - 2030 (my apache articles still..) Honorable mention: http://www.developers.net - 950 referers from their newletter to BradM's "How to reply to job postings' article.. Nice work Brad! Browsers & OS stats: MSIE based browsers pulled down 73.2% of pages this month, followed by NS with 9.94%, Spiders/Robots with 9.69%, and Opera pulling in a very respectable 3.18% Windows based operating systems account for 77.25% of requests in March, about 4.25% appearing to be winxp based, Mac based systems accounted for 5.7%, and Unix based OS's responsible for 3.75% of total requests. Our friend using an Atari based system is still faithfull to evolt.org with 17 requests in March, and is joined in the "I use an obscure OS" department by someone using OSF1(!) to hit the evolt sites to the tune of 63 requests. The five most popular articles on the www.evolt.org site this month were: 1. The Wrong Way to Use CSS in Page Layouts (aardvark) 2. Your clients need a Content Management System (martinb) 3. Tables or CSS: Choosing a layout (csaila) 4. Creating a Login Script with PHP 4 (jesteruk) 5. Stopping Spambots II - The Admin Strikes Back (djc) Top 5 members.evolt.org accounts for the month: marceloslg, djc (weee!), rglastra, deadL0ck, and kroet. Every month, I pick out one members.evolt.org account that i think is doing something cool, interesting, or wierd. This month's feature members.evolt.org account is meo/shaggy ( http://members.evolt.org/shaggy ) aka. Martin Tsachev of Bulgaria. Lots of good articles on a variety of subjects ranging from php/mysql to javascript functions to unix shell scripts. Almost all of the articles and examples are downloadable and nicely explained. A really nice example of a clean, good looking, informative members.evolt.org site.. Nice work Martin! And of course, thanks to last months featured m.e.o account Ben Dyer ( http://members.evolt.org/OKolzig37/ ), weee! ;) Chances are if you're reading this far down, you obviously care about evolt, and everything that it provides. If you're interested in getting more information on how you can help out with the financial aspects of keeping evolt running(100Gb/month isn't cheap :), visit http://members.evolt.org/contribute/ . You're find the how, what, and why you should consider a donation to evolt.org - regardless of what or how much you choose to contribute to evolt.org, it is sincerely appreciated. You can view the whole burrito for yourself, as usual, at http://browsers.evolt.org/stats/stats.mar2002.html - Thanks to everyone who helped make this a record setting month both in terms of usage and community participation! Alla salute! Cin cin! :) .djc. From holographic at members.evolt.org Thu Apr 4 13:28:00 2002 From: holographic at members.evolt.org (Holographic) Date: Thu Apr 4 12:28:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] Tip Categorization In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I will be at home in the next couple of days. Just let me know if you need a hand. Cheers Alan Lloyd mailto:holographic@members.evolt.org Workers or the web, evolt ! ! ! > -----Original Message----- > From: thesite-admin@lists.evolt.org > [mailto:thesite-admin@lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of .jeff > Sent: 31 March 2002 07:36 > To: thesite@lists.evolt.org > Subject: RE: [thesite] Tip Categorization > > > dean, > > ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > > From: Dean Mah > > > > If anyone wants to help with categorizing old tips in > > the database, let me know. You need to at least have > > a registered weo account. > ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > > i'm always willing to help out with that sort of thing. > > thanks, > > .jeff > > http://evolt.org/ > jeff@members.evolt.org > http://members.evolt.org/jeff/ > > _______________________________________________ > For unsubscribe, archive, and options, go to: > http://lists.evolt.org/mailman/listinfo/thesite > From dmah at shaw.ca Thu Apr 4 13:42:00 2002 From: dmah at shaw.ca (Dean Mah) Date: Thu Apr 4 12:42:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] Tip Categorization In-Reply-To: from Message-ID: <200204041842.g34Igi701804@alice.monkeyland.ca> Okay, you're all set up. Go to: http://lists.evolt.org/~dmah/Private/thetips.cgi You should use the same username and password as you would for weo. The older tips are the ones that need to be classified. Let me know if you have questions. And yes, I know the interface sucks. When you first go to the page, you can type in a random ID number or use the summary to find "Unclassified" tips. Dean Holographic writes: > I will be at home in the next couple of days. Just let me know if > you need a hand. > > Cheers > > Alan Lloyd > mailto:holographic@members.evolt.org > Workers or the web, evolt ! ! ! From miriam at members.evolt.org Thu Apr 4 17:32:00 2002 From: miriam at members.evolt.org (Miriam Frost) Date: Thu Apr 4 16:32:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] community news suggestion/request Message-ID: <02bd01c1dc28$6cf6f110$79cff3cd@walthers.com> Hey all... Nice article! Thanks Elfur, for putting that together. Was thinking that it might be nice that if in the future, whomever is writing the monthly community recap would post a short "heads-up" note out to thelist and/or thechat that the article is being worked on, and include the deadline for submission. (Maybe even including a link to the submission page, for those people who haven't seen it before.) Apologies for the cross-post... Not sure where this one should go. Thanks in advance, Miriam -- http://www.dynagirl.com Schmieling and schmozzling since 1971 From djc at members.evolt.org Fri Apr 5 00:21:09 2002 From: djc at members.evolt.org (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Thu Apr 4 23:21:09 2002 Subject: [thesite] Re: [Theforum] a p3p policy for evolt.org? References: <200204042322.g34NM644020594@leo.evolt.org> Message-ID: <3CAD35A7.8010207@members.evolt.org> cc'ing thesite in. aardvark wrote: >>From: "Daniel J. Cody" > > [...] > >>i've got started on a general privacy statement for us, and wondering >>if anyone is willing to provide feedback. its a pretty standard(and >>dry) recommendation, just wondering what people think. >>http://members.evolt.org/djc/evolt/p3p.html > > [...] > > yes, it is dry... > > otherwise it looks good, although it makes us sound all corporate > and info-selling... From martin at members.evolt.org Fri Apr 5 09:55:01 2002 From: martin at members.evolt.org (Martin) Date: Fri Apr 5 08:55:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] Article queue status In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Friday, April 5, 2002, at 03:31 pm, Bob Davis wrote: > At 4:29 PM +0530 4/5/02, Madhu Menon wrote: >> At 10:29 AM 4/5/2002, info@evolt.org wrote: >>> Tweaking - added headings. Ready to go as and when. >> >> We've got that PHP template article that's been in the queue for a >> while. > > I asked the guy to provide a more substantial code snip in addition > to the chmod issue that came up, and he hasn't. I was waiting on him. OK. So the queue is looking like (and please do correct me where I've got it wrong): * Zope Blog article * Technical review - Not done. I don't know if we have anyone (except the author :-p) who's got the dtml experience (Bob?), but it's fairly straightforward and there's a working demo. The general sysdev approach can be validated by pretty much anyone, though, and I'm sure someone will take apart the way OOP is explained. * Writing review - Not done. *I* don't think it needs much, but I'm the author... * HTML review - see writing review. If you're being picky, you could add some target="_blank"s to the external links, but like Adrian, I'm wondering if it really matters * Mission Impossible * Technical review - not done. Needs someone with more JS/DOM than me - Jeff? * Writing review - not done. Doesn't look too bad at first glance * HTML review- not done. PPK is unlikely to produce an abomination, though * YATM * Images on weo - done. * Technical review - not done. ASP smarts required * Writing review - Madhu's had a look, I assume from his 'shall I approve it?' question of 3rd April * HTML review - As per writing review * PHP Template Script * Technical Review - Bob's handling it and thinks it needs work * Writing Review - Looks OK to me, and there's not very much there anyway * HTML Review - quick glance didn't scream problems at me, bar a few "s needed for " marks. Jeff/thesite - do you think there's mileage in having flags for these held against each article? Cheers Martin _______________________________________________ email: martin@easyweb.co.uk PGP ID: 0xA835CCCB martin@members.evolt.org snailmail: 30 Shandon Place tel: +44 (0)774 063 9985 Edinburgh, url: http://www.easyweb.co.uk Scotland From joshua at waetech.com Fri Apr 5 10:28:00 2002 From: joshua at waetech.com (Joshua Olson) Date: Fri Apr 5 09:28:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] Tip Searching References: <200204030436.g334apa01157@alice.monkeyland.ca> Message-ID: <0ac801c1dcb8$58e4b000$a600a8c0@client1> Dean, The other day I used google to find a tip in the archives. Google found for me the tip on the weekly digest page. I posted a link to the digest on thelist and someone reminded me that there is a link directly to each tip. Way cool. Is there a way to add a "direct" link to each tip on the digest pages so that if I find a tip in the digest I can still get the "direct" link for posting on the list? Thanks, -joshua From dmah at shaw.ca Fri Apr 5 10:34:00 2002 From: dmah at shaw.ca (Dean Mah) Date: Fri Apr 5 09:34:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] Tip Searching In-Reply-To: <0ac801c1dcb8$58e4b000$a600a8c0@client1> Message-ID: <200204051534.g35FYh701538@alice.monkeyland.ca> Yeah, there should be a way. I'll look into it later today. Dean Joshua Olson writes: > The other day I used google to find a tip in the archives. Google > found for me the tip on the weekly digest page. I posted a link to > the digest on thelist and someone reminded me that there is a link > directly to each tip. Way cool. Is there a way to add a "direct" > link to each tip on the digest pages so that if I find a tip in the > digest I can still get the "direct" link for posting on the list? From roselli at earthlink.net Fri Apr 5 11:20:00 2002 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Fri Apr 5 10:20:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] Tip Searching In-Reply-To: <0ac801c1dcb8$58e4b000$a600a8c0@client1> Message-ID: <200204051619.g35GJF44027539@leo.evolt.org> > From: "Joshua Olson" > > Dean, i'm not dean, but i'll ask something anyway... > The other day I used google to find a tip in the archives. Google > found for me the tip on the weekly digest page. I posted a link to > the digest on thelist and someone reminded me that there is a link > directly to each tip. Way cool. Is there a way to add a "direct" link > to each tip on the digest pages so that if I find a tip in the digest > I can still get the "direct" link for posting on the list? you mean like this? http://lists.evolt.org/index.cfm/a/harvest/b/detail/c/_/d/4346 i got that by searching on your name on leo, clicking one of the links, and seeing this tip... or do you mean update every digest with a link *to* the page *from* the digest? From joshua at alphashop.net Fri Apr 5 11:26:03 2002 From: joshua at alphashop.net (Joshua Olson) Date: Fri Apr 5 10:26:03 2002 Subject: [thesite] Tip Searching References: <200204051619.g35GJF44027539@leo.evolt.org> Message-ID: <0b3d01c1dcc0$8ed26830$a600a8c0@client1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "aardvark" Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 11:19 AM Subject: Re: [thesite] Tip Searching > you mean like this? > http://lists.evolt.org/index.cfm/a/harvest/b/detail/c/_/d/4346 Sorta > i got that by searching on your name on leo, clicking one of the > links, and seeing this tip... > > or do you mean update every digest with a link *to* the page *from* > the digest? Yes. When I search for old tips using google, I sometimes get a page from the digest. It would be nice to be able to jump from the digest to the individual tip so that I can post the url on a discussion forum without forcing readers to wade through a digest to find the tip. Heck, I wouldn't even mind an anchor to jump straight to the tip on the digest page! :) Does this help clear up what I'm asking? -joshua From roselli at earthlink.net Fri Apr 5 11:38:00 2002 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Fri Apr 5 10:38:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] Tip Searching In-Reply-To: <0b3d01c1dcc0$8ed26830$a600a8c0@client1> Message-ID: <200204051637.g35Gb144028434@leo.evolt.org> > From: "Joshua Olson" > > Yes. When I search for old tips using google, I sometimes get a page > from the digest. It would be nice to be able to jump from the digest > to the individual tip so that I can post the url on a discussion forum > without forcing readers to wade through a digest to find the tip. > Heck, I wouldn't even mind an anchor to jump straight to the tip on > the digest page! :) > > Does this help clear up what I'm asking? yes, i was just confused... thought i could help, but i can't... sorry... From dmah at shaw.ca Fri Apr 5 14:49:01 2002 From: dmah at shaw.ca (Dean Mah) Date: Fri Apr 5 13:49:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] Tip Searching In-Reply-To: <0ac801c1dcb8$58e4b000$a600a8c0@client1> Message-ID: <200204051949.g35JnKv01953@alice.monkeyland.ca> I've added a [Link] to the left side of the digest that will take you directly to the individual version of the tip. Hopefully that helps. Dean Joshua Olson writes: > The other day I used google to find a tip in the archives. Google > found for me the tip on the weekly digest page. I posted a link to > the digest on thelist and someone reminded me that there is a link > directly to each tip. Way cool. Is there a way to add a "direct" > link to each tip on the digest pages so that if I find a tip in the > digest I can still get the "direct" link for posting on the list? From joshua at alphashop.net Fri Apr 5 15:09:00 2002 From: joshua at alphashop.net (Joshua Olson) Date: Fri Apr 5 14:09:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] Tip Searching References: <200204051949.g35JnKv01953@alice.monkeyland.ca> Message-ID: <0bd101c1dcdf$a6057dc0$a600a8c0@client1> Dean, That's exactly what I was looking for! You 'da man. :) -joshua ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dean Mah" To: Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 2:49 PM Subject: Re: [thesite] Tip Searching > I've added a [Link] to the left side of the digest that will take you > directly to the individual version of the tip. 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Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020409194827.01ad47c8@203.197.12.4> A long time ago, we decided to: a) create a separate list called theheadlines b) copy all thelist subscribers to the new list and send them an explanatory message c) give future subscribers the option to subscribe to theheadlines or not d) use this new list for all article alerts instead of sending them to thelist Er, what happened? :) Regards, Madhu <<< * >>> Madhu Menon User Experience Consultant e-mail: webguru@vsnl.net From martin at members.evolt.org Tue Apr 9 10:37:00 2002 From: martin at members.evolt.org (Martin) Date: Tue Apr 9 09:37:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] Re: [admin] theheadlines? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020409194827.01ad47c8@203.197.12.4> Message-ID: <1C0954C0-4BC7-11D6-87A1-000502172AD3@members.evolt.org> On Tuesday, April 9, 2002, at 03:20 pm, Madhu Menon wrote: > A long time ago, we decided to: > > a) create a separate list called theheadlines > b) copy all thelist subscribers to the new list and send them an > explanatory message > c) give future subscribers the option to subscribe to theheadlines or > not > d) use this new list for all article alerts instead of sending them to > thelist > > Er, what happened? :) We had the wonderful creative idea, but no process for implementation... Martin _______________________________________________ email: martin@easyweb.co.uk PGP ID: 0xA835CCCB martin@members.evolt.org snailmail: 30 Shandon Place tel: +44 (0)774 063 9985 Edinburgh, url: http://www.easyweb.co.uk Scotland From r937 at interlog.com Tue Apr 9 11:14:01 2002 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Tue Apr 9 10:14:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] Re: [admin] theheadlines? Message-ID: <01c1dfd9$381e6d60$134e149a@rudy> >Er, what happened? :) wow, i can't believe everyone else besides madhu forgot this me, i could understand i sometimes forget what colour socks i got on [ made you look! ] ;o) From elfur at elfur.is Tue Apr 9 16:54:02 2002 From: elfur at elfur.is (Elfur Logadottir) Date: Tue Apr 9 15:54:02 2002 Subject: [thesite] Re: [admin] theheadlines? References: <01c1dfd9$381e6d60$134e149a@rudy> Message-ID: <01b201c1e008$aa5d3580$0100a8c0@DWARFS> From: "rudy" | >Er, what happened? :) | | wow, i can't believe everyone else besides madhu forgot this | well, i hadn't forgot, but since other previous reminders didn't have any effect, i just didn't bother. thanks e From elfur at elfur.is Tue Apr 9 17:12:01 2002 From: elfur at elfur.is (Elfur Logadottir) Date: Tue Apr 9 16:12:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] Re: [admin] theheadlines? References: <01c1dfd9$381e6d60$134e149a@rudy> <01b201c1e008$aa5d3580$0100a8c0@DWARFS> Message-ID: <020801c1e00b$2ca6b730$0100a8c0@DWARFS> From: "Elfur Logadottir" | well, i hadn't forgot, but since other previous reminders didn't have any | effect, i just didn't bother. hmm, on fourth reading (after posting) this has more negative sound than intended. was aiming for impartial, but might have overshot it. in that case, please understand it as impartial ;) back to the books elfur *the absent one* From isaac at members.evolt.org Tue Apr 9 19:32:00 2002 From: isaac at members.evolt.org (isaac) Date: Tue Apr 9 18:32:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] Re: [admin] theheadlines? In-Reply-To: <01c1dfd9$381e6d60$134e149a@rudy> Message-ID: > wow, i can't believe everyone else besides madhu forgot this No, I've considered raising it many times. > me, i could understand > i sometimes forget what colour socks i got on > [ made you look! ] You appear to have forgotten that you use that joke about once a week... ;) (Over the last 3+ years, that adds up...) isaac -------------------------------------------------------------- triple zero digital | upstairs at 200 the parade, norwood 5067 (08)83320545 | www.triplezero.com.au | isaac@triplezero.com.au From r937 at interlog.com Tue Apr 9 22:54:00 2002 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Tue Apr 9 21:54:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] Re: [admin] theheadlines? Message-ID: <01c1e03b$070142e0$e84e149a@rudy> > You appear to have forgotten that > you use that joke about once a week... ;) what joke? [badump-bump] actually, thanks for noticing "Shut up!" he explained. (attributed to ring lardner) did you perhaps want a real joke to make up for it? Pedro, walking his dog, met Jaime, who was walking his. "Eh, Jaime," said Pedro, "that ees some beautiful chihuahua!" Jaime grinned. "Gracias. I got heem for my wife." Sighed Pedro, "I weesh I could make a deal lika that." -- from Leo Rosten's Giant Book of Laughter (he's the author of The Education of H*Y*M*A*N K*A*P*L*A*N) rudy From webguru at vsnl.net Wed Apr 10 07:19:01 2002 From: webguru at vsnl.net (Madhu Menon) Date: Wed Apr 10 06:19:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] Re: [admin] theheadlines? In-Reply-To: <01c1dfd9$381e6d60$134e149a@rudy> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020410164547.01c42a88@203.197.12.4> At 08:44 PM 4/9/2002, rudy wrote: >wow, i can't believe everyone else besides madhu forgot this > >me, i could understand Well, now that I've *reminded* everyone, the silence persists... I guess we ain't gettin' around to doin' it. If I *could* create the new list, I would. M From roselli at earthlink.net Wed Apr 10 09:35:18 2002 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Wed Apr 10 08:35:18 2002 Subject: [thesite] Re: [admin] theheadlines? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020410164547.01c42a88@203.197.12.4> References: <01c1dfd9$381e6d60$134e149a@rudy> Message-ID: <200204101334.g3ADYbPH023716@leo.evolt.org> > From: Madhu Menon > > Well, now that I've *reminded* everyone, the silence persists... > > I guess we ain't gettin' around to doin' it. > > If I *could* create the new list, I would. someone over here who can do it needs to step up... From djc at members.evolt.org Wed Apr 10 11:34:01 2002 From: djc at members.evolt.org (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Wed Apr 10 10:34:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] theheadlines? References: <01c1dfd9$381e6d60$134e149a@rudy> <200204101334.g3ADYbPH023716@leo.evolt.org> Message-ID: <3CB45B48.3030702@members.evolt.org> the problem, aard/madhu, isn't that this feature is waiting on a new list to be created. in fact, it was created just over 2 months ago, but who's counting. the things that need to get done to make this happen are clearly defined in this message michele sent out feb 5: http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/2002-February/004910.html specifically #5 and #8 - the hook from weo into theheadlines list needs to be implemented. so ya, someone does need to step up. .djc. aardvark wrote: >>From: Madhu Menon >> >>Well, now that I've *reminded* everyone, the silence persists... >> >>I guess we ain't gettin' around to doin' it. >> >>If I *could* create the new list, I would. > > > someone over here who can do it needs to step up... From sgd at ti3.com Wed Apr 10 11:49:00 2002 From: sgd at ti3.com (Scott Dexter) Date: Wed Apr 10 10:49:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] Re: [admin] theheadlines? Message-ID: > > did you perhaps want a real joke to make up for it? > > Pedro, walking his dog, met Jaime, who was walking his. > "Eh, Jaime," said Pedro, "that ees some beautiful chihuahua!" > Jaime grinned. "Gracias. I got heem for my wife." > Sighed Pedro, "I weesh I could make a deal lika that." > (Feel free to imbelish when you re-tell; this is the curt version) So a couple decides to spice up their sex life and purchases a box of flavored condoms. She looks up at him, saying, "Mmm! Cheeseburger and fries!" He replies, "I haven't put one on yet." dex From michele at wordpro.on.ca Wed Apr 10 13:10:00 2002 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Wed Apr 10 12:10:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] Testing Site --> Production Site Message-ID: <005001c1e0b2$94b0cda0$95aa2642@aci.on.ca> Hey Folks .... Long time no talk ... been really busy here .. sold my condo (in 7 days .. ack) .. with a quick closing. Long and short of it .. I'm moving from Toronto to Ottawa around the 25th/26th of April. Anyway .. enough of the personal stuff .. on to the evolt stuff. It's been a long time since we rolled the test code from test.evolt.org up to production (i.e. www.evolt.org). In the change log (http://test.evolt.org/CHANGELOG.txt) I notice Jeff's made a number of changes over the past couple of months. Reading through the changelogs and trying to remember ;) .. I think anything listed under changes to 0.7.1 have been rolled up .. but it was so long ago, I can't be sure. However, I know the code on SF was not updated since the 0.7 version. During the past year or so, I've been one of the main testers on the test site. Meaning I hit that site very frequently and test various pages at different priv levels, etc. Looking for any bugs or problems that need to be sorted out before we can roll the code up to production. That's the reason we have a test site .. so it can be thoroughly and well tested. Anyway .. in my absence over the past couple of months, I don't think anyone has been doing this. As I mentioned above and as can be seen from the changelog, there are a lot of changes that were made and that haven't been tested. So, what do we need? Testers!! Hit the test site, report any problems to this mailing list. If you have Admin or GodMin privs (i.e. 3/4), set yourself up a testing user name, so that you can log in as a regular user. Hit various pages, using different links, i.e. the sidebar elements, the drop down box, the comments, etc. Then repeat the same thing as a non-logged in user. Again, reporting anything odd/obscure to thesite list. Ideally, there should be more than just Jeff working on the source code. Now before a bunch of people start screaming and saying, "I would if I had access" .. be realistic. The majority of the code is written in CF .. so those with CF expertise should be the ones reviewing/modifying the core code. However, since as far as I'm concerned, the code is Jeff's "baby" .. communication is key. IOW .. don't go messing up the code or changing things around without checking with Jeff first. If there are CF experts that want access and have the time available to learn the architecture and to work with Jeff, then speak up. You won't get access just cause you want it. Anyway, I'm not saying there is a definite need at this time for others to be editing the code. However, I do think there is a need and a desire to have other CF experts at least reviewing and discussing the code. If you read the above changelog, a lot of what's written there is beyond my ability. I'm not saying Jeff's done anything wrong or incorrect, he hasn't, and he's done a great job .. I just think some peer review/assessment would be a good thing. One final thing .. if anyone else has made any changes to the code or to the CSS files, please ensure that you have updated the changelog accordingly. Oh .. and two more final things ;) .. Jeff, did you abandon the graphical representation of the ratings bar? I think the article view is still fine .. but someone should double check. And .. the membership stuff needs to be set back .. since we can't roll that part up anytime soon. Jeff, do you remember what needs to be commented out for that? Or Dan? I can't remember who's working on that. I've got to get back to work .. for those that do end up testing the test.evolt.org site, please report back to thesite .. even if you've found nothing amiss. The code won't be rolled up before a significant amount of testing has been done. Thanks, Michele From jeff at members.evolt.org Wed Apr 10 13:24:01 2002 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff) Date: Wed Apr 10 12:24:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] theheadlines? In-Reply-To: <3CB45B48.3030702@members.evolt.org> Message-ID: dan, ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > From: Daniel J. Cody > > the problem, aard/madhu, isn't that this feature is > waiting on a new list to be created. > > in fact, it was created just over 2 months ago, but > who's counting. > > the things that need to get done to make this happen > are clearly defined in this message michele sent out > feb 5: > http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/2002-February/004910.html > > specifically #5 and #8 - the hook from weo into > theheadlines list needs to be implemented. > > so ya, someone does need to step up. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< the list of things in that message are only one person's idea about what needs to happen. #5 and #8 are nice-to-haves, not must-haves. if we really want to give people a way to sign up for theheadlines, there's nothing stopping anyone from putting in a link on the join/edit account page to theheadlines list sub page. let's get on with implementing theheadlines list already. thanks, .jeff http://evolt.org/ jeff@members.evolt.org http://members.evolt.org/jeff/ From michele at wordpro.on.ca Wed Apr 10 14:04:01 2002 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Wed Apr 10 13:04:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] theheadlines? Message-ID: <005a01c1e0ba$2223e080$95aa2642@aci.on.ca> .jeff thesite at lists.evolt.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- dan, ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > From: Daniel J. Cody > > > the things that need to get done to make this happen > are clearly defined in this message michele sent out > feb 5: > http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/2002-February/004910.html > > specifically #5 and #8 - the hook from weo into > theheadlines list needs to be implemented. > ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< the list of things in that message are only one person's idea about what needs to happen. #5 and #8 are nice-to-haves, not must-haves. if we really want to give people a way to sign up for theheadlines, there's nothing stopping anyone from putting in a link on the join/edit account page to theheadlines list sub page. let's get on with implementing theheadlines list already. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Jeff, Whoa there cowboy ;) .. go back and reread my original message .. and the entire thread... please. The weo code needs to be updated *before* we implement this new list .. or even better at the same time. Why? We're copying the entire thelist subscription base over to theheadlines. In order to keep everything in synch, we need to update weo's subscription page so that there's an option on there for people to subscribe to theheadslines also. You and Matt were discussing some CF hack or something (sorry if that's the wrong word .. not meant in a bad way) .. but the "post" commands to MG need to change on the current Join page to send commands to the two different lists. If weo hasn't been changed and we just run with the new list .. in a day's time, the membership will be out of synch. Those new subscribers would not have been added to the new list (cos we aren't copying the members twice)... and those new subscribers won't be getting theheadlines from the list .. and hence will not even know it exists. Also, Dean needs to make whatever changes necessary to send out theheadlines info to the new list (not thelist). The announcement letter that Rudy had originally written needs to be refined and sent to the new subscriber base. An article should be prepared for Community News announcing the new list. leo should be updated with the new list. These are not "wants" .. there needs to be an order in doing things. Everyone involved needs to be on board and to make sure that we can make the transition as smooth as possible. I don't care how you guys all do it, but COMMUNICATE. When the new code is updated on teo, then let Dan know (message to thesite) .. when that's done, we're in a better position to say something like at 6:00 EST we'll copy the membership base for thelist to theheadlines, roll up the code from test to live, send out the announcement letter, approve the community news article, and then dean can change where the headline script points to. Keep in mind, the above is just a rough estimate .. someone else can take the ball and get all the pieces together and make sure those individuals involved with key tasks are available and able to make the above changes at the same time. Changes to leo aren't as important as ensuring the above gets done relatively simultaneously. So, whoever wants to coordinate the various tasks with the different individuals involved .. go for it. But don't just create a new list and copy a subscription base without ensuring that the sign up (and edit pages) on weo have been updated to reflect the new list. Thanks, Michele From jeff at members.evolt.org Wed Apr 10 14:31:03 2002 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff) Date: Wed Apr 10 13:31:03 2002 Subject: [thesite] theheadlines? In-Reply-To: <005a01c1e0ba$2223e080$95aa2642@aci.on.ca> Message-ID: michele, ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > From: Michele Foster > > Whoa there cowboy ;) .. go back and reread my original > message .. and the entire thread... please. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< trust me, i did. i'm fully aware of what transpired in that conversation. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > The weo code needs to be updated *before* we implement > this new list .. or even better at the same time. Why? > We're copying the entire thelist subscription base over > to theheadlines. In order to keep everything in synch, > we need to update weo's subscription page so that > there's an option on there for people to subscribe to > theheadslines also. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< this is a nice-to-have, not a need-to-have. we could just as easily put a link to theheadlines list sub page and let the user go through the motions of subbing themselves. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > These are not "wants" .. there needs to be an order in > doing things. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< some are needs. the ones i mentioned are wants. we can move forward without technical changes to weo's signup process. in other words, don't wait for me. let's get theheadlines implemented asap. thanks, .jeff http://evolt.org/ jeff@members.evolt.org http://members.evolt.org/jeff/ From michele at wordpro.on.ca Wed Apr 10 15:08:00 2002 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Wed Apr 10 14:08:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] theheadlines? Message-ID: <006201c1e0c3$0965de00$95aa2642@aci.on.ca> .jeff thesite at lists.evolt.org Wed Apr 10 13:31:03 2002 ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > The weo code needs to be updated *before* we implement > this new list .. or even better at the same time. Why? > We're copying the entire thelist subscription base over > to theheadlines. In order to keep everything in synch, > we need to update weo's subscription page so that > there's an option on there for people to subscribe to > theheadslines also. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< this is a nice-to-have, not a need-to-have. we could just as easily put a link to theheadlines list sub page and let the user go through the motions of subbing themselves. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > These are not "wants" .. there needs to be an order in > doing things. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< some are needs. the ones i mentioned are wants. we can move forward without technical changes to weo's signup process. in other words, don't wait for me. let's get theheadlines implemented asap. thanks, .jeff ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Ok ..... In talking to Jeff on ICQ and Dan and Javi in IRC .. there seems to be some confusion on what needs to be done here. So, I'll let you guys sort it out and decide who's doing what and when .. yadda, yadda. Jeff thinks only theheadlines should be on weo .. yet Javi and Dan want both thelist and theheadlines on weo .. and I agree with them. But that requires the code to be modified before we launch the new list so that the subscriber base can be copied and then new subscribers can decide for themself which if any lists (one's a list, one's a notification service ;) they want to join. So, let's hash it out .. and decide what to do, when, by whom, and how. :) Thanks, Michele (*the trying to be organized one .. but I don't have any time for this*) From john at userfrenzy.com Wed Apr 10 15:13:02 2002 From: john at userfrenzy.com (John Handelaar) Date: Wed Apr 10 14:13:02 2002 Subject: [thesite] Bug? Message-ID: That news thing I did yesterday has been edited to add a couple of links (good) and the beginning of the body copy has been mangled (less good). Human error or corrupted data? ------------------------------------------ John Handelaar T +44 20 7209 4117 M +44 7930 681789 F +44 870 169 7657 E john@userfrenzy.com ------------------------------------------ From dmah at shaw.ca Wed Apr 10 17:32:01 2002 From: dmah at shaw.ca (Dean Mah) Date: Wed Apr 10 16:32:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] Bug? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200204102131.g3ALVcQ02595@alice.monkeyland.ca> Not sure John. Do you have the beginning of the copy? If so, try updating your article and we'll see if it gets mangled again. Dean John Handelaar writes: > That news thing I did yesterday has been > edited to add a couple of links (good) > and the beginning of the body copy has been > mangled (less good). > > Human error or corrupted data? From abc at 263.net Thu Apr 11 23:51:01 2002 From: abc at 263.net (friend) Date: Thu Apr 11 22:51:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] 手机最低价，服务送到家。 Message-ID: <200204120350.g3C3oOJf029699@leo.evolt.org> xPq6w6O6CgqhoaGhztK3os/WwcvSu7j2wvTK1rv6tcTN+NW+o6y827jxvqrIy7XEsePSy6OsuvPA tMHLveK1vbTLzfjVvsrHufrE2tK7vNKxyL3PtPO1xMrWu/rF+reiycy9qMnotcTN+NW+o6y63Lbg zfjT0c2ouf20y8341b7C8rW9wcuzxtDEyOfS4rXEyta7+qOsyKuyv8rWu/q2vMrH1f3Gt9DQu/Wj rMrbuvO3/s7xuty6w6GjzfjVvsTayN3Ssrrct+G4u6OsvLi69bD8wKjBy8rWu/q1xLe9t73D5sPm o6y21MT6v8+2qNPQsO/W+qOszNix8M3GvPa4+MTjoaPN+Na3zqqjugpodHRwOi8vd3d3LjEzOXNo b3AuY29tL2FzcC9tZW0tZnJvbS5hc3A/dWlkPXdheW5ldGFuCgqhoaGhztK+zbK7tuDLtcHLo6zE 47+0wcu+zdaqtcDBy6GjCgqhoaGhxOO1xLrDxfPT0aO6d2F5bmV0YW4KCgrKudPDvKvQx9PKvP7I ureio6zO3tDrzai5/dPKvP63/s7xxvejrNaxtO+21Le908rP5KOsy9m2yL74ttTSu8H3o6EKz8LU 2M341rejumh0dHA6Ly93d3cubG92ZXhpbi5jb22jrLj8tuDD4rfRtcSzrL/hyO28/rXIxOPAtM/C oa2hrQoKLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0t LQpJTkZPUk1BVElPTgpUaGlzIG1lc3NhZ2UgaGFzIGJlZW4gc2VudCB1c2luZyBhIHRyaWFsLXJ1 biB2ZXJzaW9uCm9mIHRoZSBUU210cFJlbGF5U2VydmVyIERlbHBoaSBDb21wb25lbnQuCi0tLS0t LS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0K From wolf at cq114.com.cn Fri Apr 12 06:42:01 2002 From: wolf at cq114.com.cn (Mr.wang) Date: Fri Apr 12 05:42:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] motorcycle Message-ID: <200204121041.g3CAfHJf012648@leo.evolt.org> Be interested in importing motorcycles from China, you are on the right way! China Chongqing International Econ & Tech Exchange (Group) Co., Ltd. CHONGQING YINGANG ENERGY SAVING MOTORCYCLE CO., LTD. Address: 18-6, Zhongxin Bank Mansion, Jiangbei District, Chongqing, China Mainland Dear Sir/Madam, Your name and e-mail has been given to us by your embassy in Beijing. Our company produces and distributes various whole motorcycle units (displacement ranging from 48cc to 250cc, including two-wheel motorcycle and three-wheel motorcycle, for carrying goods and taking passengers) and accessories especially main accessories of motorcycle, such as engine (including crankcase, crankshaft connecting rod, carburetor, engine cylinder head, cylinder body, clutch, piston and piston rings), frame, fuel tank, shock absorber, disk brake, panels, wheel hub and so on. So far, they have sold very well to markets in many countries and areas around Asia, Africa and Latin America, meanwhile, we establish service spots and sub-factories around there. We would now like to market the motorcycles and spare parts directly in your country. We would appreciate your advise on whether your company would be interested in acting as a distributor in the your country or if you have any recommendations on any other your country's associates who might also be interested. For further information about our products, kindly please visit our web page: http://www.cq114.com.cn/English/production/jiaotongys/moto/motozhanshi/YG/yg50qt.htm We look forward to your reply. Yours sincerely, Weilin Wang (Mr. Sales Manager) Telephone: 86-23-67635035-8007 Mobile Phone: 86-13008328236 Fax: 86-23-67732102 E-mail: wlwang@cta.cq.cn http://www.cq114.com.cn/English/production/jiaotongys/moto/motozhanshi/YG/yg50qt.htm From webguru at vsnl.net Fri Apr 12 13:27:00 2002 From: webguru at vsnl.net (Madhu Menon) Date: Fri Apr 12 12:27:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] motorcycle In-Reply-To: <20020412170229.3427DC345@relay.evolt.org> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020412225443.03451b88@203.197.12.4> >Your name and e-mail has been given to us by your embassy in Beijing. Damn, we *are* famous! I wonder if we could use this for publicity. Hang on, which country's embassy? We have members from all over the globe! :) M From mccreath at ak.net Fri Apr 12 15:02:01 2002 From: mccreath at ak.net (David McCreath) Date: Fri Apr 12 14:02:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] motorcycle References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020412225443.03451b88@203.197.12.4> Message-ID: <3CB72EDC.8040307@ak.net> Didn't you know? Evolt has an embassy in Beijing! It's a Temporary Autonomous Zone! Madhu Menon wrote: > >> Your name and e-mail has been given to us by your embassy in Beijing. > > > Damn, we *are* famous! I wonder if we could use this for publicity. Hang > on, which country's embassy? We have members from all over the globe! :) > > M > > _______________________________________________ > For unsubscribe, archive, and options, go to: > http://lists.evolt.org/mailman/listinfo/thesite > From garrett at polytechnic.co.uk Fri Apr 12 15:07:01 2002 From: garrett at polytechnic.co.uk (Garrett Coakley) Date: Fri Apr 12 14:07:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] motorcycle In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020412225443.03451b88@203.197.12.4> References: <20020412170229.3427DC345@relay.evolt.org> <5.1.0.14.2.20020412225443.03451b88@203.197.12.4> Message-ID: <20020412200425.7ab3c903.garrett@polytechnic.co.uk> On Fri, 12 Apr 2002 22:55:45 +0530 Madhu Menon wrote: > > >Your name and e-mail has been given to us by your embassy in Beijing. > > Damn, we *are* famous! I wonder if we could use this for publicity. > Hang on, which country's embassy? We have members from all over the > globe! :) Maybe they mean evolt's embassy. Are we a seperate country yet? And if not, why not. Bagsy I get to be MP/Senator/Whatever for Technology and Beer. 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Message-ID: hey, something happened here between my comment and Junglee's that made the layout go nuts in NN 4.72 (whay too wide) help? > -----Original Message----- > From: info@evolt.org [mailto:info@evolt.org] > > Hello Scott, > > Junglee has commented on an article you commented on > at evolt.org. Would you like to read what was written? > > Separating ASP Code from HTML in Templates > http://www.evolt.org/article/view/20/23170/index.html#comment2 4713 From michele at wordpro.on.ca Wed Apr 17 09:26:00 2002 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Wed Apr 17 08:26:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] 
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Message-ID: <007f01c1e613$572fc4c0$95aa2642@aci.on.ca>

Hey ya'll ....

Someone raised this concern to admin .. I'm just forwarding it here. I'm
pretty sure this has been thoroughly tested and debugged as much as we can.
But, if anyone has time and ideas .. great :)

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The text area used by 
 
 tags in evolt articles looks ugly in
Mozilla - it's just too big. Any chance of changing the stylesheet so it
displays a little smaller?
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Mich



From djc at members.evolt.org  Wed Apr 17 12:40:01 2002
From: djc at members.evolt.org (Daniel J. Cody)
Date: Wed Apr 17 11:40:01 2002
Subject: [thesite] Ausente!
Message-ID: <3CBDA529.1050606@members.evolt.org>

I'm off to meet our good friend javier in Chile! Be back in about 9 days
or so..

matt, mich, chrisS, miriam, dean, johnH, and garrett(if he has time).
all have thelist admin access, contact one of them if something pops up
there..

matt,gc, russ and dean have all the passwd and machine info just like
last time. jeremy saperstien(who a couple have met jeremy@starkmedia.com
) will be handling any physical stuff if something blows up. hopefully
no one even notices i'm gone..

take care, me and javi will be sure to have a toast to you all :)

.djc.



From garrett at polytechnic.co.uk  Wed Apr 17 15:03:01 2002
From: garrett at polytechnic.co.uk (Garrett Coakley)
Date: Wed Apr 17 14:03:01 2002
Subject: [thesite] Re: [Theforum] Ausente!
In-Reply-To: <3CBDA529.1050606@members.evolt.org>
References: <3CBDA529.1050606@members.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <20020417195938.6743d7ae.garrett@polytechnic.co.uk>

On Wed, 17 Apr 2002 11:39:05 -0500 "Daniel J. Cody"
 wrote:

> I'm off to meet our good friend javier in Chile! Be back in about 9
> days or so..

Git! *:)

Pick up some bottles of red for me will ya.


>  garrett(if he has time). all have thelist admin access,

Do I?


> matt,gc, russ and dean have all the passwd and machine info just like
> last time.

I'll be free to help after 7pm GMT weekdays and all weekend if something
comes up.

Have fun mate.

G.

--
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WORK: http://spiked.co.uk/
PLAY: http://polytechnic.co.uk/

From mwarden at mattwarden.com  Wed Apr 17 15:47:01 2002
From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt)
Date: Wed Apr 17 14:47:01 2002
Subject: [thesite] looking for something to do...
Message-ID: 

i have a friend of mine (Matt Hogan) who has some extra time and is
looking for something to do for Evolt... probably HTML or CSS related.

got anything for him? something that would fill his 2-3 hours of free time
so he can satisfy his compulsion to do somethign good for us? :)

lemme know ASAP.

thanks,

--
mattwarden
mattwarden.com


From michele at wordpro.on.ca  Wed Apr 17 16:46:09 2002
From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster)
Date: Wed Apr 17 15:46:09 2002
Subject: [thesite] looking for something to do...
Message-ID: <014101c1e650$ca392780$95aa2642@aci.on.ca>

Matt wrote:

i have a friend of mine (Matt Hogan) who has some extra time and is
looking for something to do for Evolt... probably HTML or CSS related.

got anything for him? something that would fill his 2-3 hours of free time
so he can satisfy his compulsion to do something good for us? :)

lemme know ASAP.
____________________

Matt ..

I don't really have anything off the top of my head for HTML/CSS.  I
unfortunately do not have a lot of time to spend with someone.  Do you?

Cos there's lots of work to be done on the leo pages, if you want to guide
him on how to do it, send him the template files (headers and footers being
used on leo), and CSS file, then the individual pages from the list sub
options pages?  Do you know what I mean??  That's a few hours worth of work,
cos all those pages need to be edited and are stand-alone pages that get
dumped into MG.

IOW, take the source on the main page of leo .. then the info from the sub
signup pages etc. to be dropped into a full html page in MG.  This actually
needs to be done for all of the lists.  Since that all got lost when we
upgraded.

Only other thing I can think of would be assisting with tip classification
.. in Dean's absence, I think you or Jeff would be the best persons to
direct him on this.

Any good ?

Mich



From mwarden at mattwarden.com  Wed Apr 17 16:54:01 2002
From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt)
Date: Wed Apr 17 15:54:01 2002
Subject: [thesite] looking for something to do...
In-Reply-To: <014101c1e650$ca392780$95aa2642@aci.on.ca>
Message-ID: 

On Apr 17, Michele Foster had something to say about [thesite] looking for...

>Only other thing I can think of would be assisting with tip classification
>.. in Dean's absence, I think you or Jeff would be the best persons to
>direct him on this.
>
>Any good ?

yeah, that's good. thanks, mich.

we need to get a todo list together again. i'd like to do some stuff too
when i have a bit of free time here or there.. and not have to spend half
of the time figuring out what i can do. yanno?

so, if anyone else knows of stuff we need to do, we can put together a
list. michele you wanna keep track of it? if not, i will. i might put it
on your site, tho, if that's ok, because there's a lot of stuff like that
on there already.

thanks,

--
mattwarden
mattwarden.com


From holographic at members.evolt.org  Wed Apr 17 16:58:01 2002
From: holographic at members.evolt.org (Holographic)
Date: Wed Apr 17 15:58:01 2002
Subject: [thesite] looking for something to do...
In-Reply-To: <014101c1e650$ca392780$95aa2642@aci.on.ca>
Message-ID: 

Yeah I could do with a hand with tip classification. I am working through
them (slowly) :(

Alan




> -----Original Message-----
> From: thesite-admin@lists.evolt.org
> [mailto:thesite-admin@lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Michele Foster
> Sent: 17 April 2002 21:45
> To: thesite@lists.evolt.org
> Subject: [thesite] looking for something to do...
>
>
> Matt wrote:
>
> i have a friend of mine (Matt Hogan) who has some extra time and is
> looking for something to do for Evolt... probably HTML or CSS related.
>
> got anything for him? something that would fill his 2-3 hours of free time
> so he can satisfy his compulsion to do something good for us? :)
>
> lemme know ASAP.
> ____________________
>
> Matt ..
>
> I don't really have anything off the top of my head for HTML/CSS.  I
> unfortunately do not have a lot of time to spend with someone.  Do you?
>
> Cos there's lots of work to be done on the leo pages, if you want to guide
> him on how to do it, send him the template files (headers and
> footers being
> used on leo), and CSS file, then the individual pages from the list sub
> options pages?  Do you know what I mean??  That's a few hours
> worth of work,
> cos all those pages need to be edited and are stand-alone pages that get
> dumped into MG.
>
> IOW, take the source on the main page of leo .. then the info from the sub
> signup pages etc. to be dropped into a full html page in MG.
> This actually
> needs to be done for all of the lists.  Since that all got lost when we
> upgraded.
>
> Only other thing I can think of would be assisting with tip classification
> .. in Dean's absence, I think you or Jeff would be the best persons to
> direct him on this.
>
> Any good ?
>
> Mich
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> For unsubscribe, archive, and options, go to:
> http://lists.evolt.org/mailman/listinfo/thesite
>


From michele at wordpro.on.ca  Wed Apr 17 17:06:00 2002
From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster)
Date: Wed Apr 17 16:06:00 2002
Subject: [thesite] Stuff to do
Message-ID: <015901c1e653$b3c523c0$95aa2642@aci.on.ca>

matt wrote:

we need to get a todo list together again. i'd like to do some stuff too
when i have a bit of free time here or there.. and not have to spend half
of the time figuring out what i can do. yanno?

so, if anyone else knows of stuff we need to do, we can put together a
list. michele you wanna keep track of it? if not, i will. i might put it
on your site, tho, if that's ok, because there's a lot of stuff like that
on there already.

_______________________

Sorry, reading only via archives at the moment .. until after the move. ;)

Yeah .. go ahead and start a list and keep it on my site there.  That would
be awesome.  Something like we had at codefest .. that worked well for us.
I've got a bunch of other stuff I can add too .. give me a couple days tho.
I need to get some client work done tonight and the car has to be taken in.
:(

Holler if you have any leo questions .. I'm heading out for a bit, but
hopefully won't be too long.


Mich



From dave at worlddomination.net  Wed Apr 17 18:46:00 2002
From: dave at worlddomination.net (David Wagner)
Date: Wed Apr 17 17:46:00 2002
Subject: [thesite] looking for something to do...
References: 
Message-ID: <3CBDFB05.8020302@worlddomination.net>

Holographic wrote:
> Yeah I could do with a hand with tip classification. I am working through
> them (slowly) :(

[stepping out of the shadows...]

I'd be happy to volunteer some time to classify tips. I've been meaning
to offer my assistance in general, since I ain't contributing any other
way... but I'm just so lazy... :)

Anyway, if someone wants to contact me re: this job and/or other
editing-type stuff, I'd be much obliged. (I have maybe 3-5 hours/week of
procrastination time to devote to stuff.)

Thanks.

--

David Wagner
dave@worlddomination.net


From michele at wordpro.on.ca  Wed Apr 17 19:16:00 2002
From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster)
Date: Wed Apr 17 18:16:00 2002
Subject: [thesite] looking for something to do...
Message-ID: <017f01c1e665$bbead7e0$95aa2642@aci.on.ca>

Awesome David .... Matt'll coordinate stuff (oops sorry Matty ;) ... I'm
moving and Dan's on hols.  Unless Jeff's got some tasks he wants looked
after... Jeffy anything that comes to mind that you could *easily* hand off
to some of the other folks with time to spare?

Want to give us a brief run down on your skillset and what you're interested
in doing to help out.   CF, JS, ASP, PHP, Perl, pixel perfectionist, yadda
yadda?  This goes for everyone that's got some time.  Speak up  :)

Thanks,

Michele

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----

Holographic wrote:
> Yeah I could do with a hand with tip classification. I am working through
> them (slowly) :(

[stepping out of the shadows...]

I'd be happy to volunteer some time to classify tips. I've been meaning
to offer my assistance in general, since I ain't contributing any other
way... but I'm just so lazy... :)

Anyway, if someone wants to contact me re: this job and/or other
editing-type stuff, I'd be much obliged. (I have maybe 3-5 hours/week of
procrastination time to devote to stuff.)

Thanks.

David Wagner
dave@worlddomination.net




From mwarden at mattwarden.com  Wed Apr 17 19:19:01 2002
From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt)
Date: Wed Apr 17 18:19:01 2002
Subject: [thesite] looking for something to do...
In-Reply-To: <017f01c1e665$bbead7e0$95aa2642@aci.on.ca>
Message-ID: 

On Apr 17, Michele Foster had something to say about [thesite] looking for...

>
>Awesome David .... Matt'll coordinate stuff (oops sorry Matty ;) ... I'm

except i dunno how to add logins to deans interface. you said he's on
vacation?

--
mattwarden
mattwarden.com


From isaac at members.evolt.org  Wed Apr 17 19:29:00 2002
From: isaac at members.evolt.org (isaac)
Date: Wed Apr 17 18:29:00 2002
Subject: [thesite] looking for something to do...
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

> we need to get a todo list together again. i'd like to do some stuff too
> when i have a bit of free time here or there.. and not have to spend half
> of the time figuring out what i can do. yanno?


I removed my ToDo list on instruction that an alternative was being
prepared.



isaac

--------------------------------------------------------------
triple zero digital | upstairs at 200 the parade, norwood 5067
(08)83320545 | www.triplezero.com.au | isaac@triplezero.com.au


From michele at wordpro.on.ca  Wed Apr 17 19:36:00 2002
From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster)
Date: Wed Apr 17 18:36:00 2002
Subject: [thesite] looking for something to do...
Message-ID: <018b01c1e668$93d0b380$95aa2642@aci.on.ca>

[thesite] looking for something to do...

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----

On Apr 17, Michele Foster had something to say about [thesite] looking
for...

>
>Awesome David .... Matt'll coordinate stuff (oops sorry Matty ;) ... I'm

except i dunno how to add logins to deans interface. you said he's on
vacation?

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----

Umm no not vacation .. he went back to CA I think for business ... or I may
have my weeks mixed up.  and I dunno how to add to that list either.  I
can't get in myself.  I'll cc him .. he said he'd be checking in.

Mich



From ken at kenkogler.com  Wed Apr 17 19:57:00 2002
From: ken at kenkogler.com (Ken Kogler)
Date: Wed Apr 17 18:57:00 2002
Subject: Speaking Up (WAS: RE: [thesite] looking for something to do...)
In-Reply-To: <017f01c1e665$bbead7e0$95aa2642@aci.on.ca>
Message-ID: <000801c1e66b$5b91de60$8104810a@spaceball1>

> Want to give us a brief run down on your skillset and what
> you're interested in doing to help out.   CF, JS, ASP, PHP,
> Perl, pixel perfectionist, yadda yadda?  This goes for
> everyone that's got some time.  Speak up  :)

Consider this "speaking up" or "shameless attention-whoring"...
Whichever. :-)

If everyone follows a quasi-standard in their replies, it would make it
a lot easier for the admins to find people with the necessary skills.

###################################

 Languages:
  - ASP (VB and VBS)
  - SQL
  - (X/D)HTML
  - CSS
  - a fair amount of JS
  - C++

 Skills:
   - db admin (data normalization, etc)
   - good at backend stuff more than frontend

 Software knowledge/experience:
   - IIS
   - SQL Server
   - Photoshop
   - notepad :-)

 Hours to commit:
   - from 5 to 10 per week, mostly weekends

 Would you rather write code or articles/documentation?
  - code

###################################

That's me at a glance... Glad to help out in any way I can.

-Ken Kogler


From dave at worlddomination.net  Wed Apr 17 20:06:01 2002
From: dave at worlddomination.net (David Wagner)
Date: Wed Apr 17 19:06:01 2002
Subject: [thesite] looking for something to do...
References: <017f01c1e665$bbead7e0$95aa2642@aci.on.ca>
Message-ID: <3CBE0DD2.5080404@worlddomination.net>

Michele Foster wrote:

> Want to give us a brief run down on your skillset and what you're interested
> in doing to help out.   CF, JS, ASP, PHP, Perl, pixel perfectionist, yadda
> yadda?  This goes for everyone that's got some time.  Speak up  :)

Oh yeah. I guess that would help, huh? :D

"What I'm Good For"
by David Wagner

CF: capable of fixing & troubleshooting, at this point, but probably not
actual new development. 3+ years of experience, but not enough time
devoted to it lately. I grok DB architecture, but I don't *like* it. :)

CSS and such: learning. Had to be dragged in kicking & screaming, but
I'm working on it.

Pixels: limited artistic abilities, but I'm always happy to slice,
optimize, reformat, recolor, & otherwise destroy the work of others. And
I'm pretty good at it.

I'd say my main skills (and interest) at this point are in content:
editing, formatting, organizing. Nitpicking. Being loudly opinionated.
I'm a good speller, but so is Word, I guess.

I'm sure there's more, but nothing is really coming to mind.

Gosh -- now I'm not so sure how I keep a job. ;P

+1 on getting a semi-formalized to-do list going. It would certainly
help me figure out how I can be useful, and it would probably work well
to get others involved, too.

Matt -- feel free to contact me on or offlist re: tips, whenever it
happens. Thanks.

--

David Wagner
dave@worlddomination.net


From roselli at earthlink.net  Wed Apr 17 20:33:03 2002
From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark)
Date: Wed Apr 17 19:33:03 2002
Subject: [thesite] 
 tags
In-Reply-To: <007f01c1e613$572fc4c0$95aa2642@aci.on.ca>
Message-ID: <3CBDDB3F.23868.B89B3BB6@localhost>

getting caught up after a couple days of insanity, still busy, but reading...

anyway, i'm of the opinion that the textarea is just the right size for medium-
sized blocks of code... i'm still not a fan of the textarea, even though i support
its use...

for this version, i suggest we don't fiddle...

for the next version of evolt.org, i'd like to suggest we style 
s much like
i've done on my site to allow scrolling...

> From: "Michele Foster" 
>
> Someone raised this concern to admin .. I'm just forwarding it here.
> I'm pretty sure this has been thoroughly tested and debugged as much
> as we can. But, if anyone has time and ideas .. great :)
>
> ----------
> The text area used by 
 
 tags in evolt articles looks ugly
> in Mozilla - it's just too big. Any chance of changing the stylesheet
> so it displays a little smaller? ----------

From michele at wordpro.on.ca  Wed Apr 17 22:38:01 2002
From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster)
Date: Wed Apr 17 21:38:01 2002
Subject: [thesite] Those hiding in the dark .. ;)
Message-ID: <019e01c1e682$0b3145c0$95aa2642@aci.on.ca>

Hi David and Ken ..

Welcome aboard.  Until Matt can get new people added to the tip harvester
classification tool thingamajig ...

There's something else that needs to be done .. on a consistent basis and
that's to test out new stuff.  I won't repeat my long-assed email from the
other day (http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/2002-April/005196.html) ..
but if either of you guys are interested in taking over the
testing/debugging/qa/qc part of teo (test.evolt.org) web site that would be
great.

Any problems or questions, just ask here.  If you see a bug, check it out on
the main weo (www.evolt.org) site, if its not duplicatable on there, post it
here as a [Bug - teo].  And vice-versa .. if you find something on weo but
it's just fine on teo, that's a good indication that that bug has already
been taken care of and will be rolled up the next time we roll test to live.

When testing various elements, its always a good idea to test on teo as a
logged in user, a general user (not logged in) and an Admin.  If you are
going to be doing this, let Jeff know and he can change your priv level on
teo.

Hope I haven't scare ya away!!!  :)

We'll get some kick-ass organization going very soon .. as this point I
can't even find where I packed the summer clothes and its 80F here in April
.. it was 34 last week.


Mich



From michele at wordpro.on.ca  Thu Apr 18 00:11:01 2002
From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster)
Date: Wed Apr 17 23:11:01 2002
Subject: [thesite] What do you want to do ?
Message-ID: <01b701c1e68f$0ff04180$95aa2642@aci.on.ca>

Staring a new thread .. cos I feel like it ;)

Obviously many of us are coming to this latest scenario with very different
yet almost close ideas.  There are misunderstandings and grudges and past
grievances that may never get sorted out.

This is just a suggestion .. I hope those of you that *love* evolt as much
as I do will participate.  How about we all take a week or two to jot down
on paper (ok type on a web space or email):

What it is that each of us wants to do for evolt.org.  Some possible ideas:

* list administration
* editing/reviewing/approving articles
* answering general contact email (except for meo and lists)
* meo and all that it encompasses, creating new accounts, assisting users
* deal with installed software issues and plan upgrades (for all the
boxes/subsites)
* network administration - looking after servers (locally and remotely)
* hardware, bandwidth issues
* IA mixed with designing (or redesigning) various subsites
* actual pixel wranglers (designers/css)
* coders - to code in CF for teo/weo/leo(minimal) [and feo] and other sub
sites
* coders - to code in PHP for deo (in addition to Simon :)
* testers/content writers/developers for teo/weo
* database gurus - work on ueue (to a degree) and responsible for overseeing
all major database schema changes/required for all sites, including tuning
oracle
* data guys - individuals that can work with oracle, add tables, modify
existing schemas,  set up new schemas as required -  work approved by gurus
* advocacy issues - press releases
* financial issues - collecting of monies and review of disbursements
* sellers/promotional  - tagwear, mouse pads
* project managers in charge of various subsites and ensuring that the
things are getting done that relate to their subsite (e.g. weo, leo, meo,
deo)
* documenting specifications for new projects/ideas (project requirements
gathering, consensus, etc.)
* user/administrator documentation for each project (e.g. user's guide for
aeo)
* tip harvester (in addition to Dean)
* tip categorization
* xml, xsl feeds
* other tasks that I am sure to have forgotten.

I'm not talking about access or privileges or anything like that.  I'm
asking for how each person wants to contribute back to evolt in a manner
that they enjoy and that will make them feel like they are making a
worthwhile contribution.

So, make your own list .. determine what it is YOU want to do .. how much
time you could commit on a regular basis .. which tasks you would like to
undertake as a "backup/emergency" person when the need arises, etc.

This isn't about power, or titles (Admin) or anything like that.  It's a
fact-gathering exercise to determine what each person would like to do and
how they'd like to contribute.

Me, I'd like to be "Senior QA/QC Developer" on teo .. responsible for
testing, coordinating bugs/changes with Jeff (and others) .. reporting to
the person in charge of moving the code on teo to production (weo).  I'd
also like to help develop the teo web site in other ways, via mock ups or
directly in the code and Jeff (or someone else) wraps the CF around it.  I'd
also like to continue in the capacity of keeping things organized and in
order on thesite.  Making sure the various teams have enough people to get
things done, finding new volunteers, putting them together with a team
that's needed, etc.  Ensuring that things don't get lost in the shuffle and
that consensus has been achieved before implementation begins, etc.   [Note,
this is not comprehensive nor well thought out .. I'll answer the survey
when I have more time.]

I'd like to also send this to thesite for their input.  I think it's a
worthwhile exercise for everyone.

It would probably be easier to keep track of, if people send me their
responses or URL's and I'll coordinate everything together and post em for
all to see at the same time.

All submissions due to me by May 3rd (I'll see if Dan needs an extension
since he returns on the 1st .. anyone else requiring an extension, please
let me know)

If you don't want to participate at all .. that's fine too.

TIA,

Michele



From michele at wordpro.on.ca  Thu Apr 18 01:06:00 2002
From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster)
Date: Thu Apr 18 00:06:00 2002
Subject: [thesite] Acronym's
Message-ID: <01c301c1e696$ae2dbb00$95aa2642@aci.on.ca>

Sorry folks ...


www.evolt.org - w.e.o
browsers.evolt.org - b.e.o
lists.evolt.org - l.e.o
members.evolt.org - m.e.o
directory.evolt.org - d.e.o
admin.evolt.org - a.e.o (in progress)
food.evolt.org - f.e.o (in progress)
unified evolt user ???? - ueue   (unified user log in)



From webguru at vsnl.net  Thu Apr 18 01:54:02 2002
From: webguru at vsnl.net (Madhu Menon)
Date: Thu Apr 18 00:54:02 2002
Subject: [thesite] feo notifications
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020418111901.03c6b0c0@203.197.12.4>

Where do the article alert notifications for feo recipes go? It hasn't come
to admin. I just submitted a recipe and it hasn't shown up anywhere.

Thanks,

Madhu

<<<   *   >>>
Madhu Menon
User Experience Consultant
e-mail: webguru@vsnl.net


From luminosity at members.evolt.org  Thu Apr 18 03:12:00 2002
From: luminosity at members.evolt.org (Lachlan Cannon)
Date: Thu Apr 18 02:12:00 2002
Subject: [thesite] Stuff to do
In-Reply-To: <015901c1e653$b3c523c0$95aa2642@aci.on.ca>
References: <015901c1e653$b3c523c0$95aa2642@aci.on.ca>
Message-ID: <1044.139.130.216.191.1019113868.squirrel@members.evolt.org>

All this stuff has reminded me of another thing to add to the todo list.
Theforum approved seperating the user preference page's 'send notification
of comments' into two seperate options. One for if people have commented on
an article you've written, and a second for if people commetn on an article
you've commented on.

If someone has the time / resources can they please implement this.

Lach



From mwarden at mattwarden.com  Thu Apr 18 07:11:00 2002
From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt)
Date: Thu Apr 18 06:11:00 2002
Subject: [thesite] feo notifications
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020418111901.03c6b0c0@203.197.12.4>
Message-ID: 

feo_articles@mattwarden.com

which is where they should go because the site ain't done/live and is
still in testing (and development) phase. if you want to do some
development, i can set up a fwd rule to you too.

i'll get to your article in 2-35 days. heh. just kidding.

On Apr 18, Madhu Menon had something to say about [thesite] feo notifications

>Where do the article alert notifications for feo recipes go? It hasn't come
>to admin. I just submitted a recipe and it hasn't shown up anywhere.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Madhu


--
mattwarden
mattwarden.com


From ppxsjc1 at nottingham.ac.uk  Thu Apr 18 09:57:11 2002
From: ppxsjc1 at nottingham.ac.uk (Simon Coggins)
Date: Thu Apr 18 08:57:11 2002
Subject: [thesite] What do you want to do ?
Message-ID: 

> What it is that each of us wants to do for evolt.org?

I'd like to carry on looking after the directory project, hopefully
developing it in the direction that was discussed some time ago. If anyone
who knows PHP/MySQL has some free time and is interested in helping out,
you can find out more about what we have in mind here:

http://members.evolt.org/~directory/docs/guide.html

or get in touch with me directly.

Cheers,

Simon



From michele at wordpro.on.ca  Thu Apr 18 20:55:00 2002
From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster)
Date: Thu Apr 18 19:55:00 2002
Subject: [thesite] Fact Finding Mission
Message-ID: <026701c1e73c$ccb43260$95aa2642@aci.on.ca>

Further to the email I sent out yesterday .. the Fact Finding is being
gathered together on Martin's wiki.

Here's the link.  http://freezope2.nipltd.net/acorn/evolt/FactFindingMission

Holler if you have any questions.  I wrote a brief paragraph of instructions
at the bottom.

Thanks ya'll for taking the time to write this up.


Michele



From martin at members.evolt.org  Fri Apr 19 08:08:03 2002
From: martin at members.evolt.org (Martin)
Date: Fri Apr 19 07:08:03 2002
Subject: [thesite] 404 errors exposing debugging info
Message-ID: <04A342C2-538E-11D6-BAE3-000502172AD3@members.evolt.org>


Begin forwarded message:

> From: "evolt.org info" 
> Date: Fri Apr 19, 2002  05:54:53  am Europe/London
> To: "evolt.org admin" 
> Subject: [admin] Mail Alert! - Fri Apr 19 24956
> Reply-To: admin@lists.evolt.org
>
>
>
> There is a mail message on the evolt site-
> From: Ben Phillips
> Date: 19-Apr-02 05:54 AM CST
> Answer at:
> http://admin.evolt.org/email/index.cfm?action=detail&cid=24956
>
> UA:   Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1)
> IP:   62.115.225.82
> From:
> http://www.evolt.org/article/Regular_Expression_Basics/20/22700/index.html
>
> Message:
>
> http://www.evolt.org.
>
> visit this address (with the full stop included). i'm know nothing
> about cold fusion, but i guess this debugging page isn't the type of
> page you want returned to a user who types in a url incorrectly?
>
> i know it's probably nothing really, but i thought i would share.
>
> benji.
>
> Would someone please answer it?  Thank you sexily.
>
>
> ___________________________________________________
> sure, it can scale up if need be,
> but it needs to suck ass first
>
>
_______________________________________________
email: martin@easyweb.co.uk             PGP ID:	0xA835CCCB
	martin@members.evolt.org      snailmail:	30 Shandon Place
   tel:	+44 (0)774 063 9985				Edinburgh,
   url:	http://www.easyweb.co.uk			Scotland


From luminosity at members.evolt.org  Fri Apr 19 09:38:00 2002
From: luminosity at members.evolt.org (Lachlan Cannon)
Date: Fri Apr 19 08:38:00 2002
Subject: [thesite] Answers
Message-ID: <1046.139.130.216.191.1019223435.squirrel@members.evolt.org>

Reading through the leadership topics that have come up recently, it seems
that everyone acknowledges that there are problems with the way leadership
works at the moment, but no one has any answers. I believe a good solution
to this problem would be something like this.

Admin gets turned into something more like BoD. All the activities that have
to do with running the site (answering emails, approving articles) get
broken up and taken out of that group. This way anyone who feels that this
is a way they can help evolt can participate in them (given of course that
they are considered trustworthy enough to speak on behalf of the
organisation - someone else has to vouch for them?).

All seperate tasks to do with running the site, are broken up and given a
leader or a small group of leaders from different timezones (so someone is
always there to make the decisions). They run that task according to a spec
of how they should run it which is decided upon by this body upon setting up
of that task group. If they need help with stuff they can make a to do list
and accept help from people who want to help out with whatever. They are
responsible for all additions though, so they have to review contributions
from volunteers to make sure they work properly. All leaders of the group
will have certain times they have elected to be responsible for - no
overlap, which would result in disputes. Say the day is broken up into 4
periods, you then have one leader from a timezone which is up and about in
that period, who has signed on as responsible for that period. If they can't
do the duties on a certain day they are responsible for finding a substitute
(they could still ask the site or the forum or whatever for volunteers, but
in the end they have to choose who does it). The leaders can have subleaders
for certain tasks if necessary. For example, you could have a leader for
approving articles, and then 'subleaders'. The subleaders could take on
articles when they're submitted, contact the author, fix up grammar, make
minor changes, get the author's approval for bigger changes etc, and then
the subleader deems the article ready. The leader then reads over it for
final approval and either sends it back or allows it through - this way you
can have a bunch of talented people working to help evolt, without disputes
happening. To take another example, subleaders could write replies to emails
and then submit them to the leader for approval.

The task area, as I said earlier would be decided upon by this body upon
formation of the task group - the rules would have to be pretty explicit in
covering what they were and weren't allowed to do, and covering the scope of
their task. for example, if the offer of hosting had come up after this was
formed, it would be the responsibility of the email group to respond to the
emails, but they would have to come to this group for getting their
responses. If it was alleged that the leader at a certain time had broken
the rules laid out for them, then it would be the responsibility of admin to
vote on whether they thought that person should be allowed to continue with
that activity or not. That would be admins sole charging under this new
scheme - thus delivering more power to the community, while still keeping a
tight rein on what happens.

The reason I think we need leaders for is that while groups are fine, they
take their time. there is always a need for decisive action sooner or later,
and if someone takes it without consulting the group then they will be
blasted later, even though the action may be necessary. It is also necessary
to have more than one so there is always one person around who'll be
responsible for that section - eg if a very important email comes through it
might need to be dealt with straight away, or a spammer needs to be removed
from a list immediately.

This system will ensure (I hope) that we don't run into these kind of
disputes again, that there is a clear system for getting things done, and
that everyone who wants to contribute will be able to.

Also, this should help with a move more towards a nfp. The admin group will
be acting more like a bod, and less like a correspondence group. This will
also structure things better for an easier transition.

One other thing - if the current offer of hosting doesn't work, I think we
should start looking for it elsewhere somewhere. While I absolutely
appreciate all the work Dan has done, there are definitely problems with it
being so closely associated with him. If we can host elsewhere, then it
becomes less of a Dan thing - whether blaming or standing up for. Also, when
the evolt name needs renewing, evolt.org should try to be a proper nfp by
then, i think, so that it can be renewed under evolts name. Also, moving the
hosting away should help hopefully, along with merchandise, other
fundrasiing, etc should help with relieving Dan of the hosting costs. This
has the benefit of helping relieve the financial burden from Dan, and of
making it seem more like the organisation - everyone - is in charge. The
face of evolt should be evolt, not Dan, as it is misconceived to be now.
Note, I have no problems with what Dan has done, I just feel evolt needs to
get a more professional face. Becoming an nfp should of course also help
bring in more donations.

Question - if evolt does colo the servers, can we still accept donations of
parts for the servers, or do we get stuck with what we have, and only be
able to take in software / money donations? Problem with this of course
being that without constant upgrades, and with constantly increasing
demands, no doubt we'd need to purchase entirely new machines to colo to
replace the older ones which would add to growing costs.

Problems I can see with this system -

People being jealous of someone else being the leader - this one really
relies on people acting grown up, is all.

People not letting others work in their section - for instance what has
happened with Adrian with the Admin at the moment (no finger pointing here,
just an example). Leaders could deny others access to their groups during
their times. Of course leaders need discretion in choosing who to let work
with them. They may not know someone well enough to trust them, or they may
simply have too many workers for them, after all too many cooks spoil the
broth (why broth, anyway? I'd much rather have chefs working on desserts, or
something *nice*). Maybe leaders could refer people to other groups which
need work liek the person is offering if there isn't room?

Not having enough people volunteer to cover all time sections of a
particular group. Not much you can do about this one.

Overlap of groups. for example, let's say there was a CMS group with Jeff as
the leader, a Database group with Rudy as the leader, and a server group
with Dan as the leader - how much access can Jeff expect, and when does he
start infringing on the others territories? (note, once again no commenting
on things here, just offering this up as a potential problem).

Rivalries within groups. Factioning within subleaders, or with leaders
against other leaders. I think this shouldn't be too hard to solve. It needs
to be understood that this sort of thing won't be tolerated - while it's
fine to disagree on how something should be done, there is a limit to the
disagreement, and how far people can go. If some person goes too far, then
IMO they should be out (depending on vote of Admin group of course).

Unsolved issues with this solution -

the overlap issue again. if dan is leader of servers, and jeff wants access
to servers, does jeff have to ask dan for access?

fragmentation - it's possible that this might fragment the larger groups of
evolt apart too far, which would of course not be good. somehow everything
needs to be broguht back to the central community - maybe theforum / thesite
could act as central hubs for co ordinating activites? or a new seperate
list? of course fragmentation to a small degree can be good, too. small
groups can work far more productively.

I'm sure I had more stuff to add to this, but I seem to have forgotten it
while I was writing the rest out. please tell me what you think, or offer
your own solutions to the problems which have been discussed - but please,
lets keep the problems out of dicsussion, unless they have some bearing on
the solutions. Besides, I think that everything has been said mostly -
everyone is just repeating the same points. Please no one take this as a
personal attack, and can everyone else please stop mentioning names (unless
it's just as examples for a scenario). Mentioning names, even if it isn't
fingerpointing will always seem to come across as it. Also, can we please
not keep discussing what has happened in the past - this leads to 'well I
did this', or 'I tried that' or 'so and so didn't want this', which leads
again to finger pointing, or restating the problems, which really isn't
helping anymore.

Thanks

Lach

note, I've cced admin and thesite, since I feel changes such as these will
greatly impact them as well, and they should have a say if they want one
(and aren't on this list already) sorry for the double post if you're on
more than one.

further note, if you want to quickly clarify a point I've made which you
don't feel is significant enough for theforum, don't email me - I only read
it once or twice a day. instead you should be able to get hold of me on msn
messenger as luminosity@members.evolt.org



From roselli at earthlink.net  Fri Apr 19 09:43:03 2002
From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark)
Date: Fri Apr 19 08:43:03 2002
Subject: [thesite] April community news wants you(r news)
Message-ID: <200204191342.g3JDgwJf015372@leo.evolt.org>

just a reminder to all you folks: we want to hear from you... if you've
got any submissions for the next "community news" article, please
do send them in via our contact form at
http://www.evolt.org/contact/index.html

the evolt.org monthly recap is a summary of awards, meetings, and
fresh opportunities relevant to all of us... you can read all about it
here:
http://evolt.org/article/list/27/18210/index.html

the next recap will appear in the first week of May, so please do
send your news in by the end of April...

i know madhu said we'd send a reminder in the last week, but i'm
just too punchy, and hope to give y'all time to gather your thoughts
(is 10 days enough?)...

there's always room in the treehouse for more monkeys, but it's a
bring-your-own-banana event...

miriam, this is for you, baby... now gimme some sugar!


From michele at wordpro.on.ca  Sat Apr 20 00:15:01 2002
From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster)
Date: Fri Apr 19 23:15:01 2002
Subject: [thesite] Fact Finding Mission .. Day 3   :)
Message-ID: <006901c1e821$f4170a40$95aa2642@aci.on.ca>

Just a reminder folks ...

Please fill out the Fact Finding Mission (hereinafter called theFFM :) found
at:
http://freezope2.nipltd.net/acorn/evolt/FactFindingMission

I really think this is a worthwhile exercise and it coincides very nicely
with the structure document that Martin posted that he and Dan had been
working on.  I've also got several ideas for that .. but no time to
formalize them .. and I want to wait until I see the results of theFFM.

I hope everyone will take the time to fill this out as accurately and
honestly as possible.

Thanks,

Michele
P.S.  Special Kudos to the following individuals for having already filled
in their information:

PeterPaulKoch
AndrewForsberg
MicheleFoster
SimonCoggins
JeffHowden (in progress)
KenKogler
MartinBurns
RonDorman (in progress)
MiriamFrost
GarrettCoakley



From jeff at members.evolt.org  Sat Apr 20 00:20:01 2002
From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff)
Date: Fri Apr 19 23:20:01 2002
Subject: [thesite] 404 errors exposing debugging info
In-Reply-To: <04A342C2-538E-11D6-BAE3-000502172AD3@members.evolt.org>
Message-ID: 

martin & ben,

><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
> From: Martin
>
> > http://www.evolt.org.
> >
> > visit this address (with the full stop included).
> > i'm know nothing about cold fusion, but i guess
> > this debugging page isn't the type of page you want
> > returned to a user who types in a url incorrectly?
><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><

fixed on teo.

thanks,

.jeff

http://evolt.org/
jeff@members.evolt.org
http://members.evolt.org/jeff/



From dmah at shaw.ca  Mon Apr 22 00:54:00 2002
From: dmah at shaw.ca (Dean Mah)
Date: Sun Apr 21 23:54:00 2002
Subject: [thesite] Virus Alert
Message-ID: <200204220453.g3M4rwG04275@alice.monkeyland.ca>

Sorry for the intrusion.

It looks like there is an e-mail virus working it's way through the
evolt.org lists.  Messages appear to come from list members or thelist
itself.  Subjects of the messages vary.  The attachments masquerade as
.jpg files.  Delete these messages without viewing them.

Dean

- on behalf of evolt.org

From hblair at hotfootmail.com  Mon Apr 22 00:58:01 2002
From: hblair at hotfootmail.com (Hugh Blair)
Date: Sun Apr 21 23:58:01 2002
Subject: [thesite] Virus Alert
In-Reply-To: <200204220453.g3M4rwG04275@alice.monkeyland.ca>
Message-ID: 

> -----Original Message-----
> On Behalf Of Dean Mah
>
> Sorry for the intrusion.
>
> It looks like there is an e-mail virus working it's way through the
> evolt.org lists.  Messages appear to come from list members or thelist
> itself.  Subjects of the messages vary.  The attachments masquerade as
> .jpg files.  Delete these messages without viewing them.

Nothing has made it through to me. Just lucky? I haven't seen an atttachment
from evolt.org since...forever?

-Hugh

From dmah at shaw.ca  Mon Apr 22 01:07:01 2002
From: dmah at shaw.ca (Dean Mah)
Date: Mon Apr 22 00:07:01 2002
Subject: [thesite] Virus Alert
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <200204220506.g3M569F04356@alice.monkeyland.ca>

Hugh Blair writes:

> > -----Original Message-----
> > On Behalf Of Dean Mah
> >
> > Sorry for the intrusion.
> >
> > It looks like there is an e-mail virus working it's way through the
> > evolt.org lists.  Messages appear to come from list members or thelist
> > itself.  Subjects of the messages vary.  The attachments masquerade as
> > .jpg files.  Delete these messages without viewing them.
>
> Nothing has made it through to me. Just lucky? I haven't seen an
> atttachment from evolt.org since...forever?

You likely won't see an attachment in a real e-mail message from
evolt.org lists.  Dan has MG stripping them out for most lists.
However, from what I know, the virus messages only appear to be coming
from thelist or members of thelist.

I haven't seen them myself either but some of the admin members have
reported getting them perhaps as a result of harvesting e-mail
addresses from the old archives.

Dean


From test at sohu.com  Mon Apr 22 09:23:00 2002
From: test at sohu.com (merry)
Date: Mon Apr 22 08:23:00 2002
Subject: [thesite] test
Message-ID: <200204221322.g3MDMFJf028879@leo.evolt.org>

[ Converted text/html to text/plain ]

test[1]

===References:===
  1. mailto:hhpp@ynmail.com


From dmah at members.evolt.org  Wed Apr 24 14:48:00 2002
From: dmah at members.evolt.org (Dean Mah)
Date: Wed Apr 24 13:48:00 2002
Subject: [thesite] looking for something to do...
In-Reply-To: <"from dave"@worlddomination.net>
References: 
 <3CBDFB05.8020302@worlddomination.net>
Message-ID: <20020424124626.A1857@alice.cg.shawcable.net>

Sorry for the late reply.  I'm slowing starting to catch up with the
lists.  If you, or anyone else, sends me their weo login, I will set
them up so that they can classify tips.

And thanks to Alan for perservering.  Most of the other people gave up
on classifying tips a long time ago and didn't last half as long.  I
should've added a field in the table to keep track of who classified
the tips and we could've had a contest.

Dean


On Wed, Apr 17, 2002 at 03:45:25PM -0700, David Wagner wrote:
> Holographic wrote:
> > Yeah I could do with a hand with tip classification. I am working through
> > them (slowly) :(
>
> [stepping out of the shadows...]
>
> I'd be happy to volunteer some time to classify tips. I've been meaning
> to offer my assistance in general, since I ain't contributing any other
> way... but I'm just so lazy... :)
>
> Anyway, if someone wants to contact me re: this job and/or other
> editing-type stuff, I'd be much obliged. (I have maybe 3-5 hours/week of
> procrastination time to devote to stuff.)
>
> Thanks.

From martin at members.evolt.org  Wed Apr 24 21:37:01 2002
From: martin at members.evolt.org (Martin)
Date: Wed Apr 24 20:37:01 2002
Subject: [thesite] Fwd: Your email to evolt.org 25361
Message-ID: <26DD2B3F-57E4-11D6-BFDF-000502172AD3@members.evolt.org>

Original message

>> Message:
>>
>> I noticed that your forum is a bit obsulete. If you want me to make a
>> forum for you using reliable forum software, I would do it for free.
>> Also, if you want a site design, since your site offers so many great
>> tips and advice, I'd do that for free. I just wanna put it in my
>> portfolio. My design site is located at
>> http://www.zealousdesign.com/ ... Thanks!

Begin forwarded message:

> From: "James Pederson" 
> Date: Fri Jan 25, 2002  01:29:15  am Europe/London
> To: 
> Subject: Re: Your email to evolt.org 25361
> Reply-To: "James Pederson" 
>
> Martin,
>
> I'm sorry, I think you seem to have misunderstood what I meant, I in no
> way
> meant to say that your software was obsolete, I just said that the forum
> design isn't very attractive. I just meant to offer my design services.
> The
> software that runs the full site is great, it's very complete and
> apparently
> reliable! Sorry for the misunderstanding.
>
> I was just wondering if you want me to make a mock-up of what I could
> make
> the main site look like... Let me know please! This would be a free
> thing.
> If you haven't already checked out my design site, please feel free to
> visit
> it at http://www.zealousdesign.com/ . Thank you very much for your time!
>
> James Pederson
> webmaster@zealousdesign.com
> AIM: zealousdesign, zealoussupport, or Jamesguy3
_______________________________________________
email: martin@easyweb.co.uk             PGP ID:	0xA835CCCB
	martin@members.evolt.org      snailmail:	30 Shandon Place
   tel:	+44 (0)774 063 9985				Edinburgh,
   url:	http://www.easyweb.co.uk			Scotland


From michele at wordpro.on.ca  Sun Apr 28 03:01:00 2002
From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster)
Date: Sun Apr 28 02:01:00 2002
Subject: [thesite] Status of everything I can think of at the moment ... ;)
Message-ID: <005b01c1ee82$7172e980$dc38fea9@dansk.ca>

Hey ya'll .....

Just a note to bring myself up to date... I've been gone 6-8 weeks while I
sold my Condo in Toronto and moved into an apartment to Ottawa, Ontario.  It
has been an experience.. hehe.

So ......

What's happening on this list?  What's being worked on, what's in progress,
etc.

Headlines .. last I remember there needed to be some work done to add it to
the weo site.  However, there was a disagreement (i.e. not a consensus) on
how best to proceed with this and if in fact the addition of this list to
weo was necessary at this time or not.  Can someone (i.e. Dan, Jeff, Javier)
please provide an update on the status, what was decided if anything and how
we are proceeding?  Is there anything I, personally, need to do?

Project List .. Matt, did  you create anything?  Is it on my meo site, on
the wiki, or .. umm .. I dunno?  ;)

Dean, do you have enough individuals to look after tip classification?  Can
you teach Matt and/or Garrett how to go about adding individuals to be
allowed to classify tips?  If necessary, of course, I'm not sure if you have
enough people right now or not.

Adrian, what's up with the CSS files?  Have you taken over the
management/modifications of them?  Or, am I continuing to look after them?
Is there anything that needs to be done now?

The CMS Code ... has anyone volunteered to test/debug teo so that we may
roll the code up to production?  Ideally, we should have 1-2 testers that
follow this list closely, double-check that whatever changes get made work
correctly and as intended and that the changes correspond to the changelog
which gets filled out by the developers (usually .jeff).  Has anyone done
this in the past 6-8 weeks?  I sent out an email about two weeks ago asking
for volunteers to do this, but I don't think anyone responded.  So, anyone
???

Simon, any progress on your ver. 2 of the code for deo?  Do you still need
volunteers for that project?

Evolt redesign .. what's the status? Who's working on it?  Did we decide to
follow through with Miriam's suggestion of a "design contest"?

Garrett, I know you and I haven't had a minute to spare to even look at the
PHPGroupWare stuff.  What would you like to do with this?  Should we try to
slot in some time over the next few weeks to take a serious look at this
program?  Is anyone on this list familiar with this program, that wants to
help Garrett, Dan and I decide if it is something we want to pursue further,
mainly as a tool to help keep track of various projects, tasks,
responsibilities, etc. ?

The voting application .. now I realize that neither Garrett nor I have made
an assessment if the PHPGroupware voting system would be adequate or not to
meet our requirements as outlined by Amanda available somewhere on the Wiki,
but I can't seem to find it at the moment.  So assuming logically so, that
the PHP version will not meet our needs, the main requirement being to tie
into the weo DB, what's the status?  Who's working on this?  Jeff, logically
you should be leading .. are others working with you on this?

Matt, status on leo HTML/CSS updates that we discussed last week?  Did you
present the task to your colleague/friend?  Is this progressing?

Rudy, have you made an assessment and plan of the DB changes required to
categorize the various categories.  See this page for more detailed
information: http://members.evolt.org/Mishka/Words/cattypes.htm.  Note that
the final item "Proposed Changes" has already been approved per se on
theforum, so we can proceed with that in mind.  My understanding was that we
(thesite group members) had decided to proceed with the categorization of
the various categories.  So, what's up with the DB/Backend part of this?
Before Jeff (or someone else, under his direction) can proceed, the DB needs
a column added, the main categories (or types) defined and then the
individual categories assigned types.  Rudy, please let me (all of us) know
how this is proceeding, when you have a chance of course :)

Has everyone that wants to help out evolt.org on the backend, design, IA,
coding, HTML, CSS, etc. (anything related to site dev.) filled out the Fact
Finding Mission on the "wiki", located at::
http://freezope2.nipltd.net/acorn/evolt/FactFindingMission

Did I forget anything of importance???  Please let me know.

Thanks,

Michele


From r937 at interlog.com  Sun Apr 28 08:34:01 2002
From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy)
Date: Sun Apr 28 07:34:01 2002
Subject: [thesite] Status of everything I can think of at the moment ... ;)
Message-ID: <01c1eeb0$f12b8320$4de8059a@rudy>

> Adrian, what's up with the CSS files?  Have you taken over
> the management/modifications of them?  Or, am I continuing
> to look after them? Is there anything that needs to be done now?

i'm not adrian but yes, there's one change that we should work on

adrian had worked up a style to be applied to the 
 tag which would
render code blocks better than our current treatment with