From martin at members.evolt.org Sun Apr 1 03:04:14 2001 From: martin at members.evolt.org (martin at members.evolt.org) Date: Sun Apr 1 03:04:14 2001 Subject: [thesite] new sidebars.. In-Reply-To: <018c01c0ba34$807a5360$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> References: Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010401090509.00aab340@members.evolt.org> Do you think it would be A Good Thing to make the Admin 'recent comments' sidebar generally accessible? It would certainly increase the number of comments we get... I also think it would be handy to have one which promotes older (unrated/preratings) articles of quality. Cheers Martin From joshua at alphashop.net Sun Apr 1 16:51:54 2001 From: joshua at alphashop.net (Joshua OIson) Date: Sun Apr 1 16:51:54 2001 Subject: [thesite] new sidebars.. References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010401090509.00aab340@members.evolt.org> Message-ID: <00b101c0bb0f$45c250c0$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> Is it reasonable/feasible to perhaps give the users the ability to select which sidebars they have present? It seems like there could be an endless combination of statistics that could be available about the articles if your viewing a specific article or just viewing the category in general, including Other Articles By Same Author, Top 5 Articles in Same Category, and all the one's you've mentioned up till now. -joshua ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: [thesite] new sidebars.. > Do you think it would be A Good Thing to make the Admin > 'recent comments' sidebar generally accessible? It would > certainly increase the number of comments we get... > > I also think it would be handy to have one which > promotes older (unrated/preratings) articles of quality. > > Cheers > Martin From seth at sethbienek.com Sun Apr 1 20:26:20 2001 From: seth at sethbienek.com (Seth Bienek) Date: Sun Apr 1 20:26:20 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tip Harvester question (was: [***] Formatting tips ) In-Reply-To: <01c0ba22$fe459000$014f149a@rudy> Message-ID: > come to think of it, the GROUP BY might not work either Dammit rudy, you tease.. :) Back to square one.. I have learned about opening and closing Oracle connections, though.. So lemme just throw this out there: Would it be better for me to parse the emails (several dozen megs) into a big giant structure, and then insert them into the database with one query? And if so, would I do that by just looping the insert statements , or is there some "database ninja" technique for getting them all (several thousand) in one query? Seth ------------------------------ Seth Bienek Solutions Development Manager Stonebridge Technologies, Inc. 972.455.7294 tel 972.404.9754 fax ICQ #7673959 ------------------------------ From jeff at members.evolt.org Sun Apr 1 21:44:20 2001 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (jeff) Date: Sun Apr 1 21:44:20 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tip Harvester question (was: [***] Formatting tips ) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: seth, :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : From: Seth Bienek : : Would it be better for me to parse the : emails (several dozen megs) into a big : giant structure, and then insert them : into the database with one query? :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ no and yes, in that order. don't bother parsing them into a big giant structure. however, you should be inserting them as one giant query. :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : And if so, would I do that by just looping : the insert statements , or is there some : "database ninja" technique for getting them : all (several thousand) in one query? :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ sure, just do your logic inside the instead of outside. like this: INSERT INTO blah () VALUES () notice the order of the tags -- many inserts, one connection. good luck, .jeff name://jeff.howden game://web.development http://www.evolt.org/ mailto:jeff at members.evolt.org From seth at sethbienek.com Sun Apr 1 21:48:45 2001 From: seth at sethbienek.com (Seth Bienek) Date: Sun Apr 1 21:48:45 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tip Harvester question (was: [***] Formatting tips ) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > sure, just do your logic inside the instead of outside. Riiiiight. It makes so much sense when you put it like that... :) Sometimes it's the easy stuff that throws me. Seth ------------------------------ Seth Bienek Solutions Development Manager Stonebridge Technologies, Inc. 972.455.7294 tel 972.404.9754 fax ICQ #7673959 ------------------------------ From martin at members.evolt.org Mon Apr 2 00:59:05 2001 From: martin at members.evolt.org (martin at members.evolt.org) Date: Mon Apr 2 00:59:05 2001 Subject: [thesite] new sidebars.. In-Reply-To: <00b101c0bb0f$45c250c0$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010401090509.00aab340@members.evolt.org> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010402070024.00aae7a0@members.evolt.org> At 17:53 01/04/01 -0700, Joshua OIson wrote: >Is it reasonable/feasible to perhaps give the users the ability to select >which sidebars they have present? It seems like there could be an endless >combination of statistics that could be available about the articles if your >viewing a specific article or just viewing the category in general, >including Other Articles By Same Author, Top 5 Articles in Same Category, >and all the one's you've mentioned up till now. Yes - perhaps using the spiffy 'expand/collapse' widget until we *really* get too many to be manageable that way (and have user self-management really singing). Cheers Martin From martin.p.burns at uk.pwcglobal.com Mon Apr 2 07:57:37 2001 From: martin.p.burns at uk.pwcglobal.com (martin.p.burns at uk.pwcglobal.com) Date: Mon Apr 2 07:57:37 2001 Subject: [thesite] Re: [Admin] Adrian's submission style article Message-ID: Memo from Martin P Burns of PricewaterhouseCoopers -------------------- Start of message text -------------------- Does it have to go straight in there? Can't it go live as a normal article until the cat is ready? When can we get an FAQ category? Cheers Martin *the impatient one* Please respond to admin at lists.evolt.org Sent by: admin-admin at lists.evolt.org To: admin at lists.evolt.org cc: Subject: Re: [Admin] Adrian's submission style article > From: "martin at members.evolt.org" > > What else needs to be done on this? Is there a good > reason why it can't go live rn? needs a new category -- FAQ, and then it can go live in there... --------------------- End of message text -------------------- The principal place of business of PricewaterhouseCoopers and its associate partnerships is 1 Embankment Place, London WC2N 6NN where lists of the partners' names are available for inspection. All partners in the associate partnerships are authorised to conduct business as agents of, and all contracts for services to clients are with, PricewaterhouseCoopers. The UK firm of PricewaterhouseCoopers is authorised by the Institute of Chartered Accountants in England and Wales to carry on investment business. PricewaterhouseCoopers is a member of the world-wide PricewaterhouseCoopers organisation. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From roselli at earthlink.net Mon Apr 2 08:43:00 2001 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Mon Apr 2 08:43:00 2001 Subject: [thesite] Re: [Admin] Adrian's submission style article In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200104021342.f32Dgt523475@leo.evolt.org> > From: > > Does it have to go straight in there? Can't it go live as a normal > article until the cat is ready? i'd rather not... no context, and a waste of front page space... > When can we get an FAQ category? that was the plan... see an old email from right after austin, and refer to our discussion 4 hours before your plane was to leave... we all agreed it was a good idea... From djc at starkmedia.com Mon Apr 2 14:41:36 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Mon Apr 2 14:41:36 2001 Subject: [thesite] transparent logo? Message-ID: <3AC8D54D.1B10FBE@starkmedia.com> do we have a transparent logo like this one: http://members.evolt.org/djc/images/logosm.gif that looks OK on any background color? thanks .djc. From roselli at earthlink.net Mon Apr 2 14:50:36 2001 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Mon Apr 2 14:50:36 2001 Subject: [thesite] transparent logo? In-Reply-To: <3AC8D54D.1B10FBE@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <200104021950.f32JoU503391@leo.evolt.org> > From: "Daniel J. Cody" > > do we have a transparent logo like this one: > > http://members.evolt.org/djc/images/logosm.gif > > that looks OK on any background color? nup, black and white for now: http://roselli.org/new_evolt/logos.asp to do it for any color, well, we'd have to stroke the outside of the letters white (or black ) and have black (or white) text... and it would all have to be aliased... i can do it, it'll just be uglier than you want... From djc at starkmedia.com Mon Apr 2 15:01:06 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Mon Apr 2 15:01:06 2001 Subject: [thesite] transparent logo? References: <200104021950.f32JoU503391@leo.evolt.org> Message-ID: <3AC8D9DD.51896F7F@starkmedia.com> aardvark wrote: > to do it for any color, well, we'd have to stroke the outside of the > letters white (or black ) and have black (or white) text... and it > would all have to be aliased... cool, that reminds me of the time that I was having a problem with a disk controller on this SGI box.. when i checked under the hood of the controllers .c file it truns out the SGI_ACL_FILE attr with 304 byte value was OK, in my case it was \000\000\000\005... (normal u,g,o plus one u and a mask); valid_acl thought that acl_cnt was 83886080, which just happened to be 0x5000000.. Turns out I was using an incorrect Macro with my version of gcc.. *shrug* In other words, I don't understand graphics terms :) > i can do it, it'll just be uglier than you want... oh. would it be a bitch? From seth at sethbienek.com Mon Apr 2 15:01:21 2001 From: seth at sethbienek.com (Seth Bienek) Date: Mon Apr 2 15:01:21 2001 Subject: [thesite] transparent logo? In-Reply-To: <200104021950.f32JoU503391@leo.evolt.org> Message-ID: > http://roselli.org/new_evolt/logos.asp On a side note, I just wanted to say that those shirts are boss! Seth From roselli at earthlink.net Mon Apr 2 15:05:31 2001 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Mon Apr 2 15:05:31 2001 Subject: [thesite] transparent logo? In-Reply-To: <3AC8D9DD.51896F7F@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <200104022005.f32K5T503883@leo.evolt.org> > From: "Daniel J. Cody" > > cool, that reminds me of the time that I was having a problem with a > disk controller on this SGI box.. when i checked under the hood of the > controllers .c file it truns out the SGI_ACL_FILE attr with 304 byte > value was OK, in my case it was \000\000\000\005... (normal u,g,o plus > one u and a mask); valid_acl thought that acl_cnt was 83886080, which > just happened to be 0x5000000.. Turns out I was using an incorrect > Macro with my version of gcc.. *shrug* In other words, I don't > understand graphics terms :) shoulda used the variable-pitch arm... > > i can do it, it'll just be uglier than you want... > > oh. would it be a bitch? no, but it depends when you need it, and if you need it to be a different size that we've got now... From djc at starkmedia.com Mon Apr 2 15:12:21 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Mon Apr 2 15:12:21 2001 Subject: [thesite] transparent logo? References: <200104022005.f32K5T503883@leo.evolt.org> Message-ID: <3AC8DC81.902FF1F7@starkmedia.com> don't need it right this very hour, but in the next day or two would be nice same size will work for me :) thanks homey aardvark wrote: > no, but it depends when you need it, and if you need it to be a > different size that we've got now... From roselli at earthlink.net Mon Apr 2 17:41:24 2001 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Mon Apr 2 17:41:24 2001 Subject: [thesite] transparent logo? In-Reply-To: <3AC8DC81.902FF1F7@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <200104022241.f32MfN308774@leo.evolt.org> > From: "Daniel J. Cody" > > same size will work for me :) 135x50 (1px wider than the logo_all_50.psd file)... 910 bytes... 9 colors... black text and white border... only somewhat fugly... looks best on white to mid-grey bgs... -------------- next part -------------- The following section of this message contains a file attachment prepared for transmission using the Internet MIME message format. If you are using Pegasus Mail, or any another MIME-compliant system, you should be able to save it or view it from within your mailer. If you cannot, please ask your system administrator for assistance. ---- File information ----------- File: logo_aliased.gif Date: 2 Apr 2001, 18:39 Size: 910 bytes. Type: GIF-image -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: logo_aliased.gif Type: image/gif Size: 910 bytes Desc: not available URL: From djc at starkmedia.com Tue Apr 3 10:37:46 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Tue Apr 3 10:37:46 2001 Subject: [thesite] transparent logo? References: <200104022241.f32MfN308774@leo.evolt.org> Message-ID: <3AC9EDA1.384C8A5@starkmedia.com> thanks man :) aardvark wrote: > > > From: "Daniel J. Cody" > > > > same size will work for me :) > > 135x50 (1px wider than the logo_all_50.psd file)... > 910 bytes... > 9 colors... > black text and white border... > only somewhat fugly... > > looks best on white to mid-grey bgs... From roselli at earthlink.net Tue Apr 3 11:07:10 2001 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Tue Apr 3 11:07:10 2001 Subject: [thesite] transparent logo? In-Reply-To: <3AC9EDA1.384C8A5@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <200104031607.f33G79300320@leo.evolt.org> > From: "Daniel J. Cody" > > thanks man :) speaking of side projects, whatcha doin'? From djc at starkmedia.com Tue Apr 3 11:45:15 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Tue Apr 3 11:45:15 2001 Subject: [thesite] transparent logo? References: <200104031607.f33G79300320@leo.evolt.org> Message-ID: <3AC9FD7E.5060001@starkmedia.com> working on a distributed type weblogging application for the m.e.o folk(and anyone else i guess).. kind of a mix between blogger and edit this page.. i'm not big into the whole weblogging thing myself, but i know lots of people that are.. .djc. aardvark wrote: >> From: "Daniel J. Cody" >> >> thanks man :) > > > speaking of side projects, whatcha doin'? From martin at members.evolt.org Tue Apr 3 13:44:21 2001 From: martin at members.evolt.org (martin burns) Date: Tue Apr 3 13:44:21 2001 Subject: [thesite] Re: [Admin] Adrian's submission style article In-Reply-To: <200104021342.f32Dgt523475@leo.evolt.org> References: Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010403194501.02bae8a0@members.evolt.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 At 14:43 02/04/01, aardvark wrote: > > When can we get an FAQ category? > >that was the plan... see an old email from right after austin, and >refer to our discussion 4 hours before your plane was to leave... we >all agreed it was a good idea... OK, so when? Cheers Martin ________________ Martin Burns, Content Management Consultant tel: +44 (0)774 063 9985 http://www.evolt.org/user/MartinB/32/evolt.org http://www.easyweb.co.uk/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.3 for non-commercial use Comment: PGP Key ID: 0xA835CCCB iQA/AwUBOsoaN3HoHnCoNczLEQL0nwCaAw/LquepmKHF5mb/INuTtk7mfEsAn1cW vVuFkDjRHQPPl/6DgKdF5OWe =Ygm1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From roselli at earthlink.net Tue Apr 3 14:01:46 2001 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Tue Apr 3 14:01:46 2001 Subject: [thesite] Re: [Admin] Adrian's submission style article In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010403194501.02bae8a0@members.evolt.org> References: <200104021342.f32Dgt523475@leo.evolt.org> Message-ID: <200104031901.f33J1f307390@leo.evolt.org> > From: martin burns > > > > When can we get an FAQ category? > > > >that was the plan... see an old email from right after austin, and > >refer to our discussion 4 hours before your plane was to leave... we > >all agreed it was a good idea... > > OK, so when? howzabout, now? dan, let's get that FAQ category in there, set it to *not* display in the select menu, or to accept articles from non-admins... dig? can anyone else do it? is it safe to assume jeff is inconscious right now? From r937 at interlog.com Tue Apr 3 14:33:39 2001 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Tue Apr 3 14:33:39 2001 Subject: [thesite] Re: [Admin] Adrian's submission style article Message-ID: <01c0bc74$ebcd4360$234f149a@rudy> > dan, let's get that FAQ category in there, set it to *not* display > in the select menu, or to accept articles from non-admins... may i ask for a quick review/recap of what we're doing? i want to be clear on the structure being implemented in the database is this new category intended to hold the contents of the current FAQ page? if so, i think it's safe to go ahead and add it as a category ("center") in the current structure but why hide it from the select menu??? perhaps it should not be included on the home page articles, similar to the way that Jobs and Suggestions are not but Jobs and Suggestions are shown in the select menu also, i don't think it's necessary to restrict who can submit articles in this category, since there's no database mechanism for this, and also because we as admins can simply reject articles that aren't okay note -- there is a CATTYPE structure in place to, um, categorize the categories right now (can't confirm without actually querying the database, and i'm maybe a day away from being able to) there are three CATTYPES -- Center, Tips, Keyword however, only Center has any CATEGORY records under it, and consequently all the articles on the site point to CATEGORY records that are tied to the Center CATTYPE if we implement any other CATTYPEs, we have to do a thorough code review, for example to add AND CATEGORY.CATTYPEID=nn where nn is the PK of the Center CATTYPE record i hope i've explained this okay, please let me know if this confuses you... rudy From roselli at earthlink.net Tue Apr 3 14:41:44 2001 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Tue Apr 3 14:41:44 2001 Subject: [thesite] Re: [Admin] Adrian's submission style article In-Reply-To: <01c0bc74$ebcd4360$234f149a@rudy> Message-ID: <200104031941.f33Jfg309669@leo.evolt.org> > From: "rudy" > > > dan, let's get that FAQ category in there, set it to *not* display > > in the select menu, or to accept articles from non-admins... > > may i ask for a quick review/recap of what we're doing? yes. > i want to be clear on the structure being implemented in the database sure. > is this new category intended to hold the contents of the current FAQ > page? that, too, as well as other 'meta' info on the site that currently doesn't work as articles, but can easily become articles... > if so, i think it's safe to go ahead and add it as a category > ("center") in the current structure cool. > but why hide it from the select menu??? because we had discussed not treating it as a category to users, since it's really only a category to stuff all our meta articles into... as such, we should keep the text link 'faq' in the header, and link to the other 'articles' as appropriate... for instance, the style guide would be linked from the submission page... > perhaps it should not be included on the home page articles, similar > to the way that Jobs and Suggestions are not +1, but as we discussed it in the hotel room (i thought you were there, sorry), i got everyone's buy-in to just not link them at all, and only call articles from pre-defined links... > but Jobs and Suggestions are shown in the select menu yep... those aren't the same as what i've proposed... > also, i don't think it's necessary to restrict who can submit articles > in this category, since there's no database mechanism for this, and > also because we as admins can simply reject articles that aren't okay ok. > note -- there is a CATTYPE structure in place to, um, categorize the > categories cool. > right now (can't confirm without actually querying the database, and > i'm maybe a day away from being able to) there are three CATTYPES -- > Center, Tips, Keyword ok. > however, only Center has any CATEGORY records under it, and > consequently all the articles on the site point to CATEGORY records > that are tied to the Center CATTYPE ok. > if we implement any other CATTYPEs, we have to do a thorough code > review, for example to add > > AND CATEGORY.CATTYPEID=nn > > where nn is the PK of the Center CATTYPE record > > i hope i've explained this okay, please let me know if this confuses > you... it does, but i have confidence saying that you and dan/jeff/etc. are more qualified to address it, especially since the last time i looked at a schema was in TO at that steakhouse... mmm... beef... From marlene at members.evolt.org Tue Apr 3 20:08:20 2001 From: marlene at members.evolt.org (Marlene Bruce) Date: Tue Apr 3 20:08:20 2001 Subject: [thesite] transparent logo? In-Reply-To: <3AC9FD7E.5060001@starkmedia.com> References: <200104031607.f33G79300320@leo.evolt.org> <3AC9FD7E.5060001@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: >working on a distributed type weblogging application for the m.e.o >folk(and anyone else i guess).. kind of a mix between blogger and >edit this page.. > >i'm not big into the whole weblogging thing myself, but i know lots >of people that are.. Dan, You rock. Marlene From javier at msm.cl Wed Apr 4 17:13:29 2001 From: javier at msm.cl (mantruc) Date: Wed Apr 4 17:13:29 2001 Subject: [thesite] wrong link Message-ID: <3ACB9C07.7D62A0C2@msm.cl> this page... (http://evolt.org/user/index.html?action=signup) in this paragraph (Would you like to sign up for the evolt mailing list (thelist) as well? Your subscription will be sent to the email address you entered above.) is linked to (http://lists.evolt.org/listinfo.html) instead of (http://lists.evolt.org/mailman/listinfo/thelist) hth -- - javier velasco - - web architect - - nurun Chile - From djc at starkmedia.com Wed Apr 4 22:39:09 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Wed Apr 4 22:39:09 2001 Subject: [thesite] removal of excess directories.. Message-ID: <3ACC0670.8060705@starkmedia.com> jeff, i wacked all those directories we talked about on the phone.. http://evolt.org/article isn't heading to oracular anymore so that fixed the problem.. thanks daddy .djc. From djc at starkmedia.com Thu Apr 5 12:45:00 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Thu Apr 5 12:45:00 2001 Subject: [thesite] wrong link References: <3ACB9C07.7D62A0C2@msm.cl> Message-ID: <3ACCADFD.36EF7C9E@starkmedia.com> thanks javi, i changed the link to http://lists.evolt.org/index.cfm/a/listinfo i was going to take them to the list signup page, but i didnt know if that would be the best idea since htey're already signing up for it. thanks for the heads up :) .djc. mantruc wrote: > > this page... > > (http://evolt.org/user/index.html?action=signup) > > in this paragraph > > (Would you like to sign up for the evolt mailing list (thelist) as well? > Your > subscription will be sent to the email address you entered above.) From r937 at interlog.com Sat Apr 7 11:35:19 2001 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Sat Apr 7 11:35:19 2001 Subject: [thesite] Re: [xxxxx] user tables Message-ID: <01c0bf80$aa2144c0$c551149a@rudy> >... do you know how entirely difficult it makes development > with a record with an id of 0? if there's any way you can think > of to get rid of that record i'd *really* appreciate it. hi jeff gotta move this discussion to thesite, but basically, sure, i guess we could do that, new user records are populated from the sequence field (which is nearing 10000, by the way) but i think we could just update the PK on the default evolt user from 0 to 1 or something... maybe 937 if that's not being used... > my problem is that a default value of 0 on a variable means it has > no value. then this case comes along and i've gotta treat it completely > different from how i'm used to. i know what you're saying about variables, although i'm not convinced it applies in the case of a userid -- maybe you could write better code that is less dependent on "tricks" so that a PK is a PK and not a variable? jk > i know david. lemme email him and ask him to update his > email address. is that what you're looking for? yes, please presumably he is subscribed with a different email id on the leo user list that majorgumbo uses still, it would be nice to update his weo record (and also set it back to active=1) thanks rudy From r937 at interlog.com Sat Apr 7 11:52:54 2001 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Sat Apr 7 11:52:54 2001 Subject: [thesite] problems copying a LONG column in oracle Message-ID: <01c0bf83$15f6f120$c551149a@rudy> this is directed to the oracle gurus (adam/tcm614ce? dan? anybody?) we have a table with a LONG column that we need to migrate to a new table we've done this once (see below for similar procedure) here's the current table -- CONTENT CONTENTID NOT NULL NUMBER(10) CONTENTNAME VARCHAR2(50) BODY LONG USERID NUMBER(10) DATEMOD DATE SIGNOFF NUMBER(10) ADMINID NUMBER(10) CATEGORYID NUMBER(10) SIGNDATE DATE SYNOPSIS VARCHAR2(500) RATING NOT NULL NUMBER(3,2) RATINGS NOT NULL NUMBER(8) REPLIES NOT NULL NUMBER(8) KEYPHRASE VARCHAR2(100) and here's the table we want to copy to -- CONTENT2 CONTENTID NOT NULL NUMBER(8) LANGUAGEID NOT NULL NUMBER(8) CATEGORYID NOT NULL NUMBER(8) USERID NOT NULL NUMBER(8) DATEMOD NOT NULL DATE SIGNOFF NOT NULL NUMBER(1) SIGNDATE DATE ADMINID NUMBER(8) PRIV NOT NULL NUMBER(1) CONTENTNAME NOT NULL VARCHAR2(50) SYNOPSIS VARCHAR2(255) BODY CLOB RATING NOT NULL NUMBER(3,2) RATINGS NOT NULL NUMBER(8) REPLIES NOT NULL NUMBER(8) dan, can you remember why we wanted to go from LONG to CLOB? during codefest 2 in november i was able to run the following procedure (there was a second LONG column called BODY2 on the table at that time) -- exec declare cursor get_content is select contentid,body from content where contentid>3800; begin for con in get_content loop update content2 set body2 = con.body where contentid = con.contentid; end loop; end; PL/SQL procedure successfully completed. however, i was unable to get it to work copying into a CLOB anybody have any input on this? rudy From jeff at members.evolt.org Sat Apr 7 12:03:14 2001 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (jeff) Date: Sat Apr 7 12:03:14 2001 Subject: [thesite] problems copying a LONG column in oracle In-Reply-To: <01c0bf83$15f6f120$c551149a@rudy> Message-ID: rudy, :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : From: rudy : : this is directed to the oracle gurus : (adam/tcm614ce? dan? anybody?) : : we have a table with a LONG column that : we need to migrate to a new table : : we've done this once (see below for similar : procedure) : : dan, can you remember why we wanted to go : from LONG to CLOB? :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ that's an important question. i think we found during codefest2.0 that moving the data to a CLOB didn't give us any advantages, hindering us in some aspects even. thanks, .jeff name://jeff.howden game://web.development http://www.evolt.org/ mailto:jeff at members.evolt.org From mwarden at mattwarden.com Sat Apr 7 18:47:27 2001 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Sat Apr 7 18:47:27 2001 Subject: [thesite] anchors and 6 possible URL formats Message-ID: <00fd01c0bfbd$1b6c2410$beae1b18@mwarden> thesite, Dan just added support for older links in the pre-Evolt2.0 format. For instance, this URL now works fine, without an intermediary page: http://evolt.org/index.cfm?menu=8&cid=206 Now, the problem is that we now have 6 possible URLs for the same "page": http://www.evolt.org/article/301/Yahoo_users_organize_boycott/206/index.html http://evolt.org/article/301/Yahoo_users_organize_boycott/206/index.html http://www.evolt.org/index.cfm?menu=8&cid=206 http://evolt.org/index.cfm?menu=8&cid=206 http://www.evolt.org/keyword_phrase http://evolt.org/keyword_phrase Not to mention that the http://www.evolt.org/article/301/Yahoo_users_organize_boycott/206/index.html format can be an infinate number of different links: http://www.evolt.org/article/301/1/206/index.html http://www.evolt.org/article/301/Cube_Power/206/index.html http://www.evolt.org/article/301/View_article/206/index.html http://www.evolt.org/article/301/etc/206/index.html So, the first thing that I suggest is that we change the old->new url redirection just added to use the title format of the SSURL links so we aren't adding another 2 frequently-used formats. Who cares how many formats we're using? Our users do. When you have an intra-page anchor: http://www.evolt.org/article/301/Yahoo_users_organize_boycott/206/index.html #anchor and the URL in the address bar is: http://www.evolt.org/article/301/1/206/index.html The page will reload. We have 6 (really 8 now) different formats actively used to reference the same "page". So, one out of the 6(8) formats will not result in the reload of a page when clicking an intra-page anchor. Any way to change this? As I understand it, it can't be changed. We have to put the entire URL into anchors. But... can anyone think of a way around this? I know it annoys the hell out of me when I have http://evolt.org/.../ in my browser bar and the page reloads because the anchor uses the www. version. Now, that problem is increased greatly. Thoughts? -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From mwarden at mattwarden.com Sun Apr 8 16:13:09 2001 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Sun Apr 8 16:13:09 2001 Subject: [thesite] Re: alert supression (was [Admin] Pending articles -- everyone read) References: Message-ID: <00ff01c0c070$a9b6e620$beae1b18@mwarden> > I just wanted to throw this out there on pending articles -- I have tended > to, in the past, watch for articles to come through the admin list. ... > Thing is... if I'm depending on > alerts and their sandwiched into a hundred alerts from Jeff or Michele or > whoever is updating masses of articles then I tend to miss them. I don't > really have a solution to this other than to cut down on the number of > non-essential alerts but I just wanted to throw that out there. > > - amanda Ok, I wasn't going to say this, but now I have to... There *needs* to be a way to surpress alerts on the edit screen (for admins). I still have a good amount of articles to go through and I know that I get sick of seeing alerts (and I'm causing them). Just a checkbox would be nice... and y'all can even get rid of it after I finish going through the site. Seems like it would just be nother if clause in the code, eh? -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From dsmah at home.com Mon Apr 9 09:23:39 2001 From: dsmah at home.com (Dean Mah) Date: Mon Apr 9 09:23:39 2001 Subject: [thesite] problems copying a LONG column in oracle In-Reply-To: <01c0bf83$15f6f120$c551149a@rudy> from "rudy" at Apr 07, 2001 12:52:09 PM Message-ID: <200104091427.IAA00917@alice.monkeyland.ca> rudy writes: > this is directed to the oracle gurus (adam/tcm614ce? dan? anybody?) > > we have a table with a LONG column that we need to migrate to a new table > > dan, can you remember why we wanted to go from LONG to CLOB? According to the new features of Oracle 8.1.5 you should be able to do: INSERT INTO tab_new SELECT TO_LOB(long_value) FROM tab_old; Got this from: http://www.akadia.com/services/ora815nf.html If this doesn't work, you could write a quick little Perl script that would copy it over. Oracle encourages migration from LONG to CLOB for the following reasons: 1. CLOB Capacity - With Oracle8i, CLOBs can store up to 4GB of data. This doubles the 2GB of data that LONG and LONG RAW data types could store in earlier releases of Oracle. 2. Number of CLOB Columns per Table - An Oracle8i table can have multiple CLOB columns. Each CLOB column in the same table can be of a different type. Tables are limited to a single LONG or LONG RAW column. 3. Random Piece-wise Access - CLOBs support random access to data, but LONGs support only sequential access. Further, to improve the speed with which a CLOB can be brought from the server-side to the client, the CLOB can be broken into chunks that can then be brought in a single round trip back to the client. I also know that you can store LOBs in a separate tablespace from your regular data which will give you a perfomance boost. I also heard a rumour that they would be removing the LONG datatype in future releases. However, like the rumour to remove rule-based optimization, that hasn't happened yet and it may not for a long time to come. If you are insteresting in using LOBs, you may want to check out the DBMS.LOB stored procedure which will give you more access to them. Dean From djc at starkmedia.com Tue Apr 10 15:14:56 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Tue Apr 10 15:14:56 2001 Subject: [thesite] problems copying a LONG column in oracle References: <200104091427.IAA00917@alice.monkeyland.ca> Message-ID: <3AD36877.230D6A55@starkmedia.com> Dean Mah wrote: > > dan, can you remember why we wanted to go from LONG to CLOB? > Oracle encourages migration from LONG to CLOB for the following > reasons: {snip} ya, what dean said :) one big thing that dean mentioned is the allowance of random access to data. the best example would be the ability to search article body's for keywords rather than relying on verity. that would also be really nice for seth's work on thetips and the new harvester From djc at starkmedia.com Wed Apr 11 12:10:15 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Wed Apr 11 12:10:15 2001 Subject: [thesite] Re: [Admin] Article Approved References: <01c0c2a9$dc7b3ee0$6a4e149a@rudy> Message-ID: <3AD48EA8.5630805E@starkmedia.com> rudy.. this is the problem that matt brought up on thesite the other day, and one that probably needs to be addressed in the long run.. i hardcoded the anchors in that article with www. btw i'll see if i can add the stuff in there... thanks ;) rudy wrote: > i first went to the site using http://evolt.org > > then i clicked on the article > > after i finished waiting for the download (it's a big article and i'm on a > 33.6 modem), i clicked on one of the table of content items > > ... and had to endure a complete re-download > > =o( > > would it be possible instead of hardcoding the full url to code these > intra-page links as > > #cgi.server_name#/ etc. > > > > so as not to cause switching between http://evolt.org and > > http://www.evolt.org? > > well, ya, that's spiffy for the [www.]evolt.org issue. but, as we all know, that's not even half of the story... so, no one's got anything to say about this? -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From jeff at members.evolt.org Wed Apr 11 15:47:35 2001 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (jeff) Date: Wed Apr 11 15:47:35 2001 Subject: [thesite] jeffy.. In-Reply-To: <3AD48FC2.593159C7@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: djc, :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : From: Daniel J. Cody : : when i click to approve or deny or reset : an article, it greps the /evolt and throws : that into the search part of the site.. :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ fixied. .jeff name://jeff.howden game://web.development http://www.evolt.org/ mailto:jeff at members.evolt.org From martin at members.evolt.org Thu Apr 12 17:35:15 2001 From: martin at members.evolt.org (martin at members.evolt.org) Date: Thu Apr 12 17:35:15 2001 Subject: [thesite] Site down? Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010412233738.021b7570@pop.easyweb.co.uk> Getting this: __________________ An error has occurred while processing your request. The webmaster has been notified and we're sorry for any inconvenience. Please use the BACK button on your browser to continue your prior activity or use this link to get to the evolt.org home page: evolt.org __________________________ instead of the homepage Cheers Martin From djc at starkmedia.com Thu Apr 12 17:39:15 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Thu Apr 12 17:39:15 2001 Subject: [thesite] Site down? References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010412233738.021b7570@pop.easyweb.co.uk> Message-ID: <3AD62D48.25B842E8@starkmedia.com> ya, i'm noticing that too.. someone is fucking with our site me thinks. from the access_log: 195.127.134.66 - - [12/Apr/2001:17:56:15 -0500] "GET /onClick=?menu=8&cid=253 HTTP/1.1" 404 16091 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT 4.0; QXW03018)" 195.127.134.66 - - [12/Apr/2001:17:56:16 -0500] "GET /H_AF105 HTTP/1.1" 404 24837 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT 4.0; QXW03018)" 195.127.134.66 - - [12/Apr/2001:17:57:26 -0500] "GET /H/JSRCH/BB40827 HTTP/1.1" 404 7682 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT 4.0; QXW03018)" fucked up URI requests like that are coming in at a rate of about 50 a second right now.. I'm gonna see if I can block the IP "martin at members.evolt.org" wrote: > > Getting this: > __________________ From martin at members.evolt.org Thu Apr 12 17:52:00 2001 From: martin at members.evolt.org (martin at members.evolt.org) Date: Thu Apr 12 17:52:00 2001 Subject: [thesite] Site down? In-Reply-To: <3AD62D48.25B842E8@starkmedia.com> References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010412233738.021b7570@pop.easyweb.co.uk> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010412235344.021c7c60@members.evolt.org> At 17:33 12/04/01 -0500, Daniel J. Cody wrote: >fucked up URI requests like that are coming in at a rate of about 50 a >second right now.. Bastards. >I'm gonna see if I can block the IP Kill. (-9 if available) Cheers martin From martin at members.evolt.org Thu Apr 12 17:54:40 2001 From: martin at members.evolt.org (martin at members.evolt.org) Date: Thu Apr 12 17:54:40 2001 Subject: [thesite] AvantGo version of thesite Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010412235504.021ad9b0@pop.easyweb.co.uk> Just wanted to say - fantastic job when you hit http://evolt.org with a Palm. It de-tableises beautifully. Logo is lovely in 16 greys. Is this redirecting to a PDA specific version of the site? one suggestion - could we drop the logo size a bit? It looks a bit wierd filling up the screen on a 160px resolution. Cheers Martin From jeff at members.evolt.org Thu Apr 12 17:58:45 2001 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (jeff) Date: Thu Apr 12 17:58:45 2001 Subject: [thesite] Site down? In-Reply-To: <3AD62D48.25B842E8@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: djc, :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : From: Daniel J. Cody : : ya, i'm noticing that too.. someone is : fucking with our site me thinks. : from the access_log: : : "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT 4.0; QXW03018)" : "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT 4.0; QXW03018)" : "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT 4.0; QXW03018)" : : fucked up URI requests like that are coming : in at a rate of about 50 a second right now.. : I'm gonna see if I can block the IP :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ from alittle research it looks like that user-agent string is sent out by a specific version of site ripping software, although i haven't been able to find out which one. kill away. .jeff name://jeff.howden game://web.development http://www.evolt.org/ mailto:jeff at members.evolt.org From jeff at members.evolt.org Thu Apr 12 18:05:05 2001 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (jeff) Date: Thu Apr 12 18:05:05 2001 Subject: [thesite] AvantGo version of thesite In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010412235504.021ad9b0@pop.easyweb.co.uk> Message-ID: martin, :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : From: martin at members.evolt.org : : Just wanted to say - fantastic job when : you hit http://evolt.org with a Palm. : It de-tableises beautifully. Logo is : lovely in 16 greys. :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ thanks, alittle help from damclean and i was able to put avantgo version together in a few hours. it still needs an avantgo version of the user page though. :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : Is this redirecting to a PDA specific : version of the site? :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ no, actually it's detecting the palm user-agent and just using a different html wrapper around the content. :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : one suggestion - could we drop the logo : size a bit? It looks a bit wierd filling : up the screen on a 160px resolution. :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ sure, we can drop the logo size. it's just that size right now cause i haven't put in a better one. i can also serve up a different logo for each bit depth that visits. adrian, can you talk with martin about the bit depth requirements as well as optimal size? as soon as i have those logos and the bit depths they apply to i'll make the necessary changes to the avantgo layout. thanks, .jeff name://jeff.howden game://web.development http://www.evolt.org/ mailto:jeff at members.evolt.org From djc at starkmedia.com Thu Apr 12 18:10:05 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Thu Apr 12 18:10:05 2001 Subject: [thesite] Site down? References: Message-ID: <3AD63483.8564FD77@starkmedia.com> dammit.. i traced the IP address back to someplace in germany. so i guess we can be expecting a rip-off sometime soon then? jeff wrote: > from alittle research it looks like that user-agent string is sent out by a > specific version of site ripping software, although i haven't been able to > find out which one. From martin at members.evolt.org Thu Apr 12 18:12:00 2001 From: martin at members.evolt.org (martin at members.evolt.org) Date: Thu Apr 12 18:12:00 2001 Subject: [thesite] AvantGo version of thesite In-Reply-To: References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010412235504.021ad9b0@pop.easyweb.co.uk> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010413001432.021c57b0@members.evolt.org> At 16:07 12/04/01 -0700, jeff wrote: >:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >: Is this redirecting to a PDA specific >: version of the site? >:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >no, actually it's detecting the palm user-agent and just using a different >html wrapper around the content. Same story. Works great - good job. Cheers Martin From jeff at members.evolt.org Thu Apr 12 21:40:45 2001 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (jeff) Date: Thu Apr 12 21:40:45 2001 Subject: [thesite] Re: [Admin] Article Approved In-Reply-To: <00ed01c0c2c6$b624c4b0$beae1b18@mwarden> Message-ID: matt, :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : From: Warden, Matt : : > > new_scheme script does, doesn't it? Would you be keen on that? If so, let's use the same [www.]evolt.org format that dan is using on his script. I'd like to eliminate this issue... but it doesnt' look like we can do that. So, the next best thing is to narrow it down to only two possible URLs (in the address bar) for a single article (the www. and the non-www. SSURL format). -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From roselli at earthlink.net Fri Apr 13 00:22:30 2001 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Fri Apr 13 00:22:30 2001 Subject: [thesite] AvantGo version of thesite In-Reply-To: References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010412235504.021ad9b0@pop.easyweb.co.uk> Message-ID: <3AD65452.20201.24C81070@localhost> > From: "jeff" [...] > :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > : one suggestion - could we drop the logo > : size a bit? It looks a bit wierd filling > : up the screen on a 160px resolution. > :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > sure, we can drop the logo size. it's just that size right now cause > i haven't put in a better one. i can also serve up a different logo > for each bit depth that visits. > > adrian, can you talk with martin about the bit depth requirements as > well as optimal size? as soon as i have those logos and the bit > depths they apply to i'll make the necessary changes to the avantgo > layout. yep... martin, lemme know your requirements, and i'll make a batch... you have access to a digital camera? can you do screenshots for me so i can get an idea of how it will render as-is? From matt at haughey.com Fri Apr 13 00:31:10 2001 From: matt at haughey.com (Matthew Haughey) Date: Fri Apr 13 00:31:10 2001 Subject: [thesite] AvantGo version of thesite In-Reply-To: <3AD65452.20201.24C81070@localhost> References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010412235504.021ad9b0@pop.easyweb.co.uk> <3AD65452.20201.24C81070@localhost> Message-ID: <306707695.20010412223224@haughey.com> On 04:07 PM 4/12/2001 -0700, jeff wrote: >adrian, can you talk with martin about the bit depth requirements as well as >optimal size? as soon as i have those logos and the bit depths they apply >to i'll make the necessary changes to the avantgo layout. Thursday, April 12, 2001, 10:20:18 PM, aardvark wrote: > martin, lemme know your requirements, and i'll make a batch... I built a wireless version of blogger last fall when I was still at pyra, and IIRC, the max image width according to the avantgo docs was ~153px, and I seem to remember only two greys (actually a full "black" and a medium light gray), if you check out this URL: http://wireless.blogger.com/ grab the top and bottom images, and check the colors in photoshop, I think I had to use a non-websafe gray to prevent dithering on the palm (it might have been #AAAAAA for that gray, or maybe it's #CCCCCC). I also built a Palm VII version of the site, and I definitely remember having to produce non-websafe grays for one of those apps. I can't remember if it was the palm VII or avantgo one though. That wireless.blogger site though, is definitely made specifically for the avantgo browser, so whatever you find there should mesh with the docs. Matt -- Matt Haughey matt at haughey.com http://a.wholelottanothing.org/ http://www.metafilter.com/ From jeff at members.evolt.org Fri Apr 13 00:44:00 2001 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (jeff) Date: Fri Apr 13 00:44:00 2001 Subject: [thesite] anchors and 6 possible URL formats In-Reply-To: <00fd01c0bfbd$1b6c2410$beae1b18@mwarden> Message-ID: matt, :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : From: Warden, Matt : : Dan just added support for older links : in the pre-Evolt2.0 format. For instance, : this URL now works fine, without an : intermediary page: : : http://evolt.org/index.cfm?menu=8&cid=206 :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ not necessarily a good thing since it doesn't encourage people to update their bookmarks. :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : Now, the problem is that we now have 6 possible : URLs for the same "page": : : http://www.evolt.org/article/301/Yahoo_users_organize_boycott/206/index.html : http://evolt.org/article/301/Yahoo_users_organize_boycott/206/index.html :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ neither of these are valid urls. they should be: http://www.evolt.org/article/301/1/206/index.html http://evolt.org/article/301/1/206/index.html :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : http://www.evolt.org/index.cfm?menu=8&cid=206 : http://evolt.org/index.cfm?menu=8&cid=206 :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ these should not redirect, but instead prompt the user to update their bookmarks. can someone do some research on a meta tag or something to put on the page to indicate the new url the document has moved to for search engines so we're not redirecting? :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : http://www.evolt.org/keyword_phrase : http://evolt.org/keyword_phrase :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ implemented on thesite, but not available to the members-at-large. :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : So, the first thing that I suggest is that we change : the old->new url redirection just added to use the : title format of the SSURL links so we aren't adding : another 2 frequently-used formats. :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ currently it's using a title format of "301" which i'm guessing djc put in so he could log them. since those requests initially have to come in via the old style url i don't see much point in that. i agree that they should use the article title in the link, preferably without redirecting. more in another reply, .jeff name://jeff.howden game://web.development http://www.evolt.org/ mailto:jeff at members.evolt.org From jeff at members.evolt.org Fri Apr 13 00:47:00 2001 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (jeff) Date: Fri Apr 13 00:47:00 2001 Subject: [thesite] RE: URL Scheme In-Reply-To: <015401c0c3c5$426b8450$beae1b18@mwarden> Message-ID: matt, :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : From: Warden, Matt : : > : well, ya, that's spiffy for the [www.]evolt.org : > : issue. but, as we all know, that's not even half : > : of the story... : > : : > : so, no one's got anything to say about this? : > :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : > : > what do you want people to say? : : Without rehashing the multiple url scheme issue? :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ what issue? =P j/k :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : I just think this is quite annoying behavior from : a user's perspective. :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ how many articles of all the articles actually have internal anchors? my personal feeling is that there aren't enough articles to warrant the concern. furthermore, if an article is so big that it needs internal anchors, maybe it needs to be broken up. :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : How's about altering the keyphrase functionality : to redirect to the "real" url scheme rather than : having that URL in the browser's address bar? : That's what dan's old_scheme->new_scheme script : does, doesn't it? Would you be keen on that? If : so, let's use the same [www.]evolt.org format : that dan is using on his script. :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ i'm fine doing a redirect, but that means two hits to the server to serve an article with a keyphrase link to it. not an optimal solution. what format would that be? :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : I'd like to eliminate this issue... but it doesnt' : look like we can do that. So, the next best thing : is to narrow it down to only two possible URLs (in : the address bar) for a single article (the www. and : the non-www. SSURL format). :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ that's already a non-issue, internal anchors can be coded with a leading slash and no protocol or domain name. /article/"article_title"/"categoryid"/"articleid"/index.html#anchor make sense? .jeff name://jeff.howden game://web.development http://www.evolt.org/ mailto:jeff at members.evolt.org From roselli at earthlink.net Fri Apr 13 00:47:50 2001 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Fri Apr 13 00:47:50 2001 Subject: [thesite] anchors and 6 possible URL formats In-Reply-To: References: <00fd01c0bfbd$1b6c2410$beae1b18@mwarden> Message-ID: <3AD65A3E.16244.24DF33C1@localhost> > From: "jeff" [...] > can someone do some research on a meta tag or something to put on the > page to indicate the new url the document has moved to for search > engines so we're not redirecting? would a 300 Object Moved header work? From roselli at earthlink.net Fri Apr 13 00:53:30 2001 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Fri Apr 13 00:53:30 2001 Subject: [thesite] anchors and 6 possible URL formats In-Reply-To: References: <00fd01c0bfbd$1b6c2410$beae1b18@mwarden> Message-ID: <3AD65B92.3542.24E464A8@localhost> so, remind me again (i think you missed it last time), why does everything sit in a directory called /evolt? especially since this is the culprit for the anchor problem (isn't it?)... is this some bizarre artifact of development, or absolutely necessary for the site to function? From jeff at members.evolt.org Fri Apr 13 01:42:31 2001 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (jeff) Date: Fri Apr 13 01:42:31 2001 Subject: [thesite] anchors and 6 possible URL formats In-Reply-To: <3AD65B92.3542.24E464A8@localhost> Message-ID: adrian, :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : From: aardvark : : so, remind me again (i think you missed it : last time), why does everything sit in a : directory called /evolt? especially since : this is the culprit for the anchor problem : (isn't it?)... : : is this some bizarre artifact of development, : or absolutely necessary for the site to function? :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ that's the only way to guarantee a 404 with *every* request. there's more to it than that, but that's the simplest answer i can give. need more explanation? .jeff name://jeff.howden game://web.development http://www.evolt.org/ mailto:jeff at members.evolt.org From jeff at members.evolt.org Fri Apr 13 01:59:01 2001 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (jeff) Date: Fri Apr 13 01:59:01 2001 Subject: [thesite] anchors and 6 possible URL formats In-Reply-To: <3AD65A3E.16244.24DF33C1@localhost> Message-ID: adrian, :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : From: aardvark : : > From: "jeff" : [...] : > can someone do some research on a meta tag : > or something to put on the page to indicate : > the new url the document has moved to for : > search engines so we're not redirecting? : : would a 300 Object Moved header work? :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ don't we need to the new url to the agent with another header as well or with a meta tag or something? anybody know of documentation i can read about this? thanks, .jeff name://jeff.howden game://web.development http://www.evolt.org/ mailto:jeff at members.evolt.org From djc at starkmedia.com Fri Apr 13 09:07:27 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Fri Apr 13 09:07:27 2001 Subject: [thesite] anchors and 6 possible URL formats References: Message-ID: <3AD706D7.1C825968@starkmedia.com> jeff wrote: > not necessarily a good thing since it doesn't encourage people to update > their bookmarks. true, but then we have a million 'Update your bookmarks' hits on google. > :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > : http://www.evolt.org/index.cfm?menu=8&cid=206 > : http://evolt.org/index.cfm?menu=8&cid=206 > :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > these should not redirect, but instead prompt the user to update their > bookmarks. > > can someone do some research on a meta tag or something to put on the page > to indicate the new url the document has moved to for search engines so > we're not redirecting? meta tag doesn't do it. capture a header of one of those URL's. I stuck a 301 in there with a location: field pointing to the new, correct URL. Thats the way it should be. > currently it's using a title format of "301" which i'm guessing djc put in > so he could log them. since those requests initially have to come in via > the old style url i don't see much point in that. i agree that they should > use the article title in the link, preferably without redirecting. same as above From djc at starkmedia.com Fri Apr 13 09:09:07 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Fri Apr 13 09:09:07 2001 Subject: [thesite] anchors and 6 possible URL formats References: Message-ID: <3AD7073B.DA0803CE@starkmedia.com> Hi, Its doing exactly what it should be doing right now.. No, people won't be told to update their bookmarks anymore.. moving on? jeff wrote: > : would a 300 Object Moved header work? > :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > don't we need to the new url to the agent with another header as well or > with a meta tag or something? anybody know of documentation i can read > about this? From mwarden at odyssey-design.com Fri Apr 13 12:59:33 2001 From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Fri Apr 13 12:59:33 2001 Subject: [thesite] Re: [Admin] Article Approved References: <01c0c2a9$dc7b3ee0$6a4e149a@rudy> <3AD48EA8.5630805E@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <002301c0c443$7f355b30$5003020a@mwarden> > > would it be possible instead of hardcoding the full url to code these > > intra-page links as > > > > "Why FrontPage Rules" By: sgd Yes, it's dirty and we'd have to do that on every article whether it had anchors or not, but... Just thinkin, -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From mwarden at odyssey-design.com Fri Apr 13 13:03:28 2001 From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Fri Apr 13 13:03:28 2001 Subject: [thesite] Re: [Admin] Article Approved References: <01c0c2a9$dc7b3ee0$6a4e149a@rudy> <3AD48EA8.5630805E@starkmedia.com> <002301c0c443$7f355b30$5003020a@mwarden> Message-ID: <007501c0c444$217415d0$5003020a@mwarden> > Yes, it's dirty and we'd have to do that on every article whether it had > anchors or not, but... er, we'd have to do the REPLACE on every article... not me changing them to that URL format (just in case that was unclear) From jeff at members.evolt.org Fri Apr 13 13:17:43 2001 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (jeff) Date: Fri Apr 13 13:17:43 2001 Subject: [thesite] Re: [Admin] Article Approved In-Reply-To: <002301c0c443$7f355b30$5003020a@mwarden> Message-ID: matt, :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : From: Warden, Matt : : Why can't we do a replace in CF? I'll : go through and change all intrapage : anchors to something like: : : "Why FrontPage Rules" By: sgd : : Yes, it's dirty and we'd have to do : that on every article whether it had : anchors or not, but... :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ that would put alittle more load on the server to do the replace for all of that. however, it could certainly work. if we're going to go that route though, i'd rather use strings that could be interpreted as actual coldfusion variables. that way, if we ever change the content delivery system to more of an include style, they would automatically get parsed without a replace, accomplishing the same thing we'd be doing now. if you want to go this route, then let's use #article_path# as the variable. let me know when you want to do this and i'll add that replace to the article output page. sound good? .jeff name://jeff.howden game://web.development http://www.evolt.org/ mailto:jeff at members.evolt.org From jeff at members.evolt.org Fri Apr 13 16:03:09 2001 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (jeff) Date: Fri Apr 13 16:03:09 2001 Subject: [thesite] anchors and 6 possible URL formats In-Reply-To: <3AD7073B.DA0803CE@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: djc, :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : From: Daniel J. Cody : : Its doing exactly what it should be doing : right now.. No, people won't be told to : update their bookmarks anymore.. moving on? :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ that's the problem though. matt has brought up a valid issue of there being too many url formats to get to an article. i think that's a valid concern. on top of that, people using the old urls should be encouraged to update their bookmarks. with some other solutions that we're exploring and setting the old-style url redirect back to an intermediate page would get us back to a single, consistent url when viewing articles. .jeff name://jeff.howden game://web.development http://www.evolt.org/ mailto:jeff at members.evolt.org From djc at starkmedia.com Fri Apr 13 16:20:54 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Fri Apr 13 16:20:54 2001 Subject: [thesite] anchors and 6 possible URL formats References: Message-ID: <3AD76C6C.1EEF1359@starkmedia.com> jeff wrote: > that's the problem though. matt has brought up a valid issue of there being > too many url formats to get to an article. i think that's a valid concern. I'm not introducing any new URL formats. Sure its a valid concern, but its got nothing to do with the redirecting. > on top of that, people using the old urls should be encouraged to update > their bookmarks. with some other solutions that we're exploring and setting Maybe you missed isaacs post about doing a search of the evolt site only for pretty much any content on google? All that showed up in the 20 pages of results were 'Update your bookmarks'. Obviously the whole bookmark thing was being made clear, but because spiders dont follow meta-refresh tags, and weren't following the link on the page, shit wasn't getting indexed. In the last 2 weeks since I put the 301 in there we've been getting indexed like crazy. Check out: http://www.google.com/search?as_q=browser&num=10&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_occt=any&lr=&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=www.evolt.org&safe=off (wrap) > the old-style url redirect back to an intermediate page would get us back to > a single, consistent url when viewing articles. Again, there seems to be the impression that the code I used is fucking people up with a new URL scheme. As the whole keyword thread can attest, I'm the #1 enemy of having any more URL schemes than our current scheme since evolt.2.0. To be clear, someone comes in with an old(evolt 1.0) URL like /index.cfm?menu=8&cid=444 - walker and you put that script together that would query the database, put together a new URL and display it on a page telling people to update their bookmarks. The problem with that whole scenerio though is that spiders weren't updating their 'bookmarks', hence the problem. To correct the problem, I have Cold Fusion return a 301 status code which stands for "Moved Permanently" along with a "Location" field informing the client where the document can now be found. This is all the way it *should* be done, according to the HTTP/1.0 and HTTP/1.1 RFC's which are available for everyones viewing pleasure at: http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1945.txt http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2068/rfc2068 (section 10.3) I'd request any action on this issue to be held off untill I return from the easter holiday on Monday.. Thanks .djc. From djc at starkmedia.com Fri Apr 13 16:24:04 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Fri Apr 13 16:24:04 2001 Subject: [thesite] gone.. Message-ID: <3AD76D2D.32E17897@starkmedia.com> gone for the weekend, be back on monday.. Matt, David, Bob, or Mich - could you guys handle thelist subscription approvals for me while I'm away? Thanks and have a nice weekend :) .djc. From jeff at members.evolt.org Fri Apr 13 18:15:00 2001 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (jeff) Date: Fri Apr 13 18:15:00 2001 Subject: [thesite] anchors and 6 possible URL formats In-Reply-To: <3AD76C6C.1EEF1359@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: djc, :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : From: Daniel J. Cody : : jeff wrote: : > that's the problem though. matt has brought : > up a valid issue of there being too many url : > formats to get to an article. i think that's : > a valid concern. : : I'm not introducing any new URL formats. Sure its : a valid concern, but its got nothing to do with : the redirecting. :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ sure it does. instead of using the article title, the redirect has the string "301" in the article title's place. at the very least that should be fixed so it's consistent with the rest of the links on the site to that article. :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : > on top of that, people using the old urls : > should be encouraged to update their bookmarks. : > with some other solutions that we're exploring : > and setting : : Maybe you missed isaacs post about doing a search : of the evolt site only for pretty much any content : on google? All that showed up in the 20 pages of : results were 'Update your bookmarks'. Obviously the : whole bookmark thing was being made clear, but : because spiders dont follow meta-refresh tags, and : weren't following the link on the page, shit wasn't : getting indexed. In the last 2 weeks since I put : the 301 in there we've been getting indexed like crazy. :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ no, i didn't miss isaac's post. however, i did miss a response to that one saying that something was going to be done about it and talking about possible solutions -- as i've been brought to task for recently. i discovered (as did matt very recently) it quite on my own and was surprised to see something already implemented. if we're going to go this route with it, then why not make the entire old-style url 404 handling app perform a redirect for all old urls and not just articles? :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : Again, there seems to be the impression that the code : I used is fucking people up with a new URL scheme. As : the whole keyword thread can attest, I'm the #1 enemy : of having any more URL schemes than our current scheme : since evolt.2.0. :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ so let's do the right thing in the redirect and use the article title like the rest of the links on thesite and not "301". :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : To be clear, someone comes in with an old(evolt 1.0) : URL like /index.cfm?menu=8&cid=444 - walker and you : put that script together that would query the database, : put together a new URL and display it on a page telling : people to update their bookmarks. The problem with that : whole scenerio though is that spiders weren't updating : their 'bookmarks', hence the problem. :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ yes, i agree. that was a problem. that's why i was asking if there was some sort of meta tag or header we can send when displaying the "fix your bookmarks" page that would instruct the search engines to update as well along with the proper new link to the resource. :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : To correct the problem, I have Cold Fusion return a 301 : status code which stands for "Moved Permanently" along : with a "Location" field informing the client where the : document can now be found. :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ that's the sort of header i was looking for. i was just looking for something that didn't involve a redirect so the user could be prompted to fix things on their end. :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : I'd request any action on this issue to be held off : untill I return from the easter holiday on Monday.. :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ i'm fine with that -- i've got way too much to do to get too busy with this anyway. .jeff name://jeff.howden game://web.development http://www.evolt.org/ mailto:jeff at members.evolt.org From mwarden at odyssey-design.com Sun Apr 15 15:02:33 2001 From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Sun Apr 15 15:02:33 2001 Subject: [thesite] Re: [thelist] RSS or Scriptingnews feed References: Message-ID: <00d801c0c5e7$19721cc0$beae1b18@mwarden> > If I might make a suggestion. The current structure doesn't really make much > sense from a semantic POV. The tags don't really say anything about the > content in them. > > BODY is probably not as good a tag name as, say, ARTICLE > > Maybe a format like > > >
\ > Why 'Bobby Approved' is not Enough > http://www.evolt.org/article/headline/4090/9278/index.html >
>
> Page Title Labeling > http://www.evolt.org/article/headline/4090/9179/index.html >
>
I would suggest instead. It's not an article. And rather than . The only problem is that some people are already using the current format, and those people's stylesheets will fail if we change the structure as dramatically as suggested here. -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From mwarden at mattwarden.com Sun Apr 15 23:24:59 2001 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Sun Apr 15 23:24:59 2001 Subject: [thesite] Re: for someone with access to the db References: <200104152000.OAA01368@alice.monkeyland.ca> Message-ID: <01dd01c0c62d$4ad561a0$beae1b18@mwarden> I've gone through all of these and we will no longer have a refresh of the page under certain conditions when an intra-page anchor is clicked. Big thanks to .jeff and Dean. You guys rock. 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http://evolt.org/article/sexy/20/5816/index.html > http://evolt.org/article/sexy/25/6096/index.html > http://evolt.org/article/sexy/18/9155/index.html > http://evolt.org/article/sexy/18/9279/index.html > http://evolt.org/article/sexy/25/9346/index.html > http://evolt.org/article/sexy/4090/9601/index.html From djc at starkmedia.com Mon Apr 16 10:02:37 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Mon Apr 16 10:02:37 2001 Subject: [thesite] anchors and 6 possible URL formats References: Message-ID: <3ADB0844.E5FD4C13@starkmedia.com> jeff wrote: > :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > : From: Daniel J. Cody > : > : jeff wrote: > : > that's the problem though. matt has brought > : > up a valid issue of there being too many url > : > formats to get to an article. i think that's > : > a valid concern. > : > : I'm not introducing any new URL formats. Sure its > : a valid concern, but its got nothing to do with > : the redirecting. > :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > sure it does. instead of using the article title, the redirect has the > string "301" in the article title's place. at the very least that should be > fixed so it's consistent with the rest of the links on the site to that > article. I didn't realize this was such an issue all the sudden. I mean, we're using other things besides '301' in 5 or 6 other places. But ya, sure we could use the article title there instead. I put 301 in there for a couple reasons though; 1.) To track which sites were sending us the most 'old school' URL's. That way, we could manually contact those people and have them update their links and over the course of a month or two have almost zero 'old school' URL's coming into our site anymore, fixing the problem for good. 2.) I didn't feel like putting more shit in there than I needed.. When i was working on it, I recall something being in the code that made me say 'Too much trouble/DB processing time' or something like that.. And since DB processing time seems to be such a big issue lately, maybe its not a bad call.. > no, i didn't miss isaac's post. however, i did miss a response to that one > saying that something was going to be done about it and talking about > possible solutions -- as i've been brought to task for recently. http://lists.evolt.org/adminarchive/Week-of-Mon-20010326/029648.html http://lists.evolt.org/adminarchive/Week-of-Mon-20010326/029662.html http://lists.evolt.org/adminarchive/Week-of-Mon-20010326/029675.html > if we're going to go this route with it, then why not make the entire > old-style url 404 handling app perform a redirect for all old urls and not > just articles? Seeing that 99.5% of all old school URL's that we were worried about were for articles, I didn't see it a pressing need to give 301's for people that may have bookmarked a users information page(for example). But ya, whatever.. > :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > : To be clear, someone comes in with an old(evolt 1.0) > : URL like /index.cfm?menu=8&cid=444 - walker and you > : put that script together that would query the database, > : put together a new URL and display it on a page telling > : people to update their bookmarks. The problem with that > : whole scenerio though is that spiders weren't updating > : their 'bookmarks', hence the problem. > :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > yes, i agree. that was a problem. that's why i was asking if there was > some sort of meta tag or header we can send when displaying the "fix your > bookmarks" page that would instruct the search engines to update as well > along with the proper new link to the resource. I'll recycle this one more time: "To correct the problem, I have Cold Fusion return a 301 status code which stands for "Moved Permanently" along with a "Location" field informing the client where the document can now be found." > that's the sort of header i was looking for. i was just looking for > something that didn't involve a redirect so the user could be prompted to > fix things on their end. Its up to the client software how to handle the 'location' field in the header. Apparently, most browsers seem to do a complete redirect to the new URL. Its more important that search engines get our content IMO than making sure 50-75 people out there are made aware that they should update their bookmarks. .djc. From djc at starkmedia.com Mon Apr 16 12:39:35 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Mon Apr 16 12:39:35 2001 Subject: [thesite] Re: [thelist] RSS or Scriptingnews feed References: Message-ID: <3ADB2D11.AD6E9458@starkmedia.com> just curious, but are you going to change the content type with cfhead or something for that page? if so, you should give it an .xml extension just to be consistant. .djc. jeff wrote: > :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > : The server is sending it as a plain text file > : (I believe). Any chance you can change the MIME > : type and serve it as an XML file? > :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > sure, let me know the mime type it should be sending it as and i'll make the > necessary changes. From jeff at members.evolt.org Mon Apr 16 14:48:06 2001 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (jeff) Date: Mon Apr 16 14:48:06 2001 Subject: [thesite] Re: [thelist] RSS or Scriptingnews feed In-Reply-To: <3ADB2D11.AD6E9458@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: djc, :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : From: Daniel J. Cody : : just curious, but are you going to change the : content type with cfhead or something for that : page? :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ yes, and i'll use . :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : if so, you should give it an .xml extension : just to be consistant. :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ giving it a .xml extension would be easy, but that'd mean hardcoding the link. i'm not sure i really want to do that for maintenance issues. i'll play around with it and see if i can come up with a solution i think is workable. thanks, .jeff name://jeff.howden game://web.development http://www.evolt.org/ mailto:jeff at members.evolt.org From djc at starkmedia.com Mon Apr 16 14:52:01 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Mon Apr 16 14:52:01 2001 Subject: [thesite] Re: [thelist] RSS or Scriptingnews feed References: Message-ID: <3ADB4C19.A71F3053@starkmedia.com> The reason that might be important is because we don't want to be crossing mime-type's with extensions. If we assign a text/xml mime-type to /xml/article/index.html it probably won't break anything, but its just ugly since we're already giving a mime-type of text/html to .html files. In other words, we shouldn't be setting mime-types on the fly. That and its not an HTML file, but an XML file. Its just one more hack that we don't need to deal with IMO. .djc. jeff wrote: > :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > : if so, you should give it an .xml extension > : just to be consistant. > :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > giving it a .xml extension would be easy, but that'd mean hardcoding the > link. i'm not sure i really want to do that for maintenance issues. i'll > play around with it and see if i can come up with a solution i think is > workable. From jeff at members.evolt.org Mon Apr 16 15:29:02 2001 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (jeff) Date: Mon Apr 16 15:29:02 2001 Subject: [thesite] Re: [thelist] RSS or Scriptingnews feed In-Reply-To: <3ADB4C19.A71F3053@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: djc, :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : From: Daniel J. Cody : : The reason that might be important is because : we don't want to be crossing mime-type's with : extensions. :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ a valid concern. :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : If we assign a text/xml mime-type to : /xml/article/index.html it probably won't : break anything, but its just ugly since : we're already giving a mime-type of : text/html to .html files. :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ that's the beauty of using -- only the mime-type you specify gets sent out to the user. :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : In other words, we shouldn't be setting : mime-types on the fly. That and its not : an HTML file, but an XML file. Its just : one more hack that we don't need to deal : with IMO. :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ possibly. in this case we can get away with changing the file extension. however, there are plenty of instances where that won't be possible and we'll have to rely on the mime-type alone. with out setup, it really doesn't matter what extension the file is requested with -- as evidenced by early days of t.e.o where we had an evolt.borg file extension. what really matters is the mime-type. nonetheless, check this out: http://evolt.org/xml/articles.xml http://evolt.org/rdf/articles.xml .jeff name://jeff.howden game://web.development http://www.evolt.org/ mailto:jeff at members.evolt.org From djc at starkmedia.com Mon Apr 16 15:46:47 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Mon Apr 16 15:46:47 2001 Subject: [thesite] RSS or Scriptingnews feed References: Message-ID: <3ADB58F2.A3354F44@starkmedia.com> jeff wrote: > with out setup, it really doesn't matter what extension the file is > requested with -- as evidenced by early days of t.e.o where we had an > evolt.borg file extension. what really matters is the mime-type. I know it doesn't matter what extension the file is, I'm saying we should be consistant with associating mime types and file extensions.. XML should be text/xml and HTML should be text/html whether they're dynamic or not .. > http://evolt.org/xml/articles.xml > http://evolt.org/rdf/articles.xml throwing some kind of error.. System does not support the specified encoding. Line 1, Position 44 Message-ID: djc, :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : From: Daniel J. Cody : : jeff wrote: : : > what really matters is the mime-type. : : I know it doesn't matter what extension the : file is, I'm saying we should be consistant : with associating mime types and file extensions.. : XML should be text/xml and HTML should be : text/html whether they're dynamic or not .. :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ i haven't really formed an opinion on this yet. :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : > http://evolt.org/xml/articles.xml : > http://evolt.org/rdf/articles.xml : : throwing some kind of error.. : System does not support the specified encoding. Line 1, Position 44 : : Message-ID: I agree that the file extensions/mime types should match up. If for no other reason than predictability. It seems that mixing everything up would cause more headaches than it's worth in the future--though I cannot explain exactly why. Just an instinct thing. -joshua > -----Original Message----- > From: thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org > [mailto:thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of jeff > Subject: RE: [thesite] RSS or Scriptingnews feed > > > djc, > > :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > : From: Daniel J. Cody > : > : jeff wrote: > : > : > what really matters is the mime-type. > : > : I know it doesn't matter what extension the > : file is, I'm saying we should be consistant > : with associating mime types and file extensions.. > : XML should be text/xml and HTML should be > : text/html whether they're dynamic or not .. > :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > i haven't really formed an opinion on this yet. From djc at starkmedia.com Mon Apr 16 20:57:21 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Mon Apr 16 20:57:21 2001 Subject: [thesite] RSS or Scriptingnews feed References: Message-ID: <3ADBC0E6.20505@starkmedia.com> jeff wrote: > : > what really matters is the mime-type. > > : > > : I know it doesn't matter what extension the > > : file is, I'm saying we should be consistant > > : with associating mime types and file extensions.. > > : XML should be text/xml and HTML should be > > : text/html whether they're dynamic or not .. > > :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > i haven't really formed an opinion on this yet. *shrug* consitancy is more important than any one of our opinions > : > : -------------------------------------------^ > > : > > : Not sure if thats an IE thing though. > > :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > odd, it's coming up without flaws for me -- on win2k ie5.0. weird. i was using ie 5.5 when i got that error.. anyone else? .djc. From martin at members.evolt.org Tue Apr 17 00:27:52 2001 From: martin at members.evolt.org (martin at members.evolt.org) Date: Tue Apr 17 00:27:52 2001 Subject: [thesite] AvantGo version of thesite In-Reply-To: <3AD65452.20201.24C81070@localhost> References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010412235504.021ad9b0@pop.easyweb.co.uk> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010417062844.00a5d990@members.evolt.org> At 01:20 13/04/01 -0400, aardvark wrote: > > adrian, can you talk with martin about the bit depth requirements as > > well as optimal size? as soon as i have those logos and the bit > > depths they apply to i'll make the necessary changes to the avantgo > > layout. > >yep... > >martin, lemme know your requirements, and i'll make a batch... * No tab, just the logo * About 1/2 the current size * Current bit-depth is froody on Visor. If i get chance I'll try on Palm III, but that's not likely anytime soon. >you have access to a digital camera? can you do screenshots for >me so i can get an idea of how it will render as-is? Sadly not (and having just lashed out on a new Handspring + Visorphone I don't see it happening soon) Cheers Martin From john at userfrenzy.com Tue Apr 17 04:11:24 2001 From: john at userfrenzy.com (John Handelaar) Date: Tue Apr 17 04:11:24 2001 Subject: [thesite] RSS or Scriptingnews feed In-Reply-To: <3ADBC0E6.20505@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org > [mailto:thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Daniel J. Cody > Sent: 17 April 2001 05:05 > To: thesite at lists.evolt.org > Subject: Re: [thesite] RSS or Scriptingnews feed > > > jeff wrote: > > > > odd, it's coming up without flaws for me -- on win2k ie5.0. weird. > > i was using ie 5.5 when i got that error.. anyone else? 6.0beta on 2k - fine in both cases (although the first has CFDATA in every tag). Second is spot on - clearly our browser problem from the first attempt - which is still doing its job quite nicely, btw - was the MIME type not being text/xml. ------------------------------------------ John Handelaar T +44 20 7209 4117 M +44 7930 681789 F +44 870 169 7657 E john at userfrenzy.com ------------------------------------------ From mwarden at mattwarden.com Tue Apr 17 17:02:22 2001 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Tue Apr 17 17:02:22 2001 Subject: [thesite] Re: test.evolt.org References: <01c0c787$994f5740$7f4d149a@rudy> Message-ID: <02e801c0c78a$33d400c0$5703020a@mwarden> > to confirm, yes, i do have all the passwords from dan, but contrary to > rumour, all i can do is access the production database -- you do not want > me even attempting anything else (image of child playing with matches) > > despite the necessity (or convenience) of touching live stuff, which has to > happen from time to time, i think we should try to get a good test > environment (site plus database) going > > who can help us get there? if anybody else feels like i do, let's take > this over to thesite If anything, it would be easier to have changes like mine in a central place. Plus, I could integrate my changes with the dynamic file rather than having dan or someone else do it. But, this would probably only be a testbed for the w.e.o site, right? Oh well. Still a good thing, IMO. We would have to address keeping the t.e.o version current, tho. Especially with *cough* certain people *cough* making changes directly to the w.e.o site. =P If we get this set up, I'll insert some test data, etc. I have a local version of thesite, but it's a little outdated. Thoughts? -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From dsmah at home.com Tue Apr 17 17:25:24 2001 From: dsmah at home.com (Dean Mah) Date: Tue Apr 17 17:25:24 2001 Subject: [thesite] Re: test.evolt.org In-Reply-To: <02e801c0c78a$33d400c0$5703020a@mwarden> from "Warden, Matt" at Apr 17, 2001 06:03:07 PM Message-ID: <200104172230.QAA04942@alice.monkeyland.ca> In a previous environment that I worked in, we used CVS to handle the concurrent development updates. We had an automated process that did pushes from CVS fixes branch into production every morning. For critical fixes, there was also a manual scripted way to push changes immediately into production. Any large scale development would be in a CVS dev branch that would be synchronized with the fixes branch periodically. This was the ideal situation for us. People that needed to push changes into production immediately could while people that wanted/needed/were required to have their changes QA'ed could have that done as well. And then depending on the branching structure, we could have an area for long-term development. Dean Warden, Matt writes: > > to confirm, yes, i do have all the passwords from dan, but contrary to > > rumour, all i can do is access the production database -- you do not want > > me even attempting anything else (image of child playing with matches) > > > > despite the necessity (or convenience) of touching live stuff, which has > to > > happen from time to time, i think we should try to get a good test > > environment (site plus database) going > > > > who can help us get there? if anybody else feels like i do, let's take > > this over to thesite > > If anything, it would be easier to have changes like mine in a central > place. > > Plus, I could integrate my changes with the dynamic file rather than having > dan or someone else do it. > > But, this would probably only be a testbed for the w.e.o site, right? Oh > well. Still a good thing, IMO. > > We would have to address keeping the t.e.o version current, tho. Especially > with *cough* certain people *cough* making changes directly to the w.e.o > site. =P > > If we get this set up, I'll insert some test data, etc. I have a local > version of thesite, but it's a little outdated. > > > Thoughts? From djc at starkmedia.com Tue Apr 17 17:44:42 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Tue Apr 17 17:44:42 2001 Subject: [thesite] Re: test.evolt.org References: <200104172230.QAA04942@alice.monkeyland.ca> Message-ID: <3ADCC611.D7AED38B@starkmedia.com> I'd love to go to a CVS stype enviornment.. However, I remember when I tried to push all thesite code into a sourceforge CVS account, no one would touch it with a 5 foot stick. *shrug* Dean Mah wrote: > > In a previous environment that I worked in, we used CVS to handle the > concurrent development updates. We had an automated process that did > pushes from CVS fixes branch into production every morning. For > critical fixes, there was also a manual scripted way to push changes > immediately into production. Any large scale development would be in > a CVS dev branch that would be synchronized with the fixes branch > periodically. > > This was the ideal situation for us. People that needed to push > changes into production immediately could while people that > wanted/needed/were required to have their changes QA'ed could have > that done as well. And then depending on the branching structure, we > could have an area for long-term development. > > Dean > > Warden, Matt writes: > > > > to confirm, yes, i do have all the passwords from dan, but contrary to > > > rumour, all i can do is access the production database -- you do not want > > > me even attempting anything else (image of child playing with matches) > > > > > > despite the necessity (or convenience) of touching live stuff, which has > > to > > > happen from time to time, i think we should try to get a good test > > > environment (site plus database) going > > > > > > who can help us get there? if anybody else feels like i do, let's take > > > this over to thesite > > > > If anything, it would be easier to have changes like mine in a central > > place. > > > > Plus, I could integrate my changes with the dynamic file rather than having > > dan or someone else do it. > > > > But, this would probably only be a testbed for the w.e.o site, right? Oh > > well. Still a good thing, IMO. > > > > We would have to address keeping the t.e.o version current, tho. Especially > > with *cough* certain people *cough* making changes directly to the w.e.o > > site. =P > > > > If we get this set up, I'll insert some test data, etc. I have a local > > version of thesite, but it's a little outdated. > > > > > > Thoughts? > > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/ > and new & improved kentucky fried old archives: > http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/ From elfur at members.evolt.org Tue Apr 17 17:49:37 2001 From: elfur at members.evolt.org (Elfur Logadottir) Date: Tue Apr 17 17:49:37 2001 Subject: [thesite] Re: test.evolt.org References: <200104172230.QAA04942@alice.monkeyland.ca> <3ADCC611.D7AED38B@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <021901c0c790$e28e0470$40aefea9@DWARFS> From: "Daniel J. Cody" | I'd love to go to a CVS stype enviornment.. | | However, I remember when I tried to push all thesite code into a | sourceforge CVS account, no one would touch it with a 5 foot stick. that would just be something we had to get used to. I think this is what we should do, but hey, that's just me and my *strong* opinions these days :-) *the interfering one* From djc at starkmedia.com Tue Apr 17 17:57:37 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Tue Apr 17 17:57:37 2001 Subject: [thesite] Re: test.evolt.org References: <200104172230.QAA04942@alice.monkeyland.ca> <3ADCC611.D7AED38B@starkmedia.com> <021901c0c790$e28e0470$40aefea9@DWARFS> Message-ID: <3ADCC912.909766E8@starkmedia.com> i've got something else coming actually.. The reason I stopped emailing you today was cus I got a good idea for an application we(evolt workers) could use. I dunno if i'll be done tonite, but tomorrow for sure. not like i need anything else to do, but this will save shitloads of time in the longrun Elfur Logadottir wrote: > > From: "Daniel J. Cody" > > | I'd love to go to a CVS stype enviornment.. > | > | However, I remember when I tried to push all thesite code into a > | sourceforge CVS account, no one would touch it with a 5 foot stick. > > that would just be something we had to get used to. > I think this is what we should do, but hey, that's just me and my > *strong* opinions these days :-) From dsmah at home.com Tue Apr 17 18:06:32 2001 From: dsmah at home.com (Dean Mah) Date: Tue Apr 17 18:06:32 2001 Subject: [thesite] Re: test.evolt.org In-Reply-To: <3ADCC611.D7AED38B@starkmedia.com> from "Daniel J. Cody" at Apr 17, 2001 05:39:13 PM Message-ID: <200104172310.RAA05102@alice.monkeyland.ca> Yeah, I remember that. The problem with SourceForge is that (I don't think at least) you can't push the changes that you have commited into production immediately. For small changes (bug fixes) and since we don't really have a QA process, you need this ability. Without it, you have to make your changes, wait for a vote on the changes (QA), commit, and then wait for someone with authority to grab the code from SF push it into production. This process is too heavy for some of the developers and so they will tend to ignore it and go outside the process. Or say 'screw this' and leave the company which is what I did (but our process was a lot heavier, e.g., we were warned that if we touched the code outside of an assigned bug or feature enhancement that we could be fired). Dean Daniel J. Cody writes: > I'd love to go to a CVS stype enviornment.. > > However, I remember when I tried to push all thesite code into a > sourceforge CVS account, no one would touch it with a 5 foot stick. > > *shrug* > > Dean Mah wrote: > > > > In a previous environment that I worked in, we used CVS to handle the > > concurrent development updates. We had an automated process that did > > pushes from CVS fixes branch into production every morning. For > > critical fixes, there was also a manual scripted way to push changes > > immediately into production. Any large scale development would be in > > a CVS dev branch that would be synchronized with the fixes branch > > periodically. > > > > This was the ideal situation for us. People that needed to push > > changes into production immediately could while people that > > wanted/needed/were required to have their changes QA'ed could have > > that done as well. And then depending on the branching structure, we > > could have an area for long-term development. > > > > Dean From elfur at members.evolt.org Tue Apr 17 18:09:47 2001 From: elfur at members.evolt.org (Elfur Logadottir) Date: Tue Apr 17 18:09:47 2001 Subject: [thesite] Re: test.evolt.org References: <200104172230.QAA04942@alice.monkeyland.ca> <3ADCC611.D7AED38B@starkmedia.com> <021901c0c790$e28e0470$40aefea9@DWARFS> <3ADCC912.909766E8@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <022501c0c793$b4c7b240$40aefea9@DWARFS> From: "Daniel J. Cody" | i've got something else coming actually.. The reason I stopped emailing | you today was cus I got a good idea for an application we(evolt workers) | could use. well how about that, my babbling worked :-) I actually have also started organising something, but I'll tell you mine when you've told me yours :) | I dunno if i'll be done tonite, but tomorrow for sure. not like i need | anything else to do, but this will save shitloads of time in the longrun I can't wait. just holler if you need any help. *the interfering one* From djc at starkmedia.com Tue Apr 17 18:21:47 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Tue Apr 17 18:21:47 2001 Subject: [thesite] Re: test.evolt.org References: <200104172230.QAA04942@alice.monkeyland.ca> <3ADCC611.D7AED38B@starkmedia.com> <021901c0c790$e28e0470$40aefea9@DWARFS> <3ADCC912.909766E8@starkmedia.com> <022501c0c793$b4c7b240$40aefea9@DWARFS> Message-ID: <3ADCCEC3.D0D00BCB@starkmedia.com> ok.. i may need you to test it out tonite.. got time? Elfur Logadottir wrote: > > From: "Daniel J. Cody" > > | i've got something else coming actually.. The reason I stopped > emailing > | you today was cus I got a good idea for an application we(evolt > workers) > | could use. > > well how about that, my babbling worked :-) > I actually have also started organising something, but I'll tell you > mine when you've told me yours :) > > | I dunno if i'll be done tonite, but tomorrow for sure. not like i > need > | anything else to do, but this will save shitloads of time in the > longrun > > I can't wait. > just holler if you need any help. > > *the interfering one* > > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/ > and new & improved kentucky fried old archives: > http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/ From r937 at interlog.com Tue Apr 17 19:09:23 2001 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Tue Apr 17 19:09:23 2001 Subject: [thesite] Re: test.evolt.org Message-ID: <01c0c79b$edd39a60$d34f149a@rudy> > we were warned that if we touched the code > outside of an assigned bug or feature enhancement > that we could be fired that sucks having been in management for fifteen years, i know where they're coming from, but nevertheless, and irregardless, it still sucks big time here at evolt we *are* going to have people touching production all the time fact of life, don't shoot the messenger, get over it, yadda yadda meanwhile, if there were a really easy test environment to try stuff on, i would use it all the time, and i'm *sure* it would cut down on people experimenting in prod the thing about source management systems, they bog down with complexity let me suggest a scenario, shoot it down if you like, but here goes since it's relatively easy for a sysadmin to copy prod to test, what if we had all the code, and all the database, copied from prod to test on a regular basis, say, weekly or something that would put the onus on the developer to test his stuff and get it copied back to prod, all before the next copy from prod to test -- weekly, by pre-arrangement, whatever... a test site and test database, readily available... [homer voice] mmmmmmmm, test environments.... signing off for the night jimi ______ i'm not the only soul accused of hit and run tire tracks all across your back i can see you had your fun but darlin can't you see my signals turn from green to red and with you i can see a traffic jam straight up ahead just ask the axis he knows everything From djc at starkmedia.com Tue Apr 17 19:11:43 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Tue Apr 17 19:11:43 2001 Subject: [thesite] Re: test.evolt.org References: <200104172230.QAA04942@alice.monkeyland.ca> <3ADCC611.D7AED38B@starkmedia.com> <021901c0c790$e28e0470$40aefea9@DWARFS> <3ADCC912.909766E8@starkmedia.com> <022501c0c793$b4c7b240$40aefea9@DWARFS> <3ADCCEC3.D0D00BCB@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <3ADCF9AB.80500@starkmedia.com> never mind ;) I just got home and had a beer and realized i wont be getting to this till tomorrow.. stay tuned Daniel J. Cody wrote: > ok.. i may need you to test it out tonite.. > > > > got time? > > > > Elfur Logadottir wrote: > > >> From: "Daniel J. Cody" >> >> | i've got something else coming actually.. The reason I stopped > >> emailing > >> | you today was cus I got a good idea for an application we(evolt > >> workers) > >> | could use. > >> > >> well how about that, my babbling worked :-) > >> I actually have also started organising something, but I'll tell you > >> mine when you've told me yours :) > >> > >> | I dunno if i'll be done tonite, but tomorrow for sure. not like i > >> need > >> | anything else to do, but this will save shitloads of time in the > >> longrun > >> > >> I can't wait. > >> just holler if you need any help. From elfur at members.evolt.org Tue Apr 17 19:30:03 2001 From: elfur at members.evolt.org (Elfur Logadottir) Date: Tue Apr 17 19:30:03 2001 Subject: [thesite] Re: test.evolt.org References: <200104172230.QAA04942@alice.monkeyland.ca> <3ADCC611.D7AED38B@starkmedia.com> <021901c0c790$e28e0470$40aefea9@DWARFS> <3ADCC912.909766E8@starkmedia.com> <022501c0c793$b4c7b240$40aefea9@DWARFS> <3ADCCEC3.D0D00BCB@starkmedia.com> <3ADCF9AB.80500@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <024701c0c79e$ebcee960$40aefea9@DWARFS> From: "Daniel J. Cody" | never mind ;) | | I just got home and had a beer and realized i wont be getting to this | till tomorrow.. good, cause I fell a sleep in front of the telly, and am moving to the bed now zzzzzzzzz | stay tuned will do. all though, thursday is yet another national holiday (just finished 5 days by going to work today :-) so tomorrow night there's going to be some work drinking (at least from 17-20 GMT and we'll see about the rest) *the sleeping one* zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz From mwarden at mattwarden.com Tue Apr 17 20:55:43 2001 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Tue Apr 17 20:55:43 2001 Subject: [thesite] slow response time on w.e.o Message-ID: <014001c0c7aa$ca09edf0$beae1b18@mwarden> thesite, Is anyone else getting some slow response time when contacting www.evolt.org. I'm on cable and watching my browser's status bar shows immediate connection to www.evolt.org, but it takes a good 3 to 4 seconds before I get a reply. Anyone else? -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From roselli at earthlink.net Tue Apr 17 23:41:54 2001 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Tue Apr 17 23:41:54 2001 Subject: [thesite] Re: test.evolt.org In-Reply-To: <3ADCC611.D7AED38B@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <3ADCE2A8.30201.11FE85E6@localhost> > From: "Daniel J. Cody" > > I'd love to go to a CVS stype enviornment.. +1 > However, I remember when I tried to push all thesite code into a > sourceforge CVS account, no one would touch it with a 5 foot stick. i still don't get that... i don't touch the code, so no, i wasn't going to go in there, but to do the nitpicky crap jeff did for me tonight would be much better if i *could* just do that... so yeah, *who* didn't use it? would jeff? i would... what about mccreath? who else touches the code? rudy? i think that's the way it should go, period... i think we've proven that we need version control and some sort of audit control as well... although i think you're right, dan, i was the only one who was vocal about how cool that was that i can think of... From djc at starkmedia.com Wed Apr 18 08:27:36 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Wed Apr 18 08:27:36 2001 Subject: [thesite] slow response time on w.e.o References: <014001c0c7aa$ca09edf0$beae1b18@mwarden> Message-ID: <3ADD94FD.D65A9AD0@starkmedia.com> ya, this happens for me all the time too.. if the front page query isnt' cached(10 or 20 minutes) it takes about 13-17 seconds for it to run the 'big' query on the front page. IOW, if no one has visited the front page in the last 10 minutes, its going to take a while to load. here's an example without that front query cached, you can see that act_home.cfm(the template that runs the query) is the bottleneck: Execution Time 16094 milliseconds 8 ms /HOME/EVOLT/MAIN_HTML/ALPHABOXCONTROLLER.CFM 158 ms /HOME/EVOLT/MAIN_HTML/EVOLT/APPLICATION.CFM 43 ms /HOME/EVOLT/MAIN_HTML/EVOLT/APP_CHOOSER.CFM 2 ms /HOME/EVOLT/MAIN_HTML/EVOLT/DEF_HOME.CFM 0 ms /HOME/EVOLT/MAIN_HTML/EVOLT/DSP_FOOTER.CFM 16 ms /HOME/EVOLT/MAIN_HTML/EVOLT/DSP_HEADER.CFM 8 ms /HOME/EVOLT/MAIN_HTML/EVOLT/DSP_SIDEBAR.CFM 14988 ms /HOME/EVOLT/MAIN_HTML/EVOLT/HOME/ACT_HOME.CFM 452 ms /HOME/EVOLT/MAIN_HTML/EVOLT/HOME/DSP_HOME.CFM 1 ms /HOME/EVOLT/MAIN_HTML/EVOLT/HOME/PAGERESULTS.CFM 3 ms /HOME/EVOLT/MAIN_HTML/EVOLT/HOME_DESIGN.CFM 2 ms /HOME/EVOLT/MAIN_HTML/EVOLT/INDEX.CFM 107 ms /HOME/EVOLT/MAIN_HTML/EVOLT/PAGERESULTS.CFM 73 ms /HOME/EVOLT/MAIN_HTML/EVOLT/SIDEBAR/ACT_AVERAGERATING.CFM 66 ms /HOME/EVOLT/MAIN_HTML/EVOLT/SIDEBAR/ACT_COUNTCOMMENTS.CFM 1 ms /HOME/EVOLT/MAIN_HTML/EVOLT/SIDEBAR/ACT_JOBS.CFM 11 ms /HOME/EVOLT/MAIN_HTML/EVOLT/SIDEBAR/DSP_AVERAGERATING.CFM 11 ms /HOME/EVOLT/MAIN_HTML/EVOLT/SIDEBAR/DSP_COUNTCOMMENTS.CFM 85 ms /HOME/EVOLT/MAIN_HTML/EVOLT/SIDEBAR/DSP_JOBS.CFM 1 ms /HOME/EVOLT/MAIN_HTML/EVOLT/SIDEBAR/DSP_LOGIN.CFM 0 ms /HOME/EVOLT/MAIN_HTML/EVOLT/SIDEBAR/DSP_SEARCH.CFM 35 ms /HOME/EVOLT/MAIN_HTML/EVOLT/UTA.CFM anyways, hopefully that explains it. .djc. "Warden, Matt" wrote: > > thesite, > > Is anyone else getting some slow response time when contacting > www.evolt.org. I'm on cable and watching my browser's status bar shows > immediate connection to www.evolt.org, but it takes a good 3 to 4 seconds > before I get a reply. From mccreath at ak.net Wed Apr 18 09:16:21 2001 From: mccreath at ak.net (mccreath) Date: Wed Apr 18 09:16:21 2001 Subject: [thesite] Re: test.evolt.org In-Reply-To: <3ADCE2A8.30201.11FE85E6@localhost> Message-ID: > > From: "Daniel J. Cody" > > > > I'd love to go to a CVS stype enviornment.. > > +1 +1 > so yeah, *who* didn't use it? would jeff? i would... what about > mccreath? who else touches the code? rudy? I would. > i think that's the way it should go, period... i think we've proven that > we need version control and some sort of audit control as well... I think it would help, but I also think it's really only going to be beneficial if everyone agrees to use it and if we're working on a test site with one or two people tasked with rolling the changes onto the live site. David From elfur at lists.evolt.org Wed Apr 18 09:24:41 2001 From: elfur at lists.evolt.org (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Elfur_Logad=F3ttir?=) Date: Wed Apr 18 09:24:41 2001 Subject: [thesite] Re: test.evolt.org References: Message-ID: <012e01c0c813$80c43510$c3fda8c0@evolt> From: "mccreath" | > so yeah, *who* didn't use it? would jeff? i would... what about | > mccreath? who else touches the code? rudy? | | I would. and I would. | > i think that's the way it should go, period... i think we've proven that | > we need version control and some sort of audit control as well... | | I think it would help, but I also think it's really only going to be | beneficial if everyone agrees to use it and if we're working on a test site | with one or two people tasked with rolling the changes onto the live site. +1 elfur *the interfering one* From djc at starkmedia.com Wed Apr 18 11:00:47 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Wed Apr 18 11:00:47 2001 Subject: [thesite] anyone got a minute? Message-ID: <3ADDB8E6.63689251@starkmedia.com> i need one or two people to help me out with testing a new application for evolt this morning.. anyone(doesn't have to be anyone thats even *that* active either) got a bit of time to do some shit this morngin? :) From McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us Wed Apr 18 11:02:52 2001 From: McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us (McCreath_David) Date: Wed Apr 18 11:02:52 2001 Subject: [thesite] anyone got a minute? Message-ID: <9627DBCB3063D311BC4B00902785C55F02A12633@EXPO1> Hey, Dan -- I got a few minutes, but after the next half hour, it's gonna be hit and miss. Will that work for you? David >-----Original Message----- >From: thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org >[mailto:thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Daniel J. Cody >Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 7:55 AM >To: thesite at lists.evolt.org >Subject: [thesite] anyone got a minute? > > >i need one or two people to help me out with testing a new application >for evolt this morning.. > >anyone(doesn't have to be anyone thats even *that* active either) got a >bit of time to do some shit this morngin? :) > >_______________________________________________ >http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/ >and new & improved kentucky fried old archives: >http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/ > From elfur at lists.evolt.org Wed Apr 18 11:08:37 2001 From: elfur at lists.evolt.org (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Elfur_Logad=F3ttir?=) Date: Wed Apr 18 11:08:37 2001 Subject: [thesite] anyone got a minute? References: <3ADDB8E6.63689251@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <019501c0c822$06c8f390$c3fda8c0@evolt> I'm here, for another hour :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel J. Cody" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 3:55 PM Subject: [thesite] anyone got a minute? | i need one or two people to help me out with testing a new application | for evolt this morning.. | | anyone(doesn't have to be anyone thats even *that* active either) got a | bit of time to do some shit this morngin? :) | | _______________________________________________ | http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/ | and new & improved kentucky fried old archives: | http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/ | From dsmah at home.com Wed Apr 18 11:21:57 2001 From: dsmah at home.com (Dean Mah) Date: Wed Apr 18 11:21:57 2001 Subject: [thesite] anyone got a minute? In-Reply-To: <3ADDB8E6.63689251@starkmedia.com> from "Daniel J. Cody" at Apr 18, 2001 10:55:18 AM Message-ID: <200104181626.KAA01402@alice.monkeyland.ca> I'm on course for this week so my time is spotty at best. I'll have time at lunch which is an hour and a half from now. Dean Daniel J. Cody writes: > i need one or two people to help me out with testing a new application > for evolt this morning.. > > anyone(doesn't have to be anyone thats even *that* active either) got a > bit of time to do some shit this morngin? :) From djc at starkmedia.com Wed Apr 18 11:26:52 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Wed Apr 18 11:26:52 2001 Subject: [thesite] anyone got a minute? References: <200104181626.KAA01402@alice.monkeyland.ca> Message-ID: <3ADDBF01.3FDDF815@starkmedia.com> ok, for those of you that have time. http://admin.evolt.org/ select your username and your password is 'evolt' without the quotes. change your password on the 'staff' link at the top. its very rough at this point because I've basically wrote this from scratch in about 6 hours. input some jobs, add some events, lemme knwo what breaks. From McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us Wed Apr 18 11:34:22 2001 From: McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us (McCreath_David) Date: Wed Apr 18 11:34:22 2001 Subject: staff form (was RE: [thesite] anyone got a minute?) Message-ID: <9627DBCB3063D311BC4B00902785C55F02A12637@EXPO1> Hey, Dan -- The staff form is currently requiring *all* the data to be entered before it will change your password. No biggie, just so you know. Looking cool so far... David >-----Original Message----- >From: thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org > >ok, for those of you that have time. > >http://admin.evolt.org/ > From djc at starkmedia.com Wed Apr 18 11:36:32 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Wed Apr 18 11:36:32 2001 Subject: [thesite] anyone got a minute? References: <200104181626.KAA01402@alice.monkeyland.ca> <3ADDBF01.3FDDF815@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <3ADDC143.533965AD@starkmedia.com> if you don't show up in that list(only elfur, david and dean are in the users table right now) and want to try this out, lemme know.. I'd really like to get a lot of people testing this ASAP so we can actually start using it. things you should know: the code is complete shit. the HTML uses tags and all that nasty kind of shit. the Cold fusion is probably the worst looking stuff I've ever written. BUT, this isn't public and I was in a serious hurry writting it. it works, thats whats important at this point. :) no, the users aren't being pulled out of the main evolt user table. in fact, this DB has *nothing* to do with the main evolt database at all. again, time being a factor and the fact that other than usernames, it has nothing to do with evolts main DB. perhaps someday we'll tie them in, not today :) this is just to get us going with our internal 'project management'. i know there are a billion things that could be better, but its better than what we have :) anyways, feedback is a must have "Daniel J. Cody" wrote: > > ok, for those of you that have time. From djc at starkmedia.com Wed Apr 18 11:37:47 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Wed Apr 18 11:37:47 2001 Subject: staff form (was RE: [thesite] anyone got a minute?) References: <9627DBCB3063D311BC4B00902785C55F02A12637@EXPO1> Message-ID: <3ADDC191.5FCA7606@starkmedia.com> oh. err.. ok. never mind that shit on the bottom of that form about font face, text color, etc.. thats something i was jerking around with for customized look and feels. that does *not* have to be entered for you to change your password(i'm fairly sure :) McCreath_David wrote: > > Hey, Dan -- > > The staff form is currently requiring *all* the data to be entered before it > will change your password. No biggie, just so you know. > > Looking cool so far... > > David > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org > > > >ok, for those of you that have time. > > > >http://admin.evolt.org/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/ > and new & improved kentucky fried old archives: > http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/ From elfur at lists.evolt.org Wed Apr 18 11:49:17 2001 From: elfur at lists.evolt.org (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Elfur_Logad=F3ttir?=) Date: Wed Apr 18 11:49:17 2001 Subject: [thesite] anyone got a minute? References: <200104181626.KAA01402@alice.monkeyland.ca> <3ADDBF01.3FDDF815@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <01d901c0c827$b40881b0$c3fda8c0@evolt> smoooooooottthhhh, I'm pretty satisfied with our discussion yesterday, if this is what it lead to. one minor thing, you might want to have the date field's default display something like mm/dd/yy for dummies like me who write the day first :-) me be going drinking now (it is almost 17.00 my time ..), and will absolutely check this before going to bed later tonight :-) thanks dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel J. Cody" | ok, for those of you that have time. | | http://admin.evolt.org/ | From McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us Wed Apr 18 11:52:12 2001 From: McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us (McCreath_David) Date: Wed Apr 18 11:52:12 2001 Subject: [thesite] evolt jobs app Message-ID: <9627DBCB3063D311BC4B00902785C55F02A12638@EXPO1> Okay. This is really, really cool so far. I like being able to log in and see what jobs I'm working on and who else is working on it. I just can't figure out how to create a job. Once I create a job, can I assign other folks to it, or am I supposed to create a job and let people volunteer? David From elfur at lists.evolt.org Wed Apr 18 11:52:42 2001 From: elfur at lists.evolt.org (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Elfur_Logad=F3ttir?=) Date: Wed Apr 18 11:52:42 2001 Subject: [thesite] anyone got a minute? References: <200104181626.KAA01402@alice.monkeyland.ca> <3ADDBF01.3FDDF815@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <01dd01c0c828$2e723ea0$c3fda8c0@evolt> From: "Daniel J. Cody" | select your username and your password is 'evolt' without the quotes. | change your password on the 'staff' link at the top. can't change it at this point two things: * I don't have a work extension * I don't have a zip at my address. will try again later. From elfur at lists.evolt.org Wed Apr 18 11:54:42 2001 From: elfur at lists.evolt.org (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Elfur_Logad=F3ttir?=) Date: Wed Apr 18 11:54:42 2001 Subject: [thesite] anyone got a minute? References: <200104181626.KAA01402@alice.monkeyland.ca> <3ADDBF01.3FDDF815@starkmedia.com> <01dd01c0c828$2e723ea0$c3fda8c0@evolt> Message-ID: <01e901c0c828$76cbf920$c3fda8c0@evolt> From: "Elfur Logad?ttir" | From: "Daniel J. Cody" | | | select your username and your password is 'evolt' without the quotes. | | change your password on the 'staff' link at the top. | | can't change it at this point | two things: | * I don't have a work extension | * I don't have a zip at my address. not to mention, that there is no field for work phone number - duh! thanks a gazillion dan off to part? :-) *the drinking one* From michele at wordpro.on.ca Wed Apr 18 11:55:57 2001 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Wed Apr 18 11:55:57 2001 Subject: [thesite] anyone got a minute? References: <200104181626.KAA01402@alice.monkeyland.ca> <3ADDBF01.3FDDF815@starkmedia.com> <3ADDC143.533965AD@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <003901c0c828$8c443060$99099ad8@mef> Dan, Can I have access please. :) Thanks, Michele ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel J. Cody" | if you don't show up in that list(only elfur, david and dean are in the | users table right now) and want to try this out, lemme know.. From djc at starkmedia.com Wed Apr 18 11:56:57 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Wed Apr 18 11:56:57 2001 Subject: [thesite] evolt jobs app References: <9627DBCB3063D311BC4B00902785C55F02A12638@EXPO1> Message-ID: <3ADDC610.AF3DC2D1@starkmedia.com> you should be able to know david.. i gave you the wrong permissions before.. you should be good now though :) if you hit the 'jobs' category it should have some shit under that now.. try logging out and loggin back in. McCreath_David wrote: > > Okay. This is really, really cool so far. I like being able to log in and > see what jobs I'm working on and who else is working on it. > > I just can't figure out how to create a job. > > Once I create a job, can I assign other folks to it, or am I supposed to > create a job and let people volunteer? > > David > > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/ > and new & improved kentucky fried old archives: > http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/ From djc at starkmedia.com Wed Apr 18 11:58:37 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Wed Apr 18 11:58:37 2001 Subject: [thesite] evolt jobs app References: <9627DBCB3063D311BC4B00902785C55F02A12638@EXPO1> Message-ID: <3ADDC673.CD36CE6A@starkmedia.com> when yuo create a job, you can at this point assing 3 people to it. if you don't want to give any one person a specific task, you can give it an 'unassigned' user. anyone can pick up 'unassigned' jobs and work on those. McCreath_David wrote: > Once I create a job, can I assign other folks to it, or am I supposed to > create a job and let people volunteer? From djc at starkmedia.com Wed Apr 18 11:59:37 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Wed Apr 18 11:59:37 2001 Subject: [thesite] anyone got a minute? References: <200104181626.KAA01402@alice.monkeyland.ca> <3ADDBF01.3FDDF815@starkmedia.com> <3ADDC143.533965AD@starkmedia.com> <003901c0c828$8c443060$99099ad8@mef> Message-ID: <3ADDC6AF.432E6F1B@starkmedia.com> oiky, password is 'evolt' Michele Foster wrote: > > Dan, > > Can I have access please. :) > > Thanks, > > Michele > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Daniel J. Cody" > > | if you don't show up in that list(only elfur, david and dean are in the > | users table right now) and want to try this out, lemme know.. > > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/ > and new & improved kentucky fried old archives: > http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/ From djc at starkmedia.com Wed Apr 18 12:03:17 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Wed Apr 18 12:03:17 2001 Subject: [thesite] anyone got a minute? References: <200104181626.KAA01402@alice.monkeyland.ca> <3ADDBF01.3FDDF815@starkmedia.com> <01d901c0c827$b40881b0$c3fda8c0@evolt> Message-ID: <3ADDC78B.1271AF24@starkmedia.com> Elfur Logad?ttir wrote: > > smoooooooottthhhh, > I'm pretty satisfied with our discussion yesterday, if this is what it lead to. it was actually something i had in the back of my mind since austin, but never brought it up to anyone.. yesterday, I was just thinking, OK fuck this :) Here's what people need help on. this is also an extension of marlene's 'heres what needs to be done' page and david's thoughts on some admin things(polls coming soon) that he wrote about a while back. From McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us Wed Apr 18 12:11:27 2001 From: McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us (McCreath_David) Date: Wed Apr 18 12:11:27 2001 Subject: [thesite] evolt jobs app Message-ID: <9627DBCB3063D311BC4B00902785C55F02A12639@EXPO1> Cool. So I just created a new job, and assigned Adrian, Dean, and myself to it. Now when I go to "Browse Open Jobs", it shows up three times. Is that because there are three people assigned to it? Also, when I realized that I had given the job today's date as the due date, I went to edit it and it told me I needed to enter a valid number for the job. Does an update need a new letter (5-a goes to 5-b)? >-----Original Message----- >From: Daniel J. Cody > >when yuo create a job, you can at this point assing 3 people to it. > >if you don't want to give any one person a specific task, you can give >it an 'unassigned' user. anyone can pick up 'unassigned' jobs and work >on those. From djc at starkmedia.com Wed Apr 18 12:14:07 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Wed Apr 18 12:14:07 2001 Subject: [thesite] evolt jobs app References: <9627DBCB3063D311BC4B00902785C55F02A12639@EXPO1> Message-ID: <3ADDCA15.DD12A247@starkmedia.com> McCreath_David wrote: > > Cool. So I just created a new job, and assigned Adrian, Dean, and myself to > it. Now when I go to "Browse Open Jobs", it shows up three times. Is that > because there are three people assigned to it? yes.. it shows up each of those times because its 'open' for 3 people. once everyone is 'completed' with it, it wont show up > Also, when I realized that I had given the job today's date as the due date, > I went to edit it and it told me I needed to enter a valid number for the > job. Does an update need a new letter (5-a goes to 5-b)? ya, the biggest thing i'm still working on is the job numbering.. try changing it to b or changing it all together From McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us Wed Apr 18 12:23:27 2001 From: McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us (McCreath_David) Date: Wed Apr 18 12:23:27 2001 Subject: [thesite] evolt jobs app Message-ID: <9627DBCB3063D311BC4B00902785C55F02A1263A@EXPO1> >From: Daniel J. Cody > >yes.. it shows up each of those times because its 'open' for 3 people. >once everyone is 'completed' with it, it wont show up Dig. >> Also, when I realized that I had given the job today's date >>as the due date, >> I went to edit it and it told me I needed to enter a valid >number for the >> job. Does an update need a new letter (5-a goes to 5-b)? > >ya, the biggest thing i'm still working on is the job numbering.. try >changing it to b or changing it all together It barfs no matter what I do. I tried putting a "b" in the third field, I tried changing the number altogether, and this is the error that I'm getting: Error Occurred While Processing Request Error Diagnostic Information An error occurred while evaluating the expression: #attributes.ae# Error near line 78, column 93. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Error resolving parameter ATTRIBUTES.AE ColdFusion was unable to determine the value of the parameter. This problem is very likely due to the fact that either: You have misspelled the parameter name, or You have not specified a QUERY attribute for a CFOUTPUT, CFMAIL, or CFTABLE tag. The error occurred while processing an element with a general identifier of (#attributes.ae#), occupying document position (78:92) to (78:106). Date/Time: Wed Apr 18 12:19:33 2001 Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT 5.0) Remote Address: 209.165.171.195 HTTP Referer: http://admin.evolt.org/jobs/?action=Edit&job_id=40118 From michele at wordpro.on.ca Wed Apr 18 12:32:22 2001 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Wed Apr 18 12:32:22 2001 Subject: [thesite] anyone got a minute? References: <200104181626.KAA01402@alice.monkeyland.ca> <3ADDBF01.3FDDF815@starkmedia.com> <3ADDC143.533965AD@starkmedia.com> <003901c0c828$8c443060$99099ad8@mef> <3ADDC6AF.432E6F1B@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <006d01c0c82d$a6c6bde0$99099ad8@mef> Dan, My first thought.. this kicks ASS!!! What a great application. Must say, I'm overwhelmed. It's very impressive. Geeze, if I had people working for me, I'd beg to have the code to use for my business. Anyway, I think it will take a little bit of getting used too, but its awesome. Can you customize it? Specifically, allow the job number to be auto-assigned, and forget the sequence? But, the sequence might very well be helpful if we want to assign sub-tasks to one larger job(project). Though I'd rather they be entered as unique jobs. We just need to establish some "rules/guidelines" so that everyone knows what's up. Job Owner/Production Owner is defaulting to you. Can that change so that whoever enters the job can be the owner? Not sure we need both fields. Oh, I see the created/modified field now. So, perhaps the both of these fields can be eliminated. I like that, I just got an email telling me that job had been updated. LOL Can you edit the options available under Status? Delete all the "waiting" items. I don't think they are required. IOW, simplify. Under clients, can we use that field to indicate more than just evolt.org, for example w.e.o, l.e.o, m.e.o, b.e.o, MG, tagwear, courseware, f.e.o etc. This way we can search for jobs specifically relating to tagwear, etc. Under tasks, can you add, Review/Approval? Ok, that's it for me (for now). This is bloody awesome. Thanks a million for the efforts put into this Dan. I for one love it! Michele From McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us Wed Apr 18 12:33:17 2001 From: McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us (McCreath_David) Date: Wed Apr 18 12:33:17 2001 Subject: [thesite] job numbering Message-ID: <9627DBCB3063D311BC4B00902785C55F02A1263B@EXPO1> Dan -- I think it's because I screwed up the job number badly enough that it's breaking. Heh. I just created a new job and I can edit that one. And I was able to delete job that was giving me problems. I manually gave the job a number of 5-a (I can't remember why now) in the second field and did nothing in the third field. Is there a way to auto-increment that second field in addition to the third field? David From bobd at members.evolt.org Wed Apr 18 12:55:13 2001 From: bobd at members.evolt.org (Bob Davis) Date: Wed Apr 18 12:55:13 2001 Subject: [thesite] anyone got a minute? In-Reply-To: <3ADDC143.533965AD@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <200104181756.f3IHuFx04105@chmls05.mediaone.net> Sorry - little late to chime in, but I can help. You wanna add me to the list? I have the other info to get in. Thanks Dan. bob On Wednesday, April 18, 2001, at 12:30 PM, Daniel J. Cody wrote: > if you don't show up in that list(only elfur, david and dean are in the > users table right now) and want to try this out, lemme know.. -- bob davis bobd at members.evolt.org From mwarden at odyssey-design.com Wed Apr 18 12:59:28 2001 From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Wed Apr 18 12:59:28 2001 Subject: [thesite] anyone got a minute? References: <200104181626.KAA01402@alice.monkeyland.ca> <3ADDBF01.3FDDF815@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <00a801c0c831$467ffec0$5703020a@mwarden> > ok, for those of you that have time. > > http://admin.evolt.org/ > > select your username and your password is 'evolt' without the quotes. > change your password on the 'staff' link at the top. My name wasn't on there, but I went in anyway. I'm nosy... Got this when clicking "Reference": Error Occurred While Processing Request Error Diagnostic Information Template file not found. HTTP/1.0 404 Object Not Found Note: If you wish to use an absolute template path (e.g. TEMPLATE="/mypath/index.cfm") with CFINCLUDE then you must create a mapping for the path using the ColdFusion Administrator. Using relative paths (e.g. TEMPLATE="index.cfm" or TEMPLATE="../index.cfm") does not require the creation of any special mappings. It is therefore recommended that you use relative paths with CFINCLUDE whenever possible. The error occurred while processing an element with a general identifier of (CFINCLUDE), occupying document position (46:6) to (46:51). Date/Time: Wed Apr 18 12:56:16 2001 Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows NT 5.0) Remote Address: 63.91.117.25 HTTP Referer: http://admin.evolt.org/employees/ Please inform the site administrator that this error has occurred (be sure to include the contents of this page in your message to the administrator). From mwarden at odyssey-design.com Wed Apr 18 13:03:23 2001 From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Wed Apr 18 13:03:23 2001 Subject: [thesite] gimme access (was: anyone got a minute?) References: <200104181626.KAA01402@alice.monkeyland.ca> <3ADDBF01.3FDDF815@starkmedia.com> <3ADDC143.533965AD@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <00ce01c0c831$fe3edfe0$5703020a@mwarden> > if you don't show up in that list(only elfur, david and dean are in the > users table right now) and want to try this out, lemme know.. Ya, so I don't have to hijack mishka's login, can I have my own ;-) -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From djc at starkmedia.com Wed Apr 18 13:11:43 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Wed Apr 18 13:11:43 2001 Subject: [thesite] anyone got a minute? References: <200104181626.KAA01402@alice.monkeyland.ca> <3ADDBF01.3FDDF815@starkmedia.com> <3ADDC143.533965AD@starkmedia.com> <003901c0c828$8c443060$99099ad8@mef> <3ADDC6AF.432E6F1B@starkmedia.com> <006d01c0c82d$a6c6bde0$99099ad8@mef> Message-ID: <3ADDD792.446AE30@starkmedia.com> Michele Foster wrote: > My first thought.. this kicks ASS!!! > > What a great application. > > Must say, I'm overwhelmed. It's very impressive. Geeze, if I had people > working for me, I'd beg to have the code to use for my business. thanks :) maybe we'll make money off it someday ;) > Anyway, I think it will take a little bit of getting used too, but its > awesome. ya, its gonna take a bit to get aquinted with, but once its in place.. wow. we'll be effiecent and stuff :) > Can you customize it? Specifically, allow the job number to be > auto-assigned, and forget the sequence? But, the sequence might very well > be helpful if we want to assign sub-tasks to one larger job(project). > Though I'd rather they be entered as unique jobs. We just need to establish > some "rules/guidelines" so that everyone knows what's up. i'll work on the sequence, good idea. as for the whole job number thing: If you're creating a new job, it should fill in the first box for you based on the client you choose from the drop box on the left(evolt is 02 for example). the next box is blank, thats the job number. i'll work on auto-sequencing this. the next box is a letter.. that way you can have 'revisions' of each job.. does that make sense? when you *edit* a job, you shouldn't need to change anything except the letter, and only do that if you want a new 'revision' for that job. > Job Owner/Production Owner is defaulting to you. Can that change so that > whoever enters the job can be the owner? Not sure we need both fields. Oh, > I see the created/modified field now. So, perhaps the both of these fields > can be eliminated. that should be fixed.. > I like that, I just got an email telling me that job had been updated. LOL ya, its doing that for now, we'll see how long it lasts > Can you edit the options available under Status? Delete all the "waiting" > items. I don't think they are required. IOW, simplify. done. > Under clients, can we use that field to indicate more than just evolt.org, > for example w.e.o, l.e.o, m.e.o, b.e.o, MG, tagwear, courseware, f.e.o etc. > This way we can search for jobs specifically relating to tagwear, etc. yes, exactly.. ijust added a members.evolt.org 'client' so you can get a feel for that.. > Under tasks, can you add, Review/Approval? not 100% sure what ya mean.. you guys are seeing stuff from the 'highest' level too.. there is another level of user(say someone from thesite that volunteers to do something) that can only view their tasks, and can't create new tasks.. so there are different levels basically.. maybe i'll create a generic regular user so you can see what the view looks like from there > Ok, that's it for me (for now). This is bloody awesome. Thanks a million > for the efforts put into this Dan. I for one love it! good, i see you have that letterhead slated for tomorrow ;) hopefully this will limit the amount of ideas and work that 'falls through the cracks' here and on admin :) From djc at starkmedia.com Wed Apr 18 13:12:43 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Wed Apr 18 13:12:43 2001 Subject: [thesite] job numbering References: <9627DBCB3063D311BC4B00902785C55F02A1263B@EXPO1> Message-ID: <3ADDD7CD.DF69A627@starkmedia.com> McCreath_David wrote: > > Dan -- > > I think it's because I screwed up the job number badly enough that it's > breaking. Heh. I just created a new job and I can edit that one. And I was > able to delete job that was giving me problems. > > I manually gave the job a number of 5-a (I can't remember why now) in the > second field and did nothing in the third field. > > Is there a way to auto-increment that second field in addition to the third > field? if you're editing a job, don't change the ID(i'll make it so you can't latter).. and i'll work on having an autosequence for the jobID :) From djc at starkmedia.com Wed Apr 18 13:22:13 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Wed Apr 18 13:22:13 2001 Subject: [thesite] gimme access (was: anyone got a minute?) References: <200104181626.KAA01402@alice.monkeyland.ca> <3ADDBF01.3FDDF815@starkmedia.com> <3ADDC143.533965AD@starkmedia.com> <00ce01c0c831$fe3edfe0$5703020a@mwarden> Message-ID: <3ADDDA0A.D550C4C2@starkmedia.com> ok, matt and bob you guys are good From djc at starkmedia.com Wed Apr 18 13:22:38 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Wed Apr 18 13:22:38 2001 Subject: [thesite] anyone got a minute? References: <200104181626.KAA01402@alice.monkeyland.ca> <3ADDBF01.3FDDF815@starkmedia.com> <00a801c0c831$467ffec0$5703020a@mwarden> Message-ID: <3ADDDA22.86801EF7@starkmedia.com> forgot to mention the 'reference' section isn't working yet :) "Warden, Matt" wrote: > > > ok, for those of you that have time. > > > > http://admin.evolt.org/ > > > > select your username and your password is 'evolt' without the quotes. > > change your password on the 'staff' link at the top. > > My name wasn't on there, but I went in anyway. I'm nosy... > > Got this when clicking "Reference": From michele at wordpro.on.ca Wed Apr 18 13:31:08 2001 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Wed Apr 18 13:31:08 2001 Subject: [thesite] anyone got a minute? References: <200104181626.KAA01402@alice.monkeyland.ca> <3ADDBF01.3FDDF815@starkmedia.com> <3ADDC143.533965AD@starkmedia.com> <003901c0c828$8c443060$99099ad8@mef> <3ADDC6AF.432E6F1B@starkmedia.com> <006d01c0c82d$a6c6bde0$99099ad8@mef> <3ADDD792.446AE30@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <009e01c0c835$daa2d420$99099ad8@mef> Dan, What I meant was, Under Tasks, add a task of "Final Review/Approval". This will probably always be the person the created the job. Final sign-off, if ya like. For example, the letterhead, you'll have final review/approval on it. :) Workstation/Server maintenance?? Do we need/want this option? Another one that may be good is something to signify who moves code from test to live site. Hmm.. what should this be called? Site Implementation ? again, this is the person that signs-off on the project. Also maybe add Testing (De-bugging). More rambling than anything else here. Michele | good, i see you have that letterhead slated for tomorrow ;) hopefully | this will limit the amount of ideas and work that 'falls through the | cracks' here and on admin Yeah, maybe I'll even get it done a day early too. Do I get bonus points?? From djc at starkmedia.com Wed Apr 18 13:31:15 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Wed Apr 18 13:31:15 2001 Subject: [thesite] joe developer joins the ranks.. Message-ID: <3ADDDC26.F773D6A7@starkmedia.com> for those of you that just want to browse around this thing we've been chatting about all day, head to admin.evolt.org and sign in with the joe developer username. password is evolt i have a task assigned to joe, you can check it out and stuff.. joe is a user of level '1' which means he can only view stuff on the admin site not edit it(except the status of jobs assigned to him) some of you others should check this out too to see what the view from regular developer land looks like .djc. From judi at frognet.net Wed Apr 18 13:38:29 2001 From: judi at frognet.net (Judith Taylor) Date: Wed Apr 18 13:38:29 2001 Subject: [thesite] gimme access (was: anyone got a minute?) In-Reply-To: <00ce01c0c831$fe3edfe0$5703020a@mwarden> References: <200104181626.KAA01402@alice.monkeyland.ca> <3ADDBF01.3FDDF815@starkmedia.com> <3ADDC143.533965AD@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010418143837.00a29d90@mail.frognet.net> I'm available to help out a bit.....wherever I can....if you would like to give me a login as well... Judi Warden, Matt put into words: > > if you don't show up in that list(only elfur, david and dean are in the > > users table right now) and want to try this out, lemme know.. > >Ya, so I don't have to hijack mishka's login, can I have my own ;-) Judith Taylor ICQ: 67460562 Freelance ColdFusion Developer - Athens, OH Friends don't let friends code before coffee. From dsmah at home.com Wed Apr 18 13:38:44 2001 From: dsmah at home.com (Dean Mah) Date: Wed Apr 18 13:38:44 2001 Subject: [thesite] anyone got a minute? In-Reply-To: <3ADDBF01.3FDDF815@starkmedia.com> from "Daniel J. Cody" at Apr 18, 2001 11:21:21 AM Message-ID: <200104181843.MAA01712@alice.monkeyland.ca> Cool. - Anything referencing /timesheet/ comes up with permission denied. - Reference link doesn't work. - Don't seem to be able to edit events outside of the current month. I put an event in for my birthday in Aug and I can't edit or delete it. Dean Daniel J. Cody writes: > ok, for those of you that have time. > > http://admin.evolt.org/ > > select your username and your password is 'evolt' without the quotes. > change your password on the 'staff' link at the top. > > its very rough at this point because I've basically wrote this from > scratch in about 6 hours. > > input some jobs, add some events, lemme knwo what breaks. From bobd at members.evolt.org Wed Apr 18 13:49:39 2001 From: bobd at members.evolt.org (Bob Davis) Date: Wed Apr 18 13:49:39 2001 Subject: [thesite] anyone got a minute? In-Reply-To: <009e01c0c835$daa2d420$99099ad8@mef> Message-ID: <200104181850.f3IIoex09804@chmls05.mediaone.net> On Wednesday, April 18, 2001, at 02:31 PM, Michele Foster wrote: > What I meant was, Under Tasks, add a task of "Final Review/Approval". > This > will probably always be the person the created the job. Final > sign-off, if > ya like. For example, the letterhead, you'll have final > review/approval on > it. :) > I was just going to suggest that there be some indication of who assigned a given task - Call it the task owner or some such thing. That person would have permissions on that task to approve/accept/whatever. Have you ever seen RT? It's a PHP bug tracking system (look in sourceforge or freshmeat - I found it at one of them). It's cool. Whenever you are assigned something, it kicks mail to you with the info - task outline, owner, other team members, etc. Worth looking at. > Workstation/Server maintenance?? Do we need/want this option? > Yeah, we do. These things come up. > Another one that may be good is something to signify who moves code from > test to live site. Hmm.. what should this be called? Site > Implementation ? > again, this is the person that signs-off on the project. > Not necessarily the one that signs off on the project. Having the ability to "own" a project doesn't have to mean that you are able to move stuff to the live site. I'd hate to limit the owners to only those folks who were able to do that. > Also maybe add Testing (De-bugging). Yup. Good one. In some of the error catching, I lost some of the input I had given. I entered 2020 hours for Dan on a project (vacation time) and it didn't stick when the errors came up. For job numbers, wouldn't it be easier to just do max(jobId)+1? I understand about having the ability to edit it for making sub-jobs, but I think a default value would be cool. It would give it a meaningful number. bob -- bob davis bobd at members.evolt.org From djc at starkmedia.com Wed Apr 18 13:51:14 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Wed Apr 18 13:51:14 2001 Subject: [thesite] gimme access (was: anyone got a minute?) References: <200104181626.KAA01402@alice.monkeyland.ca> <3ADDBF01.3FDDF815@starkmedia.com> <3ADDC143.533965AD@starkmedia.com> <5.0.2.1.2.20010418143837.00a29d90@mail.frognet.net> Message-ID: <3ADDE0D3.99ECA85C@starkmedia.com> ok judith you're in and good to go... password is evolt :) thanks for volunteering!! Judith Taylor wrote: > > > I'm available to help out a bit.....wherever I can....if you would like to > give me a login as well... > > Judi > > Warden, Matt put into words: > > > if you don't show up in that list(only elfur, david and dean are in the > > > users table right now) and want to try this out, lemme know.. > > > >Ya, so I don't have to hijack mishka's login, can I have my own ;-) > > Judith Taylor > ICQ: 67460562 > Freelance ColdFusion Developer - Athens, OH > > Friends don't let friends code before coffee. > > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/ > and new & improved kentucky fried old archives: > http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/ From djc at starkmedia.com Wed Apr 18 13:51:59 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Wed Apr 18 13:51:59 2001 Subject: [thesite] anyone got a minute? References: <200104181843.MAA01712@alice.monkeyland.ca> Message-ID: <3ADDE103.C0FF87B9@starkmedia.com> Dean Mah wrote: > > Cool. > > - Anything referencing /timesheet/ comes up with permission denied. ya, reserved for future use so we can track how much time we may have spent on a certain project > - Reference link doesn't work. future use > - Don't seem to be able to edit events outside of the current month. > I put an event in for my birthday in Aug and I can't edit or delete > it. ahh.. noted. thanks for the feedback.. any other thoughts? From judi at frognet.net Wed Apr 18 14:00:34 2001 From: judi at frognet.net (Judith Taylor) Date: Wed Apr 18 14:00:34 2001 Subject: [thesite] adding contacts Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010418145903.009d1460@mail.frognet.net> Was poking around and decided to try adding a contact. If you leave the email field empty and try to add, you end up with: attributes.errors = "#attributes.error# E-Mail Address" Error near line 16, column 8. Judith Taylor ICQ: 67460562 Freelance ColdFusion Developer - Athens, OH Friends don't let friends code before coffee. From bobd at members.evolt.org Wed Apr 18 14:01:09 2001 From: bobd at members.evolt.org (Bob Davis) Date: Wed Apr 18 14:01:09 2001 Subject: [thesite] anyone got a minute? In-Reply-To: <200104181843.MAA01712@alice.monkeyland.ca> Message-ID: <200104181902.f3IJ28826732@chmls06.mediaone.net> On Wednesday, April 18, 2001, at 02:43 PM, Dean Mah wrote: > - Don't seem to be able to edit events outside of the current month. > I put an event in for my birthday in Aug and I can't edit or delete > it. Looks like there needs to be an attribute passed when you hit "edit event" in any month other than current to let the app know where you are. So, you'd go to the month you need to edit, hit "edit event" and get a URL something like: http://admin.evolt.org/?month=5&year=2001&action=edit Dig? Is that something that will work? Hitting edit currently kicks you back to the current month, and hitting >> kills the edit state. bob -- bob davis bobd at members.evolt.org From McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us Wed Apr 18 16:38:50 2001 From: McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us (McCreath_David) Date: Wed Apr 18 16:38:50 2001 Subject: [thesite] job coolness Message-ID: <9627DBCB3063D311BC4B00902785C55F02A12640@EXPO1> Just a few stray thoughts: 1) Dan, is it possible to append the task to the job name in the "Browse Open Jobs"? So the window would show: 0002-444-a: Start repairs on the Castle Swamp - Project Management 0002-444-a: Start repairs on the Castle Swamp - Vacation 0002-444-a: Start repairs on the Castle Swamp - Debugging Or append the name of the person who has the task. 2) On the "Current Jobs" table and the "Completed Jobs" table, clicking on "job number" actually sorts by "client name". It looks like it's just passing the wrong value to the query string. 3) How did Seth end up with Judith's contact info? :) Dan, this is just kicking ass. I'm really impressed. Let us know if you need more hands on code clean up or something, okay? Are we going to be able to invite people to sign up for work this way? Like send an announcement to thesite or thelist: "Hey, I'm working on the new project for evolt and I need some production help. If you're interested, head over to http://projects.evolt.org/ and sign up." And then they get to register? Or is it going to be more of a one on one invitational thing? David From djc at starkmedia.com Wed Apr 18 17:50:06 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Wed Apr 18 17:50:06 2001 Subject: [thesite] job coolness References: <9627DBCB3063D311BC4B00902785C55F02A12640@EXPO1> Message-ID: <3ADE18CB.CE9D2B0E@starkmedia.com> McCreath_David wrote: > > Just a few stray thoughts: > > 1) Dan, is it possible to append the task to the job name in the "Browse > Open Jobs"? So the window would show: sure.. > 2) On the "Current Jobs" table and the "Completed Jobs" table, clicking on > "job number" actually sorts by "client name". It looks like it's just > passing the wrong value to the query string. oops :) > 3) How did Seth end up with Judith's contact info? :) that was my fault.. i added seth incorrectly to the application(it needs a name!!!) oops.. > Dan, this is just kicking ass. I'm really impressed. Let us know if you need > more hands on code clean up or something, okay? thanks alot.. i can't tell you how much i think this will help admin and thesite stay on task. > Are we going to be able to invite people to sign up for work this way? Like > send an announcement to thesite or thelist: > > "Hey, I'm working on the new project for evolt and I need some production > help. If you're interested, head over to http://projects.evolt.org/ and sign > up." totally. now if someone volunteers, we can hold them to it :) > And then they get to register? Or is it going to be more of a one on one > invitational thing? working on that today.. more of the 'admin' features of the thing.. up till tonite, i've been adding everyone to the database by hand.. keep on playing around if you can.. i got busy today trying to get oracle working here so Matt woulnd't have problems with MySQL and so we could get test.evolt.org back ;) thanks bunches everyone! From michele at wordpro.on.ca Wed Apr 18 18:01:47 2001 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Wed Apr 18 18:01:47 2001 Subject: [thesite] Name that App.... References: <9627DBCB3063D311BC4B00902785C55F02A12640@EXPO1> <3ADE18CB.CE9D2B0E@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <00d701c0c85b$ae6975a0$99099ad8@mef> Evolt Tasker *game time .. where's the broom? * Michele From McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us Wed Apr 18 18:47:46 2001 From: McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us (McCreath_David) Date: Wed Apr 18 18:47:46 2001 Subject: [thesite] RE: [xx] Warning: could not send message for past 4 hours Message-ID: <9627DBCB3063D311BC4B00902785C55F02A12642@EXPO1> >From: Daniel J. Cody > >david, can you change your email addy in the new thing? fix0red! >(we need a name for it too) How's about ... um ... spewing out my head quickly ... Hydra - there are always 7 more waiting if one drops off (okay, maybe that's a little optimistic, but that's my m.o.) Locus - erm... well, it will sort of become the locus evolt's development activity Pioughd - from p.e.o., from projects.evolt.org and also the name of a Butthole Surfer's album Central Services - from "Brazil" ech... not crazy about any of those, but sometimes one person's bad idea will spur another person's good idea, right? [ crosses fingers ] David From McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us Wed Apr 18 18:55:51 2001 From: McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us (McCreath_David) Date: Wed Apr 18 18:55:51 2001 Subject: [thesite] job coolness Message-ID: <9627DBCB3063D311BC4B00902785C55F02A12643@EXPO1> >From: Daniel J. Cody > >keep on playing around if you can.. I noticed one other thing. When you log out, the querystring stays intact, so instead of http://admin.evolt.org/, you get http://admin.evolt.org/thissection/?action=Logout, so if you log back in immediately, you're taken to "thissection" instead of the homepage (calendar). Again, hardly a big deal, but is it just a matter of a redirect or something? Or clearing out the query string when ever you log out? >i got busy today trying to get oracle working here so Matt >woulnd't have problems with MySQL and so we >could get test.evolt.org back ;) Glad test is coming back. Coolio David From michele at wordpro.on.ca Wed Apr 18 19:05:01 2001 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Wed Apr 18 19:05:01 2001 Subject: [thesite] RE: [xx] Warning: could not send message for past 4 hours References: <9627DBCB3063D311BC4B00902785C55F02A12642@EXPO1> Message-ID: <00ec01c0c864$81e7a2a0$99099ad8@mef> David, None really jump out at me either. What did you think of Evolt Tasker, hereinafter referred to as TheTasker? or TheWhipper (inspired thanks to Elfur)? or DansKickAssApp - TheDKAA, the DAKIAAP ? Hmm.. still thinking here. Michele ----- Original Message ----- From: "McCreath_David" | Hydra - there are always 7 more waiting if one drops off (okay, maybe that's | a little optimistic, but that's my m.o.) | | Locus - erm... well, it will sort of become the locus evolt's development | activity | | Pioughd - from p.e.o., from projects.evolt.org and also the name of a | Butthole Surfer's album | | Central Services - from "Brazil" From joshua at alphashop.net Wed Apr 18 19:14:11 2001 From: joshua at alphashop.net (Joshua Olson) Date: Wed Apr 18 19:14:11 2001 Subject: [thesite] RE: [xx] Warning: could not send message for past 4 hours In-Reply-To: <00ec01c0c864$81e7a2a0$99099ad8@mef> Message-ID: Categorized Chronological Efforts Management System Application (with built-in login security) cc:EMSA (wbils) Hmmm... maybe not -joshua From mwarden at odyssey-design.com Wed Apr 18 19:21:16 2001 From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Wed Apr 18 19:21:16 2001 Subject: [thesite] app name References: Message-ID: <03b101c0c866$c1ce5c40$5703020a@mwarden> HYDA Here's your damn app. or, a modified version: HYFA [you figger it out] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Olson" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 8:15 PM Subject: RE: [thesite] RE: [xx] Warning: could not send message for past 4 hours > Categorized Chronological Efforts Management System Application (with > built-in login security) > > cc:EMSA (wbils) > > Hmmm... maybe not From michele at wordpro.on.ca Wed Apr 18 19:23:26 2001 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Wed Apr 18 19:23:26 2001 Subject: [thesite] RE: [xx] Warning: could not send message for past 4 hours References: Message-ID: <010301c0c867$15acb280$99099ad8@mef> I like TheEMSA (or even theEMS) .. effort management system application TheCEMA - chronological efforts management system TheTaskApp Michele ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Olson" | Categorized Chronological Efforts Management System Application (with | built-in login security) | | cc:EMSA (wbils) | From McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us Wed Apr 18 19:26:16 2001 From: McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us (McCreath_David) Date: Wed Apr 18 19:26:16 2001 Subject: name game (was : RE: [thesite] RE: [xx] Warning: could not send m essage for past 4 hours) Message-ID: <9627DBCB3063D311BC4B00902785C55F02A12645@EXPO1> >From: Joshua Olson > >Categorized Chronological Efforts Management System Application (with >built-in login security) > >cc:EMSA (wbils) oooo... how... cryptic. I like it. >From: Michele Foster > >What did you think of Evolt Tasker, hereinafter referred to as TheTasker? eh.. I'd rather stay with evolt naming conventions and call it 'thetasks'. But if we're going to go that way, then I would prefer 'theprojects', because the tasks are just a small part of it. >or TheWhipper (inspired thanks to Elfur)? Yeah, but the app doesn't actually do the whipping does it? >or DansKickAssApp - TheDKAA, the DAKIAAP ? I think that would actually be DS(econd)KAA, the first being MajorGumbo. :) Geez this is like trying to name a band. "Dude, 'Eat My Scabs' is the *only* name for this band!" ;) Ummmm... From michele at wordpro.on.ca Wed Apr 18 19:44:11 2001 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Wed Apr 18 19:44:11 2001 Subject: name game (was : RE: [thesite] RE: [xx] Warning: could not send message for past 4 hours) References: <9627DBCB3063D311BC4B00902785C55F02A12645@EXPO1> Message-ID: <010c01c0c869$fba6ae60$99099ad8@mef> David, | eh.. I'd rather stay with evolt naming conventions and call it 'thetasks'. | But if we're going to go that way, then I would prefer 'theprojects', | because the tasks are just a small part of it. I like em both, I like evolt's naming conventions. But, I'm sure eventually we'll come across something that's just not going to fit (actually, tagwear is unique). theprojects sounds a bit too big, IMO. thetasks theprojects thetodolist theitems theinitiatives theplans thejobs (conflict with thesite?) theundertakings themission theendeavour theplan (gotta love thesaurus) (damn, where's our polling app?) | >or TheWhipper (inspired thanks to Elfur)? | | Yeah, but the app doesn't actually do the whipping does it? No .. true .. thewhipper get it done now app | Geez this is like trying to name a band. "Dude, 'Eat My Scabs' is the *only* | name for this band!" ;) ewwwwwwwwwwww *that's disgusting!!* P.S. Toronto's Winning .. looking for my broom Michele From india_design at yahoo.com Thu Apr 19 04:14:18 2001 From: india_design at yahoo.com (Ashish G) Date: Thu Apr 19 04:14:18 2001 Subject: [thesite] Testing of admin Message-ID: <20010419091524.96088.qmail@web12902.mail.yahoo.com> I was in this place, http://admin.evolt.org/jobs/?action=Archives&month=7&year=2001&client_id=1439 and then clicked on the 'Reference' link at the top. Got a 404 error - detailed below ------------------------------------- Error Diagnostic Information Template file not found. HTTP/1.0 404 Object Not Found Note: If you wish to use an absolute template path (e.g. TEMPLATE="/mypath/index.cfm") with CFINCLUDE then you must create a mapping for the path using the ColdFusion Administrator. Using relative paths (e.g. TEMPLATE="index.cfm" or TEMPLATE="../index.cfm") does not require the creation of any special mappings. It is therefore recommended that you use relative paths with CFINCLUDE whenever possible. The error occurred while processing an element with a general identifier of (CFINCLUDE), occupying document position (46:6) to (46:51). Date/Time: Thu Apr 19 03:54:01 2001 Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT 4.0; COM+ 1.0.2204) Remote Address: 63.207.108.34 HTTP Referer: http://admin.evolt.org/jobs/?action=Archives&month=7&year=2001&client_id=1439 Please inform the site administrator that this error has occurred (be sure to include the contents of this page in your message to the administrator). --------------------------------------- URL here is http://admin.evolt.org/docs/ Using NT4/SP6 with IE5.5 Regards, Ashish __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From martin.p.burns at uk.pwcglobal.com Thu Apr 19 05:25:54 2001 From: martin.p.burns at uk.pwcglobal.com (martin.p.burns at uk.pwcglobal.com) Date: Thu Apr 19 05:25:54 2001 Subject: [thesite] comments & grrs Message-ID: Memo from Martin P Burns of PricewaterhouseCoopers -------------------- Start of message text -------------------- Take a look @ http://evolt.org/article/foo/17/9769/index.html#comment9805 This needs deleting, cos it's replaced below (yeah, the author just didn't see the "edit" link). I don't see the link any more to delete a comment, so tried grr. This didn't take me to the old (Jan) 'grr' form where members could complain about and explain an issue with a comment. So the number of 'grrs' didn't update, and an email didn't get sent out to notify admin. Cheers Martin --------------------- End of message text -------------------- The principal place of business of PricewaterhouseCoopers and its associate partnerships is 1 Embankment Place, London WC2N 6NN where lists of the partners' names are available for inspection. All partners in the associate partnerships are authorised to conduct business as agents of, and all contracts for services to clients are with, PricewaterhouseCoopers. The UK firm of PricewaterhouseCoopers is authorised by the Institute of Chartered Accountants in England and Wales to carry on investment business. PricewaterhouseCoopers is a member of the world-wide PricewaterhouseCoopers organisation. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From djc at starkmedia.com Thu Apr 19 09:51:26 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Thu Apr 19 09:51:26 2001 Subject: [thesite] comments & grrs References: Message-ID: <3ADEFA15.5B9A0E2E@starkmedia.com> deleted.. martin.p.burns at uk.pwcglobal.com wrote: > > Memo from Martin P Burns of PricewaterhouseCoopers > > -------------------- Start of message text -------------------- > > Take a look @ > http://evolt.org/article/foo/17/9769/index.html#comment9805 > > This needs deleting, cos it's replaced below > (yeah, the author just didn't see the "edit" link). > > I don't see the link any more to delete a comment, so tried > grr. This didn't take me to the old (Jan) 'grr' form where members > could complain about and explain an issue with a comment. So > the number of 'grrs' didn't update, and an email didn't get sent > out to notify admin. From djc at starkmedia.com Thu Apr 19 15:44:53 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Thu Apr 19 15:44:53 2001 Subject: [thesite] members.evolt.org accounts.. Message-ID: <3ADF4CE2.389ADCF8@starkmedia.com> Hola - If any of you are interested in having a members.evolt.org account(see http://members.evolt.org for details) please sign up for one within the next 2 days.. I'm going to stop accepting submissions for accounts after this weekend probably, and I want to make sure that any hard core evolters(like those of you that inhabit these particular lists) get an account before i do shut it down. With well over 400 accounts already on that box, and around 2-3Gb of data a *day* its starting to chew up more resources than it should or was ever intended to. I really hate to shut it down to new users, but at this rate, it'll be using the entire starkmedia T-1 by late may. That, and its also starting to have a noticable affect on the box, which also runs our mailing lists and browser archive... I'm working a couple hosting providers here in town for free bandwidth, but its not a sure thing.. So, untill that happens and I can get some equipment for another m.e.o box, its getting capped.. Probably more info than anyone wanted :) anyways, get an account while you can.. thankie .djc. From lists at icongarden.com Thu Apr 19 18:37:30 2001 From: lists at icongarden.com (Jacob Stetser) Date: Thu Apr 19 18:37:30 2001 Subject: [thesite] members.evolt.org accounts.. In-Reply-To: <3ADF4CE2.389ADCF8@starkmedia.com> References: <3ADF4CE2.389ADCF8@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: Speaking of which, my account (jms) doesn't seem to be working for me. I cain't FTP in :( Who all can fix me up? Jake >Hola - > >If any of you are interested in having a members.evolt.org account(see >http://members.evolt.org for details) please sign up for one within the >next 2 days.. I'm going to stop accepting submissions for accounts after >this weekend probably, and I want to make sure that any hard core >evolters(like those of you that inhabit these particular lists) get an >account before i do shut it down. -- Jacob Stetser icongarden: Making good ideas grow http://icongarden.com/ From djc at starkmedia.com Fri Apr 20 09:39:54 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Fri Apr 20 09:39:54 2001 Subject: [thesite] members.evolt.org accounts.. References: <3ADF4CE2.389ADCF8@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <3AE04913.CDD1F000@starkmedia.com> jacob - can you email me offlist with your password please? I'll reset it for you :) .djc. Jacob Stetser wrote: > > Speaking of which, my account (jms) doesn't seem to be working for > me. I cain't FTP in :( Who all can fix me up? > > Jake > > >Hola - > > > >If any of you are interested in having a members.evolt.org account(see > >http://members.evolt.org for details) please sign up for one within the > >next 2 days.. I'm going to stop accepting submissions for accounts after > >this weekend probably, and I want to make sure that any hard core > >evolters(like those of you that inhabit these particular lists) get an > >account before i do shut it down. From elfur at lists.evolt.org Fri Apr 20 11:29:22 2001 From: elfur at lists.evolt.org (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Elfur_Logad=F3ttir?=) Date: Fri Apr 20 11:29:22 2001 Subject: [thesite] staff app (on the new and sexy admin.evolt.org :-) Message-ID: <08b801c0c9b7$4d332710$c3fda8c0@evolt> due to level of blood in my alcohol last wednesday, when testing the staff part of the new administration tool (which rocks, btw), i'm pretty sure that my comments didn't quite have the effect necessary for consideration, so i thought i'd point them out again: * because of my internationalisation (and stubbornness) i can't change my registration (i won't give bogus info :-) the reason is: - I have my own phone number at work - but no field to put it in - I have no work extension - there is no zip code in iceland - and even if i "cheated" and put the number of the city there, it doesn't validate and while I could just give bogus info and get my password changed, I won't because I want it working correctly :-) and I'm patient enough to wait for that. thanks dan for this rocking product now we don't have to *get rocked* - we already are :-) *the strange one* From McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us Fri Apr 20 11:43:48 2001 From: McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us (McCreath_David) Date: Fri Apr 20 11:43:48 2001 Subject: [thesite] staff app suggestion Message-ID: <9627DBCB3063D311BC4B00902785C55F02A12654@EXPO1> Hey, Dan -- A thought occurred to me... can the app send out a reminder message to project team members a couple of days before due dates? Are you at the point that you need or want more hands on the code? David From djc at starkmedia.com Fri Apr 20 11:47:28 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Fri Apr 20 11:47:28 2001 Subject: [thesite] staff app suggestion References: <9627DBCB3063D311BC4B00902785C55F02A12654@EXPO1> Message-ID: <3AE066FB.E40EEFC4@starkmedia.com> McCreath_David wrote: > > Hey, Dan -- > > A thought occurred to me... can the app send out a reminder message to > project team members a couple of days before due dates? sure, i can put that in the LOTTD .. i'll get most of the things you guys mentioned wed night and yesterday implemented today > Are you at the point that you need or want more hands on the code? not just yet :) From martin at members.evolt.org Fri Apr 20 14:33:10 2001 From: martin at members.evolt.org (martin at members.evolt.org) Date: Fri Apr 20 14:33:10 2001 Subject: [thesite] comments & grrs In-Reply-To: <3ADEFA15.5B9A0E2E@starkmedia.com> References: Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010420202619.01ee59b0@members.evolt.org> At 09:45 19/04/01 -0500, Daniel J. Cody wrote: >deleted.. > >martin.p.burns at uk.pwcglobal.com wrote: > > > > Memo from Martin P Burns of PricewaterhouseCoopers > > Take a look @ > > http://evolt.org/article/foo/17/9769/index.html#comment9805 > > > > This needs deleting, cos it's replaced below > > (yeah, the author just didn't see the "edit" link). Ta Cheers Martin From martin at members.evolt.org Fri Apr 20 15:46:27 2001 From: martin at members.evolt.org (martin at members.evolt.org) Date: Fri Apr 20 15:46:27 2001 Subject: [thesite] staff app suggestion In-Reply-To: <9627DBCB3063D311BC4B00902785C55F02A12654@EXPO1> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010420205148.01f0c740@members.evolt.org> At 08:44 20/04/01 -0800, McCreath_David wrote: >A thought occurred to me... can the app send out a reminder message to >project team members a couple of days before due dates? And a couple of days *after* due dates of uncompleted ones too. mmm - escalation Cheers Martin From martin.p.burns at uk.pwcglobal.com Mon Apr 23 04:04:07 2001 From: martin.p.burns at uk.pwcglobal.com (martin.p.burns at uk.pwcglobal.com) Date: Mon Apr 23 04:04:07 2001 Subject: [thesite] Site down Message-ID: Memo from Martin P Burns of PricewaterhouseCoopers -------------------- Start of message text -------------------- Getting this error instead of the content: Just in time compilation error Invalid parser construct found on line 50 at position 37. ColdFusion was looking at the following text: session.user.priv Invalid expression format. The usual cause is an error in the expression structure. The last successfully parsed CFML construct was a CFSCRIPT tag occupying document position (45:4) to (45:13). The specific sequence of files included or processed is: /home/evolt/main_html/index.cfm /home/evolt/main_html/alphaboxcontroller.cfm CFInclude /home/evolt/main_html/evolt/Application.cfm CFInclude The error occurred while processing an element with a general identifier of (CFINCLUDE), occupying document position (24:3) to (24:60) in the template file /home/evolt/main_html/alphaboxcontroller.cfm. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Caught an exception, type = UNKNOWN The contents of the tag stack are: CFINCLUDE (1,1) /home/evolt/main_html/index.cfm CFTRY (23,1) /home/evolt/main_html/alphaboxcontroller.cfm CFINCLUDE (24,3) /home/evolt/main_html/alphaboxcontroller.cfm --------------------- End of message text -------------------- The principal place of business of PricewaterhouseCoopers and its associate partnerships is 1 Embankment Place, London WC2N 6NN where lists of the partners' names are available for inspection. All partners in the associate partnerships are authorised to conduct business as agents of, and all contracts for services to clients are with, PricewaterhouseCoopers. The UK firm of PricewaterhouseCoopers is authorised by the Institute of Chartered Accountants in England and Wales to carry on investment business. PricewaterhouseCoopers is a member of the world-wide PricewaterhouseCoopers organisation. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From evolt at dwcreative.com Mon Apr 23 13:01:36 2001 From: evolt at dwcreative.com (Dave @ day job) Date: Mon Apr 23 13:01:36 2001 Subject: [thesite] evolt.org - Site problems? Message-ID: Dear loyal fans and heartfelt admirers, In our day-to-day duties to make evolt.org a better place for you and me, we are constantly tweaking our site. In most cases everything works out fine and in others it doesn't. While we endeavour to provide the best *user* experience around, sometimes glitches can happen. And... we really did it this time. If you find that, by using Microsoft Internet Explorer (or any other browser for that matter,) you cannot access the exceptionally well written articles, tutorials and news-bytes on evolt.org, you may have to perform a small work around. To access the site please delete all of your cookies set by the fine folks at evolt.org and re-load the site. You see... everything's just fine. That didn't hurt now did it? Dave McLean (damclean) dave at members.evolt.org on behalf of the evolt.org admin team From elfur at elfur.is Mon Apr 23 13:30:12 2001 From: elfur at elfur.is (Elfur Logadottir) Date: Mon Apr 23 13:30:12 2001 Subject: [thesite] Re: [Admin] evolt.org - Site problems? References: <93A7B5EFAA22D4119C8400105A9CA61626629F@EXCHANGE> Message-ID: <0b5201c0cc23$b84587a0$40aefea9@DWARFS> From: "Marlene Bruce" | Not all fixed yet... had you removed all your cookies before going there ?? but then again, this is the orignial error. dan, you might want to comment out some more ... | | I was just at | http://evolt.org/article/Developing_User_Friendly_Flash_Content/4090/9 601/in | dex.html?cfid=211727&cftoken=602483 | | and clicked on the print version. Got this: | (http://evolt.org/Developing_User_Friendly_Flash_Content/index.html?fo rmat=p | rint&cfid=211727&cftoken=602483) | | Just in time compilation error Invalid parser construct found on line 50 at | position 37. ColdFusion was looking at the following text: | | session.user.priv | Invalid expression format. The usual cause is an error in the expression | structure. | | The last successfully parsed CFML construct was a CFSCRIPT tag occupying | document position (45:4) to (45:13). | | The specific sequence of files included or processed is: | /home/evolt/main_html/alphaboxcontroller.cfm | /home/evolt/main_html/evolt/Application.cfm CFInclude | | The error occurred while processing an element with a general identifier of | (CFINCLUDE), occupying document position (24:3) to (24:60) in the template | file /home/evolt/main_html/alphaboxcontroller.cfm. | -------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- | | Caught an exception, type = UNKNOWN | | The contents of the tag stack are: | | 1. CFTRY (23,1) /home/evolt/main_html/alphaboxcontroller.cfm | 2. CFINCLUDE (24,3) /home/evolt/main_html/alphaboxcontroller.cfm | | | ___________________________________________________ | I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal labotomy. | | From marlene.bruce at cdgsolutions.com Mon Apr 23 14:33:17 2001 From: marlene.bruce at cdgsolutions.com (Marlene Bruce) Date: Mon Apr 23 14:33:17 2001 Subject: [thesite] Re: [Admin] evolt.org - Site problems? Message-ID: <93A7B5EFAA22D4119C8400105A9CA6162662A2@EXCHANGE> Sorry, I was in a meeting. Yes, I'd cleared the one evolt.org cookie I'd found, and the non-print site is the only section not working. Marlene (back and in full technicolor, but still clueless about the last two weeks) > ---------- > From: Elfur Logadottir > > From: "Marlene Bruce" > > | Not all fixed yet... > > had you removed all your cookies before going there ?? > > but then again, this is the orignial error. > dan, you might want to comment out some more ... From marlene.bruce at cdgsolutions.com Mon Apr 23 14:37:17 2001 From: marlene.bruce at cdgsolutions.com (Marlene Bruce) Date: Mon Apr 23 14:37:17 2001 Subject: [thesite] Re: [Admin] evolt.org - Site problems? Message-ID: <93A7B5EFAA22D4119C8400105A9CA6162662A3@EXCHANGE> Correction: I should have said, "the not-print site *was* the only section not working." Marlene > ---------- > From: Marlene Bruce > > Sorry, I was in a meeting. Yes, I'd cleared the one evolt.org cookie I'd > found, and the non-print site is the only section not working. From djc at starkmedia.com Mon Apr 23 16:30:28 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Mon Apr 23 16:30:28 2001 Subject: [thesite] dean, oracle question.. Message-ID: <3AE49D22.200A9525@starkmedia.com> hey dean..(or anyone for that matter) how familiar are you with the tnsnames.ora file for oracle clients? for the life of me, i cannot get a server to connect to oracle, and am finally ready to break down for and ask for help.. So, if you got a minute, could i post the code here? .djc. From dsmah at home.com Mon Apr 23 16:49:38 2001 From: dsmah at home.com (Dean Mah) Date: Mon Apr 23 16:49:38 2001 Subject: [thesite] dean, oracle question.. In-Reply-To: <3AE49D22.200A9525@starkmedia.com> from "Daniel J. Cody" at Apr 23, 2001 04:22:42 PM Message-ID: <200104232155.PAA02259@alice.monkeyland.ca> Sure. Post away. In Oracle 8i, they went to some new-fangled graphical interface to set up the tnsnames.ora files. I think it is the Easy Installer or something. You might want to give it a try. Dean Daniel J. Cody writes: > hey dean..(or anyone for that matter) > > how familiar are you with the tnsnames.ora file for oracle clients? for > the life of me, i cannot get a server to connect to oracle, and am > finally ready to break down for and ask for help.. > > So, if you got a minute, could i post the code here? From djc at starkmedia.com Mon Apr 23 16:59:33 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Mon Apr 23 16:59:33 2001 Subject: [thesite] dean, oracle question.. References: <200104232155.PAA02259@alice.monkeyland.ca> Message-ID: <3AE4A3EA.7253496A@starkmedia.com> taken offlist due to the flinging of multiple passwords Dean Mah wrote: > > Sure. Post away. In Oracle 8i, they went to some new-fangled > graphical interface to set up the tnsnames.ora files. I think it is > the Easy Installer or something. You might want to give it a try. > > Dean > > Daniel J. Cody writes: > > > hey dean..(or anyone for that matter) > > > > how familiar are you with the tnsnames.ora file for oracle clients? for > > the life of me, i cannot get a server to connect to oracle, and am > > finally ready to break down for and ask for help.. > > > > So, if you got a minute, could i post the code here? > > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/ > and new & improved kentucky fried old archives: > http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/ From McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us Mon Apr 23 17:08:08 2001 From: McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us (McCreath_David) Date: Mon Apr 23 17:08:08 2001 Subject: [thesite] dean, oracle question.. Message-ID: <9627DBCB3063D311BC4B00902785C55F02A1266F@EXPO1> >From: Daniel J. Cody > >taken offlist due to the flinging of multiple passwords Spoilsports. From joshua at alphashop.net Mon Apr 23 21:19:55 2001 From: joshua at alphashop.net (Joshua Olson) Date: Mon Apr 23 21:19:55 2001 Subject: [thesite] Attaching code to articles In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Any thoughts on adding a file upload to article construction so that an author can upload encrypted ColdFusion custom tags or something to accompany an article. Personally, I wouldn't encode anything I'd write an article about, but it would still come in handy if the article was written about a ZIPPED set of templates or something. Thanx, -joshua From martin at members.evolt.org Wed Apr 25 16:44:44 2001 From: martin at members.evolt.org (martin at members.evolt.org) Date: Wed Apr 25 16:44:44 2001 Subject: [thesite] Site's down again Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010425224653.024e96d0@pop.easyweb.co.uk> Getting this: Oracle Error Code = 12560 Error while trying to retrieve text for error ORA-12560 SQL = "SELECT * FROM users WHERE cookie = '00035C4F-A0B4-1A38-950A569BD15384F2'" Data Source = "EVOLT" Caught an exception, type = DATABASE The contents of the tag stack are: CFTRY (23,1) /home/evolt/main_html/alphaboxcontroller.cfm CFINCLUDE (24,3) /home/evolt/main_html/alphaboxcontroller.cfm CFIF (37,1) /home/evolt/main_html/evolt/application.cfm CFQUERY (39,3) /home/evolt/main_html/evolt/application.cfm Cheers Martin From jeff at members.evolt.org Wed Apr 25 16:47:47 2001 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (jeff) Date: Wed Apr 25 16:47:47 2001 Subject: [thesite] Site's down again In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010425224653.024e96d0@pop.easyweb.co.uk> Message-ID: djc, :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : From: martin at members.evolt.org : : Oracle Error Code = 12560 : Error while trying to retrieve text for error ORA-12560 :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ database server needs to be restarted. thanks, .jeff name://jeff.howden game://web.development http://www.evolt.org/ mailto:jeff at members.evolt.org From martin at easyweb.co.uk Wed Apr 25 16:51:14 2001 From: martin at easyweb.co.uk (martin burns) Date: Wed Apr 25 16:51:14 2001 Subject: [Admin] RE: [thesite] Site's down again In-Reply-To: References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010425224653.024e96d0@pop.easyweb.co.uk> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010425225313.024efd00@pop.easyweb.co.uk> Anyone with knowledge want to suggest why it went down (I assume unplanned)? Cheers Martin At 14:51 25/04/01 -0700, jeff wrote: >djc, > >:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >: From: martin at members.evolt.org >: >: Oracle Error Code = 12560 >: Error while trying to retrieve text for error ORA-12560 >:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >database server needs to be restarted. > >thanks, > >.jeff From djc at members.evolt.org Wed Apr 25 16:56:12 2001 From: djc at members.evolt.org (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Wed Apr 25 16:56:12 2001 Subject: [Admin] RE: [thesite] Site's down again References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010425224653.024e96d0@pop.easyweb.co.uk> <5.0.2.1.0.20010425225313.024efd00@pop.easyweb.co.uk> Message-ID: <3AE747B9.F18BE62D@members.evolt.org> i'm on it now.. i'll get it back up and then find out what the prob was.. although i have 2 good ideas already .djc. martin burns wrote: > > Anyone with knowledge want to suggest why it went down (I assume unplanned)? > > Cheers > Martin > > At 14:51 25/04/01 -0700, jeff wrote: > >djc, > > > >:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >: From: martin at members.evolt.org > >: > >: Oracle Error Code = 12560 > >: Error while trying to retrieve text for error ORA-12560 > >:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > >database server needs to be restarted. > > > >thanks, > > > >.jeff > > ___________________________________________________ > Once I had a little game I like to call back in my brain. > I think you know the game I mean, I mean the game called go insane. From jeff at members.evolt.org Wed Apr 25 16:57:34 2001 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (jeff) Date: Wed Apr 25 16:57:34 2001 Subject: [Admin] RE: [thesite] Site's down again In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010425225313.024efd00@pop.easyweb.co.uk> Message-ID: martin, :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : From: martin burns : : Anyone with knowledge want to suggest why it : went down (I assume unplanned)? :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ not planned. oracle puked. .jeff name://jeff.howden game://web.development http://www.evolt.org/ mailto:jeff at members.evolt.org From martin at easyweb.co.uk Wed Apr 25 16:59:59 2001 From: martin at easyweb.co.uk (martin burns) Date: Wed Apr 25 16:59:59 2001 Subject: [Admin] RE: [thesite] Site's down again In-Reply-To: References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010425225313.024efd00@pop.easyweb.co.uk> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010425230232.024e8770@pop.easyweb.co.uk> At 15:00 25/04/01 -0700, jeff wrote: >:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >: From: martin burns >: >: Anyone with knowledge want to suggest why it >: went down (I assume unplanned)? >:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >not planned. > >oracle puked. On..? Cheers Martin From mwarden at mattwarden.com Wed Apr 25 18:04:37 2001 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Wed Apr 25 18:04:37 2001 Subject: [thesite] code(this) Message-ID: <00be01c0cddc$0f42a920$beae1b18@mwarden> thesite, Ok, so what needs to be done to set up the code(this) category? Here's the attributes as far as I see them (please tell me anything that isn't do-able): a. the category must be submitable only to admins b. the category should show on the front page c. the category probably shouldn't show up in searches d. the category probably should not show up on the user page's article listing if we're going to follow the precedent we set with the FAQ category hmmmm... that's all I can think of now. I think all of this functionality already exists, correct? I just want to make sure. What all has to happen to get this category set up? Just an addition to the database? Rudy, dean, dan, jeff, whomever... can you do that? I like what rudy suggested: code(this) ... but non-programmers might not get it. Should we just stick with Code This! or some variation? r0ck 0n, -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From r937 at interlog.com Wed Apr 25 19:41:13 2001 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Wed Apr 25 19:41:13 2001 Subject: [thesite] code(this) Message-ID: <01c0cde9$671e7fe0$be4c149a@rudy> >a. the category must be submitable only to admins >b. the category should show on the front page >c. the category probably shouldn't show up in searches >d. the category probably should not show up on the user page's article >listing if we're going to follow the precedent we set with the FAQ category this is getting out of hand a bit news and suggestions don't show on the front page, jobs do, some categories are searchable, some aren't, FAQ isn't in the dropdown... [sigh] what a hodge-podge of code it will take to maintain all this... >I like what rudy suggested: code(this) ... but non-programmers might not get >it. Should we just stick with Code This! or some variation? my suggestion was "answer(this)" code is too backendish, a more general category name can pose any sort of design or development challenge for instance, cayley vos' "image slicing - not for the timid" the other day the frisbeeing rudester From jeff at members.evolt.org Wed Apr 25 19:49:43 2001 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (jeff) Date: Wed Apr 25 19:49:43 2001 Subject: [thesite] code(this) In-Reply-To: <01c0cde9$671e7fe0$be4c149a@rudy> Message-ID: rudy, :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : From: rudy : : this is getting out of hand a bit :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ +1 :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : news and suggestions don't show on the : front page, jobs do, some categories : are searchable, some aren't, FAQ isn't : in the dropdown... :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ so confusing you even got them mixed up. news shows up on the frontpage jobs, suggestions, and faq do not. in addition, faq does not appear in the dropdown. all categories are searchable. :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : [sigh] what a hodge-podge of code it will take : to maintain all this... :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ +1 with the addition of the faq category the complexity of the code has increased dramatically. we need to start using the cattype attribute to determine display. :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : my suggestion was "answer(this)" : : code is too backendish, a more general category : name can pose any sort of design or development : challenge : : for instance, cayley vos' "image slicing - not : for the timid" the other day :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ +1 thanks, .jeff name://jeff.howden game://web.development http://www.evolt.org/ mailto:jeff at members.evolt.org From mwarden at odyssey-design.com Wed Apr 25 19:55:33 2001 From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Wed Apr 25 19:55:33 2001 Subject: [thesite] code(this) References: <01c0cde9$671e7fe0$be4c149a@rudy> Message-ID: <011401c0cdeb$8e3c50a0$beae1b18@mwarden> > this is getting out of hand a bit > > news and suggestions don't show on the front page, jobs do, some categories > are searchable, some aren't, FAQ isn't in the dropdown... > > [sigh] what a hodge-podge of code it will take to maintain all this... Of course, if there were privs working on categories, we could probably do this right, eh? > >I like what rudy suggested: code(this) ... but non-programmers might not > get > >it. Should we just stick with Code This! or some variation? > > my suggestion was "answer(this)" whatever > code is too backendish, a more general category name can pose any sort of > design or development challenge > > for instance, cayley vos' "image slicing - not for the timid" the other day *shrug* I dont like answer(this) as much... becuase we're not asking a question. But, whatever. Let's not quibble about the name. So, can we do this or what? -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From mwarden at mattwarden.com Thu Apr 26 00:08:38 2001 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Thu Apr 26 00:08:38 2001 Subject: [thesite] thoughts on Most Commented On Articles boxen Message-ID: <01f301c0ce0e$e6878900$beae1b18@mwarden> thesite, What is the current query for grabbing the Most Commented On Articles? Is it just grabbing the articles with the highest count of comments? If so, we might want to think about altering that slightly. The original purpose was to direct users to discussion-inspiring articles, no? Well, what if the last comment was back in 1999? Plus, if you look at that box regularly, there just ain't much circulation at all. It's like a one-time use camera or something (that's definitely a 1am metaphor). So, what if we limited it to articles commented on in the last 30 days? I've NEVER been good at SQL with aggregate functions in them (do I smell a rudy response here?), but, I would assume that the sql would have to change like: ... WHERE Max(comment.CreateDate) >= DateAdd(SYSDATE(), day, -30) ... or whatever the syntax is for Oracle's date addition function. -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From martin at members.evolt.org Thu Apr 26 01:14:59 2001 From: martin at members.evolt.org (martin at members.evolt.org) Date: Thu Apr 26 01:14:59 2001 Subject: [thesite] code(this) In-Reply-To: <01c0cde9$671e7fe0$be4c149a@rudy> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010426071536.023ada60@members.evolt.org> At 20:39 25/04/01 -0400, rudy wrote: >Should we just stick with Code This! or some variation? > >my suggestion was "answer(this)" > >code is too backendish, a more general category name can pose any sort of >design or development challenge +1 Although to make it even more general, "Write this"? Tempting to call it response.write but nevermind. Cheers Martin From djc at starkmedia.com Thu Apr 26 01:30:23 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Thu Apr 26 01:30:23 2001 Subject: [thesite] code(this) References: Message-ID: <3AE7DE26.9020206@starkmedia.com> just to chime in on a larger issue here, but news should *always* show up on the front page IMO. we haven't had much 'news' lately which sucks for us and the common web-developer out there, but it should be on the front page. .djc. jeff wrote: > news shows up on the frontpage From djc at starkmedia.com Thu Apr 26 01:58:29 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Thu Apr 26 01:58:29 2001 Subject: [thesite] Re: [Admin] oracle.. References: <3AE74DEB.49B1FD95@starkmedia.com> <3AE74E40.A05823F2@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <3AE7E4BD.5080804@starkmedia.com> got back a bit ago. went to a Brewers game with my suit, was awesome! we just got a new stadium here and its really nice.. 4th row, locker room access after the game, got shitfaced with jeremey burnitz :) anyways, oracle. jamie said they had some bad RAM in the machine, and thats why oracle pucked tonite(and had pucked last week). thankfully, she had some extra RAM onhand(thanks to my 8 month old disaster recovery plan) and dropped that in the box. total downtime tonite was about 20 minutes. so, i'd like to expand on why we're still at oracular where this shit happens. :) we need *ONE* more box for evolt. nothing super hardcore. I talked to bob the other night about it and heres what i have and what we need, followed by what that will get us. i have right now: 100Gb of 10K seagate cheetah drives. if cheetah rings a bell you know what i'm talking about and why we're good in the stroage dept. i have right now: an 800Mhz slot 1 133Mhz bus Pentium 3 that would more than handle the work of w.e.o(more to come) i have right now: 768Mb of 133Mhz bus speed RAM. that is way more than we need for w.e.o i have right now: the box, the power and the bandwidth to shove it all in. what i dont have: a slot 1 133Mhz Motherboard. these are hard to find and halfway expensive because Intel changed a bunch of shit right around 700Mhz. if you know hardware you know what i'm talking about. if you don't it makes no sense to explain it. :) if you want me to, let me know :) what we dont have: corprate types giving us free hardware. they *love* doing this for site like us, we just need to give them a reason(hence my insistance on the 'why youre company should give us shit' doc's. what i dont have: a decent oracle admin. i can do server maintence, but good oracle skills(the one thing oracle actually has) are hard to come by. maybe dean could fill this roll if we ran our own shit. why this would all be good for us: total independance. we've got this right now with b.e.o and l.e.o and m.e.o since they all sit on the same(very nice thanks to member contributions) box. we also have two relay servers right now which rule. i could drop this on an internet connection anywhere and we'd be fine. if we could have our *own* oracle box and webserver, we'd be in the same awesome boat. it also makes us accountable for our own crashes instead of oracular using shitty RAM. and thats a good thing. tagwear plays into this huge, which is why i'm happy bob is on that. tagwear will give us a viable stream of revenue to use for evolt purposes. i *want* to get that shit 'that we need' right now, and i would on my own, but the suit is costing more than i thought. the hosting to oracular is starting to add up to. the cost for bandwidth(which i get at a very discounted rate, but costs money all the same) for [l,b,m].e.o is about 250 a month. all in all, i'm dropping about 500 a month on evolt stuff.. and not that i'm bitching or anything :) i would just like to get some mechanisms in gear(tagwear!) that could offset some of these costs for us and pay for improvments. again, i'm not bitching and i dont want pats on the back(although beer or bombay would be nice :) or anything.. so thats what happened and where things stand.. i've probably written a much longer email than i should have, but wtf ya know :) .djc. Daniel J. Cody wrote: > ok, its back and everything is as it should be.. > > i'll find out reasons why later.. for now I'm reeeeeeeeeeally late and > paying for it :( From McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us Thu Apr 26 10:33:31 2001 From: McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us (McCreath_David) Date: Thu Apr 26 10:33:31 2001 Subject: [thesite] Re: [*dmin] oracle.. Message-ID: <9627DBCB3063D311BC4B00902785C55F02A126A1@EXPO1> >From: Daniel J. Cody > >what i dont have: a slot 1 133Mhz Motherboard. these are hard to find >and halfway expensive because Intel changed a bunch of shit >right around 700Mhz. I don't know about buying off the web, but here's something: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1232043522 Auction ends today (in 5 hours), it's currently at $72.00. -and- http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1232888866 The seller is in Cleveland. Auction ends in a 3 days, no bids yet, he has 6 of them, they start at $65.00. David From r937 at interlog.com Thu Apr 26 12:10:51 2001 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Thu Apr 26 12:10:51 2001 Subject: [thesite] code(this) Message-ID: <01c0ce72$c5fa9060$844e149a@rudy> >But, whatever. Let's not quibble about the name. > >So, can we do this or what? okay, what seriously, i can add a new category, and leave active=0 for now > a. the category must be submitable only to admins can you explain more why, please admins have to approve every article anyway, so i don't get the point > b. the category should show on the front page default behaviour, i think > c. the category probably shouldn't show up in searches that'll be trickier, and require coding not sure why we would want the restriction, though -- are there any other categories that are excluded from searching at the present time? > d. the category probably should not show up on the user page's article listing if we're going to follow the precedent we set with the FAQ category that precedent stinks, imho but then, i don't understand why somebody who wrote a faq article would not want it listed amongst his or her other articles so, um, what do we want to call it? code(this)? answer(this)? rudy From r937 at interlog.com Thu Apr 26 12:10:54 2001 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Thu Apr 26 12:10:54 2001 Subject: [thesite] thoughts on Most Commented On Articles boxen Message-ID: <01c0ce73$d9dd6520$844e149a@rudy> >So, what if we limited it to articles commented on in the last 30 days? sounds pretty good you're right, having that article about evoltageddon in amongst the most commented articles is pretty lame > I've NEVER been good at SQL with aggregate functions in them > (do I smell a rudy response here?), but, I would assume that the sql > would have to change like: > >... WHERE Max(comment.CreateDate) >= DateAdd(SYSDATE(), day, -30) ... aggregate function tests go into the HAVING clause , but in this case i think it's a straight filter condition (no aggregate function) =o) there's a bucket on the article content record itself called REPLIES which shows total number of comments (updated each time a comment is added), but that would be all of them, including old ones, so an aggregate query may indeed still be required for what you're proposing about fresh comments i'd have to see the specific query (still not sure where in the site to look -- can i go in with ftp? if yes, which folder, and could somebody remind me of the ftp login username/pswd offlist please?) rudy From mwarden at odyssey-design.com Thu Apr 26 14:03:57 2001 From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Thu Apr 26 14:03:57 2001 Subject: [thesite] Re: [*dmin] oracle.. References: <9627DBCB3063D311BC4B00902785C55F02A126A1@EXPO1> Message-ID: <023701c0ce83$7e7eca10$beae1b18@mwarden> > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1232888866 > > The seller is in Cleveland. Auction ends in a 3 days, no bids yet, he has 6 > of them, they start at $65.00. FYI, if this is anything good, I could drive there and check them out (though I don't know much about hardware) if you really want to buy them. About a 4 hour drive, but it would be an excuse to get away. -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From mwarden at odyssey-design.com Thu Apr 26 14:04:37 2001 From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Thu Apr 26 14:04:37 2001 Subject: [thesite] Re: [*dmin] oracle.. References: <3AE74DEB.49B1FD95@starkmedia.com> <3AE74E40.A05823F2@starkmedia.com> <3AE7E4BD.5080804@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <023601c0ce83$7e3b7f80$beae1b18@mwarden> > why this would all be good for us: total independance. we've got this > right now with b.e.o and l.e.o and m.e.o since they all sit on the > same(very nice thanks to member contributions) box. we also have two > relay servers right now which rule. i could drop this on an internet > connection anywhere and we'd be fine. if we could have our *own* oracle > box and webserver, we'd be in the same awesome boat. Damn striaght. Having all our boxes on the same network would resolve a lot of issues. > but wtf ya know :) +1 -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From mwarden at odyssey-design.com Thu Apr 26 14:13:27 2001 From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Thu Apr 26 14:13:27 2001 Subject: [thesite] code(this) References: <01c0ce72$c5fa9060$844e149a@rudy> Message-ID: <024301c0ce84$e68191f0$beae1b18@mwarden> > seriously, i can add a new category, and leave active=0 for now exactly. > > a. the category must be submitable only to admins > > can you explain more why, please > > admins have to approve every article anyway, so i don't get the point The point is that i don't want themembers to be a slave workforce to solve programming/design problems people are having at work. This could end up being a copy&paste from requirements docs and I don't want that. I want it to be completely hypothetical situations. Do you have a reason to make this submitable by all? You could review all those articles and make the judgements if you want. I'd rather not. Plus, I'd like to spread whatever(this) articles a bit so it doesn't get so old that people don't look for them anymore. > > b. the category should show on the front page > > default behaviour, i think Yup. > > c. the category probably shouldn't show up in searches > > that'll be trickier, and require coding Really? We're doing this for FAQ cat aren't we? > not sure why we would want the restriction, though -- are there any other > categories that are excluded from searching at the present time? FAQ I believe. We can leave it in search results if that's a problem. > > d. the category probably should not show up on the user page's article > listing if we're going to follow the precedent we set with the FAQ category > > that precedent stinks, imho um, why's that? > but then, i don't understand why somebody who wrote a faq article would not > want it listed amongst his or her other articles Well, then you just don't get it at all. It aint' that people don't WANT them listed. But, Mishka didn't write that FAQ article. She edited what we already had. It's why people were thinking of using a user named "evolt"... it's not an individual thing. But, we wanted a name behind the article. That doesn't mean they should show up in the user pages. That doesn't make sense to me. I think .jeff agreed with me, though I don't want to speak for him. > so, um, what do we want to call it? code(this)? answer(this)? go for answer(this) or Answer This!. Whichever. It's your call. cool? -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From r937 at interlog.com Thu Apr 26 14:36:25 2001 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Thu Apr 26 14:36:25 2001 Subject: [thesite] code(this) Message-ID: <01c0ce87$679fb300$8851149a@rudy> insert into categorys ( CATEGORYID, CATTYPEID, CATEGORY , CREATED, CREATEDBY, ACTIVE, ACTIVEBY , DATEMOD ) select evolt_seq.nextval, 3847, 'Answer This!' , TO_DATE('26-APR-01'), 20, 0, null , null from dual; 1 row inserted select CATEGORYID as ID ,substr(CATEGORY,1,21) as category , ACTIVE, CREATED from categorys ORDER BY CATEGORY; ID CATEGORY ACTIVE CREATED ---------- --------------------- ---------- --------- 10047 Answer This! 0 26-APR-01 18 Backend 1 01-JUN-99 17 Code 1 01-JUN-99 25 Commentary & Society 1 07-JUL-99 9741 FAQ 1 13-APR-01 4090 IA/Usability 1 18-NOV-00 23 Jobs 1 01-JUN-99 1 News 1 28-MAR-99 12 Reviews & Links 1 29-APR-99 20 Site Development 1 01-JUN-99 21 Software 1 01-JUN-99 26 Suggestions 1 08-JUL-99 22 Visual Design 1 01-JUN-99 4091 Web Business 0 18-NOV-00 14 rows selected. From djc at starkmedia.com Thu Apr 26 14:42:37 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Thu Apr 26 14:42:37 2001 Subject: [thesite] code(this) References: <01c0ce87$679fb300$8851149a@rudy> Message-ID: <3AE879E8.9735294F@starkmedia.com> holy shit, when did we roll 10000 on the sequence?!?! rudy wrote: > ---------- --------------------- ---------- --------- > 10047 Answer This! 0 26-APR-01 From jeff at members.evolt.org Thu Apr 26 14:49:17 2001 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (jeff) Date: Thu Apr 26 14:49:17 2001 Subject: [thesite] code(this) In-Reply-To: <3AE879E8.9735294F@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : From: Daniel J. Cody : : holy shit, when did we roll 10000 on the sequence?!?! : : rudy wrote: : : > ---------- --------------------- ---------- --------- : > 10047 Answer This! 0 26-APR-01 :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ no shit and why do we have 5 char categoryids when we don't even have 20 categories? .jeff name://jeff.howden game://web.development http://www.evolt.org/ mailto:jeff at members.evolt.org From djc at starkmedia.com Thu Apr 26 15:06:28 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Thu Apr 26 15:06:28 2001 Subject: [thesite] code(this) References: Message-ID: <3AE87F82.E5E2483@starkmedia.com> cus we're pulling new catid's off the sequence.. i think we talked about this at codefest 1, but not sure.. we were talking about adding the IA/Usability cat and debating whether to just pick a 'static' number or to let it pull off the sequence.. .djc. jeff wrote: > > :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > : From: Daniel J. Cody > : > : holy shit, when did we roll 10000 on the sequence?!?! > : > : rudy wrote: > : > : > ---------- --------------------- ---------- --------- > : > 10047 Answer This! 0 26-APR-01 > :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > no shit and why do we have 5 char categoryids when we don't even have 20 > categories? From mwarden at odyssey-design.com Thu Apr 26 15:14:53 2001 From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Thu Apr 26 15:14:53 2001 Subject: [thesite] code(this) References: <3AE87F82.E5E2483@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <041e01c0ce8d$7a81c750$beae1b18@mwarden> From: "Daniel J. Cody" > cus we're pulling new catid's off the sequence.. i think we talked about > this at codefest 1, but not sure.. we were talking about adding the > IA/Usability cat and debating whether to just pick a 'static' number or > to let it pull off the sequence.. Silly dan. .jeff was just trying to rehash the single-sequence issue ;-) I'll refrain from putting in my two cents in hopes that the discussion does not get rehashed... yet. evolt3.0 maybe? -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From djc at starkmedia.com Thu Apr 26 15:19:38 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Thu Apr 26 15:19:38 2001 Subject: [thesite] code(this) References: <3AE87F82.E5E2483@starkmedia.com> <041e01c0ce8d$7a81c750$beae1b18@mwarden> Message-ID: <3AE88294.3AA33763@starkmedia.com> "Warden, Matt" wrote: > > From: "Daniel J. Cody" > > cus we're pulling new catid's off the sequence.. i think we talked about > > this at codefest 1, but not sure.. we were talking about adding the > > IA/Usability cat and debating whether to just pick a 'static' number or > > to let it pull off the sequence.. > > Silly dan. .jeff was just trying to rehash the single-sequence issue ;-) oh :) > I'll refrain from putting in my two cents in hopes that the discussion does > not get rehashed... yet. evolt3.0 maybe? +1 From michele at wordpro.on.ca Fri Apr 27 09:40:46 2001 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Fri Apr 27 09:40:46 2001 Subject: [thesite] Small Typo Message-ID: <006301c0cf28$04c5fea0$07e9a1d1@mef> Hi Folks, Just noticed a small typo on the article viewing screen. Under, Ratings You're already rated this article. Your rating is shown below. If you believe this article deserves a rating other than the one you've already given it, then you may change it. Change "You're" to "You've" or "You have" Thanks, Michele From djc at starkmedia.com Fri Apr 27 10:56:01 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Fri Apr 27 10:56:01 2001 Subject: [thesite] Small Typo References: <006301c0cf28$04c5fea0$07e9a1d1@mef> Message-ID: <3AE9965A.6FB92481@starkmedia.com> fix0r3zed!! thanks for the heads up mich :) .djc. Michele Foster wrote: > > Hi Folks, > > Just noticed a small typo on the article viewing screen. From djc at starkmedia.com Fri Apr 27 12:07:56 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Fri Apr 27 12:07:56 2001 Subject: [thesite] avantgo? Message-ID: <3AE9A738.6DE95D7D@starkmedia.com> i got a palm finally and wanna have evolt on it through avantgo.. i'm on their site now looking through categories and can't find us anywhere? how do i get it on my palm? From charliel at infohwy.com Fri Apr 27 12:23:07 2001 From: charliel at infohwy.com (Charlie Llewellin) Date: Fri Apr 27 12:23:07 2001 Subject: [thesite] avantgo? References: <3AE9A738.6DE95D7D@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <00bb01c0cf4f$3c83a3c0$ca202fc0@emmis.com> Is it a private category? It is taking Avantgo a long time to approve new categories - I know, I am waiting myself. Charlie > i got a palm finally and wanna have evolt on it through avantgo.. i'm on > their site now looking through categories and can't find us anywhere? From martin at members.evolt.org Fri Apr 27 17:31:18 2001 From: martin at members.evolt.org (Martin) Date: Fri Apr 27 17:31:18 2001 Subject: [thesite] avantgo? Message-ID: <0714a2833221b41PCOW034M@blueyonder.co.uk> Daniel J. Cody wrote on 27/4/01 6:07 pm >i got a palm finally and wanna have evolt on it through avantgo.. i'm on >their site now looking through categories and can't find us anywhere? Did we sign their agreement? I know when I was talking about it last summer we were very dubious about it. To get listed, you need to sign. >how do i get it on my palm? You can just give it a URL Cheers Martin ------------------------------------------------------------------- email: martin at easyweb.co.uk PGP ID: 0xA835CCCB martin at members.evolt.org snailmail: 30 Shandon Place tel: +44 (0)778 068 6418 Edinburgh, url: http://www.easyweb.co.uk Scotland From djc at starkmedia.com Fri Apr 27 19:40:39 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Fri Apr 27 19:40:39 2001 Subject: [thesite] avantgo? References: <0714a2833221b41PCOW034M@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <3AEA2F2F.3090708@starkmedia.com> what does the agreement stipulate? Martin wrote: > Daniel J. Cody wrote on 27/4/01 6:07 pm > > >> i got a palm finally and wanna have evolt on it through avantgo.. i'm on >> their site now looking through categories and can't find us anywhere? > > > Did we sign their agreement? I know when I was talking about it last > summer we were very dubious about it. To get listed, you need to sign. From martin at members.evolt.org Sat Apr 28 05:22:51 2001 From: martin at members.evolt.org (Martin) Date: Sat Apr 28 05:22:51 2001 Subject: [thesite] avantgo? Message-ID: <045fd3924101c41PCOW025M@blueyonder.co.uk> Daniel J. Cody wrote on 28/4/01 3:47 am >what does the agreement stipulate? Ah, they've changed it. The 'Content Partner' status is intended for commercial, for-profit partners (eg http://www.lastminute.com/), and they charge $1,000. Cheers Martin ------------------------------------------------------------------- email: martin at easyweb.co.uk PGP ID: 0xA835CCCB martin at members.evolt.org snailmail: 30 Shandon Place tel: +44 (0)778 068 6418 Edinburgh, url: http://www.easyweb.co.uk Scotland From martin at easyweb.co.uk Sat Apr 28 13:23:18 2001 From: martin at easyweb.co.uk (Martin Burns) Date: Sat Apr 28 13:23:18 2001 Subject: [thesite] Fwd: [Admin] Fwd: AvantGo Partner Agreement Message-ID: <042602525181c41PCOW034M@blueyonder.co.uk> Found this while tidying. Dates from last August. Cheers Martin ---------------- Begin Forwarded Message ---------------- Date: 23/8/00 10:21 am Received: 23/8/00 10:43 pm From: martin burns, martin at members.evolt.org Reply-To: evolt admin, admin at lists.evolt.org To: thesite at lists.evolt.org; evolt admin, admin at lists.evolt.org Anyone got any problems with us signing this? (cleaned up a bit from their Word doc, but didn't have time to really get it into proper HTML). It's the agreement to be an AvantGo partner (ie get an evolt channel onto PDAs) The only iffy bit on 1st glance is over revenues from advertising on our AvantGo channel - any revenues we get (and we're not getting any, right?) we have to give AG 25%. Cheers Martin >From: "Sarah Gee" >To: >Subject: AvantGo Partner Agreement >Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:00:19 +0100 >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) >Importance: Normal > > >Thank you for your interest in becoming an AvantGo.com Partner. This e-mail >will give you >knowledge of our product and the information you will need to build a >channel and register as an >AvantGo.com Partner. > >Why deliver to mobile devices? > >Delivering to Mobile devices is an excellent way to extend your web site's >reach beyond the desktop, establishing a pervasive relationship with your >customers/end users. Mobile devices enable consumers to access information >provided by the content partner while they are away from their office or >home. Partners are looking to be a resource to end users during all points >of the day. When on the move - whether going to meetings, commuting to >work, eating dinner - mobile devices provide consumers with access to >information - anytime, anywhere! The power of the web should not be only >limited to desktops, information should flow to individuals when they need >throughout the day. Mobile devices provide an exciting new delivery medium >for partners to leverage in establishing tighter relationships with their >customers. > >Advantages of Being an AvantGo.com Partner > >? Free! Our basic re is free for our partners and users. >? Design once, we worry about delivery to all devices. We offer support for >Palm OS, Windows >CE, wireless devices, and internet-enabled smart phones. You only have to >design once for many >platforms/users. >? Distribution on Palm and Windows CE devices along with our current >partners provides greater >visibility to your site (and ours.) Our software comes with all Palm and CE >devices >? Simple development. Partners design in HTML using existing tools and >content. There is no >need to acquire special development tools, server hardware, or hire new >programmers. Use our >Style Guide to simplify your channel development. (I have attached a copy of >our new Style >Guide.) You can see an example channel to see how easy it is to create - it >is truly an html page >that can be viewed on your desktop but is designed for actually viewing on >mobile devices. >? Content Developers available to answer your questions and help with your >channel development. >? AvantGo Client Server Software provides the best user experience through >efficient >management of download time and memory usage and through a friendly look and >feel of the >content. >? Proven Consumer Usage: Deliver your content to millions of PDAs >? Some examples of existing AvantGo Channels include, > > Global: Yahoo, MSN, GO, Excite > Germany: Der Spiegel, FT Deutschland, > Sports.com > France: TF1, Canal Plus, Le Monde > UK: Guardian, BBC, Last Minute.com, > Scandinavia: Aftenbladet, Aftenposten, Dagbladet > > >How to Become a Partner > >? Attached is the Content Partner Agreement. Review the Agreement, making >any modifications >as needed, and please return to me an electronic version of the Agreement >having completed all >the Exhibits. >? Visit our Content Development web site for more information about the >program and details. >http://avantgo.com/developer/web/index.html >? Visit our Style Guide to help develop your channel. >http://avantgo.com/developer/web/documentation.html > > >To Complete the Process > >Please provide AvantGo with the following >? An electronic version of the Agreement with any modification and having >completed all the >Exhibits. >? A 10-20 word description of your channel in both English and, if >applicable, the channel's >language. >? A 163x43 color logo for the AvantGo Web site >? The exact title how you would like your channel name to appear on our >site. >? Five words in your site that should be highlighted as search keywords. > >If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact me at >sgee at avantgo.com. Please send mail to > >AvantGo Content Program >Kinetic Centre >Theobald Street >Borehamwood >Herts WD6 4PJ >United Kingdom > >or fax to +44 (0) 20 8387 1276 > >I look forward to working with you > >Sarah Gee >Marketing Assistant >AvantGo Mobile Internet, Europe ________________ Martin Burns, Content Management Consultant tel: +44 (0)778 068 6418 http://evolt.org/index.cfm?menu=9&uid=32 PGP fingerprint: A9B9 101F 55F9 40BE 5E00 98E7 71E8 1E70 A835 CCCB ----------------- End Forwarded Message ----------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Enclosed#32 Type: application/text Size: 223 bytes Desc: not available URL: