so i'm searching for some arcane piece of sql info, going so far as to follow search engine links even to asp sites, and i land on this particular site, and their *jokes* section automatically opens in a second window!!! can you believe that??!! so anyway, maybe you've seen these "hidden settings" before, but i hadn't, and they're a hoot -- http://www.aspcode.net/jokes/showcard.php?id=5 rudy