At 09:24 PM 1/30/2002, you typed: >test.evolt.org and food.evolt.org are back up and working properly. just >had to give oracle a kick in the butt... Sounds like an interesting start for a tutorial on working with Oracle. ;-) Although I'm not a programmer, I have a feeling that many would enjoy hearing the specifics of your kicking technique. Warmly, Shirley -- Shirley E. Kaiser, M.A., SKDesigns mailto:skaiser1 at skdesigns.com Web Site Design, Development http://www.skdesigns.com/ WebsiteTips: Design Resources http://www.websitetips.com/ Brainstorms and Raves http://www.brainstormsandraves.com/