bob, :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : From: Bob Davis : : maybe I should just buy Acrobat Exchange : and be done with it. :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ which reminds me. maybe you just need to print to pdf and not futz with it anymore. that's what we do here at work for proposals, invoices, and pretty much anything else we want to be formatted nicely, non-editable, and lighter-weight than a bloated word file. http://www.daneprairie.com/id33.htm enjoy, .jeff name://jeff.howden game://web.development http://www.evolt.org/ mailto:jeff at members.evolt.org