[theforum] Zombie!

[Adrian Roselli]

Carving out the part where you put me on the spot...

> 4) prepare the weo archive, anniversary and tribute thingies
> 
> This needs to be more fleshed out, but basically I envision the front page of
> weo becoming a one-shot page similar to info.cern.ch.  Someone needs to
> own the corralling of testimonials, even if the contact processes are farmed
> out to loads of people.  This is the really important bit, as it's the content we
> want to leverage for EVOLT15.
> We're kinda focusing on the technology side a little bit (well, I am, at least),
> but the 15th birthday of Evolt is what has lit up this process, and the content
> needs needs NEEDS to be the most important part, otherwise we might as
> well just punt thelist to google groups and shut everything else down.
> 
> Adrian, you were first to suggest this notion, which I love to bits.
> At the risk of shanghaiing you, do you fancy starting the ball rolling and
> sketching out what we need to do and who we need to talk to?


Yes, I can be convinced.

Humor me and harass me again this weekend if I don't have anything. Between meetings and up against a deadline this week so time to really focus on this is tough. I may have time Friday night or as part of a leisurely Sunday drive to both focus and bounce ideas off a trapped (unwilling) bystander.



> -----Original Message-----
> From: theforum-bounces at lists.evolt.org [mailto:theforum-
> bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of William Anderson
> Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 9:10 PM
> 
> On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 8:34 PM, Luther, Ron <Ron.Luther at hp.com> wrote:
> > Martin Burns noted:
> >>>Happy with
> >>>1) weo as static archive
> >>>2) lists ongoing
> >>>3) Cloud hosting (we've tried 'mates hosting' as primary before, and
> >>>suffered pain. Happy for mirrors, but not as the >>authoritative) -
> >>>AWS sounds fine - and tron dumpage
> >
> > +1!
> 
> Thanks for chiming in, Ron!  The more voices we get, the better.
> 
> This is another long reply, sorry, and I'm afraid the tl;dr boils down to "let's
> get shit done, with focus".
> 
> I'm of the opinion that this twitter account is a nice aside, but the priority has
> to be - must be - archiving weo, organising the hosting transfer,
> decommissioning tron, and starting work on collecting
> tributes/memories/testimonials/whatever-we-want-to-call-them to corral
> into a new static archive home page for evolt.org.  I also agree with Adrian
> that the twitter account thing needs a head of steam under it so that it can
> actually take flight and stay aloft rather than just sputtering off the ground
> then splatting back into the ground and continuing onwards in a state of non-
> motion.
> 
> So, that said, can I suggest the following tasks that need to be quickly scoped
> out, planned and have people sign up to work on them please?
> 
> 1) archive weo.
> 
> For now, genghis, emkay and I are working on this, and can I remind them
> both that the ec2 instance set up the other day is costing me money? :)
> 
> 2) prepare new hosting.
> 
> Dave K holds our pursestrings, so I think it is prudent at least that we figure
> out how to get ec2 set up formally for evolt the organisation.  I'd recommend
> initially (and please, someone jump in and tell me what I'm saying is bullshit,
> unless it isn't) that we open up an AWS account in evolt's name, and use
> AWSes IAM authentication thing to set up accounts for authorised
> volunteers to manage the infrastructure (once organised, this is probably a
> discussion that needs to happen on -sysadmin, but I imagine at very least
> me, genghis, dmah and dave will need access to be getting on with to pay for
> stuff and spin up appropriate authentication credentials and an EC2
> instance).
> 
> 3) migrate hosting.
> 
> The current plan, unless anyone has any objections, is for weo, leo, et al to
> be migrated to an EC2 instance.  This, in quick terms, means an Ubuntu 12.04
> LTS instance running Apache, MySQL, Postfix and Mailman as a base
> minimum.  We need to verify our mail flow in terms of message throughput,
> as Amazon don't like the appearance of spammers or bulk mailers.  Worst
> case, we'll need to "sign" a form on the AWS site in which we state we're not
> spammers, but we're going to be punting mail around.  There may be rate
> limits associated with this, so this is an important thing to research before we
> proceed.
> 
> Note that the kids over in css-discuss land need to be made aware of this, so
> someone needs to own that liaison process.
> 
> beo will go to my Kimsufi box in Montreal to keep bandwidth, storage and IO
> charges to a minimum on the EC2 instance, and it'll let me (and anyone else
> interested) faff around with the archive pending a complete overhaul (very
> quickly, I want to have a Wikipedia-like entry for every browser in the archive
> to accompany the download links, so that it becomes more of a museum
> than a dumping ground for exe, zip, bin.hqx, dmg and tgz files).
> 
> Again, this is all unless anyone else has anything they'd like to propose as an
> alternate.
> 
> 4) prepare the weo archive, anniversary and tribute thingies
> 
> This needs to be more fleshed out, but basically I envision the front page of
> weo becoming a one-shot page similar to info.cern.ch.  Someone needs to
> own the corralling of testimonials, even if the contact processes are farmed
> out to loads of people.  This is the really important bit, as it's the content we
> want to leverage for EVOLT15.
> We're kinda focusing on the technology side a little bit (well, I am, at least),
> but the 15th birthday of Evolt is what has lit up this process, and the content
> needs needs NEEDS to be the most important part, otherwise we might as
> well just punt thelist to google groups and shut everything else down.
> 
> Adrian, you were first to suggest this notion, which I love to bits.
> At the risk of shanghaiing you, do you fancy starting the ball rolling and
> sketching out what we need to do and who we need to talk to?
> 
> 5) get the word out.
> 
> Evolt will be 15 in December, people.  This is, in web years, a particularly
> fantastic thing to celebrate.  We need to let people know this is happening,
> and I don't just mean punting links onto reddit, hackernews or slashdot
> (although when the time comes, I think reddit could be a useful jumping off
> point, if there can be enough attention drawn from there).  I'm thinking
> engaging outfits like The Verge, Wired, etc etc.  I'm sure there are better
> people than I that can figure this out without making us look like lunatics or
> amateurs.
> 
> Of course there's no point in doing #5 until #1-3 are done, and #4 is well
> underway.  I kinda said that I thought June should be the discussion period,
> and July should be the migration period.  Aug-Sep should be our content
> collection and build time, and making sure everything's working time, with
> November the pre-birthday buildup where we try and get the word out
> about what's about to happen.
> Again, I'm sketching here, so let's get all of this at least nailed down in broad
> strokes, and tighten everything up as we go.
> 
> 
> ... that's all I have for right now.  Please, everyone: do make yourselves
> heard if you think any or all of this is a load of crap and could be done better
> and/or differently.  Please also make yourselves heard if any of the above is
> something you want to help with, although I think really #4 and #5 are the
> ones most suited to the wisdom of the crowds in terms of execution, and in
> the great scheme of things, probably the most important ones to get rolling.
> 
> -n
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