> > Yes, being "super nice" would be very unproductive -- much more so > > than being a total dick to people who want to volunteer their time to > > help this community. > > Well aren't *we* the 'making an effort on the people side' one. Sounds like you took this personal. Had nothing to do with you. Sorry for the confusion. The bottom line is that I agree that the process was violated -- I don't think anyone is disputing that. It's in how we correct the behavior that is in question. Maybe *you* and John feel like you don't care if someone like Alan is pushed away, but I do. I don't remember us discussing that treating our contributors like the way Alan was treated (completely ignoring his reaction, because it is irrelevant to this discussion) is acceptable and the way we want to do things. -- Matt Warden Cleveland, OH, USA http://mattwarden.com This email proudly and graciously contributes to entropy.