[thechat] canada's new democratic party

[rudy]

> I hate it when people talk about the government basically
> taking *their* money.

um, okay, then whose money is it?

tax freedom day in canada, last i heard, was july something

> It's like they think that they live in a vacuum, or at least not in
> a society of other people.

hey, i don't mind paying taxes for social programs, what p*sses me off is
that the social program slice of the pie gets so bloody roaring out of
control whenever left-of-center parties get into power, and has bloody
little to do with the actual recipients of society's largesse than with
furthering the political careers of those in in power

i personally want a government that says "this is ridiculous" and puts the
onus back on people to stop expecting handouts and start supporting
themselves more

yeah, i know, i know, there are those who cannot, et cetera...

> you still benefit from living in a country where government
> programs lessen the hurt of poverty, ignorance and crime

yes, and i really do appreciate how lucky i am to live in canada and not
some imperialist wacko evil global tyrant country like our fine neighbours
to the south, where each missile in the arsenal costs a half a million bucks
and a bomber two billion

but hey, let's get real about this "lessen the hurt of poverty" idealism --
if you give stuff away, there will always be more people lining up for it
than you've got to give, and the answer is *not* to give more away, but less

not enough affordable housing?  gee, let's have the taxpayers build some
more

i think socialists have a fundamental blind spot as to how the economy works

but anyhow, about layton, yes, i know he's a nice guy, i met him, and sure,
he might not be a "commie" but the way i see it, the liberals are too pink
already, and the ndp is worse

rudy