let's not forget what we have achieved, *despite* people like me: http://www.google.com/search?as_q=evoltspotting&num=20&as_dt=i&as_site search=lists.evolt.org&safe=off&submit=Go too bad it only shows hits from thesite... there are a *lot* more out there... look at people linking to evolt.org in general: http://www.google.com/search?num=20&hl=en&safe=off&q=link%3Aevolt.org& btnG=Google+Search 850 member-submitted articles... 2000+ members... 5+ sites... 4 years of web developer help... there is a *lot* to be proud of here, a *lot* to explore... http://lists.evolt.org/theforumarchive/Week-of-Mon-20020225/003347.html perhaps a better step is to look at what *works* and write it in stone, use it as a foundation... perhaps it can go on simultaneously... perhaps i'll got to bed or iron a hawaiian shirt for tomorrow...