[thechat] rationality is not enough (was: New Year's Resolution)

[Syed Zeeshan Haider]

From: "Madhu Menon"
To: <thechat at lists.evolt.org>
Sent: January 04, 2003, Saturday 9:54 AM
Subject: Re: [thechat] rationality is not enough (was: New Year's Resolution)


> I believe in purple three-headed monsters from
> Jupiter, so they exist too. (Not making fun of you, just making a point.)


This example of monsters is a little bit amusing me.

> >My belief is based on some
> >practical experiences of some of my relatives and of my own.
>
> I have no idea what these experiences may be, but let's just say these
> things never happen to me. Why do these experiences happen only to certain
> types of people?

Surely, there are spiritual types of knowledges. If you acquire them, you can
make the spiritual acts happen. But these knowledges are not as easy as science.
It's what I believe.

> Much lies in interpretation. If a telephone call from a friend delayed your
> leaving the house, which saved you from the torrential rain that came about
> the same time as your initial time of departure, you could interpret it as
> an act of kindness from a supernatural power, or you could just consider it
> random chance.

A common man calls such an incidence a coincidence.
There are different types of spiritualism. I had such an experience. My brother
was sitting on floor and watching TV. I asked him to get on bed. Right after 5
minutes the ceiling fan fell down on the floor at the same place where my
brother was sitting. I call it a coincidence. But religiously talking, according
to Islam, Allah does control man's life incidents at occasions and saves him
from accidents. He just creates the situations to save the man. It is called
everyday type of spirituality.
It happens to almost every person on this planet. It's his interpretation that
counts.

> Got any experiences to share?

Sure.

Do you believe in ghosts? My maternal uncle has been living with ghosts for many
months. He was never afraid of them. Not even my uncle but also his neighbours
were familiar of ghosts' presence and were never afraid. They were very peaceful
kind of ghosts. In 1971 Pak-India war, they left my uncles home. My uncle thinks
that the ghosts did not like the explosions of bombs.

In my village, there lived a man Hussain. People named him Saeen Hussain. He was
mentally abnormal by birth. But he had a spiritual power. He could accurately
predict future events about people. He could even predict deaths and births.
When his father became ill before death, Hussain said to his mother, "Your
husband is dead". It was his style that he repeated his predictions many times
and told to his mother only. His mother believed in him. She asked him not to
say so but he continued to repeat his prediction, which became true after some
days. He could predict about anybody without knowing him/her. Once when Hussain
was a young man, his mother said to him, "Why don't you get some job?", after
that he did not speak for two days. After two days, he said, "Saeen Hussain is
the servant of Saeen Raheem." Saeen Raheem is a spiritual and religious
personality who lived about two hundred years ago. When his mother died he kept
on weeping up to his death. He also died after some days.

Many of you will say "What the hell is Syed saying". But it's nothing but truth.
Even the most rational and scientific people began to believe him after
obserbving the accuracy of his predictions.

I know a woman who has been a magician, not that magic which you enjoy in circus
but the evil magic. She abandoned her magic when she was threatened to be killed
by her relatives.

> >I think spirituality exists but scientists are simply ignoring it.
>
> I doubt it. If spiritual phenomena manifested themselves consistently and
> in some measurable way, we might actually be able to study them. If the
> Lord stopped acting in "mysterious ways" (wats wit dat?) and just made an
> appearance to clear things up, it would be so much more helpful. Instead,
> we have to depend on accounts from thousands of years back, and they didn't
> even have the Internet back then. ;)

Just begin your search today. You will find some practical evidences of good or
bad spirituality in about one yaer. I think most of such evidences are
*off-line*.

Islamic beliefs tell us (as spirituality is a part of Islam) that Allah does not
interrupt the life of man very often because it's against man's free will. If
somebody wants to experience spirituality then he'll have to strive for it.

> Me: There are purple three-headed monsters from Jupiter who are 10 feet
> tall and can melt you with their gaze.
> Scientist: Not that we know of. We've never seen one.
> Me: See, you never seen any. So how do you know that they don't exist?
> Scientist: We've never seen the Loch Ness monster, the Yeti, or Bigfoot. Do
> we just assume they exist?
> Me: Damn it, I'm *telling* you they exist. They appeared to me in a dream.
> Scientist: Can you get them to appear for the rest of us too so we can
> capture it on tape?
> Me: Not sure. They only talk to some special people.

Amusing!

I tried to be NOT religious in this post as my friends here are tired of my
religious posts, but I had to refer to my religion to clear my points.

Syed Zeeshan Haider.
http://syedzeeshanhaider.faithweb.com/