From lists at neptunewebworks.com Mon Feb 20 02:30:17 2006 From: lists at neptunewebworks.com (Max Schwanekamp) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 00:30:17 -0800 Subject: [thesite] Commenting on tips from thelist? Message-ID: <43F97E19.2030809@neptunewebworks.com> Hello all, First post to this list. Can anyone tell me why comments are disabled for the tips harvested from thelist...? -- Max Schwanekamp http://www.neptunewebworks.com/ From john at userfrenzy.com Mon Feb 20 02:44:23 2006 From: john at userfrenzy.com (John Handelaar) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 08:44:23 +0000 Subject: [thesite] Commenting on tips from thelist? In-Reply-To: <43F97E19.2030809@neptunewebworks.com> References: <43F97E19.2030809@neptunewebworks.com> Message-ID: <43F98167.5010407@userfrenzy.com> Max Schwanekamp wrote: > Hello all, > > First post to this list. Can anyone tell me why comments are disabled > for the tips harvested from thelist...? They're not actually in the main site, afaik, so it's not that they're disabled. Rather that LEO doesn't have a commenting mechanism. Yes, since we now use Drupal, it might be an idea to create a new node type for them and move them into the main site. We could start a conversation about *that* maybe... jh From lists at neptunewebworks.com Mon Feb 20 03:12:09 2006 From: lists at neptunewebworks.com (Max Schwanekamp) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 01:12:09 -0800 Subject: [thesite] Commenting on tips from thelist? In-Reply-To: <43F98167.5010407@userfrenzy.com> References: <43F97E19.2030809@neptunewebworks.com> <43F98167.5010407@userfrenzy.com> Message-ID: <43F987E9.2070804@neptunewebworks.com> John Handelaar wrote: > Max Schwanekamp wrote: >>Can anyone tell me why comments are disabled >>for the tips harvested from thelist...? > > They're not actually in the main site, afaik, > so it's not that they're disabled. Rather that > LEO doesn't have a commenting mechanism. Derr, I spose one look at the URL for the tip harvest woulda told me that. > Yes, since we now use Drupal, it might be an idea > to create a new node type for them and move them > into the main site. Good idea. > We could start a conversation about *that* maybe... Well, why not? There are some occasional gems in the tips, and it would be nice if those coming to them long after the current week has come and gone would be able to comment. Of course, having not been involved with any of the Drupal transition, I'm not sure what the time cost would be compared to the modest benefit doing this would achieve. Anyone care to comment? -- Max Schwanekamp http://www.neptunewebworks.com/ From john at userfrenzy.com Mon Feb 20 03:28:13 2006 From: john at userfrenzy.com (John Handelaar) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 09:28:13 +0000 Subject: [thesite] Commenting on tips from thelist? In-Reply-To: <43F987E9.2070804@neptunewebworks.com> References: <43F97E19.2030809@neptunewebworks.com> <43F98167.5010407@userfrenzy.com> <43F987E9.2070804@neptunewebworks.com> Message-ID: <43F98BAD.2040106@userfrenzy.com> Max Schwanekamp wrote: >>Yes, since we now use Drupal, it might be an idea >>to create a new node type for them and move them >>into the main site. > > Good idea. > >>We could start a conversation about *that* maybe... > > Well, why not? There are some occasional gems in the tips, and it would > be nice if those coming to them long after the current week has come and > gone would be able to comment. Of course, having not been involved with > any of the Drupal transition, I'm not sure what the time cost would be > compared to the modest benefit doing this would achieve. Anyone care to > comment? I'll defer to Dean, since this is very much his baby. Knocking up a content type is simple enough but I'll need him to suggest a schema for it. In reverse, I can provide a very precise chain of DB events required to insert new tips without b0rking the site. jh From dean.mah at gmail.com Mon Feb 20 08:48:14 2006 From: dean.mah at gmail.com (Dean Mah) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 07:48:14 -0700 Subject: [thesite] Commenting on tips from thelist? In-Reply-To: <43F98BAD.2040106@userfrenzy.com> References: <43F97E19.2030809@neptunewebworks.com> <43F98167.5010407@userfrenzy.com> <43F987E9.2070804@neptunewebworks.com> <43F98BAD.2040106@userfrenzy.com> Message-ID: <43F9D6AE.6000508@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 John Handelaar wrote: > Max Schwanekamp wrote: >>> Yes, since we now use Drupal, it might be an idea >>> to create a new node type for them and move them >>> into the main site. >> Good idea. >> >>> We could start a conversation about *that* maybe... >> Well, why not? There are some occasional gems in the tips, and it would >> be nice if those coming to them long after the current week has come and >> gone would be able to comment. Of course, having not been involved with >> any of the Drupal transition, I'm not sure what the time cost would be >> compared to the modest benefit doing this would achieve. Anyone care to >> comment? > > I'll defer to Dean, since this is very much his baby. > > Knocking up a content type is simple enough but > I'll need him to suggest a schema for it. > > In reverse, I can provide a very precise chain of DB > events required to insert new tips without b0rking > the site. Just let me know what needs to be done/changed. One thing to note is that tip authors may not have www.evolt.org accounts and they may not even be subscribed to thelist. Currently there is only one table that contains all of the tips and looks like: tipid int(11) # sequence number messageid int(11) # foreign key back to thelist table tip_date datetime # date grabbed from e-mail header tip_type_id int(11) # canonical tip type (deprecated) author_id int(11) # foreign key back to old users table attrib_type varchar(255) # given tip type attrib_author varchar(255) # author (given or take from header) tip_body longtext # the tip It would be nice if tips could have multiple "types" or that they could be "tagged", as the kids say. Since we have access to the "users" table, we could start re-associating tips with their weo ID. Tip type is not used anymore because I don't bother categorizing them anymore. Dean -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (MingW32) iD8DBQFD+dauiM6T3GNfj8ERAg2pAJ9fTF6/sno23S9QnAyrilSIChhGxACfay5q OFCZUftL+W3iybF2k7e7sBw= =ooZp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From john at userfrenzy.com Mon Feb 20 09:44:30 2006 From: john at userfrenzy.com (John Handelaar) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 15:44:30 +0000 Subject: [thesite] Commenting on tips from thelist? In-Reply-To: <43F9D6AE.6000508@gmail.com> References: <43F97E19.2030809@neptunewebworks.com> <43F98167.5010407@userfrenzy.com> <43F987E9.2070804@neptunewebworks.com> <43F98BAD.2040106@userfrenzy.com> <43F9D6AE.6000508@gmail.com> Message-ID: <43F9E3DE.2060107@userfrenzy.com> Dean Mah wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Just let me know what needs to be done/changed. One thing to note is > that tip authors may not have www.evolt.org accounts and they may not > even be subscribed to thelist. OK I'll work this out tomorrow when I've managed to have some sleep, unlike today. jh From rudy937 at rogers.com Mon Feb 20 11:21:29 2006 From: rudy937 at rogers.com (rudy) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 12:21:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: [thesite] Commenting on tips from thelist? In-Reply-To: <43F9D6AE.6000508@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060220172129.25581.qmail@web88007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Dean Mah wrote: > It would be nice if tips could have multiple "types" > or that they could be "tagged", as the kids say. hey dean, how are you? how come i'm getting mail? i thought for sure i had unsubscribed from all evolt lists back in october 2003, but maybe i missed this one anyway, nice to see an old name from the past are you still in touch with dan? if so please tell him i need to talk to him, he isn't answering my emails (not that i have been too persistent, though) best regards rudy From lists at neptunewebworks.com Mon Feb 20 11:37:57 2006 From: lists at neptunewebworks.com (Max Schwanekamp) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 09:37:57 -0800 Subject: [thesite] Commenting on tips from thelist? In-Reply-To: <43F9D6AE.6000508@gmail.com> References: <43F97E19.2030809@neptunewebworks.com> <43F98167.5010407@userfrenzy.com> <43F987E9.2070804@neptunewebworks.com> <43F98BAD.2040106@userfrenzy.com> <43F9D6AE.6000508@gmail.com> Message-ID: <43F9FE75.2000207@neptunewebworks.com> Dean Mah wrote: > It would be nice if tips could have multiple "types" or that they could > be "tagged", as the kids say. Since we have access to the "users" > table, we could start re-associating tips with their weo ID. Tip type > is not used anymore because I don't bother categorizing them anymore. Is there an "anonymous" account to use as a default? I found that useful on a Drupal site being transitioned from an old static one. The tip "type" value as used on the list is really just a title for the tip, and thus would be the title field for the post in Drupal. Though occasionally the tip author does not include it... -- Max Schwanekamp http://www.neptunewebworks.com/ From dean.mah at gmail.com Mon Feb 20 12:10:20 2006 From: dean.mah at gmail.com (Dean Mah) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:10:20 -0700 Subject: [thesite] Commenting on tips from thelist? In-Reply-To: <43F9FE75.2000207@neptunewebworks.com> References: <43F97E19.2030809@neptunewebworks.com> <43F98167.5010407@userfrenzy.com> <43F987E9.2070804@neptunewebworks.com> <43F98BAD.2040106@userfrenzy.com> <43F9D6AE.6000508@gmail.com> <43F9FE75.2000207@neptunewebworks.com> Message-ID: <43FA060C.9050705@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Max Schwanekamp wrote: > Dean Mah wrote: >> It would be nice if tips could have multiple "types" or that they could >> be "tagged", as the kids say. Since we have access to the "users" >> table, we could start re-associating tips with their weo ID. Tip type >> is not used anymore because I don't bother categorizing them anymore. > > Is there an "anonymous" account to use as a default? I found that > useful on a Drupal site being transitioned from an old static one. It would be nice if the original author could get credit for the tip. So even if they didn't have an account in Drupal, it would be nice to at least link their e-mail address or e-mail name as the author. This would likely mean adding new Drupal accounts dynamically and could cause a mess.... > The tip "type" value as used on the list is really just a title for the > tip, and thus would be the title field for the post in Drupal. Though > occasionally the tip author does not include it... The attrib_type (which should be the title) defaults to "Unclassified". Depending on the tip, I go in and set it to something. Dean -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (MingW32) iD8DBQFD+gYMiM6T3GNfj8ERAg0/AKCQTrf9AByxqi4d+pngxJqwZ8aD8QCgiSY7 4UmIf44DPo6b96Ci+MQOkQ8= =iLPd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From martin at thoughtguy.com Mon Feb 20 11:51:18 2006 From: martin at thoughtguy.com (Martin Kuplens-Ewart) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 12:51:18 -0500 Subject: [thesite] Commenting on tips from thelist? In-Reply-To: <20060220172129.25581.qmail@web88007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <20060220172129.25581.qmail@web88007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43FA0196.2020206@thoughtguy.com> rudy wrote: > how come i'm getting mail? > > i thought for sure i had unsubscribed from all evolt > lists back in october 2003, but maybe i missed this > one > I had unsubscribed to; looks like someone reloaded an ancient subscriber database? -m From lists at neptunewebworks.com Mon Feb 20 12:31:30 2006 From: lists at neptunewebworks.com (Max Schwanekamp) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 10:31:30 -0800 Subject: [thesite] Commenting on tips from thelist? In-Reply-To: <43FA060C.9050705@gmail.com> References: <43F97E19.2030809@neptunewebworks.com> <43F98167.5010407@userfrenzy.com> <43F987E9.2070804@neptunewebworks.com> <43F98BAD.2040106@userfrenzy.com> <43F9D6AE.6000508@gmail.com> <43F9FE75.2000207@neptunewebworks.com> <43FA060C.9050705@gmail.com> Message-ID: <43FA0B02.1080707@neptunewebworks.com> Dean Mah wrote: >>Is there an "anonymous" account to use as a default? I found that >>useful on a Drupal site being transitioned from an old static one. > > It would be nice if the original author could get credit for the tip. > So even if they didn't have an account in Drupal, it would be nice to at > least link their e-mail address or e-mail name as the author. This > would likely mean adding new Drupal accounts dynamically and could cause > a mess.... Yeah, thelist could be notified of the change, and request that those who would like to be credited for their tips signup for a www.evolt account. After a period of time allowed for people to do that, tips that cannot be linked to a Drupal acct could default to an anonymous user, perhaps named "TheList" or something. It's not worth getting messy with setting up Drupal accts dynamically or anything. Hmm, another thought - maybe instead of making the tips posts, they could be put into an RSS feed and published in the Drupal site that way? That would circumvent the need for authors to have a Drupal acct. -- Max Schwanekamp http://www.neptunewebworks.com/ From lists at neptunewebworks.com Mon Feb 20 12:33:37 2006 From: lists at neptunewebworks.com (Max Schwanekamp) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 10:33:37 -0800 Subject: [thesite] Commenting on tips from thelist? In-Reply-To: <43FA0B02.1080707@neptunewebworks.com> References: <43F97E19.2030809@neptunewebworks.com> <43F98167.5010407@userfrenzy.com> <43F987E9.2070804@neptunewebworks.com> <43F98BAD.2040106@userfrenzy.com> <43F9D6AE.6000508@gmail.com> <43F9FE75.2000207@neptunewebworks.com> <43FA060C.9050705@gmail.com> <43FA0B02.1080707@neptunewebworks.com> Message-ID: <43FA0B81.7090509@neptunewebworks.com> Max Schwanekamp wrote: > Hmm, another thought - maybe instead of making the tips posts, they > could be put into an RSS feed and published in the Drupal site that way? > That would circumvent the need for authors to have a Drupal acct. Sigh, nevermind. I was thinking that rss items were commentable in Drupal. Oh well. -- Max Schwanekamp http://www.neptunewebworks.com/ From n.beresford at anansi.co.uk Tue Feb 21 02:57:18 2006 From: n.beresford at anansi.co.uk (Norman Beresford) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:57:18 -0000 Subject: [thesite] Commenting on tips from thelist? Message-ID: <70AB22AE1B3EAC4EADEEF39CE24F7B7C1BC99B@zeus.hayloft.office> I think these are the first mails I've ever had from thesite, so it does look like something's gone wrong with the subscriber db. Norman > -----Original Message----- > From: thesite-bounces at lists.evolt.org > [mailto:thesite-bounces at lists.evolt.org] On Behalf Of Martin > Kuplens-Ewart > Sent: 20 February 2006 17:51 > To: thesite at lists.evolt.org > Subject: Re: [thesite] Commenting on tips from thelist? > > rudy wrote: > > how come i'm getting mail? > > > > i thought for sure i had unsubscribed from all evolt lists back in > > october 2003, but maybe i missed this one > > > > I had unsubscribed to; looks like someone reloaded an ancient > subscriber > database? > > -m > ________________________________________ > evolt.org wiki: > http://freezope2.nipltd.net/acorn/evolt/ > ---- > For unsubscribe, archive, and options, go to: > http://lists.evolt.org/mailman/listinfo/thesite >