From djc at starkmedia.com Tue May 1 00:17:16 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Tue May 1 00:17:16 2001 Subject: [thesite] [Admin] oracle again.. Message-ID: <3AEE6450.6090605@starkmedia.com> er. test.evolt.org is up and running.. *now* i'm going to bed :) Daniel J. Cody wrote: its finally talking to CF.. i'm going to bed though.. i'll set up all the datasources for you guys tomorrow ___________________________________________________ Once I had a little game I like to call back in my brain. I think you know the game I mean, I mean the game called go insane. From djc at starkmedia.com Tue May 1 09:45:52 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Tue May 1 09:45:52 2001 Subject: [thesite] April stats for evolt.. Message-ID: <3AEECB98.C9BB6F9C@starkmedia.com> fresh from the oven.. http://browsers.evolt.org/stats/stats.apr2001.html quickie findings: 274,596 *page* views 1,401,671 hits 41.413 Gbytes transferred and the big one, IMHO: 75,303 distinct hosts servered. errata: the 'hits' numbers are a big skewed because some of the m.e.o accounts have about 200 images per page(those that had vbulliten notably) however, i dont think the m.e.o accounts really affected our stats other than that.. they only accounted for about 15-20K page views in all, and about 5 GB of that data transferred(warez kiddies) google powered search engines sent over 125K referers our way last month. we're ranking close to(if not) #1 for a lot of search terms now(content management system for one) which is really cool.. we should *really* send the google engineers some t-shirts :) 'dreamweaver templates' and 'javascript redirect' were the two most popular search terms.. All in all, the growth continues.. Maybe if i get bored I'll do some projections :) .djc. From mwarden at mattwarden.com Thu May 3 15:19:05 2001 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Matt) Date: Thu May 3 15:19:05 2001 Subject: [thesite] comments Message-ID: <3AF1BCFE.003DFF.00402@baldrick.anytimenow.com> Ok, the anchor added to the URL that the client is redirected to after submitting a comment is wrong. It looks like this: http://evolt.org/article/view/cid/aid/index.html#comment I can think of two possibilities here. Either: 1. It's just a typo and it was supposed to be #comments 2. It is supposed to include the commentid of the just- submitted comment and it should look like: #comment10214, but for some reason the ID ain't gettin' thar. dig? looks like a quick fix, especially if the first is the situation. -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From r937 at interlog.com Fri May 4 18:35:26 2001 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Fri May 4 18:35:26 2001 Subject: [thesite] question for whoever coded the logout process Message-ID: <01c0d4f0$c4c8afe0$d351149a@rudy> regarding this url -- http://evolt.org/logout/index.html?http_referer=section%3Darticle%26subsect i on%3Dview%26params%3D20%2C2321&cfid=614457&cftoken=23500070 this is the url of the page i ended up on after logging out, or at least that's what i assume it is, after noticing it in my history file (don't ask me why i logged out, i just did) so i'm guessing this is the url that the logout link "sends you to" (the target of the form action) to log somebody out, don't you just delete their session id based on looking it up using cfid and cftoken? at least that's what i remember from session ids, although i'm not too clear on how they are looked up or deleted what's the purpose of the referer? is this being logged somewhere for analysis purposes? (curious as to what difference it would make knowing that) is it maybe vetted against the last page the user requested? (interesting security feature) is it used to re-direct them back to the page that requested the logout? (why not send them to a generic "bye now" page?) confused in canada From mwarden at mattwarden.com Sat May 5 20:38:18 2001 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Sat May 5 20:38:18 2001 Subject: [thesite] base url on t.e.o Message-ID: <00eb01c0d5cd$1b419a30$93ac1b18@patk3mzsmhxpqb> thesite, Hey, the base URL on test.evolt.org is: Causing a bit of a problem with the submission of test articles ;-) -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From mwarden at odyssey-design.com Sat May 5 20:44:13 2001 From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Sat May 5 20:44:13 2001 Subject: [thesite] base url on t.e.o References: <00eb01c0d5cd$1b419a30$93ac1b18@patk3mzsmhxpqb> Message-ID: <00fb01c0d5cd$ee84dab0$93ac1b18@patk3mzsmhxpqb> bah! scratch this... The problem is that the 'Submit' URL in the header changes the URL to http://evolt.org/... -- mattwarden mattwarden.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warden, Matt" To: Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2001 9:37 PM Subject: [thesite] base url on t.e.o > thesite, > > Hey, the base URL on test.evolt.org is: > > > > Causing a bit of a problem with the submission of test articles ;-) > > > > -- > mattwarden > mattwarden.com > > > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/ > and new & improved kentucky fried old archives: > http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/ > From djc at starkmedia.com Wed May 9 13:08:41 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Wed May 9 13:08:41 2001 Subject: [thesite] logins with ns4 Message-ID: <3AF9873B.F00595AB@starkmedia.com> does anyone else get an error after checking the 'remember me' box in NS4? just wondering.. From djc at members.evolt.org Mon May 14 16:22:47 2001 From: djc at members.evolt.org (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Mon May 14 16:22:47 2001 Subject: [thesite] new weo server up and running.. Message-ID: <3B004C56.F8B7503D@members.evolt.org> http://weo.evolt.org its running a snapshot of the code from saturday, the data is about a week old.. it may be a bit slow cus i dont have all the memory in there yet, but its mostly good to go. ifanyoneisinterested, this is a brand new server that we put together, again from contributions(a huge one by bob, yay!). this is probably the fastest box, all around, that i've ever configd.. in keeping with history, we're running some cutting edge software on this box.. linux 2.4.4 with the XFS 1.0 release for starters. XFS really kicks ass(its been getting a lot of attention on slashdot lately) for reasons i wont bore you with here :) also, the linux 2.4.4 kernel is a *ton* faster than the old 2.2 kernels, especially for webserving. once cf5 rolls, i'd like to get a copy of that up there as well since that is supposed to increase performance on linux upto 300%.. 5.4ms seek time drives, shitload of RAM(soon) and a nice fast CPU & mobo all make for a kick ass new webserver :) so, slam it around a bit and try to slow it down.. tomorrow i'll probably be dropping the rest of my RAM in it - so if you notice anything *really* slow, it could be that, but let me know.. if all goes well, i'd like to switch everything over on wednesday night. and finally drop oracular.. so, give it a whirl and lets break it in.. thanks :) .djc. From djc at members.evolt.org Mon May 14 17:38:36 2001 From: djc at members.evolt.org (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Mon May 14 17:38:36 2001 Subject: [thesite] [Fwd: [Admin] new weo server up and running..] Message-ID: <3B005E19.7B8D4C42@members.evolt.org> lists have been wanky all day, hopefully they're fixed now.. this if for those of you that didnt get this the first time -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Admin] new weo server up and running.. Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 16:21:26 -0500 From: "Daniel J. Cody" Reply-To: admin at lists.evolt.org To: admin at lists.evolt.org, thesite at lists.evolt.org http://weo.evolt.org its running a snapshot of the code from saturday, the data is about a week old.. it may be a bit slow cus i dont have all the memory in there yet, but its mostly good to go. ifanyoneisinterested, this is a brand new server that we put together, again from contributions(a huge one by bob, yay!). this is probably the fastest box, all around, that i've ever configd.. in keeping with history, we're running some cutting edge software on this box.. linux 2.4.4 with the XFS 1.0 release for starters. XFS really kicks ass(its been getting a lot of attention on slashdot lately) for reasons i wont bore you with here :) also, the linux 2.4.4 kernel is a *ton* faster than the old 2.2 kernels, especially for webserving. once cf5 rolls, i'd like to get a copy of that up there as well since that is supposed to increase performance on linux upto 300%.. 5.4ms seek time drives, shitload of RAM(soon) and a nice fast CPU & mobo all make for a kick ass new webserver :) so, slam it around a bit and try to slow it down.. tomorrow i'll probably be dropping the rest of my RAM in it - so if you notice anything *really* slow, it could be that, but let me know.. if all goes well, i'd like to switch everything over on wednesday night. and finally drop oracular.. so, give it a whirl and lets break it in.. thanks :) .djc. ___________________________________________________ Once I had a little game I like to call back in my brain. I think you know the game I mean, I mean the game called go insane. From djc at members.evolt.org Tue May 15 10:07:54 2001 From: djc at members.evolt.org (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Tue May 15 10:07:54 2001 Subject: [thesite] anyone got a bit of time? Message-ID: <3B0145FA.34AA0C0E@members.evolt.org> heya - anyone thats halfway decent with CF have some time to run through the code and just insert some comments here and there? nothing big, just making sure everything is tidy and in its place and OK for the general public to see.. This would be a good opportunity for someone that hasn't felt comfortable contributing anything yet to get their feet wet with the code and help out in a 'not alot of pressure' way. :) anyways, thanks :) .djc. From judi at frognet.net Tue May 15 10:29:29 2001 From: judi at frognet.net (Judith Taylor) Date: Tue May 15 10:29:29 2001 Subject: [thesite] anyone got a bit of time? In-Reply-To: <3B0145FA.34AA0C0E@members.evolt.org> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010515112818.00a3a010@mail.frognet.net> I'd be interested.. :o) Judith Daniel J. Cody put into words: >heya - > >anyone thats halfway decent with CF have some time to run through the >code and just insert some comments here and there? nothing big, just >making sure everything is tidy and in its place and OK for the general >public to see.. > > >This would be a good opportunity for someone that hasn't felt >comfortable contributing anything yet to get their feet wet with the >code and help out in a 'not alot of pressure' way. :) > > >anyways, thanks :) Judith Taylor ICQ: 67460562 Freelance ColdFusion Developer - Athens, OH Friends don't let friends code before coffee. From bobd at members.evolt.org Tue May 15 10:42:19 2001 From: bobd at members.evolt.org (Bob Davis) Date: Tue May 15 10:42:19 2001 Subject: [thesite] anyone got a bit of time? In-Reply-To: <3B0145FA.34AA0C0E@members.evolt.org> Message-ID: <200105151542.f4FFg7809928@chmls06.mediaone.net> I can do some. It'd probably be good for me to see some CF code again...haven't really done anything with it in a while. bob On Tuesday, May 15, 2001, at 11:06 AM, Daniel J. Cody wrote: > heya - > > anyone thats halfway decent with CF have some time to run through the > code and just insert some comments here and there? nothing big, just > making sure everything is tidy and in its place and OK for the general > public to see.. -- bob davis bobd at members.evolt.org From djc at starkmedia.com Tue May 15 10:47:14 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Tue May 15 10:47:14 2001 Subject: [thesite] anyone got a bit of time? References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010515112818.00a3a010@mail.frognet.net> Message-ID: <3B014F32.89631486@starkmedia.com> rock.. i'll email you and bob the passwords offlist.. anyone else is still free to join in too.. this is happening so we can *finally* release the source for out little CMS .djc. Judith Taylor wrote: > > > I'd be interested.. :o) > > Judith > > > > Daniel J. Cody put into words: > >heya - > > > >anyone thats halfway decent with CF have some time to run through the > >code and just insert some comments here and there? nothing big, just > >making sure everything is tidy and in its place and OK for the general > >public to see.. > > > > > >This would be a good opportunity for someone that hasn't felt > >comfortable contributing anything yet to get their feet wet with the > >code and help out in a 'not alot of pressure' way. :) > > > > > >anyways, thanks :) > > Judith Taylor > ICQ: 67460562 > Freelance ColdFusion Developer - Athens, OH > > Friends don't let friends code before coffee. > > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/ > and new & improved kentucky fried old archives: > http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/ From djc at starkmedia.com Tue May 15 10:51:34 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Tue May 15 10:51:34 2001 Subject: [thesite] slashdot article today.. Message-ID: <3B015039.9E1C43E@starkmedia.com> the author of http://slashdot.org/articles/01/05/15/0113223.shtml has http://www.evolt.org linked for their name(like i do :) and we've gotten 200+ referers today from slashdot just from *that* nothing big, but pretty cool and just something i noticed in the referer logs today.. .djc. From McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us Tue May 15 11:06:14 2001 From: McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us (McCreath_David) Date: Tue May 15 11:06:14 2001 Subject: [thesite] unused files Message-ID: <9627DBCB3063D311BC4B00902785C55F02A1276A@EXPO1> Hey, Dan -- I've got a list of files that I think are no longer being used on the site, based on the file structure that you gave me a few weeks back. It's not quite done, but I could plow through it here pretty quick. Would that be helpful or have you already deleted all the old stuff? David From djc at starkmedia.com Tue May 15 11:08:29 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Tue May 15 11:08:29 2001 Subject: [thesite] unused files References: <9627DBCB3063D311BC4B00902785C55F02A1276A@EXPO1> Message-ID: <3B01542E.468210C4@starkmedia.com> already deleted alot of the directories from the old site.. that would be nice if you could plow through t.e.o and see if everything matches up though :) McCreath_David wrote: > > Hey, Dan -- > > I've got a list of files that I think are no longer being used on the site, > based on the file structure that you gave me a few weeks back. It's not > quite done, but I could plow through it here pretty quick. Would that be > helpful or have you already deleted all the old stuff? > > David > > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/ > and new & improved kentucky fried old archives: > http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/ From McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us Tue May 15 11:22:19 2001 From: McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us (McCreath_David) Date: Tue May 15 11:22:19 2001 Subject: [thesite] unused files Message-ID: <9627DBCB3063D311BC4B00902785C55F02A1276B@EXPO1> >-----Original Message----- >From: Daniel J. Cody > >already deleted alot of the directories from the old site.. that would >be nice if you could plow through t.e.o and see if everything >matches up though :) Just to make sure I'm clear, the files currently be looked at and commented are on t.e.o? Or on the new box? Here's the file listing that I put together for the root directory. These are files that are no longer being used as far as I can tell. If we can get some confirmation, either from the folks doing the commenting or the folks who know the system better than I, then I reckon we can delete them, eh? criteria: 1. presence of a link like this: 2. presence of tags 3. presence of this: 4. some common sense Probably not in use 4.5.html add.cfm application2.cfm applicationold2.cfm center.cfm checkpass.cfm comm.cfm community.cfm contact.cfm contribbox.cfm delete.cfm discussion.cfm entryform.cfm faq.cfm front.cfm front2.cfm front_old.cfm front_was.cfm frontbak.cfm frontold.cfm getheaders.cfm head_disc.gif head_site.gif head_soft.gif headers.cfm hor_divider.gif log_small.gif logo.gif logout.cfm logowt.cfm mailart.cfm mailuserpass.cfm marleneart.cfm menu.cfm new_styles.cfm newsearch.cfm notes.cfm onrequest.cfm otherbox.bak.cfm otherbox.cfm post.cfm queryoutput.cfm regform.cfm register.cfm register2.cfm search.cfm search2.cfm searchbox.cfm sendart.cfm showart.cfm showcat.cfm showuser.cfm style.cfm stylenew.cfm stylenew2.cfm templateforstaticpages.cfm thankyou.cfm top_center.gif update.cfm update_article.cfm validate.cfm ver_divider.cfm whatevolt.cfm whyjoin.cfm workers_evolt.gif Maybe in use * change_old_links.cfm -- I think we've got the SSURLs worked out so that we don't need this, but maybe it should stay there anyway... * fu2a.cfm -- it looks like at some point this was used in the SSURLs, but I'm not sure * move_from_long_to_clob.cfm * pageresults.cfm -- can't really tell. it looks old, but it doesn't meet any of the criteria listed above * uta.cfm Not sure about xml.cfm and xml_head.cfm. If the files in the xml directory are already in use, can these two files be deleted from the root? David From djc at starkmedia.com Tue May 15 11:39:54 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Tue May 15 11:39:54 2001 Subject: [thesite] unused files References: <9627DBCB3063D311BC4B00902785C55F02A1276B@EXPO1> Message-ID: <3B015B8E.B2017B47@starkmedia.com> McCreath_David wrote: > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Daniel J. Cody > > > >already deleted alot of the directories from the old site.. that would > >be nice if you could plow through t.e.o and see if everything > >matches up though :) > > Just to make sure I'm clear, the files currently be looked at and commented > are on t.e.o? Or on the new box? ya, they're on t.e.o right now, which isn't the new box.. once we have got everything commented and trimmed down, we can migrate it to w.e.o > Here's the file listing that I put together for the root directory. These > are files that are no longer being used as far as I can tell. If we can get > > Probably not in use > > 4.5.html > add.cfm [snip] ok, that looks right to me > Maybe in use > * change_old_links.cfm -- I think we've got the SSURLs worked out so that we > don't need this, but maybe it should stay there anyway... > * fu2a.cfm -- it looks like at some point this was used in the SSURLs, but > I'm not sure > * move_from_long_to_clob.cfm > * pageresults.cfm -- can't really tell. it looks old, but it doesn't meet > any of the criteria listed above > * uta.cfm fu2a.cfm is the custom tag that does SSURLS and i know we're using the rest(jeff, rudy and I) so we'll just hang onto those for now :) thanks david From jeff at members.evolt.org Tue May 15 13:38:30 2001 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (jeff) Date: Tue May 15 13:38:30 2001 Subject: [thesite] unused files In-Reply-To: <9627DBCB3063D311BC4B00902785C55F02A1276B@EXPO1> Message-ID: david, :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : From: McCreath_David : : Here's the file listing that I put together : for the root directory. These are files that : are no longer being used as far as I can tell. : If we can get some confirmation, either from : the folks doing the commenting or the folks : who know the system better than I, then I : reckon we can delete them, eh? : : criteria: : : 1. presence of a link like this: : 2. presence of tags : 3. presence of this: : 4. some common sense :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ it might also be helpful to go after files in another fashion -- qualifying them as currently used files. that way we can determine unused files in the entire file structure and get rid of them leaving only valid, currently used files in place. there are going to be a few files that don't match either criteria. these are likely to live in the root directory and be used for development purposes or are linked to directly (which we should eliminate). criteria: 1. present in a cfinclude 2. called via cf_ notation :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : 4.5.html - unused : add.cfm - unused : application.cfm - unused : application2.cfm - unused : applicationold2.cfm - unused : bench.cfm - unused : bio.cfm - unused : catmenu.cfm - unused : center.cfm - unused : checkpass.cfm - unused : comm.cfm - unused : community.cfm - unused : contact.cfm - unused : contribbox.cfm - unused : dan.cfm - unused : dantest.cfm - unused : delete.cfm - unused : discussion.cfm - unused : dsp_header2.cfm - unused : entryform.cfm - unused : evolt oracular.apj - unused : evolt_rdf.gif - unused : evoltsource.apj - unused : faq.cfm - unused : footer.cfm - unused : front.cfm - unused : front2.cfm - unused : front_old.cfm - unused : front_was.cfm - unused : frontbak.cfm - unused : frontold.cfm - unused : getheaders.cfm - unused : head_disc.gif - unused : head_site.gif - unused : head_soft.gif - unused : headers.cfm - unused : hor_divider.gif - unused : index.htm - unused : index.old.cfm - unused : index_old_005252000.cfm - unused : index_was.cfm - unused : indexdan.cfm - unused : indexold.cfm - unused : linklist.cfm - unused : log_small.gif - unused : login.cfm - unused : loginbak.cfm - unused : loginbox.cfm - unused : logminibox.cfm - unused : logo.gif - unused : logout.cfm - unused : logowt.cfm - unused : mailart.cfm - unused : mailuserpass.cfm - unused : marleneart.cfm - unused : menu.cfm - unused : new_styles.cfm - unused : newsearch.cfm - unused : notes.cfm - unused : onrequest.cfm - unused : otherbox.bak.cfm - unused : otherbox.cfm - unused : post.cfm - unused : regform.cfm - unused : register.cfm - unused : register2.cfm - unused : save_styles.cfm - unused : search.cfm - unused : search2.cfm - unused : searchbox.cfm - unused : sendart.cfm - unused : showart.cfm - unused : showcat.cfm - unused : showuser.cfm - unused : style.cfm - unused : stylenew.cfm - unused : stylenew2.cfm - unused : templateforstaticpages.cfm - unused : test_queryoutput.cfm - unused : thankyou.cfm - unused : top_center.gif - unused : update.cfm - unused : update_article.cfm - unused : validate.cfm - unused : validate_css.html - unused : ver_divider.cfm - unused : whatevolt.cfm - unused : whyjoin.cfm - unused : workers_evolt.gif - unused : * change_old_links.cfm - unused : * fu2a.cfm -- - unused :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ all the files listed above can be deleted. :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : queryoutput.cfm :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ custom tag used for development :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : * move_from_long_to_clob.cfm :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ used in an attempt to migrate data in the database from one datatype to another. :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : * pageresults.cfm :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ custom tag used on thesite to display the previous n/next n links at the bottom of article/user listings. :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : * uta.cfm :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ used on thesite to parse the url into name/value pairs. :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : xml.cfm : xml_head.cfm : : If the files in the xml directory are : already in use, can these two files be : deleted from the root? :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ i believe they may be used in some fashion. however, the files in the xml directory *should* be the ones used and these should be deleted in addition to the two following files: rdf.cfm rdf_head.cfm the following files are currently in use in the root: add_synopsis.cfm app_404.cfm app_article.cfm app_chooser.cfm app_comment.cfm app_contact.cfm app_faq.cfm app_jeff.cfm app_login.cfm app_logout.cfm app_member.cfm app_rating.cfm app_rdf.cfm app_search.cfm app_style.cfm app_user.cfm app_xml.cfm Application.cfm avantgo_design.cfm def_article.cfm def_comment.cfm def_home.cfm def_member.cfm def_rating.cfm def_user.cfm down_design.cfm dsp_404.cfm dsp_debug.cfm dsp_footer.cfm dsp_header.cfm dsp_sidebar.cfm favicon.ico gpl.txt headers.cfm home_design.cfm index.cfm isaac.css pageresults.cfm print.css print_design.cfm queryoutput.cfm README.txt robots.txt tab_nav.css tagstripper.cfm uta.cfm thanks, .jeff name://jeff.howden game://web.development http://www.evolt.org/ mailto:jeff at members.evolt.org From djc at starkmedia.com Tue May 15 15:13:27 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Tue May 15 15:13:27 2001 Subject: [thesite] simons d.e.o pages.. Message-ID: <3B018D8C.DFCB8794@starkmedia.com> hey, in case you diddnt see what simon coggins was working on http://members.evolt.org/astro38/evolt/index.php a directory for web design - pretty cool. someone on thelist brought up a good point about using a different style.. David, do we have any 'extra' color schemes laying around that we could use instead of the b.e.o blue? it would be cool if he could use one of them at any rate.. la la la.. cracking the whip today :) From McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us Tue May 15 17:46:07 2001 From: McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us (McCreath_David) Date: Tue May 15 17:46:07 2001 Subject: [thesite] simons d.e.o pages.. Message-ID: <9627DBCB3063D311BC4B00902785C55F02A1276F@EXPO1> I mention f.e.o below, and I wasn't sure if that's public knowledge yet. That's why this is offlist. Do people know about f.e.o yet? I know it's been mentioned on admin, but not in any detail, and I don't recall seeing it on thesite yet. >From: Daniel J. Cody > >someone on thelist brought up a good point about using a different >style.. David, do we have any 'extra' color schemes laying around that >we could use instead of the b.e.o blue? it would be cool if he >could use one of them at any rate.. http://members.evolt.org/mccreath/evolt/www0120emerald.html http://members.evolt.org/mccreath/evolt/www0120purple.html Those are the only two from the rearranged triplet that haven't been used to date. FWIW, the other purple one has already been claimed by Matt, I believe. The whole shootin' match is here: http://members.evolt.org/mccreath/evolt/colorschemes.html From McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us Tue May 15 17:48:22 2001 From: McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us (McCreath_David) Date: Tue May 15 17:48:22 2001 Subject: [thesite] unused files Message-ID: <9627DBCB3063D311BC4B00902785C55F02A12770@EXPO1> Thanks, Jeff! >-----Original Message----- >From: jeff [...] >thanks, > >.jeff From djc at starkmedia.com Tue May 15 18:05:32 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Tue May 15 18:05:32 2001 Subject: [thesite] simons d.e.o pages.. References: <9627DBCB3063D311BC4B00902785C55F02A1276F@EXPO1> Message-ID: <3B01B579.F8929FB8@starkmedia.com> McCreath_David wrote: > > I mention f.e.o below, and I wasn't sure if that's public knowledge yet. > That's why this is offlist. Do people know about f.e.o yet? I know it's been > mentioned on admin, but not in any detail, and I don't recall seeing it on > thesite yet. > > >From: Daniel J. Cody > > > >someone on thelist brought up a good point about using a different > >style.. David, do we have any 'extra' color schemes laying around that > >we could use instead of the b.e.o blue? it would be cool if he > >could use one of them at any rate.. > > http://members.evolt.org/mccreath/evolt/www0120emerald.html > > http://members.evolt.org/mccreath/evolt/www0120purple.html > > Those are the only two from the rearranged triplet that haven't been used to > date. FWIW, the other purple one has already been claimed by Matt, I > believe. ahh.. OK.. ya food is ok to talk abotu here i guess, theres only about 7 of us that ever speak anyways ;) me thinks we just need some more themes :) From McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us Tue May 15 18:10:37 2001 From: McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us (McCreath_David) Date: Tue May 15 18:10:37 2001 Subject: [thesite] simons d.e.o pages.. Message-ID: <9627DBCB3063D311BC4B00902785C55F02A12773@EXPO1> Me having big brain day, yesyesyes. Yeah, we could use some new themes. At the top of the color schemes page, there's a link to Adrian's site that has a couple, but I don't know if those are available for public use. Don't just go willy-nilly installing W2K Service Pack 2 if you have a Logitech Wheel Mouse. I got a big ugly blue screen from some conflict between the Web Wheel software (or whatever) and something in the SP. Pretty much a whole morning shot. >-----Original Message----- >From: Daniel J. Cody > >ahh.. OK.. ya food is ok to talk abotu here i guess, theres >only about 7 >of us that ever speak anyways ;) > >me thinks we just need some more themes :) From elfur at members.evolt.org Tue May 15 18:29:42 2001 From: elfur at members.evolt.org (Elfur Logadottir) Date: Tue May 15 18:29:42 2001 Subject: [thesite] simons d.e.o pages.. References: <9627DBCB3063D311BC4B00902785C55F02A1276F@EXPO1> <3B01B579.F8929FB8@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <097601c0dd96$fa3eb3a0$40aefea9@DWARFS> From: "Daniel J. Cody" | me thinks we just need some more themes :) | this sounds like a splendid idea for the community ... < ... exits the interfering one> From djc at starkmedia.com Tue May 15 23:24:43 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Tue May 15 23:24:43 2001 Subject: [thesite] newer people.. Message-ID: <3B021EE6.1030105@starkmedia.com> hey noticed about 5 new people on ths list join up today, welcome.. things we're discussing right now: 1.) new styles for evolt sites to compliment our current styles 2.) lookiing for help in documenting/commenting our code so we can release it 3.) user information on the users info page or you can get up to speed by reading the archives from the past couple weeks: http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/ welcome and thanks for helping out :) .djc. From isaac at members.evolt.org Wed May 16 04:36:09 2001 From: isaac at members.evolt.org (Isaac Forman) Date: Wed May 16 04:36:09 2001 Subject: [thesite] simons d.e.o pages.. In-Reply-To: <3B01B579.F8929FB8@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: > ahh.. OK.. ya food is ok to talk abotu here i guess, theres only about 7 > of us that ever speak anyways ;) didn't know you had it up and running/testing. woohoo! must remember to start writing up recipes... isaac -------------------------------------------------------------- triple zero digital | upstairs at 200 the parade, norwood 5067 0414 758 000 | www.triplezero.com.au | isaac at triplezero.com.au From djc at starkmedia.com Wed May 16 09:48:56 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Wed May 16 09:48:56 2001 Subject: [thesite] simons d.e.o pages.. References: Message-ID: <3B029257.F5AF495F@starkmedia.com> ya, matts been working on it for a bit now.. isac, didnt you have some styles for the new site laying around at one point? Isaac Forman wrote: > > > ahh.. OK.. ya food is ok to talk abotu here i guess, theres only about 7 > > of us that ever speak anyways ;) > > didn't know you had it up and running/testing. woohoo! > > must remember to start writing up recipes... From ronwhite at members.evolt.org Wed May 16 11:48:22 2001 From: ronwhite at members.evolt.org (Ron White) Date: Wed May 16 11:48:22 2001 Subject: [thesite] simons d.e.o pages.. In-Reply-To: <9627DBCB3063D311BC4B00902785C55F02A12773@EXPO1> Message-ID: And where exactly did you get a copy of service pack 2?? I haven't heard anything about it and its not on the windowsupdate page... Thanks, Ron White From isaac at members.evolt.org Wed May 16 23:04:30 2001 From: isaac at members.evolt.org (Isaac Forman) Date: Wed May 16 23:04:30 2001 Subject: [thesite] slashdot article today.. In-Reply-To: <3B015039.9E1C43E@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: > the author of > http://slashdot.org/articles/01/05/15/0113223.shtml > > has http://www.evolt.org linked for their name(like i do :) and we've > gotten 200+ referers today from slashdot just from *that* i've mentioned this on admin, but for everyone else on thesite, this was me. i have to admit that i was not expecting it to generate 200 referrers... (maybe 5-10). can't complain... :) isaac -------------------------------------------------------------- triple zero digital | upstairs at 200 the parade, norwood 5067 0414 758 000 | www.triplezero.com.au | isaac at triplezero.com.au From judi at frognet.net Thu May 17 10:27:44 2001 From: judi at frognet.net (Judith Taylor) Date: Thu May 17 10:27:44 2001 Subject: [thesite] No locks used? Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010517112119.00a2acf0@mail.frognet.net> In going through the code for thesite, I noticed that you are setting a lot of session vars....without locking them. Since I'm basically doing some of the commenting, I thought I would bring this to your attention....let ya'll decide if you wanted them locked. :o) Judith Judith Taylor ICQ: 67460562 Freelance ColdFusion Developer - Athens, OH Friends don't let friends code before coffee. From michele at wordpro.on.ca Thu May 17 12:53:20 2001 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Thu May 17 12:53:20 2001 Subject: [thesite] Members' Directory/Pages Message-ID: <009501c0defa$3bc30240$4be9a1d1@mef> Hi folks, Time to bring this conversation to one central location so that we can all discuss it and get a team put together to take this project through to completion. My understanding is this. Rudy has volunteered and been working on the database set up for the new members pages. Erik has suggested that the following items be added to the DB. a. Name/contact infos b. Skill set - searchable c. Examples of work <= 5 URLs d. 255 character description/commentary on b-c - maybe searchable e. Location - searchable f. Willing to freelance - searchable g. More info/examples can be found at http://non-evolt-url Ideally, all members info should be synched from one datasource. Dan will need to provide details on the task of synching the weo, meo and leo databases. To quote Erik: "The application I did that I think has most of the basic CF code and SQL needed is a monster.com-like employment service - so has skill categories, contact info, forms to insert, delete and update data and a search screen for everything ... as well as an admin area." Rudy, what needs to be done? Can you coordinate with Erik what his application does, and how we can use that and wrap the other members info page(s) into it? Dan, can we use just the one database for ALL information? (After the synching is done of course.) Members info is in Oracle already I think? Or should it be worked on in Access locally, then transferred over to teo for testing and integration? You guys would know far better than I how to do this. I'm guessing CF and Access will/can talk to each other? Let's discuss .... put a plan in action, assign tasks, set deliverables, etc. (Acting like *thewife* ) Michele From michele at wordpro.on.ca Thu May 17 13:01:05 2001 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Thu May 17 13:01:05 2001 Subject: [thesite] Abbreviations and Welcome to the New Folks on Here Message-ID: <009801c0defb$52d32220$4be9a1d1@mef> Hi everyone, Welcome to the new folks on here. Since there are have been several new folks signed up to this list lately, here's a list of the common abbreviations that we use: weo = evolt.org (main web site) meo = members.evolt.org leo = lists.evolt.org teo = tests.evolt.org (being put back into current working order this week) deo = directory.evolt.org (not official yet, but this is for Simon's directory) feo = doesn't exist per se (a project Matt's working on) aeo = theNag (theWife) And, if anyone has any questions, just ask. We don't bite!! It's great to have new volunteers. Anyone bored, looking for something to do, introduce yourself, let us know your interests, skills, what you would *like* to do, I guarantee there's at least one task that needs completing. Some of the projects in the works or needing to be assigned include: theNag (theWife) - a job/task tracking project that djc's working on feo - food.evolt.org - Matt's working on this more stylesheets - Dave McCreath (see samples here http://members.evolt.org/mccreath/evolt/colorschemes.html) - We need some more options created that we can use for different sites (like deo needs a unique colour scheme) commenting code - I think this has been assigned, not sure if more assistance is required Members Database/Directory - see previous email, Erik and Rudy coordinating efforts That's all I can think of off the top of my head. I'll let those responsible for a task/project elaborate and let us all know what help/assistance is required. Bye for now, Michele From joshua at alphashop.net Thu May 17 13:03:05 2001 From: joshua at alphashop.net (Joshua OIson) Date: Thu May 17 13:03:05 2001 Subject: [thesite] Members' Directory/Pages References: <009501c0defa$3bc30240$4be9a1d1@mef> Message-ID: <063e01c0defb$d85dd700$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> Michelle, It sounds like we are talking about a resume builder, to a certain degree? And, at that, it sounds like you want to mimic monster.com and their functionality? Am I understanding correctly? I've done some work with resume builders in CF, so we may be able to use a little of that in the process. Basically, resumes have a *lot* in information. Some of the info is repeatable any number of times (experience items) etc. So, I've got some proven techniques to simplify the db structure if we want to go the full-blown resume builder route. -joshua From michele at wordpro.on.ca Thu May 17 13:13:40 2001 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Thu May 17 13:13:40 2001 Subject: [thesite] Members' Directory/Pages References: <009501c0defa$3bc30240$4be9a1d1@mef> <063e01c0defb$d85dd700$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> Message-ID: <00b801c0defd$137809e0$4be9a1d1@mef> Joshua, Between what you have and what Erik has, perhaps we'll be able to coordinate the two efforts to get what it is we need/want for the members info pages. I don't think we really want a resume builder application per se. Not like what you see on typical resume sites. But, it's all still in the definition stages. Do you have any database schemes we can look at? Actually, for Rudy and Erik to look at and compare the existing members schema and then we can decide what additional fields/information we need to add. I'll let Rudy pipe up here and explain the evolt database. Michele (P.S. Joshua, can I bug ya with a few absolutely very basic CF questions offlist?) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua OIson" | Michelle, | | It sounds like we are talking about a resume builder, to a certain degree? | And, at that, it sounds like you want to mimic monster.com and their | functionality? Am I understanding correctly? I've done some work with | resume builders in CF, so we may be able to use a little of that in the | process. | | Basically, resumes have a *lot* in information. Some of the info is | repeatable any number of times (experience items) etc. So, I've got some | proven techniques to simplify the db structure if we want to go the | full-blown resume builder route. From r937 at interlog.com Thu May 17 13:27:56 2001 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Thu May 17 13:27:56 2001 Subject: [thesite] Members' Directory/Pages Message-ID: <01c0deff$05b5c840$9f49149a@rudy> > I don't think we really want a resume builder application per se. > Not like what you see on typical resume sites. But, it's all still in > the definition stages. hi michele actually, the concept and database design have been in ready-to-start-coding stage since http://members.evolt.org/rudy/codefest2.html =o) the following database tables for the member pages look real nice if you have a fixed font -- SQL> describe member Name Null? Type ------------------------------- -------- ---- MEMBERID NOT NULL NUMBER(8) CREATEDATE NOT NULL DATE DATEMOD NOT NULL DATE FIRSTNAME NOT NULL VARCHAR2(50) LASTNAME NOT NULL VARCHAR2(50) PRIV NOT NULL NUMBER(1) ACTIVE NOT NULL NUMBER(1) SQL> describe attribute Name Null? Type ------------------------------- -------- ---- ATTRID NOT NULL NUMBER(8) ATTRNAME NOT NULL VARCHAR2(50) SQL> describe membattr Name Null? Type ------------------------------- -------- ---- MEMBATTRID NOT NULL NUMBER(8) MEMBERID NOT NULL NUMBER(8) ATTRID NOT NULL NUMBER(8) SEQ NOT NULL NUMBER(2) PRIV NOT NULL NUMBER(1) ATTRVALUE VARCHAR2(255) REMARKS VARCHAR2(255) note that MEMBER will have a 1-to-many relationship to w.e.o's USER records, i.e. each member can have one or more login ids, and each login id will point to the member record that "owns" it the attributes will be things like email, phone, url, icq#, etc. MEMBATTR is the many-to-many intersection record PRIV is, well, too much to go into right now... > Erik has suggested that the following items be added to the DB. the individual person's values all go into the MEMBATTR table, which points back to the ATTRIBUTE table for the description of what kind of attribute it is examples on request rudy From joshua at alphashop.net Thu May 17 13:28:51 2001 From: joshua at alphashop.net (Joshua OIson) Date: Thu May 17 13:28:51 2001 Subject: [thesite] Members' Directory/Pages References: <009501c0defa$3bc30240$4be9a1d1@mef> <063e01c0defb$d85dd700$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> <00b801c0defd$137809e0$4be9a1d1@mef> Message-ID: <06c001c0deff$77f7f720$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> The schemes I have in mind, and have used in the past to compile resume data, is actually very very rudimentary. Basically, you would take the form struct as it comes in, wddx it, and store it in a repository for later compilation! If you need to edit it, just grab the info from the db, un wddx it, and it's back into the form struct again. All you have to do it plop it back into the original form for editing. Very simple, and amazingly robust, even if you add or remove elements from the forms that produced them. The only complex part of the scheme is indexing the stored forms so that you know who owns the data, from which application/page of the builder it originated, etc. But, once you get the hashing algorithm in place, it's a piece of cake. This schema is not inherently compatible or incompatible with the user records already in place, since all it's doing is store forms of information, which can then be compiled into working resumes or stored in some other tables. The benefit in this case would be *rapid* development of the user interface and step through process of building complex resumes... even if the process is 20 steps with multiple iterations of any of the steps. But, I'm rambling... time to go back to work! -joshua ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michele Foster" Subject: Re: [thesite] Members' Directory/Pages > Joshua, > > Do you have any database schemes we can look at? Actually, for Rudy and > Erik to look at and compare the existing members schema and then we can > decide what additional fields/information we need to add. > > I'll let Rudy pipe up here and explain the evolt database. > > Michele From ronwhite at members.evolt.org Thu May 17 13:30:01 2001 From: ronwhite at members.evolt.org (Ron White) Date: Thu May 17 13:30:01 2001 Subject: [thesite] Abbreviations and Welcome to the New Folks on Here In-Reply-To: <009801c0defb$52d32220$4be9a1d1@mef> Message-ID: I've been pretty much power lurking on here for awhile. My skills are limited to HTML, JS, VBscript, ASP and some SQL. So if there's some basic coding that needs to be done lemme know... Thanks, Ron White -----Original Message----- From: thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Michele Foster Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 2:01 PM To: thesite at lists.evolt.org Subject: [thesite] Abbreviations and Welcome to the New Folks on Here Hi everyone, Welcome to the new folks on here. Since there are have been several new folks signed up to this list lately, here's a list of the common abbreviations that we use: weo = evolt.org (main web site) meo = members.evolt.org leo = lists.evolt.org teo = tests.evolt.org (being put back into current working order this week) deo = directory.evolt.org (not official yet, but this is for Simon's directory) feo = doesn't exist per se (a project Matt's working on) aeo = theNag (theWife) And, if anyone has any questions, just ask. We don't bite!! It's great to have new volunteers. Anyone bored, looking for something to do, introduce yourself, let us know your interests, skills, what you would *like* to do, I guarantee there's at least one task that needs completing. Some of the projects in the works or needing to be assigned include: theNag (theWife) - a job/task tracking project that djc's working on feo - food.evolt.org - Matt's working on this more stylesheets - Dave McCreath (see samples here http://members.evolt.org/mccreath/evolt/colorschemes.html) - We need some more options created that we can use for different sites (like deo needs a unique colour scheme) commenting code - I think this has been assigned, not sure if more assistance is required Members Database/Directory - see previous email, Erik and Rudy coordinating efforts That's all I can think of off the top of my head. I'll let those responsible for a task/project elaborate and let us all know what help/assistance is required. Bye for now, Michele _______________________________________________ http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/ and new & improved kentucky fried old archives: http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/ From michele at wordpro.on.ca Thu May 17 13:53:16 2001 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Thu May 17 13:53:16 2001 Subject: [thesite] Members' Directory/Pages References: <01c0deff$05b5c840$9f49149a@rudy> Message-ID: <00e501c0df02$9c80f6c0$4be9a1d1@mef> Rudy, Thanks .. didn't realize members could assign their own attributes. Will this enable searching of the data as Erik suggested? Or will we need to have a list of pre-defined attributes? What needs to be done to move forward on this project? Is this independent of the members' database that Dan's synching for weo, leo, meo sites? Or do we wait until the rest is synched then we can get this moving? CF code exists from Erik and Joshua ... how best to incorporate and collaborate? I'm just attempting to coordinate .. I've not a clue about it all in reality. Michele ----- Original Message ----- From: "rudy" | | the following database tables for the member pages look real nice if you | have a fixed font -- From joshua at alphashop.net Thu May 17 14:01:41 2001 From: joshua at alphashop.net (Joshua OIson) Date: Thu May 17 14:01:41 2001 Subject: [thesite] Sidebar minimize bug References: <01c0deff$05b5c840$9f49149a@rudy> <00e501c0df02$9c80f6c0$4be9a1d1@mef> Message-ID: <070c01c0df04$0da67590$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> I was on evolt changing my user preferences, then I minimized the sidebar. Instead of being returned to where I was, I was magically teleported to the find users section! It looks like the url param action=edit is being lost somewhere. Thanx -joshua From colette at wi.rr.com Thu May 17 14:02:11 2001 From: colette at wi.rr.com (Colette Brown) Date: Thu May 17 14:02:11 2001 Subject: intro (was [thesite] Abbreviations and Welcome to the New Folks on Here) In-Reply-To: <009801c0defb$52d32220$4be9a1d1@mef> References: <009801c0defb$52d32220$4be9a1d1@mef> Message-ID: <80108062776.20010517135758@wi.rr.com> Thursday, May 17, 2001, 1:00:56 PM, michele at wordpro.on.ca wrote: > Anyone bored, looking for something to do, introduce > yourself, let us know your interests, skills, what you would *like* to do, I > guarantee there's at least one task that needs completing. Hi, I would like to help out, but I'm not sure I can do that much. I don't know ColdFusion yet. (I've seen CF code, but I've never had to work with it.) For my day job, I do ASP code using VBScript, and I work with MS Access and SQL Server. I'm learning about PHP and MySQL on my own. If possible, I'd like to help out with the job/task tracking project or the members directory. Most of my experience has been coding parts of admin tools for different sites, and I would like to learn how to make things from scratch. I'm definitely not picky though. I suppose working on any of the projects would be a good chance to learn ColdFusion. Anyway, feel free to contact me. Nice meeting everyone. %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Colette Brown Blog: http://ziatroyano.org From djc at starkmedia.com Thu May 17 14:04:21 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Thu May 17 14:04:21 2001 Subject: [thesite] Abbreviations and Welcome to the New Folks on Here References: Message-ID: <3B041E3A.F0CAE05C@starkmedia.com> Thanks ron :) Interested in whipping up some fun new stylesheets? :) There's also the d.e.o stuff that needs to be run through, its PHP, but just the functionality and stuff needs to be updated.. and the stylesheet :) we need themes i guess is what it comes down to :) maybe i should make a call on thelist for people to conritbute themes? Ron White wrote: > > I've been pretty much power lurking on here for awhile. My skills are > limited to HTML, JS, VBscript, ASP and some SQL. So if there's some basic > coding that needs to be done lemme know... From djc at starkmedia.com Thu May 17 14:05:46 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Thu May 17 14:05:46 2001 Subject: [bug] [thesite] Sidebar minimize bug References: <01c0deff$05b5c840$9f49149a@rudy> <00e501c0df02$9c80f6c0$4be9a1d1@mef> <070c01c0df04$0da67590$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> Message-ID: <3B041E8C.EE9178@starkmedia.com> just chaning the subject for my own filters :) Joshua OIson wrote: > > I was on evolt changing my user preferences, then I minimized the sidebar. > Instead of being returned to where I was, I was magically teleported to the > find users section! It looks like the url param action=edit is being lost > somewhere. > > Thanx > > -joshua > > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/ > and new & improved kentucky fried old archives: > http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/ From gozz at gozz.com Thu May 17 14:06:46 2001 From: gozz at gozz.com (Erik Mattheis) Date: Thu May 17 14:06:46 2001 Subject: [thesite] Members' Directory/Pages In-Reply-To: <00b801c0defd$137809e0$4be9a1d1@mef> References: <009501c0defa$3bc30240$4be9a1d1@mef> <063e01c0defb$d85dd700$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> <00b801c0defd$137809e0$4be9a1d1@mef> Message-ID: My thought on the member directory is that it should aim facilitating collaboration between evolt members - UNITE! - like only be accessible to evolt members, and probably keep it's very existence hidden from people that aren't list members - otherwise eventually some headhunter or similar is going to be bugging people, and people will use it as an on-line resume service - for which there's plenty of options out there already. The reason I mentioned the site I did is that it has everything necessary to accomplish the above objective - and a lot of other stuff which should be taken out - in fact, I think it should contain just enough information to help people find each other. Michele - I'll send the table definitions Rudy sent to me. It uses what I'd refer to as a "look up table" where two tables kind of play off each other so rows in a single table can contain any type of information ... Question for someone familiar with the database: Will the fact that it's Oracle make it OK to use up a row in the MEMBATTR table to just hold a boolean value, etc? Or should we think of adding some tables specifically for this? -- - Erik Mattheis "For best results, pronounce muh THEIGH ess." (612) 827 3963 From djc at starkmedia.com Thu May 17 14:22:21 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Thu May 17 14:22:21 2001 Subject: intro (was [thesite] Abbreviations and Welcome to the New Folks on Here) References: <009801c0defb$52d32220$4be9a1d1@mef> <80108062776.20010517135758@wi.rr.com> Message-ID: <3B04226D.EF91C680@starkmedia.com> Hey Colette - Good to have another member from wisconsin :) Colette Brown wrote: > learning about PHP and MySQL on my own. how comfortable are you with those? there is one app we do have written in php/mysql that simon coggins wrote.. > If possible, I'd like to help out with the job/task tracking project > or the members directory. Most of my experience has been coding parts > of admin tools for different sites, and I would like to learn how to > make things from scratch. I'm definitely not picky though. I > suppose working on any of the projects would be a good chance to learn > ColdFusion. I'm the one that wrote thewife(job tracking) and i'll get back to everyone on that probably tomorrow.. I'm syncing up the databases this week with that and aftre that i'll start coding again and will need some help :) Thanks to everyone for pitching in!! this rocks :) From djc at starkmedia.com Thu May 17 14:35:11 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Thu May 17 14:35:11 2001 Subject: [thesite] Members' Directory/Pages References: <01c0deff$05b5c840$9f49149a@rudy> Message-ID: <3B04256D.59DC31B1@starkmedia.com> rudy, jeff - shouldnt there be a 'scheme' field in the users table? so like when joebob decides he wants to have theme '1' from the schemes table as his theme, it gets marked somewhere? or is that somewhere else? just diggin through and wondering rudy wrote: > > > I don't think we really want a resume builder application per se. > > Not like what you see on typical resume sites. But, it's all still in > > the definition stages. From colette at wi.rr.com Thu May 17 14:38:11 2001 From: colette at wi.rr.com (Colette Brown) Date: Thu May 17 14:38:11 2001 Subject: intro (was [thesite] Abbreviations and Welcome to the New Folks on Here) In-Reply-To: <3B04226D.EF91C680@starkmedia.com> References: <009801c0defb$52d32220$4be9a1d1@mef> <80108062776.20010517135758@wi.rr.com> <3B04226D.EF91C680@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <135110461585.20010517143757@wi.rr.com> Thursday, May 17, 2001, 2:11:41 PM, djc at starkmedia.com wrote: > Good to have another member from wisconsin :) Thanks. Nice to be here. There doesn't seem to be many of us, does there? > how comfortable are you with those? there is one app we do have written > in php/mysql that simon coggins wrote.. I'm more familiar with PHP than MySQL at the moment. But, so far, it doesn't seem like a big leap for me. I would think that MySQL is used with PHP in a similar fashion as Access and SQL Server are with ASP. Just different languages, and syntax. I use SQL queries regularly, so I think that helps. I could definitely help out with coding tasks. %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Colette Brown Blog: http://ziatroyano.org From djc at starkmedia.com Thu May 17 14:39:56 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Thu May 17 14:39:56 2001 Subject: [thesite] No locks used? References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010517112119.00a2acf0@mail.frognet.net> Message-ID: <3B042689.4F7FF9E0@starkmedia.com> judith - we'll have to wait for jeff to chime in on this, but thanks for bringing it up :) hows the commenting coming? Judith Taylor wrote: > > In going through the code for thesite, I noticed that you are setting a lot > of session vars....without locking them. > > Since I'm basically doing some of the commenting, I thought I would bring > this to your attention....let ya'll decide if you wanted them locked. > > :o) > > Judith > > Judith Taylor > ICQ: 67460562 > Freelance ColdFusion Developer - Athens, OH > > Friends don't let friends code before coffee. > > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/ > and new & improved kentucky fried old archives: > http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/ From ronwhite at members.evolt.org Thu May 17 14:45:56 2001 From: ronwhite at members.evolt.org (Ron White) Date: Thu May 17 14:45:56 2001 Subject: [thesite] Abbreviations and Welcome to the New Folks on Here In-Reply-To: <3B041E3A.F0CAE05C@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: What eggzachery do ya want in terms of stylesheets?? Gimme an outline or tell me where there's a current one and I'll see what I can come up with... I've touched PHP about 2 years ago... Thanks, Ron White From ronwhite at members.evolt.org Thu May 17 14:47:01 2001 From: ronwhite at members.evolt.org (Ron White) Date: Thu May 17 14:47:01 2001 Subject: [thesite] Members' Directory/Pages In-Reply-To: Message-ID: probably keep it's very existence hidden from people that aren't list members + 1 billion I already get plenty of Junque mail :-) Ron From McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us Thu May 17 14:52:06 2001 From: McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us (McCreath_David) Date: Thu May 17 14:52:06 2001 Subject: [thesite] Abbreviations and Welcome to the New Folks on Here Message-ID: <9627DBCB3063D311BC4B00902785C55F02A1278B@EXPO1> Ron -- If you go here: http://members.evolt.org/mccreath/evolt/colorschemes.html you'll see the whole history. What we have in production on the evolt sites currently are all simple rearrangements of the RGB triplet that was used to create the green background for w.e.o. They're all basically monochromatic, except for the l.e.o site, which uses red as it's base, and since light red tends toward pink, we used gray instead. Look at any of the samples above and you can get the related stylesheet. All we're looking for right now is new color schemes. The font faces, etc. shouldn't need changing. In particular look at aardvark's samples that are linked from the top of the page; there are some examples that go beyond the original RGB triplet. Holler if you have more questions. David >-----Original Message----- >From: thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org >[mailto:thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Ron White >Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 11:45 AM >To: thesite at lists.evolt.org >Subject: RE: [thesite] Abbreviations and Welcome to the New Folks on >Here > > >What eggzachery do ya want in terms of stylesheets?? Gimme an >outline or >tell me where there's a current one and I'll see what I can >come up with... >I've touched PHP about 2 years ago... > >Thanks, >Ron White > > > >_______________________________________________ >http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/ >and new & improved kentucky fried old archives: >http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/ > From michele at wordpro.on.ca Thu May 17 15:10:11 2001 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Thu May 17 15:10:11 2001 Subject: New Stylesheets .... was ... Re: [thesite] Abbreviations and Welcome to the New Folks on Here References: <9627DBCB3063D311BC4B00902785C55F02A1278B@EXPO1> Message-ID: <015401c0df0d$5ea340a0$4be9a1d1@mef> To add to what David said, I've put up a zip file of a snapshot of weo. Included are the images, existing stylesheet (isaac.css), and two htm files, one for the homepage, one for an article. The more samples, options, variations we get the better. http://members.evolt.org/Mishka/evoltfiles.zip David, feel free to add this zip file to your site. Michele ----- Original Message ----- From: "McCreath_David" | If you go here: | | http://members.evolt.org/mccreath/evolt/colorschemes.html | | you'll see the whole history. | From ronwhite at members.evolt.org Thu May 17 15:15:16 2001 From: ronwhite at members.evolt.org (Ron White) Date: Thu May 17 15:15:16 2001 Subject: [thesite] Abbreviations and Welcome to the New Folks on Here In-Reply-To: <9627DBCB3063D311BC4B00902785C55F02A1278B@EXPO1> Message-ID: Does it have to be web safe or can I expand out? Thanks, Ron White -----Original Message----- From: thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of McCreath_David Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 3:52 PM To: 'thesite at lists.evolt.org' Subject: RE: [thesite] Abbreviations and Welcome to the New Folks on Here Ron -- If you go here: http://members.evolt.org/mccreath/evolt/colorschemes.html you'll see the whole history. What we have in production on the evolt sites currently are all simple rearrangements of the RGB triplet that was used to create the green background for w.e.o. They're all basically monochromatic, except for the l.e.o site, which uses red as it's base, and since light red tends toward pink, we used gray instead. Look at any of the samples above and you can get the related stylesheet. All we're looking for right now is new color schemes. The font faces, etc. shouldn't need changing. In particular look at aardvark's samples that are linked from the top of the page; there are some examples that go beyond the original RGB triplet. Holler if you have more questions. David >-----Original Message----- >From: thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org >[mailto:thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Ron White >Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 11:45 AM >To: thesite at lists.evolt.org >Subject: RE: [thesite] Abbreviations and Welcome to the New Folks on >Here > > >What eggzachery do ya want in terms of stylesheets?? Gimme an >outline or >tell me where there's a current one and I'll see what I can >come up with... >I've touched PHP about 2 years ago... > >Thanks, >Ron White > > > >_______________________________________________ >http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/ >and new & improved kentucky fried old archives: >http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/ > _______________________________________________ http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/ and new & improved kentucky fried old archives: http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/ From michele at wordpro.on.ca Thu May 17 15:21:21 2001 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Thu May 17 15:21:21 2001 Subject: [thesite] Members' Directory/Pages References: <01c0deff$05b5c840$9f49149a@rudy> Message-ID: <015901c0df0e$ed1fe300$4be9a1d1@mef> Rudy, I have a couple of questions. (1) Why is PRIV on both member and membattr tables? I thought we only needed one PRIV? I know what the values are for the "member" table, but what are the proposed values for the membattr table and how do they differ? (not sure if this can be discussed on here or not, if the answer is simply they will be different, they are both required, that's fine) (2) What is SEQ on the membattr table? (3) What are REMARKS for? Will the member be able to use this field? and if so, umm.. what's its intended use, that it won't be an attribute already defined? (4) Are ATTRVALUE and REMARKS set to be 255 characters? (Is that what it means in Oracle?) i.e. a text field not a memo field (Access terms). What about making Remarks a memo field (clob?), then members can enter a description, more info, etc. than that defined by an attribute. (Hi, I'm joe user from Toronto, Ontario, I'm 33, single male, never been married, yadda, yadda ) If we want to go one step further and incorporate Joshua's resume builder, that will require additional memo (clob??) fields? Feasibility? One final question, do you have a list of attributes already created? Thanks, Michele ----- Original Message ----- From: "rudy" | | SQL> describe member | Name Null? Type | ------------------------------- -------- ---- | MEMBERID NOT NULL NUMBER(8) | CREATEDATE NOT NULL DATE | DATEMOD NOT NULL DATE | FIRSTNAME NOT NULL VARCHAR2(50) | LASTNAME NOT NULL VARCHAR2(50) | PRIV NOT NULL NUMBER(1) | ACTIVE NOT NULL NUMBER(1) | | SQL> describe attribute | Name Null? Type | ------------------------------- -------- ---- | ATTRID NOT NULL NUMBER(8) | ATTRNAME NOT NULL VARCHAR2(50) | | SQL> describe membattr | Name Null? Type | ------------------------------- -------- ---- | MEMBATTRID NOT NULL NUMBER(8) | MEMBERID NOT NULL NUMBER(8) | ATTRID NOT NULL NUMBER(8) | SEQ NOT NULL NUMBER(2) | PRIV NOT NULL NUMBER(1) | ATTRVALUE VARCHAR2(255) | REMARKS VARCHAR2(255) | From ronwhite at members.evolt.org Thu May 17 15:34:48 2001 From: ronwhite at members.evolt.org (Ron White) Date: Thu May 17 15:34:48 2001 Subject: New Stylesheets .... was ... Re: [thesite] Abbreviations and Welcome to the New Folks on Here In-Reply-To: <015401c0df0d$5ea340a0$4be9a1d1@mef> Message-ID: Ok, I'm certainly not in the world's top 4 billion color coordinators, but here's my first attempt... On the right path, too ugly, too garish, too lame, lemme know... Thanks, Ron White -----Original Message----- From: thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Michele Foster Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 4:10 PM To: thesite at lists.evolt.org Subject: New Stylesheets .... was ... Re: [thesite] Abbreviations and Welcome to the New Folks on Here To add to what David said, I've put up a zip file of a snapshot of weo. Included are the images, existing stylesheet (isaac.css), and two htm files, one for the homepage, one for an article. The more samples, options, variations we get the better. http://members.evolt.org/Mishka/evoltfiles.zip David, feel free to add this zip file to your site. Michele ----- Original Message ----- From: "McCreath_David" | If you go here: | | http://members.evolt.org/mccreath/evolt/colorschemes.html | | you'll see the whole history. | _______________________________________________ http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/ and new & improved kentucky fried old archives: http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The more samples, options, variations we get the better. http://members.evolt.org/Mishka/evoltfiles.zip David, feel free to add this zip file to your site. Michele ----- Original Message ----- From: "McCreath_David" | If you go here: | | http://members.evolt.org/mccreath/evolt/colorschemes.html | | you'll see the whole history. | _______________________________________________ http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/ and new & improved kentucky fried old archives: http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ocean.css Type: text/css Size: 3920 bytes Desc: not available URL: From michele at wordpro.on.ca Thu May 17 16:05:08 2001 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Thu May 17 16:05:08 2001 Subject: [thesite] RE: New Stylesheets References: Message-ID: <019001c0df15$0ba45440$4be9a1d1@mef> Ron, It would be a million times easier to review if you posted them somewhere (meo account?) with the snapshot pages and images. Thanks, Michele ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron White" | Another one, I think this one is pretty good if I do say so myself :-) I | really need some feedback after you all stop laughing at the first one :-) | | Thanks, | Ron White From r937 at interlog.com Thu May 17 16:07:28 2001 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Thu May 17 16:07:28 2001 Subject: [thesite] Members' Directory/Pages Message-ID: <01c0df15$2c2fa0c0$9f49149a@rudy> >(1) Why is PRIV on both member and membattr tables? > I thought we only needed one PRIV? yes it can be discussed here we need a PRIV on every record where the record contents need privacy >(2) What is SEQ on the membattr table? sequence, e.g. if i list several urls, i can put them in the order i want >(3) What are REMARKS for? Will the member be able to use this field? to add remarks to the attibute value, yes it's for the member to supply remarks >(4) Are ATTRVALUE and REMARKS set to be 255 characters? yes they are, i don't think we should be writing book-length entries on each individual attribute -- remember, they are meant for things like phone numbers, icq numbers, stuff like that >If we want to go one step further and incorporate Joshua's resume builder, >that will require additional memo (clob??) fields? Feasibility? no comment, sorry, i just don't know enough about it, but as soon as i saw "you would take the form struct as it comes in, wddx it, and store it in a repository for later compilation!" my mind sort of tuned out... no offence, josh, but we should get the basics up and running first... >One final question, do you have a list of attributes already created? SQL> select * from attribute; ATTRID ATTRNAME --------- --------------------- 2757 email 2761 url 2762 icq 2763 photo this was in test.evolt.org's database (i think) from codefest 2, not sure if they're still there the IDs are taken from the same oracle sequence as all the rest of them there will of course be plenty of pre-determined attributes, and perhaps the form should offer them in a dropdown or something From ronwhite at members.evolt.org Thu May 17 16:08:28 2001 From: ronwhite at members.evolt.org (Ron White) Date: Thu May 17 16:08:28 2001 Subject: [thesite] RE: New Stylesheets In-Reply-To: <019001c0df15$0ba45440$4be9a1d1@mef> Message-ID: Ok, Lets see if I remember how to get to my account :-) Thanks, Ron White -----Original Message----- From: thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Michele Foster Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 5:05 PM To: thesite at lists.evolt.org Subject: Re: [thesite] RE: New Stylesheets Ron, It would be a million times easier to review if you posted them somewhere (meo account?) with the snapshot pages and images. Thanks, Michele ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron White" | Another one, I think this one is pretty good if I do say so myself :-) I | really need some feedback after you all stop laughing at the first one :-) | | Thanks, | Ron White _______________________________________________ http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/ and new & improved kentucky fried old archives: http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/ From joshua at alphashop.net Thu May 17 16:13:18 2001 From: joshua at alphashop.net (Joshua OIson) Date: Thu May 17 16:13:18 2001 Subject: [thesite] Members' Directory/Pages References: <01c0df15$2c2fa0c0$9f49149a@rudy> Message-ID: <078301c0df16$72015b60$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> > no comment, sorry, i just don't know enough about it, but as soon as i saw > "you would take the form struct as it comes in, wddx it, and store it in a > repository for later compilation!" my mind sort of tuned out... > > no offence, josh, but we should get the basics up and running first... > None taken. The stuff I was talking about doesn't really pertain in this case. You are talking about storing user information, whereas I was talking about a *technique* to build a large step-through process involving may forms. Such a technique could be used to build a resume builder, which has almost nothing to do with the flexible user attributes you are talking about. -joshua From ronwhite at members.evolt.org Thu May 17 16:25:48 2001 From: ronwhite at members.evolt.org (Ron White) Date: Thu May 17 16:25:48 2001 Subject: [thesite] RE: New Stylesheets In-Reply-To: <019001c0df15$0ba45440$4be9a1d1@mef> Message-ID: Ok WhereTF do I log into to FTP my files?? I tried ftp://members.evolt.org is that not correct?? Also tried ftp://members.evolt.org/RonW and no joy... Thanks, Ron White -----Original Message----- From: thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Michele Foster Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 5:05 PM To: thesite at lists.evolt.org Subject: Re: [thesite] RE: New Stylesheets Ron, It would be a million times easier to review if you posted them somewhere (meo account?) with the snapshot pages and images. Thanks, Michele ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron White" | Another one, I think this one is pretty good if I do say so myself :-) I | really need some feedback after you all stop laughing at the first one :-) | | Thanks, | Ron White _______________________________________________ http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/ and new & improved kentucky fried old archives: http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/ From joshua at alphashop.net Thu May 17 16:35:08 2001 From: joshua at alphashop.net (Joshua OIson) Date: Thu May 17 16:35:08 2001 Subject: [thesite] RE: New Stylesheets References: Message-ID: <07a501c0df19$7dc28390$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> what about ftp:://RonW at members.evolt.org? I'm able to use a standard FTP client and get into my folders no problem, but am not having any luck using the browser. -joshua ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron White" To: Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 5:25 PM Subject: RE: [thesite] RE: New Stylesheets > Ok WhereTF do I log into to FTP my files?? I tried ftp://members.evolt.org > is that not correct?? Also tried ftp://members.evolt.org/RonW and no joy... > > Thanks, > Ron White From jeff at members.evolt.org Thu May 17 16:38:09 2001 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (jeff) Date: Thu May 17 16:38:09 2001 Subject: [thesite] No locks used? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010517112119.00a2acf0@mail.frognet.net> Message-ID: judith, :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : From: Judith Taylor : : In going through the code for thesite, I noticed : that you are setting a lot of session vars.... : without locking them. : : Since I'm basically doing some of the commenting, : I thought I would bring this to your attention.... : let ya'll decide if you wanted them locked. :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ in my experience locking session var reads/writes isn't nearly as critical as locking application var reads/writes. however, that being said, best practice dictates that session vars be locked. if you could be so kind as to make a note of any templates that write to a session var and i will go in later and add the write locks. thanks, .jeff name://jeff.howden game://web.development http://www.evolt.org/ mailto:jeff at members.evolt.org From michele at wordpro.on.ca Thu May 17 16:41:13 2001 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Thu May 17 16:41:13 2001 Subject: [thesite] RE: New Stylesheets References: Message-ID: <01b401c0df1a$10179aa0$4be9a1d1@mef> Ron, I don't have access to look up your info. Dan will have to do that. In the meantime, yes, that's the correct ftp address (members.evolt.org). Looking at your email address, I'm guessing your user ID is ronwhite, PW, Dan will have to send that to you. MEO accounts are case sensitive. Not sure if this is helpful or not. Michele ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron White" | Ok WhereTF do I log into to FTP my files?? I tried ftp://members.evolt.org | is that not correct?? Also tried ftp://members.evolt.org/RonW and no joy... From djc at starkmedia.com Thu May 17 16:42:38 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Thu May 17 16:42:38 2001 Subject: [thesite] dean, some oracle things again.. Message-ID: <3B04458A.7DAAC3D4@starkmedia.com> i dunno if you've gotten a chance to peak around on the new oracle box yet, but here are a couple things we need to look at.. buffer cache hit rate is in the 30's - db_block_buffers ? parse/execute ratio seems to be too high also , the front page query is taking like 20 seconds to run.. can we make a view out of this:? SELECT content.contentid, content.keyphrase, content.contentname, content.synopsis, content.datemod, content.replies, users.userid, users.who, categorys.category, categorys.categoryid, (SELECT Count(*) FROM replies WHERE contentid = content.contentid AND datemod > '') AS newcomments FROM content, users, categorys WHERE content.signoff = 1 AND content.userid = users.userid AND content.categoryid <> 23 AND content.categoryid <> 26 AND content.categoryid <> 9741 AND content.categoryid = categorys.categoryid ORDER BY content.datemod DESC, content.contentid DESC thanks bud :) From jeff at members.evolt.org Thu May 17 16:47:28 2001 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (jeff) Date: Thu May 17 16:47:28 2001 Subject: [thesite] dean, some oracle things again.. In-Reply-To: <3B04458A.7DAAC3D4@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: djc, :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : From: Daniel J. Cody : : also , the front page query is taking like : 20 seconds to run.. can we make a view out : of this:? :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ we can make a view out of it, but that won't give us any speed increases. a view doesn't actually create another table of info to query, it just binds together some sql logic into a resultset that can then be queried with simpler queries. my suggestion would be to take that query and make a stored procedure out of it. then we'll get the speed of advantage. my 2c, .jeff name://jeff.howden game://web.development http://www.evolt.org/ mailto:jeff at members.evolt.org From ronwhite at members.evolt.org Thu May 17 16:50:43 2001 From: ronwhite at members.evolt.org (Ron White) Date: Thu May 17 16:50:43 2001 Subject: [thesite] RE: New Stylesheets In-Reply-To: <01b401c0df1a$10179aa0$4be9a1d1@mef> Message-ID: I just got my user Id(RonW) and PW since its been a coon's age since I've logged into thesite, but I still can't get into the ftp area. I've tried every combo of case that is possible. Thanks, Ron White -----Original Message----- From: thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Michele Foster Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 5:41 PM To: thesite at lists.evolt.org Subject: Re: [thesite] RE: New Stylesheets Ron, I don't have access to look up your info. Dan will have to do that. In the meantime, yes, that's the correct ftp address (members.evolt.org). Looking at your email address, I'm guessing your user ID is ronwhite, PW, Dan will have to send that to you. MEO accounts are case sensitive. Not sure if this is helpful or not. Michele ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron White" | Ok WhereTF do I log into to FTP my files?? I tried ftp://members.evolt.org | is that not correct?? Also tried ftp://members.evolt.org/RonW and no joy... _______________________________________________ http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/ and new & improved kentucky fried old archives: http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/ From joshua at alphashop.net Thu May 17 16:51:48 2001 From: joshua at alphashop.net (Joshua OIson) Date: Thu May 17 16:51:48 2001 Subject: [thesite] dean, some oracle things again.. References: <3B04458A.7DAAC3D4@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <07c601c0df1b$ceb1e550$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> Dan, Jeff, Rudy, 20 seconds? That seems a little long for a simple query like this one. Are the indexes correct? Like jeff said, a store procedure may speed up things, but I assure you the majority of the 20 seconds is not plan creation, which is the only thing you'll save by having this query in a stored procedure in this case. This query is not really complex. There may be a lot of data, but 20 seconds?! There is something else going on to slow down the query that much. -joshua > also , the front page query is taking like 20 seconds to run.. can we > make a view out of this:? From joshua at alphashop.net Thu May 17 16:52:58 2001 From: joshua at alphashop.net (Joshua OIson) Date: Thu May 17 16:52:58 2001 Subject: [thesite] RE: New Stylesheets References: Message-ID: <07cc01c0df1b$fc7d6040$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> Which FTP agents have you tried. I get into mine with WSFTP95 without hitch, and through CF Studio without a hitch. Have you tried MSFTP or CuteFTP? -joshua ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron White" To: Cc: "Daniel J. Cody" Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 5:49 PM Subject: RE: [thesite] RE: New Stylesheets > I just got my user Id(RonW) and PW since its been a coon's age since I've > logged into thesite, but I still can't get into the ftp area. I've tried > every combo of case that is possible. > > Thanks, > Ron White From mwarden at odyssey-design.com Thu May 17 16:56:03 2001 From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Thu May 17 16:56:03 2001 Subject: [thesite] dean, some oracle things again.. References: Message-ID: <01b501c0df1c$08d885e0$4003020a@patk3mzsmhxpqb> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > my suggestion would be to take that query and make a stored > procedure out of it. then we'll get the speed of advantage. +1 We need to do something. weo loads way too slow. Need me to research Oracle sprocs and write one? I'll need dean/dan/rudy/etc to look it over afterwards. I might even be able to sweet talk on of the database monkies around here to do it for me... lemme know, - -- mattwarden mattwarden.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOwRIsngH0dUmEhrcEQJahACgoPR/Dk7UmqyqCx136xbxrmTiqBMAoJGK igswOuXxFaRVysHoYH0/S92C =r6xR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ronwhite at members.evolt.org Thu May 17 16:56:13 2001 From: ronwhite at members.evolt.org (Ron White) Date: Thu May 17 16:56:13 2001 Subject: [thesite] RE: New Stylesheets In-Reply-To: <07cc01c0df1b$fc7d6040$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> Message-ID: I am trying via browser at the moment since I just got a new box and haven't loaded a FTP client yet since I haven't had the need til today :-) Thanks, Ron White -----Original Message----- From michele at wordpro.on.ca Thu May 17 16:59:43 2001 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Thu May 17 16:59:43 2001 Subject: [thesite] RE: New Stylesheets References: Message-ID: <01d901c0df1c$aaacbee0$4be9a1d1@mef> umm.. I can get into mine without a prob using CuteFTP. Keep in mind, your UserID and PW for the WEO site is not necessarily the same as what you set up (requested) for your MEO account. That's why I suggested that your userid for your meo account is probably ronwhite (unless you have an email address that was issued well before meo accounts were given to the general membership). Just a guess, Michele ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron White" | I just got my user Id(RonW) and PW since its been a coon's age since I've | logged into thesite, but I still can't get into the ftp area. I've tried | every combo of case that is possible. | | Thanks, | Ron White | From michele at wordpro.on.ca Thu May 17 17:04:28 2001 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Thu May 17 17:04:28 2001 Subject: [thesite] RE: New Stylesheets References: Message-ID: <01e201c0df1d$55ba6b20$4be9a1d1@mef> Ahh ok .. I get an error too trying to log in via FTP with a browser (never tried that before). I'm getting a permission error, 550. No clue what to suggest .. except, ummm.. get an FTP program Michele ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron White" | I am trying via browser at the moment since I just got a new box and haven't | loaded a FTP client yet since I haven't had the need til today :-) | | Thanks, | Ron White From djc at starkmedia.com Thu May 17 17:06:08 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Thu May 17 17:06:08 2001 Subject: [thesite] dean, some oracle things again.. References: Message-ID: <3B044B0C.9304B512@starkmedia.com> ya, i meant index.. that updated every 5 minutes.. or better yet, a trigger that rebuilds the index when a an article is updated.. jeff wrote: > > djc, > > :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > : From: Daniel J. Cody > : > : also , the front page query is taking like > : 20 seconds to run.. can we make a view out > : of this:? > :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > we can make a view out of it, but that won't give us any speed increases. a > view doesn't actually create another table of info to query, it just binds > together some sql logic into a resultset that can then be queried with > simpler queries. > > my suggestion would be to take that query and make a stored procedure out of > it. then we'll get the speed of advantage. > > my 2c, > > .jeff > > name://jeff.howden > game://web.development > http://www.evolt.org/ > mailto:jeff at members.evolt.org > > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/ > and new & improved kentucky fried old archives: > http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/ From ronwhite at members.evolt.org Thu May 17 17:07:03 2001 From: ronwhite at members.evolt.org (Ron White) Date: Thu May 17 17:07:03 2001 Subject: [thesite] RE: New Stylesheets In-Reply-To: <01d901c0df1c$aaacbee0$4be9a1d1@mef> Message-ID: Got Bulletproof and you were correct it is ronwhite.... Thanks, Ron White -----Original Message----- From: thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Michele Foster Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 6:00 PM To: thesite at lists.evolt.org Subject: Re: [thesite] RE: New Stylesheets umm.. I can get into mine without a prob using CuteFTP. Keep in mind, your UserID and PW for the WEO site is not necessarily the same as what you set up (requested) for your MEO account. That's why I suggested that your userid for your meo account is probably ronwhite (unless you have an email address that was issued well before meo accounts were given to the general membership). Just a guess, Michele ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron White" | I just got my user Id(RonW) and PW since its been a coon's age since I've | logged into thesite, but I still can't get into the ftp area. I've tried | every combo of case that is possible. | | Thanks, | Ron White | _______________________________________________ http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/ and new & improved kentucky fried old archives: http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/ From djc at starkmedia.com Thu May 17 17:07:18 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Thu May 17 17:07:18 2001 Subject: [thesite] RE: New Stylesheets References: Message-ID: <3B044B56.653859BB@starkmedia.com> ron - if you're getting your email at ronwhite at members.evolt.org use the same password to ftp into members.evolt.org :) Ron White wrote: > > I just got my user Id(RonW) and PW since its been a coon's age since I've > logged into thesite, but I still can't get into the ftp area. I've tried > every combo of case that is possible. > > Thanks, > Ron White > > -----Original Message----- > From: thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org > [mailto:thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Michele Foster > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 5:41 PM > To: thesite at lists.evolt.org > Subject: Re: [thesite] RE: New Stylesheets > > Ron, > > I don't have access to look up your info. Dan will have to do that. > > In the meantime, yes, that's the correct ftp address (members.evolt.org). > Looking at your email address, I'm guessing your user ID is ronwhite, PW, > Dan will have to send that to you. > > MEO accounts are case sensitive. > > Not sure if this is helpful or not. > > Michele > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron White" > > | Ok WhereTF do I log into to FTP my files?? I tried ftp://members.evolt.org > | is that not correct?? Also tried ftp://members.evolt.org/RonW and no > joy... > > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/ > and new & improved kentucky fried old archives: > http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/ > > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/ > and new & improved kentucky fried old archives: > http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/ From djc at starkmedia.com Thu May 17 17:09:08 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Thu May 17 17:09:08 2001 Subject: [thesite] dean, some oracle things again.. References: <01b501c0df1c$08d885e0$4003020a@patk3mzsmhxpqb> Message-ID: <3B044BC3.D6225EA4@starkmedia.com> werd. ask away.. see about a trigger or something too.. :) "Warden, Matt" wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > my suggestion would be to take that query and make a stored > > procedure out of it. then we'll get the speed of advantage. > > +1 > > We need to do something. weo loads way too slow. > > Need me to research Oracle sprocs and write one? I'll need > dean/dan/rudy/etc to look it over afterwards. I might even be able to > sweet talk on of the database monkies around here to do it for me... From ronwhite at members.evolt.org Thu May 17 17:13:33 2001 From: ronwhite at members.evolt.org (Ron White) Date: Thu May 17 17:13:33 2001 Subject: [thesite] RE: New Stylesheets In-Reply-To: <3B044B56.653859BB@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: Got the files up, but not exactly sure where they are now.... http://members.evolt.org/ronwhite/index.htm doesn't give me anything and neither does http://members.evolt.org/RonW/index.htm Geez I feel like a friggin' newbie :-) Thanks, Ron White -----Original Message----- From: thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Daniel J. Cody Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 6:06 PM To: thesite at lists.evolt.org Subject: Re: [thesite] RE: New Stylesheets ron - if you're getting your email at ronwhite at members.evolt.org use the same password to ftp into members.evolt.org :) Ron White wrote: > > I just got my user Id(RonW) and PW since its been a coon's age since I've > logged into thesite, but I still can't get into the ftp area. I've tried > every combo of case that is possible. > > Thanks, > Ron White > > -----Original Message----- > From: thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org > [mailto:thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Michele Foster > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 5:41 PM > To: thesite at lists.evolt.org > Subject: Re: [thesite] RE: New Stylesheets > > Ron, > > I don't have access to look up your info. Dan will have to do that. > > In the meantime, yes, that's the correct ftp address (members.evolt.org). > Looking at your email address, I'm guessing your user ID is ronwhite, PW, > Dan will have to send that to you. > > MEO accounts are case sensitive. > > Not sure if this is helpful or not. > > Michele > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron White" > > | Ok WhereTF do I log into to FTP my files?? I tried ftp://members.evolt.org > | is that not correct?? Also tried ftp://members.evolt.org/RonW and no > joy... > > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/ > and new & improved kentucky fried old archives: > http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/ > > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/ > and new & improved kentucky fried old archives: > http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/ _______________________________________________ http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/ and new & improved kentucky fried old archives: http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/ From djc at starkmedia.com Thu May 17 17:18:48 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Thu May 17 17:18:48 2001 Subject: [thesite] RE: New Stylesheets References: Message-ID: <3B044E04.E637D8A0@starkmedia.com> it should now although its missing some .css files. oh, you'll need to put the stuff in the public_html folder too for it to be viewable on the web :) Ron White wrote: > > Got the files up, but not exactly sure where they are now.... > http://members.evolt.org/ronwhite/index.htm From McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us Thu May 17 17:19:08 2001 From: McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us (McCreath_David) Date: Thu May 17 17:19:08 2001 Subject: [thesite] RE: New Stylesheets Message-ID: <9627DBCB3063D311BC4B00902785C55F02A12790@EXPO1> Ron, Your missing the opening bracket on your closing head tag. You have this: /HEAD> and it needs to be this: I can see your page in IE5 David >-----Original Message----- >From: thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org >[mailto:thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Ron White >Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 2:13 PM >To: thesite at lists.evolt.org >Subject: RE: [thesite] RE: New Stylesheets > > >Got the files up, but not exactly sure where they are now.... >http://members.evolt.org/ronwhite/index.htm doesn't give me >anything and >neither does http://members.evolt.org/RonW/index.htm > >Geez I feel like a friggin' newbie :-) > >Thanks, >Ron White > >-----Original Message----- >From: thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org >[mailto:thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Daniel J. Cody >Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 6:06 PM >To: thesite at lists.evolt.org >Subject: Re: [thesite] RE: New Stylesheets > > >ron - if you're getting your email at >ronwhite at members.evolt.org use the >same password to ftp into members.evolt.org :) > >Ron White wrote: >> >> I just got my user Id(RonW) and PW since its been a coon's >age since I've >> logged into thesite, but I still can't get into the ftp >area. I've tried >> every combo of case that is possible. >> >> Thanks, >> Ron White >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org >> [mailto:thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Michele Foster >> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 5:41 PM >> To: thesite at lists.evolt.org >> Subject: Re: [thesite] RE: New Stylesheets >> >> Ron, >> >> I don't have access to look up your info. Dan will have to do that. >> >> In the meantime, yes, that's the correct ftp address >(members.evolt.org). >> Looking at your email address, I'm guessing your user ID is >ronwhite, PW, >> Dan will have to send that to you. >> >> MEO accounts are case sensitive. >> >> Not sure if this is helpful or not. >> >> Michele >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ron White" >> >> | Ok WhereTF do I log into to FTP my files?? I tried >ftp://members.evolt.org >> | is that not correct?? Also tried ftp://members.evolt.org/RonW and no > joy... > > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/ > and new & improved kentucky fried old archives: > http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/ > > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/ > and new & improved kentucky fried old archives: > http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/ _______________________________________________ http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/ and new & improved kentucky fried old archives: http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/ _______________________________________________ http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/ and new & improved kentucky fried old archives: http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/ From joshua at alphashop.net Thu May 17 17:20:03 2001 From: joshua at alphashop.net (Joshua OIson) Date: Thu May 17 17:20:03 2001 Subject: [thesite] RE: New Stylesheets References: Message-ID: <07f601c0df1f$c4fab9c0$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> http://members.evolt.org/ronwhite/index.htm worked for me... but you forgot the closing quotes on the anchors, or something. -joshua ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron White" To: Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 6:13 PM Subject: RE: [thesite] RE: New Stylesheets > Got the files up, but not exactly sure where they are now.... > http://members.evolt.org/ronwhite/index.htm doesn't give me anything and > neither does http://members.evolt.org/RonW/index.htm > > Geez I feel like a friggin' newbie :-) > > Thanks, > Ron White From McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us Thu May 17 17:20:19 2001 From: McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us (McCreath_David) Date: Thu May 17 17:20:19 2001 Subject: [thesite] RE: New Stylesheets Message-ID: <9627DBCB3063D311BC4B00902785C55F02A12791@EXPO1> Oops. You also left quotes off your links. David >-----Original Message----- >From: thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org >[mailto:thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Ron White >Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 2:13 PM >To: thesite at lists.evolt.org >Subject: RE: [thesite] RE: New Stylesheets > > >Got the files up, but not exactly sure where they are now.... >http://members.evolt.org/ronwhite/index.htm doesn't give me >anything and >neither does http://members.evolt.org/RonW/index.htm > >Geez I feel like a friggin' newbie :-) > >Thanks, >Ron White > >-----Original Message----- >From: thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org >[mailto:thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Daniel J. Cody >Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 6:06 PM >To: thesite at lists.evolt.org >Subject: Re: [thesite] RE: New Stylesheets > > >ron - if you're getting your email at >ronwhite at members.evolt.org use the >same password to ftp into members.evolt.org :) > >Ron White wrote: >> >> I just got my user Id(RonW) and PW since its been a coon's >age since I've >> logged into thesite, but I still can't get into the ftp >area. I've tried >> every combo of case that is possible. >> >> Thanks, >> Ron White >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org >> [mailto:thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Michele Foster >> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 5:41 PM >> To: thesite at lists.evolt.org >> Subject: Re: [thesite] RE: New Stylesheets >> >> Ron, >> >> I don't have access to look up your info. Dan will have to do that. >> >> In the meantime, yes, that's the correct ftp address >(members.evolt.org). >> Looking at your email address, I'm guessing your user ID is >ronwhite, PW, >> Dan will have to send that to you. >> >> MEO accounts are case sensitive. >> >> Not sure if this is helpful or not. >> >> Michele >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ron White" >> >> | Ok WhereTF do I log into to FTP my files?? I tried >ftp://members.evolt.org >> | is that not correct?? Also tried ftp://members.evolt.org/RonW and no > joy... > > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/ > and new & improved kentucky fried old archives: > http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/ > > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/ > and new & improved kentucky fried old archives: > http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/ _______________________________________________ http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/ and new & improved kentucky fried old archives: http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/ _______________________________________________ http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/ and new & improved kentucky fried old archives: http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/ From dsmah at home.com Thu May 17 17:20:38 2001 From: dsmah at home.com (Dean Mah) Date: Thu May 17 17:20:38 2001 Subject: [thesite] dean, some oracle things again.. In-Reply-To: <3B04458A.7DAAC3D4@starkmedia.com> from "Daniel J. Cody" at May 17, 2001 04:41:30 PM Message-ID: <200105172224.QAA02061@alice.monkeyland.ca> Did you do an explain plan for the query? See where you need indexes. I haven't looked at the configuration yet. Dean Daniel J. Cody writes: > i dunno if you've gotten a chance to peak around on the new oracle box > yet, but here are a couple things we need to look at.. > buffer cache hit rate is in the 30's - db_block_buffers ? > parse/execute ratio seems to be too high > > also , the front page query is taking like 20 seconds to run.. can we > make a view out of this:? > > SELECT > content.contentid, > content.keyphrase, > content.contentname, > content.synopsis, > content.datemod, > content.replies, > users.userid, > users.who, > categorys.category, > categorys.categoryid, > (SELECT Count(*) FROM replies WHERE contentid = content.contentid > AND datemod > '') AS newcomments > FROM > content, > users, > categorys > WHERE > content.signoff = 1 > AND content.userid = users.userid > AND content.categoryid <> 23 > AND content.categoryid <> 26 > AND content.categoryid <> 9741 > AND content.categoryid = categorys.categoryid > > ORDER BY > content.datemod DESC, > content.contentid DESC From dsmah at home.com Thu May 17 17:23:38 2001 From: dsmah at home.com (Dean Mah) Date: Thu May 17 17:23:38 2001 Subject: [thesite] dean, some oracle things again.. In-Reply-To: from "jeff" at May 17, 2001 02:47:18 PM Message-ID: <200105172227.QAA02073@alice.monkeyland.ca> You might want to take a look at using a materialized view in Oracle 8i. I've never used them before myself but they build summary tables of data, basically caching. Dean jeff writes: > djc, > > :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > : From: Daniel J. Cody > : > : also , the front page query is taking like > : 20 seconds to run.. can we make a view out > : of this:? > :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > we can make a view out of it, but that won't give us any speed increases. a > view doesn't actually create another table of info to query, it just binds > together some sql logic into a resultset that can then be queried with > simpler queries. > > my suggestion would be to take that query and make a stored procedure out of > it. then we'll get the speed of advantage. From ronwhite at members.evolt.org Thu May 17 17:24:23 2001 From: ronwhite at members.evolt.org (Ron White) Date: Thu May 17 17:24:23 2001 Subject: [thesite] RE: New Stylesheets In-Reply-To: <07f601c0df1f$c4fab9c0$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> Message-ID: Yep yep yep Only a little embarrASSed now :-) Was using Notepad to be quick and forgot a couple of close quotes... Thanks, Ron White From dsmah at home.com Thu May 17 17:26:43 2001 From: dsmah at home.com (Dean Mah) Date: Thu May 17 17:26:43 2001 Subject: [thesite] dean, some oracle things again.. In-Reply-To: <3B044B0C.9304B512@starkmedia.com> from "Daniel J. Cody" at May 17, 2001 05:05:00 PM Message-ID: <200105172230.QAA02083@alice.monkeyland.ca> Indexes should be added to automatically on inserts. Rebuilding indexes usually only helps when the B-tree structure becomes unbalanced, IIRC. Run an explain plan on the query and find out where the big hit is. I'll try to look at the configuration and query tonight. Dean Daniel J. Cody writes: > ya, i meant index.. that updated every 5 minutes.. or better yet, a > trigger that rebuilds the index when a an article is updated.. From gozz at gozz.com Thu May 17 17:28:28 2001 From: gozz at gozz.com (Erik Mattheis) Date: Thu May 17 17:28:28 2001 Subject: [thesite] Members' Directory/Pages In-Reply-To: <078301c0df16$72015b60$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> References: <01c0df15$2c2fa0c0$9f49149a@rudy> <078301c0df16$72015b60$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> Message-ID: Am I correct in interpreting the concept of "resume builder" literally - a tool to compose an on-line resume? I just jumped in on this, but it feels to me as if I'm rushing pell-mell into aspects of technical implementation before I know what I need to make ... questions in my mind that might deserve discussion: - Should the "Member Skills" thing be presented as something separate from a more general member profile? I could see it as a directory type structure that could be drilled down though with hyperlinks ... or there could be a member search page on which one could search for anything about a member. - Should there be something like a feedback rating or comments from whoever the member has collaborated with? I could see that being abused, but could also see it being very useful it it weren't ... maybe give each member the option of opening their record to having feedback ... or have something which would only allow feedback to be posted if both members had something in weo (is weo something like that, or is it something to track work being done on [x]eo?) -- - Erik Mattheis "For best results, pronounce muh THEIGH ess." (612) 827 3963 From ronwhite at members.evolt.org Thu May 17 17:34:08 2001 From: ronwhite at members.evolt.org (Ron White) Date: Thu May 17 17:34:08 2001 Subject: [thesite] New Stylesheets In-Reply-To: <015401c0df0d$5ea340a0$4be9a1d1@mef> Message-ID: Ok, now that I've thoroughly made an idiot out of myself, here are the three styles I came up with. More to come when I crawl out from under my desk :-) http://members.evolt.org/ronwhite/index.htm Thanks, Ron White From joshua at alphashop.net Thu May 17 17:39:48 2001 From: joshua at alphashop.net (Joshua OIson) Date: Thu May 17 17:39:48 2001 Subject: [thesite] Members' Directory/Pages References: <01c0df15$2c2fa0c0$9f49149a@rudy> <078301c0df16$72015b60$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> Message-ID: <081401c0df22$85bd1f20$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erik Mattheis" Subject: Re: [thesite] Members' Directory/Pages > Am I correct in interpreting the concept of "resume builder" > literally - a tool to compose an on-line resume? I may have jumped the boat a little by bringing that up. I thought I heard someone mention something like that, but based on what we're saying now it doesn't fit. Sorry. > - Should the "Member Skills" thing be presented as something separate > from a more general member profile? I could see it as a directory > type structure that could be drilled down though with hyperlinks ... > or there could be a member search page on which one could search for > anything about a member. I think the member's skills concept should be separate from the general member information solely because general member information is for identification and the skills concept is more for networking. I like the "drill-down" idea, but in order to for it to make sense, there would have to be a lot of heirarchtical information about a user. I didn't see anything in the schema to group data fragments or otherwise organize them... unless I missed something. > - Should there be something like a feedback rating or comments from > whoever the member has collaborated with? I could see that being > abused, but could also see it being very useful it it weren't ... > maybe give each member the option of opening their record to having > feedback ... or have something which would only allow feedback to be > posted if both members had something in weo (is weo something like > that, or is it something to track work being done on [x]eo?) Very interesting idea. It reminds me of what Ebay does in their seller rating system. I think they allow a person to erase the comments made about themselves, but when they do all comments go with them, good and bad. That way they can protect themselves from slamming, but a sense of fairness is maintained. -joshua From michele at wordpro.on.ca Thu May 17 18:13:08 2001 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Thu May 17 18:13:08 2001 Subject: [thesite] New Stylesheets References: Message-ID: <024401c0df26$ee5e90a0$4be9a1d1@mef> Hi Ron, Naw, don't worry about it .. we all have *blonde* days at times (no offence meant to anyone). :) As for your suggestions, I like the ideas and concepts. I'm not crazy about some of the colours you've chosen. Too much "eye-burn", one or more colours being too bright in hue. Specifically, fall - gold and green are too bright. Mainly the green is throwing it off. Ocean I really like, I'd suggest changing the background blue with the blue used in the main section, then choose a different (lighter/paler) blue or grey for the main section. Wine is very difficult to see. The only two colours I like would be the green and the dark plum for the background. The yellow isn't too bad, but on that pink it's really hard to read, the black is overpowering, and the grey text impossible to read. Constructive criticism, taken in the spirit as asked I hope. :) Michele ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron White" | Ok, now that I've thoroughly made an idiot out of myself, here are the three | styles I came up with. More to come when I crawl out from under my desk :-) | | http://members.evolt.org/ronwhite/index.htm From gozz at gozz.com Thu May 17 19:02:48 2001 From: gozz at gozz.com (Erik Mattheis) Date: Thu May 17 19:02:48 2001 Subject: [thesite] Members' Directory/Pages In-Reply-To: <081401c0df22$85bd1f20$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> References: <01c0df15$2c2fa0c0$9f49149a@rudy> <078301c0df16$72015b60$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> <081401c0df22$85bd1f20$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> Message-ID: > > I could see it as a directory > > type structure that could be drilled down though with hyperlinks ... >> or there could be a member search page on which one could search for > > anything about a member. >I like the >"drill-down" idea, but in order to for it to make sense, there would have to >be a lot of heirarchtical information about a user. I didn't see anything >in the schema to group data fragments or otherwise organize them... unless I >missed something. I meant something where a path to the bottom of a skills directory might be: backend > cold fusion > custom tags > joshua olson So there would have to be a lot of hierarchical information about the skills, but not a specific user. >I think they allow a person to erase the comments made about >themselves, but when they do all comments go with them, good and bad. That >way they can protect themselves from slamming, but a sense of fairness is >maintained. Wow, that's a good idea - I wonder if they've patened it ... tee hee. I find things like that that always have "0"s in them to be embarrassing, so maybe it would be a good idea to hold off on that until it starts being used. -- - Erik Mattheis "For best results, pronounce muh THEIGH ess." (612) 827 3963 From joshua at alphashop.net Thu May 17 19:31:28 2001 From: joshua at alphashop.net (Joshua OIson) Date: Thu May 17 19:31:28 2001 Subject: [thesite] d.e.o. data source Message-ID: <084a01c0df32$20c341c0$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> I was perusing through google's web directory, and they actually have a pretty good resource. Here's a link down into the directory: http://directory.google.com/Top/Computers/Programming/Internet/ Mind you, that's not the only set of links applicable to us, but it's a pretty good cross-section to get an idea of what I am talking about. It seems that they have what d.e.o is starting to do. They have a pretty good leg up on d.e.o. as far as the shear volume of information. Is anyone opposed to stripping the links off of google to give us a swift kick in the butt? It may not be a good one, but it's a thought. I doubt very highly they have copyrighted the list of links. -joshua From roselli at earthlink.net Thu May 17 22:15:34 2001 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Thu May 17 22:15:34 2001 Subject: [thesite] New Stylesheets In-Reply-To: References: <015401c0df0d$5ea340a0$4be9a1d1@mef> Message-ID: <3B045B55.29265.23D73816@localhost> > From: "Ron White" [...] > http://members.evolt.org/ronwhite/index.htm not bad... a little bright for me, but not bad... one thing that got me, though, looking at your CSS file(s), is that your classes and such are in all-caps... no problem for demonstrating some ideas, but i think it would be good if everyone followed the existing CSS as a template for how to do it up: view-source:http://www.evolt.org/evolt/isaac.css this will just ensure we're all working from the same template and will still have valid CSS... you'll notice that the CSS includes all sorts of comments; mostly they were there to help .jeff map the styles to variable names so he could write a style changer app... those were unintentionally left in, but now i'm glad they're there... as such, you'll see some styles which have comments like "as BodyTextFace"... this just means that those values should match the values defined elsewhere... this doesn't mean you *have* to do that (although i prefer them matched), but i was proposing it that way for consistency in design elements... also, some other comments, like "(as %)" or "(include units)" should hopefully be self-explanatory... and you saved the HTML through IE, which means it's the post- parsed HTML as IE sees it, so expect some CSS wonkiness... if you or anyone else has questions about the CSS, lemme know... i'm having trouble checking mail during the day, but i will check eventually reply... From djc at starkmedia.com Fri May 18 00:58:24 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Fri May 18 00:58:24 2001 Subject: [thesite] d.e.o. data source References: <084a01c0df32$20c341c0$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> Message-ID: <3B04D7E1.5070007@starkmedia.com> good idea, but i think that the strength of a directory like ours would be the absolute focus on it, along with our very well know and respected self moderated style.. i'd rather hear everyone elses links than what google decides is cool.. *although* i'm sure there are some good links there josh. :) .djc. Joshua OIson wrote: > I was perusing through google's web directory, and they actually have a > pretty good resource. Here's a link down into the directory: > > http://directory.google.com/Top/Computers/Programming/Internet/ From djc at starkmedia.com Fri May 18 01:31:38 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Fri May 18 01:31:38 2001 Subject: [thesite] friday is a good day.. Message-ID: <3B04DFAC.4000706@starkmedia.com> i'm takin off work on friday(today) to finish up thewife and to deal with the insane, but good, amount of traffic on thesite hopefully lots gets done, if its not too much to ask, can i get a status report from those of you that are working on projects?(seth, matt, dean, judith, judah, colette, ron, michele, and anyone i missed ) :) i'd appreciate, trying to get my - and evolts - ducks in a row :) .djc. From mccreath at ak.net Fri May 18 01:39:59 2001 From: mccreath at ak.net (mccreath) Date: Fri May 18 01:39:59 2001 Subject: [thesite] d.e.o. data source In-Reply-To: <084a01c0df32$20c341c0$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> Message-ID: > From: Joshua OIson > > It seems that they have what d.e.o is starting to do. They have a pretty > good leg up on d.e.o. as far as the shear volume of information. That is a pretty good list. > Is anyone opposed to stripping the links off of google to give us a swift > kick in the butt? > > It may not be a good one, but it's a thought. I doubt very > highly they have copyrighted the list of links. Actually, that directory is built using dmoz and they do copyright their stuff. They have terms of use, and I haven't read all of it, but as Dan said, let's build the evolt directory, ya know? Once it's up and available, it won't take any time at all for it to get filled up. David From mccreath at ak.net Fri May 18 02:40:25 2001 From: mccreath at ak.net (mccreath) Date: Fri May 18 02:40:25 2001 Subject: [thesite] new color schemes Message-ID: Okay, it's been a while since I played with this stuff. Thanks to Ron for lighting the fire today. The link below has a visual history of the stylesheet for evolt's many sites, along with some new ones to grease the creative gears. If you'd like to play along, you can download example files and the default stylesheet in a zip archive on this same page. (The zip that Michelle posted earlier had some IE artifacts in the HTML and lost all the comments on the stylesheet.) http://members.evolt.org/mccreath/evolt/colorschemes/ aardvark is the original author of the default stylesheet. Have fun. David From gozz at gozz.com Fri May 18 04:50:40 2001 From: gozz at gozz.com (Erik Mattheis) Date: Fri May 18 04:50:40 2001 Subject: [thesite] Re: [thelist] got a minute for evolt? In-Reply-To: <3B04EBA1.7080309@starkmedia.com> References: <3B04E67F.7010109@members.evolt.org> <3B04EBA1.7080309@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: >>http://members.evolt.org/Mishka/evoltfiles.zip I believe I see an unclosed comment on line 157 -- - Erik Mattheis "For best results, pronounce muh THEIGH ess." (612) 827 3963 From mwarden at odyssey-design.com Fri May 18 06:10:41 2001 From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Fri May 18 06:10:41 2001 Subject: [thesite] friday is a good day.. References: <3B04DFAC.4000706@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <000d01c0df8b$3aa0aa70$93ac1b18@patk3mzsmhxpqb> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > hopefully lots gets done, if its not too much to ask, can i get a > status report from those of you that are working on > projects?(seth, matt, dean, judith, judah, colette, ron, michele, > and anyone i missed ) :) jetting off at the moment, but I'm waiting on the new weo box. you get my email? then, I have an idea or two I want to run by you that I THINK will help us down the road with different user databases. - -- mattwarden mattwarden.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOwUDRHgH0dUmEhrcEQKaqACdHK5V+xDofo24Qga+qUfsJ+99rqIAnA4v YPLzZ0uxXYe9+MFtMwnsxChZ =UNMe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ronwhite at members.evolt.org Fri May 18 07:15:26 2001 From: ronwhite at members.evolt.org (Ron White) Date: Fri May 18 07:15:26 2001 Subject: [thesite] New Stylesheets In-Reply-To: <024401c0df26$ee5e90a0$4be9a1d1@mef> Message-ID: Oh, I knew the wine was a bit much :-) That was my first true effort at a color scheme. I much prefer the ocean one but I *knew* I shoulda put a different BG on it. I'll work on them later today and try some others as well... Practice makes perfect after all :-) Thanks, Ron White From ronwhite at members.evolt.org Fri May 18 07:23:01 2001 From: ronwhite at members.evolt.org (Ron White) Date: Fri May 18 07:23:01 2001 Subject: [thesite] New Stylesheets In-Reply-To: <3B045B55.29265.23D73816@localhost> Message-ID: They're in all CAPS because the isaac.css Michelle put in the .zip is all CAPS. I didn't edit them... I'll get the proper template and make it my base and use that when I re-do the pages... Thanks, Ron White one thing that got me, though, looking at your CSS file(s), is that your classes and such are in all-caps... From ronwhite at members.evolt.org Fri May 18 07:28:26 2001 From: ronwhite at members.evolt.org (Ron White) Date: Fri May 18 07:28:26 2001 Subject: [thesite] friday is a good day.. In-Reply-To: <3B04DFAC.4000706@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: Not sure if you are referring to me or one of the other Rons, but I'm just doing some new stylesheets. Three are up (need some touch ups) and should maybe have another 3-6 later today through the weekend... Thanks, Ron White hopefully lots gets done, if its not too much to ask, can i get a status report from those of you that are working on projects?(seth, matt, dean, judith, judah, colette, ron, michele, and anyone i missed ) :) From roselli at earthlink.net Fri May 18 07:54:46 2001 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Fri May 18 07:54:46 2001 Subject: [thesite] New Stylesheets In-Reply-To: References: <3B045B55.29265.23D73816@localhost> Message-ID: <3B04E2BE.20164.25E84064@localhost> > From: "Ron White" > > They're in all CAPS because the isaac.css Michelle put in the .zip is > all CAPS. I didn't edit them... I'll get the proper template and make > it my base and use that when I re-do the pages... really? michelle? where'd you grab that CSS file? and is it the latest one? From colette at wi.rr.com Fri May 18 07:59:11 2001 From: colette at wi.rr.com (Colette Brown) Date: Fri May 18 07:59:11 2001 Subject: [thesite] friday is a good day.. In-Reply-To: <3B04DFAC.4000706@starkmedia.com> References: <3B04DFAC.4000706@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <152531574.20010518075909@wi.rr.com> Friday, May 18, 2001, 3:39:08 AM, Daniel J. Cody (djc at starkmedia.com) wrote: > can i get a status > report from those of you that are working on projects?(seth, matt, dean, > judith, judah, colette, ron, michele, and anyone i missed ) :) I'm still not working on anything, because I hadn't heard from anyone. You had mentioned a project that Simon is working on. Should I get in touch with him? What's his email address? %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Colette Brown Blog: http://ziatroyano.org From michele at wordpro.on.ca Fri May 18 08:03:51 2001 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Fri May 18 08:03:51 2001 Subject: [thesite] new color schemes References: Message-ID: <002801c0df9a$fa999260$7be9a1d1@mef> David, Sorry about that .. :( I posted your files on my server as well (with the name I had originally given out). I'll take responsibility and fix any new colour versions created with the incorrect stylesheet with the correct one. Michele ----- Original Message ----- From: "mccreath" | If you'd like to play along, you can download example files and the default | stylesheet in a zip archive on this same page. (The zip that Michelle posted | earlier had some IE artifacts in the HTML and lost all the comments on the | stylesheet.) | | http://members.evolt.org/mccreath/evolt/colorschemes/ | From ppxsjc1 at unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk Fri May 18 08:07:16 2001 From: ppxsjc1 at unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk (Simon Coggins) Date: Fri May 18 08:07:16 2001 Subject: [thesite] friday is a good day.. In-Reply-To: <152531574.20010518075909@wi.rr.com> Message-ID: Hi Colette, > I'm still not working on anything, because I hadn't heard from anyone. > You had mentioned a project that Simon is working on. Should I get > in touch with him? What's his email address? That would be me. I'm planning to spend some time over the weekend making some changes to the code based on feedback from thelist. Any help would be appreciated - I'll get in touch offlist. Regards, Simon From michele at wordpro.on.ca Fri May 18 08:09:16 2001 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Fri May 18 08:09:16 2001 Subject: [thesite] New Stylesheets References: <3B045B55.29265.23D73816@localhost> <3B04E2BE.20164.25E84064@localhost> Message-ID: <003101c0df9b$c06f04c0$7be9a1d1@mef> I did a file save as in IE .. to lift all files off the page. For whatever reason, doing that completely messed up the CSS format, comments etc. in the original css file. Thinking about it after the fact, I guess it makes sense that the CSS is parsed and all comments are stripped and it is rewritten in a format that IE likes. I've corrected my file with David's version. Again, sorry folks. Michele ----- Original Message ----- From: "aardvark" | | really? michelle? where'd you grab that CSS file? and is it the | latest one? | From michele at wordpro.on.ca Fri May 18 08:21:21 2001 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Fri May 18 08:21:21 2001 Subject: [thesite] Re: [thelist] got a minute for evolt? References: <3B04E67F.7010109@members.evolt.org> <3B04EBA1.7080309@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <004801c0df9d$6f1b6620$7be9a1d1@mef> Erik, What are you referring too? Thanks, Michele ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erik Mattheis" | >>http://members.evolt.org/Mishka/evoltfiles.zip | | I believe I see an unclosed comment on line 157 From michele at wordpro.on.ca Fri May 18 08:23:16 2001 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Fri May 18 08:23:16 2001 Subject: [thesite] new color schemes References: Message-ID: <004b01c0df9d$b6ce3240$7be9a1d1@mef> David, The new ones are great, except for neon spring which does nothing for me Matt, have a look at foody? Michele ----- Original Message ----- From: "mccreath" | Okay, it's been a while since I played with this stuff. Thanks to Ron for | lighting the fire today. The link below has a visual history of the | stylesheet for evolt's many sites, along with some new ones to grease the | creative gears. | | http://members.evolt.org/mccreath/evolt/colorschemes/ From mccreath at ak.net Fri May 18 08:35:41 2001 From: mccreath at ak.net (mccreath) Date: Fri May 18 08:35:41 2001 Subject: [thesite] New Stylesheets In-Reply-To: <003101c0df9b$c06f04c0$7be9a1d1@mef> Message-ID: > From: Michele Foster > > I did a file save as in IE .. to lift all files off the page. [...] > I've corrected my file with David's version. > > Again, sorry folks. Nothing to apologize for, Michele. Thanks for doing it in the first place. It's a good idea. And FWIW, opening the stylesheet in ANY Microsoft interent product (interdev, frontpage, etc) is going to screw up the formatting and wipe the comments. Dreamweaver's CSS editor doesn't mess anything up, but you also can't edit the psuedo classes. David From ronwhite at members.evolt.org Fri May 18 08:42:16 2001 From: ronwhite at members.evolt.org (Ron White) Date: Fri May 18 08:42:16 2001 Subject: [thesite] new color schemes In-Reply-To: <002801c0df9a$fa999260$7be9a1d1@mef> Message-ID: Don't worry about mine, they're already in fixin' mode :-) Ocean had been reposted already and the other two need more work than just formatting so they'll be up later... Thanks, Ron White I'll take responsibility and fix any new colour versions created with the incorrect stylesheet with the correct one. From gozz at gozz.com Fri May 18 08:46:41 2001 From: gozz at gozz.com (Erik Mattheis) Date: Fri May 18 08:46:41 2001 Subject: [thesite] Re: [thelist] got a minute for evolt? In-Reply-To: <004801c0df9d$6f1b6620$7be9a1d1@mef> References: <3B04E67F.7010109@members.evolt.org> <3B04EBA1.7080309@starkmedia.com> <004801c0df9d$6f1b6620$7be9a1d1@mef> Message-ID: These are lines 157 and 158 of isaac.css in evoltfiles.zip which djc posted to thelist last night: font-weight : bold ; /* font-family : Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif ; /* as BodyTextFace */ An unclosed comment ... it comments out that style definition and the two below it - these are the last the definition in the file. It's like that on the site too. [bug] >What are you referring too? > >| >>http://members.evolt.org/Mishka/evoltfiles.zip >| >| I believe I see an unclosed comment on line 157 > > > >_______________________________________________ >http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/ >and new & improved kentucky fried old archives: >http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/ -- - Erik Mattheis "For best results, pronounce muh THEIGH ess." (612) 827 3963 From ronwhite at members.evolt.org Fri May 18 08:49:56 2001 From: ronwhite at members.evolt.org (Ron White) Date: Fri May 18 08:49:56 2001 Subject: [thesite] new color schemes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: http://members.evolt.org/ronwhite/index.htm Ocean and Wine are updated... Fall will be updated in about an hour or so... Have to do some real (paying) work for a bit :-) On the wine, I wasn't especially happy with the title 2 text color, but it was the one I disliked the least... any suggestions?? So you don't have to check source its the grey-green text on the magenta... Thanks, Ron White From mccreath at ak.net Fri May 18 08:54:21 2001 From: mccreath at ak.net (mccreath) Date: Fri May 18 08:54:21 2001 Subject: [thesite] even more new schemes Message-ID: 2 more from isaac, another rendering of the classic evolt look by elfur http://members.evolt.org/mccreath/evolt/colorschemes/ David From michele at wordpro.on.ca Fri May 18 09:00:41 2001 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Fri May 18 09:00:41 2001 Subject: CSS small error .... was .... Re: [thesite] Re: [thelist] got a minute for evolt? References: <3B04E67F.7010109@members.evolt.org> <3B04EBA1.7080309@starkmedia.com> <004801c0df9d$6f1b6620$7be9a1d1@mef> Message-ID: <008e01c0dfa2$f1d2e480$7be9a1d1@mef> Ok, I just double checked the original file (the GOOD one, not the IE parsed version) Here's the code snippet : a.title:visited { text-decoration : none ; /* HomePageArticleTitleLink */ font-weight : bold ; /* font-family : Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif ; /* as BodyTextFace */ font-size : 15px ; color : #666666 ; } /* as H3TextSize (include units) */ My text editor is showing that the entire font-family line is commented out. David or Adrian, is that the intent? Or should we just modify the second line so that the comment is (a) deleted or (b) replaced with /* -- */ ? I don't have access to original files, David, can you check/verify this across the CSS in use? (If needed of course ) Thanks Erik for pointing it out. Michele ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erik Mattheis" To: Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 9:46 AM Subject: Re: [thesite] Re: [thelist] got a minute for evolt? | These are lines 157 and 158 of isaac.css in evoltfiles.zip which djc posted to thelist last night: | | font-weight : bold ; /* | font-family : Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif ; /* as BodyTextFace */ | | An unclosed comment ... it comments out that style definition and the two below it - these are the last the definition in the file. | | It's like that on the site too. [bug] | From michele at wordpro.on.ca Fri May 18 09:07:46 2001 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Fri May 18 09:07:46 2001 Subject: [thesite] even more new schemes References: Message-ID: <009501c0dfa3$edc751e0$7be9a1d1@mef> David, On Elfur's can you fix , its not showing up... black on black. I think I have a use for this one .. hmmm. Michele ----- Original Message ----- From: "mccreath" | 2 more from isaac, another rendering of the classic evolt look by elfur | | http://members.evolt.org/mccreath/evolt/colorschemes/ | | David From rthigpen at nc.rr.com Fri May 18 09:10:06 2001 From: rthigpen at nc.rr.com (Ron Thigpen) Date: Fri May 18 09:10:06 2001 Subject: [thesite] New Stylesheets References: Message-ID: <3B052D40.D2DCACB3@nc.rr.com> This page needs a closing table tag . As it is, it doesn't render at all in NN4.76. --rt Ron White wrote: > http://members.evolt.org/ronwhite/index.htm From ronwhite at members.evolt.org Fri May 18 09:30:07 2001 From: ronwhite at members.evolt.org (Ron White) Date: Fri May 18 09:30:07 2001 Subject: [thesite] New Stylesheets In-Reply-To: <3B052D40.D2DCACB3@nc.rr.com> Message-ID: Get a more forgiving browser :-) It's fixed... Thanks, Ron White -----Original Message----- From: thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Ron Thigpen Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 10:10 AM To: thesite at lists.evolt.org Subject: Re: [thesite] New Stylesheets This page needs a closing table tag . As it is, it doesn't render at all in NN4.76. --rt Ron White wrote: > http://members.evolt.org/ronwhite/index.htm _______________________________________________ http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/ and new & improved kentucky fried old archives: http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/ From ronwhite at members.evolt.org Fri May 18 09:32:12 2001 From: ronwhite at members.evolt.org (Ron White) Date: Fri May 18 09:32:12 2001 Subject: [thesite] New Stylesheets In-Reply-To: <024401c0df26$ee5e90a0$4be9a1d1@mef> Message-ID: Ok fall is now updated... Thanks, Ron White http://members.evolt.org/ronwhite/index.htm From judi at frognet.net Fri May 18 10:10:22 2001 From: judi at frognet.net (Judith Taylor) Date: Fri May 18 10:10:22 2001 Subject: [thesite] friday is a good day.. In-Reply-To: <3B04DFAC.4000706@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010518082349.00a52270@mail.frognet.net> I hope to be able to get more done this weekend. I'm trying to make intelligent comments and so it's a bit slow going as I'm not familiar with the flow of the site...comments I make tend to deal with what is calling what and being called where for why. That sounds more complicated than it is - really! :o) Been doing a lot of back and forth with the files....trimming out the unused files in the 'root' dir helped. :o) Judith Daniel J. Cody put into words: >i'm takin off work on friday(today) to finish up thewife and to deal with >the insane, but good, amount of traffic on thesite > >hopefully lots gets done, if its not too much to ask, can i get a status >report from those of you that are working on projects?(seth, matt, dean, >judith, judah, colette, ron, michele, and anyone i missed ) :) > >i'd appreciate, trying to get my - and evolts - ducks in a row :) > >.djc. Judith Taylor ICQ: 67460562 Freelance ColdFusion Developer - Athens, OH Friends don't let friends code before coffee. From dsmah at home.com Fri May 18 10:17:27 2001 From: dsmah at home.com (Dean Mah) Date: Fri May 18 10:17:27 2001 Subject: [thesite] friday is a good day.. In-Reply-To: <3B04DFAC.4000706@starkmedia.com> from "Daniel J. Cody" at May 18, 2001 01:39:08 AM Message-ID: <200105181521.JAA01269@alice.monkeyland.ca> I added some indexes but it didn't speed up the query noticeably. I removed the nested query and it ran sub 3 seconds. We need to rewrite the query so that it doesn't require the nested one. Dean Daniel J. Cody writes: > i'm takin off work on friday(today) to finish up thewife and to deal > with the insane, but good, amount of traffic on thesite > > hopefully lots gets done, if its not too much to ask, can i get a status > report from those of you that are working on projects?(seth, matt, dean, > judith, judah, colette, ron, michele, and anyone i missed ) :) > > i'd appreciate, trying to get my - and evolts - ducks in a row :) From seth at sethbienek.com Fri May 18 11:09:12 2001 From: seth at sethbienek.com (Seth Bienek) Date: Fri May 18 11:09:12 2001 Subject: [thesite] friday is a good day.. In-Reply-To: <3B04DFAC.4000706@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: > can i get a status > report from those of you that are working on projects?(seth,... I should have the MBOX Mporter (cool name, eh? I made that up just now) and the tip parser complete by the end of this weekend. WooHoo! W3rd (to ya mutha), Seth ------------------------------ Seth Bienek Solutions Development Manager Stonebridge Technologies, Inc. 972.455.7294 tel 972.404.9754 fax ICQ #7673959 ------------------------------ From r937 at interlog.com Fri May 18 11:31:07 2001 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Fri May 18 11:31:07 2001 Subject: [thesite] friday is a good day.. Message-ID: <01c0dfb7$7ac95d00$1e50149a@rudy> > We need to rewrite the query so that it doesn't require the nested one. i think you will find the alternative equally slow, because the alternative is a LEFT JOIN with a GROUP BY on all the columns other than the Count(*) i think the problem is the sheer volume of calls to the nested (correlated) query, due to the number of articles returned SELECT content.contentid, content.keyphrase, content.contentname, content.synopsis, content.datemod, content.replies, WHERE content.signoff = 1 AND content.categoryid <> 23 AND content.categoryid <> 26 AND content.categoryid <> 9741 i.e. all the active articles not in those three categories so far so good, except for the fact that it will return about a thousand articles disclaimer: i don't know what the page is doing, whether it is caching the results and/or how it is stepping through the "next 10 pages" so it might be legitimate to go get all the articles -- but if the "next" type links do *not* use cache and instead go and query the database again, then the above is truly wasteful, and we should consider putting a date check on it to get only the most recent articles or something okay, now join to the user and category records these joins go "from the many to the one" in the 1-to-many user-article and category-article relationships, therefore these additional joins do not increase the number of records in the result set -- SELECT content.[columns], users.[columns], categorys.[columns] FROM content, users, categorys WHERE [content filters] AND content.userid = users.userid AND content.categoryid = categorys.categoryid in anticipation of needing outer joins on this and other queries throughout the site, we should try rewriting them using the sql92 syntax (or whatever it's called) -- SELECT content.[columns], users.[columns], categorys.[columns] FROM content INNER JOIN users ON content.userid = users.userid INNER JOIN categorys ON content.categoryid = categorys.categoryid WHERE [content filters] now the way to add the nested query to the comments table would be as follows -- SELECT content.[columns], users.[columns], categorys.[columns], Count(*) AS newcomments FROM content INNER JOIN users ON content.userid = users.userid INNER JOIN categorys ON content.categoryid = categorys.categoryid LEFT JOIN replies ON content.contentid = replies.contentid WHERE [content filters] AND replies.datemod > '' GROUP BY content.[columns], users.[columns], categorys.[columns] this is now going "from the one to the many" (if you know what i mean), consequently you need the GROUP BY in order to keep the result set to one row per article i would be interested to see if oracle actually does better on this query than the one using the nested correlated subquery, but my guess is it will be just as slow another alternative, and one that i personally think has a chance of maybe performing really well, is to get the number of article comments in a UNION -- but this requires that the page that is handling the result set be changed, in order to handle the "extra rows" in the result set -- SELECT content.contentid, content.keyphrase, content.contentname, content.synopsis, content.datemod, content.replies, users.[columns], categorys.[columns] FROM content INNER JOIN users ON content.userid = users.userid INNER JOIN categorys ON content.categoryid = categorys.categoryid WHERE [content filters] UNION ALL SELECT content.contentid, ' ', 'ZZZZZZZZZZZ', ' ', content.datemod, Count(replies.contentid) , [more blanks or zeroes] FROM content LEFT JOIN replies ON content.contentid = replies.contentid WHERE [content filters] GROUP BY content.contentid, content.datemod ORDER BY content.datemod DESC, content.contentid DESC, content.contentname DESC with this approach, the page would use CFOUTPUT GROUP= and trap the ZZZZZZZ row, which would come ahead of the "real" content row the only advantage to doing this is that the GROUP BY is not performed in the midst of a 4-way table join, rather only a 2-way join, which the database engine might find a bit easier to do however, my first attempt at query optimization would be to restrict the query to returning no more rows than the page will display, if indeed the "next 10 articles" feature does go back to the database... does oracle support anything like microsoft's SELECT TOP or mysql's LIMIT? rudy From r937 at interlog.com Fri May 18 11:38:17 2001 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Fri May 18 11:38:17 2001 Subject: [thesite] friday is a good day.. Message-ID: <01c0dfb8$e5d9b300$1e50149a@rudy> sorry for the long post just now i got so carried away with the sql, i forgot to ask the most fundamental question -- the nested query contains WHERE replies.datemod > '' that cannot be right, can it? what's going on with that field? i thought content.replies is supposed to hold the number of comments on the article so what is the nested subquery for?? surely it's not the number of recent replies, is it? heck, that's not what the datemod field is... rudy From dsmah at home.com Fri May 18 11:59:48 2001 From: dsmah at home.com (Dean Mah) Date: Fri May 18 11:59:48 2001 Subject: [thesite] friday is a good day.. In-Reply-To: <01c0dfb8$e5d9b300$1e50149a@rudy> from "rudy" at May 18, 2001 12:37:58 PM Message-ID: <200105181703.LAA01585@alice.monkeyland.ca> Sorry, I don't know what that is for. It looked really strange to me as well. Dan said he pulled it straight from CF's debugging stuff. Anyway, I've added indexes and the query runs in 8.5 seconds which is half of what it was. The front page comes up a lot quicker now. Does the Oracle box really only have 64MB of RAM?!! That's not enough. Oracle's minimum requirement is 128MB or 256MB. I couldn't increase buffer cache by that much. I think the buffer cache hit ratio is still around 30% which is way too low. It should be up in the 80-90% range. Dean rudy writes: > sorry for the long post just now > > i got so carried away with the sql, i forgot to ask the most fundamental > question -- > > the nested query contains > > WHERE replies.datemod > '' > > that cannot be right, can it? > > what's going on with that field? > > i thought content.replies is supposed to hold the number of comments on the > article > > so what is the nested subquery for?? > > surely it's not the number of recent replies, is it? > > heck, that's not what the datemod field is... From dsmah at home.com Fri May 18 12:05:58 2001 From: dsmah at home.com (Dean Mah) Date: Fri May 18 12:05:58 2001 Subject: [thesite] dean, some oracle things again.. In-Reply-To: <3B04458A.7DAAC3D4@starkmedia.com> from "Daniel J. Cody" at May 17, 2001 04:41:30 PM Message-ID: <200105181709.LAA01603@alice.monkeyland.ca> Okay, I lied. The buffer cache hit ratio is up to 99%. It looks good now. I doubled the number of db_block_buffers. The SGA is now taking up around 44MB on RAM. Dean Daniel J. Cody writes: > i dunno if you've gotten a chance to peak around on the new oracle > box yet, but here are a couple things we need to look at.. buffer > cache hit rate is in the 30's - db_block_buffers ? parse/execute > ratio seems to be too high From dsmah at home.com Fri May 18 12:31:38 2001 From: dsmah at home.com (Dean Mah) Date: Fri May 18 12:31:38 2001 Subject: [thesite] friday is a good day.. In-Reply-To: <01c0dfb7$7ac95d00$1e50149a@rudy> from "rudy" at May 18, 2001 12:27:49 PM Message-ID: <200105181735.LAA01675@alice.monkeyland.ca> Long message ahead.... First let me say, I love the way you broke that query down. You are the SQL god. I wrote your query like this: SELECT content.contentid, content.keyphrase, content.contentname, content.synopsis, content.datemod, content.replies, users.userid, users.who, categorys.category, categorys.categoryid, Count(*) AS newcomments FROM users, content, categorys, replies WHERE content.signoff = 1 AND content.userid = users.userid AND content.categoryid <> 23 AND content.categoryid <> 26 AND content.categoryid <> 9741 AND content.categoryid = categorys.categoryid AND content.contentid = replies.contentid (+) GROUP BY content.contentid, content.keyphrase, content.contentname, content.synopsis, content.datemod, content.replies, users.userid, users.who, categorys.category, categorys.categoryid It ran marginally faster. If SQL*Plus's timing features can be trusted. The original CF query (2 runs) ran at: 8.71 and 9.06. Your query ran at: 8.35 and 8.40. Oracle optimizes the queries into almost exactly the same thing. The CF query looked like: SELECT STATEMENT Cost = SORT ORDER BY NESTED LOOPS NESTED LOOPS TABLE ACCESS FULL CATEGORYS TABLE ACCESS BY INDEX ROWID CONTENT INDEX RANGE SCAN CONTENT_CATID TABLE ACCESS BY INDEX ROWID USERS INDEX UNIQUE SCAN SYS_C001208 While your query looked like: SELECT STATEMENT Cost = SORT GROUP BY NESTED LOOPS OUTER NESTED LOOPS NESTED LOOPS TABLE ACCESS FULL CATEGORYS TABLE ACCESS BY INDEX ROWID CONTENT INDEX RANGE SCAN CONTENT_CATID TABLE ACCESS BY INDEX ROWID USERS INDEX UNIQUE SCAN SYS_C001208 INDEX RANGE SCAN REPLIES_CONTID In Oracle you do outer joins by marking the table with (+). I don't think, at least in Oracle7, that SQL92's outer join syntax is supported. In Oracle7 there wasn't any conception on the SELECT TOP or LIMIT as I understand them. You can try using Oracle's rownum or rowid but I don't think that it will get you exactly what you want. Dean rudy writes: > > We need to rewrite the query so that it doesn't require the nested one. > > i think you will find the alternative equally slow, because the > alternative is a LEFT JOIN with a GROUP BY on all the columns other > than the Count(*) > > i would be interested to see if oracle actually does better on this query > than the one using the nested correlated subquery, but my guess is it will > be just as slow > > does oracle support anything like microsoft's SELECT TOP or mysql's LIMIT? From ronw at marathoninnovations.com Fri May 18 12:42:58 2001 From: ronw at marathoninnovations.com (Ron White) Date: Fri May 18 12:42:58 2001 Subject: [thesite] default page Message-ID: What is the default page for our directories? Neither index.htm nor default.htm work. Do I need to specify one locally?? If so, can someone do some splainin on what needs to be done?? Haven't learned enuff 'nix and Apache yet... Thanks, Ron White From McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us Fri May 18 12:47:08 2001 From: McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us (McCreath_David) Date: Fri May 18 12:47:08 2001 Subject: [thesite] default page Message-ID: <9627DBCB3063D311BC4B00902785C55F02A127A7@EXPO1> Hi, Ron try index.html David >-----Original Message----- >From: thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org >[mailto:thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Ron White >Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 9:42 AM >To: thesite at lists.evolt.org >Subject: [thesite] default page > > >What is the default page for our directories? Neither index.htm nor >default.htm work. Do I need to specify one locally?? If so, >can someone do >some splainin on what needs to be done?? Haven't learned enuff 'nix and >Apache yet... > >Thanks, >Ron White > > > >_______________________________________________ >http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/ >and new & improved kentucky fried old archives: >http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/ > From john at userfrenzy.com Fri May 18 12:47:38 2001 From: john at userfrenzy.com (John Handelaar) Date: Fri May 18 12:47:38 2001 Subject: [thesite] default page In-Reply-To: Message-ID: you want .htmL > -----Original Message----- > From: thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org > [mailto:thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Ron White > Sent: 18 May 2001 18:42 > To: thesite at lists.evolt.org > Subject: [thesite] default page > > > What is the default page for our directories? Neither index.htm nor > default.htm work. From ronwhite at members.evolt.org Fri May 18 13:04:28 2001 From: ronwhite at members.evolt.org (Ron White) Date: Fri May 18 13:04:28 2001 Subject: New Style was RE: [thesite] default page In-Reply-To: <9627DBCB3063D311BC4B00902785C55F02A127A7@EXPO1> Message-ID: Kewl, I was going to try that next, but figgered it'd be easier to just ask :-) I've added another style BTW. http://members.evolt.org/ronwhite/ Thanks, Ron White -----Original Message----- From: thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of McCreath_David Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 1:47 PM To: 'thesite at lists.evolt.org' Subject: RE: [thesite] default page Hi, Ron try index.html David >-----Original Message----- >From: thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org >[mailto:thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Ron White >Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 9:42 AM >To: thesite at lists.evolt.org >Subject: [thesite] default page > > >What is the default page for our directories? Neither index.htm nor >default.htm work. Do I need to specify one locally?? If so, >can someone do >some splainin on what needs to be done?? Haven't learned enuff 'nix and >Apache yet... > >Thanks, >Ron White > > > >_______________________________________________ >http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/ >and new & improved kentucky fried old archives: >http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/ > _______________________________________________ http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/ and new & improved kentucky fried old archives: http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/ From joshua at alphashop.net Fri May 18 14:11:53 2001 From: joshua at alphashop.net (Joshua OIson) Date: Fri May 18 14:11:53 2001 Subject: [thesite] friday is a good day.. References: <200105181735.LAA01675@alice.monkeyland.ca> Message-ID: <09d001c0dfce$a69a4900$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> Quick comment that *may* help. The query used to drive the front end is using 3 conditionals to exclude categories. Would it possibly be faster to add a flag to the category to indicate whether it should be included on the front of the site, thereby reducing the number of comparisons and allowing you to maybe even use an index (maybe clustered) on that flag? Also, there was talk about an Oracle Equivalent to LIMIT TO, etc. Does the CF maxrows not do the same thing? I do a lot of work in a Sybase environment and it seems to help alot for huge tables. Just some thoughts. Sorry they're not real specific at this time. -joshua > I wrote your query like this: > > > SELECT content.contentid, content.keyphrase, content.contentname, > content.synopsis, content.datemod, content.replies, users.userid, > users.who, categorys.category, categorys.categoryid, > Count(*) AS newcomments > FROM users, content, categorys, replies > WHERE content.signoff = 1 AND content.userid = users.userid > AND content.categoryid <> 23 AND content.categoryid <> 26 > AND content.categoryid <> 9741 AND content.categoryid = categorys.categoryid > AND content.contentid = replies.contentid (+) > GROUP BY content.contentid, content.keyphrase, content.contentname, > content.synopsis, content.datemod, content.replies, users.userid, > users.who, categorys.category, categorys.categoryid From mwarden at odyssey-design.com Fri May 18 14:32:29 2001 From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Fri May 18 14:32:29 2001 Subject: [thesite] friday is a good day.. References: <200105181735.LAA01675@alice.monkeyland.ca> <09d001c0dfce$a69a4900$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> Message-ID: <01a501c0dfd1$532f1f90$93ac1b18@patk3mzsmhxpqb> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > Quick comment that *may* help. The query used to drive the front > end is using 3 conditionals to exclude categories. Would it > possibly be faster to add a flag to the category to indicate > whether it should be included on the front of the site, thereby > reducing the number of comparisons and allowing you to maybe even > use an index (maybe clustered) on that flag? rudy, is it in the plans to use a PRIV column on categories? Truthfully, it might not be the intended use and I can see you telling me we shouldn't use the PRIV column for this, BUT setting the priv of those categories to 3 (or 5 if you want to have it not displayed for anyone) could keep them out of things like the front page, headlines mailers, XML headline feeds, etc. The only problem I see is if we ever get into showing or not showing an article based on the PRIV of its category (not sure why we would do this since the article itself would have a PRIV). Where is the latest database design diagram (heh, yes, I remember you told me you hadn't updated in a while. and this certainly isn't me trying to get you to do that *cough*)? Getting the PRIV system in place will solve a good number of problems, IMO. AFAIK, it's only being used for admin-type stuff. r0ck, - -- mattwarden mattwarden.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOwV43ngH0dUmEhrcEQJRLwCgyRzwp3py8gPGaz0JeXT6aa3SS4UAn0YT P35y08aWxk2FUujEsgMh+Yz0 =5qJL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ronwhite at members.evolt.org Fri May 18 14:33:24 2001 From: ronwhite at members.evolt.org (Ron White) Date: Fri May 18 14:33:24 2001 Subject: [thesite] New Stylesheets In-Reply-To: <024401c0df26$ee5e90a0$4be9a1d1@mef> Message-ID: Thanks to Paola's WAY KEWL colour app I was able to knock a few more styles pretty quickly. I tell you what, ya pick a base color and pop it in there and then pick 3-4 complimentary colors and yer done... Please check them out and lemme know what you think... http://members.evolt.org/ronwhite/ Thanks, Ron White From jeff at members.evolt.org Fri May 18 14:49:44 2001 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (jeff) Date: Fri May 18 14:49:44 2001 Subject: [thesite] friday is a good day.. In-Reply-To: <01c0dfb7$7ac95d00$1e50149a@rudy> Message-ID: rudy, :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : From: rudy : : i don't know what the page is doing, whether it : is caching the results and/or how it is stepping : through the "next 10 pages" so it might be : legitimate to go get all the articles -- but if : the "next" type links do *not* use cache and : instead go and query the database again, then : the above is truly wasteful, and we should consider : putting a date check on it to get only the most : recent articles or something :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ here's what the actual query looks like: SELECT content.contentid, content.keyphrase, content.contentname, content.synopsis, content.datemod, content.replies, users.userid, users.who, categorys.category, categorys.categoryid, (SELECT Count(*) FROM replies WHERE contentid = content.contentid AND datemod > '#DateFormat(session.user.lastlogin)#' ) AS newcomments FROM content, users, categorys WHERE content.signoff = #Val(url.sid)# content.signoff = 1 AND content.userid = users.userid AND content.categoryid <> 23 AND content.categoryid <> 26 AND content.categoryid <> 9741 AND content.categoryid = categorys.categoryid AND content.categoryid = #Val(url.tid)# ORDER BY content.datemod DESC, content.contentid DESC this query is used to drill down into the total article listing. that drill down uses the cached query if it exists. in most cases it will exist as it is cached for 10 minutes. my suspicion is that the speed-killing culprit is the subselect aliased as "newcomments". i think we can minimize the use of that subselect to only those instances where the user is logged in. (SELECT Count(*) FROM replies WHERE contentid = content.contentid AND datemod > '#DateFormat(session.user.lastlogin)#' ) AS newcomments (SELECT '0' FROM replies ) AS newcomments (aside: can i do a select without specifying a table?) the benefit of altering the logic that generates the query is that we will get faster results for those instances where we know what the answer is (if you're not logged in we know there aren't any new comments for you). :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : however, my first attempt at query optimization : would be to restrict the query to returning no : more rows than the page will display, if indeed : the "next 10 articles" feature does go back to : the database... :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ yes, that would be my suggestion as well .... *if* it did go back to the database (in an uncached/new query fashion). :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : does oracle support anything like microsoft's : SELECT TOP or mysql's LIMIT? :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ good question, but that won't help us out in this situation as we need to generate the entire resultset in order to page through since coldfusion needs to have the entire resultset for startrow and maxrows attributes of the cfoutput to work properly. the only exception is if we can pass to the query where in its internal resultset we want to start and how many rows. even if this were possible, which i don't think it is, i don't see this improving the time of the query as it now not only has to retrieve the entire resultset internally, it then has to grab the portion of the data that meets the startrow and maxrows criteria. thanks, .jeff name://jeff.howden game://web.development http://www.evolt.org/ mailto:jeff at members.evolt.org From jeff at members.evolt.org Fri May 18 14:56:59 2001 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (jeff) Date: Fri May 18 14:56:59 2001 Subject: [thesite] friday is a good day.. In-Reply-To: <01a501c0dfd1$532f1f90$93ac1b18@patk3mzsmhxpqb> Message-ID: matt, :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : From: Warden, Matt : : rudy, is it in the plans to use a PRIV : column on categories? :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ i feel that it is in the plans. :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : Truthfully, it might not be the intended : use and I can see you telling me we shouldn't : use the PRIV column for this, BUT setting the : priv of those categories to 3 (or 5 if you : want to have it not displayed for anyone) could : keep them out of things like the front page, : headlines mailers, XML headline feeds, etc. :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ yes, quite true, but like you just stated -- that's not the intended purpose. with the high likelihood that we'll implement category display based on the PRIV setting for the category it wouldn't make sense to complicate the issue by misusing that column in this fashion. :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : The only problem I see is if we ever get into : showing or not showing an article based on the : PRIV of its category (not sure why we would do : this since the article itself would have a PRIV). :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ or, more importantly we may decide to add an admin only viewable category. we wouldn't want to display that category on the front-end to anyone with a PRIV less than 3. so, not only would the articles within that category have a PRIV of 3 (or some maybe even a 4), the category itself would have a PRIV of 3 to keep it from being displayed except when necessary/appropriate. thanks, .jeff name://jeff.howden game://web.development http://www.evolt.org/ mailto:jeff at members.evolt.org From mwarden at odyssey-design.com Fri May 18 14:59:19 2001 From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Fri May 18 14:59:19 2001 Subject: [thesite] friday is a good day.. References: Message-ID: <01f101c0dfd5$149b3d00$93ac1b18@patk3mzsmhxpqb> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > (aside: can i do a select without specifying a table?) Kinda... select 'You are the SQL god' from dual; - -- mattwarden mattwarden.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOwV/K3gH0dUmEhrcEQLO8QCg1OMQJolB9OdYMbTXix2+Gmiai0sAni1M LWf+QONGe5IFrgNAAHtbWLdz =/zyx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From joshua at alphashop.net Fri May 18 14:59:39 2001 From: joshua at alphashop.net (Joshua OIson) Date: Fri May 18 14:59:39 2001 Subject: [thesite] friday is a good day.. References: Message-ID: <09fb01c0dfd5$529db830$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> Jeff, you wrote, > :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > : does oracle support anything like microsoft's > : SELECT TOP or mysql's LIMIT? > :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > good question, but that won't help us out in this situation as we need to > generate the entire resultset in order to page through since coldfusion > needs to have the entire resultset for startrow and maxrows attributes of > the cfoutput to work properly. the only exception is if we can pass to the > query where in its internal resultset we want to start and how many rows. > even if this were possible, which i don't think it is, i don't see this > improving the time of the query as it now not only has to retrieve the > entire resultset internally, it then has to grab the portion of the data > that meets the startrow and maxrows criteria. I disagree. You say that we need to grab the entire recordset to generate the page throughs? I say not to that. To generate the page throughs all we need is to: 1) know how many total records we are dealing with 2) determine which of the database records fall within the current "page" we are viewing The first piece of information can be done with a COUNT and only needs to be recalculated when an article is added, thus disrupting the count. So, figure out what that number is and store it somewhere. The second piece is a hashing algorithm of some sort. You can make a counter that ONLY counts the articles. 1 is the oldest article, max is the newest. That way, all you do is make the newest article the next number. Use this number in conjunction with the number we already know (how many articles there are total) which, btw, is the same number, to figure out which subset to query. Then you can put the constraints into the query without worrying about limits etc. Just say I want article max_id through max_id-10! Where max_id is the id of the newest article. Shouldn't be too tough. Waddaya think? -joshua From mwarden at odyssey-design.com Fri May 18 15:19:59 2001 From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Fri May 18 15:19:59 2001 Subject: [thesite] friday is a good day.. References: Message-ID: <020d01c0dfd7$f6322ce0$93ac1b18@patk3mzsmhxpqb> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > : Truthfully, it might not be the intended > : use and I can see you telling me we shouldn't > : use the PRIV column for this, BUT setting the > : priv of those categories to 3 (or 5 if you > : want to have it not displayed for anyone) could > : keep them out of things like the front page, > : headlines mailers, XML headline feeds, etc. > :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > yes, quite true, but like you just stated -- that's not the > intended purpose. with the high likelihood that we'll implement > category display based on the PRIV setting for the category it > wouldn't make sense to complicate the issue by misusing that column > in this fashion. Well, the only misuse is really that it isn't being used for a security reason, which is why PRIV was created (right?). Setting a category to a PRIV of 5 would be correct except for the fact that we're doing it for an odd reason. > :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > : The only problem I see is if we ever get into > : showing or not showing an article based on the > : PRIV of its category (not sure why we would do > : this since the article itself would have a PRIV). > :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > or, more importantly we may decide to add an admin only viewable > category. we wouldn't want to display that category on the > front-end to anyone with a PRIV less than 3. so, not only would > the articles within that category have a PRIV of 3 (or some maybe > even a 4), the category itself would have a PRIV of 3 to keep it > from being displayed except when necessary/appropriate. I'm not sure what you're getting at. What you describe above is what we want. We don't want those categories to show up in the category list drop box. We don't want their articles showing up on the front page. However, we DO want them to be able to add articles to them (with the exception of the FAQ cat) and that might be a problem (though the submission page currently does not restrict articles from being submitted to the FAQ category). Anyways, my point was that there would be a problem if we are going to cascade PRIV from category to article for some reason. Do you see any other problems? The only problem I have with this is that we're restricting display based on a security column but for non-security reasons. However, it might be better than adding another column just for the display control. - -- mattwarden mattwarden.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOwWEAXgH0dUmEhrcEQJUWgCfS9PX7ZVIeELLNwp/q7bVi72Rn3MAoNlC DV3e+Y1tLKj/luqtV3XHHh2k =vwAa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us Fri May 18 15:50:55 2001 From: McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us (McCreath_David) Date: Fri May 18 15:50:55 2001 Subject: CSS small error .... was .... Re: [thesite] Re: [thelist] got a minute for evolt? Message-ID: <9627DBCB3063D311BC4B00902785C55F02A127B1@EXPO1> Hi, Michele - Yeah, that shouldn't be commented out. The reason that it hasn't affected the site is because we never specified a different font for that particular piece of the puzzle. I've fixed it and attached it. Can somebody with upload privs put this on t.e.o so we can make sure that it doesn't do something stupid? I'll check the stylesheets for the other domains later. Thanks for spotting that, Erik. Thanks David >-----Original Message----- >From: Michele Foster > >My text editor is showing that the entire font-family line is >commented out.David or Adrian, is that the intent? Or should >we just modify the second line so that the comment is (a) >deleted or (b) replaced with /* -- */ ? > >I don't have access to original files, David, can you check/verify this >across the CSS in use? (If needed of course ) > >Thanks Erik for pointing it out. > >Michele -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: isaac.css Type: application/octet-stream Size: 7406 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jeff at members.evolt.org Fri May 18 15:53:44 2001 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (jeff) Date: Fri May 18 15:53:44 2001 Subject: [thesite] friday is a good day.. In-Reply-To: <09fb01c0dfd5$529db830$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> Message-ID: joshua, :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : From: Joshua OIson : : You say that we need to grab the entire recordset : to generate the page throughs? I say not to that. : To generate the page throughs all we need is to: : : 1) know how many total records we are dealing with : 2) determine which of the database records fall : within the current "page" we are viewing :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ yes, quite true. :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : The first piece of information can be done with a : COUNT and only needs to be recalculated when an : article is added, thus disrupting the count. So, : figure out what that number is and store it somewhere. :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ are you suggesting an application scoped variable? i can envision the logic necessary to make that hit as minimal as possible and happen only when absolutely necessary. :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : The second piece is a hashing algorithm of some sort. : You can make a counter that ONLY counts the articles. : 1 is the oldest article, max is the newest. That way, : all you do is make the newest article the next number. : Use this number in conjunction with the number we : already know (how many articles there are total) which, : btw, is the same number, to figure out which subset to : query. Then you can put the constraints into the query : without worrying about limits etc. Just say I want : article max_id through max_id-10! Where max_id is the : id of the newest article. : : Shouldn't be too tough. Waddaya think? :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ i think we're saying almost the same thing, but here's what i'd do, if this is really a problem worth throwing some additional development time into. i'd add a rank column to the database. add a trigger (or build the logic into the middleware) to update the rank column on the entire table based on the datemod and signoff columns (1) whenever a new article is approved (which would automatically . those articles that have a signoff value of 1 (approved) get a rank from 1 (newest) to max rank (2) (oldest). we would then use the startrow and maxrows attributes within the query instead of the cfoutput. the query would select only those articles that had a rank that was >= the startrow and <= startrow + maxrows - 1. whenever an articles signoff status changes from 1 we'd simply update the rank column to adjust the rank of all the articles to fill the gap (3). approving an older article and adjusting the rank of all approved articles to open a gap in the appropriate place would be alittle more difficult, but not impossible (4). the major difference between what you and i are saying is the direction of the "rank". i'd rank from 1-max in the order you want to display the articles. you're suggesting ranking from max-1. the one disadvantage to this is that the query for each page results view isn't going to be cached for you so it'll have to create a new query. i still see it being a huge performance gain though because your resultset will always be smaller than the current query's resultset. now, the order by can be attached to the rank column which should already be indexed as opposed to the datemod column which has no guarantee of being indexed or of the database actually using the index even if it exists. (1): UPDATE content SET rank = rank + 1 WHERE rank >= 1 (2): SELECT Count(*) AS max_rank FROM content WHERE signoff = 1 (3): UPDATE content SET rank = rank - 1 WHERE rank >= deleted.rank (4): UPDATE content SET rank = rank + 1 WHERE datemod >= inserted.datemod AND contentid > inserted.contentid thanks, .jeff name://jeff.howden game://web.development http://www.evolt.org/ mailto:jeff at members.evolt.org From jeff at members.evolt.org Fri May 18 15:58:34 2001 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (jeff) Date: Fri May 18 15:58:34 2001 Subject: [thesite] friday is a good day.. In-Reply-To: <01c0dfb8$e5d9b300$1e50149a@rudy> Message-ID: rudy, :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : From: rudy : : sorry for the long post just now : : i got so carried away with the sql, i forgot to ask the most fundamental : question -- : : the nested query contains : : WHERE replies.datemod > '' : : that cannot be right, can it? :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ no, that's not right -- with an explanation. that query was obviously generated without the user being logged in (hence no lastlogin value). however, when the user is logged in it will do the comparison against an actual date value. see my other response to you to see a suggestion about how i'd handle that. :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : i thought content.replies is supposed to hold : the number of comments on the article : : so what is the nested subquery for?? : : surely it's not the number of recent replies, : is it? : : heck, that's not what the datemod field is... :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ in that table the datemod field stores when a comment was inserted. so, we're querying for all comments for a given article where the datemod is greater than last login of the current logged in user. fwiw, the full subselect looks like this: (SELECT Count(*) FROM replies WHERE contentid = content.contentid AND datemod > '#DateFormat(session.user.lastlogin)#' ) AS newcomments make more sense? thanks, .jeff name://jeff.howden game://web.development http://www.evolt.org/ mailto:jeff at members.evolt.org From djc at starkmedia.com Fri May 18 16:00:10 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Fri May 18 16:00:10 2001 Subject: [thesite] friday is a good day.. References: <3B04DFAC.4000706@starkmedia.com> <000d01c0df8b$3aa0aa70$93ac1b18@patk3mzsmhxpqb> Message-ID: <3B05AB3C.5070105@starkmedia.com> its all set up and ready to go.. i'm just waiting for a fedex package with some new ram i had to buy for that box. also, the DB is up to date, only about a day behind right now, so anything you want to start on with that can be done :) Warden, Matt wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > >> hopefully lots gets done, if its not too much to ask, can i get a >> status report from those of you that are working on >> projects?(seth, matt, dean, judith, judah, colette, ron, michele, >> and anyone i missed ) :) > > > jetting off at the moment, but I'm waiting on the new weo box. you > get my email? then, I have an idea or two I want to run by you that I > THINK will help us down the road with different user databases. From joshua at alphashop.net Fri May 18 16:01:19 2001 From: joshua at alphashop.net (Joshua OIson) Date: Fri May 18 16:01:19 2001 Subject: [thesite] friday is a good day.. References: Message-ID: <0a1e01c0dfdd$f1811930$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> I think we are in general concurrence. I was not taking into account the fact that articles can be approved or disapproved--but either way the article exists. But, the recalculation of rank at the change of status of each article is a foundationally solid solution. The hit will happen once, and it *should* keep the result set down to an absolute minimum on front end queries I would definitely suggest against using triggers in this case. I'm finding myself drifting more and more towards Rudy's (c), and Celko's side of the court on my thoughts about triggers. > are you suggesting an application scoped variable? i can envision the logic > necessary to make that hit as minimal as possible and happen only when > absolutely necessary. Application scoped variables was one solution. In this case, you'd store max(rank) or whatever. If you don't like application scoped variables, a simple query SELECT Max(rank) AS max_rank FROM whatever will be sufficiently fast as well. -joshua From djc at starkmedia.com Fri May 18 16:04:05 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Fri May 18 16:04:05 2001 Subject: [thesite] colette was: friday is a good day.. References: <3B04DFAC.4000706@starkmedia.com> <152531574.20010518075909@wi.rr.com> Message-ID: <3B05AC2C.50002@starkmedia.com> Sorry :) the project i was referering to was the new dir.evolt.org site that simon wrote this week.. its done in php and mysql and sitting on one of our boxes.. could you email him at ppxsjc1 at unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk and see if there's anything he could use a hand with? I know he's going to be workinng on it this weekend :) oh, and where in milwaukee are you from? menomonee falls here.. if you're free in the evening on the 30th, there are about 5 of us evolt folks getting together for beers at the ale house on water around 6ish thanks again, and let me know if you need some more/better direction :) .djc. Colette Brown wrote: > Friday, May 18, 2001, 3:39:08 AM, Daniel J. Cody (djc at starkmedia.com) wrote: > > >> can i get a status >> report from those of you that are working on projects?(seth, matt, dean, >> judith, judah, colette, ron, michele, and anyone i missed ) :) > > > I'm still not working on anything, because I hadn't heard from anyone. > You had mentioned a project that Simon is working on. Should I get > in touch with him? What's his email address? From djc at starkmedia.com Fri May 18 16:07:00 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Fri May 18 16:07:00 2001 Subject: [thesite] new color schemes References: Message-ID: <3B05ACD6.30507@starkmedia.com> awesome! I really like the ocean and blue ones ron :) Ron White wrote: > http://members.evolt.org/ronwhite/index.htm > > Ocean and Wine are updated... Fall will be updated in about an hour or so... > Have to do some real (paying) work for a bit :-) > > On the wine, I wasn't especially happy with the title 2 text color, but it > was the one I disliked the least... any suggestions?? > > So you don't have to check source its the grey-green text on the magenta... From djc at starkmedia.com Fri May 18 16:10:50 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Fri May 18 16:10:50 2001 Subject: [thesite] judith was: friday is a good day.. References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010518082349.00a52270@mail.frognet.net> Message-ID: <3B05ADBF.6050700@starkmedia.com> Ok, sounds good! If you have any questions about what/why's with the code, just gimme a holler :) thanks again .djc. Judith Taylor wrote: > I hope to be able to get more done this weekend. I'm trying to make > intelligent comments and so it's a bit slow going as I'm not familiar > with the flow of the site...comments I make tend to deal with what is > calling what and being called where for why. That sounds more > complicated than it is - really! :o) Been doing a lot of back and forth > with the files....trimming out the unused files in the 'root' dir > helped. :o) > > Judith > > Daniel J. Cody put into words: > >> i'm takin off work on friday(today) to finish up thewife and to deal >> with the insane, but good, amount of traffic on thesite >> >> hopefully lots gets done, if its not too much to ask, can i get a >> status report from those of you that are working on projects?(seth, >> matt, dean, judith, judah, colette, ron, michele, and anyone i missed >> ) :) >> >> i'd appreciate, trying to get my - and evolts - ducks in a row :) From ronwhite at members.evolt.org Fri May 18 16:15:25 2001 From: ronwhite at members.evolt.org (Ron White) Date: Fri May 18 16:15:25 2001 Subject: [thesite] new color schemes In-Reply-To: <3B05ACD6.30507@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: Thanks :-) Not bad for a rookie color coordinator, eh? Ocean is my fav as well... I was going to call Blue, Deep Sea or Stormy Ocean, so it would be more of a theme, but left it as is for now... It was pretty fun doing it, I'm thinking I might have to start sliding more toward WebDev and away from Network Engineering :-) Thanks, Ron White -----Original Message----- From: thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Daniel J. Cody Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 7:15 PM To: thesite at lists.evolt.org Subject: Re: [thesite] new color schemes awesome! I really like the ocean and blue ones ron :) Ron White wrote: > http://members.evolt.org/ronwhite/index.htm > > Ocean and Wine are updated... Fall will be updated in about an hour or so... > Have to do some real (paying) work for a bit :-) > > On the wine, I wasn't especially happy with the title 2 text color, but it > was the one I disliked the least... any suggestions?? > > So you don't have to check source its the grey-green text on the magenta... _______________________________________________ http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/ and new & improved kentucky fried old archives: http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/ From djc at starkmedia.com Fri May 18 16:19:00 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Fri May 18 16:19:00 2001 Subject: [thesite] friday is a good day.. References: <200105181703.LAA01585@alice.monkeyland.ca> Message-ID: <3B05AFAB.4010201@starkmedia.com> shit.. i put a 256Mb and a 64Mb chip in there the other day and obviously the 256Mb one blinked.. i'll get it tomorrow.. sorry about that Dean Mah wrote: > Does the Oracle box really only have 64MB of RAM?!! That's not > enough. Oracle's minimum requirement is 128MB or 256MB. I couldn't > increase buffer cache by that much. I think the buffer cache hit > ratio is still around 30% which is way too low. It should be up in > the 80-90% range. From jeff at members.evolt.org Fri May 18 16:22:25 2001 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (jeff) Date: Fri May 18 16:22:25 2001 Subject: [thesite] friday is a good day.. In-Reply-To: <020d01c0dfd7$f6322ce0$93ac1b18@patk3mzsmhxpqb> Message-ID: matt, :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : From: Warden, Matt : : Well, the only misuse is really that it isn't : being used for a security reason, which is why : PRIV was created (right?). Setting a category : to a PRIV of 5 would be correct except for the : fact that we're doing it for an odd reason. :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ the trouble is that we still have to choose to use the PRIV column criteria on a category by category basis if we do that. for example, suggestions, jobs, and faq aren't supposed to be displayed in the homepage article query. however, when viewing these categories we don't care who the user is. the job category simply lists it's most recent content in a different location on the site (the sidebar). the suggestions category content is only viewable when selecting the suggestions category from the category dropdown. however, the category should still appear in the dropdown. the same is not true of the faq category. it should not appear in the category dropdown at all as its content is not intended to flow in with the rest of the content of thesite, but still use the same display (though slightly altered) mechanism. when the use of the PRIV column is integrated into thesite, the categories listed in the category dropdown will change depending on the user's PRIV setting. the articles they can view within a category will be affected by their PRIV setting. the determination of whether or not they can even view a certain category will be determined by their PRIV setting. consequently, using the PRIV setting as a means to control what's displayed on the homepage only serves to complicate the issue. :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : I'm not sure what you're getting at. What you : describe above is what we want. We don't want : those categories to show up in the category list : drop box. :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ah, but we *do* want them to show up in the category dropdown. suggestions and jobs being the most obvious ones that don't display on the homepage article listing, but still need to be accessible to everyone. :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : (though the submission page currently does not : restrict articles from being submitted to the : FAQ category). :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ the only reason it's not restricted from the submission page category dropdown is so that if we choose to task a non-admin with writing/submitting evolt FAQ material they will be able to do so without having to change their PRIV setting. :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : Do you see any other problems? The only problem : I have with this is that we're restricting display : based on a security column but for non-security : reasons. However, it might be better than adding : another column just for the display control. :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ correction: you're suggesting selectively restricting display based on a security column as opposed to restricting display in all cases based on the security column. that's the problem. make more sense? thanks, .jeff name://jeff.howden game://web.development http://www.evolt.org/ mailto:jeff at members.evolt.org From colette at wi.rr.com Fri May 18 16:24:40 2001 From: colette at wi.rr.com (Colette Brown) Date: Fri May 18 16:24:40 2001 Subject: [thesite] colette was: friday is a good day.. In-Reply-To: <3B05AC2C.50002@starkmedia.com> References: <3B04DFAC.4000706@starkmedia.com> <152531574.20010518075909@wi.rr.com> <3B05AC2C.50002@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <18530855848.20010518162433@wi.rr.com> Friday, May 18, 2001, 6:11:40 PM, Daniel J. Cody (djc at starkmedia.com) wrote: > Sorry :) > the project i was referering to was the new dir.evolt.org site that > simon wrote this week.. its done in php and mysql and sitting on one of > our boxes.. could you email him at ppxsjc1 at unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk and > see if there's anything he could use a hand with? I know he's going to > be workinng on it this weekend :) That's okay. Simon already contacted me and emailed me some code to work on. > oh, and where in milwaukee are you from? menomonee falls here.. if > you're free in the evening on the 30th, there are about 5 of us evolt > folks getting together for beers at the ale house on water around 6ish I'm from Brown Deer. I should be free that evening. Thanks for the invite. :) %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Colette Brown Blog: http://ziatroyano.org From djc at starkmedia.com Fri May 18 16:35:55 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Fri May 18 16:35:55 2001 Subject: [thesite] Re: [thesite]seth, was; friday is a good day.. References: Message-ID: <3B05B3A2.2090800@starkmedia.com> rock! you may want to get in touch with frank too.. he's been working on something with this too.. frank at interlog.com i think Seth Bienek wrote: > I should have the MBOX Mporter (cool name, eh? I made that up just now) and the tip parser complete by the end of this weekend. WooHoo! > > W3rd (to ya mutha), hahaa.. http://members.evolt.org/djc/five2one/z3/w3rd.gif :) .djc. From McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us Fri May 18 16:44:15 2001 From: McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us (McCreath_David) Date: Fri May 18 16:44:15 2001 Subject: [thesite] more damn schemes! Message-ID: <9627DBCB3063D311BC4B00902785C55F02A127B3@EXPO1> Okay, put up one more from elfur, and fixed the and .code colors. Also put up links to Ron's stuff, and Paola's tools (which are frikkin' awesome). http://members.evolt.org/mccreath/evolt/colorschemes/ Later David From ronwhite at members.evolt.org Fri May 18 16:56:55 2001 From: ronwhite at members.evolt.org (Ron White) Date: Fri May 18 16:56:55 2001 Subject: [thesite] more damn schemes! In-Reply-To: <9627DBCB3063D311BC4B00902785C55F02A127B3@EXPO1> Message-ID: Wow RED! is definitely a good name for that new one from elfur... :-) Thanks, Ron White -----Original Message----- From: thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of McCreath_David Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 5:44 PM To: Thesite (E-mail) Subject: [thesite] more damn schemes! Okay, put up one more from elfur, and fixed the and .code colors. Also put up links to Ron's stuff, and Paola's tools (which are frikkin' awesome). http://members.evolt.org/mccreath/evolt/colorschemes/ Later David _______________________________________________ http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/ and new & improved kentucky fried old archives: http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/ From lists at icongarden.com Fri May 18 20:50:51 2001 From: lists at icongarden.com (Jacob Stetser) Date: Fri May 18 20:50:51 2001 Subject: intro (was [thesite] Abbreviations and Welcome to the New Folks on Here) In-Reply-To: <3B04226D.EF91C680@starkmedia.com> References: <009801c0defb$52d32220$4be9a1d1@mef> <80108062776.20010517135758@wi.rr.com> <3B04226D.EF91C680@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: If you all need help with d.e.o stuff I'd be more than happy to lend a hand. I don't know the first thing about CF but PHP I can do! :) > >how comfortable are you with those? there is one app we do have written >in php/mysql that simon coggins wrote.. > -- From joshua at alphashop.net Fri May 18 21:14:31 2001 From: joshua at alphashop.net (Joshua OIson) Date: Fri May 18 21:14:31 2001 Subject: [thesite] more damn schemes! References: Message-ID: <005b01c0e009$bbc3e940$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> Lookie here, now everybody's getting involved. I don't want to be left out! :) members.evolt.org/joshua -joshua From djc at starkmedia.com Fri May 18 21:23:41 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Fri May 18 21:23:41 2001 Subject: intro (was [thesite] Abbreviations and Welcome to the New Folks on Here) References: <009801c0defb$52d32220$4be9a1d1@mef> <80108062776.20010517135758@wi.rr.com> <3B04226D.EF91C680@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <3B05F711.2050207@starkmedia.com> hey jacob - simon and colette are both working on the directory.evolt.org app - AFAIK, they're working it between themselves offlist. shoot them an email and let'em konw you're willing to help :) ppxsjc1 at unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk colette at wi.rr.com thanks for volunteering :) .djc. Jacob Stetser wrote: > If you all need help with d.e.o stuff I'd be more than happy to lend a > hand. I don't know the first thing about CF but PHP I can do! :) > >> >> how comfortable are you with those? there is one app we do have written >> in php/mysql that simon coggins wrote.. >> > From djc at starkmedia.com Fri May 18 21:39:16 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Fri May 18 21:39:16 2001 Subject: [thesite] more damn schemes! References: <005b01c0e009$bbc3e940$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> Message-ID: <3B05FAB4.7080404@starkmedia.com> they look good in IE, but still not working in mozilla :( just the 'content' part of the page isn't working.. backgrounds are fine, everything below the faq/contact/home images though is showing up as white text and blue links Joshua OIson wrote: > Lookie here, now everybody's getting involved. I don't want to be left out! > :) > > members.evolt.org/joshua > > -joshua > > > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/ > and new & improved kentucky fried old archives: > http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/ > From michele at wordpro.on.ca Fri May 18 22:30:27 2001 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Fri May 18 22:30:27 2001 Subject: [thesite] more damn schemes! References: <005b01c0e009$bbc3e940$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> Message-ID: <025401c0e014$151158c0$7be9a1d1@mef> Hey Josh .. Like I said to you earlier, this is AWESOME!!! So many good things are coming together for Evolt this week .. WOW!! Just playing now .. Can we edit a scheme? Each time I save, I need to give it a new name. Can you add two additional elements ... Article titles, visited status: a.title:visited (in CSS file) background colour for code snippets in text areas: .code (in CSS file) This is really awesome. Future implementation, can this be incorporated some way to allow users (logged in members) to create and pick their own stylesheets? Michele ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua OIson" To: Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 10:16 PM Subject: Re: [thesite] more damn schemes! | Lookie here, now everybody's getting involved. I don't want to be left out! | :) | | members.evolt.org/joshua | | -joshua | | | _______________________________________________ | http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/ | and new & improved kentucky fried old archives: | http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/ | From djc at starkmedia.com Fri May 18 22:34:27 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Fri May 18 22:34:27 2001 Subject: [thesite] more damn schemes! References: <005b01c0e009$bbc3e940$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> <025401c0e014$151158c0$7be9a1d1@mef> Message-ID: <3B0607A1.2020102@starkmedia.com> you're reading my mind mich :) whaddya say josh? if you had access to t.e.o could you slide it into a members page? Michele Foster wrote: > Future implementation, can this be incorporated some way to allow users > (logged in members) to create and pick their own stylesheets? From michele at wordpro.on.ca Fri May 18 22:42:12 2001 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Fri May 18 22:42:12 2001 Subject: [thesite] more damn schemes! References: <005b01c0e009$bbc3e940$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> <025401c0e014$151158c0$7be9a1d1@mef> <3B0607A1.2020102@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <026401c0e015$b8ef4f00$7be9a1d1@mef> Damn, that's bloody scary .. no wonder I have a headache (j/k) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel J. Cody" | you're reading my mind mich :) | | whaddya say josh? if you had access to t.e.o could you slide it into a | members page? | | Michele Foster wrote: | | | > Future implementation, can this be incorporated some way to allow users | > (logged in members) to create and pick their own stylesheets? | From michele at wordpro.on.ca Fri May 18 22:54:32 2001 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Fri May 18 22:54:32 2001 Subject: [thesite] more damn schemes! References: <005b01c0e009$bbc3e940$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> <025401c0e014$151158c0$7be9a1d1@mef> Message-ID: <027901c0e017$749a1ae0$7be9a1d1@mef> Josh, Found another element .. within .side (the font color) color : #D5DBD4 ; } /* SidebarTextColor */ Thanks, Michele ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michele Foster" | | Article titles, visited status: | | a.title:visited (in CSS file) | | background colour for code snippets in text areas: | | .code (in CSS file) | From joshua at alphashop.net Fri May 18 23:06:12 2001 From: joshua at alphashop.net (Joshua OIson) Date: Fri May 18 23:06:12 2001 Subject: [thesite] more damn schemes! References: <005b01c0e009$bbc3e940$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> <025401c0e014$151158c0$7be9a1d1@mef> <027901c0e017$749a1ae0$7be9a1d1@mef> Message-ID: <00a601c0e019$54bc6190$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> It's late... I'm going to bed... No more changes tonight, sorry. FYI, last years code-fest or pre-code-fest activities did generate an online tool for manageing the style sheet. But, if I remember it correctly it also let you set fonts and colors, etc. The one I built here could have it's interface expanded to include everything I suppose. I was trying to keep it compact and low profile, but I technicically could take up more space if I used session and separate windows--one for editing, one for previewing, etc. I'll get to the suggestions on monday and do more thinking about it this weekend. -joshua From djc at starkmedia.com Fri May 18 23:08:07 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Fri May 18 23:08:07 2001 Subject: [thesite] new authentication ideas for evolt Message-ID: <3B060F87.1090304@starkmedia.com> matt had an excellent idea today about our problem with logging into all of the new evolt sites we've got going right now. the problem is that we have X.evolt.org and what we're doing now is querying against that particular sites DB for member authentication. for sites that we *may* not want to have access to a copy of the user information, this is a bad thing. the need though still remains that we should have a centralized DB to authenticate against. the solution is pretty much a passport.com site just for evolt sites. example: i go to dan.evolt.org, the login form there goes to a centralized place, login.evolt.org for example. i enter my username and password, and the form submits to login.evolt.org.. login.evolt.org does a lookup on the info that got sent, checks it against our main DB, and if i'm a registered member, it sets a cookie for the *.evolt.org domain and redirects me back to the dan.evolt.org site. dan.evolt.org then checks for an *.evolt.org cookie, and if i have it, authenticates me. other info like username and userid could be put in this cookie as well. this is a good thing because we're not tied down to one language anymore. if dan.evolt.org runs python, i just code that page to check for the *.evolt.org cookie. i'm still working out the details and process for this. anyone got comments or other stuff that could expediate it or thoughts? this could be a really good thing IMO. props to matt for suggesting it :) .djc. From michele at wordpro.on.ca Fri May 18 23:15:52 2001 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Fri May 18 23:15:52 2001 Subject: [thesite] more damn schemes! References: <005b01c0e009$bbc3e940$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> <025401c0e014$151158c0$7be9a1d1@mef> <027901c0e017$749a1ae0$7be9a1d1@mef> <00a601c0e019$54bc6190$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> Message-ID: <028d01c0e01a$6e735e80$7be9a1d1@mef> Thanks again Joshua.. Others can have a play and provide comments/feedback .. and those involved .. more specifically if this is something we'd want to allow general users to pick and choose their style for viewing w.e.o. have a great weekend. :) Michele ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua OIson" | It's late... I'm going to bed... No more changes tonight, sorry. FYI, last | years code-fest or pre-code-fest activities did generate an online tool for | manageing the style sheet. But, if I remember it correctly it also let you | set fonts and colors, etc. The one I built here could have it's interface | expanded to include everything I suppose. I was trying to keep it compact | and low profile, but I technicically could take up more space if I used | session and separate windows--one for editing, one for previewing, etc. From mwarden at odyssey-design.com Fri May 18 23:49:12 2001 From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Fri May 18 23:49:12 2001 Subject: [thesite] new authentication ideas for evolt References: <3B060F87.1090304@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <019301c0e01f$142941b0$93ac1b18@patk3mzsmhxpqb> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 kick-ass-hard-core-evolters-on-thesite, > the solution is pretty much a passport.com site just for evolt > sites. example: i go to dan.evolt.org, the login form there goes > to a > centralized place, login.evolt.org for example. i enter my username > and password, and the form submits to login.evolt.org.. > login.evolt.org does a lookup on the info that got sent, checks it > against our main DB, and if i'm a registered member, it sets a > cookie for the *.evolt.org domain and redirects me back to the > dan.evolt.org site. dan.evolt.org then checks for an *.evolt.org > cookie, and if i have it, authenticates me. other info like > username and userid could be put in this cookie as well. this is a > good thing because we're not tied down to one language > anymore. if dan.evolt.org runs python, i just code that page to > check for the *.evolt.org cookie. ... > this could be a really good thing IMO. props to matt for suggesting > it :) Well, yeah... this is besically what I had in mind. But, I didn't suggest the exact solution above for two reasons (that are actually really only one reason, but whatever): 1. "Foreign keys" of a user id can't be enforced 2. There doesn't seem to be a way to stop Joe User from sending a cookie header with his PerlSkript that just said he was userid 1230293774. Actually, what I had originally suggested was a signup.evolt.org or join.evolt.org or allyourinfoarebelongtous.evolt.org which would be our current "Join" page. However, it would insert into the user table in multiple datasources (one for weo's, one for feo's, etc.). And each subsite's "Join" link would go to signup.evolt.org passing a styleid which would be used to keep the colors and style the same as the subsite from which the user originated. Basically, it would use weo.css if the styleid was "weo", feo.css if the styleid was "feo", etc. The login stuff was something separate. I had originally thought I was going to authenticate feo through weo's login handler (so i could use weo's user table) and have that handler redirect to the feo url. Somewhere in my conversations with dan I managed to mush these altogether and I'm actually quite surprised he came out of it understanding WTF I was talking about. Way to go, dan! if now()=bedtime then -- mattwarden mattwarden.com end if -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOwX7UXgH0dUmEhrcEQI4tACgpSSZvRalmbOD0D+QovS7MrNB0fYAoKV6 Z5CFKZKz92+Ud3do/W8XV+rL =a9Ks -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From michele at wordpro.on.ca Sat May 19 00:23:12 2001 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Sat May 19 00:23:12 2001 Subject: [thesite] Abbreviations and Welcome to the New Folks on Here References: Message-ID: <030a01c0e023$d6575a20$7be9a1d1@mef> Not limited to 216 colours. Michele ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron White" | Does it have to be web safe or can I expand out? From michele at wordpro.on.ca Sat May 19 00:36:02 2001 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Sat May 19 00:36:02 2001 Subject: CSS small error .... was .... Re: [thesite] Re: [thelist] got a minute for evolt? References: <9627DBCB3063D311BC4B00902785C55F02A127B1@EXPO1> Message-ID: <038501c0e025$a375ec00$7be9a1d1@mef> Thanks David .. I updated my personal files, and the archived version on my m.e.o. site. Michele ----- Original Message ----- From: "McCreath_David" | Hi, Michele - | | I've fixed it and attached it. Can somebody with upload privs put this on | t.e.o so we can make sure that it doesn't do something stupid? I'll check | the stylesheets for the other domains later. | From djc at starkmedia.com Sat May 19 01:51:57 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Sat May 19 01:51:57 2001 Subject: [thesite] someone playing with t.e.o? Message-ID: <3B0635EC.7000203@starkmedia.com> its throwing an error on the top page.. just wondering, i'm trying to throw some new code up there. .djc. From r937 at interlog.com Sat May 19 08:33:25 2001 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Sat May 19 08:33:25 2001 Subject: [thesite] saturday is shaping up pretty nicely too... Message-ID: <01c0e068$47a9b9e0$c14a149a@rudy> >Where is the latest database design diagram? hi matt sorry for the delay, i went offline yesterday and started celebrating after the raptors just beat the living sh.... oh, sorry, hope there ain't any sixers fans here... sunday i don't plan to be online much, either... football in the morning, beer after the football, then game 7 in philly... the last diagram is http://members.evolt.org/rudy/oracle4.gif note this is over a year old and somewhat out of date, but it is still adequate to explain the relationships between tables the "member pages" project, recently revitalized, will use the MEMBER, MEMBATTR, and ATTRIBUTE tables -- note that people will have one member record but possibly several user records (one at work, one at home, etc.) the "customizable styles" project, which will enable users to design their own look for the evolt site, will use the SCHEME, SCHEMELEMENT, and ELEMENT tables -- note that these will be tied to the USER record, not the MEMBER record i think those tables need a quick review for the consistent application of PRIV the diagram was produced by a data modelling product called ERwin, which i was using at my last job -- i think i *cough* forgot to uninstall it from my home computer, though, so i can keep making diagrams me personally i have been getting by fine with the raw DESCRIBE outputs, although they don't show the foreign key relationships as nicely as a diagram it is always a good idea to do a DESCRIBE anyway, just to confirm the table actually looks the same as you think it does... don't get me wrong, that wasn't a snide remark, i think it is a good thing? that other people besides myself can go in and alter a table speaking of which, we must really do something about those LONG columns -- i think dean had an answer to that recently, let me go dive into the archives to see if i can find it... rudy From r937 at interlog.com Sat May 19 08:43:30 2001 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Sat May 19 08:43:30 2001 Subject: [thesite] friday is a good day.. Message-ID: <01c0e069$b3b75ba0$c14a149a@rudy> > Oracle optimizes the queries into almost exactly the same thing. hi dean thanks for those (output from explain plan?) pretty neat, and you can see from the indentation that it can make a big difference whether the database does something inside a deeply nested loop or outside... this just reinforces my experience that there will usually be several ways to code a query and they can have radically different execution times i wonder if we will ever have to use oracle's HINT feature.... > In Oracle you do outer joins by marking the table with (+). > I don't think, at least in Oracle7, that SQL92's outer join > syntax is supported. yeah, i knew the old way of doing it (didn't sql server have something similar with an asterisk?) the new join syntax is much more elegant, because it isolates the join conditions away from the filter predicates in the WHERE clause > In Oracle7 there wasn't any conception on the SELECT TOP or LIMIT.. > You can try using Oracle's rownum or rowid but I don't think that it will > get you exactly what you want. troodat let me go read ahead and see what jeff says, i skimmed the posts and i know he's talking about cache... rudy From r937 at interlog.com Sat May 19 08:53:05 2001 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Sat May 19 08:53:05 2001 Subject: [thesite] friday is a good day.. Message-ID: <01c0e06b$069626c0$c14a149a@rudy> > i think we can minimize the use of that subselect to only > those instances where the user is logged in. > > > (SELECT Count(*) > FROM replies > WHERE contentid = content.contentid > AND datemod > '#DateFormat(session.user.lastlogin)#' > ) AS newcomments > > (SELECT '0' > FROM replies > ) AS newcomments > hi jeff excellent idea!! dean, did you put an index on replies.datemod? i think that would really help this subquery >(aside: can i do a select without specifying a table?) no you can select from DUAL as matt suggested however, for the query above, i think what you are really looking for is this -- 0 AS newcomments (o; >:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >: does oracle support anything like microsoft's >: SELECT TOP or mysql's LIMIT? >:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >good question, but that won't help us out in this situation as we need to >generate the entire resultset in order to page through since coldfusion >needs to have the entire resultset for startrow and maxrows attributes of >the cfoutput to work properly. thank you, thank you this has finally put to rest a question that's been bugging me for a long time paging through a result set (next/previous 10 records, et cetera) is done entirely in cold fusion and the database is not re-queried that's exactly the way i had hoped it was done thanks jeff, you da man From r937 at interlog.com Sat May 19 09:01:40 2001 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Sat May 19 09:01:40 2001 Subject: [thesite] friday is a good day.. Message-ID: <01c0e06c$2f4ae0a0$c14a149a@rudy> > I'm finding myself drifting more and more towards Rudy's (c), > and Celko's side of the court on my thoughts about triggers. hey joshua, what side am i on? i forget so easily ;o( i'm still trying to get through this discussion about a RANK column that gets updated throughout the database... so far i'm either not understanding it, or else i'm understanding it and not liking it very much... sheesh, i need more coffee rudy From r937 at interlog.com Sat May 19 09:03:05 2001 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Sat May 19 09:03:05 2001 Subject: [thesite] friday is a good day.. Message-ID: <01c0e06c$6e7ab840$c14a149a@rudy> > consequently, using the PRIV setting as a means to control what's > displayed on the homepage only serves to complicate the issue. +1 From elfur at elfur.is Sat May 19 09:16:35 2001 From: elfur at elfur.is (Elfur Logadottir) Date: Sat May 19 09:16:35 2001 Subject: [thesite] the evolt themes burstout Message-ID: <10b601c0e06e$47eb4800$40aefea9@DWARFS> so I've set mine up on my own members space - with links to all others too. http://members.evolt.org/elfur/evolt/themes/index.html later *the innovative one* From r937 at interlog.com Sat May 19 09:23:10 2001 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Sat May 19 09:23:10 2001 Subject: [thesite] the evolt themes burstout Message-ID: <01c0e06f$346faea0$c14a149a@rudy> > http://members.evolt.org/elfur/evolt/themes/index.html very nice collection " showing my (misfotunate) creative side " huh? misfotunate? nothing wrong with your creativity, young lady also, regarding the classic look, i'm afraid i didn't really have any input on it other than maybe to mention that i really liked the old look -- david took it from there and did the work, and now you... rudy From elfur at members.evolt.org Sat May 19 09:35:55 2001 From: elfur at members.evolt.org (Elfur Logadottir) Date: Sat May 19 09:35:55 2001 Subject: [thesite] the evolt themes burstout References: <01c0e06f$346faea0$c14a149a@rudy> Message-ID: <10f201c0e070$fa4e2c40$40aefea9@DWARFS> From: "rudy" | > http://members.evolt.org/elfur/evolt/themes/index.html | | very nice collection thanks | " showing my (misfotunate) creative side " | | huh? misfotunate? | | nothing wrong with your creativity, young lady and now it looks like I was fishing - which I wasn't - I swear | also, regarding the classic look, i'm afraid i didn't really have any input | on it other than maybe to mention that i really liked the old look -- david | took it from there and did the work, and now you... you mean, you want your name out of there? *the icelandic one* From judi at frognet.net Sat May 19 09:36:35 2001 From: judi at frognet.net (Judith Taylor) Date: Sat May 19 09:36:35 2001 Subject: [thesite] the evolt themes burstout In-Reply-To: <10b601c0e06e$47eb4800$40aefea9@DWARFS> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010519103406.00a6b230@mail.frognet.net> Neat page in IE however it looks horrid in NN4.7... grey background (no background color), blue-grey text...no pretty lower borders for the h2 or h3 tags....etc. ;o) Judt thought you'd want to know.... Elfur Logadottir put into words: >so I've set mine up on my own members space - with links to all others too. > >http://members.evolt.org/elfur/evolt/themes/index.html > >later >*the innovative one* Judith Taylor ICQ: 67460562 Freelance ColdFusion Developer - Athens, OH Friends don't let friends code before coffee. From elfur at members.evolt.org Sat May 19 09:43:50 2001 From: elfur at members.evolt.org (Elfur Logadottir) Date: Sat May 19 09:43:50 2001 Subject: [thesite] the evolt themes burstout References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010519103406.00a6b230@mail.frognet.net> Message-ID: <111001c0e072$16de12c0$40aefea9@DWARFS> From: "Judith Taylor" | Neat page in IE however it looks horrid in NN4.7... grey background (no | background color), blue-grey text...no pretty lower borders for the h2 or | h3 tags....etc. ;o) I hear ya, but I'm actually stumped. why isn't nn listening to the css at all? (apart from the body declaration) it's not like I haven't designed for nn before ... *the puzzled one* From elfur at members.evolt.org Sat May 19 10:23:31 2001 From: elfur at members.evolt.org (Elfur Logadottir) Date: Sat May 19 10:23:31 2001 Subject: [thesite] the evolt themes burstout References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010519103406.00a6b230@mail.frognet.net> <111001c0e072$16de12c0$40aefea9@DWARFS> Message-ID: <111a01c0e077$a2300540$40aefea9@DWARFS> From: "Elfur Logadottir" | | Neat page in IE however it looks horrid in NN4.7... grey background (no | | background color), blue-grey text...no pretty lower borders for the h2 | or | | h3 tags....etc. ;o) | | I hear ya, but I'm actually stumped. | never mind, i figured it out - stupid ns. it doesn't look as it's supposed to, but I'll live ... *the stupid one* From mwarden at odyssey-design.com Sat May 19 11:07:16 2001 From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Sat May 19 11:07:16 2001 Subject: [thesite] someone playing with t.e.o? References: <3B0635EC.7000203@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <009401c0e07d$d89a7970$93ac1b18@patk3mzsmhxpqb> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > its throwing an error on the top page.. > > just wondering, i'm trying to throw some new code up there. getting the same error on weo.e.o, f.e.o, and t.e.o. Oracle is puking, no? Those are all on the leo box, I believe. If i matters, I get the error in a different place depending on whether I have the "remember me" cookie or not. r0ck, - -- mattwarden mattwarden.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOwaaT3gH0dUmEhrcEQJ5jgCg3HLvBk/EgeNFDg3MRRk18DyDxiUAniCp iTLt+agr2z7kejg4CAub3smj =mweR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jeff at members.evolt.org Sat May 19 13:10:06 2001 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (jeff) Date: Sat May 19 13:10:06 2001 Subject: [thesite] someone playing with t.e.o? In-Reply-To: <3B0635EC.7000203@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: djc, :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : From: Daniel J. Cody : : its throwing an error on the top page.. : : just wondering, i'm trying to throw some : new code up there. :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ fwiw, it's oracle puking again -- like it did recently on w.e.o. restart the db service and maybe the cf service too and all will be fine. thanks, .jeff name://jeff.howden game://web.development http://www.evolt.org/ mailto:jeff at members.evolt.org From elfur at members.evolt.org Sat May 19 13:25:17 2001 From: elfur at members.evolt.org (Elfur Logadottir) Date: Sat May 19 13:25:17 2001 Subject: [thesite] the evolt themes burstout References: <10b601c0e06e$47eb4800$40aefea9@DWARFS> Message-ID: <116701c0e091$07b758f0$40aefea9@DWARFS> From: "Elfur Logadottir" | http://members.evolt.org/elfur/evolt/themes/index.html | and i'm bored, so i added three more blatant color themes please feel free to try it yourself and send us your result. you can either send the stylesheet itself and mccreath and/or i will store it for you, or you can set up your own evolt stylesheet space somewhere and send a link to it. later elfur From roselli at earthlink.net Sat May 19 13:31:22 2001 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Sat May 19 13:31:22 2001 Subject: [thesite] the evolt themes burstout In-Reply-To: <116701c0e091$07b758f0$40aefea9@DWARFS> Message-ID: <3B068345.25326.2C438C88@localhost> > From: "Elfur Logadottir" > > | http://members.evolt.org/elfur/evolt/themes/index.html > | > > and i'm bored, so i added three more blatant color themes good for you... > please feel free to try it yourself and send us your result. > you can either send the stylesheet itself and mccreath and/or i will > store it for you, or you can set up your own evolt stylesheet space > somewhere and send a link to it. you should know that silver, lavender, green, and blurange on my site were all created by isaac... i just posted them (i maybe coded them, too, but who the hell knows)... anyway, i'm refining my heaven/hell themes now (never got around to it) and working on a new 'stealth' theme... yeah. i'm now wearing pants... From elfur at members.evolt.org Sat May 19 13:35:37 2001 From: elfur at members.evolt.org (Elfur Logadottir) Date: Sat May 19 13:35:37 2001 Subject: [thesite] the evolt themes burstout References: <3B068345.25326.2C438C88@localhost> Message-ID: <117501c0e092$78e56340$40aefea9@DWARFS> From: "aardvark" | > and i'm bored, so i added three more blatant color themes | | good for you... heh, thanks - i think. | you should know that silver, lavender, green, and blurange on my | site were all created by isaac... i just posted them (i maybe coded | them, too, but who the hell knows)... oh, ok, I'll change that. | anyway, i'm refining my heaven/hell themes now (never got around | to it) and working on a new 'stealth' theme... please let us know when ready. | i'm now wearing pants... and this time I *know* it's not pleather. From roselli at earthlink.net Sat May 19 16:12:22 2001 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Sat May 19 16:12:22 2001 Subject: [thesite] new styles Message-ID: <3B06A8F7.27337.2CD6D1DC@localhost> 4 styles, 2 of 'em are refactored older ones: - Stealth - A Fist Apart and the refactored ones: - Heaven - Hell (those of you who care, you might notice that heaven and hell are the negative/opposite/inversion of each other... don't believe me? take a screen cap of each and paste them into Photoshop... either invert one of them or paste them in one document on different layers and play with the 'difference' mode... of course, the tab and such didn't change...) From mwarden at odyssey-design.com Sat May 19 18:00:28 2001 From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Sat May 19 18:00:28 2001 Subject: [thesite] new styles References: <3B06A8F7.27337.2CD6D1DC@localhost> Message-ID: <004f01c0e0b7$90fed270$93ac1b18@patk3mzsmhxpqb> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > - Stealth fyi, this one is barely readable on my laptop's monitor. might want to try greater contrast. wait, did I just give design advice? ick. i'm going now... - -- mattwarden mattwarden.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOwb7JngH0dUmEhrcEQKl8QCeOaE/6Lrtq1lWuwRGmwzrPQIyux4AoOKt fQBW+rGhFD6xNMhhE9T96yM6 =ejsy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From roselli at earthlink.net Sat May 19 19:12:34 2001 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Sat May 19 19:12:34 2001 Subject: [thesite] new styles In-Reply-To: <004f01c0e0b7$90fed270$93ac1b18@patk3mzsmhxpqb> Message-ID: <3B06D32F.21336.2D7BC241@localhost> > From: "Warden, Matt" > > > - Stealth > > fyi, this one is barely readable on my laptop's monitor. might want to > try greater contrast. wait, did I just give design advice? ick. i'm > going now... feh, it's nearly illegible on my machine as well... that's the point... it's *stealth*... if you can't see it, then neither can the guy looking over your shoulder... From joshua at alphashop.net Sat May 19 21:31:49 2001 From: joshua at alphashop.net (Joshua OIson) Date: Sat May 19 21:31:49 2001 Subject: [thesite] more damn schemes! References: <005b01c0e009$bbc3e940$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> <025401c0e014$151158c0$7be9a1d1@mef> Message-ID: <026b01c0e0d5$51aafc70$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> Michelle (and Dan) Okay.. added most of the colors. Only a couple left unaccounted for now. Let me know what else I can set up. > Can we edit a scheme? Each time I save, I need to give it a new name. To answer your question about changing a scheme... I'd love to set up a way to edit a scheme and save right over the top of it, but claiming ownership on a scheme so you can modify it is a little bit less than trivial. While I am experienced with logins etc, I'm not sure I want to pursue that right now. Most likely, I'll just code with without that ownership concept, then if it gets incorporated into the main system I can just use the built in ownership model. Make sense. For now, just modify a scheme and save it back out as a new name or whatever. > Future implementation, can this be incorporated some way to allow users > (logged in members) to create and pick their own stylesheets? Maybe in the future. This thing is still infant... let's let it grow up a bit first! -joshua From michele at wordpro.on.ca Sat May 19 23:11:44 2001 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Sat May 19 23:11:44 2001 Subject: [thesite] more damn schemes! References: <005b01c0e009$bbc3e940$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> <025401c0e014$151158c0$7be9a1d1@mef> <026b01c0e0d5$51aafc70$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> Message-ID: <047601c0e0e3$0c201100$7be9a1d1@mef> Hey Josh, Thanks for the additions. I noticed several different schemes have been created, are those yours? They are all really good. I'll modify my sunset theme a bit more. How can I USE a theme? I'm building x app. and really like a theme on that page, what's the CSS file I need to work with? I really like this tool. Anyone else on thesite been playing around with it? Whatcha all think of it? (http://members.evolt.org/joshua/) Michele ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua OIson" | Michelle (and Dan) | | Okay.. added most of the colors. Only a couple left unaccounted for now. | Let me know what else I can set up. From mwarden at odyssey-design.com Sun May 20 00:36:40 2001 From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Sun May 20 00:36:40 2001 Subject: [thesite] more damn schemes! References: <005b01c0e009$bbc3e940$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> <025401c0e014$151158c0$7be9a1d1@mef> <026b01c0e0d5$51aafc70$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> <047601c0e0e3$0c201100$7be9a1d1@mef> Message-ID: <002001c0e0ee$e6ce1e40$93ac1b18@patk3mzsmhxpqb> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > I noticed several different schemes have been created, are those > yours? They are all really good. Um, "Blooey" is me fooling around with the app. It r0ckx0rzez, by the way. g'night, - -- mattwarden mattwarden.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOwdX93gH0dUmEhrcEQILDwCgqoMW/LLN3NbQlPFPOROgrI7geXsAniWN yiokAKYpnpcs/Hl2LbP5smyl =yuxW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From judi at frognet.net Sun May 20 12:40:33 2001 From: judi at frognet.net (Judith Taylor) Date: Sun May 20 12:40:33 2001 Subject: [thesite] t.e.o still puked by Oracle Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010520133558.00a9b830@mail.frognet.net> Has anyone restarted the Oracle and CF servers for t.e.o? Judith Taylor ICQ: 67460562 Freelance ColdFusion Developer - Athens, OH Friends don't let friends code before coffee. From judi at frognet.net Sun May 20 13:52:18 2001 From: judi at frognet.net (Judith Taylor) Date: Sun May 20 13:52:18 2001 Subject: [thesite] Oracle puking Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010520144521.00a2b0c0@mail.frognet.net> Just an addendum to my first question.....Oracle seems to be puking at two different points for t.e.o If I still have a cookie set by w.e.o, t.e.o is puked by the cookie's existence. If I logout (thereby destroying the cookie) it pukes on the content, users, categorys tables in the 'main' query. All because in trying to get these comments done, I try to see what they look like in action....w.e.o doesn't quite work the same.....*drama queen sigh* ;o) Judith Judith Taylor ICQ: 67460562 Freelance ColdFusion Developer - Athens, OH Friends don't let friends code before coffee. From judi at frognet.net Sun May 20 13:56:38 2001 From: judi at frognet.net (Judith Taylor) Date: Sun May 20 13:56:38 2001 Subject: [thesite] Oracle puking In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010520144521.00a2b0c0@mail.frognet.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010520145528.00a31120@mail.frognet.net> OK, so I was wrong about w.e.o....*mutters about paying closer attention to the urls when doing things* *sigh* I put into words: >Just an addendum to my first question.....Oracle seems to be puking at two >different points for t.e.o > >If I still have a cookie set by w.e.o, t.e.o is puked by the cookie's >existence. If I logout (thereby destroying the cookie) it pukes on the >content, users, categorys tables in the 'main' query. > >All because in trying to get these comments done, I try to see what they >look like in action....w.e.o doesn't quite work the same.....*drama queen >sigh* ;o) Judith Taylor ICQ: 67460562 Freelance ColdFusion Developer - Athens, OH Friends don't let friends code before coffee. From ppxsjc1 at unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk Sun May 20 15:36:39 2001 From: ppxsjc1 at unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk (Simon Coggins) Date: Sun May 20 15:36:39 2001 Subject: [thesite] Colour schemes Message-ID: Hi All, I've just had a look at the evolt colour schemes that everyone has been working on. Although I really like most of them, I thought that in general they were much brighter than the schemes used on the existing pages. I've been playing around with the directory over the weekend and I've uploaded a new version to my members area: http://members.evolt.org/astro38/evolt/ For now I've used the emerald colour scheme. If it's not possible to use that one, the two purple ones also seem to match okay too. What does everyone think? Simon From mwarden at odyssey-design.com Sun May 20 16:31:29 2001 From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Sun May 20 16:31:29 2001 Subject: [thesite] Colour schemes References: Message-ID: <009701c0e174$1f0bd920$93ac1b18@patk3mzsmhxpqb> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > I've been playing around with the directory over the weekend and > I've uploaded a new version to my members area: > > http://members.evolt.org/astro38/evolt/ > > For now I've used the emerald colour scheme. If it's not possible > to use that one, the two purple ones also seem to match okay too. The emerald one is not in use. The light purple one is called by me, though ;-) Btw, the emerald looks nice. Fwiw, my picture of d.e.o was a dull-reddish (more red than meo) version. Just thought I'd throw that out there. One suggestion: http://members.evolt.org/astro38/evolt/index.php?viewCat=2 More vertical space between folders and items in that directory. g'day, - -- mattwarden mattwarden.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOwg3fngH0dUmEhrcEQKhdQCaAzoOtRsaE99b3wVSMpBofqV+fW0AoIz6 w7BuoXRFMohur1OOGZfkzKsK =blCP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From djc at starkmedia.com Sun May 20 22:44:16 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Sun May 20 22:44:16 2001 Subject: [thesite] Oracle puking References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010520144521.00a2b0c0@mail.frognet.net> Message-ID: <3B088EDC.72898227@starkmedia.com> should be good to go now.. i had to buy some new memory for oracle today and just got it installed.. dean et al, everything should be good to go now, its back to 324M of ram sorry took so long :) Judith Taylor wrote: > > Just an addendum to my first question.....Oracle seems to be puking at two > different points for t.e.o > > If I still have a cookie set by w.e.o, t.e.o is puked by the cookie's > existence. If I logout (thereby destroying the cookie) it pukes on the > content, users, categorys tables in the 'main' query. > > All because in trying to get these comments done, I try to see what they > look like in action....w.e.o doesn't quite work the same.....*drama queen > sigh* ;o) > > Judith > > Judith Taylor > ICQ: 67460562 > Freelance ColdFusion Developer - Athens, OH > > Friends don't let friends code before coffee. > > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/ > and new & improved kentucky fried old archives: > http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/ From djc at starkmedia.com Sun May 20 22:45:36 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Sun May 20 22:45:36 2001 Subject: [thesite] Colour schemes References: Message-ID: <3B088F2B.A223B0B@starkmedia.com> looks yummy!! did you get the FTP info i sent you and colette for d.e.o? .djc. Simon Coggins wrote: > > Hi All, > > I've just had a look at the evolt colour schemes that everyone has been > working on. Although I really like most of them, I thought that in general > they were much brighter than the schemes used on the existing pages. > > I've been playing around with the directory over the weekend and I've > uploaded a new version to my members area: > > http://members.evolt.org/astro38/evolt/ > > For now I've used the emerald colour scheme. If it's not possible to use > that one, the two purple ones also seem to match okay too. > > What does everyone think? > > Simon > > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/ > and new & improved kentucky fried old archives: > http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/ From djc at starkmedia.com Sun May 20 22:46:31 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Sun May 20 22:46:31 2001 Subject: [thesite] someone playing with t.e.o? References: Message-ID: <3B088F63.9C20C33B@starkmedia.com> good to go, sorry about the interuption. jeff wrote: > > djc, > > :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > : From: Daniel J. Cody > : > : its throwing an error on the top page.. > : > : just wondering, i'm trying to throw some > : new code up there. > :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > fwiw, it's oracle puking again -- like it did recently on w.e.o. restart > the db service and maybe the cf service too and all will be fine. > > thanks, > > .jeff > > name://jeff.howden > game://web.development > http://www.evolt.org/ > mailto:jeff at members.evolt.org > > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/ > and new & improved kentucky fried old archives: > http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/ From djc at starkmedia.com Sun May 20 22:52:31 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Sun May 20 22:52:31 2001 Subject: [thesite] front page query.. Message-ID: <3B0890CE.EB46ECD1@starkmedia.com> with oracle getting all its memory back, and in addition to dean modifying the buffers, the main query on the front page is coming up in about 5.4 seconds, not too bad :) From dsmah at home.com Sun May 20 23:01:26 2001 From: dsmah at home.com (Dean Mah) Date: Sun May 20 23:01:26 2001 Subject: [thesite] friday is a good day.. In-Reply-To: <01c0e069$b3b75ba0$c14a149a@rudy> from "rudy" at May 19, 2001 09:43:35 AM Message-ID: <200105210405.WAA01330@alice.monkeyland.ca> rudy writes: > > Oracle optimizes the queries into almost exactly the same thing. > > thanks for those (output from explain plan?) Yeah, that was from explain plan. > i wonder if we will ever have to use oracle's HINT feature.... I tried playing with hints for the query but it didn't really affect the performance. Dean From dsmah at home.com Sun May 20 23:05:31 2001 From: dsmah at home.com (Dean Mah) Date: Sun May 20 23:05:31 2001 Subject: [thesite] friday is a good day.. In-Reply-To: <01c0e06b$069626c0$c14a149a@rudy> from "rudy" at May 19, 2001 09:53:04 AM Message-ID: <200105210409.WAA01366@alice.monkeyland.ca> rudy writes: > dean, did you put an index on replies.datemod? i think that would > really help this subquery I didn't before. I've just added it now. I have an index on replies.contentid which seemed to speed up the original query. Dean From r937 at interlog.com Mon May 21 06:45:28 2001 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Mon May 21 06:45:28 2001 Subject: [thesite] friday is a good day.. Message-ID: <01c0e1ea$fa1ee720$854a149a@rudy> >> dean, did you put an index on replies.datemod? i think that would >> really help this subquery > >I didn't before. I've just added it now. I have an index on >replies.contentid which seemed to speed up the original query. in general, an index on a sequence-generated primary key can only help speed up joins (and of course queries on individual records) an index on replies.datemod might speed up queries like where datemod > '#DateFormat(session.user.lastlogin)#' i say "might" because it's not guaranteed, if the inequality is part of a complex join like the query for the home page, it might ignored the tradeoff is in updates versus retrievals, and considering how often comments are added, having another index to update is not going to hurt us.... rudy From ronwhite at members.evolt.org Mon May 21 07:42:44 2001 From: ronwhite at members.evolt.org (Ron White) Date: Mon May 21 07:42:44 2001 Subject: [thesite] Saturday is shaping up pretty nicely too... In-Reply-To: <01c0e068$47a9b9e0$c14a149a@rudy> Message-ID: >started celebrating after the raptors just beat the living sh.... >oh, sorry, hope there ain't any sixers fans here... I've been Sixers fan since the early 70's... >game 7 in Philly... Oops, VC missed the shot... Must've been that early morning jaunt from Chapel Hill... Thanks, Ron White From r937 at interlog.com Mon May 21 08:29:05 2001 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Mon May 21 08:29:05 2001 Subject: [thesite] Saturday is shaping up pretty nicely too... Message-ID: <01c0e1f9$ef4ed080$854a149a@rudy> >Oops, VC missed the shot... yeah, i guess i asked for that, eh > Must've been that early morning jaunt from Chapel Hill... oh, come on, that's a cheap shot -- it had nothing to do with his performance on the court now that the raps are gone, i'm pulling for the bucks and spurs *anyone* but the lakers or sixers, really.... and although we don't make a big deal about it on thesite, it never hurts to toss in a tip for wildly offtopic posts nothing wrong with a table that's designed to hold only one row -- oracle has one called dual (aside: anybody know where that name comes from?) use a 1-row table to store all the miscellaneous bits of variable information that an application might need, especially if it at first appears that there's little chance they will change -- for example, current sales tax rate, which doesn't change often, but when it does, you don't want to be hunting for it in code... rudy From djc at starkmedia.com Mon May 21 09:17:30 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Mon May 21 09:17:30 2001 Subject: [thesite] Saturday is shaping up pretty nicely too... References: <01c0e1f9$ef4ed080$854a149a@rudy> Message-ID: <3B092349.D5B9E9@starkmedia.com> rudy, i was pulling for th raptors too all day.. i wanted the bucks to have home court, and we've got a better record against the rap's :) did you know milwaukee was undefeated against LA and SA this year in the reg season ??? Go Bucks! .djc. rudy wrote: > now that the raps are gone, i'm pulling for the bucks and spurs > > *anyone* but the lakers or sixers, really.... > > and although we don't make a big deal about it on thesite, it never hurts > to toss in a tip for wildly offtopic posts From dsmah at home.com Mon May 21 10:37:27 2001 From: dsmah at home.com (Dean Mah) Date: Mon May 21 10:37:27 2001 Subject: [thesite] Saturday is shaping up pretty nicely too... In-Reply-To: <01c0e1f9$ef4ed080$854a149a@rudy> from "rudy" at May 21, 2001 09:28:34 AM Message-ID: <200105211541.JAA00877@alice.monkeyland.ca> The legend is that the table originally contained two rows and hence the name dual. Don't know how true that is. Dean rudy writes: > nothing wrong with a table that's designed to hold only one row -- > oracle has one called dual (aside: anybody know where that name > comes from?) From mccreath at ak.net Tue May 22 08:15:00 2001 From: mccreath at ak.net (mccreath) Date: Tue May 22 08:15:00 2001 Subject: [thesite] d.e.o layout Message-ID: Hey, Simon-- d.e.o is looking great. I like that emerald scheme and I'm glad it's being used. :) I have some questions about the layout for the group in general. When we started migrating l.e.o and b.e.o to the new layout back in January we talked about leaving the blacktabnavbarthingie at the top of the page the same on all the domains, with the nav menu in it. Should we continue with that? In the case of d.e.o it would mean moving the search field, probably down into the side bar where it is on w.e.o. Does that seem reasonable? The other question is about the breadcrumbs and the sidebar. On the other domains, the sidebar is always in contact with the blacktabnavbarthingie, which I think I prefer to the gap that d.e.o's breadcrumb trail currently creates. Opinions? David From michele at wordpro.on.ca Tue May 22 08:19:40 2001 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Tue May 22 08:19:40 2001 Subject: [thesite] Question .. Searching by Author's Comments Message-ID: <00af01c0e2c1$f5348800$f0129ad8@mef> Hey folks .. Quickie question .. Is there a way to search for an author's comments? I see how we can get a list of articles an author has written .. what about comments? (I can't find it anywhere.. I'm not saying we need it .. I'm just asking it it exists and if I'm missing it.) Thanks, Michele From roselli at earthlink.net Tue May 22 08:25:00 2001 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Tue May 22 08:25:00 2001 Subject: [thesite] d.e.o layout In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3B0A2F67.28745.3A9C801C@localhost> > From:"mccreath" [...] > When we started migrating l.e.o and b.e.o to the new layout back in > January we talked about leaving the blacktabnavbarthingie at the top > of the page the same on all the domains, with the nav menu in it. > Should we continue with that? In the case of d.e.o it would mean > moving the search field, probably down into the side bar where it is > on w.e.o. Does that seem reasonable? the layout should match on all sites, as much as possible... search fields should appear in the same place as they do on weo... and the blacktabnavbarthingie is sacrosanct and should always appear as it does on the weo site... > The other question is about the breadcrumbs and the sidebar. On the > other domains, the sidebar is always in contact with the > blacktabnavbarthingie, which I think I prefer to the gap that d.e.o's > breadcrumb trail currently creates. sounds bad, but have no recollection what the full url is to deo, so i can't comment other than to say, if it splits from the style of weo, it needs to be checked... From michele at wordpro.on.ca Tue May 22 08:26:51 2001 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Tue May 22 08:26:51 2001 Subject: [thesite] d.e.o layout References: Message-ID: <00b401c0e2c2$f4871480$f0129ad8@mef> Hey David ... ----- Original Message ----- From: "mccreath" | Hey, Simon-- | | d.e.o is looking great. I like that emerald scheme and I'm glad it's being | used. :) | | I have some questions about the layout for the group in general. | | When we started migrating l.e.o and b.e.o to the new layout back in January | we talked about leaving the blacktabnavbarthingie at the top of the page the | same on all the domains, with the nav menu in it. Should we continue with | that? In the case of d.e.o it would mean moving the search field, probably | down into the side bar where it is on w.e.o. Does that seem reasonable? I thought of this .... feo won't match .. regardless .. that's not to say that deo shouldn't though. I'd agree with you .. to move the search down and keep the consistency on the top as with the other domains. | | The other question is about the breadcrumbs and the sidebar. On the other | domains, the sidebar is always in contact with the blacktabnavbarthingie, | which I think I prefer to the gap that d.e.o's breadcrumb trail currently | creates. Good point .. can the bread crumbs trail still be the top item on the upper left corner? just split that row into the two columns, so that the darker green on the right hand side is at the top, and delete the additional cell line? Is this what you had in mind? On another note.. I've a bunch of comments myself .. got side-tracked finishing that email .. sending it in a few. Michele From michele at wordpro.on.ca Tue May 22 08:28:41 2001 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Tue May 22 08:28:41 2001 Subject: [thesite] d.e.o layout References: <3B0A2F67.28745.3A9C801C@localhost> Message-ID: <00bb01c0e2c3$37a47a00$f0129ad8@mef> Adrian, | | sounds bad, but have no recollection what the full url is to deo, so i | can't comment other than to say, if it splits from the style of weo, it | needs to be checked... | Current version is at: http://members.evolt.org/astro38/evolt/index.php M From ppxsjc1 at unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk Tue May 22 09:13:57 2001 From: ppxsjc1 at unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk (Simon Coggins) Date: Tue May 22 09:13:57 2001 Subject: [thesite] d.e.o layout In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > When we started migrating l.e.o and b.e.o to the new layout back in January > we talked about leaving the blacktabnavbarthingie at the top of the page the > same on all the domains, with the nav menu in it. Should we continue with > that? In the case of d.e.o it would mean moving the search field, probably > down into the side bar where it is on w.e.o. Does that seem reasonable? Very reasonable. I agree it would be much more consistent to keep the pull down menu. In the same place on all the sections of the site. The reason I did it this way in the first place was because I had trouble getting the search to fit in the sidebar nicely. Does anyone know an effective way to get cross-browser and cross-platform consistency in the width of text fields? I know you can do but that varies dramatically between IE and NN. It's also possible with CSS using input { width: Xpx; } but does that work in NN4, and what will happen in even older browsers? Finally, does anyone know how the font size affects the size of the box? I don't like the idea of the search box being too small, but if it gets too big it will start invading the main body area. > The other question is about the breadcrumbs and the sidebar. On the other > domains, the sidebar is always in contact with the blacktabnavbarthingie, > which I think I prefer to the gap that d.e.o's breadcrumb trail currently > creates. Yes, I agree on this too. This one was just laziness on my part. Rather than sorting out the mess of colspans and rowspans in the layout I just created a new table and slotted it inbetween the black tab and the content tables. I'm planning to do a bit of work on the HTML soon anyway (to make the style of the headings the same as the result of evolt), so I'll fix this at the same time. As a sneak preview, here are a couple of other features that will hopefully be added soon: - "friendly" urls for the categories. e.g: dir.evolt.org/coding/client-side/css/ rather than: dir.evolt.org/index.php?viewCat=15 - numbers specifying the number of links in a category. e.g: client-side (14) server-side (23) This should help to further distinguish subcategories from links. Any other ideas for improvements are encouraged - although no promises can be made on exactly when this will all get done! Thanks, Simon From michele at wordpro.on.ca Tue May 22 09:20:27 2001 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Tue May 22 09:20:27 2001 Subject: [thesite] d.e.o. Review References: Message-ID: <00e601c0e2ca$6ea126a0$f0129ad8@mef> Hi Simon, Some suggestions for d.e.o. presented below: Emerald theme looks great. If you want to use one of the newer ones, that are brighter, that's fine as well. Anyway, can I search for a string, or based on two criteria, where both match? For example, searching for Perl Tutorials, returns all of Perl and all of Tutorials, where in fact, what I really wanted was just "Perl Tutorials". I tried it with the quotes and that returned no matches, and changed the search box to a "/". Perl + Tutorials didn't return my intended results either. Suggested text changes, About 1st para "... all aspects of Web Design." change to "... Web Design/Development." Future Plans .. "This site is by no means complete. As well as the directory growing due to visitor suggestions to cover all aspects of web design, we hope the site will continue to evolve and improve over time." ouch .. suggested changes... "This directory will evolve and improve over time as users suggest sites for inclusion covering all aspects of web design and development." No changes to the rest .. Guidelines ... My modifications presented below. ------ What to submit There are no restrictions to the type of links posted on this site, as long as they fall beneath the broad umbrella of Web Design/Development. Suggestions can be to an entire website or a single article. Personal sites will not be accepted, unless they contain significant amounts of relevant material. There are plenty of other resources that do a better job of keeping track of personal sites. This directory aims to get web professionals to the information they need quickly and with minimal hassle. It is hoped that sites linked will also reflect this policy; well-designed sites with good navigation and plenty of accurate, useful content are preferred. How to submit Before submitting suggestions, please search the directory to ensure your link is not already included. If your link is similar to existing entries, please consider if it offers anything additional not already provided by the existing links. When writing descriptions for links or categories, please try to be concise, and consider what information is useful to a user of this directory. Please mention any technical requirements such as Flash or Java. When adding a link, select the most relevant existing category or create a new subcategory. Navigate to the selected category then click on "suggest a link" and fill in the form. ----- One last thought, would it be useful for other members to be reviewers? Sort of like DMOZ's approach whereby those that know the topic review/approve links? IOW, if you need help/assistance, holler, let us know. I'll gladly take a few sub-categories and review the links submitted. Can we start populating the sub-categories now? Thanks for all the hard work .. this is a great resource. Michele ----- Original Message ----- From: "Simon Coggins" | | http://members.evolt.org/astro38/evolt/ From jeff at members.evolt.org Tue May 22 10:44:48 2001 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (jeff) Date: Tue May 22 10:44:48 2001 Subject: [thesite] Question .. Searching by Author's Comments In-Reply-To: <00af01c0e2c1$f5348800$f0129ad8@mef> Message-ID: michele, :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : From: Michele Foster : : Quickie question .. Is there a way to search : for an author's comments? :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ you mean like this? (http://www.evolt.org/comment/search/index.html?searchtext=.jeff&tid=0&sort= author&maxrows=10) thanks, .jeff name://jeff.howden game://web.development http://www.evolt.org/ mailto:jeff at members.evolt.org From McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us Tue May 22 10:54:48 2001 From: McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us (McCreath_David) Date: Tue May 22 10:54:48 2001 Subject: [thesite] d.e.o layout Message-ID: <9627DBCB3063D311BC4B00902785C55F02A127CB@EXPO1> >From: Simon Coggins > >Very reasonable. I agree it would be much more consistent to >keep the pull down menu. In the same place on all the sections >of the site. > >The reason I did it this way in the first place was because I >had trouble getting the search to fit in the sidebar nicely. >Does anyone know an effective way to get cross-browser and >cross-platform consistency in the width of text fields? I've had the most success putting a style attribute directly into the input tag like this: Most of the new browsers will spread the text input across the full width of the outside container, in this case the sidebar. The older ones will just use the width attribute. From there you could go to an advanced search page if you want to give people more choices or more room to type. >Yes, I agree on this too. This one was just laziness on my part. Rather >than sorting out the mess of colspans and rowspans in the layout I just >created a new table and slotted it inbetween the black tab and the >content tables. I'm planning to do a bit of work on the HTML >soon anyway >(to make the style of the headings the same as the result of evolt), so >I'll fix this at the same time. If you look at the Tip Harvester on l.e.o: http://lists.evolt.org/index.cfm/a/harvest and drill down a little, you'll see how we handled it there. It's just a cell and the text wraps in it. You could also just use a paragraph. If your code requires the table to build the trail, you could just drop your table in the top of that main content cell. > - "friendly" urls for the categories. e.g: > > dir.evolt.org/coding/client-side/css/ > > rather than: > > dir.evolt.org/index.php?viewCat=15 Cool. > - numbers specifying the number of links in a category. e.g: > > client-side (14) > server-side (23) > >This should help to further distinguish subcategories from links. Cool. >Simon Thanks for all your work, Simon. David From ppxsjc1 at unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk Tue May 22 10:56:18 2001 From: ppxsjc1 at unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk (Simon Coggins) Date: Tue May 22 10:56:18 2001 Subject: [thesite] d.e.o. Review In-Reply-To: <00e601c0e2ca$6ea126a0$f0129ad8@mef> Message-ID: > Anyway, can I search for a string, or based on two criteria, where both > match? For example, searching for Perl Tutorials, returns all of Perl and > all of Tutorials, where in fact, what I really wanted was just "Perl > Tutorials". I tried it with the quotes and that returned no matches, and > changed the search box to a "/". Perl + Tutorials didn't return my intended > results either. The search facility is currently very basic. It just finds all cases that contain any of the words typed. This is because it's run as an SQL query to match the fields in the database. The SQL syntax is: WHERE ( (Description LIKE '%$word1%') OR (LinkName LIKE '%$word1%') OR (Url LIKE '%$word1%') ) OR ( (Description LIKE '%$word2%') OR (LinkName LIKE '%$word2%') OR (Url LIKE '%$word2%') ) I really wouldn't know where to start writing a search engine from scratch, and I haven't had time to do my homework on a better solution. There are a couple of possibilities: - find some existing PHP/MySQL code to improve the logic of the search, and plug it into the existing directory code. - use an existing search like HTDig or Atomz. These wouldn't let you query the database in the same way, so you wouldn't be able to integrate the search quite as well by this approach (for example - the current search displays the link, plus which category/ies it is from). Right now, it's not perfect but it does work. Unless anyone has any inspiration, I think we might have to leave this one until some of the other issues are sorted out. > Suggested text changes The text needed some work. It seems you've just done it for me. Thanks, I'll make the changes. > One last thought, would it be useful for other members to be reviewers? > Sort of like DMOZ's approach whereby those that know the topic > review/approve links? IOW, if you need help/assistance, holler, let us > know. I'll gladly take a few sub-categories and review the links submitted. This is what I originially had in mind, yes. I have created a web-based admin section for the site where entries can be viewed, edited, approved and deleted. At the moment there is no seperation by categories, so if we did this the reviewers would have to have an informal agreement as to which categories they would maintain. I'll try to improve the admin section once everything gets up and running - for now I've made work on the directory itself top priority. > Can we start populating the sub-categories now? Of course! The more (good quality) links the better it will be. For now I'm happy to do all the moderation (it's a great way to find out about new sites!). Regards, Simon From michele at wordpro.on.ca Tue May 22 11:32:39 2001 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Tue May 22 11:32:39 2001 Subject: [thesite] Question .. Searching by Author's Comments References: Message-ID: <018e01c0e2dc$ea676120$f0129ad8@mef> hmmm.. so there is a way ... shows ya what I know (or don't as the case may be). This isn't linked directly off weo is it? I couldn't find it. Thanks Jeff M ----- Original Message ----- From: "jeff" | michele, | | :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | : From: Michele Foster | : | : Quickie question .. Is there a way to search | : for an author's comments? | :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | | you mean like this? | | (http://www.evolt.org/comment/search/index.html?searchtext=.jeff&tid=0&sort= | author&maxrows=10) From judi at frognet.net Tue May 22 11:45:14 2001 From: judi at frognet.net (Judith Taylor) Date: Tue May 22 11:45:14 2001 Subject: [thesite] d.e.o. Review In-Reply-To: References: <00e601c0e2ca$6ea126a0$f0129ad8@mef> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010522123914.00a44a70@mail.frognet.net> Well, one thing you might look at is using Verity to create indexes of the data....I know it's fairly straightforward for use with ColdFusion.... With Verity, you can have it index pages, various text formats, as well as specified database information. It will also lessen the overhead impact on the database - fewer calls and allows for Boolean searches...and other complex searches. Something to consider at least. :o) Judith Simon Coggins put into words: > > Anyway, can I search for a string, or based on two criteria, where both > > match? For example, searching for Perl Tutorials, returns all of Perl and > > all of Tutorials, where in fact, what I really wanted was just "Perl > > Tutorials". I tried it with the quotes and that returned no matches, and > > changed the search box to a "/". Perl + Tutorials didn't return my > intended > > results either. > >The search facility is currently very basic. It just finds all cases that >contain any of the words typed. This is because it's run as an SQL query >to match the fields in the database. The SQL syntax is: Judith Taylor ICQ: 67460562 Freelance ColdFusion Developer - Athens, OH Friends don't let friends code before coffee. From jeff at members.evolt.org Tue May 22 11:52:54 2001 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (jeff) Date: Tue May 22 11:52:54 2001 Subject: [thesite] Question .. Searching by Author's Comments In-Reply-To: <018e01c0e2dc$ea676120$f0129ad8@mef> Message-ID: michele, :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : From: Michele Foster : : This isn't linked directly off weo is it? I : couldn't find it. :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ yeah, but only for admins. you'll find the word "comments" a link to this search tool under the admin - comments section in the sidebar. thanks, .jeff name://jeff.howden game://web.development http://www.evolt.org/ mailto:jeff at members.evolt.org From wolfboy69 at earthlink.net Tue May 22 11:54:29 2001 From: wolfboy69 at earthlink.net (Michael Wolfe) Date: Tue May 22 11:54:29 2001 Subject: [thesite] d.e.o. Review In-Reply-To: References: <00e601c0e2ca$6ea126a0$f0129ad8@mef> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010522093634.00a826d0@mail.earthlink.net> Hi All! (At last! The lurker chimes in! :-) ) At 04:56 PM 5/22/01 +0100, you wrote: >- find some existing PHP/MySQL code to improve the logic of the search, >and plug it into the existing directory code. I was working on a search engine for one my my sites, and I found a great snippet of PHP code at zend.com... >Right now, it's not perfect but it does work. Unless anyone has any >inspiration, I think we might have to leave this one until some of the >other issues are sorted out. I modified the code into a library of functions for searching, but I haqven't had the time to merge them into a class (yet). I'm attaching the function library, for the use of anyone who wants it. You will have to rewrite the search query, since it applies to my blogger database. :-) The only function you need to use in the library is "getSearchStringItems", which takes the search string as a required parameter. Boolean AND, OR, NOT will work, as well as + and -. I hope this helps! -------------- next part -------------- <?php /* This function takes in an array and flushes all null values from the array. It returns the array - all null values. */ function flush_alt($alts) { for($idx=0,$max=count($alts); $idx<$max; $idx++) { if ($alts[$idx]!="") { $alts2[]=$alts[$idx]; } } return($alts2); } /* This takes in an array and eliminates all duplicate values within the array. */ function flush_dupes($package) { for ( $count=0,$top=count($package); $count<$top; $count++ ) { if ($package[$count]!="" && ( $package[$count] != $package[$count+1] ) ) { $pack2[] = $package[$count]; } } return($pack2); } /* This function takes in two arrays. It eliminates all the values in the first array from the second array. It then returns the corrected second array. */ function rank_arrays ( $array1, $array2 ) { /* Takes all of the values in $array1 out of $array2. */ for ( $j=0,$max1=count($array1); $j<$max1; $j++ ) { for ( $h=0,$max2=count($array2); $h<$max2; $h++) { if ( ( $array2[$h] == $array1[$j] ) && ( $array1[$j] != "" ) ) { $array2[$h] = ""; } } } $array2 = flush_alt($array2); return($array2); } function getSearchString($keywords) { $starttime = microtime(); // Break up $keywords on whitespace. $pieces = split ( "[[:space:],]+", $keywords ); /* Intialize three arrays */ /* $haves has all of the values that must be present */ $haves = array(); /* $havenots has all of the values that must not be present */ $havenots = array(); /* $alternates has all of the values that can be present */ $alternates = array(); /* $entities has all of the individual pieces of the keyword string. This includes both individual words and strings. */ $objects = array(); /* Initialize the $tmpstring. */ $tmpstring=""; /* Initialize the $flag. */ $flag = ""; /* ################################################# This code takes the keyword string passed in and breaks it into objects. It breaks everything into either individual words or strings, if a block of text is quoted within the keyword string. ################################################# */ for ( $k=0; $k<count($pieces); $k++ ) { /* Check individual words. */ if ( ( substr($pieces[$k], -1) != '"' ) && ( substr($pieces[$k], 0, 1) != '"' ) ) { $objects[] = trim($pieces[$k]); } else { /* This means that the $piece is either the beginning or the end of a string. So, we'll slurp up the $pieces and stick them together until we get to the end of the string or run out of pieces. */ /* Make sure the $tmpstring is empty. */ $tmpstring = ""; /* Add this word to the $tmpstring, starting the $tmpstring. */ $tmpstring .= trim ( ereg_replace( '"', " ", $pieces[$k] ) ); /* Check for one possible exception to the rule. That there is a single quoted word. */ if ( substr(trim($pieces[$k]), -1 ) == '"' ) { /* Turn the flag off for future iterations. */ $flag = "off"; /* Push the $tmpstring onto the $haves array. */ $objects[] = trim($tmpstring); /* Free the $tmpstring. */ unset ( $tmpstring ); /* Stop looking for the end of the string and move onto the next word. */ continue; } /* Otherwise, turn on the flag to indicate no quotes have been found attached to this word in the string. */ $flag = "on"; //print "<br>".$pieces[$k]." turned the flag $flag.<br>\n"; /* Move on to the next word. */ $k++; /* Keep reading until the end of the string as long as the $flag is on. */ while ( $flag == "on" && ( $k < count( $pieces ) ) ) { /* If the word doesn't end in double quotes, append it to the $tmpstring. */ if ( substr(trim($pieces[$k]), -1) != '"' ) { /* Tack this word onto the current string entity. */ $tmpstring .= " $pieces[$k]"; /* Move on to the next word. */ $k++; continue; } /* If the $piece ends in double quotes, strip the double quotes, tack the $piece onto the tail of the string, push the $tmpstring onto the $haves, kill the $tmpstring, turn the $flag "off", and return. */ else { $tmpstring .= " ".trim ( ereg_replace( '"', " ", $pieces[$k] ) ); /* Push the $tmpstring onto the array of stuff to search for. */ $objects[] = trim($tmpstring); /* Kill the $tmpstring. */ unset ( $tmpstring ); /* Turn off the flag to exit the loop. */ $flag = "off"; //print "<br>$pieces[$k] turned the flag $flag.<br>\n"; } } } } /* ################################################# Objects are now defined. ################################################# */ /* Now we've got our objects defined. We must now determine the relationships among them. By running through them and picking out key words or symbols. Relationships are determined by the presence of the Boolean keywords "AND", "OR", and "NOT", as well as the operators "+" and "-". */ for ( $j=0; $j<count($objects); $j++ ) { /* BEGIN CHECKING THE CURRENT OBJECT */ /* If the object starts in "+" it goes on the haves[]. */ if ( substr ( $objects[$j], 0, 1 ) == "+" ) { //echo "echoing $objects[$j]<br>\n"; $haves[] = trim(ereg_replace("^\+", " ", $objects[$j])); } /* If the object starts in "-" it goes on the havenots[]. */ if ( substr ( $objects[$j], 0, 1 ) == "-" ) { $havenots[] = trim(ereg_replace("^-", " ", $objects[$j])); //$j++; } /* END CHECKING THE CURRENT OBJECT */ /* BEGIN CHECKING THE NEXT OBJECT */ if ( $objects[$j+1] == "AND" ) { /* Hop onto the "AND". */ $j++; if ( ! ereg("^[\+-]", $objects[$j-1]) ) { $haves[] = $objects[$j-1]; } else { /* Just hang tight. */ } $haves[] = $objects[$j+1]; while ( $objects[$j+2] == "OR" ) { // Hop on top of the OR. $j = $j+2; $haves[] = $objects[$j+1]; } } elseif ( $objects[$j+1] == "NOT") { /* Hop on the NOT. */ $j++; $alternates[] = $objects[$j-1]; $havenots[] = $objects[$j+1]; while ( $objects[$j+2] == "OR" ) { // Hop on top of the OR. $j = $j+2; $havenots[] = $objects[$j+1]; } } elseif ( $objects[$j+1] == "OR" ) { /* Hop onto the OR. */ $j++; $alternates[] = $objects[$j-1]; $alternates[] = $objects[$j+1]; } else { /* It's just a regular word, throw it on the alternates. */ if ( ( substr($objects[$j], 0, 1) != "+" ) && ( substr($objects[$j], 0, 1) != "-" ) && ( $objects[$j-1] != "AND" ) && ( $objects[$j-1] != "NOT" ) ) { $alternates[] = $objects[$j]; } } } /* END CHECKING THE NEXT OBJECT */ /******** BEGIN FILTER ********/ /* Sort the arrays. */ sort ( $haves ); sort ( $havenots ); sort ( $alternates ); /* End sorting. */ /* Remove duplicates within each array. */ $haves = flush_dupes($haves); $havenots = flush_dupes($havenots); $alternates = flush_dupes($alternates); /* End removing duplicates within each array. */ /* Eliminate all of the duplicated values between the haves and alternates array. */ $alternates = rank_arrays ( $haves, $alternates ); $alternates = rank_arrays ( $havenots, $alternates ); $haves = rank_arrays ( $havenots, $haves ); /* End eliminating duplicates between arrays. */ $searchString[haves] = $haves; $searchString[havenots] = $havenots; $searchString[alternates] = $alternates; /******** END FILTER ********/ return $searchString; } function getSearchStringItems($searchString) { $haves = $searchString[haves]; $havenots = $searchString[havenots]; $alternates = $searchString[alternates]; $query = "SELECT item_id, item_name, SUBSTRING(item_description,1,100) AS item_teaser,createdate"; $query .= " FROM item WHERE"; if (!empty($haves)) { $andKicker = 0; for($i=0; $i<count($haves); $i++) { if ($andKicker) $query .= " AND "; $query .= " ((item_name LIKE('%".$haves[$i]."%')) OR (item_data LIKE('%".$haves[$i]."%')))"; $andKicker++; } } if (!empty($havenots)) { $andKicker = (!empty($haves)) ? 1 : 0; for($i=0; $i<count($havenots); $i++) { if ($andKicker) $query .= " AND "; $query .= " ((item_name NOT LIKE('".$havenots[$i]."')) AND (item_data NOT LIKE('".$havenots[$i]."')))"; $andKicker++; } } if (!empty($alternates)) { $andKicker = (!empty($haves)|!empty($havenots)) ? 1 : 0; for($i=0; $i<count($alternates); $i++) { if ($andKicker) $query .= " AND "; $query .= " ((item_name LIKE('%".$alternates[$i]."%')) OR (item_data LIKE('%".$alternates[$i]."%')))"; $andKicker++; } } $query .= " ORDER BY createdate DESC"; $searchString_handler = mysql_query($query) or die("searchString query failed."); return $searchString_handler; } ?> From ppxsjc1 at unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk Tue May 22 12:22:50 2001 From: ppxsjc1 at unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk (Simon Coggins) Date: Tue May 22 12:22:50 2001 Subject: [thesite] d.e.o. Review In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010522093634.00a826d0@mail.earthlink.net> Message-ID: > I was working on a search engine for one my my sites, and I found a great > snippet of PHP code at zend.com... > > I'm attaching the function library, for the use of anyone who wants > it. You will have to rewrite the search query, since it applies to my > blogger database. :-) Man, that's exactly what we need - thanks a lot! Would you say this is mostly your work or still mostly zend.com code that you modified? (Just want to know who to credit). Thanks, Simon From wolfboy69 at earthlink.net Tue May 22 12:39:40 2001 From: wolfboy69 at earthlink.net (Michael Wolfe) Date: Tue May 22 12:39:40 2001 Subject: [thesite] d.e.o. Review In-Reply-To: References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010522093634.00a826d0@mail.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010522103707.00a79a00@mail.earthlink.net> Simon, >Would you say this is mostly your work or still mostly zend.com code that >you modified? (Just want to know who to credit). I'd say it's about 50/50. The original code was kinda buggy. It didn't handle booleans too well, and it only worked with one database column. The code I sent you is more generic, and is meant to be used in a search on multiple columns. :-) ___________________ Michael Wolfe Senior Software Engineer http://www.ework.com mwolfe at ework.com From rthigpen at nc.rr.com Tue May 22 13:56:46 2001 From: rthigpen at nc.rr.com (Ron Thigpen) Date: Tue May 22 13:56:46 2001 Subject: [thesite] d.e.o. Review References: <00e601c0e2ca$6ea126a0$f0129ad8@mef> <5.1.0.14.2.20010522123914.00a44a70@mail.frognet.net> Message-ID: <3B0AB646.D9A0372C@nc.rr.com> I'll second this recommendation. There is some setup involved and the indexes must be kept up to date (easy to do), but there are some great benefits. This approach puts much less load on the database server. Searches generally return results in about 1/10th the time of running SQL, YMMV of course. If nothing else, you should do a test index run and compare performance and load effects with the SQL approach. This was basically what converted me. There is also a great deal of flexibility in this approach. Multiple indexes can be created, one per column of interest for example, and then spanned when searching. Checkboxes on the search form give the user control over which collections are searched within. The Verity search language is also quite complete, with easy to implement operators that handle stemming, proximity and the like. See: You generally only expose some of the language's functionality, but it is always an option to link to some docs and provide a free-text search interface page. Given the audience, this might be a well-used interface. --rt Judith Taylor wrote: > > Well, one thing you might look at is using Verity to create indexes of the > data....I know it's fairly straightforward for use with ColdFusion.... From djc at starkmedia.com Tue May 22 16:46:58 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Tue May 22 16:46:58 2001 Subject: [thesite] faster queries on new w.e.o Message-ID: <3B0ADDF1.36A2CBA5@starkmedia.com> dean, those indexes made a huge difference! articles (Records=680, Time=728ms) SQL = SELECT content.contentid, content.keyphrase, content.contentname, content.synopsis, content.datemod, content.replies, users.userid, users.who, categorys.category, categorys.categoryid, (SELECT Count(*) FROM replies WHERE contentid = content.contentid AND datemod > '') AS newcomments FROM content, users, categorys WHERE content.signoff = 1 AND content.userid = users.userid AND content.categoryid <> 23 AND content.categoryid <> 26 AND content.categoryid <> 9741 AND content.categoryid = categorys.categoryid ORDER BY content.datemod DESC, content.contentid DESC the same query on t.e.o which uses the evolttest DB and not the one that you've been working on comes in faster too though(memory and buffers?): articles (Records=676, Time=7078ms) SQL = SELECT content.contentid, content.keyphrase, content.contentname, content.synopsis, content.datemod, content.replies, users.userid, users.who, categorys.category, categorys.categoryid, (SELECT Count(*) FROM replies WHERE contentid = content.contentid AND datemod > '') AS newcomments FROM content, users, categorys WHERE content.signoff = 1 AND content.userid = users.userid AND content.categoryid <> 23 AND content.categoryid <> 26 AND content.categoryid <> 9741 AND content.categoryid = categorys.categoryid ORDER BY content.datemod DESC, content.contentid DESC nice work by all :) .djc. From mwarden at odyssey-design.com Tue May 22 16:58:32 2001 From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Tue May 22 16:58:32 2001 Subject: [thesite] faster queries on new w.e.o References: <3B0ADDF1.36A2CBA5@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <02f401c0e30a$70f66d30$7103020a@patk3mzsmhxpqb> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > (SELECT Count(*) FROM replies WHERE contentid = > content.contentid AND datemod > '') AS newcomments .jeff, you still planning on whacking the above when the user is not logged in (or, actually, you might as well just test for session.lastvisit (or whatever it is) instead, no?)? That ought to hack off a bit (unless the "remember me" feature is on, of course). nice. - -- mattwarden mattwarden.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOwrhKngH0dUmEhrcEQKl0QCggz0ePmL8+L084Izbz+5Ke98GWcoAn057 ThKiWnBkCRaUPfnvCFWENUkQ =Hq6q -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dsmah at home.com Tue May 22 18:06:03 2001 From: dsmah at home.com (Dean Mah) Date: Tue May 22 18:06:03 2001 Subject: [thesite] faster queries on new w.e.o In-Reply-To: <3B0ADDF1.36A2CBA5@starkmedia.com> from "Daniel J. Cody" at May 22, 2001 04:45:21 PM Message-ID: <200105222308.RAA05168@alice.monkeyland.ca> Daniel J. Cody writes: > dean, those indexes made a huge difference! It might not help in this case but you should put the driving table last in the FROM clause of your query. That is, the table that will reduce the number of returned rows should be placed last in the FROM clause. Usually this is the table with the most WHERE conditions. This might not help in this case. The optimizer will usually re-order the tables to take advantage of indexes, etc., but if tables come out with the same weight, the last one listed will be used first. Dean From michele at wordpro.on.ca Tue May 22 18:32:48 2001 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Tue May 22 18:32:48 2001 Subject: [thesite] n.e.o. - Networking Application Message-ID: <036601c0e317$58984120$f0129ad8@mef> Hi folks.. Just wanted to share this first draft of the proposed output for the networking application that was discussed last week. You'll see it goes over and above the outline for the members pages. This is intended to be a separate application (n.e.o.). http://members.evolt.org/gozz/evolt/member_01_5_22.html Erik and Joshua are discussing implementation details at the moment. Elfur's going to help out on this project too. Thoughts, ideas, suggestions, comments, etc. throw them at us. Thanks, Michele From r937 at interlog.com Tue May 22 18:35:18 2001 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Tue May 22 18:35:18 2001 Subject: [thesite] faster queries on new w.e.o Message-ID: <01c0e317$de1a6a80$b848149a@rudy> >... if tables come out with the same weight, > the last one listed will be used first. ya learn sumpin every day here i thought all along that all things being equal, tables are joined left to right in the order that they are mentioned -- wait a sec, is that what you mean by "used first"? they are joined left to right so the rightmost one is retrieved first? "all things being equal" of course means the old-fashioned way of listing the tables -- if you use the JOIN syntax, especially with parentheses, you have much greater influence on execution sequence... iirc, afaik, imho, and ymmv rudy From isaac at members.evolt.org Tue May 22 19:06:58 2001 From: isaac at members.evolt.org (Isaac Forman) Date: Tue May 22 19:06:58 2001 Subject: [thesite] d.e.o layout In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I know you can do but that varies dramatically between IE > and NN. It's also possible with CSS using input { width: Xpx; } but does > that work in NN4, and what will happen in even older browsers? Finally, > does anyone know how the font size affects the size of the box? specify width using the size attribute of the text input to get it happy in netscape 3 and 4. then use css width to get it the same or better in IE/newer browsers. (designing forms in a liquid layout can really suck) isaac -------------------------------------------------------------- triple zero digital | upstairs at 200 the parade, norwood 5067 0414 758 000 | www.triplezero.com.au | isaac at triplezero.com.au From r937 at interlog.com Tue May 22 21:40:35 2001 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Tue May 22 21:40:35 2001 Subject: [thesite] n.e.o. - Networking Application Message-ID: <01c0e331$a7639d80$b848149a@rudy> > You'll see it goes over and above the outline for the > members pages. This is intended to be a > separate application (n.e.o.). > > http://members.evolt.org/gozz/evolt/member_01_5_22.html how is it "over and above"? i don't see anything that doesn't fit into the design of the member records this is exactly what we imagined the member pages to look like okay, maybe we have to make the Remarks a bit larger than varchar(255) and maybe add a classification system so that various attributes can be grouped together (let me think about it, though) does "a separate application" imply a separate database? if so, y'all are passing up a good opportunity to take advantage of integration with the main set of users it would be a real shame, and i'm not just saying that as the guy who designed the member records standalone apps are always a problem please, consider utilizing the existing database design by the way, that page looks gorgeous -- who did it? it's beautiful rudy From michele at wordpro.on.ca Tue May 22 22:19:38 2001 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Tue May 22 22:19:38 2001 Subject: [thesite] n.e.o. - Networking Application References: <01c0e331$a7639d80$b848149a@rudy> Message-ID: <040d01c0e337$52c4a7a0$f0129ad8@mef> Hey Rudy .... You want to be brought up to full speed on this project and lend assistance from a DB perspective? We'll gladly use your expertise. I did say it was a first of the output of this one page only. It *is* fully intended to be an extension of the members pages .. but its main focus will be as a networking tool. Whereby users can find other members with specific skill sets. Joshua and Erik can explain much better than I, but they've been discussing different ideas for creating a hierarchy for the skills sets. Plus, we'll want/need search functionality that will allow a user to find something with specific skills sets. Then there's the need for the projects and urls samples to also be stored. Erik did the sample page .. I think Elfur's going to provide some assistance wrt HTML/CSS, etc. There won't be a separate database, we have every intention of using the tables you sent, and linking all the information into the existing structure. At this point, we are just fleshing out ideas for what else we want n.e.o. to do and how. I'm going to forward to you offlist the emails that specifically relate to what we've been discussing, wrt to pulling it all together. Like I said before, you assistance will be greatly appreciated. We just want n.e.o. to be bigger and more of a Networking tool, than just simple members pages. Facilitating members to network together would really help bring Evolt as a community closer together. The members pages can, should and will still exist .. underneath weo. Hope this clears it up .. sending you the "technical" emails, which I'm sure you'll understand better than I did Michele ----- Original Message ----- From: "rudy" | > You'll see it goes over and above the outline for the | > members pages. This is intended to be a | > separate application (n.e.o.). | > | > http://members.evolt.org/gozz/evolt/member_01_5_22.html | | | how is it "over and above"? | | i don't see anything that doesn't fit into the design of the member records | | this is exactly what we imagined the member pages to look like | | okay, maybe we have to make the Remarks a bit larger than varchar(255) | | and maybe add a classification system so that various attributes can be | grouped together (let me think about it, though) | | does "a separate application" imply a separate database? | | if so, y'all are passing up a good opportunity to take advantage of | integration with the main set of users | | it would be a real shame, and i'm not just saying that as the guy who | designed the member records | | standalone apps are always a problem | | please, consider utilizing the existing database design | | | by the way, that page looks gorgeous -- who did it? it's beautiful From r937 at interlog.com Tue May 22 22:47:13 2001 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Tue May 22 22:47:13 2001 Subject: [thesite] n.e.o. - Networking Application Message-ID: <01c0e33a$fecf9840$b848149a@rudy> > It *is* fully intended to be an extension of the members pages oh well, that's great then i guess i got all worked up for nothing =o) it's way too late to argue semantics, but if you four get this app up and running, it will *be* the member pages -- de facto i don't really mind you calling it a networking app, but that's a process-oriented name, and i always go for the content-oriented name, i.e. what's in it rather than what's it used for too many years of data modelling, i guess (and totally off the subject, but who says all the good domain names are gone? as a data modeller i've always thought onetomany.org would be nice... as a drinker, i am sorely tempted to snag onetoomany.com...) so what's in the networking app will be evolt members and their data? and you'll build this on the member records in the w.e.o database? woohoo! call me if you need any database help oh, and build it first in t.e.o, right? rudy From michele at wordpro.on.ca Tue May 22 22:54:28 2001 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Tue May 22 22:54:28 2001 Subject: [thesite] n.e.o. - Networking Application References: <01c0e33a$fecf9840$b848149a@rudy> Message-ID: <045201c0e33c$3190f3e0$f0129ad8@mef> Rudy sent you a tonne of stuff ... and yes Dan's going to set us up under the test site .. we'll build as much as we can before linking directly to t.e.o (w.e.o) .. but this will be called n.e.o. | | it's way too late to argue semantics, but if you four get this app up and | running, it will *be* the member pages -- de facto | sort of yes and sort of no .... it will be more .. and with room to grow too :) M ----- Original Message ----- From: "rudy" | (and totally off the subject, but who says all the good domain names are | gone? as a data modeller i've always thought onetomany.org would be | nice... as a drinker, i am sorely tempted to snag onetoomany.com...) LMAO .. go for em From javier at msm.cl Wed May 23 08:40:37 2001 From: javier at msm.cl (mantruc) Date: Wed May 23 08:40:37 2001 Subject: [thesite] suggstion... Message-ID: <3B0BBD8F.E8647CBC@msm.cl> hi thesiters last night i figured out that it might be intersting to show a box with most recent comment's on the right column... whad do you think -- - javier velasco - - web architect - - evolt.org - From elfur at elfur.is Wed May 23 10:34:43 2001 From: elfur at elfur.is (Elfur Logadottir) Date: Wed May 23 10:34:43 2001 Subject: [thesite] Front page of weo is using and and not and Message-ID: <1cb001c0e39d$eb476830$40aefea9@DWARFS> I thought we had changed all this when we cleaned up the code at the 2.0 launch dan do you want to change it or give me access to teo so i can do it myself? thanks elfur From djc at starkmedia.com Wed May 23 10:45:03 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Wed May 23 10:45:03 2001 Subject: [thesite] Front page of weo is using and and not and References: <1cb001c0e39d$eb476830$40aefea9@DWARFS> Message-ID: <3B0BDA88.FEDE19A5@starkmedia.com> Elfur Logadottir wrote: > > I thought we had changed all this when we cleaned up the code at the 2.0 > launch me too.. ?? > dan do you want to change it or give me access to teo so i can do it > myself? sure, i'll shoot you the info offlist.. there are a couple changes waiting in t.e.o that i've been thinking about migrating up to w.e.o, after these changes, it might be a good time to do it.. .djc. From elfur at members.evolt.org Wed May 23 10:53:13 2001 From: elfur at members.evolt.org (Elfur Logadottir) Date: Wed May 23 10:53:13 2001 Subject: [thesite] Front page of weo is using and and not and References: <1cb001c0e39d$eb476830$40aefea9@DWARFS> <3B0BDA88.FEDE19A5@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <1ce201c0e3a0$7f687ac0$40aefea9@DWARFS> From: "Daniel J. Cody" | > I thought we had changed all this when we cleaned up the code at the 2.0 | > launch | | me too.. ?? I only figured it out when I grabbed the site, to use for my secretary pages ... anyways | sure, i'll shoot you the info offlist.. there are a couple changes | waiting in t.e.o that i've been thinking about migrating up to w.e.o, | after these changes, it might be a good time to do it.. I'll let you know when I'm finished thanks elfur From elfur at members.evolt.org Wed May 23 11:21:28 2001 From: elfur at members.evolt.org (Elfur Logadottir) Date: Wed May 23 11:21:28 2001 Subject: [thesite] Front page of weo is using and and not and References: <1cb001c0e39d$eb476830$40aefea9@DWARFS> <3B0BDA88.FEDE19A5@starkmedia.com> <1ce201c0e3a0$7f687ac0$40aefea9@DWARFS> Message-ID: <1d0a01c0e3a4$73943b90$40aefea9@DWARFS> From: "Elfur Logadottir" | I only figured it out when I grabbed the site, to use for my secretary | pages ... | anyways | | | sure, i'll shoot you the info offlist.. there are a couple changes | | waiting in t.e.o that i've been thinking about migrating up to w.e.o, | | after these changes, it might be a good time to do it.. | | I'll let you know when I'm finished finished :) later elfur From djc at starkmedia.com Wed May 23 11:28:48 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Wed May 23 11:28:48 2001 Subject: [thesite] rudy, i dropped a couple tables Message-ID: <3B0BE519.F50F1586@starkmedia.com> from the production DB just now.. THELIST and POSTS table which i was jerking around with trying to do the archives and about 4 sequences that i'd created when doing that.. it was just taking forever to dump our DB with those extra 100000 rows in there.. i just wanted to throw ya a heads up in case you had them in a DDL somewhere.. :) .djc. From djc at starkmedia.com Wed May 23 11:48:08 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Wed May 23 11:48:08 2001 Subject: [thesite] Front page of weo is using and and not and References: <1cb001c0e39d$eb476830$40aefea9@DWARFS> <3B0BDA88.FEDE19A5@starkmedia.com> <1ce201c0e3a0$7f687ac0$40aefea9@DWARFS> <1d0a01c0e3a4$73943b90$40aefea9@DWARFS> Message-ID: <3B0BE99F.47E9CCDC@starkmedia.com> cool, thanks. t.e.o and the new w.e.o(weo.evolt.org) are now running the same latest version of the code.. almost ready to move it to production .djc. Elfur Logadottir wrote: > | | sure, i'll shoot you the info offlist.. there are a couple changes > | | waiting in t.e.o that i've been thinking about migrating up to w.e.o, > | | after these changes, it might be a good time to do it.. > | > | I'll let you know when I'm finished > > finished :) From djc at starkmedia.com Wed May 23 11:51:23 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Wed May 23 11:51:23 2001 Subject: [thesite] n.e.o. - Networking Application References: <01c0e33a$fecf9840$b848149a@rudy> Message-ID: <3B0BEA62.361C4B8C@starkmedia.com> +1 rudy wrote: > oh, and build it first in t.e.o, right? From r937 at interlog.com Wed May 23 12:37:39 2001 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Wed May 23 12:37:39 2001 Subject: [thesite] rudy, i dropped a couple tables Message-ID: <01c0e3ae$e2c5c380$7d49149a@rudy> did you all see the fabulous post by isaac on "CF (SQL?): query.columnlist" on thelist? he's describing a custom data dictionary fabulous concept you know how jeff and mccreath (matt too?) went through our code and cleaned out the stuff that was no longer needed? they were, in so doing, using a custom program library (another type of data dictionary) except theirs was in their heads unfortunately that's where the status of all our tables is, in the heads of the few of us who have worked with the evolt tables -- not that this is a serious situation, because there are far fewer tables than program modules... so it certainly does help if you do prunings such as these where you know you can drop an unused test table or two... thanks dan (you shoulda seen my face when i first saw the subject line!) > it was just taking forever to dump our DB with those extra > 100000 rows in there.. i just wanted to throw ya a heads up > in case you had them in a DDL somewhere.. thanks, but experience has taught me never to keep any old scripts for application data (working scripts are another matter) whenever i do any database work i always grab the latest table and column definitions using select table_name from user_tables; followed by describe eachtablename foreign keys and stuff are a lot harder to pull from oracle's system tables, and i don't have any working scripts for those kinds of things yet if anybody has any useful ones, please let us know rudy From djc at starkmedia.com Wed May 23 12:37:42 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Wed May 23 12:37:42 2001 Subject: [thesite] fyi, archive search.. Message-ID: <3B0BF53B.1541CF44@starkmedia.com> i've got it submitting to google right now.. the verity engine was always puking and never returning very good results. good has just about a complete archive of our archive anyways, so its all good.. :) .djc. From djc at starkmedia.com Wed May 23 12:41:49 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Wed May 23 12:41:49 2001 Subject: [thesite] rudy, i dropped a couple tables References: <01c0e3ae$e2c5c380$7d49149a@rudy> Message-ID: <3B0BF634.7DDFDBCC@starkmedia.com> rudy wrote: > > did you all see the fabulous post by isaac on "CF (SQL?): query.columnlist" > on thelist? nope, been skimming :( i'll check it in the archives.. > you know how jeff and mccreath (matt too?) went through our code and > cleaned out the stuff that was no longer needed? yup > (you shoulda seen my face when i first saw the subject line!) i thought that would get your attention :) .djc. From dsmah at home.com Wed May 23 13:15:55 2001 From: dsmah at home.com (Dean Mah) Date: Wed May 23 13:15:55 2001 Subject: [thesite] rudy, i dropped a couple tables In-Reply-To: <01c0e3ae$e2c5c380$7d49149a@rudy> from "rudy" at May 23, 2001 01:36:23 PM Message-ID: <200105231819.MAA01285@alice.monkeyland.ca> I put a script called listcat on the oracle box. It's in the dmah directory. After you've logged in as the oracle user, you can do: @dmah/listcat It will prompt you for a table name and it should give you a lot more information than 'desc' does. Make sure that you window width is fairly large as it formats for greater than 80 columns. Dean rudy writes: > foreign keys and stuff are a lot harder to pull from oracle's system > tables, and i don't have any working scripts for those kinds of > things yet > > if anybody has any useful ones, please let us know From dsmah at home.com Wed May 23 13:33:00 2001 From: dsmah at home.com (Dean Mah) Date: Wed May 23 13:33:00 2001 Subject: [thesite] rudy, i dropped a couple tables In-Reply-To: <200105231819.MAA01285@alice.monkeyland.ca> from "Dean Mah" at May 23, 2001 12:19:59 PM Message-ID: <200105231837.MAA01333@alice.monkeyland.ca> Dean Mah writes: > I put a script called listcat on the oracle box. It's in the dmah > directory. After you've logged in as the oracle user, you can do: ^^^^^^ That should be, "after you've logged into SQL*Plus as the evolt or evolttest user" > @dmah/listcat > > It will prompt you for a table name and it should give you a lot more > information than 'desc' does. Make sure that you window width is > fairly large as it formats for greater than 80 columns. Dean From michele at wordpro.on.ca Wed May 23 14:35:00 2001 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Wed May 23 14:35:00 2001 Subject: [thesite] Log in .... Message-ID: <005901c0e3bf$906b8c80$d31f9ad8@mef> Hey folks, Am working on something here ... which required me to create a new log in ... so, I logged out, and clicked join .. no probs .. everything works smooth, upon registration, I'm sent to this thank you page, http://www.evolt.org/user/signup/index.html?action=thanks&pageresponse=Thank s%2C%20you%20have%20been%20registered%2E And then .. cause I got sidetracked, about 10 seconds later, it redirects me to this page, "Find Users" .. http://www.evolt.org/user/signup/www.evolt.org/index.html Huh? How difficult would it be to change this .. (a) to redirect back to the page I was at before I hit "Join", or (b) back to the home page or (c) don't redirect me anywhere .. I'll figure out where I want to go from the thank you page. In all honesty directing to the Find Users search page seems very illogical. Not at all what I had expected... keep in mind, I'm Joe the Tester Michele (I think this belongs here ... or does it belong on [admin] ?) From mwarden at odyssey-design.com Wed May 23 15:04:05 2001 From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Wed May 23 15:04:05 2001 Subject: [thesite] Log in .... References: <005901c0e3bf$906b8c80$d31f9ad8@mef> Message-ID: <00e001c0e3c3$a1977740$93ac1b18@patk3mzsmhxpqb> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 From: "Michele Foster" > How difficult would it be to change this .. (a) to redirect back to > the page I was at before I hit "Join", or (b) back to the home page > or (c) don't redirect me anywhere .. I'll figure out where I want > to go from the thank you page. a) is part of what it's supposed to do... and part of what dan is working on with the passport feature, though I have NFI where that is status-wise. > In all honesty directing to the Find Users search page seems very > illogical. Not at all what I had expected... keep in mind, I'm Joe > the Tester It looks like a relative link issue *trying* to redirect you to www.evolt.org, when it should be redirecting to http://www.evolt.org. > (I think this belongs here ... or does it belong on [admin] ?) here. - -- mattwarden mattwarden.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOwwX4XgH0dUmEhrcEQKALQCfYEUWBVhETa0h1ugowGdQMAT+V+cAn3Me 3Li+K0bHf80m9r5Ugrx4w9z0 =y0lg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mwarden at odyssey-design.com Wed May 23 15:15:40 2001 From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Wed May 23 15:15:40 2001 Subject: [thesite] Log in .... References: <005901c0e3bf$906b8c80$d31f9ad8@mef> <00e001c0e3c3$a1977740$93ac1b18@patk3mzsmhxpqb> Message-ID: <011801c0e3c5$3f6ceee0$93ac1b18@patk3mzsmhxpqb> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > From: "Michele Foster" > > How difficult would it be to change this .. (a) to redirect back > > to the page I was at before I hit "Join", or (b) back to the home > > page or (c) don't redirect me anywhere .. I'll figure out where I > > want to go from the thank you page. > > a) is part of what it's supposed to do... and part of what dan is > working on with the passport feature, though I have NFI where that > is status-wise. er, wait. i thought you were talking about login. This may not apply to signing up. - -- mattwarden mattwarden.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOwwalXgH0dUmEhrcEQJaqACg3La4VWH0jhRuk4Pd2bnBeURSULkAmgPl ttcXfTnkUuM79YPou3ngxvsP =Oz0P -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From michele at wordpro.on.ca Wed May 23 15:45:45 2001 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Wed May 23 15:45:45 2001 Subject: [thesite] Log in .... References: <005901c0e3bf$906b8c80$d31f9ad8@mef> <00e001c0e3c3$a1977740$93ac1b18@patk3mzsmhxpqb> <011801c0e3c5$3f6ceee0$93ac1b18@patk3mzsmhxpqb> Message-ID: <009b01c0e3c9$72f27d80$d31f9ad8@mef> Matt, log in (and out) appears to be fine .. working as intended .. Here's the code from the signup page http://www.evolt.org/user/signup/index.html?action=thanks&pageresponse=Thank s%2C%20you%20have%20been%20registered%2E and the code from log out page, http://www.evolt.org/logout/index.html?http_referer=section%3Dcategory%26sub section%3Dall%26params%3D&cfid=486712&cftoken=40577226 I think it is as you said and all that is missing is the "http://" part. Michele From djc at starkmedia.com Wed May 23 16:02:36 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Wed May 23 16:02:36 2001 Subject: [thesite] Log in .... References: <005901c0e3bf$906b8c80$d31f9ad8@mef> <00e001c0e3c3$a1977740$93ac1b18@patk3mzsmhxpqb> Message-ID: <3B0C2540.549AF47B@starkmedia.com> "Warden, Matt" wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > From: "Michele Foster" > > How difficult would it be to change this .. (a) to redirect back to > > the page I was at before I hit "Join", or (b) back to the home page > > or (c) don't redirect me anywhere .. I'll figure out where I want > > to go from the thank you page. > > a) is part of what it's supposed to do... and part of what dan is > working on with the passport feature, though I have NFI where that is > status-wise. did you get my email i sent yesterday? it was working on t.e.o with cookies and the 'remember' me box checked, but I couldn't get it working for logins without cookies. i'll post more later From mwarden at odyssey-design.com Wed May 23 19:07:51 2001 From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Wed May 23 19:07:51 2001 Subject: [thesite] Log in .... References: <005901c0e3bf$906b8c80$d31f9ad8@mef> <00e001c0e3c3$a1977740$93ac1b18@patk3mzsmhxpqb> <011801c0e3c5$3f6ceee0$93ac1b18@patk3mzsmhxpqb> <009b01c0e3c9$72f27d80$d31f9ad8@mef> Message-ID: <02f401c0e3e5$7ede7ce0$93ac1b18@patk3mzsmhxpqb> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > From: "Michele Foster" > Matt, log in (and out) appears to be fine .. working as intended .. Well, that depends on where you are when you login. A good percentage of the time you'll get the "article not found" message. - -- mattwarden mattwarden.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOwxQsHgH0dUmEhrcEQKD3ACg8oJOtel03E+WBms88R9kL8408R0AoJAl hCR3M7ght3ENuKO62qeSX9gz =TGms -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mwarden at odyssey-design.com Wed May 23 19:08:21 2001 From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Wed May 23 19:08:21 2001 Subject: [thesite] Log in .... References: <005901c0e3bf$906b8c80$d31f9ad8@mef> <00e001c0e3c3$a1977740$93ac1b18@patk3mzsmhxpqb> <3B0C2540.549AF47B@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <02fa01c0e3e5$bd128f60$93ac1b18@patk3mzsmhxpqb> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > From: "Daniel J. Cody" > > a) is part of what it's supposed to do... and part of what dan is > > working on with the passport feature, though I have NFI where > > that is status-wise. > > > did you get my email i sent yesterday? Nope. I haven't heard anything about this since ya notified thesite about the idea. > it was working on t.e.o with > cookies and the 'remember' me box checked, but I couldn't get it > working for logins without cookies. > > i'll post more later Good. Because now you've sparked my interest... - -- mattwarden mattwarden.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOwxRGngH0dUmEhrcEQKFkQCfdZrAHGkdAoaCGkBQ1ROEb4g6FbsAoLzU btGHgXshK6paqFvuNCJtx61y =dHsr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From r937 at interlog.com Wed May 23 19:27:56 2001 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Wed May 23 19:27:56 2001 Subject: [thesite] evolt accesskey Message-ID: <01c0e3e7$78f2c320$a250149a@rudy> you know how in internet explorer you can do Alt-V-C to view source? or Alt-F-O to begin typing a url to open? or Alt-G-H to go home? well, that last one don't work if you're on an evolt page Alt-G is the accesskey for the "Go" button and you don't get a chance to type in the O, as soon as you type Alt-G you are sent to the search if the Articles search box is empty, you end up at http://evolt.org/category/index.html?tid= which is effectively the evolt home page, so good thinking on somebody's part (jeff?) for that default behaviour if i were crabby i would complain about evolt hijacking my browser's menu functions like that but i'm not still, shouldn't accesskeys be selected so as not to interfere with browser keys? i realize this may not be possible and that all the good letters will be taken... and shouldn't they be marked? (the "Go" button isn't, the Articles search box is) rudy From michele at wordpro.on.ca Wed May 23 19:30:36 2001 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Wed May 23 19:30:36 2001 Subject: [thesite] Log in .... References: <005901c0e3bf$906b8c80$d31f9ad8@mef> <00e001c0e3c3$a1977740$93ac1b18@patk3mzsmhxpqb> <011801c0e3c5$3f6ceee0$93ac1b18@patk3mzsmhxpqb> <009b01c0e3c9$72f27d80$d31f9ad8@mef> <02f401c0e3e5$7ede7ce0$93ac1b18@patk3mzsmhxpqb> Message-ID: <018401c0e3e8$dd09d1e0$d31f9ad8@mef> hmmm... ok, that's a different issue then (I think?) .. I did get that error when I was Joe the Tester, trying to view an article not approved .. and I can duplicate it at other times ... specifically with FAQ articles (both as Admin and as Joe) I was just confused that poor Joe the Tester got redirected to the search a users page when he created a new account. Obviously, there's more to it than that. I dunno .. *shrug* Michele ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warden, Matt" | -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- | Hash: SHA1 | | > From: "Michele Foster" | > Matt, log in (and out) appears to be fine .. working as intended .. | | Well, that depends on where you are when you login. A good percentage | of the time you'll get the "article not found" message. | From McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us Wed May 23 19:33:36 2001 From: McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us (McCreath_David) Date: Wed May 23 19:33:36 2001 Subject: [thesite] evolt accesskey Message-ID: <9627DBCB3063D311BC4B00902785C55F02A12810@EXPO1> We shouldn't even really need an accesskey on a form submit button as long as the tabindexes are set correctly. I don't remember specifically what the background is on that accesskey, but I say kill it and just make sure that it's tabindex immediately follows the tabindex for the textbox that relates to it. David >-----Original Message----- >From: thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org >[mailto:thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of rudy >Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 4:21 PM >To: thesite at lists.evolt.org >Subject: [thesite] evolt accesskey > > >you know how in internet explorer you can do Alt-V-C to view source? or >Alt-F-O to begin typing a url to open? or Alt-G-H to go home? > >well, that last one don't work if you're on an evolt page > >Alt-G is the accesskey for the "Go" button and you don't get a >chance to >type in the O, as soon as you type Alt-G you are sent to the search > >if the Articles search box is empty, you end up at >http://evolt.org/category/index.html?tid= which is >effectively the evolt >home page, so good thinking on somebody's part (jeff?) for that default >behaviour > >if i were crabby i would complain about evolt hijacking my >browser's menu >functions like that > >but i'm not > >still, shouldn't accesskeys be selected so as not to interfere >with browser >keys? i realize this may not be possible and that all the good letters >will be taken... > >and shouldn't they be marked? (the "Go" button isn't, the >Articles search >box is) > From mwarden at odyssey-design.com Wed May 23 19:53:26 2001 From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Wed May 23 19:53:26 2001 Subject: [thesite] suggstion... References: <3B0BBD8F.E8647CBC@msm.cl> Message-ID: <037c01c0e3ec$0b3f03c0$93ac1b18@patk3mzsmhxpqb> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Done. http://test.evolt.org/ You'll have to login. - -- mattwarden mattwarden.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "mantruc" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 9:39 AM Subject: [thesite] suggstion... > hi thesiters > > last night i figured out that it might be intersting to show a box > with most recent comment's on the right column... > > whad do you think > > -- > - javier velasco - > - web architect - > - evolt.org - > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/ > and new & improved kentucky fried old archives: > http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOwxbrngH0dUmEhrcEQK6gwCg/DYR70SXuyHT6a8iWjrg8VUKxKYAn2p4 3qqie0qBl7DCB3YdesEZH2Dq =Ov/U -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mwarden at mattwarden.com Wed May 23 22:45:27 2001 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Wed May 23 22:45:27 2001 Subject: [thesite] teo to weo move Message-ID: <007b01c0e404$11775810$93ac1b18@patk3mzsmhxpqb> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 dan, Have you done this yet? If not, could you give us an idea of when this will happen? There have been some changes and additions and I don't want to be doing something while you're moving things over. - -- mattwarden mattwarden.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOwyD/XgH0dUmEhrcEQLEZQCeNAJNToGhRUsYGIb10jN1PXvYS1oAoLPG a+tQxGd+ggppbV1JQFN7QaXQ =ng5K -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From roselli at earthlink.net Thu May 24 03:11:05 2001 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Thu May 24 03:11:05 2001 Subject: [thesite] evolt accesskey In-Reply-To: <9627DBCB3063D311BC4B00902785C55F02A12810@EXPO1> Message-ID: <3B0C89B2.15067.4645241@localhost> > From: McCreath_David > > We shouldn't even really need an accesskey on a form submit button as > long as the tabindexes are set correctly. I don't remember > specifically what the background is on that accesskey, but I say kill > it and just make sure that it's tabindex immediately follows the > tabindex for the textbox that relates to it. +1, kill it... we learn as we go, and we've learned that some people don't like them... there just doesn't seem to be enough benefit... From djc at starkmedia.com Thu May 24 08:31:09 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Thu May 24 08:31:09 2001 Subject: [thesite] teo to weo move References: <007b01c0e404$11775810$93ac1b18@patk3mzsmhxpqb> Message-ID: <3B0D094E.8BCD0EDE@starkmedia.com> prolly today, sans the new login stuff(which i'm still working on) real jobs suck sometimes :( .djc. "Warden, Matt" wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > dan, > > Have you done this yet? If not, could you give us an idea of when > this will happen? There have been some changes and additions and I > don't want to be doing something while you're moving things over. From djc at starkmedia.com Thu May 24 09:21:44 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Thu May 24 09:21:44 2001 Subject: [thesite] weo updated.. Message-ID: <3B0D14EF.AB85AE5A@starkmedia.com> i just migrated the latest copy of t.e.o to the live server.. everything looks good, give a holler if anyone notices anything odd teo, weo and the new weo are all running the exact same codebase now FYI .djc. From roselli at earthlink.net Thu May 24 09:29:20 2001 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Thu May 24 09:29:20 2001 Subject: [thesite] weo updated.. In-Reply-To: <3B0D14EF.AB85AE5A@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <200105241429.f4OETI028750@leo.evolt.org> > From: "Daniel J. Cody" > > i just migrated the latest copy of t.e.o to the live server.. > everything looks good, give a holler if anyone notices anything odd > > teo, weo and the new weo are all running the exact same codebase now > FYI rock on... i'm really curious now to see if new comments come in with some basic formatting... wondering if i should add a section in the code FAQ about formatting for the comments, so the users who read it know what they have to do... From djc at starkmedia.com Thu May 24 09:32:50 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Thu May 24 09:32:50 2001 Subject: [thesite] weo updated.. References: <200105241429.f4OETI028750@leo.evolt.org> Message-ID: <3B0D1776.6AEBB229@starkmedia.com> shit, i forgot erikas suggestion on the bottom disclaimer for adding a new article.. erika, i'll get that in the next round, promise :) .djc. aardvark wrote: > > > From: "Daniel J. Cody" > > > > i just migrated the latest copy of t.e.o to the live server.. > > everything looks good, give a holler if anyone notices anything odd > > > > teo, weo and the new weo are all running the exact same codebase now > > FYI > > rock on... i'm really curious now to see if new comments come in with > some basic formatting... > > wondering if i should add a section in the code FAQ about formatting > for the comments, so the users who read it know what they have to > do... > > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/ > and new & improved kentucky fried old archives: > http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/ From djc at starkmedia.com Thu May 24 09:35:05 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Thu May 24 09:35:05 2001 Subject: [thesite] weo updated.. References: <200105241429.f4OETI028750@leo.evolt.org> <3B0D1776.6AEBB229@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <3B0D17FD.3C519ED8@starkmedia.com> errr. michele. i'll shutup now :) "Daniel J. Cody" wrote: > > shit, i forgot erikas suggestion on the bottom disclaimer for adding a > new article.. erika, i'll get that in the next round, promise :) > > .djc. > > aardvark wrote: > > > > > From: "Daniel J. Cody" > > > > > > i just migrated the latest copy of t.e.o to the live server.. > > > everything looks good, give a holler if anyone notices anything odd > > > > > > teo, weo and the new weo are all running the exact same codebase now > > > FYI > > > > rock on... i'm really curious now to see if new comments come in with > > some basic formatting... > > > > wondering if i should add a section in the code FAQ about formatting > > for the comments, so the users who read it know what they have to > > do... > > > > _______________________________________________ > > http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/ > > and new & improved kentucky fried old archives: > > http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/ > > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/ > and new & improved kentucky fried old archives: > http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/ From McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us Thu May 24 10:39:20 2001 From: McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us (McCreath_David) Date: Thu May 24 10:39:20 2001 Subject: [thesite] weo updated.. Message-ID: <9627DBCB3063D311BC4B00902785C55F02A12815@EXPO1> um... is it just me or is www.evolt.org showing articles from August 2000 on it's front page? Including "Test On This Article"? >-----Original Message----- >From: Daniel J. Cody > >i just migrated the latest copy of t.e.o to the live server.. >everything looks good, give a holler if anyone notices anything odd > >teo, weo and the new weo are all running the exact same >codebase now FYI > >.djc. > >_______________________________________________ >http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/ >and new & improved kentucky fried old archives: >http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/ > From djc at starkmedia.com Thu May 24 10:51:25 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Thu May 24 10:51:25 2001 Subject: [thesite] weo updated.. References: <9627DBCB3063D311BC4B00902785C55F02A12815@EXPO1> Message-ID: <3B0D2992.1324BBB4@starkmedia.com> err it wasn't just you... my fault, the www was still pointing to the evolttest site. fixed. :) .djc. McCreath_David wrote: > > um... is it just me or is www.evolt.org showing articles from August 2000 on > it's front page? Including "Test On This Article"? > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Daniel J. Cody > > > >i just migrated the latest copy of t.e.o to the live server.. > >everything looks good, give a holler if anyone notices anything odd > > > >teo, weo and the new weo are all running the exact same > >codebase now FYI From mwarden at mattwarden.com Thu May 24 21:56:35 2001 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Thu May 24 21:56:35 2001 Subject: [thesite] most commented on articles Message-ID: <008c01c0e4c6$6dfe3e10$93ac1b18@patk3mzsmhxpqb> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 last time this was brought up, no one but rudy said anything. I've thought more about it and I have a slightly different approach than i did before. For those of you just joining us, this is concerning the "Most Commented On Aritlces" boxen that is fairly static (even though it's being built out of the database). Just the nature of the box causes there to be little rotation. Last time I suggested adding a where condition in the SQL that limited the items in that box to the last X days. I've kinda changed my mind. How about if the query is something like: select the articles where numberOfComments >= 15 ORDER BY datemod DESC This way, it will direct users to new hot discussions and the top article in this box will be the latest hot discussion. I can make the change. I just want some feedback before I go changing stuff. cool? - -- mattwarden mattwarden.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOw3KD3gH0dUmEhrcEQLb9QCcDOZueWsGjPh6yNm9pCsiT/7sHEgAnRur o2608aVkwwlTpqB4dUQ9kVaf =gt1O -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From michele at wordpro.on.ca Thu May 24 22:07:50 2001 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Thu May 24 22:07:50 2001 Subject: [thesite] most commented on articles References: <008c01c0e4c6$6dfe3e10$93ac1b18@patk3mzsmhxpqb> Message-ID: <016c01c0e4c8$07b0e700$30129ad8@mef> Hey Matt..... I like your suggestion .. my only concern would be .. is there enough room to show all 15 comments on the side bar? and if not, which I don't think there will be, can the "MORE" lead to a more useful page, i.e. one sorted chronologically .. it isn't at the moment. My suggestion ..... on the side bar, show the latest 5 comments .. within MORE, show the additional 10 .... then a link to the form for searching for a comment. Right now, its returning 1564 comments .. not sure what order they are in... appears to be by Topic (should be changed to category), then by date, but the Next Comment link keeps returning the same page. Michele (*please don't shoot me* ) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warden, Matt" | last time this was brought up, no one but rudy said anything. | | I've thought more about it and I have a slightly different approach | than i did before. | | For those of you just joining us, this is concerning the "Most | Commented On Aritlces" boxen that is fairly static (even though it's | being built out of the database). Just the nature of the box causes | there to be little rotation. | | Last time I suggested adding a where condition in the SQL that | limited the items in that box to the last X days. I've kinda changed | my mind. | | How about if the query is something like: | | select the articles where numberOfComments >= 15 ORDER BY datemod | DESC | | This way, it will direct users to new hot discussions and the top | article in this box will be the latest hot discussion. | | I can make the change. I just want some feedback before I go changing | stuff. From mwarden at odyssey-design.com Thu May 24 22:13:00 2001 From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Thu May 24 22:13:00 2001 Subject: [thesite] most commented on articles References: <008c01c0e4c6$6dfe3e10$93ac1b18@patk3mzsmhxpqb> <016c01c0e4c8$07b0e700$30129ad8@mef> Message-ID: <009a01c0e4c8$b62f01e0$93ac1b18@patk3mzsmhxpqb> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > Hey Matt..... > > I like your suggestion .. my only concern would be .. is there > enough room to show all 15 comments on the side bar? You're mixing things up. This is the box which shows the *number* of comments. The "Most Commented On Articles" box. > and if not, which I don't think > there will be, can the "MORE" lead to a more useful page, i.e. one > sorted chronologically .. it isn't at the moment. FYI, I added logic to that when I took that box from an admin box to a general user box to only show the "more..." link to admins. > My suggestion ..... on the side bar, show the latest 5 comments .. > within MORE, show the additional 10 .... then a link to the form > for searching for a comment. 5 comments are shown in that box. Like I said, this isn't the box I'm talking about. The more link is for admins only and the search form is not a finished product. > (*please don't shoot me* ) I was gonna make some witty comment like "Bah, I'm a bad aim anyways", but it would be a lie. your sniper, - -- mattwarden mattwarden.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOw3N53gH0dUmEhrcEQJJsgCgiVhrpIHf5Ke2y3cEc5EEyITJ+VsAnj7p 4v15fT5sp8tQj6g3sMiwsP2c =JxxD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From michele at wordpro.on.ca Thu May 24 22:21:30 2001 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Thu May 24 22:21:30 2001 Subject: [thesite] most commented on articles References: <008c01c0e4c6$6dfe3e10$93ac1b18@patk3mzsmhxpqb> <016c01c0e4c8$07b0e700$30129ad8@mef> <009a01c0e4c8$b62f01e0$93ac1b18@patk3mzsmhxpqb> Message-ID: <019701c0e4c9$f14a1f20$30129ad8@mef> ahhhh geeeze ... sorry :( yes, after re-reading your message, that's COOL with me. :) *hhis* Michele ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warden, Matt" | -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- | Hash: SHA1 | | > Hey Matt..... | > | > I like your suggestion .. my only concern would be .. is there | > enough room to show all 15 comments on the side bar? | | You're mixing things up. This is the box which shows the *number* of | comments. The "Most Commented On Articles" box. From gozz at gozz.com Fri May 25 02:07:26 2001 From: gozz at gozz.com (Erik Mattheis) Date: Fri May 25 02:07:26 2001 Subject: [thesite] cosmetic thing in IE Mac 5 Message-ID: Something that's been bugging me a bit: When I view the evolt site in IE 5 Mac, the content area is a wee bit wider than the black "masthead" area - when I take out the width="1%" on the first and last cells in the main table, everything is plumb. Here are screenshots so you can see what I'm talking about: http://members.evolt.org/gozz/evolt/width_1_percent.html A small, anal cosmetic thing, but the site is a really beautifully understated design and the small blemish kinda stands out ... since the middle cell is 98 percent, wouldn't the 1%'s be implied for the other two cells? That page above has the one percents taken out ... does it look OK? -- - Erik Mattheis "For best results, pronounce muh THEIGH ess." (612) 827 3963 From roselli at earthlink.net Fri May 25 07:03:28 2001 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Fri May 25 07:03:28 2001 Subject: [thesite] cosmetic thing in IE Mac 5 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3B0E11FB.25525.A60E93E@localhost> > From: Erik Mattheis [...] > When I view the evolt site in IE 5 Mac, the content area is a wee bit > wider than the black "masthead" area - when I take out the width="1%" > on the first and last cells in the main table, everything is plumb. > Here are screenshots so you can see what I'm talking about: can't say i had noticed that... i'll have to check it... > http://members.evolt.org/gozz/evolt/width_1_percent.html > > A small, anal cosmetic thing, but the site is a really beautifully > understated design and the small blemish kinda stands out ... since > the middle cell is 98 percent, wouldn't the 1%'s be implied for the > other two cells? That page above has the one percents taken out ... > does it look OK? -- so far... anyone else? From roselli at earthlink.net Fri May 25 07:04:43 2001 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Fri May 25 07:04:43 2001 Subject: [thesite] most commented on articles In-Reply-To: <008c01c0e4c6$6dfe3e10$93ac1b18@patk3mzsmhxpqb> Message-ID: <3B0E124A.32359.A621EF3@localhost> > From: "Warden, Matt" [...] > > Last time I suggested adding a where condition in the SQL that > limited the items in that box to the last X days. I've kinda changed > my mind. i can dig that... > I can make the change. I just want some feedback before I go changing > stuff. go ahead and make a *text* boxen, but don't make the change on the live site... that would be bad... From mwarden at odyssey-design.com Fri May 25 10:20:09 2001 From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Fri May 25 10:20:09 2001 Subject: [thesite] most commented on articles References: <3B0E124A.32359.A621EF3@localhost> Message-ID: <00a601c0e52e$191fe1b0$93ac1b18@patk3mzsmhxpqb> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > > I can make the change. I just want some feedback before I go > > changing stuff. > > go ahead and make a *text* boxen, *test* boxen, I assume. > but don't make the change on > the live site... that would be bad... I don't work that way, bro. Don't even have to say it ;-) Thanks for the feedback. - -- mattwarden mattwarden.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOw53/3gH0dUmEhrcEQJr+wCePBLcZ2u1MfNE+PpvZ79ron8zku4AoO+E AmItGKjxgjB/fyZVJcvF7dcC =Zpki -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From marlene.bruce at cdgsolutions.com Fri May 25 10:30:29 2001 From: marlene.bruce at cdgsolutions.com (Marlene Bruce) Date: Fri May 25 10:30:29 2001 Subject: [thesite] cosmetic thing in IE Mac 5 Message-ID: <93A7B5EFAA22D4119C8400105A9CA616468257@EXCHANGE> The fix works here (Mac, IE5). Marlene > ---------- > From: aardvark > > > http://members.evolt.org/gozz/evolt/width_1_percent.html > > > > A small, anal cosmetic thing, but the site is a really beautifully > > understated design and the small blemish kinda stands out ... since > > the middle cell is 98 percent, wouldn't the 1%'s be implied for the > > other two cells? That page above has the one percents taken out ... > > does it look OK? -- > > so far... anyone else? From javier at msm.cl Fri May 25 10:41:49 2001 From: javier at msm.cl (mantruc) Date: Fri May 25 10:41:49 2001 Subject: [thesite] most commented on articles References: <3B0E124A.32359.A621EF3@localhost> Message-ID: <3B0E7D04.41C8E1D6@msm.cl> aardvark wrote: > > From: "Warden, Matt" > [...] > > > > Last time I suggested adding a where condition in the SQL that > > limited the items in that box to the last X days. I've kinda changed > > my mind. > > i can dig that... +1 i doubted the usefullness of the most (ever) commented on articles from the beginning, limiting it to a tiem period, is a much better solution, mabye a month... 30 days my 2 cents -- - javier velasco - - web architect - - evolt.org - From mwarden at mattwarden.com Fri May 25 20:45:39 2001 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Fri May 25 20:45:39 2001 Subject: [thesite] java servlets on evolt's servers? Message-ID: <006801c0e585$b378bfa0$9865fea9@patk3mzsmhxpqb> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 yo, anyone know if servlets are supported on the weo, oldweo, or leo (which includes meo,teo,feo,deo?,neo) boxes? just curious *wink* - -- mattwarden mattwarden.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOw8K+XgH0dUmEhrcEQLC3ACeNZloq/UIgl2wDZEMqK0Wcpnp+MwAn3qV hjzrE1jJ+Xr52UHUw3X9SnAj =/YAg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mwarden at mattwarden.com Fri May 25 21:14:44 2001 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Fri May 25 21:14:44 2001 Subject: [thesite] database: content table Message-ID: <00a701c0e589$c14022a0$9865fea9@patk3mzsmhxpqb> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 k, Rudy's last diagram is located here: http://members.evolt.org/rudy/oracle4.gif Now, I noticed some SQL from the weo code that included a replies field in the content table. The observent will realize that there is no replies field in the content table. Well, if you're lucky enough to have access to sql plus: SQL> desc content; Name Null? Type ----------------------------------------- -------- - ---------------------------- CONTENTID NOT NULL NUMBER(10) CONTENTNAME VARCHAR2(50) BODY LONG USERID NUMBER(10) DATEMOD DATE SIGNOFF NUMBER(10) ADMINID NUMBER(10) CATEGORYID NUMBER(10) SIGNDATE DATE SYNOPSIS VARCHAR2(500) RATING NOT NULL NUMBER(3,2) RATINGS NOT NULL NUMBER(8) REPLIES NOT NULL NUMBER(8) KEYPHRASE VARCHAR2(100) SQL> desc replies; Name Null? Type ----------------------------------------- -------- - ---------------------------- COMMENTID NUMBER(10) CONTENTID NUMBER(10) USERID VARCHAR2(50) MESSAGE LONG DATEMOD DATE GRRRS NUMBER(5) MESSAGENAME VARCHAR2(50) Now, I'm assuming this was added to avoid a count(replies.commentid) (and joining the replies table at all) in the "Most Commented On" box. However, if I go ahead and make the change I was talking about last night, I'm going to have to join the replies table anyway to grab the greatest datemod from replies for that contentid (um, now that I think about it, could rudy or someone help me out with this query? once you get into aggregate functions and the like, I tend to not know how to approach it). To refresh your memory, I'll want something like this: select content.contentid, replies, categoryid, contentname, max(replies.datemod) from content, replies where replies > 13 and contentid <> 3509 replies.contentid=content.contentid order by replies.datemod, replies desc I'm not even sure if that will work, even though there is a one-to-one relationship between a content record and max(replies.datemod). *shrug* thanks, - -- mattwarden mattwarden.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOw8RxngH0dUmEhrcEQIhhwCcCK0mjIXOoMfNU6GaozYTk6Jp8OIAoKwc n7D/MYdJFBrK2Q/cL2P8UFWb =OGv+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mwarden at odyssey-design.com Fri May 25 21:21:44 2001 From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Fri May 25 21:21:44 2001 Subject: [thesite] database: content table References: <00a701c0e589$c14022a0$9865fea9@patk3mzsmhxpqb> Message-ID: <00b001c0e58a$bb7f3ee0$9865fea9@patk3mzsmhxpqb> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > select > content.contentid, replies, categoryid, contentname, > max(replies.datemod) > from > content, > replies > where > replies > 13 > and contentid <> 3509 > replies.contentid=content.contentid > order by replies.datemod, replies desc > > I'm not even sure if that will work, actually, I'm 100% sure it won't work. this might tho: select content.contentid, replies, categoryid, contentname, max(replies.datemod) from content, replies where replies > 13 and contentid <> 3509 and replies.contentid=content.contentid order by replies.datemod, replies desc - -- mattwarden mattwarden.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOw8TangH0dUmEhrcEQJgawCg4IWhiZecQwE+zLOCqofBv84VkiIAoP1g OB6/hHaaQgizaCvUDz0uNkhH =8I07 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From r937 at interlog.com Fri May 25 22:05:55 2001 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Fri May 25 22:05:55 2001 Subject: [thesite] database: content table Message-ID: <01c0e590$ce48c220$184a149a@rudy> > Now, I'm assuming [the replies column in the content record] was > added to avoid a count(replies.commentid) (and joining the > replies table at all) in the "Most Commented On" box. hi matt i think it was originally conceived just to show the count on the synopsis on the home or category or search result page... but you're right, the purpose is to avoid the join the column is updated every time a comment is added to an article >select > content.contentid, replies, categoryid, contentname, >max(replies.datemod) >from > content, > replies >where > replies > 13 > and contentid <> 3509 > and replies.contentid=content.contentid >order by replies.datemod, replies desc close any time you have an aggregate function in the select list, along with one or more other columns, then you must have a group by clause which contains those other columns the only time you don't need a group by is if the select list contains only aggregate functions, then of course you get one row for the result set please ask for examples if you want them as to your query, matt, what exactly is it you're looking for? if all you want is the highest date, at the same time as retrieving the other stuff about an article, then you probably want to use something like this (caution: not tested) -- select contentid, replies, categoryid, contentname, (select max(datemod) from replies where contentid = content.contentid) as lastcommentdate from content where replies > 13 and contentid <> 3509 where did you get the (arbitrary?) number 13 from? i know you are selecting articles with more than 13 comments, but why 13 and what's contentid <> 3509? (sorry, i'm too lazy to go into the database to look...) rudy From djc at starkmedia.com Fri May 25 22:10:19 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Fri May 25 22:10:19 2001 Subject: [thesite] java servlets on evolt's servers? References: <006801c0e585$b378bfa0$9865fea9@patk3mzsmhxpqb> Message-ID: <3B0F3CB2.7020906@starkmedia.com> not right now.. i've been trying to pimp some shit out of allaire/mm but they won't budge on afree JRun license :( jakarta is ok, but a pain in the ass to administrate.. i'd like to get one on meo one of these days too so people could start learning JSP sorry .djc. Warden, Matt wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > yo, > > anyone know if servlets are supported on the weo, oldweo, or leo > (which includes meo,teo,feo,deo?,neo) boxes? > > just curious *wink* From joshua at alphashop.net Fri May 25 23:24:45 2001 From: joshua at alphashop.net (Joshua OIson) Date: Fri May 25 23:24:45 2001 Subject: [thesite] database: content table References: <01c0e590$ce48c220$184a149a@rudy> Message-ID: <012701c0e59c$31602fa0$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> Rudy, : any time you have an aggregate function in the select list, along with one : or more other columns, then you must have a group by clause which contains : those other columns : : the only time you don't need a group by is if the select list contains only : aggregate functions, then of course you get one row for the result set : : please ask for examples if you want them I'd love to hear more about this rule. Please explain/write an article. Damn, look at me, I'm almost drooling! I love steadfast rules like the one you are implying in that first sentence. Thanx, -joshua From mwarden at odyssey-design.com Fri May 25 23:47:40 2001 From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Fri May 25 23:47:40 2001 Subject: [thesite] database: content table References: <01c0e590$ce48c220$184a149a@rudy> Message-ID: <010401c0e59f$20bafce0$9865fea9@patk3mzsmhxpqb> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I started reading your reply, then i got distracted (I think it was dan's fault) and for some reason thought I had already read it all. Sorry. > as to your query, matt, what exactly is it you're looking for? if > all you want is the highest date, at the same time as retrieving > the other stuff about an article, then you probably want to use > something like this (caution: not tested) -- > > select > contentid, replies, categoryid, contentname, > (select max(datemod) from replies > where contentid = content.contentid) as > lastcommentdate from > content > where > replies > 13 > and contentid <> 3509 I was under the impression that subqueries were never the best way to go performance-wise. Is this not correct? > where did you get the (arbitrary?) number 13 from? i know you are > selecting articles with more than 13 comments, but why 13 It's a copy&paste from the current query. > and what's contentid <> 3509? (sorry, i'm too lazy to go into the > database to look...) Same. Probably FAQ? - -- mattwarden mattwarden.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOw81ongH0dUmEhrcEQJYngCg23s+t2xQA+X/Z1TugxCrbNtRxeQAniiX parbtfe02RE9OoWANFGzABXm =uOrd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From r937 at interlog.com Sat May 26 00:07:30 2001 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Sat May 26 00:07:30 2001 Subject: [thesite] database: content table Message-ID: <01c0e5a1$92f99760$184a149a@rudy> > I love steadfast rules like the one > you are implying in that first sentence. thanks, joshua not sure i can do the subject justice in one post (database books usually devote an entire chapter to group by and having) but here goes... suppose you have a database of city data create table census (cityname char(50) , county char(2) references countytable , state char(2) references statetable , men integer , women integer , dogs integer , cats integer) each city has foreign keys to its state and county, plus some demographic data there's one row per city now let's look at a query select county, count(*) from census group by county you get one row per group, i.e. one per county, and it contains the number of cities -- actually rows, but there's one row per city in the table -- in each county try another select state, sum(dogs) from census group by state again, one row per group, i.e. one row per state now it gets trickier select state, county, avg(men), avg(women) from census group by state, county notice that the columns in the group by are also in the select list you get one row per county per state, and the averages in this case are city averages the rows in the result set produced by a group by operation are similar to the "subtotals" rows you get in report writer programs if you turn "details off" (if you know what i mean) it's kinda like you did a select distinct on the group by columns, to get all the different combinations, but at the same time, producing subtotals (counts, sums averages, etc.) for each distinct group and don't forget the having clause, it can be quite useful too -- select cityname, count(state) from census group by cityname having count(state)>1 finds all citynames that exist in more than one state (tricky, but it's a byproduct of the one-to-many relationship from state to city, nobody said city names had to be unique) what about this -- select sum(dogs), sum(cats) from census where's the group by?? don't really need one!! the entire table is the group, so you only get one row back see, any time you have a group by, the columns in the group by have to be in the select list too select state, sum(cats) from census bzzzzt, this gives an error, you can't have an aggregate function without the group by if there's a plain old ordinary column in the select list you'd think that the database would be smart enough to just plug in the group by columns whenever you use an aggregate function in the select list, but noooooo.... finally, one caveat -- MySQL is a bit wacky when it comes to groups 7.4.13 Functions for Use with GROUP BY Clauses http://www.mysql.com/documentation/mysql/bychapter/manual_Reference.html#Gr oup_by_functions"> MySQL has extended the use of GROUP BY. You can use columns or calculations in the SELECT expressions that don't appear in the GROUP BY part. This stands for any possible value for this group. You can use this to get better performance by avoiding sorting and grouping on unnecessary items. For example, you don't need to group on customer.name in the following query: mysql> select order.custid,customer.name,max(payments) from order,customer where order.custid = customer.custid GROUP BY order.custid; In ANSI SQL, you would have to add customer.name to the GROUP BY clause. In MySQL, the name is redundant if you don't run in ANSI mode. Don't use this feature if the columns you omit from the GROUP BY part aren't unique in the group! You will get unpredictable results. i personally have not had a chance to play with this wackiness, and i'm not eager to... helps? rudy From r937 at interlog.com Sat May 26 00:16:15 2001 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Sat May 26 00:16:15 2001 Subject: [thesite] database: content table Message-ID: <01c0e5a3$0c273560$184a149a@rudy> > I was under the impression that subqueries were never > the best way to go performance-wise. Is this not correct? not as an absolute rule, no in fact most subqueries (at least, the correlated kind) get parsed by the optimizer into joins some subqueries are indeed the fastest way to do something for example select contentname, datemod from content where datemod >= (select max(datemod) from from content where userid=5) this gets all the articles added after the last article added by djc the subquery (inner query) is not related to the outer query -- it is not correlated, i.e. its result is independent of the rows of the outer query, consequently it can be retrieved first, the result stored in a variable, and compared to datemod in each row of the outer table rudy From mwarden at odyssey-design.com Sat May 26 00:28:20 2001 From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Sat May 26 00:28:20 2001 Subject: [thesite] database: content table References: <01c0e5a1$92f99760$184a149a@rudy> Message-ID: <011e01c0e5a4$cc734ec0$9865fea9@patk3mzsmhxpqb> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > see, any time you have a group by, the columns in the group by have > to be in the select list too > > select state, sum(cats) > from census > > bzzzzt, this gives an error, you can't have an aggregate function > without the group by if there's a plain old ordinary column in the > select list see, this is what always fux0rz me up. Because, I can do this: select state, 1 from census and that will give me AK 1 OH 1 MD 1 ... You'd think the aggregate function would act the same why. Got a clue why it doesn't rudy? There's surely a reason I'm not thinking about. yaknowwhuddimean? - -- mattwarden mattwarden.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOw8/I3gH0dUmEhrcEQI4tgCg9SCil+vWvrxZErL1lGBEZgT9DGAAn3s7 gtjuSMmtKDbeY4W6DXWShr3f =twRQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From r937 at interlog.com Sat May 26 07:48:18 2001 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Sat May 26 07:48:18 2001 Subject: [thesite] database: content table Message-ID: <01c0e5df$8c701fc0$184a149a@rudy> >see, this is what always fux0rz me up. Because, I can do this: > >select state, 1 > from census > >and that will give me > >AK 1 >OH 1 >MD 1 >... > >You'd think the aggregate function would act the same why. Got a clue >why it doesn't rudy? There's surely a reason I'm not thinking about. g'morning, matt well, the only reason i can think of is ambiguity it's just one of those things, the syntax says you have to do it a particular way (mysql being the exception), so that's how you do it... rudy From mwarden at mattwarden.com Sat May 26 20:16:44 2001 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Sat May 26 20:16:44 2001 Subject: [thesite] whoops, sidebar queries Message-ID: <022d01c0e64a$cc9b44b0$9865fea9@patk3mzsmhxpqb> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 thesite, Checking the sidebar queries, it looks like an article can show up there whether it's approved, denied, reset, etc. Shouldn't we add a where condition that only allowed for approved articles? Note that I found this by denying my test articles and realizing that the sidebar still listed the same articles. - -- mattwarden mattwarden.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOxBVpngH0dUmEhrcEQK9fgCg6EOgPRSHJKLF9+Y8AQ5s1LDRHdYAnROc zU0fzjklnDAUViEFhUVFYD38 =JPuj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From martin at members.evolt.org Sun May 27 06:57:48 2001 From: martin at members.evolt.org (Martin) Date: Sun May 27 06:57:48 2001 Subject: [thesite] themes Message-ID: <0eb1f2700121b51PCOW028M@blueyonder.co.uk> Just to stop people calling me a slacker ;-) http://members.evolt.org/martin/schemes/deepsand.html http://members.evolt.org/martin/schemes/deepwater.html http://members.evolt.org/martin/schemes/gigerjade.html http://members.evolt.org/martin/schemes/gigerjade_article.html Cheers Martin ------------------------------------------------------------------- email: martin at easyweb.co.uk PGP ID: 0xA835CCCB martin at members.evolt.org snailmail: 30 Shandon Place tel: +44 (0)778 068 6418 Edinburgh, url: http://www.easyweb.co.uk Scotland From elfur at members.evolt.org Sun May 27 07:56:53 2001 From: elfur at members.evolt.org (Elfur Logadottir) Date: Sun May 27 07:56:53 2001 Subject: [thesite] themes References: <0eb1f2700121b51PCOW028M@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <031701c0e6ac$8872c440$40aefea9@DWARFS> From: "Martin" | Just to stop people calling me a slacker ;-) | | http://members.evolt.org/martin/schemes/deepsand.html | http://members.evolt.org/martin/schemes/deepwater.html | http://members.evolt.org/martin/schemes/gigerjade.html | http://members.evolt.org/martin/schemes/gigerjade_article.html I don't think I would dare calling you a slacker ... but these are nice. thanks elfur From martin at members.evolt.org Sun May 27 09:37:36 2001 From: martin at members.evolt.org (Martin) Date: Sun May 27 09:37:36 2001 Subject: [thesite] themes Message-ID: <0aa221640141b51PCOW025M@blueyonder.co.uk> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 2 more, both with a kind of chinese flavour: http://members.evolt.org/martin/schemes/crouchingtiger.html http://members.evolt.org/martin/schemes/hiddendragon.html (actually, these are the colourscheme of my new home office) Cheers Martin -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use Comment: Content after the signature block is *not* signed iQA/AwUBOxERSnHoHnCoNczLEQIi5gCfcRTy3VAJEEkJuaFn9CCyuVSIRnEAnjVR oWqtSUZWEawJBLXeI5YQemlc =ffXq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ email: martin at easyweb.co.uk PGP ID: 0xA835CCCB martin at members.evolt.org snailmail: 30 Shandon Place tel: +44 (0)778 068 6418 Edinburgh, url: http://www.easyweb.co.uk Scotland From roselli at earthlink.net Sun May 27 10:06:01 2001 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Sun May 27 10:06:01 2001 Subject: [thesite] themes In-Reply-To: <0eb1f2700121b51PCOW028M@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <3B10DFB1.18929.7444E@localhost> > From: Martin > > http://members.evolt.org/martin/schemes/deepsand.html unfortunate vertical stripe in the sidebar... can't say i like the way you've handled the 'new articles' banner... one of the reasons i resisted coding the tables that way was precisely because i think coloring that whole banner, with or without the space on the right, looks *really* bad... i *love* the bg, though... the colors are good, although the green's a bit, um, interesting... > http://members.evolt.org/martin/schemes/deepwater.html i like the colors and the bg... don't like that banner... > http://members.evolt.org/martin/schemes/gigerjade.html > http://members.evolt.org/martin/schemes/gigerjade_article.html interesting colors... pretty keen... that banner's gotta go... From roselli at earthlink.net Sun May 27 10:07:56 2001 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Sun May 27 10:07:56 2001 Subject: [thesite] themes In-Reply-To: <0aa221640141b51PCOW025M@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <3B10E031.10355.938B2@localhost> > From: Martin > > 2 more, both with a kind of chinese flavour: > http://members.evolt.org/martin/schemes/crouchingtiger.html > http://members.evolt.org/martin/schemes/hiddendragon.html i don't see them as chinese, but they are adequately bright... as a counterpoint, did you ever see my Stealth style? and nobody ever commented on my Fist Apart style... http://roselli.org/new_evolt/layout/ From martin at members.evolt.org Sun May 27 11:50:23 2001 From: martin at members.evolt.org (Martin) Date: Sun May 27 11:50:23 2001 Subject: [thesite] themes Message-ID: <0e6233230161b51PCOW035M@blueyonder.co.uk> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 aardvark wrote on 27/5/01 4:06 pm >> http://members.evolt.org/martin/schemes/deepsand.html > >unfortunate vertical stripe in the sidebar... fix0red >can't say i like the way >you've handled the 'new articles' banner... [snip] >don't like that banner... [snip] >that banner's gotta go... alright already ;-) >i *love* the bg, though... the colors are good, Basically an inverse of deepwater - bg took a bit of playing around with... >> http://members.evolt.org/martin/schemes/deepwater.html > >i like the colors and the bg... don't like that banner... >> 2 more, both with a kind of chinese flavour: >> http://members.evolt.org/martin/schemes/crouchingtiger.html >> http://members.evolt.org/martin/schemes/hiddendragon.html > >i don't see them as chinese, but they are adequately bright... Light, fresh Chinese... with a bit of plum sauce. > >as a counterpoint, did you ever see my Stealth style? Everything stealthy except the evolt.borg branding *hehe* >and nobody ever >commented on my Fist Apart style... Amusing choice of article... One more - starting to think a bit African: http://members.evolt.org/martin/schemes/tangier.html Can't *quite* get the vibrancy of colours I want in an RGB colourspace, but getting there. Cheers Martin -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use Comment: Content after the signature block is *not* signed iQA/AwUBOxErE3HoHnCoNczLEQL2nACg0WtjdMi2RPo+O9N4+RWGOkYRo1YAoKjM wBcexqwrmxa+gA2YxRHKg3qL =Evi7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ email: martin at easyweb.co.uk PGP ID: 0xA835CCCB martin at members.evolt.org snailmail: 30 Shandon Place tel: +44 (0)778 068 6418 Edinburgh, url: http://www.easyweb.co.uk Scotland From mwarden at mattwarden.com Sun May 27 14:12:05 2001 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Sun May 27 14:12:05 2001 Subject: [thesite] teo sidebar files modified and another SQL question Message-ID: <045001c0e6e0$fbc469b0$9865fea9@patk3mzsmhxpqb> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 thesite, The following files have been modified and tested on teo: /sidebar/act_averagerating.cfm - added content.signoff=1 condition /sidebar/act_comments.cfm - added content.signoff=1 condition and had to re-work the whole query axe-ing the subqueries and using joins to be able to do it. /sidebar/act_countcomments.cfm - added signoff=1 condition and reworked the query to highlight current hot discussions /sidebar/dsp_countcomments.cfm - made changes to reflect changes in act_countcomments What's the process for moving these things over to weo? And rudeman, I have another question for ya. I had queries like the following: SELECT contentid, rating, ratings, contentname, categoryid FROM content WHERE ratings > 5 AND categoryid NOT IN (1,23,26,9741) AND signoff = 1 ORDER BY rating DESC And, what I ended up doing is rearranging the where clause to something like this: SELECT contentid, rating, ratings, contentname, categoryid FROM content WHERE signoff = 1 AND categoryid NOT IN (1,23,26,9741) AND ratings > 5 ORDER BY rating DESC Now, in my little head, this would cause the database to do only the ratings > 5 comparison on the content records that had signoff of 1 and whose category idea was not 1, 23, 26, or 9741 which, again in my little head, is a good thing. But, I think it would depend on where the indeces are. categoryid almost certainly has an index, no? Would it be better to have that as the first condition? And there's no real way for me to know where the indeces are, considering I only have access to my feo database copy which is rather old and has some changes to it. I'm kinda looking for a general rule here like "= is a faster operation than >, so it's better to limit the number of records in the > or < comparison", which would make sense to me. Or, does the optimizer do all this anyway and I'm just fussing about nothing? thanks, - -- mattwarden mattwarden.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOxFRnXgH0dUmEhrcEQIOcQCcCLbsNa5lefbW66W9UWj0DKdtKRsAn2Qe nR5d9/oLovYChs5lKrbSxZKi =F6MQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From joshua at alphashop.net Sun May 27 14:24:30 2001 From: joshua at alphashop.net (Joshua OIson) Date: Sun May 27 14:24:30 2001 Subject: [thesite] teo sidebar files modified and another SQL question References: <045001c0e6e0$fbc469b0$9865fea9@patk3mzsmhxpqb> Message-ID: <004501c0e6e3$12ec3ad0$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> Matt, You just commented on one of my articles. It looks like you commented on it because it had no comments and you needed to test something. But, at one time in the past it did have comments? Anybody have any idea why they got deleted.. and when? Code accident, testing? -joshua From mwarden at odyssey-design.com Sun May 27 14:29:25 2001 From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Sun May 27 14:29:25 2001 Subject: [thesite] teo sidebar files modified and another SQL question References: <045001c0e6e0$fbc469b0$9865fea9@patk3mzsmhxpqb> <004501c0e6e3$12ec3ad0$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> Message-ID: <04ad01c0e6e3$65b37bc0$9865fea9@patk3mzsmhxpqb> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 It's on teo and it uses a separate data source. It's a copy of the data some i-dunno-how-many-days ago and... exhale. - -- mattwarden mattwarden.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua OIson" To: Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [thesite] teo sidebar files modified and another SQL question > Matt, > > You just commented on one of my articles. It looks like you > commented on it because it had no comments and you needed to test > something. But, at one time in the past it did have comments? > Anybody have any idea why they got deleted.. and when? Code > accident, testing? > > -joshua -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOxFVqngH0dUmEhrcEQJaHACgiTmbcB5lZFG95xb6BAVD3MaxOI8An24b WYv6dARRC7lCS9MTbTToGQlA =3wI/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From r937 at interlog.com Sun May 27 15:56:21 2001 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Sun May 27 15:56:21 2001 Subject: [thesite] teo sidebar files modified and another SQL question Message-ID: <01c0e6ef$338facc0$df4b149a@rudy> >But, I think it would depend on where the indeces are. correctamundo any things that the database can do so as not to access actual records, it'll try them first > And there's no real way for me to know where the indeces are there is, but this involves querying oracle's system tables dean published a script recently but i haven't checked it out yet >I'm kinda looking for a general rule here like "= is a faster >operation than >, so it's better to limit the number of records in >the > or < comparison", which would make sense to me. yes, there are general rules -- range tests are bad where foo between bar and bat EXISTS subqueries can be awful where not exists (select something) IN tests against literals are lightning fast IN tests against subqueries are also fast (they are done as joins) stuff like that? >Or, does the optimizer do all this anyway and I'm just fussing about >nothing? yes and yes, mostly rudy From martin at easyweb.co.uk Mon May 28 14:19:42 2001 From: martin at easyweb.co.uk (Martin Burns) Date: Mon May 28 14:19:42 2001 Subject: [thesite] themes milestone plan? Message-ID: <053383522191c51PCOW025M@blueyonder.co.uk> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 So, now that we've got a goodly number of themes (I'm up to 15 now btw), what's the plan for going public with this? Do we tell members before or after we have a fully working app (based on Josh's) to enable members to save their own schemes, or pick one from a library? Before might be cool, with the appropriate caveats, to enable people to have a play as we've been doing. Kind of a public beta... Where would the best place be to announce the beta? We've used thechat before... Cheers Martin -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use Comment: Content after the signature block is *not* signed iQA/AwUBOxKk+HHoHnCoNczLEQL7nQCg2T+elNrY6NVgKMBAQ4hbiww+XHAAoN+F xBg3BZLPMJJGhq97kdWPFvZ5 =B1ex -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From bobd at members.evolt.org Mon May 28 14:39:03 2001 From: bobd at members.evolt.org (Bob Davis) Date: Mon May 28 14:39:03 2001 Subject: [thesite] themes milestone plan? In-Reply-To: <053383522191c51PCOW025M@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <200105281939.f4SJdi612183@chmls20.mediaone.net> On Monday, May 28, 2001, at 03:20 PM, Martin Burns wrote: > Before might be cool, with the appropriate > caveats, to enable people to have a play as > we've been doing. Kind of a public beta... You could use bookmarklets to do it. Something like this: javascript:void(document.createStyleSheet('http://www.w3.org/StyleSheets/Core/ Midnight.css')) Try it. It'll do some cool stuff. I have a whole collection of the W3C Core style sheets in bookmarklet form. It's fun stuff. bob -- bob davis bobd at members.evolt.org From mwarden at odyssey-design.com Mon May 28 14:42:03 2001 From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Mon May 28 14:42:03 2001 Subject: [thesite] themes milestone plan? References: <053383522191c51PCOW025M@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <01aa01c0e7ae$3ce0b8e0$9865fea9@patk3mzsmhxpqb> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > Do we tell members before or after we have > a fully working app (based on Josh's) to Um, not so fast. Has Josh said this is okay? I mean, it *is* his app and I don't think he designed it for the purpose you're proposing. Let's not commit anyone to something they haven't agreed to do. And I really do hope that he doesn't accept this task becuase anyone has pushed it on him. That would be a Bad Thing(tm). > enable members to save their own schemes, Not yet, I'd say. > or pick one from a library? Yes, but do it right. I mean, write it so that we won't have to change anything but *how* the schemes are put into the database. IOW, when the style from the library is chosen, it just creates the schemelements associated to that user (um, I hope I said that right. I haven't looked over this part of the schema yet). > Before might be cool, with the appropriate > caveats, to enable people to have a play as > we've been doing. Kind of a public beta... You mean like we do with thesite at lists.evolt.org? ;-) > Where would the best place be to announce the > beta? We've used thechat before... Beta of what? Choosing the styles from the library? - -- mattwarden mattwarden.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOxKp+HgH0dUmEhrcEQJWWQCgxd70gQYs8i7zoI8W1HZQkualOq0AoMQh C29iXzDci5/Jsf3CIAxh5fCk =YJl5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mwarden at odyssey-design.com Mon May 28 14:46:33 2001 From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Mon May 28 14:46:33 2001 Subject: [thesite] themes milestone plan? References: <053383522191c51PCOW025M@blueyonder.co.uk> <01aa01c0e7ae$3ce0b8e0$9865fea9@patk3mzsmhxpqb> Message-ID: <01b401c0e7af$01564d20$9865fea9@patk3mzsmhxpqb> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > > or pick one from a library? > > Yes, but do it right. I mean, write it so that we won't have to > change anything but *how* the schemes are put into the database. > IOW, when the style from the library is chosen, it just creates the > schemelements associated to that user (um, I hope I said that > right. I haven't looked over this part of the schema yet). I meant to say that I would take this task if no one else already has it, since I have been pondering doing this anyway for the *eo sites, now that they're all on the same network. Rudy/jeff/etc, do you think it would be a bad thing to have a user in the database for each default site scheme? If so, what do you propose we handle default schemes? Surely not hard-coded or redirecting to a weodefault.css file, I hope. - -- mattwarden mattwarden.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOxKrQ3gH0dUmEhrcEQJJsgCdE3z1fovLmtqktbONq71HNV9AHjMAoMwm zPSjgW6NaCvpDzM4oNvUU9Do =we6I -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From elfur at members.evolt.org Mon May 28 14:57:13 2001 From: elfur at members.evolt.org (Elfur Logadottir) Date: Mon May 28 14:57:13 2001 Subject: [thesite] themes milestone plan? References: <053383522191c51PCOW025M@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <03b501c0e7b0$7241d030$40aefea9@DWARFS> From: "Martin Burns" | So, now that we've got a goodly number of | themes (I'm up to 15 now btw), what's the man you're active, I can't keep up with you :) BTW copper has that vertical line as the other did (the one aardvark pointed out) later *the interfering one* From r937 at interlog.com Mon May 28 15:07:58 2001 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Mon May 28 15:07:58 2001 Subject: [thesite] themes milestone plan? Message-ID: <01c0e7b1$e6579120$b546149a@rudy> > when the style from the library is chosen, it just creates the > schemelements associated to that user (um, I hope I said > that right. I haven't looked over this part of the schema yet). yeah, there are some tables just sitting there waiting to be used to be honest, i haven't looked at them in a while either > Rudy/jeff/etc, do you think it would be a bad thing to have a > user in the database for each default site scheme? If so, > what do you propose we handle default schemes? Surely > not hard-coded or redirecting to a weodefault.css file, I hope. this sort of came up recently when we decided to delete the user with userid=0 not exactly sure where the defaults should go, and whether to tie them to a "default" user or not, but you're right, no way we want them hardcoded the original concept was that a user would be able to save a unique scheme, and then other users would be able to pick this scheme, subject to PRIV constraints, either to use just for viewing (so the scheme id would have to be saved in the cookie) or to use as a basis for designing a new one... if i could only get out from under this pile of backlogged work i have, i'd give it some more thought and design something more comprehensive for the defaults... i have no problem responding to specific questions, though, so if anybody has further ideas or input on this subject, please, fire away... rudy From mwarden at odyssey-design.com Mon May 28 15:19:08 2001 From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Mon May 28 15:19:08 2001 Subject: [thesite] themes milestone plan? References: <01c0e7b1$e6579120$b546149a@rudy> Message-ID: <01ea01c0e7b3$94fd62d0$9865fea9@patk3mzsmhxpqb> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > From: "rudy" > Subject: Re: [thesite] themes milestone plan? > > > when the style from the library is chosen, it just creates the > > schemelements associated to that user (um, I hope I said > > that right. I haven't looked over this part of the schema yet). > > yeah, there are some tables just sitting there waiting to be used > > to be honest, i haven't looked at them in a while either Well, I just did (assuming the oracle4.gif file is current for that section). ;-) > not exactly sure where the defaults should go, and whether to tie > them to a "default" user or not, but you're right, no way we want > them hardcoded Would be odd showing up in the user search, but other than that... *shrug* > the original concept was that a user would be able to save a unique > scheme, and then other users would be able to pick this scheme, > subject to PRIV constraints, either to use just for viewing (so the > scheme id would have to be saved in the cookie) or to use as a > basis for designing a new one... Ok. Thanks for the clarification, because I obviously didn't get that from when I looked at the schema last time. There is a field *IN* SCHEME named USERID. Personally, I would have thought this field would be in USER from what you describe. IOW, that SCHEME would be independant of USER rather than being connected to a single user. If I may ask, why'd ya do it this way? And I'm not sure I see the usefullness of PRIV here, other than to hide my horrid design skills from you other members who would laugh your asses off at me. Not that I'm trying to rekindle old discussions or anything. I'd just like to understand. > if i could only get out from under this pile of backlogged work i > have, i'd give it some more thought and design something more > comprehensive for the defaults... I hear ya. - -- mattwarden mattwarden.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOxKy8XgH0dUmEhrcEQIIqQCgipyXdmMAkudyRC4fz5FWYqnN/hgAn2Ku edkMLDWHVJB5mVZy2OOuUDC+ =uLWm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From martin at members.evolt.org Mon May 28 15:21:48 2001 From: martin at members.evolt.org (Martin) Date: Mon May 28 15:21:48 2001 Subject: [thesite] themes milestone plan? Message-ID: <0eda04124201c51PCOW028M@blueyonder.co.uk> Warden, Matt wrote on 28/5/01 8:41 pm >> Do we tell members before or after we have >> a fully working app (based on Josh's) to > >Um, not so fast. Has Josh said this is okay? Whether his is the code or not, the principle's fantastic - pretty close to the user interface we'd need. >I mean, it *is* his app >and I don't think he designed it for the purpose you're proposing. >Let's not commit anyone to something they haven't agreed to do. And I >really do hope that he doesn't accept this task becuase anyone has >pushed it on him. That would be a Bad Thing(tm). +1 >> Before might be cool, with the appropriate >> caveats, to enable people to have a play as >> we've been doing. Kind of a public beta... > >You mean like we do with thesite at lists.evolt.org? ;-) hehe - private beta, and alphas too. >> Where would the best place be to announce the >> beta? We've used thechat before... > >Beta of what? Choosing the styles from the library? members producing their own styles, and applying them. Cheers Martin _______________________________________________ email: martin at easyweb.co.uk PGP ID: 0xA835CCCB martin at members.evolt.org snailmail: 30 Shandon Place tel: +44 (0)778 068 6418 Edinburgh, url: http://www.easyweb.co.uk Scotland From mwarden at odyssey-design.com Mon May 28 15:22:13 2001 From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Mon May 28 15:22:13 2001 Subject: [thesite] themes milestone plan? References: <01c0e7b1$e6579120$b546149a@rudy> <01ea01c0e7b3$94fd62d0$9865fea9@patk3mzsmhxpqb> Message-ID: <01f001c0e7b4$04e2b5f0$9865fea9@patk3mzsmhxpqb> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > Ok. Thanks for the clarification, because I obviously didn't get > that from when I looked at the schema last time. There is a field > *IN* > SCHEME named USERID. Personally, I would have thought this field > would be in USER from what you describe. IOW, that SCHEME would be > independant of USER rather than being connected to a single user. > If I may ask, why'd ya do it this way? *sigh* What I meant to say is that I would have throught there would be a SCHEMEID in USER and not a USERID in SCHEME. I mean, how's we supposed to know which SCHEME to use? It's obviously a 1-M between USER and SCHEME respectively. - -- mattwarden mattwarden.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOxKzrXgH0dUmEhrcEQJGvQCdEYzC34OqLcKJFkpDlhOnyOlyC/kAoLL5 RXUVfsEJfm4LsMdFK0wzFLKy =FaBN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From r937 at interlog.com Mon May 28 17:39:04 2001 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Mon May 28 17:39:04 2001 Subject: [thesite] themes milestone plan? Message-ID: <01c0e7c6$fe7fc0a0$b546149a@rudy> >*sigh* yeah, or if you prefer >What I meant to say is that I would have throught there would be a >SCHEMEID in USER and not a USERID in SCHEME. I mean, how's we >supposed to know which SCHEME to use? It's obviously a 1-M between >USER and SCHEME respectively. well, if it's USER---1-M---SCHEME, then the foreign key sits in the SCHEME and points to the USER, right? which default scheme to use? the one in the cookie okay, i guess a SEQ column in the SCHEME table would be appropriate if the cookie is lost? also, regarding the question of default users, and without looking up the archive where we discussed this when we ditched the USERID=0 user, one good option is to set SCHEME.USERID to null for default schemes helps? rudy From mwarden at odyssey-design.com Mon May 28 18:12:15 2001 From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Mon May 28 18:12:15 2001 Subject: [thesite] themes milestone plan? References: <01c0e7c6$fe7fc0a0$b546149a@rudy> Message-ID: <028f01c0e7cb$c2ed8fe0$9865fea9@patk3mzsmhxpqb> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > well, if it's USER---1-M---SCHEME, then the foreign key sits in the > SCHEME and points to the USER, right? > > which default scheme to use? the one in the cookie > > okay, i guess a SEQ column in the SCHEME table would be appropriate > if the cookie is lost? > > also, regarding the question of default users, and without looking > up the archive where we discussed this when we ditched the USERID=0 > user, one good option is to set SCHEME.USERID to null for default > schemes Again, not trying to be difficult. But, it seems like it would better be a M-M or SCHEME---1-M---SCHEME design, no? I mean, if we're making it so that a scheme doesn't necessarily relate to a single user, why wouldn't it be a M-M. Ok, i'll be quiet now. g'day, - -- mattwarden mattwarden.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOxLbgngH0dUmEhrcEQJPPgCfbjIAw56JmMi9/l9VgjnyQkG/UOUAoPQ4 SYHtE/TsURqu9zc4PoWe1Nwr =KvpT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From r937 at interlog.com Mon May 28 18:40:19 2001 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Mon May 28 18:40:19 2001 Subject: [thesite] themes milestone plan? Message-ID: <01c0e7cf$7ba79280$b546149a@rudy> > Again, not trying to be difficult. But, it seems like it would better > be a M-M or SCHEME---1-M---SCHEME design, no? I mean, if > we're making it so that a scheme doesn't necessarily relate to a > single user, why wouldn't it be a M-M. Ok, i'll be quiet now. no, please don't stop asking questions remember, there's no such thing as a stupid question (okay, maybe "quick, what's the number for 911?") many many times i've seen a flaw in something i desisgned only after somebody asked me to explain it ;o) the many-to-many user scheme design would be fine if we were really considering *sharing* schemes between users, but we're not, because that introduces one wee problem -- how do you control who updates a scheme? yikes yes, with a one-to-many scheme, there is the potential for joe to have a scheme that's identical to one of fred's, especially if they both cloned it off isaac or mccreath... but that only goes for the process of *creating* schemes, not *using* them aside: database space is not the issue here (consider all the dead articles if you're worried about space) ease of use, manageability, and simplicity in coding are higher goals so let's not say that schemes are not intended to be shared -- far from it, we expect the good ones to be shared, i.e. used, a great deal (especially the default ones) but the mechanism of the sharing will be something like this -- susy user visits the site, scrolls through the available schemes, picks one she likes, and badda-bing, the schemeid gets remembered in her cookie, never mind that she picked one of martin's schemes... having said all that, i think maybe the null userid is not necessary -- why not just link them to the original authors? rudy From joshua at alphashop.net Tue May 29 08:48:47 2001 From: joshua at alphashop.net (Joshua OIson) Date: Tue May 29 08:48:47 2001 Subject: [thesite] Automatic Scheme Generation Helper Application (ASGHA) References: <01c0e7cf$7ba79280$b546149a@rudy> Message-ID: <019901c0e846$84b05fc0$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> ASGHA... hmm, I like the sound of that! :) Please, feel free to use it however you'd like. To be honest, right now the thing works in a very non-functional way for how we have intended to use it. In case not everybody noticed, I have given unique names to each element on the page and them am passing the colors in via the URL to the style sheet! Talk about cheap and dirty. The database is simply storing the URL in one field. Most likely, this is not the way that it should be implemented on the actual site. If there is a structure for storing the colors, fonts, font-sizes, background images, etc, that is wonderful. It should be easily enough to update what I have done to include that. However, since most of the back end code would have to be replaced, the only thing you'd probably want to keep is the user interface on the front end... maybe. I envision a better user interface with a smaller popup window with tabs that lets you change colors, fonts, sizes, etc in an organized manner. Then when the user selects update it updates the main window. Most of what I have done is not portable to that... sorry. I'm just glad everybody found my tool useful. If someone wants the code to play with and the table definition, I can put a link to a ZIP archive on the main page. -joshua From djc at starkmedia.com Tue May 29 10:22:23 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Tue May 29 10:22:23 2001 Subject: [thesite] themes References: <0eb1f2700121b51PCOW028M@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <3B13BA24.25F9159A@starkmedia.com> martin - those coffee themes fuckin rule man! nice work :) .djc. Martin wrote: > > Just to stop people calling me a slacker ;-) > > http://members.evolt.org/martin/schemes/deepsand.html > http://members.evolt.org/martin/schemes/deepwater.html > http://members.evolt.org/martin/schemes/gigerjade.html > http://members.evolt.org/martin/schemes/gigerjade_article.html > > Cheers > Martin > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > email: martin at easyweb.co.uk PGP ID: 0xA835CCCB > martin at members.evolt.org snailmail: 30 Shandon Place > tel: +44 (0)778 068 6418 Edinburgh, > url: http://www.easyweb.co.uk Scotland > > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/ > and new & improved kentucky fried old archives: > http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/ From martin at members.evolt.org Tue May 29 13:13:52 2001 From: martin at members.evolt.org (Martin) Date: Tue May 29 13:13:52 2001 Subject: [thesite] themes Message-ID: <051de4816181d51PCOW024M@blueyonder.co.uk> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Daniel J. Cody wrote on 29/5/01 4:03 pm >those coffee themes fuckin rule man! nice work :) Thanks Dan! Interesting how some schemes' success *really* varies by platform. All of ttp://roselli.org/new_evolt/layout/article_blurange.asp http://roselli.org/new_evolt/layout/article_silver.asp http://members.evolt.org/martin/schemes/home.shtml?espresso http://members.evolt.org/martin/schemes/home.shtml?papersun look *fantastic* on Windows, but pretty much suck on Macs. I guess part of the problem is the Windows/Mac gamma variance... Actually, that last one sucks on Windows on a CRT too. It's pretty keen on an LCD tho'. If I get time I'll give it a tweak. Cheers Martin -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use Comment: Content after the signature block is *not* signed iQA/AwUBOxPm6XHoHnCoNczLEQL96ACcCD9YSMokmYfiNgSHxwCLpAowiw4Anigx v9cA1zq2YQ2ytnf5pO+AZHox =kpmD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ email: martin at easyweb.co.uk PGP ID: 0xA835CCCB martin at members.evolt.org snailmail: 30 Shandon Place tel: +44 (0)778 068 6418 Edinburgh, url: http://www.easyweb.co.uk Scotland From ronwhite at members.evolt.org Tue May 29 13:18:52 2001 From: ronwhite at members.evolt.org (Ron White) Date: Tue May 29 13:18:52 2001 Subject: [thesite] themes In-Reply-To: <051de4816181d51PCOW024M@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: OUCH!!!! http://members.evolt.org/martin/schemes/home.shtml?papersun Dang thing melted my retinas.... Man that is bright.... Thanks, Ron White From djc at starkmedia.com Tue May 29 16:09:10 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Tue May 29 16:09:10 2001 Subject: [thesite] moving w.e.o Message-ID: <3B141024.E3BD48C9@starkmedia.com> FYI - i'm probably gonna be moving it to the new server tonite, along with an up to date copy of our DB.. everything seems to be running just fine and dandy, and i wont be gone for the next couple weekends.. hopefully sounds cool to everyone :) .djc. From mwarden at mattwarden.com Tue May 29 16:15:45 2001 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Tue May 29 16:15:45 2001 Subject: [thesite] Re: [Admin] moving w.e.o References: <3B141024.E3BD48C9@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <00cf01c0e884$aec4e400$9865fea9@patk3mzsmhxpqb> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > From: "Daniel J. Cody" > Subject: [Admin] moving w.e.o > > FYI - i'm probably gonna be moving it to the new server tonite, > along with an up to date copy of our DB.. everything seems to be > running just fine and dandy, and i wont be gone for the next couple > weekends.. > > hopefully sounds cool to everyone :) Sounds good. Any chance we can get those few changes I made in the move? The modified files are listed (and beautifully-formatted) in a previous post. See: http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/2001-May/001572.html - -- mattwarden mattwarden.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOxQRungH0dUmEhrcEQLiYgCg/brm60bLo5SD3y4G9b2toUWxW+kAoLFC v8iMr19XgPEZLEWrT8/G8N99 =FEeq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From djc at starkmedia.com Tue May 29 16:20:21 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Tue May 29 16:20:21 2001 Subject: [thesite] Re: [Admin] moving w.e.o References: <3B141024.E3BD48C9@starkmedia.com> <00cf01c0e884$aec4e400$9865fea9@patk3mzsmhxpqb> Message-ID: <3B1412BB.3D749EED@starkmedia.com> they're good to go on t.e.o? (sorry, i wasn't going to check that stuff out till after work) if so, i dont seea prob .djc. "Warden, Matt" wrote: > > FYI - i'm probably gonna be moving it to the new server tonite, > > along with an up to date copy of our DB.. everything seems to be > > running just fine and dandy, and i wont be gone for the next couple > > weekends.. > > > > hopefully sounds cool to everyone :) > > Sounds good. > > Any chance we can get those few changes I made in the move? The > modified files are listed (and beautifully-formatted) in a previous > post. See: > > http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/2001-May/001572.html From javier at msm.cl Tue May 29 16:21:50 2001 From: javier at msm.cl (mantruc) Date: Tue May 29 16:21:50 2001 Subject: [thesite] moving w.e.o References: <3B141024.E3BD48C9@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <3B14127B.A684EF72@msm.cl> "Daniel J. Cody" wrote: > hopefully sounds cool to everyone :) no, it actually sucks . . . . . . . . thanks onde more dan -- - javier velasco - - web architect - - http://mantruc.com - From djc at starkmedia.com Tue May 29 17:25:55 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Tue May 29 17:25:55 2001 Subject: [thesite] everything coming down for a minute.. Message-ID: <3B142204.483E4E8@starkmedia.com> all of our sites are gonna come down for just a minute or two while I do some hardware changin in preperation for www.evolt.org to move to the new server.. 5 minutes tops :) thanks .djc. From djc at starkmedia.com Tue May 29 17:46:09 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Tue May 29 17:46:09 2001 Subject: [thesite] Re: [Admin] everything coming down for a minute.. References: <3B142204.483E4E8@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <3B142605.CE04388A@starkmedia.com> and we're back. :) "Daniel J. Cody" wrote: > > all of our sites are gonna come down for just a minute or two while I do > some hardware changin in preperation for www.evolt.org to move to the > new server.. > > 5 minutes tops :) > > thanks > > .djc. > > ___________________________________________________ > Watch out for speeding buses on your bikeride, and > remember to wear black!!! From djc at starkmedia.com Tue May 29 18:21:33 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Tue May 29 18:21:33 2001 Subject: [thesite] moving w.e.o References: <3B141024.E3BD48C9@starkmedia.com> <00cf01c0e884$aec4e400$9865fea9@patk3mzsmhxpqb> Message-ID: <3B142E3F.E95C622D@starkmedia.com> Matt, your changes are all up and live on the new w.e.o server which is now *live*. Right now, the traffic is being split between the new and old server and will be as people's DNS servers update.. If you're wondering if you're servers have updated yet, check out the source code on the front page of www.evolt.org or evolt.org - if you see an HTML comment with weo.evolt.org at the top, you're on the new server.. Otherwise you're still seeing the old one :) Also, if you can, make sure you're on the new server before posting comments, articles, etc - it will make the job of syncing laggers a ton easier :) Umm.. so hit the shit out of it, let us know how slow/fast/whatever it is for you or any problems you see :) thanks! .djc. "Warden, Matt" wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > From: "Daniel J. Cody" > > Subject: [Admin] moving w.e.o > > > > > FYI - i'm probably gonna be moving it to the new server tonite, > > along with an up to date copy of our DB.. everything seems to be > > running just fine and dandy, and i wont be gone for the next couple > > weekends.. > > > > hopefully sounds cool to everyone :) > > Sounds good. > > Any chance we can get those few changes I made in the move? The > modified files are listed (and beautifully-formatted) in a previous > post. See: > > http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/2001-May/001572.html From emeyer at lclark.edu Tue May 29 20:16:15 2001 From: emeyer at lclark.edu (Erika Meyer) Date: Tue May 29 20:16:15 2001 Subject: [thesite] themes Message-ID: dormouse emerges from her teapot... > >> 2 more, both with a kind of chinese flavour: >>> http://members.evolt.org/martin/schemes/crouchingtiger.html > >> http://members.evolt.org/martin/schemes/hiddendragon.html > > >>i don't see them as chinese, but they are adequately bright... > >Light, fresh Chinese... with a bit of plum sauce. I don't know what Chinese restaurants look like in Scotland, but in the US they involve a lot of bright red and metallic gold... maybe green and black with white/grey highlights... and yes brown and beige. I like the "hidden dragon" theme but would hit the red a little harder. You need real red. BIG red. Red with "huevos". #FF0000 kind of red. Big swaths of it. I bought a fung shui mirror at an Asian grocery a couple of days ago. It has bright red, bright green (web greens suck but I'd venture somewhere between #00CC66 and #00FF00) and gold I believe for the bagua trigrams. Martin: I like gingerjade the most: it is my favorite of all. Deepwater is good and the various sand ones are not bad either. I'd like to see papersun with a #FFFFCC on the left hand side... and some kind of background that isn't white. And we can call it a.jaundicedevolt. > >as a counterpoint, did you ever see my Stealth style? > >Everything stealthy except the evolt.borg branding >*hehe* I suppose the point of this is you don't need one of those monitor screens; with "stealth" no one can see what's on your screen (including you). (I'm on a mac if that makes a diff) >One more - starting to think a bit African: >http://members.evolt.org/martin/schemes/tangier.html I like this one quite a bit, also. Latte, too. But I'm resisting the coffee designs 'cause I hate Starbuck's & miss the day when Starbuck was just the Melville character riding a ship into hell. >Can't *quite* get the vibrancy of colours I want in an RGB >colourspace, but getting there. my overall comment on all these evolt builds is they are too timid. Are they any chicks involved with this? If not, why not? I think there are different color sensibilities between genders. Apologies for coming in at the middle of everything... have been way behind on thesite email and guess I was ignoring as the database stuff that is usually discussed is geek... oops I mean "greek" to me, but the colors and design are of great interest and inspire me to butt in quite obnoxiously. Who's developing themes and how did that get decided? Was it just something thesite people jumped into at random? Or did individuals get asked? ever on the fringe, Erika -- From djc at starkmedia.com Tue May 29 20:34:50 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Tue May 29 20:34:50 2001 Subject: [thesite] themes References: Message-ID: <3B146BAA.70001@starkmedia.com> Erika Meyer wrote: > my overall comment on all these evolt builds is they are too timid. Are > they any chicks involved with this? If not, why not? I think there are > different color sensibilities between genders. a couple chicks, but none like you ;) > Who's developing themes and how did that get decided? Was it just > something thesite people jumped into at random? Or did individuals get > asked? pretty much anyone and everyone has been asked to develop a theme or two.. david and elfur have good info on their m.e.o pages about how to get started creating them, so jump on in :) the more the merrier erika .djc. From elfur at members.evolt.org Tue May 29 20:48:20 2001 From: elfur at members.evolt.org (Elfur Logadottir) Date: Tue May 29 20:48:20 2001 Subject: [thesite] themes References: Message-ID: <06bf01c0e8aa$3e867f20$40aefea9@DWARFS> From: "Erika Meyer" | my overall comment on all these evolt builds is they are too timid. | Are they any chicks involved with this? If not, why not? I think | there are different color sensibilities between genders. so you haven't seen my pink one :) http://members.evolt.org/elfur/evolt/themes/ | Who's developing themes and how did that get decided? Was it just | something thesite people jumped into at random? Or did individuals | get asked? anyone that wants to is developing anything he wants. I think my page has a link to all themes created (if not please let me know) and mccreath's page has the evolt files to work with. later *the one* From bobd at members.evolt.org Tue May 29 21:19:06 2001 From: bobd at members.evolt.org (Bob Davis) Date: Tue May 29 21:19:06 2001 Subject: [thesite] themes In-Reply-To: <06bf01c0e8aa$3e867f20$40aefea9@DWARFS> Message-ID: <200105300216.f4U2Gsx15422@chmls05.mediaone.net> Looking at these all, I just noticed the outline around the "Remember Me" checkbox. It looks like the background CSS for input is creating an outline for the checkbox. Is this only on OS-X? I'm using IE 5.1. I'll shoot a screen cap if anyone wants it. I don't know if there's anything to do about it, or if it's a bug. It shows up most on rockyhorror. Nice colors though.... :) bob On Tuesday, May 29, 2001, at 09:45 PM, Elfur Logadottir wrote: > so you haven't seen my pink one :) > > http://members.evolt.org/elfur/evolt/themes/ -- bob davis bobd at members.evolt.org From DDenis at inlumen.com Wed May 30 10:15:01 2001 From: DDenis at inlumen.com (Denis, David) Date: Wed May 30 10:15:01 2001 Subject: [thesite] themes Message-ID: <842FC5D4D50A43469D9CBDE15917249101256857@nycexch.newsalert.com> > pretty much anyone and everyone has been asked to develop a theme or > two.. david and elfur have good info on their m.e.o pages > about how to > get started creating them, so jump on in :) links please :) Dave From djc at starkmedia.com Wed May 30 10:17:46 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Wed May 30 10:17:46 2001 Subject: [thesite] themes References: <842FC5D4D50A43469D9CBDE15917249101256857@nycexch.newsalert.com> Message-ID: <3B150E15.CC22894@starkmedia.com> Hi Dave - Check out Davids page with starter files and samples at http://members.evolt.org/mccreath/evolt/colorschemes/ Elfur has much of the same on her page as well.. http://members.evolt.org/elfur/evolt/themes/ If you're looking for more info, check out thesite archives at http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/ or ask here for help :) Thanks! .djc. "Denis, David" wrote: > > > pretty much anyone and everyone has been asked to develop a theme or > > two.. david and elfur have good info on their m.e.o pages > > about how to > > get started creating them, so jump on in :) > > links please :) > > Dave From emeyer at lclark.edu Wed May 30 12:47:10 2001 From: emeyer at lclark.edu (Erika Meyer) Date: Wed May 30 12:47:10 2001 Subject: [thesite] themes In-Reply-To: <06bf01c0e8aa$3e867f20$40aefea9@DWARFS> References: <06bf01c0e8aa$3e867f20$40aefea9@DWARFS> Message-ID: >| my overall comment on all these evolt builds is they are too timid. >| Are they any chicks involved with this? If not, why not? I think >| there are different color sensibilities between genders. > >so you haven't seen my pink one :) > >http://members.evolt.org/elfur/evolt/themes/ Thanks Elfur, the pink one is exactly what I was craving. (slap on some polka dots and you got an 80's retro theme) *looks down the list* ohmygod! There are already a million billion themes! >anyone that wants to is developing anything he wants. I might like to try a couple in the next couple of days if/when I can scare up a spare hour or three. How the hell are we going to cull them? *** http://members.evolt.org/astro38/evolt/ this is a nice one... have you listed it, Elfur? Erika -- From r937 at interlog.com Wed May 30 16:03:15 2001 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Wed May 30 16:03:15 2001 Subject: [thesite] Fw: Someone is talking... Message-ID: <01c0e94b$67d7f880$LocalHost@rudy> i got two of these (message forwarded, below) because i both wrote the article and commented on it so we should maybe add a DISTINCT to the query? i know, i know, i should be able to look it up in the source code myself, but i just haven't learned how to find the code yet.... not that i'm no good at drilling down through folders once i'm in, my problem is getting in in the first place... oh, and what does "hot" mean? -- Recent Hot Discussions * Does Netscape 6 Break * Breadcrumbs for the sa * Writing Smart Web-base * Why 'Bobby Approved' i * Lost in the Matrix rudy _____________ >Hello, > >aardvark has commented on a discussion thread you posted >to evolt.org. Would you like to read what was written? > >http://evolt.org/article/view/20/2321/index.html#comments > >Thanks, > >evolt.org staff >_______________________________________ >(if you would like to turn off this automatic notification, you may >do so on the site- just log in and click on 'Edit Account'.) > > From mwarden at odyssey-design.com Wed May 30 16:32:46 2001 From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Wed May 30 16:32:46 2001 Subject: [thesite] Fw: Someone is talking... References: <01c0e94b$67d7f880$LocalHost@rudy> Message-ID: <022801c0e950$1aadb0e0$9865fea9@patk3mzsmhxpqb> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > Recent Hot Discussions > * Does Netscape 6 Break . > * Breadcrumbs for the sa. > * Writing Smart Web-base. > * Why 'Bobby Approved' i. > * Lost in the Matrix Yeah, Im certainly open to discussions. Of course, if you had brought this up before it went live... *duck* - -- mattwarden mattwarden.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOxVnCXgH0dUmEhrcEQK0PACg9eMOB2sQBX8n300vajVkGTlkASEAnjnS y0s8yevgr/fjiVtXhh7xD//n =TqDW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From martin at members.evolt.org Wed May 30 17:13:49 2001 From: martin at members.evolt.org (Martin) Date: Wed May 30 17:13:49 2001 Subject: [thesite] themes Message-ID: <04e3e5115231e51PCOW035M@blueyonder.co.uk> Erika Meyer wrote on 30/5/01 6:47 pm >>anyone that wants to is developing anything he wants. > >I might like to try a couple in the next couple of days if/when I can >scare up a spare hour or three. How the hell are we going to cull >them? Why do we need to cull them? (except my Paper Sun one until I tweak the colour so it looks the same on a CRT as I see it now on an LCD screen) Cheers Martin _______________________________________________ email: martin at easyweb.co.uk PGP ID: 0xA835CCCB martin at members.evolt.org snailmail: 30 Shandon Place tel: +44 (0)778 068 6418 Edinburgh, url: http://www.easyweb.co.uk Scotland From michele at wordpro.on.ca Wed May 30 17:16:48 2001 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Wed May 30 17:16:48 2001 Subject: [thesite] w.e.o. move Message-ID: <012901c0e956$35198ca0$0e149ad8@mef> Hey Dan, w.e.o. showed up here both sites this morning. Everything is super-duper fast. woohoo!!! Two images got "lost" in the transition from this FAQ Article. http://www.evolt.org/evolt_images/index.html Those two images seem to like vanishing into thin air for some odd reason. Any chance the file names are just too damn long? (Silly suggestion perhaps.) Anyway, can you grab em back, maybe off your site if need be. Did you get the revised larger one that Amanda modified (minus comma)? Thanks, Michele From jeff at members.evolt.org Wed May 30 17:21:58 2001 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (jeff) Date: Wed May 30 17:21:58 2001 Subject: [thesite] w.e.o. move In-Reply-To: <012901c0e956$35198ca0$0e149ad8@mef> Message-ID: michele, :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : From: Michele Foster : : Everything is super-duper fast. woohoo!!! :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ indeed. :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : Two images got "lost" in the transition from : this FAQ Article. :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ yeah, mentioned before, apparently dan hasn't had a chance to grab them yet. :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : Those two images seem to like vanishing into : thin air for some odd reason. :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ they're sitting on the old evolt server, but not on the new server. :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : Any chance the file names are just too damn long? : (Silly suggestion perhaps.) :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ yup, silly. :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : Did you get the revised larger one that Amanda : modified (minus comma)? :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ we really shouldn't be updating that image without asking the author to do it. it's not our creation to be messing with. my 2?, .jeff name://jeff.howden game://web.development http://www.evolt.org/ mailto:jeff at members.evolt.org From michele at wordpro.on.ca Wed May 30 17:23:01 2001 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Wed May 30 17:23:01 2001 Subject: [thesite] Fw: Someone is talking... References: <01c0e94b$67d7f880$LocalHost@rudy> <022801c0e950$1aadb0e0$9865fea9@patk3mzsmhxpqb> Message-ID: <012c01c0e957$13d18a60$0e149ad8@mef> Matt, Possible suggestions.... Drop "Hot" all together = "Recent Discussions" "Recently Article Discussions" "Recent Article Comments" "Recent Articles with Comments" "Latest Article Comments" "Latest Articles Commented Upon" Sorry, hadn't been keeping up with all the changes you did on t.e.o. Takes a bit of time getting used to it. Michele ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warden, Matt" | | > Recent Hot Discussions | | Yeah, Im certainly open to discussions. | | Of course, if you had brought this up before it went live... | From djc at starkmedia.com Wed May 30 17:24:13 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Wed May 30 17:24:13 2001 Subject: [thesite] w.e.o. move References: Message-ID: <3B157155.8335F9E5@starkmedia.com> its fine now.. the prob was they were never on the t.e.o server when i moved shit up from that box to the live one. .djc. jeff wrote: > :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > : Two images got "lost" in the transition from > : this FAQ Article. > :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > yeah, mentioned before, apparently dan hasn't had a chance to grab them yet. > > :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > : Those two images seem to like vanishing into > : thin air for some odd reason. > :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > they're sitting on the old evolt server, but not on the new server. From emeyer at lclark.edu Wed May 30 17:29:48 2001 From: emeyer at lclark.edu (Erika Meyer) Date: Wed May 30 17:29:48 2001 Subject: [thesite] themes In-Reply-To: <04e3e5115231e51PCOW035M@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <04e3e5115231e51PCOW035M@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: >Erika Meyer wrote on 30/5/01 30 May 01... > >I might like to try a couple in the next couple of days if/when I can >>scare up a spare hour or three. How the hell are we going to cull >>them? sez Martin on the same midsummers eve: >Why do we need to cull them? (except my Paper Sun one until I >tweak the colour so it looks the same on a CRT as I see it now >on an LCD screen) I don't know... I don't know anything about the behind-the-scenes database hocus pocus... so the authors do their own culling..? So I could offer the "Erika Collection" and you the "Martin Collection" (how about "MB" -- that sounds nice and slick--evokes 'megabyte') and people just page thru till they find one that suits them? Hey, can we get Zeldman to do one? sorry, was just asking. I'd actually love to take one of his funky backgrounds & work from it... & maybe I will, dammit. Erika -- From michele at wordpro.on.ca Wed May 30 17:31:48 2001 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Wed May 30 17:31:48 2001 Subject: [thesite] w.e.o. move References: Message-ID: <014301c0e958$4e98bb40$0e149ad8@mef> Jeff, Exactly my point .. but no one backed me up on Admin when this was discussed and done. The revised image is on the site now .. not sure its worth debating over a comma in order to go back and change it again. Not my call tho... Michele ----- Original Message ----- From: "jeff" | :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | : Did you get the revised larger one that Amanda | : modified (minus comma)? | :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | | we really shouldn't be updating that image without asking the author to do | it. it's not our creation to be messing with. | From elfur at members.evolt.org Wed May 30 17:34:03 2001 From: elfur at members.evolt.org (Elfur Logadottir) Date: Wed May 30 17:34:03 2001 Subject: [thesite] themes References: <06bf01c0e8aa$3e867f20$40aefea9@DWARFS> Message-ID: <003d01c0e958$93fbf210$40aefea9@DWARFS> From: "Erika Meyer" | >so you haven't seen my pink one :) | > | >http://members.evolt.org/elfur/evolt/themes/ | | Thanks Elfur, the pink one is exactly what I was craving. (slap on | some polka dots and you got an 80's retro theme) heh, i thought so. | *** | http://members.evolt.org/astro38/evolt/ | this is a nice one... have you listed it, Elfur? yes, this is mccreath's emerald ... *the one* From martin at members.evolt.org Wed May 30 17:34:43 2001 From: martin at members.evolt.org (Martin) Date: Wed May 30 17:34:43 2001 Subject: [thesite] themes Message-ID: <0bc4a4236221e51PCOW029M@blueyonder.co.uk> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Erika Meyer wrote on 30/5/01 11:29 pm >30 May 01... > >> >I might like to try a couple in the next couple of days if/when I can >>>scare up a spare hour or three. How the hell are we going to cull >>>them? > >sez Martin on the same midsummers eve: > >>Why do we need to cull them? (except my Paper Sun one until I >>tweak the colour so it looks the same on a CRT as I see it now >>on an LCD screen) > >I don't know... I don't know anything about the behind-the-scenes >database hocus pocus... so the authors do their own culling..? So I >could offer the "Erika Collection" and you the "Martin Collection" Right. Organising, not killng off, I get it now. >Hey, can we get Zeldman to do one? hehe - we'd better hide Adrian's AFistApart one 1st. Cheers Martin -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use Comment: Content after the signature block is *not* signed iQA/AwUBOxV0/XHoHnCoNczLEQLaGACgwg+Bsep4GA4fkuSizWUH5tcF9RQAoPq1 AGIP3z7PJtdHTcxNMRlvSCVM =QUpi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ email: martin at easyweb.co.uk PGP ID: 0xA835CCCB martin at members.evolt.org snailmail: 30 Shandon Place tel: +44 (0)778 068 6418 Edinburgh, url: http://www.easyweb.co.uk Scotland From emeyer at lclark.edu Wed May 30 17:34:53 2001 From: emeyer at lclark.edu (Erika Meyer) Date: Wed May 30 17:34:53 2001 Subject: [thesite] evolt: transparent image In-Reply-To: <012901c0e956$35198ca0$0e149ad8@mef> References: <012901c0e956$35198ca0$0e149ad8@mef> Message-ID: >http://www.evolt.org/evolt_images/index.html for future ref: if you put a wee glow (like a thin black glow... or stroke if it's Fireworks) around instead of just the matting, it could look decent on light OR dark backgrounds. I do that when I have images against backgrounds that have been colored with CSS instead of HTML attributes (which is always, if I can help it). Yes, I'm I busybody today. Erika -- From mwarden at odyssey-design.com Wed May 30 17:43:18 2001 From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Wed May 30 17:43:18 2001 Subject: [thesite] Fw: Someone is talking... References: <01c0e94b$67d7f880$LocalHost@rudy> <022801c0e950$1aadb0e0$9865fea9@patk3mzsmhxpqb> <012c01c0e957$13d18a60$0e149ad8@mef> Message-ID: <02b601c0e959$f1de1b00$9865fea9@patk3mzsmhxpqb> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > Drop "Hot" all together = "Recent Discussions" > "Recently Article Discussions" > "Recent Article Comments" > "Recent Articles with Comments" > "Latest Article Comments" > "Latest Articles Commented Upon" accurate, check grammar upon or on?> > > Sorry, hadn't been keeping up with all the changes you did on > t.e.o. Takes a bit of time getting used to it. Ok, let's just refresh what the query is. It's not the most recently-commented articles. It's the most recently-commented articles with over (i think it's 13) 13 comments (hence the "hot"). We're directing people to discussion-evoking articles. That's the point. My change was in the thought of old news isn't as discussion-evoking as new news. So, like the evoltageddon article isn't gonna promote as much discussion as another article which is more appropriate for the now. So, "latest articles commented upon" isn't the most accurate. Yes, I spent some time on the name too. That's the best I could come up with on my own. - -- mattwarden mattwarden.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOxV3hngH0dUmEhrcEQKSNQCeKyes2kJIed3xRZuYHGRSOc2HZ0gAoOQn ORWsm2Ua4gpJytAn80cLhGWX =1nw+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From emeyer at lclark.edu Wed May 30 17:46:43 2001 From: emeyer at lclark.edu (Erika Meyer) Date: Wed May 30 17:46:43 2001 Subject: [thesite] themes In-Reply-To: <0bc4a4236221e51PCOW029M@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <0bc4a4236221e51PCOW029M@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: >Right. Organising, not killng off, I get it now. no, I originally meant "killing off" or better, "selecting." I thought that we'd offer, like 10 to choose from. I didn't know it was cool to offer so many. Erika -- From michele at wordpro.on.ca Wed May 30 17:57:23 2001 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Wed May 30 17:57:23 2001 Subject: [thesite] Fw: Someone is talking... References: <01c0e94b$67d7f880$LocalHost@rudy> <022801c0e950$1aadb0e0$9865fea9@patk3mzsmhxpqb> <012c01c0e957$13d18a60$0e149ad8@mef> <02b601c0e959$f1de1b00$9865fea9@patk3mzsmhxpqb> Message-ID: <018101c0e95b$e353f580$0e149ad8@mef> Damn, I gotta pay more attention ... That query kicks ass ... the description is key. I kinda like what you wrote, "Discussion-Evoking Articles" or even add "Recent D...." to it. My brain is fried..I dunno. Knowing what it really is a display of, I don't have a problem with your original title. Rudy, whatcha think? Matt, smack us a little harder when we need to look at t.e.o. and provide comments before its live... personally, I got lost in the maze of stuff going on. Sorry again. Michele (*someone broke the space bar ... and it wasn't me this time*) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warden, Matt" | | Ok, let's just refresh what the query is. It's not the most | recently-commented articles. It's the most recently-commented | articles with over (i think it's 13) 13 comments (hence the "hot"). | | We're directing people to discussion-evoking articles. That's the | point. My change was in the thought of old news isn't as | discussion-evoking as new news. So, like the evoltageddon article | isn't gonna promote as much discussion as another article which is | more appropriate for the now. | | So, "latest articles commented upon" isn't the most accurate. Yes, I | spent some time on the name too. That's the best I could come up with | on my own. From r937 at interlog.com Wed May 30 18:48:44 2001 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Wed May 30 18:48:44 2001 Subject: [thesite] Fw: Someone is talking... Message-ID: <01c0e963$00524680$LocalHost@rudy> > Knowing what it really is a display of, I don't > have a problem with your original title. > > Rudy, whatcha think? i think today i should've stayed in bed >Matt, smack us a little harder when we need to look at t.e.o. +1 thanks, gang From roselli at earthlink.net Thu May 31 02:11:49 2001 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Thu May 31 02:11:49 2001 Subject: [thesite] evolt: transparent image In-Reply-To: References: <012901c0e956$35198ca0$0e149ad8@mef> Message-ID: <3B15B67C.17889.12DBEFE3@localhost> > From: Erika Meyer > > for future ref: if you put a wee glow (like a thin black glow... or > stroke if it's Fireworks) around instead of just the matting, it could > look decent on light OR dark backgrounds. already built one, ask dan, he might have it handy (can't find it right now)... however, the glow/stroke isn't as feasible as it sounds... trust me, i tried it... it still ends up looking like arse on either dark or light, since you still have to alias the edges... anyway, i posted it to dan a while ago for the blogs, but haven't added it to the logo page at http://roselli.org/new_evolt/logos.asp... From roselli at earthlink.net Thu May 31 02:19:54 2001 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Thu May 31 02:19:54 2001 Subject: [thesite] themes In-Reply-To: <0bc4a4236221e51PCOW029M@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <3B15B865.22023.12E36511@localhost> > From: Martin [...] > >Hey, can we get Zeldman to do one? > hehe - we'd better hide Adrian's AFistApart one 1st. it occurs to me that given all the talk of the fist on the postcards dan had made up, that the word 'fist' in the that theme title might be taken the wrong way... well, if anyone here assumes it's got any malice attached to it, get over it... i chose 'fist' because it rhymes with list, the whole evolt/revolt thing still evokes a fist in my head, and it seemed like a good pun... just thought i'd say that before anyone got their merkins in a bunch... btw: http://roselli.org/new_evolt/layout/ From djc at starkmedia.com Thu May 31 11:40:05 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Thu May 31 11:40:05 2001 Subject: [thesite] commenting of thesite.. Message-ID: <3B1671CD.BCBDECEB@starkmedia.com> judith - hows that stuff going?? i've seen some of the stuff you've been doing on t.e.o and it looks good from what i've seen :) nice work! i'm just wondering cus i've had another guy ask if we're distributing the code or not.. thnx! :) .djc. From judi at frognet.net Thu May 31 12:07:50 2001 From: judi at frognet.net (Judith Taylor) Date: Thu May 31 12:07:50 2001 Subject: [thesite] commenting of thesite.. In-Reply-To: <3B1671CD.BCBDECEB@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010531130048.00a48480@mail.frognet.net> Bad news Dan, my server (with my files of course) is down with a bum motherboard. I'm waiting for the new one to arrive. Other than that...it's going OK...but I have to agree with Dave Watts about how Fusebox adds a level of complexity to the process of coding. Some of the parts are going fairly quickly, others I feel like a blind person in a maze. :oP Umm, what 'stuff' have you seen? Judith Daniel J. Cody put into words: >judith - > >hows that stuff going?? i've seen some of the stuff you've been doing on >t.e.o and it looks good from what i've seen :) nice work! > >i'm just wondering cus i've had another guy ask if we're distributing >the code or not.. > >thnx! :) > >.djc. Judith Taylor ICQ: 67460562 Freelance ColdFusion Developer - Athens, OH Friends don't let friends code before coffee. From djc at starkmedia.com Thu May 31 14:19:23 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Thu May 31 14:19:23 2001 Subject: [thesite] Fw: Someone is talking... References: <01c0e94b$67d7f880$LocalHost@rudy> Message-ID: <3B1696A8.1560D7A1@starkmedia.com> rude - if you wanna let me know what the query should be, i can go ahead and add it to t.e.o :) .djc. rudy wrote: > > i got two of these (message forwarded, below) because i both wrote the > article and commented on it > > so we should maybe add a DISTINCT to the query? From djc at starkmedia.com Thu May 31 14:22:40 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Thu May 31 14:22:40 2001 Subject: [thesite] evolt: transparent image References: <012901c0e956$35198ca0$0e149ad8@mef> <3B15B67C.17889.12DBEFE3@localhost> Message-ID: <3B169765.59BF03A2@starkmedia.com> os this the one you mean? http://members.evolt.org/djc/stdio/images/logo_aliased.gif if so, i can drop it in the images folder on the main site .djc. aardvark wrote: > > > From: Erika Meyer > > > > for future ref: if you put a wee glow (like a thin black glow... or > > stroke if it's Fireworks) around instead of just the matting, it could > > look decent on light OR dark backgrounds. > > already built one, ask dan, he might have it handy (can't find it right > now)... however, the glow/stroke isn't as feasible as it sounds... > trust me, i tried it... it still ends up looking like arse on either dark > or light, since you still have to alias the edges... > > anyway, i posted it to dan a while ago for the blogs, but haven't > added it to the logo page at http://roselli.org/new_evolt/logos.asp... From djc at starkmedia.com Thu May 31 14:23:10 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Thu May 31 14:23:10 2001 Subject: [thesite] commenting of thesite.. References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010531130048.00a48480@mail.frognet.net> Message-ID: <3B16978F.54072045@starkmedia.com> no prob, just wondering how it was goin :) it is a bit more complex to pick up, i'll agree - but once you do have it picked up, it makes things a lot more easier.. thanks again :) .djc. Judith Taylor wrote: > > Bad news Dan, my server (with my files of course) is down with a bum > motherboard. I'm waiting for the new one to arrive. Other than that...it's > going OK...but I have to agree with Dave Watts about how Fusebox adds a > level of complexity to the process of coding. Some of the parts are going > fairly quickly, others I feel like a blind person in a maze. :oP > > Umm, what 'stuff' have you seen? > > Judith > > Daniel J. Cody put into words: > >judith - > > > >hows that stuff going?? i've seen some of the stuff you've been doing on > >t.e.o and it looks good from what i've seen :) nice work! > > > >i'm just wondering cus i've had another guy ask if we're distributing > >the code or not.. > > > >thnx! :) > > > >.djc. > > Judith Taylor > ICQ: 67460562 > Freelance ColdFusion Developer - Athens, OH > > Friends don't let friends code before coffee. > > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/ > and new & improved kentucky fried old archives: > http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/ From roselli at earthlink.net Thu May 31 16:00:52 2001 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Thu May 31 16:00:52 2001 Subject: [thesite] evolt: transparent image In-Reply-To: <3B169765.59BF03A2@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <200105312100.f4VL0mL30367@leo.evolt.org> > From: "Daniel J. Cody" > > os this the one you mean? > > http://members.evolt.org/djc/stdio/images/logo_aliased.gif > > if so, i can drop it in the images folder on the main site yes... please do... i'll add it to my master logos page, too... From djc at starkmedia.com Thu May 31 16:31:52 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Thu May 31 16:31:52 2001 Subject: [thesite] anyone to test something? Message-ID: <3B16B549.95106477@starkmedia.com> heya.. if anyone has a minute, could you run by http://members.evolt.org/newsignup.cfm and fill it out using your w.e.o username and password? in the comments field just put 'test' or something so I know its not a real application. hopefully this will replace the current form. it draws off the main DB for its info now so i don't have to check that people are evolt users first.. lemme know if any of the wording or anything is confusing or you have suggestions.. rudy, i was thinking about the possibility of putting themember column or something like that in the users field that would check people off who've become evolt members through m.e.o - would that be fly with you? .djc. From r937 at interlog.com Thu May 31 16:46:22 2001 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Thu May 31 16:46:22 2001 Subject: [thesite] anyone to test something? Message-ID: <01c0ea1b$1f75bc00$c150149a@rudy> > rudy, i was thinking about the possibility of putting themember column > or something like that in the users field that would check people off > who've become evolt members through m.e.o - would that be fly with you? hi dan anything to smooth the way towards one universal user table =o) yeah, for the time being, that column sounds fine you *are* still planning in integrating user tables, right? what about list subscriptions, are they still in a flat file? rudy From djc at starkmedia.com Thu May 31 16:50:22 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Thu May 31 16:50:22 2001 Subject: [thesite] anyone to test something? References: <01c0ea1b$1f75bc00$c150149a@rudy> Message-ID: <3B16B99F.3EE67478@starkmedia.com> rudy wrote: > > > rudy, i was thinking about the possibility of putting themember column > > or something like that in the users field that would check people off > > who've become evolt members through m.e.o - would that be fly with you? > > hi dan > > anything to smooth the way towards one universal user table =o) oh ya :) > yeah, for the time being, that column sounds fine oky > you *are* still planning in integrating user tables, right? yup, this is step one, getting all new users into one table > what about list subscriptions, are they still in a flat file? ya, thats gonna have to stick as a flat file sadly :( hopefully though, it will be the only one that isn't in oracle .djc. From djc at starkmedia.com Thu May 31 16:50:37 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Thu May 31 16:50:37 2001 Subject: [thesite] [Fwd: [Admin] more downtime tonite..] Message-ID: <3B16B9AD.C059DA6F@starkmedia.com> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Admin] more downtime tonite.. Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 16:36:26 -0500 From: "Daniel J. Cody" Reply-To: admin at lists.evolt.org To: admin at lists.evolt.org i need another quick reboot on weo tonite to drop in more RAM and a new CPU.. 5 minutes tops right around 5:20-5:30 CST hopefully the last one for a long time :) .djc. ___________________________________________________ Watch out for speeding buses on your bikeride, and remember to wear black!!! From michele at wordpro.on.ca Thu May 31 17:00:23 2001 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Thu May 31 17:00:23 2001 Subject: [thesite] anyone to test something? References: <3B16B549.95106477@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <005a01c0ea1d$12e19a20$161e9ad8@mef> Seemed to work fine Dan ... one minor change, I'd like POP3 access to my members.evolt.org account. (Default is to forward to the above email address) Delete (or modify) the last sentence. No request to put in email address on that page anymore. You can synch me if ya want .. username is the same .. just the pw is dif. Michele ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel J. Cody" | | http://members.evolt.org/newsignup.cfm | | and fill it out using your w.e.o username and password? in the comments | field just put 'test' or something so I know its not a real application. | From ronwhite at members.evolt.org Thu May 31 17:05:02 2001 From: ronwhite at members.evolt.org (Ron White) Date: Thu May 31 17:05:02 2001 Subject: [thesite] anyone to test something? In-Reply-To: <3B16B549.95106477@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: On register me: A runtime Error has occurred: Line 218 Error:'this.email.value' is null or not an object. Thanks, Ron White -----Original Message----- From: thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Daniel J. Cody Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 5:19 PM To: thesite at lists.evolt.org Subject: [thesite] anyone to test something? heya.. if anyone has a minute, could you run by http://members.evolt.org/newsignup.cfm and fill it out using your w.e.o username and password? in the comments field just put 'test' or something so I know its not a real application. hopefully this will replace the current form. it draws off the main DB for its info now so i don't have to check that people are evolt users first.. lemme know if any of the wording or anything is confusing or you have suggestions.. rudy, i was thinking about the possibility of putting themember column or something like that in the users field that would check people off who've become evolt members through m.e.o - would that be fly with you? .djc. _______________________________________________ http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/ and new & improved kentucky fried old archives: http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/ From ronwhite at members.evolt.org Thu May 31 17:06:07 2001 From: ronwhite at members.evolt.org (Ron White) Date: Thu May 31 17:06:07 2001 Subject: [thesite] anyone to test something? In-Reply-To: <3B16B549.95106477@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: Also if I'm supposed to use my m.e.o address as the username it don't fit: ronwhite at members.evolt.or was all I could get in... Thanks, Ron White -----Original Message----- From: thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Daniel J. Cody Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 5:19 PM To: thesite at lists.evolt.org Subject: [thesite] anyone to test something? heya.. if anyone has a minute, could you run by http://members.evolt.org/newsignup.cfm and fill it out using your w.e.o username and password? in the comments field just put 'test' or something so I know its not a real application. hopefully this will replace the current form. it draws off the main DB for its info now so i don't have to check that people are evolt users first.. lemme know if any of the wording or anything is confusing or you have suggestions.. rudy, i was thinking about the possibility of putting themember column or something like that in the users field that would check people off who've become evolt members through m.e.o - would that be fly with you? .djc. _______________________________________________ http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/ and new & improved kentucky fried old archives: http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/ From djc at starkmedia.com Thu May 31 17:17:57 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Thu May 31 17:17:57 2001 Subject: [thesite] anyone to test something? References: Message-ID: <3B16C00F.BA00681A@starkmedia.com> oopsie, try it again :) Ron White wrote: > > On register me: A runtime Error has occurred: > Line 218 > Error:'this.email.value' is null or not an object. > > Thanks, > Ron White > > -----Original Message----- > From: thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org > [mailto:thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Daniel J. Cody > Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 5:19 PM > To: thesite at lists.evolt.org > Subject: [thesite] anyone to test something? > > heya.. if anyone has a minute, could you run by > > http://members.evolt.org/newsignup.cfm > > and fill it out using your w.e.o username and password? in the comments > field just put 'test' or something so I know its not a real application. > > hopefully this will replace the current form. it draws off the main DB > for its info now so i don't have to check that people are evolt users > first.. lemme know if any of the wording or anything is confusing or you > have suggestions.. > > rudy, i was thinking about the possibility of putting themember column > or something like that in the users field that would check people off > who've become evolt members through m.e.o - would that be fly with you? > > .djc. > > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/ > and new & improved kentucky fried old archives: > http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/ > > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/ > and new & improved kentucky fried old archives: > http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/ From djc at starkmedia.com Thu May 31 17:18:22 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Thu May 31 17:18:22 2001 Subject: [thesite] anyone to test something? References: Message-ID: <3B16C02B.809F33AB@starkmedia.com> you're supposed to use your www.evolt.org username actually.. but ya, i'll make that longer Ron White wrote: > > Also if I'm supposed to use my m.e.o address as the username it don't fit: > ronwhite at members.evolt.or was all I could get in... From djc at starkmedia.com Thu May 31 17:19:02 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Thu May 31 17:19:02 2001 Subject: [thesite] anyone to test something? References: <3B16B549.95106477@starkmedia.com> <005a01c0ea1d$12e19a20$161e9ad8@mef> Message-ID: <3B16C04F.3AAE5D96@starkmedia.com> k, got it.. thanks :) .djc. Michele Foster wrote: > > Seemed to work fine Dan ... > > one minor change, > > I'd like POP3 access to my members.evolt.org account. > (Default is to forward to the above email address) > > Delete (or modify) the last sentence. No request to put in email address on > that page anymore. > > You can synch me if ya want .. username is the same .. just the pw is dif. > > Michele > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Daniel J. Cody" > | > | http://members.evolt.org/newsignup.cfm > | > | and fill it out using your w.e.o username and password? in the comments > | field just put 'test' or something so I know its not a real application. > | > > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/ > and new & improved kentucky fried old archives: > http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/ From judi at frognet.net Thu May 31 17:25:07 2001 From: judi at frognet.net (Judith Taylor) Date: Thu May 31 17:25:07 2001 Subject: [thesite] anyone to test something? In-Reply-To: <3B16C04F.3AAE5D96@starkmedia.com> References: <3B16B549.95106477@starkmedia.com> <005a01c0ea1d$12e19a20$161e9ad8@mef> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010531182211.00a3b0a0@mail.frognet.net> Is there any reason why you have it going to the page about reading the terms of service *after* submitting the acct request? Or are you setting a var that gets carried over to the newsignup.cfm page and passed through? Daniel J. Cody put into words: > http://members.evolt.org/newsignup.cfm > > and fill it out using your w.e.o username and password? in the comments > field just put 'test' or something so I know its not a real application. Judith Taylor ICQ: 67460562 Freelance ColdFusion Developer - Athens, OH Friends don't let friends code before coffee. From djc at starkmedia.com Thu May 31 17:27:52 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Thu May 31 17:27:52 2001 Subject: [thesite] anyone to test something? References: <3B16B549.95106477@starkmedia.com> <005a01c0ea1d$12e19a20$161e9ad8@mef> <5.1.0.14.2.20010531182211.00a3b0a0@mail.frognet.net> Message-ID: <3B16C25E.DC469390@starkmedia.com> Judith Taylor wrote: > > Is there any reason why you have it going to the page about reading the > terms of service *after* submitting the acct request? umm. no :) I'll change that to something more relevant > Or are you setting a var that gets carried over to the newsignup.cfm page > and passed through? actually on the 'real' page - and this one once its done testing - I have a Daniel J. Cody put into words: > > > http://members.evolt.org/newsignup.cfm > > > > and fill it out using your w.e.o username and password? in the comments > > field just put 'test' or something so I know its not a real application. From joshua at alphashop.net Thu May 31 17:31:22 2001 From: joshua at alphashop.net (Joshua OIson) Date: Thu May 31 17:31:22 2001 Subject: [thesite] anyone to test something? References: <3B16B549.95106477@starkmedia.com> <005a01c0ea1d$12e19a20$161e9ad8@mef> <5.1.0.14.2.20010531182211.00a3b0a0@mail.frognet.net> <3B16C25E.DC469390@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <06bd01c0ea21$ba09d200$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> Dan, remember that the "referrer" cgi variable does not work 100% of the time as not all browsers send it. It may be possible to pass something via the URL that would indicate that they didn't skip the TOS, or put a form on the TOS and pass in the variable by hidden fields or something. It's not perfect, but it will keep casual users from skipping it. -joshua ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel J. Cody" Subject: Re: [thesite] anyone to test something? : actually on the 'real' page - and this one once its done testing - I : have a <005a01c0ea1d$12e19a20$161e9ad8@mef> <5.1.0.14.2.20010531182211.00a3b0a0@mail.frognet.net> <3B16C25E.DC469390@starkmedia.com> <06bd01c0ea21$ba09d200$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> Message-ID: <3B16C394.A66044BF@starkmedia.com> ya, i realized it wasn't 100%, put if someone goes through all that trouble just to skip the TOS, rock on.. rock on, but get a life :) thanks though Joshua OIson wrote: > > Dan, > > remember that the "referrer" cgi variable does not work 100% of the time as > not all browsers send it. It may be possible to pass something via the URL > that would indicate that they didn't skip the TOS, or put a form on the TOS > and pass in the variable by hidden fields or something. It's not perfect, > but it will keep casual users from skipping it. From mwarden at odyssey-design.com Thu May 31 17:38:53 2001 From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Thu May 31 17:38:53 2001 Subject: [thesite] anyone to test something? References: <3B16B549.95106477@starkmedia.com> <005a01c0ea1d$12e19a20$161e9ad8@mef> <5.1.0.14.2.20010531182211.00a3b0a0@mail.frognet.net> <3B16C25E.DC469390@starkmedia.com> <06bd01c0ea21$ba09d200$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> <3B16C394.A66044BF@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <021c01c0ea22$7b3bacf0$9865fea9@patk3mzsmhxpqb> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Well, I think what he's saying is that you should check for the last page, and also [no value] in case the browser doesn't send that header. ya know? - -- mattwarden mattwarden.com > From: "Daniel J. Cody" > Subject: Re: [thesite] anyone to test something? > > ya, i realized it wasn't 100%, put if someone goes through all that > trouble just to skip the TOS, rock on.. rock on, but get a life :) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOxbH/ngH0dUmEhrcEQKBEgCgq4bWBL4roEWFn9Lbt8VApmADEPQAnR8a PWUHxipCTREraceHL/nL1gqW =L5l4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From joshua at alphashop.net Thu May 31 17:43:08 2001 From: joshua at alphashop.net (Joshua OIson) Date: Thu May 31 17:43:08 2001 Subject: [thesite] anyone to test something? References: <3B16B549.95106477@starkmedia.com> <005a01c0ea1d$12e19a20$161e9ad8@mef> <5.1.0.14.2.20010531182211.00a3b0a0@mail.frognet.net> <3B16C25E.DC469390@starkmedia.com> <06bd01c0ea21$ba09d200$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> <3B16C394.A66044BF@starkmedia.com> <021c01c0ea22$7b3bacf0$9865fea9@patk3mzsmhxpqb> Message-ID: <06d101c0ea23$63ade6b0$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> Hmmm, or maybe just forget checking referrer at all. On the TOS page, just encrypt the date, send it in the URL or via a form field, then decrypt it on the next page. If the date is okay and is today, then you know where they came from, otherwise redirect them back to the TOS page. If you just use the referrer, some people may NEVER get through. That's it. -joshua ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warden, Matt" Subject: Re: [thesite] anyone to test something? : -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- : Hash: SHA1 : : Well, I think what he's saying is that you should check for the last : page, and also [no value] in case the browser doesn't send that : header. : : ya know? : : : - -- : mattwarden : mattwarden.com From michele at wordpro.on.ca Thu May 31 17:52:23 2001 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Thu May 31 17:52:23 2001 Subject: Logging in and Joining ... was ... Re: [thesite] anyone to test something? References: <3B16B549.95106477@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <009101c0ea24$57322440$161e9ad8@mef> Dan, I just thought of something... I was already logged in when I requested an meo account. Doesn't it remember my ID from weo site? Will it? or could it? It knew my password, obviously, cos I received an email confirmation. And, I tried to sign up as JoeTheCluelessUser and received an error, understandly, since he doesn't exist (YET ). The "Join" is in the top bar ... so, now I'm wondering am I joining meo or Evolt (i.e. weo) [in reality, the page is a dead link atm]? I really think the top menu options have got to be consistent across all the sites (i.e. Join really shouldn't appear if I'm already logged in should it?). But, is that something we can do now that we have the db's and boxes in the same place? Or is it just wishful thinking? More than ya asked for .. just some additional thoughts. Michele ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel J. Cody" | heya.. if anyone has a minute, could you run by | | http://members.evolt.org/newsignup.cfm | | and fill it out using your w.e.o username and password? in the comments | field just put 'test' or something so I know its not a real application. | From michele at wordpro.on.ca Thu May 31 17:55:53 2001 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Thu May 31 17:55:53 2001 Subject: Logging in and Joining ... was ... Re: [thesite] anyone to test something? References: <3B16B549.95106477@starkmedia.com> <009101c0ea24$57322440$161e9ad8@mef> Message-ID: <00a201c0ea24$d62efde0$161e9ad8@mef> sorry, it knew my EMAIL, obviously, cos I received an email confirmation. duh! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michele Foster" It knew my password, obviously, cos I received an email confirmation. From judi at frognet.net Thu May 31 17:58:13 2001 From: judi at frognet.net (Judith Taylor) Date: Thu May 31 17:58:13 2001 Subject: [thesite] anyone to test something? In-Reply-To: <06d101c0ea23$63ade6b0$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> References: <3B16B549.95106477@starkmedia.com> <005a01c0ea1d$12e19a20$161e9ad8@mef> <5.1.0.14.2.20010531182211.00a3b0a0@mail.frognet.net> <3B16C25E.DC469390@starkmedia.com> <06bd01c0ea21$ba09d200$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> <3B16C394.A66044BF@starkmedia.com> <021c01c0ea22$7b3bacf0$9865fea9@patk3mzsmhxpqb> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010531185613.00a42020@mail.frognet.net> Or, here's another thought...go ahead and set a var on the TOS page, pass it through and check for its existence..if it doesn't exist, throw them to the TOS page *then* let them get to the application....or something like that. :o) Judith Joshua OIson put into words: >Hmmm, or maybe just forget checking referrer at all. On the TOS page, just >encrypt the date, send it in the URL or via a form field, then decrypt it on >the next page. If the date is okay and is today, then you know where they >came from, otherwise redirect them back to the TOS page. If you just use >the referrer, some people may NEVER get through. Judith Taylor ICQ: 67460562 Freelance ColdFusion Developer - Athens, OH Friends don't let friends code before coffee. From joshua at alphashop.net Thu May 31 18:00:49 2001 From: joshua at alphashop.net (Joshua OIson) Date: Thu May 31 18:00:49 2001 Subject: [thesite] anyone to test something? References: <3B16B549.95106477@starkmedia.com> <005a01c0ea1d$12e19a20$161e9ad8@mef> <5.1.0.14.2.20010531182211.00a3b0a0@mail.frognet.net> <3B16C25E.DC469390@starkmedia.com> <06bd01c0ea21$ba09d200$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> <3B16C394.A66044BF@starkmedia.com> <021c01c0ea22$7b3bacf0$9865fea9@patk3mzsmhxpqb> <5.1.0.14.2.20010531185613.00a42020@mail.frognet.net> Message-ID: <06ff01c0ea25$d7e45990$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> Need a cfoutput around the tabs at the top, if it hasn't been mentioned already. btw, tabs = Join |Browsers | Lists | Tips | Members | FAQ | Submit | Contact -joshua From joshua at alphashop.net Thu May 31 18:01:48 2001 From: joshua at alphashop.net (Joshua OIson) Date: Thu May 31 18:01:48 2001 Subject: [thesite] anyone to test something? References: <3B16B549.95106477@starkmedia.com> <005a01c0ea1d$12e19a20$161e9ad8@mef> <5.1.0.14.2.20010531182211.00a3b0a0@mail.frognet.net> <3B16C25E.DC469390@starkmedia.com> <06bd01c0ea21$ba09d200$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> <3B16C394.A66044BF@starkmedia.com> <021c01c0ea22$7b3bacf0$9865fea9@patk3mzsmhxpqb> <5.1.0.14.2.20010531185613.00a42020@mail.frognet.net> Message-ID: <070301c0ea25$febcf5e0$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> We may be saying the same thing, maybe. -joshua ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judith Taylor" To: Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 6:58 PM Subject: Re: [thesite] anyone to test something? : Or, here's another thought...go ahead and set a var on the TOS page, pass : it through and check for its existence..if it doesn't exist, throw them to : the TOS page *then* let them get to the application....or something like : that. :o) : : Judith : : Joshua OIson put into words: : >Hmmm, or maybe just forget checking referrer at all. On the TOS page, just : >encrypt the date, send it in the URL or via a form field, then decrypt it on : >the next page. If the date is okay and is today, then you know where they : >came from, otherwise redirect them back to the TOS page. If you just use : >the referrer, some people may NEVER get through. From judi at frognet.net Thu May 31 18:04:18 2001 From: judi at frognet.net (Judith Taylor) Date: Thu May 31 18:04:18 2001 Subject: [thesite] anyone to test something? In-Reply-To: <070301c0ea25$febcf5e0$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> References: <3B16B549.95106477@starkmedia.com> <005a01c0ea1d$12e19a20$161e9ad8@mef> <5.1.0.14.2.20010531182211.00a3b0a0@mail.frognet.net> <3B16C25E.DC469390@starkmedia.com> <06bd01c0ea21$ba09d200$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> <3B16C394.A66044BF@starkmedia.com> <021c01c0ea22$7b3bacf0$9865fea9@patk3mzsmhxpqb> <5.1.0.14.2.20010531185613.00a42020@mail.frognet.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010531190252.00a416a0@mail.frognet.net> Yeah, but I wouldn't want to rely on the date....timezone differences get really screwy with half the world being in tomorrow already. ;o) Judith Joshua OIson put into words: >We may be saying the same thing, maybe. Judith Taylor ICQ: 67460562 Freelance ColdFusion Developer - Athens, OH Friends don't let friends code before coffee. From djc at starkmedia.com Thu May 31 18:05:38 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Thu May 31 18:05:38 2001 Subject: [thesite] Re: [Admin] more downtime tonite.. References: <3B16B95A.8F7CE7F9@starkmedia.com> Message-ID: <3B16CB36.ED10F116@starkmedia.com> alls well. we're 150Mhz faster and 256Mb stronger bbl "Daniel J. Cody" wrote: > > i need another quick reboot on weo tonite to drop in more RAM and a new > CPU.. 5 minutes tops right around 5:20-5:30 CST > > hopefully the last one for a long time :) > > .djc. > > ___________________________________________________ > Watch out for speeding buses on your bikeride, and > remember to wear black!!! From joshua at alphashop.net Thu May 31 18:10:33 2001 From: joshua at alphashop.net (Joshua OIson) Date: Thu May 31 18:10:33 2001 Subject: [thesite] anyone to test something? References: <3B16B549.95106477@starkmedia.com> <005a01c0ea1d$12e19a20$161e9ad8@mef> <5.1.0.14.2.20010531182211.00a3b0a0@mail.frognet.net> <3B16C25E.DC469390@starkmedia.com> <06bd01c0ea21$ba09d200$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> <3B16C394.A66044BF@starkmedia.com> <021c01c0ea22$7b3bacf0$9865fea9@patk3mzsmhxpqb> <5.1.0.14.2.20010531185613.00a42020@mail.frognet.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20010531190252.00a416a0@mail.frognet.net> Message-ID: <071501c0ea27$37be33d0$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> ? We are only talking about the server's timezone. The point is not that the date specifically be encoded, the point is to encode or pass something that is not likely to be "thought" of. The date was convenient because it changes, so bookmarks will "expire". Anyways, Dan's point makes sense. If they want to break the system, so be it, since it's not going to break anything important. The idea is to keep honest people honest. However, if the TOS is to be legally binding, then we'd want to be *very* sure they read it. -joshua ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judith Taylor" To: Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [thesite] anyone to test something? : Yeah, but I wouldn't want to rely on the date....timezone differences get : really screwy with half the world being in tomorrow already. ;o) : : Judith From michele at wordpro.on.ca Thu May 31 18:10:38 2001 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Thu May 31 18:10:38 2001 Subject: [thesite] evolt: transparent image References: <200105312100.f4VL0mL30367@leo.evolt.org> Message-ID: <00bd01c0ea26$e3c3f120$161e9ad8@mef> Adrian, add this to the FAQ page too then? So we'll have two that are aliases, one black lettering one white? And, you want to add a link on that FAQ to your page? Your call ... Thanks, Michele ----- Original Message ----- From: "aardvark" | > | > http://members.evolt.org/djc/stdio/images/logo_aliased.gif | > | > if so, i can drop it in the images folder on the main site | | yes... please do... | | i'll add it to my master logos page, too... From judi at frognet.net Thu May 31 18:15:23 2001 From: judi at frognet.net (Judith Taylor) Date: Thu May 31 18:15:23 2001 Subject: [thesite] anyone to test something? In-Reply-To: <071501c0ea27$37be33d0$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> References: <3B16B549.95106477@starkmedia.com> <005a01c0ea1d$12e19a20$161e9ad8@mef> <5.1.0.14.2.20010531182211.00a3b0a0@mail.frognet.net> <3B16C25E.DC469390@starkmedia.com> <06bd01c0ea21$ba09d200$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> <3B16C394.A66044BF@starkmedia.com> <021c01c0ea22$7b3bacf0$9865fea9@patk3mzsmhxpqb> <5.1.0.14.2.20010531185613.00a42020@mail.frognet.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20010531190252.00a416a0@mail.frognet.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010531191426.00a40020@mail.frognet.net> duh...a blonde moment...forgive me....*shakes head in amazement* *sigh* It's been a long week.... Judith Joshua OIson put into words: >? We are only talking about the server's timezone. > >The point is not that the date specifically be encoded, the point is to >encode or pass something that is not likely to be "thought" of. The date >was convenient because it changes, so bookmarks will "expire". > >Anyways, Dan's point makes sense. If they want to break the system, so be >it, since it's not going to break anything important. The idea is to keep >honest people honest. > >However, if the TOS is to be legally binding, then we'd want to be *very* >sure they read it. Judith Taylor ICQ: 67460562 Freelance ColdFusion Developer - Athens, OH Friends don't let friends code before coffee. From r937 at interlog.com Thu May 31 18:40:53 2001 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Thu May 31 18:40:53 2001 Subject: [thesite] Fw: Someone is talking... Message-ID: <01c0ea2b$1e72b0a0$c150149a@rudy> well, i've had a look at the code (thanks dan) and it's not as simple as adding a DISTINCT, there's already a DISTINCT in there there are actually *two* queries, one pulls out the author of the article and sends an email, and the other pulls out the distiinct people who commented, and sends them an email (they should really be two differently worded emails, but they look identical) the two queries could be combined into one using a UNION, which would be more efficient to boot, but you know what? i'm not gonna touch it, because i have way too much experience in the school of hard knocks i know if i touch these queries then something in the code around them is bound to break... sorry to be a such wuss, but it's an old rule of thumb in programming -- you weight the benefit of fixing something against the inevitable pain of breaking something unrelated so authors who also comment on their own articles are just gonna have to keep putting up with getting two "someone is talking" emails... rudy From jeff at members.evolt.org Thu May 31 19:39:24 2001 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (jeff) Date: Thu May 31 19:39:24 2001 Subject: [thesite] anyone to test something? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010531190252.00a416a0@mail.frognet.net> Message-ID: judith, :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : From: Judith Taylor : : Yeah, but I wouldn't want to rely on the date : ....timezone differences get really screwy with : half the world being in tomorrow already. ;o) :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ that's not an issue as the date is coming from the server. .jeff name://jeff.howden game://web.development http://www.evolt.org/ mailto:jeff at members.evolt.org From mwarden at odyssey-design.com Thu May 31 20:01:15 2001 From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Thu May 31 20:01:15 2001 Subject: [thesite] Fw: Someone is talking... References: <01c0ea2b$1e72b0a0$c150149a@rudy> Message-ID: <02b001c0ea36$5be064e0$9865fea9@patk3mzsmhxpqb> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > From: "rudy" > Subject: Re: [thesite] Fw: Someone is talking... > > i know if i touch these queries then something in the code around > them is bound to break... sorry to be a such wuss, but it's an old > rule of thumb in programming -- you weight the benefit of fixing > something against the inevitable pain of breaking something > unrelated You'd lose the ability to change the wording for the author's email as well. > so authors who also comment on their own articles are just gonna > have to keep putting up with getting two "someone is talking" > emails... Ok, I haven't seen this code and I'll root through all the files and eventually find it. But, I'm assuming that the replies and user tables are already joined in the query (I'd think they'd have to be). If we wanna avoid this double-email (which, as I've realized from my latest article, is really quite annoying, I must say), could we not simply join content as well and add a where clause to the "replies" query (as opposed to the author query) the effect of " and not content.userid=user.userid"? Just throwing that out there. I dont really know how much of a performance hit that entails and a big part of me assumes that if this was a good idea, the SQLGod(tm) would have mentioned it. So, this is just in case. Word on the street is he had quite a few beers last night. - -- mattwarden mattwarden.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA+AwUBOxbpV3gH0dUmEhrcEQISVQCYlV6YVthCe6swTIoQmlV4A1RxAACgyY97 30Z+oO5Crp0i8RvFXEYau2E= =YdF5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From r937 at interlog.com Thu May 31 20:11:39 2001 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Thu May 31 20:11:39 2001 Subject: [thesite] Fw: Someone is talking... Message-ID: <01c0ea37$bb478020$c150149a@rudy> >Just throwing that out there. I dont really know how much of a >performance hit that entails and a big part of me assumes that if >this was a good idea, the SQLGod(tm) would have mentioned it. hi matt okay, that's enough, a little flattery is nice but let's not get carried away, eh? i did mention a UNION as the best way to simplify things the first query grabs the author, the second query grabs the DISTINCT commenters, and UNION (note: not UNION ALL) takes care of removing the doubles where the author is also a commenter >So, this is just in case. Word on the street is he had quite a few >beers last night. yes, i did a buddy from the WD list here in toronto joined us in our weekly game of frisbee golf -- he got a hole in one on 11, but i beat him by six strokes, i was nine under for the back nine =o) rudy From mwarden at odyssey-design.com Thu May 31 20:17:04 2001 From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Thu May 31 20:17:04 2001 Subject: [thesite] Fw: Someone is talking... References: <01c0ea37$bb478020$c150149a@rudy> Message-ID: <02c001c0ea38$94fd4bb0$9865fea9@patk3mzsmhxpqb> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > From: "rudy" > Subject: Re: [thesite] Fw: Someone is talking... > ... > > SQLGod(tm) ... > okay, that's enough, a little flattery is nice but let's not get > carried away, eh? *shrug* Ok. Since you didn't reply to my last email offlist I figured I'd suck up a bit to make sure everything was kosher. > i did mention a UNION as the best way to simplify things > > the first query grabs the author, the second query grabs the > DISTINCT commenters, and UNION (note: not UNION ALL) takes care of > removing the doubles where the author is also a commenter Yup. And I mentioned that if you make this one query you lose the ability to make the author's email different than someone who just commented on an article. Plus, adding a where clause would be less prone to fux0ring the surrounding code, no? - -- mattwarden mattwarden.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOxbtEngH0dUmEhrcEQJ7GgCfWdPZepDmtzhawAVNOsezy49bEFIAoNfa zb3X5KJpaCAzdZvzCaQIxCi0 =fiwu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From r937 at interlog.com Thu May 31 21:00:33 2001 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Thu May 31 21:00:33 2001 Subject: [thesite] Fw: Someone is talking... Message-ID: <01c0ea3e$6a707240$c150149a@rudy> > And I mentioned that if you make this one query you lose > the ability to make the author's email different than someone > who just commented on an article. um, not unless you use a clever CFIF =o) here are the two queries -- SELECT users.userid, users.email, users.notify, users.firstname FROM users WHERE users.userid = #Val(form.bid)# SELECT DISTINCT users.userid, users.email, users.notify, users.firstname, replies.contentid, replies.userid FROM users, replies WHERE users.userid = replies.userid AND replies.contentid = #Val(form.aid)# AND users.userid != #Val(form.uid)# note that in the second query, the user who is making the comment is excluded (neat) having looked at the query a little closer, i can see that we won't be needing UNION (which involves a sort) and can instead use UNION ALL here's the combined query -- SELECT users.userid, users.email, users.notify, users.firstname, 0 as contentid, 0 as commenter FROM users WHERE users.userid = #Val(form.bid)# UNION ALL SELECT DISTINCT users.userid, users.email, users.notify, users.firstname, replies.contentid, replies.userid FROM users, replies WHERE users.userid = replies.userid AND replies.contentid = #Val(form.aid)# AND users.userid != #Val(form.uid)# AND users.userid != #Val(form.bid)# the 2nd subselect now conveniently excludes the author (last line) i suppose this means we can also just insert this one line to fix the original problem, eh? but where's the fun in that? =o) okay, carrying on... note that UNIONs demand the same number and datatype of columns in each subselect, hence the addition of two extra columns in the first query, conveniently set to 0 now, when sending the mail, you can detect the author by those same 0's!! #session.user.name# has commented on an article you wrote you commented on a couple observations about the original 2nd query -- can't figure out why the contentid is being returned, it's not needed -- it is in the where clause, but that doesn't mean it has to be selected also, watch out for two identically named columns in the select list, i'm surprised CF lets you get away with that, because how would you cfoutput the 2nd occurrence of userid? rudy