From test at sohu.com Wed May 1 00:33:04 2002 From: test at sohu.com (richard) Date: Wed May 1 00:33:04 2002 Subject: [thesite] test Message-ID: <200205010532.g415WwwC011754@leo.evolt.org> [ Converted text/html to text/plain ] test From seb at members.evolt.org Wed May 1 01:28:00 2002 From: seb at members.evolt.org (Seb) Date: Wed May 1 01:28:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] What do you want to do ? In-Reply-To: <3CCF30EB.8106.FC50F4BF@localhost> References: <3CCF670B.7040409@members.evolt.org> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020501072133.01ed6d48@members.evolt.org> At 05:03 01/05/2002, you wrote: > > From: "Daniel J. Cody" > > > > i'd dream of python, but there are a limited number of people on > > thesite who know that.. php was brought up while william and i were > > informally discussing it because it has excellent integration with the > > os and filesystem, among other things. > >ok, i think i'd rather go with PHP, because i can do it, and Python >is too much more to add to my brain and not forget something like my >address... I pump Python, maybe 12 hours a day sometimes. I also push PHP, je parle Perl, and occasionally pimp Postgres. I'd love to do something in Python (like, if phpgroupware turns out to suck, which it kinda looks like from a stability point of view), maybe using Zope as groupware, which it's pretty capable of handling with some minor development. (Minor development of the kind I'll be doing in exchange for real money in a couple of weeks.) Just thoughts. I've been pouring over the source for phpgroupware for about 8 hours, as well as getting in some quality MOH fragging, so I'm off to sleep for a bit. I just wish it wasn't 7.30am. Seb. From isaac at members.evolt.org Wed May 1 01:34:00 2002 From: isaac at members.evolt.org (isaac) Date: Wed May 1 01:34:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] What do you want to do ? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020501072133.01ed6d48@members.evolt.org> Message-ID: > I pump Python, maybe 12 hours a day sometimes. Do you pump Python as much as this guy pumps CAD? http://coroflot.com/public/public_job_seeker_details.asp?job_seeker_id=6719 From lindsay at redsquare.com.au Wed May 1 01:39:00 2002 From: lindsay at redsquare.com.au (Lindsay Evans) Date: Wed May 1 01:39:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] What do you want to do ? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020501072133.01ed6d48@members.evolt.org> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org > [mailto:thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Seb > Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:28 PM > To: thesite at lists.evolt.org > Subject: Re: [thesite] What do you want to do ? > > > At 05:03 01/05/2002, you wrote: > > > From: "Daniel J. Cody" > > > > > > i'd dream of python, but there are a limited number of people on > > > thesite who know that.. php was brought up while william and i were > > > informally discussing it because it has excellent integration with the > > > os and filesystem, among other things. > > > >ok, i think i'd rather go with PHP, because i can do it, and Python > >is too much more to add to my brain and not forget something like my > >address... > > I pump Python, maybe 12 hours a day sometimes. > > I also push PHP, je parle Perl, and occasionally pimp Postgres. Just to be a pain in the ass, I'd prefer JSP. What were we talking about again? I've just hit a bit of a dead spot here at work, so anything I can do to help, I will. Relevant skills 'n stuff: CF4/5/MX Flash4/5/MX (ActionScript) some Perl some C++ PHP4 JSP (on WebLogic) ASP HTML JS CSS XML XSLT I've also been known to dabble in databases (oracle, mysql, ms sql server), design, IA and tequila drinking -- Lindsay Evans. Developer, Red Square Productions. [p] 8596.4000 [f] 8596.4001 [w] www.redsquare.com.au From seb at members.evolt.org Wed May 1 01:49:01 2002 From: seb at members.evolt.org (Seb) Date: Wed May 1 01:49:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] What do you want to do ? In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020501072133.01ed6d48@members.evolt.org> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020501074251.020551b8@members.evolt.org> >I've just hit a bit of a dead spot here at work, so anything I can do to >help, I will. > >Relevant skills 'n stuff: > >CF4/5/MX >Flash4/5/MX (ActionScript) >some Perl >some C++ >PHP4 >JSP (on WebLogic) >ASP >HTML >JS >CSS >XML >XSLT Hmm, that's pretty much identical to mine if you s/CF4\/5\/MX/Python/ >I've also been known to dabble in databases (oracle, mysql, ms sql server), >design, IA and tequila drinking Tequila? Now we're talking real skills. Though after a bottle or so I have a tendency to dribble in tequila rather than dabble. Seb. From test at sohu.com Wed May 1 03:08:00 2002 From: test at sohu.com (richard) Date: Wed May 1 03:08:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] test Message-ID: <200205010807.g4187rwC017767@leo.evolt.org> [ Converted text/html to text/plain ] test From test at sohu.com Wed May 1 03:25:01 2002 From: test at sohu.com (richard) Date: Wed May 1 03:25:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] test Message-ID: <200205010824.g418OfwC018397@leo.evolt.org> [ Converted text/html to text/plain ] test From isaac at members.evolt.org Wed May 1 03:28:00 2002 From: isaac at members.evolt.org (isaac) Date: Wed May 1 03:28:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] test In-Reply-To: <200205010824.g418OfwC018397@leo.evolt.org> Message-ID: ??? > -----Original Message----- > From: thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org > [mailto:thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of richard > Sent: Wednesday, 1 May 2002 5:55 Pm > To: thesite at lists.evolt.org > Subject: [thesite] test > > > [ Converted text/html to text/plain ] > test > ________________________________________ > evolt.org wiki: > http://freezope2.nipltd.net/acorn/evolt/ > ---- > For unsubscribe, archive, and options, go to: > http://lists.evolt.org/mailman/listinfo/thesite > From neuro at well.com Wed May 1 04:08:00 2002 From: neuro at well.com (William Anderson) Date: Wed May 1 04:08:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] test References: Message-ID: <0af201c1f0ef$eac2f5e0$6502a8c0@local.zensoft.net> ----- Original Message ----- From: "isaac" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 9:33 AM Subject: RE: [thesite] test > > -----Original Message----- > > From: thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org > > [mailto:thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of richard > > Sent: Wednesday, 1 May 2002 5:55 Pm > > To: thesite at lists.evolt.org > > Subject: [thesite] test > > > > > > [ Converted text/html to text/plain ] > > test > > ??? It's certainly testing my patience! -- _ __/| ___ ___ __ _________ "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned \`O_o' / _ \/ -_) // / __/ _ \ for Sega." -- Brodie, 'Mallrats' =(_ _)=/_//_/\__/\_,_/_/ \___/ @ well.com :: William Anderson U - Ack! Phttpt! Thhbbt! http://neuro.wasters.com/ From test at sohu.com Wed May 1 06:56:01 2002 From: test at sohu.com (richard) Date: Wed May 1 06:56:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] test Message-ID: <200205011155.g41BtLwC025883@leo.evolt.org> [ Converted text/html to text/plain ] test From michele at wordpro.on.ca Wed May 1 07:06:00 2002 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Wed May 1 07:06:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] test References: <200205011155.g41BtLwC025883@leo.evolt.org> Message-ID: <013301c1f108$7f0ee700$607efea9@dansk.ca> I put this person's email address on hold for approval .. at least I think I did ;) They aren't subbed .. one test I can understand .. but several .. naw. Mich ----- Original Message ----- From: "richard" | [ Converted text/html to text/plain ] | test From garrett at polytechnic.co.uk Wed May 1 07:12:00 2002 From: garrett at polytechnic.co.uk (Garrett Coakley) Date: Wed May 1 07:12:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] test In-Reply-To: <200205011155.g41BtLwC025883@leo.evolt.org>; from test@sohu.com on Wed, May 01, 2002 at 08:55:25PM +0900 References: <200205011155.g41BtLwC025883@leo.evolt.org> Message-ID: <20020501131124.A15398@chillibean.dsvr.co.uk> On Wed, May 01, 2002 at 08:55:25PM +0900, richard wrote: > test Sorry, you've failed, continously. Any chance we can unsubscribe this person, or block them until they learn how to use alt.test? G. From michele at wordpro.on.ca Wed May 1 07:14:09 2002 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Wed May 1 07:14:09 2002 Subject: [thesite] What do you want to do ? References: Message-ID: <013c01c1f109$ae93b540$607efea9@dansk.ca> Lindsay, Can you add yourself to the Fact Finding Mission found here: http://freezope2.nipltd.net/acorn/evolt/FactFindingMission We're using this to (a) learn more about each other (b) find out what people want to do to help out evolt.org (c) skill sets .. etc. Holler if you have any questions and/or can't get the wiki to work properly. You have a very extensive skill set .. I'll let the project leaders of the various projects fight over who gets ya first ;) /me pokes Simon, Jeff, Matt, Dan, Seb, Dean Cheers, Mich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lindsay Evans" | I've just hit a bit of a dead spot here at work, so anything I can do to | help, I will. | | Relevant skills 'n stuff: | | CF4/5/MX | Flash4/5/MX (ActionScript) | some Perl | some C++ | PHP4 | JSP (on WebLogic) | ASP | HTML | JS | CSS | XML | XSLT | | I've also been known to dabble in databases (oracle, mysql, ms sql server), | design, IA and tequila drinking From roselli at earthlink.net Wed May 1 08:36:01 2002 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Wed May 1 08:36:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] test In-Reply-To: <20020501131124.A15398@chillibean.dsvr.co.uk> References: <200205011155.g41BtLwC025883@leo.evolt.org>; from test@sohu.com on Wed, May 01, 2002 at 08:55:25PM +0900 Message-ID: <200205011335.g41DZFwC030522@leo.evolt.org> > From: Garrett Coakley [...] > Any chance we can unsubscribe this person, or block them until they > learn how to use alt.test? nope... none of these lists are closed -- anyone can post to them, which is why we get spam, too... all that can be done is a hold on their addy... -- Read the evolt.org case study Usability: The Site Speaks for Itself http://amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1904151035/ ISBN: 1904151035 From roselli at earthlink.net Wed May 1 08:36:03 2002 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Wed May 1 08:36:03 2002 Subject: [thesite] What do you want to do ? In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020501072133.01ed6d48@members.evolt.org> Message-ID: <200205011335.g41DZNwC030531@leo.evolt.org> > From: "Lindsay Evans" [...] > Just to be a pain in the ass, I'd prefer JSP. > > What were we talking about again? > > I've just hit a bit of a dead spot here at work, so anything I can do > to help, I will. michele already pointed you to the wiki to add your skillset... but we were talking about the browser archive... i wanted to know what server-side languages were there that we could leverage... -- Read the evolt.org case study Usability: The Site Speaks for Itself http://amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1904151035/ ISBN: 1904151035 From garrett at polytechnic.co.uk Wed May 1 09:27:01 2002 From: garrett at polytechnic.co.uk (Garrett Coakley) Date: Wed May 1 09:27:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] test In-Reply-To: <200205011335.g41DZFwC030522@leo.evolt.org>; from roselli@earthlink.net on Wed, May 01, 2002 at 09:35:09AM -0400 References: <200205011155.g41BtLwC025883@leo.evolt.org>; <20020501131124.A15398@chillibean.dsvr.co.uk> <200205011335.g41DZFwC030522@leo.evolt.org> Message-ID: <20020501152603.B26721@chillibean.dsvr.co.uk> On Wed, May 01, 2002 at 09:35:09AM -0400, aardvark wrote: > nope... none of these lists are closed -- anyone can post to them, > which is why we get spam, too... At the risk of starting another argument.... ...GRRRRRRR! G. From neuro at well.com Wed May 1 14:38:01 2002 From: neuro at well.com (William Anderson) Date: Wed May 1 14:38:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] test References: <200205011155.g41BtLwC025883@leo.evolt.org>; <20020501131124.A15398@chillibean.dsvr.co.uk> <200205011335.g41DZFwC030522@leo.evolt.org> <20020501152603.B26721@chillibean.dsvr.co.uk> Message-ID: <0de801c1f128$e228e000$6502a8c0@local.zensoft.net> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Coakley" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 3:26 PM Subject: Re: [thesite] test > On Wed, May 01, 2002 at 09:35:09AM -0400, aardvark wrote: > > > nope... none of these lists are closed -- anyone can post to them, > > which is why we get spam, too... > > At the risk of starting another argument.... > > ...GRRRRRRR! mmm, ditto. I've had arguments on NetBSD lists about a similar posture on allowing non-list members to post. I personally disable the feature on every list I create. If you want to post from more than one email address, subscribe with them all, and set the ones you don't want to get multiple messages to, to the nomail setting. I see no other point in having posting set open as such, but if someone can enlighten me as to a good reason why, I'll happily accept it :) -- _ __/| ___ ___ __ _________ "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned \`O_o' / _ \/ -_) // / __/ _ \ for Sega." -- Brodie, 'Mallrats' =(_ _)=/_//_/\__/\_,_/_/ \___/ @ well.com :: William Anderson U - Ack! Phttpt! Thhbbt! http://neuro.wasters.com/ From mwarden at mattwarden.com Wed May 1 14:51:00 2002 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Wed May 1 14:51:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] test In-Reply-To: <0de801c1f128$e228e000$6502a8c0@local.zensoft.net> Message-ID: On May 1, William Anderson had something to say about Re: [thesite] test >> On Wed, May 01, 2002 at 09:35:09AM -0400, aardvark wrote: >> >> > nope... none of these lists are closed -- anyone can post to them, >> > which is why we get spam, too... >> >> At the risk of starting another argument.... >> >> ...GRRRRRRR! > >mmm, ditto. I've had arguments on NetBSD lists about a similar posture on >allowing non-list members to post. I personally disable the feature on >every list I create. If you want to post from more than one email address, >subscribe with them all, and set the ones you don't want to get multiple >messages to, to the nomail setting. > >I see no other point in having posting set open as such, but if someone can >enlighten me as to a good reason why, I'll happily accept it :) Well, since we've had this argument time and time again, I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to find in the archives. Fact is, it doesn't happen often. When it does, it's a minor annoyance until we add a filter. Btw, all the lists at evolt are set up like this list. -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From roselli at earthlink.net Wed May 1 15:16:01 2002 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Wed May 1 15:16:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] test In-Reply-To: References: <0de801c1f128$e228e000$6502a8c0@local.zensoft.net> Message-ID: <200205012004.g41K4mhC015631@leo.evolt.org> > From: "Warden, Matt" > > Well, since we've had this argument time and time again, I'm sure it > wouldn't be hard to find in the archives. maybe there's a reason it keeps coming up...? there have been a few messages on this today, and i do like william's argument of sub with *all* your addresses, and set all but one to nomail... then the lists no longer would have to accomodate bizarre mail set- ups some of our users are stuck with (or choose)... his suggestion is a new one to me that sounds tasty... > Fact is, it doesn't happen often. When it does, it's a minor annoyance > until we add a filter. how many times today? i know *i* have a different definition of 'often' and 'minor'... > Btw, all the lists at evolt are set up like this list. painfully aware... -- Read the evolt.org case study Usability: The Site Speaks for Itself http://amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1904151035/ ISBN: 1904151035 From jeff at members.evolt.org Wed May 1 15:16:02 2002 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (.jeff) Date: Wed May 1 15:16:02 2002 Subject: [thesite] test In-Reply-To: Message-ID: matt, ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > From: Warden, Matt > > > I see no other point in having posting set open as > > such, but if someone can enlighten me as to a good > > reason why, I'll happily accept it :) > > Well, since we've had this argument time and time > again, I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to find in the > archives. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< and there are some, despite the side pitching to leave it open, that don't think the reasons to leave it open are compelling enough. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > Fact is, it doesn't happen often. When it does, it's a > minor annoyance until we add a filter. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< filters are reactionary meaning they can't be put in place until the damage is already done. if we want to actually keep this stuff from happening (even once in a while is too much) then we need to not allow posting from non-subbed addresses. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > Btw, all the lists at evolt are set up like this list. ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< that doesn't mean they should be. i'm for changing that to keep the crap off the lists. having to post from your subbed address isn't that big a deal. most lists out there are set up that way. i think most users have come to expect it. .jeff http://evolt.org/ jeff at members.evolt.org http://members.evolt.org/jeff/ From luminosity at members.evolt.org Thu May 2 09:32:00 2002 From: luminosity at members.evolt.org (Lachlan Cannon) Date: Thu May 2 09:32:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] mailing list posting policies (was: RE: test) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1045.139.130.216.191.1020324430.squirrel@members.evolt.org> .jeff said: > > if we want to actually keep this stuff from happening (even once in a > while is too much) then we need to not allow posting from non-subbed > addresses. > > > i'm for changing that to keep the crap off the lists. > Of course if you do want to change it, it needs to be done on theforum, not thesite. Personally, I can see why thelist is kept open, but I think thechat/theforum/thesite should definitely be subbed only. Lach From djc at members.evolt.org Thu May 2 15:31:01 2002 From: djc at members.evolt.org (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Thu May 2 15:31:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] leo ftp back up Message-ID: <3CD1A1D6.9050806@members.evolt.org> sorry about the delay, all should be good now .djc. From dmah at shaw.ca Thu May 2 17:40:00 2002 From: dmah at shaw.ca (Dean Mah) Date: Thu May 2 17:40:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] Status of tip harvester In-Reply-To: <005b01c1ee82$7172e980$dc38fea9@dansk.ca> Message-ID: <200205022004.g42K4sV01852@alice.monkeyland.ca> Tip classification is proceeding. We've got a couple people actively doing it. Is that enough, probably not. I've whipped up a quick script to add people thetips editor (previously needed direct access to my account and database). I'll wait until I hear from the steering committee or whoever makes the decisions now before handing out access to it. Dean Michele Foster writes: > Dean, do you have enough individuals to look after tip > classification? Can you teach Matt and/or Garrett how to go about > adding individuals to be allowed to classify tips? If necessary, of > course, I'm not sure if you have enough people right now or not. From djc at members.evolt.org Fri May 3 08:22:01 2002 From: djc at members.evolt.org (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Fri May 3 08:22:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] back up. again Message-ID: <3CD28EF0.5070700@members.evolt.org> qwest decided to tinker with the way traffic is deliverd to the t1's comin in here around 11:30pm cst last night, and it caused our t1, and starks, and a numbe of others around the chicago area to die. fixed now, if anyone wants an in depth explanation on the important part encapsulation plays in network transport sevices, let me know! i'm going back to bed From webguru at vsnl.net Fri May 3 11:06:20 2002 From: webguru at vsnl.net (Madhu Menon) Date: Fri May 3 11:06:20 2002 Subject: [thesite] test In-Reply-To: <20020502170121.424D4C20A@relay.evolt.org> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020503112055.01be9608@203.197.12.4> At 10:31 PM 5/2/2002, jeffrey wrote: >i'm for changing that to keep the crap off the lists. > >having to post from your subbed address isn't that big a deal. most lists >out there are set up that way. i think most users have come to expect it. Were I to invoke logic, however, logic clearly dictates that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. From djc at members.evolt.org Fri May 3 15:46:02 2002 From: djc at members.evolt.org (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Fri May 3 15:46:02 2002 Subject: [thesite] April stats for evolt.org Message-ID: <3CD2F702.5050206@members.evolt.org> Marhaba evolters! In this update email, I bring not news of router destruction or encapsulation confusion, but good news for a change! The April evolt.org stats are here and available for your viewing refreshment! High level: Hits: 2.4 million(ties last months record) Page views: 745,600 Page views/day: 24,700 Unique hosts served: 131,000(just short of last months record) Data transferred: 102.5Gb (new record!) Low level: Top 7 referers: 1-7: Various Google sites(google.yahoo,google.de/ca/uk/fr/etc..) - ~200K Honorable mention: Anyone who linked to us that isn't google ;) Browsers & OS's: IE based browsers continued to lead the pack for total # of requests to the evolt.org sites, and increased its lead by about 2% to account for 75% of total page views on evolt.org sites. Netscape and Opera dropped a couple tenths of a percentage point each to finish at 9.76% and 2.87% respectively. Windows based operating systems continue to be the dominant choice of evolt.org visitors, coming in at 78.75% of all requests. Win2k also seems to be the most popular among the windows flavors with just under 39% of all requests for evolt.org sites, followed by windows98 with just under 22% of all requests. Our phantom visitor who uses an Atari based OS to peruse evolt.org didn't visit us in April I'm saddned to report :( Mac based browsers accounted for 6% of requests to evolt.org while Unix based browsers were responsible for about half that at 3%. Top 5 members.evolt.org accounts for the month were marceloslg, desflynn, djc, DarthGreg, and deadL0ck Every month, I pick out one members.evolt.org account that i think is doing something cool, interesting, or wierd. This months featured members.evolt.org belongs to Bobby Gillette, aka http://members.evolt.org/fusion/ - more of a weblog type site than a resrouce like previous winners, it's been a daily read of mine for the past couple weeks now. Plus I like the design(and the pixelization!), and the fact that he plays Dark Age of Camelot :) Thanks to last months featured m.e.o account, http://members.evolt.org/shaggy ! You can view the whole veggie-burger for yourself, as usual, at http://browsers.evolt.org/stats/stats.apr2002.html - Thanks to everyone for your community participation and continuing to make evolt.org the premier web developers resource! Salaam! Wa shukran lis-samak! (thanks samir :) .djc. Find the how, what, and why you should consider a donation to evolt.org - http://members.evolt.org/contribute/ From neuro at well.com Fri May 3 17:39:01 2002 From: neuro at well.com (William Anderson) Date: Fri May 3 17:39:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] test References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020503112055.01be9608@203.197.12.4> Message-ID: <0c8401c1f2de$fd09e470$6502a8c0@local.zensoft.net> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Madhu Menon" To: Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 6:55 AM Subject: RE: [thesite] test > [snip] > > > > Were I to invoke logic, however, logic clearly dictates that the needs of > the many outweigh the needs of the few. > > I _hate_ to be a pedant, but I LOVE Wrath of Khan, and the quote is Kirk: You are going to remind me that logic dictates your actions? Spock: I would not remind you of that which you know so well. It was a mistake for you to accept promotion. Commanding a starship is your first, best destiny. Anything else, is a waste of material. 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The new president quickly began overtures to end the war." [Congo, formerly Zaire, has been in a state of civil war since 1994] Actually, he was shot in his office, but we'll let that one slide :) > [snip] > I count on your honour to keep my > secret, SECRET. So you thought you'd send your mail to a mailing list ... hehe, way to keep it secret dude :) -- _ __/| ___ ___ __ _________ "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned \`O_o' / _ \/ -_) // / __/ _ \ for Sega." -- Brodie, 'Mallrats' =(_ _)=/_//_/\__/\_,_/_/ \___/ @ well.com :: William Anderson U - Ack! Phttpt! Thhbbt! http://neuro.wasters.com/ From gbest at mail.com Sun May 5 08:28:00 2002 From: gbest at mail.com (sexygirl) Date: Sun May 5 08:28:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] make love tonight =?GB2312?B?w8DFrs28xqw=?= Message-ID: <200205051327.g45DRH1u030747@leo.evolt.org> [ Converted text/html to text/plain ] (image)[1] click here to see more[2] ??????????[3] ===References:=== 1. http://www.cn1688.net/girls/ 2. http://www.cn1688.net/girls/ 3. http://www.cn1688.net/girls/ From djc at members.evolt.org Mon May 6 10:00:01 2002 From: djc at members.evolt.org (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Mon May 6 10:00:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] mod'ing thesite for now.. Message-ID: <3CD69867.3090007@members.evolt.org> this weekend, thesite list got mailbombed(or something) to the tune of 35+ emails.. all of them save one got caught by the spam filters, but for the next day or so, posts are gonna be manually approved.. nothing major to worry about, keep up the good work! .djc. From michele at wordpro.on.ca Mon May 6 16:28:00 2002 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Mon May 6 16:28:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] Fact Finding Mission .. Are you missing? Message-ID: <003601c1f544$7cf9a000$105dfea9@dansk.ca> Hey folks .... Can everyone that's interested in helping out evolt.org in various capacities please fill out the Fact Finding Mission located on the wiki here: http://freezope2.nipltd.net/acorn/evolt/FactFindingMission I won't mention any names .. but there are several individuals that I *know* want to and will continue to contribute back to evolt.org that have not added themselves to the list yet. I also notice several individuals have started to fill it out but haven't gone back to finish it up. Let's wrap this up this week if possible. :) Thanks, Michele (cc: theforum and thesite .. sorry for the duplication) From roselli at earthlink.net Tue May 7 13:34:01 2002 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Tue May 7 13:34:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] bad spam Message-ID: <200205071614.g47GE4Gv028139@leo.evolt.org> so, how many other people got offlist emails complaining about the following: http://lists.evolt.org/archive/Week-of-Mon-20020506/111817.html i'd love to say that i hate to bring this up again, but i don't, because it's something i think isn't yet resolved, at least not for the few offlist (and one onlist) response to it that i've received... as i look through my own spam filter, i see that the subjects can be a hella lot worse than that... how long before those get through? how many evolters have to explain to their boss-men that those messages from a list to their *specific address* aren't opt-in? so, i again ask, what is easier: - having a few people constantly manage a spam filter for a group of people on the list that, near as i can tell, amounts to 0.1% so they can post from anywhere in the world... - close the lists and allow people to either sub other addys (set to nomail) or have the list admin add them to the exceptions list? and what is friendlier? - have a dozen people added to the exceptions list? - have some listers forcibly removed from their list thanks to office policy at their places of employment, while the rest of us just waste time deleting them... theforum is closed, and so far nobody has complained of any problems... granted, it's been quiet over there, but it was also the weekend, and four of the louder types were busy getting drunk together in TO... -- Read the evolt.org case study Usability: The Site Speaks for Itself http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1904151035/evoltorg ISBN: 1904151035 From joshua at alphashop.net Tue May 7 13:42:00 2002 From: joshua at alphashop.net (Joshua Olson) Date: Tue May 7 13:42:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] bad spam References: <200205071614.g47GE4Gv028139@leo.evolt.org> Message-ID: <057301c1f5f8$65a59710$0200a8c0@client1> I've noticed that quite a few of these spam messages have close to zero content once they hit my inbox. Is it possible to set a minimum length for posts? Say, 200 bytes, or something? -joshua ----- Original Message ----- From: "aardvark" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 12:14 PM Subject: [thesite] bad spam > so, how many other people got offlist emails complaining about the > following: > http://lists.evolt.org/archive/Week-of-Mon-20020506/111817.html > > i'd love to say that i hate to bring this up again, but i don't, because > it's something i think isn't yet resolved, at least not for the few > offlist (and one onlist) response to it that i've received... From r937 at interlog.com Tue May 7 13:56:00 2002 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Tue May 7 13:56:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] bad spam Message-ID: <01c1f5f8$21f3b9c0$b3501dd1@rudy> >... four of the louder types were busy getting drunk together in TO... well, i didn't get drunk (which only happens well into the second sixpack) so i guess i'm not one of the louder types just to add my three cents (canadian -- you do the math) perhaps the mail from non-subscribers can be held until it is manually deleted or released by an admin granted, that's work, but it could be batched, let's say once a week, and it should be real easy to delete the obvious spams anybody still posting from non-subscribed addresses after a couple weeks of this will then be quite receptive to the gentle reminder that multiple subscriptions can be set up with only one of them actually receiving mail i see this as a compromise between flat out rejecting posts from non-subscribers and letting anything through rudy From seb at members.evolt.org Tue May 7 16:06:01 2002 From: seb at members.evolt.org (Seb) Date: Tue May 7 16:06:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] Responsible public list practices In-Reply-To: <200205070913.g479D8U14504@durendal.skynet.be> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020507203203.02681e08@members.evolt.org> In addition to comments I have already made on [theforum], I would like to point out that I am now absolutely enraged by something that appeared in my work inbox today. I'm sure there are many people that read thelist from work. If I was caught reading an email list with the most recent porn/spam subject visible I WOULD BE FIRED ON THE SPOT. (cf: The message sent to [thelist] on Tue, 7 May 2002 11:13:08 +0200 (MET DST) by "support at winzip.com") Let me reiterate that for those that have so far been blase about this topic: IF I WAS CAUGHT READING A PUBLIC EVOLT.ORG LIST WITH A PORNOGRAPHIC SUBJECT LINE, I WOULD BE FIRED FROM MY JOB. Until such time as those few who make decisions regarding mailing list management realise the social impact of their decisions, I will no longer be able to contribute to any list that allows non-subscriber posting. Unfortunately, at this time this precludes me from thelist, thesite, and until I receive further information to the contrary, theforum and thechat. If the decision is made to leave in place the current ability for non-subscribers to post, then I would like to recommend a prominent warning be placed with any list sign-up explicitly stating that due to list management, it is highly likely that pornographic material may be received, and that evolt.org is not suitable (or even legal) viewing for minors, or those accessing it from their place of employment. I will still try to check lists from home as I am able, but this will be a fairly rare occurrence. This is an extremely personal disappointment, as I have only recently been able to start contributing to evolt.org in any way. Seb. From djc at members.evolt.org Tue May 7 16:06:03 2002 From: djc at members.evolt.org (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Tue May 7 16:06:03 2002 Subject: [thesite] bad spam References: <200205071614.g47GE4Gv028139@leo.evolt.org> Message-ID: <3CD833D9.6060302@members.evolt.org> aardvark - this is obviously an issue for you, and i can appreciate that. i know you think that you've got the best solution, and it does work well on theforum list for a number of reasons(two being its relative newness and not being plastered on 100 sites across the web), so its not really fair to say 'solution X works on this list' when the lists are very different. i'm working on fixing the problem, more along the lines of what josh has suggested, by holding zero length emails. this, in addition to the other measures in place, should help the prob. and i'm not saying its going to ever get fixed either. spam will always be flying at thelist, and we can't completly stop it. i think if you or the people that sent you messages offlist knew how many spam emails didn't get through because of the work thats been done by a number of people, you wouldn't be quite as critical. aardvark wrote: > so, how many other people got offlist emails complaining about the > following: > http://lists.evolt.org/archive/Week-of-Mon-20020506/111817.html > > i'd love to say that i hate to bring this up again, but i don't, because > it's something i think isn't yet resolved, at least not for the few > offlist (and one onlist) response to it that i've received... > > as i look through my own spam filter, i see that the subjects can > be a hella lot worse than that... how long before those get through? > how many evolters have to explain to their boss-men that those > messages from a list to their *specific address* aren't opt-in? > > so, i again ask, what is easier: > > - having a few people constantly manage a spam filter for a group of > people on the list that, near as i can tell, amounts to 0.1% so they > can post from anywhere in the world... > > - close the lists and allow people to either sub other addys (set to > nomail) or have the list admin add them to the exceptions list? > > and what is friendlier? > > - have a dozen people added to the exceptions list? > > - have some listers forcibly removed from their list thanks to office > policy at their places of employment, while the rest of us just > waste time deleting them... > > theforum is closed, and so far nobody has complained of any > problems... granted, it's been quiet over there, but it was also the > weekend, and four of the louder types were busy getting drunk > together in TO... From roselli at earthlink.net Tue May 7 16:06:05 2002 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Tue May 7 16:06:05 2002 Subject: [thesite] Re: [Theforum] Responsible public list practices In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020507203203.02681e08@members.evolt.org> References: <200205070913.g479D8U14504@durendal.skynet.be> Message-ID: <200205072019.g47KJZ7J008214@leo.evolt.org> > From: Seb [...] > Until such time as those few who make decisions regarding mailing list > management realise the social impact of their decisions, I will no > longer be able to contribute to any list that allows non-subscriber > posting. [...] seb... i understand where you are coming from... i have received a number of offlist posts today from people asking me to put the pressure on again -- mostly because they've felt their concerns were glossed over in favor of "gee-whiz"... many of them have never commented because they've seen it dismissed in the archives... they also contacted me because they know i closed theforum down... so, until this all gets straightened out (and i do agree with you, as you can see in today's post to thesite at http://lists.evolt.org/thesitearchive/2002-May/005352.html, which, ironically, is on approval-only because of a mail-bomb), all i can do is assure you that theforum is *closed* to non-subsribers... spam has already been caught and tossed away that otherwise would have made it to theforum... so far, it seems to be working quite well... so please, feel free to consider theforum list safe, until i am proven wrong... -- Read the evolt.org case study Usability: The Site Speaks for Itself http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1904151035/evoltorg ISBN: 1904151035 From miriam at members.evolt.org Tue May 7 16:06:07 2002 From: miriam at members.evolt.org (Miriam Frost) Date: Tue May 7 16:06:07 2002 Subject: [thesite] Re: [thechat] Re: [Theforum] Responsible public list practices References: <200205070913.g479D8U14504@durendal.skynet.be> <200205072019.g47KJZ7J008213@leo.evolt.org> Message-ID: <01e601c1f609$7ae98f30$79cff3cd@walthers.com> <><><><><><><>< >From: "aardvark" >To: >Cc: ; ; ; >Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 3:19 PM >Subject: [thechat] Re: [Theforum] Responsible public list practices ><><><><><><>< Can we please keep this to one list?? Heh. Spammer. M. From roselli at earthlink.net Tue May 7 16:06:10 2002 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Tue May 7 16:06:10 2002 Subject: [thesite] Re: Responsible public list practices In-Reply-To: <3CD839BB.4040007@members.evolt.org> Message-ID: <200205072103.g47L3g7J010825@leo.evolt.org> > From: "Daniel J. Cody" > > > > i have received a number of offlist posts today from people asking > > me to put the pressure on again -- mostly because they've felt their > > concerns were glossed over in favor of "gee-whiz"... many of them > > have never commented because they've seen it dismissed in the > > archives... > > a number? thought it was 'a few'.. anywho. i really don't think i've i got more. > 'dismissed' this issue either, the first couple times i explained it > very carefully just why thelist is the way it is. when the same > questions which i'd answered came back up, yes, i dismissed them with > a reference to an archive post.. from today: "i don't really feel like responding to the rest of this atm, sorry. i am working on new features if i could ever drop out of my email client and back into my editor." that is dismissive... you may not think so, but imagine how seb felt when his frustration was answered with "i don't ... feel like responding..." > > they also contacted me because they know i closed theforum > > down... > > comparing a list thats 1/30th the size, has only been aruond for 6 > months, and doesn't have its address posted in 100 places across the > internet isn't a really good example aardvark. i think it is, since that list, which hasn't been around, has fewer members, and has gotten less spam, had enough members who wanted it closed... it's a microcosm of where we are with the other lists... scale it up, and we've got a problem... to me, it's a *perfect* example... anything else? -- Read the evolt.org case study Usability: The Site Speaks for Itself http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1904151035/evoltorg ISBN: 1904151035 From roselli at earthlink.net Tue May 7 16:58:00 2002 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Tue May 7 16:58:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] bad spam In-Reply-To: <3CD833D9.6060302@members.evolt.org> Message-ID: <200205072153.g47Lra7J013454@leo.evolt.org> > From: "Daniel J. Cody" > > aardvark - > > this is obviously an issue for you, and i can appreciate that. and others... > i know you think that you've got the best solution, and it does work > well on theforum list for a number of reasons(two being its relative > newness and not being plastered on 100 sites across the web), so its > not really fair to say 'solution X works on this list' when the lists > are very different. no, it's not fair, but i've still heard no reasonable argument against it... how many people who my suggested change impact? > i'm working on fixing the problem, more along the lines of what josh > has suggested, by holding zero length emails. zero+length of footer, i hope... > this, in addition to the other measures in place, should help the > prob. help... > and i'm not saying its going to ever get fixed either. spam will > always be flying at thelist, and we can't completly stop it. i think > if you or the people that sent you messages offlist knew how many spam > emails didn't get through because of the work thats been done by a > number of people, you wouldn't be quite as critical. well, i know that you stopped a 35-post mailbomb... but i still maintain that the work done by a number of people is nice and all, it's, IMO, unnecessary... i don't feel compelled to back off just because someone has put time into something if i think it's not working... but, if the list were closed to non-subscribers, other than those who sub (which you manually approve anyway, right?), how much spam would make it through? and if you blocked all HTML and attachment posts, instead of stripping and sending, how much spam would make it through? -- Read the evolt.org case study Usability: The Site Speaks for Itself http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1904151035/evoltorg ISBN: 1904151035 From djc at members.evolt.org Tue May 7 17:31:00 2002 From: djc at members.evolt.org (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Tue May 7 17:31:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] quick change Message-ID: <3CD85532.6000804@members.evolt.org> adrian is the new thelist admin. i'm tired of battling about the whole issue and getting personaly bitchslapped offlist everytime i try don't agree with something. i've made the technical argument for the way things are, but have changed thelist to they way its being asked for and the most vocal proponent of that plan is dealing with the repurcusions, not me. as i mentioned to adrian, if any changes are needed on the OS level, i'll be happy to make them. he has access to everything else. its pretty apparent that a couple very outspoken people don't want me to have anything to do with evolt anymore, no matter how much they sugar coat it. i do thank them for having he courtesy to bring out the personal attcks on and off list while i was in the country this time though. there have been those of us who've said we put so much time into evolt because its fun, ya know? how fun are some of you making it? and maybe i'll just take a breather right here before i say something that i may regret later. From neuro at well.com Tue May 7 18:59:00 2002 From: neuro at well.com (William Anderson) Date: Tue May 7 18:59:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] bad spam References: <200205072153.g47Lra7J013454@leo.evolt.org> Message-ID: <017a01c1f61b$c164c080$6502a8c0@local.zensoft.net> ----- Original Message ----- From: "aardvark" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 10:53 PM Subject: Re: [thesite] bad spam > [snip] > > but, if the list were closed to non-subscribers, other than those who > sub (which you manually approve anyway, right?), how much > spam would make it through? > > and if you blocked all HTML and attachment posts, instead of > stripping and sending, how much spam would make it through? +1 ... I still personally don't see the necessity for any of the @leo lists to allow non-subscriber postings. -- _ __/| ___ ___ __ _________ "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned \`O_o' / _ \/ -_) // / __/ _ \ for Sega." -- Brodie, 'Mallrats' =(_ _)=/_//_/\__/\_,_/_/ \___/ @ well.com :: William Anderson U - Ack! Phttpt! Thhbbt! http://neuro.wasters.com/ From emeyer at lclark.edu Tue May 7 18:59:01 2002 From: emeyer at lclark.edu (Erika Meyer) Date: Tue May 7 18:59:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] quick change In-Reply-To: <3CD85532.6000804@members.evolt.org> References: <3CD85532.6000804@members.evolt.org> Message-ID: djc says: >its pretty apparent that a couple very outspoken people don't want me to >have anything to do with evolt anymore, no matter how much they sugar >coat it. This is black and white thinking. Have you considered the possibility that people want something different (and perhaps even reasonable) from you, *not* that they want to push you out of evolt.org? There is such a thing as middle ground. Compromise... sharing responsibility... etc. >i do thank them for having he courtesy to bring out the personal attcks >on and off list while i was in the country this time though. which personal attacks would those be? >there have been those of us who've said we put so much time into >evolt because its fun, ya know? how fun are some of you making it? I don't know. How fun are you making it? >and maybe i'll just take a breather right here before i say something >that i may regret later. not a bad idea. -- Dan, It's possible to disagree with someone and still get along. It's possible to criticize a person's action and still like/love/respect the person. Evolt.org is a big complex relationship... most of us want it to work. So please chill. We love you. We want you. xxoo, Erika -- From rwd at csi1st.net Tue May 7 21:47:01 2002 From: rwd at csi1st.net (Ron Dorman) Date: Tue May 7 21:47:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] Re: [totc] Criminy (was: some big ruckus) References: <3CD839BB.4040007@members.evolt.org> <5.1.0.14.0.20020507233405.02aa69a0@members.evolt.org> Message-ID: <3CD88A68.3080205@csi1st.net> Seb wrote: > >> Hey guys, no point in debating it. Seb's just saying he can't follow >> along >> if there's a likelyhood that porn spam is going to get through. No one's >> attacking anyone. Right? > > > Wish I had been able to be at home and follow-up on some of the arguments > that have been blazing over the last few hours. Yeah, finish work, take my kids to T-ball, and find a all this stuff about the lists when I get back. > > Let me make sure that there is no room for interpretation here: > > 1. I filter all my home accounts, I do not filter mailing lists because of > the possibility of losing important posts accidentally. > 2. After specifically requesting access in my new job, I was allowed to > access my members.evolt.org account to bring the value that evolt.org > represents into my workplace. > 3. My contract of employment clearly states unacceptable practices. > Receiving pornographic material is a dismissable offence. > 4. After only a couple of hours in my new job, I received an email on > [thelist] that could easily be interpreted as pornographic. Had somebody > seen it and interpreted it that way, I would have been subject to summary > dismissal. > 5. I made the decision that I will not be able to follow open lists in work > hours. This restricts me the thechat, totc, and theforum, the areas in > which I can contribute least to the community. I sent a (fairly outraged, > I'm sorry to admit) email to all affected lists with the exception of > thelist. These clarifications would've been better a few hours ago. And much better if they were on a more read forum, therefore I am posting to all lists except "thelist". Before I got to this post I had a different picture of the issue. I agree that we need clean lists. I definitely would not want anyone to lose employment over a post from evolt.org. After reading the explanation here and reading what happened from the first post, I am dismayed with some of our membership. This should not have turned into the ruffle that it turned into. Sure, we needed to address the problem, from what I read it was being worked on, and our current solution may, or may not, solve the problem, we will see. My question is how well the servers will perform with the added load of subscriber validation on the volume of thelist. Hopefully we will not notice it. > > I want to point out that this was in no way whatsoever a personal attack on > any administrator of any evolt.org list. I know this because I wrote the > email and am therefore the only person qualified to make that statement. > > Further, I do not want this email to be interpreted as criticism of the > remarkable work that Dan has done administrating the lists. > > What I do want to point out is that decisions that affect the whole > community, such as the types of email that all members receive, have to be > put before the community. I agree, and think we failed that with our current solution. A one or two day poll on thelist would have been good, with manual approval for non-subscribed posts during the poll. > > I have never, in 3 and a half years, received an email through any > evolt.org list like the one I received this afternoon. I expected that I > never would have to. I do understand and have the same expectation. However I can personally attest to a big increase in spam lately, with more sophisticated methods and software to poke through spam prevention efforts. > > However ingenious a technical solution to (spam/html mail/non-subscribers > posting) problems are, it is *not* a technical decision to implement them. > When something like that affects literally thousands of people, then it has > to be the informed decision of the entire community. > > > Dan, please don't try to turn this into a personal issue, I have nothing > but the utmost respect for everything you've done. > Thanks for the explanation Seb, it should help us all understand better what happened today. I also hope that we can handle future issues with a calmer spirit. Ron D. From michele at wordpro.on.ca Thu May 9 11:26:00 2002 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Thu May 9 11:26:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] Wiki Questions Message-ID: <029e01c1f775$80aadc40$b710fea9@dansk.ca> Martin .. or anyone else :) How do I do this ... See this page .. Erika added her Fact Finding Mission here at the bottom http://freezope2.nipltd.net/acorn/evolt/ListManagement But I want it to appear on the FFM page and also theForum page. I'm confused and unsure how to go about doing that and not breaking any links. Also from the same page, at the top where there's a reference to CaseStudy2 .. it's hard-coded .. I couldn't get it to connect to the correct page (http://freezope2.nipltd.net/acorn/evolt/CaseStudy2) .. so, I left it hard-coded as Adrian had originally done .. and somehow managed to get it not to show a ? after. Not sure how I did that but it might have something to do with me adding a ! at the beginning in order to see the square brackets. Also, Martin where you've added comments to the case studies, can you please use a colour and indicate at the top which colour reflects your changes. Are both bold and italics yours? Or has someone else edited the page and added comments. It would be helpful for everyone if we all follow the same rules/procedures. :) Thanks, Michele (*the wiki-challenged one*) From michele at wordpro.on.ca Thu May 9 11:29:00 2002 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Thu May 9 11:29:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] Moderated Status Message-ID: <02a601c1f776$41a94b20$b710fea9@dansk.ca> Adrian, Can we put thesite back on un-moderated status? Or are we still getting mail bombed? Thanks, Michele (p.s. yeah, I pushed my own messages through ;) From roselli at earthlink.net Thu May 9 12:27:00 2002 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Thu May 9 12:27:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] Moderated Status In-Reply-To: <02a601c1f776$41a94b20$b710fea9@dansk.ca> Message-ID: <200205091715.g49HFmv5016580@leo.evolt.org> > From: "Michele Foster" [...] > Can we put thesite back on un-moderated status? Or are we still > getting mail bombed? [...] erm, i can switch it back... we're still getting some stuff, but some it is caught anyway by the filters (that 'test' address, for one), but i haven't gotten any spam today, just yesterday... anyone else wanna weigh in? > (p.s. yeah, I pushed my own messages through ;) odd, i got no notification it was held... did you get a notification? -- Read the evolt.org case study Usability: The Site Speaks for Itself http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1904151035/evoltorg ISBN: 1904151035 From roselli at earthlink.net Thu May 9 12:27:01 2002 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Thu May 9 12:27:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] Moderated Status In-Reply-To: <02a601c1f776$41a94b20$b710fea9@dansk.ca> Message-ID: <200205091717.g49HHfv5016654@leo.evolt.org> > (p.s. yeah, I pushed my own messages through ;) wait, just came through... two of 'em... that's weird, no delays for thelist notifications... -- Read the evolt.org case study Usability: The Site Speaks for Itself http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1904151035/evoltorg ISBN: 1904151035 From roselli at earthlink.net Thu May 9 12:37:01 2002 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Thu May 9 12:37:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] Moderated Status In-Reply-To: <200205091715.g49HFmv5016580@leo.evolt.org> References: <02a601c1f776$41a94b20$b710fea9@dansk.ca> Message-ID: <200205091736.g49HaPv5017416@leo.evolt.org> sorry, michele, i misinterpreted your post... i thought you meant open to non-member posting... i've switched it to *unmoderated*, but still have it restricted to member posting only... we can change either one based on feedback from thesite... -- Read the evolt.org case study Usability: The Site Speaks for Itself http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1904151035/evoltorg ISBN: 1904151035 From michele at wordpro.on.ca Thu May 9 12:37:03 2002 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Thu May 9 12:37:03 2002 Subject: [thesite] Moderated Status References: <200205091717.g49HHfv5016654@leo.evolt.org> Message-ID: <02b301c1f77f$64c4a240$b710fea9@dansk.ca> I've never gotten a message before .. so, I'm not sure. I've seen a couple having been forwarded to Admin, but I've never received one. Maybe they only get sent to the person that sent the message if its a specific error, i.e. the one that they aren't subbed.. but not if the list in question is locked down. All new to me. Michele ----- Original Message ----- From: "aardvark" | | > (p.s. yeah, I pushed my own messages through ;) | | wait, just came through... two of 'em... | | that's weird, no delays for thelist notifications... From michele at wordpro.on.ca Thu May 9 12:44:01 2002 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Thu May 9 12:44:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] Moderated Status References: <02a601c1f776$41a94b20$b710fea9@dansk.ca> <200205091736.g49HaPv5017416@leo.evolt.org> Message-ID: <02bc01c1f781$11ffc060$b710fea9@dansk.ca> Kewl .. thanks :) Mich ----- Original Message ----- From: "aardvark" | | sorry, michele, i misinterpreted your post... | | i thought you meant open to non-member posting... | | i've switched it to *unmoderated*, but still have it restricted to | member posting only... | | we can change either one based on feedback from thesite... From mwarden at mattwarden.com Thu May 9 13:01:15 2002 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Thu May 9 13:01:15 2002 Subject: [thesite] Moderated Status In-Reply-To: <02b301c1f77f$64c4a240$b710fea9@dansk.ca> Message-ID: it's my understanding that notifications aren't sent to the sender on all lists. thelist, for example, doesn't send out a notification. or, at least, it didn't used to. On May 9, Michele Foster had something to say about Re: [thesite] Moderated... >I've never gotten a message before .. so, I'm not sure. I've seen a couple >having been forwarded to Admin, but I've never received one. Maybe they >only get sent to the person that sent the message if its a specific error, >i.e. the one that they aren't subbed.. but not if the list in question is >locked down. All new to me. -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From dave at worlddomination.net Fri May 10 00:50:00 2002 From: dave at worlddomination.net (David Wagner) Date: Fri May 10 00:50:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] Tip classification update Message-ID: <3CDB5F61.2020108@worlddomination.net> Just a random note: I just dropped the number of "Unclassified" tips down below 1000. Lemme tell ya, it's quite a trip trough history. ("Oh yeah... I remember MacOS 8.") Anyway, this is a general plea to get more folks involved with this process. It's educational *and* fun... kinda like Schoolhouse Rock. The more I do it, the more I see these tips as an extremely valuable part of evolt.org. I'm having (deranged) fantasies of spending many, many hours recategorizing & editing the whole batch & publishing them. Hoo boy, I'm tired. Guess that makes it time to wrap it up for tonight. -- David Wagner dave at worlddomination.net From neuro at well.com Fri May 10 04:02:00 2002 From: neuro at well.com (William Anderson) Date: Fri May 10 04:02:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] Tip classification update References: <3CDB5F61.2020108@worlddomination.net> Message-ID: <053c01c1f801$24610b80$6502a8c0@local.zensoft.net> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Wagner" To: Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 6:49 AM Subject: [thesite] Tip classification update > [snip] > > Anyway, this is a general plea to get more folks involved with this > process. It's educational *and* fun... kinda like Schoolhouse Rock. what's involved, David? -- _ __/| ___ ___ __ _________ "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned \`O_o' / _ \/ -_) // / __/ _ \ for Sega." -- Brodie, 'Mallrats' =(_ _)=/_//_/\__/\_,_/_/ \___/ @ well.com :: William Anderson U - Ack! Phttpt! Thhbbt! http://neuro.wasters.com/ From dmah at shaw.ca Fri May 10 07:54:00 2002 From: dmah at shaw.ca (Dean Mah) Date: Fri May 10 07:54:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] Tip classification update In-Reply-To: <053c01c1f801$24610b80$6502a8c0@local.zensoft.net> Message-ID: <200205101253.g4ACrP801332@alice.monkeyland.ca> William Anderson writes: > From: "David Wagner" > > > [snip] > > > > Anyway, this is a general plea to get more folks involved with this > > process. It's educational *and* fun... kinda like Schoolhouse Rock. > > what's involved, David? You view a tip and then pick the closest category from a pull down list. If you see anything obviously wrong in the formatting, you can change it. If you're interested, let me know and I can set you up. Dean From dmah at shaw.ca Fri May 10 07:57:01 2002 From: dmah at shaw.ca (Dean Mah) Date: Fri May 10 07:57:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] Tip classification update In-Reply-To: <3CDB5F61.2020108@worlddomination.net> Message-ID: <200205101256.g4ACui701342@alice.monkeyland.ca> Thanks for your perserverance. :) I particularly like the Y2K tips. Check out: http://lists.evolt.org/theforumarchive/ There's already been talk about grabbing some of the tips and using them to make a calendar. Michele Foster was looking into it so she can hopefully give you some details on if this project is still in the works. Dean David Wagner writes: > Just a random note: I just dropped the number of "Unclassified" tips > down below 1000. Lemme tell ya, it's quite a trip trough history. ("Oh > yeah... I remember MacOS 8.") > > Anyway, this is a general plea to get more folks involved with this > process. It's educational *and* fun... kinda like Schoolhouse Rock. > > The more I do it, the more I see these tips as an extremely valuable > part of evolt.org. I'm having (deranged) fantasies of spending many, > many hours recategorizing & editing the whole batch & publishing them. > > Hoo boy, I'm tired. Guess that makes it time to wrap it up for tonight. From neuro at well.com Fri May 10 08:40:15 2002 From: neuro at well.com (William Anderson) Date: Fri May 10 08:40:15 2002 Subject: [thesite] Tip classification update References: <200205101253.g4ACrP801332@alice.monkeyland.ca> Message-ID: <06bf01c1f827$7a499460$6502a8c0@local.zensoft.net> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dean Mah" To: Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 1:53 PM Subject: Re: [thesite] Tip classification update > [tip archive snippage] > > You view a tip and then pick the closest category from a pull down > list. If you see anything obviously wrong in the formatting, you can > change it. > > If you're interested, let me know and I can set you up. yup, interested - drop me a mail or i'll be on #evolt -- _ __/| ___ ___ __ _________ "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned \`O_o' / _ \/ -_) // / __/ _ \ for Sega." -- Brodie, 'Mallrats' =(_ _)=/_//_/\__/\_,_/_/ \___/ @ well.com :: William Anderson U - Ack! Phttpt! Thhbbt! http://neuro.wasters.com/ From joel at spinhead.com Fri May 10 09:44:00 2002 From: joel at spinhead.com (Joel Canfield) Date: Fri May 10 09:44:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] Tip classification update Message-ID: > You view a tip and then pick the closest category from a pull > down list. If you see anything obviously wrong in the > formatting, you can change it. > > If you're interested, let me know and I can set you up. > > Dean Hey, I'll bet even *I* could do that. If you hook me up, I'll pretend to be helpful. joel From dmah at shaw.ca Fri May 10 10:26:01 2002 From: dmah at shaw.ca (Dean Mah) Date: Fri May 10 10:26:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] Tip classification update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200205101525.g4AFP0801614@alice.monkeyland.ca> Joel Canfield writes: > > You view a tip and then pick the closest category from a pull > > down list. If you see anything obviously wrong in the > > formatting, you can change it. > > > > If you're interested, let me know and I can set you up. > > > > Hey, I'll bet even *I* could do that. If you hook me up, I'll > pretend to be helpful. Okay, go to: http://lists.evolt.org/~dmah/Private/thetips.cgi Use your weo username and password. Click on the summary link and start with the 'Unclassified' tips. You can also choose to enter a random tip ID into the box and start from there. There's no concurrency control so don't be totally surprised if your changes get overwritten by someone else's. Thanks, Dean From elfur at elfur.is Fri May 10 13:25:01 2002 From: elfur at elfur.is (Elfur Logadottir) Date: Fri May 10 13:25:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] Tip classification update References: <200205101253.g4ACrP801332@alice.monkeyland.ca> Message-ID: <136a01c1f84f$d8a56f70$0100a8c0@DWARFS> From: "Dean Mah" | You view a tip and then pick the closest category from a pull down | list. If you see anything obviously wrong in the formatting, you can | change it. | | If you're interested, let me know and I can set you up. sure Dean, add me to the list thanks elfur From dmah at members.evolt.org Fri May 10 14:05:00 2002 From: dmah at members.evolt.org (dmah at members.evolt.org) Date: Fri May 10 14:05:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] Tip classification update In-Reply-To: <136a01c1f84f$d8a56f70$0100a8c0@DWARFS>; from elfur@elfur.is on Fri, May 10, 2002 at 06:23:55PM -0000 References: <200205101253.g4ACrP801332@alice.monkeyland.ca> <136a01c1f84f$d8a56f70$0100a8c0@DWARFS> Message-ID: <20020510140419.A14133@meo> On Fri, May 10, 2002 at 06:23:55PM -0000, Elfur Logadottir wrote: > From: "Dean Mah" > > | You view a tip and then pick the closest category from a pull down > | list. If you see anything obviously wrong in the formatting, you can > | change it. > | > | If you're interested, let me know and I can set you up. > > sure Dean, add me to the list I've given you access. Same instructions apply. Let me know if you have problems. Dean From djc at members.evolt.org Fri May 10 14:27:04 2002 From: djc at members.evolt.org (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Fri May 10 14:27:04 2002 Subject: [thesite] meo/contribute/ page... Message-ID: <3CDC1EF7.8000108@members.evolt.org> ..needs to be updated with relevant information as i've removed all the links to me or my paypal account. so if there's the desire to accept donations for evolt, that will need to be filled in with relevant information. changes can be run through matt/michele/dean/whoever if/when they're done. thnx Dan From elfur at elfur.is Fri May 10 18:48:59 2002 From: elfur at elfur.is (Elfur Logadottir) Date: Fri May 10 18:48:59 2002 Subject: [thesite] Tip classification update References: <200205101253.g4ACrP801332@alice.monkeyland.ca> <136a01c1f84f$d8a56f70$0100a8c0@DWARFS> <20020510140419.A14133@meo> Message-ID: <152201c1f87d$0907c870$0100a8c0@DWARFS> From: | I've given you access. Same instructions apply. | | Let me know if you have problems. thanks dean. as of now, there are 850 tips uncategorized. but i have a slight problem. tip no. 2798 is giving problems ... closing the form tag of the actual page ... within the tip ... something i think you must look at. cheers elfur From dmah at shaw.ca Fri May 10 20:24:00 2002 From: dmah at shaw.ca (Dean Mah) Date: Fri May 10 20:24:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] Tip classification update In-Reply-To: <152201c1f87d$0907c870$0100a8c0@DWARFS> Message-ID: <200205110123.g4B1NN902651@alice.monkeyland.ca> Thanks. Bug in the scripts. I forgot to escape the < and > characters. Fixed now. Dean Elfur Logadottir writes: > but i have a slight problem. tip no. 2798 is giving problems ... closing > the form tag of the actual page ... within the tip ... > > something i think you must look at. From elfur at elfur.is Fri May 10 21:40:00 2002 From: elfur at elfur.is (Elfur Logadottir) Date: Fri May 10 21:40:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] Tip classification update References: <200205110123.g4B1NN902651@alice.monkeyland.ca> Message-ID: <15c701c1f894$e6072240$0100a8c0@DWARFS> From: "Dean Mah" | Thanks. Bug in the scripts. I forgot to escape the < and > | characters. Fixed now. thanks. i must admit, i'm seriously missing a "Books" category ... thanks elfur (just under 800 left now) From dmah at shaw.ca Fri May 10 22:17:00 2002 From: dmah at shaw.ca (Dean Mah) Date: Fri May 10 22:17:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] Tip classification update In-Reply-To: <15c701c1f894$e6072240$0100a8c0@DWARFS> Message-ID: <200205110316.g4B3GKC03027@alice.monkeyland.ca> I usually just put them under Links/Resources. Dean Elfur Logadottir writes: > From: "Dean Mah" > > | Thanks. Bug in the scripts. I forgot to escape the < and > > | characters. Fixed now. > > thanks. > > i must admit, i'm seriously missing a "Books" category ... > > thanks > elfur > (just under 800 left now) From luminosity at members.evolt.org Sat May 11 05:40:01 2002 From: luminosity at members.evolt.org (Lachlan Cannon) Date: Sat May 11 05:40:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] meo/contribute/ page... (bugs) In-Reply-To: <3CDC1EF7.8000108@members.evolt.org> References: <3CDC1EF7.8000108@members.evolt.org> Message-ID: <1026.139.130.216.191.1021113559.squirrel@members.evolt.org> Shouldn't Gb on the page be GB instead? Also, I believe there are a lot of acronyms on the page which would be tagged up. Aside: Is there some way to get access to these pages if I see things like this that while fine, could do with minor grammatical, or mark-up errors? Just that that would be a lot more efficient than reporting here the errors I see. Thanks Lach From mwarden at mattwarden.com Sat May 11 09:42:00 2002 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Sat May 11 09:42:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] meo/contribute/ page... (bugs) In-Reply-To: <1026.139.130.216.191.1021113559.squirrel@members.evolt.org> Message-ID: On May 11, Lachlan Cannon had something to say about Re: [thesite]... >Shouldn't Gb on the page be GB instead? Also, I believe there are a lot of >acronyms on the page which would be tagged up. > >Aside: Is there some way to get access to these pages if I see things like >this that while fine, could do with minor grammatical, or mark-up errors? >Just that that would be a lot more efficient than reporting here the errors >I see. what people have done in the past is just view source, make the edits, post it somewhere or email it offlist, and the changes are incorporated. if that's not acceptable, i can look for where those files are located and zip them up for you. let me know. thanks, -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From luminosity at members.evolt.org Sat May 11 09:56:00 2002 From: luminosity at members.evolt.org (Lachlan Cannon) Date: Sat May 11 09:56:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] meo/contribute/ page... (bugs) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1024.139.130.216.191.1021128945.squirrel@members.evolt.org> Warden, Matt said: > what people have done in the past is just view source, make the edits, > post it somewhere or email it offlist, to who? > and the changes are > incorporated. Ok, that makes sense. Thanks Lach From mwarden at mattwarden.com Sat May 11 10:31:01 2002 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Sat May 11 10:31:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] meo/contribute/ page... (bugs) In-Reply-To: <1024.139.130.216.191.1021128945.squirrel@members.evolt.org> Message-ID: On May 12, Lachlan Cannon had something to say about Re: [thesite]... >Warden, Matt said: >> what people have done in the past is just view source, make the edits, >> post it somewhere or email it offlist, > >to who? Well, I'll volunteer. mwarden at members.evolt.org Like I said, if you'd rather do it some other way, just let me know. Thanks Lachlan! -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From elfur at elfur.is Sat May 11 11:45:00 2002 From: elfur at elfur.is (Elfur Logadottir) Date: Sat May 11 11:45:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] Tip classification update References: <200205110316.g4B3GKC03027@alice.monkeyland.ca> Message-ID: <162101c1f90a$da07ad90$0100a8c0@DWARFS> From: "Dean Mah" | I usually just put them under Links/Resources. | | Dean yeah, me too, but just thinking how many i've put there lead to me thinking that others must have put a lot more ... thanks elfur From JCanfield at magisnetworks.com Sat May 11 11:48:00 2002 From: JCanfield at magisnetworks.com (JCanfield at magisnetworks.com) Date: Sat May 11 11:48:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] Tip classification update Message-ID: <9C564844426BB945B9AD8FD0106D905D14EAB0@grog> > | I usually just put them under Links/Resources. > | > | Dean > > yeah, me too, but just thinking how many i've put there lead > to me thinking that others must have put a lot more ... 'Resources' is a bit vague, esp. if we end up with too much there. Like when I move and all the boxes are marked 'miscellaneous' As a bibliophile, and as an evolter, I think a category for books is good. We get so many queries re: 'what's the best book on . . .' that we shouldn't make folks wade thru all the resources tips to find 'em. Heck, we should have a page of 'evolt.org recommends' to make it even easier. joel From dmah at shaw.ca Sat May 11 13:18:01 2002 From: dmah at shaw.ca (Dean Mah) Date: Sat May 11 13:18:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] Tip classification update In-Reply-To: <9C564844426BB945B9AD8FD0106D905D14EAB0@grog> from <"JCanfield@magisnetworks.com"@May> Message-ID: <200205111702.g4BH2YA01450@alice.monkeyland.ca> Okay, added. Dean JCanfield at magisnetworks.com writes: > > | I usually just put them under Links/Resources. > > | > > | Dean > > > > yeah, me too, but just thinking how many i've put there lead > > to me thinking that others must have put a lot more ... > > 'Resources' is a bit vague, esp. if we end up with too much there. Like when > I move and all the boxes are marked 'miscellaneous' > > As a bibliophile, and as an evolter, I think a category for books is > good. We get so many queries re: 'what's the best book on . . .' > that we shouldn't make folks wade thru all the resources tips to > find 'em. Heck, we should have a page of 'evolt.org recommends' to > make it even easier. From michele at wordpro.on.ca Sun May 12 08:07:00 2002 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Sun May 12 08:07:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] Moving On Message-ID: <011901c1f9b5$e9821de0$4ca9fea9@dansk.ca> Hey Folks .... As many of you are aware, the past 6-8 weeks have been rather *crazy* for me. I've sold my condo of 10 years, packed up and moved 350 miles (500 km) away from Toronto, my home for all of my life, to start a new life in Ottawa, Canada's national capital. Lots of changes and lots of decisions made. A couple of photos if anyone wants to have a look: with captions, low res. http://members.evolt.org/Mishka/newhome.jpg without captions, high res. http://members.evolt.org/Mishka/newhomelg.jpg Anyway, the purpose of this message is to officially announce that I've decided to leave the "background" of evolt.org. Over the past 17 months, I have seen many changes for evolt.org. Most of them good, and I'm sure there are even better changes to come for the organization. It has been a pleasure (most of the time ;) to be so involved in such a diverse and exciting community. Now, it's time for me to move on, explore my new surroundings, find myself, and build a new life. I'm not sure how involved in web development I'll remain, but there are a lot of side projects I know I want to pursue. Evolt stuff on my m.e.o. account ... http://members.evolt.org/Mishka/ On my site, may be some information that evolt.org wishes to retain and/or use in the future: (1) I would appreciate it if someone copied everything within Tagwear to another location that can be accessed by whomever takes on that project in the future. I spent many hours pulling that information together and scanning product photos; it would be a shame for it to be lost. You will find all files within my Tagwear sub-directory. (2) Codefest: Someone should retain all of those files from the codefest held last fall. (I'll also include the photos on my own server.) (3) CSS Files: All are on teo. No need to copy them from my meo account. In fact, the ones on teo may be more current. (4) AnswerThis: Matt, you can decide if you want the text from those files for any reason. (5) Editor's Guidelines: Admin can decide if they want the version I created and/or also the version Dan created. Both are on my meo account at the moment. (6) Rudy/Jeff: One of you may wish to retain the Category Types file .. it may be needed in the future. I will delete all evolt.org info off of my meo account at the end of this week. On the wiki ... I've deleted my own page. Chris, the QA/QC stuff, I've copied to your page for now. Feel free to do what you like with it. I never did modify it as we had discussed. I'll leave that up to others to do. The three vote results I had looked after have been sent to Elfur to maintain on the secretary's site. I think that's all I have to pass on. If I've forgotten anything, just email me directly and I'll try to find it. I would like to take this opportunity to extend a heart-felt *Thank You* to Dan, Jeff, Matt, Dean, Rudy and Adrian .. for each of you tirelessly, always answering my questions and for teaching me more than I'd ever hoped I would learn about web development, databases and mailing lists. Over the past 17 months I've learned more than I could ever have learned alone or just on thelist and reading the site. I've learned about accessibility, usability, CSS, creating sites that are usable and stylish, best practices for database development, how to think through complex SQL queries, and many other things. All of the knowledge I've gained I owe to each of you mentioned above... and for that, I Thank You. I've had the pleasure of meeting each and every one of you... the last in the list being Jeff last weekend. We've had some great times, we've shared a lot of beers .. and we've shed some tears when our time together has ended. I have unsubbed from all lists (once this message gets through of course ;) [except thelist] .. and I've deleted all passwords and access information to all evolt.org sites (except my meo account). Best wishes and best of luck to everyone. :) Michele From mwarden at mattwarden.com Sun May 12 12:35:00 2002 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Sun May 12 12:35:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] meo/contribute/ page... (bugs) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Your changes have been incorporated, Lachlan. Thanks a lot. Let me know if you need anything else. >On May 12, Lachlan Cannon had something to say about Re: [thesite]... > >>Warden, Matt said: >>> what people have done in the past is just view source, make the edits, >>> post it somewhere or email it offlist, >> >>to who? > >Well, I'll volunteer. > >mwarden at members.evolt.org > >Like I said, if you'd rather do it some other way, just let me know. > >Thanks Lachlan! -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From djc at members.evolt.org Mon May 13 11:24:01 2002 From: djc at members.evolt.org (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Mon May 13 11:24:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] Moving On References: <011901c1f9b5$e9821de0$4ca9fea9@dansk.ca> Message-ID: <3CDFE878.8060304@members.evolt.org> Mich, I think I can speak for a lot of people when I say that evolt will miss the professionalism, enthusiasm, work ethic, and energy that you brought to the table in the various projects you helped out with. You're leaving some really big shoes to fill :) Enjoy the new town(looks beautiful btw!) and the new life you're building! You've taught me a lot of things during the projects we've worked on, and I thank you for that. :) Good luck! Dan Michele Foster wrote: > Anyway, the purpose of this message is to officially announce that I've > decided to leave the "background" of evolt.org. Over the past 17 months, I > have seen many changes for evolt.org. Most of them good, and I'm sure there > are even better changes to come for the organization. It has been a > pleasure (most of the time ;) to be so involved in such a diverse and > exciting community. Now, it's time for me to move on, explore my new > surroundings, find myself, and build a new life. I'm not sure how involved > in web development I'll remain, but there are a lot of side projects I know > I want to pursue. From djc at members.evolt.org Mon May 13 12:41:00 2002 From: djc at members.evolt.org (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Mon May 13 12:41:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] My situation. Message-ID: <3CDFFA92.3070703@members.evolt.org> I had a big long 'typical dan' email written up, but it's length and general cheese factor have led to it's demise and the spawning of a new, shorter, 'kinder gentler' email to explain my situation. I'll try to keep it short, relevant, and emotion-free as possible. The reason. Although I've always invested a huge amount of time into evolt, the last year or so, I've really gotten nothing done, and what I did get done wasn't all that fun. I miss the old days I guess, where if a cool idea surfaced, someone did it, and everyone appreciated it. In the move to a more proccess/structured/business orientated evolt, some of that inevitably gets left behind. I've come to realize in the past couple weeks that I really haven't done shit with my life outside of evolt for the past year, and I don't think its coincidence. My friends and family have seen it too. I'm no longer as excitable or optimistic as I once was (And I am not going to say here its a fault of anyone or anything btw) about a lot of things. I'm way behind the curve in the things I love and do best. I haven't spoken at a professional conference - something I used to do with great frequency - for over a year. Those are among the professional things that I've not done for the past year, and some personal stuff that I won't get into as well. I've also realized that evolt no longer seems to be heading in the direction I set out with over three years ago. I'm not saying this to start a flame war or anything, but all I'm going to say about that is that evolt is *NOT* a business and it shouldn't be run like one. When the Primary focus of evolt stops being whats on the footer of every page, and starts becoming, for example, the process of becoming a Non-For-Profit - something is wrong. I understand the need for accepting donations and that sort of stuff, but evolt is a community based upon its members, and when the people that set direction for that community *stop* relying on its members, and start focusing on the easiest way for corporations to conribute in a tax-free manner, I see that as a prob. You all should realize that someone within the community will always step up to handle whatever it is that you're looking for corporations to provide. And you should embrace that spirit, not ostracize it. I'd also like to point out that I'm not the only one who see's major problems with some things. So, in condensed form: I think its time for me to move on with other projects in my life, although I'll always be extremely proud of where evolt.org was when I left it. That, and not to be an asshole, but dealing with the shit that has been said about me for the last year really starts to get old, and no matter how strong a person anyone may be, it starts to wear on you. Take it how you will, but when the community's biggest, longest, and most adament supporter leaves, there is a problem, whether you're willing to admit that or not. There's a lot I'm leaving out here too. Frankly, I'm happy to be done with the politics, and don't wish to bring up a lot of the things that I'd like to, because it honestly wouldn't do any good. So, thats the reasoning, more or less. The future: I will continue to host evolt.org as it stands untill January 2003. Couple reasons. The biggest being I'm not going to screw all the people (naturally) that depend on evolt.org, many of who I love and respect. A smaller reason: I'm not going to prove the negative people right who said, to paraphrase, "Dan will take his ball and go home", or "He's just in it for the power" (my favorite). Seven months should be a long enough time for you all to decide evolt's next physical home, migrate it there, etc. Of course, I'll do anything to help out on this end when/where it's needed. The administration of the servers, accounts, and pretty much everything else I used to do will need to be handed over to someone as well. Again, I'll do my best to provide a smooth transition to that process. The hardware is something that you'll all have to decide on how to handle. I'm not really interested in keeping any of it except the meo box(sans RAID card) because frankly, thats about $2500 i sank into that box, and I'd like to hang onto it. Again, just let me know what the plan is, or cc me in on any discussion/converstation/decisions or let me know if you need more info on any of that stuff. I'm sure there are some other things that will need to be addressed, so feel free to CC me in on anything and I'll do my best to help out. I'll also continue to correspond, privately and on IRC, with many of you who have over the years become some of my best and most trusted friends. I'm not really looking to debate the issues in this email, and I'd just like to get my feelings out there for once without having them picked apart or counter-defended. I'll also be sending out a farewell message to the other lists to explain(in less detail) whats going on. I hope thats OK. I've known a number of you for over four years, and fuck does time fly. It still amazes me that I was only 22 years old when 'the email' went out. I've shared some births, some seperations, some deaths, some unions - you might recall all the rest - in person and in spirit. It has been a pleasure and honor working with many of you, and I look forward to continuing the friendships that have been built within this community. Although a part of me is sad that it's come to this, I couldn't be prouder of all I've done to help make evolt.org what it is today, and it will serve as one of my - albeit young - life's major accomplishments. Nor could I be more excited to take on some new challenges in my life. I look forward to running into many of you in various places on the 'Net, and wish you all the best in everything you do. :) Your pal, Dan From holographic at members.evolt.org Mon May 13 13:34:00 2002 From: holographic at members.evolt.org (Holographic ..Alan..) Date: Mon May 13 13:34:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] My situation. In-Reply-To: <3CDFFA92.3070703@members.evolt.org> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Dan Even though I have only really started getting involved behind the scenes at evolt for a few months now. I would like to say that I am sure you will be missed by all?.?. Thank you for answering my questions with patience even if they did seem stupid. :) Thanks again DAN Thanks Alan Lloyd http://Liveinthemix.com admin_team at liveinthemix.com - -----Original Message----- From: thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Daniel J. Cody Sent: 13 May 2002 18:41 To: theforum at lists.evolt.org; thesite at lists.evolt.org; admin at lists.evolt.org Cc: djc at members.evolt.org Subject: [thesite] My situation. I had a big long 'typical dan' email written up, but it's length and general cheese factor have led to it's demise and the spawning of a new, shorter, 'kinder gentler' email to explain my situation. I'll try to keep it short, relevant, and emotion-free as possible. The reason. Although I've always invested a huge amount of time into evolt, the last year or so, I've really gotten nothing done, and what I did get done wasn't all that fun. I miss the old days I guess, where if a cool idea surfaced, someone did it, and everyone appreciated it. In the move to a more proccess/structured/business orientated evolt, some of that inevitably gets left behind. I've come to realize in the past couple weeks that I really haven't done shit with my life outside of evolt for the past year, and I don't think its coincidence. My friends and family have seen it too. I'm no longer as excitable or optimistic as I once was (And I am not going to say here its a fault of anyone or anything btw) about a lot of things. I'm way behind the curve in the things I love and do best. I haven't spoken at a professional conference - something I used to do with great frequency - - for over a year. Those are among the professional things that I've not done for the past year, and some personal stuff that I won't get into as well. I've also realized that evolt no longer seems to be heading in the direction I set out with over three years ago. I'm not saying this to start a flame war or anything, but all I'm going to say about that is that evolt is *NOT* a business and it shouldn't be run like one. When the Primary focus of evolt stops being whats on the footer of every page, and starts becoming, for example, the process of becoming a Non-For-Profit - something is wrong. I understand the need for accepting donations and that sort of stuff, but evolt is a community based upon its members, and when the people that set direction for that community *stop* relying on its members, and start focusing on the easiest way for corporations to conribute in a tax-free manner, I see that as a prob. You all should realize that someone within the community will always step up to handle whatever it is that you're looking for corporations to provide. And you should embrace that spirit, not ostracize it. I'd also like to point out that I'm not the only one who see's major problems with some things. So, in condensed form: I think its time for me to move on with other projects in my life, although I'll always be extremely proud of where evolt.org was when I left it. That, and not to be an asshole, but dealing with the shit that has been said about me for the last year really starts to get old, and no matter how strong a person anyone may be, it starts to wear on you. Take it how you will, but when the community's biggest, longest, and most adament supporter leaves, there is a problem, whether you're willing to admit that or not. There's a lot I'm leaving out here too. Frankly, I'm happy to be done with the politics, and don't wish to bring up a lot of the things that I'd like to, because it honestly wouldn't do any good. So, thats the reasoning, more or less. The future: I will continue to host evolt.org as it stands untill January 2003. Couple reasons. The biggest being I'm not going to screw all the people (naturally) that depend on evolt.org, many of who I love and respect. A smaller reason: I'm not going to prove the negative people right who said, to paraphrase, "Dan will take his ball and go home", or "He's just in it for the power" (my favorite). Seven months should be a long enough time for you all to decide evolt's next physical home, migrate it there, etc. Of course, I'll do anything to help out on this end when/where it's needed. The administration of the servers, accounts, and pretty much everything else I used to do will need to be handed over to someone as well. Again, I'll do my best to provide a smooth transition to that process. The hardware is something that you'll all have to decide on how to handle. I'm not really interested in keeping any of it except the meo box(sans RAID card) because frankly, thats about $2500 i sank into that box, and I'd like to hang onto it. Again, just let me know what the plan is, or cc me in on any discussion/converstation/decisions or let me know if you need more info on any of that stuff. I'm sure there are some other things that will need to be addressed, so feel free to CC me in on anything and I'll do my best to help out. I'll also continue to correspond, privately and on IRC, with many of you who have over the years become some of my best and most trusted friends. I'm not really looking to debate the issues in this email, and I'd just like to get my feelings out there for once without having them picked apart or counter-defended. I'll also be sending out a farewell message to the other lists to explain(in less detail) whats going on. I hope thats OK. I've known a number of you for over four years, and fuck does time fly. It still amazes me that I was only 22 years old when 'the email' went out. I've shared some births, some seperations, some deaths, some unions - you might recall all the rest - in person and in spirit. It has been a pleasure and honor working with many of you, and I look forward to continuing the friendships that have been built within this community. Although a part of me is sad that it's come to this, I couldn't be prouder of all I've done to help make evolt.org what it is today, and it will serve as one of my - albeit young - life's major accomplishments. Nor could I be more excited to take on some new challenges in my life. I look forward to running into many of you in various places on the 'Net, and wish you all the best in everything you do. :) Your pal, Dan ________________________________________ evolt.org wiki: http://freezope2.nipltd.net/acorn/evolt/ - ---- For unsubscribe, archive, and options, go to: http://lists.evolt.org/mailman/listinfo/thesite -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPOAHYnlvXNkojnsuEQIVmgCg4T2aZVRsYpagOykaL39942tqCIgAoOli MqsuwSx+oHD6iPjSf5+s+xYI =ytjA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Ron.Luther at hp.com Mon May 13 14:31:01 2002 From: Ron.Luther at hp.com (Luther, Ron) Date: Mon May 13 14:31:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] My situation. Message-ID: <8958135993102D479F1CA2351F370A0602F4B9AE@cceexc17.americas.cpqcorp.net> Hola Dan! Sorry to see you heading for the sunset, kid ... Choose Happiness, Live Large, Live Long and Prosper, May the Hair on Your Toes Grow Ever Longer, ... and all like that there ... ;-) RonL. (Some old fogey who hopes you drop back in from time to time once your spirits are recharged!) -----Original Message----- From: Daniel J. Cody [mailto:djc at members.evolt.org] So, in condensed form: I think its time for me to move on with other projects in my life, From skaiser1 at skdesigns.com Mon May 13 14:57:00 2002 From: skaiser1 at skdesigns.com (Shirley Kaiser, SKDesigns) Date: Mon May 13 14:57:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] Re: [Theforum] My situation. In-Reply-To: <3CDFFA92.3070703@members.evolt.org> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020513125009.01ef57c0@mail.midtown.net> At 10:40 AM 5/13/2002, Daniel J. Cody wrote: >So, in condensed form: I think its time for me to move on with other >projects in my life, although I'll always be extremely proud of where >evolt.org was when I left it. Dan, I wish I could somehow find "the right words" to say. I do want you to know that I've admired what you've done for evolt.org and all that you accomplished and contributed. I've intentionally stayed out of the political stuff in addition to having many nutso things going on in my personal life.... so I've stayed a little quiet for a bit with theforum and the site. I wish you all the best, Dan, and I know it wasn't an easy decision for you to decide to move on. If/when you get out to California, please holler my way -- I'd love to buy you a beer. :-) Thank you, Dan, for everything. Warmly, Shirley -- Shirley E. Kaiser, M.A., SKDesigns mailto:skaiser1 at skdesigns.com Website Design, Development http://www.skdesigns.com/ WebsiteTips: Design Resources http://www.websitetips.com/ Brainstorms and Raves http://www.brainstormsandraves.com/ WaSP Steering Committee http://www.webstandards.org/ From emeyer at lclark.edu Mon May 13 16:05:01 2002 From: emeyer at lclark.edu (Erika Meyer) Date: Mon May 13 16:05:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] Re: My situation. Message-ID: Dan, hopefully you'll be back some time in the future. Erika -- From r937 at interlog.com Mon May 13 17:02:01 2002 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Mon May 13 17:02:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] My situation. Message-ID: <01c1fac9$bf0179c0$46e7059a@rudy> > ... and all like that there ... sounds like don cherry rudy From djc at members.evolt.org Tue May 14 09:58:01 2002 From: djc at members.evolt.org (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Tue May 14 09:58:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] My situation. References: <8958135993102D479F1CA2351F370A0602F4B9AE@cceexc17.americas.cpqcorp.net> Message-ID: <3CE125E8.5020005@members.evolt.org> Hey Ron! It's been a pleasure getting to know you over the years.. Hope the merger sails smooth, and that you'll keep in touch! Dan Luther, Ron wrote: > Hola Dan! > > > Sorry to see you heading for the sunset, kid ... > > Choose Happiness, > > Live Large, > > Live Long and Prosper, > > May the Hair on Your Toes Grow Ever Longer, > > ... and all like that there ... > > ;-) > > > RonL. > (Some old fogey who hopes you drop back in from time to time once your spirits are recharged!) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Daniel J. Cody [mailto:djc at members.evolt.org] > > So, in condensed form: I think its time for me to move on with other > projects in my life, > > ________________________________________ > evolt.org wiki: > http://freezope2.nipltd.net/acorn/evolt/ > ---- > For unsubscribe, archive, and options, go to: > http://lists.evolt.org/mailman/listinfo/thesite From roselli at earthlink.net Tue May 14 22:21:01 2002 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Tue May 14 22:21:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] converting ellipsis on site to valid entity Message-ID: <3CE19B47.17975.23F76DCB@localhost> any chance we can convert all instances of ellipses from the old entity (…) to the new, valid one (…)? is this a big hassle? dunno why i didn't notice until now... -- Read the evolt.org case study Usability: The Site Speaks for Itself http://amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1904151035/evoltorg ISBN: 1904151035 From mwarden at mattwarden.com Tue May 14 22:28:00 2002 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Tue May 14 22:28:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] converting ellipsis on site to valid entity In-Reply-To: <3CE19B47.17975.23F76DCB@localhost> Message-ID: i think dean or another regular expression whiz would have to do his or her replace magic. if no one steps up, i'll look into it, aard. On May 14, aardvark had something to say about [thesite] converting... > >any chance we can convert all instances of ellipses from the old >entity (…) to the new, valid one (…)? is this a big >hassle? > >dunno why i didn't notice until now... -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From roselli at earthlink.net Tue May 14 22:32:00 2002 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Tue May 14 22:32:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] converting ellipsis on site to valid entity In-Reply-To: References: <3CE19B47.17975.23F76DCB@localhost> Message-ID: <3CE19DD8.28448.2401749C@localhost> > From: "Warden, Matt" > > i think dean or another regular expression whiz would have to do his > or her replace magic. > > if no one steps up, i'll look into it, aard. you da man... tanks (and planes)... (looking forward to v3, when we create our *own* DTD) -- Read the evolt.org case study Usability: The Site Speaks for Itself http://amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1904151035/evoltorg ISBN: 1904151035 From r937 at interlog.com Tue May 14 22:49:01 2002 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Tue May 14 22:49:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] converting ellipsis on site to valid entity Message-ID: <01c1fbc3$52b56a60$46e7059a@rudy> > (looking forward to v3, when we create our *own* DTD) not until we first find a new host i plan to bring this up on theforum all those groups and committees are moot no host come january, remember? we have to focus on that, and *only* that From isaac at members.evolt.org Tue May 14 23:00:01 2002 From: isaac at members.evolt.org (isaac) Date: Tue May 14 23:00:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] converting ellipsis on site to valid entity In-Reply-To: <01c1fbc3$52b56a60$46e7059a@rudy> Message-ID: > we have to focus on that, and *only* that I disagree. From dmah at shaw.ca Tue May 14 23:02:00 2002 From: dmah at shaw.ca (Dean Mah) Date: Tue May 14 23:02:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] converting ellipsis on site to valid entity In-Reply-To: <3CE19B47.17975.23F76DCB@localhost> from Message-ID: <200205150401.g4F41Np01588@alice.monkeyland.ca> I've only found one article that has … in it: http://evolt.org/article/Researching_Web_Sites/4090/10485/index.html Did you want ... or . . . replaced as well? Dean aardvark writes: > any chance we can convert all instances of ellipses from the old > entity (…) to the new, valid one (…)? is this a big > hassle? > > dunno why i didn't notice until now... From JCanfield at magisnetworks.com Tue May 14 23:20:00 2002 From: JCanfield at magisnetworks.com (JCanfield at magisnetworks.com) Date: Tue May 14 23:20:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] converting ellipsis on site to valid entity Message-ID: <9C564844426BB945B9AD8FD0106D905D14EAF7@grog> > > we have to focus on that, and *only* that > > I disagree. What's your reasoning, i? Aren't we painting the smokestacks on the Titanic right now? From isaac at members.evolt.org Tue May 14 23:26:00 2002 From: isaac at members.evolt.org (isaac) Date: Tue May 14 23:26:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] converting ellipsis on site to valid entity In-Reply-To: <9C564844426BB945B9AD8FD0106D905D14EAF7@grog> Message-ID: > > I disagree. > > What's your reasoning, i? Aren't we painting the smokestacks on > the Titanic > right now? --- no host come january, remember? we have to focus on that, and *only* that --- personally, i think we can plot the restructure AND consider our hosting options concurrently. we have 7 months. i From roselli at earthlink.net Tue May 14 23:29:01 2002 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Tue May 14 23:29:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] converting ellipsis on site to valid entity In-Reply-To: <01c1fbc3$52b56a60$46e7059a@rudy> Message-ID: <3CE1AA49.15883.24320CF5@localhost> > From: "rudy" > > > (looking forward to v3, when we create our *own* DTD) > > not until we first find a new host > > i plan to bring this up on theforum > > all those groups and committees are moot > > no host come january, remember? > > we have to focus on that, and *only* that we're not one person, though... if some folks still wanna move ahead on plans for v3, not only can it act as a motivating catalyst, but if those people aren't doing anything related to the move, why not let them contribute? i agree, the hosting is the #1 priority, but there's no reason to put everyone in a holding pattern if they have the time or energy... -- Read the evolt.org case study Usability: The Site Speaks for Itself http://amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1904151035/evoltorg ISBN: 1904151035 From roselli at earthlink.net Tue May 14 23:29:03 2002 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Tue May 14 23:29:03 2002 Subject: [thesite] converting ellipsis on site to valid entity In-Reply-To: <200205150401.g4F41Np01588@alice.monkeyland.ca> References: <3CE19B47.17975.23F76DCB@localhost> from Message-ID: <3CE1AA49.5778.24320CC3@localhost> > From: Dean Mah > > I've only found one article that has … in it: > > http://evolt.org/article/Researching_Web_Sites/4090/10485/index.htm > l > > Did you want ... or . . . replaced as well? i meant in the templates... look at the CF that generates the sidebar... every truncated title and [...more] uses the entity... but hey, good to know there's an article we can fix, too... -- Read the evolt.org case study Usability: The Site Speaks for Itself http://amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1904151035/evoltorg ISBN: 1904151035 From mwarden at mattwarden.com Tue May 14 23:34:00 2002 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Tue May 14 23:34:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] converting ellipsis on site to valid entity In-Reply-To: <3CE1AA49.5778.24320CC3@localhost> Message-ID: On May 15, aardvark had something to say about Re: [thesite] converting... >> From: Dean Mah >> >> I've only found one article that has … in it: >> >> http://evolt.org/article/Researching_Web_Sites/4090/10485/index.htm >> l >> >> Did you want ... or . . . replaced as well? > >i meant in the templates... look at the CF that generates the >sidebar... every truncated title and [...more] uses the entity... > >but hey, good to know there's an article we can fix, too... oh, well that's a whole nuther thing. fwiw, i assumed you meant articles too. ya, we can do that. i'll get to it tomorrow. again, unless someone else wants to do it. i dont want to be a little-job-hog or anything. werd, -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From roselli at earthlink.net Tue May 14 23:40:01 2002 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Tue May 14 23:40:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] converting ellipsis on site to valid entity In-Reply-To: References: <3CE1AA49.5778.24320CC3@localhost> Message-ID: <3CE1ADA2.31937.243F215E@localhost> > From: "Warden, Matt" [...] > fwiw, i assumed you meant articles too. cool... i *thought* a regexp seemed like overkill... > ya, we can do that. > > i'll get to it tomorrow. sweet... > again, unless someone else wants to do it. i dont want to be a > little-job-hog or anything. > > werd, bad self. -- Read the evolt.org case study Usability: The Site Speaks for Itself http://amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1904151035/evoltorg ISBN: 1904151035 From sprocket at members.evolt.org Tue May 14 23:43:00 2002 From: sprocket at members.evolt.org (sprocket at members.evolt.org) Date: Tue May 14 23:43:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] converting ellipsis on site to valid entity In-Reply-To: References: <3CE19B47.17975.23F76DCB@localhost> Message-ID: <4.2.2.20020515003115.027a70b0@pop3.norton.antivirus> At 11:27 PM 5/14/02 -0400, Warden, Matt wrote: >i think dean or another regular expression whiz would have to do his >or her replace magic. > >if no one steps up, i'll look into it, aard. > >On May 14, aardvark had something to say about [thesite] converting... > > > > >any chance we can convert all instances of ellipses from the old > >entity (…) to the new, valid one (…)? is this a big > >hassle? I heard somebody say my nam...err, regular expression. Do you think it needs a regex though? A simple find for the old entity and replacement with the new one should be straightforward. If there are multiple old ones to replace with the single new one, then you could do it with a regex or 2+ passes with a straight F&R. Let me know if anyone needs regex help. [irChs]{5} From mwarden at mattwarden.com Thu May 16 21:57:02 2002 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Thu May 16 21:57:02 2002 Subject: [thesite] converting ellipsis on site to valid entity In-Reply-To: Message-ID: so, i didnt' forget about this. i just haven't had time to dig up the ftp password for weo. i was gonna just make the change on teo, but i dunno what else is in progress and not ready to be moved up yet, so i figured i'd download a fresh set of files in another dir, make the changes and reupload. i'll get to it. sorry im slackin :) On May 15, Warden, Matt had something to say about Re: [thesite] converting... >On May 15, aardvark had something to say about Re: [thesite] converting... > >>> From: Dean Mah >>> >>> I've only found one article that has … in it: >>> >>> http://evolt.org/article/Researching_Web_Sites/4090/10485/index.htm >>> l >>> >>> Did you want ... or . . . replaced as well? >> >>i meant in the templates... look at the CF that generates the >>sidebar... every truncated title and [...more] uses the entity... >> >>but hey, good to know there's an article we can fix, too... > >oh, well that's a whole nuther thing. > >fwiw, i assumed you meant articles too. > >ya, we can do that. > >i'll get to it tomorrow. > >again, unless someone else wants to do it. i dont want to be a >little-job-hog or anything. > >werd, > >-- >mattwarden >mattwarden.com > -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From dmah at shaw.ca Fri May 17 12:58:00 2002 From: dmah at shaw.ca (Dean Mah) Date: Fri May 17 12:58:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] converting ellipsis on site to valid entity In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200205171757.g4HHvhl01706@alice.monkeyland.ca> This is done now. I only found it as … in one of the templates. Let me know if I missed any. Dean Warden, Matt writes: > On May 15, Warden, Matt had something to say about Re: [thesite] converting... > > >On May 15, aardvark had something to say about Re: [thesite] converting... > > > >>> From: Dean Mah > >>> > >>> I've only found one article that has … in it: > >>> > >>> http://evolt.org/article/Researching_Web_Sites/4090/10485/index.htm > >>> l > >>> > >>> Did you want ... or . . . replaced as well? > >> > >>i meant in the templates... look at the CF that generates the > >>sidebar... every truncated title and [...more] uses the entity... > >> > >>but hey, good to know there's an article we can fix, too... > > > >oh, well that's a whole nuther thing. > > > >fwiw, i assumed you meant articles too. > > > >ya, we can do that. > > > >i'll get to it tomorrow. > > > >again, unless someone else wants to do it. i dont want to be a > >little-job-hog or anything. From mwarden at mattwarden.com Fri May 17 13:01:00 2002 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Fri May 17 13:01:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] converting ellipsis on site to valid entity In-Reply-To: <200205171757.g4HHvhl01706@alice.monkeyland.ca> Message-ID: On May 17, Dean Mah had something to say about Re: [thesite] converting... >This is done now. I only found it as … in one of the templates. >Let me know if I missed any. > >Dean dean to the rescue once again. thanks, dean-o! -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From roselli at earthlink.net Fri May 17 14:35:07 2002 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Fri May 17 14:35:07 2002 Subject: [thesite] converting ellipsis on site to valid entity In-Reply-To: <200205171757.g4HHvhl01706@alice.monkeyland.ca> References: Message-ID: <200205171934.g4HJYjkx032079@leo.evolt.org> > From: Dean Mah > > This is done now. I only found it as … in one of the templates. > Let me know if I missed any. y'all rock like jefferson starship... thanks. -- Read the evolt.org case study Usability: The Site Speaks for Itself http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1904151035/evoltorg ISBN: 1904151035 From dmah at shaw.ca Sat May 18 13:24:00 2002 From: dmah at shaw.ca (Dean Mah) Date: Sat May 18 13:24:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] Top Tipsters Message-ID: <200205181820.g4IIKTk01410@alice.monkeyland.ca> Congratulations Rudy! You are the top credited tipster with 272 tips. Don't know if that means you post the most offtopic messages to thelist or are the most conscientious tipper. If anyone's interested in the top 10 go to: http://lists.evolt.org/~dmah/tip_stats.cgi?mode=10 If your numbers look off, it could be that some of your tips are not associated with your w.e.o account. Give me your e-mail address and your w.e.o name and I can fix that. Note: this is for entertainment use only. This was not requested, nor approved, by any of the working groups, admin, theforum, etc. This is not an official evolt.org site. Dean From r937 at interlog.com Sat May 18 14:21:01 2002 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Sat May 18 14:21:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] Top Tipsters Message-ID: <01c1fea1$03600a20$c1611dd1@rudy> > Congratulations Rudy! You are the top credited tipster with 272 tips. thanks trying to complement my miserable two red cubes rudy From webguru at vsnl.net Sun May 19 08:14:00 2002 From: webguru at vsnl.net (Madhu Menon) Date: Sun May 19 08:14:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] extra margin around picture Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020519183919.02f6fa70@203.197.12.4> http://www.evolt.org/article/thesite/25/27494/index.html Why is the author bio box so wide? Or is just me? Lemme know if you want a screenshot. Regards, Madhu From evolt at gmx.net Sun May 19 08:27:01 2002 From: evolt at gmx.net (Gijs van Tulder) Date: Sun May 19 08:27:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] extra margin around picture In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020519183919.02f6fa70@203.197.12.4> Message-ID: It's wide in my browser too. I think it's the long author name: (Jaz-Michael King (mynameismonkey)), combined with a table without a width-property set. It just grows to accomodate all text. Gijs -----Original Message----- From: thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thesite-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Madhu Menon Sent: zondag 19 mei 2002 15:10 To: admin at lists.evolt.org Cc: thesite at lists.evolt.org Subject: [thesite] extra margin around picture http://www.evolt.org/article/thesite/25/27494/index.html Why is the author bio box so wide? Or is just me? Lemme know if you want a screenshot. Regards, Madhu From martin at members.evolt.org Sun May 19 17:47:05 2002 From: martin at members.evolt.org (Martin) Date: Sun May 19 17:47:05 2002 Subject: [thesite] Author box - a thought Message-ID: <4184102A-6B7A-11D6-A972-000502172AD3@members.evolt.org> Just something that's occurred to me. In the Author box, there's a field labelled "Articles written". This isn't strictly true - it's articles *currently published*. 'Published' is probably a fair simplification (I've contributed quite a few (mostly jobs) which were later denied when they were no longer valid), but 'Written' clearly should include submitted and unpublished articles, including New, Pending and Denied. Can we change that label? Cheers Martin (163 articles written - 117 currently published) _______________________________________________ email: martin at easyweb.co.uk PGP ID: 0xA835CCCB martin at members.evolt.org snailmail: 30 Shandon Place tel: +44 (0)774 063 9985 Edinburgh, url: http://www.easyweb.co.uk Scotland From mwarden at mattwarden.com Sun May 19 17:53:01 2002 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Sun May 19 17:53:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] Author box - a thought In-Reply-To: <4184102A-6B7A-11D6-A972-000502172AD3@members.evolt.org> Message-ID: On May 19, Martin had something to say about [thesite] Author box - a thought >Just something that's occurred to me. > >In the Author box, there's a field labelled "Articles written". > >This isn't strictly true - it's articles *currently published*. >'Published' is probably a fair simplification (I've contributed quite a >few (mostly jobs) which were later denied when they were no longer >valid), but 'Written' clearly should include submitted and unpublished >articles, including New, Pending and Denied. > >Can we change that label? done on teo -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From webguru at vsnl.net Mon May 20 12:31:07 2002 From: webguru at vsnl.net (Madhu Menon) Date: Mon May 20 12:31:07 2002 Subject: [thesite] Author box - a thought In-Reply-To: <20020520170239.0DBB6C142@relay.evolt.org> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020520225914.01c49a78@203.197.12.4> At 10:32 PM 5/20/2002, Martin "beer slinger" Burns wrote: >This isn't strictly true - it's articles *currently published*. >'Published' is probably a fair simplification (I've contributed quite a >[...] >Can we change that label? While you're technically correct, I don't think many people would be too bothered about the distinction. Just IMHO. Regards, Madhu <<< * >>> Madhu Menon User Experience Consultant e-mail: webguru at vsnl.net From mwarden at mattwarden.com Mon May 20 13:39:01 2002 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Mon May 20 13:39:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] Author box - a thought In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020520225914.01c49a78@203.197.12.4> Message-ID: On May 20, Madhu Menon had something to say about Re: [thesite] Author box... >At 10:32 PM 5/20/2002, Martin "beer slinger" Burns wrote: > >>This isn't strictly true - it's articles *currently published*. >>'Published' is probably a fair simplification (I've contributed quite a >>[...] >>Can we change that label? > >While you're technically correct, I don't think many people would be too >bothered about the distinction. Just IMHO. regardless, it's already done. it took just about as much time as it probably took for you to write that message. thanks, -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From evolt at gmx.net Wed May 22 14:32:01 2002 From: evolt at gmx.net (Gijs van Tulder) Date: Wed May 22 14:32:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] No more received/approved messages? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I didn't get those nice 'Your article has been received' and 'Your article has been approved'-emails since 13 May. Is this a technical problem, or has this been stopped with a reason? Gijs From martin at members.evolt.org Thu May 23 15:47:34 2002 From: martin at members.evolt.org (Martin) Date: Thu May 23 15:47:34 2002 Subject: [thesite] aeo error while replying to mail Message-ID: <0BCD47AC-6E8E-11D6-9355-000502172AD3@members.evolt.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 It worked when I shortened the data quoted from the mail. It would make sense if the max length for the answer reflected the max length for the initial mail form (plus a bit for a response) Cheers Martin __________ Diagnostics: Oracle Error Code = 1704 ORA-01704: string literal too long SQL = "update contact set active = '0', answer = 'Hi Robert Sounds interesting. Evolt.org has quite a few UK-based members, and I''m sure this would be relevant for some of them. If you''d like the event publicised, you can either 1) Submit it as an article at http://evolt.org/article/index.html?action=submit (you''ll need to register first) or 2) Post it to evolt''s discussion list, thelist. (You''ll need to join first - signup at http://lists.evolt.org/mailman/listinfo/thelist) Cheers Martin Burns -on behalf of evolt.org- More questions? http://evolt.org/faq On 23-MAY-02, Robert Stevens(***@*****) wrote: -------------------------------------------- Dear Sir / madam, Please find below an invitation to attend the UK''s first Accessible Multimedia forum. I would be grateful if you could forward this e-mail to members of your organisation who are interested in accessibility issues, multimedia and learning technology. Thank you for your assistance. Robert Stevens An Invitation to attend the Accessible Multimedia Forum Thursday 30 May, 1:30 - 4:30 PM, London W1 More details at www.bunnyfoot.com/forum An introduction to accessible multi-media - demonstrating the benefits to all of this powerful technology. Short talks, demonstrations and Q&A from our speaker panel: Julie Howell - -Campaigns Officer (Accessible Internet) for the Royal National Institute for the Blind. Julie is an active member of the W3C Web Accessibility Initiative, has advised the UK Government on its web design strategy, and worked with one of the world''s most successful e-grocers, Tesco.com, to make its service accessible to disabled customers Fiona Garfield - star of one of BT''s Bringing people together campaign. In the advert, Fiona plays Hannah, a secretary who is deaf, using an office videophone on her first day in a new job. She is using it for a gossipy chat with a friend at home and you know the rest (if not view the accessible video of the advert www.bunnyfoot.com/forum). When not in front of the camera, Fiona is a production manager for Remark, a young, vibrant company dealing with all aspects of television/video production, multi-media and the internet. Terrence Charles-McLean, has an almost unique perspective of how empowering technology can be. Fully sighted until his mid twenties, Terrence suffered a severe head trauma which made him completely blind. During this time he gained expertise in operating a wide range of adaptive technologies. After 13 years, he started to spontaneously regain his sight and now three years later he holds a full UK drivers license. He has incredible insight into the worlds of blind and partially sighted Internet users. Dr Jon Dodd, holds a doctorate in Visual and Computational Neuroscience from Oxford University and is the Technical Director at Bunnyfoot. He is widely experienced at producing accessible sites and advising companies on how to achieve the benefits provided by universal design. He will be demonstrating effective uses of the different multimedia technologies. Robert Stevens, business graduate experienced in working in the American and European technology markets and Commercial Director at Bunnyfoot. He will be talking about how accessibility can be employed to reach international markets through automatic translation and closed captions. Alexander Scott (tbc), head of web design at the Royal National Institute for the Deaf, will be talking about how accessible multimedia files are being used in the www.togetheritworks.org.uk , sponsored by the RNID and Barclays bank. The forum is on Thursday 30 May, 1:30 - 4:30 PM, London W1 More details are available at www.bunnyfoot.com/forum I hope you will be able to attend and look forward to meeting you there. Yours sincerely, Robert. Robert Stevens Bunnyfoot - Usability & Accessibility Specialists Tel: + 44 1235 838514 www.bunnyfoot.com rob at bunnyfoot.com Accessible Multimedia Forum 30 May London W1 Learn something new, meet interesting people Details at: www.bunnyfoot.com/forum' where contactid = '27959'" Data Source = "EVOLT" The error occurred while processing an element with a general identifier of (CFQUERY), occupying document position (6:3) to (6:49) in the template file /home/evolt/admin_html/email/act_show.cfm. * DateTime: Thu May 23 15:42:18 2002 * Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.14; Mac_PowerPC) * Content: #Error.GeneratedContent# * Remote Address: 194.117.133.196 * Refering Document: http://admin.evolt.org/email/index.cfm?action=take&cid=27959 * Template: /home/evolt/admin_html/email/index.cfm * Query String: action=reply _______________________________________________ email: martin at easyweb.co.uk PGP ID: 0xA835CCCB martin at members.evolt.org snailmail: 30 Shandon Place tel: +44 (0)774 063 9985 Edinburgh, url: http://www.easyweb.co.uk Scotland -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (Darwin) iD8DBQE87VT7cegecKg1zMsRAqRiAKC3n9YQ9/cRsEnuGFR6n2dsCaJ9HwCeIYob oIeedMDbhmpUR4bCtthofOQ= =FGLQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mwarden at mattwarden.com Thu May 23 15:57:01 2002 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Thu May 23 15:57:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] aeo error while replying to mail In-Reply-To: <0BCD47AC-6E8E-11D6-9355-000502172AD3@members.evolt.org> Message-ID: On May 23, Martin had something to say about [thesite] aeo error while... >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >It worked when I shortened the data quoted from the mail. It would make >sense if the max length for the answer reflected the max length for the >initial mail form (plus a bit for a response) Martin, it most likely generated an error because it exceeded the database field's size limit. IOW, the code itself isn't setting the max length. Thanks, -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From martin at members.evolt.org Fri May 24 10:12:01 2002 From: martin at members.evolt.org (Martin) Date: Fri May 24 10:12:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] evolt dns is down..? Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Tried pings and traceroutes on meo weo leo deo aeo irc.evolt.org from my own box and from visualroute.com and I'm getting 'unknown host' or 'insufficient IP info cached' on all of them _______________________________________________ email: martin at easyweb.co.uk PGP ID: 0xA835CCCB martin at members.evolt.org snailmail: 30 Shandon Place tel: +44 (0)774 063 9985 Edinburgh, url: http://www.easyweb.co.uk Scotland -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (Darwin) iD8DBQE87hWLcegecKg1zMsRAhXYAJwOrIp2zZoCkmN3cUpyz2AEwvMHXgCfapLd 3Q1/D1OfNkmFKVRcJBOwW+Q= =yIaC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From miriam at members.evolt.org Fri May 24 13:28:01 2002 From: miriam at members.evolt.org (Miriam Frost) Date: Fri May 24 13:28:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] Fw: [Theforum] Once More, with Design Message-ID: <024301c20350$9a462330$79cff3cd@walthers.com> Righty ho, here we go. I posted this to theforum earlier, and we're campin' out here now..... wheeee! Rock on, Miriam OK, I'm going to pick up this ball and see how far I can run. (Well, metaphorically; I've been in front of the computer too long to actually run very far :-/ ) Please note that this is all moot until we figure out where we're gonna host this puppy; however, we may as well start thinking about this again. According to the http://freezope2.nipltd.net/acorn/evolt/FactFindingMission wiki pages, the following people have expressed some interest in helping with information architecture and site design: http://freezope2.nipltd.net/acorn/evolt/AardVark http://freezope2.nipltd.net/acorn/evolt/McCreath http://freezope2.nipltd.net/acorn/evolt/ElfurLogadottir http://freezope2.nipltd.net/acorn/evolt/ErikaMeyer http://freezope2.nipltd.net/acorn/evolt/IsaacForman http://freezope2.nipltd.net/acorn/evolt/JavierVelasco http://freezope2.nipltd.net/acorn/evolt/MadhuMenon http://freezope2.nipltd.net/acorn/evolt/MarleneBruce http://freezope2.nipltd.net/acorn/evolt/MiriamFrost http://freezope2.nipltd.net/acorn/evolt/PeterPaulKoch http://freezope2.nipltd.net/acorn/evolt/TaraCleveland I scanned those quickly; holler if you're not on this list and are supposed to be; holler if you don't really want to work on this. Also, if you can elaborate on your design skill set, that'd be great. Let's get talking. I know that some people prefer to have a separate list; should we do that? Should we not? A while back I threw out an idea about a redesign contest (after we get the specs worked out, natch). That was shot down but never elaborated on. If you think it's a stupid idea, fine; just let's talk about why, and what might work better. It'd certainly get more designers involved in evolt.org and be a neat way to get more visibility etc. (See http://www.monsonboards.com/contest/ for a possible way to structure this.) It'd also be a fair way to avoid a bland "design by committee" look. (Any winning design would be more of the starting point than an end-all-be-all final design. Please take a look at Javi's fabu IA diagram: http://members.evolt.org/mantruc/evolt-ia/ Here are the results from the neato SurveyMonkey Survey taken in January: http://five2one.org/evolt/evoltsurveyresults.html I know I've seen a design proposal somewhere but can't find it. Meanwhile, I'm going to take some of the forms from these excellent ladies http://www.web-redesign.com/index.html and see if I can make a wiki-ish thing that would work for us. All right, off to sharpen my pencils and my crayons. peace out Miriam -- http://www.dynagirl.com crashing the stack since 1971 --- evolt.org wiki: http://freezope2.nipltd.net/acorn/evolt/ - How can you help? http://freezope2.nipltd.net/acorn/evolt/FactFindingMission - I have every intention of helping evolt.org turn into something that doesn't *need* me... From marlene at digitizethis.com Fri May 24 16:02:01 2002 From: marlene at digitizethis.com (Marlene Bruce) Date: Fri May 24 16:02:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] Fw: [xxxxx] Once More, with Design Message-ID: Folks, As requested by Jeff and Matt, discussion about redesigning the evolt.org site will be taking place on thesite list. Since I can't see who is subscribed to this list through the site (why is that?), I'm going to cc this email to everyone listed below (save Miriam) just to make sure they're aware this thread is starting (plus Amanda, in case she's interested). (I'm not suggesting we cc everyone after this email; this cc is just as a heads up...) We're going to be discussing the redesign, starting with IA. To that end, I've started the Information Architecture wiki (based on Javier's page) at http://freezope2.nipltd.net/acorn/evolt/InformationArchitecture. I don't know if this is the best way to organize the IA page for our purposes, but it's a start. At that page you can download Javier's most recent stab at the IA, a sample wireframe page, and review all of the suggestions he'd previously gathered. It'll be helpful if we all review those documents before we start discussing things too in-depth. Javier, would it be okay for me to post the PDF pages as .gif images so they're directly accessible through the IA wiki (rather than having to download the PDFs)? If so, I'll need you to redo and send me the contact wireframe, since most of the numbers on the green circles aren't coming out on the PDF. Cheers, Marlene --------------- Righty ho, here we go. I posted this to theforum earlier, and we're campin' out here now..... wheeee! Rock on, Miriam OK, I'm going to pick up this ball and see how far I can run. (Well, metaphorically; I've been in front of the computer too long to actually run very far :-/ ) Please note that this is all moot until we figure out where we're gonna host this puppy; however, we may as well start thinking about this again. According to the http://freezope2.nipltd.net/acorn/evolt/FactFindingMission wiki pages, the following people have expressed some interest in helping with information architecture and site design: http://freezope2.nipltd.net/acorn/evolt/AardVark http://freezope2.nipltd.net/acorn/evolt/McCreath http://freezope2.nipltd.net/acorn/evolt/ElfurLogadottir http://freezope2.nipltd.net/acorn/evolt/ErikaMeyer http://freezope2.nipltd.net/acorn/evolt/IsaacForman http://freezope2.nipltd.net/acorn/evolt/JavierVelasco http://freezope2.nipltd.net/acorn/evolt/MadhuMenon http://freezope2.nipltd.net/acorn/evolt/MarleneBruce http://freezope2.nipltd.net/acorn/evolt/MiriamFrost http://freezope2.nipltd.net/acorn/evolt/PeterPaulKoch http://freezope2.nipltd.net/acorn/evolt/TaraCleveland I scanned those quickly; holler if you're not on this list and are supposed to be; holler if you don't really want to work on this. Also, if you can elaborate on your design skill set, that'd be great. Let's get talking. I know that some people prefer to have a separate list; should we do that? Should we not? A while back I threw out an idea about a redesign contest (after we get the specs worked out, natch). That was shot down but never elaborated on. If you think it's a stupid idea, fine; just let's talk about why, and what might work better. It'd certainly get more designers involved in evolt.org and be a neat way to get more visibility etc. (See http://www.monsonboards.com/contest/ for a possible way to structure this.) It'd also be a fair way to avoid a bland "design by committee" look. (Any winning design would be more of the starting point than an end-all-be-all final design. Please take a look at Javi's fabu IA diagram: http://members.evolt.org/mantruc/evolt-ia/ Here are the results from the neato SurveyMonkey Survey taken in January: http://five2one.org/evolt/evoltsurveyresults.html I know I've seen a design proposal somewhere but can't find it. Meanwhile, I'm going to take some of the forms from these excellent ladies http://www.web-redesign.com/index.html and see if I can make a wiki-ish thing that would work for us. All right, off to sharpen my pencils and my crayons. peace out Miriam From marlene at digitizethis.com Fri May 24 16:02:04 2002 From: marlene at digitizethis.com (Marlene Bruce) Date: Fri May 24 16:02:04 2002 Subject: [thesite] test Message-ID: From miriam at members.evolt.org Fri May 24 16:28:00 2002 From: miriam at members.evolt.org (Miriam Frost) Date: Fri May 24 16:28:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] Fw: [xxxxx] Once More, with Design References: Message-ID: <034601c20369$a72f2790$79cff3cd@walthers.com> > Since I can't > see who is subscribed to this list through the site Yes, I noticed that too, can we get that changed? Evidently there are about 130 people here... rock on, Miriam -- http://www.dynagirl.com/ Scratchin' in the Glitter Box since 1971! From mwarden at mattwarden.com Fri May 24 16:30:00 2002 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Fri May 24 16:30:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] Fw: [xxxxx] Once More, with Design In-Reply-To: <034601c20369$a72f2790$79cff3cd@walthers.com> Message-ID: On May 24, Miriam Frost had something to say about Re: [thesite] Fw:... >> Since I can't >> see who is subscribed to this list through the site >Yes, I noticed that too, can we get that changed? >Evidently there are about 130 people here... er... you want the subscriber list to be public? -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From miriam at members.evolt.org Fri May 24 16:33:00 2002 From: miriam at members.evolt.org (Miriam Frost) Date: Fri May 24 16:33:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] Fw: [xxxxx] Once More, with Design References: Message-ID: <035601c2036a$5d0ff9e0$79cff3cd@walthers.com> > >> Since I can't > >> see who is subscribed to this list through the site > >Yes, I noticed that too, can we get that changed? > >Evidently there are about 130 people here... > er... you want the subscriber list to be public? Yeah, is that OK? Or do we have to vote on that somewhere else first? ;-)~ From mwarden at mattwarden.com Fri May 24 16:35:00 2002 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Fri May 24 16:35:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] Fw: [xxxxx] Once More, with Design In-Reply-To: <035601c2036a$5d0ff9e0$79cff3cd@walthers.com> Message-ID: On May 24, Miriam Frost had something to say about Re: [thesite] Fw:... >> >> Since I can't >> >> see who is subscribed to this list through the site >> >Yes, I noticed that too, can we get that changed? >> >Evidently there are about 130 people here... > >> er... you want the subscriber list to be public? > >Yeah, is that OK? >Or do we have to vote on that somewhere else first? ;-)~ no, it's not that. but there are a lot of reasons why we don't do that for any of our lists, one being spam reduction. i mean, if we're gonna give our subscriber list away, we should at least make some money off of it! er... -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From marlene at members.evolt.org Fri May 24 16:44:00 2002 From: marlene at members.evolt.org (Marlene Bruce) Date: Fri May 24 16:44:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] Fw: [xxxxx] Once More, with Design In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >no, it's not that. but there are a lot of reasons why we don't do that for >any of our lists, one being spam reduction. TheForum's subscriber list is public. Click on "Visit subscriber list" (second button from the bottom of: http://lists.evolt.org/mailman/listinfo/theforum) I don't really care if the subscriber list here is accessible, but it *would* be handy to know who is subscribed. Cheers, Marlene From mwarden at mattwarden.com Fri May 24 16:51:00 2002 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Fri May 24 16:51:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] Fw: [xxxxx] Once More, with Design In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On May 24, Marlene Bruce had something to say about Re: [thesite] Fw:... >>no, it's not that. but there are a lot of reasons why we don't do that for >>any of our lists, one being spam reduction. > >TheForum's subscriber list is public. > >Click on "Visit subscriber list" (second button from the bottom of: >http://lists.evolt.org/mailman/listinfo/theforum) > >I don't really care if the subscriber list here is accessible, but it >*would* be handy to know who is subscribed. weird. *shrug* adrian handles the lists now, so i guess he should be answering anyways. if he set it up that way for theforum, maybe that's the "new policy" thanks, -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From miriam at members.evolt.org Fri May 24 16:52:01 2002 From: miriam at members.evolt.org (Miriam Frost) Date: Fri May 24 16:52:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] Fw: [xxxxx] Once More, with Design References: Message-ID: <036a01c2036b$32ec0db0$79cff3cd@walthers.com> > no, it's not that. but there are a lot of reasons why we don't do that for > any of our lists, one being spam reduction. Aaaah, right. I thought I had seen that somewhere else on one of the lists. Guess I thought wrong, or that was a while ago. Though it could have been a list minus the e-mails, I dunno. I was also kinda wondering _how many_ people were here, as it's been pretty quiet as of late. Someone said it was about 130. > i mean, if we're gonna give our subscriber list away, we should at least > make some money off of it! Oh, of course, totally. Hey, maybe we could get a new server!! (d00d just kidding, natch.) rock on Miriam http://www.dynagirl.com making the fun go to 11 since 1971 From dmah at shaw.ca Fri May 24 16:57:00 2002 From: dmah at shaw.ca (Dean Mah) Date: Fri May 24 16:57:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] Fw: [xxxxx] Once More, with Design In-Reply-To: <"from marlene"@members.evolt.org> References: Message-ID: <20020524155603.A2466@alice.cg.shawcable.net> On Fri, May 24, 2002 at 02:43:55PM -0700, Marlene Bruce wrote: > >no, it's not that. but there are a lot of reasons why we don't do that for > >any of our lists, one being spam reduction. > > TheForum's subscriber list is public. > > Click on "Visit subscriber list" (second button from the bottom of: > http://lists.evolt.org/mailman/listinfo/theforum) > > I don't really care if the subscriber list here is accessible, but it > *would* be handy to know who is subscribed. I'm surprised that theforum's subscriber list is public. I'd be wont to change that. Is it just out of curiousity that you want to know or are you looking for a specific person? If it's a specific person, I can look them up or create a script that let's you enter an e-mail address and then looks it up. Dean From lists at mantruc.com Fri May 24 16:57:03 2002 From: lists at mantruc.com (javier velasco) Date: Fri May 24 16:57:03 2002 Subject: [thesite] Fw: [xxxxx] Once More, with Design References: Message-ID: <3CEEB718.1050000@mantruc.com> Marlene Bruce wrote: >> no, it's not that. but there are a lot of reasons why we don't do that >> for >> any of our lists, one being spam reduction. > > > TheForum's subscriber list is public. i agree with matt's POV, i think it's not a GoodThing to have theforum subscribers list public -- javier http://mantruc.com From marlene at members.evolt.org Fri May 24 17:12:00 2002 From: marlene at members.evolt.org (Marlene Bruce) Date: Fri May 24 17:12:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] list subscription pages (was: Once More, with Design) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >adrian handles the lists now, so i guess he should be answering anyways. > >if he set it up that way for theforum, maybe that's the "new policy" Somehow doubt he's changed that particular thing (Adrian?), I suspect he inherited it that way. There doesn't seem to be much consistency from one mailing list page to the next. Two have "new" interfaces, two have old. TheChat's page (http://lists.evolt.org/mailman/listinfo/thechat) seems to require logging in before you can access the subscriber list. IOW, I doubt if there even is (or has been) any policy... Marlene From mwarden at mattwarden.com Fri May 24 17:17:00 2002 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Fri May 24 17:17:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] list subscription pages (was: Once More, with Design) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On May 24, Marlene Bruce had something to say about [thesite] list... >>adrian handles the lists now, so i guess he should be answering anyways. >> >>if he set it up that way for theforum, maybe that's the "new policy" > >Somehow doubt he's changed that particular thing (Adrian?), I suspect >he inherited it that way. theforum has always been adrian's baby. thanks, -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From marlene at members.evolt.org Fri May 24 17:21:01 2002 From: marlene at members.evolt.org (Marlene Bruce) Date: Fri May 24 17:21:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] Fw: [xxxxx] Once More, with Design In-Reply-To: <20020524155603.A2466@alice.cg.shawcable.net> References: <20020524155603.A2466@alice.cg.shawcable.net> Message-ID: >Is it just out of curiousity that you want to know or are you looking >for a specific person? When I was composing my first email to this list (today) I wanted to cc a group of people mentioned in the email, but I only wanted to do that if they weren't already subscribed. Back when we had the admin interface I could look up who was on any given list, but that option's not around any more (afaik). So I tried looking a list up through the list sub pages, and coudn't find one. It's not necessary now, it would have only been useful then. Actually, I *can* imagine it being useful again, but I don't think it should be available publicly. Having to submit UN/PW (like on thechat's page) to get a listing would be handy. Marlene From marlene at members.evolt.org Fri May 24 17:37:00 2002 From: marlene at members.evolt.org (Marlene Bruce) Date: Fri May 24 17:37:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] list subscription pages (was: Once More, with Design) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >On May 24, Marlene Bruce had something to say about [thesite] list... > >>>adrian handles the lists now, so i guess he should be answering anyways. >>> >>>if he set it up that way for theforum, maybe that's the "new policy" >> >>Somehow doubt he's changed that particular thing (Adrian?), I suspect >>he inherited it that way. > >theforum has always been adrian's baby. Well I obviously didn't realize that, and theforum's page being that way doesn't make that particular page representative of a "new policy," as any such policy would be for theforum to decide. The fact is that we obviously don't have a uniform policy, as evidenced by all of the inconsistency from one list subscription page to another. We really oughta fix that. (cc'ing theforum...) Cheers, Marlene P.S. For theforum: We're talking about the fact that theforum's subscriber list is freely available through its subscription page, while a subscriber list inquiry requires log-in on thechat, and isn't available at all on the others. Not to mention that the page designs aren't consistent ... and that Dan's email address is listed as the main contact on thesite's main page (not to mention on the meo pages, but there's a whole lotta wrong there)... From dmah at shaw.ca Fri May 24 17:59:00 2002 From: dmah at shaw.ca (Dean Mah) Date: Fri May 24 17:59:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] Fw: [xxxxx] Once More, with Design In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200205242258.g4OMwG302607@alice.monkeyland.ca> Marlene Bruce writes: > >Is it just out of curiousity that you want to know or are you looking > >for a specific person? > > When I was composing my first email to this list (today) I wanted to > cc a group of people mentioned in the email, but I only wanted to do > that if they weren't already subscribed. Back when we had the admin > interface I could look up who was on any given list, but that > option's not around any more (afaik). So I tried looking a list up > through the list sub pages, and coudn't find one. > > It's not necessary now, it would have only been useful then. Okay, gotcha. > Actually, I *can* imagine it being useful again, but I don't think > it should be available publicly. Having to submit UN/PW (like on > thechat's page) to get a listing would be handy. I've changed theforum's subscriber list to require a password. I've left the other lists unchanged for now. Dean From marlene at members.evolt.org Fri May 24 18:17:01 2002 From: marlene at members.evolt.org (Marlene Bruce) Date: Fri May 24 18:17:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] Fw: [xxxxx] Once More, with Design In-Reply-To: <200205242258.g4OMwG302607@alice.monkeyland.ca> References: <200205242258.g4OMwG302607@alice.monkeyland.ca> Message-ID: >I've changed theforum's subscriber list to require a password. I've >left the other lists unchanged for now. > >Dean Great, thanks Dean! Marlene From roselli at earthlink.net Fri May 24 20:07:00 2002 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Fri May 24 20:07:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] list subscription pages (was: Once More, with Design) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3CEEAADC.30407.56FB6041@localhost> > From: Marlene Bruce > > >adrian handles the lists now, so i guess he should be answering > >anyways. > > > >if he set it up that way for theforum, maybe that's the "new policy" > > Somehow doubt he's changed that particular thing (Adrian?), I suspect > he inherited it that way. There doesn't seem to be much consistency [...] inherited it... dan set it up for me when we decided to create it, but i didn't even check to see if it was open... just assumed it was like the others (which were closed)... > IOW, I doubt if there even is (or has been) any policy... still trying to get some feedback on that... -- Read the evolt.org case study Usability: The Site Speaks for Itself http://amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1904151035/evoltorg ISBN: 1904151035 From roselli at earthlink.net Fri May 24 20:09:00 2002 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Fri May 24 20:09:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] Fw: [xxxxx] Once More, with Design In-Reply-To: <200205242258.g4OMwG302607@alice.monkeyland.ca> References: Message-ID: <3CEEAB4B.3291.56FD13EC@localhost> > From: Dean Mah [...] > I've changed theforum's subscriber list to require a password. I've > left the other lists unchanged for now. works for me... i saw no objections, at least... -- Read the evolt.org case study Usability: The Site Speaks for Itself http://amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1904151035/evoltorg ISBN: 1904151035 From neuro at well.com Sun May 26 18:38:09 2002 From: neuro at well.com (William Anderson) Date: Sun May 26 18:38:09 2002 Subject: [thesite] Fw: [xxxxx] Once More, with Design References: Message-ID: <024d01c2050b$311f9e10$6502a8c0@local.zensoft.net> ---- Original Message ---- From: "Marlene Bruce" To: Cc: ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 9:38 PM Subject: [thesite] Fw: [xxxxx] Once More, with Design > Folks, > > [design/ia wiki snippage] > > At that page you can download Javier's most recent stab at the IA, a > sample wireframe page, and review all of the suggestions he'd > previously gathered. definitely interesting - i think responding to suggestions gathered from members and/or casual browsers is such a good call - if any redesign is to take place and gets completed, we should include such suggestions and how we dealt with them in a "remaking of evolt" article :) > It'll be helpful if we all review those documents before we start > discussing things too in-depth. did anyone actually reply to this? I think a lot of the responses I've seen have gotten caught up in stuff about the list subscriber visibility settings. javier's site map graphics are excellent - very clearly showing the structure and some of the logic paths taken through the site. it's good to know we've got stuff like this ;) > Javier, would it be okay for me to post the PDF pages as .gif images > so they're directly accessible through the IA wiki (rather than > having to download the PDFs)? If so, I'll need you to redo and send > me the contact wireframe, since most of the numbers on the green > circles aren't coming out on the PDF. same here with acrobat reader 5 on win2k ... > [snip] > > According to the > http://freezope2.nipltd.net/acorn/evolt/FactFindingMission wiki > pages, the following people have expressed some interest in helping > with information architecture and site design: whoops, forgot to chuck my name on that puppy, and i'm sitting on a plane right now, so can't mod the wiki - consider me interested too. > [snip] > > A while back I threw out an idea about a redesign contest (after we > get the specs worked out, natch). That was shot down but never > elaborated on. If you think it's a stupid idea, fine; just let's talk > about why, and what might work better. I don't - i think it's actually quite a good idea - it'll get all our creative juices flowing and it would also be interesting to see how everyone thinks evolt should look, feel and flow. > It'd certainly get more > designers involved in evolt.org oh totally - definitely a nice bonus. > [snip] > > (Any winning design would be more > of the starting point than an end-all-be-all final design. +1 great work miriam - thanks! -- _ __/| ___ ___ __ _________ "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned \`O_o' / _ \/ -_) // / __/ _ \ for Sega." -- Brodie, 'Mallrats' =(_ _)=/_//_/\__/\_,_/_/ \___/ @ well.com :: William Anderson U - Ack! Phttpt! Thhbbt! http://neuro.wasters.com/ From joshua at alphashop.net Mon May 27 00:06:01 2002 From: joshua at alphashop.net (Joshua Olson) Date: Mon May 27 00:06:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] Tip Harvester References: <024d01c2050b$311f9e10$6502a8c0@local.zensoft.net> Message-ID: <09a601c2053c$1c9f3e10$4300a8c0@client1> Dean, I submitted 2 tips this last week (on the 22nd) and neither showed up in the tip harvester report. What's the deal? -joshua From dmah at shaw.ca Mon May 27 07:25:00 2002 From: dmah at shaw.ca (Dean Mah) Date: Mon May 27 07:25:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] Tip Harvester In-Reply-To: <"from joshua"@alphashop.net> References: <024d01c2050b$311f9e10$6502a8c0@local.zensoft.net> <09a601c2053c$1c9f3e10$4300a8c0@client1> Message-ID: <20020527062403.A1194@alice.cg.shawcable.net> Don't have a ton of time right now. I'll check into it and let you know a little later. Dean On Mon, May 27, 2002 at 01:05:23AM -0400, Joshua Olson wrote: > I submitted 2 tips this last week (on the 22nd) and neither showed > up in the tip harvester report. What's the deal? From dmah at shaw.ca Mon May 27 09:13:00 2002 From: dmah at shaw.ca (Dean Mah) Date: Mon May 27 09:13:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] Tip Harvester In-Reply-To: <"from joshua"@alphashop.net> References: <024d01c2050b$311f9e10$6502a8c0@local.zensoft.net> <09a601c2053c$1c9f3e10$4300a8c0@client1> Message-ID: <20020527080516.A1323@alice.cg.shawcable.net> Okay, I see the problem. You posted two tips in response to "SQL Joins - ANSI 92 syntax", correct? You posted inline and after a '----- Original Message -----' message delimiter. The tip harvester will skip anything after that delimiter because in the majority of cases, that *is* the original message and there's no point in searching it for tips or you may get duplicates. I'll add your two tips. Dean On Mon, May 27, 2002 at 01:05:23AM -0400, Joshua Olson wrote: > I submitted 2 tips this last week (on the 22nd) and neither showed > up in the tip harvester report. What's the deal? > > -joshua From joshua at alphashop.net Mon May 27 09:21:01 2002 From: joshua at alphashop.net (Joshua Olson) Date: Mon May 27 09:21:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] Tip Harvester References: <024d01c2050b$311f9e10$6502a8c0@local.zensoft.net> <09a601c2053c$1c9f3e10$4300a8c0@client1> <20020527080516.A1323@alice.cg.shawcable.net> Message-ID: <09c901c20589$94aded00$4300a8c0@client1> Dean, Okay, that makes sense in a manner of thinking. I'll keep that in mind. -joshua ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dean Mah" > Okay, I see the problem. You posted two tips in response to "SQL > Joins - ANSI 92 syntax", correct? > > You posted inline and after a '----- Original Message -----' message > delimiter. The tip harvester will skip anything after that delimiter > because in the majority of cases, that *is* the original message and > there's no point in searching it for tips or you may get duplicates. From luminosity at members.evolt.org Tue May 28 06:54:01 2002 From: luminosity at members.evolt.org (Lachlan Cannon) Date: Tue May 28 06:54:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] meo / webmail bugs Message-ID: <1026.139.130.216.191.1022586831.squirrel@members.evolt.org> Whenever I try to view any emails in my 'thechat' folder, meo webmail stops working - nothing loads, until the next login. I can't even delete the messages. This started happening yesterday. Also, while I'm on that topic, meo webmail has always got slashes delimiting quotes, slashes in mails - an extra stripslashes needs to be added somewhere. Ahh, and on an unrelated to meo webmail note - php isn't connecting to mysql in one of my files. I'm trying to get my template file to read the css files from mysql for insertion into the template, and the db is connecting but not selecting the db, even though it's the same code I use everywhere else - php bug, or something else? Thanks Lach -------------------------------------- http://members.evolt.org/luminosity/ MSN: luminosity @ members.evolt.org -------------------------------------- From dmah at shaw.ca Tue May 28 09:32:01 2002 From: dmah at shaw.ca (Dean Mah) Date: Tue May 28 09:32:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] meo / webmail bugs In-Reply-To: <1026.139.130.216.191.1022586831.squirrel@members.evolt.org> Message-ID: <200205281431.g4SEV3A01379@alice.monkeyland.ca> Stupid question, how do you get to meo webmail? It's probably one of the messages that's messing up the interface. Do you remember the last message that you were able to read? As for the PHP and MySQL problem, I'd assume that there is something wrong with your file if you use the same code in other places successfully. Does PHP return a database error message saying why it could not connect? Try paring down your file into just the database routines and debug that portion. Dean Lachlan Cannon writes: > Whenever I try to view any emails in my 'thechat' folder, meo > webmail stops working - nothing loads, until the next login. I can't > even delete the messages. This started happening yesterday. > > Also, while I'm on that topic, meo webmail has always got slashes > delimiting quotes, slashes in mails - an extra stripslashes needs to > be added somewhere. > > Ahh, and on an unrelated to meo webmail note - php isn't connecting > to mysql in one of my files. I'm trying to get my template file to > read the css files from mysql for insertion into the template, and > the db is connecting but not selecting the db, even though it's the > same code I use everywhere else - php bug, or something else? From luminosity at members.evolt.org Tue May 28 17:34:00 2002 From: luminosity at members.evolt.org (Lachlan Cannon) Date: Tue May 28 17:34:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] meo / webmail bugs In-Reply-To: <200205281431.g4SEV3A01379@alice.monkeyland.ca> References: <200205281431.g4SEV3A01379@alice.monkeyland.ca> Message-ID: <1755.203.36.248.250.1022625224.squirrel@members.evolt.org> Dean Mah said: > Stupid question, how do you get to meo webmail? Do you mean http://members.evolt.org/email/ ? It's probably one of > the messages that's messing up the interface. Do you remember the > last message that you were able to read? The last message I was able to read was one of those in the 'can't we all just get along' thread. The problem also cropped up for the first time after reading the next one in that thread. > As for the PHP and MySQL problem, I'd assume that there is something > wrong with your file if you use the same code in other places > successfully. Does PHP return a database error message saying why it > could not connect? Try paring down your file into just the database > routines and debug that portion. Alas, I don't get errors in php. Even when I set error_reporting(E_ALL); at th top of a file, and put in something wrong deliberately, I don't get any errors. Weeird. Anyway, by use of 'or die()' I've managed to get it down to the mysql_select_db that isn't working - I tried rewriting the whole db section, but it still didn't work at all. Thanks Lach -------------------------------------- http://members.evolt.org/luminosity/ MSN: luminosity @ members.evolt.org -------------------------------------- > Dean > > > Lachlan Cannon writes: > >> Whenever I try to view any emails in my 'thechat' folder, meo >> webmail stops working - nothing loads, until the next login. I can't >> even delete the messages. This started happening yesterday. >> >> Also, while I'm on that topic, meo webmail has always got slashes >> delimiting quotes, slashes in mails - an extra stripslashes needs to >> be added somewhere. >> >> Ahh, and on an unrelated to meo webmail note - php isn't connecting >> to mysql in one of my files. I'm trying to get my template file to >> read the css files from mysql for insertion into the template, and the >> db is connecting but not selecting the db, even though it's the same >> code I use everywhere else - php bug, or something else? From lists at mantruc.com Tue May 28 17:49:01 2002 From: lists at mantruc.com (javier velasco) Date: Tue May 28 17:49:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] meo / webmail bugs References: <200205281431.g4SEV3A01379@alice.monkeyland.ca> <1755.203.36.248.250.1022625224.squirrel@members.evolt.org> Message-ID: <3CF40932.7010109@mantruc.com> Lachlan Cannon wrote: > Dean Mah said: > >>Stupid question, how do you get to meo webmail? >> > > Do you mean http://members.evolt.org/email/ ? wow, i didn't know that even existed: bravo! -- javier http://mantruc.com From mwarden at mattwarden.com Tue May 28 18:22:00 2002 From: mwarden at mattwarden.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Tue May 28 18:22:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] meo / webmail bugs In-Reply-To: <1755.203.36.248.250.1022625224.squirrel@members.evolt.org> Message-ID: On May 29, Lachlan Cannon had something to say about Re: [thesite] meo /... >Alas, I don't get errors in php. Even when I set error_reporting(E_ALL); at >th top of a file, and put in something wrong deliberately, I don't get any >errors. Weeird. Anyway, by use of 'or die()' I've managed to get it down to >the mysql_select_db that isn't working - I tried rewriting the whole db >section, but it still didn't work at all. try: or die(mysql_error()); thanks, -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From djc at members.evolt.org Wed May 29 00:31:00 2002 From: djc at members.evolt.org (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Wed May 29 00:31:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] t.e.o DB Message-ID: <3CF466F5.6000705@members.evolt.org> the test.evolt.org DB has the priviledge of sitting on its own physical box atm, a box which used to be the live DB for evolt.org untill a dedicated box arrived.. that db, which sits on ora.starkmedia.com, needs to be moved off either to another evolt.org machine, or to the live oracle evolt.org DB box. exporting the t.e.o DB onto another machine(like the live one) wouldn't be too difficult. i'm sorry, but this is just another service i provided that needs to get moved somewhere else. From luminosity at members.evolt.org Wed May 29 06:14:01 2002 From: luminosity at members.evolt.org (Lachlan Cannon) Date: Wed May 29 06:14:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] meo / webmail bugs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1027.139.130.216.191.1022670841.squirrel@members.evolt.org> Warden, Matt said: > try: > > or die(mysql_error()); > > thanks, I'd love to... ftp ain't connecting. "It never rains, but it pours." 'What, a jug?' Lach -------------------------------------- http://members.evolt.org/luminosity/ MSN: luminosity @ members.evolt.org -------------------------------------- From dmah at shaw.ca Wed May 29 08:02:03 2002 From: dmah at shaw.ca (Dean Mah) Date: Wed May 29 08:02:03 2002 Subject: [thesite] meo / webmail bugs In-Reply-To: <"from luminosity"@members.evolt.org> References: <1027.139.130.216.191.1022670841.squirrel@members.evolt.org> Message-ID: <20020529070137.A1181@alice.cg.shawcable.net> On Wed, May 29, 2002 at 09:14:01PM +1000, Lachlan Cannon wrote: > Warden, Matt said: > > try: > > > > or die(mysql_error()); > > > > thanks, > > I'd love to... ftp ain't connecting. "It never rains, but it pours." > 'What, a jug?' Please try FTP now. I'm still looking at the e-mail code. It's a feature that I am unfamiliar with and I'm still evaluating the problem. Thanks, Dean From luminosity at members.evolt.org Thu May 30 02:02:01 2002 From: luminosity at members.evolt.org (Lachlan Cannon) Date: Thu May 30 02:02:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] meo / webmail bugs In-Reply-To: <20020529070137.A1181@alice.cg.shawcable.net> References: <20020529070137.A1181@alice.cg.shawcable.net> Message-ID: <1027.139.130.216.191.1022742071.squirrel@members.evolt.org> Dean Mah said: > On Wed, May 29, 2002 at 09:14:01PM +1000, Lachlan Cannon wrote: >> Warden, Matt said: >> > try: >> > >> > or die(mysql_error()); >> > >> > thanks, >> >> I'd love to... ftp ain't connecting. "It never rains, but it pours." >> 'What, a jug?' > > Please try FTP now. mysql error: "Access denied for user: '@localhost' to database 'luminosity'" > I'm still looking at the e-mail code. It's a feature that I am > unfamiliar with and I'm still evaluating the problem. That's cool. At least you're working on it, and I know how much other stuff you're up to at the moment. Thanks Lach -------------------------------------- http://members.evolt.org/luminosity/ MSN: luminosity @ members.evolt.org -------------------------------------- From marlene at digitizethis.com Fri May 31 05:25:00 2002 From: marlene at digitizethis.com (Marlene Bruce) Date: Fri May 31 05:25:00 2002 Subject: [thesite] why join, act II Message-ID: Hey folks, I was just perusing old emails, and realized something Michele said she'd take care of seems to have been sidestepped. Here's the email I sent back on January 13: ----- Hey all, http://evolt.org/user/index.html?action=signup I believe in some former incarnation, this page answered the question, "Why join?" We need to put that info back in, and at the top above the form fields. If I were a new visitor who happened to click the "Join" link and got this page, I wouldn't have any idea why joining would be of benefit to me. As it is right now this is a barrier to membership. Marlene ----- I checked just now and instead of being fixed, all that really happened is that the "Why join?" link in the Log In area was simply removed. Can someone locate the page in its former incarnation and reinsert the text at the top of the current page? Do you need new text? Thanks, Marlene P.S. A number of other things mentioned around that same time DID get acted on, which was great. I just think this is important enough to revisit. From marlene at members.evolt.org Fri May 31 13:37:03 2002 From: marlene at members.evolt.org (Marlene Bruce) Date: Fri May 31 13:37:03 2002 Subject: [thesite] Re: [admin] Mail Alert! - Fri May 31 28693 In-Reply-To: <200205311708.g4VH8lxX000409@leo.evolt.org> References: <200205311708.g4VH8lxX000409@leo.evolt.org> Message-ID: Hey, anyone know what this is all about? His original note: http://lists.evolt.org/adminarchive/Week-of-Mon-20020527/013121.html This needs attention ASAP. In the meantime, I'm responding to Bobby (fusion) to let him know we're looking into it. Thanks, Marlene ----- >There is a mail message on the evolt site- >From: fusion >Date: 31-May-02 12:09 PM CST >Answer at: http://admin.evolt.org/email/index.cfm?action=detail&cid=28693 > >UA: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0) >IP: 207.140.76.7 >From: http://evolt.org/category/all/index.html?cfid=1441674&cftoken=80341428 > >Message: > >I really appreciate the ineptitude displayed concerning my account. >Someone disabled my account, then apparently deleted its contents, >even though I contacted "evolt" within moments of the site going >down. I merely wanted an opportunity to pull my site from your >server, but I wasn't given the opportunity to do so. > >I have been a member of evolt for a little over a year now, and this >is by far the worst handling of a situation I can remember. Dan was >always very helpful in all my dealings with him. Within weeks of his >departure, I am treated with a complete disregard for >professionalism. > >I sincerely hope that you treat your remaining members with a much >more refined level of respect than what you have shown to me. > >Would someone please answer it? Thank you sexily. > > >___________________________________________________ >sure, it can scale up if need be, >but it needs to suck ass first From dmah at shaw.ca Fri May 31 15:56:01 2002 From: dmah at shaw.ca (Dean Mah) Date: Fri May 31 15:56:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] meo / webmail bugs In-Reply-To: <1027.139.130.216.191.1022742071.squirrel@members.evolt.org> Message-ID: <200205312051.g4VKpgg02354@alice.monkeyland.ca> Lachlan Cannon writes: > Dean Mah said: > > > I'm still looking at the e-mail code. It's a feature that I am > > unfamiliar with and I'm still evaluating the problem. > > That's cool. At least you're working on it, and I know how much other stuff > you're up to at the moment. I think that I've got this working now. Take a gander and let me know if you still have problems. Dean From luminosity at members.evolt.org Fri May 31 23:49:01 2002 From: luminosity at members.evolt.org (Lachlan Cannon) Date: Fri May 31 23:49:01 2002 Subject: [thesite] meo / webmail bugs In-Reply-To: <200205312051.g4VKpgg02354@alice.monkeyland.ca> References: <200205312051.g4VKpgg02354@alice.monkeyland.ca> Message-ID: <1028.139.130.216.191.1022906894.squirrel@members.evolt.org> Dean Mah said: > I think that I've got this working now. Take a gander and let me know > if you still have problems. It's working a charm. Thanks Dean. Lach -------------------------------------- http://members.evolt.org/luminosity/ MSN: luminosity @ members.evolt.org --------------------------------------