http://members.evolt.org/ronwhite/index.htm Ocean and Wine are updated... Fall will be updated in about an hour or so... Have to do some real (paying) work for a bit :-) On the wine, I wasn't especially happy with the title 2 text color, but it was the one I disliked the least... any suggestions?? So you don't have to check source its the grey-green text on the magenta... Thanks, Ron White