[thesite] [bug] t.e.o styles..

.jeff jeff at members.evolt.org
Mon Nov 12 14:52:16 CST 2001


dan,

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> From: Daniel J. Cody
>
> > [...] why should i do it any different now?
>
> because the more you do this 'behind the scenes
> updates/whatever', the less other people trying to work
> on this site understand how things work.
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funny, this is the first i've heard of this being a problem.

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> a couple weeks ago we were talking about who would be
> comfortable working on the CF code for evolt. i'm not
> anymore because of the behind the scenes stuff you're
> doing and not telling anyone about or documenting
> anywhere but your own head.
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why is this suddenly a problem now?  in the 2+ years i've been working on
this it hasn't ever been brought up before.  so, i ask again, why now?

the statement "not telling anyone or documenting anywhere but your own head"
is not true.  most every change i've made has been reported in some fashion
to this list or commented in the code.

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> yes, i thanked you for finishing it up? does that make
> it ok that you pretty much changed the way i wrote it?
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"you pretty much changed the way i wrote it" is a gross exaggeration.  the
only *big* changes i made were:

1) logic to take users who already had member records to
   the stylesheet page instead of the member
   creation/update page which was a requested change by
   several members of this list
2) "re-scoping" the session stuff so it wouldn't require
   locks for reading.

other than that i just cleaned up alittle spaghetti code, paramed some
variables to avoid possible errors, wrapped form values with Trim() and
Val() where appropriate, and removed some redundant code.

i did *not* rewrite it, although i still think it needs lots of work (maybe
that rewrite you keep blaming me for) before it's ready for production.

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> i didnt even know it was done because you ddint say
> anything.
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my apologies.  i've been busy.  it's hard to remember what little details
have been already taken care of and which ones still need attention.

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> my thanks was for what i thought was finishing my code.
> *not* for changing it and then not checking to see it
> worked 100%
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then i guess i shouldn't help unless i can completely finish the portion
that needs work?

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> > it's like anything, we need to test to find bugs.  i
> > can't be expected to find *every* possible one.
> > that's why we have a staging site to begin with.
>
> fuck *that*. if you're in there changing code, you can
> at least do minor bug testing, like logging out and
> back in.
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how do you know i didn't do that?  i did actually test the login/logout
portion of it as that was critical to seeing if it was working properly.
however, at the point i tested that it wasn't throwing any errors.  when i
made some changes, it started erroring (which i found through continued
testing) and i worked to fix those errors.  my mistake -- i thought i'd
found all the problems.

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> this isn't the 'jeff writes code and everyone else does
> QA' show.
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where did i ever say it was?

aren't you getting just alittle accusatory?  what happened to just reporting
a bug when you find it?

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> > if you find something, know what the problem is, and
> > have time to fix it then take care of it yourself.
> > if not, send a notice to me via thesite list and i'll
> > address it if i have time.  however, *don't* complain
> > because i try to help.  that's not too much to ask is
> > it?
>
> ya, it is.
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sorry then.  i guess the 2+ years we've been doing it that way was a major
burden to you then.

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> i'm not the bad guy here because i'm complaining about
> you making changes to what i did without telling anyone.
> i'm *not* complaining about you trying to help, so don't
> spin it that way.
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that's not the feeling i get whenever i try to help on t.e.o. or make a
suggestion (see thread "user selectable style help").

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> seriously, if you can't be bothered to simply let people
> who are also trying to work with you on this know what
> you're doing, don't bother working on it at all.
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wait, you just said i shouldn't spin it like you're complaining about me
helping.  i'm not sure how else i can take the comment above.

your claims that i "can't be bothered to simply let people ... know what
you're doing" is utterly false.

what's this?
http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/2001-October/1563989.html

and this?
http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/2001-October/1563984.html

and this?
http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/2001-October/1564004.html

these all contain information about changes i made to the code.  they're
also all in the last month.  i can go back through the archives and find
more if you think i haven't made my point yet.

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> common, we're all big kids here... no one has a problem
> with hearing better ways to do things or your urge to
> make things better. people(myself being #1 probably and
> most vocal) have a problem with you changing code they
> may have written and not telling them about it.
>
> thats the problem.
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there is no problem except your perception of it (see above for proof).

are you sure this isn't all based on my lack of action on your request to
update the changelog?

thanks,

.jeff

http://evolt.org/
jeff at members.evolt.org
http://members.evolt.org/jeff/







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