[thechat] No lies about the dead! (was: What about the economy?)

[Daniel J. Cody]

wolf,

this is simply facinating. would you mind if i forwarded it on to a 
couple friends?


.djc.

Wolfgang Bromberger wrote:
> <belated>
> No, he did not throw a fire extinguisher.
> Look it up at Indymedia.org, the Carabinieri (police)
> threw it _out_ of the car!
> Carlo Giulani happened to pick it up.
> And about the violence:
> 
> It was done by police.
> 
> Of course for those who watch only corporate media,
> and never hear of people who have been there, or have been there
> themselfes, they will never believe the really ugly truth.
> 
> I have pictures of police dressed as black anarchists beating
> up protesters, with help of policemen (which anarchist would
> wear a black cap with "Polizei" (police) stiched on it?).
> There are pictures of heavy armed "black block" demonstrators
> talking with police or walking out of police stations with other
> cops.
> Dozens of witnesses saw this, including an Oscar winning director,
> who even filmed one of those violent protestors showing him
> his dog mark and telling him to move away.
> 
> When italy.Indymedia.org announced that they have media-evidence that the
> police started the violence with undercover forces, the Indymedia
> center and the school were raided by special forces.
> There is even a political inquiry by the opposition, in case you
> cancel my words as from one of the "lunatics".
> 
> btw, they (the cops) did not only drive around before the
> murder (it was murder, no matter what lies they tell!) with
> their guns pointing at protestors, they drove with jeeps
> and tanks(!) _into the with teargas cornered crowds,
> which they fired from both ends of the demonstration and
> with helicopters from above, after the massacre ("the chilean night"
> it is called even by conservative papers in Italy, sorry Javier) at the
> Diaz school (with people afterwards in coma near death) they
> did not only force them to yell Mussolini and other fascist things,
> they kept asking "where is Giulani" and pointed with a gun to threaten to
> shoot
> them again and again, kept beating them up badly, and refused medical or
> diplomatic aid for many days, threatend the girls to rape them with ballots,
> made them undress in front of them, etc. etc. 
> Before Carlo was shot, the policeman did not shout "move, go away
> or I have to shoot", he yelled "I shoot you all bastards" and
> did not fire a warning shot, he shot Carlo two times in the head, at
> 
> two meters distance. He shot even more times, but noone else was hit.
> 
> Btw, they were not really cornered. If you have a chance, then please
> look at all of the pictures shot at those minutes.
> Not even 10 meters away there are at least twenty of robocops.
> They just stood there. After the shot they come and move the demonstrators
> away from Carlo, while those try to give first aid.
> 
> They wanted someone to die to escalate things. 
> 
> There are still people missing. People were washed
> on the shore a week later, dead, reason unknown. 
> There are still people missing after so long time has passed!
> Another woman has been found dead, strangled.
>  
> I could go on, but I stop.
> 
> All I say, keep an open mind and do not believe all that is in TV.
> (and maybe sometimes read up on indymedia.org or similiar)
> Please, try to gather information from all sides before talking
> bullshit. 
> Read up what people have to say who been there.
> 
> And I did not even start to talk about the circumstances of
> arresting and beating up the Austrian theater group
> Volxtheaterkaravane "Noborder-Nonation" and all the other
> peaceful who happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong
> time, or more true, had the wrong passport
> (because peaceful demonstrators make believe they are in the
> wrong place at the wrong time to demonstrate -which is a human
> right btw, in case you forgot- is exactly what they
> want).
> 
> </belated>
> 
> a very very angry
> 
> .wolf
> 
> p.s.:
> I just "love it" when people who obviosly never been at a demonstration,
> who did not get kicked the shit out by police for protesting peacefully,
> or shot by gas grenates,
> then talk big time about "those violent protestors", because
> they "saw it on tv".
> 
> Folks, wake up!
> 
> If you agree or not, I will peacefully respond (exept flames, where
> I keep the right to flame back) offlist, with URLs, attached pics,
> whatever you need to understand.
> 
> 
> At 09:03 23.07.01 -0500, you wrote:
> 
>>not to start a holy war here :)
>>
>>buttt.... they are dressed like that to deal with the tear gas, the more 
>>extreme of them wear home made body armor to protect against rubber bullets.
>>
>>and ya he was throwing a fire extinguisher at a police vehicle. a fully 
>>armored, bullet proof, loaded with thugs carrying fully automatic 
>>weapons police vehicle. did they shoot him cus the extinguisher put a 
>>dent in their little assault vehicle?
>>
>>i saw a picture of the scene(which they aren't showing on american TV 
>>i've noticed..) and the cop has a handgun pointed at the guys head, and 
>>the guy has the extinguisher still in his hand..
>>
>>and doesn't it seem a little extreme to use deadly force(then run him 
>>over a couple times just for good measure!!) on a guy who's going to 
>>hurl an extinguisher at your vehicle?
>>
>>ya, some of them are wack, but being lunatics doesn't mean you deserve 
>>to be killed.. i mean, no one has bothered to ask why the hell all these 
>>people are protesting in the first place..
>>
>>:)
>>
>>Ron White wrote:
>>
>>
>>>He got shot after throwing a fire extinguisher at a police vehicle. I say
>>>its his own damn fault, as well as the rest of those friggin lunatics. They
>>>were dressed and looking for trouble in the pictures I've seen...
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>Ron White
>>><snip>
>>>didn't a guy get shot after cornering a policeman?
>>>
>>>i think that "violence at the g-8 summit" is fairly accurate...
>>></snip>