At 04:25 AM 5/29/2002, you wrote: >i cannot in good conscience reveal where i stole these from > >rudy Could it be... www.dumblaws.com ? Hurrah! We've got a winner. And it's not restricted to Texas. :) And I know I've posted that URL here before. Regards, Madhu <<< * >>> Madhu Menon User Experience Consultant e-mail: webguru at vsnl.net