i just got us a license for chilisoft asp on meo http://members.evolt.org/djc/stdio/index.cfm/daddy/show/mommy/144 and http://members.evolt.org/djc/stdio/index.cfm/daddy/show/mommy/145 i'll be posting an email address that people can send a 'thanks' message to if they're so inclined. weeeeeeee .djc.