From djc at starkmedia.com Wed Aug 1 14:10:24 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Wed Aug 1 14:10:24 2001 Subject: [thesite] july stats.. Message-ID: <3B6853D8.5040904@starkmedia.com> ok, i or apache seriously fucked something up this month.. it turns out that the access_log for www.evolt.org was getting written out not as an access_log format like so: 202.188.229.19 - - [01/Aug/2001:13:45:25 -0500] "GET /evolt/images/9599/nfl.gif HTTP/1.1" 200 10537 "http://www.evolt.org/article/Developing_User_Friendly_Flash_Content/4090/9601/" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows NT 5.0)" but as an error_log format: [Wed Aug 1 13:45:06 2001] [error] [client 200.185.76.95] File does not exist: /home/evolt/public_html/article/Developing_User_Friendly_Flash_Content/4090/9601/ so we've got two sets of error logs for july for www.evolt.org.. it took me a long ass time to figure out why the main stats page wasn't showing Bob's mac osX article(i was interested to see how many page views it got), so i started poking around otherwise i wouldn't have noticed. at any rate, here is the URL to the report *without* the access_log from www.evolt.org(but *with* the error_log and referer_log) http://browsers.evolt.org/stats/stats.jul2001.html 780k 'hits'(this is much lower than last month cus none of the www.evolt.org access_log images and files are in there and because I didnt use leo.evolt.org's access_log which is where b/m/l/a.e.o points for images) 409k page views 1.5Gb of data per day 57k distinct IP addys admins held 3 of the top 5 positions for hits on m.e.o(jeff, me, david) now thanks to the open source nature of analog i was able to configure it to read the www.evolt.org - access_log which had error_log data in it - and get it to spit out a couple useful things.. http://browsers.evolt.org/stats/stats.weojul2001.html only has a couple things(cus an error_log only reports 3 or 4 things(client, date, filename)), and everything on that page is *ONLY* what runs through the 404 handler, so no files that reported a 200 Status OK will be in this.. i also used sed to replease the File does not exist: /home/evolt/public_html/whatever so just /whatever shows up.. anyways, it tacks on another 120k page views which puts as right around 550k total page views and 82k distinct visitors for all evolt sites(d.e.o is here now too) for the month of july, which was also a shorter month, statisically cus i didnt roll the logs from june till the 3rd of july(29 days of stats for july) 200k more page views than last month 500k fewer 'hits' than last month 11k more distinct hosts than last month la la la, if you're still reading by now give yourself a hand.. if you *understand* what the hell i'm blabbering about, give a bigger hand :) if anyone has questions or anything, let me know. am i rambling? .djc. p.s. it turns out bobs MacOSX article ended up with around 3700 page views p.s.s. m.e.o stats are at http://members.evolt.org/july2001stats.html From garrett at polytechnic.co.uk Thu Aug 2 07:24:41 2001 From: garrett at polytechnic.co.uk (Garrett Coakley) Date: Thu Aug 2 07:24:41 2001 Subject: [thesite] More on feo Message-ID: <20010802132622.723e355c.garrett@polytechnic.co.uk> Hi, After chatting with dan, matt et al in #evolt yesterday I gave the latest nightly from mozilla a whirl this morning to see if that would make this problem vanish (hey... I'm getting desperate here!). No dice. Now if I'm the only one seeing it (and it looks like I am), then it's a judgement call as to whether the code is going to be good enough for feo. In the meantime I've started to put in the final finishing bits (the horiz lines in the sidebar are in there at the moment, other graphics to follow soon). This has brought to light another little problem, the amount of whitespace underneath the Chef search box, but I'm going to wait to see if anyone else can see this one before I start banging my head against the brick wall *:) G. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- WORK: http://spiked.co.uk/ PLAY: http://polytechnic.co.uk/ From michele at wordpro.on.ca Thu Aug 2 07:35:34 2001 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Thu Aug 2 07:35:34 2001 Subject: [thesite] More on feo References: <20010802132622.723e355c.garrett@polytechnic.co.uk> Message-ID: <009901c11b4f$dcfb2f20$3ceda1d1@mef> Garrett, Where's the latest and greatest that we are to look at? Also, did ya try modifying the doctype as suggested in this bug report: http://www.mozilla.org/quality/help/bugzilla-helper.html Michele ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Coakley" | | Hi, | | After chatting with dan, matt et al in #evolt yesterday I gave the | latest nightly from mozilla a whirl this morning to see if that would | make this problem vanish (hey... I'm getting desperate here!). | | No dice. From garrett at polytechnic.co.uk Thu Aug 2 08:29:35 2001 From: garrett at polytechnic.co.uk (Garrett Coakley) Date: Thu Aug 2 08:29:35 2001 Subject: [thesite] More on feo In-Reply-To: <009901c11b4f$dcfb2f20$3ceda1d1@mef> References: <20010802132622.723e355c.garrett@polytechnic.co.uk> <009901c11b4f$dcfb2f20$3ceda1d1@mef> Message-ID: <20010802142215.1e185160.garrett@polytechnic.co.uk> On Thu, 2 Aug 2001 08:37:15 -0400, "Michele Foster" wrote: > Garrett, > > Where's the latest and greatest that we are to look at? Oh yeah.. sorry. http://members.evolt.org/garrett/feo3.html > Also, did ya try modifying the doctype as suggested in this bug report: > http://www.mozilla.org/quality/help/bugzilla-helper.html Yep, tried it with: HTML4.0 Trans (with and without URI) HTML4.0 Strict HTML4.01 Trans (with and without URI) HTML4.01 Strict XHTML1.1 Trans It was the same in all of them. Plus the btnbt blew up pretty badly in anything that triggered Standards mode... but that's neither here nor there right now. Whoever gets to the beervolt before me tonight, I'll have a large JD & coke... I'm gonna need it. *:) G. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- WORK: http://spiked.co.uk/ PLAY: http://polytechnic.co.uk/ From mwarden at mattwarden.com Thu Aug 2 10:03:39 2001 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Thu Aug 2 10:03:39 2001 Subject: [thesite] database: Attributes table Message-ID: can someone explain exactly what the intended use of Attributes was? is it member attributes, general attributes, or what? thanx0rz, -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From r937 at interlog.com Thu Aug 2 11:24:13 2001 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Thu Aug 2 11:24:13 2001 Subject: [thesite] database: Attributes table Message-ID: <01c11b6f$b68b8040$ec4b149a@rudy> > can someone explain exactly what the intended use of > Attributes was? is it member attributes, general attributes, > or what? would you like the quickee explanation or the detailed article i've been promising for a year or so to write? attribute ---- 1-m ---- membattr ---- m-1 ---- member sample attributes: url, phone, icq#, photo membattr was originally shown in early data model diagrams as having a pk consisting of the concatenated fk's to member and attribute -- that's wrong, as we do want multiple occurrences of the same concatenated fk's (a member can list more than one url, for example), so membattr has its own sequence-generated pk helps? Q: how do we deal with attributes that people want to enter that are not "predefined" in the attributes table? A: with any number of inventive solutions -- i'm leaning towards "parent cascade" (insertion of a child record for a parent that does not exist automatically creates the parent) why not just do away with the attributes table, and toss the name of the attribute into the membattr table? this avoids the predefined problem, but it tends to bloat the database besides, there are so many common attributes that people will want to specify that it makes sense to offer the common ones on a number of pulldowns or text input fields (please ask me to elaborate if i haven't explained this advantage well enough) rude the sql dude (playing around with taglines; this was one of the early rejections) From mwarden at mattwarden.com Thu Aug 2 11:40:59 2001 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Thu Aug 2 11:40:59 2001 Subject: [thesite] database: Attributes table In-Reply-To: <01c11b6f$b68b8040$ec4b149a@rudy> Message-ID: On Aug 2, rudy had something to say about Re: [thesite] database:... >> can someone explain exactly what the intended use of >> Attributes was? is it member attributes, general attributes, >> or what? > >would you like the quickee explanation or the detailed article i've been >promising for a year or so to write? I dunno, which one is this? =) > attribute ---- 1-m ---- membattr ---- m-1 ---- member > >sample attributes: url, phone, icq#, photo Yeah, I got that... >membattr was originally shown in early data model diagrams as having a pk >consisting of the concatenated fk's to member and attribute -- that's >wrong, as we do want multiple occurrences of the same concatenated fk's (a >member can list more than one url, for example), so membattr has its own >sequence-generated pk > >helps? Not really. Basically, I have a similar idea I want to apply to something other than member. I was to add attributes to something else, and I was wondering if the attribute table was only for member attributes. It looks like it is. If so, I can do one of two things: (a) add a column (and maybe a separate lookup table) speciying attribute type (what it applies to) (b) add a separate table for these attributes (a) will probably break code if this idea is being implemented anywhere. From the data that is in the database cut i have, it doens't look like it is. please verify. I'm leaning towards (a) if for no other reason than it would be hard to name the table for (b) and hae it make sense to anyone looking at the schema. This is for feo, btw. Thanks, -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From r937 at interlog.com Fri Aug 3 12:22:57 2001 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Fri Aug 3 12:22:57 2001 Subject: [thesite] database: Attributes table Message-ID: <01c11c40$dc500180$e448149a@rudy> > Basically, I have a similar idea I want to apply to something other > than member. I was to add attributes to something else, and I was > wondering if the attribute table was only for member attributes. > It looks like it is. yes, it is > If so, I can do one of two things: > > (a) add a column (and maybe a separate lookup table) > speciying attribute type (what it applies to) > (b) add a separate table for these attributes looks like you are talking about a generic code table i went and dug out an old page about the design of generic code tables for a large project i worked on a few years ago i've posted it on my site, because i thought it might be valuable at least to let you see the two options we considered http://r937.com/typetbls.htm if you think this would make a good article, i'll add it to the backlog ;o) anyhow, the point is, if you see yourself declaring code tables all over the place, you have to balance the complexity of the generic code table approach (it involves another join to resolve descriptions) against flexibility (one admin interface for any codes in the application, easy to add additional language support, etc.) rudy From djc at starkmedia.com Fri Aug 3 15:16:25 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Fri Aug 3 15:16:25 2001 Subject: [thesite] test.. Message-ID: <3B6B061E.3040707@starkmedia.com> delete :) From mwarden at mattwarden.com Sat Aug 4 14:29:09 2001 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Sat Aug 4 14:29:09 2001 Subject: [thesite] database: Attributes table In-Reply-To: <01c11c40$dc500180$e448149a@rudy> Message-ID: On Aug 3, rudy had something to say about Re: [thesite] database:... >> (a) add a column (and maybe a separate lookup table) >> speciying attribute type (what it applies to) >> (b) add a separate table for these attributes > >looks like you are talking about a generic code table Pretty much, but I'd only be using the attribute_type table as a reference... so people poking in the db don't have to look in the code. To me these two are equivalent: memberattrtype = "member" select foo from attribute where attrtype='#memberattrtype#' select foo from attribute where attrtype=#memberattrtype# accompanied by the lookup table in the db: +-----------------------+ | ATTRIBUTETYPE | +-----------------------+ | attrid | attrtypedesc | +=======================+ | 1 | member | | 2 | user | | 3 | content | ... +-----------------------+ Truthfully, I just wanted to make some ASCII art. The point is that I wouldn't be using the ATTRIBUTETYPE table for anything in the code. It's just a reference. Maybe a waste of space, I dunno, but it sure puts more meaning into 1, 2, 3. >if you think this would make a good article, i'll add it to the backlog >;o) You betcha. >anyhow, the point is, if you see yourself declaring code tables all over >the place, you have to balance the complexity of the generic code table >approach (it involves another join to resolve descriptions) against >flexibility (one admin interface for any codes in the application, easy to >add additional language support, etc.) Ok, so now that you know it ain't gonna add any joins, what do you say? I'm more or less looking towards evolt3.0 where one of the things that will have to be fixed is copies of the member table for each subsite. I assume that one way this could be fixed is to make one database for all *eo sites. I don't want to wipe that out as a possibility because odd-ball feo requires an extra table and column that doesn't exist in the weo database. More principle than the effects of this addition alone. Ya know? Not to spark an evolt3.0 discussion or anything. /bow rudy thanks, -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From r937 at interlog.com Sat Aug 4 15:21:50 2001 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Sat Aug 4 15:21:50 2001 Subject: [thesite] database: Attributes table Message-ID: <01c11d23$56636560$fa48149a@rudy> > I'm more or less looking towards evolt3.0 where one of the > things that will have to be fixed is copies of the member table > for each subsite. um, i don't see 3.0 solving that problem, since we are futzing things up now kinda like saying "i'm looking forward to the day they solve the problem of wanton pollution and resource consumption" when in reality, this will occur only if we tackle them now your idea of a table that will not be joined is a (pardon the pun) rudimentary data dictionary when i was *cough* younger *cough* i spent years specializing in data dictionaries you don't hear much about data dictionaries nowadays, as most projects to implement them fail spectacularly > I assume that one way this could be fixed is to make one database > for all *eo sites. that's one way, but so far, nobody has declared a state of emergency still, it is nice to consider all the options beforehand > I don't want to wipe that out as a possibility because odd-ball > feo requires an extra table and column that doesn't exist in the > weo database. More principle than the effects of this addition alone. > Ya know? but of course it is not just the principle, either some very pragmatic implications depend on how we handle calving of applications -- both the database and the code (like that word? "calving" as in cloning, genetic reproduction, offshoots, cuttings...) personally, i prefer one schema -- i come from the old school that says a rose is a rose (and therefore in real life your database may need a rose type code, and maybe a thing type code where a rose has to reference what kind of a thing it is... okay, substitute rose type with recipe type... but i digress...) so if you need attribute type, as a new column and/or a table, i would be curious why the other *eo apps haven't needed it yet, or if you're the first, what is it doing for you that the other apps can also use... but i would prolly still go ahead and do it for you (except you, matt, can, as my german brother roland would say, "tu it yourselbst") some people (sadly, many of them in my experience in positions of power) insist that the way to solve this whole problem is to have "checkin/checkout" -- remember, we are really talking about both database and code -- and therefore impose a "superstructure" of which all apps are subsets me, i don't care what counts with me is this -- where is "the" data? sounds contrite, almost silly, but just take as example the question of evolt users and members where does user and member data come from? how often does it change? who changes it? which applications have to have it? see, as far as i'm concerned, there is only "the" data, and if separate apps have separate databases with concomitant separate update procedures then there's a good chance they'll have separate versions of "the" data, now, isn't there? oh, the individual databases themselves, taken individually, might not be *wrong* per se (as in bad data) but there sure could be inconsistencies and confusion and emails in the dark of night asking "please, can you please reset my password, i went to the admin page but i'm not showing up!!!" but don't go by me, because while i can model all sorts of ways of dealing with these problems (and worse -- including tracking the time dimension, as they do in data warehousing), what we implement will depend on what we code, and you know what always happens? when it gets to the crunch, the moment of truth, when the rubber hits the road, when push comes to shove, when we're finally down to the short strokes -- as it were; me, i wouldn't know -- everything depends on the guy faced with the job of doing the coding changing a schema takes a couple of minutes, but that's not as hard as deciding whether to change it or not in the first place often the coder can have something coded and working based on what he thinks the way to go is before the data modeller can get his finger outta, er, i mean, can make a recommendation about which way to go... > Not to spark an evolt3.0 discussion or anything. heaven forfend ;o) no, this discussion is timeless, so if you want to go further into it, i'm game rudy From mwarden at mattwarden.com Sat Aug 4 16:29:27 2001 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Sat Aug 4 16:29:27 2001 Subject: [thesite] database: Attributes table In-Reply-To: <01c11d23$56636560$fa48149a@rudy> Message-ID: Thanks for the quick response, rudeman... On Aug 4, rudy had something to say about Re: [thesite] database:... >> I'm more or less looking towards evolt3.0 where one of the >> things that will have to be fixed is copies of the member table >> for each subsite. > >um, i don't see 3.0 solving that problem, since we are futzing things up >now Hmmm... care to elaborate? Maybe I'm living in Potheadsville, Wisconsin here, but what i was thinking was that the evolt3 database would be much like the evolt2 database but with another field called SITEID or sumfin. Like, category (not content) would have a SITEID... and I'm sure other tables would need it, but I'm just not in the mood to think about that ATM. >kinda like saying "i'm looking forward to the day they solve the problem of >wanton pollution and resource consumption" when in reality, this will occur >only if we tackle them now I dunno about that. We Americans are just completely ignoring the problem and the world hasn't blown up yet. Accurrate scientific reasoning suggests that since this has yet to become a serious problem, it never will be. *cough* >your idea of a table that will not be joined is a (pardon the pun) >rudimentary data dictionary Ok, admit it. You just made that up. >when i was *cough* younger *cough* Would that be before or after I was born? *duck* What? Oh yeah, the database... >> I assume that one way this could be fixed is to make one database >> for all *eo sites. > >that's one way, but so far, nobody has declared a state of emergency Well, can I? I still haven't figured out 100% how I'm going to work the synchronizing of the member tables. I've narrowed it down to two possible solutions, both of which seem a bit ugly to me and break independence of weo and feo data source names. Maybe that's no big deal, but it's not ideal. Fwiw, this has been on my mind for a long time. You remember that talk about an evolt passport that dan was working on? Well, that was prompted by this. Here's the deal with this shit: - inserts go one way from weo to feo. there will be no feo signup form. user X clicks the "sign up" or "join" link on feo and gets sent to the weo sign up page. the weo sign up page will have to be modified to be able to redirect back to weo. as far as going from feo's design, to weo's design on its contact form, and back to feo... I think we're SOL there. - updates to Joe User's record on weo will no propogate to feo's member records. Synchronizing methods: 1. Don't like this as much. I write a script that imports new records in weo to feo's database. It gets set up in cron to run every x minutes. This means i have to keep track of what records I've inserted already. Plus there will always be a delay of up to x minutes before a new user can log into feo. Ick. 2. Leaning towards this. Insert of new record from weo to feo happens only when a user visits feo and their member id isn't found in the database. I then query weo and import a copy of that record into feo's database. However, this means that the import process consists of: (a) querying feo (b) querying weo (c) inserting into feo So I dunno. And with #2, the tables won't actually be synched. Not that it matters. Then there's also the issue of the sequences. I'm assuming you have one global sequence for a reason. Well, importing from weo means that the member table in feo will really be based on weo's sequence. Not a big deal as far as the uniqueness of the member table's PK because no member records will be inserted based on feo's sequence. But, it seems messy and if there is a reason you are using a global sequence, well, this will no doubt fuck that up royally. We could always bump the sequence up, but i think that's a losing battle considering weo will be more popular that feo (at least until I wipe out feo's competition with strategic ddos attacks). Speaking of: X-No-Archive: Yes >so if you need attribute type, as a new column and/or a table, i would be >curious why the other *eo apps haven't needed it yet, Well, right now it's just weo and feo running the evolt CMS, eh? It's just the nature of the content. And this is about content. THe nature of weo's content just doesn't need metadata (oh, you have no idea how long i've wanted to use that word. oh well. enough metadata.). If there is an article about ASP or relational integrity (*cough*), those words will most likely show up in the content body, and therefore is easily searchable. Recipes... not so much. Structured metadata. >or if you're the >first, what is it doing for you that the other apps can also use... Other apps could surely use it. Though I don't see much use for it on weo. >but i >would prolly still go ahead and do it for you (except you, matt, can, as >my german brother roland would say, "tu it yourselbst") Ich bein ein DBA? "Me fail English? That's unpossible!" There must have been a door there in The Wall. er... oh yeah... database... >where does user and member data come from? how often does it change? who >changes it? which applications have to have it? Well, you're starting to sound like an old boss of mine who would ask those questions, but obviously didn't know what the answers meant. I know you know what the answers mean and aren't just asking the questions to hear your own voice, but, well, it's still scary, so I'll just move on. >see, as far as i'm concerned, there is only "the" data, and if separate >apps have separate databases with concomitant separate update procedures >then there's a good chance they'll have separate versions of "the" data, >now, isn't there? oh, the individual databases themselves, taken >individually, might not be *wrong* per se (as in bad data) but there sure >could be inconsistencies and confusion and emails in the dark of night >asking "please, can you please reset my password, i went to the admin page >but i'm not showing up!!!" Yeah. One of the things is, Joe Users's feo member id has to be the same as his weo member id. Well, it doesn't have to, but for me to do what I want it does. And there's usually hell to pay if I don't get what I want. I mean, just ask dan. You don't think he just let me take over feo, did you? That broken foot of his is *not* a coincidence. >but don't go by me, because while i can model all sorts of ways of dealing >with these problems (and worse -- including tracking the time dimension, as >they do in data warehousing), what we implement will depend on what we >code, and you know what always happens? when it gets to the crunch, the >moment of truth, when the rubber hits the road, when push comes to shove, >when we're finally down to the short strokes -- as it were; me, i wouldn't >know -- everything depends on the guy faced with the job of doing the >coding clich`es (and rhymes) aside, any help/insight you provide... is much appreciated. >changing a schema takes a couple of minutes, but that's not as hard as >deciding whether to change it or not in the first place Werd. >often the coder can have something coded and working based on what he >thinks the way to go is before the data modeller can get his finger outta, >er, i mean, can make a recommendation about which way to go... Well, as you can see, I have thoughts on the subject. But one of my weaknesses is seeing how changes to the database side of things NOW will effect things down the road. That's where you step in, I think. >> Not to spark an evolt3.0 discussion or anything. > >heaven forfend Had to look that up btw. But, you knew that. >no, this discussion is timeless, so if you want to go further into it, i'm >game Well, your shot, I guess. thelist has been too quiet lately anyways. =) Thanks bro, -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From michele at wordpro.on.ca Sat Aug 4 16:57:47 2001 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Sat Aug 4 16:57:47 2001 Subject: [thesite] database: Attributes table References: Message-ID: <000801c11d30$cb8dfb40$36eda1d1@mef> Listening to you guys banter back and forth ... I'm starting to think that this issue is more important to deal with now than some of the other ideas we've had for codefest 2.0 this fall. This will impact members pages .. whatever they may end up being. In fact, I think its more important to synch the data, get the members tables sorted out and go from there... before we build the members pages. a.e.o. already includes a selected few members in its database .. independent of weo's members, tho the information is (or was) the same (Dan correct me if I'm wrong). d.e.o. could (should?) use members' data one of these days. m.e.o. - we won't go there yet.. but again, its got its own members' database of sorts.. partially, now, synched with weo (if I understand correctly). Based on whatever rules are put in place for meo accounts, it will probably become more important that the data be synched... especially if we decide to give accounts only to those that actually contribute in a positive, or shall I use Dan's term, non-trivial way to evolt.org. l.e.o. - another ballgame altogether. One day, I would like to see the option to edit all of my members' data on one page, including list subs/unsubs, personal info, etc. Also, sounds to me like we need to consider a few additional priv levels. Now and into the future. What's she talking about, you ask .. (1) a.e.o. members should have a unique priv level, so that the members info is called from the main members' tables. (2) additional editors/reviewers for articles (admin issue atm) (3) evolt.org CORP members .. I know this hasn't been discussed in any great detail yet, but there are requirements that theBoard must meet, in so far as notifying its membership of upcoming meetings, voting, etc. We'll need a way to keep track of those members that are members of the Corporation, not just weo/feo members. Those members *may* also need to have privs to certain information, such as proxy voting via web based interface (if that should be the way we go). Anyway, I'm rambling .. but I do think this is something we should consider sorting out in the very near future, and not wait until evolt3.0. My thoughts .. Michele From djc at starkmedia.com Mon Aug 6 12:11:06 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Mon Aug 6 12:11:06 2001 Subject: [thesite] Re: [Admin] Is somebody trawling the thelist for addresses? References: <3B6E8121.5060102@members.evolt.org> Message-ID: <3B6ECEEC.8090407@starkmedia.com> actually, this email address is in your php article seb, which is probably where they got it from(cus its in clear text) i've noticed a bit more spam in the last 6 months too.. 2 weeks ago i put a little something on weo's robots.txt file: Disallow: /user/ Disallow: /email-addresses/ disallowing /user/ should be obvious. /email-addresses/ is not a directory, but i wanted to see what(if any) 'bad' spiders were not following the rules of our robots.txt file and going to a directory where they'd been told not to.. so far, i haven't seen anything try to access that directory. in fact, the agent ID on every client that has accessed /user in the past 7 days reveals nothing too crazy in terms of wacky bots(one exception being http://www.relevare.com/main.html ) one thing that *DOES* stand out is when i run the following command on the access log: [root at weo httpd]# grep /user/ weo.access.log | awk '{print $1 $12 $13 $14}' | grep Wget | sort -n | uniq that searches for /user/ in weo.access.log then prings out the 1st, 12th-14th fields in that recordset. then from that recordset it searches for Wget, sorts them, and returns uniq entries(no duplicates)(unix rules btw :) here is the output from that: 24.128.27.97"Wget/1.6" 24.131.173.198"Wget/1.6" 63.166.100.25"Wget/1.6" 63.229.76.54"Wget/1.6" 64.0.245.226"Wget/1.6" 64.109.118.166"Wget/1.6" 65.11.108.159"Wget/1.6" 130.235.58.23"Wget/1.6" 131.155.14.130"Wget/1.6" 137.99.160.140"Wget/1.6" 152.66.208.134"Wget/1.6" 193.128.104.225"Wget/1.6" 193.83.146.25"Wget/1.6" 194.163.249.110"Wget/1.6" 194.18.231.22"Wget/1.6" 208.128.7.215"Wget/1.6" 209.63.82.11"Wget/1.6" 213.221.113.36"Wget/1.6" 216.183.203.7"Wget/1.6" 216.190.193.30"Wget/1.6" nothing there to crazy, except the last couple come from eli.net(elictric lightwave, an isp apparently) anda couple @home addys at the front. wget is a mass downloader type application.. some use it to get a site for offline browsing, others to rip entire websites. anyways, maybe we should block clients that return Wget* in their agent string and see if that helps at all? .djc. (copying thesite FYI) seb wrote: > Hi guys, > > I just got the following spam sent to php_tutor at sebpotter.org > > Now, this isn't an unusual occurence, except for the fact that I've only > used this email address once, ever, in a post to thelist. > > Has some scuzbucket been trawling the archives and harvesting addresses, > or is this worse, and somebody has actually signed a bot up to thelist > to do some real spamage? > > Seb. > > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > From: - Mon Aug 06 12:11:19 2001 > X-UIDL: <280.154157.868423 at aol.com> > X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 > X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 > Return-Path: > Received: from mail-out.namezero.com (mail-out.namezero.com > [216.34.13.235]) by leo.evolt.org (8.11.4/8.11.1) with ESMTP id > f765Vs020718 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 00:31:54 -0500 > EvoltDate: Mon Aug 6 00:31:54 2001 > EvoltDate1: 200108060531 > Received: from bronze.backend.namezero.com ([10.0.0.4] helo=bronze) by > mail-out.namezero.com with esmtp (Exim 3.30 #1) id 15Td1M-0001Lo-00 for > seb at admin.evolt.org; Sun, 05 Aug 2001 22:33:44 -0700 > Received: from femail21.sdc1.sfba.home.com (HELO > femail21.sdc1.sfba.home.com) (femail21.sdc1.sfba.home.com/24.0.95.146) > by bronze with SMTP; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 22:33:57 -0700 (PDT) Apparently > from: bighooters at aol.com On behalf of: php_tutor at sebpotter.org > Received: from yahoo.com ([24.18.196.149]) by > femail21.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 > 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id > <20010806053355.FEIO3213.femail21.sdc1.sfba.home.com at yahoo.com> for > ; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 22:33:55 -0700 > From: > To: php_tutor at sebpotter.org > Subject: Bmw Newsletter > Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 01:33:58 > Message-Id: <280.154157.868423 at aol.com> > Reply-To: BmwTuner2001 at yahoo.com > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" > X-NZ-Hop-Count: 1 > > > > > > *_ Sign up for Free BMW Newsletter_* > > > > > Here's your chance to *Join* the BMW newsletter solely dedicated to > enhancing Your *BMW* . > *_Learn more about :_* > > * > > How to improve handling on your BMW > > * > > Increase acceleration > > * > > New lighting upgrades > > * > > How to improve braking > > * > > Tips on maintaining and caring for your Investment > > Why miss out on a great opportunity? Subscribe for free by sending an > email with the subject header * subscribe to BMW Newsletter *to > BMWtuner2001 at yahoo.com > > > > if you care not to receive anymore solicitations, send an email to > removeBMWtuner at yahoo.com > > > /*Ac Schnitzer 3 series*/ > > From peter at vardus.com Tue Aug 7 07:55:56 2001 From: peter at vardus.com (Peter) Date: Tue Aug 7 07:55:56 2001 Subject: [thesite] More on feo In-Reply-To: <20010802132622.723e355c.garrett@polytechnic.co.uk> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010807135206.02707090@mail.vardus.net> Feo means "ugly one" in spanish. From djc at starkmedia.com Tue Aug 7 11:53:35 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Tue Aug 7 11:53:35 2001 Subject: [thesite] database: Attributes table References: <000801c11d30$cb8dfb40$36eda1d1@mef> Message-ID: <3B701BAE.2090904@starkmedia.com> Michele Foster wrote: > a.e.o. already includes a selected few members in its database .. > independent of weo's members, tho the information is (or was) the same (Dan > correct me if I'm wrong). ya, the info is the same, and i'm pulling peoples 'profiles' into a.e.o so they can log in. > d.e.o. could (should?) use members' data one of these days. what on d.e.o neds members data? the submission form is anonymous right? > m.e.o. - we won't go there yet.. but again, its got its own members' > database of sorts.. partially, now, synched with weo (if I understand > correctly). Based on whatever rules are put in place for meo accounts, it > will probably become more important that the data be synched... especially > if we decide to give accounts only to those that actually contribute in a > positive, or shall I use Dan's term, non-trivial way to evolt.org. actually, people have to have a w.e.o account to get a m.e.o account now. much easier that way :) > l.e.o. - another ballgame altogether. One day, I would like to see the > option to edit all of my members' data on one page, including list > subs/unsubs, personal info, etc. yup > Also, sounds to me like we need to consider a few additional priv levels. > Now and into the future. What's she talking about, you ask .. > > (1) a.e.o. members should have a unique priv level, so that the members info > is called from the main members' tables. ya, the only problem with that though is there are unique levels within a.e.o that don't match up with the priv scheme from w.e.o - although it wouldn't be a huge deal to change a.e.o to conform > (2) additional editors/reviewers for articles (admin issue atm) oy. i'lm going to bring this onto thesite to see what people think soon. > (3) evolt.org CORP members .. I know this hasn't been discussed in any great > detail yet, but there are requirements that theBoard must meet, in so far as > notifying its membership of upcoming meetings, voting, etc. We'll need a > way to keep track of those members that are members of the Corporation, not > just weo/feo members. Those members *may* also need to have privs to > certain information, such as proxy voting via web based interface (if i dont know if we'll want to open up voting to something like a web based interface. email is easier to deal with and validate.. thanks for bring these up mich, lots of stuff to talk about. .djc. From djc at starkmedia.com Tue Aug 7 14:28:26 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Tue Aug 7 14:28:26 2001 Subject: [thesite] codefest Message-ID: <3B703FF0.7030009@starkmedia.com> hey all - just thinking about the next codefest and october 26th seemed like a nice time to have it :) thoughts? From sgd at ti3.com Tue Aug 7 14:29:34 2001 From: sgd at ti3.com (Scott Dexter) Date: Tue Aug 7 14:29:34 2001 Subject: [thesite] codefest Message-ID: at your place? I'd be in, though I fear I'd be there just for comic relief.... sgd > -----Original Message----- > From: Daniel J. Cody [mailto:djc at starkmedia.com] > > just thinking about the next codefest and october 26th seemed like a > nice time to have it :) > From mwarden at mattwarden.com Tue Aug 7 14:33:20 2001 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Tue Aug 7 14:33:20 2001 Subject: [thesite] codefest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well, if scott's there, I'm there. -- mattwarden mattwardem.com On Aug 7, Scott Dexter had something to say about RE: [thesite] codefest >at your place? > >I'd be in, though I fear I'd be there just for comic relief.... > >sgd > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Daniel J. Cody [mailto:djc at starkmedia.com] >> >> just thinking about the next codefest and october 26th seemed like a >> nice time to have it :) >> From djc at starkmedia.com Tue Aug 7 14:38:16 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Tue Aug 7 14:38:16 2001 Subject: [thesite] codefest References: Message-ID: <3B70423E.3010505@starkmedia.com> yup. the bonus this year is i dont live 1.5 hours from the airport/train station. milwaukee(where i'm at now) is 1 hour north of chicago(cheap flights) and we have an amtrak station if the leisurely route is more your game. all are invited, i'll probably just get rooms for everyone. laptops are recommened but not required in case you like your own software configs. cold fusion also isnt'a requirment, in fact our biggest problem last year was lack of jeff, rudy or I knowing enough HTML/CSS we'd actually do the work here at the office though cus theres plenty of room for people, its on the same network as evolt, and we have a decent sized fridge for beer. :) Scott Dexter wrote: > at your place? > > I'd be in, though I fear I'd be there just for comic relief.... > > sgd > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Daniel J. Cody [mailto:djc at starkmedia.com] >> >>just thinking about the next codefest and october 26th seemed like a >>nice time to have it :) >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > For unsubscribe, archive, and options, go to: > http://lists.evolt.org/mailman/listinfo/thesite > From sgd at ti3.com Tue Aug 7 14:40:42 2001 From: sgd at ti3.com (Scott Dexter) Date: Tue Aug 7 14:40:42 2001 Subject: [thesite] codefest Message-ID: I get to sit next to Matt! (I may regret that) dex > -----Original Message----- > From: Daniel J. Cody [mailto:djc at starkmedia.com] > > all are invited, i'll probably just get rooms for everyone. From michele at wordpro.on.ca Tue Aug 7 15:05:25 2001 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Tue Aug 7 15:05:25 2001 Subject: [thesite] codefest References: Message-ID: <021a01c11f7c$5ecbb9e0$76eda1d1@mef> hehehehe he's very quiet IRL either that or Dan and I talk too much .. take your pick ;) Mich (has to find a job real quick) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Dexter" | I get to sit next to Matt! | | (I may regret that) | | dex From roselli at earthlink.net Tue Aug 7 15:05:52 2001 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Tue Aug 7 15:05:52 2001 Subject: [thesite] codefest In-Reply-To: <3B703FF0.7030009@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <200108072005.f77K5p007938@leo.evolt.org> > From: "Daniel J. Cody" > > just thinking about the next codefest and october 26th seemed like a > nice time to have it :) why that day? Portland? From roselli at earthlink.net Tue Aug 7 15:05:53 2001 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Tue Aug 7 15:05:53 2001 Subject: [thesite] codefest In-Reply-To: <3B70423E.3010505@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <200108072005.f77K5q007942@leo.evolt.org> > From: "Daniel J. Cody" [...] > yup. the bonus this year is i dont live 1.5 hours from the > airport/train station. milwaukee(where i'm at now) is 1 hour north of > chicago(cheap flights) and we have an amtrak station if the leisurely > route is more your game. mmm... buffalo to chicago... cheap... too long to drive, though, for a weekender... > all are invited, i'll probably just get rooms for everyone. laptops > are recommened but not required in case you like your own software > configs. floors in apartments are good... i travel with my own towel... and i have a happily underpowered laptop, too... > cold fusion also isnt'a requirment, in fact our biggest problem last > year was lack of jeff, rudy or I knowing enough HTML/CSS i'm down with that, although i'm much more removed from the code than i was... > we'd actually do the work here at the office though cus theres plenty > of room for people, its on the same network as evolt, and we have a > decent sized fridge for beer. :) did someone say Unreal Tournament or Quake3 LAN party? From jeff at members.evolt.org Tue Aug 7 15:39:19 2001 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff) Date: Tue Aug 7 15:39:19 2001 Subject: [thesite] codefest In-Reply-To: <3B703FF0.7030009@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: djc, ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > From: Daniel J. Cody > > just thinking about the next codefest and october 26th > seemed like a nice time to have it :) > > thoughts? ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< well, with the baby due around the 1st of november i'm afraid that the 26th is far too close for comfort for me. either earlier in october (like no later than second week) or late november/early december. just my 2c, .jeff http://evolt.org/ jeff at members.evolt.org http://members.evolt.org/jeff/ From sgd at ti3.com Tue Aug 7 15:40:19 2001 From: sgd at ti3.com (Scott Dexter) Date: Tue Aug 7 15:40:19 2001 Subject: [thesite] codefest Message-ID: > mmm... buffalo to chicago... cheap... Dallas to Chi-town: $200 Dallas to Milwaukee: $279 either way, very doable... > > floors in apartments are good... i travel with my own towel... and i > have a happily underpowered laptop, too... I'll have my toofbrush, towel, and 4 yr old Dell laptop with Win95 all ready to kick ass! > > > we'd actually do the work here at the office though cus > theres plenty > > of room for people, its on the same network as evolt, and we have a > > decent sized fridge for beer. :) > > did someone say Unreal Tournament or Quake3 LAN party? Can we rummage around your offices too? That'd be c00l dex From mccreath at ak.net Tue Aug 7 15:51:02 2001 From: mccreath at ak.net (mccreath) Date: Tue Aug 7 15:51:02 2001 Subject: [thesite] codefest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I get to sit on the other side of the room from Matt and Dex! Distance makes cheese puff hurling much more challenging and manly. Besides I want a good seat for the Monopolowa vs raspberry-vodka-with-tang discussion. Put me down as tentative, Dan. I gotta check schedules and airfares, but this is good timing cuz we're currently have a price war going on in Alaska. :) David > -----Original Message----- > From: thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org > [mailto:thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Scott Dexter > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 11:41 AM > To: thesite at lists.evolt.org > Subject: RE: [thesite] codefest > > > I get to sit next to Matt! > > (I may regret that) > > dex > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Daniel J. Cody [mailto:djc at starkmedia.com] > > > > all are invited, i'll probably just get rooms for everyone. > > _______________________________________________ > For unsubscribe, archive, and options, go to: > http://lists.evolt.org/mailman/listinfo/thesite From mccreath at ak.net Tue Aug 7 15:51:04 2001 From: mccreath at ak.net (David Mccreath) Date: Tue Aug 7 15:51:04 2001 Subject: [thesite] codefest Message-ID: <5062665044e6.5044e6506266@augustine.gci.net> I get to sit across the room from Dex and Matt! Flinging cheese puffs is more sporting if there's distance involved. Besides, I want a good seat when the raspberry-vodka-with-tang vs. Monopolowa conversation starts. I just saw .jeff's note about the date, and I'm pretty flexible. I don't wanna try to get in or out of here around Thanksgiving, but other than that, I'm pretty easy. (something similar to this may show up later ... my pop account is acting weird.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Dexter" > I get to sit next to Matt! > > (I may regret that) > > dex > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Daniel J. Cody [mailto:djc at starkmedia.com] > > > > all are invited, i'll probably just get rooms for everyone. > From mccreath at ak.net Tue Aug 7 16:09:58 2001 From: mccreath at ak.net (David Mccreath) Date: Tue Aug 7 16:09:58 2001 Subject: [thesite] codefest Message-ID: <50ba50508c2a.508c2a50ba50@augustine.gci.net> [ and then mccreath kept repeating himself, telling the same stupid joke repeatedly, each time hoping it would be funny ] stupid email. ;p The important difference between the two is acknowledging .jeff's concerns about baby timing. David ----- Original Message ----- From: David Mccreath Date: Tuesday, August 7, 2001 12:49 pm Subject: Re: RE: [thesite] codefest > I get to sit across the room from Dex and Matt! Flinging cheese > puffs > is more sporting if there's distance involved. Besides, I want a > good > seat when the raspberry-vodka-with-tang vs. Monopolowa > conversation > starts. > > I just saw .jeff's note about the date, and I'm pretty flexible. I > don't wanna try to get in or out of here around Thanksgiving, but > other > than that, I'm pretty easy. > > (something similar to this may show up later ... my pop account is > acting weird.) > From djc at starkmedia.com Wed Aug 8 12:53:26 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Wed Aug 8 12:53:26 2001 Subject: [thesite] user power cubes.. Message-ID: <3B717B08.6080303@starkmedia.com> hidy ho a couple months(ay!) back we mentioned that it would be cool to give members recognition for conrtibuting to evolt.. i mentioned something like the ebay stars thing( http://pages.ebay.com/help/basics/g-stars.html ) and we debated whether or not to use cubes.. well i've put something up to take a look at. i'm only using cubes as an example here, it doesn't have to be that, its open to discussion(check out my anti aliasing on the little icons, i am a l33t graphix designer! w00p!! ;) here's a sample article page(some work needs to be done on positioning probably) from me and matt: i have 150+ articles, so i get the full cube to denote that i'm 'full of evolt spirit' or something http://test.evolt.org/article/f/17/14332/index.html matt on the other hand has less than 15 articles(i broke it up into 1-15, 16-35, 35+ for this example, it could be anything) so he gets one color of his cube filled http://test.evolt.org/article/f/18/9279/index.html if someone had 16-35 articles, they'd get two cubes filled. these could go on the users page next to their name, and maybe on the front page(?). it doesn't have to be cubes either, if osmeone has a better idea, rock. one problem i see already with cubes though is there are only 3 'levels' you can be at, which kinda sucks.. matt mentioned maybe having an all gold or all silver cube to denote super high conritbuters too. thoughts??? .djc. From djc at starkmedia.com Wed Aug 8 12:58:10 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Wed Aug 8 12:58:10 2001 Subject: [thesite] codefest References: Message-ID: <3B717C24.9000806@starkmedia.com> ok, since jeff decided to be 'responsible' and bring a child into this world ;) would anyone have a problem moving it back to october the 12th?? its still pretty arbitrary, and flights should be just about as cheap. sound ok? mccreath wrote: > I get to sit on the other side of the room from Matt and Dex! Distance makes > cheese puff hurling much more challenging and manly. Besides I want a good > seat for the Monopolowa vs raspberry-vodka-with-tang discussion. > > Put me down as tentative, Dan. I gotta check schedules and airfares, but > this is good timing cuz we're currently have a price war going on in Alaska. > :) > > David > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org >>[mailto:thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Scott Dexter >>Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 11:41 AM >>To: thesite at lists.evolt.org >>Subject: RE: [thesite] codefest >> >> >>I get to sit next to Matt! >> >>(I may regret that) >> >>dex >> >> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Daniel J. Cody [mailto:djc at starkmedia.com] >>> >>>all are invited, i'll probably just get rooms for everyone. >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>For unsubscribe, archive, and options, go to: >>http://lists.evolt.org/mailman/listinfo/thesite >> > > > _______________________________________________ > For unsubscribe, archive, and options, go to: > http://lists.evolt.org/mailman/listinfo/thesite > From mccreath at ak.net Wed Aug 8 13:05:22 2001 From: mccreath at ak.net (David Mccreath) Date: Wed Aug 8 13:05:22 2001 Subject: [thesite] codefest Message-ID: <59076b593aaa.593aaa59076b@augustine.gci.net> Cool wit' me. Jeff? From my experience it'll be easier for you to get away *before* the sprat arrives than after, but that's just me. :) David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel J. Cody" > ok, since jeff decided to be 'responsible' and bring a child into > this world ;) would anyone have a problem moving it back to october > the 12th?? > its still pretty arbitrary, and flights should be just about as cheap. > > sound ok? From mccreath at ak.net Wed Aug 8 13:11:43 2001 From: mccreath at ak.net (David Mccreath) Date: Wed Aug 8 13:11:43 2001 Subject: [thesite] user power cubes.. Message-ID: <59079f592521.59252159079f@augustine.gci.net> I have some rough ideas that I worked on during the original conversation, but I never uploaded them. I'll do that this evening David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel J. Cody" Date: Wednesday, August 8, 2001 9:46 am Subject: [thesite] user power cubes.. > hidy ho > > a couple months(ay!) back we mentioned that it would be cool to > give > members recognition for conrtibuting to evolt.. i mentioned > something > like the ebay stars thing( > http://pages.ebay.com/help/basics/g-stars.html ) and we debated > whether > or not to use cubes.. > > well i've put something up to take a look at. i'm only using cubes > as an > example here, it doesn't have to be that, its open to > discussion(check > out my anti aliasing on the little icons, i am a l33t graphix > designer! > w00p!! ;) > > here's a sample article page(some work needs to be done on > positioning > probably) from me and matt: > > i have 150+ articles, so i get the full cube to denote that i'm > 'full of > evolt spirit' or something > > http://test.evolt.or > > matt on the other hand has less than 15 articles(i broke it up > into > 1-15, 16-35, 35+ for this example, it could be anything) so he > gets one > color of his cube filled > > http://test.evolt.or > > if someone had 16-35 articles, they'd get two cubes filled. > > these could go on the users page next to their name, and maybe on > the > front page(?). it doesn't have to be cubes either, if osmeone has > a > better idea, rock. > > one problem i see already with cubes though is there are only 3 > 'levels' > you can be at, which kinda sucks.. matt mentioned maybe having an > all > gold or all silver cube to denote super high conritbuters too. > > thoughts??? > > .djc. > > > _______________________________________________ > For unsubscribe, archive, and options, go to: > http://lists.evolt.org/mailman/listinfo/thesite > From djc at starkmedia.com Wed Aug 8 14:04:03 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Wed Aug 8 14:04:03 2001 Subject: [thesite] favor if any CF folks have time.. Message-ID: <3B718B92.6040407@starkmedia.com> If anyone that has a decent amount of CF knowledge has the time, I could use some feedback on the second part of my bulk mailer article on the evolt website. this gets a bitmore in depth into expression switching and includes, and i just wanted to have a second set of eyes check it out before it gets approved. http://members.evolt.org/djc/temp/cfarticle.html send comments or suggestions back here, and thanks :) .djc. From sgd at ti3.com Wed Aug 8 14:05:54 2001 From: sgd at ti3.com (Scott Dexter) Date: Wed Aug 8 14:05:54 2001 Subject: [thesite] user power cubes.. Message-ID: > one problem i see already with cubes though is there are only > 3 'levels' > you can be at, which kinda sucks.. matt mentioned maybe having an all > gold or all silver cube to denote super high conritbuters too. > well, let's see, the red cube has 3 sides, as does the green and blue one. So I count 9 levels, and suggest coloring in clockwise direction, starting with the left-most face of each cube. so: level 1: left-most face of red cube 2: left + top of red cube 3: full red cube 4: full red + left face of green you get the idea... (for the record, I think the cubes are great, they promote identification with the evolt brand, IMHO) sgd (holy shit, was that a contribution from yours truly? did it really happen? nah. I could go make all the images though....) From sgd at ti3.com Wed Aug 8 14:07:06 2001 From: sgd at ti3.com (Scott Dexter) Date: Wed Aug 8 14:07:06 2001 Subject: [thesite] codefest Message-ID: in the immortal words of Fletch, "shure" > -----Original Message----- > From: Daniel J. Cody [mailto:djc at starkmedia.com] > world ;) would anyone have a problem moving it back to > october the 12th?? From djc at starkmedia.com Wed Aug 8 15:57:01 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Wed Aug 8 15:57:01 2001 Subject: [thesite] referer o the day.. Message-ID: <3B71A602.8090804@starkmedia.com> http://www.google.com/search?q=igloos we're the 8th result returned for igloos on google!!! we've finally 'made' it! :) From djc at starkmedia.com Wed Aug 8 15:58:50 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Wed Aug 8 15:58:50 2001 Subject: [thesite] user power cubes.. References: Message-ID: <3B71A66F.9000508@starkmedia.com> you'd probably have to make the gif a bit bigger though to see the detail there right? Scott Dexter wrote: > well, let's see, the red cube has 3 sides, as does the green and blue > one. So I count 9 levels, and suggest coloring in clockwise direction, > starting with the left-most face of each cube. so: > > level 1: left-most face of red cube > 2: left + top of red cube > 3: full red cube > 4: full red + left face of green From sgd at ti3.com Wed Aug 8 16:04:18 2001 From: sgd at ti3.com (Scott Dexter) Date: Wed Aug 8 16:04:18 2001 Subject: [thesite] user power cubes.. Message-ID: i don't think so, lemme funk around wid it a bit (right after my router fun I'm doing right now) > -----Original Message----- > From: Daniel J. Cody [mailto:djc at starkmedia.com] > > > you'd probably have to make the gif a bit bigger though to see the > detail there right? > > > > > level 1: left-most face of red cube > > 2: left + top of red cube > > 3: full red cube > > 4: full red + left face of green > From mccreath at ak.net Wed Aug 8 16:17:25 2001 From: mccreath at ak.net (mccreath) Date: Wed Aug 8 16:17:25 2001 Subject: [thesite] user power cubes.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: hold up two minutes, guys. I came home at lunch and I'm about to upload what I have. David > -----Original Message----- > From: thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org > [mailto:thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Scott Dexter > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 1:05 PM > To: thesite at lists.evolt.org > Subject: RE: [thesite] user power cubes.. > > > i don't think so, lemme funk around wid it a bit (right after my router > fun I'm doing right now) > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Daniel J. Cody [mailto:djc at starkmedia.com] > > > > > > you'd probably have to make the gif a bit bigger though to see the > > detail there right? > > > > > > > > level 1: left-most face of red cube > > > 2: left + top of red cube > > > 3: full red cube > > > 4: full red + left face of green > > > > _______________________________________________ > For unsubscribe, archive, and options, go to: > http://lists.evolt.org/mailman/listinfo/thesite From djc at starkmedia.com Wed Aug 8 16:21:55 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Wed Aug 8 16:21:55 2001 Subject: [thesite] user power cubes.. References: Message-ID: <3B71ABD5.3080108@starkmedia.com> Excellllent!! Zoooooooooooooom!!!! mccreath wrote: > hold up two minutes, guys. I came home at lunch and I'm about to upload what > I have. > > David > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org >>[mailto:thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Scott Dexter >>Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 1:05 PM >>To: thesite at lists.evolt.org >>Subject: RE: [thesite] user power cubes.. >> >> >>i don't think so, lemme funk around wid it a bit (right after my router >>fun I'm doing right now) >> >> >> >> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Daniel J. Cody [mailto:djc at starkmedia.com] >>> >>> >>>you'd probably have to make the gif a bit bigger though to see the >>>detail there right? >>> >>> >>>>level 1: left-most face of red cube >>>>2: left + top of red cube >>>>3: full red cube >>>>4: full red + left face of green >>>> >>_______________________________________________ >>For unsubscribe, archive, and options, go to: >>http://lists.evolt.org/mailman/listinfo/thesite >> > > > _______________________________________________ > For unsubscribe, archive, and options, go to: > http://lists.evolt.org/mailman/listinfo/thesite > From mccreath at ak.net Wed Aug 8 16:37:51 2001 From: mccreath at ak.net (mccreath) Date: Wed Aug 8 16:37:51 2001 Subject: [thesite] user power cubes.. In-Reply-To: <3B71ABD5.3080108@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: Okay: One of the points in the discussion a couple of months ago was that gold and silver are hard to recognizably render at teeny sizes and multiple resolutions. Another point (mine) was questioning the use of the logo for this, the idea being that the logo is our logo, not just a graphic doo-dad, and we shouldn't mess with it. I can post my whole argument again if you want, but I want some other opinions, too. That's why I was experimenting with the single cube. Okay, that said, here's what I have: 1. experiments with single cubes: http://members.evolt.org/mccreath/evolt/cubes/evoltratingcube1.gif and in PNG format, for those what wants it: http://members.evolt.org/mccreath/evolt/cubes/evoltratingcube1.png 2. experiments with the logo: http://members.evolt.org/mccreath/evolt/cubes/evoltratingcube2.gif and in PNG: http://members.evolt.org/mccreath/evolt/cubes/evoltratingcube2.png And what the hell, I found my message about the logo. Take it for what it's worth. I'm not making a stand, just discussing. It's identity theory, and I can be swayed. -+-+-+- Don't wanna sound like a broken record, but I'm hesitant to use the logo (cubes) in non-logo ways, especially in this sense. I know Dan just used the cubes in his explanation as an example, but I don't want people to get carried away with it. Bear with me for tick, this is anal-retentive identity stuff. The logo shows the three primary colors of the visible spectrum as we use them on a CRT, illustrating that parts combine to make a greater whole (the entire visible spectrum, or at least 32 bit color). It also shows a pyramid from expanding from the bottom up, which is another great allegory for evolt's community. If we use cubes of the same colors as the cubes in the logo, we're doing two things: 1) assigning value (qualitative or quantitative depending on how you look at it) to each color and 2) breaking up the pyramid. Both of those undermine the absolute coolness of our logo. And our logo kicks ass. Now, I like the cube/rating idea (I actually *love* cubes in general. Making a perfect cube out of pencil steel is one of the hardest things to learn in welding; it's a rite of passage.). But we need to specficially stay away from breaking up the logo. -+-+-+- David From garrett at polytechnic.co.uk Wed Aug 8 17:38:10 2001 From: garrett at polytechnic.co.uk (Garrett Coakley) Date: Wed Aug 8 17:38:10 2001 Subject: [thesite] user power cubes.. In-Reply-To: References: <3B71ABD5.3080108@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <20010808233823.4cf94e1c.garrett@polytechnic.co.uk> Dean is telling bad jokes in #evolt so I thought I'd escape for 5mins. I didn't pay too much attention to the original conversation about the cubes as, well, I don't really have an excuse, I just didn't, ok *:) Anyways, I'm paying attention now since dan posted his examples. At first the branding issue didn't enter my mind, but since David posted this, a few thoughts have been buzzing around in my head. First up, I think some kind of marker to someones 'evoltness' is a cool idea. Might stimulate more people to contribute. My feeling would be to go with something based on the single cube. Although I agree with the branding issue, my reasoning would be more from a layout point of view than anything. From the example dan posted earlier the logo looks a little forced, if you see what I mean. It breaks up the lines of the page and sits too proud. Nice anti-aliasing though. As this is going to a kind of ranking/grading/howcoolareyou system, wouldn't it be wise to follow the other grading schemes out there (like feo for example) and use a row of [insert icon of choice] so people can get a handle on what is being represented? So from dans example you would have: Building A Quick Countdown Application Author: mwarden [cube] [cube] [1/2 cube] Nice and neat, wouldn't break the flow of the page, and everyone would be able to see right away that matt is a two and a half cube kinda guy. The exact mapping between number of articles and number of [whojamaflips] would have to be worked out to some meaningful level obviously... .. so yeah, what David said +1. G. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- WORK: http://spiked.co.uk/ PLAY: http://polytechnic.co.uk/ From sgd at ti3.com Wed Aug 8 17:47:38 2001 From: sgd at ti3.com (Scott Dexter) Date: Wed Aug 8 17:47:38 2001 Subject: [thesite] user power cubes.. Message-ID: > > Building A Quick Countdown Application > Author: mwarden [cube] [cube] [1/2 cube] > I'm kinda worried of the side-affect of this looking like we've actively rated Matt at 2 1/2 cubes (especially since Mat is clearly 3/5 of a cube ;) ) --maybe a single cube? --like mwarden [red partial filled cube] djc [green full cube] sgd [no cube or just the wire frame] knowwhatImean? I like the direction though sgd From martin at members.evolt.org Wed Aug 8 18:49:14 2001 From: martin at members.evolt.org (Martin) Date: Wed Aug 8 18:49:14 2001 Subject: [thesite] codefest Message-ID: <03a9d3349230881PCOW035M@blueyonder.co.uk> Daniel J. Cody wrote on 7/8/01 8:22 pm >just thinking about the next codefest and october 26th seemed like a >nice time to have it :) Not that I'll be able to make it, or be particularly useful if I could, but what are the goals? Martin _______________________________________________ email: martin at easyweb.co.uk PGP ID: 0xA835CCCB martin at members.evolt.org snailmail: 30 Shandon Place tel: +44 (0)774 063 9985 Edinburgh, url: http://www.easyweb.co.uk Scotland From mccreath at ak.net Wed Aug 8 18:54:30 2001 From: mccreath at ak.net (David Mccreath) Date: Wed Aug 8 18:54:30 2001 Subject: [thesite] user power cubes.. Message-ID: <5cebd85d05c9.5d05c95cebd8@augustine.gci.net> From: Garrett Coakley > Dean is telling bad jokes in #evolt so I thought I'd escape for 5mins. Can't we set up one of the bots to do that? That would save us a bunch of time. > I didn't pay too much attention to the original conversation about the > cubes as, well, I don't really have an excuse, I just didn't, ok *:) I don't think there's anything for you to not remember ... er ... I think this is the first time the power cubes have been brought up on thesite list. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, please. > Anyways, I'm paying attention now since dan posted his examples. At > first the branding issue didn't enter my mind, but since David posted > this, a few thoughts have been buzzing around in my head. > First up, I think some kind of marker to someones 'evoltness' is a > coolidea. Might stimulate more people to contribute. > > My feeling would be to go with something based on the single cube. > Although I agree with the branding issue, my reasoning would be more > from a layout point of view than anything. From the example dan posted > earlier the logo looks a little forced, if you see what I mean. It > breaks up the lines of the page and sits too proud. That's a valid concern, too. Do we need to display the power cube(s) on the article page? What if they just display on the user page? Or would that defeat your purpose, Dan? > Nice anti-aliasing though. Yo, no offense to Dan, because it is a nice job, but the original logo cubes are not anti-aliased, and the power cubes really shouldn't be either. Anti-aliasing something that small can get kinda twitchy. (Although you did do a good job, Dan. :)) > As this is going to a kind of ranking/grading/howcoolareyou system, > wouldn't it be wise to follow the other grading schemes out there > (likefeo for example) and use a row of [insert icon of choice] so > people can > get a handle on what is being represented? I think *I'd* prefer that approach. > So from dans example you would have: > > Building A Quick Countdown Application > Author: mwarden [cube] [cube] [1/2 cube] > > Nice and neat, wouldn't break the flow of the page, and everyone would > be able to see right away that matt is a two and a half cube kinda > guy. You may mean this, but I'm not sure. What I'd do is [cube] [cube] [wireframe with progressively filled-in sides] so that each power cube in a person's, um, arsenal (just to further the videogame geek thing) represents four steps. > The exact mapping between number of articles and number of > [whojamaflips] would have to be worked out to some meaningful level > obviously... Obvussly. > .. so yeah, what David said +1. YEAH! D3Z1GN3RZ R00L! ... er ... From jeff at members.evolt.org Wed Aug 8 19:06:14 2001 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff) Date: Wed Aug 8 19:06:14 2001 Subject: [thesite] codefest In-Reply-To: <59076b593aaa.593aaa59076b@augustine.gci.net> Message-ID: david, ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > From: David Mccreath > > Cool wit' me. Jeff? ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< yeah, i think that the weekend of the 11th-13th of october would be early enough to be able to get away. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > From my experience it'll be easier for you to get away > *before* the sprat arrives than after, but that's just > me. :) ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< yes, i'm well aware of the postpartum need for me to be available 24/7. .jeff From mccreath at ak.net Wed Aug 8 19:11:47 2001 From: mccreath at ak.net (David Mccreath) Date: Wed Aug 8 19:11:47 2001 Subject: [thesite] codefest Message-ID: <5d17315ce2a3.5ce2a35d1731@augustine.gci.net> From: ".jeff" > david, > > ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > > From: David Mccreath > > > > Cool wit' me. Jeff? > ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > > yeah, i think that the weekend of the 11th-13th of october would > be early enough to be able to get away. Everybody else? Aardvark? Dex? Matt? Anyone else? Who else wants to come? David From djc at starkmedia.com Wed Aug 8 20:22:36 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Wed Aug 8 20:22:36 2001 Subject: [thesite] codefest References: <5d17315ce2a3.5ce2a35d1731@augustine.gci.net> Message-ID: <3B71E61E.5060401@starkmedia.com> josh!!! you were alivating for codefest, how about it!? :) David Mccreath wrote: > From: ".jeff" > >>david, >> >> >>><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< >>>From: David Mccreath >>> >>>Cool wit' me. Jeff? >>><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< >>> >>yeah, i think that the weekend of the 11th-13th of october would >>be early enough to be able to get away. >> > > Everybody else? Aardvark? Dex? Matt? Anyone else? Who else wants to > come? > > David > > > > _______________________________________________ > For unsubscribe, archive, and options, go to: > http://lists.evolt.org/mailman/listinfo/thesite > From djc at starkmedia.com Wed Aug 8 20:27:09 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Wed Aug 8 20:27:09 2001 Subject: [thesite] codefest References: <03a9d3349230881PCOW035M@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <3B71E732.3010704@starkmedia.com> martin, no offense but ssshhhhh :) we have three goals: 1.) drink 2.) fuck up the sequence's in oracle again 3.) integrate a.e.o with the main site to move some responsibility to here. oops. i said it. grand coupmiester, .djc. Martin wrote: > > Not that I'll be able to make it, or be particularly useful if I could, > but what are the goals? From isaac at members.evolt.org Wed Aug 8 20:53:31 2001 From: isaac at members.evolt.org (isaac) Date: Wed Aug 8 20:53:31 2001 Subject: [thesite] user power cubes.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > http://members.evolt.org/mccreath/evolt/cubes/evoltratingcube2.gif i understand your reluctance to fuck with the logo (but hey, you have my permission ;)), but my only real problem with dan's example is that the logo is too tall to site nicely next to the username. there will have to be differentiation between the author rating and the article rating. i don't think single cubes will be as effective, or sgd's suggestion of 9 individual steps (although if including a blank logo, it gives us a scale of 10 which is neat). my preferred option would be blank logo, red filled, green filled, blue filled, silver, gold, or something like that. with some effort surely we can pull off the silver/gold. perhaps if we render it in a proper 3d app with a chrome effect? the most important issue i think is the article/author rating split. to accomplish this, i think we need to drop: "Author: djc" and have a right-aligned box next to the first paragraph detailing the name of the author, how many other articles they've written, average rating, number of comments made, and shit like that. i've uploaded an image demonstrating this here: http://members.evolt.org/~isaac/evolt/author.gif unfortunately, only half of it appears to be showing. i've tried reuploading it, but it's still fucked. this is happening to nearly every other image i've uploaded to my members.evolt account. anyone else having the same problem? isaac -------------------------------------------------------------- triple zero digital | upstairs at 200 the parade, norwood 5067 (08)83320545 | www.triplezero.com.au | isaac at triplezero.com.au From mwarden at mattwarden.com Wed Aug 8 21:20:54 2001 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Wed Aug 8 21:20:54 2001 Subject: [thesite] user power cubes.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Aug 8, Scott Dexter had something to say about RE: [thesite] user power... >> >> Building A Quick Countdown Application >> Author: mwarden [cube] [cube] [1/2 cube] >> > >I'm kinda worried of the side-affect of this looking like we've actively >rated Matt at 2 1/2 cubes (especially since Mat is clearly 3/5 of a cube >;) ) --maybe a single cube? --like Scott, the problem is that no one knows how to represent a negative cube. -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From mwarden at mattwarden.com Wed Aug 8 21:25:40 2001 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Wed Aug 8 21:25:40 2001 Subject: [thesite] codefest In-Reply-To: <5d17315ce2a3.5ce2a35d1731@augustine.gci.net> Message-ID: >Everybody else? Aardvark? Dex? Matt? Anyone else? Who else wants to >come? Dave, it's all about priorities. I'm not even going to check my calendar. I'm there. If my gradma is having major surgery or something, I'll simply explain to her that I need to spend some time with computers, because I don't do that very often. Thanks, -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From michele at wordpro.on.ca Wed Aug 8 22:04:04 2001 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Wed Aug 8 22:04:04 2001 Subject: [thesite] codefest References: Message-ID: <025801c12080$07b3a140$48eda1d1@mef> | >Everybody else? Aardvark? Dex? Matt? Anyone else? Who else wants to | >come? I have no clue if I've already responded to this thread or not ..... ooops. Yes, I am *hopefully* there. Mich From michele at wordpro.on.ca Wed Aug 8 22:12:46 2001 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Wed Aug 8 22:12:46 2001 Subject: [thesite] user power cubes.. References: Message-ID: <027901c12081$3e841c80$48eda1d1@mef> isaac, Can you post the image elsewhere ? I'd like to see it .. so that I fully understand what you are saying. You can send it to me if you like and I'll post it. Mich ----- Original Message ----- From: "isaac" | | the most important issue i think is the article/author rating split. to | accomplish this, i think we need to drop: | | "Author: djc" | | and have a right-aligned box next to the first paragraph detailing the name | of the author, how many other articles they've written, average rating, | number of comments made, and shit like that. | | | | i've uploaded an image demonstrating this here: | http://members.evolt.org/~isaac/evolt/author.gif | | unfortunately, only half of it appears to be showing. i've tried reuploading | it, but it's still fucked. this is happening to nearly every other image | i've uploaded to my members.evolt account. anyone else having the same | problem? From michele at wordpro.on.ca Wed Aug 8 22:46:11 2001 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Wed Aug 8 22:46:11 2001 Subject: [thesite] user power cubes.. References: <027901c12081$3e841c80$48eda1d1@mef> Message-ID: <02b401c12085$ea2de4e0$48eda1d1@mef> Hey Isaac, Thanks. Its working on my meo account here: http://members.evolt.org/Mishka/author.gif I like this a lot. I think it's in a good direction. Let's do it!! ;) Mish p.s. not sure if it is your email client or not .. or a setting on your meo account, tho, I would think they are the same across the board. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michele Foster" | | Can you post the image elsewhere ? I'd like to see it .. so that I fully | understand what you are saying. | | You can send it to me if you like and I'll post it. | | ----- Original Message ----- | From: "isaac" | | | | | the most important issue i think is the article/author rating split. to | | accomplish this, i think we need to drop: | | | | "Author: djc" | | | | and have a right-aligned box next to the first paragraph detailing the | name | | of the author, how many other articles they've written, average rating, | | number of comments made, and shit like that. | | From isaac at members.evolt.org Wed Aug 8 22:53:12 2001 From: isaac at members.evolt.org (isaac) Date: Wed Aug 8 22:53:12 2001 Subject: [thesite] user power cubes.. In-Reply-To: <02b401c12085$ea2de4e0$48eda1d1@mef> Message-ID: > http://members.evolt.org/Mishka/author.gif > > I like this a lot. I think it's in a good direction. yeh, i think the key is adding personality to each author/article, and the community as a whole. i can't think of any arguments against that. obviously author photo would be optional. i From mccreath at ak.net Wed Aug 8 23:06:54 2001 From: mccreath at ak.net (mccreath) Date: Wed Aug 8 23:06:54 2001 Subject: [thesite] user power cubes.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: isaac > > > http://members.evolt.org/mccreath/evolt/cubes/evoltratingcube2.gif > > > i understand your reluctance to fuck with the logo (but hey, you have my > permission ;)), I just wanted to make sure it was discussed. But thanks for the permission. You're the picture of graciousnessessesness. > but my only real problem with dan's example is > that the logo is too tall to site nicely next to the username. That's an issue, too, and one not solved by my version. > there will have to be differentiation between the author rating and the > article rating. There already is. Maybe it needs to be clearer, though. > i don't think single cubes will be as effective, or sgd's suggestion of 9 > individual steps (although if including a blank logo, it gives us > a scale of 10 which is neat). Yeah. But is it necessary? (Just asking. I can see both sides.) > my preferred option would be blank logo, red filled, green filled, blue > filled, silver, gold, or something like that. with some effort > surely we can pull off the silver/gold. perhaps if we render it in a > proper 3d app with a chrome effect? Perhaps. I don't have much experience with 3D rendering and textures and all that, but if somebody can make it work, I could see it. I think an objection was raised to placing value on colors last time, but we gotta illustrate it somehow, eh? > the most important issue i think is the article/author rating split. to > accomplish this, i think we need to drop: > > "Author: djc" > > and have a right-aligned box next to the first paragraph > detailing the name > of the author, how many other articles they've written, average rating, > number of comments made, and shit like that. I just saw Michele's post, and I like it in theory, but I think it actually muddies the distinction between the article rating and the author rating. (I know this is just an idea ... just discussing.) It would also require us to add a way for users to upload a picture. Again, no huge deal, but if we go with something next to the user's name *for now*, we can get this into production quicker. Right? And then refine the design. Would it defeat the purpose of the whole thing to just have the power cubes on the user's page? (Again, just asking.) David From mccreath at ak.net Wed Aug 8 23:14:37 2001 From: mccreath at ak.net (mccreath) Date: Wed Aug 8 23:14:37 2001 Subject: [thesite] user power cubes.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: Warden, Matt > > Scott, the problem is that no one knows how to represent a negative cube. That sounds like a) Star Trek lingo or b) skater lingo. David From mccreath at ak.net Wed Aug 8 23:16:57 2001 From: mccreath at ak.net (mccreath) Date: Wed Aug 8 23:16:57 2001 Subject: [thesite] codefest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: Warden, Matt > > Dave, it's all about priorities. I'm not even going to check my > calendar. I'm there. Yo, I'm there if the airlines don't make it a priority to charge me $750 r/t to O'Hare. > If my gradma is having major surgery or something, I'll simply explain to > her that I need to spend some time with computers, because I don't do that > very often. Now, you be nice to your grandma! If she's not feeling well, bring her with! From mwarden at mattwarden.com Wed Aug 8 23:29:17 2001 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Wed Aug 8 23:29:17 2001 Subject: [thesite] user power cubes.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: a little from column A, and a little from column B >> Scott, the problem is that no one knows how to represent a negative cube. > >That sounds like a) Star Trek lingo or b) skater lingo. From mwarden at mattwarden.com Wed Aug 8 23:30:21 2001 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Wed Aug 8 23:30:21 2001 Subject: [thesite] codefest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Aug 8, mccreath had something to say about RE: RE: [thesite] codefest >> From: Warden, Matt >> >> Dave, it's all about priorities. I'm not even going to check my >> calendar. I'm there. > >Yo, I'm there if the airlines don't make it a priority to charge me $750 r/t >to O'Hare. Hey, i can pick y'all up from O'Hare. Its on my way to Milwaukee. But, well, I can only fit a few in my car. Well, probably only two. -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From garrett at polytechnic.co.uk Thu Aug 9 04:16:31 2001 From: garrett at polytechnic.co.uk (Garrett Coakley) Date: Thu Aug 9 04:16:31 2001 Subject: [thesite] user power cubes.. In-Reply-To: <5cebd85d05c9.5d05c95cebd8@augustine.gci.net> References: <5cebd85d05c9.5d05c95cebd8@augustine.gci.net> Message-ID: <20010809101705.7b4a77e0.garrett@polytechnic.co.uk> On Wed, 08 Aug 2001 15:54:42 -0800, David Mccreath wrote: > You may mean this, but I'm not sure. What I'd do is > > [cube] [cube] [wireframe with progressively filled-in sides] so that > each power cube in a person's, um, arsenal (just to further the > videogame geek thing) represents four steps. Yep, thats what I meant really, build the cubes in stages. Although, now I'm having trauma, cos I quite like that idea of Isaac's as well Would the ears be compulsory? If not... could they be? G. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- WORK: http://spiked.co.uk/ PLAY: http://polytechnic.co.uk/ From joshua at alphashop.net Thu Aug 9 08:12:42 2001 From: joshua at alphashop.net (Joshua Olson) Date: Thu Aug 9 08:12:42 2001 Subject: [thesite] codefest References: <5d17315ce2a3.5ce2a35d1731@augustine.gci.net> Message-ID: <03fc01c120d5$a845bcb0$a600a8c0@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> Hmmm... maybe me. I'll check on it. -joshua ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Mccreath" Subject: Re: RE: [thesite] codefest : Everybody else? Aardvark? Dex? Matt? Anyone else? Who else wants to : come? : : David From roselli at earthlink.net Thu Aug 9 08:40:46 2001 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Thu Aug 9 08:40:46 2001 Subject: [thesite] codefest In-Reply-To: References: <5d17315ce2a3.5ce2a35d1731@augustine.gci.net> Message-ID: <3B725A18.1645.387C0FB4@localhost> yeah, i wanna be there... lemme know when y'all start booking flights... From elfur at elfur.is Thu Aug 9 10:17:59 2001 From: elfur at elfur.is (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Elfur_Logad=F3ttir?=) Date: Thu Aug 9 10:17:59 2001 Subject: [thesite] john, any news from your bot :) Message-ID: <007d01c120e6$2e3ad8e0$c3fda8c0@evolt> he went off on a journey again ... thanks elfur From sgd at ti3.com Thu Aug 9 10:28:37 2001 From: sgd at ti3.com (Scott Dexter) Date: Thu Aug 9 10:28:37 2001 Subject: [thesite] codefest Message-ID: > > yeah, i think that the weekend of the 11th-13th of october would > > be early enough to be able to get away. > Yah, good for me. dex From sgd at ti3.com Thu Aug 9 10:31:01 2001 From: sgd at ti3.com (Scott Dexter) Date: Thu Aug 9 10:31:01 2001 Subject: [thesite] user power cubes.. Message-ID: > > http://members.evolt.org/Mishka/author.gif > +1 though my head is already spinning with the what it will take to get mug shots and whatnot... sgd From sgd at ti3.com Thu Aug 9 10:46:11 2001 From: sgd at ti3.com (Scott Dexter) Date: Thu Aug 9 10:46:11 2001 Subject: [thesite] codefest Message-ID: SHOTGUN !! > Hey, i can pick y'all up from O'Hare. Its on my way to Milwaukee. But, > well, I can only fit a few in my car. > > Well, probably only two. > From mccreath at ak.net Thu Aug 9 10:50:19 2001 From: mccreath at ak.net (mccreath) Date: Thu Aug 9 10:50:19 2001 Subject: [thesite] codefest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: DAMMIT! I am NOT riding in the back seat of a Camaro. If you got shotgun, you got me in your lap. ;p > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Dexter > > SHOTGUN !! > > > Hey, i can pick y'all up from O'Hare. Its on my way to Milwaukee. But, > > well, I can only fit a few in my car. > > > > Well, probably only two. > > From michele at wordpro.on.ca Thu Aug 9 10:55:41 2001 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Thu Aug 9 10:55:41 2001 Subject: [thesite] codefest References: Message-ID: <016d01c120eb$d84839e0$74eda1d1@mef> hehehe It's actually cheaper for me to fly into Milwaukee than it is to Chicago O'Hare. Even for the flights that were not direct, but that stopped in Chicago or Cincinnati (sp?) first. Just a preliminary look the other day tho. Rudy, what are your plans? Do you/we want to rent a car and drive? Fly? Train? We should talk about this. My pref would be to fly, then drive and the train as a last resort. The drive was rough, but it would be better with two people to share the load. Michele ----- Original Message ----- From: "mccreath" | DAMMIT! I am NOT riding in the back seat of a Camaro. If you got shotgun, | you got me in your lap. ;p | From sgd at ti3.com Thu Aug 9 11:00:14 2001 From: sgd at ti3.com (Scott Dexter) Date: Thu Aug 9 11:00:14 2001 Subject: [thesite] codefest Message-ID: I'm the big winner!! WH00000! > -----Original Message----- > From: mccreath [mailto:mccreath at ak.net] > > DAMMIT! I am NOT riding in the back seat of a Camaro. If you > got shotgun, > you got me in your lap. ;p > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Scott Dexter > > > > SHOTGUN !! From r937 at interlog.com Thu Aug 9 12:36:58 2001 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Thu Aug 9 12:36:58 2001 Subject: [thesite] codefest Message-ID: <01c120f5$11299a20$9c47149a@rudy> > Rudy, what are your plans? rentacar versus fly is the only sane choice i've done the train thing already, remember i enjoy driving, but i'm afraid my 69 beetle may not make it, so the rentacar concept sounds good, especially since we can split the cost oh, and do rentacar deals come with unlimited mileage options? it's a fair distance... rudy From sgd at ti3.com Thu Aug 9 12:40:02 2001 From: sgd at ti3.com (Scott Dexter) Date: Thu Aug 9 12:40:02 2001 Subject: [thesite] codefest Message-ID: > > oh, and do rentacar deals come with unlimited mileage options? > it's a fair distance... > They do here in the States, but Canadia is a weird place.... From djc at starkmedia.com Thu Aug 9 12:47:11 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Thu Aug 9 12:47:11 2001 Subject: [thesite] codefest References: <01c120f5$11299a20$9c47149a@rudy> Message-ID: <3B72CB3E.6070409@starkmedia.com> i'm sure mich will chime in here on her own, but when she drove to milwaukee last month, she had unlimited mileage for about $30CA a day, which comes out to like 3.54US ;) rudy wrote: >>Rudy, what are your plans? >> > > rentacar versus fly is the only sane choice > > i've done the train thing already, remember > > i enjoy driving, but i'm afraid my 69 beetle may not make it, > so the rentacar concept sounds good, especially since we can > split the cost > > oh, and do rentacar deals come with unlimited mileage options? > it's a fair distance... > > > rudy > > > > _______________________________________________ > For unsubscribe, archive, and options, go to: > http://lists.evolt.org/mailman/listinfo/thesite > From elfur at elfur.is Thu Aug 9 12:52:10 2001 From: elfur at elfur.is (Elfur Logadottir) Date: Thu Aug 9 12:52:10 2001 Subject: [thesite] Fw: [adm** Comment Parsing Message-ID: <053901c120fc$0587fc50$40aefea9@DWARFS> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dean Mah" To: Sent: 9. ?g?st 2001 17:44 Subject: [Admin] Comment Parsing | Just a heads up. 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