From djc at starkmedia.com Tue Jul 3 10:21:42 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Tue Jul 3 10:21:42 2001 Subject: [thesite] FYI - evolt outage.. Message-ID: <3B41E0D4.8090206@starkmedia.com> Hi folks - Lists are back up and running. members.evolt.org,browsers, and all the other websites are still being rebuilt. Thanks for your patience and apologies for all this mess.. .djc. -evolt vicar- From john at userfrenzy.com Tue Jul 3 10:32:05 2001 From: john at userfrenzy.com (John Handelaar) Date: Tue Jul 3 10:32:05 2001 Subject: [thesite] FYI - evolt outage.. In-Reply-To: <3B41E0D4.8090206@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org > [mailto:thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Daniel J. Cody > Sent: 03 July 2001 16:12 > To: thesite at lists.evolt.org; thechat at lists.evolt.org; > thelist at lists.evolt.org > Subject: [thesite] FYI - evolt outage.. > > Hi folks - Dan, I cannot begin to describe how much that rocks. You the man. If I wasn't 'hibernating' the company this week I'd contribute a new server... ------------------------------------------ John Handelaar T +44 20 7209 4117 M +44 7930 681789 F +44 870 169 7657 E john at userfrenzy.com ------------------------------------------ From djc at starkmedia.com Tue Jul 3 10:55:34 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Tue Jul 3 10:55:34 2001 Subject: [thesite] things working: Message-ID: <3B41E54C.4050404@starkmedia.com> b.e.o l.e.o m.e.o(front two pages) a.e.o things not working: d.e.o m.e.o user pages t.e.o POP3 mail FTP access anything that used mysql(user pages) anything that used oracle(t.e.o) all datasources on CF gonna need one or two more reboots for new kernels mysql is gonna be shaky, as in 'if you're data got scraped of the old drive before it went down for the last time youre in luck' if anyone sees anything else that isn't working, lemme know.. also if one of you that has ssh access could log in and make sure your files are all OK i'd appreciate :) more to come soon From djc at starkmedia.com Thu Jul 5 16:35:38 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Thu Jul 5 16:35:38 2001 Subject: [thesite] t.e.o Message-ID: <3B44DC50.1000505@starkmedia.com> is back up and running.. front page is timing out for some reason though.. .djc. From djc at starkmedia.com Fri Jul 6 13:52:31 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Fri Jul 6 13:52:31 2001 Subject: [thesite] admin.evolt.org Message-ID: <3B460798.7070606@starkmedia.com> also known by its despised name of 'thewife' is back up and running too. isac and elfur, if you get a chance, check your jobs :) d.e.o is the only strcilty evolt site that isn't working still.. lemme know if you see any other problems :) .djc. From elfur at elfur.is Fri Jul 6 14:00:00 2001 From: elfur at elfur.is (Elfur Logadottir) Date: Fri Jul 6 14:00:00 2001 Subject: [thesite] Re: [Admin] admin.evolt.org References: <3B460798.7070606@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <048a01c1064d$bb03c740$40aefea9@DWARFS> From: "Daniel J. Cody" | also known by its despised name of 'thewife' is back up and running too. | | isac and elfur, if you get a chance, check your jobs :) supah, dupah working for me, thanks e From djc at starkmedia.com Fri Jul 6 14:01:18 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Fri Jul 6 14:01:18 2001 Subject: [thesite] Re: [Admin] admin.evolt.org References: <3B460798.7070606@starkmedia.com> <048a01c1064d$bb03c740$40aefea9@DWARFS> Message-ID: <3B4609A8.30207@starkmedia.com> erf. everything *EXCEPT* the voting application since walkers data was in mysql. oops Elfur Logadottir wrote: > From: "Daniel J. Cody" > > > | also known by its despised name of 'thewife' is back up and running too. > | > | isac and elfur, if you get a chance, check your jobs :) > > supah, dupah working for me, thanks From djc at members.evolt.org Fri Jul 6 16:40:49 2001 From: djc at members.evolt.org (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Fri Jul 6 16:40:49 2001 Subject: [thesite] out.. Message-ID: heading to the woods for a weekend devoid of computers.. matt's got the helm with list stuff .djc. From walker at sdproductions.com Sat Jul 7 00:21:19 2001 From: walker at sdproductions.com (walker) Date: Sat Jul 7 00:21:19 2001 Subject: [thesite] Re: [Admin] admin.evolt.org In-Reply-To: <3B4609A8.30207@starkmedia.com> References: <3B460798.7070606@starkmedia.com> <048a01c1064d$bb03c740$40aefea9@DWARFS> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010706232919.02e5fa40@pop.business.earthlink.net> perhaps this might help: here is the sql to build the voting app schema in oracle. If you choose to use this, i'll need to update the app to call the sequences, instead of using the auto increment for the primary key. Let me know if you'd like me to do so. -w CREATE TABLE questions ( question_id number NOT NULL, question_name varchar2 (50) NULL , question text NULL, user_id varchar2 (50), dateadded date, active number NOT NULL, CONSTRAINT questions_pk PRIMARY KEY (question_id) ) STORAGE(INITIAL 5M NEXT 5M); CREATE TABLE choices ( choice_id number NOT NULL, question_id number NULL , choice_name varchar2 (50) NULL , choice text NULL , choice_order number NULL , active number NOT NULL , CONSTRAINT choice_pk PRIMARY KEY (choice_id), FOREIGN KEY (question_id) REFERENCES questions (question_id) ) STORAGE(INITIAL 5M NEXT 5M); CREATE TABLE responses ( response_id number NOT NULL auto_increment, choice_id number NULL , question_id number NULL , user_ip varchar2 (50), user_id varchar2 (50), active number NOT NULL , CONSTRAINT responses_pk PRIMARY KEY (response_id), FOREIGN KEY (question_id) REFERENCES questions (question_id) FOREIGN KEY (choice_id) REFERENCES choices (choice_id) ) STORAGE(INITIAL 5M NEXT 5M); create sequence CHOICE_ID_SEQ increment by 1 start with 1; create sequence QUESTION_ID_SEQ increment by 1 start with 1; create sequence RESPONSE_ID_SEQ increment by 1 start with 1; At 01:55 PM 7/6/2001 -0500, you wrote: >erf. everything *EXCEPT* the voting application since walkers data was in >mysql. > >oops > >Elfur Logadottir wrote: > >>From: "Daniel J. Cody" >> >>| also known by its despised name of 'thewife' is back up and running too. >>| | isac and elfur, if you get a chance, check your jobs :) >>supah, dupah working for me, thanks > > > >_______________________________________________ >For unsubscribe, archive, and options, go to: >http://lists.evolt.org/mailman/listinfo/thesite _________________________________________ walker fenton walker at sdproductions.com 303.722.5473 From mwarden at odyssey-design.com Sat Jul 7 00:28:09 2001 From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Sat Jul 7 00:28:09 2001 Subject: [thesite] Re: [Admin] admin.evolt.org References: <3B460798.7070606@starkmedia.com><048a01c1064d$bb03c740$40aefea9@DWARFS> <5.1.0.14.0.20010706232919.02e5fa40@pop.business.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <022c01c1069d$21fdd540$31b01b18@cinci.rr.com> I'll make the changes to the files (assuming I can find them), but we'll have to wait until Danny gets back to create the DB and run that SQL. But the files will be ready if that's the way we decide to go. Thanks walker. -- mattwarden mattwarden.com p.s. You Rock. > From: "walker" > Subject: Re: [thesite] Re: [Admin] admin.evolt.org > > perhaps this might help: > > here is the sql to build the voting app schema in oracle. If you choose to > use this, i'll need to update the app to call the sequences, instead of > using the auto increment for the primary key. > > Let me know if you'd like me to do so. > > -w > ... From martin at easyweb.co.uk Sun Jul 8 12:40:08 2001 From: martin at easyweb.co.uk (Martin Burns) Date: Sun Jul 8 12:40:08 2001 Subject: [thesite] feo article view errors Message-ID: <0c76f4042170871PCOW034M@blueyonder.co.uk> Looks like we're still not quite there: Error Occurred While Processing Request Error Diagnostic Information An error occurred while attempting to establish a connection to the server. The most likely cause of this problem is that the server is not currently running. Verify that the server is running and restart it if necessary. Unix error number 111 occurred: Connection refused The front page is fine. Cheers Martin _______________________________________________ email: martin at easyweb.co.uk PGP ID: 0xA835CCCB martin at members.evolt.org snailmail: 30 Shandon Place tel: +44 (0)774 063 9985 Edinburgh, url: http://www.easyweb.co.uk Scotland From martin at members.evolt.org Sun Jul 8 13:28:13 2001 From: martin at members.evolt.org (Martin) Date: Sun Jul 8 13:28:13 2001 Subject: [thesite] feo article view errors Message-ID: <022444630180871PCOW029M@blueyonder.co.uk> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Martin Burns wrote on 8/7/01 6:40 pm >Looks like we're still not quite there: > >Error Occurred While Processing Request Front page of leo does the same, but the pages behind it for thelist and thechat are OK. Cheers Martin -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use Comment: Content after the signature block is *not* signed iQA/AwUBO0imR3HoHnCoNczLEQLX6wCeLEHU36q7UYsnicUpoWCbEVf/vPwAn0+Y eMFdIIwuQHp90dmYDYEi0zo4 =e/fZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ email: martin at easyweb.co.uk PGP ID: 0xA835CCCB martin at members.evolt.org snailmail: 30 Shandon Place tel: +44 (0)774 063 9985 Edinburgh, url: http://www.easyweb.co.uk Scotland From mwarden at odyssey-design.com Sun Jul 8 14:00:56 2001 From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Sun Jul 8 14:00:56 2001 Subject: [thesite] feo article view errors References: <022444630180871PCOW029M@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <009e01c107e1$1ce832e0$31b01b18@cinci.rr.com> Looks like the CF server has crapz0rd. I'll poke around. Meanwhile, if anyone knows the command to restart it... mattissexy at mattwarden.com -- mattwarden mattwarden.com > From: "Martin" > Subject: Re: [thesite] feo article view errors > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Martin Burns wrote on 8/7/01 6:40 pm > > >Looks like we're still not quite there: > > > >Error Occurred While Processing Request > > Front page of leo does the same, but the pages > behind it for thelist and thechat are OK. > > Cheers > Martin From mwarden at odyssey-design.com Sun Jul 8 14:33:30 2001 From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Sun Jul 8 14:33:30 2001 Subject: [thesite] feo article view errors References: <022444630180871PCOW029M@blueyonder.co.uk> <009e01c107e1$1ce832e0$31b01b18@cinci.rr.com> Message-ID: <00ae01c107e5$c062f320$31b01b18@cinci.rr.com> Ok, I've got CF started again. The bad news is it looks like it shuts down again if I close my damn ssh connection. *shrug* Oacle drivers aren't loaded and I have NFI how to do that. So, feo isn't working, but CF is working (see dan's blog and also leo). If anyone has any ideas on how to load the oracle drivers, I'm all ears. There are no man pages that I could find. Thanks, -- mattwarden mattwarden.com > From: "Warden, Matt" > Subject: Re: [thesite] feo article view errors > > Looks like the CF server has crapz0rd. I'll poke around. Meanwhile, if > anyone knows the command to restart it... mattissexy at mattwarden.com From mwarden at mattwarden.com Sun Jul 8 17:48:02 2001 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Sun Jul 8 17:48:02 2001 Subject: [thesite] admin.evolt.org (attn: dan) References: <3B460798.7070606@starkmedia.com><048a01c1064d$bb03c740$40aefea9@DWARFS> <5.1.0.14.0.20010706232919.02e5fa40@pop.business.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <013001c10800$fed245a0$31b01b18@cinci.rr.com> I've updated the code and placed it in /home/mwarden/admin_html for the time being. Dan, if we are going to use oracle (this can later be integrated to use the userid's from the weo table if we wanted to), we'll need to verify that the code I grabbed and made changes to (in /home/evolt/admin_html/vote) is the current code and, of course, we'll need to run the DB scripts and change any db connection variables needed. Thanks again, walker. -- mattwarden mattwarden.com > From: "walker" > Subject: Re: [thesite] Re: [Admin] admin.evolt.org > > perhaps this might help: > > here is the sql to build the voting app schema in oracle. If you choose to > use this, i'll need to update the app to call the sequences, instead of > using the auto increment for the primary key. > > Let me know if you'd like me to do so. From mwarden at odyssey-design.com Mon Jul 9 10:45:13 2001 From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Mon Jul 9 10:45:13 2001 Subject: [thesite] [bug] admin.evolt.org Message-ID: <00d901c1088e$322db8c0$7303020a@hg2p201> There doesn't seem to be a way to edit an event that isn't occurring in the current month and when "Edit Event" is pressed (no matter the month displayed) it jumps to the current month. Clicking ">>" or "<<" then to cycle through the months return to read-only. Thanks, -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From mwarden at mattwarden.com Mon Jul 9 10:47:50 2001 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Mon Jul 9 10:47:50 2001 Subject: [thesite] [bug] admin.evolt.org - calendar - editing event - date Message-ID: <00e101c1088e$9030f3b0$7303020a@hg2p201> should have waited in case i found something else... I fooled around with the query string and got an editable month that wasn't the current month and then clicked on that linked event to edit it. The date changes to the current date. Just need to add a conditional to check whether there is already a date value in the database. -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From djc at starkmedia.com Mon Jul 9 11:04:56 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Mon Jul 9 11:04:56 2001 Subject: [thesite] feo article view errors References: <022444630180871PCOW029M@blueyonder.co.uk> <009e01c107e1$1ce832e0$31b01b18@cinci.rr.com> <00ae01c107e5$c062f320$31b01b18@cinci.rr.com> Message-ID: <3B49D4D1.2000507@starkmedia.com> this is cool now.. for future reference for those of you that have access, use the init.d startup scripts to start/shutdown cf like so: /etc/rc.d/init.d/coldfusion start/stop that loads all DB drivers and sets teh enviornment vars Warden, Matt wrote: > Ok, I've got CF started again. The bad news is it looks like it shuts down > again if I close my damn ssh connection. *shrug* > > Oacle drivers aren't loaded and I have NFI how to do that. So, feo isn't > working, but CF is working (see dan's blog and also leo). > > If anyone has any ideas on how to load the oracle drivers, I'm all ears. > There are no man pages that I could find. > > > Thanks, > > -- > mattwarden > mattwarden.com > > > >>From: "Warden, Matt" >>Subject: Re: [thesite] feo article view errors >> >> > >>Looks like the CF server has crapz0rd. I'll poke around. Meanwhile, if >>anyone knows the command to restart it... mattissexy at mattwarden.com >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > For unsubscribe, archive, and options, go to: > http://lists.evolt.org/mailman/listinfo/thesite > From djc at starkmedia.com Tue Jul 10 10:26:27 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Tue Jul 10 10:26:27 2001 Subject: [thesite] june stats.. Message-ID: <3B4B1D43.4060404@starkmedia.com> http://browsers.evolt.org/stats/stats.jun2001.html Highlights: 1.2M 'hits' 365K page views 11K page views per day 71K distinct IP's served 42GB of data sent down the pipe.. Notes: This months report runs a couple days into July because of the hardware outages.. Google once again sends us 100K+ referers.. This isn't formatted the same as previous reports cus my trusty analog.cfg file got whacked in our last outage. Thanks to John and Garrett for providing me with their config files. :) We saw a big drop in the number of hits(600K) but our page views increased, which is nice to see. Anyone has comments or questions, please share.. .djc. From djc at starkmedia.com Tue Jul 10 11:29:30 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Tue Jul 10 11:29:30 2001 Subject: [thesite] [bug] [fixed] admin.evolt.org - calendar - editing event - date References: <00e101c1088e$9030f3b0$7303020a@hg2p201> Message-ID: <3B4B2C0F.8030800@starkmedia.com> fix0r3zed! Warden, Matt wrote: > should have waited in case i found something else... > > I fooled around with the query string and got an editable month that wasn't > the current month and then clicked on that linked event to edit it. The date > changes to the current date. Just need to add a conditional to check whether > there is already a date value in the database. From dsmah at home.com Tue Jul 10 11:56:47 2001 From: dsmah at home.com (Dean Mah) Date: Tue Jul 10 11:56:47 2001 Subject: [thesite] a.e.o NN4/Linux bug Message-ID: <200107101658.KAA01486@alice.monkeyland.ca> Just so you know... Main navigation menu bar with "Calendar Jobs Websites ..." disappears on secondary pages. It works under Mozilla though. In general navigation seems messed up in NN on Linux. For instance, when clicking the "Jobs" link, I don't get the main navigation bar nor the secondary navigation with "My Tasks My Jobs ...". Dean From mwarden at odyssey-design.com Tue Jul 10 12:45:08 2001 From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Tue Jul 10 12:45:08 2001 Subject: [thesite] june stats.. References: <3B4B1D43.4060404@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <000001c10968$fee5b400$31b01b18@cinci.rr.com> > From: "Daniel J. Cody" > Subject: [thesite] june stats.. > ... > We saw a big drop in the number of hits(600K) but our page views > increased, which is nice to see. Have you figured out why? Less graphical clients? More people with locally-cached version of images and other linked items? Sorry, I don't quite get it. That's not the normal pattern, right? Usually, when page views go up, so do hits, eh? -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From john at userfrenzy.com Tue Jul 10 12:48:11 2001 From: john at userfrenzy.com (John Handelaar) Date: Tue Jul 10 12:48:11 2001 Subject: [thesite] june stats.. In-Reply-To: <000001c10968$fee5b400$31b01b18@cinci.rr.com> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org > [mailto:thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Warden, Matt > Sent: 10 July 2001 18:52 > To: thesite at lists.evolt.org > Subject: Re: [thesite] june stats.. > > Sorry, I don't quite get it. That's not the normal pattern, > right? Usually, > when page views go up, so do hits, eh? Unless the pages get 'thinner' during the same period... ------------------------------------------ John Handelaar T +44 20 7209 4117 M +44 7930 681789 F +44 870 169 7657 E john at userfrenzy.com ------------------------------------------ From mwarden at mattwarden.com Tue Jul 10 13:05:44 2001 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Tue Jul 10 13:05:44 2001 Subject: [thesite] aeo, voting app and Oracle Message-ID: <006e01c1096b$e1247ca0$31b01b18@cinci.rr.com> Dan, Walker has been kind enough to port the DB scripts to Oracle and I've changed the code to use the sequences and have stored that in /home/mwarden/admin_html (it's only the voting files, not the entire admin_html). I notice the voting app is still not working and I was wondering if you saw the emails about this. If not, here's walker's script: CREATE TABLE questions ( question_id number NOT NULL, question_name varchar2 (50) NULL , question text NULL, user_id varchar2 (50), dateadded date, active number NOT NULL, CONSTRAINT questions_pk PRIMARY KEY (question_id) ) STORAGE(INITIAL 5M NEXT 5M); CREATE TABLE choices ( choice_id number NOT NULL, question_id number NULL , choice_name varchar2 (50) NULL , choice text NULL , choice_order number NULL , active number NOT NULL , CONSTRAINT choice_pk PRIMARY KEY (choice_id), FOREIGN KEY (question_id) REFERENCES questions (question_id) ) STORAGE(INITIAL 5M NEXT 5M); CREATE TABLE responses ( response_id number NOT NULL auto_increment, choice_id number NULL , question_id number NULL , user_ip varchar2 (50), user_id varchar2 (50), active number NOT NULL , CONSTRAINT responses_pk PRIMARY KEY (response_id), FOREIGN KEY (question_id) REFERENCES questions (question_id) FOREIGN KEY (choice_id) REFERENCES choices (choice_id) ) STORAGE(INITIAL 5M NEXT 5M); create sequence CHOICE_ID_SEQ increment by 1 start with 1; create sequence QUESTION_ID_SEQ increment by 1 start with 1; create sequence RESPONSE_ID_SEQ increment by 1 start with 1; Now would be the time to change this so we don't have to worry about migrating data. Thanks, -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From djc at starkmedia.com Tue Jul 10 13:25:44 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Tue Jul 10 13:25:44 2001 Subject: [thesite] june stats.. References: <3B4B1D43.4060404@starkmedia.com> <000001c10968$fee5b400$31b01b18@cinci.rr.com> Message-ID: <3B4B474D.8070006@starkmedia.com> upon further review, it makes sense(tm) I changed all the subsites to point to http://leo.evolt.org/images/spacer.gif(for example) to get their shared images from(icons at top, tab logo, spcers) and didn't run leo.evolt.org's stats.. if i factor in the access.log for leo.evolt.org (not to be confused with lists.evolt.org) we'd see another 500K+ hits probably.. mystery solved :) .djc. Warden, Matt wrote: >>From: "Daniel J. Cody" >>Subject: [thesite] june stats.. >> >> > > ... > >>We saw a big drop in the number of hits(600K) but our page views >>increased, which is nice to see. >> > > Have you figured out why? Less graphical clients? More people with > locally-cached version of images and other linked items? > > Sorry, I don't quite get it. That's not the normal pattern, right? Usually, > when page views go up, so do hits, eh? From djc at starkmedia.com Tue Jul 10 14:02:41 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Tue Jul 10 14:02:41 2001 Subject: [thesite] aeo, voting app and Oracle References: <006e01c1096b$e1247ca0$31b01b18@cinci.rr.com> Message-ID: <3B4B4FF5.9060202@starkmedia.com> no i didnt see this first time around, thanks matty.. its up and working now, i've added one voting question just to test and it looks ok. thanks a lot for changing the code for me, made it a lot easier :) if anyone gets an error when they hit that page about session.userid, log out and log back in, i'm trying to pin down a bug with the session timing out.. lemme know how it works :) thanks again matt .djc. Warden, Matt wrote: > Dan, > > Walker has been kind enough to port the DB scripts to Oracle and I've > changed the code to use the sequences and have stored that in > /home/mwarden/admin_html (it's only the voting files, not the entire > admin_html). I notice the voting app is still not working and I was > wondering if you saw the emails about this. If not, here's walker's script: From djc at starkmedia.com Tue Jul 10 15:37:19 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Tue Jul 10 15:37:19 2001 Subject: [thesite] a.e.o NN4/Linux bug References: <200107101658.KAA01486@alice.monkeyland.ca> Message-ID: <3B4B6622.6060108@starkmedia.com> elfur and david are cleaning up the HTML as we speak.. can either of you two check this out please? :) they're also working on a more attractive front end. thanks dean Dean Mah wrote: > Just so you know... > > Main navigation menu bar with "Calendar Jobs Websites ..." disappears > on secondary pages. It works under Mozilla though. > > In general navigation seems messed up in NN on Linux. For instance, > when clicking the "Jobs" link, I don't get the main navigation bar nor > the secondary navigation with "My Tasks My Jobs ...". From mccreath at ak.net Tue Jul 10 15:41:21 2001 From: mccreath at ak.net (David Mccreath) Date: Tue Jul 10 15:41:21 2001 Subject: [thesite] a.e.o NN4/Linux bug Message-ID: <27b67027f9f3.27f9f327b670@augustine.gci.net> Yah. I'll check it tonight. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel J. Cody" Date: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 12:31 pm Subject: Re: [thesite] a.e.o NN4/Linux bug > elfur and david are cleaning up the HTML as we speak.. can either > of you > two check this out please? :) > > they're also working on a more attractive front end. > > thanks dean > > Dean Mah wrote: > > > Just so you know... > > > > Main navigation menu bar with "Calendar Jobs Websites ..." > disappears> on secondary pages. It works under Mozilla though. > > > > In general navigation seems messed up in NN on Linux. For instance, > > when clicking the "Jobs" link, I don't get the main navigation > bar nor > > the secondary navigation with "My Tasks My Jobs ...". > > > > _______________________________________________ > For unsubscribe, archive, and options, go to: > http://lists.evolt.org/mailman/listinfo/thesite > From mccreath at ak.net Tue Jul 10 22:39:13 2001 From: mccreath at ak.net (mccreath) Date: Tue Jul 10 22:39:13 2001 Subject: [thesite] NN4/Linux on aeo fixed, I think Message-ID: Dean and/or anyone else with NN4/Linux ... Take a look at the "jobs" subsection of a.e.o. and tell me if the menu tables are showing up now, please. I don't wanna "fix" the rest of the sections until I know this worked. Gracias! David From dsmah at home.com Tue Jul 10 22:56:16 2001 From: dsmah at home.com (Dean Mah) Date: Tue Jul 10 22:56:16 2001 Subject: [thesite] NN4/Linux on aeo fixed, I think In-Reply-To: from "mccreath" at Jul 10, 2001 07:37:40 PM Message-ID: <200107110357.VAA03260@alice.monkeyland.ca> Excellent! Worked like a charm. Thanks, Dean mccreath writes: > Dean and/or anyone else with NN4/Linux ... > > Take a look at the "jobs" subsection of a.e.o. and tell me if the menu > tables are showing up now, please. I don't wanna "fix" the rest of the > sections until I know this worked. > > Gracias! > > David From mccreath at ak.net Tue Jul 10 23:02:11 2001 From: mccreath at ak.net (mccreath) Date: Tue Jul 10 23:02:11 2001 Subject: [thesite] NN4/Linux on aeo fixed, I think In-Reply-To: <200107110357.VAA03260@alice.monkeyland.ca> Message-ID: cool. I'll get the rest of them. Thanks, Dean. > -----Original Message----- > From: thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org > [mailto:thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Dean Mah > Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 7:58 PM > To: thesite at lists.evolt.org > Subject: Re: [thesite] NN4/Linux on aeo fixed, I think > > > Excellent! Worked like a charm. > > Thanks, > Dean > > > mccreath writes: > > > Dean and/or anyone else with NN4/Linux ... > > > > Take a look at the "jobs" subsection of a.e.o. and tell me if the menu > > tables are showing up now, please. I don't wanna "fix" the rest of the > > sections until I know this worked. > > > > Gracias! > > > > David > > _______________________________________________ > For unsubscribe, archive, and options, go to: > http://lists.evolt.org/mailman/listinfo/thesite From michele at wordpro.on.ca Wed Jul 11 03:45:15 2001 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Wed Jul 11 03:45:15 2001 Subject: [thesite] [a.e.o.][Bug] Error Saving New Job Message-ID: <001101c109e5$e877a340$d4069ad8@mef> Dan, Got this error while saving a new job. Michele Error! Diagnostics: Expression result cannot be converted to a string Expressions used inside tags like CFOUTPUT, CFQUERY, CFMAIL, etc. must evaluate to a value that can be converted to a string for output or dynamic text accumulation purposes. Complex objects, such as queries, arrays, and COM/DCOM objects, cannot be represented as strings. The error occurred while processing an element with a general identifier of (#attributes.task_id#), occupying document position (11:20) to (11:39) in the template file /home/evolt/admin_html/jobs/edit/act_update_mail.cfm. DateTime: Wed Jul 11 03:42:57 2001 Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98) Content: #Error.GeneratedContent# Remote Address: 216.154.6.212 Refering Document: http://admin.evolt.org/jobs/index.cfm?action=Edit Template: /home/evolt/admin_html/jobs/index.cfm Query String: Please email this page to dan. From djc at starkmedia.com Wed Jul 11 11:25:13 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Wed Jul 11 11:25:13 2001 Subject: [thesite] [a.e.o.][Bug] Error Saving New Job References: <001101c109e5$e877a340$d4069ad8@mef> Message-ID: <3B4C7C9E.2050707@starkmedia.com> mich, what job were you updating when you got this?? i can't seem to reproduce the error, so maybe its a specific incident.. also, i bumped up your access so you can see everything :) thnx .djc. Michele Foster wrote: > Dan, > > Got this error while saving a new job. > > > Michele > > > > Error! > > Diagnostics: > Expression result cannot be converted to a string > Expressions used inside tags like CFOUTPUT, CFQUERY, CFMAIL, etc. must > evaluate to a value that can be converted to a string for output or dynamic > text accumulation purposes. Complex objects, such as queries, arrays, and > COM/DCOM objects, cannot be represented as strings. From michele at wordpro.on.ca Wed Jul 11 11:59:45 2001 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Wed Jul 11 11:59:45 2001 Subject: [thesite] [a.e.o.][Bug] Error Saving New Job References: <001101c109e5$e877a340$d4069ad8@mef> <3B4C7C9E.2050707@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <013601c10a2b$03a37500$d4069ad8@mef> Dan, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel J. Cody" | mich, what job were you updating when you got this?? i can't seem to | reproduce the error, so maybe its a specific incident.. Strange .. I'm still getting the errror again. But I notice the jobs have been saved. You'll note I added a couple new ones. I've more to add, so, I'll see if I can narrow it down. I've added jobs to different clients and different web sites, so that's not the issue. I've not modified the job number in any way. Last night, I tried it without filling in all the information, and the form handling process worked perfectly. I'm not sure what to suggest. | | also, i bumped up your access so you can see everything :) Great .. now, can ya do me another favour .. and add a TestUser with general privs so that I can write the docs .. sorry, hadn't thought of that impact. Michele From martin at members.evolt.org Wed Jul 11 14:16:51 2001 From: martin at members.evolt.org (Martin) Date: Wed Jul 11 14:16:51 2001 Subject: [thesite] june stats.. Message-ID: <078a52617190b71PCOW028M@blueyonder.co.uk> John Handelaar wrote on 10/7/01 6:48 pm >> Sorry, I don't quite get it. That's not the normal pattern, >> right? Usually, >> when page views go up, so do hits, eh? > >Unless the pages get 'thinner' during the same period... One possibility is that more hits are to the site(s), rather than beo downloads. Cheers martin _______________________________________________ email: martin at easyweb.co.uk PGP ID: 0xA835CCCB martin at members.evolt.org snailmail: 30 Shandon Place tel: +44 (0)774 063 9985 Edinburgh, url: http://www.easyweb.co.uk Scotland From martin at easyweb.co.uk Wed Jul 11 16:23:55 2001 From: martin at easyweb.co.uk (Martin Burns) Date: Wed Jul 11 16:23:55 2001 Subject: [thesite] meo running slow? Message-ID: <03f8a2824210b71PCOW029M@blueyonder.co.uk> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Is anyone else having problems accessing meo? Pages/images are slow and POP3 is timing out for me. Cheers Martin -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use Comment: Content after the signature block is *not* signed iQA/AwUBO0zSGHHoHnCoNczLEQIztQCg8+chX0OOK1I7n/7laSki0VJcEH8Anifo GL53JnutUgK+cLK/PZro9SnS =teo0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ email: martin at easyweb.co.uk PGP ID: 0xA835CCCB martin at members.evolt.org snailmail: 30 Shandon Place tel: +44 (0)774 063 9985 Edinburgh, url: http://www.easyweb.co.uk Scotland From martin at members.evolt.org Wed Jul 11 16:36:42 2001 From: martin at members.evolt.org (Martin) Date: Wed Jul 11 16:36:42 2001 Subject: [thesite] meo running slow? Message-ID: <0c8831737210b71PCOW035M@blueyonder.co.uk> Martin Burns wrote on 11/7/01 10:24 pm >Is anyone else having problems accessing meo? Back to normal now. Cheers Martin _______________________________________________ email: martin at easyweb.co.uk PGP ID: 0xA835CCCB martin at members.evolt.org snailmail: 30 Shandon Place tel: +44 (0)774 063 9985 Edinburgh, url: http://www.easyweb.co.uk Scotland From djc at starkmedia.com Wed Jul 11 17:39:04 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Wed Jul 11 17:39:04 2001 Subject: [thesite] fyi, some new network layouts.. Message-ID: <3B4CD43E.8060004@starkmedia.com> hi.. if you notice anything 'wanky' in terms of connection speed or connection problems with any of the evolt sites, please let me know(hard for me to tell being just off the same network they're on) i'm experimenting with dedicating a small subnet of my class c just for evolt and tweaking the router here and there to see if we get any better performance and to cut us out of the starkmedia traffic. thanks :) .djc. - wanna be ccie - From javier at msm.cl Fri Jul 13 09:45:54 2001 From: javier at msm.cl (mantruc) Date: Fri Jul 13 09:45:54 2001 Subject: [thesite] evolt map References: <3B45B0D9.9030100@vernum.com> <3B4A1229.AD062A7B@msm.cl> <3B4AB31B.90708@vernum.com> <3B4B08C7.4B8F6AD@msm.cl> <3B4DEC67.9070309@vernum.com> Message-ID: <3B4F087B.7CE6DE21@msm.cl> hi there has been interest in resurrecting the project of the evolt map years ago, i was learning flash and made a flash map that showed in first instance a worldmap, and one could click in each continent to zoom it in and show the evolt memebers at each location, with some of their personal info http://members.evolt.org/mantruc/map/map2.html but that was done manually and it would be senseless to try to put all of the current evolt members on such kind of map i know Dean has worked on some dynamic maps which are flat (not zoomable) but it can recieve input to generate new dots, but i haven't seen them i think this is the away to go this time we've also discussed on how to solve the problem for placing more than one member in the same location, i think this can be solved through some kind of color scale i'd love to see this project finally see the light, and finally see the actual location of our grown up community, i'm not into any kind of programming, so what i can offer is to prepare the base worldmap and do some planning on the interface and design the input form do texts, design the color scale for multi user dots,etc i just can't help building an app so just raise your hand if you want to work on this -- javier http://mantruc.com From joxn at vernum.com Sat Jul 14 10:31:09 2001 From: joxn at vernum.com (Joxn) Date: Sat Jul 14 10:31:09 2001 Subject: [thesite] evolt map References: <3B45B0D9.9030100@vernum.com> <3B4A1229.AD062A7B@msm.cl> <3B4AB31B.90708@vernum.com> <3B4B08C7.4B8F6AD@msm.cl> <3B4DEC67.9070309@vernum.com> <3B4F087B.7CE6DE21@msm.cl> Message-ID: <3B5064D6.2000709@vernum.com> mantruc wrote: > years ago, i was learning flash and made a flash map that showed > in first instance a worldmap, and one could click in each continent > to zoom it in and show the evolt memebers at each location, with some > of their personal info > > http://members.evolt.org/mantruc/map/map2.html Cool, looks great. > i know Dean has worked on some dynamic maps which are flat (not > zoomable) > but it can recieve input to generate new dots, but i haven't seen them > i think this is the away to go this time > > we've also discussed on how to solve the problem for placing more than > one member in the same location, i think this can be solved through some > kind of color scale +1, though the evolt cubes look really cool, too. > i'd love to see this project finally see the light, and finally see the > actual location of our grown up community, i'm not into any kind of > programming, so what i can offer is to prepare the base worldmap > and do some planning on the interface and design the input form > do texts, design the color scale for multi user dots,etc > i just can't help building an app I don't know Flash on the other hand. I oould figure out how to create a DB driven image via PHP, but zooming wouldn't be possible. Again, I really like the general look of the map. I only heard rumours that you can connect Flash5 (4, too?) with a DB. Does anyone know for sure? bye Joxn -- || //\\ \\// |\\|| :: joxn at vernum.com :: \\|| \\// //\\ ||\\| :: 8053703 :: From elfur at members.evolt.org Sat Jul 14 11:01:59 2001 From: elfur at members.evolt.org (Elfur Logadottir) Date: Sat Jul 14 11:01:59 2001 Subject: [thesite] evolt map References: <3B45B0D9.9030100@vernum.com> <3B4A1229.AD062A7B@msm.cl> <3B4AB31B.90708@vernum.com> <3B4B08C7.4B8F6AD@msm.cl> <3B4DEC67.9070309@vernum.com> <3B4F087B.7CE6DE21@msm.cl> <3B5064D6.2000709@vernum.com> Message-ID: <0e6801c10c7d$d8559fe0$40aefea9@DWARFS> From: "Joxn" | > http://members.evolt.org/mantruc/map/map2.html | | Again, I really like the general look of the map. | I only heard rumours that you can connect Flash5 (4, too?) with a DB. | Does anyone know for sure? yes flash 5 can be connected to db ... we even have an article on the site about it (well it talks about working with CF but hey ... isn't that even better, then we can integrate it into the member profile files that are on the table ...) http://www.evolt.org/article/Integrating_Flash_and_ColdFusion/18/9155/index .html now if you really want to see this happening maybe you should call for assistance on thelist ... and bring the people with knowledge with you on thesite list and just whip it up ... or ... whatever :) e *the interfering one* From michele at wordpro.on.ca Tue Jul 17 12:55:34 2001 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Tue Jul 17 12:55:34 2001 Subject: [thesite] [a.e.o.] Notification Emails Message-ID: <01b501c10ee9$be05bb20$01119ad8@mef> Dan, When will the notification emails be up and running? Any chance you can get that working by tomorrow? Thanks, Michele From bheerssen at visualbridge.tv Tue Jul 17 13:42:27 2001 From: bheerssen at visualbridge.tv (Bruce Heerssen) Date: Tue Jul 17 13:42:27 2001 Subject: [thesite] evolt map References: <3B45B0D9.9030100@vernum.com> <3B4A1229.AD062A7B@msm.cl> <3B4AB31B.90708@vernum.com> <3B4B08C7.4B8F6AD@msm.cl> <3B4DEC67.9070309@vernum.com> <3B4F087B.7CE6DE21@msm.cl> <3B5064D6.2000709@vernum.com> <0e6801c10c7d$d8559fe0$40aefea9@DWARFS> Message-ID: <3B548761.7030400@visualbridge.tv> Elfur Logadottir wrote: >From: "Joxn" > >| > http://members.evolt.org/mantruc/map/map2.html >| >| Again, I really like the general look of the map. >| I only heard rumours that you can connect Flash5 (4, too?) with a DB. >| Does anyone know for sure? > >yes flash 5 can be connected to db ... we even have an article on the site >about it (well it talks about working with CF but hey ... isn't that even >better, then we can integrate it into the member profile files that are on >the table ...) > From a Flash standpoint, this wouldn't be too hard. The hard part is getting the data in usable format, like longitude and latitude coordinates. Does anyone know of a way to find the lat&lon of any location in the world given a valid postal address? A cgi, or better yet, an online service would be ideal. Once that is known, it shouldn't be too hard to pass that info to flash. -Bruce From djc at starkmedia.com Tue Jul 17 13:46:28 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Tue Jul 17 13:46:28 2001 Subject: [thesite] [a.e.o.][Bug] Error Saving New Job References: <001101c109e5$e877a340$d4069ad8@mef> Message-ID: <3B54868E.9040705@starkmedia.com> mich, fYI i've replicated this finally and fixed it.. .djc. Michele Foster wrote: > Dan, > > Got this error while saving a new job. > > > Michele > > > > Error! > > Diagnostics: > Expression result cannot be converted to a string > Expressions used inside tags like CFOUTPUT, CFQUERY, CFMAIL, etc. must > evaluate to a value that can be converted to a string for output or dynamic > text accumulation purposes. Complex objects, such as queries, arrays, and > COM/DCOM objects, cannot be represented as strings. > > The error occurred while processing an element with a general identifier of > (#attributes.task_id#), occupying document position (11:20) to (11:39) in > the template file /home/evolt/admin_html/jobs/edit/act_update_mail.cfm. From djc at starkmedia.com Tue Jul 17 13:47:09 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Tue Jul 17 13:47:09 2001 Subject: [thesite] [a.e.o.] Notification Emails References: <01b501c10ee9$be05bb20$01119ad8@mef> Message-ID: <3B5486B7.7050108@starkmedia.com> they should be working now. creation of a new job as well as editing a job will mail out a reminder to those involved. anything else?? .djc. Michele Foster wrote: > Dan, > > When will the notification emails be up and running? Any chance you can get > that working by tomorrow? > > Thanks, > > Michele > > > > _______________________________________________ > For unsubscribe, archive, and options, go to: > http://lists.evolt.org/mailman/listinfo/thesite > From michele at wordpro.on.ca Tue Jul 17 14:04:08 2001 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Tue Jul 17 14:04:08 2001 Subject: [thesite] [a.e.o.] Notification Emails References: <01b501c10ee9$be05bb20$01119ad8@mef> <3B5486B7.7050108@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <000c01c10ef3$515bd860$17059ad8@mef> Dan, Does it nag for past due jobs? ;) What's Matt working on? M ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel J. Cody" | they should be working now. creation of a new job as well as editing a | job will mail out a reminder to those involved. | | anything else?? | From djc at starkmedia.com Tue Jul 17 14:09:45 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Tue Jul 17 14:09:45 2001 Subject: [thesite] [a.e.o.] Notification Emails References: <01b501c10ee9$be05bb20$01119ad8@mef> <3B5486B7.7050108@starkmedia.com> <000c01c10ef3$515bd860$17059ad8@mef> Message-ID: <3B548C02.8020100@starkmedia.com> not yet, but i'll add that to upcoming features.. Michele Foster wrote: > Dan, > > Does it nag for past due jobs? ;) From mwarden at mattwarden.com Tue Jul 17 14:11:23 2001 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Tue Jul 17 14:11:23 2001 Subject: [thesite] [a.e.o.] Notification Emails In-Reply-To: <000c01c10ef3$515bd860$17059ad8@mef> Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, Michele Foster wrote: >What's Matt working on? The nagging... But dan pulled rank. Not really. But he has it now. -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From judi at frognet.net Tue Jul 17 14:33:26 2001 From: judi at frognet.net (Judith Taylor) Date: Tue Jul 17 14:33:26 2001 Subject: [thesite] evolt map In-Reply-To: <3B548761.7030400@visualbridge.tv> References: <3B45B0D9.9030100@vernum.com> <3B4A1229.AD062A7B@msm.cl> <3B4AB31B.90708@vernum.com> <3B4B08C7.4B8F6AD@msm.cl> <3B4DEC67.9070309@vernum.com> <3B4F087B.7CE6DE21@msm.cl> <3B5064D6.2000709@vernum.com> <0e6801c10c7d$d8559fe0$40aefea9@DWARFS> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010717153220.00a55d90@mail.frognet.net> Here's a wierd idea....check with some of the online astrology sites. They have something in place that allows people to find their lat & long simply by putting in the town and state or country of their birth. You might be able to find something like that somewhere..... Just a thought ~judi Bruce Heerssen put into words: > From a Flash standpoint, this wouldn't be too hard. The hard part is > getting the data in usable format, like longitude and latitude > coordinates. Does anyone know of a way to find the lat&lon of any > location in the world given a valid postal address? A cgi, or better yet, > an online service would be ideal. > >Once that is known, it shouldn't be too hard to pass that info to flash. > >-Bruce Judith Taylor ICQ: 67460562 Freelance ColdFusion Developer - Athens, OH Friends don't let friends code before coffee. From wolfboy69 at earthlink.net Tue Jul 17 14:58:37 2001 From: wolfboy69 at earthlink.net (Michael Wolfe) Date: Tue Jul 17 14:58:37 2001 Subject: [thesite] evolt map In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010717153220.00a55d90@mail.frognet.net> References: <3B548761.7030400@visualbridge.tv> <3B45B0D9.9030100@vernum.com> <3B4A1229.AD062A7B@msm.cl> <3B4AB31B.90708@vernum.com> <3B4B08C7.4B8F6AD@msm.cl> <3B4DEC67.9070309@vernum.com> <3B4F087B.7CE6DE21@msm.cl> <3B5064D6.2000709@vernum.com> <0e6801c10c7d$d8559fe0$40aefea9@DWARFS> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010717125124.00a82d60@mail.earthlink.net> I have a copy of the 1990 GIS file from the US Census Bureau. If you would like me to send it to you, contact me off-list. Also, I can give you some pointers on how to set up a reference table. ___________________ Michael Wolfe Senior Software Engineer eWork Exchange, Inc. http://www.ework.com http://www.ework.com/prosource mwolfe at ework.com At 03:33 PM 7/17/01 -0400, you wrote: >Here's a wierd idea....check with some of the online astrology sites. They >have something in place that allows people to find their lat & long simply >by putting in the town and state or country of their birth. You might be >able to find something like that somewhere..... > >Just a thought > >~judi > >Bruce Heerssen put into words: > >> From a Flash standpoint, this wouldn't be too hard. The hard part is >> getting the data in usable format, like longitude and latitude >> coordinates. Does anyone know of a way to find the lat&lon of any >> location in the world given a valid postal address? A cgi, or better >> yet, an online service would be ideal. >> >>Once that is known, it shouldn't be too hard to pass that info to flash. >> >>-Bruce > >Judith Taylor >ICQ: 67460562 >Freelance ColdFusion Developer - Athens, OH > >Friends don't let friends code before coffee. > > >_______________________________________________ >For unsubscribe, archive, and options, go to: >http://lists.evolt.org/mailman/listinfo/thesite From rthigpen at nc.rr.com Tue Jul 17 15:11:48 2001 From: rthigpen at nc.rr.com (Ron Thigpen) Date: Tue Jul 17 15:11:48 2001 Subject: [thesite] evolt map References: <3B45B0D9.9030100@vernum.com> <3B4A1229.AD062A7B@msm.cl> <3B4AB31B.90708@vernum.com> <3B4B08C7.4B8F6AD@msm.cl> <3B4DEC67.9070309@vernum.com> <3B4F087B.7CE6DE21@msm.cl> <3B5064D6.2000709@vernum.com> <0e6801c10c7d$d8559fe0$40aefea9@DWARFS> <3B548761.7030400@visualbridge.tv> Message-ID: <3B549C0D.60602@nc.rr.com> MapBlast does this. It's not intended to be used as a web-based data service, but it sure does what you need. A cookbook --- -Gather user address data, store in db leaving fields for lat/long -Find db entries w/o lat/long defined -Go thru them 1 by one, getting data from MapBlast -Store lat/long in db For CF, use CFHTTP Do a GET from MapBlast, submit a URL in this form (watch wrap): http://www.mapblast.com/myblast/map.mb?&GMI=1&forceAddr=1&C MD=GEO&CT=&IC=&LV=&GMI=&GAD1=&GAD2=&GAD3=&GAD4=&noPrefs=&req_action=crmap&skip=&serch=&PHONE=&noBRP=&remLoc=&AD4=USA&AD2_street=1600+Pennsylvania+Avenue&AD3=20502&apmenu=&apcode=&x=49&y=18&selCategory= set AD2_street='street address' (ex:'1600+Pennsylvania+Avenue') AD4=USA (or one of their other country codes, crib from their pages) AD3=zip5 (ex:'20502') url encode strings, natch. some of those URL vars likely aren't required, clean up at will Do a string match on the output, looking for this: &IC=38.8985:-77.0371:8:&CT=38.8985:-77.0371 or this: extract these values and punch them into the db. fun! --rt Bruce Heerssen wrote: > Elfur Logadottir wrote: > From a Flash standpoint, this wouldn't be too hard. The hard part is > getting the data in usable format, like longitude and latitude > coordinates. Does anyone know of a way to find the lat&lon of any > location in the world given a valid postal address? A cgi, or better > yet, an online service would be ideal. > From javier at msm.cl Tue Jul 17 15:32:00 2001 From: javier at msm.cl (mantruc) Date: Tue Jul 17 15:32:00 2001 Subject: [thesite] evolt map References: <3B45B0D9.9030100@vernum.com> <3B4A1229.AD062A7B@msm.cl> <3B4AB31B.90708@vernum.com> <3B4B08C7.4B8F6AD@msm.cl> <3B4DEC67.9070309@vernum.com> <3B4F087B.7CE6DE21@msm.cl> <3B5064D6.2000709@vernum.com> <0e6801c10c7d$d8559fe0$40aefea9@DWARFS> <3B548761.7030400@visualbridge.tv> Message-ID: <3B54A077.F1CAFAEB@msm.cl> Bruce Heerssen wrote: > From a Flash standpoint, this wouldn't be too hard. The hard part is > getting the data in usable format, like longitude and latitude > coordinates. Does anyone know of a way to find the lat&lon of any > location in the world given a valid postal address? A cgi, or better > yet, an online service would be ideal. > > Once that is known, it shouldn't be too hard to pass that info to flash. Bruce, do you know well how to develop Flash with DB? my flash knowledge is only the basics, but i do have the base files already, so if you know how to do it i'll gladly help i'm sill not sold out to the idea of doing this only in flash what do the rest of you think is the bst way to go? to get your coordinates here's a bunch of URL, thanks to Dean If you don't know your lat. and long. check out: GPS locations for airports: http://www.airnav.com/ By zip code (US only): http://www.geocode.com/eagle.html-ssi Canadian, US and some European maps: http://www.mapblast.com/myblast/ Australian database: http://www.auslig.gov.au/mapping/names/names.htm Canadian database: http://GeoNames.NRCan.gc.ca/ Getty Thesaurus of Geographic Names: http://www.getty.edu/research/tools/vocabulary/tgn/ Get your coordinates and horoscope too: http://www.astro.com/cgi-bin/atlw3/aq.cgi?lang=e -- javier http://mantruc.com From bheerssen at visualbridge.tv Tue Jul 17 15:47:09 2001 From: bheerssen at visualbridge.tv (Bruce Heerssen) Date: Tue Jul 17 15:47:09 2001 Subject: [thesite] evolt map References: <3B45B0D9.9030100@vernum.com> <3B4A1229.AD062A7B@msm.cl> <3B4AB31B.90708@vernum.com> <3B4B08C7.4B8F6AD@msm.cl> <3B4DEC67.9070309@vernum.com> <3B4F087B.7CE6DE21@msm.cl> <3B5064D6.2000709@vernum.com> <0e6801c10c7d$d8559fe0$40aefea9@DWARFS> <3B548761.7030400@visualbridge.tv> <3B549C0D.60602@nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <3B54A496.4030605@visualbridge.tv> Ron Thigpen wrote: > MapBlast does this. It's not intended to be used as a web-based data > service, but it sure does what you need. > > A cookbook --- > > -Gather user address data, store in db leaving fields for lat/long > -Find db entries w/o lat/long defined > -Go thru them 1 by one, getting data from MapBlast > -Store lat/long in db Excellent! Now we need a good, reasonably accurate flat map of the world complete with lat & lon. marks. Convert these to percentages for flash's sake, and do the same for the variables, place a dot in the appropriate places. The embed code would look something like: tags. Sound do-able? Anyone know of a suitable map we could use? It should be reasonably large scale, maybe 400 x 600 px - we can get the file size down by manipulating the color depth if necessary. > fun! Yes! Now, having the dots zoom in to the local region would be much more difficult - not worth it, IMO. But a simple flyout showing member info for each dot (or group of dots) would be okay. Oh, and let's not forget about privacy issues. I don't mean to be a stick in the mud, but it's something to think about. Opinions anyone? -Bruce From rthigpen at nc.rr.com Tue Jul 17 16:08:15 2001 From: rthigpen at nc.rr.com (Ron Thigpen) Date: Tue Jul 17 16:08:15 2001 Subject: [thesite] evolt map References: <3B45B0D9.9030100@vernum.com> <3B4A1229.AD062A7B@msm.cl> <3B4AB31B.90708@vernum.com> <3B4B08C7.4B8F6AD@msm.cl> <3B4DEC67.9070309@vernum.com> <3B4F087B.7CE6DE21@msm.cl> <3B5064D6.2000709@vernum.com> <0e6801c10c7d$d8559fe0$40aefea9@DWARFS> <3B548761.7030400@visualbridge.tv> <3B549C0D.60602@nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <3B54A93E.1010405@nc.rr.com> Another service. http://www.census.gov/cgi-bin/gazetteer-tbl?zip=27608 US only. Zip driven, so less precision. OK for our purposes, esp. if not zooming in. Could code to check multiple services on failure. Might look for international service w/ at least per-country precision. Of course we could just futz up our own lookup table for this. For privacy, we might want to set an opt-in/opt-out flag. If we're aggregating w/o zoom, opt-out might be OK. Might also think about letting users enter their own lat/long coords. This could be good for internationals not covered by these services. Good also for goofballs who'd like us to think they live in Antarctica... --rt From javier at msm.cl Tue Jul 17 16:13:46 2001 From: javier at msm.cl (mantruc) Date: Tue Jul 17 16:13:46 2001 Subject: [thesite] evolt map References: <3B45B0D9.9030100@vernum.com> <3B4A1229.AD062A7B@msm.cl> <3B4AB31B.90708@vernum.com> <3B4B08C7.4B8F6AD@msm.cl> <3B4DEC67.9070309@vernum.com> <3B4F087B.7CE6DE21@msm.cl> <3B5064D6.2000709@vernum.com> <0e6801c10c7d$d8559fe0$40aefea9@DWARFS> <3B548761.7030400@visualbridge.tv> <3B549C0D.60602@nc.rr.com> <3B54A496.4030605@visualbridge.tv> Message-ID: <3B54AA34.4603AD1A@msm.cl> Bruce Heerssen wrote: > Excellent! Now we need a good, reasonably accurate flat map of the world > complete with lat & lon. marks. Convert these to percentages for flash's > sake, and do the same for the variables, place a dot in the appropriate > places. cool will search for it... The embed code would look something like: > > > And the same for the tags. > > Sound do-able? Anyone know of a suitable map we could use? It should be > reasonably large scale, maybe 400 x 600 px - we can get the file size > down by manipulating the color depth if necessary. cool we only have to not forget the multiple members in one city thing > > > fun! > > Yes! absolutely! > Now, having the dots zoom in to the local region would be much more > difficult - not worth it, IMO. But a simple flyout showing member info > for each dot (or group of dots) would be okay. would be cool, i agree the zoom in is not worth it > Oh, and let's not forget about privacy issues. I don't mean to be a > stick in the mud, but it's something to think about. Opinions anyone? i don't get your point i think we should capture the location from the member pages -- javier http://mantruc.com From javier at msm.cl Tue Jul 17 16:23:35 2001 From: javier at msm.cl (mantruc) Date: Tue Jul 17 16:23:35 2001 Subject: [thesite] evolt map References: <3B45B0D9.9030100@vernum.com> <3B4A1229.AD062A7B@msm.cl> <3B4AB31B.90708@vernum.com> <3B4B08C7.4B8F6AD@msm.cl> <3B4DEC67.9070309@vernum.com> <3B4F087B.7CE6DE21@msm.cl> <3B5064D6.2000709@vernum.com> <0e6801c10c7d$d8559fe0$40aefea9@DWARFS> <3B548761.7030400@visualbridge.tv> <3B549C0D.60602@nc.rr.com> <3B54A496.4030605@visualbridge.tv> Message-ID: <3B54AC7E.A9089796@msm.cl> Bruce Heerssen wrote: > Excellent! Now we need a good, reasonably accurate flat map of the world > complete with lat & lon. marks. http://www.lhs.berkeley.edu/SII/SII-EarthIce/worldmapS.gif courtesy: images.google.com -- javier http://mantruc.com From bheerssen at visualbridge.tv Wed Jul 18 01:27:19 2001 From: bheerssen at visualbridge.tv (Bruce Heerssen) Date: Wed Jul 18 01:27:19 2001 Subject: [thesite] evolt map References: <3B45B0D9.9030100@vernum.com> <3B4A1229.AD062A7B@msm.cl> <3B4AB31B.90708@vernum.com> <3B4B08C7.4B8F6AD@msm.cl> <3B4DEC67.9070309@vernum.com> <3B4F087B.7CE6DE21@msm.cl> <3B5064D6.2000709@vernum.com> <0e6801c10c7d$d8559fe0$40aefea9@DWARFS> <3B548761.7030400@visualbridge.tv> <3B549C0D.60602@nc.rr.com> <3B54A496.4030605@visualbridge.tv> <3B54AC7E.A9089796@msm.cl> Message-ID: <3B552C97.7020406@visualbridge.tv> mantruc wrote: >http://www.lhs.berkeley.edu/SII/SII-EarthIce/worldmapS.gif > Nice. Generating longitudes along a curve should be interesting. Of course the lattitudes are a piece of cake. I'll try to find time to work up a proof of concept .swf. Hopefully by this weekend. -Bruce From bheerssen at visualbridge.tv Wed Jul 18 01:46:30 2001 From: bheerssen at visualbridge.tv (Bruce Heerssen) Date: Wed Jul 18 01:46:30 2001 Subject: [thesite] evolt map References: <3B45B0D9.9030100@vernum.com> <3B4A1229.AD062A7B@msm.cl> <3B4AB31B.90708@vernum.com> <3B4B08C7.4B8F6AD@msm.cl> <3B4DEC67.9070309@vernum.com> <3B4F087B.7CE6DE21@msm.cl> <3B5064D6.2000709@vernum.com> <0e6801c10c7d$d8559fe0$40aefea9@DWARFS> <3B548761.7030400@visualbridge.tv> <3B549C0D.60602@nc.rr.com> <3B54A496.4030605@visualbridge.tv> <3B54AA34.4603AD1A@msm.cl> Message-ID: <3B552BF6.7090905@visualbridge.tv> mantruc wrote: > >cool >we only have to not forget the multiple members in one city thing > Yeah, that's going to take some thought. I'm open to suggestions. > >>Oh, and let's not forget about privacy issues. I don't mean to be a >>stick in the mud, but it's something to think about. Opinions anyone? >> > > >i don't get your point > >i think we should capture the location from the member pages > Yes, it's probably not an issue, but we must be vigilant about such things. It's not a problem IMO if the members have already provided the info (which of course, they must've if we've got it). Anyway, just a thought. This is a complicated project, but I'm sure it can be done. Anyone for a #evolt session this weekend? -Bruce From javier at msm.cl Wed Jul 18 08:09:38 2001 From: javier at msm.cl (mantruc) Date: Wed Jul 18 08:09:38 2001 Subject: [thesite] evolt map References: <3B45B0D9.9030100@vernum.com> <3B4A1229.AD062A7B@msm.cl> <3B4AB31B.90708@vernum.com> <3B4B08C7.4B8F6AD@msm.cl> <3B4DEC67.9070309@vernum.com> <3B4F087B.7CE6DE21@msm.cl> <3B5064D6.2000709@vernum.com> <0e6801c10c7d$d8559fe0$40aefea9@DWARFS> <3B548761.7030400@visualbridge.tv> <3B549C0D.60602@nc.rr.com> <3B54A496.4030605@visualbridge.tv> <3B54AC7E.A9089796@msm.cl> <3B552C97.7020406@visualbridge.tv> Message-ID: <3B558A47.CDD7526F@msm.cl> Bruce Heerssen wrote: > > mantruc wrote: > > >http://www.lhs.berkeley.edu/SII/SII-EarthIce/worldmapS.gif > > > Nice. Generating longitudes along a curve should be interesting. Of > course the lattitudes are a piece of cake. I'll try to find time to work > up a proof of concept .swf. Hopefully by this weekend. is that image ok for you? i found another one that had the longitudes straight but the numbere weren't marked i have some traced maps in my back ups, but they don't mark the lat long numbers either -- javier http://mantruc.com From r937 at interlog.com Wed Jul 18 08:33:27 2001 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Wed Jul 18 08:33:27 2001 Subject: [thesite] evolt map Message-ID: <01c10f8e$33c4e940$3c4d149a@rudy> >> Oh, and let's not forget about privacy issues. I don't mean to be a >> stick in the mud, but it's something to think about. Opinions anyone? > > i think we should capture the location from the member pages +1 pulling the data from the member pages is the only sane way to go there's a privacy scheme built in let's assume the map is made available to the public (my opinion is that it would make a great selling tool for new list subscribers when they see where everybody is located) then we would pull lat/long data from all members who have designated their lat/long data public or if we decide the map will be visible to members only, we would pull data only from members who have designated their lat/long data visible to members et cetera definitely it is long overdue for me to pull the description of the PRIV scheme out of thesite archives and write it up as an articlce... rudy From mwarden at mattwarden.com Wed Jul 18 12:22:10 2001 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Wed Jul 18 12:22:10 2001 Subject: [thesite] Print version of evolt.org articles Message-ID: Can we do a CF-equiv of ASP's Server.HTMLEncode() on the contents of PREs? It seems like that would be pretty difficult (because the entire article would have to be parsed for "" and then whatever is between there would have to be HTMLEncodifiededed), but a good number of our articles aren't worth jack in the print version: http://www.evolt.org/article/Writing_Smart_Web_based_Forms/17/10199/index.html?format=print Of course, I'm only worried about this because my article suffers from it. ;-) Just wondrin'. Should this go in a.e.o? For codefest3? rock, -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From jeff at members.evolt.org Wed Jul 18 12:49:01 2001 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff) Date: Wed Jul 18 12:49:01 2001 Subject: [thesite] Print version of evolt.org articles In-Reply-To: Message-ID: matt, :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : From: Warden, Matt : : a good number of our articles aren't worth : jack in the print version: : : : http://evolt.org/article/lazy_author/17/10199/?format=print : : Of course, I'm only worried about this : because my article suffers from. ;-) :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ the only reason your article is wacked is cause you didn't properly escape all the character entities yourself. just cause it'll end up in a textarea doesn't make it ok to be lazy. ;p now be a good toadie and clean up your article and it'll work just fine in print format. thanks, .jeff From djc at starkmedia.com Wed Jul 18 12:49:09 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Wed Jul 18 12:49:09 2001 Subject: [thesite] evolt map References: <3B45B0D9.9030100@vernum.com> <3B4A1229.AD062A7B@msm.cl> <3B4AB31B.90708@vernum.com> <3B4B08C7.4B8F6AD@msm.cl> <3B4DEC67.9070309@vernum.com> <3B4F087B.7CE6DE21@msm.cl> <3B5064D6.2000709@vernum.com> <0e6801c10c7d$d8559fe0$40aefea9@DWARFS> <3B548761.7030400@visualbridge.tv> <3B549C0D.60602@nc.rr.com> <3B54A496.4030605@visualbridge.tv> <3B54AA34.4603AD1A@msm.cl> <3B552BF6.7090905@visualbridge.tv> Message-ID: <3B55CA87.6060803@starkmedia.com> i'll be there, although not for the map :) Bruce Heerssen wrote: > This is a complicated project, but I'm sure it can be done. Anyone for a > #evolt session this weekend? From mwarden at mattwarden.com Wed Jul 18 13:20:39 2001 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Wed Jul 18 13:20:39 2001 Subject: [thesite] Print version of evolt.org articles In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Almost sounds like it should be in the *cough* http://www.evolt.org/guide_code/index.html article. Obviously whoever approved my article wasn't aware of this either... -- mattwarden mattwarden.com On Jul 18, .jeff had something to say about RE: [thesite] Print version of... >the only reason your article is wacked is cause you didn't properly escape >all the character entities yourself. just cause it'll end up in a textarea >doesn't make it ok to be lazy. ;p From jeff at members.evolt.org Wed Jul 18 13:32:32 2001 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff) Date: Wed Jul 18 13:32:32 2001 Subject: [thesite] Print version of evolt.org articles In-Reply-To: Message-ID: matt, :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : From: Warden, Matt : : Almost sounds like it should be in the *cough* : http://www.evolt.org/guide_code/index.html article. :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ +1 :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : Obviously whoever approved my article wasn't aware : of this either... :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ obviously. .jeff http://evolt.org/ jeff at members.evolt.org http://members.evolt.org/jeff/ From michele at wordpro.on.ca Wed Jul 18 19:32:04 2001 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Wed Jul 18 19:32:04 2001 Subject: [thesite] Print version of evolt.org articles References: Message-ID: <019e01c10fea$52a82640$17059ad8@mef> Ouch ... now how many articles with
 in them are incorrectly being
displayed for the print versions??

:(

I was not aware of this.  All those articles we went through and fixed up,
were not checked for this.  What a job that'll be to fix.  Is there anything
you (anyone) can do code-wise to search and replace this?  I really do not
want to go through all the articles again.  Geeze, there are still a couple
small (insignificant) categories that aren't done the first round of
cleaning.

Exactly what characters within 
 need to be escaped?  Are there others
besides the < and > ?

This needs to be highlighted on Admin for ALL article reviewers/approvers to
be made aware of.


Michele



| >the only reason your article is wacked is cause you didn't properly
escape
| >all the character entities yourself.





From michele at wordpro.on.ca  Wed Jul 18 21:05:41 2001
From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster)
Date: Wed Jul 18 21:05:41 2001
Subject: [thesite] [a.e.o.] Job Editing Definitions
Message-ID: <020e01c10ff7$69e5ef60$17059ad8@mef>

Dan,

What do "Open" and "Rollover" mean on the job editing screen?  Are those
"god" only or do all members see them?

Thanks,

Michele





From michele at wordpro.on.ca  Wed Jul 18 21:17:26 2001
From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster)
Date: Wed Jul 18 21:17:26 2001
Subject: [thesite] [a.e.o.] Jobs
Message-ID: <021a01c10ff9$0d4e6780$17059ad8@mef>

Hey Dan,

Couple questions/suggestions for the Jobs ..

(1)  Due dates, can they be assigned per task, or should we just enter a new
"job" for each unique due date?  i.e.  feo design due (random dates here)
July 25, feo production due July 31, feo testing due August 5, etc.

(I'll hold off entering new jobs until we decide which way to go with this.)

(2)  The search screen for jobs, can you sort that by job number?  It would
be a lot easier to scan jobs when they are lumped together.

(3)  Why do we have a couple of jobs with "-a" assigned to the end of the
number?  In the case of 13, the 13-a job doesn't even relate.

(4)  What category should I put database guru under?  (Programming,
Consulting)  And, testing/debugging put that under Production?   (going for
consistency here)


btw, I deleted a few of the test/garbage jobs I had in there, in case you
are wondering where the id's went.


Michele





From roselli at earthlink.net  Wed Jul 18 23:49:52 2001
From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark)
Date: Wed Jul 18 23:49:52 2001
Subject: [thesite] Print version of evolt.org articles
In-Reply-To: <019e01c10fea$52a82640$17059ad8@mef>
Message-ID: <3B562E69.20345.19F200E2@localhost>

> From: "Michele Foster" 
> 
> Ouch ... now how many articles with 
 in them are incorrectly
> being displayed for the print versions??

none of mine?

seriously, if you entered content that had tags as example code, 
you kinda *had* to escape them to get them to show up in the 
preview, right?

or am i missing something?




From mwarden at mattwarden.com  Wed Jul 18 23:52:23 2001
From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt)
Date: Wed Jul 18 23:52:23 2001
Subject: [thesite] Print version of evolt.org articles
In-Reply-To: <3B562E69.20345.19F200E2@localhost>
Message-ID: 

On Jul 19, aardvark had something to say about Re: [thesite] Print version...

>seriously, if you entered content that had tags as example code, 
>you kinda *had* to escape them to get them to show up in the 
>preview, right?
>
>or am i missing something?

Yeah...

this is only a problem when the article is viewed in print
mode. otherwise, the code is in a textarea and it don't matta, jack.



--
mattwarden
mattwarden.com




From roselli at earthlink.net  Thu Jul 19 00:19:11 2001
From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark)
Date: Thu Jul 19 00:19:11 2001
Subject: [thesite] Print version of evolt.org articles
In-Reply-To: 
References: <3B562E69.20345.19F200E2@localhost>
Message-ID: <3B563533.31057.1A0C891E@localhost>

> From: "Warden, Matt" 
[...]
> this is only a problem when the article is viewed in print
> mode. otherwise, the code is in a textarea and it don't matta, jack.

ahhh... ok...

see, i just assumed that, as web developers, people submitting 
would realize that posting a *tag* would result in it being rendered, 
whereas posting some entities that describe a tag wouldn't...

so, yes, it's good i added that to the style guide, although i really 
felt like i was insulting someone's intelligence...




From mwarden at mattwarden.com  Thu Jul 19 00:38:11 2001
From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt)
Date: Thu Jul 19 00:38:11 2001
Subject: [thesite] Print version of evolt.org articles
In-Reply-To: <3B563533.31057.1A0C891E@localhost>
Message-ID: 

On Jul 19, aardvark had something to say about Re: [thesite] Print version...

>see, i just assumed that, as web developers, people submitting 
>would realize that posting a *tag* would result in it being rendered, 
>whereas posting some entities that describe a tag wouldn't...

Yeah...

except for the fact that when you *do* post a tag and it renders correctly
in the textarea, one is inclined to make the assumption that the entity
stuff (which is quite a pain in the arse) isn't absolutely
needed. Personally, if A seems to get the same results as B, but A is 10
times easier, I'm gonna do A. I'm not sure that's laziness. I write
articles because I want to write, not because I like manually searching my
code and text deciding which <'s and >'s should be converted to their
respective entities and which should not (especially when this *could* be
done automagically for me upon submission (well, the stuff in 
s
anyway)). I don't think it's unreasonable to think that this could be a
feature in place. I mean, evolt.org is a pretty advanced site with a lot
of voodoo goin' on (404s anyone?). In that context, a feature like this
involving some parsing and replacing don't seem too damn out of the
question, eh? So, that's why we needed that clarified in the writers
guidelines... even if we were insulting peoples' intelligences.


--
mattwarden
mattwarden.com




From roselli at earthlink.net  Thu Jul 19 00:48:05 2001
From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark)
Date: Thu Jul 19 00:48:05 2001
Subject: [thesite] Print version of evolt.org articles
In-Reply-To: 
References: <3B563533.31057.1A0C891E@localhost>
Message-ID: <3B563C0A.24607.1A273F4F@localhost>

> From:  "Warden, Matt" 
[...]
> (especially when this *could* be done automagically for me upon
> submission (well, the stuff in 
s anyway)). I don't think it's
[...]

i'm under the impression that .jeff had some technical restrictions 
that made if muy difficult...

dunno, though...




From dsmah at home.com  Thu Jul 19 09:51:00 2001
From: dsmah at home.com (Dean Mah)
Date: Thu Jul 19 09:51:00 2001
Subject: [thesite] Print version of evolt.org articles
In-Reply-To: <019e01c10fea$52a82640$17059ad8@mef> from "Michele Foster" at Jul 18, 2001 08:32:40 PM
Message-ID: <200107191452.IAA01141@alice.monkeyland.ca>

Send me a list of things that need to be done to the articles and I'll
try to write something to fix them up.

Dean


Michele Foster writes:

> Ouch ... now how many articles with 
 in them are incorrectly being
> displayed for the print versions??
> 
> :(
> 
> I was not aware of this.  All those articles we went through and fixed up,
> were not checked for this.  What a job that'll be to fix.  Is there anything
> you (anyone) can do code-wise to search and replace this?  I really do not
> want to go through all the articles again.  Geeze, there are still a couple
> small (insignificant) categories that aren't done the first round of
> cleaning.
> 
> Exactly what characters within 
 need to be escaped?  Are there others
> besides the < and > ?
> 
> This needs to be highlighted on Admin for ALL article reviewers/approvers to
> be made aware of.



From djc at starkmedia.com  Thu Jul 19 10:25:38 2001
From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody)
Date: Thu Jul 19 10:25:38 2001
Subject: [thesite] [a.e.o.] Job Editing Definitions
References: <020e01c10ff7$69e5ef60$17059ad8@mef>
Message-ID: <3B56FA5B.7020004@starkmedia.com>

ya i think only god people see them.. open is to open a job that has 
been 'closed'(its open by default), closed is what a project manager 
does when the job is 100% complete.. and rollover is there to assign a 
new number to a job thats been stagnent.. kinda like breathing new life 
into it

lemme know if you have otherquestions :)

.djc.

Michele Foster wrote:

> Dan,
> 
> What do "Open" and "Rollover" mean on the job editing screen?  Are those
> "god" only or do all members see them?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Michele
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> For unsubscribe, archive, and options, go to:
> http://lists.evolt.org/mailman/listinfo/thesite
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From djc at starkmedia.com  Thu Jul 19 10:29:16 2001
From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody)
Date: Thu Jul 19 10:29:16 2001
Subject: [thesite] [a.e.o.] Jobs
References: <021a01c10ff9$0d4e6780$17059ad8@mef>
Message-ID: <3B56FB35.8060008@starkmedia.com>


Michele Foster wrote:


> (1)  Due dates, can they be assigned per task, or should we just enter a new
> "job" for each unique due date?  i.e.  feo design due (random dates here)
> July 25, feo production due July 31, feo testing due August 5, etc.


due dates are on a per job basis, so ya, enter a new job if you want 
differentpeople to have different dates.. or just set the date out far 
enough for both people to finish up.. the other way to do it is put 
'notes' in each persons task with a reminder of a due date or something..


> (2)  The search screen for jobs, can you sort that by job number?  It would
> be a lot easier to scan jobs when they are lumped together.


i'll make a note of that :)


> (3)  Why do we have a couple of jobs with "-a" assigned to the end of the
> number?  In the case of 13, the 13-a job doesn't even relate.


yaaaa.. putting a letter on something is like a tangent for a job. it 
still 'somewhat' relates to the original job, but its just another 
identifier/delimiter


> (4)  What category should I put database guru under?  (Programming,
> Consulting)  And, testing/debugging put that under Production?   (going for
> consistency here)


ahh, do you just want a new category?


> btw, I deleted a few of the test/garbage jobs I had in there, in case you
> are wondering where the id's went.


OK :)






From mwarden at mattwarden.com  Thu Jul 19 10:56:41 2001
From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt)
Date: Thu Jul 19 10:56:41 2001
Subject: [thesite] Print version of evolt.org articles
In-Reply-To: <200107191452.IAA01141@alice.monkeyland.ca>
Message-ID: 

Hey dean,

Michele and I (and a few others, I think) went through most of our
articles doing various things. One thing we didn't do is look for
unexcaped <'s and >'s in 
s.

However, considering our previous design, I don't think many articles will
prove to suffer from this. If anything (like if you're really aching to do
some boring work), run though the print versions of the latest articles
(since the evolt.org v2 release) and make sure everything is kosher.

Everything else has been done, but Michele mentioned that we may have
neglected to go through a few sections of the articles (though I was
thinking for some reason that we had run through them all).


--
mattwarden
mattwarden.com

On Jul 19, Dean Mah had something to say about Re: [thesite] Print version...

>Send me a list of things that need to be done to the articles and I'll
>try to write something to fix them up.
>
>Dean




From seth at sethbienek.com  Thu Jul 19 11:15:28 2001
From: seth at sethbienek.com (Seth Bienek)
Date: Thu Jul 19 11:15:28 2001
Subject: [thesite] Print version of evolt.org articles
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <001201c1106d$b70bd450$2f01010a@dti2>

There's a great CF Custom Tag that uses regular expressions to color-code and escape code examples (similar to HomeSite's color coding)...  Don't know if it's an option, but it certainly is cool..  The tag is called cf_ColoredCode.. It would be easy enough to change the name to code.cfm and call it as  and  around code examples..

There's a copy of it at leo/mporter/ColoredCode.cfm

Just thought I'd mention it...

Seth

"Each of us has a spark of life inside us, and our highest endeavor ought to be to set off that spark in one another."  -Kenny Ausubel

-----------------------------------
Seth Bienek
Digitaris Technologies, Inc.
tel (972) 690-4131, ext. 103
fax (972) 690-0617
icq 7673959
----------------------------------- 





From jeff at members.evolt.org  Thu Jul 19 11:42:59 2001
From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff)
Date: Thu Jul 19 11:42:59 2001
Subject: [thesite] Print version of evolt.org articles
In-Reply-To: <001201c1106d$b70bd450$2f01010a@dti2>
Message-ID: 

seth,

:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: From: Seth Bienek
:
: There's a great CF Custom Tag that uses regular
: expressions to color-code and escape code examples
: (similar to HomeSite's color coding)...  Don't know
: if it's an option, but it certainly is cool..  The
: tag is called cf_ColoredCode.. It would be easy
: enough to change the name to code.cfm and call it
: as  and  around code examples..
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

and how would you suppose i wrap just the code examples with that when the
entire article is stored as a single piece of data in the database?
furthermore, how is that going to work with our textarea?

i agree that it's quite a cool tag, but i just don't see how it could be
implemented or what benefit it would have.

thanks,

.jeff

http://evolt.org/
jeff at members.evolt.org
http://members.evolt.org/jeff/





From dsmah at home.com  Thu Jul 19 12:19:52 2001
From: dsmah at home.com (Dean Mah)
Date: Thu Jul 19 12:19:52 2001
Subject: [thesite] Print version of evolt.org articles
In-Reply-To:  from "Warden, Matt" at Jul 19, 2001 11:56:47 AM
Message-ID: <200107191721.LAA01502@alice.monkeyland.ca>

I found three articles that used unescaped <'s and >'s:

   Top Ten SQL
   Multidimensional Arrays In Perl and JavaScript
   javascript powered galleries

The first two look okay when viewing the printable version.  I can't
locate the last article.

Dean


Warden, Matt writes:

> Michele and I (and a few others, I think) went through most of our
> articles doing various things. One thing we didn't do is look for
> unexcaped <'s and >'s in 
s.



From dsmah at home.com  Thu Jul 19 13:08:21 2001
From: dsmah at home.com (Dean Mah)
Date: Thu Jul 19 13:08:21 2001
Subject: [thesite] Print version of evolt.org articles
In-Reply-To: <200107191721.LAA01502@alice.monkeyland.ca> from "Dean Mah" at Jul 19, 2001 11:21:07 AM
Message-ID: <200107191809.MAA01662@alice.monkeyland.ca>

Actually, I wrote too soon.  Brain-damaged regexp resulted in those
three only.  The complete list of articles is below.

ID: 128, Name: Top Ten SQL
ID: 143, Name: Defeating the Third Voice Plug-in
ID: 163, Name: Detecting FLASH4 compatibility
ID: 174, Name: Introduction to Java Servlets.
ID: 226, Name: A Cheesy .htaccess Tutorial
ID: 253, Name: Give the User Control Over Your Fonts.
ID: 314, Name: Multidimensional Arrays In Perl and JavaScript
ID: 343, Name: All-In-One Simple Rollover JavaScript
ID: 416, Name: Let the User Skip the Splash Page
ID: 426, Name: Python, your journey starts here
ID: 427, Name: test python revision, approve nothing
ID: 447, Name: JavaScript Naming No-No
ID: 501, Name: Oracle iDevelop '99
ID: 559, Name: Searching with Sherlock Part2: Producing a Plugin
ID: 567, Name: A Javascript image viewer
ID: 578, Name: NT Alerts Delivered to Your Mailbox
ID: 590, Name: Easy Perl Persistence Faker
ID: 617, Name: Perl Shell Program for whois
ID: 639, Name: javascript powered galleries
ID: 653, Name: Dirty Shell Scripts Part 1: Virtual Hosting
ID: 669, Name: Dirty Shell Scripts Part 2: DNS Updates
ID: 702, Name: What comes Round goes Round
ID: 704, Name: Code Encapsulation - Your Stress-Free Future
ID: 734, Name: Write Once ! (almost) : with PHP
ID: 758, Name: Quick and Dirty Record Sorting in Perl
ID: 786, Name: Write Once - class layout, the HTML heresy
ID: 1324, Name: Creating Dynamic Select Boxes
ID: 3644, Name: Unlocking MS Access MDB Files
ID: 4047, Name: Four ways to work with hierarchical data
ID: 4438, Name: Breadcrumbs for Those Using ASP
ID: 4455, Name: Breadcrumbs for PHP Lovers
ID: 5535, Name: Headlines in RSS and Perl
ID: 5768, Name: Tracking user choices with JavaScript
ID: 5776, Name: Third Column Slickness - Screen Size Customization
ID: 9155, Name: Integrating Flash & ColdFusion
ID: 9279, Name: A Simple Bulk Mailer with Cold Fusion
ID: 10199, Name: Writing Smart Web-based Forms
ID: 13138, Name: Enabling Virtual Hosts on MacOS X
ID: 13892, Name: Accessing and changing the filter object


Dean



Dean Mah writes:

> I found three articles that used unescaped <'s and >'s:
> 
>    Top Ten SQL
>    Multidimensional Arrays In Perl and JavaScript
>    javascript powered galleries
> 
> The first two look okay when viewing the printable version.  I can't
> locate the last article.
> 
> Dean
> 
> 
> Warden, Matt writes:
> 
> > Michele and I (and a few others, I think) went through most of our
> > articles doing various things. One thing we didn't do is look for
> > unexcaped <'s and >'s in 
s.



From seth at sethbienek.com  Thu Jul 19 13:57:06 2001
From: seth at sethbienek.com (Seth Bienek)
Date: Thu Jul 19 13:57:06 2001
Subject: [thesite] Print version of evolt.org articles
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <001301c11084$67747f20$2f01010a@dti2>

> -----Original Message-----
> and how would you suppose i wrap just the code examples with that when the
> entire article is stored as a single piece of data in the database?
> furthermore, how is that going to work with our textarea?
> 
> i agree that it's quite a cool tag, but i just don't see how it could be
> implemented or what benefit it would have.

Aren't the code examples in 
 tags now?

I guess the textareas are to help facilitate copying code to the clipboard; I can appreciate that.  I'm thinking the custom tag could be modified to exclude data within 
 tags, and the rest of the article shouldn't be altered unless it has html code, in which case that would get color-coded.  Which causes a problem with embedded links, etc. in the articles.

Ok, the only actual use for the custom tag would be for coloring code examples NOT within 
 tags, in which case someone would have to go through the articles and make those changes.  But it would be cool.  It would also be good to have available for new articles.  I think it would make code within articles much more readable. And stuff. 

Forgive me for thinking out loud. 

Implementing it would be easy.  You put in the style guide "encapsulate code examples in  tags."

Anyways...  I'm just a backend guy... 

Seth





From roselli at earthlink.net  Thu Jul 19 15:01:30 2001
From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark)
Date: Thu Jul 19 15:01:30 2001
Subject: [thesite] Print version of evolt.org articles
In-Reply-To: <200107191809.MAA01662@alice.monkeyland.ca>
References: <200107191721.LAA01502@alice.monkeyland.ca> from "Dean Mah" at Jul 19, 2001 11:21:07 AM
Message-ID: <200107192001.f6JK1Tx29638@localhost.localdomain>

> From: Dean Mah 
[...]
> ID: 253, Name: Give the User Control Over Your Fonts.
> ID: 416, Name: Let the User Skip the Splash Page
> ID: 4438, Name: Breadcrumbs for Those Using ASP
[...]

ok, this kinda makes me wonder if all this goes *way* back to 
when there was a period of time when submitting, editing, and re-
submitting resulted in your escaped characters getting converted to 
the real character....

cuz i *know* i escaped those little fuckers...

in fact, here's some source from Breadcrumbs in ASP:



unless someone fixed it... and the other two...

didja?




From jeff at members.evolt.org  Thu Jul 19 15:51:08 2001
From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff)
Date: Thu Jul 19 15:51:08 2001
Subject: [thesite] Print version of evolt.org articles
In-Reply-To: <001301c11084$67747f20$2f01010a@dti2>
Message-ID: 

seth,

:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: From: Seth Bienek
:
: > i agree that it's quite a cool tag, but i
: > just don't see how it could be implemented
: > or what benefit it would have.
:
: Aren't the code examples in 
 tags now?
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

yes, within a much larger string of data in the database.

:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: I guess the textareas are to help facilitate
: copying code to the clipboard; I can appreciate
: that.
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

that's part of it.  the other part is to keep long lines in a 
 block
from pushing out the content area.

:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: I'm thinking the custom tag could be modified to
: exclude data within 
 tags, and the rest of
: the article shouldn't be altered unless it has
: html code, in which case that would get color-coded.
:  Which causes a problem with embedded links, etc. in
: the articles.
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

and a number of other things as well.  articles generally contain tags like

, , , , , , , , etc. we want to the browser to execute those tags, not render them. :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : Ok, the only actual use for the custom tag would : be for coloring code examples NOT within

: tags, in which case someone would have to go through
: the articles and make those changes.  But it
: would be cool.
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

and those code blocks that aren't within 
 tags are within  tags
and generally very short.  as they're being styled already, i fail to see
the benefit of color coding them as well.

:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: It would also be good to have available for new
: articles.
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

if we're displaying new articles in the same way as existing articles, how
will it help to make it available for new articles?

:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: I think it would make code within articles
: much more readable. And stuff.
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

yes, quite possibly.  however, what would you do to address long lines that
break the design?

maybe a use of it would be to allow the user to view the contents of a
textarea in a popup window with color coding.  that would certainly be a
good use of this tag.

:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: Forgive me for thinking out loud.
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

thinking out loud isn't a problem.  it's good to discuss ideas, the impact
they'll have on the current system, and how they'll help us achieve our
goals.

:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: Implementing it would be easy.  You put in the
: style guide "encapsulate code examples in
:  tags."
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

how is that going to work if the data is stored in the database?  you can't
execute coldfusion tags from database data.

:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: Anyways...  I'm just a backend guy...
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

me too.

.jeff

http://evolt.org/
jeff at members.evolt.org
http://members.evolt.org/jeff/





From seth at sethbienek.com  Thu Jul 19 16:20:25 2001
From: seth at sethbienek.com (Seth Bienek)
Date: Thu Jul 19 16:20:25 2001
Subject: [thesite] Print version of evolt.org articles
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <001501c11098$5fd013b0$2f01010a@dti2>

> :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> : Implementing it would be easy.  You put in the
> : style guide "encapsulate code examples in
> :  tags."
> :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> 
> how is that going to work if the data is stored in the database?  you can't
> execute coldfusion tags from database data.
> 

This exchange sums up my day.  I'm going home.

I'll re-read this entire thread tomorrow morning and see if I can find something more useful and perhaps witty to add.

Seth

-----------------------------------
Seth Bienek
Digitaris Technologies, Inc.
tel (972) 690-4131, ext. 103
fax (972) 690-0617
icq 7673959
-----------------------------------  





From jeff at members.evolt.org  Thu Jul 19 16:23:06 2001
From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff)
Date: Thu Jul 19 16:23:06 2001
Subject: [thesite] Print version of evolt.org articles
In-Reply-To: <001501c11098$5fd013b0$2f01010a@dti2>
Message-ID: 

seth,

:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: From: Seth Bienek
:
: > how is that going to work if the data
: > is stored in the database?  you can't
: > execute coldfusion tags from database
: > data.
:
: This exchange sums up my day.  I'm going home.
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

enjoy a cold one -- sounds like you need it.  *grin*

:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: I'll re-read this entire thread tomorrow
: morning and see if I can find something
: more useful and perhaps witty to add.
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

just make sure you've had your coffee first (especially if you have more
than a couple cold ones tonight).

.jeff

http://evolt.org/
jeff at members.evolt.org
http://members.evolt.org/jeff/





From dsmah at home.com  Thu Jul 19 16:25:02 2001
From: dsmah at home.com (Dean Mah)
Date: Thu Jul 19 16:25:02 2001
Subject: [thesite] Print version of evolt.org articles
In-Reply-To: <200107192001.f6JK1Tx29638@localhost.localdomain> from "aardvark" at Jul 19, 2001 04:01:36 PM
Message-ID: <200107192125.PAA02133@alice.monkeyland.ca>

You missed one (the parser is unforgiving).  From a view source:


'## separate them with >> symbols
        IF strTmpPath = "" THEN
                response.write "<a href=""/"" style=""text-decoration:none"">Home Page</a>"


I only check for the existence of an unescaped > or <.  I don't check
to see if it looks like a tag which is what seems to mess up the
printable version.

Dean



aardvark writes:

> ok, this kinda makes me wonder if all this goes *way* back to 
> when there was a period of time when submitting, editing, and re-
> submitting resulted in your escaped characters getting converted to 
> the real character....
> 
> cuz i *know* i escaped those little fuckers...



From dsmah at home.com  Thu Jul 19 16:27:00 2001
From: dsmah at home.com (Dean Mah)
Date: Thu Jul 19 16:27:00 2001
Subject: [thesite] Print version of evolt.org articles
In-Reply-To: <200107192001.f6JK1Tx29638@localhost.localdomain> from "aardvark" at Jul 19, 2001 04:01:36 PM
Message-ID: <200107192128.PAA02156@alice.monkeyland.ca>

Unless anyone has objections, I will run a Perl script that changes
the articles directly in the database.  There are some articles that
need *a lot* of work so I don't want to do it manually.  Of course, if
someone wants to volunteer so that there will be a log of changes,
please let me know.

Dean



From djc at starkmedia.com  Thu Jul 19 16:30:27 2001
From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody)
Date: Thu Jul 19 16:30:27 2001
Subject: [thesite] Print version of evolt.org articles
References: 
Message-ID: <3B574FD8.3070905@starkmedia.com>

jeff is this similar to the thing you did with anchors? you wrapped the 
anchor link in something and it got processed out of the DB right?


isnt it close to the same thing?

.jeff wrote:


> :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> : Implementing it would be easy.  You put in the
> : style guide "encapsulate code examples in
> :  tags."
> :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> 
> how is that going to work if the data is stored in the database?  you can't
> execute coldfusion tags from database data.





From djc at starkmedia.com  Thu Jul 19 16:32:57 2001
From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody)
Date: Thu Jul 19 16:32:57 2001
Subject: [thesite] Print version of evolt.org articles
References: <200107192128.PAA02156@alice.monkeyland.ca>
Message-ID: <3B57506E.9070401@starkmedia.com>

you gonna be able to rollback just in case right?? is there a chance of 
shit going wrong or should i make more immediate backup?

not that i dont trust you or anything, just wondering :)

Dean Mah wrote:

> Unless anyone has objections, I will run a Perl script that changes
> the articles directly in the database.  There are some articles that
> need *a lot* of work so I don't want to do it manually.  Of course, if
> someone wants to volunteer so that there will be a log of changes,
> please let me know.
> 
> Dean
> 
> _______________________________________________
> For unsubscribe, archive, and options, go to:
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From jeff at members.evolt.org  Thu Jul 19 16:33:45 2001
From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff)
Date: Thu Jul 19 16:33:45 2001
Subject: [thesite] Print version of evolt.org articles
In-Reply-To: <200107192128.PAA02156@alice.monkeyland.ca>
Message-ID: 

dean,

:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: From: Dean Mah
:
: Unless anyone has objections, I will run
: a Perl script that changes the articles
: directly in the database.
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

i'm fine with that so long as the script *only* changes entities within
 blocks.  also, it should probably only replace <, >, and " with
the proper entities and leave all other entities alone (for now).

what exactly did you have in mind?

thanks,

.jeff

http://evolt.org/
jeff at members.evolt.org
http://members.evolt.org/jeff/





From dsmah at home.com  Thu Jul 19 16:40:53 2001
From: dsmah at home.com (Dean Mah)
Date: Thu Jul 19 16:40:53 2001
Subject: [thesite] Print version of evolt.org articles
In-Reply-To:  from ".jeff" at Jul 19, 2001 02:33:29 PM
Message-ID: <200107192142.PAA02228@alice.monkeyland.ca>

.jeff writes:

> :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> : From: Dean Mah
> :
> : Unless anyone has objections, I will run
> : a Perl script that changes the articles
> : directly in the database.
> :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> 
> i'm fine with that so long as the script *only* changes entities
> within 
 blocks.


Yes.


> also, it should probably only replace <, >, and " with the proper
> entities and leave all other entities alone (for now).


I was only going to replace < and > but I can do " as well.


> what exactly did you have in mind?


Running a Perl script that would go through the stuff between 
and 
and escaping < and > to < and >. Dean From jeff at members.evolt.org Thu Jul 19 16:43:28 2001 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff) Date: Thu Jul 19 16:43:28 2001 Subject: [thesite] Print version of evolt.org articles In-Reply-To: <3B574FD8.3070905@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: djc, :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : From: Daniel J. Cody : : jeff is this similar to the thing you did : with anchors? :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ no, unfortunately it's fundamentally different. :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : you wrapped the anchor link in something and : it got processed out of the DB right? :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ in that instance i'm doing a replace() of a particular string in the article data itself. what seth is suggesting is including coldfusion tags (not variables like i did) within the data itself. the only way to get that to execute is to read from the database, write to a temporary file, and then cfinclude that file causing any coldfusion tags in it to be parsed. obviously that's not how our system works at this time. v3 of thesite will take this into account though and we should be able to greatly reduce the hits to the database for viewing articles. in most cases articles will be read from static files in the filesystem which is way faster. thanks, .jeff http://evolt.org/ jeff at members.evolt.org http://members.evolt.org/jeff/ From dsmah at home.com Thu Jul 19 16:44:39 2001 From: dsmah at home.com (Dean Mah) Date: Thu Jul 19 16:44:39 2001 Subject: [thesite] Print version of evolt.org articles In-Reply-To: <3B57506E.9070401@starkmedia.com> from "Daniel J. Cody" at Jul 19, 2001 04:26:06 PM Message-ID: <200107192145.PAA02236@alice.monkeyland.ca> All I was gonna do is save the original article body to a flat file. Recovery would have to be done from the file. I, or you, can do a table export if you really want. You can do a code review if you like. I don't have a problem with that. I tested it on my iDevelop article and it seems to have worked. Dean Daniel J. Cody writes: > you gonna be able to rollback just in case right?? is there a chance of > shit going wrong or should i make more immediate backup? > > not that i dont trust you or anything, just wondering :) > > Dean Mah wrote: > > > Unless anyone has objections, I will run a Perl script that changes > > the articles directly in the database. There are some articles that > > need *a lot* of work so I don't want to do it manually. Of course, if > > someone wants to volunteer so that there will be a log of changes, > > please let me know. From jeff at members.evolt.org Thu Jul 19 16:46:57 2001 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff) Date: Thu Jul 19 16:46:57 2001 Subject: [thesite] Print version of evolt.org articles In-Reply-To: <200107192142.PAA02228@alice.monkeyland.ca> Message-ID: dean, :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : From: Dean Mah : : I was only going to replace < and > but : I can do " as well. :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ might as well since they should be escaped anyway. :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : Running a Perl script that would go through : the stuff between
 and 
and : escaping < and > to < and >. :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ mind sharing the regex/query you had in mind? just for curiosity sake. thanks, .jeff http://evolt.org/ jeff at members.evolt.org http://members.evolt.org/jeff/ From dsmah at home.com Thu Jul 19 17:03:03 2001 From: dsmah at home.com (Dean Mah) Date: Thu Jul 19 17:03:03 2001 Subject: [thesite] Print version of evolt.org articles In-Reply-To: from ".jeff" at Jul 19, 2001 02:46:42 PM Message-ID: <200107192204.QAA02336@alice.monkeyland.ca> .jeff writes: > mind sharing the regex/query you had in mind? just for curiosity > sake. I'm using: m|
(.+?)
|gisc to find text within pre tags. Then doing: $new_pre_body =~ s//>/g; $new_pre_body =~ s/\"/"/g; to escape <, >, and ". Then doing: $new_body =~ s/\Q$pre_body\E/$new_pre_body/; to replace the old text within the pre tags with the new one. Does that look right? Dean From dsmah at home.com Thu Jul 19 17:33:26 2001 From: dsmah at home.com (Dean Mah) Date: Thu Jul 19 17:33:26 2001 Subject: [thesite] Unescaped Characters in
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Message-ID: <200107192234.QAA02417@alice.monkeyland.ca> Just finished running the script. It has converted <, >, and " characters to <, >, and ". I've looked over a couple articles and everything seems okay. Let me know if you find anything different. Dean From michele at wordpro.on.ca Thu Jul 19 18:30:59 2001 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Thu Jul 19 18:30:59 2001 Subject: [thesite] Unescaped Characters in
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References: <200107192234.QAA02417@alice.monkeyland.ca> Message-ID: <02df01c110ab$000ba620$17059ad8@mef> Dean, You're a superstar!!! Thanks a million for doing this .. I owe ya one big time. Michele ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dean Mah" | Just finished running the script. It has converted <, >, and " | characters to <, >, and ". I've looked over a couple | articles and everything seems okay. Let me know if you find anything | different. From michele at wordpro.on.ca Thu Jul 19 18:48:42 2001 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Thu Jul 19 18:48:42 2001 Subject: [thesite] Print version of evolt.org articles References: Message-ID: <02f201c110ad$7aa4eca0$17059ad8@mef> Matt, According to the list I have, these sections we didn't do. | Commentary & Society | News | Site Development (1/2 done) | Suggestions The main thing is the missing

-- mattwarden mattwarden.com From roselli at earthlink.net Wed Jul 25 08:57:26 2001 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Wed Jul 25 08:57:26 2001 Subject: WAIT! Re: [thesite] feo update In-Reply-To: References: <9722d696b033.96b0339722d6@augustine.gci.net> Message-ID: <200107251357.f6PDvPx00591@localhost.localdomain> > From: "isaac" > > what happened to the dividing lines? that made the blue and orange > split more obvious. they're there... > of the two, this is better: > > http://members.evolt.org/garrett/feo2.html > > but it REALLY needs the dividing lines. > > (see the dividing lines here: > http://www.triplezero.com.au/isaac/evolt/food/food3.jpg) +1, as darker lines... > i would prefer that FEO not be styled by users. that would mean having > to provide versions of images aliased against differently coloured > backgrounds. bleargh. FEO is *meant* to look different. keep the black > tab, but under that, you can style away (we're aiming for valid code > obviously). any complaints with that from anyone? nope. i'm starting to get sick of users anyway. > also, i want the "food for hungry minds" to look perfect, so make that > a GIF (spacing is critical). it'll be big enough for ALT text to show > nicely anyway. ditto with RECIPES and CHEFS if possible. my PSD also uhhh... you want .gif text... he heh... > should've had 2-3 thingies to sit at the top of the sidebar - knife, > fork, and whatever the other thing was. chopsticks would be cool. don't forget that trying to get those images to span certain elements will be bitch -- like straddling the joints between the blacktabnavbarthingie and the sidebar and the content area... you'll either have to slice 'em and re-code all those sections a bit, or figure something else out... > sidebar styling also needs to be modified colour-wise (black titles) > specifically. i would also prefer no bullet points for the links below > each title. why not? or am i looking in the wrong place? From djc at starkmedia.com Wed Jul 25 10:07:34 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Wed Jul 25 10:07:34 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tips Database References: <000101c114a2$6e776360$2f01010a@dti2> Message-ID: <3B5EDF12.2010909@starkmedia.com> doh.. give it a whirl now seth :) .djc. Seth Bienek wrote: >>all the posts are in thelist table like dean desc'd, use the 'evolttest' >>datasource >> > > I get the following error when I try to access the table: > > "ORA-00942: table or view does not exist" > > Is it possible that the tabloe isn't there or that the DSN is set up incorrectly? > > Seth From seth at sethbienek.com Wed Jul 25 12:42:06 2001 From: seth at sethbienek.com (Seth Bienek) Date: Wed Jul 25 12:42:06 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tips Database In-Reply-To: <3B5EDF12.2010909@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <000801c11531$0224ee00$2f01010a@dti2> Good, good, good.. Couple things.. Most of the email addresses (thelist.hdr_fromemail) have the brackets in them still.. Can we strip those in the parsing routine? Also, some of the names (thelist.hdr_fromname) have quotes. Also, starting with message number 11480 there is a shift in the way the date header is formatted. I guess the difference is between the old .mbox file and the new? Is it safe to assume that the current date format of the .mbox mail header will stay the same hereafter? I would like it if the 'hdr_date' field were a date-time field - it would make it much easier to display and query the date of the messages. And this may be asking too much -- the message headers have the date & time followed by the GMT offset - would it be possible to change the time on the emails to GMT time? This would allow us to display the time in relation to the user's time zone (if available), or in relation to Evolt's time zone otherwise. I can run a database process to fix all this stuff; could we make the changes to the perl script and DB for future imports? One last thing (for rudy/dan/whoever) - now that the big big batch is done, we need some indexes on the table. messageid (unique PK), header_messageid (not unique, null for older messages), hdr_inreplyto (not unique, null for original posts older messages), and hdr_fromemail (not unique, possible fk for members table?) Thanks for putting up with all the pickiness Dean.. It's coming together nicely! Seth "If you're ever in an elite paratrooper group, on a secret mission, and your parachute doesn't open, I don't think anyone would blame you if you scream." -Keith Sanvidge ----------------------------------- Seth Bienek Digitaris Technologies, Inc. tel (972) 690-4131, ext. 103 fax (972) 690-0617 icq 7673959 ----------------------------------- > -----Original Message----- > From: thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org > [mailto:thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Daniel J. Cody > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 10:01 AM > To: thesite at lists.evolt.org > Subject: Re: [thesite] Tips Database > > > doh.. give it a whirl now seth :) > > .djc. > > Seth Bienek wrote: > > >>all the posts are in thelist table like dean desc'd, use the > 'evolttest' > >>datasource > >> > > > > I get the following error when I try to access the table: > > > > "ORA-00942: table or view does not exist" > > > > Is it possible that the tabloe isn't there or that the DSN is > set up incorrectly? > > > > Seth > > > > _______________________________________________ > For unsubscribe, archive, and options, go to: > http://lists.evolt.org/mailman/listinfo/thesite > From bheerssen at visualbridge.tv Wed Jul 25 13:21:02 2001 From: bheerssen at visualbridge.tv (Bruce Heerssen) Date: Wed Jul 25 13:21:02 2001 Subject: [thesite] map - the FSFE way References: <200107242209.QAA02382@alice.monkeyland.ca> <3B5DF580.5F09F32C@msm.cl> Message-ID: <3B5F0EA0.7070008@visualbridge.tv> mantruc wrote: > >Dean Mah wrote: > >>This is just a side project for me. I don't want it to take away from >>the Flash version. My version doesn't scale very well. The maps that >>it generates are pretty big (500K) depending on the output size. It >>looks a lot better as a background on my desktop. It's kind of >>interesting to watch day break and night fall on evolters. Might >>throw in the option to grab the cloud image overlays that are >>generated evry 6 hours. >> > >ok, i thought it was cool, but we still need something more apropriate >(sp?) > +1 It's *damn* cool. But what is it makes that one inappropriate? > >Joxn, Bruce, where are we, was the map i sent ok >is it usefull if i sent the maps source for the one i have >on members.evolt.org/mantruc/map/map2.html >anthough it doesn't mark the guides? > Sorry, I've been busy for a while and haven't had much time for this. I'll just have to take baby steps with this one as I have other more important projects - like the ones that pay my bills ;) I found some really nice maps that could be used and I downloaded a list of lats & lons for many US cities. I have a script ready to put that into a database, or I could have it as a text file. So that's got the basis for a start - I think I'll be able to find more time for this either tonight or this weekend (full schedule for me this week). The idea for the project is to have the flash file query a coldfusion page for lats & lons of evolt members. I'm not sure how long of a response string flash will accept, so some sort of shorthand should be used. Something like: m1=38.25n,38.04e&m2=45.56n,25.14w I'll flesh that out later, but tips would be welcome if anyone has ideas. Anyone figure out a way to find lats and lons for other countries based upon postal address (or code)? Looks like we are particularly interested in Chile, Brittain, Western Europe, and Australia. That should cover most folks on the list - let me know if there's more.. -Bruce From mwarden at mattwarden.com Wed Jul 25 13:31:38 2001 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Wed Jul 25 13:31:38 2001 Subject: [thesite] map - the FSFE way In-Reply-To: <3B5F0EA0.7070008@visualbridge.tv> Message-ID: >m1=38.25n,38.04e&m2=45.56n,25.14w Member id for zoom? If we're not doing that now, would be good Also, if their in decimal, you won't need the w,n,s,e hemisphere ids. It's positive and negative instead. >I'll flesh that out later, but tips would be welcome if anyone has ideas. > >Anyone figure out a way to find lats and lons for other countries based >upon postal address (or code)? Looks like we are particularly interested >in Chile, Brittain, Western Europe, and Australia. That should cover >most folks on the list - let me know if there's more.. No need. Just require users to supply their lat/long coords. Supply them with the links to figure this out. -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From djc at starkmedia.com Wed Jul 25 14:10:23 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Wed Jul 25 14:10:23 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tips Database References: <000801c11531$0224ee00$2f01010a@dti2> Message-ID: <3B5F17EB.5030602@starkmedia.com> Seth Bienek wrote: > Good, good, good.. > > Couple things.. > > Most of the email addresses (thelist.hdr_fromemail) have the brackets in them still.. Can we strip those in the parsing routine? Also, some of the names (thelist.hdr_fromname) have quotes. yes and yes > Also, starting with message number 11480 there is a shift in the way the date header is formatted. I guess the difference is between the old .mbox file and the new? Is it safe to assume that the current date format of the .mbox mail header will stay the same hereafter? yes and yes > I would like it if the 'hdr_date' field were a date-time field - it would make it much easier to display and query the date of the messages. And this may be asking too much -- the message headers have the date & time followed by the GMT offset - would it be possible to change the time on the emails to GMT time? This would allow us to display the time in relation to the user's time zone (if available), or in relation to Evolt's time zone otherwise. umm. lemme see what i can do. can you just add 5 to the time thats on them to get GMT? thans seth.. .djc. From r937 at interlog.com Wed Jul 25 14:12:04 2001 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Wed Jul 25 14:12:04 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tips Database Message-ID: <01c1153d$0566dc20$f547149a@rudy> > One last thing (for rudy/dan/whoever) - now that the big big batch > is done, we need some indexes on the table. hey seth congrats apologies for not having kept myself informed of the details of all your efforts, but it sounds like you and dean are owed a few rounds... i can slap indexes on anything you want, but i'm wondering if i should even make the attempt over a telnet connection you are referring to the test database, right? could you please save me the effort of combing through thesite archives and tell me what tables are involved? also, a question i guess for all of you, what are the prospects for integrating the tips into the CONTENT table -- worthwhile? don't bother? i used to think the main advantage was that tips would then be searchable, but that may have been long, long ago -- before we found out we couldn't reference LONG columns in WHERE clauses... besides, integrating them would surely cause hiccups to existing article code, which would have to be adjusted to disregard 'articles' within the TIPS category... comments? ideas? let me know if you want me to go ahead with the indexes... it might be better done by someone who knows which oracle tables to query to ensure they have been defined properly... matt? r From seth at sethbienek.com Wed Jul 25 14:15:24 2001 From: seth at sethbienek.com (Seth Bienek) Date: Wed Jul 25 14:15:24 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tips Database In-Reply-To: <3B5F17EB.5030602@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <001101c1153e$0a5a24c0$2f01010a@dti2> > > I would like it if the 'hdr_date' field were a date-time field > umm. lemme see what i can do. can you just add 5 to the time thats on > them to get GMT? I thought the timestamp in the message headers was set by the sending mail client? Is every record set with an offset of -5? Shit. Lemme look, if it is, then nevermind.. We can do the math on the display of the date. The reason I asked is because a date-time field won't hold an offset. Let me check on that and get back to you. Seth "If you're ever in an elite paratrooper group, on a secret mission, and your parachute doesn't open, I don't think anyone would blame you if you scream." -Keith Sanvidge ----------------------------------- Seth Bienek Digitaris Technologies, Inc. tel (972) 690-4131, ext. 103 fax (972) 690-0617 icq 7673959 ----------------------------------- From djc at starkmedia.com Wed Jul 25 14:19:40 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Wed Jul 25 14:19:40 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tips Database References: <001101c1153e$0a5a24c0$2f01010a@dti2> Message-ID: <3B5F1A17.6070009@starkmedia.com> check the headers for the 'EvoltDate' and 'EvoltDate1' field.. i think the second one has what you may be looking for.. and ya, it gets slapped on when the message gets sent out from l.e.o .djc. Seth Bienek wrote: > >>>I would like it if the 'hdr_date' field were a date-time field >>> > > >>umm. lemme see what i can do. can you just add 5 to the time thats on >>them to get GMT? >> > > I thought the timestamp in the message headers was set by the sending mail client? Is every record set with an offset of -5? Shit. Lemme look, if it is, then nevermind.. We can do the math on the display of the date. > > The reason I asked is because a date-time field won't hold an offset. > > Let me check on that and get back to you. > > Seth > > "If you're ever in an elite paratrooper group, on a secret mission, and your parachute doesn't open, I don't think anyone would blame you if you scream." -Keith Sanvidge > ----------------------------------- > Seth Bienek > Digitaris Technologies, Inc. > tel (972) 690-4131, ext. 103 > fax (972) 690-0617 > icq 7673959 > ----------------------------------- > > > > _______________________________________________ > For unsubscribe, archive, and options, go to: > http://lists.evolt.org/mailman/listinfo/thesite > From seth at sethbienek.com Wed Jul 25 14:30:35 2001 From: seth at sethbienek.com (Seth Bienek) Date: Wed Jul 25 14:30:35 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tips Database In-Reply-To: <3B5F1A17.6070009@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <001201c11540$111f51c0$2f01010a@dti2> > >>>I would like it if the 'hdr_date' field were a date-time field > > I thought the timestamp in the message headers was set by the > sending mail client? > check the headers for the 'EvoltDate' and 'EvoltDate1' field.. 'EvoltDate' would work, but we would have to re-parse both mbox files from the beginning. Not sure what is involved in doing this... Seth "If you're ever in an elite paratrooper group, on a secret mission, and your parachute doesn't open, I don't think anyone would blame you if you scream." -Keith Sanvidge ----------------------------------- Seth Bienek Digitaris Technologies, Inc. tel (972) 690-4131, ext. 103 fax (972) 690-0617 icq 7673959 ----------------------------------- From dsmah at home.com Wed Jul 25 14:34:44 2001 From: dsmah at home.com (Dean Mah) Date: Wed Jul 25 14:34:44 2001 Subject: [thesite] map - the FSFE way In-Reply-To: <3B5F0EA0.7070008@visualbridge.tv> from "Bruce Heerssen" at Jul 25, 2001 01:23:28 PM Message-ID: <200107251936.NAA01706@alice.monkeyland.ca> Bruce Heerssen writes: > mantruc wrote: > > > > >Dean Mah wrote: > > > >>This is just a side project for me. I don't want it to take away from > >>the Flash version. My version doesn't scale very well. The maps that > >>it generates are pretty big (500K) depending on the output size. It > >>looks a lot better as a background on my desktop. It's kind of > >>interesting to watch day break and night fall on evolters. Might > >>throw in the option to grab the cloud image overlays that are > >>generated evry 6 hours. > >> > > > >ok, i thought it was cool, but we still need something more apropriate > >(sp?) > > > > +1 > It's *damn* cool. But what is it makes that one inappropriate? It doesn't scale. Can't really zoom in and out. (Not yet at least.) The output file is too big. Flash is cool. ;) Dean From mwarden at mattwarden.com Wed Jul 25 14:36:22 2001 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Wed Jul 25 14:36:22 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tips Database In-Reply-To: <01c1153d$0566dc20$f547149a@rudy> Message-ID: On Jul 25, rudy had something to say about Re: [thesite] Tips Database >better done by someone who knows which oracle tables to query to ensure >they have been defined properly... matt? Who? What? It's not mine, I swear. Oh. Yeah, you have to use one of those SELECT thingies against the oracle system data-holding-structures. In other words, get dean or dan to do it. I have NFI. Feels nice to be referenced tho. Thanks. -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From dsmah at home.com Wed Jul 25 14:49:16 2001 From: dsmah at home.com (Dean Mah) Date: Wed Jul 25 14:49:16 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tips Database In-Reply-To: <01c1153d$0566dc20$f547149a@rudy> from "rudy" at Jul 25, 2001 03:07:16 PM Message-ID: <200107251951.NAA01761@alice.monkeyland.ca> rudy writes: > you are referring to the test database, right? Yes. > could you please save me the effort of combing through thesite > archives and tell me what tables are involved? Only one so far, THELIST. > also, a question i guess for all of you, what are the prospects for > integrating the tips into the CONTENT table -- worthwhile? don't > bother? i used to think the main advantage was that tips would then > be searchable, but that may have been long, long ago -- before we > found out we couldn't reference LONG columns in WHERE clauses... > besides, integrating them would surely cause hiccups to existing > article code, which would have to be adjusted to disregard > 'articles' within the TIPS category... comments? ideas? I thought that this was our intent from the beginning, i.e., to get the tips into the CONTENT table. Doesn't Verity or Cold Fusion give you functions to search LONGs and LOBs? > let me know if you want me to go ahead with the indexes... it might > be better done by someone who knows which oracle tables to query to > ensure they have been defined properly... matt? The structure may change in the near future but it currently looks like: SQL> desc thelist; Name Null? Type ---------------------------------------- -------- ---------------------------- LISTID NUMBER MESSAGEID NUMBER HDR_MESSAGEID VARCHAR2(512) HDR_FROMNAME VARCHAR2(512) HDR_FROMEMAIL VARCHAR2(512) HDR_TOEMAIL VARCHAR2(1024) HDR_SUBJECT VARCHAR2(512) HDR_DATE VARCHAR2(512) HDR_INREPLYTO VARCHAR2(512) BDY_CONTENT LONG Dean From bheerssen at visualbridge.tv Wed Jul 25 14:51:03 2001 From: bheerssen at visualbridge.tv (Bruce Heerssen) Date: Wed Jul 25 14:51:03 2001 Subject: [thesite] map - the FSFE way References: Message-ID: <3B5F23C0.60303@visualbridge.tv> Warden, Matt wrote: > >Member id for zoom? If we're not doing that now, would be good > I agree in principle, but I think it would be best left for later. That adds a whole other level of complexity. But a flyout info chart with the members' info wouldn't be too hard. > >Also, if their in decimal, you won't need the w,n,s,e hemisphere ids. It's >positive and negative instead. > Good idear. That would also make the conversion in flash a little easier. > >No need. Just require users to supply their lat/long coords. > > >Supply them with the links to figure this out. > Hmm... I suppose. Would certainly make things easier. -Bruce From seth at sethbienek.com Wed Jul 25 14:52:17 2001 From: seth at sethbienek.com (Seth Bienek) Date: Wed Jul 25 14:52:17 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tips Database In-Reply-To: <01c1153d$0566dc20$f547149a@rudy> Message-ID: <001401c11543$2f1211b0$2f01010a@dti2> > congrats Congrats to Dean, he did all the work. :) > apologies for not having kept myself informed of the details of all your > efforts, but it sounds like you and dean are owed a few rounds... You can't be everywhere.. I'll sure take anyone up on those rounds though! :) > i can slap indexes on anything you want, but i'm wondering if i > should even > make the attempt over a telnet connection Whatever works for you. Not a big rush, but it will help things along nicely whenever the indexes are in place. > could you please save me the effort of combing through thesite > archives and > tell me what tables are involved? From what I know, there is apparently a test database for Oracle. The table name is 'thelist'. That is all, for now. I do believe the table structure for 'thetips' needs some changes, though.. Currently 'thetips' looks like this: ---------------------------------------- -------- ---------------------------- TIP_ID NOT NULL NUMBER(8) TIP_DATE NOT NULL DATE AUTHOR_ID NUMBER(8) TIP_TYPE VARCHAR2(200) AUTHOR VARCHAR2(50) BODY LONG It needs two more fields: messageid ??? <- This is a FK for the mesageid field in 'thetips' tip_type_id number(8) <- This will be a FK to a table used for standardizing tip types And some renames: attrib_type VARCHAR2 (200) <- This should replace TIP_TYPE. attrib_author VARCHAR2 (50) <- This should replace AUTHOR. tip_body LONG <- This should replace BODY > integrating the tips into the CONTENT table -- worthwhile? don't bother? Beats me. I don't see any advantage. > i used to think the main advantage was that tips would then be searchable, We should be able to index this with Verity, no? Seth "If you're ever in an elite paratrooper group, on a secret mission, and your parachute doesn't open, I don't think anyone would blame you if you scream." -Keith Sanvidge ----------------------------------- Seth Bienek Digitaris Technologies, Inc. tel (972) 690-4131, ext. 103 fax (972) 690-0617 icq 7673959 ----------------------------------- From seth at sethbienek.com Wed Jul 25 14:54:27 2001 From: seth at sethbienek.com (Seth Bienek) Date: Wed Jul 25 14:54:27 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tips Database In-Reply-To: <200107251951.NAA01761@alice.monkeyland.ca> Message-ID: <001501c11543$72314bf0$2f01010a@dti2> > I thought that this was our intent from the beginning, i.e., to get > the tips into the CONTENT table. I'm unclear on the reason for doing this. Could someone explain it to me or point me to the thread? Seth "If you're ever in an elite paratrooper group, on a secret mission, and your parachute doesn't open, I don't think anyone would blame you if you scream." -Keith Sanvidge ----------------------------------- Seth Bienek Digitaris Technologies, Inc. tel (972) 690-4131, ext. 103 fax (972) 690-0617 icq 7673959 ----------------------------------- From mwarden at mattwarden.com Wed Jul 25 15:02:24 2001 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Wed Jul 25 15:02:24 2001 Subject: [thesite] map - the FSFE way In-Reply-To: <3B5F23C0.60303@visualbridge.tv> Message-ID: -- mattwarden mattwarden.com On Jul 25, Bruce Heerssen had something to say about Re: [thesite] map -... >> >>Member id for zoom? If we're not doing that now, would be good >> >I agree in principle, but I think it would be best left for later. That >adds a whole other level of complexity. But a flyout info chart with the >members' info wouldn't be too hard. I hadn't realized I didn't finish that sentence. What I meant to say was "If we're not doing (the zoom) now, it would be good to set it up to provide the member id should we decide to do that in the future." And not so much info, but hovering or zooming in would use the member ids to get the member name so that it's just not a bunch of dots. Like, when you check the "labels" checkbox on dean's map. >Hmm... I suppose. Would certainly make things easier. > >-Bruce Yeah. I'm inclined to mention member pages here... -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From dsmah at home.com Wed Jul 25 15:02:48 2001 From: dsmah at home.com (Dean Mah) Date: Wed Jul 25 15:02:48 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tips Database In-Reply-To: <001201c11540$111f51c0$2f01010a@dti2> from "Seth Bienek" at Jul 25, 2001 02:29:05 PM Message-ID: <200107252004.OAA01790@alice.monkeyland.ca> Seth Bienek writes: > > check the headers for the 'EvoltDate' and 'EvoltDate1' field.. > > 'EvoltDate' would work, but we would have to re-parse both mbox > files from the beginning. Not sure what is involved in doing > this... I will insert EvoltDate1 which looks to be GMT. It's in an easier format to convert into an Oracle DATE datatype. I won't have time to make this change until later today. I'll have to delete everything in the table and re-load the messages so don't get too attached to the data in there as it is. Dean From dsmah at home.com Wed Jul 25 15:05:50 2001 From: dsmah at home.com (Dean Mah) Date: Wed Jul 25 15:05:50 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tips Database In-Reply-To: <001501c11543$72314bf0$2f01010a@dti2> from "Seth Bienek" at Jul 25, 2001 02:53:16 PM Message-ID: <200107252006.OAA01804@alice.monkeyland.ca> Seth Bienek writes: > > I thought that this was our intent from the beginning, i.e., to get > > the tips into the CONTENT table. > > I'm unclear on the reason for doing this. Could someone explain it > to me or point me to the thread? I think that we just wanted to leverage the existing infrastructure. ;) If we were able to treat the tips are articles, we could: search, print, rate, comment on, etc. with minimal changes. Dean From martin at members.evolt.org Wed Jul 25 15:15:59 2001 From: martin at members.evolt.org (Martin) Date: Wed Jul 25 15:15:59 2001 Subject: [thesite] map - the FSFE way Message-ID: <038134316201971PCOW028M@blueyonder.co.uk> Warden, Matt wrote on 25/7/01 7:32 pm >>Anyone figure out a way to find lats and lons for other countries based >>upon postal address (or code)? Arg. Geocoding. It's not fun. The likes of http://www.mapinfo.com/ and other GIS suppliers make a very, very large amount of money off it. Here's a thought - could the zoom be provided by someone like http://www.multimap.com or mapquest? Here's me: http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?pc=eh111qj The pc bit is my postcode (with spaces removed). Or for the US with Mapquest: Cheers Martin _______________________________________________ email: martin at easyweb.co.uk PGP ID: 0xA835CCCB martin at members.evolt.org snailmail: 30 Shandon Place tel: +44 (0)774 063 9985 Edinburgh, url: http://www.easyweb.co.uk Scotland From seth at sethbienek.com Wed Jul 25 15:19:24 2001 From: seth at sethbienek.com (Seth Bienek) Date: Wed Jul 25 15:19:24 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tips Database In-Reply-To: <200107252006.OAA01804@alice.monkeyland.ca> Message-ID: <001601c11546$d8fe19f0$2f01010a@dti2> > If we were able to treat the tips are articles, we could: search, > print, rate, comment on, etc. with minimal changes. Say, that's pretty cool.. We can still search and print fairly easy.. It would be cool to be able to rate the tips.. But the messages and tips database have proprietary field names.. Isn't that a significant barrier to keeping the data in the content table? Seth "If you're ever in an elite paratrooper group, on a secret mission, and your parachute doesn't open, I don't think anyone would blame you if you scream." -Keith Sanvidge ----------------------------------- Seth Bienek Digitaris Technologies, Inc. tel (972) 690-4131, ext. 103 fax (972) 690-0617 icq 7673959 ----------------------------------- From r937 at interlog.com Wed Jul 25 15:28:34 2001 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Wed Jul 25 15:28:34 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tips Database Message-ID: <01c11547$ba4db280$f547149a@rudy> > I won't have time to make this change until later today. > I'll have to delete everything in the table and re-load the > messages so don't get too attached to the data in there as it is. heh, attached to the data -- as if dean, if it's okay, i'll defer defining the indexes to you it's not like it's rocket science, right? > I think that we just wanted to leverage the existing infrastructure. ;) > If we were able to treat the tips are articles, we could: search, > print, rate, comment on, etc. with minimal changes. yeah, that's the word i was looking for -- leverage!! but don't forget, it forces changes to existing code -- some pages want to list just articles (e.g. the home page, the main page for each category...) i think we should let the new table for tips stabilize first besides, there may be quite a bit of cleansing to do, to link tips to their proper authors, to categorize them, etc. by the way, the data warehousing buzzword for what we're doing here is ETL -- extract, transformation, and load ETL isn't necessarily all accomplished outside the database -- several steps may be done inside the database, using SQL to schluff data from one intermediate table to the next... CONTENT would be the final target... rudy From djc at starkmedia.com Wed Jul 25 15:45:18 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Wed Jul 25 15:45:18 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tips Database References: <200107252004.OAA01790@alice.monkeyland.ca> Message-ID: <3B5F2E22.1000300@starkmedia.com> Dean Mah wrote: > I will insert EvoltDate1 which looks to be GMT. It's in an easier > format to convert into an Oracle DATE datatype. oky > I won't have time to make this change until later today. I'll have to > delete everything in the table and re-load the messages so don't get > too attached to the data in there as it is. no rush i guess, and thanks :) .djc. From djc at starkmedia.com Wed Jul 25 15:46:55 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Wed Jul 25 15:46:55 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tips Database References: <200107252004.OAA01790@alice.monkeyland.ca> <3B5F2E22.1000300@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <3B5F2E7F.2070003@starkmedia.com> forgot to say that before you do that, it may be a problem that not every email has evoltdate1 in its header.. thats probably only about 8-12 months old :( dont know what/if that affects anything Daniel J. Cody wrote: > > > Dean Mah wrote: > > >> I will insert EvoltDate1 which looks to be GMT. It's in an easier >> format to convert into an Oracle DATE datatype. > > > > oky > > >> I won't have time to make this change until later today. I'll have to >> delete everything in the table and re-load the messages so don't get >> too attached to the data in there as it is. > > > no rush i guess, and thanks :) > > .djc. > > > _______________________________________________ > For unsubscribe, archive, and options, go to: > http://lists.evolt.org/mailman/listinfo/thesite From dsmah at home.com Wed Jul 25 15:48:05 2001 From: dsmah at home.com (Dean Mah) Date: Wed Jul 25 15:48:05 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tips Database In-Reply-To: <001601c11546$d8fe19f0$2f01010a@dti2> from "Seth Bienek" at Jul 25, 2001 03:17:37 PM Message-ID: <200107252050.OAA01915@alice.monkeyland.ca> Seth Bienek writes: > > If we were able to treat the tips are articles, we could: search, > > print, rate, comment on, etc. with minimal changes. > > Say, that's pretty cool.. We can still search and print fairly > easy.. It would be cool to be able to rate the tips.. It would also be useful to comment on tips or be able to update them when new or contradictory information was discovered. > But the messages and tips database have proprietary field names.. > Isn't that a significant barrier to keeping the data in the content > table? Ahhh, that's originally what I thought the second process had resolved. I thought that the first part was to get only the tips in and then the second part was to load the tips into the CONTENT table. Apparently not though. I am not qualified to say how much work it would be to convert the existing CF code to handle the tips in the CONTENT table or how much work it is to get them in there using your code. If the cost is high, I would see it as the only negative. Dean From martin at easyweb.co.uk Wed Jul 25 15:53:16 2001 From: martin at easyweb.co.uk (Martin Burns) Date: Wed Jul 25 15:53:16 2001 Subject: [thesite] aeo functionality Message-ID: <077900854201971PCOW024M@blueyonder.co.uk> Dunno if this helps any, but we're using an aeo-type project management app on my current client project: http://www.psteering.com/product/product_powerup.htm There may be ideas we can steal from it - it's an ASP app, so I don't see us getting at any of the code :-( Features list is at http://www.psteering.com/product/product2.htm Cheers Martin _______________________________________________ email: martin at easyweb.co.uk PGP ID: 0xA835CCCB martin at members.evolt.org snailmail: 30 Shandon Place tel: +44 (0)774 063 9985 Edinburgh, url: http://www.easyweb.co.uk Scotland From dsmah at home.com Wed Jul 25 15:55:14 2001 From: dsmah at home.com (Dean Mah) Date: Wed Jul 25 15:55:14 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tips Database In-Reply-To: <01c11547$ba4db280$f547149a@rudy> from "rudy" at Jul 25, 2001 04:23:55 PM Message-ID: <200107252056.OAA01954@alice.monkeyland.ca> rudy writes: > dean, if it's okay, i'll defer defining the indexes to you > > it's not like it's rocket science, right? Sure, no problem. > but don't forget, it forces changes to existing code -- some pages > want to list just articles (e.g. the home page, the main page for > each category...) Yes, see my message to Seth. If the cost to change the code is prohibitive than so be it. > i think we should let the new table for tips stabilize first > > besides, there may be quite a bit of cleansing to do, to link tips > to their proper authors, to categorize them, etc. I have no doubt about that. It's one of the reasons that I have held off trying to do it for the past couple years. :) > by the way, the data warehousing buzzword for what we're doing here > is ETL -- extract, transformation, and load Yup, I was DBA in a DW environment for a couple of years. There we grabbed data from a mainframe's ISM and VSAM structure, processed with COBOL, created load scripts on AIX, filtered them with Perl once in a while, and then loaded with Oracle's SQL*Loader. Ah, the good 'ole days. :) Dean From dsmah at home.com Wed Jul 25 15:58:25 2001 From: dsmah at home.com (Dean Mah) Date: Wed Jul 25 15:58:25 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tips Database In-Reply-To: <3B5F2E7F.2070003@starkmedia.com> from "Daniel J. Cody" at Jul 25, 2001 03:39:27 PM Message-ID: <200107252100.PAA01965@alice.monkeyland.ca> Dammit! #$!@$#$@!% That's it, I quit! I'm not getting paid enough to put up with this inconsistency! >:( Dean Guess I'll have to parse the evoltdate header then. I hate doing that especially if the format changed in the middle. Daniel J. Cody writes: > forgot to say that before you do that, it may be a problem that not > every email has evoltdate1 in its header.. thats probably only about > 8-12 months old :( > > dont know what/if that affects anything From r937 at interlog.com Wed Jul 25 16:06:49 2001 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Wed Jul 25 16:06:49 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tips Database Message-ID: <01c1154c$fff79d00$f547149a@rudy> > Ah, the good 'ole days. :) LOL you're what, still in your twenties? my son will be 30 next month i was into fortran and algol when he was born... anyhow, about the impact of converting tips into the CONTENT table... like i said, we should probably let it stabilize for a while... let a few weekly harvester cycles add some batches in... make the new table(s) the source for searches on the harvester on w.e.o... and then take another look i don't think the impact will be prohibitive, but on the other hand, let's be realistic about what it could buy us... there may not be much of a demand to rate or comment on tips... and as for searches, well, there are several ways to skin a cat... UNION springs to mind, as does a combined verity collection... rudy From seth at sethbienek.com Wed Jul 25 16:07:50 2001 From: seth at sethbienek.com (Seth Bienek) Date: Wed Jul 25 16:07:50 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tips Database In-Reply-To: <200107252100.PAA01965@alice.monkeyland.ca> Message-ID: <001701c1154d$a2814350$2f01010a@dti2> > especially if the format changed in the middle. The format changes at message number 11480, to be exact. :) This is what I did to parse out the dates (not sure if it's any help to you): Does that make sense? It's not so much work to parse the data out, it's just a pain in the ass to do it every time you need the info, and it's not feasible for querying purposes.. Seth "If you're ever in an elite paratrooper group, on a secret mission, and your parachute doesn't open, I don't think anyone would blame you if you scream." -Keith Sanvidge ----------------------------------- Seth Bienek Digitaris Technologies, Inc. tel (972) 690-4131, ext. 103 fax (972) 690-0617 icq 7673959 ----------------------------------- From martin at easyweb.co.uk Wed Jul 25 16:09:04 2001 From: martin at easyweb.co.uk (Martin Burns) Date: Wed Jul 25 16:09:04 2001 Subject: [thesite] weo CF error on edit comment Message-ID: <063225209211971PCOW028M@blueyonder.co.uk> Got this error when I edited a comment of mine. The page worked fine, but I got the error: Error Occurred While Processing Request Error Diagnostic Information An error occurred while evaluating the expression: Val(session.user.id) AND Val(session.user.id) NEQ Val(getarticle.userid) Error near line 73, column 36. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Error resolving parameter GETARTICLE.USERID ColdFusion was unable to determine the value of the parameter. This problem is very likely due to the fact that either: 1. You have misspelled the parameter name, or 2. You have not specified a QUERY attribute for a CFOUTPUT, CFMAIL, or CFTABLE tag. The error occurred while processing an element with a general identifier of (CFIF), occupying document position (73:10) to (73:88) in the template file /home/evolt/public_html/evolt/dsp_sidebar.cfm. Date/Time: Wed Jul 25 16:07:46 2001 Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Mac_PowerPC) Remote Address: 62.31.77.8 HTTP Referer: http://www.evolt.org/article/view/17/1326/index.html Query String: section=comment&subsection=view&action=edit&tid=17&aid=1326&cid=14507 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ email: martin at easyweb.co.uk PGP ID: 0xA835CCCB martin at members.evolt.org snailmail: 30 Shandon Place tel: +44 (0)774 063 9985 Edinburgh, url: http://www.easyweb.co.uk Scotland From dsmah at home.com Wed Jul 25 16:23:18 2001 From: dsmah at home.com (Dean Mah) Date: Wed Jul 25 16:23:18 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tips Database In-Reply-To: <001701c1154d$a2814350$2f01010a@dti2> from "Seth Bienek" at Jul 25, 2001 04:06:12 PM Message-ID: <200107252125.PAA02079@alice.monkeyland.ca> Seth Bienek writes: > > especially if the format changed in the middle. > > The format changes at message number 11480, to be exact. :) Okay, cool. It's also helpful that it doesn't change among different (> 2) formats. > This is what I did to parse out the dates (not sure if it's any help > to you): > > Does that make sense? It's not so much work to parse the data out, > it's just a pain in the ass to do it every time you need the info, > and it's not feasible for querying purposes.. Yeah, not a big deal. I was just too lazy to do it. Do you do anything with the time? I'll be storing that as well so we can do searches like: tips less than 4 hours old. :) Dean From djc at starkmedia.com Wed Jul 25 16:27:20 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Wed Jul 25 16:27:20 2001 Subject: [thesite] weo CF error on edit comment References: <063225209211971PCOW028M@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <3B5F37F7.6080908@starkmedia.com> fixed.. changed to session.user.id Martin Burns wrote: > Val(session.user.id) AND Val(session.user.id) NEQ Val(getarticle.userid) From seth at sethbienek.com Wed Jul 25 16:28:26 2001 From: seth at sethbienek.com (Seth Bienek) Date: Wed Jul 25 16:28:26 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tips Database In-Reply-To: <200107252125.PAA02079@alice.monkeyland.ca> Message-ID: <001801c11550$a22a9070$2f01010a@dti2> > Do you do anything with the time? The time is mucho importanto for sorting.. That's why I wanted to use GMT: in order to get consistent, relative, message times. It can be stored in the same field as the date, right? Seth "If you're ever in an elite paratrooper group, on a secret mission, and your parachute doesn't open, I don't think anyone would blame you if you scream." -Keith Sanvidge ----------------------------------- Seth Bienek Digitaris Technologies, Inc. tel (972) 690-4131, ext. 103 fax (972) 690-0617 icq 7673959 ----------------------------------- From dsmah at home.com Wed Jul 25 16:28:55 2001 From: dsmah at home.com (Dean Mah) Date: Wed Jul 25 16:28:55 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tips Database In-Reply-To: <01c1154c$fff79d00$f547149a@rudy> from "rudy" at Jul 25, 2001 05:01:39 PM Message-ID: <200107252130.PAA02094@alice.monkeyland.ca> rudy writes: > you're what, still in your twenties? > > my son will be 30 next month I'm almost 30. A year to go. > i don't think the impact will be prohibitive, but on the other hand, > let's be realistic about what it could buy us... there may not be > much of a demand to rate or comment on tips... In parsing the tips, I've seen people post replies or addendums to previous tips which would definitely be represented better by a tip comment. I've also seen people dispute the usefulness of a tip and then re-write it their own image. It would also allow us to easily link the tips in the author's profile and let it contribute to the author rating that we were thinking about before. Dean From djc at starkmedia.com Wed Jul 25 16:32:52 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Wed Jul 25 16:32:52 2001 Subject: [thesite] weo CF error on edit comment References: <063225209211971PCOW028M@blueyonder.co.uk> <3B5F37F7.6080908@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <3B5F3942.3070108@starkmedia.com> er, ok. thats a mistake :) i'll fix it my own mistake :) Daniel J. Cody wrote: > fixed.. changed to session.user.id > > Martin Burns wrote: > > >> Val(session.user.id) AND Val(session.user.id) NEQ Val(getarticle.userid) > > > > > _______________________________________________ > For unsubscribe, archive, and options, go to: > http://lists.evolt.org/mailman/listinfo/thesite From jeff at members.evolt.org Wed Jul 25 16:35:09 2001 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff) Date: Wed Jul 25 16:35:09 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tips Database In-Reply-To: <200107252100.PAA01965@alice.monkeyland.ca> Message-ID: dean, :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : From: Dean Mah : : Dammit! #$!@$#$@!% That's it, I quit! I'm : not getting paid enough to put up with this : inconsistency! >:( :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ cute -- now put down the gun :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : Guess I'll have to parse the evoltdate header : then. I hate doing that especially if the : format changed in the middle. :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ i looked at parsing that header awhile back. i'm sure it'd be alot easier in perl, but this is what i came up with: i've got a struct of months which correctly references that months month number based on the abbreviation: i get the date from the header and extract the necessary pieces from it (using list functions and space as the delimiter): year: #ListGetAt(row, 4, " ")# month: #months[ListGetAt(row, 3, " ")]# date: #ListGetAt(row, 2, " ")# time: #ListGetAt(row, 5, " ")# the bitch is the time. it's in a variety of formats so converting it to gmt isn't going to be easy (without trying to write logic that accounts for every known possibility). here's a sampling from the test data i got to work with: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:47:28 -0300 Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:47:28 +0500 Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:47:28 +1300 Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:47:28 +0500 Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:47:28 -1000 Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:47:28 +0300 Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:47:28 +0100 Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:47:28 -0200 Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:47:28 +0900 Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:47:28 +0800 Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:47:28 CST Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:47:28 -1200 Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:47:28 +0100 Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:47:28 CST Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:47:28 -0200 Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:47:28 +0600 Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:47:28 -0300 Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:47:28 +0500 Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:47:28 +0600 Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:47:28 -1000 Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:47:28 +0800 Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:47:28 CST Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:47:28 +0700 Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:47:28 CST Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:47:28 +0300 Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:47:28 +1000 Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:47:28 -0800 (PST) i'm guessing the cst in there reflects +/- 0000. good luck, .jeff http://evolt.org/ jeff at members.evolt.org http://members.evolt.org/jeff/ From dsmah at home.com Wed Jul 25 16:37:44 2001 From: dsmah at home.com (Dean Mah) Date: Wed Jul 25 16:37:44 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tips Database In-Reply-To: <001801c11550$a22a9070$2f01010a@dti2> from "Seth Bienek" at Jul 25, 2001 04:27:40 PM Message-ID: <200107252138.PAA02130@alice.monkeyland.ca> Seth Bienek writes: > > Do you do anything with the time? > > The time is mucho importanto for sorting.. That's why I wanted to > use GMT: in order to get consistent, relative, message times. It > can be stored in the same field as the date, right? Yup. Oracle only has one DATE datatype that stores everything. You may want/need to alter your session to get it in the timezone that you require. I think that it will default to the server's timezone. Dean From seth at sethbienek.com Wed Jul 25 16:40:22 2001 From: seth at sethbienek.com (Seth Bienek) Date: Wed Jul 25 16:40:22 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tips Database In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001901c11552$3fd24150$2f01010a@dti2> > Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:47:28 CST > Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:47:28 +0300 > Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:47:28 +1000 > Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:47:28 -0800 (PST) Yeah, I was noticing that too. What a bitch, eh? > i'm guessing the cst in there reflects +/- 0000. CST = Central Standard Time = -0600 PST = Pacific Standard Time = -0800 (i think) There's like, 22 more of those, too... Seth "If you're ever in an elite paratrooper group, on a secret mission, and your parachute doesn't open, I don't think anyone would blame you if you scream." -Keith Sanvidge ----------------------------------- Seth Bienek Digitaris Technologies, Inc. tel (972) 690-4131, ext. 103 fax (972) 690-0617 icq 7673959 ----------------------------------- From dsmah at home.com Wed Jul 25 16:45:11 2001 From: dsmah at home.com (Dean Mah) Date: Wed Jul 25 16:45:11 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tips Database In-Reply-To: from ".jeff" at Jul 25, 2001 02:35:18 PM Message-ID: <200107252147.PAA02173@alice.monkeyland.ca> .jeff writes: > i looked at parsing that header awhile back. i'm sure it'd be alot > easier in perl, but this is what i came up with: Actually, I've done this before already for the date so that's not a problem. I've also done the time but in a restricted environment (read: strict format). > the bitch is the time. it's in a variety of formats so converting > it to gmt isn't going to be easy (without trying to write logic that > accounts for every known possibility). here's a sampling from the > test data i got to work with: Cool... the test data helps. Once I run the script I'm sure I'll find all of the other anomolies. :) > Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:47:28 CST > > i'm guessing the cst in there reflects +/- 0000. Or, Central Standard Time, -0600 I believe. Dean From jeff at members.evolt.org Wed Jul 25 16:57:51 2001 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff) Date: Wed Jul 25 16:57:51 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tips Database In-Reply-To: <001901c11552$3fd24150$2f01010a@dti2> Message-ID: seth, :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : From: Seth Bienek : : > Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:47:28 CST : > Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:47:28 +0300 : > Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:47:28 +1000 : > Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:47:28 -0800 (PST) : : Yeah, I was noticing that too. What : a bitch, eh? :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ exactly. if i were inclined and had to do it in cf, i'd be inclined to create another structure called offsets where i'd use the abbreviations as the keys and have the offset as the value: then you just gotta check the data type and match them up with the right key, if necessary. offset: #ListGetAt(row, 6, " ")# #offsets[ListGetAt(row, 6, " ")]# :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : CST = Central Standard Time = -0600 : PST = Pacific Standard Time = -0800 (i think) : : There's like, 22 more of those, too... :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ i think you're right about CST *not* being +/-0000. after looking the data over alittle better, i found some entries like this: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:47:28 GMT we *could* define all the possible offset abbreviations and map them to the actual offset value, but i don't think that'll be necessary. in my sampling of over 4500 rows, i only found CST, GMT, and PST (which can be ignored because it includes the offset in the same position as the rest of the data). so, that leaves CST and GMT abbreviations in the offset value column that need to be dealt with. of course, it doesn't hurt to take necessary precautions either. anybody got a listing of all offset abbreviations and their values handy? thanks, .jeff http://evolt.org/ jeff at members.evolt.org http://members.evolt.org/jeff/ From javier at msm.cl Wed Jul 25 17:58:00 2001 From: javier at msm.cl (mantruc) Date: Wed Jul 25 17:58:00 2001 Subject: [thesite] map - the FSFE way References: <200107242209.QAA02382@alice.monkeyland.ca> <3B5DF580.5F09F32C@msm.cl> <3B5F0EA0.7070008@visualbridge.tv> Message-ID: <3B5F4ED5.45B9D930@msm.cl> Bruce Heerssen wrote: > > mantruc wrote: > > > > >Dean Mah wrote: > > > >>This is just a side project for me. I don't want it to take away from > >>the Flash version. My version doesn't scale very well. The maps that > >>it generates are pretty big (500K) depending on the output size. It > >>looks a lot better as a background on my desktop. It's kind of > >>interesting to watch day break and night fall on evolters. Might > >>throw in the option to grab the cloud image overlays that are > >>generated evry 6 hours. > >> > > > >ok, i thought it was cool, but we still need something more apropriate > >(sp?) > > > > +1 > It's *damn* cool. But what is it makes that one inappropriate? wee need a flat map as a base the goal of the map -the way i see it - is to show all the members at once in a relatively proportional map so we can see how far appart we are from each other > Sorry, I've been busy for a while and haven't had much time for this. > I'll just have to take baby steps with this one as I have other more > important projects - like the ones that pay my bills ;) undesrtood, no prob > I found some really nice maps that could be used and I downloaded a > list of lats & lons for many US cities. I have a script ready to put > that into a database, or I could have it as a text file. > > So that's got the basis for a start - I think I'll be able to find more > time for this either tonight or this weekend (full schedule for me this > week). if you have some time this saturday holler me at javier at mantruc.com - not subscribed from there > Anyone figure out a way to find lats and lons for other countries based > upon postal address (or code)? Looks like we are particularly interested > in Chile, Brittain, Western Europe, and Australia. That should cover > most folks on the list - let me know if there's more.. i think the list has lots of people from india don't know about China - Japan, but i bet there are some but a universal city locator, as the ones provided by Dean, can serve the whole world i feel like i don't know where to start on this, don't know where i can be of help i just don't want this thing to die, we've been waiting this for just too long. -- javier http://mantruc.com From dsmah at home.com Wed Jul 25 18:40:49 2001 From: dsmah at home.com (Dean Mah) Date: Wed Jul 25 18:40:49 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tips Database In-Reply-To: <000801c11531$0224ee00$2f01010a@dti2> from "Seth Bienek" at Jul 25, 2001 12:41:17 PM Message-ID: <200107252342.RAA02574@alice.monkeyland.ca> Seth Bienek writes: > Most of the email addresses (thelist.hdr_fromemail) have the > brackets in them still.. Can we strip those in the parsing routine? > Also, some of the names (thelist.hdr_fromname) have quotes. Done. > I would like it if the 'hdr_date' field were a date-time field Done. Selecting from the server will give you the time in CST. You will need to use the newtime function to convert to a different timezone within the US. Outside the US, you'll need to write something else. > One last thing (for rudy/dan/whoever) - now that the big big batch > is done, we need some indexes on the table. messageid (unique PK), > header_messageid (not unique, null for older messages), > hdr_inreplyto (not unique, null for original posts older messages), > and hdr_fromemail (not unique, possible fk for members table?) messageid is now the primary key. Indexes on hdr_messageid and hdr_inreplyto have been created. Changes to the THETIPS table have been made. tip_id is the primary key and message_id is a foreign key to the THELIST table. tip_date is not null. Dean From seth at sethbienek.com Wed Jul 25 18:48:23 2001 From: seth at sethbienek.com (Seth Bienek) Date: Wed Jul 25 18:48:23 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tips Database In-Reply-To: <200107252342.RAA02574@alice.monkeyland.ca> Message-ID: <001a01c11564$1f8fdf80$2f01010a@dti2> > Done. You, sir, are a God. > > I would like it if the 'hdr_date' field were a date-time field > > > Done. Selecting from the server will give you the time in CST. I don't see the time in the date field. Did it make it into the database? Seth "If you're ever in an elite paratrooper group, on a secret mission, and your parachute doesn't open, I don't think anyone would blame you if you scream." -Keith Sanvidge ----------------------------------- Seth Bienek Digitaris Technologies, Inc. tel (972) 690-4131, ext. 103 fax (972) 690-0617 icq 7673959 ----------------------------------- From michele at wordpro.on.ca Wed Jul 25 19:17:28 2001 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Wed Jul 25 19:17:28 2001 Subject: [thesite] [Bug] [a.e.o.] Job Numbers Message-ID: <008701c11568$81d0a040$3e079ad8@mef> Dan, Something is odd with the job numbers. When I click to create a new job, it is stuck on Job No. 16, and the url says Edit (http://admin.evolt.org/jobs/index.cfm?action=Edit) This actually happened while I was trying to edit a job (didn't catch the number), and it wouldn't let me save the edits cos it said job no. 16 was already assigned.. and it prompted me to give it a new number (which I did, 19). A few people may have received status updates cos of this .. oops. I didn't want to mess things up, so, I didn't add the jobs from admin yet. I'll let you sort this out, and add them in the next day or so. Thanks, Michele From dsmah at home.com Wed Jul 25 19:44:13 2001 From: dsmah at home.com (Dean Mah) Date: Wed Jul 25 19:44:13 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tips Database In-Reply-To: <001a01c11564$1f8fdf80$2f01010a@dti2> from "Seth Bienek" at Jul 25, 2001 06:47:11 PM Message-ID: <200107260046.SAA02688@alice.monkeyland.ca> Seth Bienek writes: > > > I would like it if the 'hdr_date' field were a date-time field > > > > Done. Selecting from the server will give you the time in CST. > > I don't see the time in the date field. Did it make it into the > database? It's likely because the default NLS_DATE_FORMAT is something like YYYY-MON-DD. You can alter your session and set it to something else or in your query use TO_CHAR to convert it into a character string. For example, SELECT TO_CHAR(hdr_date, 'YYYY/MM/DD HH24:MI:SS') FROM thelist; Dean From seth at sethbienek.com Wed Jul 25 20:03:13 2001 From: seth at sethbienek.com (Seth Bienek) Date: Wed Jul 25 20:03:13 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tips Database In-Reply-To: <200107260046.SAA02688@alice.monkeyland.ca> Message-ID: <001b01c1156e$90942ba0$2f01010a@dti2> > It's likely because the default NLS_DATE_FORMAT is something like > YYYY-MON-DD. You can alter your session and set it to something else > or in your query use TO_CHAR to convert it into a character string. > For example, > > SELECT TO_CHAR(hdr_date, 'YYYY/MM/DD HH24:MI:SS') FROM thelist; Yeah, I knew all that. I was just testing you. ;) Byootiful! Thanks again Dean! Seth "If you're ever in an elite paratrooper group, on a secret mission, and your parachute doesn't open, I don't think anyone would blame you if you scream." -Keith Sanvidge ----------------------------------- Seth Bienek Digitaris Technologies, Inc. tel (972) 690-4131, ext. 103 fax (972) 690-0617 icq 7673959 ----------------------------------- From isaac at members.evolt.org Wed Jul 25 20:43:56 2001 From: isaac at members.evolt.org (isaac) Date: Wed Jul 25 20:43:56 2001 Subject: WAIT! Re: [thesite] feo update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > >we also need a third (and perhaps) fourth frontdoor styling for other > >sections. > > Who? Ok, are those rows alternating colors/colours or does each one have > its own color/colour? alternating. From isaac at members.evolt.org Wed Jul 25 20:44:00 2001 From: isaac at members.evolt.org (isaac) Date: Wed Jul 25 20:44:00 2001 Subject: WAIT! Re: [thesite] feo update In-Reply-To: <200107251357.f6PDvPx00591@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: > they're there... they are *now*. garrett added them after my request. > > (see the dividing lines here: > > http://www.triplezero.com.au/isaac/evolt/food/food3.jpg) > > +1, as darker lines... garrett - forgot to mention it in the offlist email this morning: can you make the dividing lines darker. same as in the jpg above. > > also, i want the "food for hungry minds" to look perfect, so make that > > a GIF (spacing is critical). it'll be big enough for ALT text to show > > nicely anyway. ditto with RECIPES and CHEFS if possible. my PSD also > > uhhh... you want .gif text... he heh... yeh, i want GIF text. it's a title, not a recipe body. ;p > you'll either have to slice 'em and re-code all those sections a bit, > or figure something else out... ok, forget that bit for now. > > sidebar styling also needs to be modified colour-wise (black titles) > > specifically. i would also prefer no bullet points for the links below > > each title. > > why not? or am i looking in the wrong place? you might be seeing the changes garrett has made. no bullet points cos i don't want them. i From seth at sethbienek.com Thu Jul 26 00:57:12 2001 From: seth at sethbienek.com (Seth Bienek) Date: Thu Jul 26 00:57:12 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tips Database In-Reply-To: <001b01c1156e$90942ba0$2f01010a@dti2> Message-ID: <001c01c11597$a32b6660$2f01010a@dti2> Well, they're there: all 42,605 of them since 4/9/99 http://lists.evolt.org/index.cfm/a/listarchive Now to make the most of them. If anyone has any feature ideas, concerns, questions, fire away. Todo: o Wrap in 'leo' display wrapper o Clean up 'view message' layout & address display issues o Build display templates for list, thread, date and author sort/view o Add to search engine index. o Populate thetips database from mesage body fields (dean ;) Proposed features: o Link to author profiles (cross-ref by email address?) o SSURLS (search engine exposure - yeah, baby.) o Any suggestions? I'm sure I forgot some stuff. I'll be hammering the message templates into shape over the next couple days, then I'll be turning the show over to the CSS wizards.. :) This should come together pretty quickly from here on out! Peace out, Seth "Respect your efforts, respect yourself. Self-respect leads to self-discipline. When you have both firmly under your belt, that's real power." -Clint Eastwood ----------------------------------- Seth Bienek Digitaris Technologies, Inc. tel (972) 690-4131, ext. 103 fax (972) 690-0617 icq 7673959 ----------------------------------- From dsmah at home.com Thu Jul 26 09:37:45 2001 From: dsmah at home.com (Dean Mah) Date: Thu Jul 26 09:37:45 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tips Database In-Reply-To: <001c01c11597$a32b6660$2f01010a@dti2> from "Seth Bienek" at Jul 26, 2001 12:55:56 AM Message-ID: <200107261439.IAA07696@alice.monkeyland.ca> Seth Bienek writes: > Well, they're there: all 42,605 of them since 4/9/99 > > http://lists.evolt.org/index.cfm/a/listarchive > > Now to make the most of them. If anyone has any feature ideas, > concerns, questions, fire away. Nothing but the blank nav bar appears in NN4.77 in Linux. Oh well. Seems to work in Mozilla though. > Todo: > o Populate thetips database from mesage body fields (dean ;) Huh? I thought you had CF code to do this.... Dean From djc at starkmedia.com Thu Jul 26 09:42:10 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Thu Jul 26 09:42:10 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tips Database References: <001c01c11597$a32b6660$2f01010a@dti2> Message-ID: <3B602A81.20206@starkmedia.com> awesome stuff!! thanks a million dean and seth i need to make a couple points though :) Seth Bienek wrote: > Well, they're there: all 42,605 of them since 4/9/99 > Todo: > o Wrap in 'leo' display wrapper > o Clean up 'view message' layout & address display issues > o Build display templates for list, thread, date and author sort/view > o Add to search engine index. > o Populate thetips database from mesage body fields (dean ;) check this out: root at leo:/home/evolt/logs> tail leo.referer.log http://www.google.com/search?q=SQL+Server+error+1056 -> /archive/Week-of-Mon-20010219/150637.html http://lists.evolt.org/archive/Week-of-Mon-20010219/150637.html -> /archive/Week-of-Mon-20010219/150640.html http://www.google.com/search?q=memo,access,asp,for&hl=en&safe=off&start=10&sa=N -> /archive/Week-of-Mon-20001120/145399.html http://lists.evolt.org/archive/Week-of-Mon-20010219/150640.html -> /archive/Week-of-Mon-20010219/150638.html http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&q=Upgrade+IE4+to+IE5 -> /archive/Week-of-Mon-20001113/154711.html http://www.google.com/search?q=javascript+colour+picker&hl=en&safe=off&start=20&sa=N -> /archive/Week-of-Mon-20000918/003833.html http://www.google.com/search?q=Mac+IE5+bug -> /archive/Week-of-Mon-20010305/151974.html http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=%22i18n+javascript%22 -> /thesitearchive/2001-March/001064.html http://www.google.com/search?q=alisa+aydin -> /archive/Week-of-Mon-20010115/subject.html http://lists.evolt.org/archive/Week-of-Mon-20010115/subject.html -> /archive/Week-of-Mon-20010115/148465.html if you can follow that, its the referer log from lists.evolt.org just now. 7 google referers are there in the 30 second time span that represents..(we got over 100K referers from google last month FWIW) it would be ideal if we could wrap these new archives in a similar URL scheme.. i just don't want people to stop coming to the list archives because we change stuff around.. probably the best way to do this is to implement the new archives and at the same time, turn the archives from MG off(any new archives from MG that is) . we'd need to leave the current archives at http://lists.evolt.org/archive/* and perhaps put the new ones in at http://lists.evolt.org/thelistarchive/* or something. anyways, i'll have to think about this a bit more to see what the best situation is.. > Proposed features: > o Link to author profiles (cross-ref by email address?) > o SSURLS (search engine exposure - yeah, baby.) > o Any suggestions? if you guys are good with this, i'd like to import it into the new live database .. it would be nice to have the 'last 5 threads from thelist' back on the front page sidebar(it was there for a brief time last winter) it would also be nice to have the new archives grep for the evolt.org cookie, and if you're logged in, a 'reply to this message' box would pop up so people could respond to posts on thelist from a web browser(this would be nice for those of us that are on the road from time to time)..although maybe you could only reply to threads from the last 7 days or something.. just some ideas :) more discussion soon i'm sure .djc. From djc at starkmedia.com Thu Jul 26 10:11:34 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Thu Jul 26 10:11:34 2001 Subject: [thesite] weo CF error on edit comment References: <063225209211971PCOW028M@blueyonder.co.uk> <3B5F37F7.6080908@starkmedia.com> <3B5F3942.3070108@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <3B603165.2080203@starkmedia.com> fyi, this is fixed now on t.e.o and w.e.o Daniel J. Cody wrote: > er, ok. thats a mistake :) > > i'll fix it my own mistake :) > > Daniel J. Cody wrote: > >> fixed.. changed to session.user.id >> >> Martin Burns wrote: >> >> >>> Val(session.user.id) AND Val(session.user.id) NEQ >>> Val(getarticle.userid) From seth at sethbienek.com Thu Jul 26 10:19:06 2001 From: seth at sethbienek.com (Seth Bienek) Date: Thu Jul 26 10:19:06 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tips Database In-Reply-To: <200107261439.IAA07696@alice.monkeyland.ca> Message-ID: <000201c115e6$2ca66bd0$2f01010a@dti2> > Nothing but the blank nav bar appears in NN4.77 in Linux. Oh well. > Seems to work in Mozilla though. Yeah, just now tinkering with it.. Probably not cross-browser yet.. > > o Populate thetips database from mesage body fields (dean ;) > > > Huh? I thought you had CF code to do this.... I have CF code that CAN do it. It just runs verrry verry slowly. Perl is the best tool for the job, but if we can't use perl then the CF will have to do. Seth "Respect your efforts, respect yourself. Self-respect leads to self-discipline. When you have both firmly under your belt, that's real power." -Clint Eastwood ----------------------------------- Seth Bienek Digitaris Technologies, Inc. tel (972) 690-4131, ext. 103 fax (972) 690-0617 icq 7673959 ----------------------------------- From bheerssen at visualbridge.tv Thu Jul 26 10:23:17 2001 From: bheerssen at visualbridge.tv (Bruce Heerssen) Date: Thu Jul 26 10:23:17 2001 Subject: [thesite] map - the FSFE way References: <038134316201971PCOW028M@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <3B603685.9080202@visualbridge.tv> Martin wrote: >Warden, Matt wrote on 25/7/01 7:32 pm > >>>Anyone figure out a way to find lats and lons for other countries based >>>upon postal address (or code)? >>> > >Arg. Geocoding. It's not fun. The likes of http://www.mapinfo.com/ >and other GIS suppliers make a very, very large amount of money off >it. > I suspected that would be hard to pull off. Shame for us (good for them). Oh well. > >Here's a thought - could the zoom be provided by someone like >http://www.multimap.com or mapquest? > Yes I suppose it could. Members could provide their own url to whichever mapping site covers their area. That would have the added benifit of being self maintainable - by the members that is. The one caveat is that we would have to occassionally check for the validity of the link. An easily automated process. > >Here's me: >http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?pc=eh111qj > Cool Martin. That is more detail that I would choose to give because of my family, but the advantage to the method above is that I could provide whatever level of detail I wanted. BTW - are there really that many train tracks in your neighborhood? From bheerssen at visualbridge.tv Thu Jul 26 10:29:59 2001 From: bheerssen at visualbridge.tv (Bruce Heerssen) Date: Thu Jul 26 10:29:59 2001 Subject: [thesite] map - the FSFE way References: Message-ID: <3B603818.3070403@visualbridge.tv> Warden, Matt wrote: >>I agree in principle, but I think it would be best left for later. That >>adds a whole other level of complexity. But a flyout info chart with the >>members' info wouldn't be too hard. >> > > >I hadn't realized I didn't finish that sentence. What I meant to say was > >"If we're not doing (the zoom) now, it would be good to set it up to >provide the member id should we decide to do that in the future." > +1 - But read Martins post. I think I like his idea better. I don't really want this to be a huge undertaking. > >And not so much info, but hovering or zooming in would use the member ids >to get the member name so that it's just not a bunch of dots. Like, when >you check the "labels" checkbox on dean's map. > That's good - very clean. And following up on Martin's idea, we could provide a link to an outside map if the member has chosen to provide one. > >Yeah. I'm inclined to mention member pages here... > I'm not sure I follow you. Do you mean having a link to the member pages on the fly-out label? That would be cool. Cheers -Bruce From seth at sethbienek.com Thu Jul 26 10:40:48 2001 From: seth at sethbienek.com (Seth Bienek) Date: Thu Jul 26 10:40:48 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tips Database In-Reply-To: <3B602A81.20206@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <000301c115e9$1bb49fb0$2f01010a@dti2> > it would be ideal if we could wrap these new archives in a similar URL > scheme.. i just don't want people to stop coming to the list archives > because we change stuff around.. I can go one better. What I would like to do is implement the SSURL scheme like the articles (having the subject line in the URL), while being able to accommodate the old-style URLs as well (without having to do a redirect). This should keep any links from breaking and will also yield higher rankings for spidered messages. I'll try to follow the layout and content of the current format as much as possible as well (remember that what's currently there is only temporary - just a throw-together). I will need to get with you guys on the URL scheme on weo, though, as it seems to be different from that implemented on leo so far. I can re-create it, but why reinvent the wheel? PLus it's good to maintain the consistency between sites.. > > probably the best way to do this is to implement the new archives and at > the same time, turn the archives from MG off(any new archives from MG > that is) . we'd need to leave the current archives at > http://lists.evolt.org/archive/* and perhaps put the new ones in at > http://lists.evolt.org/thelistarchive/* or something. '/thelistarchive' is just a temporary working directory (the page you saw was actually working off the fusebox switch in the index). We can move it anywhere once we have things the way we want them. I think that getting the layout together isn't goint to be a big problem. Right now my main concern is performance. With all the html tables (and probably partially due to my kludgy SQL), the 'week of' page takes a good while to load right now. I'll be putting the HTML on a diet over the next coupla days and will get one of our gurus to fix the SQL. Is it possible to remotely turn CF debugging on/off? > if you guys are good with this, i'd like to import it into the new live > database .. sweeeeeet... > it would be nice to have the 'last 5 threads from thelist' back on the > front page sidebar(it was there for a brief time last winter) +1. cake.. We'll do it as soon as the db is moved over. Wait.. If the mbox is only dumped into the db once a week then we have a problem. Is it feasible to do the dump hourly? Or even better, every (x) minutes? > it would also be nice to have the new archives grep for the evolt.org > cookie, and if you're logged in, a 'reply to this message' box would pop > up so people could respond to posts on thelist from a web browser(this > would be nice for those of us that are on the road from time to > time)..although maybe you could only reply to threads from the last 7 > days or something.. That's a great idea! We can polish it up here on [thesite] once the archives are in place.. Hope I answered some of your concerns. Lemme know if you're still hanging on anything. Peace out, Seth "Respect your efforts, respect yourself. Self-respect leads to self-discipline. When you have both firmly under your belt, that's real power." -Clint Eastwood ----------------------------------- Seth Bienek Digitaris Technologies, Inc. tel (972) 690-4131, ext. 103 fax (972) 690-0617 icq 7673959 ----------------------------------- From mwarden at mattwarden.com Thu Jul 26 10:53:01 2001 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Thu Jul 26 10:53:01 2001 Subject: [thesite] map - the FSFE way In-Reply-To: <3B603818.3070403@visualbridge.tv> Message-ID: >>Yeah. I'm inclined to mention member pages here... >> >I'm not sure I follow you. Do you mean having a link to the member pages >on the fly-out label? That would be cool. Member pages would be the place to collect data like coords. Thanks, -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From bheerssen at visualbridge.tv Thu Jul 26 12:04:21 2001 From: bheerssen at visualbridge.tv (Bruce Heerssen) Date: Thu Jul 26 12:04:21 2001 Subject: [thesite] map - the FSFE way References: Message-ID: <3B604E36.2020004@visualbridge.tv> Warden, Matt wrote: >>>Yeah. I'm inclined to mention member pages here... >>> >>I'm not sure I follow you. Do you mean having a link to the member pages >>on the fly-out label? That would be cool. >> > >Member pages would be the place to collect data like coords. > Oh yeah. That's right. -Bruce From djc at starkmedia.com Thu Jul 26 14:01:27 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Thu Jul 26 14:01:27 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tips Database References: <000301c115e9$1bb49fb0$2f01010a@dti2> Message-ID: <3B606746.7090106@starkmedia.com> Seth Bienek wrote: > I can go one better. What I would like to do is implement the SSURL scheme like the articles (having the subject line in the URL), while being able to accommodate the old-style URLs as well (without having to do a redirect). This should keep any links from breaking and will also yield higher rankings for spidered messages. I'll try to follow the layout and content of the current format as much as possible as well (remember that what's currently there is only temporary - just a throw-together). how do you plan on matching http://lists.evolt.org/archive/Week-of-Mon-20010716/162518.html with http://lists.evolt.org/index.cfm/a/message/detail/42481.htm > I will need to get with you guys on the URL scheme on weo, though, as it seems to be different from that implemented on leo so far. I can re-create it, but why reinvent the wheel? PLus it's good to maintain the consistency between sites.. you should be able to login in as the evolttest user seth and check out how it works there.. > '/thelistarchive' is just a temporary working directory (the page you saw was actually working off the fusebox switch in the index). We can move it anywhere once we have things the way we want them. I think that getting the layout together isn't goint to be a big problem. Right now my main concern is performance. With all the html tables (and probably partially due to my kludgy SQL), the 'week of' page takes a good while to load right now. I'll be putting the HTML on a diet over the next coupla days and will get one of our gurus to fix the SQL. Is it possible to remotely turn CF debugging on/off? perfromance will also get a big bump when we move it into the new database server > +1. cake.. We'll do it as soon as the db is moved over. Wait.. If the mbox is only dumped into the db once a week then we have a problem. Is it feasible to do the dump hourly? Or even better, every (x) minutes? good call. umm. i dunno about the frequency.. it creates a new dump file every time it runs, and while weekly wouldn't be bad, having the perl script create a new dump file every 30 minutes might get to be a bit out of hand.. we'll see i guess :) .djc. From seth at sethbienek.com Thu Jul 26 15:01:10 2001 From: seth at sethbienek.com (Seth Bienek) Date: Thu Jul 26 15:01:10 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tips Database In-Reply-To: <3B606746.7090106@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <000501c1160d$8f950ae0$2f01010a@dti2> > how do you plan on matching > http://lists.evolt.org/archive/Week-of-Mon-20010716/162518.html > > with > > http://lists.evolt.org/index.cfm/a/message/detail/42481.htm Well F me in the goat A.. I guess I didn't think that one through.. Where are the html filenames coming from? What algorythm is used to assign them? How many HTML files are there total? Where the hell are they? I don't see the 'Week Of' folders on the FTP site. They seem to both be incrementing id's, check it out: http://lists.evolt.org/archive/Week-of-Mon-20010716/162518.html http://lists.evolt.org/index.cfm/a/message/detail/42481.htm http://lists.evolt.org/archive/Week-of-Mon-20010716/162519.html http://lists.evolt.org/index.cfm/a/message/detail/42482.htm http://lists.evolt.org/archive/Week-of-Mon-20010716/162520.html http://lists.evolt.org/index.cfm/a/message/detail/42483.htm http://lists.evolt.org/archive/Week-of-Mon-20010716/162521.html http://lists.evolt.org/index.cfm/a/message/detail/42484.htm Or check this: http://lists.evolt.org/archive/Week-of-Mon-20000710/thread.html http://lists.evolt.org/index.cfm/a/listarchive/week/20000710.htm Where are those 'week-of' folders? I'm thinking there's a way.. If I can figure out the starting message number for each week for the static site, and match that to the starting number for each week for the dynamic site, maybe? We're reasonably intelligent people, we can figure it out... ;) Seth "Our observation of nature must be diligent, our reflection profound, and our experiments exact. We rarely see these three means combined; and for this reason, creative geniuses are not common." -Denis Diderot (1713-1784) ----------------------------------- Seth Bienek Digitaris Technologies, Inc. tel (972) 690-4131, ext. 103 fax (972) 690-0617 icq 7673959 ----------------------------------- From djc at starkmedia.com Thu Jul 26 15:12:08 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Thu Jul 26 15:12:08 2001 Subject: [thesite] thelist table.. Message-ID: <3B6077D8.7000304@starkmedia.com> hey, i'm moving it into the live DB server, then i'll dump that down and import the entire new DB into the test DB to update that if that makes any sense :) for future reference, insert any new stuff you guys are doing into the live DB(use the evolt datasource for CF seth) lemme know if there are any questions.. (55Mb dump file! shit!) .djc. From djc at starkmedia.com Thu Jul 26 15:41:18 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Thu Jul 26 15:41:18 2001 Subject: [thesite] testing sequences.. Message-ID: <3B607EAD.5050907@starkmedia.com> delete From djc at starkmedia.com Thu Jul 26 15:44:52 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Thu Jul 26 15:44:52 2001 Subject: [thesite] testing sequences.. References: <3B607EAD.5050907@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <3B607F83.9090103@starkmedia.com> Daniel J. Cody wrote: > delete > > > _______________________________________________ > For unsubscribe, archive, and options, go to: > http://lists.evolt.org/mailman/listinfo/thesite From djc at starkmedia.com Thu Jul 26 15:48:39 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Thu Jul 26 15:48:39 2001 Subject: [thesite] testing sequences.. References: <3B607EAD.5050907@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <3B608066.3050401@starkmedia.com> Daniel J. Cody wrote: > delete > > > _______________________________________________ > For unsubscribe, archive, and options, go to: > http://lists.evolt.org/mailman/listinfo/thesite From djc at starkmedia.com Thu Jul 26 15:50:28 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Thu Jul 26 15:50:28 2001 Subject: [thesite] testing sequences..(sorry, only 2 more) References: <3B607EAD.5050907@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <3B6080D3.30202@starkmedia.com> Daniel J. Cody wrote: > delete > > > _______________________________________________ > For unsubscribe, archive, and options, go to: > http://lists.evolt.org/mailman/listinfo/thesite From djc at starkmedia.com Thu Jul 26 15:51:55 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Thu Jul 26 15:51:55 2001 Subject: [thesite] testing sequences..(sorry, only 1 more) References: <3B607EAD.5050907@starkmedia.com> <3B6080D3.30202@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <3B60812A.3080408@starkmedia.com> Daniel J. Cody wrote: > > > Daniel J. Cody wrote: > >> delete >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> For unsubscribe, archive, and options, go to: >> http://lists.evolt.org/mailman/listinfo/thesite > > > > > _______________________________________________ > For unsubscribe, archive, and options, go to: > http://lists.evolt.org/mailman/listinfo/thesite From djc at starkmedia.com Thu Jul 26 15:52:22 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Thu Jul 26 15:52:22 2001 Subject: [thesite] new test(last one, delete) Message-ID: <3B608145.3090009@starkmedia.com> From djc at starkmedia.com Thu Jul 26 15:55:59 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Thu Jul 26 15:55:59 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tips Database(another test, delete) References: <000301c115e9$1bb49fb0$2f01010a@dti2> Message-ID: <3B60821E.5090509@starkmedia.com> = From djc at starkmedia.com Thu Jul 26 16:01:13 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Thu Jul 26 16:01:13 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tips Database References: <000501c1160d$8f950ae0$2f01010a@dti2> Message-ID: <3B608358.1070103@starkmedia.com> bad news homey.. Seth Bienek wrote: >>how do you plan on matching >>http://lists.evolt.org/archive/Week-of-Mon-20010716/162518.html >> >>with >> >>http://lists.evolt.org/index.cfm/a/message/detail/42481.htm >> > > Well F me in the goat A.. I guess I didn't think that one through.. Where are the > html filenames coming from? What algorythm is used to assign them? ok, after extensive(and annoying I'm sure, apologies) testing, we're totally fucked in the goat ass. :) I got the sequence for MG to match what we were outputing(thlist.sequence+120037), but that only addresses future postings, not past ones. and even if we could get them to match, the sequences in MG are based on reply-to's not the order which they come in at.(so there goes bumping our seqeunce up by 120037) > How many HTML files are there total? Where the hell are they? I don't see the > 'Week Of' folders on the FTP site. there are a couple hundred thousand total.. they're stored in a seperate directory on leo > I'm thinking there's a way.. If I can figure out the starting message number for > each week for the static site, and match that to the starting number for each week for the dynamic site, maybe? > > We're reasonably intelligent people, we can figure it out... ;) we'll figure something out i guess maybe a mod_rewrite thing.. dunno, we'll think of something though :) .djc. From seth at sethbienek.com Thu Jul 26 16:24:41 2001 From: seth at sethbienek.com (Seth Bienek) Date: Thu Jul 26 16:24:41 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tips Database In-Reply-To: <3B608358.1070103@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <000601c11619$46c71450$2f01010a@dti2> > bad news homey.. Don't say it!!! > ok, after extensive(and annoying I'm sure, apologies) testing, we're > totally fucked in the goat ass. :) You said it. > there are a couple hundred thousand total.. they're stored in a seperate > directory on leo A couple hundred thousand html files for <>50000 messages? Why so much overhead? ..And to top it all off, I'm peeling. Dammit. I'll work on this some more tomorrow. llame voy para ahora.. Seth "Our observation of nature must be diligent, our reflection profound, and our experiments exact. We rarely see these three means combined; and for this reason, creative geniuses are not common." -Denis Diderot (1713-1784) ----------------------------------- Seth Bienek Digitaris Technologies, Inc. tel (972) 690-4131, ext. 103 fax (972) 690-0617 icq 7673959 ----------------------------------- From martin at members.evolt.org Fri Jul 27 15:48:42 2001 From: martin at members.evolt.org (Martin) Date: Fri Jul 27 15:48:42 2001 Subject: [thesite] weo CF error on edit comment Message-ID: <0f33e5049201b71PCOW034M@blueyonder.co.uk> Daniel J. Cody wrote on 26/7/01 4:04 pm >fyi, this is fixed now on t.e.o and w.e.o Cool, thanks! Happy sysadmins' day! Cheers Martin _______________________________________________ email: martin at easyweb.co.uk PGP ID: 0xA835CCCB martin at members.evolt.org snailmail: 30 Shandon Place tel: +44 (0)774 063 9985 Edinburgh, url: http://www.easyweb.co.uk Scotland From martin at members.evolt.org Fri Jul 27 15:57:10 2001 From: martin at members.evolt.org (Martin) Date: Fri Jul 27 15:57:10 2001 Subject: [thesite] map - the FSFE way Message-ID: <08e0e1858201b71PCOW025M@blueyonder.co.uk> Bruce Heerssen wrote on 26/7/01 4:25 pm >>http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?pc=eh111qj >> > >Cool Martin. That is more detail that I would choose to give because of >my family, It's a bit less detailed than you'd think because the housing pattern here isn't single houses with gardens - it's centred on my postcode's centroid, not on my house. >but the advantage to the method above is that I could provide >whatever level of detail I wanted. The way UK postcodes work is that the more of the postcode you give, the more accurate it is. So if you look at EH, it's a largish area of SE Scotland. EH11 is about a mile by half a mile. EH11 1 is a few hundred yards in each direction. EH11 1QJ is about 3 houses. > >BTW - are there really that many train tracks in your neighborhood? There's only 1 which is at all significant or noticeable, and even that's well hidden. It's actually a pretty nice area: http://www.upmystreet.com/details/?location1=eh11+1QJ&pg=Msc Cheers Martin _______________________________________________ email: martin at easyweb.co.uk PGP ID: 0xA835CCCB martin at members.evolt.org snailmail: 30 Shandon Place tel: +44 (0)774 063 9985 Edinburgh, url: http://www.easyweb.co.uk Scotland From dsmah at home.com Sat Jul 28 23:45:21 2001 From: dsmah at home.com (Dean Mah) Date: Sat Jul 28 23:45:21 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tips Database Message-ID: <200107290447.WAA07870@alice.monkeyland.ca> The tips have been inserted into THETIPS table in the production database. Dean From r937 at interlog.com Sun Jul 29 08:33:49 2001 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Sun Jul 29 08:33:49 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tips Database Message-ID: <01c11833$44598240$964a149a@rudy> > The tips have been inserted into THETIPS table > in the production database. dean, you da man thanks i wonder where we go with it next did anybody suggest a search? any ideas on how to do that? rudy From mwarden at mattwarden.com Sun Jul 29 14:00:50 2001 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Sun Jul 29 14:00:50 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tips Database In-Reply-To: <01c11833$44598240$964a149a@rudy> Message-ID: On Jul 29, rudy had something to say about Re: [thesite] Tips Database >> The tips have been inserted into THETIPS table >> in the production database. > >dean, you da man > >thanks > > >i wonder where we go with it next > >did anybody suggest a search? any ideas on how to do that? Sign up for thetips list, I guess. http://lists.evolt.org/mailman/listinfo/thetips In the meantime: http://members.evolt.org/martin/thetips/reqs.html (note that these are pretty old and haven't been touched in a long time... but it should give you an idea of what martin and thetips have been doing back when dinosaurs roamed the earth). yeah. -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From seth at sethbienek.com Sun Jul 29 17:10:19 2001 From: seth at sethbienek.com (Seth Bienek) Date: Sun Jul 29 17:10:19 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tips Database In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000a01c1187b$1af914e0$2f01010a@dti2> > http://members.evolt.org/martin/thetips/reqs.html > > (note that these are pretty old and haven't been touched in a long > time... but it should give you an idea of what martin and thetips have > been doing back when dinosaurs roamed the earth). We're on the right track for all of these requirements except #'s 4 and 5, which would pretty much require working the tips into the content database. Just a comment. :) Seth PS: Dean Rulezzzzz.. "The Lord loves a hangin', that's why he gave us necks." -Unknown ----------------------------------- Seth Bienek Digitaris Technologies, Inc. tel (972) 690-4131, ext. 103 fax (972) 690-0617 icq 7673959 ----------------------------------- From djc at starkmedia.com Mon Jul 30 11:05:22 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Mon Jul 30 11:05:22 2001 Subject: [thesite] Re: [Admin] Mail Alert! - Mon Jul 30 53714197 References: <200107300940.f6U9eqx30913@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3B6585B0.2090800@starkmedia.com> anyone know french and can translate?(i assume he's refereing to Benjamin Deboute from thelist?) evolt.org info wrote: > > There is a mail message on the evolt site- > From: id_m > Date: 30-Jul-01 > Time: 04:42 AM CST > > UA: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows NT; DigExt) > IP: 213.44.32.238 > From: http://lists.evolt.org/index.cfm/a/harvest/b/show/c/Week-of-Mon-19991227.html > > Message: > > Vaisso Shoota Babylone botanik recherche BENJAMIN D pour mise en orbite, > Si toujours Ok > > Site au stade - 10 jours, demande autorisation de d?collage ( ftp perdu ) et utilisation de certaine donn?es concernant la cr?ature cybernetique > ? hercule ? , > merci mille fois faire passer le message c'est tr?s urgent .; ) id_m > > Would someone please answer it? Thank you sexily. > (please make sure to cc: admin when you answer) > From garrett at polytechnic.co.uk Mon Jul 30 11:34:28 2001 From: garrett at polytechnic.co.uk (Garrett Coakley) Date: Mon Jul 30 11:34:28 2001 Subject: [thesite] Odd problem with feo Message-ID: <20010730171530.7b350c70.garrett@polytechnic.co.uk> Hey all, I've got an odd problem happening with http://members.evolt.org/garrett/feo3.html. There's a weird space appearing just underneath the "Search Food.evolt.org" where the page background shows through. But, and this is the odd bit, it's only happening in Moz0.92 when the page is on meo. It's fine if I look at it on my local apache install. I've put up some screenshots so you can see what I'm wittering on about. Working fine on my local network with Moz0.92/Linux and Win98/IE5 (under VMware): http://members.evolt.org/garrett/notborked.jpg http://members.evolt.org/garrett/notborked2.jpg Load the page onto meo, and this happens: http://members.evolt.org/garrett/borked.jpg Very odd. G. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- WORK: http://spiked.co.uk/ PLAY: http://polytechnic.co.uk/ From seth at sethbienek.com Mon Jul 30 14:49:53 2001 From: seth at sethbienek.com (Seth Bienek) Date: Mon Jul 30 14:49:53 2001 Subject: [thesite] Re: [Admin] Mail Alert! - Mon Jul 30 53714197 In-Reply-To: <3B6585B0.2090800@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <001001c11930$b4326250$2f01010a@dti2> > anyone know french and can translate? The BabelFish says: > Vaisso Shoota Babylon botanik search BENJAMIN D for placing in orbit, > So always Ok > > Site at the stage - 10 days, asks for authorization of takeoff (lost ftp) and use of unquestionable data concerning the cybernetic creature > " Hercules ", > thank you thousand times to transmit the message it is very urgent; id_m > Uh, I know that's not much help, BUT, fortunately I have been Babelfish alot lately, so I can translate from Babelfish to English: > Vaisso Shoota Babylon botanik search BENJAMIN D for placing in orbit, The company I work for, "Shoot you to Babylon", would like to place your member Benjamin D into orbit > So always Ok As long as it's OK with you. > > Site at the stage - 10 days, asks for authorization of takeoff (lost ftp) and use of unquestionable data concerning the cybernetic creature We will give him 10 days to pack his belongings and check-in for departure (not responsible for lost luggage) and meet us at the launch pad (stage). It would be a big help if he told us everything he knows about the cybernetic creature named > " Hercules ", "Hercules". > thank you thousand times to transmit the message it is very urgent; id_m Thank you very much, please let him know right away because it's urgent and his telephone has apparrently been disconnected. (Signed: Agent 'M') > Hope this helps, Seth "The Lord loves a hangin', that's why he gave us necks." -Unknown ----------------------------------- Seth Bienek Digitaris Technologies, Inc. tel (972) 690-4131, ext. 103 fax (972) 690-0617 icq 7673959 ----------------------------------- From john at userfrenzy.com Tue Jul 31 09:43:34 2001 From: john at userfrenzy.com (John Handelaar) Date: Tue Jul 31 09:43:34 2001 Subject: [thesite] Re: [Admin] Mail Alert! - Mon Jul 30 53714197 In-Reply-To: <3B6585B0.2090800@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org > [mailto:thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Daniel J. Cody > Sent: 30 July 2001 17:05 > To: thesite at lists.evolt.org > Subject: [thesite] Re: [Admin] Mail Alert! - Mon Jul 30 53714197 > > > anyone know french and can translate?(i assume he's refereing to > Benjamin Deboute from thelist?) > > Vaisso Shoota Babylone botanik recherche BENJAMIN D Crap crap crap Botanik (this guy's address) is looking for Benjamin D > pour mise en orbite, Literally that does pretty much mean what it looks like :-) But in this context probably '[in order] to launch' > Si toujours Ok If still OK > Site au stade - 10 jours, Site is at minus 10 days [This is note form French - I suck at this. Can't tell if the site's been done for 10 days or will be finished in 10 days] > demande autorisation de d?collage ( ftp perdu ) etc etc Lost the ftp password and looking to go live/get signoff. Like I said, if there's no grammar in the words my French ain't up to much. > merci Thankyou > mille fois Shitloads :-) > faire passer le message c'est tr?s urgent .; ) id_m for passing this on, it's very urgent. [See, he started talking in sentences again and I can read that]. Yeah, prolly best send it to Benjamin. ------------------------------------------ John Handelaar T +44 20 7209 4117 M +44 7930 681789 F +44 870 169 7657 E john at userfrenzy.com ------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ For unsubscribe, archive, and options, go to: http://lists.evolt.org/mailman/listinfo/thesite From mwarden at mattwarden.com Tue Jul 31 10:05:33 2001 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Tue Jul 31 10:05:33 2001 Subject: [thesite] Odd problem with feo (fwd) Message-ID: Just in case you guys didn't see this. Also, we need to do something about the background of the content vs. the background of the sidebar. The article page looks like one big white void. See: http://food.evolt.org/article/Spicy_Pork/10295/10432/index.html Not to be pushy or anything, but I need to get feo completed in the very near future for various reasons. Thanks, -- mattwarden mattwarden.com ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Garrett Coakley To: thesite at lists.evolt.org Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 17:15:30 +0000 Subject: [thesite] Odd problem with feo Reply-To: thesite at lists.evolt.org X-evolt: D3S1GN3RZ R00L! X-evolt-quote: I do not want to achieve immortality through my work. I want achieve it through evolt.org. - Woody Allen Hey all, I've got an odd problem happening with http://members.evolt.org/garrett/feo3.html. There's a weird space appearing just underneath the "Search Food.evolt.org" where the page background shows through. But, and this is the odd bit, it's only happening in Moz0.92 when the page is on meo. It's fine if I look at it on my local apache install. I've put up some screenshots so you can see what I'm wittering on about. Working fine on my local network with Moz0.92/Linux and Win98/IE5 (under VMware): http://members.evolt.org/garrett/notborked.jpg http://members.evolt.org/garrett/notborked2.jpg Load the page onto meo, and this happens: http://members.evolt.org/garrett/borked.jpg Very odd. G. From isaac at members.evolt.org Tue Jul 31 18:17:56 2001 From: isaac at members.evolt.org (isaac) Date: Tue Jul 31 18:17:56 2001 Subject: [thesite] Odd problem with feo (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Also, we need to do something about the background of the content vs. the > background of the sidebar. The article page looks like one big white > void. See: > > http://food.evolt.org/article/Spicy_Pork/10295/10432/index.html > > Not to be pushy or anything, but I need to get feo completed in the very > near future for various reasons. space out sidebar. stack alternating sections in content area. ie, title and author in one block. recipe in the next. then rating. then comments. that likely to help? i

tags. I was working on Site Dev. a couple weeks ago... only about 1/2 way through. Found a couple really "bad" articles .. paragraphs and code all mixed up .. oh well. Anyway .. that's what I have .. you may remember more. :) Michele ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warden, Matt" | Everything else has been done, but Michele mentioned that we may have | neglected to go through a few sections of the articles (though I was | thinking for some reason that we had run through them all). From michele at wordpro.on.ca Thu Jul 19 21:52:47 2001 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Thu Jul 19 21:52:47 2001 Subject: [thesite] [a.e.o.] Jobs References: <021a01c10ff9$0d4e6780$17059ad8@mef> <3B56FB35.8060008@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <03e901c110c7$325126c0$17059ad8@mef> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel J. Cody" | due dates are on a per job basis, so ya, enter a new job if you want | differentpeople to have different dates.. or just set the date out far | enough for both people to finish up.. the other way to do it is put | 'notes' in each persons task with a reminder of a due date or something.. I'll enter a new job. :) | | | > (2) The search screen for jobs, can you sort that by job number? It would | > be a lot easier to scan jobs when they are lumped together. | | | i'll make a note of that :) Thanks. | | | > (3) Why do we have a couple of jobs with "-a" assigned to the end of the | > number? In the case of 13, the 13-a job doesn't even relate. | | | yaaaa.. putting a letter on something is like a tangent for a job. it | still 'somewhat' relates to the original job, but its just another | identifier/delimiter ok .. I'll believe ya ... :) All jobs are numbered automatically though right? Or are we to assign them in any "constent" manner? | | | > (4) What category should I put database guru under? (Programming, | > Consulting) And, testing/debugging put that under Production? (going for | > consistency here) | | | ahh, do you just want a new category? sure, let's create two new ones Database Development Testing/Debugging Thanks Dan, Michele From djc at starkmedia.com Sat Jul 21 16:39:01 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Sat Jul 21 16:39:01 2001 Subject: [thesite] new oracle box Message-ID: <3B59F4A9.10106@starkmedia.com> thanks to contributions from matt and dean, i was able to get a new oracle box a couple weeks ago. put it together last night(1.5Ghz AMD, 512Mb DDR RAM, 10K rpm cheetahs) and have it stressing the disks/CPU right now. if everything is cool tomorrow, i'm gonna move the live site over to this new machine but leave the test DB on the stark oracle server, completely seperating our test and live enviornments :) just wanted to give an update and stuff, lemme know if anyone has questions or comments :) .djc. From mccreath at ak.net Sat Jul 21 18:01:04 2001 From: mccreath at ak.net (mccreath) Date: Sat Jul 21 18:01:04 2001 Subject: [thesite] the stylesheet and the btnbt Message-ID: Howdy, everybody -- Since we've got at least two new websites in production that are based on w.e.o., I have a couple of questions and some ideas. For those of you that don't know, I'm working with Dan on getting the current a.e.o. interface into a *.e.o.-style template. ***Stylesheets*** There are a couple of styles that I'd like to add to the stylesheet for a.e.o. One is an alternating-row style for greenbar-style display of data, and there are a few styles that we'll need for the calendar. Should these be added a.e.o.'s version of isaac.css or should they be in a separate a.e.o.-only stylesheet? I feel like the alternating-row style is something that could be used on other evolt sites, so would like to include that in a.e.o.-isaac.css, for eventual inclusion into uber-isaac.css, but the calendar styles (mostly for coloring the days of the week) would be pretty specific to a.e.o., so they could easily go in a separate sheet and never be rolled into uber-isaac.css. Opinions? ***the Blacktabnavbarthingie (btnbt)*** I think we need to start using the pull-down in the blacktabnavbarthingie for a domain-specific menu, rather than having it point to the sections of w.e.o. I believe this is already in the plans for f.e.o., and I would like to do the same thing for a.e.o. This change could eventually propagate out to all the other *.e.o. sites as well. I think it makes much more sense from several standpoints to make this change. When we very first launched the new design, the only other two sites that used it were b.e.o. and l.e.o., and those are so integral to evolt and had little enough internal navigation that it made a certain amount of sense to leave the pull-down pointing to the w.e.o. sections. Now, though, that idea is going to become not only counterintuitive, but confusing and user-unfriendly. Since the links above the btnbt now point to all the different domains, the pull-down becomes the first big navigation tool that people will see, and we should take advantage of it. Opinions? David From roselli at earthlink.net Sat Jul 21 18:22:39 2001 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Sat Jul 21 18:22:39 2001 Subject: [thesite] the stylesheet and the btnbt In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3B59D5B3.3624.28380937@localhost> > From: "mccreath" [...] > ***Stylesheets*** > > There are a couple of styles that I'd like to add to the stylesheet > for a.e.o. One is an alternating-row style for greenbar-style display > of data, and there are a few styles that we'll need for the calendar. > > Should these be added a.e.o.'s version of isaac.css or should they be > in a separate a.e.o.-only stylesheet? added to isaac.css... > I feel like the alternating-row style is something that could be used > on other evolt sites, so would like to include that in > a.e.o.-isaac.css, for eventual inclusion into uber-isaac.css, but the > calendar styles (mostly for coloring the days of the week) would be > pretty specific to a.e.o., so they could easily go in a separate sheet > and never be rolled into uber-isaac.css. just make sure you can call them without mucking up other styles, and add 'em to isaac.css... i'd rather have one master CSS file, especially should we start to share things across sites, like styles and the like... it will also make it easier for the coders if all the sites have the same CSS, hopefully ensuring less confusion... > ***the Blacktabnavbarthingie (btnbt)*** > > I think we need to start using the pull-down in the > blacktabnavbarthingie for a domain-specific menu, rather than having > it point to the sections of w.e.o. I believe this is already in the > plans for f.e.o., and I would like to do the same thing for a.e.o. > This change could eventually propagate out to all the other *.e.o. > sites as well. ok, took me a minute, i see what you mean... so on feo, it might be 'vegetarian, desserts, ...' right? > I think it makes much more sense from several standpoints to make this > change. When we very first launched the new design, the only other two > sites that used it were b.e.o. and l.e.o., and those are so integral > to evolt and had little enough internal navigation that it made a > certain amount of sense to leave the pull-down pointing to the w.e.o. > sections. Now, though, that idea is going to become not only > counterintuitive, but confusing and user-unfriendly. Since the links > above the btnbt now point to all the different domains, the pull-down > becomes the first big navigation tool that people will see, and we > should take advantage of it. +1 going back to sulking... From garrett at polytechnic.co.uk Sun Jul 22 08:59:38 2001 From: garrett at polytechnic.co.uk (Garrett Coakley) Date: Sun Jul 22 08:59:38 2001 Subject: [thesite] the stylesheet and the btnbt In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20010722145851.37d4767c.garrett@polytechnic.co.uk> On Sat, 21 Jul 2001 14:59:04 -0800 "mccreath" wrote: [snip] > Now, though, that idea is going to become not only counterintuitive, > but confusing and user-unfriendly. Since the links above the btnbt > now point to all the different domains, the pull-down becomes the > first big navigation tool that people will see, and we should > take advantage of it. +1 This makes a lot more sense to me, but one question from the new guy. How would this change effect the three buttons on the left hand side? At the minute no matter which domain you're in, they all point to the main evolt site. I'm just wondering if changing the focus of the drop-down to a site based perspective might then lead people to think the three left hand buttons are site based as opposed to network based? Am I making sense? G. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- WORK: http://spiked.co.uk/ PLAY: http://polytechnic.co.uk/ From r937 at interlog.com Sun Jul 22 09:42:42 2001 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Sun Jul 22 09:42:42 2001 Subject: [thesite] the stylesheet and the btnbt Message-ID: <01c112b9$fda84e40$LocalHost@rudy> >Am I making sense? yes From roselli at earthlink.net Sun Jul 22 11:15:19 2001 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Sun Jul 22 11:15:19 2001 Subject: [thesite] the stylesheet and the btnbt In-Reply-To: <20010722145851.37d4767c.garrett@polytechnic.co.uk> References: Message-ID: <3B5AC2F2.32593.2BD6EB37@localhost> > From: Garrett Coakley [...] > This makes a lot more sense to me, but one question from the new guy. > How would this change effect the three buttons on the left hand side? > At the minute no matter which domain you're in, they all point to the > main evolt site. > > I'm just wondering if changing the focus of the drop-down to a site > based perspective might then lead people to think the three left hand > buttons are site based as opposed to network based? that's a good question... my initial reaction is that they point to the domain-specific faq/abbout/contact/whatever pages... otherwise places like feo don't get to talk about what they are... and these can all link back to the weo pages, of course... > Am I making sense? yep... am i? From garrett at polytechnic.co.uk Sun Jul 22 11:41:18 2001 From: garrett at polytechnic.co.uk (Garrett Coakley) Date: Sun Jul 22 11:41:18 2001 Subject: [thesite] the stylesheet and the btnbt In-Reply-To: <3B5AC2F2.32593.2BD6EB37@localhost> References: <3B5AC2F2.32593.2BD6EB37@localhost> Message-ID: <20010722174141.743417a3.garrett@polytechnic.co.uk> On Sun, 22 Jul 2001 12:11:30 -0400 "aardvark" wrote: > that's a good question... my initial reaction is that they point to the > domain-specific faq/abbout/contact/whatever pages... otherwise > places like feo don't get to talk about what they are... and these > can all link back to the weo pages, of course... Yeah, that's what I was getting at. How I would /expect/ it to work if the drop-down had a site based focus. That would lead me to believe that the whole of the black navigation area had this focus. With the logo going to http://evolt.org itself. > yep... am i? Crystal clear. Although we could be deluding each other... perspective can be such a tricky issue. *:) G. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- WORK: http://spiked.co.uk/ PLAY: http://polytechnic.co.uk/ From mccreath at ak.net Sun Jul 22 11:49:29 2001 From: mccreath at ak.net (mccreath) Date: Sun Jul 22 11:49:29 2001 Subject: [thesite] the stylesheet and the btnbt In-Reply-To: <3B5AC2F2.32593.2BD6EB37@localhost> Message-ID: > > From: Garrett Coakley > [...] > > This makes a lot more sense to me, but one question from the new guy. > > How would this change effect the three buttons on the left hand side? [...] > From: aardvark > that's a good question... my initial reaction is that they point to the > domain-specific faq/abbout/contact/whatever pages... otherwise > places like feo don't get to talk about what they are... and these > can all link back to the weo pages, of course... That is a good question, Garrett. And I like your idea, aard, but the shape and content of the contact and FAQ pages will likely change from site to site. For example, on aeo there isn't really a need for a FAQ, but we will have user/help docs. (Michelle is working on them.) Would it make sense to use the "?" button for the help docs? Or would it be better to have a different button? Yet another consideration is the actual tab with the logo in it. Should that link to the local site home or weo? My gut tells me that we could use the tab as a link to weo as long as we have the home button below pointing at the local site home. I think it visually makes sense, although it might be a little confusing for people at first, given the quasi-standard of "logo:upper lefthand corner = link:home". But if we look at it as a link to the evolt "network" home, then it makes sense. (But only if we assume that weo is the "network" home. Which I do.) Okay, so where I am with this is : btnbt is to be localized for the various *eo sites along these lines: 1) The drop down will be adapted for whatever sections the local site contains 2) The three buttons below the tab/logo will be localized 3) The tab/logo will always refer to www.evolt.org Sound good to everyone? > > Am I making sense? > > yep... am i? Can I get a witness? UHN! David From michele at wordpro.on.ca Sun Jul 22 13:00:45 2001 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Sun Jul 22 13:00:45 2001 Subject: [thesite] the stylesheet and the btnbt References: Message-ID: <000c01c112d8$56730920$2b129ad8@mef> Folks, ----- Original Message ----- From: "mccreath" | That is a good question, Garrett. And I like your idea, aard, but the shape | and content of the contact and FAQ pages will likely change from site to | site. For example, on aeo there isn't really a need for a FAQ, but we will | have user/help docs. (Michelle is working on them.) Would it make sense to | use the "?" button for the help docs? Or would it be better to have a | different button? While I agree with this .. what about the other sites? We need to consider what the user expects each button leads too. What do we do with meo, leo, beo and deo? We could, in fact, change all of them. Then the user's expectations will be the same across all of the sites. Or are you proposing we only change things for feo and aeo? aeo isn't really an issue since its intended audience is not the general public, and I don't think it will be linked from the main navigation at all. I think we should consider the impact across all sites before we agree to this. Consistency is important. So, let's assess what we have already .. these are only suggestions: weo - remains the same leo - Change drop down to be the lists (thelist, thechat, thesite, maybe admin only lists). - Each of the above would lead to the respective pages detailing each list. - Main page would need to change to just highlight the lists and to discuss the tip harvester. (atm, the tip harvester is not given enough importance, imho) - FAQ - would need to create (what's the digest, what's the dif between mime and text, how do I unsubscribe or change my address, etc.). - Home - leads back to main leo page. - Contact - Admin. beo - The most difficult one to change. No drop down required. - Home, back to the main beo page. - FAQ, include statement that's on the top already. - Contact (Admin, Adrian?) meo - Again, no idea about the drop down, unless we want to highlight members' accounts sometime. - FAQ - already exists. - Home - main page meo. - Contact (djc, Admin) deo - Drop down, use top-level nav as indicated on the front page. - FAQ - exists. - Home - would probably need to be modified. - Contact (Simon, Admin) feo - Drop down food categories. - FAQ - no clue.. Matt? - Home - main feo page. - Contact (Admin, Matt) aeo - Drop down, different options as presented first level nav. - FAQ - Documentation that I'm writing. - Home - Calendar or log in? (regardless, should also be in drop down). - Contact (Admin, djc) The more sites we add, the more chance of people not knowing they exist. The top navigation that we have now (Join, Browsers, Lists, Tips, Members, Directory), I think is not obvious enough. Any suggestions? Links on the black nav bar, Evolt Sites: yadda yadda? Close your eyes, hit evolt.org for the first, what do you see or don't see. What can be improved? What does the user expect? Anyway, some things to think about. Michele From mccreath at ak.net Sun Jul 22 15:27:05 2001 From: mccreath at ak.net (mccreath) Date: Sun Jul 22 15:27:05 2001 Subject: [thesite] the stylesheet and the btnbt In-Reply-To: <000c01c112d8$56730920$2b129ad8@mef> Message-ID: > From: Michele Foster > > what about the other sites? We need to consider > what the user expects each button leads too. What do we do with meo, leo, > beo and deo? We could, in fact, change all of them. Then the user's > expectations will be the same across all of the sites. That's exactly what we're talking about, Michele. > Or are you proposing we only change things for feo and aeo? Oh, heck no. This something that I feel should happen across the domains. aeo and feo come up because they are in process, and we can make the changes now, as opposed to going back and retrofitting like we'll have to for the other sites. > aeo isn't really an issue since its intended audience is not the general > public, and I don't think it will be linked from the main navigation at all. Well, maybe it will be linked up at the top, conditionally. I hadn't thought of that, and I'm not sure exactly what condition we would use, but it's a possibility. And it is an issue because we're going to be using the interface that we have on several other sites. Breaking interaction standards on our very own internal site without reason is a Not Good Thing. > I think we should consider the impact across all sites before we agree to > this. Consistency is important. Consistency is the prime motivation behind the discussion. :) Consistant, predictable tools and interaction. > So, let's assess what we have already .. these are only suggestions: [... good suggestions snipped ...] > The more sites we add, the more chance of people not knowing they exist. > The top navigation that we have now (Join, Browsers, Lists, Tips, Members, > Directory), I think is not obvious enough. Any suggestions? Links on the > black nav bar, Evolt Sites: yadda yadda? I think the top nav actually could be enough, but maybe it needs a label like "the evolt network" or something (I don't actually like that particular suggestion, but it show the direction of thought). I think it could also help to mention some of the other sites in the FAQ for each site. We might also consider having the some form of "What is evolt?" in each and every domain's FAQ, because you never know which of these domains will be someone's first *eo experience. > Anyway, some things to think about. Yepper. David From djc at starkmedia.com Sun Jul 22 15:49:45 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Sun Jul 22 15:49:45 2001 Subject: [thesite] the stylesheet and the btnbt References: Message-ID: <3B5B3A92.9000808@starkmedia.com> +1 if a particular site doesn't have its own help(faq) or contact page, they can point back to w.e.o's faq and contact page.. mccreath wrote: > btnbt is to be localized for the various *eo sites along these lines: > > 1) The drop down will be adapted for whatever sections the local site > contains > 2) The three buttons below the tab/logo will be localized > 3) The tab/logo will always refer to www.evolt.org > > Sound good to everyone? From dsmah at home.com Sun Jul 22 15:51:11 2001 From: dsmah at home.com (Dean Mah) Date: Sun Jul 22 15:51:11 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tips Database Message-ID: <200107222052.OAA02023@alice.monkeyland.ca> All of the tips in thelist.mbox file (to Sun Jul 22 14:09:21 2001) have been inserted into the test database. I don't recall what you guys were going to do after this point so I'll leave you to it. The table is called THELIST and looks like: SQL> desc thelist; Name Null? Type ----------------------------------------- -------- ---------------------------- LISTID NUMBER MESSAGEID NUMBER HDR_MESSAGEID VARCHAR2(80) HDR_FROMNAME VARCHAR2(255) HDR_FROMEMAIL VARCHAR2(255) HDR_TOEMAIL VARCHAR2(255) HDR_SUBJECT VARCHAR2(255) HDR_DATE VARCHAR2(80) HDR_INREPLYTO VARCHAR2(80) BDY_CONTENT LONG Have fun, Dean From mwarden at mattwarden.com Sun Jul 22 15:57:26 2001 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Sun Jul 22 15:57:26 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tips Database In-Reply-To: <200107222052.OAA02023@alice.monkeyland.ca> Message-ID: Martin, does thetips list still exist? I can't recall exactly what all we were going to do with these eithe (other than have them searchable). I think it would be cool to have like a "tip of the day" type thing where a random tip was mailed to you every day or that people could subscribe to a tips digest or maybe just the tips of type they specify. So, um, dean, you rock man. Dan are we going to try and salvage the tips from the older mbox files? werd (W3RD). -- mattwarden mattwarden.com On Jul 22, Dean Mah had something to say about [thesite] Tips Database >All of the tips in thelist.mbox file (to Sun Jul 22 14:09:21 2001) >have been inserted into the test database. I don't recall what you >guys were going to do after this point so I'll leave you to it. The >table is called THELIST and looks like: > > >SQL> desc thelist; >Name Null? Type >----------------------------------------- -------- ---------------------------- > LISTID NUMBER > MESSAGEID NUMBER > HDR_MESSAGEID VARCHAR2(80) > HDR_FROMNAME VARCHAR2(255) > HDR_FROMEMAIL VARCHAR2(255) > HDR_TOEMAIL VARCHAR2(255) > HDR_SUBJECT VARCHAR2(255) > HDR_DATE VARCHAR2(80) > HDR_INREPLYTO VARCHAR2(80) > BDY_CONTENT LONG > > >Have fun, >Dean From martin at easyweb.co.uk Sun Jul 22 16:30:51 2001 From: martin at easyweb.co.uk (Martin Burns) Date: Sun Jul 22 16:30:51 2001 Subject: Fwd: [thetips] Re: [thesite] Tips Database Message-ID: <0bdcf1831211671PCOW024M@blueyonder.co.uk> Apparently so, Matt. Last version of the requirements document is at http://members.evolt.org/martin/thetips/reqs.html Cheers Martin ---------------- Begin Forwarded Message ---------------- Date: 22/7/01 9:57 pm Received: 22/7/01 9:58 pm From: Warden, Matt, mwarden at mattwarden.com Reply-To: thetips at lists.evolt.org To: thesite, thesite at lists.evolt.org thetips at lists.evolt.org Martin, does thetips list still exist? I can't recall exactly what all we were going to do with these eithe (other than have them searchable). I think it would be cool to have like a "tip of the day" type thing where a random tip was mailed to you every day or that people could subscribe to a tips digest or maybe just the tips of type they specify. So, um, dean, you rock man. Dan are we going to try and salvage the tips from the older mbox files? werd (W3RD). -- mattwarden mattwarden.com On Jul 22, Dean Mah had something to say about [thesite] Tips Database >All of the tips in thelist.mbox file (to Sun Jul 22 14:09:21 2001) >have been inserted into the test database. I don't recall what you >guys were going to do after this point so I'll leave you to it. The >table is called THELIST and looks like: > > >SQL> desc thelist; >Name Null? Type >----------------------------------------- -------- ---------------------------- > LISTID NUMBER > MESSAGEID NUMBER > HDR_MESSAGEID VARCHAR2(80) > HDR_FROMNAME VARCHAR2(255) > HDR_FROMEMAIL VARCHAR2(255) > HDR_TOEMAIL VARCHAR2(255) > HDR_SUBJECT VARCHAR2(255) > HDR_DATE VARCHAR2(80) > HDR_INREPLYTO VARCHAR2(80) > BDY_CONTENT LONG > > >Have fun, >Dean _______________________________________________ All wiyht. Rho sritched mg kegtops awound kgen tje mopples wrtr om tje erong plsce? thetips at lists.evolt.org http://lists.evolt.org/mailman/listinfo/thetips Archive: http://lists.evolt.org/thetipsarchive/ ----------------- End Forwarded Message ----------------- _______________________________________________ email: martin at easyweb.co.uk PGP ID: 0xA835CCCB martin at members.evolt.org snailmail: 30 Shandon Place tel: +44 (0)774 063 9985 Edinburgh, url: http://www.easyweb.co.uk Scotland From djc at starkmedia.com Sun Jul 22 17:29:37 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Sun Jul 22 17:29:37 2001 Subject: [thesite] new oracle box.. Message-ID: <3B5B51F6.3010107@starkmedia.com> its up and running, and kicking ass. I just imporeted the live data from the production server(oracle.starkmedia.com) to the new machine(oreo.evolt.org(get it, ORacle.Evolt.Org :) ) and then set test.evolt.org to use the new machine as its datasource. if that sounds confusing, it kinda is :) at any rate, they're both pulling up the exact same data, just from different machines. The differences in speed are quite fucking remarkable, to say the least :) The front page on test.evolt.org with the new DB server is taking 3.3 seconds to build, whereas www.evolt.org is taking 11.1 seconds to build. I've taken the debugging info from each page and posted it at http://members.evolt.org/djc/temp/oracle-compare.html (the new machine is on the right, old one on the left. sorry about the formatting, didnt want to spend an hour HTML'ing it) the difference is very noticable on the front page load time as a result naturally.. dean, matt, rudy, passwords should all be the same for the main evolt DB and connection info to that machine. if anyone has a couple seconds, try wheeling around t.e.o and making it work a bit.. if i dont see anything wack, i'll have w.e.o point to the new DB tonite :) questions? comments? .djc. From djc at starkmedia.com Sun Jul 22 17:32:56 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Sun Jul 22 17:32:56 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tips Database References: <200107222052.OAA02023@alice.monkeyland.ca> Message-ID: <3B5B52BE.903@starkmedia.com> rulez! would you mind running this once more though? :) i have the mbox file from the first year of thelist, and it may be cool to put that in there.. also, was checking out the data, and it looks like you've got just the 's in there. would i be a serious bitch if i asked that you just take the entire message body and insert it into thelist table? then we could run through that, grep out tips, and associate them with a messageid from thelist table.. does that make sense? i just figure if we should get everything we can out of the mbox's while you're kind enough to do this :) .djc. Dean Mah wrote: > All of the tips in thelist.mbox file (to Sun Jul 22 14:09:21 2001) > have been inserted into the test database. I don't recall what you > guys were going to do after this point so I'll leave you to it. The > table is called THELIST and looks like: > > > SQL> desc thelist; > Name Null? Type > ----------------------------------------- -------- ---------------------------- > LISTID NUMBER > MESSAGEID NUMBER > HDR_MESSAGEID VARCHAR2(80) > HDR_FROMNAME VARCHAR2(255) > HDR_FROMEMAIL VARCHAR2(255) > HDR_TOEMAIL VARCHAR2(255) > HDR_SUBJECT VARCHAR2(255) > HDR_DATE VARCHAR2(80) > HDR_INREPLYTO VARCHAR2(80) > BDY_CONTENT LONG > > > Have fun, > Dean > > _______________________________________________ > For unsubscribe, archive, and options, go to: > http://lists.evolt.org/mailman/listinfo/thesite > From djc at starkmedia.com Sun Jul 22 17:40:29 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Sun Jul 22 17:40:29 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tips Database References: Message-ID: <3B5B5483.7030809@starkmedia.com> hopefully, although the whole shabang will need to be run again so the older ones have a lower message_id than the newer ones.. Dean, you can find the older mbox where the regular one is named, wait for it.... thelist.old.mbox ! let me know if thats kosher. also, whats the plan for future extraction of the tips? Warden, Matt wrote: > Dan are we going to try and salvage the tips from the older mbox files? From seth at sethbienek.com Sun Jul 22 17:45:49 2001 From: seth at sethbienek.com (Seth Bienek) Date: Sun Jul 22 17:45:49 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tips Database In-Reply-To: <200107222052.OAA02023@alice.monkeyland.ca> Message-ID: <000401c112ff$d464f0b0$2f01010a@dti2> > I don't recall what you > guys were going to do after this point so I'll leave you to it. The The idea was to finish parsing the messages from the mbox file into the database, then parse the message bodies from the database for tips. The reason for this was to be able to relate tips to the messages and authors from whence they came, etc. in order to keep everything related and in the database. The mbox parser was running batches of 1000 messages up until the crash, and was 20% done; I've been waiting for the datasource to be set back up so we could schedule the process to run as a nightly again. We can use the tips without the references, but personally I'd prefer to keep everything tied together. Seth ----------------------------------- Seth Bienek Digitaris Technologies, Inc. tel (972) 690-4131, ext. 103 fax (972) 690-0617 icq 7673959 ----------------------------------- From djc at starkmedia.com Sun Jul 22 17:52:08 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Sun Jul 22 17:52:08 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tips Database References: <000401c112ff$d464f0b0$2f01010a@dti2> Message-ID: <3B5B573E.5060008@starkmedia.com> seth - assuming dean can do it, would you have a problem if he just shoved all the messages in there for you with perl? i know you've put a lot of work into this and i dont wanna discount that or anything.. it would be nice though to get them in there and then play with them :) the outputing of thetips and the new archives is where the majority of the cold fusion stuff(and hence you :) should come in.. does that sound ok? Seth Bienek wrote: >>I don't recall what you >>guys were going to do after this point so I'll leave you to it. The >> > > The idea was to finish parsing the messages from the mbox file into the database, then parse the message bodies from the database for tips. The reason for this was to be able to relate tips to the messages and authors from whence they came, etc. in order to keep everything related and in the database. > > The mbox parser was running batches of 1000 messages up until the crash, and was 20% done; I've been waiting for the datasource to be set back up so we could schedule the process to run as a nightly again. > > We can use the tips without the references, but personally I'd prefer to keep everything tied together. > > Seth > > ----------------------------------- > Seth Bienek > Digitaris Technologies, Inc. > tel (972) 690-4131, ext. 103 > fax (972) 690-0617 > icq 7673959 > ----------------------------------- > > > > > _______________________________________________ > For unsubscribe, archive, and options, go to: > http://lists.evolt.org/mailman/listinfo/thesite > From seth at sethbienek.com Sun Jul 22 18:02:45 2001 From: seth at sethbienek.com (Seth Bienek) Date: Sun Jul 22 18:02:45 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tips Database In-Reply-To: <3B5B573E.5060008@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <000501c11302$2fbecba0$2f01010a@dti2> > assuming dean can do it, would you have a problem if he just shoved all > the messages in there for you with perl? Not a bit! I wasn't sure why we were doing it in CF to begin with, I think perl is much better suited for the work; CF4.5 on Linux is *painfully* slow at type of stuff. Dean, if you don't mind, I'd like you to have a look at the CF code to see what fields were being pulled out; even if you're not familiar with CF it's very straightforward.. It's at leo/mporter/mporter.cfm There was a table structure in place that should be populated with a few thousand messages, too - should be able to wipe the contents and keep the structure. Fins up. Seth ----------------------------------- Seth Bienek Digitaris Technologies, Inc. tel (972) 690-4131, ext. 103 fax (972) 690-0617 icq 7673959 ----------------------------------- From djc at starkmedia.com Sun Jul 22 18:06:34 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Sun Jul 22 18:06:34 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tips Database References: <000501c11302$2fbecba0$2f01010a@dti2> Message-ID: <3B5B5A9F.40606@starkmedia.com> cool! in the meantime seth, do you wanna get started with some basic stuff to start displaying the new archives/tips? you can probably just use static markup for now f you want, but this could give you something to do while we're waiting on dean.. lemme know, i had a bunch of (ugly) stuff in leo/thelist if you want to take a look.. if not, thats cool to :) Seth Bienek wrote: >>assuming dean can do it, would you have a problem if he just shoved all >>the messages in there for you with perl? >> > > Not a bit! I wasn't sure why we were doing it in CF to begin with, I think perl is much better suited for the work; CF4.5 on Linux is *painfully* slow at type of stuff. > > Dean, if you don't mind, I'd like you to have a look at the CF code to see what fields were being pulled out; even if you're not familiar with CF it's very straightforward.. It's at leo/mporter/mporter.cfm > > There was a table structure in place that should be populated with a few thousand messages, too - should be able to wipe the contents and keep the structure. > > Fins up. > > Seth > ----------------------------------- > Seth Bienek > Digitaris Technologies, Inc. > tel (972) 690-4131, ext. 103 > fax (972) 690-0617 > icq 7673959 > ----------------------------------- > > > > _______________________________________________ > For unsubscribe, archive, and options, go to: > http://lists.evolt.org/mailman/listinfo/thesite > From seth at sethbienek.com Sun Jul 22 18:09:16 2001 From: seth at sethbienek.com (Seth Bienek) Date: Sun Jul 22 18:09:16 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tips Database In-Reply-To: <3B5B5A9F.40606@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <000601c11303$21d80780$2f01010a@dti2> > in the meantime seth, do you wanna get started with some basic stuff I'd be happy to. Hook a brutha up. :) Seth ----------------------------------- Seth Bienek Digitaris Technologies, Inc. tel (972) 690-4131, ext. 103 fax (972) 690-0617 icq 7673959 ----------------------------------- From dsmah at home.com Sun Jul 22 19:20:04 2001 From: dsmah at home.com (Dean Mah) Date: Sun Jul 22 19:20:04 2001 Subject: [thetips] Re: [thesite] Tips Database In-Reply-To: from "Warden, Matt" at Jul 22, 2001 04:57:40 PM Message-ID: <200107230021.SAA00915@alice.monkeyland.ca> The tips are not usable in the current form. IIRC, this was only stage one of getting the tips into the database. I only did want Seth's mporter CF was doing. The second stage, I think, was to put the tips into the content table in their own category.... Dean Warden, Matt writes: > I can't recall exactly what all we were going to do with these either > (other than have them searchable). I think it would be cool to have > like a "tip of the day" type thing where a random tip was mailed to > you every day or that people could subscribe to a tips digest or > maybe just the tips of type they specify. From dsmah at home.com Sun Jul 22 19:26:11 2001 From: dsmah at home.com (Dean Mah) Date: Sun Jul 22 19:26:11 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tips Database In-Reply-To: <3B5B52BE.903@starkmedia.com> from "Daniel J. Cody" at Jul 22, 2001 05:25:02 PM Message-ID: <200107230027.SAA00924@alice.monkeyland.ca> Daniel J. Cody writes: > i have the mbox file from the first year of thelist, and it may be > cool to put that in there.. It's kind of a pain in the ass and will take some time. The biggest problem is that since the tips do not have a rigid structure, tip author's have tended to abuse the format and each chunk needs to be manually inspected especially if higher-level processing is to be done on them. > also, was checking out the data, and it looks like you've got just > the 's in there. would i be a serious bitch if i asked that you > just take the entire message body and insert it into thelist table? > then we could run through that, grep out tips, and associate them > with a messageid from thelist table.. > > does that make sense? i just figure if we should get everything we > can out of the mbox's while you're kind enough to do this :) Do you want every message from the mbox inserted into THELIST table? Currently, I am only inserting the messages with the tips in them. I'm also doing processing of the tips. (This is modified Tip Harvester code.) Is there a point in doing this? Dean From dsmah at home.com Sun Jul 22 19:31:04 2001 From: dsmah at home.com (Dean Mah) Date: Sun Jul 22 19:31:04 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tips Database In-Reply-To: <000401c112ff$d464f0b0$2f01010a@dti2> from "Seth Bienek" at Jul 22, 2001 05:44:13 PM Message-ID: <200107230032.SAA00934@alice.monkeyland.ca> In what way were the messages from the mbox file being parsed? It is beginning to sound like that they were only being extracted from the mbox file and loaded into the database. It's also sounds like the entire mbox file was being stuffed into the databse. Is that correct? Currently the tips are associated with the author. The message ID from the header is also captured. Also, the caveat with associating a message author with a tip is that not all tips are written by the message's author. They are merely being quoted from someone else's message. Dean Seth Bienek writes: > The idea was to finish parsing the messages from the mbox file into > the database, then parse the message bodies from the database for > tips. The reason for this was to be able to relate tips to the > messages and authors from whence they came, etc. in order to keep > everything related and in the database. From dsmah at home.com Sun Jul 22 19:36:40 2001 From: dsmah at home.com (Dean Mah) Date: Sun Jul 22 19:36:40 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tips Database In-Reply-To: <000501c11302$2fbecba0$2f01010a@dti2> from "Seth Bienek" at Jul 22, 2001 06:01:05 PM Message-ID: <200107230038.SAA00942@alice.monkeyland.ca> Seth Bienek writes: > Dean, if you don't mind, I'd like you to have a look at the CF code > to see what fields were being pulled out; even if you're not > familiar with CF it's very straightforward.. It's at > leo/mporter/mporter.cfm I looked at the code quickly in order to locate the table name and stuff. I didn't spend that much time figuring out how you were doing the parsing. > There was a table structure in place that should be populated with a > few thousand messages, too - should be able to wipe the contents and > keep the structure. Saw the table but didn't find the structure in Oracle. I've heard a rumour that it was in a SQL Server database. So I just made up the table structure as shown in my first message. Dean From seth at sethbienek.com Sun Jul 22 20:20:31 2001 From: seth at sethbienek.com (Seth Bienek) Date: Sun Jul 22 20:20:31 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tips Database In-Reply-To: <200107230027.SAA00924@alice.monkeyland.ca> Message-ID: <000e01c11315$70ff3920$2f01010a@dti2> > The biggest > problem is that since the tips do not have a rigid structure, tip > author's have tended to abuse the format and each chunk needs to be > manually inspected especially if higher-level processing is to be done > on them. What I was planning on doing is pulling everything between the tip tags. Tip attributes must be quoted, and I was returning a list of whatever attributes were asked for. In other words, if the custom tag was called with then the attributes 'author' and 'type' would be pulled and returned with the tip structure, otherwise blank values for those attributes would be returned. What the plan was for keeping those in a database, however, I am unaware. IMO, the standard attribtes are 'type' and 'author'. My plan was to have db fields for these two attributes; if an author was specified then the that author would be used, otherwise the field would be left empty and on displat the email address of the poster of that messageid would be cross-referenced with the members table and that userid would be used, unless there were no match in which case the name (if available) from the original email would be used. This would allow us to link tips with author profiles (and their articles, etc.) when available. I was thinking that the type would be saved as well, and a seperate lookup table established (later) to allow mapping of pseudo-types to standardized categories (i.e. Cold Fusion and ColdFusion and CF would all have lookups mapping to ColdFusion with a standard id). This would require a little admin interaction (not much), but I'd be willing to volunteer my time. It would be a kickass feature as it would allow lookups by subject ('Show me all the 'ColdFusion' tips submitted'). > Do you want every message from the mbox inserted into THELIST table? Yes. This is important because it not only allows searching and database-driven display of the messages, but it also allows us to sort/group/display them by author, thread, date, and relate them to the database records for user profiles and tips. > Currently, I am only inserting the messages with the tips in them. This doesn't really help because the idea is to get (and keep) all of the messages in the database. See above. > I'm also doing processing of the tips. (This is modified Tip > Harvester code.) Is there a point in doing this? I hope I answered this question above too. :) Concerns/Comments? Seth "The statistics on sanity are that one out of every four Americans is suffering from some form of mental illness. Think of your three best friends. If they're okay, then it's you." -Rita Mae Brown ----------------------------------- Seth Bienek Digitaris Technologies, Inc. tel (972) 690-4131, ext. 103 fax (972) 690-0617 icq 7673959 ----------------------------------- From seth at sethbienek.com Sun Jul 22 20:23:46 2001 From: seth at sethbienek.com (Seth Bienek) Date: Sun Jul 22 20:23:46 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tips Database In-Reply-To: <200107230032.SAA00934@alice.monkeyland.ca> Message-ID: <000f01c11315$d86c1f10$2f01010a@dti2> > In what way were the messages from the mbox file being parsed? It is > beginning to sound like that they were only being extracted from the > mbox file and loaded into the database. It's also sounds like the > entire mbox file was being stuffed into the databse. Is that correct? That is correct, Funk Master. It is a part of the Grand Scheme... :) > Currently the tips are associated with the author. The message ID > from the header is also captured. Also, the caveat with associating a > message author with a tip is that not all tips are written by the > message's author. They are merely being quoted from someone else's > message. Right. The idea (IMO) is to be able to directly link to the author when possible, but still display the author (even if we can't link) then an author was specified in the original tip. Seth "The statistics on sanity are that one out of every four Americans is suffering from some form of mental illness. Think of your three best friends. If they're okay, then it's you." -Rita Mae Brown ----------------------------------- Seth Bienek Digitaris Technologies, Inc. tel (972) 690-4131, ext. 103 fax (972) 690-0617 icq 7673959 ----------------------------------- From djc at starkmedia.com Sun Jul 22 20:28:35 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Sun Jul 22 20:28:35 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tips Database References: <000601c11303$21d80780$2f01010a@dti2> Message-ID: <3B5B7E01.8040907@starkmedia.com> sure thing.. tomorrow ;) Seth Bienek wrote: >>in the meantime seth, do you wanna get started with some basic stuff >> > > I'd be happy to. Hook a brutha up. :) > > Seth > > ----------------------------------- > Seth Bienek > Digitaris Technologies, Inc. > tel (972) 690-4131, ext. 103 > fax (972) 690-0617 > icq 7673959 > ----------------------------------- > > > > _______________________________________________ > For unsubscribe, archive, and options, go to: > http://lists.evolt.org/mailman/listinfo/thesite > From djc at starkmedia.com Sun Jul 22 20:29:43 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Sun Jul 22 20:29:43 2001 Subject: [thesite] new oracle box.. References: <3B5B51F6.3010107@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <3B5B7E46.1000706@starkmedia.com> FYI, w.e.o is now pulling of the new oracle box.. if anyone notices prob's or whatnot, lemme know :) Daniel J. Cody wrote: > its up and running, and kicking ass. > > I just imporeted the live data from the production > server(oracle.starkmedia.com) to the new machine(oreo.evolt.org(get it, > ORacle.Evolt.Org :) ) and then set test.evolt.org to use the new machine > as its datasource. > > if that sounds confusing, it kinda is :) at any rate, they're both > pulling up the exact same data, just from different machines. > The differences in speed are quite fucking remarkable, to say the least :) > > The front page on test.evolt.org with the new DB server is taking 3.3 > seconds to build, whereas www.evolt.org is taking 11.1 seconds to build. > I've taken the debugging info from each page and posted it at > http://members.evolt.org/djc/temp/oracle-compare.html (the new machine > is on the right, old one on the left. sorry about the formatting, didnt > want to spend an hour HTML'ing it) > > the difference is very noticable on the front page load time as a result > naturally.. > > dean, matt, rudy, passwords should all be the same for the main evolt DB > and connection info to that machine. if anyone has a couple seconds, try > wheeling around t.e.o and making it work a bit.. if i dont see anything > wack, i'll have w.e.o point to the new DB tonite :) > > questions? comments? > > .djc. > > > _______________________________________________ > For unsubscribe, archive, and options, go to: > http://lists.evolt.org/mailman/listinfo/thesite From r937 at interlog.com Sun Jul 22 21:37:10 2001 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Sun Jul 22 21:37:10 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tips Database Message-ID: <01c11320$549de640$b74a149a@rudy> > The idea (IMO) is to be able to directly link to the author > when possible, but still display the author (even if we can't > link) then an author was specified in the original tip. correct text field if the foreign key link to the user table cannot be made going a bit further, another important idea was always to have a single, authoritative source of information about a person if you have ever worked on a system where there are two user tables, you know what a bitch it is to synch them, and the inevitable screwups that can occur our situation with the tips is slightly different -- you know how sometimes a person can subscribe with one userid, and then maybe change jobs, and use a new one, and so on? tips from that person will be associated with multiple users which are actually the same person not as bad as two user tables, but still ugly so this was the rationale behind the member table -- one row per person, to which all the user records could be linked but i'm getting a little ahead of y'all here, so let's get back to the discussion of parsing tips... rudy From roselli at earthlink.net Sun Jul 22 23:19:24 2001 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Sun Jul 22 23:19:24 2001 Subject: [thesite] the stylesheet and the btnbt In-Reply-To: References: <000c01c112d8$56730920$2b129ad8@mef> Message-ID: <3B5B6C8B.2778.2E6D8235@localhost> > From: "mccreath" [...] > I think the top nav actually could be enough, but maybe it needs a > label like "the evolt network" or something (I don't actually like > that particular suggestion, but it show the direction of thought). evolt.org sites: Join | Browsers | Lists | Tips | Members | Directory > I think it could also help to mention some of the other sites in the > FAQ for each site. that should be a given... > We might also consider having the some form of "What is evolt?" in > each and every domain's FAQ, because you never know which of these > domains will be someone's first *eo experience. also should be a given... From dsmah at home.com Mon Jul 23 00:15:04 2001 From: dsmah at home.com (Dean Mah) Date: Mon Jul 23 00:15:04 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tips Database In-Reply-To: <3B5B5483.7030809@starkmedia.com> from "Daniel J. Cody" at Jul 22, 2001 05:32:35 PM Message-ID: <200107230516.XAA01735@alice.monkeyland.ca> Okay, all of the messages are in THELIST table now. Not sure what the plan for tip extraction is. Dean Daniel J. Cody writes: > hopefully, although the whole shabang will need to be run again so the > older ones have a lower message_id than the newer ones.. > > Dean, you can find the older mbox where the regular one is named, wait > for it.... thelist.old.mbox ! > > let me know if thats kosher. also, whats the plan for future extraction > of the tips? From seth at sethbienek.com Mon Jul 23 12:23:46 2001 From: seth at sethbienek.com (Seth Bienek) Date: Mon Jul 23 12:23:46 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tips Database In-Reply-To: <200107230516.XAA01735@alice.monkeyland.ca> Message-ID: <000f01c1139b$f51c8470$2f01010a@dti2> > Okay, all of the messages are in THELIST table now. I couldn't connect to the datasource for thelist - I think it was a MYSQL table. What is the structure of the Oracle table? Dan? Anyone? > Not sure what the plan for tip extraction is. The plan for tip extraction (not optimized for performance but should give you the idea): Select id, fromemail, messagebody from thelist loop through results (parse messagebody for tips for each tip (insert into thetips (tipid, messageid, fromemail, attribauthor, attribtype, tipcontent) values... etc.. ) ) Seth "The statistics on sanity are that one out of every four Americans is suffering from some form of mental illness. Think of your three best friends. If they're okay, then it's you." -Rita Mae Brown ----------------------------------- Seth Bienek Digitaris Technologies, Inc. tel (972) 690-4131, ext. 103 fax (972) 690-0617 icq 7673959 ----------------------------------- From dsmah at home.com Mon Jul 23 12:46:24 2001 From: dsmah at home.com (Dean Mah) Date: Mon Jul 23 12:46:24 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tips Database In-Reply-To: <000f01c1139b$f51c8470$2f01010a@dti2> from "Seth Bienek" at Jul 23, 2001 12:21:49 PM Message-ID: <200107231748.LAA01647@alice.monkeyland.ca> Seth Bienek writes: > > Okay, all of the messages are in THELIST table now. > > I couldn't connect to the datasource for thelist - I think it was a > MYSQL table. > > What is the structure of the Oracle table? Dan? Anyone? SQL> desc thelist Name Null? Type ---------------------------------------- -------- ---------------------------- LISTID NUMBER MESSAGEID NUMBER HDR_MESSAGEID VARCHAR2(512) HDR_FROMNAME VARCHAR2(512) HDR_FROMEMAIL VARCHAR2(512) HDR_TOEMAIL VARCHAR2(1024) HDR_SUBJECT VARCHAR2(512) HDR_DATE VARCHAR2(512) HDR_INREPLYTO VARCHAR2(512) BDY_CONTENT LONG > > Not sure what the plan for tip extraction is. > > The plan for tip extraction (not optimized for performance but > should give you the idea): > > Select id, fromemail, messagebody > from thelist > > loop through results > > (parse messagebody for tips > > for each tip > > (insert into thetips (tipid, messageid, fromemail, attribauthor, attribtype, tipcontent) > values... etc.. > ) > ) Okay. That's what I did the first time that I inserted only the tips into the database. When does this process run? How often? How do messages from thelist get into the table THELIST? Dean From seth at sethbienek.com Mon Jul 23 12:59:34 2001 From: seth at sethbienek.com (Seth Bienek) Date: Mon Jul 23 12:59:34 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tips Database In-Reply-To: <200107231748.LAA01647@alice.monkeyland.ca> Message-ID: <001101c113a0$ff384f20$2f01010a@dti2> > SQL> desc thelist > Name Null? Type > ---------------------------------------- -------- > ---------------------------- > LISTID NUMBER > MESSAGEID NUMBER > HDR_MESSAGEID VARCHAR2(512) > HDR_FROMNAME VARCHAR2(512) > HDR_FROMEMAIL VARCHAR2(512) > HDR_TOEMAIL VARCHAR2(1024) > HDR_SUBJECT VARCHAR2(512) > HDR_DATE VARCHAR2(512) > HDR_INREPLYTO VARCHAR2(512) > BDY_CONTENT LONG This looks good. Same table structure I was using.. > That's what I did the first time that I inserted only the tips > into the database. With the exception that the message goes in first, and the tip is parsed out of the message record from the database. This allows us to relate the tip to the message's messageid (from the db, not the header) What does the structure of the tips table look like? > When does this process run? Depends on how long it takes to run. If it's a quick, lightweight process, then the more often the better. It seems that an ideal time to run the tip parser would be directly after the mail parser runs. > How do messages from thelist get into the table THELIST? Right now that is what the CF 'mbox mporter' does. However it does it very slowly, even after being tweaked and optimized to the nth degree. Would it be a pain in the ass to write a perl script for this? Seth "The statistics on sanity are that one out of every four Americans is suffering from some form of mental illness. Think of your three best friends. If they're okay, then it's you." -Rita Mae Brown ----------------------------------- Seth Bienek Digitaris Technologies, Inc. tel (972) 690-4131, ext. 103 fax (972) 690-0617 icq 7673959 ----------------------------------- From dsmah at home.com Mon Jul 23 13:14:02 2001 From: dsmah at home.com (Dean Mah) Date: Mon Jul 23 13:14:02 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tips Database In-Reply-To: <001101c113a0$ff384f20$2f01010a@dti2> from "Seth Bienek" at Jul 23, 2001 12:57:54 PM Message-ID: <200107231815.MAA02053@alice.monkeyland.ca> Seth Bienek writes: > What does the structure of the tips table look like? I'm not sure who created this table or when it was created but in the test database it looks like: SQL> desc thetips; Name Null? Type ---------------------------------------- -------- ---------------------------- TIP_ID NOT NULL NUMBER(8) TIP_DATE NOT NULL DATE AUTHOR_ID NUMBER(8) TIP_TYPE VARCHAR2(200) AUTHOR VARCHAR2(50) BODY LONG > > How do messages from thelist get into the table THELIST? > > Right now that is what the CF 'mbox mporter' does. However it does > it very slowly, even after being tweaked and optimized to the nth > degree. Would it be a pain in the ass to write a perl script for > this? How do messages get into the mbox file? And when is this file rotated? Can it be a forced rotation rather than scheduled? Ideally, I don't want the Perl script to work over a live file. I'd rather have the script signal a rotation of the file and work on the static copy. Dean From djc at starkmedia.com Mon Jul 23 13:29:36 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Mon Jul 23 13:29:36 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tips Database References: <200107231815.MAA02053@alice.monkeyland.ca> Message-ID: <3B5C6B23.4060806@starkmedia.com> Dean Mah wrote: > How do messages get into the mbox file? And when is this file > rotated? Can it be a forced rotation rather than scheduled? mg appends shit onto it every time a message goes through. its manually rotated(which i should do sometime ) > Ideally, I don't want the Perl script to work over a live file. I'd > rather have the script signal a rotation of the file and work on the > static copy. True dat. Dean, why not have a perl script run over the same files that the current tip harvester runs? Instead of the Big Ass .mbox file, /home/mailman/archives/private/thelist/Week-of-Mon-XXXXXXX.txt ? Does that file have enough header information? I say this because its already rotating once a week, and on average is only a MB in size.. If that doesn't work out, I'll try to put something toegether that rotates the .mbox once a week .djc. From dsmah at home.com Mon Jul 23 14:21:41 2001 From: dsmah at home.com (Dean Mah) Date: Mon Jul 23 14:21:41 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tips Database In-Reply-To: <3B5C6B23.4060806@starkmedia.com> from "Daniel J. Cody" at Jul 23, 2001 01:21:23 PM Message-ID: <200107231923.NAA02195@alice.monkeyland.ca> Daniel J. Cody writes: > mg appends shit onto it every time a message goes through. its > manually rotated(which i should do sometime ) Which the Perl script could do so that you don't have to. :) > True dat. Dean, why not have a perl script run over the same files > that the current tip harvester runs? Instead of the Big Ass .mbox > file, /home/mailman/archives/private/thelist/Week-of-Mon-XXXXXXX.txt? > Does that file have enough header information? It doesn't have headers for: Message-ID, In-Reply-To, and To. > I say this because its already rotating once a week, and on average > is only a MB in size.. If that doesn't work out, I'll try to put > something toegether that rotates the .mbox once a week What is involved in doing the rotation? It can be rolled into the Perl script and then the script can be run once a week. As long as MG isn't opening a persistent connection to the file we should be able to just rename it. Dean From mwarden at mattwarden.com Mon Jul 23 15:38:39 2001 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Mon Jul 23 15:38:39 2001 Subject: [thesite] holy formatting, batman! Message-ID: um, would someone with some design skill take a look at: http://evolt.org/article/How_Not_to_Steal_a_Site_Design/1/13136/index.html#comment14457 and fix whatever the fuck is going on with it? -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From mwarden at mattwarden.com Mon Jul 23 15:39:32 2001 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Mon Jul 23 15:39:32 2001 Subject: [thesite] re: holy formatting, batman! Message-ID: nevermind, i figger'd it out. sorry. -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From michele at wordpro.on.ca Mon Jul 23 15:41:33 2001 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Mon Jul 23 15:41:33 2001 Subject: [thesite] holy formatting, batman! References: Message-ID: <01c901c113b7$fcd142c0$db009ad8@mef> Looks fine here .. what's wrong ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warden, Matt" | | um, would someone with some design skill take a look at: | | http://evolt.org/article/How_Not_to_Steal_a_Site_Design/1/13136/index.html#c omment14457 | | and fix whatever the fuck is going on with it? From mwarden at mattwarden.com Mon Jul 23 15:45:17 2001 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Mon Jul 23 15:45:17 2001 Subject: [thesite] holy formatting, batman! In-Reply-To: <01c901c113b7$fcd142c0$db009ad8@mef> Message-ID: if you are interested: http://mattwarden.com/fux0rd.gif (plus you get to see that i talk on AIM while at work) -- mattwarden mattwarden.com On Jul 23, Michele Foster had something to say about Re: [thesite] holy... >Looks fine here .. what's wrong ? > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Warden, Matt" > > >| >| um, would someone with some design skill take a look at: >| >| >http://evolt.org/article/How_Not_to_Steal_a_Site_Design/1/13136/index.html#c >omment14457 >| >| and fix whatever the fuck is going on with it? From djc at starkmedia.com Mon Jul 23 15:50:02 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Mon Jul 23 15:50:02 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tips Database References: <200107231923.NAA02195@alice.monkeyland.ca> Message-ID: <3B5C8C0C.2070609@starkmedia.com> Ya, lemme check this out today.. I don't think its a persistant connect, but ya never know.. .djc. Dean Mah wrote: > What is involved in doing the rotation? It can be rolled into the > Perl script and then the script can be run once a week. As long as MG > isn't opening a persistent connection to the file we should be able to > just rename it. From djc at starkmedia.com Mon Jul 23 16:00:07 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Mon Jul 23 16:00:07 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tips Database References: <200107231923.NAA02195@alice.monkeyland.ca> Message-ID: <3B5C8E68.6080808@starkmedia.com> Ok, looks like this will work dean.. If its cool, lets just do it in the perl script.. Have it copy thelist.mbox to thelist-Week-Of-Mon-XXXXXXXXX.mbox file just like the archives now, delete thelist.mbox, then touch a new thelist.mbox with these perm's: -rw-rw-r-- mail mailman sound groovey? Dean Mah wrote: > What is involved in doing the rotation? It can be rolled into the > Perl script and then the script can be run once a week. As long as MG > isn't opening a persistent connection to the file we should be able to > just rename it. From dsmah at home.com Mon Jul 23 16:08:41 2001 From: dsmah at home.com (Dean Mah) Date: Mon Jul 23 16:08:41 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tips Database In-Reply-To: <3B5C8E68.6080808@starkmedia.com> from "Daniel J. Cody" at Jul 23, 2001 03:51:52 PM Message-ID: <200107232110.PAA02530@alice.monkeyland.ca> So we want to do this weekly only? Every Monday at 12am type thing? Dean Daniel J. Cody writes: > Ok, looks like this will work dean.. If its cool, lets just do it in the > perl script.. Have it copy thelist.mbox to > thelist-Week-Of-Mon-XXXXXXXXX.mbox file just like the archives now, > delete thelist.mbox, then touch a new thelist.mbox with these perm's: > -rw-rw-r-- mail mailman > > sound groovey? > > Dean Mah wrote: > > > > What is involved in doing the rotation? It can be rolled into the > > Perl script and then the script can be run once a week. As long as MG > > isn't opening a persistent connection to the file we should be able to > > just rename it. From djc at starkmedia.com Mon Jul 23 16:10:34 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Mon Jul 23 16:10:34 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tips Database References: <200107232110.PAA02530@alice.monkeyland.ca> Message-ID: <3B5C90D9.4060303@starkmedia.com> Ya, unless you guys wanna do it more often? Dean Mah wrote: > So we want to do this weekly only? Every Monday at 12am type thing? > > Dean > > > Daniel J. Cody writes: > > >>Ok, looks like this will work dean.. If its cool, lets just do it in the >>perl script.. Have it copy thelist.mbox to >>thelist-Week-Of-Mon-XXXXXXXXX.mbox file just like the archives now, >>delete thelist.mbox, then touch a new thelist.mbox with these perm's: >>-rw-rw-r-- mail mailman >> >>sound groovey? >> >>Dean Mah wrote: >> >> >> >>>What is involved in doing the rotation? It can be rolled into the >>>Perl script and then the script can be run once a week. As long as MG >>>isn't opening a persistent connection to the file we should be able to >>>just rename it. >>> > > _______________________________________________ > For unsubscribe, archive, and options, go to: > http://lists.evolt.org/mailman/listinfo/thesite > From djc at starkmedia.com Mon Jul 23 17:15:45 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Mon Jul 23 17:15:45 2001 Subject: [thesite] fyi for those of you that are using oracle.. Message-ID: <3B5CA01B.2080407@starkmedia.com> i just set up some filters so oracle can't be accessed from outside stark's class C. either FTP into the oracle box then run sqlplus or hit leo, ssh over to oracle and run sqlplus thanks :) From joxn at vernum.com Tue Jul 24 04:29:37 2001 From: joxn at vernum.com (Joxn) Date: Tue Jul 24 04:29:37 2001 Subject: [thesite] map - the FSFE way Message-ID: <3B5D4007.2050203@vernum.com> Hi, just got this message from the FSF Europe mailinglist. Someone released a first version of this: http://france.fsfeurope.org/coposys/index.en.html Even if the code might not help us - we wanted to use Flash, didn't we? - the site contains a few interesting links. bye Joxn -- || //\\ \\// |\\|| :: joxn at vernum.com :: \\|| \\// //\\ ||\\| :: 8053703 :: From dsmah at home.com Tue Jul 24 07:43:54 2001 From: dsmah at home.com (Dean Mah) Date: Tue Jul 24 07:43:54 2001 Subject: [thesite] map - the FSFE way In-Reply-To: <3B5D4007.2050203@vernum.com> from "Joxn" at Jul 24, 2001 11:29:43 AM Message-ID: <200107241245.GAA00902@alice.monkeyland.ca> Heh, we already have something like this: http://members.evolt.org/dmah/Map/ Still building the database backend, entry system, and making an imagemap out of the whole thing. Dean Joxn writes: > Hi, > just got this message from the FSF Europe mailinglist. > > Someone released a first version of this: > http://france.fsfeurope.org/coposys/index.en.html > > Even if the code might not help us - we wanted to use Flash, didn't we? > - the site contains a few interesting links. From stewart at MBnet.MB.CA Tue Jul 24 09:37:31 2001 From: stewart at MBnet.MB.CA (Garry Stewart) Date: Tue Jul 24 09:37:31 2001 Subject: [thesite] Scott Resume-buds Message-ID: <200107241438.JAA18102@access.mbnet.mb.ca> Hi! How are you? I send you this file in order to have your advice See you later. Thanks -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Scott Resume-buds.doc.com Type: application/mixed Size: 157696 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- From support at star.co.uk Tue Jul 24 09:41:26 2001 From: support at star.co.uk (support at star.co.uk) Date: Tue Jul 24 09:41:26 2001 Subject: [thesite] WARNING. 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For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call Star Internet for details on the Virus Scanning Service. From djc at starkmedia.com Tue Jul 24 09:44:36 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Tue Jul 24 09:44:36 2001 Subject: [thesite] Scott Resume-buds References: <200107241438.JAA18102@access.mbnet.mb.ca> Message-ID: <3B5D87CE.9020705@starkmedia.com> fuck. guess i'll start having to filter the other lists too.. sorry folks. Garry Stewart wrote: > Hi! How are you? > > I send you this file in order to have your advice > > See you later. Thanks From garrett at polytechnic.co.uk Tue Jul 24 10:03:52 2001 From: garrett at polytechnic.co.uk (Garrett Coakley) Date: Tue Jul 24 10:03:52 2001 Subject: [thesite] feo update In-Reply-To: <3B5D87CE.9020705@starkmedia.com> References: <200107241438.JAA18102@access.mbnet.mb.ca> <3B5D87CE.9020705@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <20010724160303.7fee6c89.garrett@polytechnic.co.uk> Hi folks, Okay, it's getting there. >From the html and CSS spat out by weo you get this: http://members.evolt.org/garrett/feo.html This is the state of play so far. I've dumped all of the styles from isacc.css that are different into a style tag at the top of this page to show whats ones would requiring changing for the feo look. I've had to create two new styles for the alternating background. At the minute these are td.content1 and td.content2, but as you'll see from the comments in the page, this is just a work in progress, so any other solutions on how best to sort this out within the realms of the evolt structure are graetfully received. I've also tinkered with the html itself, this is commented where it's happened (think the only bits are the width of the content cell and there's a tr after the title that I've commented out). Didn't know how kosher that was *:) Ignore the rough antialiasing on the top of the salad bowl.. had a bad graphics day. So, there you go. I guess I need to know where we go from here? G. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- WORK: http://spiked.co.uk/ PLAY: http://polytechnic.co.uk/ From mwarden at mattwarden.com Tue Jul 24 11:40:40 2001 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Tue Jul 24 11:40:40 2001 Subject: [thesite] feo update In-Reply-To: <20010724160303.7fee6c89.garrett@polytechnic.co.uk> Message-ID: On Jul 24, Garrett Coakley had something to say about [thesite] feo update >Okay, it's getting there. > >>From the html and CSS spat out by weo you get this: > >http://members.evolt.org/garrett/feo.html rock. >This is the state of play so far. I've dumped all of the styles from isacc.css >that are different into a style tag at the top of this page to show >whats ones would requiring changing for the feo look. I think Adrian will smack you in the face for those custom styles. Especially considering those attributes will eventually be customizable by users. Kinda funny to customize a style that is only used on feo. >I've had to create two new styles for the alternating background. Drop the alternating background. It's hardly noticeable on my crappy laptop monitor anyway. >I've also tinkered with the html itself, this is commented where it's >happened (think the only bits are the width of the content cell and >there's a tr after the title that I've commented out). Didn't know how >kosher that was *:) I think that's ok. The HTML and page layout don't need to be 100% the same. >So, there you go. I guess I need to know where we go from here? Finish anything that needs finished, whack that alternating background, and then let me loose on it so I can demonstrate my CF skillz. cool? -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From javier at msm.cl Tue Jul 24 12:33:14 2001 From: javier at msm.cl (mantruc) Date: Tue Jul 24 12:33:14 2001 Subject: [thesite] map - the FSFE way References: <200107241245.GAA00902@alice.monkeyland.ca> Message-ID: <3B5DB131.29F9FC11@msm.cl> Dean Mah wrote: > > Heh, we already have something like this: > > http://members.evolt.org/dmah/Map/ > > Still building the database backend, entry system, and making an > imagemap out of the whole thing. Cool! Dean, let me know how to help you on the form design is that your latest schema? > Joxn writes: >> we wanted to use Flash, didn't we? i don't think i *has* to be in Flash -- javier http://mantruc.com From garrett at polytechnic.co.uk Tue Jul 24 13:36:01 2001 From: garrett at polytechnic.co.uk (Garrett Coakley) Date: Tue Jul 24 13:36:01 2001 Subject: [thesite] feo update In-Reply-To: References: <20010724160303.7fee6c89.garrett@polytechnic.co.uk> Message-ID: <20010724192041.20e71355.garrett@polytechnic.co.uk> On Tue, 24 Jul 2001 12:41:24 -0400 (EDT) "Warden, Matt" wrote: > I think Adrian will smack you in the face for those custom styles. > > Especially considering those attributes will eventually be customizable by > users. Kinda funny to customize a style that is only used on feo. Well, you said convert the PSD to HTML, so I was going to have to generate the CSS anyway. This way, at least you can see whats changed. If you rip the out, it'll snap back to the look of weo from the tag. At the very least, you've got the hex numbers for the default feo style, so it's win-win *:) > Drop the alternating background. It's hardly noticeable on my crappy > laptop monitor anyway. Ok, if you're ditching the alternate colours, which colour do you want to go for? Or, another suggestion, if you go for white, then the content table can be put back to 98% width, which will stop the text butting up on the right hand side. G. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- WORK: http://spiked.co.uk/ PLAY: http://polytechnic.co.uk/ From mwarden at mattwarden.com Tue Jul 24 13:44:56 2001 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Tue Jul 24 13:44:56 2001 Subject: [thesite] feo update In-Reply-To: <20010724192041.20e71355.garrett@polytechnic.co.uk> Message-ID: On Jul 24, Garrett Coakley had something to say about Re: [thesite] feo update >> I think Adrian will smack you in the face for those custom styles. >> >> Especially considering those attributes will eventually be customizable by >> users. Kinda funny to customize a style that is only used on feo. > >Well, you said convert the PSD to HTML, so I was going to have to >generate the CSS anyway. This way, at least you can see whats changed. If >you rip the out, it'll snap back to the look of weo from >the tag. Doh. I meant the custom classes. Not the style values themselves. >> Drop the alternating background. It's hardly noticeable on my crappy >> laptop monitor anyway. > >Ok, if you're ditching the alternate colours, which colour do you want >to go for? Or, another suggestion, if you go for white, then the content >table can be put back to 98% width, which will >stop the text butting up on the right hand side. Are you asking me for design advice? Bad idea. Plus the fact that I can't tell the difference between the two current colors on my monitor (and I'm too lazy to go check it on my PC). All I can tell you is that the custom classes ain't gonna fly. So ditch em. If white makes your life easier... well, i've never had anything against white. =) Thanks for getting this done, btw. You rockz0rz. -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From roselli at earthlink.net Tue Jul 24 13:50:46 2001 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Tue Jul 24 13:50:46 2001 Subject: [thesite] feo update In-Reply-To: References: <20010724160303.7fee6c89.garrett@polytechnic.co.uk> Message-ID: <200107241850.f6OIojx28516@localhost.localdomain> > From: "Warden, Matt" > > >This is the state of play so far. I've dumped all of the styles from > >isacc.css that are different into a style tag at the top of this page > >to show whats ones would requiring changing for the feo look. > > I think Adrian will smack you in the face for those custom styles. > > Especially considering those attributes will eventually be > customizable by users. Kinda funny to customize a style that is only > used on feo. areed, although i won't smack anyone, since this is just a prototype... > >I've had to create two new styles for the alternating background. > > Drop the alternating background. It's hardly noticeable on my crappy > laptop monitor anyway. i kinda like it, but just be aware that it's a departure from the general style of all the sites... i'm not qualifying that as good or bad, just as a fact... > >I've also tinkered with the html itself, this is commented where it's > >happened (think the only bits are the width of the content cell and > >there's a tr after the title that I've commented out). Didn't know > >how kosher that was *:) > > I think that's ok. The HTML and page layout don't need to be 100% the > same. well, they need to be the same insofar as they can take styles the same, and that they degrade/validate/etc. the same... otherwise, killing a width attribute shouldn't be a big deal, but i can't foresee all the ramifications yet... > >So, there you go. I guess I need to know where we go from here? > > Finish anything that needs finished, whack that alternating > background, and then let me loose on it so I can demonstrate my CF > skillz. more meat recipes, too... From mccreath at ak.net Tue Jul 24 13:55:51 2001 From: mccreath at ak.net (David Mccreath) Date: Tue Jul 24 13:55:51 2001 Subject: [thesite] feo update Message-ID: <9673d7968602.9686029673d7@augustine.gci.net> From: "Warden, Matt" > >>From the html and CSS spat out by weo you get this: > > > >http://members.evolt.org/garrett/feo.html > > rock. Indeed. > >This is the state of play so far. I've dumped all of the styles > from isacc.css > >that are different into a style tag at the top of this page to show > >whats ones would requiring changing for the feo look. > > I think Adrian will smack you in the face for those custom styles. Go ahead and make a new stylesheet for feo, Garrett. That's how we've been handling all the other domains. Any styles that are specific to feo should be commented as such. Just name it something other than isaac.css. The way the stylesheet editor is planned to work (at least according to my latest feeble understanding) is that the default stylesheet for any given domain will be hardcoded and for that domain only, but we'll check for the existence of a custom stylesheet for the user when he or she logs in. Then those values will be pulled from the database. But I don't know if we're even going to allow custom stylesheets on feo. Isaac? Matt? (FWIW, I wouldn't. At least not colors. Maybe just a text larger/smaller widget.) The alternating rows are something that I'm using on aeo as well, and I think they will have uses beyond this as well, so let's settle on a name. I used "altrow1" and "altrow2", but I'm open to anything. They also need to be usable by any element, so probably not prefixed with the "td". Cool? > >I've had to create two new styles for the alternating background. > > Drop the alternating background. It's hardly noticeable on my crappy > laptop monitor anyway. Hold up, cowboy. Your crappy laptop ain't setting the standard for a design that's intended to push the *eo envelope a little. :) If it's hardly noticeable then it doesn't hurt you, and those of us who have nice big monitors with sensitive color display *can* see it and it makes a nice, subtle difference. Garrett, don't drop the alternating colors. D3S1GN3RZ R00L! > >I've also tinkered with the html itself > > I think that's ok. The HTML and page layout don't need to be 100% the > same. I think a little tweaking will be okay. I haven't looked at, but I will later. Shouldn't make much of a difference. > >So, there you go. I guess I need to know where we go from here? > > Finish anything that needs finished, whack that alternating > background,and then let me loose on it so I can demonstrate my CF > skillz. > cool? Yo, no whacking of any alternating colors. Yo. David From garrett at polytechnic.co.uk Tue Jul 24 14:19:18 2001 From: garrett at polytechnic.co.uk (Garrett Coakley) Date: Tue Jul 24 14:19:18 2001 Subject: [thesite] feo update In-Reply-To: <200107241850.f6OIojx28516@localhost.localdomain> References: <20010724160303.7fee6c89.garrett@polytechnic.co.uk> <200107241850.f6OIojx28516@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20010724201943.7626c27c.garrett@polytechnic.co.uk> On Tue, 24 Jul 2001 14:51:30 -0400 "aardvark" wrote: > areed, although i won't smack anyone, since this is just a > prototype... Come on then sunshine.... /me points to his chin ... right there, go on... dare ya *:p > i kinda like it, but just be aware that it's a departure from the > general style of all the sites... i'm not qualifying that as good or > bad, just as a fact... I quite liked it as well, especially the borders on everything. Very cubist. That's why I was trying to work out how to get it in there. Maybe next time. > otherwise, killing a width attribute shouldn't be a big deal, but i > can't foresee all the ramifications yet... Well, no coloured background... no problem. It's gone back to 98% now... Gotta admit, I felt like sneaking a font tag in there, just to see if anyone was awake *;) All yours then I guess Matt? G. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- WORK: http://spiked.co.uk/ PLAY: http://polytechnic.co.uk/ From garrett at polytechnic.co.uk Tue Jul 24 14:29:06 2001 From: garrett at polytechnic.co.uk (Garrett Coakley) Date: Tue Jul 24 14:29:06 2001 Subject: [thesite] feo Message-ID: <20010724201102.269d2580.garrett@polytechnic.co.uk> Pretty much done. Killing the background solved a lot of problems. No more custom class's, and the content table has dropped back to 98%, so structurally it should be pretty close to weo now, with a few minor cosmetic changes. All the tags and class's are in sync though. The only thing is that I'll have to redo the graphics as they were masked against the coloured background. They look a little fuzzy at the minute. They'll appear up there some point tonight. Got a date with the kitchen first. G. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- WORK: http://spiked.co.uk/ PLAY: http://polytechnic.co.uk/ From dsmah at home.com Tue Jul 24 14:31:54 2001 From: dsmah at home.com (Dean Mah) Date: Tue Jul 24 14:31:54 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tips Database In-Reply-To: <3B5C8E68.6080808@starkmedia.com> from "Daniel J. Cody" at Jul 23, 2001 03:51:52 PM Message-ID: <200107241933.NAA02009@alice.monkeyland.ca> De-groovy. Dee-lite. All you need to do is set up a cron job or similar to run the script at 12am Monday. I didn't do it because I wasn't sure how you wanted to handle it. The script should run as the mailman user otherwise I'm guessing that the file ownership would get munged. If you run as a different user, you'll need to add code to fix the ownership and maybe permissions. The script is called thelist.pl and sits in the mbox directory. Dean Daniel J. Cody writes: > Ok, looks like this will work dean.. If its cool, lets just do it in the > perl script.. Have it copy thelist.mbox to > thelist-Week-Of-Mon-XXXXXXXXX.mbox file just like the archives now, > delete thelist.mbox, then touch a new thelist.mbox with these perm's: > -rw-rw-r-- mail mailman > > sound groovey? From roselli at earthlink.net Tue Jul 24 14:34:59 2001 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Tue Jul 24 14:34:59 2001 Subject: [thesite] feo update In-Reply-To: <20010724201943.7626c27c.garrett@polytechnic.co.uk> References: <200107241850.f6OIojx28516@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200107241934.f6OJYxx04248@localhost.localdomain> > From: Garrett Coakley [...] > Gotta admit, I felt like sneaking a font tag in there, just to see if > anyone was awake *;) *that* would be a smack... From mccreath at ak.net Tue Jul 24 14:35:37 2001 From: mccreath at ak.net (David Mccreath) Date: Tue Jul 24 14:35:37 2001 Subject: WAIT! Re: [thesite] feo update Message-ID: <96a3fd96dcd6.96dcd696a3fd@augustine.gci.net> From: Garrett Coakley > > i kinda like it, but just be aware that it's a departure from > > the general style of all the sites... i'm not qualifying that > > as good or bad, just as a fact... > > I quite liked it as well, especially the borders on everything. > Very cubist. That's why I was trying to work out how to get it in > there. Maybe next time. Why not now? We've had three votes for it (aard, me, and isaac, if you count his original design) and one vote against it. I'm not gonna get up on a soapbox here or anything, but adding the alternating class does NOT harm anyone looking at the site. As has been pointed out, they just don't show up for some people depending on their monitor. I have some very specific uses for the alternating row stuff on aeo, and I am using it and nobody's stopping me! [ c'mon, c'mon ... nyuck nyuck nyuck ] Seriously. It is a departure, but it's a worthwhile departure, as are *all* the departures on feo. Please don't consider this conversation closed just yet. > Well, no coloured background... no problem. See above. > Gotta admit, I felt like sneaking a font tag in there, just to see > if anyone was awake *;) Oh, please. Challenge us. ;p > All yours then I guess Matt? The discussion of the alternating row style shouldn't affect the CF, so go ahead and start chopping, Matt, but I'm gonna scream and kick until you say alternating rows are okay. :) David From mwarden at mattwarden.com Tue Jul 24 14:40:42 2001 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Tue Jul 24 14:40:42 2001 Subject: WAIT! Re: [thesite] feo update In-Reply-To: <96a3fd96dcd6.96dcd696a3fd@augustine.gci.net> Message-ID: On Jul 24, David Mccreath had something to say about WAIT! Re: [thesite]... >> All yours then I guess Matt? > >The discussion of the alternating row style shouldn't affect the CF, Sure as hell does. >so >go ahead and start chopping, Matt, but I'm gonna scream and kick until >you say alternating rows are okay. :) Did I say they weren't? Personally, I don't see the point in this particular situation, but that may have something to do with me being cratively impaired. But, the reason I'm not doing the design is so I don't have to deal with stuff like this. So, go wild. Let's just get this done. Less talk. More decision. *whip crack* -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From mccreath at ak.net Tue Jul 24 14:48:28 2001 From: mccreath at ak.net (David Mccreath) Date: Tue Jul 24 14:48:28 2001 Subject: WAIT! Re: [thesite] feo update Message-ID: <9722d696b033.96b0339722d6@augustine.gci.net> From: "Warden, Matt" > On Jul 24, David Mccreath had something to say about WAIT! Re: > [thesite]... > >> All yours then I guess Matt? > > > >The discussion of the alternating row style shouldn't affect the CF, > > Sure as hell does. Oh yeah. It does, doesn't it. Sorry. wasn't thinking. > >so go ahead and start chopping, Matt, but I'm gonna scream and kick > >until you say alternating rows are okay. :) > > Did I say they weren't? Bad grammar. That was a collective "you". > Personally, I don't see the point in this particular situation, > but that may have something to do with me being cratively impaired. > > But, the reason I'm not doing the design is so I don't have to > deal with stuff like this. It's aesthetic, primarily. If the page didn't have the alternating rows, it wouldn't be the end of the world, and if it's easier for you and Garrett to finish the site without them, then so be it. I can let it go on this. > So, go wild. Let's just get this done. Less talk. More decision. I leave it up to Garrett at this point. He just said he's got more work to do either way, so it's his call. Garrett, the only thing I ask is that we settle on a name for the class. If you decide you are going to use them, let me know what you think of altrow1 and altrow2. If you decide to drop them for feo, then I'll just use those and they will become the standard. > *whip crack* Gimmee that, punk. David From garrett at polytechnic.co.uk Tue Jul 24 14:51:35 2001 From: garrett at polytechnic.co.uk (Garrett Coakley) Date: Tue Jul 24 14:51:35 2001 Subject: [thesite] feo update In-Reply-To: <9673d7968602.9686029673d7@augustine.gci.net> References: <9673d7968602.9686029673d7@augustine.gci.net> Message-ID: <20010724202710.0e78f46d.garrett@polytechnic.co.uk> On Tue, 24 Jul 2001 10:56:18 -0800 David Mccreath wrote: > Garrett, don't drop the alternating colors. Dagnabbit! Tell you what, I'll sit over here with my styles and my coffe and you lot give me a call when you've decided *:) /me opens the newspaper G. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- WORK: http://spiked.co.uk/ PLAY: http://polytechnic.co.uk/ From mccreath at ak.net Tue Jul 24 14:54:58 2001 From: mccreath at ak.net (David Mccreath) Date: Tue Jul 24 14:54:58 2001 Subject: [thesite] feo update Message-ID: <96dce9971986.97198696dce9@augustine.gci.net> From: Garrett Coakley > On Tue, 24 Jul 2001 10:56:18 -0800 > David Mccreath wrote: > > > Garrett, don't drop the alternating colors. > > Dagnabbit! Watch your language, bucko. > Tell you what, I'll sit over here with my styles and my coffe and > you lot give me a call when you've decided *:) Read the "WAIT!" replies. Thanks, Garrett. David From mwarden at mattwarden.com Tue Jul 24 15:17:50 2001 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Tue Jul 24 15:17:50 2001 Subject: [thesite] feo update In-Reply-To: <20010724160303.7fee6c89.garrett@polytechnic.co.uk> Message-ID: >Hi folks, > >Okay, it's getting there. > >>From the html and CSS spat out by weo you get this: > >http://members.evolt.org/garrett/feo.html > >This is the state of play so far. I've dumped all of the styles from isacc.css that are different into a style tag at the top of this page to show whats ones would requiring changing for the feo look. > >I've had to create two new styles for the alternating background. At the minute these are td.content1 and td.content2, but as you'll see from the comments in the page, this is just a work in progress, so any other solutions on how best to sort this out within the realms of the evolt structure are graetfully received. > >I've also tinkered with the html itself, this is commented where it's happened (think the only bits are the width of the content cell and there's a tr after the title that I've commented out). Didn't know how kosher that was *:) > >Ignore the rough antialiasing on the top of the salad bowl.. had a bad graphics day. > >So, there you go. I guess I need to know where we go from here? > >G. Excellent. And I know mccreath is gonna yell at me, but i really like that alternating background. heh. Must be that damn Beer Virus going around... From garrett at polytechnic.co.uk Tue Jul 24 15:45:01 2001 From: garrett at polytechnic.co.uk (Garrett Coakley) Date: Tue Jul 24 15:45:01 2001 Subject: [thesite] feo update In-Reply-To: <96dce9971986.97198696dce9@augustine.gci.net> References: <96dce9971986.97198696dce9@augustine.gci.net> Message-ID: <20010724210956.2d551bf1.garrett@polytechnic.co.uk> On Tue, 24 Jul 2001 11:55:25 -0800 David Mccreath wrote: > Read the "WAIT!" replies. Have done. I'm easy either way.....*drum roll* http://members.evolt.org/garrett/feo.html - White bg, 98% width content table as per weo http://members.evolt.org/garrett/feo2.html - Alternating background, with 100% content table and news styles Takes ya pick *:) G. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- WORK: http://spiked.co.uk/ PLAY: http://polytechnic.co.uk/ From sgd at ti3.com Tue Jul 24 15:48:02 2001 From: sgd at ti3.com (Scott Dexter) Date: Tue Jul 24 15:48:02 2001 Subject: [thesite] feo update Message-ID: > > http://members.evolt.org/garrett/feo2.html > - Alternating background, with 100% content table and news styles > my pick sgd From djc at starkmedia.com Tue Jul 24 15:51:32 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Tue Jul 24 15:51:32 2001 Subject: [thesite] feo update References: <96dce9971986.97198696dce9@augustine.gci.net> <20010724210956.2d551bf1.garrett@polytechnic.co.uk> Message-ID: <3B5DDDB3.4060102@starkmedia.com> +1 why does it seem so skinny compared to the other evolt sites? Garrett Coakley wrote: > http://members.evolt.org/garrett/feo2.html > - Alternating background, with 100% content table and news styles From jeff at members.evolt.org Tue Jul 24 15:51:41 2001 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff) Date: Tue Jul 24 15:51:41 2001 Subject: [thesite] feo update In-Reply-To: <20010724210956.2d551bf1.garrett@polytechnic.co.uk> Message-ID: garrett, :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : From: Garrett Coakley : : http://members.evolt.org/garrett/feo2.html :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ i prefer this one with the alternating rows, but with padding to keep the text away from the edge. .jeff http://evolt.org/ jeff at members.evolt.org http://members.evolt.org/jeff/ From martin at members.evolt.org Tue Jul 24 15:52:32 2001 From: martin at members.evolt.org (Martin) Date: Tue Jul 24 15:52:32 2001 Subject: [thesite] feo update Message-ID: <064ce1853201871PCOW025M@blueyonder.co.uk> Garrett Coakley wrote on 24/7/01 10:09 pm >http://members.evolt.org/garrett/feo2.html >- Alternating background, with 100% content table and news styles Like this one. Both seem to have the page and recipe headings butting up to the top of their cell - can they get spaced down a bit? Cheers Martin _______________________________________________ email: martin at easyweb.co.uk PGP ID: 0xA835CCCB martin at members.evolt.org snailmail: 30 Shandon Place tel: +44 (0)774 063 9985 Edinburgh, url: http://www.easyweb.co.uk Scotland From garrett at polytechnic.co.uk Tue Jul 24 16:11:17 2001 From: garrett at polytechnic.co.uk (Garrett Coakley) Date: Tue Jul 24 16:11:17 2001 Subject: [thesite] feo update In-Reply-To: <064ce1853201871PCOW025M@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <064ce1853201871PCOW025M@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <20010724221030.2e8802d7.garrett@polytechnic.co.uk> On Tue, 24 Jul 2001 21:53:16 +0100 Martin wrote: > Both seem to have the page and recipe headings butting up to the > top of their cell - can they get spaced down a bit? Done, I've added in 10px padding on the right and 5 on the top. Cheers Mr. B G. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- WORK: http://spiked.co.uk/ PLAY: http://polytechnic.co.uk/ From mccreath at ak.net Tue Jul 24 16:18:06 2001 From: mccreath at ak.net (David Mccreath) Date: Tue Jul 24 16:18:06 2001 Subject: [thesite] feo update Message-ID: <97ebb697f9c8.97f9c897ebb6@augustine.gci.net> > http://members.evolt.org/garrett/feo2.html > - Alternating background, with 100% content table and news styles Rawk. David From djc at starkmedia.com Tue Jul 24 16:18:14 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Tue Jul 24 16:18:14 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tips Database References: <200107241933.NAA02009@alice.monkeyland.ca> Message-ID: <3B5DE3F2.9010309@starkmedia.com> groove is in the heart.. good to go, running at 12:01 every monday thanks deano Dean Mah wrote: > De-groovy. Dee-lite. > > All you need to do is set up a cron job or similar to run the script > at 12am Monday. I didn't do it because I wasn't sure how you wanted > to handle it. > > The script should run as the mailman user otherwise I'm guessing that > the file ownership would get munged. If you run as a different user, > you'll need to add code to fix the ownership and maybe permissions. > > The script is called thelist.pl and sits in the mbox directory. > > Dean > > > Daniel J. Cody writes: > > >>Ok, looks like this will work dean.. If its cool, lets just do it in the >>perl script.. Have it copy thelist.mbox to >>thelist-Week-Of-Mon-XXXXXXXXX.mbox file just like the archives now, >>delete thelist.mbox, then touch a new thelist.mbox with these perm's: >>-rw-rw-r-- mail mailman >> >>sound groovey? >> > > _______________________________________________ > For unsubscribe, archive, and options, go to: > http://lists.evolt.org/mailman/listinfo/thesite > From djc at starkmedia.com Tue Jul 24 16:22:08 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Tue Jul 24 16:22:08 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tips Database References: <000601c11303$21d80780$2f01010a@dti2> Message-ID: <3B5DE4DC.5030505@starkmedia.com> seth, all the posts are in thelist table like dean desc'd, use the 'evolttest' datasource need anything else? Seth Bienek wrote: >>in the meantime seth, do you wanna get started with some basic stuff >> > > I'd be happy to. Hook a brutha up. :) From mwarden at mattwarden.com Tue Jul 24 16:25:47 2001 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Tue Jul 24 16:25:47 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tips Database In-Reply-To: <3B5DE3F2.9010309@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: >X-evolt: D3S1GN3RZ R00L! rock. From javier at msm.cl Tue Jul 24 16:47:52 2001 From: javier at msm.cl (mantruc) Date: Tue Jul 24 16:47:52 2001 Subject: [thesite] map - the FSFE way References: <200107241245.GAA00902@alice.monkeyland.ca> Message-ID: <3B5DECA8.77AB0CF7@msm.cl> Dean Mah wrote: > > Heh, we already have something like this: > > http://members.evolt.org/dmah/Map/ > > Still building the database backend, entry system, and making an > imagemap out of the whole thing. can you output a flat projection? -- javier http://mantruc.com From dsmah at home.com Tue Jul 24 17:04:14 2001 From: dsmah at home.com (Dean Mah) Date: Tue Jul 24 17:04:14 2001 Subject: [thesite] map - the FSFE way In-Reply-To: <3B5DECA8.77AB0CF7@msm.cl> from "mantruc" at Jul 24, 2001 05:46:16 PM Message-ID: <200107242204.QAA02360@alice.monkeyland.ca> mantruc writes: > Dean Mah wrote: > > > > Heh, we already have something like this: > > > > http://members.evolt.org/dmah/Map/ > > > > Still building the database backend, entry system, and making an > > imagemap out of the whole thing. > > can you output a flat projection? Rectangular is as close as you get. The maps are generated by a program called xplanet. Dean From dsmah at home.com Tue Jul 24 17:08:19 2001 From: dsmah at home.com (Dean Mah) Date: Tue Jul 24 17:08:19 2001 Subject: [thesite] map - the FSFE way In-Reply-To: <3B5DB131.29F9FC11@msm.cl> from "mantruc" at Jul 24, 2001 01:32:33 PM Message-ID: <200107242209.QAA02382@alice.monkeyland.ca> This is just a side project for me. I don't want it to take away from the Flash version. My version doesn't scale very well. The maps that it generates are pretty big (500K) depending on the output size. It looks a lot better as a background on my desktop. It's kind of interesting to watch day break and night fall on evolters. Might throw in the option to grab the cloud image overlays that are generated evry 6 hours. If you want to work on a form, I can tack it on and hopefully it will be useful for the Flash version. I was thinking of allowing decimal lat. and long. co-ordinates, name, and city. Dean mantruc writes: > Dean, let me know how to help you on the form design is that your > latest schema? > > > Joxn writes: > >> we wanted to use Flash, didn't we? > > i don't think i *has* to be in Flash From javier at msm.cl Tue Jul 24 17:25:56 2001 From: javier at msm.cl (mantruc) Date: Tue Jul 24 17:25:56 2001 Subject: [thesite] map - the FSFE way References: <200107242209.QAA02382@alice.monkeyland.ca> Message-ID: <3B5DF580.5F09F32C@msm.cl> Dean Mah wrote: > > This is just a side project for me. I don't want it to take away from > the Flash version. My version doesn't scale very well. The maps that > it generates are pretty big (500K) depending on the output size. It > looks a lot better as a background on my desktop. It's kind of > interesting to watch day break and night fall on evolters. Might > throw in the option to grab the cloud image overlays that are > generated evry 6 hours. ok, i thought it was cool, but we still need something more apropriate (sp?) > If you want to work on a form, I can tack it on and hopefully it will > be useful for the Flash version. I was thinking of allowing decimal > lat. and long. co-ordinates, name, and city. K, send it along Sorry for getting it right, let me know where we're at for the Flash version Joxn, Bruce, where are we, was the map i sent ok is it usefull if i sent the maps source for the one i have on members.evolt.org/mantruc/map/map2.html anthough it doesn't mark the guides? -- javier http://mantruc.com From seth at sethbienek.com Tue Jul 24 19:40:50 2001 From: seth at sethbienek.com (Seth Bienek) Date: Tue Jul 24 19:40:50 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tips Database In-Reply-To: <3B5DE4DC.5030505@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <000001c114a2$2e7bfe60$2f01010a@dti2> Hey Dan, I am getting an error when I try to access that table: Seth "The statistics on sanity are that one out of every four Americans is suffering from some form of mental illness. Think of your three best friends. If they're okay, then it's you." -Rita Mae Brown ----------------------------------- Seth Bienek Digitaris Technologies, Inc. tel (972) 690-4131, ext. 103 fax (972) 690-0617 icq 7673959 ----------------------------------- > -----Original Message----- > From: thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org > [mailto:thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Daniel J. Cody > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 4:13 PM > To: thesite at lists.evolt.org > Subject: Re: [thesite] Tips Database > > > seth, > > all the posts are in thelist table like dean desc'd, use the 'evolttest' > datasource > > need anything else? > > > Seth Bienek wrote: > > >>in the meantime seth, do you wanna get started with some basic stuff > >> > > > > I'd be happy to. Hook a brutha up. :) > > > > > _______________________________________________ > For unsubscribe, archive, and options, go to: > http://lists.evolt.org/mailman/listinfo/thesite > From seth at sethbienek.com Tue Jul 24 19:42:15 2001 From: seth at sethbienek.com (Seth Bienek) Date: Tue Jul 24 19:42:15 2001 Subject: [thesite] Tips Database In-Reply-To: <3B5DE4DC.5030505@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <000101c114a2$6e776360$2f01010a@dti2> > all the posts are in thelist table like dean desc'd, use the 'evolttest' > datasource I get the following error when I try to access the table: "ORA-00942: table or view does not exist" Is it possible that the tabloe isn't there or that the DSN is set up incorrectly? Seth "The statistics on sanity are that one out of every four Americans is suffering from some form of mental illness. Think of your three best friends. If they're okay, then it's you." -Rita Mae Brown ----------------------------------- Seth Bienek Digitaris Technologies, Inc. tel (972) 690-4131, ext. 103 fax (972) 690-0617 icq 7673959 ----------------------------------- From isaac at members.evolt.org Tue Jul 24 22:15:53 2001 From: isaac at members.evolt.org (isaac) Date: Tue Jul 24 22:15:53 2001 Subject: WAIT! Re: [thesite] feo update In-Reply-To: <9722d696b033.96b0339722d6@augustine.gci.net> Message-ID: hey, what happened to the dividing lines? that made the blue and orange split more obvious. of the two, this is better: http://members.evolt.org/garrett/feo2.html but it REALLY needs the dividing lines. (see the dividing lines here: http://www.triplezero.com.au/isaac/evolt/food/food3.jpg) i would prefer that FEO not be styled by users. that would mean having to provide versions of images aliased against differently coloured backgrounds. bleargh. FEO is *meant* to look different. keep the black tab, but under that, you can style away (we're aiming for valid code obviously). any complaints with that from anyone? also, i want the "food for hungry minds" to look perfect, so make that a GIF (spacing is critical). it'll be big enough for ALT text to show nicely anyway. ditto with RECIPES and CHEFS if possible. my PSD also should've had 2-3 thingies to sit at the top of the sidebar - knife, fork, and whatever the other thing was. chopsticks would be cool. sidebar styling also needs to be modified colour-wise (black titles) specifically. i would also prefer no bullet points for the links below each title. we also need a third (and perhaps) fourth frontdoor styling for other sections. alcoholic drinks will probably change to drinks (matt?), and something like "starters" will be intro'ed to include salads, soups, etc. garrett, i've sent you the rating icon (a cleaver) offlist). isaac From mwarden at mattwarden.com Wed Jul 25 07:58:56 2001 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Wed Jul 25 07:58:56 2001 Subject: WAIT! Re: [thesite] feo update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Jul 25, isaac had something to say about RE: WAIT! Re: [thesite] feo update >2-3 thingies to sit at the top of the sidebar - knife, fork, and whatever >the other thing was. chopsticks would be cool. That was dropped from the design. That's quite a departure from the architecture of the other evolt sites and personally I wasn't going to push garrett to try to figure that one out. Once he's done with the design, though, I'll be happy to drop you FTP details to add this yourself, if you'd like. >sidebar styling also needs to be modified colour-wise (black titles) >specifically. i would also prefer no bullet points for the links below each >title. > >we also need a third (and perhaps) fourth frontdoor styling for other >sections. Who? Ok, are those rows alternating colors/colours or does each one have its own color/colour? And if you are assigning each row a different colo(u)r, are you going to want to continue that in the category browsing section and articles for that section or just drop it after the first page. I still don't see the reason for this coloring. The dividers were fine. >alcoholic drinks will probably change to drinks (matt?), and Yup. See food.evolt.org for the current categories. >something like "starters" will be intro'ed to include salads, soups, etc. I don't have this category in there yet. I'll add this when I get a chance (and figure out the new hoops I have to jump through to ssh into oracle =P ) garrett, just let me know when this is finalized. images and stylings of other sections don't affect me much at all, so leave these for last and let me know when you have all but these completed. it looks like there are only one or two small things that need changed (dividers, sidebar colors, bullets, graphics for those few words). tha's all. ZzzzoooOOOOOOOOoooommmmmmmm!