From djc at members.evolt.org Fri Feb 1 11:04:00 2002 From: djc at members.evolt.org (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Fri Feb 1 11:04:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] January stats for evolt.org Message-ID: <3C5ACA02.1050508@members.evolt.org> Ciao amici! January stats for the evolt.org Network are in, kicking off the new year with another record breaking month.. Hits: 1.9Mil (another new record) Page Views: 700,000 (another new record!) Unique hosts: 97,000 (bing!) Page views/day: 22,500 Data transfer: 83Gb Data transfer/day: 2.6Gb (oy.) in depth: top 5 referers for the month were: google.com (100K+ referers for about the 9th straight month) google.yahoo.com (15K referers. top search phrase: 'netscape themes') altavista.com (7500 referers. top search phrase: 'browsers') google.de (6000 referers. Ich bin ein evolter!) slashdot.org (3500 referers. my old spambot article *still* ??) top 5 search phrases that led people to evolt in Jan: 1518: netscape themes 1388: content management system 623: asp array 620: browsers 613: ntldr is missing honorable mention: 'igloos' with 155 search phrases! on the browser side of things, MSIE based browsers were used 68.5% of the time when accessing evolt.org sites, followed by 13.8% being 'search engine spiders'(thanks for the help last month from our friends at MacEdition!), 10.4% of user-agents were Netscape based, with Opera rounding out the list with around 2.25% of user-agents. honroable mention to the brave souls using OmniWeb that accounted for just under a tenth of a percent of user-agents! the operating systems that people who visit evolt.org use is still dominated by Windows with around 72.25% of all requests coming from Windows based machines. oddly enough, windows XP isn't showing up in the stats, although i'm not sure if this is because no one using xp is visiting evolt (Very doubtfull), the log analyzer isn't set to pick up XP yet, or XP based browsers don't report themselves as XP. anyone else seeing this? a big evolt cheer to the person who's still using an Amiga to browse the evolt websites! they didn't show up last month, but in Jan made a strong showing with just over 100 requests, narrowly edged out by the person(s) still using OS/2! :) wrapping things up, the top 5 members.evolt.org accounts for the month were: deadL0ck, kroet, wkolean, ashcraft(go jer!), and djc(go me!). every month, i'll also be picking out one members.evolt.org account that i think is doing something cool, interesting, or wierd. this month, check out david olsons site, http://members.evolt.org/dolsen/ Not long is it pleasing to the eye, its got some really cool info about NASA & Natural Hazards, "Earth scientists around the world use NASA satellite imagery to better understand the causes and effects of natural hazards. The goal in sharing these images is to help people visualize where and when natural hazards occur, and to help mitigate their effects. " for the full scoop, the Jan 2002 stats can be found in their entirety at http://browsers.evolt.org/stats/stats.jan2002.html Have fun, and feel free to bring up any questions or comments :) Abbia una fine settimana piacevole, mio evoltistas! .djc. From elfur at elfur.is Fri Feb 1 19:52:00 2002 From: elfur at elfur.is (Elfur Logadottir) Date: Fri Feb 1 19:52:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] Voting Application - initial DB ideas References: Message-ID: <038301c1ab8c$c4cc77b0$0100a8c0@DWARFS> From: "Warden, Matt" | On Feb 1, isaac had something to say about RE: [thesite] Voting Application... | | >I'll leave someone with MySQL skills to set up the DB according to Matt's | >mods to my suggestion. | | probably should wait for amanda's spec doc. how's that coming along, | amanda? i don't think amanda is subscribed to thesite, ... but then she's already posted the spec to theforum list ... http://lists.evolt.org/theforumarchive/Week-of-Mon-20020128/002969.html thanks elfur From michele at wordpro.on.ca Sat Feb 2 12:40:00 2002 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Sat Feb 2 12:40:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] Caching Message-ID: <017301c1ac19$6ebe2700$95aa2642@aci.on.ca> Hi Folks .. Back in the early part of January, we had a brief discussion of caching of the front page. Here's the last message in the thread: http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/2002-January/004552.html So, my question is .. why is the front page being cached on weo? I thought it was agreed not to cache it .. and that we'll run some performance tests and make a decision after? Was there a discussion/decision made that I've missed or am unaware of? I have to admit to not being real happy that the front page is being cached, for what I'll guess is 20 minutes (or so). If I post a comment or rate an article, its not showing up on the front page. Makes me wonder if I did whatever it was correctly, or not. And what about authors that get a notice that their article has been approved, they go to the site and they can't find it (right away). Very confusing ... IMHO. Michele From michele at wordpro.on.ca Sat Feb 2 12:46:00 2002 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Sat Feb 2 12:46:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] Category Types .. Part II Message-ID: <018501c1ac1a$404d00c0$95aa2642@aci.on.ca> Hey guys .. This list is far too quiet these days.. what's up??? ;) Anyway .. a couple weeks ago, I created this brief outline of the different areas on the evolt site, and what categories were affected in what ways. http://members.evolt.org/Mishka/Words/cattypes.htm So, what are we doing with categorizing the categories . Rudy, I think it was you that wanted this information. What's next ? Thanks, Michele From mwarden at mattwarden.com Sat Feb 2 12:46:02 2002 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Sat Feb 2 12:46:02 2002 Subject: [thesite] Caching In-Reply-To: <017301c1ac19$6ebe2700$95aa2642@aci.on.ca> Message-ID: On Feb 2, Michele Foster had something to say about [thesite] Caching >I have to admit to not being real happy that the front page is being cached, >for what I'll guess is 20 minutes (or so). If I post a comment or rate an >article, its not showing up on the front page. Makes me wonder if I did >whatever it was correctly, or not. And what about authors that get a notice >that their article has been approved, they go to the site and they can't >find it (right away). Very confusing ... IMHO. Yeah, I find it a lot more annoying than I thought I would. Take it out, I'd say. Maybe we can set up something so that if we start getting a spike in traffic (like being slashdotted or something) we can run that script we used to have running that created a static version of the front page. But, yeah, that query caching is rather annoying. I'm suprised there's no way to "uncache" the query when a change is made. -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From jeff at members.evolt.org Sat Feb 2 13:02:00 2002 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff) Date: Sat Feb 2 13:02:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] Caching In-Reply-To: Message-ID: matt, ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > From: Warden, Matt > > Yeah, I find it a lot more annoying than I thought I > would. Take it out, I'd say. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< and see our execution times for the front page climb up over a second or more? i personally get *very* tired of waiting for that front page any time i try to visit the site. heck, it's 500ish milliseconds execution time now with all the cached queries. to me, that's pushing it. i'd much rather have it down around 100ms. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > Maybe we can set up something so that if we start > getting a spike in traffic (like being slashdotted or > something) we can run that script we used to have > running that created a static version of the front page. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< that would be even worse than the caching. then, we'd have issues with the sidebar not accurately reflecting whether you're logged in or not, urls wouldn't have tokens for those users that don't accept cookies, comments and ratings would not get updated at all except when the static version got updated, etc. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > But, yeah, that query caching is rather annoying. I'm > suprised there's no way to "uncache" the query when a > change is made. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< there are ways. it simply requires combing through the code for each process that runs that changes information that's displayed on the front page and blasting the cached query out of memory so it runs from the database and not from memory. the solution is definitely doable, but time consuming. .jeff http://evolt.org/ jeff at members.evolt.org http://members.evolt.org/jeff/ From jeff at members.evolt.org Sat Feb 2 13:08:00 2002 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff) Date: Sat Feb 2 13:08:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] Caching In-Reply-To: <017301c1ac19$6ebe2700$95aa2642@aci.on.ca> Message-ID: michele, ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > From: Michele Foster > > So, my question is .. why is the front page being cached > on weo? ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< to get the greatest performance gains possible. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > I thought it was agreed not to cache it .. and that > we'll run some performance tests and make a decision > after? ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< the performance of the codebase on weo *before* we rolled all the new changes to teo up was poor. i fail to see how adding all these new features would result in anything but even more poor performance. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > I have to admit to not being real happy that the front > page is being cached, for what I'll guess is 20 minutes > (or so). ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< correct, the various queries are cached for 20 minutes. that means that if there aren't any hits to the site in a 20 minute timespan, the queries are dumped from memory. the next hit to the site fetches directly from the database and caches them. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > If I post a comment or rate an article, its not showing > up on the front page. Makes me wonder if I did whatever > it was correctly, or not. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< what's to wonder? rating an article takes you back to the article page showing your rating. commenting on an article takes you back to the article showing your comment. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > And what about authors that get a notice that their > article has been approved, they go to the site and they > can't find it (right away). Very confusing ... IMHO. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< i submitted an article recently and didn't have this problem. it got approved (i still happened to be on w.e.o. at the time) and i saw it on the homepage. regardless, there are solutions to these problems that don't involve removing the caching from the homepage and all the performance problems we'll see by doing that. it just takes time to go through the system to put things in place to account for this. .jeff http://evolt.org/ jeff at members.evolt.org http://members.evolt.org/jeff/ From mwarden at mattwarden.com Sat Feb 2 13:09:00 2002 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Sat Feb 2 13:09:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] Caching In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Feb 2, .jeff had something to say about RE: [thesite] Caching >there are ways. it simply requires combing through the code for each >process that runs that changes information that's displayed on the front >page and blasting the cached query out of memory so it runs from the >database and not from memory. the solution is definitely doable, but time >consuming. How about this: http://evolt.org/?refresh if priv >= 3 then blowout article query in cache end if this would help because when i approve an article, i want to be able to see it show up on the front page so i know that everything is good to go. plus, i'll be able to see how you do it so i can look into adding cache refreshers to the appropriate processes. sound reasonable? -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From michele at wordpro.on.ca Sat Feb 2 13:11:00 2002 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Sat Feb 2 13:11:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] Caching References: Message-ID: <019701c1ac1d$b5711280$95aa2642@aci.on.ca> Jeff, ----- Original Message ----- From: ".jeff" I understand your points .. and I respect your reasons for adding this ... however ... can we at least trigger a re-cache for articles .. from pending/approved status .. so that then the articles appear right away? I really think we're doing a dis-service by sending out article notices, yet the articles don't appear right away. OR Am I misunderstanding .. and is the cache done for each person independently .. i.e. if I wasn't on the site when an article was approved .. received a notice in my box that it had been, went to the site, I'd get an up to date version of the page? Is it more noticeable for those of us that hang out at the site most of the time .. that we're seeing the caching but in reality others probably aren't ? Thanks, Michele | ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< | > But, yeah, that query caching is rather annoying. I'm | > suprised there's no way to "uncache" the query when a | > change is made. | ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< | | there are ways. it simply requires combing through the code for each | process that runs that changes information that's displayed on the front | page and blasting the cached query out of memory so it runs from the | database and not from memory. the solution is definitely doable, but time | consuming. | | .jeff From jeff at members.evolt.org Sat Feb 2 14:55:01 2002 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff) Date: Sat Feb 2 14:55:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] Caching In-Reply-To: Message-ID: matt, ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > From: Warden, Matt > > How about this: > > http://evolt.org/?refresh > > if priv >= 3 then > blowout article query in cache > end if ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< hmmm, that might be an interesting approach -- though i was thinking of performing the wipeout of the affected cached queries within the process itself. in other words, joe user adds a comment to an article. insert the comment into the replies table, blow away the various cached queries on the homepage, and redirect to the response page. so, the trick is to list out all the cached queries on the homepage and then comb the source to find all the processes that might affect those queries. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > this would help because when i approve an article, i > want to be able to see it show up on the front page so > i know that everything is good to go. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< agreed, though i'd prefer it was automated. having it automated means it would happen even for those activities completed by a non-admin as well as not requiring any documentation -- it'd just work. lemme see if i can take a minute to automate this process on t.e.o. for something simple. thanks, .jeff http://evolt.org/ jeff at members.evolt.org http://members.evolt.org/jeff/ From r937 at interlog.com Sat Feb 2 15:19:00 2002 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Sat Feb 2 15:19:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] Category Types .. Part II Message-ID: <01c1ac2f$8f63b040$LocalHost@rudy> >This list is far too quiet these days.. what's up??? ;) everybody's css-d-ing >Anyway .. a couple weeks ago, I created this brief outline of the different >areas on the evolt site, and what categories were affected in what ways. > >http://members.evolt.org/Mishka/Words/cattypes.htm kiss, hug, already seriously, if i missed that the first time around, i must have missed it ;o) >So, what are we doing with categorizing the categories multiple columns (flags or option choices) on each CATEGORY or? we have a CATTYPE table but i'm not sure whether the (multiple) behaviours belong here or on the CATEGORY and if *i'm* having difficulty deciding, we're in trouble > Rudy, I think it was you that wanted this information. What's next ? next? members and users i got a wikiwiki page to write, don't i rudy From mwarden at mattwarden.com Sat Feb 2 16:24:01 2002 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Sat Feb 2 16:24:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] Caching In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Feb 2, .jeff had something to say about RE: [thesite] Caching >agreed, though i'd prefer it was automated. having it automated means it >would happen even for those activities completed by a non-admin as well as >not requiring any documentation -- it'd just work. the point was a quick solution that would help me see how to do refreshing of the cache. then i'd try to stick it into the verious processes to automate it. but if you have the time and you'd rather do it, that's fine. -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From jeff at members.evolt.org Sat Feb 2 16:31:01 2002 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff) Date: Sat Feb 2 16:31:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] Caching In-Reply-To: Message-ID: matt, ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > From: Warden, Matt > > > agreed, though i'd prefer it was automated. having it > > automated means it would happen even for those > > activities completed by a non-admin as well as not > > requiring any documentation -- it'd just work. > > the point was a quick solution that would help me see > how to do refreshing of the cache. then i'd try to > stick it into the verious processes to automate it. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< i believe that it's as simple as running a query by the same name as the one that's cached that you want to refresh. so, the query on the homepage that retrieves all the articles could be refreshed in any template that adds or updates comments, ratings, or content simply by running a query of the same name: SELECT 1 FROM content WHERE 1 = 0 (is that just about as bogus a query as you wanna get?) the trick will be going straight to the homepage and seeing if the query is actually re-running from the database or from the cache. if my understanding of query caching is correct, then it should grab a new copy of the data to cache. thanks, .jeff http://evolt.org/ jeff at members.evolt.org http://members.evolt.org/jeff/ From martin at members.evolt.org Sat Feb 2 17:14:01 2002 From: martin at members.evolt.org (Martin) Date: Sat Feb 2 17:14:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] Caching In-Reply-To: <019701c1ac1d$b5711280$95aa2642@aci.on.ca> Message-ID: On Saturday, February 2, 2002, at 07:13 pm, Michele Foster wrote: > I > really think we're doing a dis-service by sending out article notices, > yet > the articles don't appear right away. Will that matter? Won't you be able to access the article if you hit the URL in the email? Cheers Martin _______________________________________________ email: martin at easyweb.co.uk PGP ID: 0xA835CCCB martin at members.evolt.org snailmail: 30 Shandon Place tel: +44 (0)774 063 9985 Edinburgh, url: http://www.easyweb.co.uk Scotland From martin at members.evolt.org Sat Feb 2 17:15:01 2002 From: martin at members.evolt.org (Martin) Date: Sat Feb 2 17:15:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] Caching In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Saturday, February 2, 2002, at 10:26 pm, Warden, Matt wrote: >> agreed, though i'd prefer it was automated. having it automated means >> it >> would happen even for those activities completed by a non-admin as >> well as >> not requiring any documentation -- it'd just work. > > > the point was a quick solution that would help me see how to do > refreshing > of the cache. then i'd try to stick it into the verious processes to > automate it. Is there a use to have a manual 'blow the cache' script available as well? Cheers Martin _______________________________________________ email: martin at easyweb.co.uk PGP ID: 0xA835CCCB martin at members.evolt.org snailmail: 30 Shandon Place tel: +44 (0)774 063 9985 Edinburgh, url: http://www.easyweb.co.uk Scotland From martin at members.evolt.org Sat Feb 2 17:17:00 2002 From: martin at members.evolt.org (Martin) Date: Sat Feb 2 17:17:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] Caching In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <36F1C622-1833-11D6-9037-000502172AD3@members.evolt.org> On Saturday, February 2, 2002, at 07:04 pm, .jeff wrote: >> <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< >> Maybe we can set up something so that if we start >> getting a spike in traffic (like being slashdotted or >> something) we can run that script we used to have >> running that created a static version of the front page. >> <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > > that would be even worse than the caching. then, we'd have issues with > the > sidebar not accurately reflecting whether you're logged in or not, urls > wouldn't have tokens for those users that don't accept cookies, > comments and > ratings would not get updated at all except when the static version got > updated, etc. Which I think is reasonable under extreme load - just look at how the news sites slimmed down on Sept 11th. It'd be a temporary version of the home page without all the sidebar updating stuff which resets when the load drops. Again, something which can be triggered automatically when load goes over x% for y time, with reset when it drops below a% for b time, but with manual over-rides. Cheers Martin _______________________________________________ email: martin at easyweb.co.uk PGP ID: 0xA835CCCB martin at members.evolt.org snailmail: 30 Shandon Place tel: +44 (0)774 063 9985 Edinburgh, url: http://www.easyweb.co.uk Scotland From jeff at members.evolt.org Sat Feb 2 17:19:01 2002 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff) Date: Sat Feb 2 17:19:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] Caching In-Reply-To: Message-ID: martin, ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > From: Martin > > Is there a use to have a manual 'blow the cache' script > available as well? ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< i personally think it would be overkill if all the automated methods are in place and working properly. .jeff http://evolt.org/ jeff at members.evolt.org http://members.evolt.org/jeff/ From jeff at members.evolt.org Sat Feb 2 17:20:03 2002 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff) Date: Sat Feb 2 17:20:03 2002 Subject: [thesite] Caching In-Reply-To: Message-ID: martin, ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > From: Martin > > > I really think we're doing a dis-service by sending > > out article notices, yet the articles don't appear > > right away. > > Will that matter? Won't you be able to access the > article if you hit the URL in the email? ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< yes, query caching won't affect the ability to go directly to the article. .jeff http://evolt.org/ jeff at members.evolt.org http://members.evolt.org/jeff/ From michele at wordpro.on.ca Sat Feb 2 20:00:01 2002 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Sat Feb 2 20:00:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] Category Types .. Part II References: <01c1ac2f$8f63b040$LocalHost@rudy> Message-ID: <01e101c1ac56$e4ed33c0$95aa2642@aci.on.ca> ----- Original Message ----- From: "rudy" | >http://members.evolt.org/Mishka/Words/cattypes.htm | | | >So, what are we doing with categorizing the categories | | multiple columns (flags or option choices) on each CATEGORY | | or? | | we have a CATTYPE table but i'm not sure whether the (multiple) behaviours | belong here or on the CATEGORY | | and if *i'm* having difficulty deciding, we're in trouble I think option 1 .. makes the most sense to me, anyway ;) We can keep CatType for sub-categories ?? Can you explain the dilemma? It's obviously not something I'm seeing/comprehending. | | > Rudy, I think it was you that wanted this information. What's next ? | | next? members and users Oh, I meant next to do for the cat type issue ... hehehe How about we discuss the members/users issue on the phone or over a couple beers? Mich From elfur at elfur.is Sat Feb 2 22:55:00 2002 From: elfur at elfur.is (Elfur Logadottir) Date: Sat Feb 2 22:55:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] Category Types .. Part II References: <01c1ac2f$8f63b040$LocalHost@rudy> <01e101c1ac56$e4ed33c0$95aa2642@aci.on.ca> Message-ID: <00a701c1ac6f$784d8c60$0100a8c0@DWARFS> From: "Michele Foster" | | > Rudy, I think it was you that wanted this information. What's next ? | | | | next? members and users | | Oh, I meant next to do for the cat type issue ... hehehe | | How about we discuss the members/users issue on the phone or over a couple | beers? i'd much rather you did it here, that way i can participate ... or at least listen and learn. thanks elfur From michele at wordpro.on.ca Sun Feb 3 01:28:00 2002 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Sun Feb 3 01:28:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] Tips on Tipping Message-ID: <020b01c1ac84$c4b8f200$95aa2642@aci.on.ca> Browsing through thelist archives for the week .. this message caught my attention ;) http://lists.evolt.org/archive/Week-of-Mon-20020128/052002.html Dean, Want to add that as an article in Community News anyway (or even an FAQ)? Or we can add it somewhere on leo instead? No sense losing good info like that. Mich From mwarden at mattwarden.com Sun Feb 3 10:27:01 2002 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Sun Feb 3 10:27:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] Category Types .. Part II In-Reply-To: <00a701c1ac6f$784d8c60$0100a8c0@DWARFS> Message-ID: On Feb 3, Elfur Logadottir had something to say about Re: [thesite]... >i'd much rather you did it here, that way i can participate ... or at least >listen and learn. it's a rather involved issue. i wouldn't mind the preliminary stuff taken care of in a faster-paced medium. they'd surely come back here with what they discussed, which would give you time to jump in. -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From ppxsjc1 at nottingham.ac.uk Sun Feb 3 15:51:01 2002 From: ppxsjc1 at nottingham.ac.uk (Simon Coggins) Date: Sun Feb 3 15:51:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] BUG - deo file permissions Message-ID: Hi folks, I've been getting emails indicating new links are being added to the directory but when I go to approve them they're not in the database. I've just been investigating what's going wrong (thinking it might have something to do with the new PHP install), and have found that the permissions on the deo_html and includes directories on leo.evolt.org have been changed from "evolt" to "mailman" (both user and group permissions). This means I can't alter the files. Not sure what happened but could someone with root access log in and switch things back to "evolt". Any directory links submitted in the last couple of weeks have unfortunately been lost into the ether - I'll let you know when it's working again as soon as I've fixed it. Cheers, Simon From elfur at elfur.is Sun Feb 3 16:05:09 2002 From: elfur at elfur.is (Elfur Logadottir) Date: Sun Feb 3 16:05:09 2002 Subject: [thesite] Category Types .. Part II References: Message-ID: <004701c1acff$50ca07a0$0100a8c0@DWARFS> From: "Warden, Matt" | >i'd much rather you did it here, that way i can participate ... or at least | >listen and learn. | | it's a rather involved issue. i wouldn't mind the preliminary stuff taken | care of in a faster-paced medium. they'd surely come back here with what | they discussed, which would give you time to jump in. but why can't it happen here? involved issue or not. oh, and when using 'i' in the first mail, i wasn't necessarily referring to myself only. thanks elfur From mwarden at mattwarden.com Sun Feb 3 16:06:01 2002 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Sun Feb 3 16:06:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] BUG - deo file permissions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Feb 3, Simon Coggins had something to say about [thesite] BUG - deo file... >Hi folks, > >I've been getting emails indicating new links are being added to the >directory but when I go to approve them they're not in the database. I've >just been investigating what's going wrong (thinking it might have >something to do with the new PHP install), and have found that the >permissions on the deo_html and includes directories on leo.evolt.org have >been changed from "evolt" to "mailman" (both user and group >permissions). This means I can't alter the files. I'm 99% sure that deo runs off of the members.evolt.org server, not leo anymore. Or do you know differently? Yes, there is probably still a copy of the code on leo. >Not sure what happened but could someone with root access log in and >switch things back to "evolt". Any directory links submitted in the last >couple of weeks have unfortunately been lost into the ether - I'll let you >know when it's working again as soon as I've fixed it. I got it if no one has done it already. later, -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From mwarden at mattwarden.com Sun Feb 3 16:12:00 2002 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Sun Feb 3 16:12:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] Category Types .. Part II In-Reply-To: <004701c1acff$50ca07a0$0100a8c0@DWARFS> Message-ID: On Feb 3, Elfur Logadottir had something to say about Re: [thesite]... >From: "Warden, Matt" > >| >i'd much rather you did it here, that way i can participate ... or at >least >| >listen and learn. >| >| it's a rather involved issue. i wouldn't mind the preliminary stuff taken >| care of in a faster-paced medium. they'd surely come back here with what >| they discussed, which would give you time to jump in. > >but why can't it happen here? It can. I'd just guess it would be a helluva lot easier to do face-to-face or over-the-phone and then summarize things in an email to thesite to start discussion. Regardless of whether we want the discussion here, there's nothing stopping two people from chatting over the phone about any subject they want, eh? One way to consider it is as "also" rather than "instead", regarding discussion here. >oh, and when using 'i' in the first mail, i wasn't necessarily referring to >myself only. Of course. -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From mwarden at mattwarden.com Sun Feb 3 16:12:02 2002 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Sun Feb 3 16:12:02 2002 Subject: [thesite] BUG - deo file permissions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >I got it if no one has done it already. done. let me know whether that fixes your issue -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From michele at wordpro.on.ca Sun Feb 3 18:34:00 2002 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Sun Feb 3 18:34:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] BUG - deo file permissions References: Message-ID: <002601c1ad14$100b1f00$95aa2642@aci.on.ca> Matt/Dan .. So, if I understand correctly ... both the deo_html and members_html files on the leo box have been moved to the new meo box? And, this means the "includes" files on the leo box are only being used for the archive (beo), leo pages and probably aeo too? Thanks, Mich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warden, Matt" | | I'm 99% sure that deo runs off of the members.evolt.org server, not leo | anymore. | | Or do you know differently? | From mwarden at mattwarden.com Sun Feb 3 18:56:01 2002 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Sun Feb 3 18:56:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] BUG - deo file permissions In-Reply-To: <002601c1ad14$100b1f00$95aa2642@aci.on.ca> Message-ID: On Feb 3, Michele Foster had something to say about Re: [thesite] BUG - deo... >Matt/Dan .. > >So, if I understand correctly ... both the deo_html and members_html files >on the leo box have been moved to the new meo box? all of it's been moved (excpet teo, it looks like). but dan will have to say whether dir.evolt.org, admin.evolt.org, browsers.evolt.org, lists.evolt.org point to the leo or meo boxen. im pretty sure dir.evolt.org is on the new meo box because right after the move it was down (because we had to symlink the mysql.sock file on the new box like we had it on leo). >And, this means the >"includes" files on the leo box are only being used for the archive (beo), >leo pages and probably aeo too? i dont know, honestly. dan would have to answer that, or i'd have to learn how to look it up in the apache files (*cough* dean could do it *cough*). er... well, i just looked in httpd.conf and the only thing i see there is members.evolt.org, which goes against what I said about dir.evolt.org. and then i checked leo's httpd.conf and there is, in fact, an entry for dir.evolt.org, admin.evolt.org, food.evolt.org, neo.evolt.org, lists.evolt.org, browsers.evolt.org. So, it looks like everything is running on leo except members accounts and the stuff on the members.evolt.org info pages (i.e. what you see when you go to http://members.evolt.org/). So, if that's running off some includes, that's using the copies on the new meo box. hth (it did for me :), -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From isaac at members.evolt.org Sun Feb 3 19:23:01 2002 From: isaac at members.evolt.org (isaac) Date: Sun Feb 3 19:23:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] RE: [Theforum] Re: VotingReqs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > by the way, when did the subject change from 'VotingReqs' to 'VotingRegs' > :) I don't think that I did. It was like that when I came in this morning... > and every vote would be inserted with a priv level? > otherwise, you're talking about putting a flag about voting results on the > poll (or question) table, which i don't like, but may be the only way to > do this. I'd prefer the latter. I'm not sure that I see a reason to do the former. Why wouldn't we set "permissions" at the parent level? > Well, if we dont' need to to it, I'd rather not. Becuase we'd end up > putting a field describing votes on the poll or question table, when it > should be on the vote table. I'll leave it up to Rudy. I'll wait until you guys have finished all the database gear before I start planning the templates required. > should we be moving this to thesite? Yes. isaac -------------------------------------------------------------- triple zero digital | upstairs at 200 the parade, norwood 5067 (08)83320545 | www.triplezero.com.au | isaac at triplezero.com.au From mwarden at mattwarden.com Sun Feb 3 20:40:00 2002 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Sun Feb 3 20:40:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] RE: [***forum] Re: VotingReqs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Feb 4, isaac had something to say about [thesite] RE: [Theforum] Re:... >> by the way, when did the subject change from 'VotingReqs' to 'VotingRegs' >> :) > >I don't think that I did. It was like that when I came in this morning... yeah, it happened near the beginning of the thread. *shrug* >> and every vote would be inserted with a priv level? >> otherwise, you're talking about putting a flag about voting results on the >> poll (or question) table, which i don't like, but may be the only way to >> do this. > >I'd prefer the latter. I'm not sure that I see a reason to do the former. > >Why wouldn't we set "permissions" at the parent level? the permissions aren't describing the poll/question, they're describing the votes themselves. if we renamed the vote table to "results", do you see now? the individual votes are just non-aggregated results. normally, i dont like to put fields that describe Table A's data into Table B. we're trying to restrict viewing of the VOTES, not the poll/question. make sense, or am i still talking rubbish? or both... -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From isaac at members.evolt.org Sun Feb 3 20:57:01 2002 From: isaac at members.evolt.org (isaac) Date: Sun Feb 3 20:57:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] RE: [***forum] Re: VotingReqs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > the permissions aren't describing the poll/question, they're describing > the votes themselves. if we renamed the vote table to "results", do you > see now? the individual votes are just non-aggregated results. > > normally, i dont like to put fields that describe Table A's data into > Table B. > > we're trying to restrict viewing of the VOTES, not the poll/question. > > make sense, or am i still talking rubbish? or both... Both. The question itself is the parent. Why individually set the priv on every single little vote when you can just set it at the parent? Surely the priv value for each vote is going to have to come from somewhere when each person is voting, right? It's not their priv level, but the priv level of the parent question, right? I do understand that we're trying to restrict viewing of the votes, but the votes will be deriving their priv from the question itself, and I fail to see the sense in replicating the value in two places (unless it's quicker for SELECT, and worth the sacrifice on the INSERT). isaac From mwarden at mattwarden.com Sun Feb 3 21:26:00 2002 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Sun Feb 3 21:26:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] RE: [***forum] Re: VotingReqs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Feb 4, isaac had something to say about RE: [thesite] RE: [***forum] Re:... >> make sense, or am i still talking rubbish? or both... > > >Both. > >The question itself is the parent. Why individually set the priv on every >single little vote when you can just set it at the parent? because the field doesn't describe the question. >Surely the priv value for each vote is going to have to come from somewhere >when each person is voting, right? of course. hence my point about this being probably the only way to do it, even though it makes me sick to some degree. therefore, if we dont need it, let's not do it. >It's not their priv level, but the priv >level of the parent question, right? no. the priv of the question dictates who can view/vote on that question, just as the priv of a vote should dictate who can view that vote. eh? >I do understand that we're trying to restrict viewing of the votes, but the >votes will be deriving their priv from the question itself, if *that's* true -- that the priv of the question will be the same priv as viewing the result -- then there's no need for this discussion... because there's no need for the field at all. >and I fail to >see the sense in replicating the value in two places (unless it's quicker >for SELECT, and worth the sacrifice on the INSERT). like i said above, if the question priv is the same as the result priv, then there's no need to. but that's not what you originally said. you said you wanted to be able to control the viewing of results independant of controlling who can vote. putting result privs on the question is what i have a problem with. -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From isaac at members.evolt.org Sun Feb 3 21:38:01 2002 From: isaac at members.evolt.org (isaac) Date: Sun Feb 3 21:38:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] RE: [***forum] Re: VotingReqs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > if *that's* true -- that the priv of the question will be the same priv as > viewing the result -- then there's no need for this discussion... because > there's no need for the field at all. > > like i said above, if the question priv is the same as the result priv, > then there's no need to. but that's not what you originally said. you said > you wanted to be able to control the viewing of results independant of > controlling who can vote. putting result privs on the question is what i > have a problem with. Fields: question.votepriv (can vote on this question) question.viewpriv (can view the results of this question) Sorry -- we may have been talking about completely different things. My CMS has a priv for each of varying actions (view, delete, edit, update, publish, etc), independent of types. Makes it very easy to have admin only documents, or for clients to have secretaries about to edit/update documents, but only managers approve the publishing of, etc. I guess that I've been thinking in that vein. isaac -------------------------------------------------------------- triple zero digital | upstairs at 200 the parade, norwood 5067 (08)83320545 | www.triplezero.com.au | isaac at triplezero.com.au From mwarden at mattwarden.com Sun Feb 3 23:30:00 2002 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Sun Feb 3 23:30:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] RE: [***forum] Re: VotingReqs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Feb 4, isaac had something to say about RE: [thesite] RE: [***forum] Re:... > >> if *that's* true -- that the priv of the question will be the same priv as >> viewing the result -- then there's no need for this discussion... because >> there's no need for the field at all. >> >> like i said above, if the question priv is the same as the result priv, >> then there's no need to. but that's not what you originally said. you said >> you wanted to be able to control the viewing of results independant of >> controlling who can vote. putting result privs on the question is what i >> have a problem with. > >Fields: > >question.votepriv (can vote on this question) >question.viewpriv (can view the results of this question) why, on gods earth, would viewpriv be on the question if it has to do with whether you can view the votes? here's the test of tests: you have absolutely no context and no prior knowledge of this development process. you look at the questions table and you see the field "viewpriv". what immediately comes to mind? that dictates who can view the question right? so, what, are we gonna make the name: question.resultsviewpriv ? sounds like that should really be: result.viewpriv which, is really, in our case: vote.viewpriv i guess, what i'm saying is, if you're leaving the database stuff to me, leave it up to me :). i think it's a useless feature that dirties the database design. unless... can you think of an example of when we'd need to use this feature? -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From isaac at members.evolt.org Mon Feb 4 00:29:00 2002 From: isaac at members.evolt.org (isaac) Date: Mon Feb 4 00:29:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] RE: [***forum] Re: VotingReqs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > >question.votepriv (can vote on this question) > >question.viewpriv (can view the results of this question) > > why, on gods earth, would viewpriv be on the question if it has to do with > whether you can view the votes? Because you're viewing the votes ON the question. Otherwise if you have vote.viewpriv, where is that data coming from?! From the question. And then why the doubling up? No reason (other than possibly performance). > here's the test of tests: you have absolutely no context and no prior > knowledge of this development process. you look at the questions table and > you see the field "viewpriv". what immediately comes to mind? that > dictates who can view the question right? so, what, are we gonna make the > name: View question and results together. I don't know why you'd view the results without the question. > question.resultsviewpriv ? > > sounds like that should really be: > result.viewpriv Why? > which, is really, in our case: > vote.viewpriv Why? Then it's suddenly on every single vote row instead of just the parent question row. Look, I understand your love of data purity or whatever, but I can't understand wanting that mass duplication. > i guess, what i'm saying is, if you're leaving the database stuff to me, > leave it up to me :). i think it's a useless feature that dirties the > database design. unless... > > can you think of an example of when we'd need to use this feature? When you would need to restrict voting to one group, and viewing to another. - theforum issue: votes from registered voting members. viewing from everyone. - BoD issue: vote from board. maybe viewing from theforum. I'm thinking beyond evolt.org's voting app for thesite/theforum. I'm thinking about this extra field that gives the app that much extra power for when it's released on sourceforge/whatever, or written up in an article for others to use. If you'd rather not handle the database because you think it's a dirty concept (like you refused to use the author pic... Oops!), I'll find another way to take care of it. That's OK. isaac -------------------------------------------------------------- triple zero digital | upstairs at 200 the parade, norwood 5067 (08)83320545 | www.triplezero.com.au | isaac at triplezero.com.au From jeff at members.evolt.org Mon Feb 4 00:46:00 2002 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff) Date: Mon Feb 4 00:46:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] RE: [***forum] Re: VotingReqs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: isaac, ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > From: isaac > > > i guess, what i'm saying is, if you're leaving the > > database stuff to me, leave it up to me :). i think > > it's a useless feature that dirties the database > > design. unless... > > > > can you think of an example of when we'd need to use > > this feature? > > When you would need to restrict voting to one group, > and viewing to another. > > - theforum issue: votes from registered voting > members. viewing from everyone. > - BoD issue: vote from board. maybe viewing from > theforum. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< ok. these are situations i hadn't considered and are damn important. so important, in fact, that i think the project *must* support this feature. very astute observations isaac. thanks, .jeff http://evolt.org/ jeff at members.evolt.org http://members.evolt.org/jeff/ From mwarden at mattwarden.com Mon Feb 4 02:08:01 2002 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Mon Feb 4 02:08:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] RE: [***forum] Re: VotingReqs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Feb 4, isaac had something to say about RE: [thesite] RE: [***forum] Re:... >If you'd rather not handle the database because you think it's a dirty >concept (like you refused to use the author pic... Oops!), gee, i wonder why people never admit that they're wrong... -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From mwarden at mattwarden.com Mon Feb 4 02:20:00 2002 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Mon Feb 4 02:20:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] RE: [***forum] Re: VotingReqs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Feb 4, isaac had something to say about RE: [thesite] RE: [***forum] Re:... >> >question.votepriv (can vote on this question) >> >question.viewpriv (can view the results of this question) >> >> why, on gods earth, would viewpriv be on the question if it has to do with >> whether you can view the votes? > >Because you're viewing the votes ON the question. that's like saying: put the questions on the poll table because the questions are ON the poll >Otherwise if you have vote.viewpriv, where is that data coming from?! nowhere, that's the problem >From >the question. only becaue you and i can't think of a better place to put it >And then why the doubling up? No reason (other than possibly >performance). there's (still) no doubling up. the priv currently on the question serves a completely different (and correct) purpose of describing the priv of the question. this other priv is the priv on the results... no matter where you put the field. >> here's the test of tests: you have absolutely no context and no prior >> knowledge of this development process. you look at the questions table and >> you see the field "viewpriv". what immediately comes to mind? that >> dictates who can view the question right? so, what, are we gonna make the >> name: > >View question and results together. I don't know why you'd view the results >without the question. that has nothing to do with what i asked. >> question.resultsviewpriv ? >> >> sounds like that should really be: >> result.viewpriv > >Why? because it describes the results. >> which, is really, in our case: >> vote.viewpriv > >Why? Then it's suddenly on every single vote row instead of just the parent >question row. yeah. i'm aware. as i said about 4 posts ago. >> i guess, what i'm saying is, if you're leaving the database stuff to me, >> leave it up to me :). i think it's a useless feature that dirties the >> database design. unless... >> >> can you think of an example of when we'd need to use this feature? > >When you would need to restrict voting to one group, and viewing to another. > > - theforum issue: votes from registered voting members. viewing from >everyone. > - BoD issue: vote from board. maybe viewing from theforum. fair enough. but this isn't what you were originally talking about according to your post on theforum. you were talking about restricting the viewing of the results of a theforum vote to a subset of registered theforum members. >If you'd rather not handle the database because you think it's a dirty >concept (like you refused to use the author pic... Oops!), I'll find another >way to take care of it. That's OK. well, if you have another way to take care of it, that's fine with me too. will help avoid my cringing during table creation. so, 's all good. thanks i, -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From ppxsjc1 at nottingham.ac.uk Mon Feb 4 06:08:00 2002 From: ppxsjc1 at nottingham.ac.uk (Simon Coggins) Date: Mon Feb 4 06:08:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] BUG - deo file permissions In-Reply-To: <002601c1ad14$100b1f00$95aa2642@aci.on.ca> Message-ID: Matt said: > | I'm 99% sure that deo runs off of the members.evolt.org server, not leo > | anymore. > | > | Or do you know differently? > | As far as I knew, deo was running from the deo_html and includes directories on leo.evolt.org. Hang on lemme check... Yes, I just added a comment to the leo version and it came up on the live site. I still can't access the stuff in the includes directory to fix the problem. The permissions are still set to "mailman". Could someone switch them back to "evolt" too. Mich said: > So, if I understand correctly ... both the deo_html and members_html files > on the leo box have been moved to the new meo box? And, this means the > "includes" files on the leo box are only being used for the archive (beo), > leo pages and probably aeo too? I don't know anything about this. If they have been copied they're not the ones in use right now. Simon From dmah at shaw.ca Mon Feb 4 07:40:00 2002 From: dmah at shaw.ca (Dean Mah) Date: Mon Feb 4 07:40:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] BUG - deo file permissions In-Reply-To: from "Warden, Matt" at Feb 03, 2002 07:58:11 PM Message-ID: <200202041343.GAA00966@alice.monkeyland.ca> You can do a DNS lookup to figure out where everything points. deo -> leo beo -> leo aeo -> leo feo -> leo teo -> leo Dean Warden, Matt writes: > >And, this means the > >"includes" files on the leo box are only being used for the archive (beo), > >leo pages and probably aeo too? > > i dont know, honestly. dan would have to answer that, or i'd have to > learn how to look it up in the apache files (*cough* dean could do > it *cough*). From dmah at shaw.ca Mon Feb 4 07:43:00 2002 From: dmah at shaw.ca (Dean Mah) Date: Mon Feb 4 07:43:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] BUG - deo file permissions In-Reply-To: from "Simon Coggins" at Feb 04, 2002 12:10:23 PM Message-ID: <200202041346.GAA00981@alice.monkeyland.ca> I've changed the ownership of the files in the 'includes' directory to evolt.evolt. Let me know if there's still a problem. Dean Simon Coggins writes: > Yes, I just added a comment to the leo version and it came up on the > live site. I still can't access the stuff in the includes directory > to fix the problem. The permissions are still set to > "mailman". Could someone switch them back to "evolt" too. From ppxsjc1 at nottingham.ac.uk Mon Feb 4 08:14:00 2002 From: ppxsjc1 at nottingham.ac.uk (Simon Coggins) Date: Mon Feb 4 08:14:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] BUG - deo file permissions In-Reply-To: <200202041346.GAA00981@alice.monkeyland.ca> Message-ID: > I've changed the ownership of the files in the 'includes' directory to > evolt.evolt. Let me know if there's still a problem. Okay, now I've really confused. I've checked the SQL statement that should be processed when a link is submitted and it's fine (it works if I copy and paste it into phpMyAdmin). The insert function returns true and correctly returns the mysql_result_id identifying the link. It's just that nothing appears in the database. Does anyone know of any configuration change that was made 1-2 weeks ago that could have caused this. Perhaps something to do with permissions or something?. The one thing that came to my mind is that the database with the links in is still stored on my old members account (astro38) - perhaps there's a problem writing to that from leo?? -puzzled- Simon From djc at members.evolt.org Mon Feb 4 10:52:06 2002 From: djc at members.evolt.org (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Mon Feb 4 10:52:06 2002 Subject: [thesite] d.e.o file perms Message-ID: <3C5EBB8A.4010501@members.evolt.org> Just had this prob pointed out to me(cc me in if you need help in the future, as i'm not subbed to thesite ATM), dir.evolt.org is running on the same machine as l.e.o/b.e.o/a.e.o members.evolt.org is completely on its own machine now, nothing else is there. nothing has changed from a configuration standpoint as far as the MySQL DB on leo is concerned either.. dir.evolt.org is the only account in use in the DB. simon, whats the file you're testing this out with? if i get some more details, i'll look into it .djc. #################### Matt/Dan .. So, if I understand correctly ... both the deo_html and members_html files on the leo box have been moved to the new meo box? And, this means the "includes" files on the leo box are only being used for the archive (beo), leo pages and probably aeo too? Thanks, Mich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warden, Matt" | | I'm 99% sure that deo runs off of the members.evolt.org server, not leo | anymore. | | Or do you know differently? | From ppxsjc1 at nottingham.ac.uk Mon Feb 4 11:09:01 2002 From: ppxsjc1 at nottingham.ac.uk (Simon Coggins) Date: Mon Feb 4 11:09:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] d.e.o file perms In-Reply-To: <3C5EBB8A.4010501@members.evolt.org> Message-ID: > nothing has changed from a configuration standpoint as far as the MySQL > DB on leo is concerned either.. dir.evolt.org is the only account in use > in the DB. simon, whats the file you're testing this out with? if i get > some more details, i'll look into it The only relevant files are: /home/evolt/deo_html/index.php /home/evolt/includes/evoltDisplayFunctions.php /home/evolt/includes/evoltSQL.php The first one displays the directory, the second displays particular elements and the third is a general class that does the work. What I've done is add some lines to evoltSQL.php which add comments to the add a link confirmation page: Line 85: echo ""; Line 87: echo ""; Line 90: echo ""; Line 459: echo ""; When I go to a category page, click suggest a link, fill in the form with some sample data and then view source on the confirmation page I get the following: This is correct as far as I can tell. The SQL is valid (I can paste it into phpMyAdmin and it will work). The connection is established and an id returned, but the data just doesn't show up in the database. The second connection is expected too, that's just an entry being made in the LinkCats table. That's why I'm confused - everything seems to be fine. Also, this just happened one day, I hadn't made any changes to the code. That's what makes me think it's a configuration issue. Any ideas welcome, Simon From djc at members.evolt.org Mon Feb 4 11:20:01 2002 From: djc at members.evolt.org (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Mon Feb 4 11:20:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] d.e.o file perms In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Simon - Whats the URL you're using to get to PhpMyAdmin ? I just put 2 and 2 together and realized that phpMyAdmin isn't able to access the MySQL DB on leo. http://lists.evolt.org/phpMyAdmin/ is the URL you should be using from now on.. Is the stuff in *that* db? On Mon, 4 Feb 2002, Simon Coggins wrote: > > > nothing has changed from a configuration standpoint as far as the MySQL > > DB on leo is concerned either.. dir.evolt.org is the only account in use > > in the DB. simon, whats the file you're testing this out with? if i get > > some more details, i'll look into it > > The only relevant files are: > > /home/evolt/deo_html/index.php > /home/evolt/includes/evoltDisplayFunctions.php > /home/evolt/includes/evoltSQL.php > > The first one displays the directory, the second displays particular > elements and the third is a general class that does the work. > > What I've done is add some lines to evoltSQL.php which add comments to the > add a link confirmation page: > > Line 85: echo ""; > Line 87: echo ""; > Line 90: echo ""; > Line 459: echo ""; > > When I go to a category page, click suggest a link, fill in the form with > some sample data and then view source on the confirmation page I get the > following: > > > > > > This is correct as far as I can tell. The SQL is valid (I can paste it > into phpMyAdmin and it will work). The connection is established and an id > returned, but the data just doesn't show up in the database. The second > connection is expected too, that's just an entry being made in the > LinkCats table. > > That's why I'm confused - everything seems to be fine. Also, this just > happened one day, I hadn't made any changes to the code. That's what makes > me think it's a configuration issue. > > Any ideas welcome, > > Simon > > From ppxsjc1 at nottingham.ac.uk Mon Feb 4 11:34:01 2002 From: ppxsjc1 at nottingham.ac.uk (Simon Coggins) Date: Mon Feb 4 11:34:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] d.e.o file perms In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Whats the URL you're using to get to PhpMyAdmin ? I just put 2 and 2 > together and realized that phpMyAdmin isn't able to access the MySQL DB on > leo. > > http://lists.evolt.org/phpMyAdmin/ is the URL you should be using from now > on.. Is the stuff in *that* db? Ah! That explains it! The database name is astro38 (my old meo account name). The admin interface I use to update the links is stored on that account, and I've been logging into the meo phpMyAdmin. I've just logged into the lists phpMyAdmin and all the links from the last couple of weeks are there. I just need to copy the admin interface over to leo.evolt.org and we should be good to go again. Thanks for the help sorting this out. There's no need for anyone to resend the links - they are all stored safely in the new database. Cheers, Simon From djc at members.evolt.org Mon Feb 4 11:35:00 2002 From: djc at members.evolt.org (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Mon Feb 4 11:35:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] d.e.o file perms In-Reply-To: Message-ID: no prob, lemme know if you need anything else :) On Mon, 4 Feb 2002, Simon Coggins wrote: > > > Whats the URL you're using to get to PhpMyAdmin ? I just put 2 and 2 > > together and realized that phpMyAdmin isn't able to access the MySQL DB on > > leo. > > > > http://lists.evolt.org/phpMyAdmin/ is the URL you should be using from now > > on.. Is the stuff in *that* db? > > Ah! That explains it! The database name is astro38 (my old meo account > name). The admin interface I use to update the links is stored on that > account, and I've been logging into the meo phpMyAdmin. > > I've just logged into the lists phpMyAdmin and all the links from the last > couple of weeks are there. I just need to copy the admin interface over to > leo.evolt.org and we should be good to go again. > > Thanks for the help sorting this out. There's no need for anyone to resend > the links - they are all stored safely in the new database. > > Cheers, > > Simon > > From dmah at shaw.ca Mon Feb 4 13:24:00 2002 From: dmah at shaw.ca (Dean Mah) Date: Mon Feb 4 13:24:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] Tips on Tipping In-Reply-To: <020b01c1ac84$c4b8f200$95aa2642@aci.on.ca> from "Michele Foster" at Feb 03, 2002 02:31:14 AM Message-ID: <200202041926.MAA02287@alice.monkeyland.ca> We can add to leo somewhere if you want. I don't think that it fits in Community News. Where on leo do you think it fits? How about here: http://lists.evolt.org/index.cfm/a/harvest Dean Michele Foster writes: > Browsing through thelist archives for the week .. this message caught my > attention ;) > > http://lists.evolt.org/archive/Week-of-Mon-20020128/052002.html > > Dean, > > Want to add that as an article in Community News anyway (or even an > FAQ)? Or we can add it somewhere on leo instead? No sense losing > good info like that. 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Oops!), > > gee, i wonder why people never admit that they're wrong... sorry, should've added a ;). was just meant to be a cute joke. seriously. i From mwarden at mattwarden.com Mon Feb 4 16:09:00 2002 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Mon Feb 4 16:09:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] RE: [***forum] Re: VotingReqs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Feb 5, isaac had something to say about RE: [thesite] RE: [***forum] Re:... > >> fair enough. but this isn't what you were originally talking about >> according to your post on theforum. you were talking about restricting the >> viewing of the results of a theforum vote to a subset of registered >> theforum members. > >we might be arguing about completely different things. > >honestly, i can't remember talking about "restricting the viewing of the >results of a theforum vote to a subset". not saying that i didn't, though. > >if you can find it in the archive i'll work out what i was trying to say. :p "Wouldn't be hard to flag a vote with: - view results: group 1 (all of theforum) - vote: group 2 (subset of registered voters from theforum) Or: - view results: group 3 (elite group of 3) - vote: group 4 (superset of group 3)" http://lists.evolt.org/theforumarchive/Week-of-Mon-20020204/003001.html though, i realize you changed "subset" and "superset" on me. i didn't catch that at first. regarless, i think we understand each other now. thanks, i. -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From isaac at members.evolt.org Mon Feb 4 16:34:00 2002 From: isaac at members.evolt.org (isaac) Date: Mon Feb 4 16:34:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] RE: [***forum] Re: VotingReqs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > regarless, i think we understand each other now. yes. seriously, i think that in the vast majority of cases, results (preserving anonymity of course) are going to be open to all (like the archives of thesite/theforum/admin/etc are currently). i'm just thinking that we can make this app 50% more useful with 1% extra effort, for when it comes time to making it available to members via sourceforge and an article on WEO. isaac -------------------------------------------------------------- triple zero digital | upstairs at 200 the parade, norwood 5067 (08)83320545 | www.triplezero.com.au | isaac at triplezero.com.au From cmprn110140 at gm20.com Mon Feb 4 21:28:01 2002 From: cmprn110140 at gm20.com (marketing@aboutjcmorris.com) Date: Mon Feb 4 21:28:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] Company Merger Message-ID: <8221183.1012879931679.Kada.Kada2(pc-92)@email3.gm20.com> -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] YOU ARE RECEIVING THIS EMAIL BECAUSE YOU HAVE EXPRESSED INTEREST IN PRODUCTS THAT WE CAN SAVE YOU MONEY ON. 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From michele at wordpro.on.ca Tue Feb 5 10:38:08 2002 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Tue Feb 5 10:38:08 2002 Subject: [thesite] Company Merger References: <3C6004F7.7070904@members.evolt.org> Message-ID: <00c001c1ae63$ebbe5800$95aa2642@aci.on.ca> Dan, Do we dis-allow this person to post in the future? I was wondering how to do that .. if they aren't subbed, which they aren't. Would we add a line under the Privacy option, where it says "Hold posts with header value matching a specified regexp." Or just add the offending addresses to "Addresses whose postings are always held for approval." ? Just curious ... something I don't know for sure how to do it .. if it became a problem. ;) Also .. how is it that there are two email addresses for that person? | From: "marketing at aboutjcmorris.com" The curious one, Mich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel J. Cody" | Happens :( | | thesite doesn't have the same level of nazi spam filters that thelist | does, so shit like this slips through from time to time.. | | .djc. From garrett at polytechnic.co.uk Tue Feb 5 11:20:00 2002 From: garrett at polytechnic.co.uk (Garrett Coakley) Date: Tue Feb 5 11:20:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] Company Merger In-Reply-To: <00c001c1ae63$ebbe5800$95aa2642@aci.on.ca> References: <3C6004F7.7070904@members.evolt.org> <00c001c1ae63$ebbe5800$95aa2642@aci.on.ca> Message-ID: <20020205172150.1a4e5156.garrett@polytechnic.co.uk> On Tue, 5 Feb 2002 11:41:11 -0500 "Michele Foster" wrote: > Also .. how is it that there are two email addresses for that person? > > | From: "marketing at aboutjcmorris.com" The same way you have '"Michele Foster" ', and I have '"Garrett Coakley" '. They obviously filled in the Name and Email addy bits of their email client differently. Bet neither are the real address... damn stinky spammers. G. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- WORK: http://spiked.co.uk/ PLAY: http://polytechnic.co.uk/ From michele at wordpro.on.ca Tue Feb 5 12:20:01 2002 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Tue Feb 5 12:20:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] The Headlines ... new list Message-ID: <00e701c1ae72$2ce69be0$95aa2642@aci.on.ca> Hey folks .... As far as I can tell ... we're proceeding with the new list as discussed on theforum. So, what needs to happen and be done to get this rolling? Feel free to add to this .. off the top of my head... Not necessarily in order. ;) (1) Copy all of thelist email addresses to the new list. (2) Creation of the new list on leo (i.e. MG) using the above addresses as its initial subscription base. (Including sub/unsub options pages, etc.) (3) Announcement letter that Rudy prepared should be sent out to the new list. (4) The headlines announcement that Dean has generated .. currently going to thelist, should be modified and sent to theheadlines instead. Also, as part of this .. the footer of this email should include how to unsub. (5) Registration page on weo .. we need to add this list as an option (I think) .. in addition to thelist. However, is this even possible at this time? Can MG commands be sent for two different lists from weo to leo? (I have no clue) (6) This new list should be added to leo .. on its home page .. (I can do this .. once its been created). (7) Are we going to have archives for this new list ? I don't really see the need for them .. but at the same time, I don't have any compelling reason not to have them. (8) Somewhere on weo .. we need to add a "want to know when this site is modified" option. Exactly where this will appear, I'm not sure. But it should be another option .. which means this new list actually has three ways to subscribe to it .. (weo registration page, leo itself and this last one). That's all I can think of at the moment. One final question .. is the new list called theheadlines ??? or was another name more appropriate. Thanks, Michele From mwarden at mattwarden.com Tue Feb 5 13:04:01 2002 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Tue Feb 5 13:04:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] The Headlines ... new list In-Reply-To: <00e701c1ae72$2ce69be0$95aa2642@aci.on.ca> Message-ID: On Feb 5, Michele Foster had something to say about [thesite] The Headlines... >(5) Registration page on weo .. we need to add this list as an option (I >think) .. in addition to thelist. However, is this even possible at this >time? Can MG commands be sent for two different lists from weo to leo? (I >have no clue) i think it's possible only through a hack: cf creating a POST to the submission page with the new submission command (emulating someone submitting the form on the leo submission page) >(7) Are we going to have archives for this new list ? I don't really see >the need for them .. but at the same time, I don't have any compelling >reason not to have them. no archives. if there's a reason to create them later, we can run the archive util off of teh .mbox file, i think. no use wasting space with the html version until we decide we need it. >(8) Somewhere on weo .. we need to add a "want to know when this site is >modified" option. Exactly where this will appear, I'm not sure. But it >should be another option .. which means this new list actually has three >ways to subscribe to it .. (weo registration page, leo itself and this last >one). i dont' agree with this. i think it implies that if you dont' get a headlines mailer, the site hasn't changed. a drawing feature on our site is the discussions in comments. what it should really say is "want to know when new articles are posted". and why should this be duplicated on a place other than the account page? i think the checkbox onthe account page will be enough. >That's all I can think of at the moment. One final question .. is the new >list called theheadlines ??? or was another name more appropriate. theheadlines. :) ttyl, -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From michele at wordpro.on.ca Tue Feb 5 13:24:00 2002 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Tue Feb 5 13:24:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] The Headlines ... new list References: Message-ID: <00f001c1ae7b$33ea7b60$95aa2642@aci.on.ca> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warden, Matt" | On Feb 5, Michele Foster had something to say about [thesite] The Headlines... | | >(5) Registration page on weo .. we need to add this list as an option (I | >think) .. in addition to thelist. However, is this even possible at this | >time? Can MG commands be sent for two different lists from weo to leo? (I | >have no clue) | | i think it's possible only through a hack: cf creating a POST to the | submission page with the new submission command (emulating someone | submitting the form on the leo submission page) Ok .. I wasn't sure if it was possible to send POST commands to two lists yet using one submit button. I'll leave that to the experts to sort out :) | | >(7) Are we going to have archives for this new list ? I don't really see | >the need for them .. but at the same time, I don't have any compelling | >reason not to have them. | | no archives. if there's a reason to create them later, we can run the | archive util off of teh .mbox file, i think. no use wasting space with the | html version until we decide we need it. Yeah, I agree. | | >(8) Somewhere on weo .. we need to add a "want to know when this site is | >modified" option. Exactly where this will appear, I'm not sure. But it | >should be another option .. which means this new list actually has three | >ways to subscribe to it .. (weo registration page, leo itself and this last | >one). | | i dont' agree with this. i think it implies that if you dont' get a | headlines mailer, the site hasn't changed. a drawing feature on our site | is the discussions in comments. what it should really say is "want to know | when new articles are posted". Yes .. I chose my words poorly. and why should this be duplicated on a | place other than the account page? i think the checkbox onthe account page | will be enough. Well, I was under the impression one of the main goals of this new list was to notify people when new articles are posted .. not just those individuals already subbed to thelist, and/or not those that already have a userid on weo (or those that create a new one). IOW, target those users of our site who have not joined anything yet, but would be interested in knowing when new articles are posted. If we hide this option away on the register and/or leo pages, then we aren't targetting those who this list is really for... our non-subbed visitors. I think it needs to be highlighted on the main page .. and for the time being, until the redesign is done ... we need to put it somewhere. (I hesitate to say the sidebar .. but that is probably our only real option at this point.) Mich | From jeff at members.evolt.org Tue Feb 5 13:37:00 2002 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff) Date: Tue Feb 5 13:37:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] The Headlines ... new list In-Reply-To: <00f001c1ae7b$33ea7b60$95aa2642@aci.on.ca> Message-ID: michele, ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > From: Michele Foster > > | i think it's possible only through a hack: cf creating > | a POST to the submission page with the new submission > | command (emulating someone submitting the form on the > | leo submission page) > > Ok .. I wasn't sure if it was possible to send POST > commands to two lists yet using one submit button. > I'll leave that to the experts to sort out :) ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< not directly from the browser, but doing it server-side with coldfusion. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > | and why should this be duplicated on a place other > | than the account page? i think the checkbox on the > | account page will be enough. > > Well, I was under the impression one of the main goals > of this new list was to notify people when new articles > are posted .. not just those individuals already subbed > to thelist, and/or not those that already have a userid > on weo (or those that create a new one). IOW, target > those users of our site who have not joined anything > yet, but would be interested in knowing when new > articles are posted. If we hide this option away on > the register and/or leo pages, then we aren't > targetting those who this list is really for... our > non-subbed visitors. > > I think it needs to be highlighted on the main page .. > and for the time being, until the redesign is done ... > we need to put it somewhere. (I hesitate to say the > sidebar .. but that is probably our only real option > at this point.) ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< agreed, though i think the idea that theheadlines is for non-registered members is a falsity. i think we can use the call to action for theheadlines list to get them to register for w.e.o. as well, but all at the same time. remember, we should be doing as much as possible to tie the systems, username/password combinations, and email addresses together, not promoting things that could fragment them (ie, theheadlines call to action just draws them straight to theheadlines subscription page on l.e.o.). thanks, .jeff http://evolt.org/ jeff at members.evolt.org http://members.evolt.org/jeff/ From mwarden at mattwarden.com Tue Feb 5 13:40:01 2002 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Tue Feb 5 13:40:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] The Headlines ... new list In-Reply-To: <00f001c1ae7b$33ea7b60$95aa2642@aci.on.ca> Message-ID: On Feb 5, Michele Foster had something to say about Re: [thesite] The... >| i think it's possible only through a hack: cf creating a POST to the >| submission page with the new submission command (emulating someone >| submitting the form on the leo submission page) > > >Ok .. I wasn't sure if it was possible to send POST commands to two lists >yet using one submit button. I'll leave that to the experts to sort out :) it's not posible. ya gotta use a call, i think (meaning, the requesting client is actually the cf script, not the browser) >Yes .. I chose my words poorly. > >and why should this be duplicated on a >| place other than the account page? i think the checkbox onthe account page >| will be enough. > > >Well, I was under the impression one of the main goals of this new list was >to notify people when new articles are posted .. not just those individuals >already subbed to thelist, and/or not those that already have a userid on >weo (or those that create a new one). IOW, target those users of our site >who have not joined anything yet, but would be interested in knowing when >new articles are posted. er... well, the thing is, for thsoe who haven't signed up for a userid, they'll have to sign up for this list, right? the list signup will require an email address, at minimum. an evolt account requires an email address, a first name, a username, and password. i dont' think it's too much to ask for those extra fields and make this list full of people who can participate in our community when/if they ever decide to. plus, it makes it a lot easier to add the feature. >If we hide this option away on the register and/or >leo pages, then we aren't targetting those who this list is really for... >our non-subbed visitors. well, if you want to put the link somewhere else, i dont have a problem with that. just make the link point to the account page. -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From michele at wordpro.on.ca Tue Feb 5 13:53:00 2002 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Tue Feb 5 13:53:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] The Headlines ... new list References: Message-ID: <010301c1ae7f$374f2d60$95aa2642@aci.on.ca> Ok, I get it .. wasn't exactly what I had thought would happen .. but I see what you guys are getting at. So, the only weo page that needs updating then is to add this list as an option to the register page. The redesign can deal with the "Join" issue .. hehe I'll look at the text on that page tomorrow ... and write something up for leo too. Who has time to create the list and add the coding required to weo? Thanks guys, Mich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warden, Matt" | | er... well, the thing is, for thsoe who haven't signed up for a userid, | they'll have to sign up for this list, right? the list signup will require | an email address, at minimum. an evolt account requires an email address, | a first name, a username, and password. i dont' think it's too much to ask | for those extra fields and make this list full of people who can | participate in our community when/if they ever decide to. plus, it makes | it a lot easier to add the feature. | | >If we hide this option away on the register and/or | >leo pages, then we aren't targetting those who this list is really for... | >our non-subbed visitors. | | well, if you want to put the link somewhere else, i dont have a problem | with that. just make the link point to the account page. From webguru at vsnl.net Tue Feb 5 15:38:00 2002 From: webguru at vsnl.net (Madhu Menon) Date: Tue Feb 5 15:38:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] Company Merger In-Reply-To: <20020205180427.4DEEF3BF2@relay.evolt.org> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020206030700.030cfe10@203.197.12.4> At 11:34 PM 2/5/2002, thesite-request at lists.evolt.org wrote: >Do we dis-allow this person to post in the future? I was wondering how to >do that .. if they aren't subbed, which they aren't. One measure: hold all messages that don't have the list address in either the "To:" or "CC:" field. IIRC, this is on for thelist and thechat. Madhu <<< * >>> Madhu Menon User Experience Consultant e-mail: webguru at vsnl.net From michele at wordpro.on.ca Tue Feb 5 15:45:00 2002 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Tue Feb 5 15:45:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] Company Merger References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020206030700.030cfe10@203.197.12.4> Message-ID: <013501c1ae8e$d2fefd80$95aa2642@aci.on.ca> Hi Madhu, I think that restriction is on .. but I'm not 100% sure how to find that out. The person that sent the message did send it to thesite at l.e.o address. Thanks though, Mich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Madhu Menon" | At 11:34 PM 2/5/2002, thesite-request at lists.evolt.org wrote: | >Do we dis-allow this person to post in the future? I was wondering how to | >do that .. if they aren't subbed, which they aren't. | | One measure: hold all messages that don't have the list address in either | the "To:" or "CC:" field. IIRC, this is on for thelist and thechat. 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Mencken --8<--- G. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- WORK: http://spiked.co.uk/ PLAY: http://polytechnic.co.uk/ From djc at members.evolt.org Wed Feb 6 09:57:01 2002 From: djc at members.evolt.org (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Wed Feb 6 09:57:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] re: [Theforum] thelist, theforum, etc. MIME format, e-mail format Message-ID: <3C6151D9.1060607@members.evolt.org> Shirley, with the latest release of our mailing list software, I added some features that automatically strip out HTML, RTF, or any other non-plain text formatting in emails. So when you see a message come through with that header on it, its been re-processed to text/plain and sent out. You don't see it on other lists, because, AFAIK, no other list does it.. (yahoogroups might) they usually approve them manually.. :) hth .djc. Shirley Kaiser wrote on Wed, 06 Feb 2002 07:01:28: At 08:36 PM 2/5/2002, my Eudora mail program typed: >This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand >this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. >-- >[ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] I'm noticing that a few of the e-mail messages I'm getting via thelist, theforum, thechat have this added. I just moved computers last week and maybe I just need to adjust a Eudora setting or something. Does everyone else have this added message? I'm not worried about it, but just curious. I don't get this at all with messages with Webdesign-L and most other lists and my personal e-mail. I do get it with another design list, though (wise-women.org with Dori Smith, list mom). So that's why I'm also wondering if it might just be a setting within the discussion list's disbursement, too, which might be triggering Eudora to add its message. From djc at members.evolt.org Wed Feb 6 11:16:01 2002 From: djc at members.evolt.org (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Wed Feb 6 11:16:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] re: company merger.. Message-ID: Mich - The best way to stop these is to follow the format i have in the privacy options section. .*@hostname.com I've already got the last two loosers blocked Dan, Do we dis-allow this person to post in the future? I was wondering how to do that .. if they aren't subbed, which they aren't. Would we add a line under the Privacy option, where it says "Hold posts with header value matching a specified regexp." Or just add the offending addresses to "Addresses whose postings are always held for approval." ? Just curious ... something I don't know for sure how to do it .. if it became a problem. ;) Also .. how is it that there are two email addresses for that person? | From: "marketing at aboutjcmorris.com" The curious one, From djc at members.evolt.org Wed Feb 6 12:11:01 2002 From: djc at members.evolt.org (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Wed Feb 6 12:11:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] evolt's search is blowing up (fwd) Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:47:35 -0500 From: Ben Gustafson Subject: evolt's search is blowing up Here's the URL: http://www.evolt.org/search/index.html?keywords=information+design &option=phrase&tid=0&maxrows=10 --Ben _____ top evolt.org Browsers | Lists | " href="http://lists.evolt.org/harvest/">Tips | Members | Directory Home FAQ Contact Choose a category... - Backend - Code - Commentary & Society - Community News - IA/Usability - Jobs - News - Reviews & Links - Site Development - Software - Suggestions - Visual Design Oracle Error Code = 904 ORA-00904: invalid column name SQL = "SELECT content.contentid, content.contentname, content.synopsis, content.datemod, content.rating, content.ratings, content.replies, content.signoff, users.userid, users.who, users.email, categorys.category, categorys.categoryid, (SELECT Count(*) FROM replies WHERE contentid = content.contentid AND datemod > '18-Jan-02') AS newcomments FROM content, users, categorys WHERE content.categoryid = categorys.categoryid AND ( Lower(content.synopsis) LIKE '%information design%' OR Lower(content.contentname) LIKE '%information design%' OR Lower(users.who) LIKE '%information design%' OR Lower(users.email) LIKE '%information design%' OR content.contentid = INF ) AND content.userid = users.userid AND content.signoff = 1 ORDER BY content.datemod DESC" Data Source = "EVOLT" _____ Caught an exception, type = DATABASE The contents of the tag stack are: 1. CFTRY (24,1) /home/evolt/public_html/alphaboxcontroller.cfm 2. CFINCLUDE (26,3) /home/evolt/public_html/alphaboxcontroller.cfm 3. CFSWITCH (3,1) /home/evolt/public_html/evolt/index.cfm 4. CFDEFAULTCASE (19,3) /home/evolt/public_html/evolt/index.cfm 5. CFINCLUDE (20,5) /home/evolt/public_html/evolt/index.cfm 6. CFINCLUDE (50,4) /home/evolt/public_html/evolt/home_design.cfm 7. CFSWITCH (3,1) /home/evolt/public_html/evolt/app_chooser.cfm 8. CFCASE (19,2) /home/evolt/public_html/evolt/app_chooser.cfm 9. CFINCLUDE (20,3) /home/evolt/public_html/evolt/app_chooser.cfm 10. CFSWITCH (3,1) /home/evolt/public_html/evolt/app_search.cfm 11. CFDEFAULTCASE (4,2) /home/evolt/public_html/evolt/app_search.cfm 12. CFINCLUDE (5,3) /home/evolt/public_html/evolt/app_search.cfm 13. CFIF (17,1) /home/evolt/public_html/evolt/search/act_search.cfm 14. CFQUERY (30,2) /home/evolt/public_html/evolt/search/act_search.cfm Debugging: APP,CFCATCH,CGI,FORM,SESSION,URL Click to Collapse Structure: 6 keys APP Click to Expand Structure: 7 keys PRIV Click to Expand Structure: 5 keys 0 "None" 1 "User" 2 "Member" 3 "Admin" 4 "Godmin" RATING Click to Expand Structure: 6 keys 0 "Unrated" 1 "Poor" 2 "Average" 3 "Good" 4 "Very good" 5 "Excellent" SESSION Click to Expand Structure: 7 keys CFID "404297" CFTOKEN "94337015" PAGETITLE "" SESSIONID "EVOLT_404297_94337015" SIDEBAR Click to Expand Structure: 6 keys ADMIN Click to Expand Structure: 4 keys ARTICLES Click to Expand Structure: 1 keys VISIBLE "1" COMMENTS Click to Expand Structure: 1 keys VISIBLE "1" RATINGS Click to Expand Structure: 1 keys VISIBLE "1" VISIBLE "1" JOBS Click to Expand Structure: 1 keys VISIBLE "1" LOGIN Click to Expand Structure: 1 keys VISIBLE "1" SEARCH Click to Expand Structure: 1 keys VISIBLE "1" THELIST Click to Expand Structure: 1 keys VISIBLE "1" VISIBLE "1" URLTOKEN "CFID=404297&CFTOKEN=94337015" USER Click to Expand Structure: 9 keys DATE_FORMAT "mm/dd/yyyy" EMAIL "ben_gustafson at lionbridge.com" ID "17165" LASTLOGIN "18-JAN-02" MID "" NAME "ben_g" PRIV "1" SCHEME "isaac.css" TIME_FORMAT "hh:mm tt" SIGNOFF Click to Expand Structure: 4 keys 0 "New" 1 "Approved" 2 "Denied" 3 "Pending" STARTING_DISK_PATH "/home/evolt/public_html" USERPRIV Click to Expand Structure: 5 keys ADMIN "3" GODMIN "4" GUEST "0" MEMBER "2" USER "1" VALID_DATA "1" CFCATCH Click to Collapse Structure: 8 keys Type Caught an exception, type DATABASE TagContext Click to Expand Array: 14 elements CFQUERY 30 2 /home/evolt/public_html/evolt/search/act_search.cfm CFIF 17 1 /home/evolt/public_html/evolt/search/act_search.cfm CFINCLUDE 5 3 /home/evolt/public_html/evolt/app_search.cfm CFDEFAULTCASE 4 2 /home/evolt/public_html/evolt/app_search.cfm CFSWITCH 3 1 /home/evolt/public_html/evolt/app_search.cfm CFINCLUDE 20 3 /home/evolt/public_html/evolt/app_chooser.cfm CFCASE 19 2 /home/evolt/public_html/evolt/app_chooser.cfm CFSWITCH 3 1 /home/evolt/public_html/evolt/app_chooser.cfm CFINCLUDE 50 4 /home/evolt/public_html/evolt/home_design.cfm CFINCLUDE 20 5 /home/evolt/public_html/evolt/index.cfm CFDEFAULTCASE 19 3 /home/evolt/public_html/evolt/index.cfm CFSWITCH 3 1 /home/evolt/public_html/evolt/index.cfm CFINCLUDE 26 3 /home/evolt/public_html/alphaboxcontroller.cfm CFTRY 24 1 /home/evolt/public_html/alphaboxcontroller.cfm Message Oracle Error Code = 904 ORA-00904: invalid column name Detail SQL = "SELECT content.contentid, content.contentname, content.synopsis, content.datemod, content.rating, content.ratings, content.replies, content.signoff, users.userid, users.who, users.email, categorys.category, categorys.categoryid, (SELECT Count(*) FROM replies WHERE contentid = content.contentid AND datemod > '18-Jan-02') AS newcomments FROM content, users, categorys WHERE content.categoryid = categorys.categoryid AND ( Lower(content.synopsis) LIKE '%information design%' OR Lower(content.contentname) LIKE '%information design%' OR Lower(users.who) LIKE '%information design%' OR Lower(users.email) LIKE '%information design%' OR content.contentid = INF ) AND content.userid = users.userid AND content.signoff = 1 ORDER BY content.datemod DESC" Data Source = "EVOLT" NativeErrorCode 904 SQLState CGI Click to Expand Structure: 25 keys AUTH_TYPE "" CF_TEMPLATE_PATH "/home/evolt/public_html/alphaboxcontroller.cfm" CONTENT_LENGTH "" CONTENT_TYPE "" HTTP_ACCEPT "application/vnd.ms-excel, application/msword, application/vnd.ms-powerpoint, image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, */*" HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING "gzip, deflate" HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE "en-us,zh-tw;q=0.8,ja;q=0.5,de;q=0.3" HTTP_CONNECTION "Keep-Alive" HTTP_COOKIE "CFID=404297; CFTOKEN=94337015; EVOLT_LOGIN=0003D4DC%2D0857%2D1BE7%2DB6D400017F00106C" HTTP_HOST "www.evolt.org" HTTP_REFERER "http://www.evolt.org/search/index.html?keywords=layers" HTTP_USER_AGENT "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT 4.0; T312461)" PATH_INFO "" PATH_TRANSLATED "" QUERY_STRING "" REMOTE_ADDR "4.22.195.16" REMOTE_HOST "" REMOTE_USER "" REQUEST_METHOD "GET" REQUEST_URI "/search/index.html?keywords=information+design&option=phrase&tid=0&maxrows= 10" SCRIPT_NAME "/alphaboxcontroller.cfm" SERVER_NAME "evolt.org" SERVER_PORT "80" SERVER_PROTOCOL "HTTP/1.1" SERVER_SOFTWARE "Apache/1.3.20 (Unix)" FORM Click to Expand Structure: 7 keys KEYWORDS "" MAXROWS "10" OPTION "all" STATUS "1" SUBMIT "" SYNOPSIS "0" TID "0" SESSION Click to Expand Structure: 7 keys CFID "404297" CFTOKEN "94337015" PAGETITLE "" SESSIONID "EVOLT_404297_94337015" SIDEBAR Click to Expand Structure: 6 keys ADMIN Click to Expand Structure: 4 keys ARTICLES Click to Expand Structure: 1 keys VISIBLE "1" COMMENTS Click to Expand Structure: 1 keys VISIBLE "1" RATINGS Click to Expand Structure: 1 keys VISIBLE "1" VISIBLE "1" JOBS Click to Expand Structure: 1 keys VISIBLE "1" LOGIN Click to Expand Structure: 1 keys VISIBLE "1" SEARCH Click to Expand Structure: 1 keys VISIBLE "1" THELIST Click to Expand Structure: 1 keys VISIBLE "1" VISIBLE "1" URLTOKEN "CFID=404297&CFTOKEN=94337015" USER Click to Expand Structure: 9 keys DATE_FORMAT "mm/dd/yyyy" EMAIL "ben_gustafson at lionbridge.com" ID "17165" LASTLOGIN "18-JAN-02" MID "" NAME "ben_g" PRIV "1" SCHEME "isaac.css" TIME_FORMAT "hh:mm tt" URL Click to Expand Structure: 29 keys ACTION "" ADMIN "" AID "0" BID "0" CATID "0" CFID "" CFTOKEN "" CID "0" COMMENTS "true" DEBUG "0" DEBUGLIST "" EVOLT "" FORMAT "" KEYWORDS "information design" MAXROWS "10" MENU "0" MID "0" OPTION "phrase" PARAMS "" RATING "true" SEARCHPANE "0" SECTION "search" SID "" SIDEBAR "" STATUS "1" SUBSECTION "" SYNOPSIS "0" TID "0" UID "0" From michele at wordpro.on.ca Wed Feb 6 14:10:00 2002 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Wed Feb 6 14:10:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] evolt's search is blowing up (fwd) References: Message-ID: <001401c1af4a$b834e700$95aa2642@aci.on.ca> Hmmm What does that error code mean ? 904? Does it really mean there's an invalid column name? I've tried several different searches .. and all is fine .. except if I look for "information" or "info". Now, I know we were having time-out problems before when people searched for a " " .. so, Jeff fixed that .. and it looks like he fixed single letter searches too. Are information and info special words ? I'm grasping here .... ;) Mich | | Here's the URL: | | http://www.evolt.org/search/index.html?keywords=information+design | &option=phrase&tid=0&maxrows=10 | | --Ben From dmah at shaw.ca Wed Feb 6 14:29:00 2002 From: dmah at shaw.ca (Dean Mah) Date: Wed Feb 6 14:29:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] evolt's search is blowing up (fwd) In-Reply-To: from "Daniel J. Cody" at Feb 06, 2002 12:10:40 PM Message-ID: <200202062032.NAA02762@alice.monkeyland.ca> For some reason, the content.contentid is being checked for INF (check the second last line of the query). INF is not a valid column name. Dean Daniel J. Cody writes: > ORA-00904: invalid column name > > > SQL = "SELECT content.contentid, content.contentname, content.synopsis, > content.datemod, content.rating, content.ratings, content.replies, > content.signoff, users.userid, users.who, users.email, categorys.category, > categorys.categoryid, (SELECT Count(*) FROM replies WHERE contentid = > content.contentid AND datemod > '18-Jan-02') AS newcomments FROM content, > users, categorys WHERE content.categoryid = categorys.categoryid AND ( > Lower(content.synopsis) LIKE '%information design%' OR > Lower(content.contentname) LIKE '%information design%' OR Lower(users.who) > LIKE '%information design%' OR Lower(users.email) LIKE '%information > design%' OR content.contentid = INF ) AND content.userid = users.userid AND > content.signoff = 1 ORDER BY content.datemod DESC" From jeff at members.evolt.org Wed Feb 6 14:29:02 2002 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff) Date: Wed Feb 6 14:29:02 2002 Subject: [thesite] evolt's search is blowing up (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: dan, it looks like there's a Val() missing from around a coldfusion variable that's comparing against a numeric column -- content.contentid. it's hard to say for sure because i can't see the actual code itself. thanks, .jeff http://evolt.org/ jeff at members.evolt.org http://members.evolt.org/jeff/ From michele at wordpro.on.ca Wed Feb 6 14:38:01 2002 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Wed Feb 6 14:38:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] evolt's search is blowing up (fwd) References: <200202062032.NAA02762@alice.monkeyland.ca> Message-ID: <003601c1af4e$9efbda60$95aa2642@aci.on.ca> Why does it happen on info or information ? but I can get results just fine on many other query combinations? The curious one, Mich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dean Mah" | For some reason, the content.contentid is being checked for INF (check | the second last line of the query). INF is not a valid column name. | | Dean | | From martin at members.evolt.org Wed Feb 6 14:53:00 2002 From: martin at members.evolt.org (Martin) Date: Wed Feb 6 14:53:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] Company Merger In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020206030700.030cfe10@203.197.12.4> Message-ID: Or, alternatively, only permit emails from addresses subscribed to thesite. Cheers Martin (without an Enter key since the Guinness episode - adding newlines via copy and paste - new keyboard delivered tomorrow all being well) On Tuesday, February 5, 2002, at 09:37 pm, Madhu Menon wrote: > At 11:34 PM 2/5/2002, thesite-request at lists.evolt.org wrote: >> Do we dis-allow this person to post in the future? I was wondering >> how to >> do that .. if they aren't subbed, which they aren't. > > One measure: hold all messages that don't have the list address in > either > the "To:" or "CC:" field. IIRC, this is on for thelist and thechat. > _______________________________________________ email: martin at easyweb.co.uk PGP ID: 0xA835CCCB martin at members.evolt.org snailmail: 30 Shandon Place tel: +44 (0)774 063 9985 Edinburgh, url: http://www.easyweb.co.uk Scotland From mwarden at mattwarden.com Wed Feb 6 14:57:00 2002 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Wed Feb 6 14:57:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] Company Merger In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Feb 6, Martin had something to say about Re: [thesite] Company Merger >Or, alternatively, only permit emails from addresses subscribed >to thesite. we *still* can't do this :) my email: mwarden at mattwarden.com my outgoing email address: mwarden at scooter.webservepro.com well, not really, but that's an example of why we can't do this. thanks, -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From lists at mantruc.com Wed Feb 6 15:14:00 2002 From: lists at mantruc.com (javier velasco) Date: Wed Feb 6 15:14:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] l.e.o. detail Message-ID: <3C619CE3.96505BBC@mantruc.com> there's a little detail in the sidebar of all the l.e.o. pages: the first link says "Evolt home". It sould say "evolt.org home". this appears in some of the screencaps in lou's review chapter, and it caught my eye while seeing it on paper, could someone please fix this and le me know offlist? (work at mantruc.com) so i can send the fixed screencaps to lou (i know i could do it in photoshop, but then when the people saw the book and visited the url it would be different) thanks in advance -- Javier Velasco Work - http://www.nurun.cl Me - http://mantruc.com Family - http://evolt.org From michele at wordpro.on.ca Wed Feb 6 15:18:01 2002 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Wed Feb 6 15:18:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] l.e.o. detail References: <3C619CE3.96505BBC@mantruc.com> Message-ID: <004101c1af54$2c81c3e0$95aa2642@aci.on.ca> It's going to change anyway .. I just haven't got around to doing it. Aside from the homepage .. which other page(s) do you need? They are all static pages, and with the upgrade to the new MG .. they've all changed and need to be recoded for leo. Thanks, Mich ----- Original Message ----- From: "javier velasco" | there's a little detail in the sidebar of all the l.e.o. pages: | | the first link says "Evolt home". It sould say "evolt.org home". | | this appears in some of the screencaps in lou's review chapter, | and it caught my eye while seeing it on paper, could someone | please fix this and le me know offlist? (work at mantruc.com) so | i can send the fixed screencaps to lou (i know i could do it in | photoshop, but then when the people saw the book and visited the | url it would be different) From lists at mantruc.com Wed Feb 6 17:16:01 2002 From: lists at mantruc.com (javier velasco) Date: Wed Feb 6 17:16:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] l.e.o. detail References: <3C619CE3.96505BBC@mantruc.com> <004101c1af54$2c81c3e0$95aa2642@aci.on.ca> Message-ID: <3C61A1A2.483FE5B@mantruc.com> Michele Foster wrote: > > It's going to change anyway .. I just haven't got around to doing > it. Thanks mich, didn't mean to put pressure on you, i just never got your feedback > Aside from the homepage .. which other page(s) do you need? http://lists.evolt.org http://lists.evolt.org/index.cfm/a/listinfo http://lists.evolt.org/index.cfm/a/harvest/b/search/index.html?userid=4292 http://lists.evolt.org/index.cfm/a/harvest/b/show/c/Week-of-Mon-20010910.html http://lists.evolt.org/index.cfm/a/harvest/b/detail/c/Week-of-Mon-20010910.html/d/3524 > They are all > static pages, and with the upgrade to the new MG .. they've all changed and > need to be recoded for leo. > > Thanks, > -- Javier Velasco Work - http://www.nurun.cl Me - http://mantruc.com Family - http://evolt.org From isaac at triplezero.com.au Wed Feb 6 17:41:01 2002 From: isaac at triplezero.com.au (Isaac Forman) Date: Wed Feb 6 17:41:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] To Do list article Message-ID: Hey, I have a little To Do list application written in CF/Access that I use internally to manage whatever I'm working on. I'm sure it might be useful to someone, and thought about making it an article. However, there's obviously nothing groundbreaking CF-wise that's worth making it into a how-to. What's the best way of getting it out there for anyone who wants it? From a wider perspective, if we had a range of small tools in various languages/OSs, how would we provide those to members? isaac -------------------------------------------------------------- triple zero digital | upstairs at 200 the parade, norwood 5067 (08)83320545 | www.triplezero.com.au | isaac at triplezero.com.au From mwarden at mattwarden.com Wed Feb 6 17:44:01 2002 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Wed Feb 6 17:44:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] To Do list article In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Feb 7, Isaac Forman had something to say about [thesite] To Do list article > >Hey, > >I have a little To Do list application written in CF/Access that I use >internally to manage whatever I'm working on. I'm sure it might be useful to >someone, and thought about making it an article. > >However, there's obviously nothing groundbreaking CF-wise that's worth >making it into a how-to. > >What's the best way of getting it out there for anyone who wants it? > >>From a wider perspective, if we had a range of small tools in various >languages/OSs, how would we provide those to members? like .jeff does? or dir.evolt.org? there's also sourceforge. -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From michele at wordpro.on.ca Wed Feb 6 17:51:01 2002 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Wed Feb 6 17:51:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] To Do list article References: Message-ID: <006a01c1af69$83d84460$95aa2642@aci.on.ca> Isaac, Does it work on our meo accounts? Reason I ask is that I'm thinking we need something for thesite .. and I'm still not sure what we do need, but I'm having a real hard time keeping track of everything that needs to get done. Anyway .. in addition to Sourceforge, if its being used for an evolt.org project, I'd say add it to the FAQ .. but if it isn't, then I don't know that adding it there is a good thing. IOW, write up a short article for it I guess. Put it in under software if you like. Or even Web Business ;) Mich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Isaac Forman" | I have a little To Do list application written in CF/Access that I use | internally to manage whatever I'm working on. I'm sure it might be useful to | someone, and thought about making it an article. | | However, there's obviously nothing groundbreaking CF-wise that's worth | making it into a how-to. | | What's the best way of getting it out there for anyone who wants it? From djc at members.evolt.org Wed Feb 6 17:59:01 2002 From: djc at members.evolt.org (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Wed Feb 6 17:59:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] l.e.o. detail Message-ID: <3C61C4C2.5060201@members.evolt.org> all fixed, lemme know if you need anything else .djc. javier velasco wrote onWed Feb 6 15:14:00 2002: there's a little detail in the sidebar of all the l.e.o. pages: the first link says "Evolt home". It sould say "evolt.org home". this appears in some of the screencaps in lou's review chapter, and it caught my eye while seeing it on paper, could someone please fix this and le me know offlist? (work at mantruc.com) so i can send the fixed screencaps to lou (i know i could do it in photoshop, but then when the people saw the book and visited the url it would be different) thanks in advance -- Javier Velasco Work - http://www.nurun.cl Me - http://mantruc.com Family - http://evolt.org From djc at members.evolt.org Wed Feb 6 18:03:01 2002 From: djc at members.evolt.org (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Wed Feb 6 18:03:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] To Do list article Message-ID: <3C61C59A.6050100@members.evolt.org> iSac - even though its not ground breaking to you, i'm sure people would love to see a real world application explained and built. submit it. Mich - what about (somewhat new) php thewife? .djc. Michele wrote on Wed Feb 6 17:51:01 2002 : Does it work on our meo accounts? Reason I ask is that I'm thinking we need something for thesite .. and I'm still not sure what we do need, but I'm having a real hard time keeping track of everything that needs to get done. Isacc wrote on Wed Feb 6 17:41:01 2002: Hey, I have a little To Do list application written in CF/Access that I use internally to manage whatever I'm working on. I'm sure it might be useful to someone, and thought about making it an article. However, there's obviously nothing groundbreaking CF-wise that's worth making it into a how-to. What's the best way of getting it out there for anyone who wants it? >From a wider perspective, if we had a range of small tools in various languages/OSs, how would we provide those to members? isaac From isaac at members.evolt.org Wed Feb 6 18:03:03 2002 From: isaac at members.evolt.org (isaac) Date: Wed Feb 6 18:03:03 2002 Subject: [thesite] To Do list article In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > like .jeff does? or dir.evolt.org? Yeh, perhaps. But even then, I think that a lot of Jeff's code thingies should be promoted somewhere too. Could they be articles under Code? Snippets and little apps for people to reuse and criticise? > there's also sourceforge. It's just a hacky little app. Not appropriate for sourceforge. ;p i From isaac at members.evolt.org Wed Feb 6 18:04:00 2002 From: isaac at members.evolt.org (isaac) Date: Wed Feb 6 18:04:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] To Do list article In-Reply-To: <006a01c1af69$83d84460$95aa2642@aci.on.ca> Message-ID: > Does it work on our meo accounts? Reason I ask is that I'm > thinking we need > something for thesite .. and I'm still not sure what we do need, but I'm > having a real hard time keeping track of everything that needs to > get done. It could. It's an extension of what I put online for people to brainstorm survey questions. Except now I've adapted it for a 2-person office. You make jobs specific to both workers, and you can throw jobs back-and-forth depending on who is working on them, etc. I find it useful to keep myself on track, and don't mind sharing it (whether or not it'd be useful to others remains to be seen!). Code? With a brief description of what it is, what it needs to run, and ideas for it to be extended? isaac -------------------------------------------------------------- triple zero digital | upstairs at 200 the parade, norwood 5067 (08)83320545 | www.triplezero.com.au | isaac at triplezero.com.au From isaac at members.evolt.org Wed Feb 6 18:09:00 2002 From: isaac at members.evolt.org (isaac) Date: Wed Feb 6 18:09:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] To Do list article In-Reply-To: <3C61C59A.6050100@members.evolt.org> Message-ID: > iSac - even though its not ground breaking to you, i'm sure people would > love to see a real world application explained and built. submit it. > > Mich - what about (somewhat new) php thewife? I think we should use these things to beef up the Code directly. Fill it with cool JS stuff from Jeff, ASP routines (or whatever), and so on. I'll try to get around to it soon. isaac From michele at wordpro.on.ca Wed Feb 6 18:12:01 2002 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Wed Feb 6 18:12:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] To Do list article References: <3C61C59A.6050100@members.evolt.org> Message-ID: <008301c1af6c$83d09be0$95aa2642@aci.on.ca> I need to look at it more .. I need to learn PHP .. sigh You want to put it up somewhere (404 atm).. and maybe one day this week or next we can go through it with a fine tooth comb and decide if we really like it for what it is we want ? Thanks, Mich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel J. Cody" | | Mich - what about (somewhat new) php thewife? | | .djc. From gnarly at punkass.com Wed Feb 6 19:02:10 2002 From: gnarly at punkass.com (Olly Hodgson) Date: Wed Feb 6 19:02:10 2002 Subject: [thesite] To Do list article References: Message-ID: <012e01c1af72$b00fe9d0$0100a8c0@olly> ----- Original Message ----- From: "isaac" Subject: RE: [thesite] To Do list article > > like .jeff does? or dir.evolt.org? > > Yeh, perhaps. But even then, I think that a lot of Jeff's code thingies > should be promoted somewhere too. > > Could they be articles under Code? Snippets and little apps for people to > reuse and criticise? I think thats a fantastic idea. Its just the sort of incredibly useful content that would bring people back to evolt again and again too. Olly. From martin at members.evolt.org Wed Feb 6 19:25:07 2002 From: martin at members.evolt.org (Martin) Date: Wed Feb 6 19:25:07 2002 Subject: [thesite] Company Merger In-Reply-To: Message-ID: So subscribe both, and set the scooter one to nomail. Or get a setup which allows you to set your outgoing email address. Not a showstopper. Cheers Martin On Wednesday, February 6, 2002, at 08:59 pm, Warden, Matt wrote: > On Feb 6, Martin had something to say about Re: [thesite] Company Merger > >> Or, alternatively, only permit emails from addresses subscribed >> to thesite. > > we *still* can't do this :) > > my email: mwarden at mattwarden.com > my outgoing email address: mwarden at scooter.webservepro.com > > well, not really, but that's an example of why we can't do this. _______________________________________________ email: martin at easyweb.co.uk PGP ID: 0xA835CCCB martin at members.evolt.org snailmail: 30 Shandon Place tel: +44 (0)774 063 9985 Edinburgh, url: http://www.easyweb.co.uk Scotland From mwarden at mattwarden.com Wed Feb 6 19:29:08 2002 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Wed Feb 6 19:29:08 2002 Subject: [thesite] Company Merger In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Feb 7, Martin had something to say about Re: [thesite] Company Merger >So subscribe both, and set the scooter one to nomail. Or >get a setup which allows you to set your outgoing email >address. Not a showstopper. i think the spam isn't a showstopper, personally. -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From isaac at members.evolt.org Wed Feb 6 19:33:00 2002 From: isaac at members.evolt.org (isaac) Date: Wed Feb 6 19:33:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] Company Merger In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > i think the spam isn't a showstopper, personally. I agree to an extent, but it's still pretty embarrassing when it gets through to any or some of our lists. How come you're unable to control your outgoing email address? isaac -------------------------------------------------------------- triple zero digital | upstairs at 200 the parade, norwood 5067 (08)83320545 | www.triplezero.com.au | isaac at triplezero.com.au From business1 at tangfeng.org Wed Feb 6 20:19:00 2002 From: business1 at tangfeng.org (T&F Information Exchange) Date: Wed Feb 6 20:19:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] A professional company providing credit & status report of Chinese company. Message-ID: <200202070218.g172IUQu007397@leo.evolt.org> A professional company providing credit & status report of Chinese company. Dear Sirs, T&F is a senior investigative corporation providing credit & status report of Chinese companies for global clients. If you are in need of data from China, we are available to provide that information on consignment. We are an established authority in the field of research and information gathering in China. 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Your name will be removed from our maillist upon requirement. Thank you. ????????????????????????????????? ?????http://love2net.51.net/???????????????? ---------------------------------------------------- INFORMATION This message has been sent using a trial-run version of the TSmtpRelayServer Delphi Component. ---------------------------------------------------- From garrett at polytechnic.co.uk Thu Feb 7 05:59:01 2002 From: garrett at polytechnic.co.uk (Garrett Coakley) Date: Thu Feb 7 05:59:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] To Do list article In-Reply-To: <008301c1af6c$83d09be0$95aa2642@aci.on.ca> References: <3C61C59A.6050100@members.evolt.org> <008301c1af6c$83d09be0$95aa2642@aci.on.ca> Message-ID: <20020207112615.2f693b58.garrett@polytechnic.co.uk> On Wed, 6 Feb 2002 19:15:12 -0500 "Michele Foster" wrote: > From: "Daniel J. Cody" >> >> Mich - what about (somewhat new) php thewife? > You want to put it up somewhere (404 atm).. and maybe one day this > week or next we can go through it with a fine tooth comb and decide if > we really like it for what it is we want ? Remind me again what this thing is? Anything I can help with? G. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- WORK: http://spiked.co.uk/ PLAY: http://polytechnic.co.uk/ From ben_dyer at imaginuity.com Thu Feb 7 10:35:01 2002 From: ben_dyer at imaginuity.com (Ben Dyer) Date: Thu Feb 7 10:35:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] Headlines from evolt.org for 06-FEB-02 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020207103541.03dac2e8@mail.imaginuity.com> OK, take 3... >On the automated Headlines e-mail, is this header correct? > > >Reply-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org > >X-Reply-To: thesite at lists.evolt.org > > > >evolt.org headlines for 06-FEB-02 > >I wouldn't have found this except my filters on Eudora were filtering this >message to thesite because I had selected "any header" instead of "any >recipient" > >--Ben Ben Dyer, Senior Internet Developer, Imaginuity Interactive http://www.imaginuity.com/ If you save the world too often, it begins to expect it. ----------------------------------------------------------------- http://members.evolt.org/OKolzig37/ http://www.evolt.org/ From michele at wordpro.on.ca Thu Feb 7 10:49:00 2002 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Thu Feb 7 10:49:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] Headlines from evolt.org for 06-FEB-02 References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020207103541.03dac2e8@mail.imaginuity.com> Message-ID: <000601c1aff7$b6edb860$95aa2642@aci.on.ca> hmm.. Probably not .. ;) It'll change once we get the new list anyway. Why take 3? I couldn't find any rejected messages in the que .. probs on your end or something else? Mich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Dyer" | OK, take 3... | | >On the automated Headlines e-mail, is this header correct? | > | > >Reply-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org | > >X-Reply-To: thesite at lists.evolt.org | > > | > >evolt.org headlines for 06-FEB-02 | > | >I wouldn't have found this except my filters on Eudora were filtering this | >message to thesite because I had selected "any header" instead of "any | >recipient" | > | >--Ben From ben_dyer at imaginuity.com Thu Feb 7 10:55:00 2002 From: ben_dyer at imaginuity.com (Ben Dyer) Date: Thu Feb 7 10:55:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] Headlines from evolt.org for 06-FEB-02 In-Reply-To: <000601c1aff7$b6edb860$95aa2642@aci.on.ca> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020207103541.03dac2e8@mail.imaginuity.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020207105610.03d998d8@mail.imaginuity.com> On 10:51 AM 2/7/2002, Michele Foster said to me: >Why take 3? I couldn't find any rejected messages in the que .. probs on >your end or something else? Meh, maybe. Got this the last two times: Delivery failed 3 attempts: thesite at lists.evolt.org Could be something on my end, I dunno. (Not in the mood to hunt it down.) --Ben Ben Dyer, Senior Internet Developer, Imaginuity Interactive http://www.imaginuity.com/ If you save the world too often, it begins to expect it. ----------------------------------------------------------------- http://members.evolt.org/OKolzig37/ http://www.evolt.org/ From dmah at shaw.ca Thu Feb 7 10:57:01 2002 From: dmah at shaw.ca (Dean Mah) Date: Thu Feb 7 10:57:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] evolt's search is blowing up (fwd) In-Reply-To: <003601c1af4e$9efbda60$95aa2642@aci.on.ca> from "Michele Foster" at Feb 06, 2002 03:41:11 PM Message-ID: <200202071701.KAA01747@alice.monkeyland.ca> Just a guess... but the ColdFusion code for searching has something like: WHERE ... OR content.contentid = #Val(keyword)# It seems to me that it is trying to take each searched keyword and compare it against the contentid. When the keyword has 'inf' in it, the Val function appears to take this as infinite or something and messes up the SQL. I don't know why the contentid is being compared to the keyword when most likely the keyword is a string. Dean Michele Foster writes: > Why does it happen on info or information ? but I can get results > just fine on many other query combinations? > > The curious one, > > Mich > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dean Mah" > > > | For some reason, the content.contentid is being checked for INF (check > | the second last line of the query). INF is not a valid column name. > | > | Dean From jeff at members.evolt.org Thu Feb 7 12:27:01 2002 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff) Date: Thu Feb 7 12:27:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] evolt's search is blowing up (fwd) In-Reply-To: <200202071701.KAA01747@alice.monkeyland.ca> Message-ID: dean, ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > From: Dean Mah > > Just a guess... but the ColdFusion code for searching > has something like: > > WHERE ... > OR content.contentid = #Val(keyword)# > > It seems to me that it is trying to take each searched > keyword and compare it against the contentid. When the > keyword has 'inf' in it, the Val function appears to > take this as infinite or something and messes up the > SQL. > > I don't know why the contentid is being compared to the > keyword when most likely the keyword is a string. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< it was an attempt to allow searching by keyword, but not really necessary. .jeff http://evolt.org/ jeff at members.evolt.org http://members.evolt.org/jeff/ From martin at members.evolt.org Thu Feb 7 16:01:26 2002 From: martin at members.evolt.org (Martin) Date: Thu Feb 7 16:01:26 2002 Subject: [thesite] Company Merger In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <83715D3A-1C15-11D6-91F9-000502172AD3@members.evolt.org> On Thursday, February 7, 2002, at 01:31 am, Warden, Matt wrote: > On Feb 7, Martin had something to say about Re: [thesite] Company Merger > >> So subscribe both, and set the scooter one to nomail. Or >> get a setup which allows you to set your outgoing email >> address. Not a showstopper. > > i think the spam isn't a showstopper, personally. That may be true, but others disagree, and think it's worth the 1 minute it'd take to sub and nomail that address, because rn, you're the person letting spam onto evolt's lists. Hell, I'll even do it for you. Cheers Martin _______________________________________________ email: martin at easyweb.co.uk PGP ID: 0xA835CCCB martin at members.evolt.org snailmail: 30 Shandon Place tel: +44 (0)774 063 9985 Edinburgh, url: http://www.easyweb.co.uk Scotland From r937 at interlog.com Thu Feb 7 18:44:03 2002 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Thu Feb 7 18:44:03 2002 Subject: [thesite] spam (was: Company Merger) Message-ID: <01c1b03a$2bbbbc40$064f149a@rudy> > rn, you're the person letting spam onto evolt's lists. martin, could you please explain this? (not the "rn" -- i know this means "right now") i don't understand how anyone, other than perhaps the author/maintainer of the MG code who can shut out non-subscribers but has not yet done it, is letting spam onto evolt's lists rudy From djc at members.evolt.org Fri Feb 8 10:59:00 2002 From: djc at members.evolt.org (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Fri Feb 8 10:59:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] Re: spam, etc. In-Reply-To: <200202081651.g18GpRYl000986@leo.evolt.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 8 Feb 2002, root wrote: > From: ".jeff" > To: > Subject: RE: [thesite] evolt's search is blowing up (fwd) > Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 10:30:02 -0800 > dean, > > ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > > From: Dean Mah > > > > Just a guess... but the ColdFusion code for searching > > has something like: > > > > WHERE ... > > OR content.contentid = #Val(keyword)# > > > > It seems to me that it is trying to take each searched > > keyword and compare it against the contentid. When the > > keyword has 'inf' in it, the Val function appears to > > take this as infinite or something and messes up the > > SQL. > > > > I don't know why the contentid is being compared to the > > keyword when most likely the keyword is a string. > ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > > it was an attempt to allow searching by keyword, but not really necessary. why would it search a numerical column for a keyword(text)x though? .djc. > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 21:56:17 +0000 > Subject: Re: [thesite] Company Merger > From: Martin > To: thesite at lists.evolt.org > > On Thursday, February 7, 2002, at 01:31 am, Warden, Matt wrote: > > > On Feb 7, Martin had something to say about Re: [thesite] Company Merger > > > >> So subscribe both, and set the scooter one to nomail. Or > >> get a setup which allows you to set your outgoing email > >> address. Not a showstopper. > > > > i think the spam isn't a showstopper, personally. > > That may be true, but others disagree, and think it's worth > the 1 minute it'd take to sub and nomail that address, because > rn, you're the person letting spam onto evolt's lists. > > Hell, I'll even do it for you. this has come up a number of times before, on various lists, and my answer has always been the same.. no :) i personally post from whatever machine i'm logged into at the moment, so subbing each of those accounts on each of those machines would be more than a minute, and i'm the one letting spam in :) you'd be amazed at how much *doesn't* get through that no one sees. an average of 1 spam a week that takes 2 seconds to hit 'delete' is more of a minor inconvienence .djc. From jeff at members.evolt.org Fri Feb 8 14:24:00 2002 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff) Date: Fri Feb 8 14:24:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] Re: spam, etc. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: djc, ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > From: Daniel J. Cody > > > it was an attempt to allow searching by keyword, but > > not really necessary. > > why would it search a numerical column for a > keyword(text)x though? ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< it's not. it's trying to force the keyword to a numeric value (0 if it's a string). so, i could enter in 20938 and get a result for my latest javascript article. obviously, in this case it thinks that val("information") should be "inf" (infinite). however, it's not that useful anymore and doesn't need to be there. .jeff http://evolt.org/ jeff at members.evolt.org http://members.evolt.org/jeff/ From martin at members.evolt.org Sat Feb 9 04:02:01 2002 From: martin at members.evolt.org (Martin) Date: Sat Feb 9 04:02:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] Re: spam, etc. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <78051F6D-1D44-11D6-91F9-000502172AD3@members.evolt.org> On Friday, February 8, 2002, at 05:01 pm, Daniel J. Cody wrote: >>>> So subscribe both, and set the scooter one to nomail. Or >>>> get a setup which allows you to set your outgoing email >>>> address. Not a showstopper. >>> >>> i think the spam isn't a showstopper, personally. >> >> That may be true, but others disagree, and think it's worth >> the 1 minute it'd take to sub and nomail that address, because >> rn, you're the person letting spam onto evolt's lists. >> >> Hell, I'll even do it for you. > > this has come up a number of times before, on various lists, and my > answer > has always been the same.. no :) > > i personally post from whatever machine i'm logged into at the moment, > so > subbing each of those accounts on each of those machines would be more > than a minute, and i'm the one letting spam in :) Yet your From address always comes in the same... how does this create a problem? Same with Matt - his From address is always the same - I'm not convinced it would keep *either* of you out. Cheers Martin _______________________________________________ email: martin at easyweb.co.uk PGP ID: 0xA835CCCB martin at members.evolt.org snailmail: 30 Shandon Place tel: +44 (0)774 063 9985 Edinburgh, url: http://www.easyweb.co.uk Scotland From michele at wordpro.on.ca Sat Feb 9 20:29:01 2002 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Sat Feb 9 20:29:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] thelist archive ?? Message-ID: <000701c1b1db$29a025c0$95aa2642@aci.on.ca> hmmm What happened to thelist archive this past week? It's all messed up at the bottom? http://lists.evolt.org/archive/Week-of-Mon-20020204/date.html Thanks, Mich From cspruck at mindspring.com Sat Feb 9 20:39:00 2002 From: cspruck at mindspring.com (Chris Spruck) Date: Sat Feb 9 20:39:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] thelist archive ?? In-Reply-To: <000701c1b1db$29a025c0$95aa2642@aci.on.ca> Message-ID: <4.2.2.20020209214300.027390c0@pop3.norton.antivirus> At 09:32 PM 2/9/02 -0500, Michele Foster wrote: >What happened to thelist archive this past week? It's all messed up at the >bottom? > >http://lists.evolt.org/archive/Week-of-Mon-20020204/date.html Looks like the

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tags in the subject line where it breaks is getting parsed in the browser. Chris From michele at wordpro.on.ca Sat Feb 9 20:43:00 2002 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Sat Feb 9 20:43:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] thelist archive ?? References: <4.2.2.20020209214300.027390c0@pop3.norton.antivirus> Message-ID: <001001c1b1dd$23da91a0$95aa2642@aci.on.ca> hmm Interesting .. I've no clue how to fix that .. lol. I guess we shouldn't use markup in the subjects. Mich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Spruck" | At 09:32 PM 2/9/02 -0500, Michele Foster wrote: | >What happened to thelist archive this past week? It's all messed up at the | >bottom? | > | >http://lists.evolt.org/archive/Week-of-Mon-20020204/date.html | | Looks like the

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tags in the subject line where it breaks is | getting parsed in the browser. | | Chris From roselli at earthlink.net Sat Feb 9 21:11:01 2002 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Sat Feb 9 21:11:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] thelist archive ?? In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20020209214300.027390c0@pop3.norton.antivirus> References: <000701c1b1db$29a025c0$95aa2642@aci.on.ca> Message-ID: <3C659EE7.22860.1A306C54@localhost> > From: Chris Spruck > > > >http://lists.evolt.org/archive/Week-of-Mon-20020204/date.html > > Looks like the

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tags in the subject line where it breaks is > getting parsed in the browser. heh... sorry guys... From hus at mail.tzptt.zj.cn Sun Feb 10 02:19:00 2002 From: hus at mail.tzptt.zj.cn (üSíÌ´aì) Date: Sun Feb 10 02:19:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] »¶Ó­¼ÓÃË»ÆÒ³ºÅÂë¿âÍøÂçÁªÃË Message-ID: <200202100818.g1A8IeQu015819@leo.evolt.org> ??????????/?????? ?????? ?????@?????????????????????????????????r?g???????????h???????r?????t???? ???????????????c?r?g???????????????????????I?_?????????????? ???S?????a?????????????????????????I???????C?P?F?w???????????Y??????????114?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????a???????P?I???????I?????????????????????????????????? ???S?????a???????????????????????????????????????????????????I?K??"????????"???????????????????????_?? ???S?????a?????????????????????S?????a???M?????W?????w???????????S?????a???????????^?S?????a???????????I???????????w???????S?????a?????????????????????c?????C?????????? ???S?????a?????????????????????????????????????????????????? http://www.china168.com ?? ?????????????????????????? ?? ?????????????f???????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????http://love2net.51.net/???????????????????????????????? ---------------------------------------------------- INFORMATION This message has been sent using a trial-run version of the TSmtpRelayServer Delphi Component. ---------------------------------------------------- From yuyegang at sina.com Sun Feb 10 23:13:01 2002 From: yuyegang at sina.com (ÓáÒ¶¸Õ) Date: Sun Feb 10 23:13:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] Óʹº£ºÄÐÐÔ±£½¡Æ·¡°ÈýÐÛ½ºÄÒ¡± Message-ID: <200202110512.g1B5CWQu008455@leo.evolt.org> [ Converted text/html to text/plain ] ?????????????? ????,????????,???????.????????????4?/? ????45.00?/? ????39.16?/? ????30?/??????,????email??? ????????0571-50409177 ??? ????????635207111007394302 ??? ??? ?????????????325?10-0104? ????? 311202 EMAIL?yuyegang at 163.com ???? ??? ??? 0571 - 85994189 ??? 0571-- 82634177 ????????????? www.555.cn.gs www.mye.8u8.com ????????????????????????????????? ?????[???]????[1]???????????????? ---------------------------------------------------- INFORMATION This message has been sent using a trial-run version of the TSmtpRelayServer Delphi Component. ---------------------------------------------------- ===References:=== 1. http://love2net.51.net/ From skaiser1 at skdesigns.com Sun Feb 10 23:24:00 2002 From: skaiser1 at skdesigns.com (Shirley Kaiser (SKDesigns)) Date: Sun Feb 10 23:24:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] thelist archive ?? In-Reply-To: <3C659EE7.22860.1A306C54@localhost> References: <4.2.2.20020209214300.027390c0@pop3.norton.antivirus> <000701c1b1db$29a025c0$95aa2642@aci.on.ca> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020210212419.026e0788@mail.midtown.net> At 07:12 PM 2/9/2002, you typed: > > From: Chris Spruck > > > > > >http://lists.evolt.org/archive/Week-of-Mon-20020204/date.html > > > > Looks like the

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tags in the subject line where it breaks is > > getting parsed in the browser. > >heh... sorry guys... If you want to use markup, just add a dot in there, such as <.h1>-<.h6>. I recently moderated another design discussion digest for about a year, and I certainly heard when strange things happened with all the e-mail programs out there. Just adding that dot fixed it, and then I just made a quick mention about it not really belonging there. Worked fine, and I suspect it would work here, too. I seldom see markup in subjects anyway, though. Just my 2 cents.... Warmly, Shirley -- Shirley E. Kaiser, M.A., SKDesigns mailto:skaiser1 at skdesigns.com Web Site Design, Development http://www.skdesigns.com/ WebsiteTips: Design Resources http://www.websitetips.com/ Brainstorms and Raves http://www.brainstormsandraves.com/ From djc at members.evolt.org Mon Feb 11 09:30:01 2002 From: djc at members.evolt.org (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Mon Feb 11 09:30:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] thelist archive ?? In-Reply-To: <001001c1b1dd$23da91a0$95aa2642@aci.on.ca> Message-ID: all fixed now.. trying to figure out why it barfed on that because it usually escapes all HTML thanks for the heads up though On Sat, 9 Feb 2002, Michele Foster wrote: > hmm > > Interesting .. I've no clue how to fix that .. lol. I guess we shouldn't > use markup in the subjects. > > Mich > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Spruck" > > > | At 09:32 PM 2/9/02 -0500, Michele Foster wrote: > | >What happened to thelist archive this past week? It's all messed up at > the > | >bottom? > | > > | >http://lists.evolt.org/archive/Week-of-Mon-20020204/date.html > | > | Looks like the

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tags in the subject line where it breaks is > | getting parsed in the browser. > | > | Chris > > > _______________________________________________ > For unsubscribe, archive, and options, go to: > http://lists.evolt.org/mailman/listinfo/thesite > From djc at members.evolt.org Mon Feb 11 19:18:10 2002 From: djc at members.evolt.org (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Mon Feb 11 19:18:10 2002 Subject: [thesite] weee. Message-ID: that sucked. in case you didn't notice(and good for you :) we just lost our net connect for about an hour. still some problems with qwest and where they have the evolt t1 hitting chicago. sorry. From unsubs-49634e9cc9-thesite=lists.evolt.org at b.verticalresponse.com Mon Feb 11 19:49:01 2002 From: unsubs-49634e9cc9-thesite=lists.evolt.org at b.verticalresponse.com (SiteChatter.com) Date: Mon Feb 11 19:49:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] Add Live Customer Support To Your Website for $10! 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Try our no-obligation FREE TRIAL today! http://r.vresp.com/?SiteChatter/c8158a3516 SiteChatter.com support at sitechatter.com ______________________________________________________________________ You are receiving this email because you requested to receive info and updates via email. To unsubscribe, reply to this email with "unsubscribe" in the subject or simply click on the following link: http://unsubscribe.verticalresponse.com/u.html?49634e9cc9/fae6a384e8 -- . From r937 at interlog.com Mon Feb 11 21:25:01 2002 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Mon Feb 11 21:25:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] Add Live Customer Support To Your Website for $10! Message-ID: <01c1b374$d9e92cc0$f44d149a@rudy> > Do you own a website? do these people live on the same planet i do? >Try our no-obligation FREE TRIAL today! >http://r.vresp.com/?SiteChatter/c8158a3516 interesting obviously, that last bit is a special code so that they can see who took the spam bait i always like to try going to these sites and substituting some other code in this case, if it's not a valid code, you get Bad URL - This incident has been logged and your IP Noted heh, that just gets me started how about http://r.vresp.com/?SiteChatter/DIE%20fucking%20SPAMMERS,%20DIE or http://r.vresp.com/?SiteChatter/bet_you_stupid_fucks_don't_even_read_your_l ogs sorry, long day, short fuse, frayed nerves... rudy From roselli at earthlink.net Tue Feb 12 08:37:02 2002 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Tue Feb 12 08:37:02 2002 Subject: [thesite] (Fwd) [---st] Re: Language [#8306] Message-ID: <200202121436.g1CEaLQu023410@leo.evolt.org> [ Converted text/enriched to text/plain ] so, what's the point of allowing HTML messages, even after stripping them to their plain text equivalent again? i've seen a lot more crap come through, and more and more replies from people aren't quoting properly, and i wonder if it's related to this somehow... so why, again? ------- Forwarded message follows ------- From: care at roadloans.com To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: [thelist] Re: Language [#8306] [...] --V116ySy1qy3481UkR175gg Content-Type: audio/x-wav; name=Gd.scr Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-ID: MDIvMTIvMjAwMiAwNTozNTozOSBUaGUgb3JpZ2luYWwgYXR0YW [...] --V116ySy1qy3481UkR175gg-- From michele at wordpro.on.ca Tue Feb 12 09:48:01 2002 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Tue Feb 12 09:48:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] Author block articles Message-ID: <00bb01c1b3dc$482a6700$95aa2642@aci.on.ca> Jeff, When you have a chance .. can you look at the author block. It looks like both average rating and total ratings are NOT looking at approved articles only. I think they should be?? Thanks Michele From djc at members.evolt.org Tue Feb 12 09:56:01 2002 From: djc at members.evolt.org (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Tue Feb 12 09:56:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] (Fwd) [---st] Re: Language [#8306] In-Reply-To: <200202121436.g1CEaLQu023410@leo.evolt.org> Message-ID: not sure i'm following you aard.. ? HTML isn't allowed in messages, it's stripped out before it gets sent to thelist. the content of the message remains intact, but the formatting is wiped out. can you fwd me some of the replies with goofy formatting? On Tue, 12 Feb 2002, aardvark wrote: > [ Converted text/enriched to text/plain ] > > so, what's the point of allowing HTML messages, even after stripping them to > their plain text equivalent again? > > i've seen a lot more crap come through, and more and more replies from people > aren't quoting properly, and i wonder if it's related to this somehow... > > so why, again? From easytest8341 at email.com Tue Feb 12 10:08:01 2002 From: easytest8341 at email.com (easytest8341 at email.com) Date: Tue Feb 12 10:08:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] ÇéÈ˽ÚÖÁ°®Àñ°ü Message-ID: <200202121607.g1CG7EQu025909@leo.evolt.org> [ Converted text/html to text/plain ] ???????????????? 1?????????? ?????????????????? 39??/???? 2?????????? ??????????????????????????!??????????????????????! 3.8?? 19???? 3?????????? ?????????????????? 12???? 29?? ???????????? http://go6.163.com/ghztavon ????????????????!!! ??????????????????????SMTP???????????????????????????????? ????????????????????????????????????http://www.seekeasysoft.net[1] ===References:=== 1. http://www.seekeasysoft.net From roselli at earthlink.net Tue Feb 12 10:21:00 2002 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Tue Feb 12 10:21:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] (Fwd) [---st] Re: Language [#8306] In-Reply-To: References: <200202121436.g1CEaLQu023410@leo.evolt.org> Message-ID: <200202121620.g1CGKDQu026168@leo.evolt.org> > From: "Daniel J. Cody" > > not sure i'm following you aard.. ? that's ok, i rarely follow me, either... > HTML isn't allowed in messages, it's stripped out before it gets sent > to thelist. the content of the message remains intact, but the > formatting is wiped out. in most cases, it seems to, but the one we got today simply got 'converted' to plain text, it still showed the HTML version, as well as the full MIME content of the .wav file they attached... so, the example i sent didn't get stripped when it was initially posted... > can you fwd me some of the replies with goofy formatting? no, because it's not formatting i mean, but full inclusion of the undesired content in some cases... although, on a different note, the below troubles me, and i don't know if it's just my email client: > On Tue, 12 Feb 2002, aardvark wrote: > > > [ Converted text/enriched to text/plain ] my message was caught in the filters... i only send in plain text, and i replied to a plain-textifed post in plain text, but somehow the filters saw a need to strip mine of non-plaintext stuff... what up with that? From djc at members.evolt.org Tue Feb 12 13:45:01 2002 From: djc at members.evolt.org (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Tue Feb 12 13:45:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] (Fwd) [---st] Re: Language [#8306] In-Reply-To: <200202121620.g1CGKDQu026168@leo.evolt.org> Message-ID: the filtering stuff isn't perfect yet, as is shown in both cases today.. in your case, the 'converted' message showed because your content-type was not exactly plain/text, MG can't alter the headers of messages that come in plain/text so thats why i think it was something else - even though it *IS* plain text, the content-type was just off maybe. in fact, when i look at the headers of your messages, the charset of content-type isn't enclosed in "quotes" like most others are, although that might not be it anyways, MG isn't perfect, far from it in fact, but bear with me while the kinks are worked out :) > > HTML isn't allowed in messages, it's stripped out before it gets sent > > to thelist. the content of the message remains intact, but the > > formatting is wiped out. > > in most cases, it seems to, but the one we got today simply got > 'converted' to plain text, it still showed the HTML version, as well as > the full MIME content of the .wav file they attached... so, the > example i sent didn't get stripped when it was initially posted... > > > can you fwd me some of the replies with goofy formatting? > > no, because it's not formatting i mean, but full inclusion of the > undesired content in some cases... > > although, on a different note, the below troubles me, and i don't know if it's just my email client: > > > On Tue, 12 Feb 2002, aardvark wrote: > > > > > [ Converted text/enriched to text/plain ] > > my message was caught in the filters... i only send in plain text, > and i replied to a plain-textifed post in plain text, but somehow the > filters saw a need to strip mine of non-plaintext stuff... > > what up with that? > > _______________________________________________ > For unsubscribe, archive, and options, go to: > http://lists.evolt.org/mailman/listinfo/thesite > From sales at cybersync.com Tue Feb 12 13:59:00 2002 From: sales at cybersync.com (John Ponic - CyberSync Hosting & Award Winning Web Design) Date: Tue Feb 12 13:59:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] Help Message-ID: <3C68931A.114F1FCE@cybersync.com> Hi, Not sure if we're in the right area if not maybe you could direct us. We need help with a web site and probably some database features. The question is do you or do you know of free lance programmers or firms that could be hired out? Our client is on a Windows 2K with 1 ODBS DSN connection allowed. We need to use MS Access to upload the data and maintain it. We then need to select records and output them to a web page. More detail is available for the full project so we can get a cost of completing the project, but no point in going further at this stage if we're just wasting your time. Hope you can help make some recommendations. Thank you, John -- Thank you for hosting with CyberSync -- John Ponic CyberSync Consulting Telephone: (519) 252-8275 Facsimile: (519) 252-7302 E-mail: sales at CyberSync.com Web Site: CyberSync.com Based in Windsor, Ontario, Canada From michele at wordpro.on.ca Tue Feb 12 14:15:00 2002 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Tue Feb 12 14:15:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] Help References: <3C68931A.114F1FCE@cybersync.com> Message-ID: <00e301c1b401$f19c3dc0$95aa2642@aci.on.ca> Hi John, You've sent a message to evolt.org's mailing list "thesite". This list is specifically for the development of the evolt.org web sites and other projects. You may wish to submit a job posting to our web site. This will allow you to reach our web site visitors. This article provides information on how to write a job opportunity for the evolt.org web site. http://evolt.org/job_faq/index.html If you want to talk generally about freelancers, you may wish to subscribe to our other mailing list, thelist. More information can be found at http://lists.evolt.org. I'm going to contact you off list about this opportunity, as I am a freelancer myself. I wanted to respond to you from an evolt.org perspective as well. Kind regards, Michele ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Ponic - CyberSync Hosting & Award Winning Web Design" | Hi, | | Not sure if we're in the right area if not maybe you could direct us. We | need help with a web site and probably some database features. The | question is do you or do you know of free lance programmers or firms | that could be hired out? | | Our client is on a Windows 2K with 1 ODBS DSN connection allowed. We | need to use MS Access to upload the data and maintain it. We then need | to select records and output them to a web page. | | More detail is available for the full project so we can get a cost of | completing the project, but no point in going further at this stage if | we're just wasting your time. | | Hope you can help make some recommendations. | | Thank you, | John From roselli at earthlink.net Tue Feb 12 14:52:00 2002 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Tue Feb 12 14:52:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] (Fwd) [---st] Re: Language [#8306] In-Reply-To: References: <200202121620.g1CGKDQu026168@leo.evolt.org> Message-ID: <200202122051.g1CKppQu001538@leo.evolt.org> > From: "Daniel J. Cody" > > the filtering stuff isn't perfect yet, as is shown in both cases > today.. figgered... it's a moving target anyway... > in your case, the 'converted' message showed because your content-type > was not exactly plain/text, MG can't alter the headers of messages > that come in plain/text so thats why i think it was something else - > even though it *IS* plain text, the content-type was just off maybe. > in fact, when i look at the headers of your messages, the charset of > content-type isn't enclosed in "quotes" like most others are, although > that might not be it that's bizarre... so it inherited the MIME-type of the message i forwarded? and was the MIME-type set by MG? hmmm.... > anyways, MG isn't perfect, far from it in fact, but bear with me while > the kinks are worked out :) no problem... and FWIW, my asking why we even allow HTML messages to be parsed and passed through wasn't questioning your work or ability... it is, however, still in my mind... i was more than content knowing they were bouncing... and as far as i knew, since i didn't hear otherwise, there was no moving target to hit when it came to MIME- types, attachments, etc... From djc at members.evolt.org Tue Feb 12 16:48:00 2002 From: djc at members.evolt.org (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Tue Feb 12 16:48:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] (Fwd) [---st] Re: Language [#8306] In-Reply-To: <200202122051.g1CKppQu001538@leo.evolt.org> Message-ID: actually, we didn't bounce HTML emails. they just got held in the approval queue till one of us forwarded them through matt's HTML stripper(w00h00!) manually. which, needless to say, was a pain in the ass. i used to put a hold on a shitload more header values, if thats what you mean by moving target.. that list i posted yesterday is about half the size it was before the new MG came along. anywho > and FWIW, my asking why we even allow HTML messages to be > parsed and passed through wasn't questioning your work or ability... > > it is, however, still in my mind... i was more than content knowing > they were bouncing... and as far as i knew, since i didn't hear > otherwise, there was no moving target to hit when it came to MIME- > types, attachments, etc... From yleef at xinhuanet.com Wed Feb 13 10:03:00 2002 From: yleef at xinhuanet.com (yleef at xinhuanet.com) Date: Wed Feb 13 10:03:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] =?GB2312?B?yrXP1sT6ILDZIM3yuLsgzsy1xMPOIM/r?= Message-ID: <200202131602.g1DG2hQu025302@leo.evolt.org> ?????? ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????internet???????????????????? ???? ???????????? ???????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?? ?????? ???? ?? ??????http://rich4all.yeah.net ???????????????????????????????????????? MLM?? ???????????? ?????????? Internet ???????? ????????????5?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ???? ?? ??????http://rich4all.yeah.net ???????????????????????????????? ?????????????? QQ:67262864 ?? ?????????????????????? From djc at members.evolt.org Wed Feb 13 10:33:00 2002 From: djc at members.evolt.org (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Wed Feb 13 10:33:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] =?GB2312?B?yrXP1sT6ILDZIM3yuLsgzsy1xMPOIM/r?= In-Reply-To: <200202131602.g1DG2hQu025302@leo.evolt.org> Message-ID: ok, screw this i don't know why we're getting copious amounts of crap to this particular list, but i'm setting moderation on for thesite for the time being. expect some delay in your posts, but nothing major. sorry again On Thu, 14 Feb 2002 yleef at xinhuanet.com wrote: > ?????? > > ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? > ??????????internet???????????????????? ???? ???????????? > > ???????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?? ?????? > ???? ?? ??????http://rich4all.yeah.net > > ???????????????????????????????????????? MLM?? > ???????????? ?????????? Internet ???????? > > ????????????5?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? > ???? ?? ??????http://rich4all.yeah.net > > ???????????????????????????????? > > ?????????????? > QQ:67262864 > > ?? ?????????????????????? > ??????????????????????????????????????????r??{??r?{??v?m???? > -??m????X??????m????f??f??X??)???az?? > From djc at members.evolt.org Wed Feb 13 14:27:00 2002 From: djc at members.evolt.org (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Wed Feb 13 14:27:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] nother test.. Message-ID: delete. From mccreath at ak.net Wed Feb 13 19:59:01 2002 From: mccreath at ak.net (David McCreath) Date: Wed Feb 13 19:59:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] Re: [the****] Need feedback for the archives References: <20020213222519.476e7470.garrett@polytechnic.co.uk> Message-ID: <3C6B0585.9060902@ak.net> Moving to thesite since we're now talking details and the feedback from thelist seems to be over. Garrett Coakley wrote: > On Wed, 13 Feb 2002 15:20:07 -0600 (CST) "Daniel J. Cody" > wrote: >>http://lists.evolt.org/archive/Week-of-Mon-20020211/053589.html >>is an example of a regular post.. the message body of the post itself >>is slightly highlighted to draw attention to it. to fluffy? to >>bright/soft? > > Looks okay to me, same with the index of threads. What colour is that > background? Salmon? *:) Hm. Looks beige on both of my systems (W2K, MacOS 8.6). That's a funny part of the spectrum to get consistent across the OS/browser combos. Usually blues and grays are much easier to duplicate. Dan, how about something along the lines of #ebebeb? It'll still fit well with the link colors and it's light enough not to cause contrast problems. > One thing I would say, just throwing this out for discussion, the fonts > seem a little small to me. > > Why change the default font size at all? Isn't there a case to be made > for leaving the font size at whatever the user finds comfortable, ie: > their own settings. Yeah, they're fixed pixel heights, so they're not adjustable by many browsers. I'd say kill the font-size attribute of all the styles and let people adjust the size if they need to. (There are some remnants in that stylesheet that can come out, too, Dan. Down at the bottom. ;)) David From r937 at interlog.com Wed Feb 13 20:12:00 2002 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Wed Feb 13 20:12:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] Re: [the****] Need feedback for the archives Message-ID: <01c1b4fc$6f861120$314e149a@rudy> unvisited and visited are almost impossible to tell apart i like a nice robust blue for unvisited -- nothing less than 00CC00 rudy From mwarden at mattwarden.com Thu Feb 14 08:53:08 2002 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Thu Feb 14 08:53:08 2002 Subject: [thesite] Re: [the****] Need feedback for the archives In-Reply-To: <01c1b4fc$6f861120$314e149a@rudy> Message-ID: On Feb 13, rudy had something to say about Re: [thesite] Re: [the****] Need... >unvisited and visited are almost impossible to tell apart actually, i can tell them apart fine. they just seem "opposite" to me. (all colors are as seen on my shitty laptop monitor) the brownish color is actually an unvisited link and the blueish is a visited link. exactly opposite of what i thought at first. hey, you said you wanted feedback :) -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From rudy937 at rogers.com Thu Feb 14 08:53:11 2002 From: rudy937 at rogers.com (rudy937) Date: Thu Feb 14 08:53:11 2002 Subject: [thesite] need f**dback for the archives Message-ID: <000701c1b500$9de9feb0$b1ee6518@cr293583a> > i like a nice robust blue for unvisited -- > nothing less than 00CC00 what an idiot -- he musta meant CC0000 oh, and the italics for the quoted? practically illegible rudy937 From djc at members.evolt.org Thu Feb 14 10:10:00 2002 From: djc at members.evolt.org (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Thu Feb 14 10:10:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] Re: [the****] Need feedback for the archives In-Reply-To: <3C6B0585.9060902@ak.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Feb 2002, David McCreath wrote: > > Dan, how about something along the lines of #ebebeb? It'll still fit > well with the link colors and it's light enough not to cause contrast > problems. ok, what should i change to #ebebeb? :) > Yeah, they're fixed pixel heights, so they're not adjustable by many > browsers. I'd say > kill the font-size attribute of all the styles and let people adjust > the size if they need to. ok > (There are some remnants in that stylesheet that can come out, too, Dan. > Down at the bottom. ;)) heh, why'd you put them in there in the first place then? ;) thnx dave .djc. From michele at wordpro.on.ca Thu Feb 14 10:17:07 2002 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Thu Feb 14 10:17:07 2002 Subject: [thesite] Re: [the****] Need feedback for the archives References: Message-ID: <005801c1b572$a1321e00$95aa2642@aci.on.ca> Dan, I'm editing it atm .. ;) Mich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel J. Cody" | On Wed, 13 Feb 2002, David McCreath wrote: | > | > Dan, how about something along the lines of #ebebeb? It'll still fit | > well with the link colors and it's light enough not to cause contrast | > problems. | | ok, what should i change to #ebebeb? :) | From djc at members.evolt.org Thu Feb 14 10:17:09 2002 From: djc at members.evolt.org (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Thu Feb 14 10:17:09 2002 Subject: [thesite] Re: [the****] Need feedback for the archives In-Reply-To: Message-ID: ok, removed the font size thing, but now it looks really big? i suck at design :( On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Daniel J. Cody wrote: > On Wed, 13 Feb 2002, David McCreath wrote: > > > > Dan, how about something along the lines of #ebebeb? It'll still fit > > well with the link colors and it's light enough not to cause contrast > > problems. > > ok, what should i change to #ebebeb? :) > > > Yeah, they're fixed pixel heights, so they're not adjustable by many > > browsers. I'd say > > kill the font-size attribute of all the styles and let people adjust > > the size if they need to. > > ok > > > (There are some remnants in that stylesheet that can come out, too, Dan. > > Down at the bottom. ;)) > > heh, why'd you put them in there in the first place then? ;) > > thnx dave > > .djc. > > _______________________________________________ > For unsubscribe, archive, and options, go to: > http://lists.evolt.org/mailman/listinfo/thesite > From michele at wordpro.on.ca Fri Feb 15 07:14:01 2002 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Fri Feb 15 07:14:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] oops .. Archives Message-ID: <008301c1b5e0$68045260$95aa2642@aci.on.ca> Hi Folks maybe some o' that lovely poached salmon colour that we have in the archives now? We changed the colour (greyish/blueish) used for the background of the archive. Font sizes were taken out, they are now sizable via the user's browser. I added some line spacing between the archive list elements to make them easier to read. Dan increased the spacing on the main archive page for readability. Reversed the colours for link and visited, as they were "reverse" of what they logically should be. Fixed the font used for the messages .. which greatly improved the italics problem some had noticed. Dan's re-indexed thelist, so that all the changes will take affect and the archives will be consistent. Garrett wrote a fancy redirect program in PHP to handle the broken links to the old archives. Which happened when we upgraded MG originally. :( Google will hopefully reindex us very soon... after which, we'll see very few redirected links. :) Dan's gonna put together a short article for Community News once everything is done. (Well, since I've done this already .... hehehe .. Dan, want to fill in any technical info and I'll compile it and submit it. ) I guess we all forgot to mention it to thesite .. ooops Michele From r937 at interlog.com Fri Feb 15 07:55:01 2002 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Fri Feb 15 07:55:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] oops .. Archives Message-ID: <01c1b627$09b7ba20$a151149a@rudy> >We changed the colour (greyish/blueish) used for the background of the >archive. Font sizes were taken out, they are now sizable via the user's >browser. I added some line spacing between the archive list elements to >make them easier to read. Dan increased the spacing on the main archive >page for readability. Reversed the colours for link and visited, as they >were "reverse" of what they logically should be. Fixed the font used for >the messages .. which greatly improved the italics problem some had noticed. fabulous, i love everything except the visited/unvisited colours it's still *extremely* hard to tell them apart come on, artistic desires notwithstanding, what's really so wrong with having unvisited be a nice robust blue? From michele at wordpro.on.ca Fri Feb 15 08:16:01 2002 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Fri Feb 15 08:16:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] oops .. Archives References: <01c1b627$09b7ba20$a151149a@rudy> Message-ID: <00a401c1b62a$4da7aa80$95aa2642@aci.on.ca> Rudy, ----- Original Message ----- From: "rudy" | | fabulous, i love everything except the visited/unvisited colours | | it's still *extremely* hard to tell them apart | | come on, artistic desires notwithstanding, what's really so wrong with | having unvisited be a nice robust blue? Ok, I played a bit more ... whatcha think? If not .. can ya send me what colour numbers you have in mind? Thanks, Mich From michele at wordpro.on.ca Fri Feb 15 08:18:00 2002 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Fri Feb 15 08:18:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] Archives .. for djc Message-ID: <00ac01c1b62b$5b06b620$95aa2642@aci.on.ca> Dan, I *knew* I was right .... lol Have a look at this page .. http://lists.evolt.org/theforumarchive/Week-of-Mon-20020211/003169.html Notice that you can easily click on the sort option .. i.e. I usually sort by Date, so if I click the Date it goes back to the list. But, the other lists are missing the sort option that you've chosen. Meaning the only way to get back to the list .. well, we all know how to do that. ;) Is it possible for thelist/thesite/admin (and whichever others are missing) to have all four sort options available? Thanks, Mich (now who needs to learn how to use the archives more effectively?? ;) From r937 at interlog.com Fri Feb 15 08:37:03 2002 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Fri Feb 15 08:37:03 2002 Subject: [thesite] oops .. Archives Message-ID: <01c1b62d$7661f7c0$a151149a@rudy> > Ok, I played a bit more ... whatcha think? /evoltprops.css, right? a:link #006699 and a:visited #996666, right? much better thanks michele ;o) From djc at members.evolt.org Fri Feb 15 08:38:01 2002 From: djc at members.evolt.org (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Fri Feb 15 08:38:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] Archives .. for djc In-Reply-To: <00ac01c1b62b$5b06b620$95aa2642@aci.on.ca> Message-ID: this has all four options: http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/2002-February/004992.html as do the latest posts on thelist.. is that what you're talking about? On Fri, 15 Feb 2002, Michele Foster wrote: > > http://lists.evolt.org/theforumarchive/Week-of-Mon-20020211/003169.html > > Notice that you can easily click on the sort option .. i.e. I usually sort > by Date, so if I click the Date it goes back to the list. > > But, the other lists are missing the sort option that you've chosen. > Meaning the only way to get back to the list .. well, we all know how to do > that. ;) > > Is it possible for thelist/thesite/admin (and whichever others are missing) > to have all four sort options available? From michele at wordpro.on.ca Fri Feb 15 08:51:00 2002 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Fri Feb 15 08:51:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] Archives .. for djc References: Message-ID: <00b501c1b62f$32590ee0$95aa2642@aci.on.ca> hmpf *hangs head in shame* ;) Thanks, Mich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel J. Cody" | this has all four options: | http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/2002-February/004992.html | | as do the latest posts on thelist.. is that what you're talking about? | From dmah at shaw.ca Fri Feb 15 10:24:01 2002 From: dmah at shaw.ca (Dean Mah) Date: Fri Feb 15 10:24:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] Archives are broken Message-ID: <200202151547.IAA01383@alice.monkeyland.ca> Missing a closing table tag somewhere. Nothing shows up in NN4.7. I'd change it on the page but it also needs to be changed in the program that generates the archives. Dean From djc at members.evolt.org Fri Feb 15 13:30:00 2002 From: djc at members.evolt.org (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Fri Feb 15 13:30:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] Archives are broken In-Reply-To: <200202151547.IAA01383@alice.monkeyland.ca> Message-ID: cool, thanks got it On Fri, 15 Feb 2002, Dean Mah wrote: > Missing a closing table tag somewhere. Nothing shows up in NN4.7. > I'd change it on the page but it also needs to be changed in the > program that generates the archives. > > Dean > _______________________________________________ > For unsubscribe, archive, and options, go to: > http://lists.evolt.org/mailman/listinfo/thesite > From roselli at earthlink.net Fri Feb 15 22:16:01 2002 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Fri Feb 15 22:16:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] proposed CSS addition Message-ID: <200202152130.g1FLUi8f006183@leo.evolt.org> table.data { border-top : 1px solid #000000 ; border-left : 1px solid #000000 ; } table.data > tr >th { border-right : 1px solid #000000 ; border-bottom : 1px solid #000000 ; } table.data > tr > td { border-right : 1px solid #000000 ; border-bottom : 1px solid #000000 ; } ideally, what this should do is allow people to class a as "data," which then causes it to get a nice grid border... while i abhor the idea of classing any elements within an article, it's better than the alternative, which would be applying it to all tables, which would hose the site... or the alternative alternative (like the other other white meat) could be just to pretend i never mentioned this... anyway, the '> tr > td' is *supposed* to ensure that only a table with a class of "data" has the style assigned to it, and then it also applies to only any s that sit undernear the table with the class of "data" making sense? anyway, demo at: http://roselli.org/evolt/character.asp looks great in Opera 6, not perfect in IE5.5 or N6.2... (btw, this article is *not* approved yet, and needs revision before that happens... please do *not* consider the content of the article when considering the CSS) From elfur at elfur.is Fri Feb 15 22:16:03 2002 From: elfur at elfur.is (Elfur Logadottir) Date: Fri Feb 15 22:16:03 2002 Subject: [thesite] [bug] average rating in the author box on the article page ... Message-ID: <04f901c1b669$7e4b2600$0100a8c0@DWARFS> ... is counting denied articles as well. I have proof :) user: insisaps articles written: 1 (1 published, 1 denied) average rating: 1.65 but the only approved article he has written has the rating of 2.29, and since i know that the denied one was already receiving poor rating, that one is obviously counting ... thanks elfur From michele at wordpro.on.ca Fri Feb 15 22:49:01 2002 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Fri Feb 15 22:49:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] Archives are broken References: <200202151547.IAA01383@alice.monkeyland.ca> Message-ID: <00f601c1b6a0$eaefef20$95aa2642@aci.on.ca> Dan, Can you update this please...
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One of those table tags needs to be moved up. Thanks, Michele ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dean Mah" | Missing a closing table tag somewhere. Nothing shows up in NN4.7. | I'd change it on the page but it also needs to be changed in the | program that generates the archives. From michele at wordpro.on.ca Fri Feb 15 22:49:03 2002 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Fri Feb 15 22:49:03 2002 Subject: [thesite] proposed CSS addition References: <200202152130.g1FLUi8f006183@leo.evolt.org> Message-ID: <010101c1b6a4$f8b52f40$95aa2642@aci.on.ca> Adrian, Why would we want to add something that has so little support? IMHO, if its not working correctly in IE nor NS, then its not worth adding. We'd be better off finding another solution. That said, I don't have opera here, so, I'm not 100% sure what it is you are trying to achieve (and I'm too tired atm to go d/l it ;). Your sample looks rather odd in IE5.5 .. I only see a line at the top of and left side of the table .. makes it look "incomplete" or "in error". Another thing to consider, is it worth adding when very few will ever use it, because they don't know it exists? Bottom line, let's get it working, however it is that you want it to work .. then we'll talk about adding it. Michele (btw, great article .. it's sure to be one I print out for the charts. It's always annoyed me that the w3c didn't display the characters .. thanks :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "aardvark" | | table.data { border-top : 1px solid #000000 ; | border-left : 1px solid #000000 ; } | table.data > tr >th { border-right : 1px solid #000000 ; | border-bottom : 1px solid #000000 ; } | table.data > tr > td { border-right : 1px solid #000000 ; | border-bottom : 1px solid #000000 ; } | | | anyway, demo at: | http://roselli.org/evolt/character.asp | | looks great in Opera 6, not perfect in IE5.5 or N6.2... | | (btw, this article is *not* approved yet, and needs revision before | that happens... please do *not* consider the content of the article | when considering the CSS) From michele at wordpro.on.ca Fri Feb 15 22:49:09 2002 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Fri Feb 15 22:49:09 2002 Subject: [thesite] [bug] average rating in the author box on the article page ... References: <04f901c1b669$7e4b2600$0100a8c0@DWARFS> Message-ID: <010601c1b6a5$367b64c0$95aa2642@aci.on.ca> Elfur, Yeah ... thanks for the reminder. I mentioned this the other day too. I know Jeff's been busy this week... hopefully next week we can get this fixed. Mich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elfur Logadottir" | ... is counting denied articles as well. | I have proof :) | | user: insisaps | articles written: 1 (1 published, 1 denied) | average rating: 1.65 | | but the only approved article he has written has the rating of 2.29, and | since i know that the denied one was already receiving poor rating, that one | is obviously counting ... From roselli at earthlink.net Sat Feb 16 11:08:00 2002 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Sat Feb 16 11:08:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] proposed CSS addition In-Reply-To: <010101c1b6a4$f8b52f40$95aa2642@aci.on.ca> Message-ID: <3C6DCDAC.28138.3A271F79@localhost> > From: "Michele Foster" > > Why would we want to add something that has so little support? IMHO, > if its not working correctly in IE nor NS, then its not worth adding. > We'd be better off finding another solution. because there might be some cases where the user wants a complex table to have gridlines... and it's valid CSS as well... > That said, I don't have opera here, so, I'm not 100% sure what it is > you are trying to achieve (and I'm too tired atm to go d/l it ;). > Your sample looks rather odd in IE5.5 .. I only see a line at the top > of and left side of the table .. makes it look "incomplete" or "in > error". exactly... which is why i've brought it up here as a proposal, not as a "hey, let's add this!" directive... the idea is to make us more forward-compatible... clearly the rendering issues may make all this moot... > Another thing to consider, is it worth adding when very few will ever > use it, because they don't know it exists? it would get added to the style guide... > Bottom line, let's get it working, however it is that you want it to > work .. then we'll talk about adding it. technically, it is working... it's valid CSS and only requires one class... there's nothing to change and i'm not going to hack it or ask authors to hack tables... > (btw, great article .. it's sure to be one I print out for the charts. > It's always annoyed me that the w3c didn't display the characters .. > thanks :) thanks... From roselli at earthlink.net Sat Feb 16 11:08:03 2002 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Sat Feb 16 11:08:03 2002 Subject: [thesite] proposed CSS addition In-Reply-To: <010101c1b6a4$f8b52f40$95aa2642@aci.on.ca> Message-ID: <3C6DCE6F.27313.3A2A16ED@localhost> > From: "Michele Foster" [...] > That said, I don't have opera here, so, I'm not 100% sure what it is > you are trying to achieve (and I'm too tired atm to go d/l it ;). > Your sample looks rather odd in IE5.5 .. I only see a line at the top > of and left side of the table .. makes it look "incomplete" or "in > error". try this: http://roselli.org/adrian/articles/character_charts.asp view with the evolt.org style to see a sample of what i mean... style changer is in the bottom left of the navbar... From r937 at interlog.com Sat Feb 16 11:08:05 2002 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Sat Feb 16 11:08:05 2002 Subject: [thesite] proposed CSS addition Message-ID: <01c1b6ed$59d7bde0$5550149a@rudy> >while i abhor the idea of classing any elements within an article, it's >better than the alternative, which would be applying it to all tables, >which would hose the site... or the alternative alternative (like the >other other white meat) could be just to pretend i never mentioned >this... i like the second of the above options ;o) >http://roselli.org/evolt/character.asp > >looks great in Opera 6, not perfect in IE5.5 or N6.2... looks like isaac's screenshot in win ie5 -- lines sticking up from the blacktabnavbarthingie, lines in the author stats, lines in the search forms... on a related topic, you know how you have Rendered (Character) and Rendered (Numeric) as headings in the character tables? how about splitting that row off as a "stacked" table? then the rest of the table could have its cell widths more free to adjust to their contents, and there'd be less wrapping of the Name column -- right now those two rendered columns have a lot of white space and the Name column wraps a lot, making the whole thing look clunky... rudy From roselli at earthlink.net Sat Feb 16 11:28:00 2002 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Sat Feb 16 11:28:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] proposed CSS addition In-Reply-To: <01c1b6ed$59d7bde0$5550149a@rudy> Message-ID: <3C6E4F61.31672.3C21C901@localhost> > From: "rudy" > > >while i abhor the idea of classing any elements within an article, > >it's better than the alternative, which would be applying it to all > >tables, which would hose the site... or the alternative alternative > >(like the other other white meat) could be just to pretend i never > >mentioned this... > > i like the second of the above options ;o) poo. well, there's three who see egregious rendering problems, not counting me... might as well stuff it... > >http://roselli.org/evolt/character.asp > > > >looks great in Opera 6, not perfect in IE5.5 or N6.2... > > looks like isaac's screenshot in win ie5 -- lines sticking up from the > blacktabnavbarthingie, lines in the author stats, lines in the search > forms... yeah, it cascades up the tree... oh well... i'll save it for a later day... > on a related topic, you know how you have Rendered (Character) and > Rendered (Numeric) as headings in the character tables? how about > splitting that row off as a "stacked" table? then the rest of the > table could have its cell widths more free to adjust to their > contents, and there'd be less wrapping of the Name column -- right now > those two rendered columns have a lot of white space and the Name > column wraps a lot, making the whole thing look clunky... not sure i follow... how do i get the headings to line up with the columns, then? (btw, i just added a 'stealth' style to my site which looks tres cool in IE5.5+/win, only because i make the images stealth, too) From michele at wordpro.on.ca Sat Feb 16 11:28:02 2002 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Sat Feb 16 11:28:02 2002 Subject: [thesite] proposed CSS addition References: <3C6DCE6F.27313.3A2A16ED@localhost> Message-ID: <000a01c1b70f$23d15b80$95aa2642@aci.on.ca> Aard, Well, this looks great .. can we make the tables look like this then? http://roselli.org/adrian/articles/character_charts.asp?CSS=evolt I'm confused .... sorry. If the same above is what you are proposing to add .. then rock on. The sample you sent before looking nothing at all like this. Like I said, I'm confused. ;) Do you have access to teo? Edit the stylesheet directly if ya want. Or you can find all the current CSS files at http://members.evolt.org/Mishka/Styles/index.html. Just let me know what you change so I can make sure the other files get updated. Please add comments to the top. Mich ----- Original Message ----- From: "aardvark" | > From: "Michele Foster" | [...] | > That said, I don't have opera here, so, I'm not 100% sure what it is | > you are trying to achieve (and I'm too tired atm to go d/l it ;). | > Your sample looks rather odd in IE5.5 .. I only see a line at the top | > of and left side of the table .. makes it look "incomplete" or "in | > error". | | try this: | http://roselli.org/adrian/articles/character_charts.asp | | view with the evolt.org style to see a sample of what i mean... style | changer is in the bottom left of the navbar... From michele at wordpro.on.ca Sat Feb 16 11:37:01 2002 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Sat Feb 16 11:37:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] Stop holding ?? Message-ID: <001601c1b710$79e512e0$95aa2642@aci.on.ca> Dan, Can we stop holding posts for this list? It's rather annoying .... ;) I think we can handle the few pieces of crap that might come through .. tho I haven't seen any in the queue since we shut this list down. btw .. where *IS* that option to hold or not hold messages for approval?? I can't find it .. :( Mich From roselli at earthlink.net Sat Feb 16 11:51:01 2002 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Sat Feb 16 11:51:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] proposed CSS addition In-Reply-To: <000a01c1b70f$23d15b80$95aa2642@aci.on.ca> Message-ID: <3C6E524B.29237.3C2D2B3C@localhost> > From: "Michele Foster" > > Well, this looks great .. can we make the tables look like this then? > > http://roselli.org/adrian/articles/character_charts.asp?CSS=evolt that was the idea -- same code and all... > I'm confused .... sorry. > > If the same above is what you are proposing to add .. then rock on. > > The sample you sent before looking nothing at all like this. > > Like I said, I'm confused. ;) that's because my CSS is very simple, compared to evolt.org's, and my code pages have no tables for layout, which also makes it simpler... there doesn't seem to be a way to get the grid on the evolt.org site and *not* have it affect the other tables in some browsers... > Do you have access to teo? Edit the stylesheet directly if ya want. > Or you can find all the current CSS files at > http://members.evolt.org/Mishka/Styles/index.html. Just let me know > what you change so I can make sure the other files get updated. > Please add comments to the top. no longer have access... but it doesn't look like it will help anyway... ok, gotta go to work now... From r937 at interlog.com Sat Feb 16 12:32:01 2002 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Sat Feb 16 12:32:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] proposed CSS addition Message-ID: <01c1b714$8b1199e0$5550149a@rudy> >yeah, it cascades up the tree... oh well... i'll save it for a later day... in your test, you used , right? now, why do you suppose this cascaded up the tree? a bug, shurely try some other css specification, such as .data instead of table.data #data instead of table.data a not-as-likely-a-keyword instead of "data" From djc at members.evolt.org Sat Feb 16 13:33:00 2002 From: djc at members.evolt.org (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Sat Feb 16 13:33:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] Stop holding ?? In-Reply-To: <001601c1b710$79e512e0$95aa2642@aci.on.ca> Message-ID: ya, thats cool with me, i can handle the spam, just didn't want others to get to annoyed :) its under the privacy options link, "Must posts be approved by an administrator?" for future reference :) On Sat, 16 Feb 2002, Michele Foster wrote: > Dan, > > Can we stop holding posts for this list? It's rather annoying .... ;) I > think we can handle the few pieces of crap that might come through .. tho I > haven't seen any in the queue since we shut this list down. > > btw .. where *IS* that option to hold or not hold messages for approval?? I > can't find it .. :( > > Mich > > > _______________________________________________ > For unsubscribe, archive, and options, go to: > http://lists.evolt.org/mailman/listinfo/thesite > From djc at members.evolt.org Sat Feb 16 13:34:00 2002 From: djc at members.evolt.org (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Sat Feb 16 13:34:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] Archives are broken In-Reply-To: <00f601c1b6a0$eaefef20$95aa2642@aci.on.ca> Message-ID: hows it look now? On Fri, 15 Feb 2002, Michele Foster wrote: > Dan, > > Can you update this please... > > > > > > > > >
> > > > One of those table tags needs to be moved up. > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > Michele > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dean Mah" > > > | Missing a closing table tag somewhere. Nothing shows up in NN4.7. > | I'd change it on the page but it also needs to be changed in the > | program that generates the archives. > > > _______________________________________________ > For unsubscribe, archive, and options, go to: > http://lists.evolt.org/mailman/listinfo/thesite > From roselli at earthlink.net Sat Feb 16 16:45:00 2002 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Sat Feb 16 16:45:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] proposed CSS addition In-Reply-To: <01c1b714$8b1199e0$5550149a@rudy> Message-ID: <3C6E9A2F.28512.3D45FCB3@localhost> > From: "rudy" > > >yeah, it cascades up the tree... oh well... i'll save it for a later > day... > > in your test, you used , right? correct. > now, why do you suppose this cascaded up the tree? > > a bug, shurely dunno... probably a bug since it only happens in one browser and the more standards-compliant ones don't do it... > try some other css specification, such as > > .data instead of table.data hafta try that... i dinna want everybody using the data class for something other than its intended goal, however... > #data instead of table.data can't do that... there may be more than one table of data on a page... using an ID of data would prevent more than one table from being styled... > a not-as-likely-a-keyword instead of "data" doubt that's it, but worth a shot... From ahbbcom at sina.com Sun Feb 17 10:37:01 2002 From: ahbbcom at sina.com (ahbbcom at sina.com) Date: Sun Feb 17 10:37:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] =?GB2312?B?w7/M7LK7tb3O5b3Hx66jrNO109DT8sP7oaLN+NW+oaLTyr7W?= Message-ID: <200202171636.g1HGai8g024726@leo.evolt.org> [ Converted text/html to text/plain ] From jeff at members.evolt.org Sun Feb 17 12:43:01 2002 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff) Date: Sun Feb 17 12:43:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] proposed CSS addition In-Reply-To: <200202152130.g1FLUi8f006183@leo.evolt.org> Message-ID: adrian, ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > From: aardvark > > table.data { border-top : 1px solid #000000 ; > border-left : 1px solid #000000 ; } > table.data > tr >th { border-right : 1px solid #000000 ; > border-bottom : 1px solid #000000 ; } > table.data > tr > td { border-right : 1px solid #000000 ; > border-bottom : 1px solid #000000 ; } > > [snip] > > anyway, the '> tr > td' is *supposed* to ensure that only > a table with a class of "data" has the style assigned to > it, and then it also applies to only any s that sit undernear the table with the class of "data" > > [snip[ > > looks great in Opera 6, not perfect in IE5.5 or N6.2... ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< try this instead: table.data { border-top: 1px solid #000000; border-right: 0px; border-bottom: 0px; border-left: 1px solid #000000; } table.data th { border-top: 0px; border-right: 1px solid #000000; border-bottom: 1px solid #000000; border-left: 0px; } table.data td { border-top: 0px; border-right: 1px solid #000000; border-bottom: 1px solid #000000; border-left: 0px; } additionally, make sure to set "cellspacing" to 0 on the tables with the class of "data" assigned to them. thanks, .jeff http://evolt.org/ jeff at members.evolt.org http://members.evolt.org/jeff/ From tiedefenderdelta6 at yahoo.com Mon Feb 18 02:39:01 2002 From: tiedefenderdelta6 at yahoo.com (Lachlan Cannon) Date: Mon Feb 18 02:39:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] Slight discrepancy Message-ID: <20020218083928.23622.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com> The meo front page lists evolt as having PHP version 4.0.6. the faq page lists evolt as having PHP version 4.1.1. Anyone wanna jump in and fix it? Lach __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From djc at members.evolt.org Mon Feb 18 08:44:00 2002 From: djc at members.evolt.org (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Mon Feb 18 08:44:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] Slight discrepancy In-Reply-To: <20020218083928.23622.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: good eye, fixed On Mon, 18 Feb 2002, Lachlan Cannon wrote: > The meo front page lists evolt as having PHP version 4.0.6. > the faq page lists evolt as having PHP version 4.1.1. > Anyone wanna jump in and fix it? > > Lach > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games > http://sports.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > For unsubscribe, archive, and options, go to: > http://lists.evolt.org/mailman/listinfo/thesite > From mwarden at mattwarden.com Mon Feb 18 10:21:00 2002 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Mon Feb 18 10:21:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] holy infinite loop, batman! Message-ID: http://lists.evolt.org/theforumarchive/Week-of-Mon-20020218/date.html (hopefully no one will post to theforum before you read this) that page doesn't exist and throws me into an infinite loop not a big deal because probably no one but me navigates to the admin archives, then replaces "admin" with "totc" to visit this week's totc archives, and then replaces "totc" with "theforum" to visit the latest theforum archives. just wanted to point it out in case it's a quick fix. thanks, -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From r937 at interlog.com Mon Feb 18 10:34:00 2002 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Mon Feb 18 10:34:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] holy infinite loop, batman! Message-ID: <01c1b89a$388e2a80$c551149a@rudy> >not a big deal because probably no one but me navigates to the admin >archives, then replaces "admin" with "totc" to visit this week's totc >archives, and then replaces "totc" with "theforum" to visit the latest >theforum archives. i do that all the time on my cable internet connection never had an infinite loop, though rudy From djc at members.evolt.org Mon Feb 18 15:59:00 2002 From: djc at members.evolt.org (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Mon Feb 18 15:59:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] suggestion Message-ID: can the length limit for the title of an article be increased from 50? although i understand why it should be short, it's limiting to the author. if something way overdone comes in, it can be handled by the editing team just like the rest of the article. .djc. From ahbbcom at sina.com Tue Feb 19 12:00:01 2002 From: ahbbcom at sina.com (ahbbcom at sina.com) Date: Tue Feb 19 12:00:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] (no subject) Message-ID: <200202191759.g1JHxq8g030282@leo.evolt.org> [ Converted text/html to text/plain ] From wzx888 at btamail.net.cn Wed Feb 20 03:07:01 2002 From: wzx888 at btamail.net.cn (wzx888 at btamail.net.cn) Date: Wed Feb 20 03:07:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] QQÔÚÏßͼÐÎÁôÑÔ Message-ID: <200202200906.g1K96B8f021618@leo.evolt.org> [ Converted text/html to text/plain ] QQ???????????? http://www.WhereYou.com/china/qq[1] ?????????? ??????????????????????????????????2000??????????????????????????????????????QQ??ICQ??Tomq?????????????????????????????????????? ?????????? ???????????????? http://www.WhereYou.com/china/qq[2] ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? >>> ??????????[3] (image)[4] ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??????????????????????SMTP???????????????????????????????? ????????????????????????????????????http://www.seekeasysoft.net[5] ===References:=== 1. http://www.whereyou.com/china/qq/list.asp 2. http://www.whereyou.com/china/qq/list.asp 3. http://www.whereyou.com/china/qq/list.asp 4. http://www.whereyou.com/china/qq/list.asp 5. http://www.seekeasysoft.net From roselli at earthlink.net Wed Feb 20 10:29:02 2002 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Wed Feb 20 10:29:02 2002 Subject: [thesite] top 10 usability challenges Message-ID: <200202201628.g1KGSG8f004833@leo.evolt.org> [ Converted text/enriched to text/plain ] forwarded from admin... > At 07:28 PM 2/19/2002, aardvark wrote: > >can y'all gimme some insight into what you might think the top 10 > >usability challenges were for the old site as well as the new site? looking for things fixed or un-fixed... the things that are issues to the user, not to the developers... creating a list for publication out of this, and while i already have my own idea, i'm obviously prone to being restrictive in my perspective... so pony up ideas, folks... From michele at wordpro.on.ca Wed Feb 20 20:00:00 2002 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Wed Feb 20 20:00:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] proposed CSS addition References: Message-ID: <00d701c1ba7b$93f2ef40$95aa2642@aci.on.ca> Nice solution Jeff ... Sample at: http://test.evolt.org/article/Testing_Table_Lines/18/17661/index.html Works well in NS6.2 and IE5.5 (Win) .. NS4.7 ignores the lines .. then again it ignores all our lines. The cellspacing *does* need to be set to "0" .. as Jeff indicated .. I added a cellpadding too, as it was too cramped for my liking .. not sure if we can solve either of these via CSS or not. Can we get some other testers please .. if anyone sees the above sample as being a major mess .. let me know. I notice Rudy shortened the two columns .. it does look good that way too. That I'll leave up to Adrian to decide if he wants to edit his article on the live site or not. Thanks, Michele ----- Original Message ----- From: ".jeff" | | try this instead: | | table.data { | border-top: 1px solid #000000; | border-right: 0px; | border-bottom: 0px; | border-left: 1px solid #000000; | | } | | table.data th { | border-top: 0px; | border-right: 1px solid #000000; | border-bottom: 1px solid #000000; | border-left: 0px; | } | | table.data td { | border-top: 0px; | border-right: 1px solid #000000; | border-bottom: 1px solid #000000; | border-left: 0px; | } | | additionally, make sure to set "cellspacing" to 0 on the tables with the | class of "data" assigned to them. | From jeff at members.evolt.org Wed Feb 20 20:24:00 2002 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff) Date: Wed Feb 20 20:24:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] proposed CSS addition In-Reply-To: <00d701c1ba7b$93f2ef40$95aa2642@aci.on.ca> Message-ID: michele, ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > From: Michele Foster > > Nice solution Jeff ... ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< thanks ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > The cellspacing *does* need to be set to "0" .. as Jeff > indicated .. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< yup, otherwise you end up with some nasty gaps between ends of lines that should meet. the alternative would be to add a border-collapse property to the table declaration with a value of collapse: border-collapse: collapse; doing this we could eliminate the border declarations for the table and do a composite border declaration for th and td, yet end up with a data grid with only single pixel borders between cells. border: 1px solid #000000; instead of setting border-right and border-bottom to 1px and border-top and border-left to 0px. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > I added a cellpadding too, as it was too cramped for my > liking .. not sure if we can solve either of these via > CSS or not. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< yes, i think we can solve it by using the padding property on the th and td declarations. padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px; thanks, .jeff http://evolt.org/ jeff at members.evolt.org http://members.evolt.org/jeff/ From michele at wordpro.on.ca Wed Feb 20 21:00:00 2002 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Wed Feb 20 21:00:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] proposed CSS addition References: Message-ID: <00e601c1ba83$ffca1380$95aa2642@aci.on.ca> Ok this is what I tried ... table.data { border-collapse: collapse; } table.data th { border: 1px solid #000000; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px; } table.data td { border: 1px solid #000000; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px; } NS6.2 isn't happy tho .. I had originally tried it without any cellspacing declaration within the table .. NS was adding a border around each individual cell .. looked rather interesting actually .. but not what we'd want. So, I put in cellspacing="0" and then it doubles the inside lines (which is what I expected it to do). I reversed it back now ;) The solution you proposed before seems to have more support. Anyone else have any other ideas ? btw, "composite border declaration" ?? What's that mean ? Mich | ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< | > The cellspacing *does* need to be set to "0" .. as Jeff | > indicated .. | ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< | | yup, otherwise you end up with some nasty gaps between ends of lines that | should meet. | | the alternative would be to add a border-collapse property to the table | declaration with a value of collapse: | | border-collapse: collapse; | | doing this we could eliminate the border declarations for the table and do a | composite border declaration for th and td, yet end up with a data grid with | only single pixel borders between cells. | | border: 1px solid #000000; | | instead of setting border-right and border-bottom to 1px and border-top and | border-left to 0px. | | ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< | > I added a cellpadding too, as it was too cramped for my | > liking .. not sure if we can solve either of these via | > CSS or not. | ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< | | yes, i think we can solve it by using the padding property on the th and td | declarations. | | padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px; | From jeff at members.evolt.org Wed Feb 20 21:38:00 2002 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff) Date: Wed Feb 20 21:38:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] proposed CSS addition In-Reply-To: <00e601c1ba83$ffca1380$95aa2642@aci.on.ca> Message-ID: michele, ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > From: Michele Foster > > The solution you proposed before seems to have more > support. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< ok, i'm cool with that. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > btw, "composite border declaration" ?? What's that mean ? ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< border: 1px solid #000000; rather than: border-top: 0px; border-right: 1px solid #000000; border-bottom: 1px solid #000000; border-left: 0px; i called it a composite declaration because it's width, style, and color for all four sides in one declaration. .jeff http://evolt.org/ jeff at members.evolt.org http://members.evolt.org/jeff/ From djc at members.evolt.org Wed Feb 20 23:41:01 2002 From: djc at members.evolt.org (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Wed Feb 20 23:41:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] proposed CSS addition In-Reply-To: <00d701c1ba7b$93f2ef40$95aa2642@aci.on.ca> Message-ID: everything looks normal in moz 0.9.8 on windows, although i'm not entirely sure what i'm looking for :) i'm also using one of the custom css files, so that may be hosing something.. anywho :) On Wed, 20 Feb 2002, Michele Foster wrote: > > Sample at: > http://test.evolt.org/article/Testing_Table_Lines/18/17661/index.html > > Works well in NS6.2 and IE5.5 (Win) .. NS4.7 ignores the lines .. then again > it ignores all our lines. The cellspacing *does* need to be set to "0" .. > as Jeff indicated .. I added a cellpadding too, as it was too cramped for my > liking .. not sure if we can solve either of these via CSS or not. > > Can we get some other testers please .. if anyone sees the above sample as > being a major mess .. let me know. From michele at wordpro.on.ca Wed Feb 20 23:44:01 2002 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Wed Feb 20 23:44:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] proposed CSS addition References: Message-ID: <010201c1ba9a$f764e8c0$95aa2642@aci.on.ca> Just updating the custom files now Dan .. everything should be fine in 10 mins or so. Anyway, what you're looking at would be this article, http://test.evolt.org/article/Testing_Table_Lines/18/17661/index.html Specifically, the table lines that are around the table/data/chart .. and the font size is readable now .. (can't remember if Moz was acting up or if it was just NS) Mich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel J. Cody" | | everything looks normal in moz 0.9.8 on windows, although i'm not entirely | sure what i'm looking for :) | | i'm also using one of the custom css files, so that may be hosing | something.. From michele at wordpro.on.ca Thu Feb 21 00:33:01 2002 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Thu Feb 21 00:33:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] Some Stuff to do ... Message-ID: <012701c1baa1$b705dbc0$95aa2642@aci.on.ca> Just so I don't forget .. and I've got too many messages in my mail box ;) Jeff, * Fix the search to handle "info, information, inf" as text searches. * Restore textarea boxes. * Author's ratings - only approved articles. * Delete and/or disallow ratings in the following categories: FAQ, Jobs, News, Community News and Suggestions (may be better to deal with this after the cat types has been done??). * Ratings bar. Rudy, * Determine best approach for category types. Here's the documentation backup that I put together: http://members.evolt.org/Mishka/Words/cattypes.htm. (Note, proposed, is now good to go - see above under Jeff.) Dan, * Create new list theHeadlines. See this thread on thesite for more info: http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/2002-February/004910.html. Coordinate with Jeff for changes to weo submission page. Thanks guys!! Michele From michele at wordpro.on.ca Thu Feb 21 10:30:16 2002 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Thu Feb 21 10:30:16 2002 Subject: [thesite] CSS Changes ... Message-ID: <017f01c1baf3$c4672d80$95aa2642@aci.on.ca> Hey folks ..... All of the CSS files have been updated to include the new class for styling table data. Also fixed (changed) was code, pre and .code in that the font was changed from 10px to 100%. This was to solve a problem in NS6.2 (maybe Moz?) which was rendering all code snippets *very* small (7 px my guess). Adrian, I updated the editor's guideline to include the following: For tables of data, or to increase readability, tables can be styled as such: <table class="data" cellspacing="0">. This will apply a 1 px border around and in between each table cell. Can you update your Code Style Guide too, please? Feel free to modify the above as you want. Dan/Dean, can one of you roll all of the CSS files in /evolt/style/*.css up to production please, when you have a chance. Holler if anyone has questions or comments.. Thanks, Michele (p.s. Do CSS changes need to be recorded in the changelog? Comments were added to the CSS files to indicate what was changed and why.) From roselli at earthlink.net Thu Feb 21 10:55:01 2002 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Thu Feb 21 10:55:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] CSS Changes ... In-Reply-To: <017f01c1baf3$c4672d80$95aa2642@aci.on.ca> Message-ID: <200202211654.g1LGsO8f018882@leo.evolt.org> > From: "Michele Foster" > > All of the CSS files have been updated to include the new class for > styling table data. Also fixed (changed) was code, pre and .code in > that the font was changed from 10px to 100%. This was to solve a > problem in NS6.2 (maybe Moz?) which was rendering all code snippets > *very* small (7 px my guess). tested, i assume? > Can you update your Code Style Guide too, please? Feel free to modify > the above as you want. been waiting to... later, though... From djc at members.evolt.org Thu Feb 21 23:38:01 2002 From: djc at members.evolt.org (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Thu Feb 21 23:38:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] css changes Message-ID: http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/2002-February/005032.html done. .djc. (who just noticed there are *125* people on this list) From gnarly at gmx.co.uk Fri Feb 22 09:29:00 2002 From: gnarly at gmx.co.uk (Olly Hodgson) Date: Fri Feb 22 09:29:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] Error Message-ID: <023201c1bbb5$c5cd5f10$6700a8c0@Comp1> I was pimping thelist, and went to http://lists.evolt.org/thelist/ to make sure I had the right URL. I got this huge error back - something to do with the current network problems or a site error? Error Occurred While Processing Request Error Diagnostic Information An error occurred while evaluating the expression: url.action is 'jackson' Error near line 188, column 22. Error resolving parameter URL.ACTION The specified URL parameter cannot be found. This problem is very likely due to the fact that you have misspelled the parameter name. The error occurred while processing an element with a general identifier of (CFELSEIF), occupying document position (188:2) to (188:35) in the template file /home/evolt/leo_html/thelist/index.cfm. Date/Time: Fri Feb 22 09:25:56 2002 Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows NT 5.0) Remote Address: 62.255.32.5 Olly From djc at members.evolt.org Fri Feb 22 10:00:01 2002 From: djc at members.evolt.org (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Fri Feb 22 10:00:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] Error In-Reply-To: <023201c1bbb5$c5cd5f10$6700a8c0@Comp1> Message-ID: http://lists.evolt.org/mailman/listinfo/thelist is the general URL for thelist :) On Fri, 22 Feb 2002, Olly Hodgson wrote: > I was pimping thelist, and went to http://lists.evolt.org/thelist/ to make > sure I had the right URL. > > I got this huge error back - something to do with the current network > problems or a site error? > > > > Error Occurred While Processing Request > Error Diagnostic Information > An error occurred while evaluating the expression: > url.action is 'jackson' > > Error near line 188, column 22. > > Error resolving parameter URL.ACTION > The specified URL parameter cannot be found. This problem is very likely due > to the fact that you have misspelled the parameter name. > The error occurred while processing an element with a general identifier of > (CFELSEIF), occupying document position (188:2) to (188:35) in the template > file /home/evolt/leo_html/thelist/index.cfm. > Date/Time: Fri Feb 22 09:25:56 2002 > Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows NT 5.0) > Remote Address: 62.255.32.5 > > > > Olly > > _______________________________________________ > For unsubscribe, archive, and options, go to: > http://lists.evolt.org/mailman/listinfo/thesite > From gnarly at punkass.com Fri Feb 22 11:16:03 2002 From: gnarly at punkass.com (Olly) Date: Fri Feb 22 11:16:03 2002 Subject: [thesite] Error References: Message-ID: <001701c1bbbb$d29122d0$6700a8c0@Comp1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel J. Cody" Subject: Re: [thesite] Error > http://lists.evolt.org/mailman/listinfo/thelist is the general URL for > thelist :) Buggrit :-) Still, perhaps that URL could be set to redirect to thelist, or at least produce a 404 instead of a BIG scary error. Cheers, Olly. From gnarly at punkass.com Fri Feb 22 11:25:01 2002 From: gnarly at punkass.com (Olly) Date: Fri Feb 22 11:25:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] Error References: <023201c1bbb5$c5cd5f10$6700a8c0@Comp1> Message-ID: <024e01c1bbb6$4fd18e20$6700a8c0@Comp1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Olly Hodgson" Subject: [thesite] Error > I was pimping thelist, and went to http://lists.evolt.org/thelist/ to make > sure I had the right URL. Or perhaps I'd have been better off looking at http://lists.evolt.org/index.cfm/a/listinfo :-/ Still, that error was pretty scary. Olly. From djc at members.evolt.org Fri Feb 22 16:52:02 2002 From: djc at members.evolt.org (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Fri Feb 22 16:52:02 2002 Subject: [thesite] Error In-Reply-To: <001701c1bbbb$d29122d0$6700a8c0@Comp1> Message-ID: good suggestion, i'll put it on my list :) On Fri, 22 Feb 2002, Olly wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Daniel J. Cody" > Subject: Re: [thesite] Error > > > > http://lists.evolt.org/mailman/listinfo/thelist is the general URL for > > thelist :) > > Buggrit :-) > > Still, perhaps that URL could be set to redirect to thelist, or at least > produce a 404 instead of a BIG scary error. > > Cheers, > > Olly. > > > _______________________________________________ > For unsubscribe, archive, and options, go to: > http://lists.evolt.org/mailman/listinfo/thesite > From yhm1680127 at sina.com.cn Fri Feb 22 18:04:00 2002 From: yhm1680127 at sina.com.cn (üSíÌ´aì) Date: Fri Feb 22 18:04:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] »ÆÒ³ºÅÂë¿â£¬×£ÄúÂíÄêÂíµ½³É¹¦£¡ Message-ID: <200202230003.g1N03b8f002028@leo.evolt.org> ??????????/?????? ?????? ?????@?????????????????????????????????r?g???????????h???????r?????t???? ???????????????c?r?g???????????????????????I?_?????????????? ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????2002??3??15???????????????????????S?????a???? ???S?????a?????????????????????????I???????C?P?F?w???????????Y??????????114?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????a???????P?I???????I?????????????????????????????????? ???S?????a???????????????????????????????????????????????????I?K??"????????"???????????????????????_?? ???S?????a?????????????????????S?????a???M?????W?????w???????????S?????a???????????^?S?????a???????????I???????????w???????S?????a?????????????????????c?????C?????????? ???S?????a????????????????????????????????,???????????????? http://www.china168.com ?? ?????????????????????????? ?? ?????????????f??????,?????????????? ?????????????????????? ???????????????????????????? ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????380??????????????100%???????? ???????????????????? ??????????????500?????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????http://love2net.51.net/???????????????????????????????? ---------------------------------------------------- INFORMATION This message has been sent using a trial-run version of the TSmtpRelayServer Delphi Component. ---------------------------------------------------- From djc at members.evolt.org Sat Feb 23 18:08:01 2002 From: djc at members.evolt.org (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Sat Feb 23 18:08:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] test In-Reply-To: <200202230003.g1N03b8f002028@leo.evolt.org> Message-ID: test From djc at members.evolt.org Sat Feb 23 18:10:00 2002 From: djc at members.evolt.org (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Sat Feb 23 18:10:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] test In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 23 Feb 2002, Daniel J. Cody wrote: > test > > _______________________________________________ > For unsubscribe, archive, and options, go to: > http://lists.evolt.org/mailman/listinfo/thesite > From jeff at members.evolt.org Sat Feb 23 20:01:00 2002 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff) Date: Sat Feb 23 20:01:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] Some Stuff to do ... In-Reply-To: <012701c1baa1$b705dbc0$95aa2642@aci.on.ca> Message-ID: michele, ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > From: Michele Foster > > * Fix the search to handle "info, information, inf" as > text searches. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< fixed. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > * Restore textarea boxes. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< done. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > * Author's ratings - only approved articles. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< fixed. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > * Delete and/or disallow ratings in the following > categories: FAQ, Jobs, News, Community News and > Suggestions (may be better to deal with this after > the cat types has been done??). ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< will address that in the future. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > * Ratings bar. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< still not sure how i'm going to do the coldfusion for that. thanks, .jeff http://evolt.org/ jeff at members.evolt.org http://members.evolt.org/jeff/ From business1 at tangfeng.org Sat Feb 23 23:09:01 2002 From: business1 at tangfeng.org (T&F) Date: Sat Feb 23 23:09:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] A professional company providing credit & status report of Chinese company. 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NOTE TO DAN dan, if and when you see this, can you please privately email me the instructions for getting to the test.evolt.org database (starting with which server to connect to -- i'm still using putty) i tried about a week ago and got into the production database okay, but all the notes i had about the test database didn't work thanks rudy From dmah at shaw.ca Mon Feb 25 14:25:01 2002 From: dmah at shaw.ca (Dean Mah) Date: Mon Feb 25 14:25:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] searching an oracle LONG column In-Reply-To: <001801c1be36$0dd10c80$a0466718@cr293583a> from "rudy" at Feb 25, 2002 01:12:05 PM Message-ID: <200202252027.NAA02554@alice.monkeyland.ca> Sure, if 2000 characters is good enough. The other option is to write the function so that it takes the search string as well and iterates through the LONG looking for matches. Dean rudy writes: > found this while researching something else > > "You are limited to searching the first 2000 characters of the long > column, but this is often good enough." > > http://www.arrowsent.com/oratip/tip23.htm > > can we use this to search articles by more than title and synopsis? From ben_dyer at imaginuity.com Wed Feb 27 10:34:01 2002 From: ben_dyer at imaginuity.com (Ben Dyer) Date: Wed Feb 27 10:34:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] Now there's something you don't see everyday... Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020227103130.0471e990@mail.imaginuity.com> At the bottom...looks like it's interpreting the marquee tag. :) --Ben Ben Dyer, Senior Internet Developer, Imaginuity Interactive http://www.imaginuity.com/ If you save the world too often, it begins to expect it. ----------------------------------------------------------------- http://members.evolt.org/OKolzig37/ http://www.evolt.org/ From roselli at earthlink.net Wed Feb 27 11:22:12 2002 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Wed Feb 27 11:22:12 2002 Subject: [thesite] Now there's something you don't see everyday... In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020227103130.0471e990@mail.imaginuity.com> Message-ID: <200202271721.g1RHL9vT023043@leo.evolt.org> > From: Ben Dyer > > > > At the bottom...looks like it's interpreting the marquee tag. :) rotflmao!! egad, that's twice this month i've busted the archives... dan, i am *so* sorry... we'll look into it, folks... From mwarden at mattwarden.com Wed Feb 27 11:27:01 2002 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Wed Feb 27 11:27:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] Now there's something you don't see everyday... In-Reply-To: <200202271721.g1RHL9vT023043@leo.evolt.org> Message-ID: On Feb 27, aardvark had something to say about Re: [thesite] Now there's... >> From: Ben Dyer >> >> >> >> At the bottom...looks like it's interpreting the tag. :) > >rotflmao!! > >egad, that's twice this month i've busted the archives... > >dan, i am *so* sorry... > >we'll look into it, folks... dude, i want that effect for the weo 4/01 gag this year. just have the whole friggin page scroll in a marquee. and blink. -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From mccreath at ak.net Wed Feb 27 11:28:00 2002 From: mccreath at ak.net (David McCreath) Date: Wed Feb 27 11:28:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] Now there's something you don't see everyday... References: <200202271721.g1RHL9vT023043@leo.evolt.org> Message-ID: <3C7D16EC.1030503@ak.net> If you sort by author instead of thread, you get a much larger marquee. Quite amusing. Wasn't the last hiccup also due to a tag in the subject? If you go to aard's message, the tag isn't parsed. Not that you guys haven't noticed the patter, but it's only 8:26 here and I just got my first cup of coffee ... zzzzzzzz david aardvark wrote: >>From: Ben Dyer >> >> >> >>At the bottom...looks like it's interpreting the tag. :) >> > > rotflmao!! > > egad, that's twice this month i've busted the archives... > > dan, i am *so* sorry... > > we'll look into it, folks... From djc at members.evolt.org Wed Feb 27 11:28:08 2002 From: djc at members.evolt.org (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Wed Feb 27 11:28:08 2002 Subject: [thesite] Now there's something you don't see everyday... In-Reply-To: <200202271721.g1RHL9vT023043@leo.evolt.org> Message-ID: thanks for the heads up ben! looks like i was escaping html in the posts themsleves, but not the index files.. np aard ;) On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, aardvark wrote: > > From: Ben Dyer > > > > > > > > At the bottom...looks like it's interpreting the tag. :) > > rotflmao!! > > egad, that's twice this month i've busted the archives... > > dan, i am *so* sorry... > > we'll look into it, folks... From djc at members.evolt.org Wed Feb 27 11:48:00 2002 From: djc at members.evolt.org (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Wed Feb 27 11:48:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] Re: [Theforum] In-Reply-To: <200202271745.g1RHjMMq024566@leo.evolt.org> Message-ID: ok, fixed now.. thanks again for the heads up On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, root wrote: >
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