From djc at starkmedia.com Tue May 1 00:17:16 2001
From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody)
Date: Tue May 1 00:17:16 2001
Subject: [thesite] [Admin] oracle again..
Message-ID: <3AEE6450.6090605@starkmedia.com>
er. test.evolt.org is up and running.. *now* i'm going to bed :)
Daniel J. Cody wrote:
its finally talking to CF..
i'm going to bed though.. i'll set up all the datasources for you guys
tomorrow
___________________________________________________
Once I had a little game I like to call back in my brain. I think you
know the game I mean, I mean the game called go insane.
From djc at starkmedia.com Tue May 1 09:45:52 2001
From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody)
Date: Tue May 1 09:45:52 2001
Subject: [thesite] April stats for evolt..
Message-ID: <3AEECB98.C9BB6F9C@starkmedia.com>
fresh from the oven..
http://browsers.evolt.org/stats/stats.apr2001.html
quickie findings:
274,596 *page* views
1,401,671 hits
41.413 Gbytes transferred
and the big one, IMHO:
75,303 distinct hosts servered.
errata:
the 'hits' numbers are a big skewed because some of the m.e.o accounts
have about 200 images per page(those that had vbulliten notably)
however, i dont think the m.e.o accounts really affected our stats other
than that.. they only accounted for about 15-20K page views in all, and
about 5 GB of that data transferred(warez kiddies)
google powered search engines sent over 125K referers our way last
month. we're ranking close to(if not) #1 for a lot of search terms
now(content management system for one) which is really cool.. we should
*really* send the google engineers some t-shirts :)
'dreamweaver templates' and 'javascript redirect' were the two most
popular search terms..
All in all, the growth continues.. Maybe if i get bored I'll do some
projections :)
.djc.
From mwarden at mattwarden.com Thu May 3 15:19:05 2001
From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Matt)
Date: Thu May 3 15:19:05 2001
Subject: [thesite] comments
Message-ID: <3AF1BCFE.003DFF.00402@baldrick.anytimenow.com>
Ok, the anchor added to the URL that the client is
redirected to after submitting a comment is wrong. It
looks like this:
http://evolt.org/article/view/cid/aid/index.html#comment
I can think of two possibilities here. Either:
1. It's just a typo and it was supposed to be #comments
2. It is supposed to include the commentid of the just-
submitted comment and it should look like:
#comment10214, but for some reason the ID ain't
gettin' thar.
dig? looks like a quick fix, especially if the first
is the situation.
--
mattwarden
mattwarden.com
From r937 at interlog.com Fri May 4 18:35:26 2001
From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy)
Date: Fri May 4 18:35:26 2001
Subject: [thesite] question for whoever coded the logout process
Message-ID: <01c0d4f0$c4c8afe0$d351149a@rudy>
regarding this url --
http://evolt.org/logout/index.html?http_referer=section%3Darticle%26subsect
i
on%3Dview%26params%3D20%2C2321&cfid=614457&cftoken=23500070
this is the url of the page i ended up on after logging out, or at least
that's what i assume it is, after noticing it in my history file
(don't ask me why i logged out, i just did)
so i'm guessing this is the url that the logout link "sends you to" (the
target of the form action)
to log somebody out, don't you just delete their session id based on
looking it up using cfid and cftoken? at least that's what i remember from
session ids, although i'm not too clear on how they are looked up or
deleted
what's the purpose of the referer?
is this being logged somewhere for analysis purposes? (curious as to what
difference it would make knowing that)
is it maybe vetted against the last page the user requested? (interesting
security feature)
is it used to re-direct them back to the page that requested the logout?
(why not send them to a generic "bye now" page?)
confused in canada
From mwarden at mattwarden.com Sat May 5 20:38:18 2001
From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt)
Date: Sat May 5 20:38:18 2001
Subject: [thesite] base url on t.e.o
Message-ID: <00eb01c0d5cd$1b419a30$93ac1b18@patk3mzsmhxpqb>
thesite,
Hey, the base URL on test.evolt.org is:
Causing a bit of a problem with the submission of test articles ;-)
--
mattwarden
mattwarden.com
From mwarden at odyssey-design.com Sat May 5 20:44:13 2001
From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt)
Date: Sat May 5 20:44:13 2001
Subject: [thesite] base url on t.e.o
References: <00eb01c0d5cd$1b419a30$93ac1b18@patk3mzsmhxpqb>
Message-ID: <00fb01c0d5cd$ee84dab0$93ac1b18@patk3mzsmhxpqb>
bah! scratch this...
The problem is that the 'Submit' URL in the header changes the URL to
http://evolt.org/...
--
mattwarden
mattwarden.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Warden, Matt"
To:
Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2001 9:37 PM
Subject: [thesite] base url on t.e.o
> thesite,
>
> Hey, the base URL on test.evolt.org is:
>
>
>
> Causing a bit of a problem with the submission of test articles ;-)
>
>
>
> --
> mattwarden
> mattwarden.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/
> and new & improved kentucky fried old archives:
> http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/
>
From djc at starkmedia.com Wed May 9 13:08:41 2001
From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody)
Date: Wed May 9 13:08:41 2001
Subject: [thesite] logins with ns4
Message-ID: <3AF9873B.F00595AB@starkmedia.com>
does anyone else get an error after checking the 'remember me' box in
NS4?
just wondering..
From djc at members.evolt.org Mon May 14 16:22:47 2001
From: djc at members.evolt.org (Daniel J. Cody)
Date: Mon May 14 16:22:47 2001
Subject: [thesite] new weo server up and running..
Message-ID: <3B004C56.F8B7503D@members.evolt.org>
http://weo.evolt.org
its running a snapshot of the code from saturday, the data is about a
week old..
it may be a bit slow cus i dont have all the memory in there yet, but
its mostly good to go.
ifanyoneisinterested, this is a brand new server that we put together,
again from contributions(a huge one by bob, yay!). this is probably the
fastest box, all around, that i've ever configd..
in keeping with history, we're running some cutting edge software on
this box.. linux 2.4.4 with the XFS 1.0 release for starters. XFS really
kicks ass(its been getting a lot of attention on slashdot lately) for
reasons i wont bore you with here :) also, the linux 2.4.4 kernel is a
*ton* faster than the old 2.2 kernels, especially for webserving. once
cf5 rolls, i'd like to get a copy of that up there as well since that is
supposed to increase performance on linux upto 300%.. 5.4ms seek time
drives, shitload of RAM(soon) and a nice fast CPU & mobo all make for a
kick ass new webserver :)
so, slam it around a bit and try to slow it down.. tomorrow i'll
probably be dropping the rest of my RAM in it - so if you notice
anything *really* slow, it could be that, but let me know..
if all goes well, i'd like to switch everything over on wednesday night.
and finally drop oracular..
so, give it a whirl and lets break it in.. thanks :)
.djc.
From djc at members.evolt.org Mon May 14 17:38:36 2001
From: djc at members.evolt.org (Daniel J. Cody)
Date: Mon May 14 17:38:36 2001
Subject: [thesite] [Fwd: [Admin] new weo server up and running..]
Message-ID: <3B005E19.7B8D4C42@members.evolt.org>
lists have been wanky all day, hopefully they're fixed now.. this if for
those of you that didnt get this the first time
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [Admin] new weo server up and running..
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 16:21:26 -0500
From: "Daniel J. Cody"
Reply-To: admin at lists.evolt.org
To: admin at lists.evolt.org, thesite at lists.evolt.org
http://weo.evolt.org
its running a snapshot of the code from saturday, the data is about a
week old..
it may be a bit slow cus i dont have all the memory in there yet, but
its mostly good to go.
ifanyoneisinterested, this is a brand new server that we put together,
again from contributions(a huge one by bob, yay!). this is probably the
fastest box, all around, that i've ever configd..
in keeping with history, we're running some cutting edge software on
this box.. linux 2.4.4 with the XFS 1.0 release for starters. XFS really
kicks ass(its been getting a lot of attention on slashdot lately) for
reasons i wont bore you with here :) also, the linux 2.4.4 kernel is a
*ton* faster than the old 2.2 kernels, especially for webserving. once
cf5 rolls, i'd like to get a copy of that up there as well since that is
supposed to increase performance on linux upto 300%.. 5.4ms seek time
drives, shitload of RAM(soon) and a nice fast CPU & mobo all make for a
kick ass new webserver :)
so, slam it around a bit and try to slow it down.. tomorrow i'll
probably be dropping the rest of my RAM in it - so if you notice
anything *really* slow, it could be that, but let me know..
if all goes well, i'd like to switch everything over on wednesday night.
and finally drop oracular..
so, give it a whirl and lets break it in.. thanks :)
.djc.
___________________________________________________
Once I had a little game I like to call back in my brain.
I think you know the game I mean, I mean the game called go insane.
From djc at members.evolt.org Tue May 15 10:07:54 2001
From: djc at members.evolt.org (Daniel J. Cody)
Date: Tue May 15 10:07:54 2001
Subject: [thesite] anyone got a bit of time?
Message-ID: <3B0145FA.34AA0C0E@members.evolt.org>
heya -
anyone thats halfway decent with CF have some time to run through the
code and just insert some comments here and there? nothing big, just
making sure everything is tidy and in its place and OK for the general
public to see..
This would be a good opportunity for someone that hasn't felt
comfortable contributing anything yet to get their feet wet with the
code and help out in a 'not alot of pressure' way. :)
anyways, thanks :)
.djc.
From judi at frognet.net Tue May 15 10:29:29 2001
From: judi at frognet.net (Judith Taylor)
Date: Tue May 15 10:29:29 2001
Subject: [thesite] anyone got a bit of time?
In-Reply-To: <3B0145FA.34AA0C0E@members.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010515112818.00a3a010@mail.frognet.net>
I'd be interested.. :o)
Judith
Daniel J. Cody put into words:
>heya -
>
>anyone thats halfway decent with CF have some time to run through the
>code and just insert some comments here and there? nothing big, just
>making sure everything is tidy and in its place and OK for the general
>public to see..
>
>
>This would be a good opportunity for someone that hasn't felt
>comfortable contributing anything yet to get their feet wet with the
>code and help out in a 'not alot of pressure' way. :)
>
>
>anyways, thanks :)
Judith Taylor
ICQ: 67460562
Freelance ColdFusion Developer - Athens, OH
Friends don't let friends code before coffee.
From bobd at members.evolt.org Tue May 15 10:42:19 2001
From: bobd at members.evolt.org (Bob Davis)
Date: Tue May 15 10:42:19 2001
Subject: [thesite] anyone got a bit of time?
In-Reply-To: <3B0145FA.34AA0C0E@members.evolt.org>
Message-ID: <200105151542.f4FFg7809928@chmls06.mediaone.net>
I can do some.
It'd probably be good for me to see some CF code again...haven't really
done anything with it in a while.
bob
On Tuesday, May 15, 2001, at 11:06 AM, Daniel J. Cody wrote:
> heya -
>
> anyone thats halfway decent with CF have some time to run through the
> code and just insert some comments here and there? nothing big, just
> making sure everything is tidy and in its place and OK for the general
> public to see..
--
bob davis
bobd at members.evolt.org
From djc at starkmedia.com Tue May 15 10:47:14 2001
From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody)
Date: Tue May 15 10:47:14 2001
Subject: [thesite] anyone got a bit of time?
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010515112818.00a3a010@mail.frognet.net>
Message-ID: <3B014F32.89631486@starkmedia.com>
rock.. i'll email you and bob the passwords offlist..
anyone else is still free to join in too.. this is happening so we can
*finally* release the source for out little CMS
.djc.
Judith Taylor wrote:
>
>
> I'd be interested.. :o)
>
> Judith
>
>
>
> Daniel J. Cody put into words:
> >heya -
> >
> >anyone thats halfway decent with CF have some time to run through the
> >code and just insert some comments here and there? nothing big, just
> >making sure everything is tidy and in its place and OK for the general
> >public to see..
> >
> >
> >This would be a good opportunity for someone that hasn't felt
> >comfortable contributing anything yet to get their feet wet with the
> >code and help out in a 'not alot of pressure' way. :)
> >
> >
> >anyways, thanks :)
>
> Judith Taylor
> ICQ: 67460562
> Freelance ColdFusion Developer - Athens, OH
>
> Friends don't let friends code before coffee.
>
> _______________________________________________
> http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/
> and new & improved kentucky fried old archives:
> http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/
From djc at starkmedia.com Tue May 15 10:51:34 2001
From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody)
Date: Tue May 15 10:51:34 2001
Subject: [thesite] slashdot article today..
Message-ID: <3B015039.9E1C43E@starkmedia.com>
the author of
http://slashdot.org/articles/01/05/15/0113223.shtml
has http://www.evolt.org linked for their name(like i do :) and we've
gotten 200+ referers today from slashdot just from *that*
nothing big, but pretty cool and just something i noticed in the referer
logs today..
.djc.
From McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us Tue May 15 11:06:14 2001
From: McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us (McCreath_David)
Date: Tue May 15 11:06:14 2001
Subject: [thesite] unused files
Message-ID: <9627DBCB3063D311BC4B00902785C55F02A1276A@EXPO1>
Hey, Dan --
I've got a list of files that I think are no longer being used on the site,
based on the file structure that you gave me a few weeks back. It's not
quite done, but I could plow through it here pretty quick. Would that be
helpful or have you already deleted all the old stuff?
David
From djc at starkmedia.com Tue May 15 11:08:29 2001
From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody)
Date: Tue May 15 11:08:29 2001
Subject: [thesite] unused files
References: <9627DBCB3063D311BC4B00902785C55F02A1276A@EXPO1>
Message-ID: <3B01542E.468210C4@starkmedia.com>
already deleted alot of the directories from the old site.. that would
be nice if you could plow through t.e.o and see if everything matches up
though :)
McCreath_David wrote:
>
> Hey, Dan --
>
> I've got a list of files that I think are no longer being used on the site,
> based on the file structure that you gave me a few weeks back. It's not
> quite done, but I could plow through it here pretty quick. Would that be
> helpful or have you already deleted all the old stuff?
>
> David
>
> _______________________________________________
> http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/
> and new & improved kentucky fried old archives:
> http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/
From McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us Tue May 15 11:22:19 2001
From: McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us (McCreath_David)
Date: Tue May 15 11:22:19 2001
Subject: [thesite] unused files
Message-ID: <9627DBCB3063D311BC4B00902785C55F02A1276B@EXPO1>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Daniel J. Cody
>
>already deleted alot of the directories from the old site.. that would
>be nice if you could plow through t.e.o and see if everything
>matches up though :)
Just to make sure I'm clear, the files currently be looked at and commented
are on t.e.o? Or on the new box?
Here's the file listing that I put together for the root directory. These
are files that are no longer being used as far as I can tell. If we can get
some confirmation, either from the folks doing the commenting or the folks
who know the system better than I, then I reckon we can delete them, eh?
criteria:
1. presence of a link like this:
2. presence of tags
3. presence of this:
4. some common sense
Probably not in use
4.5.html
add.cfm
application2.cfm
applicationold2.cfm
center.cfm
checkpass.cfm
comm.cfm
community.cfm
contact.cfm
contribbox.cfm
delete.cfm
discussion.cfm
entryform.cfm
faq.cfm
front.cfm
front2.cfm
front_old.cfm
front_was.cfm
frontbak.cfm
frontold.cfm
getheaders.cfm
head_disc.gif
head_site.gif
head_soft.gif
headers.cfm
hor_divider.gif
log_small.gif
logo.gif
logout.cfm
logowt.cfm
mailart.cfm
mailuserpass.cfm
marleneart.cfm
menu.cfm
new_styles.cfm
newsearch.cfm
notes.cfm
onrequest.cfm
otherbox.bak.cfm
otherbox.cfm
post.cfm
queryoutput.cfm
regform.cfm
register.cfm
register2.cfm
search.cfm
search2.cfm
searchbox.cfm
sendart.cfm
showart.cfm
showcat.cfm
showuser.cfm
style.cfm
stylenew.cfm
stylenew2.cfm
templateforstaticpages.cfm
thankyou.cfm
top_center.gif
update.cfm
update_article.cfm
validate.cfm
ver_divider.cfm
whatevolt.cfm
whyjoin.cfm
workers_evolt.gif
Maybe in use
* change_old_links.cfm -- I think we've got the SSURLs worked out so that we
don't need this, but maybe it should stay there anyway...
* fu2a.cfm -- it looks like at some point this was used in the SSURLs, but
I'm not sure
* move_from_long_to_clob.cfm
* pageresults.cfm -- can't really tell. it looks old, but it doesn't meet
any of the criteria listed above
* uta.cfm
Not sure about xml.cfm and xml_head.cfm. If the files in the xml directory
are already in use, can these two files be deleted from the root?
David
From djc at starkmedia.com Tue May 15 11:39:54 2001
From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody)
Date: Tue May 15 11:39:54 2001
Subject: [thesite] unused files
References: <9627DBCB3063D311BC4B00902785C55F02A1276B@EXPO1>
Message-ID: <3B015B8E.B2017B47@starkmedia.com>
McCreath_David wrote:
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Daniel J. Cody
> >
> >already deleted alot of the directories from the old site.. that would
> >be nice if you could plow through t.e.o and see if everything
> >matches up though :)
>
> Just to make sure I'm clear, the files currently be looked at and commented
> are on t.e.o? Or on the new box?
ya, they're on t.e.o right now, which isn't the new box.. once we have
got everything commented and trimmed down, we can migrate it to w.e.o
> Here's the file listing that I put together for the root directory. These
> are files that are no longer being used as far as I can tell. If we can get
>
> Probably not in use
>
> 4.5.html
> add.cfm
[snip]
ok, that looks right to me
> Maybe in use
> * change_old_links.cfm -- I think we've got the SSURLs worked out so that we
> don't need this, but maybe it should stay there anyway...
> * fu2a.cfm -- it looks like at some point this was used in the SSURLs, but
> I'm not sure
> * move_from_long_to_clob.cfm
> * pageresults.cfm -- can't really tell. it looks old, but it doesn't meet
> any of the criteria listed above
> * uta.cfm
fu2a.cfm is the custom tag that does SSURLS and i know we're using the
rest(jeff, rudy and I) so we'll just hang onto those for now :)
thanks david
From jeff at members.evolt.org Tue May 15 13:38:30 2001
From: jeff at members.evolt.org (jeff)
Date: Tue May 15 13:38:30 2001
Subject: [thesite] unused files
In-Reply-To: <9627DBCB3063D311BC4B00902785C55F02A1276B@EXPO1>
Message-ID:
david,
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: From: McCreath_David
:
: Here's the file listing that I put together
: for the root directory. These are files that
: are no longer being used as far as I can tell.
: If we can get some confirmation, either from
: the folks doing the commenting or the folks
: who know the system better than I, then I
: reckon we can delete them, eh?
:
: criteria:
:
: 1. presence of a link like this:
: 2. presence of tags
: 3. presence of this:
: 4. some common sense
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
it might also be helpful to go after files in another fashion -- qualifying
them as currently used files. that way we can determine unused files in the
entire file structure and get rid of them leaving only valid, currently used
files in place. there are going to be a few files that don't match either
criteria. these are likely to live in the root directory and be used for
development purposes or are linked to directly (which we should eliminate).
criteria:
1. present in a cfinclude
2. called via cf_ notation
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: 4.5.html - unused
: add.cfm - unused
: application.cfm - unused
: application2.cfm - unused
: applicationold2.cfm - unused
: bench.cfm - unused
: bio.cfm - unused
: catmenu.cfm - unused
: center.cfm - unused
: checkpass.cfm - unused
: comm.cfm - unused
: community.cfm - unused
: contact.cfm - unused
: contribbox.cfm - unused
: dan.cfm - unused
: dantest.cfm - unused
: delete.cfm - unused
: discussion.cfm - unused
: dsp_header2.cfm - unused
: entryform.cfm - unused
: evolt oracular.apj - unused
: evolt_rdf.gif - unused
: evoltsource.apj - unused
: faq.cfm - unused
: footer.cfm - unused
: front.cfm - unused
: front2.cfm - unused
: front_old.cfm - unused
: front_was.cfm - unused
: frontbak.cfm - unused
: frontold.cfm - unused
: getheaders.cfm - unused
: head_disc.gif - unused
: head_site.gif - unused
: head_soft.gif - unused
: headers.cfm - unused
: hor_divider.gif - unused
: index.htm - unused
: index.old.cfm - unused
: index_old_005252000.cfm - unused
: index_was.cfm - unused
: indexdan.cfm - unused
: indexold.cfm - unused
: linklist.cfm - unused
: log_small.gif - unused
: login.cfm - unused
: loginbak.cfm - unused
: loginbox.cfm - unused
: logminibox.cfm - unused
: logo.gif - unused
: logout.cfm - unused
: logowt.cfm - unused
: mailart.cfm - unused
: mailuserpass.cfm - unused
: marleneart.cfm - unused
: menu.cfm - unused
: new_styles.cfm - unused
: newsearch.cfm - unused
: notes.cfm - unused
: onrequest.cfm - unused
: otherbox.bak.cfm - unused
: otherbox.cfm - unused
: post.cfm - unused
: regform.cfm - unused
: register.cfm - unused
: register2.cfm - unused
: save_styles.cfm - unused
: search.cfm - unused
: search2.cfm - unused
: searchbox.cfm - unused
: sendart.cfm - unused
: showart.cfm - unused
: showcat.cfm - unused
: showuser.cfm - unused
: style.cfm - unused
: stylenew.cfm - unused
: stylenew2.cfm - unused
: templateforstaticpages.cfm - unused
: test_queryoutput.cfm - unused
: thankyou.cfm - unused
: top_center.gif - unused
: update.cfm - unused
: update_article.cfm - unused
: validate.cfm - unused
: validate_css.html - unused
: ver_divider.cfm - unused
: whatevolt.cfm - unused
: whyjoin.cfm - unused
: workers_evolt.gif - unused
: * change_old_links.cfm - unused
: * fu2a.cfm -- - unused
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
all the files listed above can be deleted.
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: queryoutput.cfm
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
custom tag used for development
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: * move_from_long_to_clob.cfm
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
used in an attempt to migrate data in the database from one datatype to
another.
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: * pageresults.cfm
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
custom tag used on thesite to display the previous n/next n links at the
bottom of article/user listings.
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: * uta.cfm
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
used on thesite to parse the url into name/value pairs.
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: xml.cfm
: xml_head.cfm
:
: If the files in the xml directory are
: already in use, can these two files be
: deleted from the root?
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
i believe they may be used in some fashion. however, the files in the xml
directory *should* be the ones used and these should be deleted in addition
to the two following files:
rdf.cfm
rdf_head.cfm
the following files are currently in use in the root:
add_synopsis.cfm
app_404.cfm
app_article.cfm
app_chooser.cfm
app_comment.cfm
app_contact.cfm
app_faq.cfm
app_jeff.cfm
app_login.cfm
app_logout.cfm
app_member.cfm
app_rating.cfm
app_rdf.cfm
app_search.cfm
app_style.cfm
app_user.cfm
app_xml.cfm
Application.cfm
avantgo_design.cfm
def_article.cfm
def_comment.cfm
def_home.cfm
def_member.cfm
def_rating.cfm
def_user.cfm
down_design.cfm
dsp_404.cfm
dsp_debug.cfm
dsp_footer.cfm
dsp_header.cfm
dsp_sidebar.cfm
favicon.ico
gpl.txt
headers.cfm
home_design.cfm
index.cfm
isaac.css
pageresults.cfm
print.css
print_design.cfm
queryoutput.cfm
README.txt
robots.txt
tab_nav.css
tagstripper.cfm
uta.cfm
thanks,
.jeff
name://jeff.howden
game://web.development
http://www.evolt.org/
mailto:jeff at members.evolt.org
From djc at starkmedia.com Tue May 15 15:13:27 2001
From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody)
Date: Tue May 15 15:13:27 2001
Subject: [thesite] simons d.e.o pages..
Message-ID: <3B018D8C.DFCB8794@starkmedia.com>
hey, in case you diddnt see what simon coggins was working on
http://members.evolt.org/astro38/evolt/index.php
a directory for web design - pretty cool.
someone on thelist brought up a good point about using a different
style.. David, do we have any 'extra' color schemes laying around that
we could use instead of the b.e.o blue? it would be cool if he could use
one of them at any rate..
la la la.. cracking the whip today :)
From McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us Tue May 15 17:46:07 2001
From: McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us (McCreath_David)
Date: Tue May 15 17:46:07 2001
Subject: [thesite] simons d.e.o pages..
Message-ID: <9627DBCB3063D311BC4B00902785C55F02A1276F@EXPO1>
I mention f.e.o below, and I wasn't sure if that's public knowledge yet.
That's why this is offlist. Do people know about f.e.o yet? I know it's been
mentioned on admin, but not in any detail, and I don't recall seeing it on
thesite yet.
>From: Daniel J. Cody
>
>someone on thelist brought up a good point about using a different
>style.. David, do we have any 'extra' color schemes laying around that
>we could use instead of the b.e.o blue? it would be cool if he
>could use one of them at any rate..
http://members.evolt.org/mccreath/evolt/www0120emerald.html
http://members.evolt.org/mccreath/evolt/www0120purple.html
Those are the only two from the rearranged triplet that haven't been used to
date. FWIW, the other purple one has already been claimed by Matt, I
believe.
The whole shootin' match is here:
http://members.evolt.org/mccreath/evolt/colorschemes.html
From McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us Tue May 15 17:48:22 2001
From: McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us (McCreath_David)
Date: Tue May 15 17:48:22 2001
Subject: [thesite] unused files
Message-ID: <9627DBCB3063D311BC4B00902785C55F02A12770@EXPO1>
Thanks, Jeff!
>-----Original Message-----
>From: jeff
[...]
>thanks,
>
>.jeff
From djc at starkmedia.com Tue May 15 18:05:32 2001
From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody)
Date: Tue May 15 18:05:32 2001
Subject: [thesite] simons d.e.o pages..
References: <9627DBCB3063D311BC4B00902785C55F02A1276F@EXPO1>
Message-ID: <3B01B579.F8929FB8@starkmedia.com>
McCreath_David wrote:
>
> I mention f.e.o below, and I wasn't sure if that's public knowledge yet.
> That's why this is offlist. Do people know about f.e.o yet? I know it's been
> mentioned on admin, but not in any detail, and I don't recall seeing it on
> thesite yet.
>
> >From: Daniel J. Cody
> >
> >someone on thelist brought up a good point about using a different
> >style.. David, do we have any 'extra' color schemes laying around that
> >we could use instead of the b.e.o blue? it would be cool if he
> >could use one of them at any rate..
>
> http://members.evolt.org/mccreath/evolt/www0120emerald.html
>
> http://members.evolt.org/mccreath/evolt/www0120purple.html
>
> Those are the only two from the rearranged triplet that haven't been used to
> date. FWIW, the other purple one has already been claimed by Matt, I
> believe.
ahh.. OK.. ya food is ok to talk abotu here i guess, theres only about 7
of us that ever speak anyways ;)
me thinks we just need some more themes :)
From McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us Tue May 15 18:10:37 2001
From: McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us (McCreath_David)
Date: Tue May 15 18:10:37 2001
Subject: [thesite] simons d.e.o pages..
Message-ID: <9627DBCB3063D311BC4B00902785C55F02A12773@EXPO1>
Me having big brain day, yesyesyes.
Yeah, we could use some new themes. At the top of the color schemes page,
there's a link to Adrian's site that has a couple, but I don't know if those
are available for public use.
Don't just go willy-nilly installing W2K Service Pack 2 if you have a
Logitech Wheel Mouse. I got a big ugly blue screen from some conflict
between the Web Wheel software (or whatever) and something in the SP. Pretty
much a whole morning shot.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Daniel J. Cody
>
>ahh.. OK.. ya food is ok to talk abotu here i guess, theres
>only about 7
>of us that ever speak anyways ;)
>
>me thinks we just need some more themes :)
From elfur at members.evolt.org Tue May 15 18:29:42 2001
From: elfur at members.evolt.org (Elfur Logadottir)
Date: Tue May 15 18:29:42 2001
Subject: [thesite] simons d.e.o pages..
References: <9627DBCB3063D311BC4B00902785C55F02A1276F@EXPO1> <3B01B579.F8929FB8@starkmedia.com>
Message-ID: <097601c0dd96$fa3eb3a0$40aefea9@DWARFS>
From: "Daniel J. Cody"
| me thinks we just need some more themes :)
|
this sounds like a splendid idea for the community ...
< ... exits the interfering one>
From djc at starkmedia.com Tue May 15 23:24:43 2001
From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody)
Date: Tue May 15 23:24:43 2001
Subject: [thesite] newer people..
Message-ID: <3B021EE6.1030105@starkmedia.com>
hey noticed about 5 new people on ths list join up today, welcome..
things we're discussing right now:
1.) new styles for evolt sites to compliment our current styles
2.) lookiing for help in documenting/commenting our code so we can
release it
3.) user information on the users info page
or you can get up to speed by reading the archives from the past couple
weeks: http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/
welcome and thanks for helping out :)
.djc.
From isaac at members.evolt.org Wed May 16 04:36:09 2001
From: isaac at members.evolt.org (Isaac Forman)
Date: Wed May 16 04:36:09 2001
Subject: [thesite] simons d.e.o pages..
In-Reply-To: <3B01B579.F8929FB8@starkmedia.com>
Message-ID:
> ahh.. OK.. ya food is ok to talk abotu here i guess, theres only about 7
> of us that ever speak anyways ;)
didn't know you had it up and running/testing. woohoo!
must remember to start writing up recipes...
isaac
--------------------------------------------------------------
triple zero digital | upstairs at 200 the parade, norwood 5067
0414 758 000 | www.triplezero.com.au | isaac at triplezero.com.au
From djc at starkmedia.com Wed May 16 09:48:56 2001
From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody)
Date: Wed May 16 09:48:56 2001
Subject: [thesite] simons d.e.o pages..
References:
Message-ID: <3B029257.F5AF495F@starkmedia.com>
ya, matts been working on it for a bit now.. isac, didnt you have some
styles for the new site laying around at one point?
Isaac Forman wrote:
>
> > ahh.. OK.. ya food is ok to talk abotu here i guess, theres only about 7
> > of us that ever speak anyways ;)
>
> didn't know you had it up and running/testing. woohoo!
>
> must remember to start writing up recipes...
From ronwhite at members.evolt.org Wed May 16 11:48:22 2001
From: ronwhite at members.evolt.org (Ron White)
Date: Wed May 16 11:48:22 2001
Subject: [thesite] simons d.e.o pages..
In-Reply-To: <9627DBCB3063D311BC4B00902785C55F02A12773@EXPO1>
Message-ID:
And where exactly did you get a copy of service pack 2?? I haven't heard
anything about it and its not on the windowsupdate page...
Thanks,
Ron White
From isaac at members.evolt.org Wed May 16 23:04:30 2001
From: isaac at members.evolt.org (Isaac Forman)
Date: Wed May 16 23:04:30 2001
Subject: [thesite] slashdot article today..
In-Reply-To: <3B015039.9E1C43E@starkmedia.com>
Message-ID:
> the author of
> http://slashdot.org/articles/01/05/15/0113223.shtml
>
> has http://www.evolt.org linked for their name(like i do :) and we've
> gotten 200+ referers today from slashdot just from *that*
i've mentioned this on admin, but for everyone else on thesite, this was me.
i have to admit that i was not expecting it to generate 200 referrers...
(maybe 5-10). can't complain... :)
isaac
--------------------------------------------------------------
triple zero digital | upstairs at 200 the parade, norwood 5067
0414 758 000 | www.triplezero.com.au | isaac at triplezero.com.au
From judi at frognet.net Thu May 17 10:27:44 2001
From: judi at frognet.net (Judith Taylor)
Date: Thu May 17 10:27:44 2001
Subject: [thesite] No locks used?
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010517112119.00a2acf0@mail.frognet.net>
In going through the code for thesite, I noticed that you are setting a lot
of session vars....without locking them.
Since I'm basically doing some of the commenting, I thought I would bring
this to your attention....let ya'll decide if you wanted them locked.
:o)
Judith
Judith Taylor
ICQ: 67460562
Freelance ColdFusion Developer - Athens, OH
Friends don't let friends code before coffee.
From michele at wordpro.on.ca Thu May 17 12:53:20 2001
From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster)
Date: Thu May 17 12:53:20 2001
Subject: [thesite] Members' Directory/Pages
Message-ID: <009501c0defa$3bc30240$4be9a1d1@mef>
Hi folks,
Time to bring this conversation to one central location so that we can all
discuss it and get a team put together to take this project through to
completion.
My understanding is this.
Rudy has volunteered and been working on the database set up for the new
members pages. Erik has suggested that the following items be added to the
DB.
a. Name/contact infos
b. Skill set - searchable
c. Examples of work <= 5 URLs
d. 255 character description/commentary on b-c - maybe searchable
e. Location - searchable
f. Willing to freelance - searchable
g. More info/examples can be found at http://non-evolt-url
Ideally, all members info should be synched from one datasource. Dan will
need to provide details on the task of synching the weo, meo and leo
databases.
To quote Erik: "The application I did that I think has most of the basic CF
code and SQL needed is a monster.com-like employment service - so has skill
categories, contact info, forms to insert, delete and update data and a
search screen for everything ... as well as an admin area."
Rudy, what needs to be done? Can you coordinate with Erik what his
application does, and how we can use that and wrap the other members info
page(s) into it? Dan, can we use just the one database for ALL
information? (After the synching is done of course.) Members info is in
Oracle already I think? Or should it be worked on in Access locally, then
transferred over to teo for testing and integration? You guys would know
far better than I how to do this. I'm guessing CF and Access will/can talk
to each other?
Let's discuss .... put a plan in action, assign tasks, set deliverables,
etc. (Acting like *thewife* )
Michele
From michele at wordpro.on.ca Thu May 17 13:01:05 2001
From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster)
Date: Thu May 17 13:01:05 2001
Subject: [thesite] Abbreviations and Welcome to the New Folks on Here
Message-ID: <009801c0defb$52d32220$4be9a1d1@mef>
Hi everyone,
Welcome to the new folks on here.
Since there are have been several new folks signed up to this list lately,
here's a list of the common abbreviations that we use:
weo = evolt.org (main web site)
meo = members.evolt.org
leo = lists.evolt.org
teo = tests.evolt.org (being put back into current working order this week)
deo = directory.evolt.org (not official yet, but this is for Simon's
directory)
feo = doesn't exist per se (a project Matt's working on)
aeo = theNag (theWife)
And, if anyone has any questions, just ask. We don't bite!! It's great to
have new volunteers. Anyone bored, looking for something to do, introduce
yourself, let us know your interests, skills, what you would *like* to do, I
guarantee there's at least one task that needs completing.
Some of the projects in the works or needing to be assigned include:
theNag (theWife) - a job/task tracking project that djc's working on
feo - food.evolt.org - Matt's working on this
more stylesheets - Dave McCreath (see samples here
http://members.evolt.org/mccreath/evolt/colorschemes.html) - We need some
more options created that we can use for different sites (like deo needs a
unique colour scheme)
commenting code - I think this has been assigned, not sure if more
assistance is required
Members Database/Directory - see previous email, Erik and Rudy coordinating
efforts
That's all I can think of off the top of my head. I'll let those
responsible for a task/project elaborate and let us all know what
help/assistance is required.
Bye for now,
Michele
From joshua at alphashop.net Thu May 17 13:03:05 2001
From: joshua at alphashop.net (Joshua OIson)
Date: Thu May 17 13:03:05 2001
Subject: [thesite] Members' Directory/Pages
References: <009501c0defa$3bc30240$4be9a1d1@mef>
Message-ID: <063e01c0defb$d85dd700$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com>
Michelle,
It sounds like we are talking about a resume builder, to a certain degree?
And, at that, it sounds like you want to mimic monster.com and their
functionality? Am I understanding correctly? I've done some work with
resume builders in CF, so we may be able to use a little of that in the
process.
Basically, resumes have a *lot* in information. Some of the info is
repeatable any number of times (experience items) etc. So, I've got some
proven techniques to simplify the db structure if we want to go the
full-blown resume builder route.
-joshua
From michele at wordpro.on.ca Thu May 17 13:13:40 2001
From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster)
Date: Thu May 17 13:13:40 2001
Subject: [thesite] Members' Directory/Pages
References: <009501c0defa$3bc30240$4be9a1d1@mef> <063e01c0defb$d85dd700$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com>
Message-ID: <00b801c0defd$137809e0$4be9a1d1@mef>
Joshua,
Between what you have and what Erik has, perhaps we'll be able to coordinate
the two efforts to get what it is we need/want for the members info pages.
I don't think we really want a resume builder application per se. Not like
what you see on typical resume sites. But, it's all still in the definition
stages.
Do you have any database schemes we can look at? Actually, for Rudy and
Erik to look at and compare the existing members schema and then we can
decide what additional fields/information we need to add.
I'll let Rudy pipe up here and explain the evolt database.
Michele
(P.S. Joshua, can I bug ya with a few absolutely very basic CF questions
offlist?)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joshua OIson"
| Michelle,
|
| It sounds like we are talking about a resume builder, to a certain degree?
| And, at that, it sounds like you want to mimic monster.com and their
| functionality? Am I understanding correctly? I've done some work with
| resume builders in CF, so we may be able to use a little of that in the
| process.
|
| Basically, resumes have a *lot* in information. Some of the info is
| repeatable any number of times (experience items) etc. So, I've got some
| proven techniques to simplify the db structure if we want to go the
| full-blown resume builder route.
From r937 at interlog.com Thu May 17 13:27:56 2001
From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy)
Date: Thu May 17 13:27:56 2001
Subject: [thesite] Members' Directory/Pages
Message-ID: <01c0deff$05b5c840$9f49149a@rudy>
> I don't think we really want a resume builder application per se.
> Not like what you see on typical resume sites. But, it's all still in
> the definition stages.
hi michele
actually, the concept and database design have been in
ready-to-start-coding stage since
http://members.evolt.org/rudy/codefest2.html =o)
the following database tables for the member pages look real nice if you
have a fixed font --
SQL> describe member
Name Null? Type
------------------------------- -------- ----
MEMBERID NOT NULL NUMBER(8)
CREATEDATE NOT NULL DATE
DATEMOD NOT NULL DATE
FIRSTNAME NOT NULL VARCHAR2(50)
LASTNAME NOT NULL VARCHAR2(50)
PRIV NOT NULL NUMBER(1)
ACTIVE NOT NULL NUMBER(1)
SQL> describe attribute
Name Null? Type
------------------------------- -------- ----
ATTRID NOT NULL NUMBER(8)
ATTRNAME NOT NULL VARCHAR2(50)
SQL> describe membattr
Name Null? Type
------------------------------- -------- ----
MEMBATTRID NOT NULL NUMBER(8)
MEMBERID NOT NULL NUMBER(8)
ATTRID NOT NULL NUMBER(8)
SEQ NOT NULL NUMBER(2)
PRIV NOT NULL NUMBER(1)
ATTRVALUE VARCHAR2(255)
REMARKS VARCHAR2(255)
note that MEMBER will have a 1-to-many relationship to w.e.o's USER
records, i.e. each member can have one or more login ids, and each login id
will point to the member record that "owns" it
the attributes will be things like email, phone, url, icq#, etc.
MEMBATTR is the many-to-many intersection record
PRIV is, well, too much to go into right now...
> Erik has suggested that the following items be added to the DB.
the individual person's values all go into the MEMBATTR table, which points
back to the ATTRIBUTE table for the description of what kind of attribute
it is
examples on request
rudy
From joshua at alphashop.net Thu May 17 13:28:51 2001
From: joshua at alphashop.net (Joshua OIson)
Date: Thu May 17 13:28:51 2001
Subject: [thesite] Members' Directory/Pages
References: <009501c0defa$3bc30240$4be9a1d1@mef> <063e01c0defb$d85dd700$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> <00b801c0defd$137809e0$4be9a1d1@mef>
Message-ID: <06c001c0deff$77f7f720$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com>
The schemes I have in mind, and have used in the past to compile resume
data, is actually very very rudimentary. Basically, you would take the form
struct as it comes in, wddx it, and store it in a repository for later
compilation! If you need to edit it, just grab the info from the db, un
wddx it, and it's back into the form struct again.
All you have to do it plop it back into the original form for editing.
Very simple, and amazingly robust, even if you add or remove elements from
the forms that produced them. The only complex part of the scheme is
indexing the stored forms so that you know who owns the data, from which
application/page of the builder it originated, etc. But, once you get the
hashing algorithm in place, it's a piece of cake.
This schema is not inherently compatible or incompatible with the user
records already in place, since all it's doing is store forms of
information, which can then be compiled into working resumes or stored in
some other tables. The benefit in this case would be *rapid* development of
the user interface and step through process of building complex resumes...
even if the process is 20 steps with multiple iterations of any of the
steps.
But, I'm rambling... time to go back to work!
-joshua
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michele Foster"
Subject: Re: [thesite] Members' Directory/Pages
> Joshua,
>
> Do you have any database schemes we can look at? Actually, for Rudy and
> Erik to look at and compare the existing members schema and then we can
> decide what additional fields/information we need to add.
>
> I'll let Rudy pipe up here and explain the evolt database.
>
> Michele
From ronwhite at members.evolt.org Thu May 17 13:30:01 2001
From: ronwhite at members.evolt.org (Ron White)
Date: Thu May 17 13:30:01 2001
Subject: [thesite] Abbreviations and Welcome to the New Folks on Here
In-Reply-To: <009801c0defb$52d32220$4be9a1d1@mef>
Message-ID:
I've been pretty much power lurking on here for awhile. My skills are
limited to HTML, JS, VBscript, ASP and some SQL. So if there's some basic
coding that needs to be done lemme know...
Thanks,
Ron White
-----Original Message-----
From: thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Michele Foster
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 2:01 PM
To: thesite at lists.evolt.org
Subject: [thesite] Abbreviations and Welcome to the New Folks on Here
Hi everyone,
Welcome to the new folks on here.
Since there are have been several new folks signed up to this list lately,
here's a list of the common abbreviations that we use:
weo = evolt.org (main web site)
meo = members.evolt.org
leo = lists.evolt.org
teo = tests.evolt.org (being put back into current working order this week)
deo = directory.evolt.org (not official yet, but this is for Simon's
directory)
feo = doesn't exist per se (a project Matt's working on)
aeo = theNag (theWife)
And, if anyone has any questions, just ask. We don't bite!! It's great to
have new volunteers. Anyone bored, looking for something to do, introduce
yourself, let us know your interests, skills, what you would *like* to do, I
guarantee there's at least one task that needs completing.
Some of the projects in the works or needing to be assigned include:
theNag (theWife) - a job/task tracking project that djc's working on
feo - food.evolt.org - Matt's working on this
more stylesheets - Dave McCreath (see samples here
http://members.evolt.org/mccreath/evolt/colorschemes.html) - We need some
more options created that we can use for different sites (like deo needs a
unique colour scheme)
commenting code - I think this has been assigned, not sure if more
assistance is required
Members Database/Directory - see previous email, Erik and Rudy coordinating
efforts
That's all I can think of off the top of my head. I'll let those
responsible for a task/project elaborate and let us all know what
help/assistance is required.
Bye for now,
Michele
_______________________________________________
http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/
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http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/
From michele at wordpro.on.ca Thu May 17 13:53:16 2001
From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster)
Date: Thu May 17 13:53:16 2001
Subject: [thesite] Members' Directory/Pages
References: <01c0deff$05b5c840$9f49149a@rudy>
Message-ID: <00e501c0df02$9c80f6c0$4be9a1d1@mef>
Rudy,
Thanks .. didn't realize members could assign their own attributes. Will
this enable searching of the data as Erik suggested? Or will we need to
have a list of pre-defined attributes?
What needs to be done to move forward on this project? Is this independent
of the members' database that Dan's synching for weo, leo, meo sites? Or do
we wait until the rest is synched then we can get this moving?
CF code exists from Erik and Joshua ... how best to incorporate and
collaborate?
I'm just attempting to coordinate .. I've not a clue about it all in
reality.
Michele
----- Original Message -----
From: "rudy"
|
| the following database tables for the member pages look real nice if you
| have a fixed font --
From joshua at alphashop.net Thu May 17 14:01:41 2001
From: joshua at alphashop.net (Joshua OIson)
Date: Thu May 17 14:01:41 2001
Subject: [thesite] Sidebar minimize bug
References: <01c0deff$05b5c840$9f49149a@rudy> <00e501c0df02$9c80f6c0$4be9a1d1@mef>
Message-ID: <070c01c0df04$0da67590$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com>
I was on evolt changing my user preferences, then I minimized the sidebar.
Instead of being returned to where I was, I was magically teleported to the
find users section! It looks like the url param action=edit is being lost
somewhere.
Thanx
-joshua
From colette at wi.rr.com Thu May 17 14:02:11 2001
From: colette at wi.rr.com (Colette Brown)
Date: Thu May 17 14:02:11 2001
Subject: intro (was [thesite] Abbreviations and Welcome to the New Folks on Here)
In-Reply-To: <009801c0defb$52d32220$4be9a1d1@mef>
References: <009801c0defb$52d32220$4be9a1d1@mef>
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Thursday, May 17, 2001, 1:00:56 PM, michele at wordpro.on.ca wrote:
> Anyone bored, looking for something to do, introduce
> yourself, let us know your interests, skills, what you would *like* to do, I
> guarantee there's at least one task that needs completing.
Hi, I would like to help out, but I'm not sure I can do that much. I
don't know ColdFusion yet. (I've seen CF code, but I've never had to
work with it.) For my day job, I do ASP code using VBScript, and I
work with MS Access and SQL Server. I'm
learning about PHP and MySQL on my own.
If possible, I'd like to help out with the job/task tracking project
or the members directory. Most of my experience has been coding parts
of admin tools for different sites, and I would like to learn how to
make things from scratch. I'm definitely not picky though. I
suppose working on any of the projects would be a good chance to learn
ColdFusion.
Anyway, feel free to contact me. Nice meeting everyone.
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
Colette Brown
Blog: http://ziatroyano.org
From djc at starkmedia.com Thu May 17 14:04:21 2001
From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody)
Date: Thu May 17 14:04:21 2001
Subject: [thesite] Abbreviations and Welcome to the New Folks on Here
References:
Message-ID: <3B041E3A.F0CAE05C@starkmedia.com>
Thanks ron :)
Interested in whipping up some fun new stylesheets? :) There's also the
d.e.o stuff that needs to be run through, its PHP, but just the
functionality and stuff needs to be updated.. and the stylesheet :)
we need themes i guess is what it comes down to :) maybe i should make a
call on thelist for people to conritbute themes?
Ron White wrote:
>
> I've been pretty much power lurking on here for awhile. My skills are
> limited to HTML, JS, VBscript, ASP and some SQL. So if there's some basic
> coding that needs to be done lemme know...
From djc at starkmedia.com Thu May 17 14:05:46 2001
From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody)
Date: Thu May 17 14:05:46 2001
Subject: [bug] [thesite] Sidebar minimize bug
References: <01c0deff$05b5c840$9f49149a@rudy> <00e501c0df02$9c80f6c0$4be9a1d1@mef> <070c01c0df04$0da67590$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com>
Message-ID: <3B041E8C.EE9178@starkmedia.com>
just chaning the subject for my own filters :)
Joshua OIson wrote:
>
> I was on evolt changing my user preferences, then I minimized the sidebar.
> Instead of being returned to where I was, I was magically teleported to the
> find users section! It looks like the url param action=edit is being lost
> somewhere.
>
> Thanx
>
> -joshua
>
> _______________________________________________
> http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/
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From gozz at gozz.com Thu May 17 14:06:46 2001
From: gozz at gozz.com (Erik Mattheis)
Date: Thu May 17 14:06:46 2001
Subject: [thesite] Members' Directory/Pages
In-Reply-To: <00b801c0defd$137809e0$4be9a1d1@mef>
References: <009501c0defa$3bc30240$4be9a1d1@mef>
<063e01c0defb$d85dd700$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com>
<00b801c0defd$137809e0$4be9a1d1@mef>
Message-ID:
My thought on the member directory is that it should aim facilitating
collaboration between evolt members - UNITE! - like only be
accessible to evolt members, and probably keep it's very existence
hidden from people that aren't list members - otherwise eventually
some headhunter or similar is going to be bugging people, and people
will use it as an on-line resume service - for which there's plenty
of options out there already.
The reason I mentioned the site I did is that it has everything
necessary to accomplish the above objective - and a lot of other
stuff which should be taken out - in fact, I think it should contain
just enough information to help people find each other.
Michele - I'll send the table definitions Rudy sent to me. It uses
what I'd refer to as a "look up table" where two tables kind of play
off each other so rows in a single table can contain any type of
information ...
Question for someone familiar with the database: Will the fact that
it's Oracle make it OK to use up a row in the MEMBATTR table to just
hold a boolean value, etc? Or should we think of adding some tables
specifically for this?
--
- Erik Mattheis
"For best results, pronounce muh THEIGH ess."
(612) 827 3963
From djc at starkmedia.com Thu May 17 14:22:21 2001
From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody)
Date: Thu May 17 14:22:21 2001
Subject: intro (was [thesite] Abbreviations and Welcome to the New Folks on
Here)
References: <009801c0defb$52d32220$4be9a1d1@mef> <80108062776.20010517135758@wi.rr.com>
Message-ID: <3B04226D.EF91C680@starkmedia.com>
Hey Colette -
Good to have another member from wisconsin :)
Colette Brown wrote:
> learning about PHP and MySQL on my own.
how comfortable are you with those? there is one app we do have written
in php/mysql that simon coggins wrote..
> If possible, I'd like to help out with the job/task tracking project
> or the members directory. Most of my experience has been coding parts
> of admin tools for different sites, and I would like to learn how to
> make things from scratch. I'm definitely not picky though. I
> suppose working on any of the projects would be a good chance to learn
> ColdFusion.
I'm the one that wrote thewife(job tracking) and i'll get back to
everyone on that probably tomorrow.. I'm syncing up the databases this
week with that and aftre that i'll start coding again and will need some
help :)
Thanks to everyone for pitching in!! this rocks :)
From djc at starkmedia.com Thu May 17 14:35:11 2001
From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody)
Date: Thu May 17 14:35:11 2001
Subject: [thesite] Members' Directory/Pages
References: <01c0deff$05b5c840$9f49149a@rudy>
Message-ID: <3B04256D.59DC31B1@starkmedia.com>
rudy, jeff -
shouldnt there be a 'scheme' field in the users table? so like when
joebob decides he wants to have theme '1' from the schemes table as his
theme, it gets marked somewhere?
or is that somewhere else? just diggin through and wondering
rudy wrote:
>
> > I don't think we really want a resume builder application per se.
> > Not like what you see on typical resume sites. But, it's all still in
> > the definition stages.
From colette at wi.rr.com Thu May 17 14:38:11 2001
From: colette at wi.rr.com (Colette Brown)
Date: Thu May 17 14:38:11 2001
Subject: intro (was [thesite] Abbreviations and Welcome to the New Folks on Here)
In-Reply-To: <3B04226D.EF91C680@starkmedia.com>
References: <009801c0defb$52d32220$4be9a1d1@mef>
<80108062776.20010517135758@wi.rr.com> <3B04226D.EF91C680@starkmedia.com>
Message-ID: <135110461585.20010517143757@wi.rr.com>
Thursday, May 17, 2001, 2:11:41 PM, djc at starkmedia.com wrote:
> Good to have another member from wisconsin :)
Thanks. Nice to be here. There doesn't seem to be many of us, does
there?
> how comfortable are you with those? there is one app we do have written
> in php/mysql that simon coggins wrote..
I'm more familiar with PHP than MySQL at the moment. But, so far, it
doesn't seem like a big leap for me. I would think that MySQL is used
with PHP in a similar fashion as Access and SQL Server are with ASP.
Just different languages, and syntax. I use SQL queries regularly, so
I think that helps. I could definitely help out with coding tasks.
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
Colette Brown
Blog: http://ziatroyano.org
From djc at starkmedia.com Thu May 17 14:39:56 2001
From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody)
Date: Thu May 17 14:39:56 2001
Subject: [thesite] No locks used?
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010517112119.00a2acf0@mail.frognet.net>
Message-ID: <3B042689.4F7FF9E0@starkmedia.com>
judith -
we'll have to wait for jeff to chime in on this, but thanks for bringing
it up :)
hows the commenting coming?
Judith Taylor wrote:
>
> In going through the code for thesite, I noticed that you are setting a lot
> of session vars....without locking them.
>
> Since I'm basically doing some of the commenting, I thought I would bring
> this to your attention....let ya'll decide if you wanted them locked.
>
> :o)
>
> Judith
>
> Judith Taylor
> ICQ: 67460562
> Freelance ColdFusion Developer - Athens, OH
>
> Friends don't let friends code before coffee.
>
> _______________________________________________
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From ronwhite at members.evolt.org Thu May 17 14:45:56 2001
From: ronwhite at members.evolt.org (Ron White)
Date: Thu May 17 14:45:56 2001
Subject: [thesite] Abbreviations and Welcome to the New Folks on Here
In-Reply-To: <3B041E3A.F0CAE05C@starkmedia.com>
Message-ID:
What eggzachery do ya want in terms of stylesheets?? Gimme an outline or
tell me where there's a current one and I'll see what I can come up with...
I've touched PHP about 2 years ago...
Thanks,
Ron White
From ronwhite at members.evolt.org Thu May 17 14:47:01 2001
From: ronwhite at members.evolt.org (Ron White)
Date: Thu May 17 14:47:01 2001
Subject: [thesite] Members' Directory/Pages
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID:
probably keep it's very existence hidden from people that aren't list
members
+ 1 billion
I already get plenty of Junque mail :-)
Ron
From McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us Thu May 17 14:52:06 2001
From: McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us (McCreath_David)
Date: Thu May 17 14:52:06 2001
Subject: [thesite] Abbreviations and Welcome to the New Folks on Here
Message-ID: <9627DBCB3063D311BC4B00902785C55F02A1278B@EXPO1>
Ron --
If you go here:
http://members.evolt.org/mccreath/evolt/colorschemes.html
you'll see the whole history.
What we have in production on the evolt sites currently are all simple
rearrangements of the RGB triplet that was used to create the green
background for w.e.o. They're all basically monochromatic, except for the
l.e.o site, which uses red as it's base, and since light red tends toward
pink, we used gray instead.
Look at any of the samples above and you can get the related stylesheet. All
we're looking for right now is new color schemes. The font faces, etc.
shouldn't need changing. In particular look at aardvark's samples that are
linked from the top of the page; there are some examples that go beyond the
original RGB triplet.
Holler if you have more questions.
David
>-----Original Message-----
>From: thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org
>[mailto:thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Ron White
>Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 11:45 AM
>To: thesite at lists.evolt.org
>Subject: RE: [thesite] Abbreviations and Welcome to the New Folks on
>Here
>
>
>What eggzachery do ya want in terms of stylesheets?? Gimme an
>outline or
>tell me where there's a current one and I'll see what I can
>come up with...
>I've touched PHP about 2 years ago...
>
>Thanks,
>Ron White
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/
>and new & improved kentucky fried old archives:
>http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/
>
From michele at wordpro.on.ca Thu May 17 15:10:11 2001
From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster)
Date: Thu May 17 15:10:11 2001
Subject: New Stylesheets .... was ... Re: [thesite] Abbreviations and Welcome to the New Folks on Here
References: <9627DBCB3063D311BC4B00902785C55F02A1278B@EXPO1>
Message-ID: <015401c0df0d$5ea340a0$4be9a1d1@mef>
To add to what David said,
I've put up a zip file of a snapshot of weo. Included are the images,
existing stylesheet (isaac.css), and two htm files, one for the homepage,
one for an article. The more samples, options, variations we get the
better.
http://members.evolt.org/Mishka/evoltfiles.zip
David, feel free to add this zip file to your site.
Michele
----- Original Message -----
From: "McCreath_David"
| If you go here:
|
| http://members.evolt.org/mccreath/evolt/colorschemes.html
|
| you'll see the whole history.
|
From ronwhite at members.evolt.org Thu May 17 15:15:16 2001
From: ronwhite at members.evolt.org (Ron White)
Date: Thu May 17 15:15:16 2001
Subject: [thesite] Abbreviations and Welcome to the New Folks on Here
In-Reply-To: <9627DBCB3063D311BC4B00902785C55F02A1278B@EXPO1>
Message-ID:
Does it have to be web safe or can I expand out?
Thanks,
Ron White
-----Original Message-----
From: thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of McCreath_David
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 3:52 PM
To: 'thesite at lists.evolt.org'
Subject: RE: [thesite] Abbreviations and Welcome to the New Folks on
Here
Ron --
If you go here:
http://members.evolt.org/mccreath/evolt/colorschemes.html
you'll see the whole history.
What we have in production on the evolt sites currently are all simple
rearrangements of the RGB triplet that was used to create the green
background for w.e.o. They're all basically monochromatic, except for the
l.e.o site, which uses red as it's base, and since light red tends toward
pink, we used gray instead.
Look at any of the samples above and you can get the related stylesheet. All
we're looking for right now is new color schemes. The font faces, etc.
shouldn't need changing. In particular look at aardvark's samples that are
linked from the top of the page; there are some examples that go beyond the
original RGB triplet.
Holler if you have more questions.
David
>-----Original Message-----
>From: thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org
>[mailto:thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Ron White
>Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 11:45 AM
>To: thesite at lists.evolt.org
>Subject: RE: [thesite] Abbreviations and Welcome to the New Folks on
>Here
>
>
>What eggzachery do ya want in terms of stylesheets?? Gimme an
>outline or
>tell me where there's a current one and I'll see what I can
>come up with...
>I've touched PHP about 2 years ago...
>
>Thanks,
>Ron White
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/
>and new & improved kentucky fried old archives:
>http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/
>
_______________________________________________
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and new & improved kentucky fried old archives:
http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/
From michele at wordpro.on.ca Thu May 17 15:21:21 2001
From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster)
Date: Thu May 17 15:21:21 2001
Subject: [thesite] Members' Directory/Pages
References: <01c0deff$05b5c840$9f49149a@rudy>
Message-ID: <015901c0df0e$ed1fe300$4be9a1d1@mef>
Rudy,
I have a couple of questions.
(1) Why is PRIV on both member and membattr tables? I thought we only
needed one PRIV? I know what the values are for the "member" table, but
what are the proposed values for the membattr table and how do they differ?
(not sure if this can be discussed on here or not, if the answer is simply
they will be different, they are both required, that's fine)
(2) What is SEQ on the membattr table?
(3) What are REMARKS for? Will the member be able to use this field? and
if so, umm.. what's its intended use, that it won't be an attribute already
defined?
(4) Are ATTRVALUE and REMARKS set to be 255 characters? (Is that what it
means in Oracle?) i.e. a text field not a memo field (Access terms). What
about making Remarks a memo field (clob?), then members can enter a
description, more info, etc. than that defined by an attribute. (Hi, I'm
joe user from Toronto, Ontario, I'm 33, single male, never been married,
yadda, yadda )
If we want to go one step further and incorporate Joshua's resume builder,
that will require additional memo (clob??) fields? Feasibility?
One final question, do you have a list of attributes already created?
Thanks,
Michele
----- Original Message -----
From: "rudy"
|
| SQL> describe member
| Name Null? Type
| ------------------------------- -------- ----
| MEMBERID NOT NULL NUMBER(8)
| CREATEDATE NOT NULL DATE
| DATEMOD NOT NULL DATE
| FIRSTNAME NOT NULL VARCHAR2(50)
| LASTNAME NOT NULL VARCHAR2(50)
| PRIV NOT NULL NUMBER(1)
| ACTIVE NOT NULL NUMBER(1)
|
| SQL> describe attribute
| Name Null? Type
| ------------------------------- -------- ----
| ATTRID NOT NULL NUMBER(8)
| ATTRNAME NOT NULL VARCHAR2(50)
|
| SQL> describe membattr
| Name Null? Type
| ------------------------------- -------- ----
| MEMBATTRID NOT NULL NUMBER(8)
| MEMBERID NOT NULL NUMBER(8)
| ATTRID NOT NULL NUMBER(8)
| SEQ NOT NULL NUMBER(2)
| PRIV NOT NULL NUMBER(1)
| ATTRVALUE VARCHAR2(255)
| REMARKS VARCHAR2(255)
|
From ronwhite at members.evolt.org Thu May 17 15:34:48 2001
From: ronwhite at members.evolt.org (Ron White)
Date: Thu May 17 15:34:48 2001
Subject: New Stylesheets .... was ... Re: [thesite] Abbreviations and Welcome to the New Folks on Here
In-Reply-To: <015401c0df0d$5ea340a0$4be9a1d1@mef>
Message-ID:
Ok, I'm certainly not in the world's top 4 billion color coordinators, but
here's my first attempt... On the right path, too ugly, too garish, too
lame, lemme know...
Thanks,
Ron White
-----Original Message-----
From: thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Michele Foster
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 4:10 PM
To: thesite at lists.evolt.org
Subject: New Stylesheets .... was ... Re: [thesite] Abbreviations and
Welcome to the New Folks on Here
To add to what David said,
I've put up a zip file of a snapshot of weo. Included are the images,
existing stylesheet (isaac.css), and two htm files, one for the homepage,
one for an article. The more samples, options, variations we get the
better.
http://members.evolt.org/Mishka/evoltfiles.zip
David, feel free to add this zip file to your site.
Michele
----- Original Message -----
From: "McCreath_David"
| If you go here:
|
| http://members.evolt.org/mccreath/evolt/colorschemes.html
|
| you'll see the whole history.
|
_______________________________________________
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From ronwhite at members.evolt.org Thu May 17 15:58:38 2001
From: ronwhite at members.evolt.org (Ron White)
Date: Thu May 17 15:58:38 2001
Subject: [thesite] RE: New Stylesheets
In-Reply-To: <015401c0df0d$5ea340a0$4be9a1d1@mef>
Message-ID:
Another one, I think this one is pretty good if I do say so myself :-) I
really need some feedback after you all stop laughing at the first one :-)
Thanks,
Ron White
-----Original Message-----
From: thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Michele Foster
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 4:10 PM
To: thesite at lists.evolt.org
Subject: New Stylesheets .... was ... Re: [thesite] Abbreviations and
Welcome to the New Folks on Here
To add to what David said,
I've put up a zip file of a snapshot of weo. Included are the images,
existing stylesheet (isaac.css), and two htm files, one for the homepage,
one for an article. The more samples, options, variations we get the
better.
http://members.evolt.org/Mishka/evoltfiles.zip
David, feel free to add this zip file to your site.
Michele
----- Original Message -----
From: "McCreath_David"
| If you go here:
|
| http://members.evolt.org/mccreath/evolt/colorschemes.html
|
| you'll see the whole history.
|
_______________________________________________
http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/
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From michele at wordpro.on.ca Thu May 17 16:05:08 2001
From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster)
Date: Thu May 17 16:05:08 2001
Subject: [thesite] RE: New Stylesheets
References:
Message-ID: <019001c0df15$0ba45440$4be9a1d1@mef>
Ron,
It would be a million times easier to review if you posted them somewhere
(meo account?) with the snapshot pages and images.
Thanks,
Michele
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron White"
| Another one, I think this one is pretty good if I do say so myself :-) I
| really need some feedback after you all stop laughing at the first one :-)
|
| Thanks,
| Ron White
From r937 at interlog.com Thu May 17 16:07:28 2001
From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy)
Date: Thu May 17 16:07:28 2001
Subject: [thesite] Members' Directory/Pages
Message-ID: <01c0df15$2c2fa0c0$9f49149a@rudy>
>(1) Why is PRIV on both member and membattr tables?
> I thought we only needed one PRIV?
yes it can be discussed here
we need a PRIV on every record where the record contents need privacy
>(2) What is SEQ on the membattr table?
sequence, e.g. if i list several urls, i can put them in the order i want
>(3) What are REMARKS for? Will the member be able to use this field?
to add remarks to the attibute value, yes it's for the member to supply
remarks
>(4) Are ATTRVALUE and REMARKS set to be 255 characters?
yes they are, i don't think we should be writing book-length entries on
each individual attribute -- remember, they are meant for things like phone
numbers, icq numbers, stuff like that
>If we want to go one step further and incorporate Joshua's resume builder,
>that will require additional memo (clob??) fields? Feasibility?
no comment, sorry, i just don't know enough about it, but as soon as i saw
"you would take the form struct as it comes in, wddx it, and store it in a
repository for later compilation!" my mind sort of tuned out...
no offence, josh, but we should get the basics up and running first...
>One final question, do you have a list of attributes already created?
SQL> select * from attribute;
ATTRID ATTRNAME
--------- ---------------------
2757 email
2761 url
2762 icq
2763 photo
this was in test.evolt.org's database (i think) from codefest 2, not sure
if they're still there
the IDs are taken from the same oracle sequence as all the rest of them
there will of course be plenty of pre-determined attributes, and perhaps
the form should offer them in a dropdown or something
From ronwhite at members.evolt.org Thu May 17 16:08:28 2001
From: ronwhite at members.evolt.org (Ron White)
Date: Thu May 17 16:08:28 2001
Subject: [thesite] RE: New Stylesheets
In-Reply-To: <019001c0df15$0ba45440$4be9a1d1@mef>
Message-ID:
Ok, Lets see if I remember how to get to my account :-)
Thanks,
Ron White
-----Original Message-----
From: thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Michele Foster
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 5:05 PM
To: thesite at lists.evolt.org
Subject: Re: [thesite] RE: New Stylesheets
Ron,
It would be a million times easier to review if you posted them somewhere
(meo account?) with the snapshot pages and images.
Thanks,
Michele
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron White"
| Another one, I think this one is pretty good if I do say so myself :-) I
| really need some feedback after you all stop laughing at the first one :-)
|
| Thanks,
| Ron White
_______________________________________________
http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/
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From joshua at alphashop.net Thu May 17 16:13:18 2001
From: joshua at alphashop.net (Joshua OIson)
Date: Thu May 17 16:13:18 2001
Subject: [thesite] Members' Directory/Pages
References: <01c0df15$2c2fa0c0$9f49149a@rudy>
Message-ID: <078301c0df16$72015b60$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com>
> no comment, sorry, i just don't know enough about it, but as soon as i saw
> "you would take the form struct as it comes in, wddx it, and store it in a
> repository for later compilation!" my mind sort of tuned out...
>
> no offence, josh, but we should get the basics up and running first...
>
None taken. The stuff I was talking about doesn't really pertain in this
case. You are talking about storing user information, whereas I was talking
about a *technique* to build a large step-through process involving may
forms. Such a technique could be used to build a resume builder, which has
almost nothing to do with the flexible user attributes you are talking
about.
-joshua
From ronwhite at members.evolt.org Thu May 17 16:25:48 2001
From: ronwhite at members.evolt.org (Ron White)
Date: Thu May 17 16:25:48 2001
Subject: [thesite] RE: New Stylesheets
In-Reply-To: <019001c0df15$0ba45440$4be9a1d1@mef>
Message-ID:
Ok WhereTF do I log into to FTP my files?? I tried ftp://members.evolt.org
is that not correct?? Also tried ftp://members.evolt.org/RonW and no joy...
Thanks,
Ron White
-----Original Message-----
From: thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Michele Foster
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 5:05 PM
To: thesite at lists.evolt.org
Subject: Re: [thesite] RE: New Stylesheets
Ron,
It would be a million times easier to review if you posted them somewhere
(meo account?) with the snapshot pages and images.
Thanks,
Michele
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron White"
| Another one, I think this one is pretty good if I do say so myself :-) I
| really need some feedback after you all stop laughing at the first one :-)
|
| Thanks,
| Ron White
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From joshua at alphashop.net Thu May 17 16:35:08 2001
From: joshua at alphashop.net (Joshua OIson)
Date: Thu May 17 16:35:08 2001
Subject: [thesite] RE: New Stylesheets
References:
Message-ID: <07a501c0df19$7dc28390$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com>
what about ftp:://RonW at members.evolt.org?
I'm able to use a standard FTP client and get into my folders no problem,
but am not having any luck using the browser.
-joshua
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron White"
To:
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 5:25 PM
Subject: RE: [thesite] RE: New Stylesheets
> Ok WhereTF do I log into to FTP my files?? I tried ftp://members.evolt.org
> is that not correct?? Also tried ftp://members.evolt.org/RonW and no
joy...
>
> Thanks,
> Ron White
From jeff at members.evolt.org Thu May 17 16:38:09 2001
From: jeff at members.evolt.org (jeff)
Date: Thu May 17 16:38:09 2001
Subject: [thesite] No locks used?
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010517112119.00a2acf0@mail.frognet.net>
Message-ID:
judith,
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: From: Judith Taylor
:
: In going through the code for thesite, I noticed
: that you are setting a lot of session vars....
: without locking them.
:
: Since I'm basically doing some of the commenting,
: I thought I would bring this to your attention....
: let ya'll decide if you wanted them locked.
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
in my experience locking session var reads/writes isn't nearly as critical
as locking application var reads/writes. however, that being said, best
practice dictates that session vars be locked.
if you could be so kind as to make a note of any templates that write to a
session var and i will go in later and add the write locks.
thanks,
.jeff
name://jeff.howden
game://web.development
http://www.evolt.org/
mailto:jeff at members.evolt.org
From michele at wordpro.on.ca Thu May 17 16:41:13 2001
From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster)
Date: Thu May 17 16:41:13 2001
Subject: [thesite] RE: New Stylesheets
References:
Message-ID: <01b401c0df1a$10179aa0$4be9a1d1@mef>
Ron,
I don't have access to look up your info. Dan will have to do that.
In the meantime, yes, that's the correct ftp address (members.evolt.org).
Looking at your email address, I'm guessing your user ID is ronwhite, PW,
Dan will have to send that to you.
MEO accounts are case sensitive.
Not sure if this is helpful or not.
Michele
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron White"
| Ok WhereTF do I log into to FTP my files?? I tried ftp://members.evolt.org
| is that not correct?? Also tried ftp://members.evolt.org/RonW and no
joy...
From djc at starkmedia.com Thu May 17 16:42:38 2001
From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody)
Date: Thu May 17 16:42:38 2001
Subject: [thesite] dean, some oracle things again..
Message-ID: <3B04458A.7DAAC3D4@starkmedia.com>
i dunno if you've gotten a chance to peak around on the new oracle box
yet, but here are a couple things we need to look at..
buffer cache hit rate is in the 30's - db_block_buffers ?
parse/execute ratio seems to be too high
also , the front page query is taking like 20 seconds to run.. can we
make a view out of this:?
SELECT
content.contentid,
content.keyphrase,
content.contentname,
content.synopsis,
content.datemod,
content.replies,
users.userid,
users.who,
categorys.category,
categorys.categoryid,
(SELECT Count(*) FROM replies WHERE contentid = content.contentid
AND datemod > '') AS newcomments
FROM
content,
users,
categorys
WHERE
content.signoff = 1
AND content.userid = users.userid
AND content.categoryid <> 23
AND content.categoryid <> 26
AND content.categoryid <> 9741
AND content.categoryid = categorys.categoryid
ORDER BY
content.datemod DESC,
content.contentid DESC
thanks bud :)
From jeff at members.evolt.org Thu May 17 16:47:28 2001
From: jeff at members.evolt.org (jeff)
Date: Thu May 17 16:47:28 2001
Subject: [thesite] dean, some oracle things again..
In-Reply-To: <3B04458A.7DAAC3D4@starkmedia.com>
Message-ID:
djc,
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: From: Daniel J. Cody
:
: also , the front page query is taking like
: 20 seconds to run.. can we make a view out
: of this:?
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
we can make a view out of it, but that won't give us any speed increases. a
view doesn't actually create another table of info to query, it just binds
together some sql logic into a resultset that can then be queried with
simpler queries.
my suggestion would be to take that query and make a stored procedure out of
it. then we'll get the speed of advantage.
my 2c,
.jeff
name://jeff.howden
game://web.development
http://www.evolt.org/
mailto:jeff at members.evolt.org
From ronwhite at members.evolt.org Thu May 17 16:50:43 2001
From: ronwhite at members.evolt.org (Ron White)
Date: Thu May 17 16:50:43 2001
Subject: [thesite] RE: New Stylesheets
In-Reply-To: <01b401c0df1a$10179aa0$4be9a1d1@mef>
Message-ID:
I just got my user Id(RonW) and PW since its been a coon's age since I've
logged into thesite, but I still can't get into the ftp area. I've tried
every combo of case that is possible.
Thanks,
Ron White
-----Original Message-----
From: thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Michele Foster
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 5:41 PM
To: thesite at lists.evolt.org
Subject: Re: [thesite] RE: New Stylesheets
Ron,
I don't have access to look up your info. Dan will have to do that.
In the meantime, yes, that's the correct ftp address (members.evolt.org).
Looking at your email address, I'm guessing your user ID is ronwhite, PW,
Dan will have to send that to you.
MEO accounts are case sensitive.
Not sure if this is helpful or not.
Michele
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron White"
| Ok WhereTF do I log into to FTP my files?? I tried ftp://members.evolt.org
| is that not correct?? Also tried ftp://members.evolt.org/RonW and no
joy...
_______________________________________________
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From joshua at alphashop.net Thu May 17 16:51:48 2001
From: joshua at alphashop.net (Joshua OIson)
Date: Thu May 17 16:51:48 2001
Subject: [thesite] dean, some oracle things again..
References: <3B04458A.7DAAC3D4@starkmedia.com>
Message-ID: <07c601c0df1b$ceb1e550$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com>
Dan, Jeff, Rudy,
20 seconds? That seems a little long for a simple query like this one. Are
the indexes correct? Like jeff said, a store procedure may speed up things,
but I assure you the majority of the 20 seconds is not plan creation, which
is the only thing you'll save by having this query in a stored procedure in
this case. This query is not really complex. There may be a lot of data,
but 20 seconds?! There is something else going on to slow down the query
that much.
-joshua
> also , the front page query is taking like 20 seconds to run.. can we
> make a view out of this:?
From joshua at alphashop.net Thu May 17 16:52:58 2001
From: joshua at alphashop.net (Joshua OIson)
Date: Thu May 17 16:52:58 2001
Subject: [thesite] RE: New Stylesheets
References:
Message-ID: <07cc01c0df1b$fc7d6040$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com>
Which FTP agents have you tried. I get into mine with WSFTP95 without
hitch, and through CF Studio without a hitch. Have you tried MSFTP or
CuteFTP?
-joshua
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron White"
To:
Cc: "Daniel J. Cody"
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 5:49 PM
Subject: RE: [thesite] RE: New Stylesheets
> I just got my user Id(RonW) and PW since its been a coon's age since I've
> logged into thesite, but I still can't get into the ftp area. I've tried
> every combo of case that is possible.
>
> Thanks,
> Ron White
From mwarden at odyssey-design.com Thu May 17 16:56:03 2001
From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt)
Date: Thu May 17 16:56:03 2001
Subject: [thesite] dean, some oracle things again..
References:
Message-ID: <01b501c0df1c$08d885e0$4003020a@patk3mzsmhxpqb>
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> my suggestion would be to take that query and make a stored
> procedure out of it. then we'll get the speed of advantage.
+1
We need to do something. weo loads way too slow.
Need me to research Oracle sprocs and write one? I'll need
dean/dan/rudy/etc to look it over afterwards. I might even be able to
sweet talk on of the database monkies around here to do it for me...
lemme know,
- --
mattwarden
mattwarden.com
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From ronwhite at members.evolt.org Thu May 17 16:56:13 2001
From: ronwhite at members.evolt.org (Ron White)
Date: Thu May 17 16:56:13 2001
Subject: [thesite] RE: New Stylesheets
In-Reply-To: <07cc01c0df1b$fc7d6040$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com>
Message-ID:
I am trying via browser at the moment since I just got a new box and haven't
loaded a FTP client yet since I haven't had the need til today :-)
Thanks,
Ron White
-----Original Message-----
From michele at wordpro.on.ca Thu May 17 16:59:43 2001
From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster)
Date: Thu May 17 16:59:43 2001
Subject: [thesite] RE: New Stylesheets
References:
Message-ID: <01d901c0df1c$aaacbee0$4be9a1d1@mef>
umm.. I can get into mine without a prob using CuteFTP.
Keep in mind, your UserID and PW for the WEO site is not necessarily the
same as what you set up (requested) for your MEO account. That's why I
suggested that your userid for your meo account is probably ronwhite (unless
you have an email address that was issued well before meo accounts were
given to the general membership).
Just a guess,
Michele
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron White"
| I just got my user Id(RonW) and PW since its been a coon's age since I've
| logged into thesite, but I still can't get into the ftp area. I've tried
| every combo of case that is possible.
|
| Thanks,
| Ron White
|
From michele at wordpro.on.ca Thu May 17 17:04:28 2001
From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster)
Date: Thu May 17 17:04:28 2001
Subject: [thesite] RE: New Stylesheets
References:
Message-ID: <01e201c0df1d$55ba6b20$4be9a1d1@mef>
Ahh ok .. I get an error too trying to log in via FTP with a browser (never
tried that before). I'm getting a permission error, 550.
No clue what to suggest .. except, ummm.. get an FTP program
Michele
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron White"
| I am trying via browser at the moment since I just got a new box and
haven't
| loaded a FTP client yet since I haven't had the need til today :-)
|
| Thanks,
| Ron White
From djc at starkmedia.com Thu May 17 17:06:08 2001
From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody)
Date: Thu May 17 17:06:08 2001
Subject: [thesite] dean, some oracle things again..
References:
Message-ID: <3B044B0C.9304B512@starkmedia.com>
ya, i meant index.. that updated every 5 minutes.. or better yet, a
trigger that rebuilds the index when a an article is updated..
jeff wrote:
>
> djc,
>
> :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> : From: Daniel J. Cody
> :
> : also , the front page query is taking like
> : 20 seconds to run.. can we make a view out
> : of this:?
> :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> we can make a view out of it, but that won't give us any speed increases. a
> view doesn't actually create another table of info to query, it just binds
> together some sql logic into a resultset that can then be queried with
> simpler queries.
>
> my suggestion would be to take that query and make a stored procedure out of
> it. then we'll get the speed of advantage.
>
> my 2c,
>
> .jeff
>
> name://jeff.howden
> game://web.development
> http://www.evolt.org/
> mailto:jeff at members.evolt.org
>
> _______________________________________________
> http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/
> and new & improved kentucky fried old archives:
> http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/
From ronwhite at members.evolt.org Thu May 17 17:07:03 2001
From: ronwhite at members.evolt.org (Ron White)
Date: Thu May 17 17:07:03 2001
Subject: [thesite] RE: New Stylesheets
In-Reply-To: <01d901c0df1c$aaacbee0$4be9a1d1@mef>
Message-ID:
Got Bulletproof and you were correct it is ronwhite....
Thanks,
Ron White
-----Original Message-----
From: thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Michele Foster
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 6:00 PM
To: thesite at lists.evolt.org
Subject: Re: [thesite] RE: New Stylesheets
umm.. I can get into mine without a prob using CuteFTP.
Keep in mind, your UserID and PW for the WEO site is not necessarily the
same as what you set up (requested) for your MEO account. That's why I
suggested that your userid for your meo account is probably ronwhite (unless
you have an email address that was issued well before meo accounts were
given to the general membership).
Just a guess,
Michele
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron White"
| I just got my user Id(RonW) and PW since its been a coon's age since I've
| logged into thesite, but I still can't get into the ftp area. I've tried
| every combo of case that is possible.
|
| Thanks,
| Ron White
|
_______________________________________________
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From djc at starkmedia.com Thu May 17 17:07:18 2001
From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody)
Date: Thu May 17 17:07:18 2001
Subject: [thesite] RE: New Stylesheets
References:
Message-ID: <3B044B56.653859BB@starkmedia.com>
ron - if you're getting your email at ronwhite at members.evolt.org use the
same password to ftp into members.evolt.org :)
Ron White wrote:
>
> I just got my user Id(RonW) and PW since its been a coon's age since I've
> logged into thesite, but I still can't get into the ftp area. I've tried
> every combo of case that is possible.
>
> Thanks,
> Ron White
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org
> [mailto:thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Michele Foster
> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 5:41 PM
> To: thesite at lists.evolt.org
> Subject: Re: [thesite] RE: New Stylesheets
>
> Ron,
>
> I don't have access to look up your info. Dan will have to do that.
>
> In the meantime, yes, that's the correct ftp address (members.evolt.org).
> Looking at your email address, I'm guessing your user ID is ronwhite, PW,
> Dan will have to send that to you.
>
> MEO accounts are case sensitive.
>
> Not sure if this is helpful or not.
>
> Michele
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron White"
>
> | Ok WhereTF do I log into to FTP my files?? I tried ftp://members.evolt.org
> | is that not correct?? Also tried ftp://members.evolt.org/RonW and no
> joy...
>
> _______________________________________________
> http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/
> and new & improved kentucky fried old archives:
> http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/
>
> _______________________________________________
> http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/
> and new & improved kentucky fried old archives:
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From djc at starkmedia.com Thu May 17 17:09:08 2001
From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody)
Date: Thu May 17 17:09:08 2001
Subject: [thesite] dean, some oracle things again..
References: <01b501c0df1c$08d885e0$4003020a@patk3mzsmhxpqb>
Message-ID: <3B044BC3.D6225EA4@starkmedia.com>
werd. ask away.. see about a trigger or something too.. :)
"Warden, Matt" wrote:
>
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> > my suggestion would be to take that query and make a stored
> > procedure out of it. then we'll get the speed of advantage.
>
> +1
>
> We need to do something. weo loads way too slow.
>
> Need me to research Oracle sprocs and write one? I'll need
> dean/dan/rudy/etc to look it over afterwards. I might even be able to
> sweet talk on of the database monkies around here to do it for me...
From ronwhite at members.evolt.org Thu May 17 17:13:33 2001
From: ronwhite at members.evolt.org (Ron White)
Date: Thu May 17 17:13:33 2001
Subject: [thesite] RE: New Stylesheets
In-Reply-To: <3B044B56.653859BB@starkmedia.com>
Message-ID:
Got the files up, but not exactly sure where they are now....
http://members.evolt.org/ronwhite/index.htm doesn't give me anything and
neither does http://members.evolt.org/RonW/index.htm
Geez I feel like a friggin' newbie :-)
Thanks,
Ron White
-----Original Message-----
From: thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Daniel J. Cody
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 6:06 PM
To: thesite at lists.evolt.org
Subject: Re: [thesite] RE: New Stylesheets
ron - if you're getting your email at ronwhite at members.evolt.org use the
same password to ftp into members.evolt.org :)
Ron White wrote:
>
> I just got my user Id(RonW) and PW since its been a coon's age since I've
> logged into thesite, but I still can't get into the ftp area. I've tried
> every combo of case that is possible.
>
> Thanks,
> Ron White
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org
> [mailto:thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Michele Foster
> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 5:41 PM
> To: thesite at lists.evolt.org
> Subject: Re: [thesite] RE: New Stylesheets
>
> Ron,
>
> I don't have access to look up your info. Dan will have to do that.
>
> In the meantime, yes, that's the correct ftp address (members.evolt.org).
> Looking at your email address, I'm guessing your user ID is ronwhite, PW,
> Dan will have to send that to you.
>
> MEO accounts are case sensitive.
>
> Not sure if this is helpful or not.
>
> Michele
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron White"
>
> | Ok WhereTF do I log into to FTP my files?? I tried
ftp://members.evolt.org
> | is that not correct?? Also tried ftp://members.evolt.org/RonW and no
> joy...
>
> _______________________________________________
> http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/
> and new & improved kentucky fried old archives:
> http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/
>
> _______________________________________________
> http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/
> and new & improved kentucky fried old archives:
> http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/
_______________________________________________
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From djc at starkmedia.com Thu May 17 17:18:48 2001
From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody)
Date: Thu May 17 17:18:48 2001
Subject: [thesite] RE: New Stylesheets
References:
Message-ID: <3B044E04.E637D8A0@starkmedia.com>
it should now although its missing some .css files.
oh, you'll need to put the stuff in the public_html folder too for it to
be viewable on the web
:)
Ron White wrote:
>
> Got the files up, but not exactly sure where they are now....
> http://members.evolt.org/ronwhite/index.htm
From McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us Thu May 17 17:19:08 2001
From: McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us (McCreath_David)
Date: Thu May 17 17:19:08 2001
Subject: [thesite] RE: New Stylesheets
Message-ID: <9627DBCB3063D311BC4B00902785C55F02A12790@EXPO1>
Ron,
Your missing the opening bracket on your closing head tag.
You have this: /HEAD>
and it needs to be this:
I can see your page in IE5
David
>-----Original Message-----
>From: thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org
>[mailto:thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Ron White
>Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 2:13 PM
>To: thesite at lists.evolt.org
>Subject: RE: [thesite] RE: New Stylesheets
>
>
>Got the files up, but not exactly sure where they are now....
>http://members.evolt.org/ronwhite/index.htm doesn't give me
>anything and
>neither does http://members.evolt.org/RonW/index.htm
>
>Geez I feel like a friggin' newbie :-)
>
>Thanks,
>Ron White
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org
>[mailto:thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Daniel J. Cody
>Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 6:06 PM
>To: thesite at lists.evolt.org
>Subject: Re: [thesite] RE: New Stylesheets
>
>
>ron - if you're getting your email at
>ronwhite at members.evolt.org use the
>same password to ftp into members.evolt.org :)
>
>Ron White wrote:
>>
>> I just got my user Id(RonW) and PW since its been a coon's
>age since I've
>> logged into thesite, but I still can't get into the ftp
>area. I've tried
>> every combo of case that is possible.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Ron White
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org
>> [mailto:thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Michele Foster
>> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 5:41 PM
>> To: thesite at lists.evolt.org
>> Subject: Re: [thesite] RE: New Stylesheets
>>
>> Ron,
>>
>> I don't have access to look up your info. Dan will have to do that.
>>
>> In the meantime, yes, that's the correct ftp address
>(members.evolt.org).
>> Looking at your email address, I'm guessing your user ID is
>ronwhite, PW,
>> Dan will have to send that to you.
>>
>> MEO accounts are case sensitive.
>>
>> Not sure if this is helpful or not.
>>
>> Michele
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ron White"
>>
>> | Ok WhereTF do I log into to FTP my files?? I tried
>ftp://members.evolt.org
>> | is that not correct?? Also tried
ftp://members.evolt.org/RonW and no
> joy...
>
> _______________________________________________
> http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/
> and new & improved kentucky fried old archives:
> http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/
>
> _______________________________________________
> http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/
> and new & improved kentucky fried old archives:
> http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/
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From joshua at alphashop.net Thu May 17 17:20:03 2001
From: joshua at alphashop.net (Joshua OIson)
Date: Thu May 17 17:20:03 2001
Subject: [thesite] RE: New Stylesheets
References:
Message-ID: <07f601c0df1f$c4fab9c0$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com>
http://members.evolt.org/ronwhite/index.htm worked for me... but you forgot
the closing quotes on the anchors, or something.
-joshua
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron White"
To:
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 6:13 PM
Subject: RE: [thesite] RE: New Stylesheets
> Got the files up, but not exactly sure where they are now....
> http://members.evolt.org/ronwhite/index.htm doesn't give me anything and
> neither does http://members.evolt.org/RonW/index.htm
>
> Geez I feel like a friggin' newbie :-)
>
> Thanks,
> Ron White
From McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us Thu May 17 17:20:19 2001
From: McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us (McCreath_David)
Date: Thu May 17 17:20:19 2001
Subject: [thesite] RE: New Stylesheets
Message-ID: <9627DBCB3063D311BC4B00902785C55F02A12791@EXPO1>
Oops. You also left quotes off your links.
David
>-----Original Message-----
>From: thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org
>[mailto:thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Ron White
>Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 2:13 PM
>To: thesite at lists.evolt.org
>Subject: RE: [thesite] RE: New Stylesheets
>
>
>Got the files up, but not exactly sure where they are now....
>http://members.evolt.org/ronwhite/index.htm doesn't give me
>anything and
>neither does http://members.evolt.org/RonW/index.htm
>
>Geez I feel like a friggin' newbie :-)
>
>Thanks,
>Ron White
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org
>[mailto:thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Daniel J. Cody
>Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 6:06 PM
>To: thesite at lists.evolt.org
>Subject: Re: [thesite] RE: New Stylesheets
>
>
>ron - if you're getting your email at
>ronwhite at members.evolt.org use the
>same password to ftp into members.evolt.org :)
>
>Ron White wrote:
>>
>> I just got my user Id(RonW) and PW since its been a coon's
>age since I've
>> logged into thesite, but I still can't get into the ftp
>area. I've tried
>> every combo of case that is possible.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Ron White
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org
>> [mailto:thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Michele Foster
>> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 5:41 PM
>> To: thesite at lists.evolt.org
>> Subject: Re: [thesite] RE: New Stylesheets
>>
>> Ron,
>>
>> I don't have access to look up your info. Dan will have to do that.
>>
>> In the meantime, yes, that's the correct ftp address
>(members.evolt.org).
>> Looking at your email address, I'm guessing your user ID is
>ronwhite, PW,
>> Dan will have to send that to you.
>>
>> MEO accounts are case sensitive.
>>
>> Not sure if this is helpful or not.
>>
>> Michele
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ron White"
>>
>> | Ok WhereTF do I log into to FTP my files?? I tried
>ftp://members.evolt.org
>> | is that not correct?? Also tried
ftp://members.evolt.org/RonW and no
> joy...
>
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From dsmah at home.com Thu May 17 17:20:38 2001
From: dsmah at home.com (Dean Mah)
Date: Thu May 17 17:20:38 2001
Subject: [thesite] dean, some oracle things again..
In-Reply-To: <3B04458A.7DAAC3D4@starkmedia.com> from "Daniel J. Cody" at May 17, 2001 04:41:30 PM
Message-ID: <200105172224.QAA02061@alice.monkeyland.ca>
Did you do an explain plan for the query? See where you need indexes.
I haven't looked at the configuration yet.
Dean
Daniel J. Cody writes:
> i dunno if you've gotten a chance to peak around on the new oracle box
> yet, but here are a couple things we need to look at..
> buffer cache hit rate is in the 30's - db_block_buffers ?
> parse/execute ratio seems to be too high
>
> also , the front page query is taking like 20 seconds to run.. can we
> make a view out of this:?
>
> SELECT
> content.contentid,
> content.keyphrase,
> content.contentname,
> content.synopsis,
> content.datemod,
> content.replies,
> users.userid,
> users.who,
> categorys.category,
> categorys.categoryid,
> (SELECT Count(*) FROM replies WHERE contentid = content.contentid
> AND datemod > '') AS newcomments
> FROM
> content,
> users,
> categorys
> WHERE
> content.signoff = 1
> AND content.userid = users.userid
> AND content.categoryid <> 23
> AND content.categoryid <> 26
> AND content.categoryid <> 9741
> AND content.categoryid = categorys.categoryid
>
> ORDER BY
> content.datemod DESC,
> content.contentid DESC
From dsmah at home.com Thu May 17 17:23:38 2001
From: dsmah at home.com (Dean Mah)
Date: Thu May 17 17:23:38 2001
Subject: [thesite] dean, some oracle things again..
In-Reply-To: from "jeff" at May 17, 2001 02:47:18 PM
Message-ID: <200105172227.QAA02073@alice.monkeyland.ca>
You might want to take a look at using a materialized view in Oracle
8i. I've never used them before myself but they build summary tables
of data, basically caching.
Dean
jeff writes:
> djc,
>
> :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> : From: Daniel J. Cody
> :
> : also , the front page query is taking like
> : 20 seconds to run.. can we make a view out
> : of this:?
> :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> we can make a view out of it, but that won't give us any speed increases. a
> view doesn't actually create another table of info to query, it just binds
> together some sql logic into a resultset that can then be queried with
> simpler queries.
>
> my suggestion would be to take that query and make a stored procedure out of
> it. then we'll get the speed of advantage.
From ronwhite at members.evolt.org Thu May 17 17:24:23 2001
From: ronwhite at members.evolt.org (Ron White)
Date: Thu May 17 17:24:23 2001
Subject: [thesite] RE: New Stylesheets
In-Reply-To: <07f601c0df1f$c4fab9c0$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com>
Message-ID:
Yep yep yep Only a little embarrASSed now :-) Was using Notepad to be quick
and forgot a couple of close quotes...
Thanks,
Ron White
From dsmah at home.com Thu May 17 17:26:43 2001
From: dsmah at home.com (Dean Mah)
Date: Thu May 17 17:26:43 2001
Subject: [thesite] dean, some oracle things again..
In-Reply-To: <3B044B0C.9304B512@starkmedia.com> from "Daniel J. Cody" at May 17, 2001 05:05:00 PM
Message-ID: <200105172230.QAA02083@alice.monkeyland.ca>
Indexes should be added to automatically on inserts. Rebuilding
indexes usually only helps when the B-tree structure becomes
unbalanced, IIRC.
Run an explain plan on the query and find out where the big hit is.
I'll try to look at the configuration and query tonight.
Dean
Daniel J. Cody writes:
> ya, i meant index.. that updated every 5 minutes.. or better yet, a
> trigger that rebuilds the index when a an article is updated..
From gozz at gozz.com Thu May 17 17:28:28 2001
From: gozz at gozz.com (Erik Mattheis)
Date: Thu May 17 17:28:28 2001
Subject: [thesite] Members' Directory/Pages
In-Reply-To: <078301c0df16$72015b60$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com>
References: <01c0df15$2c2fa0c0$9f49149a@rudy>
<078301c0df16$72015b60$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com>
Message-ID:
Am I correct in interpreting the concept of "resume builder"
literally - a tool to compose an on-line resume?
I just jumped in on this, but it feels to me as if I'm rushing
pell-mell into aspects of technical implementation before I know what
I need to make ... questions in my mind that might deserve discussion:
- Should the "Member Skills" thing be presented as something separate
from a more general member profile? I could see it as a directory
type structure that could be drilled down though with hyperlinks ...
or there could be a member search page on which one could search for
anything about a member.
- Should there be something like a feedback rating or comments from
whoever the member has collaborated with? I could see that being
abused, but could also see it being very useful it it weren't ...
maybe give each member the option of opening their record to having
feedback ... or have something which would only allow feedback to be
posted if both members had something in weo (is weo something like
that, or is it something to track work being done on [x]eo?)
--
- Erik Mattheis
"For best results, pronounce muh THEIGH ess."
(612) 827 3963
From ronwhite at members.evolt.org Thu May 17 17:34:08 2001
From: ronwhite at members.evolt.org (Ron White)
Date: Thu May 17 17:34:08 2001
Subject: [thesite] New Stylesheets
In-Reply-To: <015401c0df0d$5ea340a0$4be9a1d1@mef>
Message-ID:
Ok, now that I've thoroughly made an idiot out of myself, here are the three
styles I came up with. More to come when I crawl out from under my desk :-)
http://members.evolt.org/ronwhite/index.htm
Thanks,
Ron White
From joshua at alphashop.net Thu May 17 17:39:48 2001
From: joshua at alphashop.net (Joshua OIson)
Date: Thu May 17 17:39:48 2001
Subject: [thesite] Members' Directory/Pages
References: <01c0df15$2c2fa0c0$9f49149a@rudy> <078301c0df16$72015b60$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com>
Message-ID: <081401c0df22$85bd1f20$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Erik Mattheis"
Subject: Re: [thesite] Members' Directory/Pages
> Am I correct in interpreting the concept of "resume builder"
> literally - a tool to compose an on-line resume?
I may have jumped the boat a little by bringing that up. I thought I heard
someone mention something like that, but based on what we're saying now it
doesn't fit. Sorry.
> - Should the "Member Skills" thing be presented as something separate
> from a more general member profile? I could see it as a directory
> type structure that could be drilled down though with hyperlinks ...
> or there could be a member search page on which one could search for
> anything about a member.
I think the member's skills concept should be separate from the general
member information solely because general member information is for
identification and the skills concept is more for networking. I like the
"drill-down" idea, but in order to for it to make sense, there would have to
be a lot of heirarchtical information about a user. I didn't see anything
in the schema to group data fragments or otherwise organize them... unless I
missed something.
> - Should there be something like a feedback rating or comments from
> whoever the member has collaborated with? I could see that being
> abused, but could also see it being very useful it it weren't ...
> maybe give each member the option of opening their record to having
> feedback ... or have something which would only allow feedback to be
> posted if both members had something in weo (is weo something like
> that, or is it something to track work being done on [x]eo?)
Very interesting idea. It reminds me of what Ebay does in their seller
rating system. I think they allow a person to erase the comments made about
themselves, but when they do all comments go with them, good and bad. That
way they can protect themselves from slamming, but a sense of fairness is
maintained.
-joshua
From michele at wordpro.on.ca Thu May 17 18:13:08 2001
From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster)
Date: Thu May 17 18:13:08 2001
Subject: [thesite] New Stylesheets
References:
Message-ID: <024401c0df26$ee5e90a0$4be9a1d1@mef>
Hi Ron,
Naw, don't worry about it .. we all have *blonde* days at times (no offence
meant to anyone). :)
As for your suggestions, I like the ideas and concepts. I'm not crazy about
some of the colours you've chosen. Too much "eye-burn", one or more colours
being too bright in hue.
Specifically, fall - gold and green are too bright. Mainly the green is
throwing it off. Ocean I really like, I'd suggest changing the background
blue with the blue used in the main section, then choose a different
(lighter/paler) blue or grey for the main section. Wine is very difficult
to see. The only two colours I like would be the green and the dark plum
for the background. The yellow isn't too bad, but on that pink it's really
hard to read, the black is overpowering, and the grey text impossible to
read.
Constructive criticism, taken in the spirit as asked I hope. :)
Michele
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron White"
| Ok, now that I've thoroughly made an idiot out of myself, here are the
three
| styles I came up with. More to come when I crawl out from under my desk
:-)
|
| http://members.evolt.org/ronwhite/index.htm
From gozz at gozz.com Thu May 17 19:02:48 2001
From: gozz at gozz.com (Erik Mattheis)
Date: Thu May 17 19:02:48 2001
Subject: [thesite] Members' Directory/Pages
In-Reply-To: <081401c0df22$85bd1f20$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com>
References: <01c0df15$2c2fa0c0$9f49149a@rudy>
<078301c0df16$72015b60$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com>
<081401c0df22$85bd1f20$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com>
Message-ID:
> > I could see it as a directory
> > type structure that could be drilled down though with hyperlinks ...
>> or there could be a member search page on which one could search for
> > anything about a member.
>I like the
>"drill-down" idea, but in order to for it to make sense, there would have to
>be a lot of heirarchtical information about a user. I didn't see anything
>in the schema to group data fragments or otherwise organize them... unless I
>missed something.
I meant something where a path to the bottom of a skills directory might be:
backend > cold fusion > custom tags > joshua olson
So there would have to be a lot of hierarchical information about the
skills, but not a specific user.
>I think they allow a person to erase the comments made about
>themselves, but when they do all comments go with them, good and bad. That
>way they can protect themselves from slamming, but a sense of fairness is
>maintained.
Wow, that's a good idea - I wonder if they've patened it ... tee hee.
I find things like that that always have "0"s in them to be
embarrassing, so maybe it would be a good idea to hold off on that
until it starts being used.
--
- Erik Mattheis
"For best results, pronounce muh THEIGH ess."
(612) 827 3963
From joshua at alphashop.net Thu May 17 19:31:28 2001
From: joshua at alphashop.net (Joshua OIson)
Date: Thu May 17 19:31:28 2001
Subject: [thesite] d.e.o. data source
Message-ID: <084a01c0df32$20c341c0$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com>
I was perusing through google's web directory, and they actually have a
pretty good resource. Here's a link down into the directory:
http://directory.google.com/Top/Computers/Programming/Internet/
Mind you, that's not the only set of links applicable to us, but it's a
pretty good cross-section to get an idea of what I am talking about.
It seems that they have what d.e.o is starting to do. They have a pretty
good leg up on d.e.o. as far as the shear volume of information. Is anyone
opposed to stripping the links off of google to give us a swift kick in the
butt?
It may not be a good one, but it's a thought. I doubt very highly they have
copyrighted the list of links.
-joshua
From roselli at earthlink.net Thu May 17 22:15:34 2001
From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark)
Date: Thu May 17 22:15:34 2001
Subject: [thesite] New Stylesheets
In-Reply-To:
References: <015401c0df0d$5ea340a0$4be9a1d1@mef>
Message-ID: <3B045B55.29265.23D73816@localhost>
> From: "Ron White"
[...]
> http://members.evolt.org/ronwhite/index.htm
not bad... a little bright for me, but not bad...
one thing that got me, though, looking at your CSS file(s), is that
your classes and such are in all-caps... no problem for
demonstrating some ideas, but i think it would be good if everyone
followed the existing CSS as a template for how to do it up:
view-source:http://www.evolt.org/evolt/isaac.css
this will just ensure we're all working from the same template and
will still have valid CSS...
you'll notice that the CSS includes all sorts of comments; mostly
they were there to help .jeff map the styles to variable names so he
could write a style changer app... those were unintentionally left in,
but now i'm glad they're there...
as such, you'll see some styles which have comments like "as
BodyTextFace"... this just means that those values should match
the values defined elsewhere... this doesn't mean you *have* to do
that (although i prefer them matched), but i was proposing it that
way for consistency in design elements...
also, some other comments, like "(as %)" or "(include units)"
should hopefully be self-explanatory...
and you saved the HTML through IE, which means it's the post-
parsed HTML as IE sees it, so expect some CSS wonkiness...
if you or anyone else has questions about the CSS, lemme know...
i'm having trouble checking mail during the day, but i will check
eventually reply...
From djc at starkmedia.com Fri May 18 00:58:24 2001
From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody)
Date: Fri May 18 00:58:24 2001
Subject: [thesite] d.e.o. data source
References: <084a01c0df32$20c341c0$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com>
Message-ID: <3B04D7E1.5070007@starkmedia.com>
good idea, but i think that the strength of a directory like ours would
be the absolute focus on it, along with our very well know and respected
self moderated style..
i'd rather hear everyone elses links than what google decides is cool..
*although* i'm sure there are some good links there josh. :)
.djc.
Joshua OIson wrote:
> I was perusing through google's web directory, and they actually have a
> pretty good resource. Here's a link down into the directory:
>
> http://directory.google.com/Top/Computers/Programming/Internet/
From djc at starkmedia.com Fri May 18 01:31:38 2001
From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody)
Date: Fri May 18 01:31:38 2001
Subject: [thesite] friday is a good day..
Message-ID: <3B04DFAC.4000706@starkmedia.com>
i'm takin off work on friday(today) to finish up thewife and to deal
with the insane, but good, amount of traffic on thesite
hopefully lots gets done, if its not too much to ask, can i get a status
report from those of you that are working on projects?(seth, matt, dean,
judith, judah, colette, ron, michele, and anyone i missed ) :)
i'd appreciate, trying to get my - and evolts - ducks in a row :)
.djc.
From mccreath at ak.net Fri May 18 01:39:59 2001
From: mccreath at ak.net (mccreath)
Date: Fri May 18 01:39:59 2001
Subject: [thesite] d.e.o. data source
In-Reply-To: <084a01c0df32$20c341c0$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com>
Message-ID:
> From: Joshua OIson
>
> It seems that they have what d.e.o is starting to do. They have a pretty
> good leg up on d.e.o. as far as the shear volume of information.
That is a pretty good list.
> Is anyone opposed to stripping the links off of google to give us a swift
> kick in the butt?
>
> It may not be a good one, but it's a thought. I doubt very
> highly they have copyrighted the list of links.
Actually, that directory is built using dmoz and they do copyright their
stuff. They have terms of use, and I haven't read all of it, but as Dan
said, let's build the evolt directory, ya know?
Once it's up and available, it won't take any time at all for it to get
filled up.
David
From mccreath at ak.net Fri May 18 02:40:25 2001
From: mccreath at ak.net (mccreath)
Date: Fri May 18 02:40:25 2001
Subject: [thesite] new color schemes
Message-ID:
Okay, it's been a while since I played with this stuff. Thanks to Ron for
lighting the fire today. The link below has a visual history of the
stylesheet for evolt's many sites, along with some new ones to grease the
creative gears.
If you'd like to play along, you can download example files and the default
stylesheet in a zip archive on this same page. (The zip that Michelle posted
earlier had some IE artifacts in the HTML and lost all the comments on the
stylesheet.)
http://members.evolt.org/mccreath/evolt/colorschemes/
aardvark is the original author of the default stylesheet.
Have fun.
David
From gozz at gozz.com Fri May 18 04:50:40 2001
From: gozz at gozz.com (Erik Mattheis)
Date: Fri May 18 04:50:40 2001
Subject: [thesite] Re: [thelist] got a minute for evolt?
In-Reply-To: <3B04EBA1.7080309@starkmedia.com>
References: <3B04E67F.7010109@members.evolt.org>
<3B04EBA1.7080309@starkmedia.com>
Message-ID:
>>http://members.evolt.org/Mishka/evoltfiles.zip
I believe I see an unclosed comment on line 157
--
- Erik Mattheis
"For best results, pronounce muh THEIGH ess."
(612) 827 3963
From mwarden at odyssey-design.com Fri May 18 06:10:41 2001
From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt)
Date: Fri May 18 06:10:41 2001
Subject: [thesite] friday is a good day..
References: <3B04DFAC.4000706@starkmedia.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c0df8b$3aa0aa70$93ac1b18@patk3mzsmhxpqb>
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> hopefully lots gets done, if its not too much to ask, can i get a
> status report from those of you that are working on
> projects?(seth, matt, dean, judith, judah, colette, ron, michele,
> and anyone i missed ) :)
jetting off at the moment, but I'm waiting on the new weo box. you
get my email? then, I have an idea or two I want to run by you that I
THINK will help us down the road with different user databases.
- --
mattwarden
mattwarden.com
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From ronwhite at members.evolt.org Fri May 18 07:15:26 2001
From: ronwhite at members.evolt.org (Ron White)
Date: Fri May 18 07:15:26 2001
Subject: [thesite] New Stylesheets
In-Reply-To: <024401c0df26$ee5e90a0$4be9a1d1@mef>
Message-ID:
Oh, I knew the wine was a bit much :-) That was my first true effort at a
color scheme. I much prefer the ocean one but I *knew* I shoulda put a
different BG on it. I'll work on them later today and try some others as
well... Practice makes perfect after all :-)
Thanks,
Ron White
From ronwhite at members.evolt.org Fri May 18 07:23:01 2001
From: ronwhite at members.evolt.org (Ron White)
Date: Fri May 18 07:23:01 2001
Subject: [thesite] New Stylesheets
In-Reply-To: <3B045B55.29265.23D73816@localhost>
Message-ID:
They're in all CAPS because the isaac.css Michelle put in the .zip is all
CAPS. I didn't edit them... I'll get the proper template and make it my base
and use that when I re-do the pages...
Thanks,
Ron White
one thing that got me, though, looking at your CSS file(s), is that
your classes and such are in all-caps...
From ronwhite at members.evolt.org Fri May 18 07:28:26 2001
From: ronwhite at members.evolt.org (Ron White)
Date: Fri May 18 07:28:26 2001
Subject: [thesite] friday is a good day..
In-Reply-To: <3B04DFAC.4000706@starkmedia.com>
Message-ID:
Not sure if you are referring to me or one of the other Rons, but I'm just
doing some new stylesheets. Three are up (need some touch ups) and should
maybe have another 3-6 later today through the weekend...
Thanks,
Ron White
hopefully lots gets done, if its not too much to ask, can i get a status
report from those of you that are working on projects?(seth, matt, dean,
judith, judah, colette, ron, michele, and anyone i missed ) :)
From roselli at earthlink.net Fri May 18 07:54:46 2001
From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark)
Date: Fri May 18 07:54:46 2001
Subject: [thesite] New Stylesheets
In-Reply-To:
References: <3B045B55.29265.23D73816@localhost>
Message-ID: <3B04E2BE.20164.25E84064@localhost>
> From: "Ron White"
>
> They're in all CAPS because the isaac.css Michelle put in the .zip is
> all CAPS. I didn't edit them... I'll get the proper template and make
> it my base and use that when I re-do the pages...
really? michelle? where'd you grab that CSS file? and is it the
latest one?
From colette at wi.rr.com Fri May 18 07:59:11 2001
From: colette at wi.rr.com (Colette Brown)
Date: Fri May 18 07:59:11 2001
Subject: [thesite] friday is a good day..
In-Reply-To: <3B04DFAC.4000706@starkmedia.com>
References: <3B04DFAC.4000706@starkmedia.com>
Message-ID: <152531574.20010518075909@wi.rr.com>
Friday, May 18, 2001, 3:39:08 AM, Daniel J. Cody (djc at starkmedia.com) wrote:
> can i get a status
> report from those of you that are working on projects?(seth, matt, dean,
> judith, judah, colette, ron, michele, and anyone i missed ) :)
I'm still not working on anything, because I hadn't heard from anyone.
You had mentioned a project that Simon is working on. Should I get
in touch with him? What's his email address?
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
Colette Brown
Blog: http://ziatroyano.org
From michele at wordpro.on.ca Fri May 18 08:03:51 2001
From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster)
Date: Fri May 18 08:03:51 2001
Subject: [thesite] new color schemes
References:
Message-ID: <002801c0df9a$fa999260$7be9a1d1@mef>
David,
Sorry about that .. :(
I posted your files on my server as well (with the name I had originally
given out). I'll take responsibility and fix any new colour versions
created with the incorrect stylesheet with the correct one.
Michele
----- Original Message -----
From: "mccreath"
| If you'd like to play along, you can download example files and the
default
| stylesheet in a zip archive on this same page. (The zip that Michelle
posted
| earlier had some IE artifacts in the HTML and lost all the comments on the
| stylesheet.)
|
| http://members.evolt.org/mccreath/evolt/colorschemes/
|
From ppxsjc1 at unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk Fri May 18 08:07:16 2001
From: ppxsjc1 at unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk (Simon Coggins)
Date: Fri May 18 08:07:16 2001
Subject: [thesite] friday is a good day..
In-Reply-To: <152531574.20010518075909@wi.rr.com>
Message-ID:
Hi Colette,
> I'm still not working on anything, because I hadn't heard from anyone.
> You had mentioned a project that Simon is working on. Should I get
> in touch with him? What's his email address?
That would be me. I'm planning to spend some time over the weekend making
some changes to the code based on feedback from thelist. Any help would be
appreciated - I'll get in touch offlist.
Regards,
Simon
From michele at wordpro.on.ca Fri May 18 08:09:16 2001
From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster)
Date: Fri May 18 08:09:16 2001
Subject: [thesite] New Stylesheets
References: <3B045B55.29265.23D73816@localhost> <3B04E2BE.20164.25E84064@localhost>
Message-ID: <003101c0df9b$c06f04c0$7be9a1d1@mef>
I did a file save as in IE .. to lift all files off the page. For whatever
reason, doing that completely messed up the CSS format, comments etc. in the
original css file. Thinking about it after the fact, I guess it makes sense
that the CSS is parsed and all comments are stripped and it is rewritten in
a format that IE likes.
I've corrected my file with David's version.
Again, sorry folks.
Michele
----- Original Message -----
From: "aardvark"
|
| really? michelle? where'd you grab that CSS file? and is it the
| latest one?
|
From michele at wordpro.on.ca Fri May 18 08:21:21 2001
From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster)
Date: Fri May 18 08:21:21 2001
Subject: [thesite] Re: [thelist] got a minute for evolt?
References: <3B04E67F.7010109@members.evolt.org> <3B04EBA1.7080309@starkmedia.com>
Message-ID: <004801c0df9d$6f1b6620$7be9a1d1@mef>
Erik,
What are you referring too?
Thanks,
Michele
----- Original Message -----
From: "Erik Mattheis"
| >>http://members.evolt.org/Mishka/evoltfiles.zip
|
| I believe I see an unclosed comment on line 157
From michele at wordpro.on.ca Fri May 18 08:23:16 2001
From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster)
Date: Fri May 18 08:23:16 2001
Subject: [thesite] new color schemes
References:
Message-ID: <004b01c0df9d$b6ce3240$7be9a1d1@mef>
David,
The new ones are great, except for neon spring which does nothing for me
Matt, have a look at foody?
Michele
----- Original Message -----
From: "mccreath"
| Okay, it's been a while since I played with this stuff. Thanks to Ron for
| lighting the fire today. The link below has a visual history of the
| stylesheet for evolt's many sites, along with some new ones to grease the
| creative gears.
|
| http://members.evolt.org/mccreath/evolt/colorschemes/
From mccreath at ak.net Fri May 18 08:35:41 2001
From: mccreath at ak.net (mccreath)
Date: Fri May 18 08:35:41 2001
Subject: [thesite] New Stylesheets
In-Reply-To: <003101c0df9b$c06f04c0$7be9a1d1@mef>
Message-ID:
> From: Michele Foster
>
> I did a file save as in IE .. to lift all files off the page.
[...]
> I've corrected my file with David's version.
>
> Again, sorry folks.
Nothing to apologize for, Michele. Thanks for doing it in the first place.
It's a good idea. And FWIW, opening the stylesheet in ANY Microsoft interent
product (interdev, frontpage, etc) is going to screw up the formatting and
wipe the comments.
Dreamweaver's CSS editor doesn't mess anything up, but you also can't edit
the psuedo classes.
David
From ronwhite at members.evolt.org Fri May 18 08:42:16 2001
From: ronwhite at members.evolt.org (Ron White)
Date: Fri May 18 08:42:16 2001
Subject: [thesite] new color schemes
In-Reply-To: <002801c0df9a$fa999260$7be9a1d1@mef>
Message-ID:
Don't worry about mine, they're already in fixin' mode :-) Ocean had been
reposted already and the other two need more work than just formatting so
they'll be up later...
Thanks,
Ron White
I'll take responsibility and fix any new colour versions
created with the incorrect stylesheet with the correct one.
From gozz at gozz.com Fri May 18 08:46:41 2001
From: gozz at gozz.com (Erik Mattheis)
Date: Fri May 18 08:46:41 2001
Subject: [thesite] Re: [thelist] got a minute for evolt?
In-Reply-To: <004801c0df9d$6f1b6620$7be9a1d1@mef>
References: <3B04E67F.7010109@members.evolt.org>
<3B04EBA1.7080309@starkmedia.com>
<004801c0df9d$6f1b6620$7be9a1d1@mef>
Message-ID:
These are lines 157 and 158 of isaac.css in evoltfiles.zip which djc posted to thelist last night:
font-weight : bold ; /*
font-family : Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif ; /* as BodyTextFace */
An unclosed comment ... it comments out that style definition and the two below it - these are the last the definition in the file.
It's like that on the site too. [bug]
>What are you referring too?
>
>| >>http://members.evolt.org/Mishka/evoltfiles.zip
>|
>| I believe I see an unclosed comment on line 157
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/
>and new & improved kentucky fried old archives:
>http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/
--
- Erik Mattheis
"For best results, pronounce muh THEIGH ess."
(612) 827 3963
From ronwhite at members.evolt.org Fri May 18 08:49:56 2001
From: ronwhite at members.evolt.org (Ron White)
Date: Fri May 18 08:49:56 2001
Subject: [thesite] new color schemes
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID:
http://members.evolt.org/ronwhite/index.htm
Ocean and Wine are updated... Fall will be updated in about an hour or so...
Have to do some real (paying) work for a bit :-)
On the wine, I wasn't especially happy with the title 2 text color, but it
was the one I disliked the least... any suggestions??
So you don't have to check source its the grey-green text on the magenta...
Thanks,
Ron White
From mccreath at ak.net Fri May 18 08:54:21 2001
From: mccreath at ak.net (mccreath)
Date: Fri May 18 08:54:21 2001
Subject: [thesite] even more new schemes
Message-ID:
2 more from isaac, another rendering of the classic evolt look by elfur
http://members.evolt.org/mccreath/evolt/colorschemes/
David
From michele at wordpro.on.ca Fri May 18 09:00:41 2001
From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster)
Date: Fri May 18 09:00:41 2001
Subject: CSS small error .... was .... Re: [thesite] Re: [thelist] got a minute for evolt?
References: <3B04E67F.7010109@members.evolt.org> <3B04EBA1.7080309@starkmedia.com> <004801c0df9d$6f1b6620$7be9a1d1@mef>
Message-ID: <008e01c0dfa2$f1d2e480$7be9a1d1@mef>
Ok,
I just double checked the original file (the GOOD one, not the IE parsed
version)
Here's the code snippet :
a.title:visited { text-decoration : none ; /* HomePageArticleTitleLink */
font-weight : bold ; /*
font-family : Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif ; /* as BodyTextFace
*/
font-size : 15px ;
color : #666666 ; } /* as H3TextSize (include units) */
My text editor is showing that the entire font-family line is commented out.
David or Adrian, is that the intent? Or should we just modify the second
line so that the comment is (a) deleted or (b) replaced with /* -- */ ?
I don't have access to original files, David, can you check/verify this
across the CSS in use? (If needed of course )
Thanks Erik for pointing it out.
Michele
----- Original Message -----
From: "Erik Mattheis"
To:
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 9:46 AM
Subject: Re: [thesite] Re: [thelist] got a minute for evolt?
| These are lines 157 and 158 of isaac.css in evoltfiles.zip which djc
posted to thelist last night:
|
| font-weight : bold ; /*
| font-family : Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif ; /* as BodyTextFace
*/
|
| An unclosed comment ... it comments out that style definition and the two
below it - these are the last the definition in the file.
|
| It's like that on the site too. [bug]
|
From michele at wordpro.on.ca Fri May 18 09:07:46 2001
From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster)
Date: Fri May 18 09:07:46 2001
Subject: [thesite] even more new schemes
References:
Message-ID: <009501c0dfa3$edc751e0$7be9a1d1@mef>
David,
On Elfur's can you fix , its not showing up... black on black. I
think I have a use for this one .. hmmm.
Michele
----- Original Message -----
From: "mccreath"
| 2 more from isaac, another rendering of the classic evolt look by elfur
|
| http://members.evolt.org/mccreath/evolt/colorschemes/
|
| David
From rthigpen at nc.rr.com Fri May 18 09:10:06 2001
From: rthigpen at nc.rr.com (Ron Thigpen)
Date: Fri May 18 09:10:06 2001
Subject: [thesite] New Stylesheets
References:
Message-ID: <3B052D40.D2DCACB3@nc.rr.com>
This page needs a closing table tag . As it is, it doesn't render at
all in NN4.76.
--rt
Ron White wrote:
> http://members.evolt.org/ronwhite/index.htm
From ronwhite at members.evolt.org Fri May 18 09:30:07 2001
From: ronwhite at members.evolt.org (Ron White)
Date: Fri May 18 09:30:07 2001
Subject: [thesite] New Stylesheets
In-Reply-To: <3B052D40.D2DCACB3@nc.rr.com>
Message-ID:
Get a more forgiving browser :-) It's fixed...
Thanks,
Ron White
-----Original Message-----
From: thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Ron Thigpen
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 10:10 AM
To: thesite at lists.evolt.org
Subject: Re: [thesite] New Stylesheets
This page needs a closing table tag . As it is, it doesn't render
at
all in NN4.76.
--rt
Ron White wrote:
> http://members.evolt.org/ronwhite/index.htm
_______________________________________________
http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/
and new & improved kentucky fried old archives:
http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/
From ronwhite at members.evolt.org Fri May 18 09:32:12 2001
From: ronwhite at members.evolt.org (Ron White)
Date: Fri May 18 09:32:12 2001
Subject: [thesite] New Stylesheets
In-Reply-To: <024401c0df26$ee5e90a0$4be9a1d1@mef>
Message-ID:
Ok fall is now updated...
Thanks,
Ron White
http://members.evolt.org/ronwhite/index.htm
From judi at frognet.net Fri May 18 10:10:22 2001
From: judi at frognet.net (Judith Taylor)
Date: Fri May 18 10:10:22 2001
Subject: [thesite] friday is a good day..
In-Reply-To: <3B04DFAC.4000706@starkmedia.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010518082349.00a52270@mail.frognet.net>
I hope to be able to get more done this weekend. I'm trying to make
intelligent comments and so it's a bit slow going as I'm not familiar with
the flow of the site...comments I make tend to deal with what is calling
what and being called where for why. That sounds more complicated than it
is - really! :o) Been doing a lot of back and forth with the
files....trimming out the unused files in the 'root' dir helped. :o)
Judith
Daniel J. Cody put into words:
>i'm takin off work on friday(today) to finish up thewife and to deal with
>the insane, but good, amount of traffic on thesite
>
>hopefully lots gets done, if its not too much to ask, can i get a status
>report from those of you that are working on projects?(seth, matt, dean,
>judith, judah, colette, ron, michele, and anyone i missed ) :)
>
>i'd appreciate, trying to get my - and evolts - ducks in a row :)
>
>.djc.
Judith Taylor
ICQ: 67460562
Freelance ColdFusion Developer - Athens, OH
Friends don't let friends code before coffee.
From dsmah at home.com Fri May 18 10:17:27 2001
From: dsmah at home.com (Dean Mah)
Date: Fri May 18 10:17:27 2001
Subject: [thesite] friday is a good day..
In-Reply-To: <3B04DFAC.4000706@starkmedia.com> from "Daniel J. Cody" at May 18, 2001 01:39:08 AM
Message-ID: <200105181521.JAA01269@alice.monkeyland.ca>
I added some indexes but it didn't speed up the query noticeably. I
removed the nested query and it ran sub 3 seconds. We need to rewrite
the query so that it doesn't require the nested one.
Dean
Daniel J. Cody writes:
> i'm takin off work on friday(today) to finish up thewife and to deal
> with the insane, but good, amount of traffic on thesite
>
> hopefully lots gets done, if its not too much to ask, can i get a status
> report from those of you that are working on projects?(seth, matt, dean,
> judith, judah, colette, ron, michele, and anyone i missed ) :)
>
> i'd appreciate, trying to get my - and evolts - ducks in a row :)
From seth at sethbienek.com Fri May 18 11:09:12 2001
From: seth at sethbienek.com (Seth Bienek)
Date: Fri May 18 11:09:12 2001
Subject: [thesite] friday is a good day..
In-Reply-To: <3B04DFAC.4000706@starkmedia.com>
Message-ID:
> can i get a status
> report from those of you that are working on projects?(seth,...
I should have the MBOX Mporter (cool name, eh? I made that up just now) and the tip parser complete by the end of this weekend. WooHoo!
W3rd (to ya mutha),
Seth
------------------------------
Seth Bienek
Solutions Development Manager
Stonebridge Technologies, Inc.
972.455.7294 tel
972.404.9754 fax
ICQ #7673959
------------------------------
From r937 at interlog.com Fri May 18 11:31:07 2001
From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy)
Date: Fri May 18 11:31:07 2001
Subject: [thesite] friday is a good day..
Message-ID: <01c0dfb7$7ac95d00$1e50149a@rudy>
> We need to rewrite the query so that it doesn't require the nested one.
i think you will find the alternative equally slow, because the alternative
is a LEFT JOIN with a GROUP BY on all the columns other than the Count(*)
i think the problem is the sheer volume of calls to the nested (correlated)
query, due to the number of articles returned
SELECT
content.contentid,
content.keyphrase,
content.contentname,
content.synopsis,
content.datemod,
content.replies,
WHERE
content.signoff = 1
AND content.categoryid <> 23
AND content.categoryid <> 26
AND content.categoryid <> 9741
i.e. all the active articles not in those three categories
so far so good, except for the fact that it will return about a thousand
articles
disclaimer: i don't know what the page is doing, whether it is caching the
results and/or how it is stepping through the "next 10 pages" so it might
be legitimate to go get all the articles -- but if the "next" type links do
*not* use cache and instead go and query the database again, then the above
is truly wasteful, and we should consider putting a date check on it to get
only the most recent articles or something
okay, now join to the user and category records
these joins go "from the many to the one" in the 1-to-many user-article and
category-article relationships, therefore these additional joins do not
increase the number of records in the result set --
SELECT
content.[columns],
users.[columns],
categorys.[columns]
FROM
content,
users,
categorys
WHERE
[content filters]
AND content.userid = users.userid
AND content.categoryid = categorys.categoryid
in anticipation of needing outer joins on this and other queries throughout
the site, we should try rewriting them using the sql92 syntax (or whatever
it's called) --
SELECT
content.[columns],
users.[columns],
categorys.[columns]
FROM
content
INNER JOIN users
ON content.userid = users.userid
INNER JOIN categorys
ON content.categoryid = categorys.categoryid
WHERE
[content filters]
now the way to add the nested query to the comments table would be as
follows --
SELECT
content.[columns],
users.[columns],
categorys.[columns],
Count(*) AS newcomments
FROM
content
INNER JOIN users
ON content.userid = users.userid
INNER JOIN categorys
ON content.categoryid = categorys.categoryid
LEFT JOIN replies
ON content.contentid = replies.contentid
WHERE
[content filters]
AND replies.datemod > ''
GROUP BY
content.[columns],
users.[columns],
categorys.[columns]
this is now going "from the one to the many" (if you know what i mean),
consequently you need the GROUP BY in order to keep the result set to one
row per article
i would be interested to see if oracle actually does better on this query
than the one using the nested correlated subquery, but my guess is it will
be just as slow
another alternative, and one that i personally think has a chance of maybe
performing really well, is to get the number of article comments in a
UNION -- but this requires that the page that is handling the result set be
changed, in order to handle the "extra rows" in the result set --
SELECT
content.contentid,
content.keyphrase,
content.contentname,
content.synopsis,
content.datemod,
content.replies,
users.[columns],
categorys.[columns]
FROM
content
INNER JOIN users
ON content.userid = users.userid
INNER JOIN categorys
ON content.categoryid = categorys.categoryid
WHERE
[content filters]
UNION ALL
SELECT
content.contentid,
' ',
'ZZZZZZZZZZZ',
' ',
content.datemod,
Count(replies.contentid)
, [more blanks or zeroes]
FROM
content
LEFT JOIN replies
ON content.contentid = replies.contentid
WHERE
[content filters]
GROUP BY
content.contentid,
content.datemod
ORDER BY
content.datemod DESC,
content.contentid DESC,
content.contentname DESC
with this approach, the page would use CFOUTPUT GROUP= and trap the
ZZZZZZZ row, which would come ahead of the "real" content row
the only advantage to doing this is that the GROUP BY is not performed in
the midst of a 4-way table join, rather only a 2-way join, which the
database engine might find a bit easier to do
however, my first attempt at query optimization would be to restrict the
query to returning no more rows than the page will display, if indeed the
"next 10 articles" feature does go back to the database...
does oracle support anything like microsoft's SELECT TOP or mysql's LIMIT?
rudy
From r937 at interlog.com Fri May 18 11:38:17 2001
From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy)
Date: Fri May 18 11:38:17 2001
Subject: [thesite] friday is a good day..
Message-ID: <01c0dfb8$e5d9b300$1e50149a@rudy>
sorry for the long post just now
i got so carried away with the sql, i forgot to ask the most fundamental
question --
the nested query contains
WHERE replies.datemod > ''
that cannot be right, can it?
what's going on with that field?
i thought content.replies is supposed to hold the number of comments on the
article
so what is the nested subquery for??
surely it's not the number of recent replies, is it?
heck, that's not what the datemod field is...
rudy
From dsmah at home.com Fri May 18 11:59:48 2001
From: dsmah at home.com (Dean Mah)
Date: Fri May 18 11:59:48 2001
Subject: [thesite] friday is a good day..
In-Reply-To: <01c0dfb8$e5d9b300$1e50149a@rudy> from "rudy" at May 18, 2001 12:37:58 PM
Message-ID: <200105181703.LAA01585@alice.monkeyland.ca>
Sorry, I don't know what that is for. It looked really strange to me
as well. Dan said he pulled it straight from CF's debugging stuff.
Anyway, I've added indexes and the query runs in 8.5 seconds which is
half of what it was. The front page comes up a lot quicker now.
Does the Oracle box really only have 64MB of RAM?!! That's not
enough. Oracle's minimum requirement is 128MB or 256MB. I couldn't
increase buffer cache by that much. I think the buffer cache hit
ratio is still around 30% which is way too low. It should be up in
the 80-90% range.
Dean
rudy writes:
> sorry for the long post just now
>
> i got so carried away with the sql, i forgot to ask the most fundamental
> question --
>
> the nested query contains
>
> WHERE replies.datemod > ''
>
> that cannot be right, can it?
>
> what's going on with that field?
>
> i thought content.replies is supposed to hold the number of comments on the
> article
>
> so what is the nested subquery for??
>
> surely it's not the number of recent replies, is it?
>
> heck, that's not what the datemod field is...
From dsmah at home.com Fri May 18 12:05:58 2001
From: dsmah at home.com (Dean Mah)
Date: Fri May 18 12:05:58 2001
Subject: [thesite] dean, some oracle things again..
In-Reply-To: <3B04458A.7DAAC3D4@starkmedia.com> from "Daniel J. Cody" at May 17, 2001 04:41:30 PM
Message-ID: <200105181709.LAA01603@alice.monkeyland.ca>
Okay, I lied. The buffer cache hit ratio is up to 99%. It looks good
now. I doubled the number of db_block_buffers. The SGA is now taking
up around 44MB on RAM.
Dean
Daniel J. Cody writes:
> i dunno if you've gotten a chance to peak around on the new oracle
> box yet, but here are a couple things we need to look at.. buffer
> cache hit rate is in the 30's - db_block_buffers ? parse/execute
> ratio seems to be too high
From dsmah at home.com Fri May 18 12:31:38 2001
From: dsmah at home.com (Dean Mah)
Date: Fri May 18 12:31:38 2001
Subject: [thesite] friday is a good day..
In-Reply-To: <01c0dfb7$7ac95d00$1e50149a@rudy> from "rudy" at May 18, 2001 12:27:49 PM
Message-ID: <200105181735.LAA01675@alice.monkeyland.ca>
Long message ahead....
First let me say, I love the way you broke that query down. You are
the SQL god.
I wrote your query like this:
SELECT content.contentid, content.keyphrase, content.contentname,
content.synopsis, content.datemod, content.replies, users.userid,
users.who, categorys.category, categorys.categoryid,
Count(*) AS newcomments
FROM users, content, categorys, replies
WHERE content.signoff = 1 AND content.userid = users.userid
AND content.categoryid <> 23 AND content.categoryid <> 26
AND content.categoryid <> 9741 AND content.categoryid = categorys.categoryid
AND content.contentid = replies.contentid (+)
GROUP BY content.contentid, content.keyphrase, content.contentname,
content.synopsis, content.datemod, content.replies, users.userid,
users.who, categorys.category, categorys.categoryid
It ran marginally faster. If SQL*Plus's timing features can be
trusted. The original CF query (2 runs) ran at: 8.71 and 9.06. Your
query ran at: 8.35 and 8.40.
Oracle optimizes the queries into almost exactly the same thing.
The CF query looked like:
SELECT STATEMENT Cost =
SORT ORDER BY
NESTED LOOPS
NESTED LOOPS
TABLE ACCESS FULL CATEGORYS
TABLE ACCESS BY INDEX ROWID CONTENT
INDEX RANGE SCAN CONTENT_CATID
TABLE ACCESS BY INDEX ROWID USERS
INDEX UNIQUE SCAN SYS_C001208
While your query looked like:
SELECT STATEMENT Cost =
SORT GROUP BY
NESTED LOOPS OUTER
NESTED LOOPS
NESTED LOOPS
TABLE ACCESS FULL CATEGORYS
TABLE ACCESS BY INDEX ROWID CONTENT
INDEX RANGE SCAN CONTENT_CATID
TABLE ACCESS BY INDEX ROWID USERS
INDEX UNIQUE SCAN SYS_C001208
INDEX RANGE SCAN REPLIES_CONTID
In Oracle you do outer joins by marking the table with (+). I don't
think, at least in Oracle7, that SQL92's outer join syntax is
supported.
In Oracle7 there wasn't any conception on the SELECT TOP or LIMIT as I
understand them. You can try using Oracle's rownum or rowid but I
don't think that it will get you exactly what you want.
Dean
rudy writes:
> > We need to rewrite the query so that it doesn't require the nested one.
>
> i think you will find the alternative equally slow, because the
> alternative is a LEFT JOIN with a GROUP BY on all the columns other
> than the Count(*)
>
> i would be interested to see if oracle actually does better on this query
> than the one using the nested correlated subquery, but my guess is it will
> be just as slow
>
> does oracle support anything like microsoft's SELECT TOP or mysql's LIMIT?
From ronw at marathoninnovations.com Fri May 18 12:42:58 2001
From: ronw at marathoninnovations.com (Ron White)
Date: Fri May 18 12:42:58 2001
Subject: [thesite] default page
Message-ID:
What is the default page for our directories? Neither index.htm nor
default.htm work. Do I need to specify one locally?? If so, can someone do
some splainin on what needs to be done?? Haven't learned enuff 'nix and
Apache yet...
Thanks,
Ron White
From McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us Fri May 18 12:47:08 2001
From: McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us (McCreath_David)
Date: Fri May 18 12:47:08 2001
Subject: [thesite] default page
Message-ID: <9627DBCB3063D311BC4B00902785C55F02A127A7@EXPO1>
Hi, Ron
try index.html
David
>-----Original Message-----
>From: thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org
>[mailto:thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Ron White
>Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 9:42 AM
>To: thesite at lists.evolt.org
>Subject: [thesite] default page
>
>
>What is the default page for our directories? Neither index.htm nor
>default.htm work. Do I need to specify one locally?? If so,
>can someone do
>some splainin on what needs to be done?? Haven't learned enuff 'nix and
>Apache yet...
>
>Thanks,
>Ron White
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/
>and new & improved kentucky fried old archives:
>http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/
>
From john at userfrenzy.com Fri May 18 12:47:38 2001
From: john at userfrenzy.com (John Handelaar)
Date: Fri May 18 12:47:38 2001
Subject: [thesite] default page
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID:
you want .htmL
> -----Original Message-----
> From: thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org
> [mailto:thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Ron White
> Sent: 18 May 2001 18:42
> To: thesite at lists.evolt.org
> Subject: [thesite] default page
>
>
> What is the default page for our directories? Neither index.htm nor
> default.htm work.
From ronwhite at members.evolt.org Fri May 18 13:04:28 2001
From: ronwhite at members.evolt.org (Ron White)
Date: Fri May 18 13:04:28 2001
Subject: New Style was RE: [thesite] default page
In-Reply-To: <9627DBCB3063D311BC4B00902785C55F02A127A7@EXPO1>
Message-ID:
Kewl, I was going to try that next, but figgered it'd be easier to just ask
:-)
I've added another style BTW. http://members.evolt.org/ronwhite/
Thanks,
Ron White
-----Original Message-----
From: thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of McCreath_David
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 1:47 PM
To: 'thesite at lists.evolt.org'
Subject: RE: [thesite] default page
Hi, Ron
try index.html
David
>-----Original Message-----
>From: thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org
>[mailto:thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Ron White
>Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 9:42 AM
>To: thesite at lists.evolt.org
>Subject: [thesite] default page
>
>
>What is the default page for our directories? Neither index.htm nor
>default.htm work. Do I need to specify one locally?? If so,
>can someone do
>some splainin on what needs to be done?? Haven't learned enuff 'nix and
>Apache yet...
>
>Thanks,
>Ron White
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/
>and new & improved kentucky fried old archives:
>http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/
>
_______________________________________________
http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/
and new & improved kentucky fried old archives:
http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/
From joshua at alphashop.net Fri May 18 14:11:53 2001
From: joshua at alphashop.net (Joshua OIson)
Date: Fri May 18 14:11:53 2001
Subject: [thesite] friday is a good day..
References: <200105181735.LAA01675@alice.monkeyland.ca>
Message-ID: <09d001c0dfce$a69a4900$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com>
Quick comment that *may* help. The query used to drive the front end is
using 3 conditionals to exclude categories. Would it possibly be faster to
add a flag to the category to indicate whether it should be included on the
front of the site, thereby reducing the number of comparisons and allowing
you to maybe even use an index (maybe clustered) on that flag?
Also, there was talk about an Oracle Equivalent to LIMIT TO, etc. Does the
CF maxrows not do the same thing? I do a lot of work in a Sybase
environment and it seems to help alot for huge tables.
Just some thoughts. Sorry they're not real specific at this time.
-joshua
> I wrote your query like this:
>
>
> SELECT content.contentid, content.keyphrase, content.contentname,
> content.synopsis, content.datemod, content.replies, users.userid,
> users.who, categorys.category, categorys.categoryid,
> Count(*) AS newcomments
> FROM users, content, categorys, replies
> WHERE content.signoff = 1 AND content.userid = users.userid
> AND content.categoryid <> 23 AND content.categoryid <> 26
> AND content.categoryid <> 9741 AND content.categoryid =
categorys.categoryid
> AND content.contentid = replies.contentid (+)
> GROUP BY content.contentid, content.keyphrase, content.contentname,
> content.synopsis, content.datemod, content.replies, users.userid,
> users.who, categorys.category, categorys.categoryid
From mwarden at odyssey-design.com Fri May 18 14:32:29 2001
From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt)
Date: Fri May 18 14:32:29 2001
Subject: [thesite] friday is a good day..
References: <200105181735.LAA01675@alice.monkeyland.ca> <09d001c0dfce$a69a4900$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com>
Message-ID: <01a501c0dfd1$532f1f90$93ac1b18@patk3mzsmhxpqb>
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> Quick comment that *may* help. The query used to drive the front
> end is using 3 conditionals to exclude categories. Would it
> possibly be faster to add a flag to the category to indicate
> whether it should be included on the front of the site, thereby
> reducing the number of comparisons and allowing you to maybe even
> use an index (maybe clustered) on that flag?
rudy, is it in the plans to use a PRIV column on categories?
Truthfully, it might not be the intended use and I can see you
telling me we shouldn't use the PRIV column for this, BUT setting the
priv of those categories to 3 (or 5 if you want to have it not
displayed for anyone) could keep them out of things like the front
page, headlines mailers, XML headline feeds, etc. The only problem I
see is if we ever get into showing or not showing an article based on
the PRIV of its category (not sure why we would do this since the
article itself would have a PRIV).
Where is the latest database design diagram (heh, yes, I remember you
told me you hadn't updated in a while. and this certainly isn't me
trying to get you to do that *cough*)? Getting the PRIV system in
place will solve a good number of problems, IMO. AFAIK, it's only
being used for admin-type stuff.
r0ck,
- --
mattwarden
mattwarden.com
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From ronwhite at members.evolt.org Fri May 18 14:33:24 2001
From: ronwhite at members.evolt.org (Ron White)
Date: Fri May 18 14:33:24 2001
Subject: [thesite] New Stylesheets
In-Reply-To: <024401c0df26$ee5e90a0$4be9a1d1@mef>
Message-ID:
Thanks to Paola's WAY KEWL colour app I was able to knock a few more styles
pretty quickly. I tell you what, ya pick a base color and pop it in there
and then pick 3-4 complimentary colors and yer done... Please check them out
and lemme know what you think...
http://members.evolt.org/ronwhite/
Thanks,
Ron White
From jeff at members.evolt.org Fri May 18 14:49:44 2001
From: jeff at members.evolt.org (jeff)
Date: Fri May 18 14:49:44 2001
Subject: [thesite] friday is a good day..
In-Reply-To: <01c0dfb7$7ac95d00$1e50149a@rudy>
Message-ID:
rudy,
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: From: rudy
:
: i don't know what the page is doing, whether it
: is caching the results and/or how it is stepping
: through the "next 10 pages" so it might be
: legitimate to go get all the articles -- but if
: the "next" type links do *not* use cache and
: instead go and query the database again, then
: the above is truly wasteful, and we should consider
: putting a date check on it to get only the most
: recent articles or something
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
here's what the actual query looks like:
SELECT content.contentid,
content.keyphrase,
content.contentname,
content.synopsis,
content.datemod,
content.replies,
users.userid,
users.who,
categorys.category,
categorys.categoryid,
(SELECT Count(*)
FROM replies
WHERE contentid = content.contentid
AND datemod > '#DateFormat(session.user.lastlogin)#'
) AS newcomments
FROM content,
users,
categorys
WHERE
content.signoff = #Val(url.sid)#
content.signoff = 1
AND content.userid = users.userid
AND content.categoryid <> 23
AND content.categoryid <> 26
AND content.categoryid <> 9741
AND content.categoryid = categorys.categoryid
AND content.categoryid = #Val(url.tid)#
ORDER BY content.datemod DESC,
content.contentid DESC
this query is used to drill down into the total article listing. that drill
down uses the cached query if it exists. in most cases it will exist as it
is cached for 10 minutes.
my suspicion is that the speed-killing culprit is the subselect aliased as
"newcomments". i think we can minimize the use of that subselect to only
those instances where the user is logged in.
(SELECT Count(*)
FROM replies
WHERE contentid = content.contentid
AND datemod > '#DateFormat(session.user.lastlogin)#'
) AS newcomments
(SELECT '0'
FROM replies
) AS newcomments
(aside: can i do a select without specifying a table?)
the benefit of altering the logic that generates the query is that we will
get faster results for those instances where we know what the answer is (if
you're not logged in we know there aren't any new comments for you).
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: however, my first attempt at query optimization
: would be to restrict the query to returning no
: more rows than the page will display, if indeed
: the "next 10 articles" feature does go back to
: the database...
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
yes, that would be my suggestion as well .... *if* it did go back to the
database (in an uncached/new query fashion).
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: does oracle support anything like microsoft's
: SELECT TOP or mysql's LIMIT?
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
good question, but that won't help us out in this situation as we need to
generate the entire resultset in order to page through since coldfusion
needs to have the entire resultset for startrow and maxrows attributes of
the cfoutput to work properly. the only exception is if we can pass to the
query where in its internal resultset we want to start and how many rows.
even if this were possible, which i don't think it is, i don't see this
improving the time of the query as it now not only has to retrieve the
entire resultset internally, it then has to grab the portion of the data
that meets the startrow and maxrows criteria.
thanks,
.jeff
name://jeff.howden
game://web.development
http://www.evolt.org/
mailto:jeff at members.evolt.org
From jeff at members.evolt.org Fri May 18 14:56:59 2001
From: jeff at members.evolt.org (jeff)
Date: Fri May 18 14:56:59 2001
Subject: [thesite] friday is a good day..
In-Reply-To: <01a501c0dfd1$532f1f90$93ac1b18@patk3mzsmhxpqb>
Message-ID:
matt,
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: From: Warden, Matt
:
: rudy, is it in the plans to use a PRIV
: column on categories?
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
i feel that it is in the plans.
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: Truthfully, it might not be the intended
: use and I can see you telling me we shouldn't
: use the PRIV column for this, BUT setting the
: priv of those categories to 3 (or 5 if you
: want to have it not displayed for anyone) could
: keep them out of things like the front page,
: headlines mailers, XML headline feeds, etc.
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
yes, quite true, but like you just stated -- that's not the intended
purpose. with the high likelihood that we'll implement category display
based on the PRIV setting for the category it wouldn't make sense to
complicate the issue by misusing that column in this fashion.
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: The only problem I see is if we ever get into
: showing or not showing an article based on the
: PRIV of its category (not sure why we would do
: this since the article itself would have a PRIV).
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
or, more importantly we may decide to add an admin only viewable category.
we wouldn't want to display that category on the front-end to anyone with a
PRIV less than 3. so, not only would the articles within that category have
a PRIV of 3 (or some maybe even a 4), the category itself would have a PRIV
of 3 to keep it from being displayed except when necessary/appropriate.
thanks,
.jeff
name://jeff.howden
game://web.development
http://www.evolt.org/
mailto:jeff at members.evolt.org
From mwarden at odyssey-design.com Fri May 18 14:59:19 2001
From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt)
Date: Fri May 18 14:59:19 2001
Subject: [thesite] friday is a good day..
References:
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> (aside: can i do a select without specifying a table?)
Kinda...
select 'You are the SQL god' from dual;
- --
mattwarden
mattwarden.com
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From joshua at alphashop.net Fri May 18 14:59:39 2001
From: joshua at alphashop.net (Joshua OIson)
Date: Fri May 18 14:59:39 2001
Subject: [thesite] friday is a good day..
References:
Message-ID: <09fb01c0dfd5$529db830$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com>
Jeff,
you wrote,
> :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> : does oracle support anything like microsoft's
> : SELECT TOP or mysql's LIMIT?
> :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> good question, but that won't help us out in this situation as we need to
> generate the entire resultset in order to page through since coldfusion
> needs to have the entire resultset for startrow and maxrows attributes of
> the cfoutput to work properly. the only exception is if we can pass to
the
> query where in its internal resultset we want to start and how many rows.
> even if this were possible, which i don't think it is, i don't see this
> improving the time of the query as it now not only has to retrieve the
> entire resultset internally, it then has to grab the portion of the data
> that meets the startrow and maxrows criteria.
I disagree. You say that we need to grab the entire recordset to generate
the page throughs? I say not to that. To generate the page throughs all we
need is to:
1) know how many total records we are dealing with
2) determine which of the database records fall within the current "page" we
are viewing
The first piece of information can be done with a COUNT and only needs to be
recalculated when an article is added, thus disrupting the count. So,
figure out what that number is and store it somewhere.
The second piece is a hashing algorithm of some sort. You can make a
counter that ONLY counts the articles. 1 is the oldest article, max is the
newest. That way, all you do is make the newest article the next number.
Use this number in conjunction with the number we already know (how many
articles there are total) which, btw, is the same number, to figure out
which subset to query. Then you can put the constraints into the query
without worrying about limits etc. Just say I want article max_id through
max_id-10! Where max_id is the id of the newest article.
Shouldn't be too tough. Waddaya think?
-joshua
From mwarden at odyssey-design.com Fri May 18 15:19:59 2001
From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt)
Date: Fri May 18 15:19:59 2001
Subject: [thesite] friday is a good day..
References:
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> :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> : Truthfully, it might not be the intended
> : use and I can see you telling me we shouldn't
> : use the PRIV column for this, BUT setting the
> : priv of those categories to 3 (or 5 if you
> : want to have it not displayed for anyone) could
> : keep them out of things like the front page,
> : headlines mailers, XML headline feeds, etc.
> :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> yes, quite true, but like you just stated -- that's not the
> intended purpose. with the high likelihood that we'll implement
> category display based on the PRIV setting for the category it
> wouldn't make sense to complicate the issue by misusing that column
> in this fashion.
Well, the only misuse is really that it isn't being used for a
security reason, which is why PRIV was created (right?). Setting a
category to a PRIV of 5 would be correct except for the fact that
we're doing it for an odd reason.
> :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> : The only problem I see is if we ever get into
> : showing or not showing an article based on the
> : PRIV of its category (not sure why we would do
> : this since the article itself would have a PRIV).
> :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> or, more importantly we may decide to add an admin only viewable
> category. we wouldn't want to display that category on the
> front-end to anyone with a PRIV less than 3. so, not only would
> the articles within that category have a PRIV of 3 (or some maybe
> even a 4), the category itself would have a PRIV of 3 to keep it
> from being displayed except when necessary/appropriate.
I'm not sure what you're getting at. What you describe above is what
we want. We don't want those categories to show up in the category
list drop box. We don't want their articles showing up on the front
page. However, we DO want them to be able to add articles to them
(with the exception of the FAQ cat) and that might be a problem
(though the submission page currently does not restrict articles from
being submitted to the FAQ category).
Anyways, my point was that there would be a problem if we are going
to cascade PRIV from category to article for some reason.
Do you see any other problems? The only problem I have with this is
that we're restricting display based on a security column but for
non-security reasons. However, it might be better than adding another
column just for the display control.
- --
mattwarden
mattwarden.com
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From McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us Fri May 18 15:50:55 2001
From: McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us (McCreath_David)
Date: Fri May 18 15:50:55 2001
Subject: CSS small error .... was .... Re: [thesite] Re: [thelist] got
a minute for evolt?
Message-ID: <9627DBCB3063D311BC4B00902785C55F02A127B1@EXPO1>
Hi, Michele -
Yeah, that shouldn't be commented out. The reason that it hasn't affected
the site is because we never specified a different font for that particular
piece of the puzzle.
I've fixed it and attached it. Can somebody with upload privs put this on
t.e.o so we can make sure that it doesn't do something stupid? I'll check
the stylesheets for the other domains later.
Thanks for spotting that, Erik.
Thanks
David
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Michele Foster
>
>My text editor is showing that the entire font-family line is
>commented out.David or Adrian, is that the intent? Or should
>we just modify the second line so that the comment is (a)
>deleted or (b) replaced with /* -- */ ?
>
>I don't have access to original files, David, can you check/verify this
>across the CSS in use? (If needed of course )
>
>Thanks Erik for pointing it out.
>
>Michele
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From jeff at members.evolt.org Fri May 18 15:53:44 2001
From: jeff at members.evolt.org (jeff)
Date: Fri May 18 15:53:44 2001
Subject: [thesite] friday is a good day..
In-Reply-To: <09fb01c0dfd5$529db830$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com>
Message-ID:
joshua,
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: From: Joshua OIson
:
: You say that we need to grab the entire recordset
: to generate the page throughs? I say not to that.
: To generate the page throughs all we need is to:
:
: 1) know how many total records we are dealing with
: 2) determine which of the database records fall
: within the current "page" we are viewing
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
yes, quite true.
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: The first piece of information can be done with a
: COUNT and only needs to be recalculated when an
: article is added, thus disrupting the count. So,
: figure out what that number is and store it somewhere.
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
are you suggesting an application scoped variable? i can envision the logic
necessary to make that hit as minimal as possible and happen only when
absolutely necessary.
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: The second piece is a hashing algorithm of some sort.
: You can make a counter that ONLY counts the articles.
: 1 is the oldest article, max is the newest. That way,
: all you do is make the newest article the next number.
: Use this number in conjunction with the number we
: already know (how many articles there are total) which,
: btw, is the same number, to figure out which subset to
: query. Then you can put the constraints into the query
: without worrying about limits etc. Just say I want
: article max_id through max_id-10! Where max_id is the
: id of the newest article.
:
: Shouldn't be too tough. Waddaya think?
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
i think we're saying almost the same thing, but here's what i'd do, if this
is really a problem worth throwing some additional development time into.
i'd add a rank column to the database. add a trigger (or build the logic
into the middleware) to update the rank column on the entire table based on
the datemod and signoff columns (1) whenever a new article is approved
(which would automatically . those articles that have a signoff value of 1
(approved) get a rank from 1 (newest) to max rank (2) (oldest). we would
then use the startrow and maxrows attributes within the query instead of the
cfoutput. the query would select only those articles that had a rank that
was >= the startrow and <= startrow + maxrows - 1. whenever an articles
signoff status changes from 1 we'd simply update the rank column to adjust
the rank of all the articles to fill the gap (3). approving an older
article and adjusting the rank of all approved articles to open a gap in the
appropriate place would be alittle more difficult, but not impossible (4).
the major difference between what you and i are saying is the direction of
the "rank". i'd rank from 1-max in the order you want to display the
articles. you're suggesting ranking from max-1.
the one disadvantage to this is that the query for each page results view
isn't going to be cached for you so it'll have to create a new query. i
still see it being a huge performance gain though because your resultset
will always be smaller than the current query's resultset.
now, the order by can be attached to the rank column which should already be
indexed as opposed to the datemod column which has no guarantee of being
indexed or of the database actually using the index even if it exists.
(1): UPDATE content
SET rank = rank + 1
WHERE rank >= 1
(2): SELECT Count(*) AS max_rank
FROM content
WHERE signoff = 1
(3): UPDATE content
SET rank = rank - 1
WHERE rank >= deleted.rank
(4): UPDATE content
SET rank = rank + 1
WHERE datemod >= inserted.datemod
AND contentid > inserted.contentid
thanks,
.jeff
name://jeff.howden
game://web.development
http://www.evolt.org/
mailto:jeff at members.evolt.org
From jeff at members.evolt.org Fri May 18 15:58:34 2001
From: jeff at members.evolt.org (jeff)
Date: Fri May 18 15:58:34 2001
Subject: [thesite] friday is a good day..
In-Reply-To: <01c0dfb8$e5d9b300$1e50149a@rudy>
Message-ID:
rudy,
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: From: rudy
:
: sorry for the long post just now
:
: i got so carried away with the sql, i forgot to ask the most fundamental
: question --
:
: the nested query contains
:
: WHERE replies.datemod > ''
:
: that cannot be right, can it?
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
no, that's not right -- with an explanation.
that query was obviously generated without the user being logged in (hence
no lastlogin value). however, when the user is logged in it will do the
comparison against an actual date value.
see my other response to you to see a suggestion about how i'd handle that.
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: i thought content.replies is supposed to hold
: the number of comments on the article
:
: so what is the nested subquery for??
:
: surely it's not the number of recent replies,
: is it?
:
: heck, that's not what the datemod field is...
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
in that table the datemod field stores when a comment was inserted. so,
we're querying for all comments for a given article where the datemod is
greater than last login of the current logged in user. fwiw, the full
subselect looks like this:
(SELECT Count(*)
FROM replies
WHERE contentid = content.contentid
AND datemod > '#DateFormat(session.user.lastlogin)#'
) AS newcomments
make more sense?
thanks,
.jeff
name://jeff.howden
game://web.development
http://www.evolt.org/
mailto:jeff at members.evolt.org
From djc at starkmedia.com Fri May 18 16:00:10 2001
From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody)
Date: Fri May 18 16:00:10 2001
Subject: [thesite] friday is a good day..
References: <3B04DFAC.4000706@starkmedia.com> <000d01c0df8b$3aa0aa70$93ac1b18@patk3mzsmhxpqb>
Message-ID: <3B05AB3C.5070105@starkmedia.com>
its all set up and ready to go.. i'm just waiting for a fedex package
with some new ram i had to buy for that box.
also, the DB is up to date, only about a day behind right now, so
anything you want to start on with that can be done :)
Warden, Matt wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
>
>> hopefully lots gets done, if its not too much to ask, can i get a
>> status report from those of you that are working on
>> projects?(seth, matt, dean, judith, judah, colette, ron, michele,
>> and anyone i missed ) :)
>
>
> jetting off at the moment, but I'm waiting on the new weo box. you
> get my email? then, I have an idea or two I want to run by you that I
> THINK will help us down the road with different user databases.
From joshua at alphashop.net Fri May 18 16:01:19 2001
From: joshua at alphashop.net (Joshua OIson)
Date: Fri May 18 16:01:19 2001
Subject: [thesite] friday is a good day..
References:
Message-ID: <0a1e01c0dfdd$f1811930$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com>
I think we are in general concurrence. I was not taking into account the
fact that articles can be approved or disapproved--but either way the
article exists. But, the recalculation of rank at the change of status of
each article is a foundationally solid solution. The hit will happen once,
and it *should* keep the result set down to an absolute minimum on front end
queries
I would definitely suggest against using triggers in this case. I'm finding
myself drifting more and more towards Rudy's (c), and Celko's side of the
court on my thoughts about triggers.
> are you suggesting an application scoped variable? i can envision the
logic
> necessary to make that hit as minimal as possible and happen only when
> absolutely necessary.
Application scoped variables was one solution. In this case, you'd store
max(rank) or whatever. If you don't like application scoped variables, a
simple query
SELECT Max(rank) AS max_rank FROM whatever
will be sufficiently fast as well.
-joshua
From djc at starkmedia.com Fri May 18 16:04:05 2001
From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody)
Date: Fri May 18 16:04:05 2001
Subject: [thesite] colette was: friday is a good day..
References: <3B04DFAC.4000706@starkmedia.com> <152531574.20010518075909@wi.rr.com>
Message-ID: <3B05AC2C.50002@starkmedia.com>
Sorry :)
the project i was referering to was the new dir.evolt.org site that
simon wrote this week.. its done in php and mysql and sitting on one of
our boxes.. could you email him at ppxsjc1 at unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk and
see if there's anything he could use a hand with? I know he's going to
be workinng on it this weekend :)
oh, and where in milwaukee are you from? menomonee falls here.. if
you're free in the evening on the 30th, there are about 5 of us evolt
folks getting together for beers at the ale house on water around 6ish
thanks again, and let me know if you need some more/better direction :)
.djc.
Colette Brown wrote:
> Friday, May 18, 2001, 3:39:08 AM, Daniel J. Cody (djc at starkmedia.com) wrote:
>
>
>> can i get a status
>> report from those of you that are working on projects?(seth, matt, dean,
>> judith, judah, colette, ron, michele, and anyone i missed ) :)
>
>
> I'm still not working on anything, because I hadn't heard from anyone.
> You had mentioned a project that Simon is working on. Should I get
> in touch with him? What's his email address?
From djc at starkmedia.com Fri May 18 16:07:00 2001
From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody)
Date: Fri May 18 16:07:00 2001
Subject: [thesite] new color schemes
References:
Message-ID: <3B05ACD6.30507@starkmedia.com>
awesome! I really like the ocean and blue ones ron :)
Ron White wrote:
> http://members.evolt.org/ronwhite/index.htm
>
> Ocean and Wine are updated... Fall will be updated in about an hour or so...
> Have to do some real (paying) work for a bit :-)
>
> On the wine, I wasn't especially happy with the title 2 text color, but it
> was the one I disliked the least... any suggestions??
>
> So you don't have to check source its the grey-green text on the magenta...
From djc at starkmedia.com Fri May 18 16:10:50 2001
From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody)
Date: Fri May 18 16:10:50 2001
Subject: [thesite] judith was: friday is a good day..
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010518082349.00a52270@mail.frognet.net>
Message-ID: <3B05ADBF.6050700@starkmedia.com>
Ok, sounds good! If you have any questions about what/why's with the
code, just gimme a holler :)
thanks again
.djc.
Judith Taylor wrote:
> I hope to be able to get more done this weekend. I'm trying to make
> intelligent comments and so it's a bit slow going as I'm not familiar
> with the flow of the site...comments I make tend to deal with what is
> calling what and being called where for why. That sounds more
> complicated than it is - really! :o) Been doing a lot of back and forth
> with the files....trimming out the unused files in the 'root' dir
> helped. :o)
>
> Judith
>
> Daniel J. Cody put into words:
>
>> i'm takin off work on friday(today) to finish up thewife and to deal
>> with the insane, but good, amount of traffic on thesite
>>
>> hopefully lots gets done, if its not too much to ask, can i get a
>> status report from those of you that are working on projects?(seth,
>> matt, dean, judith, judah, colette, ron, michele, and anyone i missed
>> ) :)
>>
>> i'd appreciate, trying to get my - and evolts - ducks in a row :)
From ronwhite at members.evolt.org Fri May 18 16:15:25 2001
From: ronwhite at members.evolt.org (Ron White)
Date: Fri May 18 16:15:25 2001
Subject: [thesite] new color schemes
In-Reply-To: <3B05ACD6.30507@starkmedia.com>
Message-ID:
Thanks :-) Not bad for a rookie color coordinator, eh? Ocean is my fav as
well... I was going to call Blue, Deep Sea or Stormy Ocean, so it would be
more of a theme, but left it as is for now... It was pretty fun doing it,
I'm thinking I might have to start sliding more toward WebDev and away from
Network Engineering :-)
Thanks,
Ron White
-----Original Message-----
From: thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Daniel J. Cody
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 7:15 PM
To: thesite at lists.evolt.org
Subject: Re: [thesite] new color schemes
awesome! I really like the ocean and blue ones ron :)
Ron White wrote:
> http://members.evolt.org/ronwhite/index.htm
>
> Ocean and Wine are updated... Fall will be updated in about an hour or
so...
> Have to do some real (paying) work for a bit :-)
>
> On the wine, I wasn't especially happy with the title 2 text color, but it
> was the one I disliked the least... any suggestions??
>
> So you don't have to check source its the grey-green text on the
magenta...
_______________________________________________
http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/
and new & improved kentucky fried old archives:
http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/
From djc at starkmedia.com Fri May 18 16:19:00 2001
From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody)
Date: Fri May 18 16:19:00 2001
Subject: [thesite] friday is a good day..
References: <200105181703.LAA01585@alice.monkeyland.ca>
Message-ID: <3B05AFAB.4010201@starkmedia.com>
shit.. i put a 256Mb and a 64Mb chip in there the other day and
obviously the 256Mb one blinked.. i'll get it tomorrow.. sorry about that
Dean Mah wrote:
> Does the Oracle box really only have 64MB of RAM?!! That's not
> enough. Oracle's minimum requirement is 128MB or 256MB. I couldn't
> increase buffer cache by that much. I think the buffer cache hit
> ratio is still around 30% which is way too low. It should be up in
> the 80-90% range.
From jeff at members.evolt.org Fri May 18 16:22:25 2001
From: jeff at members.evolt.org (jeff)
Date: Fri May 18 16:22:25 2001
Subject: [thesite] friday is a good day..
In-Reply-To: <020d01c0dfd7$f6322ce0$93ac1b18@patk3mzsmhxpqb>
Message-ID:
matt,
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: From: Warden, Matt
:
: Well, the only misuse is really that it isn't
: being used for a security reason, which is why
: PRIV was created (right?). Setting a category
: to a PRIV of 5 would be correct except for the
: fact that we're doing it for an odd reason.
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
the trouble is that we still have to choose to use the PRIV column criteria
on a category by category basis if we do that. for example, suggestions,
jobs, and faq aren't supposed to be displayed in the homepage article query.
however, when viewing these categories we don't care who the user is. the
job category simply lists it's most recent content in a different location
on the site (the sidebar). the suggestions category content is only
viewable when selecting the suggestions category from the category dropdown.
however, the category should still appear in the dropdown. the same is not
true of the faq category. it should not appear in the category dropdown at
all as its content is not intended to flow in with the rest of the content
of thesite, but still use the same display (though slightly altered)
mechanism.
when the use of the PRIV column is integrated into thesite, the categories
listed in the category dropdown will change depending on the user's PRIV
setting. the articles they can view within a category will be affected by
their PRIV setting. the determination of whether or not they can even view
a certain category will be determined by their PRIV setting.
consequently, using the PRIV setting as a means to control what's displayed
on the homepage only serves to complicate the issue.
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: I'm not sure what you're getting at. What you
: describe above is what we want. We don't want
: those categories to show up in the category list
: drop box.
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
ah, but we *do* want them to show up in the category dropdown. suggestions
and jobs being the most obvious ones that don't display on the homepage
article listing, but still need to be accessible to everyone.
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: (though the submission page currently does not
: restrict articles from being submitted to the
: FAQ category).
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
the only reason it's not restricted from the submission page category
dropdown is so that if we choose to task a non-admin with writing/submitting
evolt FAQ material they will be able to do so without having to change their
PRIV setting.
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: Do you see any other problems? The only problem
: I have with this is that we're restricting display
: based on a security column but for non-security
: reasons. However, it might be better than adding
: another column just for the display control.
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
correction: you're suggesting selectively restricting display based on a
security column as opposed to restricting display in all cases based on the
security column. that's the problem.
make more sense?
thanks,
.jeff
name://jeff.howden
game://web.development
http://www.evolt.org/
mailto:jeff at members.evolt.org
From colette at wi.rr.com Fri May 18 16:24:40 2001
From: colette at wi.rr.com (Colette Brown)
Date: Fri May 18 16:24:40 2001
Subject: [thesite] colette was: friday is a good day..
In-Reply-To: <3B05AC2C.50002@starkmedia.com>
References: <3B04DFAC.4000706@starkmedia.com>
<152531574.20010518075909@wi.rr.com> <3B05AC2C.50002@starkmedia.com>
Message-ID: <18530855848.20010518162433@wi.rr.com>
Friday, May 18, 2001, 6:11:40 PM, Daniel J. Cody (djc at starkmedia.com) wrote:
> Sorry :)
> the project i was referering to was the new dir.evolt.org site that
> simon wrote this week.. its done in php and mysql and sitting on one of
> our boxes.. could you email him at ppxsjc1 at unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk and
> see if there's anything he could use a hand with? I know he's going to
> be workinng on it this weekend :)
That's okay. Simon already contacted me and emailed me some code to
work on.
> oh, and where in milwaukee are you from? menomonee falls here.. if
> you're free in the evening on the 30th, there are about 5 of us evolt
> folks getting together for beers at the ale house on water around 6ish
I'm from Brown Deer. I should be free that evening. Thanks for the
invite. :)
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
Colette Brown
Blog: http://ziatroyano.org
From djc at starkmedia.com Fri May 18 16:35:55 2001
From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody)
Date: Fri May 18 16:35:55 2001
Subject: [thesite] Re: [thesite]seth, was; friday is a good day..
References:
Message-ID: <3B05B3A2.2090800@starkmedia.com>
rock! you may want to get in touch with frank too.. he's been working on
something with this too.. frank at interlog.com i think
Seth Bienek wrote:
> I should have the MBOX Mporter (cool name, eh? I made that up just now) and the tip parser complete by the end of this weekend. WooHoo!
>
> W3rd (to ya mutha),
hahaa..
http://members.evolt.org/djc/five2one/z3/w3rd.gif :)
.djc.
From McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us Fri May 18 16:44:15 2001
From: McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us (McCreath_David)
Date: Fri May 18 16:44:15 2001
Subject: [thesite] more damn schemes!
Message-ID: <9627DBCB3063D311BC4B00902785C55F02A127B3@EXPO1>
Okay, put up one more from elfur, and fixed the and .code colors.
Also put up links to Ron's stuff, and Paola's tools (which are frikkin'
awesome).
http://members.evolt.org/mccreath/evolt/colorschemes/
Later
David
From ronwhite at members.evolt.org Fri May 18 16:56:55 2001
From: ronwhite at members.evolt.org (Ron White)
Date: Fri May 18 16:56:55 2001
Subject: [thesite] more damn schemes!
In-Reply-To: <9627DBCB3063D311BC4B00902785C55F02A127B3@EXPO1>
Message-ID:
Wow RED! is definitely a good name for that new one from elfur... :-)
Thanks,
Ron White
-----Original Message-----
From: thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org
[mailto:thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of McCreath_David
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 5:44 PM
To: Thesite (E-mail)
Subject: [thesite] more damn schemes!
Okay, put up one more from elfur, and fixed the and .code colors.
Also put up links to Ron's stuff, and Paola's tools (which are frikkin'
awesome).
http://members.evolt.org/mccreath/evolt/colorschemes/
Later
David
_______________________________________________
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From lists at icongarden.com Fri May 18 20:50:51 2001
From: lists at icongarden.com (Jacob Stetser)
Date: Fri May 18 20:50:51 2001
Subject: intro (was [thesite] Abbreviations and Welcome to the New
Folks on Here)
In-Reply-To: <3B04226D.EF91C680@starkmedia.com>
References: <009801c0defb$52d32220$4be9a1d1@mef>
<80108062776.20010517135758@wi.rr.com> <3B04226D.EF91C680@starkmedia.com>
Message-ID:
If you all need help with d.e.o stuff I'd be more than happy to lend
a hand. I don't know the first thing about CF but PHP I can do! :)
>
>how comfortable are you with those? there is one app we do have written
>in php/mysql that simon coggins wrote..
>
--
From joshua at alphashop.net Fri May 18 21:14:31 2001
From: joshua at alphashop.net (Joshua OIson)
Date: Fri May 18 21:14:31 2001
Subject: [thesite] more damn schemes!
References:
Message-ID: <005b01c0e009$bbc3e940$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com>
Lookie here, now everybody's getting involved. I don't want to be left out!
:)
members.evolt.org/joshua
-joshua
From djc at starkmedia.com Fri May 18 21:23:41 2001
From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody)
Date: Fri May 18 21:23:41 2001
Subject: intro (was [thesite] Abbreviations and Welcome to the New Folks on Here)
References: <009801c0defb$52d32220$4be9a1d1@mef> <80108062776.20010517135758@wi.rr.com> <3B04226D.EF91C680@starkmedia.com>
Message-ID: <3B05F711.2050207@starkmedia.com>
hey jacob -
simon and colette are both working on the directory.evolt.org app -
AFAIK, they're working it between themselves offlist. shoot them an
email and let'em konw you're willing to help :)
ppxsjc1 at unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk
colette at wi.rr.com
thanks for volunteering :)
.djc.
Jacob Stetser wrote:
> If you all need help with d.e.o stuff I'd be more than happy to lend a
> hand. I don't know the first thing about CF but PHP I can do! :)
>
>>
>> how comfortable are you with those? there is one app we do have written
>> in php/mysql that simon coggins wrote..
>>
>
From djc at starkmedia.com Fri May 18 21:39:16 2001
From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody)
Date: Fri May 18 21:39:16 2001
Subject: [thesite] more damn schemes!
References: <005b01c0e009$bbc3e940$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com>
Message-ID: <3B05FAB4.7080404@starkmedia.com>
they look good in IE, but still not working in mozilla :(
just the 'content' part of the page isn't working.. backgrounds are
fine, everything below the faq/contact/home images though is showing up
as white text and blue links
Joshua OIson wrote:
> Lookie here, now everybody's getting involved. I don't want to be left out!
> :)
>
> members.evolt.org/joshua
>
> -joshua
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/
> and new & improved kentucky fried old archives:
> http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/
>
From michele at wordpro.on.ca Fri May 18 22:30:27 2001
From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster)
Date: Fri May 18 22:30:27 2001
Subject: [thesite] more damn schemes!
References: <005b01c0e009$bbc3e940$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com>
Message-ID: <025401c0e014$151158c0$7be9a1d1@mef>
Hey Josh ..
Like I said to you earlier, this is AWESOME!!! So many good things are
coming together for Evolt this week .. WOW!!
Just playing now ..
Can we edit a scheme? Each time I save, I need to give it a new name.
Can you add two additional elements ...
Article titles, visited status:
a.title:visited (in CSS file)
background colour for code snippets in text areas:
.code (in CSS file)
This is really awesome.
Future implementation, can this be incorporated some way to allow users
(logged in members) to create and pick their own stylesheets?
Michele
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joshua OIson"
To:
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 10:16 PM
Subject: Re: [thesite] more damn schemes!
| Lookie here, now everybody's getting involved. I don't want to be left
out!
| :)
|
| members.evolt.org/joshua
|
| -joshua
|
|
| _______________________________________________
| http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/
| and new & improved kentucky fried old archives:
| http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/
|
From djc at starkmedia.com Fri May 18 22:34:27 2001
From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody)
Date: Fri May 18 22:34:27 2001
Subject: [thesite] more damn schemes!
References: <005b01c0e009$bbc3e940$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> <025401c0e014$151158c0$7be9a1d1@mef>
Message-ID: <3B0607A1.2020102@starkmedia.com>
you're reading my mind mich :)
whaddya say josh? if you had access to t.e.o could you slide it into a
members page?
Michele Foster wrote:
> Future implementation, can this be incorporated some way to allow users
> (logged in members) to create and pick their own stylesheets?
From michele at wordpro.on.ca Fri May 18 22:42:12 2001
From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster)
Date: Fri May 18 22:42:12 2001
Subject: [thesite] more damn schemes!
References: <005b01c0e009$bbc3e940$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> <025401c0e014$151158c0$7be9a1d1@mef> <3B0607A1.2020102@starkmedia.com>
Message-ID: <026401c0e015$b8ef4f00$7be9a1d1@mef>
Damn, that's bloody scary .. no wonder I have a headache (j/k)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel J. Cody"
| you're reading my mind mich :)
|
| whaddya say josh? if you had access to t.e.o could you slide it into a
| members page?
|
| Michele Foster wrote:
|
|
| > Future implementation, can this be incorporated some way to allow users
| > (logged in members) to create and pick their own stylesheets?
|
From michele at wordpro.on.ca Fri May 18 22:54:32 2001
From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster)
Date: Fri May 18 22:54:32 2001
Subject: [thesite] more damn schemes!
References: <005b01c0e009$bbc3e940$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> <025401c0e014$151158c0$7be9a1d1@mef>
Message-ID: <027901c0e017$749a1ae0$7be9a1d1@mef>
Josh,
Found another element .. within .side (the font color)
color : #D5DBD4 ; } /* SidebarTextColor */
Thanks,
Michele
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michele Foster"
|
| Article titles, visited status:
|
| a.title:visited (in CSS file)
|
| background colour for code snippets in text areas:
|
| .code (in CSS file)
|
From joshua at alphashop.net Fri May 18 23:06:12 2001
From: joshua at alphashop.net (Joshua OIson)
Date: Fri May 18 23:06:12 2001
Subject: [thesite] more damn schemes!
References: <005b01c0e009$bbc3e940$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> <025401c0e014$151158c0$7be9a1d1@mef> <027901c0e017$749a1ae0$7be9a1d1@mef>
Message-ID: <00a601c0e019$54bc6190$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com>
It's late... I'm going to bed... No more changes tonight, sorry. FYI, last
years code-fest or pre-code-fest activities did generate an online tool for
manageing the style sheet. But, if I remember it correctly it also let you
set fonts and colors, etc. The one I built here could have it's interface
expanded to include everything I suppose. I was trying to keep it compact
and low profile, but I technicically could take up more space if I used
session and separate windows--one for editing, one for previewing, etc.
I'll get to the suggestions on monday and do more thinking about it this
weekend.
-joshua
From djc at starkmedia.com Fri May 18 23:08:07 2001
From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody)
Date: Fri May 18 23:08:07 2001
Subject: [thesite] new authentication ideas for evolt
Message-ID: <3B060F87.1090304@starkmedia.com>
matt had an excellent idea today about our problem with logging into all
of the new evolt sites we've got going right now.
the problem is that we have X.evolt.org and what we're doing now is
querying against that particular sites DB for member authentication. for
sites that we *may* not want to have access to a copy of the user
information, this is a bad thing. the need though still remains that we
should have a centralized DB to authenticate against.
the solution is pretty much a passport.com site just for evolt sites.
example: i go to dan.evolt.org, the login form there goes to a
centralized place, login.evolt.org for example. i enter my username and
password, and the form submits to login.evolt.org.. login.evolt.org does
a lookup on the info that got sent, checks it against our main DB, and
if i'm a registered member, it sets a cookie for the *.evolt.org domain
and redirects me back to the dan.evolt.org site. dan.evolt.org then
checks for an *.evolt.org cookie, and if i have it, authenticates me.
other info like username and userid could be put in this cookie as well.
this is a good thing because we're not tied down to one language
anymore. if dan.evolt.org runs python, i just code that page to check
for the *.evolt.org cookie.
i'm still working out the details and process for this. anyone got
comments or other stuff that could expediate it or thoughts?
this could be a really good thing IMO. props to matt for suggesting it :)
.djc.
From michele at wordpro.on.ca Fri May 18 23:15:52 2001
From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster)
Date: Fri May 18 23:15:52 2001
Subject: [thesite] more damn schemes!
References: <005b01c0e009$bbc3e940$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> <025401c0e014$151158c0$7be9a1d1@mef> <027901c0e017$749a1ae0$7be9a1d1@mef> <00a601c0e019$54bc6190$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com>
Message-ID: <028d01c0e01a$6e735e80$7be9a1d1@mef>
Thanks again Joshua..
Others can have a play and provide comments/feedback .. and those involved
.. more specifically if this is something we'd want to allow general users
to pick and choose their style for viewing w.e.o.
have a great weekend. :)
Michele
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joshua OIson"
| It's late... I'm going to bed... No more changes tonight, sorry. FYI,
last
| years code-fest or pre-code-fest activities did generate an online tool
for
| manageing the style sheet. But, if I remember it correctly it also let
you
| set fonts and colors, etc. The one I built here could have it's interface
| expanded to include everything I suppose. I was trying to keep it compact
| and low profile, but I technicically could take up more space if I used
| session and separate windows--one for editing, one for previewing, etc.
From mwarden at odyssey-design.com Fri May 18 23:49:12 2001
From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt)
Date: Fri May 18 23:49:12 2001
Subject: [thesite] new authentication ideas for evolt
References: <3B060F87.1090304@starkmedia.com>
Message-ID: <019301c0e01f$142941b0$93ac1b18@patk3mzsmhxpqb>
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kick-ass-hard-core-evolters-on-thesite,
> the solution is pretty much a passport.com site just for evolt
> sites. example: i go to dan.evolt.org, the login form there goes
> to a
> centralized place, login.evolt.org for example. i enter my username
> and password, and the form submits to login.evolt.org..
> login.evolt.org does a lookup on the info that got sent, checks it
> against our main DB, and if i'm a registered member, it sets a
> cookie for the *.evolt.org domain and redirects me back to the
> dan.evolt.org site. dan.evolt.org then checks for an *.evolt.org
> cookie, and if i have it, authenticates me. other info like
> username and userid could be put in this cookie as well. this is a
> good thing because we're not tied down to one language
> anymore. if dan.evolt.org runs python, i just code that page to
> check for the *.evolt.org cookie.
...
> this could be a really good thing IMO. props to matt for suggesting
> it :)
Well, yeah... this is besically what I had in mind. But, I didn't
suggest the exact solution above for two reasons (that are actually
really only one reason, but whatever):
1. "Foreign keys" of a user id can't be enforced
2. There doesn't seem to be a way to stop Joe User from sending a
cookie header with his PerlSkript that just said he was userid
1230293774.
Actually, what I had originally suggested was a signup.evolt.org or
join.evolt.org or allyourinfoarebelongtous.evolt.org which would be
our current "Join" page. However, it would insert into the user table
in multiple datasources (one for weo's, one for feo's, etc.). And
each subsite's "Join" link would go to signup.evolt.org passing a
styleid which would be used to keep the colors and style the same as
the subsite from which the user originated. Basically, it would use
weo.css if the styleid was "weo", feo.css if the styleid was "feo",
etc.
The login stuff was something separate. I had originally thought I
was going to authenticate feo through weo's login handler (so i could
use weo's user table) and have that handler redirect to the feo url.
Somewhere in my conversations with dan I managed to mush these
altogether and I'm actually quite surprised he came out of it
understanding WTF I was talking about. Way to go, dan!
if now()=bedtime then
--
mattwarden
mattwarden.com
end if
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From michele at wordpro.on.ca Sat May 19 00:23:12 2001
From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster)
Date: Sat May 19 00:23:12 2001
Subject: [thesite] Abbreviations and Welcome to the New Folks on Here
References:
Message-ID: <030a01c0e023$d6575a20$7be9a1d1@mef>
Not limited to 216 colours.
Michele
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron White"
| Does it have to be web safe or can I expand out?
From michele at wordpro.on.ca Sat May 19 00:36:02 2001
From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster)
Date: Sat May 19 00:36:02 2001
Subject: CSS small error .... was .... Re: [thesite] Re: [thelist] got a minute for evolt?
References: <9627DBCB3063D311BC4B00902785C55F02A127B1@EXPO1>
Message-ID: <038501c0e025$a375ec00$7be9a1d1@mef>
Thanks David ..
I updated my personal files, and the archived version on my m.e.o. site.
Michele
----- Original Message -----
From: "McCreath_David"
| Hi, Michele -
|
| I've fixed it and attached it. Can somebody with upload privs put this on
| t.e.o so we can make sure that it doesn't do something stupid? I'll check
| the stylesheets for the other domains later.
|
From djc at starkmedia.com Sat May 19 01:51:57 2001
From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody)
Date: Sat May 19 01:51:57 2001
Subject: [thesite] someone playing with t.e.o?
Message-ID: <3B0635EC.7000203@starkmedia.com>
its throwing an error on the top page..
just wondering, i'm trying to throw some new code up there.
.djc.
From r937 at interlog.com Sat May 19 08:33:25 2001
From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy)
Date: Sat May 19 08:33:25 2001
Subject: [thesite] saturday is shaping up pretty nicely too...
Message-ID: <01c0e068$47a9b9e0$c14a149a@rudy>
>Where is the latest database design diagram?
hi matt
sorry for the delay, i went offline yesterday and started celebrating after
the raptors just beat the living sh.... oh, sorry, hope there ain't any
sixers fans here... sunday i don't plan to be online much, either...
football in the morning, beer after the football, then game 7 in philly...
the last diagram is http://members.evolt.org/rudy/oracle4.gif
note this is over a year old and somewhat out of date, but it is still
adequate to explain the relationships between tables
the "member pages" project, recently revitalized, will use the MEMBER,
MEMBATTR, and ATTRIBUTE tables -- note that people will have one member
record but possibly several user records (one at work, one at home, etc.)
the "customizable styles" project, which will enable users to design their
own look for the evolt site, will use the SCHEME, SCHEMELEMENT, and ELEMENT
tables -- note that these will be tied to the USER record, not the MEMBER
record
i think those tables need a quick review for the consistent application of
PRIV
the diagram was produced by a data modelling product called ERwin, which i
was using at my last job -- i think i *cough* forgot to uninstall it from
my home computer, though, so i can keep making diagrams
me personally i have been getting by fine with the raw DESCRIBE outputs,
although they don't show the foreign key relationships as nicely as a
diagram
it is always a good idea to do a DESCRIBE anyway, just to confirm the table
actually looks the same as you think it does... don't get me wrong, that
wasn't a snide remark, i think it is a good thing? that other people
besides myself can go in and alter a table
speaking of which, we must really do something about those LONG columns --
i think dean had an answer to that recently, let me go dive into the
archives to see if i can find it...
rudy
From r937 at interlog.com Sat May 19 08:43:30 2001
From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy)
Date: Sat May 19 08:43:30 2001
Subject: [thesite] friday is a good day..
Message-ID: <01c0e069$b3b75ba0$c14a149a@rudy>
> Oracle optimizes the queries into almost exactly the same thing.
hi dean
thanks for those (output from explain plan?)
pretty neat, and you can see from the indentation that it can make a big
difference whether the database does something inside a deeply nested loop
or outside...
this just reinforces my experience that there will usually be several ways
to code a query and they can have radically different execution times
i wonder if we will ever have to use oracle's HINT feature....
> In Oracle you do outer joins by marking the table with (+).
> I don't think, at least in Oracle7, that SQL92's outer join
> syntax is supported.
yeah, i knew the old way of doing it (didn't sql server have something
similar with an asterisk?)
the new join syntax is much more elegant, because it isolates the join
conditions away from the filter predicates in the WHERE clause
> In Oracle7 there wasn't any conception on the SELECT TOP or LIMIT..
> You can try using Oracle's rownum or rowid but I don't think that it will
> get you exactly what you want.
troodat
let me go read ahead and see what jeff says, i skimmed the posts and i know
he's talking about cache...
rudy
From r937 at interlog.com Sat May 19 08:53:05 2001
From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy)
Date: Sat May 19 08:53:05 2001
Subject: [thesite] friday is a good day..
Message-ID: <01c0e06b$069626c0$c14a149a@rudy>
> i think we can minimize the use of that subselect to only
> those instances where the user is logged in.
>
>
> (SELECT Count(*)
> FROM replies
> WHERE contentid = content.contentid
> AND datemod > '#DateFormat(session.user.lastlogin)#'
> ) AS newcomments
>
> (SELECT '0'
> FROM replies
> ) AS newcomments
>
hi jeff
excellent idea!!
dean, did you put an index on replies.datemod? i think that would really
help this subquery
>(aside: can i do a select without specifying a table?)
no
you can select from DUAL as matt suggested
however, for the query above, i think what you are really looking for is
this --
0 AS newcomments
(o;
>:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>: does oracle support anything like microsoft's
>: SELECT TOP or mysql's LIMIT?
>:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>good question, but that won't help us out in this situation as we need to
>generate the entire resultset in order to page through since coldfusion
>needs to have the entire resultset for startrow and maxrows attributes of
>the cfoutput to work properly.
thank you, thank you
this has finally put to rest a question that's been bugging me for a long
time
paging through a result set (next/previous 10 records, et cetera) is done
entirely in cold fusion and the database is not re-queried
that's exactly the way i had hoped it was done
thanks jeff, you da man
From r937 at interlog.com Sat May 19 09:01:40 2001
From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy)
Date: Sat May 19 09:01:40 2001
Subject: [thesite] friday is a good day..
Message-ID: <01c0e06c$2f4ae0a0$c14a149a@rudy>
> I'm finding myself drifting more and more towards Rudy's (c),
> and Celko's side of the court on my thoughts about triggers.
hey joshua, what side am i on? i forget so easily ;o(
i'm still trying to get through this discussion about a RANK column that
gets updated throughout the database... so far i'm either not
understanding it, or else i'm understanding it and not liking it very
much...
sheesh, i need more coffee
rudy
From r937 at interlog.com Sat May 19 09:03:05 2001
From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy)
Date: Sat May 19 09:03:05 2001
Subject: [thesite] friday is a good day..
Message-ID: <01c0e06c$6e7ab840$c14a149a@rudy>
> consequently, using the PRIV setting as a means to control what's
> displayed on the homepage only serves to complicate the issue.
+1
From elfur at elfur.is Sat May 19 09:16:35 2001
From: elfur at elfur.is (Elfur Logadottir)
Date: Sat May 19 09:16:35 2001
Subject: [thesite] the evolt themes burstout
Message-ID: <10b601c0e06e$47eb4800$40aefea9@DWARFS>
so I've set mine up on my own members space - with links to all others too.
http://members.evolt.org/elfur/evolt/themes/index.html
later
*the innovative one*
From r937 at interlog.com Sat May 19 09:23:10 2001
From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy)
Date: Sat May 19 09:23:10 2001
Subject: [thesite] the evolt themes burstout
Message-ID: <01c0e06f$346faea0$c14a149a@rudy>
> http://members.evolt.org/elfur/evolt/themes/index.html
very nice collection
" showing my (misfotunate) creative side "
huh? misfotunate?
nothing wrong with your creativity, young lady
also, regarding the classic look, i'm afraid i didn't really have any input
on it other than maybe to mention that i really liked the old look -- david
took it from there and did the work, and now you...
rudy
From elfur at members.evolt.org Sat May 19 09:35:55 2001
From: elfur at members.evolt.org (Elfur Logadottir)
Date: Sat May 19 09:35:55 2001
Subject: [thesite] the evolt themes burstout
References: <01c0e06f$346faea0$c14a149a@rudy>
Message-ID: <10f201c0e070$fa4e2c40$40aefea9@DWARFS>
From: "rudy"
| > http://members.evolt.org/elfur/evolt/themes/index.html
|
| very nice collection
thanks
| " showing my (misfotunate) creative side "
|
| huh? misfotunate?
|
| nothing wrong with your creativity, young lady
and now it looks like I was fishing - which I wasn't - I swear
| also, regarding the classic look, i'm afraid i didn't really have any
input
| on it other than maybe to mention that i really liked the old look --
david
| took it from there and did the work, and now you...
you mean, you want your name out of there?
*the icelandic one*
From judi at frognet.net Sat May 19 09:36:35 2001
From: judi at frognet.net (Judith Taylor)
Date: Sat May 19 09:36:35 2001
Subject: [thesite] the evolt themes burstout
In-Reply-To: <10b601c0e06e$47eb4800$40aefea9@DWARFS>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010519103406.00a6b230@mail.frognet.net>
Neat page in IE however it looks horrid in NN4.7... grey background (no
background color), blue-grey text...no pretty lower borders for the h2 or
h3 tags....etc. ;o)
Judt thought you'd want to know....
Elfur Logadottir put into words:
>so I've set mine up on my own members space - with links to all others too.
>
>http://members.evolt.org/elfur/evolt/themes/index.html
>
>later
>*the innovative one*
Judith Taylor
ICQ: 67460562
Freelance ColdFusion Developer - Athens, OH
Friends don't let friends code before coffee.
From elfur at members.evolt.org Sat May 19 09:43:50 2001
From: elfur at members.evolt.org (Elfur Logadottir)
Date: Sat May 19 09:43:50 2001
Subject: [thesite] the evolt themes burstout
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010519103406.00a6b230@mail.frognet.net>
Message-ID: <111001c0e072$16de12c0$40aefea9@DWARFS>
From: "Judith Taylor"
| Neat page in IE however it looks horrid in NN4.7... grey background (no
| background color), blue-grey text...no pretty lower borders for the h2
or
| h3 tags....etc. ;o)
I hear ya, but I'm actually stumped.
why isn't nn listening to the css at all? (apart from the body declaration)
it's not like I haven't designed for nn before ...
*the puzzled one*
From elfur at members.evolt.org Sat May 19 10:23:31 2001
From: elfur at members.evolt.org (Elfur Logadottir)
Date: Sat May 19 10:23:31 2001
Subject: [thesite] the evolt themes burstout
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010519103406.00a6b230@mail.frognet.net> <111001c0e072$16de12c0$40aefea9@DWARFS>
Message-ID: <111a01c0e077$a2300540$40aefea9@DWARFS>
From: "Elfur Logadottir"
| | Neat page in IE however it looks horrid in NN4.7... grey background (no
| | background color), blue-grey text...no pretty lower borders for the h2
| or
| | h3 tags....etc. ;o)
|
| I hear ya, but I'm actually stumped.
|
never mind, i figured it out - stupid ns.
it doesn't look as it's supposed to, but I'll live ...
*the stupid one*
From mwarden at odyssey-design.com Sat May 19 11:07:16 2001
From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt)
Date: Sat May 19 11:07:16 2001
Subject: [thesite] someone playing with t.e.o?
References: <3B0635EC.7000203@starkmedia.com>
Message-ID: <009401c0e07d$d89a7970$93ac1b18@patk3mzsmhxpqb>
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> its throwing an error on the top page..
>
> just wondering, i'm trying to throw some new code up there.
getting the same error on weo.e.o, f.e.o, and t.e.o. Oracle is
puking, no?
Those are all on the leo box, I believe.
If i matters, I get the error in a different place depending on
whether I have the "remember me" cookie or not.
r0ck,
- --
mattwarden
mattwarden.com
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From jeff at members.evolt.org Sat May 19 13:10:06 2001
From: jeff at members.evolt.org (jeff)
Date: Sat May 19 13:10:06 2001
Subject: [thesite] someone playing with t.e.o?
In-Reply-To: <3B0635EC.7000203@starkmedia.com>
Message-ID:
djc,
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: From: Daniel J. Cody
:
: its throwing an error on the top page..
:
: just wondering, i'm trying to throw some
: new code up there.
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
fwiw, it's oracle puking again -- like it did recently on w.e.o. restart
the db service and maybe the cf service too and all will be fine.
thanks,
.jeff
name://jeff.howden
game://web.development
http://www.evolt.org/
mailto:jeff at members.evolt.org
From elfur at members.evolt.org Sat May 19 13:25:17 2001
From: elfur at members.evolt.org (Elfur Logadottir)
Date: Sat May 19 13:25:17 2001
Subject: [thesite] the evolt themes burstout
References: <10b601c0e06e$47eb4800$40aefea9@DWARFS>
Message-ID: <116701c0e091$07b758f0$40aefea9@DWARFS>
From: "Elfur Logadottir"
| http://members.evolt.org/elfur/evolt/themes/index.html
|
and i'm bored, so i added three more blatant color themes
please feel free to try it yourself and send us your result.
you can either send the stylesheet itself and mccreath and/or i will store
it for you, or you can set up your own evolt stylesheet space somewhere and
send a link to it.
later
elfur
From roselli at earthlink.net Sat May 19 13:31:22 2001
From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark)
Date: Sat May 19 13:31:22 2001
Subject: [thesite] the evolt themes burstout
In-Reply-To: <116701c0e091$07b758f0$40aefea9@DWARFS>
Message-ID: <3B068345.25326.2C438C88@localhost>
> From: "Elfur Logadottir"
>
> | http://members.evolt.org/elfur/evolt/themes/index.html
> |
>
> and i'm bored, so i added three more blatant color themes
good for you...
> please feel free to try it yourself and send us your result.
> you can either send the stylesheet itself and mccreath and/or i will
> store it for you, or you can set up your own evolt stylesheet space
> somewhere and send a link to it.
you should know that silver, lavender, green, and blurange on my
site were all created by isaac... i just posted them (i maybe coded
them, too, but who the hell knows)...
anyway, i'm refining my heaven/hell themes now (never got around
to it) and working on a new 'stealth' theme...
yeah.
i'm now wearing pants...
From elfur at members.evolt.org Sat May 19 13:35:37 2001
From: elfur at members.evolt.org (Elfur Logadottir)
Date: Sat May 19 13:35:37 2001
Subject: [thesite] the evolt themes burstout
References: <3B068345.25326.2C438C88@localhost>
Message-ID: <117501c0e092$78e56340$40aefea9@DWARFS>
From: "aardvark"
| > and i'm bored, so i added three more blatant color themes
|
| good for you...
heh, thanks - i think.
| you should know that silver, lavender, green, and blurange on my
| site were all created by isaac... i just posted them (i maybe coded
| them, too, but who the hell knows)...
oh, ok, I'll change that.
| anyway, i'm refining my heaven/hell themes now (never got around
| to it) and working on a new 'stealth' theme...
please let us know when ready.
| i'm now wearing pants...
and this time I *know* it's not pleather.
From roselli at earthlink.net Sat May 19 16:12:22 2001
From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark)
Date: Sat May 19 16:12:22 2001
Subject: [thesite] new styles
Message-ID: <3B06A8F7.27337.2CD6D1DC@localhost>
4 styles, 2 of 'em are refactored older ones:
- Stealth
- A Fist Apart
and the refactored ones:
- Heaven
- Hell
(those of you who care, you might notice that heaven and hell are
the negative/opposite/inversion of each other... don't believe me?
take a screen cap of each and paste them into Photoshop... either
invert one of them or paste them in one document on different
layers and play with the 'difference' mode... of course, the tab and
such didn't change...)
From mwarden at odyssey-design.com Sat May 19 18:00:28 2001
From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt)
Date: Sat May 19 18:00:28 2001
Subject: [thesite] new styles
References: <3B06A8F7.27337.2CD6D1DC@localhost>
Message-ID: <004f01c0e0b7$90fed270$93ac1b18@patk3mzsmhxpqb>
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> - Stealth
fyi, this one is barely readable on my laptop's monitor. might want
to try greater contrast. wait, did I just give design advice? ick.
i'm going now...
- --
mattwarden
mattwarden.com
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From roselli at earthlink.net Sat May 19 19:12:34 2001
From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark)
Date: Sat May 19 19:12:34 2001
Subject: [thesite] new styles
In-Reply-To: <004f01c0e0b7$90fed270$93ac1b18@patk3mzsmhxpqb>
Message-ID: <3B06D32F.21336.2D7BC241@localhost>
> From: "Warden, Matt"
>
> > - Stealth
>
> fyi, this one is barely readable on my laptop's monitor. might want to
> try greater contrast. wait, did I just give design advice? ick. i'm
> going now...
feh, it's nearly illegible on my machine as well...
that's the point... it's *stealth*... if you can't see it, then neither can
the guy looking over your shoulder...
From joshua at alphashop.net Sat May 19 21:31:49 2001
From: joshua at alphashop.net (Joshua OIson)
Date: Sat May 19 21:31:49 2001
Subject: [thesite] more damn schemes!
References: <005b01c0e009$bbc3e940$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> <025401c0e014$151158c0$7be9a1d1@mef>
Message-ID: <026b01c0e0d5$51aafc70$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com>
Michelle (and Dan)
Okay.. added most of the colors. Only a couple left unaccounted for now.
Let me know what else I can set up.
> Can we edit a scheme? Each time I save, I need to give it a new name.
To answer your question about changing a scheme... I'd love to set up a way
to edit a scheme and save right over the top of it, but claiming ownership
on a scheme so you can modify it is a little bit less than trivial. While I
am experienced with logins etc, I'm not sure I want to pursue that right
now. Most likely, I'll just code with without that ownership concept, then
if it gets incorporated into the main system I can just use the built in
ownership model. Make sense. For now, just modify a scheme and save it
back out as a new name or whatever.
> Future implementation, can this be incorporated some way to allow users
> (logged in members) to create and pick their own stylesheets?
Maybe in the future. This thing is still infant... let's let it grow up a
bit first!
-joshua
From michele at wordpro.on.ca Sat May 19 23:11:44 2001
From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster)
Date: Sat May 19 23:11:44 2001
Subject: [thesite] more damn schemes!
References: <005b01c0e009$bbc3e940$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> <025401c0e014$151158c0$7be9a1d1@mef> <026b01c0e0d5$51aafc70$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com>
Message-ID: <047601c0e0e3$0c201100$7be9a1d1@mef>
Hey Josh,
Thanks for the additions.
I noticed several different schemes have been created, are those yours?
They are all really good.
I'll modify my sunset theme a bit more.
How can I USE a theme? I'm building x app. and really like a theme on that
page, what's the CSS file I need to work with?
I really like this tool. Anyone else on thesite been playing around with
it? Whatcha all think of it? (http://members.evolt.org/joshua/)
Michele
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joshua OIson"
| Michelle (and Dan)
|
| Okay.. added most of the colors. Only a couple left unaccounted for now.
| Let me know what else I can set up.
From mwarden at odyssey-design.com Sun May 20 00:36:40 2001
From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt)
Date: Sun May 20 00:36:40 2001
Subject: [thesite] more damn schemes!
References: <005b01c0e009$bbc3e940$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> <025401c0e014$151158c0$7be9a1d1@mef> <026b01c0e0d5$51aafc70$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> <047601c0e0e3$0c201100$7be9a1d1@mef>
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> I noticed several different schemes have been created, are those
> yours? They are all really good.
Um, "Blooey" is me fooling around with the app. It r0ckx0rzez, by the
way.
g'night,
- --
mattwarden
mattwarden.com
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From judi at frognet.net Sun May 20 12:40:33 2001
From: judi at frognet.net (Judith Taylor)
Date: Sun May 20 12:40:33 2001
Subject: [thesite] t.e.o still puked by Oracle
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010520133558.00a9b830@mail.frognet.net>
Has anyone restarted the Oracle and CF servers for t.e.o?
Judith Taylor
ICQ: 67460562
Freelance ColdFusion Developer - Athens, OH
Friends don't let friends code before coffee.
From judi at frognet.net Sun May 20 13:52:18 2001
From: judi at frognet.net (Judith Taylor)
Date: Sun May 20 13:52:18 2001
Subject: [thesite] Oracle puking
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010520144521.00a2b0c0@mail.frognet.net>
Just an addendum to my first question.....Oracle seems to be puking at two
different points for t.e.o
If I still have a cookie set by w.e.o, t.e.o is puked by the cookie's
existence. If I logout (thereby destroying the cookie) it pukes on the
content, users, categorys tables in the 'main' query.
All because in trying to get these comments done, I try to see what they
look like in action....w.e.o doesn't quite work the same.....*drama queen
sigh* ;o)
Judith
Judith Taylor
ICQ: 67460562
Freelance ColdFusion Developer - Athens, OH
Friends don't let friends code before coffee.
From judi at frognet.net Sun May 20 13:56:38 2001
From: judi at frognet.net (Judith Taylor)
Date: Sun May 20 13:56:38 2001
Subject: [thesite] Oracle puking
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010520144521.00a2b0c0@mail.frognet.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010520145528.00a31120@mail.frognet.net>
OK, so I was wrong about w.e.o....*mutters about paying closer attention to
the urls when doing things*
*sigh*
I put into words:
>Just an addendum to my first question.....Oracle seems to be puking at two
>different points for t.e.o
>
>If I still have a cookie set by w.e.o, t.e.o is puked by the cookie's
>existence. If I logout (thereby destroying the cookie) it pukes on the
>content, users, categorys tables in the 'main' query.
>
>All because in trying to get these comments done, I try to see what they
>look like in action....w.e.o doesn't quite work the same.....*drama queen
>sigh* ;o)
Judith Taylor
ICQ: 67460562
Freelance ColdFusion Developer - Athens, OH
Friends don't let friends code before coffee.
From ppxsjc1 at unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk Sun May 20 15:36:39 2001
From: ppxsjc1 at unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk (Simon Coggins)
Date: Sun May 20 15:36:39 2001
Subject: [thesite] Colour schemes
Message-ID:
Hi All,
I've just had a look at the evolt colour schemes that everyone has been
working on. Although I really like most of them, I thought that in general
they were much brighter than the schemes used on the existing pages.
I've been playing around with the directory over the weekend and I've
uploaded a new version to my members area:
http://members.evolt.org/astro38/evolt/
For now I've used the emerald colour scheme. If it's not possible to use
that one, the two purple ones also seem to match okay too.
What does everyone think?
Simon
From mwarden at odyssey-design.com Sun May 20 16:31:29 2001
From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt)
Date: Sun May 20 16:31:29 2001
Subject: [thesite] Colour schemes
References:
Message-ID: <009701c0e174$1f0bd920$93ac1b18@patk3mzsmhxpqb>
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> I've been playing around with the directory over the weekend and
> I've uploaded a new version to my members area:
>
> http://members.evolt.org/astro38/evolt/
>
> For now I've used the emerald colour scheme. If it's not possible
> to use that one, the two purple ones also seem to match okay too.
The emerald one is not in use. The light purple one is called by me,
though ;-)
Btw, the emerald looks nice.
Fwiw, my picture of d.e.o was a dull-reddish (more red than meo)
version. Just thought I'd throw that out there.
One suggestion:
http://members.evolt.org/astro38/evolt/index.php?viewCat=2
More vertical space between folders and items in that directory.
g'day,
- --
mattwarden
mattwarden.com
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From djc at starkmedia.com Sun May 20 22:44:16 2001
From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody)
Date: Sun May 20 22:44:16 2001
Subject: [thesite] Oracle puking
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010520144521.00a2b0c0@mail.frognet.net>
Message-ID: <3B088EDC.72898227@starkmedia.com>
should be good to go now.. i had to buy some new memory for oracle today
and just got it installed..
dean et al, everything should be good to go now, its back to 324M of ram
sorry took so long :)
Judith Taylor wrote:
>
> Just an addendum to my first question.....Oracle seems to be puking at two
> different points for t.e.o
>
> If I still have a cookie set by w.e.o, t.e.o is puked by the cookie's
> existence. If I logout (thereby destroying the cookie) it pukes on the
> content, users, categorys tables in the 'main' query.
>
> All because in trying to get these comments done, I try to see what they
> look like in action....w.e.o doesn't quite work the same.....*drama queen
> sigh* ;o)
>
> Judith
>
> Judith Taylor
> ICQ: 67460562
> Freelance ColdFusion Developer - Athens, OH
>
> Friends don't let friends code before coffee.
>
> _______________________________________________
> http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/
> and new & improved kentucky fried old archives:
> http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/
From djc at starkmedia.com Sun May 20 22:45:36 2001
From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody)
Date: Sun May 20 22:45:36 2001
Subject: [thesite] Colour schemes
References:
Message-ID: <3B088F2B.A223B0B@starkmedia.com>
looks yummy!! did you get the FTP info i sent you and colette for d.e.o?
.djc.
Simon Coggins wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I've just had a look at the evolt colour schemes that everyone has been
> working on. Although I really like most of them, I thought that in general
> they were much brighter than the schemes used on the existing pages.
>
> I've been playing around with the directory over the weekend and I've
> uploaded a new version to my members area:
>
> http://members.evolt.org/astro38/evolt/
>
> For now I've used the emerald colour scheme. If it's not possible to use
> that one, the two purple ones also seem to match okay too.
>
> What does everyone think?
>
> Simon
>
> _______________________________________________
> http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/
> and new & improved kentucky fried old archives:
> http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/
From djc at starkmedia.com Sun May 20 22:46:31 2001
From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody)
Date: Sun May 20 22:46:31 2001
Subject: [thesite] someone playing with t.e.o?
References:
Message-ID: <3B088F63.9C20C33B@starkmedia.com>
good to go, sorry about the interuption.
jeff wrote:
>
> djc,
>
> :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> : From: Daniel J. Cody
> :
> : its throwing an error on the top page..
> :
> : just wondering, i'm trying to throw some
> : new code up there.
> :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> fwiw, it's oracle puking again -- like it did recently on w.e.o. restart
> the db service and maybe the cf service too and all will be fine.
>
> thanks,
>
> .jeff
>
> name://jeff.howden
> game://web.development
> http://www.evolt.org/
> mailto:jeff at members.evolt.org
>
> _______________________________________________
> http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/
> and new & improved kentucky fried old archives:
> http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/old/
From djc at starkmedia.com Sun May 20 22:52:31 2001
From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody)
Date: Sun May 20 22:52:31 2001
Subject: [thesite] front page query..
Message-ID: <3B0890CE.EB46ECD1@starkmedia.com>
with oracle getting all its memory back, and in addition to dean
modifying the buffers, the main query on the front page is coming up in
about 5.4 seconds, not too bad :)
From dsmah at home.com Sun May 20 23:01:26 2001
From: dsmah at home.com (Dean Mah)
Date: Sun May 20 23:01:26 2001
Subject: [thesite] friday is a good day..
In-Reply-To: <01c0e069$b3b75ba0$c14a149a@rudy> from "rudy" at May 19, 2001 09:43:35 AM
Message-ID: <200105210405.WAA01330@alice.monkeyland.ca>
rudy writes:
> > Oracle optimizes the queries into almost exactly the same thing.
>
> thanks for those (output from explain plan?)
Yeah, that was from explain plan.
> i wonder if we will ever have to use oracle's HINT feature....
I tried playing with hints for the query but it didn't really affect
the performance.
Dean
From dsmah at home.com Sun May 20 23:05:31 2001
From: dsmah at home.com (Dean Mah)
Date: Sun May 20 23:05:31 2001
Subject: [thesite] friday is a good day..
In-Reply-To: <01c0e06b$069626c0$c14a149a@rudy> from "rudy" at May 19, 2001 09:53:04 AM
Message-ID: <200105210409.WAA01366@alice.monkeyland.ca>
rudy writes:
> dean, did you put an index on replies.datemod? i think that would
> really help this subquery
I didn't before. I've just added it now. I have an index on
replies.contentid which seemed to speed up the original query.
Dean
From r937 at interlog.com Mon May 21 06:45:28 2001
From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy)
Date: Mon May 21 06:45:28 2001
Subject: [thesite] friday is a good day..
Message-ID: <01c0e1ea$fa1ee720$854a149a@rudy>
>> dean, did you put an index on replies.datemod? i think that would
>> really help this subquery
>
>I didn't before. I've just added it now. I have an index on
>replies.contentid which seemed to speed up the original query.
in general, an index on a sequence-generated primary key can only help
speed up joins (and of course queries on individual records)
an index on replies.datemod might speed up queries like
where datemod > '#DateFormat(session.user.lastlogin)#'
i say "might" because it's not guaranteed, if the inequality is part of a
complex join like the query for the home page, it might ignored
the tradeoff is in updates versus retrievals, and considering how often
comments are added, having another index to update is not going to hurt
us....
rudy
From ronwhite at members.evolt.org Mon May 21 07:42:44 2001
From: ronwhite at members.evolt.org (Ron White)
Date: Mon May 21 07:42:44 2001
Subject: [thesite] Saturday is shaping up pretty nicely too...
In-Reply-To: <01c0e068$47a9b9e0$c14a149a@rudy>
Message-ID:
>started celebrating after the raptors just beat the living sh....
>oh, sorry, hope there ain't any sixers fans here...
I've been Sixers fan since the early 70's...
>game 7 in Philly...
Oops, VC missed the shot... Must've been that early morning jaunt from
Chapel Hill...
Thanks,
Ron White
From r937 at interlog.com Mon May 21 08:29:05 2001
From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy)
Date: Mon May 21 08:29:05 2001
Subject: [thesite] Saturday is shaping up pretty nicely too...
Message-ID: <01c0e1f9$ef4ed080$854a149a@rudy>
>Oops, VC missed the shot...
yeah, i guess i asked for that, eh
> Must've been that early morning jaunt from Chapel Hill...
oh, come on, that's a cheap shot -- it had nothing to do with his
performance on the court
now that the raps are gone, i'm pulling for the bucks and spurs
*anyone* but the lakers or sixers, really....
and although we don't make a big deal about it on thesite, it never hurts
to toss in a tip for wildly offtopic posts
nothing wrong with a table that's designed to hold only one row -- oracle
has one called dual (aside: anybody know where that name comes from?)
use a 1-row table to store all the miscellaneous bits of variable
information that an application might need, especially if it at first
appears that there's little chance they will change -- for example, current
sales tax rate, which doesn't change often, but when it does, you don't
want to be hunting for it in code...
rudy
From djc at starkmedia.com Mon May 21 09:17:30 2001
From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody)
Date: Mon May 21 09:17:30 2001
Subject: [thesite] Saturday is shaping up pretty nicely too...
References: <01c0e1f9$ef4ed080$854a149a@rudy>
Message-ID: <3B092349.D5B9E9@starkmedia.com>
rudy,
i was pulling for th raptors too all day.. i wanted the bucks to have
home court, and we've got a better record against the rap's :)
did you know milwaukee was undefeated against LA and SA this year in the
reg season ???
Go Bucks!
.djc.
rudy wrote:
> now that the raps are gone, i'm pulling for the bucks and spurs
>
> *anyone* but the lakers or sixers, really....
>
> and although we don't make a big deal about it on thesite, it never hurts
> to toss in a tip for wildly offtopic posts
From dsmah at home.com Mon May 21 10:37:27 2001
From: dsmah at home.com (Dean Mah)
Date: Mon May 21 10:37:27 2001
Subject: [thesite] Saturday is shaping up pretty nicely too...
In-Reply-To: <01c0e1f9$ef4ed080$854a149a@rudy> from "rudy" at May 21, 2001 09:28:34 AM
Message-ID: <200105211541.JAA00877@alice.monkeyland.ca>
The legend is that the table originally contained two rows and hence
the name dual. Don't know how true that is.
Dean
rudy writes:
> nothing wrong with a table that's designed to hold only one row --
> oracle has one called dual (aside: anybody know where that name
> comes from?)
From mccreath at ak.net Tue May 22 08:15:00 2001
From: mccreath at ak.net (mccreath)
Date: Tue May 22 08:15:00 2001
Subject: [thesite] d.e.o layout
Message-ID:
Hey, Simon--
d.e.o is looking great. I like that emerald scheme and I'm glad it's being
used. :)
I have some questions about the layout for the group in general.
When we started migrating l.e.o and b.e.o to the new layout back in January
we talked about leaving the blacktabnavbarthingie at the top of the page the
same on all the domains, with the nav menu in it. Should we continue with
that? In the case of d.e.o it would mean moving the search field, probably
down into the side bar where it is on w.e.o. Does that seem reasonable?
The other question is about the breadcrumbs and the sidebar. On the other
domains, the sidebar is always in contact with the blacktabnavbarthingie,
which I think I prefer to the gap that d.e.o's breadcrumb trail currently
creates.
Opinions?
David
From michele at wordpro.on.ca Tue May 22 08:19:40 2001
From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster)
Date: Tue May 22 08:19:40 2001
Subject: [thesite] Question .. Searching by Author's Comments
Message-ID: <00af01c0e2c1$f5348800$f0129ad8@mef>
Hey folks ..
Quickie question .. Is there a way to search for an author's comments? I
see how we can get a list of articles an author has written .. what about
comments? (I can't find it anywhere.. I'm not saying we need it .. I'm just
asking it it exists and if I'm missing it.)
Thanks,
Michele
From roselli at earthlink.net Tue May 22 08:25:00 2001
From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark)
Date: Tue May 22 08:25:00 2001
Subject: [thesite] d.e.o layout
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID: <3B0A2F67.28745.3A9C801C@localhost>
> From:"mccreath"
[...]
> When we started migrating l.e.o and b.e.o to the new layout back in
> January we talked about leaving the blacktabnavbarthingie at the top
> of the page the same on all the domains, with the nav menu in it.
> Should we continue with that? In the case of d.e.o it would mean
> moving the search field, probably down into the side bar where it is
> on w.e.o. Does that seem reasonable?
the layout should match on all sites, as much as possible...
search fields should appear in the same place as they do on weo...
and the blacktabnavbarthingie is sacrosanct and should always
appear as it does on the weo site...
> The other question is about the breadcrumbs and the sidebar. On the
> other domains, the sidebar is always in contact with the
> blacktabnavbarthingie, which I think I prefer to the gap that d.e.o's
> breadcrumb trail currently creates.
sounds bad, but have no recollection what the full url is to deo, so i
can't comment other than to say, if it splits from the style of weo, it
needs to be checked...
From michele at wordpro.on.ca Tue May 22 08:26:51 2001
From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster)
Date: Tue May 22 08:26:51 2001
Subject: [thesite] d.e.o layout
References:
Message-ID: <00b401c0e2c2$f4871480$f0129ad8@mef>
Hey David ...
----- Original Message -----
From: "mccreath"
| Hey, Simon--
|
| d.e.o is looking great. I like that emerald scheme and I'm glad it's being
| used. :)
|
| I have some questions about the layout for the group in general.
|
| When we started migrating l.e.o and b.e.o to the new layout back in
January
| we talked about leaving the blacktabnavbarthingie at the top of the page
the
| same on all the domains, with the nav menu in it. Should we continue with
| that? In the case of d.e.o it would mean moving the search field, probably
| down into the side bar where it is on w.e.o. Does that seem reasonable?
I thought of this .... feo won't match .. regardless .. that's not to say
that deo shouldn't though. I'd agree with you .. to move the search down
and keep the consistency on the top as with the other domains.
|
| The other question is about the breadcrumbs and the sidebar. On the other
| domains, the sidebar is always in contact with the blacktabnavbarthingie,
| which I think I prefer to the gap that d.e.o's breadcrumb trail currently
| creates.
Good point .. can the bread crumbs trail still be the top item on the upper
left corner? just split that row into the two columns, so that the darker
green on the right hand side is at the top, and delete the additional cell
line? Is this what you had in mind?
On another note.. I've a bunch of comments myself .. got side-tracked
finishing that email .. sending it in a few.
Michele
From michele at wordpro.on.ca Tue May 22 08:28:41 2001
From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster)
Date: Tue May 22 08:28:41 2001
Subject: [thesite] d.e.o layout
References: <3B0A2F67.28745.3A9C801C@localhost>
Message-ID: <00bb01c0e2c3$37a47a00$f0129ad8@mef>
Adrian,
|
| sounds bad, but have no recollection what the full url is to deo, so i
| can't comment other than to say, if it splits from the style of weo, it
| needs to be checked...
|
Current version is at: http://members.evolt.org/astro38/evolt/index.php
M
From ppxsjc1 at unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk Tue May 22 09:13:57 2001
From: ppxsjc1 at unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk (Simon Coggins)
Date: Tue May 22 09:13:57 2001
Subject: [thesite] d.e.o layout
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID:
> When we started migrating l.e.o and b.e.o to the new layout back in January
> we talked about leaving the blacktabnavbarthingie at the top of the page the
> same on all the domains, with the nav menu in it. Should we continue with
> that? In the case of d.e.o it would mean moving the search field, probably
> down into the side bar where it is on w.e.o. Does that seem reasonable?
Very reasonable. I agree it would be much more consistent to keep the pull
down menu. In the same place on all the sections of the site.
The reason I did it this way in the first place was because I had trouble
getting the search to fit in the sidebar nicely. Does anyone know an
effective way to get cross-browser and cross-platform consistency in the
width of text fields?
I know you can do but that varies dramatically between IE
and NN. It's also possible with CSS using input { width: Xpx; } but does
that work in NN4, and what will happen in even older browsers? Finally,
does anyone know how the font size affects the size of the box?
I don't like the idea of the search box being too small, but if it gets
too big it will start invading the main body area.
> The other question is about the breadcrumbs and the sidebar. On the other
> domains, the sidebar is always in contact with the blacktabnavbarthingie,
> which I think I prefer to the gap that d.e.o's breadcrumb trail currently
> creates.
Yes, I agree on this too. This one was just laziness on my part. Rather
than sorting out the mess of colspans and rowspans in the layout I just
created a new table and slotted it inbetween the black tab and the
content tables. I'm planning to do a bit of work on the HTML soon anyway
(to make the style of the headings the same as the result of evolt), so
I'll fix this at the same time.
As a sneak preview, here are a couple of other features that will hopefully
be added soon:
- "friendly" urls for the categories. e.g:
dir.evolt.org/coding/client-side/css/
rather than:
dir.evolt.org/index.php?viewCat=15
- numbers specifying the number of links in a category. e.g:
client-side (14)
server-side (23)
This should help to further distinguish subcategories from links.
Any other ideas for improvements are encouraged - although no promises can
be made on exactly when this will all get done!
Thanks,
Simon
From michele at wordpro.on.ca Tue May 22 09:20:27 2001
From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster)
Date: Tue May 22 09:20:27 2001
Subject: [thesite] d.e.o. Review
References:
Message-ID: <00e601c0e2ca$6ea126a0$f0129ad8@mef>
Hi Simon,
Some suggestions for d.e.o. presented below:
Emerald theme looks great. If you want to use one of the newer ones, that
are brighter, that's fine as well.
Anyway, can I search for a string, or based on two criteria, where both
match? For example, searching for Perl Tutorials, returns all of Perl and
all of Tutorials, where in fact, what I really wanted was just "Perl
Tutorials". I tried it with the quotes and that returned no matches, and
changed the search box to a "/". Perl + Tutorials didn't return my intended
results either.
Suggested text changes,
About
1st para "... all aspects of Web Design." change to "... Web
Design/Development."
Future Plans ..
"This site is by no means complete. As well as the directory growing due to
visitor suggestions to cover all aspects of web design, we hope the site
will continue to evolve and improve over time."
ouch .. suggested changes...
"This directory will evolve and improve over time as users suggest sites for
inclusion covering all aspects of web design and development."
No changes to the rest ..
Guidelines ...
My modifications presented below.
------
What to submit
There are no restrictions to the type of links posted on this site, as long
as they fall beneath the broad umbrella of Web Design/Development.
Suggestions can be to an entire website or a single article.
Personal sites will not be accepted, unless they contain significant amounts
of relevant material. There are plenty of other resources that do a better
job of keeping track of personal sites.
This directory aims to get web professionals to the information they need
quickly and with minimal hassle. It is hoped that sites linked will also
reflect this policy; well-designed sites with good navigation and plenty of
accurate, useful content are preferred.
How to submit
Before submitting suggestions, please search the directory to ensure your
link is not already included. If your link is similar to existing entries,
please consider if it offers anything additional not already provided by the
existing links. When writing descriptions for links or categories, please
try to be concise, and consider what information is useful to a user of this
directory. Please mention any technical requirements such as Flash or Java.
When adding a link, select the most relevant existing category or create a
new subcategory. Navigate to the selected category then click on "suggest a
link" and fill in the form.
-----
One last thought, would it be useful for other members to be reviewers?
Sort of like DMOZ's approach whereby those that know the topic
review/approve links? IOW, if you need help/assistance, holler, let us
know. I'll gladly take a few sub-categories and review the links submitted.
Can we start populating the sub-categories now?
Thanks for all the hard work .. this is a great resource.
Michele
----- Original Message -----
From: "Simon Coggins"
|
| http://members.evolt.org/astro38/evolt/
From jeff at members.evolt.org Tue May 22 10:44:48 2001
From: jeff at members.evolt.org (jeff)
Date: Tue May 22 10:44:48 2001
Subject: [thesite] Question .. Searching by Author's Comments
In-Reply-To: <00af01c0e2c1$f5348800$f0129ad8@mef>
Message-ID:
michele,
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: From: Michele Foster
:
: Quickie question .. Is there a way to search
: for an author's comments?
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
you mean like this?
(http://www.evolt.org/comment/search/index.html?searchtext=.jeff&tid=0&sort=
author&maxrows=10)
thanks,
.jeff
name://jeff.howden
game://web.development
http://www.evolt.org/
mailto:jeff at members.evolt.org
From McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us Tue May 22 10:54:48 2001
From: McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us (McCreath_David)
Date: Tue May 22 10:54:48 2001
Subject: [thesite] d.e.o layout
Message-ID: <9627DBCB3063D311BC4B00902785C55F02A127CB@EXPO1>
>From: Simon Coggins
>
>Very reasonable. I agree it would be much more consistent to
>keep the pull down menu. In the same place on all the sections
>of the site.
>
>The reason I did it this way in the first place was because I
>had trouble getting the search to fit in the sidebar nicely.
>Does anyone know an effective way to get cross-browser and
>cross-platform consistency in the width of text fields?
I've had the most success putting a style attribute directly into the input
tag like this:
Most of the new browsers will spread the text input across the full width of
the outside container, in this case the sidebar. The older ones will just
use the width attribute. From there you could go to an advanced search page
if you want to give people more choices or more room to type.
>Yes, I agree on this too. This one was just laziness on my part. Rather
>than sorting out the mess of colspans and rowspans in the layout I just
>created a new table and slotted it inbetween the black tab and the
>content tables. I'm planning to do a bit of work on the HTML
>soon anyway
>(to make the style of the headings the same as the result of evolt), so
>I'll fix this at the same time.
If you look at the Tip Harvester on l.e.o:
http://lists.evolt.org/index.cfm/a/harvest
and drill down a little, you'll see how we handled it there. It's just a
cell and the text wraps in it. You could also just use a paragraph. If your
code requires the table to build the trail, you could just drop your table
in the top of that main content cell.
> - "friendly" urls for the categories. e.g:
>
> dir.evolt.org/coding/client-side/css/
>
> rather than:
>
> dir.evolt.org/index.php?viewCat=15
Cool.
> - numbers specifying the number of links in a category. e.g:
>
> client-side (14)
> server-side (23)
>
>This should help to further distinguish subcategories from links.
Cool.
>Simon
Thanks for all your work, Simon.
David
From ppxsjc1 at unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk Tue May 22 10:56:18 2001
From: ppxsjc1 at unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk (Simon Coggins)
Date: Tue May 22 10:56:18 2001
Subject: [thesite] d.e.o. Review
In-Reply-To: <00e601c0e2ca$6ea126a0$f0129ad8@mef>
Message-ID:
> Anyway, can I search for a string, or based on two criteria, where both
> match? For example, searching for Perl Tutorials, returns all of Perl and
> all of Tutorials, where in fact, what I really wanted was just "Perl
> Tutorials". I tried it with the quotes and that returned no matches, and
> changed the search box to a "/". Perl + Tutorials didn't return my intended
> results either.
The search facility is currently very basic. It just finds all cases that
contain any of the words typed. This is because it's run as an SQL query
to match the fields in the database. The SQL syntax is:
WHERE ( (Description LIKE '%$word1%') OR
(LinkName LIKE '%$word1%') OR
(Url LIKE '%$word1%') )
OR ( (Description LIKE '%$word2%') OR
(LinkName LIKE '%$word2%') OR
(Url LIKE '%$word2%') )
I really wouldn't know where to start writing a search engine from
scratch, and I haven't had time to do my homework on a better
solution. There are a couple of possibilities:
- find some existing PHP/MySQL code to improve the logic of the search,
and plug it into the existing directory code.
- use an existing search like HTDig or Atomz. These wouldn't let you query
the database in the same way, so you wouldn't be able to integrate the
search quite as well by this approach (for example - the current search
displays the link, plus which category/ies it is from).
Right now, it's not perfect but it does work. Unless anyone has any
inspiration, I think we might have to leave this one until some of the
other issues are sorted out.
> Suggested text changes
The text needed some work. It seems you've just done it for me. Thanks,
I'll make the changes.
> One last thought, would it be useful for other members to be reviewers?
> Sort of like DMOZ's approach whereby those that know the topic
> review/approve links? IOW, if you need help/assistance, holler, let us
> know. I'll gladly take a few sub-categories and review the links submitted.
This is what I originially had in mind, yes. I have created a web-based
admin section for the site where entries can be viewed, edited, approved
and deleted. At the moment there is no seperation by categories, so if we
did this the reviewers would have to have an informal agreement as to
which categories they would maintain. I'll try to improve the admin
section once everything gets up and running - for now I've made work on
the directory itself top priority.
> Can we start populating the sub-categories now?
Of course! The more (good quality) links the better it will be. For now
I'm happy to do all the moderation (it's a great way to find out about new
sites!).
Regards,
Simon
From michele at wordpro.on.ca Tue May 22 11:32:39 2001
From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster)
Date: Tue May 22 11:32:39 2001
Subject: [thesite] Question .. Searching by Author's Comments
References:
Message-ID: <018e01c0e2dc$ea676120$f0129ad8@mef>
hmmm.. so there is a way ... shows ya what I know (or don't as the case may
be).
This isn't linked directly off weo is it? I couldn't find it.
Thanks Jeff
M
----- Original Message -----
From: "jeff"
| michele,
|
| :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
| : From: Michele Foster
| :
| : Quickie question .. Is there a way to search
| : for an author's comments?
| :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
|
| you mean like this?
|
|
(http://www.evolt.org/comment/search/index.html?searchtext=.jeff&tid=0&sort=
| author&maxrows=10)
From judi at frognet.net Tue May 22 11:45:14 2001
From: judi at frognet.net (Judith Taylor)
Date: Tue May 22 11:45:14 2001
Subject: [thesite] d.e.o. Review
In-Reply-To:
References: <00e601c0e2ca$6ea126a0$f0129ad8@mef>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010522123914.00a44a70@mail.frognet.net>
Well, one thing you might look at is using Verity to create indexes of the
data....I know it's fairly straightforward for use with ColdFusion....
With Verity, you can have it index pages, various text formats, as well as
specified database information. It will also lessen the overhead impact on
the database - fewer calls and allows for Boolean searches...and other
complex searches.
Something to consider at least. :o)
Judith
Simon Coggins put into words:
> > Anyway, can I search for a string, or based on two criteria, where both
> > match? For example, searching for Perl Tutorials, returns all of Perl and
> > all of Tutorials, where in fact, what I really wanted was just "Perl
> > Tutorials". I tried it with the quotes and that returned no matches, and
> > changed the search box to a "/". Perl + Tutorials didn't return my
> intended
> > results either.
>
>The search facility is currently very basic. It just finds all cases that
>contain any of the words typed. This is because it's run as an SQL query
>to match the fields in the database. The SQL syntax is:
Judith Taylor
ICQ: 67460562
Freelance ColdFusion Developer - Athens, OH
Friends don't let friends code before coffee.
From jeff at members.evolt.org Tue May 22 11:52:54 2001
From: jeff at members.evolt.org (jeff)
Date: Tue May 22 11:52:54 2001
Subject: [thesite] Question .. Searching by Author's Comments
In-Reply-To: <018e01c0e2dc$ea676120$f0129ad8@mef>
Message-ID:
michele,
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: From: Michele Foster
:
: This isn't linked directly off weo is it? I
: couldn't find it.
:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
yeah, but only for admins. you'll find the word "comments" a link to this
search tool under the admin - comments section in the sidebar.
thanks,
.jeff
name://jeff.howden
game://web.development
http://www.evolt.org/
mailto:jeff at members.evolt.org
From wolfboy69 at earthlink.net Tue May 22 11:54:29 2001
From: wolfboy69 at earthlink.net (Michael Wolfe)
Date: Tue May 22 11:54:29 2001
Subject: [thesite] d.e.o. Review
In-Reply-To:
References: <00e601c0e2ca$6ea126a0$f0129ad8@mef>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010522093634.00a826d0@mail.earthlink.net>
Hi All!
(At last! The lurker chimes in! :-) )
At 04:56 PM 5/22/01 +0100, you wrote:
>- find some existing PHP/MySQL code to improve the logic of the search,
>and plug it into the existing directory code.
I was working on a search engine for one my my sites, and I found a great
snippet of PHP code at zend.com...
>Right now, it's not perfect but it does work. Unless anyone has any
>inspiration, I think we might have to leave this one until some of the
>other issues are sorted out.
I modified the code into a library of functions for searching, but I
haqven't had the time to merge them into a class (yet).
I'm attaching the function library, for the use of anyone who wants
it. You will have to rewrite the search query, since it applies to my
blogger database. :-)
The only function you need to use in the library is "getSearchStringItems",
which takes the search string as a required parameter.
Boolean AND, OR, NOT will work, as well as + and -.
I hope this helps!
-------------- next part --------------
".$pieces[$k]." turned the flag $flag.
\n";
/* Move on to the next word. */
$k++;
/* Keep reading until the end of the string as long as the $flag is on. */
while ( $flag == "on" && ( $k < count( $pieces ) ) )
{
/* If the word doesn't end in double quotes, append it to the $tmpstring. */
if ( substr(trim($pieces[$k]), -1) != '"' )
{
/* Tack this word onto the current string entity. */
$tmpstring .= " $pieces[$k]";
/* Move on to the next word. */
$k++;
continue;
}
/* If the $piece ends in double quotes, strip the double quotes, tack the
$piece onto the tail of the string, push the $tmpstring onto the $haves,
kill the $tmpstring, turn the $flag "off", and return. */
else
{
$tmpstring .= " ".trim ( ereg_replace( '"', " ", $pieces[$k] ) );
/* Push the $tmpstring onto the array of stuff to search for. */
$objects[] = trim($tmpstring);
/* Kill the $tmpstring. */
unset ( $tmpstring );
/* Turn off the flag to exit the loop. */
$flag = "off";
//print "
$pieces[$k] turned the flag $flag.
\n";
}
}
}
}
/* #################################################
Objects are now defined.
################################################# */
/* Now we've got our objects defined. We must now determine
the relationships among them. By running through them and
picking out key words or symbols. Relationships are
determined by the presence of the Boolean keywords "AND",
"OR", and "NOT", as well as the operators "+" and "-". */
for ( $j=0; $j\n";
$haves[] = trim(ereg_replace("^\+", " ", $objects[$j]));
}
/* If the object starts in "-" it goes on the havenots[]. */
if ( substr ( $objects[$j], 0, 1 ) == "-" )
{
$havenots[] = trim(ereg_replace("^-", " ", $objects[$j]));
//$j++;
}
/* END CHECKING THE CURRENT OBJECT */
/* BEGIN CHECKING THE NEXT OBJECT */
if ( $objects[$j+1] == "AND" )
{
/* Hop onto the "AND". */
$j++;
if ( ! ereg("^[\+-]", $objects[$j-1]) )
{
$haves[] = $objects[$j-1];
}
else { /* Just hang tight. */ }
$haves[] = $objects[$j+1];
while ( $objects[$j+2] == "OR" )
{
// Hop on top of the OR.
$j = $j+2;
$haves[] = $objects[$j+1];
}
}
elseif ( $objects[$j+1] == "NOT")
{
/* Hop on the NOT. */
$j++;
$alternates[] = $objects[$j-1];
$havenots[] = $objects[$j+1];
while ( $objects[$j+2] == "OR" )
{
// Hop on top of the OR.
$j = $j+2;
$havenots[] = $objects[$j+1];
}
}
elseif ( $objects[$j+1] == "OR" )
{
/* Hop onto the OR. */
$j++;
$alternates[] = $objects[$j-1];
$alternates[] = $objects[$j+1];
}
else
{
/* It's just a regular word, throw it on the alternates. */
if ( ( substr($objects[$j], 0, 1) != "+" ) && ( substr($objects[$j], 0, 1) != "-" ) && ( $objects[$j-1] != "AND" ) && ( $objects[$j-1] != "NOT" ) )
{
$alternates[] = $objects[$j];
}
}
}
/* END CHECKING THE NEXT OBJECT */
/******** BEGIN FILTER ********/
/* Sort the arrays. */
sort ( $haves );
sort ( $havenots );
sort ( $alternates );
/* End sorting. */
/* Remove duplicates within each array. */
$haves = flush_dupes($haves);
$havenots = flush_dupes($havenots);
$alternates = flush_dupes($alternates);
/* End removing duplicates within each array. */
/* Eliminate all of the duplicated values between the haves and alternates array. */
$alternates = rank_arrays ( $haves, $alternates );
$alternates = rank_arrays ( $havenots, $alternates );
$haves = rank_arrays ( $havenots, $haves );
/* End eliminating duplicates between arrays. */
$searchString[haves] = $haves;
$searchString[havenots] = $havenots;
$searchString[alternates] = $alternates;
/******** END FILTER ********/
return $searchString;
}
function getSearchStringItems($searchString)
{
$haves = $searchString[haves];
$havenots = $searchString[havenots];
$alternates = $searchString[alternates];
$query = "SELECT item_id, item_name, SUBSTRING(item_description,1,100) AS item_teaser,createdate";
$query .= " FROM item WHERE";
if (!empty($haves))
{
$andKicker = 0;
for($i=0; $i
From ppxsjc1 at unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk Tue May 22 12:22:50 2001
From: ppxsjc1 at unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk (Simon Coggins)
Date: Tue May 22 12:22:50 2001
Subject: [thesite] d.e.o. Review
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010522093634.00a826d0@mail.earthlink.net>
Message-ID:
> I was working on a search engine for one my my sites, and I found a great
> snippet of PHP code at zend.com...
>
> I'm attaching the function library, for the use of anyone who wants
> it. You will have to rewrite the search query, since it applies to my
> blogger database. :-)
Man, that's exactly what we need - thanks a lot!
Would you say this is mostly your work or still mostly zend.com code that
you modified? (Just want to know who to credit).
Thanks,
Simon
From wolfboy69 at earthlink.net Tue May 22 12:39:40 2001
From: wolfboy69 at earthlink.net (Michael Wolfe)
Date: Tue May 22 12:39:40 2001
Subject: [thesite] d.e.o. Review
In-Reply-To:
References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010522093634.00a826d0@mail.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010522103707.00a79a00@mail.earthlink.net>
Simon,
>Would you say this is mostly your work or still mostly zend.com code that
>you modified? (Just want to know who to credit).
I'd say it's about 50/50. The original code was kinda buggy. It didn't
handle booleans too well, and it only worked with one database column. The
code I sent you is more generic, and is meant to be used in a search on
multiple columns.
:-)
___________________
Michael Wolfe
Senior Software Engineer
http://www.ework.com
mwolfe at ework.com
From rthigpen at nc.rr.com Tue May 22 13:56:46 2001
From: rthigpen at nc.rr.com (Ron Thigpen)
Date: Tue May 22 13:56:46 2001
Subject: [thesite] d.e.o. Review
References: <00e601c0e2ca$6ea126a0$f0129ad8@mef> <5.1.0.14.2.20010522123914.00a44a70@mail.frognet.net>
Message-ID: <3B0AB646.D9A0372C@nc.rr.com>
I'll second this recommendation. There is some setup involved and the indexes
must be kept up to date (easy to do), but there are some great benefits.
This approach puts much less load on the database server. Searches generally
return results in about 1/10th the time of running SQL, YMMV of course. If
nothing else, you should do a test index run and compare performance and load
effects with the SQL approach. This was basically what converted me.
There is also a great deal of flexibility in this approach. Multiple indexes
can be created, one per column of interest for example, and then spanned when
searching. Checkboxes on the search form give the user control over which
collections are searched within.
The Verity search language is also quite complete, with easy to implement
operators that handle stemming, proximity and the like. See:
You generally only expose some of the language's functionality, but it is always
an option to link to some docs and provide a free-text search interface page.
Given the audience, this might be a well-used interface.
--rt
Judith Taylor wrote:
>
> Well, one thing you might look at is using Verity to create indexes of the
> data....I know it's fairly straightforward for use with ColdFusion....
From djc at starkmedia.com Tue May 22 16:46:58 2001
From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody)
Date: Tue May 22 16:46:58 2001
Subject: [thesite] faster queries on new w.e.o
Message-ID: <3B0ADDF1.36A2CBA5@starkmedia.com>
dean, those indexes made a huge difference!
articles (Records=680, Time=728ms)
SQL =
SELECT
content.contentid,
content.keyphrase,
content.contentname,
content.synopsis,
content.datemod,
content.replies,
users.userid,
users.who,
categorys.category,
categorys.categoryid,
(SELECT Count(*) FROM replies WHERE contentid = content.contentid
AND datemod > '') AS newcomments
FROM
content,
users,
categorys
WHERE
content.signoff = 1
AND content.userid = users.userid
AND content.categoryid <> 23
AND content.categoryid <> 26
AND content.categoryid <> 9741
AND content.categoryid = categorys.categoryid
ORDER BY
content.datemod DESC,
content.contentid DESC
the same query on t.e.o which uses the evolttest DB and not the one that
you've been working on comes in faster too though(memory and buffers?):
articles (Records=676, Time=7078ms)
SQL =
SELECT
content.contentid,
content.keyphrase,
content.contentname,
content.synopsis,
content.datemod,
content.replies,
users.userid,
users.who,
categorys.category,
categorys.categoryid,
(SELECT Count(*) FROM replies WHERE contentid = content.contentid
AND datemod > '') AS newcomments
FROM
content,
users,
categorys
WHERE
content.signoff = 1
AND content.userid = users.userid
AND content.categoryid <> 23
AND content.categoryid <> 26
AND content.categoryid <> 9741
AND content.categoryid = categorys.categoryid
ORDER BY
content.datemod DESC,
content.contentid DESC
nice work by all :)
.djc.
From mwarden at odyssey-design.com Tue May 22 16:58:32 2001
From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt)
Date: Tue May 22 16:58:32 2001
Subject: [thesite] faster queries on new w.e.o
References: <3B0ADDF1.36A2CBA5@starkmedia.com>
Message-ID: <02f401c0e30a$70f66d30$7103020a@patk3mzsmhxpqb>
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> (SELECT Count(*) FROM replies WHERE contentid =
> content.contentid AND datemod > '') AS newcomments
.jeff, you still planning on whacking the above when the user is not
logged in (or, actually, you might as well just test for
session.lastvisit (or whatever it is) instead, no?)?
That ought to hack off a bit (unless the "remember me" feature is on,
of course).
nice.
- --
mattwarden
mattwarden.com
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From dsmah at home.com Tue May 22 18:06:03 2001
From: dsmah at home.com (Dean Mah)
Date: Tue May 22 18:06:03 2001
Subject: [thesite] faster queries on new w.e.o
In-Reply-To: <3B0ADDF1.36A2CBA5@starkmedia.com> from "Daniel J. Cody" at May 22, 2001 04:45:21 PM
Message-ID: <200105222308.RAA05168@alice.monkeyland.ca>
Daniel J. Cody writes:
> dean, those indexes made a huge difference!
It might not help in this case but you should put the driving table
last in the FROM clause of your query. That is, the table that will
reduce the number of returned rows should be placed last in the FROM
clause. Usually this is the table with the most WHERE conditions.
This might not help in this case. The optimizer will usually re-order
the tables to take advantage of indexes, etc., but if tables come out
with the same weight, the last one listed will be used first.
Dean
From michele at wordpro.on.ca Tue May 22 18:32:48 2001
From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster)
Date: Tue May 22 18:32:48 2001
Subject: [thesite] n.e.o. - Networking Application
Message-ID: <036601c0e317$58984120$f0129ad8@mef>
Hi folks..
Just wanted to share this first draft of the proposed output for the
networking application that was discussed last week. You'll see it goes
over and above the outline for the members pages. This is intended to be a
separate application (n.e.o.).
http://members.evolt.org/gozz/evolt/member_01_5_22.html
Erik and Joshua are discussing implementation details at the moment.
Elfur's going to help out on this project too.
Thoughts, ideas, suggestions, comments, etc. throw them at us.
Thanks,
Michele
From r937 at interlog.com Tue May 22 18:35:18 2001
From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy)
Date: Tue May 22 18:35:18 2001
Subject: [thesite] faster queries on new w.e.o
Message-ID: <01c0e317$de1a6a80$b848149a@rudy>
>... if tables come out with the same weight,
> the last one listed will be used first.
ya learn sumpin every day
here i thought all along that all things being equal, tables are joined
left to right in the order that they are mentioned -- wait a sec, is that
what you mean by "used first"? they are joined left to right so the
rightmost one is retrieved first?
"all things being equal" of course means the old-fashioned way of listing
the tables -- if you use the JOIN syntax, especially with parentheses, you
have much greater influence on execution sequence...
iirc, afaik, imho, and ymmv
rudy
From isaac at members.evolt.org Tue May 22 19:06:58 2001
From: isaac at members.evolt.org (Isaac Forman)
Date: Tue May 22 19:06:58 2001
Subject: [thesite] d.e.o layout
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID:
> I know you can do but that varies dramatically between IE
> and NN. It's also possible with CSS using input { width: Xpx; } but does
> that work in NN4, and what will happen in even older browsers? Finally,
> does anyone know how the font size affects the size of the box?
specify width using the size attribute of the text input to get it happy in
netscape 3 and 4. then use css width to get it the same or better in
IE/newer browsers.
(designing forms in a liquid layout can really suck)
isaac
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0414 758 000 | www.triplezero.com.au | isaac at triplezero.com.au
From r937 at interlog.com Tue May 22 21:40:35 2001
From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy)
Date: Tue May 22 21:40:35 2001
Subject: [thesite] n.e.o. - Networking Application
Message-ID: <01c0e331$a7639d80$b848149a@rudy>
> You'll see it goes over and above the outline for the
> members pages. This is intended to be a
> separate application (n.e.o.).
>
> http://members.evolt.org/gozz/evolt/member_01_5_22.html
how is it "over and above"?
i don't see anything that doesn't fit into the design of the member records
this is exactly what we imagined the member pages to look like
okay, maybe we have to make the Remarks a bit larger than varchar(255)
and maybe add a classification system so that various attributes can be
grouped together (let me think about it, though)
does "a separate application" imply a separate database?
if so, y'all are passing up a good opportunity to take advantage of
integration with the main set of users
it would be a real shame, and i'm not just saying that as the guy who
designed the member records
standalone apps are always a problem
please, consider utilizing the existing database design
by the way, that page looks gorgeous -- who did it? it's beautiful
rudy
From michele at wordpro.on.ca Tue May 22 22:19:38 2001
From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster)
Date: Tue May 22 22:19:38 2001
Subject: [thesite] n.e.o. - Networking Application
References: <01c0e331$a7639d80$b848149a@rudy>
Message-ID: <040d01c0e337$52c4a7a0$f0129ad8@mef>
Hey Rudy ....
You want to be brought up to full speed on this project and lend assistance
from a DB perspective? We'll gladly use your expertise. I did say it was
a first of the output of this one page only.
It *is* fully intended to be an extension of the members pages .. but its
main focus will be as a networking tool. Whereby users can find other
members with specific skill sets.
Joshua and Erik can explain much better than I, but they've been discussing
different ideas for creating a hierarchy for the skills sets. Plus,
we'll want/need search functionality that will allow a user to find
something with specific skills sets. Then there's the need for the projects
and urls samples to also be stored.
Erik did the sample page .. I think Elfur's going to provide some assistance
wrt HTML/CSS, etc.
There won't be a separate database, we have every intention of using the
tables you sent, and linking all the information into the existing
structure. At this point, we are just fleshing out ideas for what else we
want n.e.o. to do and how.
I'm going to forward to you offlist the emails that specifically relate to
what we've been discussing, wrt to pulling it all together. Like I said
before, you assistance will be greatly appreciated. We just want n.e.o. to
be bigger and more of a Networking tool, than just simple members pages.
Facilitating members to network together would really help bring Evolt as a
community closer together. The members pages can, should and will still
exist .. underneath weo.
Hope this clears it up .. sending you the "technical" emails, which I'm sure
you'll understand better than I did
Michele
----- Original Message -----
From: "rudy"
| > You'll see it goes over and above the outline for the
| > members pages. This is intended to be a
| > separate application (n.e.o.).
| >
| > http://members.evolt.org/gozz/evolt/member_01_5_22.html
|
|
| how is it "over and above"?
|
| i don't see anything that doesn't fit into the design of the member
records
|
| this is exactly what we imagined the member pages to look like
|
| okay, maybe we have to make the Remarks a bit larger than varchar(255)
|
| and maybe add a classification system so that various attributes can be
| grouped together (let me think about it, though)
|
| does "a separate application" imply a separate database?
|
| if so, y'all are passing up a good opportunity to take advantage of
| integration with the main set of users
|
| it would be a real shame, and i'm not just saying that as the guy who
| designed the member records
|
| standalone apps are always a problem
|
| please, consider utilizing the existing database design
|
|
| by the way, that page looks gorgeous -- who did it? it's beautiful
From r937 at interlog.com Tue May 22 22:47:13 2001
From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy)
Date: Tue May 22 22:47:13 2001
Subject: [thesite] n.e.o. - Networking Application
Message-ID: <01c0e33a$fecf9840$b848149a@rudy>
> It *is* fully intended to be an extension of the members pages
oh
well, that's great then
i guess i got all worked up for nothing
=o)
it's way too late to argue semantics, but if you four get this app up and
running, it will *be* the member pages -- de facto
i don't really mind you calling it a networking app, but that's a
process-oriented name, and i always go for the content-oriented name, i.e.
what's in it rather than what's it used for
too many years of data modelling, i guess
(and totally off the subject, but who says all the good domain names are
gone? as a data modeller i've always thought onetomany.org would be
nice... as a drinker, i am sorely tempted to snag onetoomany.com...)
so what's in the networking app will be evolt members and their data? and
you'll build this on the member records in the w.e.o database? woohoo!
call me if you need any database help
oh, and build it first in t.e.o, right?
rudy
From michele at wordpro.on.ca Tue May 22 22:54:28 2001
From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster)
Date: Tue May 22 22:54:28 2001
Subject: [thesite] n.e.o. - Networking Application
References: <01c0e33a$fecf9840$b848149a@rudy>
Message-ID: <045201c0e33c$3190f3e0$f0129ad8@mef>
Rudy
sent you a tonne of stuff ...
and yes Dan's going to set us up under the test site .. we'll build as much
as we can before linking directly to t.e.o (w.e.o) .. but this will be
called n.e.o.
|
| it's way too late to argue semantics, but if you four get this app up and
| running, it will *be* the member pages -- de facto
|
sort of yes and sort of no .... it will be more .. and with room to grow too
:)
M
----- Original Message -----
From: "rudy"
| (and totally off the subject, but who says all the good domain names are
| gone? as a data modeller i've always thought onetomany.org would be
| nice... as a drinker, i am sorely tempted to snag onetoomany.com...)
LMAO .. go for em
From javier at msm.cl Wed May 23 08:40:37 2001
From: javier at msm.cl (mantruc)
Date: Wed May 23 08:40:37 2001
Subject: [thesite] suggstion...
Message-ID: <3B0BBD8F.E8647CBC@msm.cl>
hi thesiters
last night i figured out that it might be intersting to show a box with
most recent comment's on the right column...
whad do you think
--
- javier velasco -
- web architect -
- evolt.org -
From elfur at elfur.is Wed May 23 10:34:43 2001
From: elfur at elfur.is (Elfur Logadottir)
Date: Wed May 23 10:34:43 2001
Subject: [thesite] Front page of weo is using and and not and
Message-ID: <1cb001c0e39d$eb476830$40aefea9@DWARFS>
I thought we had changed all this when we cleaned up the code at the 2.0
launch
dan do you want to change it or give me access to teo so i can do it
myself?
thanks
elfur
From djc at starkmedia.com Wed May 23 10:45:03 2001
From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody)
Date: Wed May 23 10:45:03 2001
Subject: [thesite] Front page of weo is using and and not
and
References: <1cb001c0e39d$eb476830$40aefea9@DWARFS>
Message-ID: <3B0BDA88.FEDE19A5@starkmedia.com>
Elfur Logadottir wrote:
>
> I thought we had changed all this when we cleaned up the code at the 2.0
> launch
me too.. ??
> dan do you want to change it or give me access to teo so i can do it
> myself?
sure, i'll shoot you the info offlist.. there are a couple changes
waiting in t.e.o that i've been thinking about migrating up to w.e.o,
after these changes, it might be a good time to do it..
.djc.
From elfur at members.evolt.org Wed May 23 10:53:13 2001
From: elfur at members.evolt.org (Elfur Logadottir)
Date: Wed May 23 10:53:13 2001
Subject: [thesite] Front page of weo is using and and not and
References: <1cb001c0e39d$eb476830$40aefea9@DWARFS> <3B0BDA88.FEDE19A5@starkmedia.com>
Message-ID: <1ce201c0e3a0$7f687ac0$40aefea9@DWARFS>
From: "Daniel J. Cody"
| > I thought we had changed all this when we cleaned up the code at the
2.0
| > launch
|
| me too.. ??
I only figured it out when I grabbed the site, to use for my secretary
pages ...
anyways
| sure, i'll shoot you the info offlist.. there are a couple changes
| waiting in t.e.o that i've been thinking about migrating up to w.e.o,
| after these changes, it might be a good time to do it..
I'll let you know when I'm finished
thanks
elfur
From elfur at members.evolt.org Wed May 23 11:21:28 2001
From: elfur at members.evolt.org (Elfur Logadottir)
Date: Wed May 23 11:21:28 2001
Subject: [thesite] Front page of weo is using and and not and
References: <1cb001c0e39d$eb476830$40aefea9@DWARFS> <3B0BDA88.FEDE19A5@starkmedia.com> <1ce201c0e3a0$7f687ac0$40aefea9@DWARFS>
Message-ID: <1d0a01c0e3a4$73943b90$40aefea9@DWARFS>
From: "Elfur Logadottir"
| I only figured it out when I grabbed the site, to use for my secretary
| pages ...
| anyways
|
| | sure, i'll shoot you the info offlist.. there are a couple changes
| | waiting in t.e.o that i've been thinking about migrating up to w.e.o,
| | after these changes, it might be a good time to do it..
|
| I'll let you know when I'm finished
finished :)
later
elfur
From djc at starkmedia.com Wed May 23 11:28:48 2001
From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody)
Date: Wed May 23 11:28:48 2001
Subject: [thesite] rudy, i dropped a couple tables
Message-ID: <3B0BE519.F50F1586@starkmedia.com>
from the production DB just now.. THELIST and POSTS table which i was
jerking around with trying to do the archives and about 4 sequences that
i'd created when doing that..
it was just taking forever to dump our DB with those extra 100000 rows
in there.. i just wanted to throw ya a heads up in case you had them in
a DDL somewhere..
:)
.djc.
From djc at starkmedia.com Wed May 23 11:48:08 2001
From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody)
Date: Wed May 23 11:48:08 2001
Subject: [thesite] Front page of weo is using and and not
and
References: <1cb001c0e39d$eb476830$40aefea9@DWARFS> <3B0BDA88.FEDE19A5@starkmedia.com> <1ce201c0e3a0$7f687ac0$40aefea9@DWARFS> <1d0a01c0e3a4$73943b90$40aefea9@DWARFS>
Message-ID: <3B0BE99F.47E9CCDC@starkmedia.com>
cool, thanks. t.e.o and the new w.e.o(weo.evolt.org) are now running the
same latest version of the code.. almost ready to move it to production
.djc.
Elfur Logadottir wrote:
> | | sure, i'll shoot you the info offlist.. there are a couple changes
> | | waiting in t.e.o that i've been thinking about migrating up to w.e.o,
> | | after these changes, it might be a good time to do it..
> |
> | I'll let you know when I'm finished
>
> finished :)
From djc at starkmedia.com Wed May 23 11:51:23 2001
From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody)
Date: Wed May 23 11:51:23 2001
Subject: [thesite] n.e.o. - Networking Application
References: <01c0e33a$fecf9840$b848149a@rudy>
Message-ID: <3B0BEA62.361C4B8C@starkmedia.com>
+1
rudy wrote:
> oh, and build it first in t.e.o, right?
From r937 at interlog.com Wed May 23 12:37:39 2001
From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy)
Date: Wed May 23 12:37:39 2001
Subject: [thesite] rudy, i dropped a couple tables
Message-ID: <01c0e3ae$e2c5c380$7d49149a@rudy>
did you all see the fabulous post by isaac on "CF (SQL?): query.columnlist"
on thelist?
he's describing a custom data dictionary
fabulous concept
you know how jeff and mccreath (matt too?) went through our code and
cleaned out the stuff that was no longer needed?
they were, in so doing, using a custom program library (another type of
data dictionary) except theirs was in their heads
unfortunately that's where the status of all our tables is, in the heads of
the few of us who have worked with the evolt tables -- not that this is a
serious situation, because there are far fewer tables than program
modules...
so it certainly does help if you do prunings such as these where you know
you can drop an unused test table or two...
thanks dan
(you shoulda seen my face when i first saw the subject line!)
> it was just taking forever to dump our DB with those extra
> 100000 rows in there.. i just wanted to throw ya a heads up
> in case you had them in a DDL somewhere..
thanks, but experience has taught me never to keep any old scripts for
application data (working scripts are another matter)
whenever i do any database work i always grab the latest table and column
definitions using
select table_name from user_tables;
followed by
describe eachtablename
foreign keys and stuff are a lot harder to pull from oracle's system
tables, and i don't have any working scripts for those kinds of things yet
if anybody has any useful ones, please let us know
rudy
From djc at starkmedia.com Wed May 23 12:37:42 2001
From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody)
Date: Wed May 23 12:37:42 2001
Subject: [thesite] fyi, archive search..
Message-ID: <3B0BF53B.1541CF44@starkmedia.com>
i've got it submitting to google right now.. the verity engine was
always puking and never returning very good results.
good has just about a complete archive of our archive anyways, so its
all good.. :)
.djc.
From djc at starkmedia.com Wed May 23 12:41:49 2001
From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody)
Date: Wed May 23 12:41:49 2001
Subject: [thesite] rudy, i dropped a couple tables
References: <01c0e3ae$e2c5c380$7d49149a@rudy>
Message-ID: <3B0BF634.7DDFDBCC@starkmedia.com>
rudy wrote:
>
> did you all see the fabulous post by isaac on "CF (SQL?): query.columnlist"
> on thelist?
nope, been skimming :( i'll check it in the archives..
> you know how jeff and mccreath (matt too?) went through our code and
> cleaned out the stuff that was no longer needed?
yup
> (you shoulda seen my face when i first saw the subject line!)
i thought that would get your attention :)
.djc.
From dsmah at home.com Wed May 23 13:15:55 2001
From: dsmah at home.com (Dean Mah)
Date: Wed May 23 13:15:55 2001
Subject: [thesite] rudy, i dropped a couple tables
In-Reply-To: <01c0e3ae$e2c5c380$7d49149a@rudy> from "rudy" at May 23, 2001 01:36:23 PM
Message-ID: <200105231819.MAA01285@alice.monkeyland.ca>
I put a script called listcat on the oracle box. It's in the dmah
directory. After you've logged in as the oracle user, you can do:
@dmah/listcat
It will prompt you for a table name and it should give you a lot more
information than 'desc' does. Make sure that you window width is
fairly large as it formats for greater than 80 columns.
Dean
rudy writes:
> foreign keys and stuff are a lot harder to pull from oracle's system
> tables, and i don't have any working scripts for those kinds of
> things yet
>
> if anybody has any useful ones, please let us know
From dsmah at home.com Wed May 23 13:33:00 2001
From: dsmah at home.com (Dean Mah)
Date: Wed May 23 13:33:00 2001
Subject: [thesite] rudy, i dropped a couple tables
In-Reply-To: <200105231819.MAA01285@alice.monkeyland.ca> from "Dean Mah" at May 23, 2001 12:19:59 PM
Message-ID: <200105231837.MAA01333@alice.monkeyland.ca>
Dean Mah writes:
> I put a script called listcat on the oracle box. It's in the dmah
> directory. After you've logged in as the oracle user, you can do:
^^^^^^
That should be, "after you've logged into SQL*Plus as the evolt or
evolttest user"
> @dmah/listcat
>
> It will prompt you for a table name and it should give you a lot more
> information than 'desc' does. Make sure that you window width is
> fairly large as it formats for greater than 80 columns.
Dean
From michele at wordpro.on.ca Wed May 23 14:35:00 2001
From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster)
Date: Wed May 23 14:35:00 2001
Subject: [thesite] Log in ....
Message-ID: <005901c0e3bf$906b8c80$d31f9ad8@mef>
Hey folks,
Am working on something here ... which required me to create a new log in
... so, I logged out, and clicked join .. no probs .. everything works
smooth, upon registration, I'm sent to this thank you page,
http://www.evolt.org/user/signup/index.html?action=thanks&pageresponse=Thank
s%2C%20you%20have%20been%20registered%2E
And then .. cause I got sidetracked, about 10 seconds later, it redirects me
to this page, "Find Users" ..
http://www.evolt.org/user/signup/www.evolt.org/index.html
Huh?
How difficult would it be to change this .. (a) to redirect back to the page
I was at before I hit "Join", or (b) back to the home page or (c) don't
redirect me anywhere .. I'll figure out where I want to go from the thank
you page.
In all honesty directing to the Find Users search page seems very illogical.
Not at all what I had expected... keep in mind, I'm Joe the Tester
Michele
(I think this belongs here ... or does it belong on [admin] ?)
From mwarden at odyssey-design.com Wed May 23 15:04:05 2001
From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt)
Date: Wed May 23 15:04:05 2001
Subject: [thesite] Log in ....
References: <005901c0e3bf$906b8c80$d31f9ad8@mef>
Message-ID: <00e001c0e3c3$a1977740$93ac1b18@patk3mzsmhxpqb>
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From: "Michele Foster"
> How difficult would it be to change this .. (a) to redirect back to
> the page I was at before I hit "Join", or (b) back to the home page
> or (c) don't redirect me anywhere .. I'll figure out where I want
> to go from the thank you page.
a) is part of what it's supposed to do... and part of what dan is
working on with the passport feature, though I have NFI where that is
status-wise.
> In all honesty directing to the Find Users search page seems very
> illogical. Not at all what I had expected... keep in mind, I'm Joe
> the Tester
It looks like a relative link issue *trying* to redirect you to
www.evolt.org, when it should be redirecting to http://www.evolt.org.
> (I think this belongs here ... or does it belong on [admin] ?)
here.
- --
mattwarden
mattwarden.com
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From mwarden at odyssey-design.com Wed May 23 15:15:40 2001
From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt)
Date: Wed May 23 15:15:40 2001
Subject: [thesite] Log in ....
References: <005901c0e3bf$906b8c80$d31f9ad8@mef> <00e001c0e3c3$a1977740$93ac1b18@patk3mzsmhxpqb>
Message-ID: <011801c0e3c5$3f6ceee0$93ac1b18@patk3mzsmhxpqb>
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> From: "Michele Foster"
> > How difficult would it be to change this .. (a) to redirect back
> > to the page I was at before I hit "Join", or (b) back to the home
> > page or (c) don't redirect me anywhere .. I'll figure out where I
> > want to go from the thank you page.
>
> a) is part of what it's supposed to do... and part of what dan is
> working on with the passport feature, though I have NFI where that
> is status-wise.
er, wait. i thought you were talking about login. This may not apply
to signing up.
- --
mattwarden
mattwarden.com
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From michele at wordpro.on.ca Wed May 23 15:45:45 2001
From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster)
Date: Wed May 23 15:45:45 2001
Subject: [thesite] Log in ....
References: <005901c0e3bf$906b8c80$d31f9ad8@mef> <00e001c0e3c3$a1977740$93ac1b18@patk3mzsmhxpqb> <011801c0e3c5$3f6ceee0$93ac1b18@patk3mzsmhxpqb>
Message-ID: <009b01c0e3c9$72f27d80$d31f9ad8@mef>
Matt, log in (and out) appears to be fine .. working as intended ..
Here's the code from the signup page
http://www.evolt.org/user/signup/index.html?action=thanks&pageresponse=Thank
s%2C%20you%20have%20been%20registered%2E
and the code from log out page,
http://www.evolt.org/logout/index.html?http_referer=section%3Dcategory%26sub
section%3Dall%26params%3D&cfid=486712&cftoken=40577226
I think it is as you said and all that is missing is the "http://" part.
Michele
From djc at starkmedia.com Wed May 23 16:02:36 2001
From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody)
Date: Wed May 23 16:02:36 2001
Subject: [thesite] Log in ....
References: <005901c0e3bf$906b8c80$d31f9ad8@mef> <00e001c0e3c3$a1977740$93ac1b18@patk3mzsmhxpqb>
Message-ID: <3B0C2540.549AF47B@starkmedia.com>
"Warden, Matt" wrote:
>
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> Hash: SHA1
>
> From: "Michele Foster"
> > How difficult would it be to change this .. (a) to redirect back to
> > the page I was at before I hit "Join", or (b) back to the home page
> > or (c) don't redirect me anywhere .. I'll figure out where I want
> > to go from the thank you page.
>
> a) is part of what it's supposed to do... and part of what dan is
> working on with the passport feature, though I have NFI where that is
> status-wise.
did you get my email i sent yesterday? it was working on t.e.o with
cookies and the 'remember' me box checked, but I couldn't get it working
for logins without cookies.
i'll post more later
From mwarden at odyssey-design.com Wed May 23 19:07:51 2001
From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt)
Date: Wed May 23 19:07:51 2001
Subject: [thesite] Log in ....
References: <005901c0e3bf$906b8c80$d31f9ad8@mef> <00e001c0e3c3$a1977740$93ac1b18@patk3mzsmhxpqb> <011801c0e3c5$3f6ceee0$93ac1b18@patk3mzsmhxpqb> <009b01c0e3c9$72f27d80$d31f9ad8@mef>
Message-ID: <02f401c0e3e5$7ede7ce0$93ac1b18@patk3mzsmhxpqb>
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> From: "Michele Foster"
> Matt, log in (and out) appears to be fine .. working as intended ..
Well, that depends on where you are when you login. A good percentage
of the time you'll get the "article not found" message.
- --
mattwarden
mattwarden.com
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