Well, Milwaukee's a little far from northern California. So are there any evolt folks in California who might want to figure out something on the West coast sometime? I'm in the Sacramento area, about 2 hours northeast of San Francisco. Up for a party, Shirley -- Shirley E. Kaiser, M.A., SKDesigns mailto:skaiser at skdesigns.com Web Site Design, Development http://www.skdesigns.com/ WebsiteTips: Design Resources http://www.websitetips.com/ Brainstorms and Raves http://www.brainstormsandraves.com/