At 03:40 PM 7/9/2002, you typed: >did i ever mention my "three rules" that i taught them? > >1. don't give up >2. no whining >3. be nice to everybody I'm glad I stopped by thechat to see what's going on. Been awhile. Tremendous advice, Rudy. I'm planting those words on my refrigerator for mine to see. :-) Warmly, Shirley -- Shirley E. Kaiser, M.A., SKDesigns mailto:skaiser1 at skdesigns.com Website Design, Development http://www.skdesigns.com/ WebsiteTips: Design Resources http://www.websitetips.com/ Brainstorms and Raves http://www.brainstormsandraves.com/ WaSP Steering Committee http://www.webstandards.org/