From thesite at lists.evolt.org Mon Nov 6 00:00:56 2000 From: thesite at lists.evolt.org (thesite at lists.evolt.org) Date: Mon Nov 6 00:00:56 2000 Subject: [thelist] Headlines from evolt.org for 06-Nov-00 Message-ID: <200011060600.AAA03488@poet.oracular.com> evolt.org headlines for 06-Nov-00 IE 6 beta out soon http://evolt.org/index.cfm?menu=8&catid=1&cid=3684 Happy reading... the evolt.org admin team From Anthony at Baratta.com Mon Nov 6 01:02:36 2000 From: Anthony at Baratta.com (Anthony Baratta) Date: Mon Nov 6 01:02:36 2000 Subject: [thelist] Page breaks in mysql? References: <008501c047a2$168590a0$d6b32dcb@qld.bigpond.net.au> Message-ID: <3A06579C.1B256D36@Baratta.com> Adrian Fischer wrote: > > Hi Gang, > > I was hoping someone may have a handy bit of script available that works > with myself that allows for page breaks when retrieving data. The type of > thing that you can customize to suit the number of items you want displayed > at one time with the option to go to page 2,3,4 etc. There was a posting > last week for CF I think but I don't think I can modify it to suit. > > Can anybody point me in the right direction? Oh... the language is > perl/myself. Adrain... I think your spell checker ran amok! LOL Here is a bit of code I wrote for someone a while ago, hope it helps: (Big Note: I hacked this up from the original. You will need to read it and modify it so that it will work in your environment. Watch for line wrap.) # You need to pass the Starting page to the # function, if no parameter starts at Page 1 # e.g. page_through_data($input{'Page'}) sub page_through_data { if ($_[0] > 0) { $StartNumber = $_[0] * 10; } else { $StartNumber = 1; }##end if ## Opening Connection to Database $DatabaseString = "DBI:mysql:$varDatabase"; $DatabaseConnection = DBI->connect($DatabaseString, $varUser, $varPasswd); ## Selecting Information into Database $QueryString = "SELECT * FROM tablename WHERE column1 = '$valueone'"; $SelectInfo = $DatabaseConnection->prepare("$QueryString"); $RetValue = $SelectInfo->execute; if ($RetValue < 1) { &error_in_select; exit; }##end if # Setting up Page Count # This assumes 10 items listed per page $varReturnValue = $RetValue if (chop($varReturnValue) > 0) { $varPageCount = $varReturnValue + 1; } else { $varPageCount = $varReturnValue; }##end if ## Setting Counter to Zero $counter = "0"; $HTMLPage = "\n" ## Opening up record set while ($varDBInfo = $SelectInfo->fetchrow_arrayref) { ## Incriment Counter for each new record $counter++; ## If counter is between $StartNumber and $StartNumber + 10 then print out info if ($counter >= $StartNumber && $counter <= $StartNumber+10) { HTMLPage .= "\n"; }##end if }##end while ## Setting up Page Navigation $HTMLNav = "
" for ($i=1;i<=$varPageCount;$i++) { $HTMLNav = "Page " . $i . ""; }#end for ## Print Nav Info $HTMLPage .= "\n"; $HTMLPage .= "
Column OneColumn twoColumn threeColumn four
$$varDBInfo[0]$$varDBInfo[1]$$varDBInfo[2]$$varDBInfo[3]
$HTMLNav
\n" ## Disconnect from Database $SelectUserInfo->finish; $DatabaseConnection->disconnect; ## Print Captured HTML Page return $HTMLPage; }#END Parse_CraftRentals From mpgalvin at eircom.net Mon Nov 6 05:00:39 2000 From: mpgalvin at eircom.net (Michael Galvin) Date: Mon Nov 6 05:00:39 2000 Subject: [thelist] [ASP] Need some help saving a record SOLVED References: <001f01c04777$6ae44900$d6e6869f@mpgalvin> <005501c04778$3d643980$487b5acf@mwardenlaptop> <002b01c04785$7d4d1500$8de3869f@mpgalvin> <00ba01c04786$6c6015c0$487b5acf@mwardenlaptop> Message-ID: <000001c047e1$5a6bc5c0$10e3869f@mpgalvin> Thanks But in the meantime, I came up with my own little solution, which I thought I would share with the group :) set filter on database to category code dim fieldname, n n = 1 loop fieldname = "skilldesc" & cstr(n) recordset.description = Request.QueryString(fieldname) n=n+1 adors.Update adors.MoveNext end loop It sure ain't purty, but it works like a charm. I could probably make a tip out of it, but I doubt it's very revolutionary... (It does of course make the assumption that the order of the fields on the posting form are the same as the order of the records in the db. Is this a horrible assumption to make?) Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: Warden, Matt To: Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 12:13 AM Subject: Re: [thelist] [ASP] Need some help saving a record | Well, I don't know if I have the best solution for this, but I basically did | what you started to do, but I had another hidden field named (tailored for | your case): skilldescfieldnames, which held a comma-delimited list of the | field names on the page. So, in your loop, you'd do something like: | | <% | loop | ... | sDescFieldName = "skilldesc" & rs("skillcode") | | if not sAllDescFieldNames="" then sAllDescFieldNames=sAllDescFieldNames&"," | sAllDescFieldNames=sAllDescFieldNames & sDescFieldName | ... | end loop | %> | | | Make sense? Like I said, this is how I've handled it before. Might not be the | best way. | | -- | mattwarden | mattwarden.com | | > Yep. I'm showing all the skill descriptions for the chosen category, and | > allowing them to update whichever ones they want. I then want to save all | > the changes. | | | | --------------------------------------- | For unsubscribe and other options, including | the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: | http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! | From martin.p.burns at uk.pwcglobal.com Mon Nov 6 05:23:28 2000 From: martin.p.burns at uk.pwcglobal.com (martin.p.burns at uk.pwcglobal.com) Date: Mon Nov 6 05:23:28 2000 Subject: [thelist] Just a freebie tip Message-ID: <8025698F.003E6487.00@uk-emamta003.ema.pwcinternal.com> Memo from Martin P Burns of PricewaterhouseCoopers -------------------- Start of message text -------------------- To rate something, you need to know both the rated object and the scale. Even with guidance such as 1 - received training 2 - novice 3 - practitioner 4 - expert it can be difficult, as different organisations will have different thresholds for each. So in a non-coding environment, one might be an expert, but in a hard-core geek environment, one might only be a novice (that's me with Perl btw). However, when you're new into an environment, you at least know *yourself* better than anyone else does, as you don't have a local history for people to assess you. Cheers Martin (having to self-grade on a whole bunch of things rn) Please respond to thelist at lists.evolt.org To: thelist at lists.evolt.org cc: Subject: RE: [thelist] Just a freebie tip Just as a note on that -- I hate it when people ask other people to rate themselves. I mean, isn't that kind of stupid? It just seems so subjective to me and not really an indicator of anything. It's like asking someone, "If you were a car what kind of car would you be" and then trying to draw a conclusion based on that. Silly, I think. > [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Jacob Stetser > Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 4:43 AM > To: thelist at lists.evolt.org > Subject: [thelist] Just a freebie tip > > > > A co-worker was reviewed the other day, and when asked what he > thought his skill level was, between 1-10, replied that he was > most definitely a 10. > > Ouch. Don't do that. Only idiots consider themselves 10s. Those > of us who know enough to be in the upper single digit levels know > that there's always something to learn, some new problem, etc. > > So never say 10. > --------------------- End of message text -------------------- The principal place of business of PricewaterhouseCoopers and its associate partnerships is 1 Embankment Place, London WC2N 6NN where lists of the partners' names are available for inspection. 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From martin.p.burns at uk.pwcglobal.com Mon Nov 6 05:26:06 2000 From: martin.p.burns at uk.pwcglobal.com (martin.p.burns at uk.pwcglobal.com) Date: Mon Nov 6 05:26:06 2000 Subject: [thelist] Offering contracts: Opinions on Etiquette? Message-ID: <8025698F.003E92EC.00@uk-emamta003.ema.pwcinternal.com> Memo from Martin P Burns of PricewaterhouseCoopers -------------------- Start of message text -------------------- Unless it's BBEdit, or similar kick-ass text editor. Then it's a "I *don't* use FrontPage cos I know what I'm doing" Cheers Martin Please respond to thelist at lists.evolt.org To: thelist at lists.evolt.org cc: Subject: RE: [thelist] Offering contracts: Opinions on Etiquette? In order that this doesn't become a "me too!" post, I should say that source code speaks for a lot. META name="generator" in the code of a company's project is always for me a major flag. "If they're using x to do live code, how much do they REALLY know about what they're doing?" --------------------- End of message text -------------------- The principal place of business of PricewaterhouseCoopers and its associate partnerships is 1 Embankment Place, London WC2N 6NN where lists of the partners' names are available for inspection. All partners in the associate partnerships are authorised to conduct business as agents of, and all contracts for services to clients are with, PricewaterhouseCoopers. The UK firm of PricewaterhouseCoopers is authorised by the Institute of Chartered Accountants in England and Wales to carry on investment business. PricewaterhouseCoopers is a member of the world-wide PricewaterhouseCoopers organisation. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From Ron.Luther at COMPAQ.com Mon Nov 6 07:43:15 2000 From: Ron.Luther at COMPAQ.com (Luther, Ron) Date: Mon Nov 6 07:43:15 2000 Subject: [thelist] Offering contracts: Opinions on Etiquette? Message-ID: <446A57B73D16D411811B00508B6CA242023B6960@cceexc03.cce.cpqcorp.net> Hi Gang, Interesting debate ... Another viewpoint: I was (very!) recently looking for a new job. :-) Early on in my search I "flunked" a telephone interview - because I didn't have a personal site to point the prospective employer to. For me, that was an 'eye-opener'. I decided it was MY responsibility to work up some examples to showcase the kinds of things I could do for a new employer. I bought a domain name. I bought hosting. I spent late nights throwing together "rough" similations of work I had done for other folks. That allowed me to show working code to an interviewer and say things like "Yeah - this uses MS Access - but I've done similar stuff for ABC Company using Oracle. I'd have used Oracle here - but it's very expensive!" I thought that was a reasonable way to go. (The cost of the name and hosting is a very small investment for someone looking for a 'real' job to make.) Basically I think a prospect ought to be willing to tell you about the work they've done for others ... but only show you the code on their personal site. My 2? Ron L. From Julia_Frizzell at Brown.edu Mon Nov 6 07:52:15 2000 From: Julia_Frizzell at Brown.edu (Julia Frizzell) Date: Mon Nov 6 07:52:15 2000 Subject: [thelist] Mac caching problem? In-Reply-To: References: <013301c04619$50480dc0$31109ad8@michelef> <3A039D01.496D12CA@Baratta.com> Message-ID: At 6:44 PM +1300 11/4/00, Miraz Jordan wrote: >I've pondered long on who to ask about an annoying problem I have >when updating my website and after checking the FAQ have decided >evolt would be a good place. > >I use a Mac with OS 9.0.4 to develop pages and then upload them >using Interarchy ftp software to my server. I often end up making >many small changes consecutively and reuploading maybe half a dozen >times before I'm satisfied. So far so good. > >The problem comes when I try to check the newly uploaded page - with >Internet Explorer 5, Netscape Communicator 4.74 and even Wannabe, >text-only browser, the web browser often fails to show the new >version of the page. Even Refresh / Reload and Super Reload don't >work. > >Then I open up iCab and that also shows the old version, until I hit >Reload, then the new version shows. Then I can also go back and >reload into MIE etc and get the new version of the page. > >Naturally I have done things like set the cache to 0Mb, check page >each time etc. This doesn't help. > >I'm on a cable modem with fixed IP address. > >I don't know whether the problem lies with my machine, my cable >connection, my ISP or the server where the site is hosted. > >Does this problem afflict others? Any suggestions on how / where to >begin the troubleshooting? What webserver software are you using? Here, with WebStar, there is often a caching problem with the webserver, and I have to go flush the cache for the new pages to be served. The cache will automatically flush at a certain point, but it's not always soon enough for our web designers. :) -- ------------------------------- Julia Frizzell julia_frizzell at brown.edu glyneth at netspace.org http://www.netspace.org/~glyneth http://www.theblackroad.org "Insert pithy quote here." From sde at ridingzone.com Mon Nov 6 08:07:32 2000 From: sde at ridingzone.com (Stephane Deschamps) Date: Mon Nov 6 08:07:32 2000 Subject: [thelist] Click here! Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20001106150517.009db0b0@mail.ridingzone.com> At long last I found the URL I really liked about this 'click here' thread. http://home.netscape.com/computing/webbuilding/studio/feature19980827-1.html Stef (HTML rider) From twebb at dynamicinst.com Mon Nov 6 08:31:13 2000 From: twebb at dynamicinst.com (Tom Webb) Date: Mon Nov 6 08:31:13 2000 Subject: [thelist] looking for serious hosting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20001106063359.0096cdc0@mailserver> We use CIHOST at www.cihost.com. They have the best prices and best service. Tom Webb At 11:53 AM 11/5/00 -0500, you wrote: >It looks like we may lose our current hosting deal. Oh no... >So I'm looking at options. >This site is a big one, and I may be underestimating our stats. >Disk space: 10 Gig at least. >Number of sessions daily: 40,000 and climbing >Ad views: 5 millions monthly and climbing >bandwidth: no clue, but it's high. Just in August, we had one 10Meg file >downloaded over a million times. > >Technical requirements: >CGI server >ASP server with MS SQL for the admin section >load balancing between CGI, multimedia and straight HTML >mailing aliases >pop accounts >at least one mailing list (25,000 users) >multiple FTP accounts >hmmm. what else... > >Our site is currently spread over 8 *nix servers, and one NT. The message >boards are hosted on another 8 NT boxes, but those are not dedicated to us. >I don't know how much strain our own message boards put on those boxes. > >Our current deal is sweet but about to go sour. We're unlimited in all of >the above, and they pocket the money from our ads. The site is >not-for-profit and we're perfectly willing to let someone else get the money >from the ads, as long as we get a little bit to cover our expenses. > >Any suggestion? > >Hosting it ourselves is probably out of the question. High bandwidth where I >live is too expensive, and no one else on the team is technical enough to be >put in charge of a server, let alone a farm. > > >--------------------------------------- >For unsubscribe and other options, including >the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: >http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From martin.p.burns at uk.pwcglobal.com Mon Nov 6 09:24:54 2000 From: martin.p.burns at uk.pwcglobal.com (martin.p.burns at uk.pwcglobal.com) Date: Mon Nov 6 09:24:54 2000 Subject: [thelist] managing e-mail lists Message-ID: <8025698F.005469ED.00@uk-emamta003.ema.pwcinternal.com> Memo from Martin P Burns of PricewaterhouseCoopers -------------------- Start of message text -------------------- Janet What scale of budget are we talking? Cheers Martin Please respond to thelist at lists.evolt.org To: thelist at lists.evolt.org cc: Subject: [thelist] managing e-mail lists We have a client that would like to collect e-mail address on their site for visitors interested in new products. What options are available that would allow the client to send a newsletter/update to everyone on the subscribe list. --------------------- End of message text -------------------- The principal place of business of PricewaterhouseCoopers and its associate partnerships is 1 Embankment Place, London WC2N 6NN where lists of the partners' names are available for inspection. All partners in the associate partnerships are authorised to conduct business as agents of, and all contracts for services to clients are with, PricewaterhouseCoopers. The UK firm of PricewaterhouseCoopers is authorised by the Institute of Chartered Accountants in England and Wales to carry on investment business. PricewaterhouseCoopers is a member of the world-wide PricewaterhouseCoopers organisation. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From talleman at autobex.com Mon Nov 6 09:33:51 2000 From: talleman at autobex.com (Tab Alleman) Date: Mon Nov 6 09:33:51 2000 Subject: [thelist] ASP: Make your own .mdb In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >From an ASP script, can you use the FileScriptingObject to create a file with an .mdb extension and then use CreateTables statements to populate it? I'm working on it from here, but thought maybe I'd see if somebody else had already tried it and could save me some time. From Ari_Herzog at Instron.com Mon Nov 6 09:37:14 2000 From: Ari_Herzog at Instron.com (Herzog, Ari) Date: Mon Nov 6 09:37:14 2000 Subject: [thelist] PayPal.com Message-ID: I have used paypal for about 6 months, via my ebay auctions I sell and buy on. To the extent, when bidding on an item, I prefer if the seller accepts paypal. -ari -----Original Message----- From: Michele Foster [mailto:michele at wordpro.on.ca] Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 11:40 PM To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: [thelist] PayPal.com Hi folks, Has anyone had any experience, good or bad, the services offered by this company? I'm seriously thinking about setting up an account with them, now that their services are available in Canada. Their transaction fees seem to be much lower than regular merchant account fees, at 1.9% + 25 cents transaction. There is the draw back that the funds will be processed in U.S. funds, even though my prices will be in Canadian on my site. Anyway, here's the main page URL at http://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_home, and in particular web tools at http://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/web/index-outside. This could very well be a viable option for small businesses in Canada.. thoughts? TIA, Michele ___________________________ Michele Foster WordPro Services Aurora, Ontario, Canada mailto:michele at wordpro.on.ca http://wordpro.on.ca/ --------------------------------------- For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From Ari_Herzog at Instron.com Mon Nov 6 09:39:27 2000 From: Ari_Herzog at Instron.com (Herzog, Ari) Date: Mon Nov 6 09:39:27 2000 Subject: [thelist] Please help in background selection... Message-ID: Hi. I have created 3 files for evaluation. I am not concerned with any links or images, just the far right border/background for browsers with 1024 and higher resolutions. Please let me know which is your favorite, and which you don't like. Any and all comments/suggestions appreciated. Note: For #3 below (blue.htm), I am aware of the missing shim on the right side. #1: http://63.74.113.158/grey.htm #2: http://63.74.113.158/white.htm #3: http://63.74.113.158/blue.htm Thanks alot, Ari ------------------------------------ Ari Herzog Internet Webmaster Instron Corporation Tel: 781-575-5638 Fax: 781-575-5768 Email: ari_herzog at instron.com Check out our website at http://www.instron.com From bheerssen at iecommerce.net Mon Nov 6 09:43:50 2000 From: bheerssen at iecommerce.net (Bruce Heerssen) Date: Mon Nov 6 09:43:50 2000 Subject: [thelist] Offering contracts: Opinions on Etiquette? References: <446A57B73D16D411811B00508B6CA242023B6960@cceexc03.cce.cpqcorp.net> Message-ID: <3a06d0cc$1@fuseware.com> I recently went through a round of interviews before taking my current job. Each and every company wanted an example of work I had performed in the past. I'm not sure what answer they expected, but I refused, citing security concerns. Every company expressed respect for this answer. However, I did come prepared. At each interview, I brought a floppy with my resume, brainbench certification, and some sample code on it that I developed on my own time. That was very well received. In fact, I think that that floppy was instrumental in bringing in the offers that I received. Anyway, I thought my experience might shed a little light on the whole "expose your source code" issue. Companies that ask for source code are more interested in seeing your coding style than in anything else. As a developer, you have a responsibility to furnish this for them in a way that will not compromise your previous employers/clients. Companies that wish to hire should expect the same. Any developer that would expose a previous employer's source code probably cannot be trusted to keep source code private in the future. A prospective employer would do well to keep that in mind. "Luther, Ron" wrote in message news:446A57B73D16D411811B00508B6CA242023B6960 at cceexc03.cce.cpqcorp.net... > Hi Gang, > > > Interesting debate ... > > Another viewpoint: > > I was (very!) recently looking for a new job. :-) > > Early on in my search I "flunked" a telephone interview - because I didn't > have a personal site to point the prospective employer to. For me, that was > an 'eye-opener'. > > I decided it was MY responsibility to work up some examples to showcase the > kinds of things I could do for a new employer. > > I bought a domain name. I bought hosting. I spent late nights throwing > together "rough" similations of work I had done for other folks. That > allowed me to show working code to an interviewer and say things like "Yeah > - this uses MS Access - but I've done similar stuff for ABC Company using > Oracle. I'd have used Oracle here - but it's very expensive!" > > I thought that was a reasonable way to go. > > (The cost of the name and hosting is a very small investment for someone > looking for a 'real' job to make.) > > > Basically I think a prospect ought to be willing to tell you about the work > they've done for others ... but only show you the code on their personal > site. > > My 2? > > Ron L. > > > --------------------------------------- > For unsubscribe and other options, including > the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: > http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From n.haldimann at derbund.ch Mon Nov 6 09:53:15 2000 From: n.haldimann at derbund.ch (Niklaus Haldimann) Date: Mon Nov 6 09:53:15 2000 Subject: [thelist] CSS, image border color and IE Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20001106165721.009b3e50@mail.derbund.ch> Hi gang. I'm trying to add borders to images using CSS. I've had success with the following approach in Netscape browsers: a:link {color: #0066cc} a:visited {color: #0066cc} a:active {color: #000000} a:hover {color: #000033} a.pic:link {color: black} a.pic:visited {color: black} a.pic:active {color: black} a.pic:hover {color: black} All linked images are supposed to have a black border rather than a blue one. It doesn't work in Internet Explorer. I guess I need to apply a class to the images rather than to the anchors. But obviously I don't know how. Can anybody help? Thanks, Niklaus. -- http://eBund.ch http://eGames.ch aktuell: http://www.eWahlen.ch From sgd at ti3.com Mon Nov 6 10:12:46 2000 From: sgd at ti3.com (Scott Dexter) Date: Mon Nov 6 10:12:46 2000 Subject: [thelist] Just a freebie tip Message-ID: <8C8B8745C0FE7A43BFA6CABAB321117223F634@gate.ti3.com> There are appropriate places, I registered for an Ultimate Frisbee league last week, and had to self-rate ...myself, the scale was detailed enough to make a pretty good assessment: http://www.geocities.com/dallasultimate/ranking.html and as far as the sport itself: http://www.ultimatehandbook.com anyhoo.... sgd -- work: http://www.ti3.com/ non: http://thinksafely.org/ > -----Original Message----- > From: A. Erickson [mailto:amanda at gawow.com] > Just as a note on that -- I hate it when people ask other > people to rate > themselves. I mean, isn't that kind of stupid? It just seems From Anthony at Baratta.com Mon Nov 6 10:19:25 2000 From: Anthony at Baratta.com (Anthony Baratta) Date: Mon Nov 6 10:19:25 2000 Subject: [thelist] ASP: Make your own .mdb In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20001106082101.00aff358@baratta.com> At 07:33 AM 11/6/2000, you wrote: > >From an ASP script, can you use the FileScriptingObject to create a file >with an .mdb extension and then use CreateTables statements to populate it? > >I'm working on it from here, but thought maybe I'd see if somebody else had >already tried it and could save me some time. As far as I can tell, no. You can't even create an .mdb file from the MS SQL interface when you export data from MS SQL. If the functionality ain't there, then I would think that it can't be done without Access available. Which is too bad. What I do is create an empty Access DB, store it on the server and grab a copy of it when I need a blank one. Sucks, but it works. ---- Anthony Baratta President Keyboard Jockeys From jaylard at equilon.com Mon Nov 6 10:27:06 2000 From: jaylard at equilon.com (Aylard JA (James)) Date: Mon Nov 6 10:27:06 2000 Subject: [thelist] CSS, image border color and IE Message-ID: <8B8252E8924BD31193D800805FE63E6D0104CC89@mzrmsx02.newcos.com> Niklaus, > I'm trying to add borders to images using CSS. For IE, the easiest way to do this: img { border: 1px solid #000000 ; } This will assign a 1 pixel black border to *all* images, however, so you might want to be a bit more specific (using your html snippet as an example): and in your style sheet: img.pic { border: 1px solid #000000 ; } The inclusion of the border attribute in the img element itself isn't necessary. Also, Netscape 4 handles this all very poorly, creating a little floating box outside of the image, so you might want to use browser detection before applying the style in this way (which is standards-compliant, btw). hth, James Aylard From dbailey2 at healthaxis.com Mon Nov 6 11:56:14 2000 From: dbailey2 at healthaxis.com (Bailey, Dan) Date: Mon Nov 6 11:56:14 2000 Subject: [thelist] Knuckle-headed SQL Question Message-ID: <7171306544DBD31195B900D0B7222A4EE3482E@haxcre00.healthaxis.com> Awright...here's the scoop. I built a database to keep track of a large volume of information (fonts) -- the site's www.fontosaurus.com. Anyway, I should have included a column for this, but I didn't. I have a column named FontName, which keeps track of the full name of the font. What I need to be able to do is a lookup based on the first letter of the name in that column. (Am I being clear here? What I need to do, is based on FontName, pull up every entry where FontName starts with "A".) Also, I need to be able to run a query where it will grab all the entries in FontName that start with a number. I didn't bring my damn SQL reference to the office with me today, and have nothing to do here, so I've been plugging away at my personal stuff. :-) Help! :-) -- Dan From Ron.Luther at COMPAQ.com Mon Nov 6 12:09:47 2000 From: Ron.Luther at COMPAQ.com (Luther, Ron) Date: Mon Nov 6 12:09:47 2000 Subject: [thelist] Knuckle-headed SQL Question Message-ID: <446A57B73D16D411811B00508B6CA242023B6965@cceexc03.cce.cpqcorp.net> Hi Dan, Column? ... Don't need no stinkin' Column!! Try a "Select FontName From DansDB Where FontName Like 'A%';" (Can't remember offhand if it's "like" or "is like" --- but it's something 'like' that.) For the numeric one ... I'd probably screw things up by trying something like ... "Where Not IsErr(CInt(Left(FontName,1)));" ... but somebody will probably have a cooler idea. ;-) HTH, Ron L. -----Original Message----- From: Bailey, Dan [mailto:dbailey2 at healthaxis.com] Subject: [thelist] Knuckle-headed SQL Question I have a column named FontName, which keeps track of the full name of the font. What I need to be able to do is a lookup based on the first letter of the name in that column. From michele at wordpro.on.ca Mon Nov 6 12:18:27 2000 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Mon Nov 6 12:18:27 2000 Subject: [thelist] Knuckle-headed SQL Question References: <7171306544DBD31195B900D0B7222A4EE3482E@haxcre00.healthaxis.com> Message-ID: <001c01c0481d$f5abc3a0$02049ad8@michelef> Dan, Here's my solution for ASP/Access database... I'd be interested to know if there is a better option .. this one works just fine for me tho, but am not sure how well it does performance wise. SqlString = SqlString & "SELECT whatever FROM wherever " SqlString = SqlString & "WHERE (Name LIKE '0%') OR (Name LIKE '1%') OR (Name LIKE '2%') OR (Name LIKE '3%') OR (Name LIKE '4%') OR (Name LIKE '5%') OR (Name LIKE '6%') OR (Name LIKE '7%') OR (Name LIKE '8%') OR (Name LIKE '9%') " Ron's solution is the same I use for letters Name Like 'A%'. HTH, Michele > I have a column named FontName, which keeps track of the full name of the > font. What I need to be able to do is a lookup based on the first letter of > the name in that column. > > Also, I need to be able to run a query where it will grab all the entries in > FontName that start with a number. From taz at hy.cgocable.ca Mon Nov 6 12:20:43 2000 From: taz at hy.cgocable.ca (Stephane Gosselin) Date: Mon Nov 6 12:20:43 2000 Subject: [thelist] 2 pixel space between tables ? Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20001106131922.00b2b870@mail.hy.cgocable.ca> Hi. Just a small problem I have getting two tables to hug tightly against one another. http://www.cfusions.com is where the boboo is at. Thanks for the help all. From james at designframe.com Mon Nov 6 12:24:47 2000 From: james at designframe.com (James Spahr) Date: Mon Nov 6 12:24:47 2000 Subject: [thelist] Knuckle-headed SQL Question In-Reply-To: <001c01c0481d$f5abc3a0$02049ad8@michelef> Message-ID: on 11/6/00 1:18 PM, Michele Foster at michele at wordpro.on.ca wrote: > Here's my solution for ASP/Access database... I'd be interested to know if > there is a better option .. this one works just fine for me tho, but am not > sure how well it does performance wise. > > SqlString = SqlString & "SELECT whatever FROM wherever " > SqlString = SqlString & "WHERE (Name LIKE '0%') OR (Name LIKE '1%') OR (Name > LIKE '2%') OR (Name LIKE '3%') OR (Name LIKE '4%') OR (Name LIKE '5%') OR > (Name LIKE '6%') OR (Name LIKE '7%') OR (Name LIKE '8%') OR (Name LIKE '9%') > " > > Ron's solution is the same I use for letters Name Like 'A%'. I'd try SELECT whatever FROM wherever WHERE Name RLIKE '[0-9].*' RLIKE, or REGEXP let you use full regex for searches. James. From mail at redhotsweeps.com Mon Nov 6 12:25:01 2000 From: mail at redhotsweeps.com (CDitty) Date: Mon Nov 6 12:25:01 2000 Subject: [thelist] 2 pixel space between tables ? In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20001106131922.00b2b870@mail.hy.cgocable.ca> Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20001106122246.00ab2920@redhotsweeps.com> Try this. On line 67: Put the
tag on the same line with that
tag. See if that helps. CDitty At 12:21 PM 11/6/00, you wrote: >Hi. Just a small problem I have getting two tables to hug tightly against >one another. >http://www.cfusions.com is where the boboo is at. Thanks for the help all. > > >--------------------------------------- >For unsubscribe and other options, including >the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: >http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From arthur at arthurnoel.com Mon Nov 6 12:25:24 2000 From: arthur at arthurnoel.com (Arthur Noel) Date: Mon Nov 6 12:25:24 2000 Subject: [thelist] on writing dtds Message-ID: Hey, Has anyone ever hacked one of these around? I'm having trouble rewriting an HTML 4.01 definition so that it lets me put form tags in dead space? i.e have a table like this: etc... Is there somewhere that has info on this kind of stuff? Thanks, Arthur From michele at inthree.com Mon Nov 6 13:18:52 2000 From: michele at inthree.com (Michele Wandrei) Date: Mon Nov 6 13:18:52 2000 Subject: [thelist] looking for serious hosting References: Message-ID: <00b101c04826$5a9a6980$11330d18@roalok1.mi.home.com> You might want to check out the discussion boards at www.webhostingtalk.com. They are very helpful! For what it's worth, I just moved all my domains to TVCNet (www.tvcnet.com). Their site is confusing, but their hosting packages are great and the personal service I've received is incredible. You probably won't find what you need on their site, but you might want to give them a call. They may be able to customize a package for you. ___________________________________________________ Michele Wandrei inThree Design www.inthree.com From jmerriam at achilles.net Mon Nov 6 13:24:55 2000 From: jmerriam at achilles.net (jmerriam) Date: Mon Nov 6 13:24:55 2000 Subject: [thelist] CSS, image border color and IE In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20001106165721.009b3e50@mail.derbund.ch> Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20001106140109.00b475c0@pop1.achilles.net> Hi, try the source here http://www.theplazahotel.com.tr/rooms.htm i think this is what you're after. jeff From talleman at autobex.com Mon Nov 6 13:40:22 2000 From: talleman at autobex.com (Tab Alleman) Date: Mon Nov 6 13:40:22 2000 Subject: [thelist] without whitespace. css? In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20001106082101.00aff358@baratta.com> Message-ID: I'm totally annoyed with the way IE (and NS too for all I know) puts a blank line after a tag. It looks like can't be used as a CSS selector.. is there any other easy way around this? From sgd at ti3.com Mon Nov 6 13:44:11 2000 From: sgd at ti3.com (Scott Dexter) Date: Mon Nov 6 13:44:11 2000 Subject: [thelist] without whitespace. css? Message-ID: <8C8B8745C0FE7A43BFA6CABAB321117223F637@gate.ti3.com> close it just before you close the body: ... or will that not work for you in this case? sgd -- work: http://www.ti3.com/ non: http://thinksafely.org/ > -----Original Message----- > From: Tab Alleman [mailto:talleman at autobex.com] > > I'm totally annoyed with the way IE (and NS too for all I > know) puts a blank > line after a tag. It looks like can't be > used as a CSS > selector.. is there any other easy way around this? From Rudy_Limeback at maritimelife.ca Mon Nov 6 13:46:36 2000 From: Rudy_Limeback at maritimelife.ca (rudy) Date: Mon Nov 6 13:46:36 2000 Subject: [thelist] RE: [OT] Just a *frisbee* tip Message-ID: sorry if this is a duplicate, i made a typo in the To: address on the previous post If you plan to use the [Lorem Ipsum] text for modeling purposes or whatever, be sure to get an accurate copy, or at least one that won't embarrass you. There are several different versions on the Net. The text has evolved over the years, sometimes by accident (typos) and sometimes on purpose (word substitutions, injected humor). Some are really very funny, but you probably wouldn't want to accidentally integrate them with your website! http://www.neosplice.com/~ailanto/lorem.htm hi scott > http://www.geocities.com/dallasultimate/ranking.html hmmm.... on that scale i'd be a 0 for anyone else not quite in the elite class of humans that can play ultimate, may i suggest frisbee golf feel free to contact me if you're in, or plan to be in, the toronto area -- i'll take you to a fabulous course down by the balmy beach club the nice part about frisbee golf is that you don't really need those fancy schmancy baskets that the pros use -- any identifiable target will do (e.g. "see that second tree left of the building? that's a par three, okay?") you can even adapt it for family play (don't forget to give the kids a good handicap) -- http://family.go.com/Categories/Activities/Features/family_1997_09/famf/famf97playground/famf97playground4.html rudy r937.com From talleman at autobex.com Mon Nov 6 13:50:31 2000 From: talleman at autobex.com (Tab Alleman) Date: Mon Nov 6 13:50:31 2000 Subject: [thelist] without whitespace. css? In-Reply-To: <8C8B8745C0FE7A43BFA6CABAB321117223F637@gate.ti3.com> Message-ID: I am closing the form(s).. Actually this is on a page with several forms, all of them with only a submit button displayed in a
.. because of the whitespace, each is twice as tall as it needs to be with the button in the top half of the cell.. -----Original Message----- From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Scott Dexter Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 2:44 PM To: 'thelist at lists.evolt.org' Subject: RE: [thelist] without whitespace. css? close it just before you close the body: ... or will that not work for you in this case? sgd -- work: http://www.ti3.com/ non: http://thinksafely.org/ > -----Original Message----- > From: Tab Alleman [mailto:talleman at autobex.com] > > I'm totally annoyed with the way IE (and NS too for all I > know) puts a blank > line after a tag. It looks like can't be > used as a CSS > selector.. is there any other easy way around this? --------------------------------------- For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From morbus at disobey.com Mon Nov 6 13:53:33 2000 From: morbus at disobey.com (Morbus Iff) Date: Mon Nov 6 13:53:33 2000 Subject: [thelist] without whitespace. css? In-Reply-To: References: <5.0.0.25.2.20001106082101.00aff358@baratta.com> Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20001106145113.00a35be0@red.totalnetnh.net> >I'm totally annoyed with the way IE (and NS too for all I know) puts a blank >line after a tag. It looks like can't be used as a CSS >selector.. is there any other easy way around this? Depending on your HTML setup, I've occasionally found that putting a blank tag immediately before the would do it. What I've found always works though, is to distance the
and
as far as way from each other as possible, such like this: Morbus Iff .sig on other machine. http://www.disobey.com/ http://www.gamegrene.com/ From jaylard at equilon.com Mon Nov 6 13:55:26 2000 From: jaylard at equilon.com (Aylard JA (James)) Date: Mon Nov 6 13:55:26 2000 Subject: [thelist] without whitespace. css? Message-ID: <8B8252E8924BD31193D800805FE63E6D0104CC8B@mzrmsx02.newcos.com> Tab, > I'm totally annoyed with the way IE (and NS too for all I know) puts a blank > line after a tag. It looks like can't be used as a CSS > selector.. is there any other easy way around this? Annoying, yes. You can get around it using CSS: form { margin: 0px ; } MS does list "form" as a possible selector for the margin property, and I'm not aware of anything in the W3C spec that would forbid it. hth, James Aylard From carleen.tracy at b3interactive.com Mon Nov 6 13:56:13 2000 From: carleen.tracy at b3interactive.com (Carleen Tracy) Date: Mon Nov 6 13:56:13 2000 Subject: [thelist] RE: cross browser test this site... please... In-Reply-To: <20001105180019.8B4736BAF2@relay.evolt.org> Message-ID: <000c01c0482e$47660e20$a401410a@tracyc> Hi Jason, I am viewing in Netscape 4.0 on a PC at 1024x768. The copy on the right in the 'news' section is illegible...really small and choppy. I don't know if you know this but none of the links anywhere on the page work. Also, for the 'services', 'context', and 'company' rollovers I am getting repeated JS errors-none of these items are clickable. In NN 4.7 things are a bit better. >From a UI standpoint, the logo in the top left should be clickable. I was confused on how to retun to the start page. If I click the services bar then click 'basho bootcamp' the content is loaded in the lower section and the navigation items move to the right side....the one that is highlighted (in this case the bootcamp) is sitting ontop of another option. The other options are not clickable and it is unclear on how to return home to get the other options in the services section. If I click the <<< on the bottom I am served a page which has two sets of content superimposed ontop of each other. On this page the nav on the right has 'basho frontdesk' and 'basho bootcamp' highlighted. The other items in the nav are still not available for clicking. The same sort of behavior is happening with the other sections. I really like the overall style of the site it just has a few tech glitches. Let me know if you need a FULL QA on this and I can help you out (I may not be able to help you fix them but I can let you know what they are) ;) carleen > --__--__-- > > Message: 15 > Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 09:46:06 -0800 > From: Jason Fields > To: thelist at lists.evolt.org > Cc: Darren Endo > Subject: [thelist] cross browser test this site... please... > Reply-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org > > Attention Evolt list subscribers... > > This is an open call for people who would be interested in > helping me cross > browser test a site (this includes dhtml, javascript, and css)... > > This is the site in need of help... > > Basically I have built the dhtml foundation and apart from some minor > graphic changes... I am pretty much done with the site... which > brings me to > asking you all for help... first off its a pro bono project.... so I cant > really go to a third party testing firm... then next if not even better > solution... call upon the talented people that subscribe to the evolt > list... > > I have hit a brick wall... probably because I have been sitting > in front of > my computer for the past month building this site from scratch... now it > comes time to test it on all the different browsers (4.0+ MacOS/Win98)... > > And... of courses it falls apart on NS (MacOS/Win98) and on IE (Win98)... > > So... since I dont have the bandwidth to $ hire anyone... if any > of you want > to take a peek and help me out... I wont forget you when xmas comes > around... Thanks in advance... > > Regards, > Jason Fields. > > > ------------------------------ > 1730 20th street, lower unit > san francisco, ca 94107 usa > > +1.415.823.5353 mobile > +1.603.697.8394 efax > > fason at sirius.com > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > Help: http://lists.evolt.org/mailman/listinfo/thelist > > Archives: http://lists.evolt.org > > End of thelist Digest > From Rudy_Limeback at maritimelife.ca Mon Nov 6 14:03:15 2000 From: Rudy_Limeback at maritimelife.ca (rudy) Date: Mon Nov 6 14:03:15 2000 Subject: [thelist] 2 pixel space between tables ? Message-ID: > http://www.cfusions.com hi stephane if you mean the slight gap between 1a.jpg and 2.jpg (it's only 1 pixel in netscape 4.04), here's the cause of your trouble -- 54 55 -- [snip] 61 62 63
64 65 66 on line 62 you might want to move it to between lines 65 and 66 because the is missing there ;o) also, you have some spaces on line 64, some browsers may actually render them in between the two 100% tables finally, always specify hspace="0" and vspace"0" for images that you want to snug up against each other rudy r937.com From carleen.tracy at b3interactive.com Mon Nov 6 14:04:00 2000 From: carleen.tracy at b3interactive.com (Carleen Tracy) Date: Mon Nov 6 14:04:00 2000 Subject: [thelist] RE: cross browser test this site... please... In-Reply-To: <20001106154359.7926A1BE10@relay.evolt.org> Message-ID: <000d01c0482f$75fb4c40$a401410a@tracyc> Bekah- x thanks for that tip...I didn't know that. It's fabulous ;) carleen __________________________________ Carleen Tracy Creative Lead B3 Interactive Boston . Seattle 781.902.8569 > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 15:16:12 -0500 > From: Rebekah Murphy > Reply-To: bekah at nightvisions.com > Organization: NightVisions.com > To: thelist at lists.evolt.org > Subject: Re: [thelist] cross browser test this site... please... > Reply-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org > > Jason Fields wrote: > > This is the site in need of help... > > MacOS 8.6 netscape 4.7 > I am getting a lot of javascript errors. I had to open the frames in new > layers to see them because all navigation elements had been obliterated > on the pop-up. > > topnav.html line 104 "obj has no properties" > company.html line 269 "hide is not defined" line 259 "navArea has no > properties" line 220 "obj has no properties" > > > type "javascript:" (without the quotes) into the location bar (this is > where you would type in a URL). A popup box will appear with errors. > > -Bekah > From vmv at online.sinor.ru Mon Nov 6 14:04:38 2000 From: vmv at online.sinor.ru (Michael V. Vladimirov) Date: Mon Nov 6 14:04:38 2000 Subject: [thelist] without whitespace. css? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8870260038.20001107015154@online.sinor.ru> Hello Tab, Tuesday, November 07, 2000, 1:39:47 AM, you wrote: TA> I'm totally annoyed with the way IE (and NS too for all I know) puts a blank TA> line after a tag. It looks like can't be used as a CSS TA> selector.. is there any other easy way around this?
... This works for me.. -- Best regards, Michael mailto:vmv at online.sinor.ru From jason at v1c.net Mon Nov 6 14:12:04 2000 From: jason at v1c.net (Jason Fields) Date: Mon Nov 6 14:12:04 2000 Subject: [thelist] Re: Re: cross browser test this site... please... Message-ID: Heya... Thanks for all the comments... Obviously some of the stuff you made notes on was out of context... as the site splash is not done... and neither is some of the content... but aside from that the site is pretty solid... I know that it does not work in a number of browsers on the PC side... and I guess I was looking for more specific examples (ie. javascript help), but thats ok... Its funny that I have gotten alot of people commenting on the popup window... which brings me to another questions... how do you recommend maintaining a user experience in a custom environment... if you are so annoyed with the spawning window? I particularly dont like the browser controls as such... (you know the home button, email, balh blah blah) Just food for thought... Thanks again for your screenshots, feedback, comments, etc... I will let you all know when the site officially goes live... Cheers, Jason. ------------------------------ v1 consulting 1730 20th street, lower unit san francisco, ca 94107 usa +1.415.642.2808 office.us +1.415.823.5353 mobile.us +1.603.697.8394 efax.us +44.7092.21.1995 mobile.ec http://www.v1c.net/ mailto:jason at v1c.net ------------------------------ From Rudy_Limeback at maritimelife.ca Mon Nov 6 14:12:07 2000 From: Rudy_Limeback at maritimelife.ca (rudy) Date: Mon Nov 6 14:12:07 2000 Subject: [thelist] Knuckle-headed SQL Question Message-ID: > Here's my solution for ASP/Access database... I'd be interested to know if > there is a better option .. this one works just fine for me tho, but am not > sure how well it does performance wise. > > SqlString = SqlString & "SELECT whatever FROM wherever " > SqlString = SqlString & "WHERE (Name LIKE '0%') OR (Name LIKE '1%') OR (Name > LIKE '2%') OR (Name LIKE '3%') OR (Name LIKE '4%') OR (Name LIKE '5%') OR > (Name LIKE '6%') OR (Name LIKE '7%') OR (Name LIKE '8%') OR (Name LIKE '9%') > " hi michele a better option? that depends on the database (access? mysql? sql/server? oracle? db2? informix?) it also depends on whether there are any indexes declared on the column in question -- no index, you get a scan of all the rows in the table note that using LIKE in a query causes (used to cause? i'm a bit out of touch with the latest database developments) some database optimizers to throw up their hands, figuratively speaking, and scan all the rows of the table regardless of whether an index exists it depends on how sophisticated the optimizer is in terms of calculating the potential number of input/output operations using the index to access the table rows, versus the number of i/o's just to scan all the table rows for a query such as LIKE 'fumblegoozer%' in a 15-character column, using the index might be efficient for a query such as LIKE '%foo' (in any size column), the index would be pretty useless anyhow, michele, for the example you gave, with ten LIKEs all OR'd together, just the fact that there are so many ORs might throw some optimizers off you might want to try where Name >= '0' instead, but be aware that you'll get everything that starts not only with a digit but also any other characters that collate higher than the 9 (although off the top of my head i can't think of any) furthermore, some optimizers will evaluate Name >= '0' favourably and will use the index after all finally, i really like james' idea of using REGEXP, but of course the particular database language has to support that rudy r937.com From talleman at autobex.com Mon Nov 6 14:16:21 2000 From: talleman at autobex.com (Tab Alleman) Date: Mon Nov 6 14:16:21 2000 Subject: [thelist] without whitespace. css? In-Reply-To: <8B8252E8924BD31193D800805FE63E6D0104CC8B@mzrmsx02.newcos.com> Message-ID: Well I tried putting both { margin: 0px ; } AND { margin-bottom: 0px ; } in my stylesheet, and neither had any effect. For good measure I also tried values of -30 for both. Still no effect. I'm viewing the page in IE 5.0 if that matters. -----Original Message----- Annoying, yes. You can get around it using CSS: form { margin: 0px ; } MS does list "form" as a possible selector for the margin property, and I'm not aware of anything in the W3C spec that would forbid it. hth, James Aylard From talleman at autobex.com Mon Nov 6 14:18:38 2000 From: talleman at autobex.com (Tab Alleman) Date: Mon Nov 6 14:18:38 2000 Subject: [thelist] without whitespace. css? In-Reply-To: <8870260038.20001107015154@online.sinor.ru> Message-ID: Ok.. when I put this Inline, it worked. Just not from my external style sheet. Weird, but ok. Thanks! -----Original Message-----
... This works for me.. From richard.morris at web-designers.co.uk Mon Nov 6 14:27:05 2000 From: richard.morris at web-designers.co.uk (Richard H. Morris) Date: Mon Nov 6 14:27:05 2000 Subject: [thelist] Also Looking for a New Host Message-ID: Hello All, We're having some operational problems with our current providers. I am therefore reluctantly looking at moving our entire portfolio over to a new host. This would include some 108 domains, c. 25+ web sites, and at least three dial-up accounts if possible. Traffic/bandwidth is reasonably low - less than ?GB per month on any of them - and our only other web hosting requirements are NT servers with FrontPage 2000 Extensions to allow some of our Clients to update their own content. Physical size is also small - less than 50MB in total, I'd estimate. *The host must be based or operated from the UK* as we need to be able to have telephone support at times that suit us - we're UK-based too. We also need to be able to sue in the UK Courts if anything goes seriously wrong... We do not have our own IP/ISP Tags so that we would need our new hosts to handle domain name registration in the .uk and .com namespaces for us. Ideally we'd have our own designated server: our current provider managed to get a virus which wasn't picked up by its AV package. This migrated its way through all the web servers, taking out (repeatedly) eight of our web sites... Another wrinkle is that we'd need some form of open SMTP mail server so that we and our Clients could send and receive e-mail whilst connecting with a variety of ISPs worldwide. Any recommendations? _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Richard H. Morris, Director, Web Designers Ltd http://www.web-designers.co.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Registered in England No 3506389 Registered Office: 3 Church Street Wymondham Norfolk NR18 0PH Trading Address: 4 Maden Close Wymondham Norfolk NR18 0UA T: +44 (0)1953 606158 F: +44 (0)1953 606185 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From jaylard at equilon.com Mon Nov 6 14:56:00 2000 From: jaylard at equilon.com (Aylard JA (James)) Date: Mon Nov 6 14:56:00 2000 Subject: [thelist] without whitespace. css? Message-ID: <8B8252E8924BD31193D800805FE63E6D0104CC8C@mzrmsx02.newcos.com> Tab, > Ok.. when I put this Inline, it worked. Just not from my external style > sheet. Weird, but ok. Thanks! I would have to say that you had a syntax error, or that some other value was overriding your linked style sheet then. I have had no problems with either linked or embedded style sheets eliminating the form margin in IE4+. James Aylard From mwarden at odyssey-design.com Mon Nov 6 15:49:11 2000 From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Mon Nov 6 15:49:11 2000 Subject: [thelist] [ASP] Need some help saving a record SOLVED References: <001f01c04777$6ae44900$d6e6869f@mpgalvin> <005501c04778$3d643980$487b5acf@mwardenlaptop> <002b01c04785$7d4d1500$8de3869f@mpgalvin> <00ba01c04786$6c6015c0$487b5acf@mwardenlaptop> <000001c047e1$5a6bc5c0$10e3869f@mpgalvin> Message-ID: <021501c0483b$5c4574e0$597b5acf@mwardenlaptop> > set filter on database to category code > dim fieldname, n > n = 1 > loop > fieldname = "skilldesc" & cstr(n) > recordset.description = Request.QueryString(fieldname) > n=n+1 > adors.Update > adors.MoveNext > end loop are you not assuming that there are records starting at 1 and going on from there hitting each integer? And I don't see how the loop ever stops... how would you know when to stop the loop? > (It does of course make the assumption that the order of the fields on the > posting form are the same as the order of the records in the db. Is this a > horrible assumption to make?) Maybe, maybe not. Just don't delete any records ;-) -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From sam at sam-i-am.com Mon Nov 6 17:00:11 2000 From: sam at sam-i-am.com (Sam-I-Am) Date: Mon Nov 6 17:00:11 2000 Subject: [thelist] Word to HTML References: <8025698B.0045ABA0.00@uk-emamta003.ema.pwcinternal.com> Message-ID: <3A073776.ABE98916@sam-i-am.com> turns out all the conversions work a lot better with a word 98 document. Lists are lists etc.. Not so in Office2000 Don't know why. > Actually, the best Word->HTML I've seen is done by FrontPage > (Word & FP 97/8 - ymmv on 2k versions). As long as it's just > a simple text page, then there's not much for FP to screw with. that's true.. I used to keep it installed for just that reason. Might come back to that one. thanks sam From icongarden at icongarden.com Mon Nov 6 17:03:23 2000 From: icongarden at icongarden.com (Jacob Stetser) Date: Mon Nov 6 17:03:23 2000 Subject: [thelist] looking for serious hosting Message-ID: <20001106230212.MKCE26316.femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com@localhost> I don't mean to start anything, but I've worked with sites on CIHost before and so have several people I know. Their technical support and their speed are both extremely slow. I'm not sure of their prices lately, but the latest victim (that I know) of their appeal has told me they are reasonable. However, given how slow their servers have been in my experience, coupled with the fact that their technical support is slow and usually ineffectual, I couldn't recommend them. Anecdote: I wrote a small PHP upload script for the friend in question and we discovered that the upload limit for PHP was 2 MB. That setting is easily changeable in php.ini. Perl, on the other hand, was set with an upload limit of 10 MB. Tech support refused to change that setting for parity between the two environments, saying it would 'break scripts' (not bloody likely), and that we should consider a dedicated host if we want to change it. I've administered a PHP installation before and changing the upload limit will not break scripts. Most likely the admins are using default Red Hat installs and rpms and have no idea how to change it. Do you want to host with someone like that? On Monday, November 6, 2000, at 09:34 AM, Tom Webb wrote: > We use CIHOST at www.cihost.com. They have the best prices and best service. > Tom Webb > From icongarden at icongarden.com Mon Nov 6 17:17:33 2000 From: icongarden at icongarden.com (Jacob Stetser) Date: Mon Nov 6 17:17:33 2000 Subject: [thelist] Re: Re: cross browser test this site... please... Message-ID: <20001106231751.PTWT2160.femail8.sdc1.sfba.home.com@localhost> Let it float in a single color background, ala http://contest.arcadus.com .. click on the HTML version (I made this :) On the other hand, the Flash version is a popup. Jake Stetser On Monday, November 6, 2000, at 02:14 PM, Jason Fields wrote: > Heya... > > Thanks for all the comments... Obviously some of the stuff you made notes on > was out of context... as the site splash is not done... and neither is some > of the content... but aside from that the site is pretty solid... > > I know that it does not work in a number of browsers on the PC side... and > I guess I was looking for more specific examples (ie. javascript help), but > thats ok... > > Its funny that I have gotten alot of people commenting on the popup > window... which brings me to another questions... how do you recommend > maintaining a user experience in a custom environment... if you are so > annoyed with the spawning window? I particularly dont like the browser > controls as such... (you know the home button, email, balh blah blah) > > Just food for thought... > > Thanks again for your screenshots, feedback, comments, etc... I will let you > all know when the site officially goes live... > > Cheers, > Jason. > > > ------------------------------ > v1 consulting > 1730 20th street, lower unit > san francisco, ca 94107 usa > > +1.415.642.2808 office.us > +1.415.823.5353 mobile.us > +1.603.697.8394 efax.us > > +44.7092.21.1995 mobile.ec > > http://www.v1c.net/ > mailto:jason at v1c.net > ------------------------------ > > > --------------------------------------- > For unsubscribe and other options, including > the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: > http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! > > From sam at sam-i-am.com Mon Nov 6 17:30:48 2000 From: sam at sam-i-am.com (Sam-I-Am) Date: Mon Nov 6 17:30:48 2000 Subject: [thelist] Having FTP problems. Suggestions? References: Message-ID: <3A073EA1.55CF563A@sam-i-am.com> you should check out FTP Voyager. (http://www.ftpvoyager.com/) It has a synchronize feature that is very powerful - it'll compare local and remote directories and upload only those files that need uploading (based on modified dates or size). It can do this recursively on subdirectories. Sam > The problem is this: The website has dozens of folders. Each folder has a > numberof HTM, HTML, CFM and image files. I can't seem to find a way in the > WS_FTP Pro program to exclude certain folders, or to prompt me to PUT only > certain folders. Is there a way? Can another program accomplish this? I > recently updated a library item, thereby updating all HTM pages, and need a > way to move all at once. How?? > From mpgalvin at eircom.net Mon Nov 6 17:40:33 2000 From: mpgalvin at eircom.net (Michael Galvin) Date: Mon Nov 6 17:40:33 2000 Subject: [thelist] [ASP] Need some help saving a record SOLVED References: <001f01c04777$6ae44900$d6e6869f@mpgalvin> <005501c04778$3d643980$487b5acf@mwardenlaptop> <002b01c04785$7d4d1500$8de3869f@mpgalvin> <00ba01c04786$6c6015c0$487b5acf@mwardenlaptop> <000001c047e1$5a6bc5c0$10e3869f@mpgalvin> <021501c0483b$5c4574e0$597b5acf@mwardenlaptop> Message-ID: <001b01c0484b$85772920$02e3869f@mpgalvin> Yeah, I made a bit of an FU on the first try. It worked fine for one certain filter, but screwed up at all other times. So, I got this instead: set filter dim fieldname loop while not EOF fieldname = "skilldesc" & adoRS("skillcode") adors("description") = Request.QueryString(fieldname) Update MoveNext end loop Works like a charm (again), but this time all I'm doing it re-creating the unique fieldname ("skilldesc"+code) and then using that to fill the description. If the code of the current record in the RS doesn't match the code used to name the field in the form, nothing happens. I tell ya, if the A-team had had me on their team, well, they'd have still been held in a hut with all the parts required to make a tank, but their ASP files would have worked really well too! m. ----- Original Message ----- From: Warden, Matt To: Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 9:48 PM Subject: Re: [thelist] [ASP] Need some help saving a record SOLVED | > set filter on database to category code | > dim fieldname, n | > n = 1 | > loop | > fieldname = "skilldesc" & cstr(n) | > recordset.description = Request.QueryString(fieldname) | > n=n+1 | > adors.Update | > adors.MoveNext | > end loop | | are you not assuming that there are records starting at 1 and going on from | there hitting each integer? And I don't see how the loop ever stops... how | would you know when to stop the loop? | | > (It does of course make the assumption that the order of the fields on the | > posting form are the same as the order of the records in the db. Is this a | > horrible assumption to make?) | | Maybe, maybe not. Just don't delete any records ;-) | | | | -- | mattwarden | mattwarden.com | | | --------------------------------------- | For unsubscribe and other options, including | the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: | http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! | From seth at sethbienek.com Mon Nov 6 19:47:45 2000 From: seth at sethbienek.com (Seth Bienek) Date: Mon Nov 6 19:47:45 2000 Subject: [thelist] CF Developers Conference In-Reply-To: <01A056931BA6D011AE630000F84A8012056FD129@kscmbs41.ksc.nasa.gov> Message-ID: Hi Katie, I'm getting a drinking party together for tomorrow night. Interested? Don't really have firm plans, but so far it's some guys (and gal) from Stonebridge (where I work) and Marlene Bruce and whoever else from Evolt that I can get ahold of.. We have a pretty fun bunch, lemme know if you're interested. If you (and whoever else) would like to join us, call me on the celly -- 972-814-7628, or leave a message at my room --202-328-2000 Room #2208. My cell phone seems to be kind of hit and miss up here. Take Care, Seth ------------------------------ Seth Bienek Solutions Development Manager Stonebridge Technologies, Inc. 972.455.7294 tel 972.404.9754 fax ------------------------------ > -----Original Message----- > From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org > [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Howell, Katie > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 9:40 AM > To: thelist at lists.evolt.org > Subject: RE: [thelist] CF Developers Conference > > > I'll be there. Plan on attending CF_Underground too! > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Evans [mailto:chris at fuseware.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 9:38 AM > To: thelist at lists.evolt.org > Subject: [thelist] CF Developers Conference > > > Is anybody heading out to the CF developers conference in DC next > week, and > would be interested in getting a few beers? Maybe a small evolt > gathering? > > > Chris Evans > chris at fuseware.com > http://www.fuseware.com > > > > --------------------------------------- > For unsubscribe and other options, including > the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: > http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! > > --------------------------------------- > For unsubscribe and other options, including > the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: > http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From seth.bienek at sbti.com Mon Nov 6 19:49:08 2000 From: seth.bienek at sbti.com (Seth Bienek) Date: Mon Nov 6 19:49:08 2000 Subject: [thelist] Washington, D.C. Message-ID: Is anyone else here in DC, for the Allaire conference or otherwise? We are organizing a drinking party for tomorrow night. If you're here (or can be ;), call me on the celly -- 972-814-7628, or leave a message at my room --202-328-2000 Room #2208. My cell phone seems to be kind of hit and miss up here. Seth ------------------------------ Seth Bienek Solutions Development Manager Stonebridge Technologies, Inc. 972.455.7294 tel 972.404.9754 fax ------------------------------ From seth at sethbienek.com Mon Nov 6 19:54:15 2000 From: seth at sethbienek.com (Seth Bienek) Date: Mon Nov 6 19:54:15 2000 Subject: [thelist] CF Developers Conference In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Oops. That goes for all y'all too. :) Seth > If you (and whoever else) would like to join us, call me on the celly -- > 972-814-7628, > or leave a message at my room --202-328-2000 Room #2208. My cell phone > seems to be kind of hit and miss up here. From comitque at hotmail.com Mon Nov 6 19:56:57 2000 From: comitque at hotmail.com (Andrew Martin) Date: Mon Nov 6 19:56:57 2000 Subject: [thelist] AOL In-Reply-To: <20001107014928.DD5B06BA4E@relay.evolt.org> Message-ID: is there a way to download an AOL 3.0 browser or emulator? Or do I just have to guess what it'll look like? From bharoche at usa.net Mon Nov 6 21:31:43 2000 From: bharoche at usa.net (Bob Haroche) Date: Mon Nov 6 21:31:43 2000 Subject: [thelist] AOL References: Message-ID: <002d01c0486b$456ac6a0$5d96ccd1@desktop> AOL has an ftp server which has old browsers, but if I remember right it doesn't have v. 3. If you have access to a Win95b machine, that OS came with v. 3 bundled. Here's a link that also might help: http://webmaster.info.aol.com/ From steve at newmediacreations.com Mon Nov 6 21:36:17 2000 From: steve at newmediacreations.com (Steven Stalzer) Date: Mon Nov 6 21:36:17 2000 Subject: [thelist] mSQL data lose/NULL Records Message-ID: <200011070336.WAA22298@gtei2.bellatlantic.net> While we seem to be talking about SQL issues, here is a tough one I've been dealing with. We have a mSQL database which is populated with information about web activity on our website using the msql Perl module. We've had the system set up to record activity for a few weeks now. We have started to notice that NULL records are appearing in various places in the tables (i.e. all fields for the record are NULL), and when this happens, it seems to be clobbering existing records. There are two things which are weird about this: first of all, we never create records under any circumstance in which all fields are null; secondly, the tables are usually defined so that at least one of the fields is set to NOT NULL, so even if we wanted to put NULLS in there, we wouldn't be able to. Here's a bit of a dump so you can see what I mean (notice that the records for cookie_id, where cookie_id >= 10017 and <=10054 are gone - they were THERE on a dump just 3 days ago): CREATE TABLE User_ID ( cookie_id INT NOT NULL, last_session_ts INT, last_srch_req INT, last_merch_id TEXT(12), first_session_ts INT, first_referral INT, last_ipaddress CHAR(15), reserved01 INT, reserved02 INT, reserved03 INT, reserved04 INT, reserved05 INT, reserved06 INT, reserved07 INT ) \g CREATE UNIQUE INDEX u_idx ON User_ID ( cookie_id ) \g CREATE SEQUENCE ON User_ID STEP 1 VALUE 13344 \g # # Dumping data for table 'User_ID' # ###### SNIP ####### INSERT INTO User_ID VALUES (10015,2386,0,'',170,16,'216.67.67.70',NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL)\g INSERT INTO User_ID VALUES (10016,171,0,'papa',171,22,'199.173.8.182',NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL)\g INSERT INTO User_ID VALUES (NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL)\g INSERT INTO User_ID VALUES (10055,270,0,'',270,14,'207.162.143.51',NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL)\g INSERT INTO User_ID VALUES (10056,272,0,'',271,0,'24.91.194.72',NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL,NULL)\g ###### SNIP ####### It seems impossible that we are somehow inserting those NULLS, but if anyone knows of a circumstance in which NULLS can in fact be inserted into fields defined as NOT NULL, I'd be all ears. It looks to me like the database is getting corrupted by some other force. We are hosting our site and database virtually (UNIX), and I have yet to be able to convince anyone at their tech support center that in fact this is their problem, rather than ours. Anyone have any insight or experience with this? Many thanks. -- Steven Stalzer www.townvalues.com New Media Creations, Inc. From djc at five2one.org Mon Nov 6 21:37:04 2000 From: djc at five2one.org (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Mon Nov 6 21:37:04 2000 Subject: [thelist] [Fwd: Would like to post freelance opportunity in DC area] Message-ID: <3A0777D8.4DC75C9C@five2one.org> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Would like to post freelance opportunity in DC area Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 13:37:39 EST From: SAWenick at aol.com To: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org hello: My name is Steve Wenick and I am a long-time lurker in this list. Additionally I am sole proprietor of Reallynet Design & Services, providing web design services to businesses and organizations in the DC area. I have an immediate need to hire a freelance web developer for help on a potential contract. Is this an appropriate post to your list? Steve W. reallynet > it's time you got on the net...really! From thesite at lists.evolt.org Tue Nov 7 00:00:53 2000 From: thesite at lists.evolt.org (thesite at lists.evolt.org) Date: Tue Nov 7 00:00:53 2000 Subject: [thelist] Headlines from evolt.org for 07-Nov-00 Message-ID: <200011070600.AAA13019@poet.oracular.com> evolt.org headlines for 07-Nov-00 IBM relaunch browser for the blind http://evolt.org/index.cfm?menu=8&catid=21&cid=3685 Happy reading... the evolt.org admin team From lisa at koolfish.com Tue Nov 7 01:26:00 2000 From: lisa at koolfish.com (Lisa Bartholomew) Date: Tue Nov 7 01:26:00 2000 Subject: [thelist] RE:Translations Message-ID: > At 12:26 +0100 02/10/2000, Richard H. Morris wrote: > >does anyone have > >any experience and advice on how to get the translated material > incorporated > >into a web site? try http://webtechniques.com/archives/2000/09/yunker/ The article is called speaking in Charsets, building a multilingual web site. Hope that helps Lisa. From Anthony at Baratta.com Tue Nov 7 01:26:05 2000 From: Anthony at Baratta.com (Anthony Baratta) Date: Tue Nov 7 01:26:05 2000 Subject: [thelist] mSQL data lose/NULL Records References: <200011070336.WAA22298@gtei2.bellatlantic.net> Message-ID: <3A0784D9.E7D082B3@Baratta.com> Steve.... If you have the option, move to mySQL. Its 1000% better. I've used both and have found mySQL a ton better. Have you tried dropping your indexes and rebuilding them? How much total data are you holding in your tables? Maybe you should have the logs dumped to a text file, then parsed and inserted into the tables on a daily basis. Good Luck. -- Anthony Baratta President KeyBoard Jockeys South Park Speaks Version 3 is here!!! http://www.baratta.com/southpark Powered by Tsunami From lisa at koolfish.com Tue Nov 7 03:59:14 2000 From: lisa at koolfish.com (Lisa Bartholomew) Date: Tue Nov 7 03:59:14 2000 Subject: [thelist] blending 2 photographs together so you can not see the edges Message-ID: Can anyone point me in the right direction please. Using Photoshop, if you have a series of images in a row all joined together, how do you get rid of the joining line, especially if the images are quite different colours. Thanks Lisa. From lizlawson at charitycards.co.uk Tue Nov 7 04:15:32 2000 From: lizlawson at charitycards.co.uk (Liz Lawson) Date: Tue Nov 7 04:15:32 2000 Subject: [thelist] blending 2 photographs together so you can not see the edges Message-ID: <00b401c048a3$ae298680$03c812ac@liz> 1) quick, dirty 'n' nasty i) is your row on a tranparent layer ? check "preserve transparency". If it's on a flat background, select the row only, cut it out and paste it on a new layer, check "preserve transparency". ii) make a selection around a joining line and feather it (ctrl+D), then use the guassian blur filter to blur the join 2) a much better way, but you'll lose some of the width of each image i) cut up your row so that each image is on a separate layer ii) rearrange the row with an overlap between each image iii) add a layer mask to each layer except the lowest one by click on the shaded circle button at the bottom of the layers palette iv) for each layer, make sure the layer mask rather than the layer itself is active by clicking on the mask in the layer list (the right hand rectangle). You can tell because where there is usually an eye to the right of thelayer in the layer list, there will be the shaded circle icon. Now, painting black on the mask wil make the layer transprent and reveal the one below. (white will paint the upper layer back again). Use the airbrush the merge the two images with complete control. (You can get rid os the mask by drgging it to the wastebasket at the bottom of the layers palette, or switch it off temporarily by shift-clicking it.) HTH Liz >Can anyone point me in the right direction please. >Using Photoshop, if you have a series of images in a row all joined >together, how do you get rid of the joining line, especially if the images >are quite different colours. >Thanks >Lisa. > > From martin.p.burns at uk.pwcglobal.com Tue Nov 7 04:53:37 2000 From: martin.p.burns at uk.pwcglobal.com (martin.p.burns at uk.pwcglobal.com) Date: Tue Nov 7 04:53:37 2000 Subject: [thelist] without whitespace. css? Message-ID: <80256990.003B89A4.00@uk-emamta003.ema.pwcinternal.com> Memo from Martin P Burns of PricewaterhouseCoopers -------------------- Start of message text -------------------- I wonder if applying the space-after property to
would do the trick, as it does with

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From lizlawson at charitycards.co.uk Tue Nov 7 06:02:36 2000 From: lizlawson at charitycards.co.uk (Liz Lawson) Date: Tue Nov 7 06:02:36 2000 Subject: [thelist] blending 2 photographs together so you can not see the edges Message-ID: <000a01c048b2$9a1dd9c0$03c812ac@liz> >ii) make a selection around a joining line and feather it (ctrl+D), then use >the guassian blur filter to blur the join oops crtl+alt+D for feather (sorry) Liz From martin.p.burns at uk.pwcglobal.com Tue Nov 7 07:16:37 2000 From: martin.p.burns at uk.pwcglobal.com (martin.p.burns at uk.pwcglobal.com) Date: Tue Nov 7 07:16:37 2000 Subject: [thelist] Word to HTML Message-ID: <80256990.0048877B.00@uk-emamta003.ema.pwcinternal.com> Memo from Martin P Burns of PricewaterhouseCoopers -------------------- Start of message text -------------------- Word 97's "Save as HTML" isn't too bad - the only thing to watch out for are tags, which are easy to strip out. Although again, this works best with simple text pages, and then you stick the output into the HTML template of your choice either manually or with a simple CMS such as the one we have on thesite. Cheers Martin Please respond to thelist at lists.evolt.org To: thelist at lists.evolt.org cc: Subject: Re: [thelist] Word to HTML turns out all the conversions work a lot better with a word 98 document. Lists are lists etc.. Not so in Office2000 Don't know why. > Actually, the best Word->HTML I've seen is done by FrontPage > (Word & FP 97/8 - ymmv on 2k versions). As long as it's just > a simple text page, then there's not much for FP to screw with. that's true.. I used to keep it installed for just that reason. Might come back to that one. --------------------- End of message text -------------------- The principal place of business of PricewaterhouseCoopers and its associate partnerships is 1 Embankment Place, London WC2N 6NN where lists of the partners' names are available for inspection. 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From oliver at lineham.co.nz Tue Nov 7 07:29:18 2000 From: oliver at lineham.co.nz (Oliver Lineham) Date: Tue Nov 7 07:29:18 2000 Subject: [thelist] Problems with deleted records in Access Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20001108022339.017c4ce8@mail.paradise.net.nz> Hi all, I'm using an Access database for a site (with CF, not that it matters), and noticed something funny happen when I deleted some records in a table. Deleting the records was fine, but when a new record was added later one or two of the deleted records reappeared. I deleted them again, but the reappeared again when more records were added. This freaked me out - if it happens when the site is "live" it could be a real disaster. Is this a known problem with Access? Obviously it is a problem with the table index getting corrupt, but does anyone know what might have caused that to happen? One solution I might use is to never delete records, and just use a "deleted" boolean field - but this is a pain, complicates every query on the site, and would waste space. Perhaps a "deleted" field is a good way to design databases regardless - i'm not sure. Any insight at all appreciated. ____________________________________________________ v i b e m e d i a http://www.vibe.co.nz/ po box 10-492 wellington, new zealand phone +64 21 210-7845 oliver at lineham.co.nz From Ron.Luther at COMPAQ.com Tue Nov 7 07:50:39 2000 From: Ron.Luther at COMPAQ.com (Luther, Ron) Date: Tue Nov 7 07:50:39 2000 Subject: [thelist] Problems with deleted records in Access Message-ID: <446A57B73D16D411811B00508B6CA242023B6967@cceexc03.cce.cpqcorp.net> Hi Oliver, Yeah ... sometimes keeping a 'deleted' field is a good idea... but it isn't always required! However, the only guess I have for your problem is that maybe you are not closing the recordset after the deletes ... before doing the new inserts.... Pretty lame ... but it's the only guess I have this early in the day! HTH, Ron L. -----Original Message----- From: Oliver Lineham [mailto:oliver at lineham.co.nz] Subject: [thelist] Problems with deleted records in Access Deleting the records was fine, but when a new record was added later one or two of the deleted records reappeared. I deleted them again, but the reappeared again when more records were added. From oliver at lineham.co.nz Tue Nov 7 08:01:39 2000 From: oliver at lineham.co.nz (Oliver Lineham) Date: Tue Nov 7 08:01:39 2000 Subject: [thelist] Problems with deleted records in Access In-Reply-To: <446A57B73D16D411811B00508B6CA242023B6967@cceexc03.cce.cpqc orp.net> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20001108030000.025694e8@mail.paradise.net.nz> At 07:50 7/11/2000 -0600, you wrote: >However, the only guess I have for your problem is that maybe you are not >closing the recordset after the deletes ... before doing the new inserts.... What do you mean? I always use a if that's an equivalent thing. ps 7.50am? it's 3am here. ____________________________________________________ v i b e m e d i a http://www.vibe.co.nz/ po box 10-492 wellington, new zealand phone +64 21 210-7845 oliver at lineham.co.nz From Ron.Luther at COMPAQ.com Tue Nov 7 08:16:52 2000 From: Ron.Luther at COMPAQ.com (Luther, Ron) Date: Tue Nov 7 08:16:52 2000 Subject: [thelist] Problems with deleted records in Access Message-ID: <446A57B73D16D411811B00508B6CA242023B6968@cceexc03.cce.cpqcorp.net> Hmmmmm .... Sorry ... I'm not that experienced with CF ... I've used CF for displaying data [select] ... but I've only used ASP for db deletes and updates. (Which is where I've always made sure to close out my recorsets.) In my reading, I thought the was for wrapping multiple table activities into a single bundle that would 'commit' or 'rollback' as a package .... {Or maybe I just kind of assumed that -- since that's what everyone else uses 'transactions' for!} If that's true ... it's sounding as though you are hitting some kind of err/failure before you reach the end of the complete transaction ... in which case everything that was bundled into that transaction would be 'rolled back' or 'undone' .... e.g. (1) delete some record from table A -- success! (2) insert a record into table B -- success! (3) modify a record in table C -- success! (4) delete a record from table D -- failure! If the above vaguely resembles what you have ... then YEP ... the record deletion in table A will be 'rolled back' -- as if it never happened ... because the entire transaction has to succeed or fail as an entire unit. Does that help any? Ron L.

... You're talking about the CSS property which immediately precedes "space-alien", right?? :) Where is "space-after" defined? Haven't seen that one, I guess... James Aylard From mcmurd at ccaa.edu Tue Nov 7 11:09:18 2000 From: mcmurd at ccaa.edu (Daniel McMurray) Date: Tue Nov 7 11:09:18 2000 Subject: [thelist] Brainbench Certification In-Reply-To: <009801c048d9$eecba340$5a2730d5@harrypotter> Message-ID: To add to this, I was interviewed for a training position last may/june, and they asked me if I had taken any certification tests. When I asked if Brainbench counted, they said "That's what we use, too." So....it may be in the severe minority, but it is used for professional purposes at least a little. Hope this helps! Dan On Tue, 7 Nov 2000, Norman Beresford wrote: > Hi Annie > > AFAIK you can retake the exam after you've taken it. I took the HTML one > and got Master status at it with no problem, I also took the ASP one and > passed that easily as well. If you really want to get Master status then > you could have a handy reference book/document to hand - which kind of > defeats the point but does show that you can find information quickly :) > > I don't know how much use Brainbench certification would be in getting a > job. All of the interviews I've been to have asked for example URLs and > given tests on the spot, which removes the need for certification such as > Brainbenches. > > Norman > > > --------------------------------------- > For unsubscribe and other options, including > the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: > http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From sgd at ti3.com Tue Nov 7 11:10:53 2000 From: sgd at ti3.com (Scott Dexter) Date: Tue Nov 7 11:10:53 2000 Subject: [thelist] more forms and CSS --making boxes invisible Message-ID: <8C8B8745C0FE7A43BFA6CABAB321117223F64B@gate.ti3.com> I've been tasked with making text input boxes not look like text input boxes, specifically, I gotta remove the border and make just the text inside visible (its a read-only field, and we don't want users thinking they should be trying to input to it). I got IE behaving: ... so can I get Netscape to behave and remove the box border? Or does NN still puke on this portion of CSS? --and IE still has the font color gray because the item is "disabled" --it seems to ignore the color setting in the class .... T-T-T-TIA sgd -- work: http://www.ti3.com/ non: http://thinksafely.org/ From aphelan at confederationc.on.ca Tue Nov 7 11:17:11 2000 From: aphelan at confederationc.on.ca (aphelan (Andrea Phelan)) Date: Tue Nov 7 11:17:11 2000 Subject: [thelist] Brainbench Certification > Options? Message-ID: What options for certification are available then? I know alot of Web Developers are self taught, as I am, is there any standard cert. at all? >So....it may be in the severe minority, but it is used for professional purposes at least a little. From sebastien at oven.com Tue Nov 7 11:24:24 2000 From: sebastien at oven.com (Seb Barre) Date: Tue Nov 7 11:24:24 2000 Subject: [thelist] Servlet/Java hosting help? Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20001107121515.00acf828@pop.oven.com> Hi all, I'm doing a bit of personal research into hosting providers that can host custom Java servlets with database access, and possibly (this is the tough one), custom server-side Java programs (basically a socket server for real-time communication with a client application). The second one is really what I'm looking for, but based on my research so far, I may have to settle for a servlet approach because I have yet to find a hosting provider that will let me run my own server application on their box, even if it's Java-based and runs in the JVM's security sandbox. Price is a minor concern, but I'll consider anything at this point. The only other criteria is scaleability. I could host this on my own server, but major traffic would bring it to it's knees rather quickly, so I'm looking for enterprise-level stuff preferably. Any suggestions are welcome, I'm not having much luck on my own.. Thanks! --- -- - Seb Barre - seb at oven.com OVEN Digital Toronto Work: 416-595-9750 x 222 Mobile: 416-254-5078 http://www.oven.com/ From steve at newmediacreations.com Tue Nov 7 11:24:50 2000 From: steve at newmediacreations.com (Steven Stalzer) Date: Tue Nov 7 11:24:50 2000 Subject: [thelist] mSQL data lose/NULL Records Message-ID: <200011071724.MAA17968@gtei1.bellatlantic.net> I know we have mySQL and thought about upgrading, but I'm not sure if all of the Perl scripts would have to be rewritten yet. I *THINK* the mysql Perl API is very similar, but not sure if its available on our host. Have you found mySQL to be more reliable? Our database right now is only about 1.2 MB, and I understand that the possibility for corruption in mSQL is high when it gets over 10MB or so, which won't be for several months. I have dumped, cleaned up, dropped all tables and indices, and rebuilt the database already once, but not sure this is really a good long term solution. I'd be interested in hearing from anyone else who has experience with corrupted mSQL or mySQL databases, and/or can compare the two for reliability. I realize that mySQL has significantly more functionality, but it's integrity of data I'm most concerned with right now. Thanks. -- Steven Stalzer, CTO www.townvalues.com New Media Creations, Inc. ---------- > If you have the option, move to mySQL. Its 1000% better. I've used both and have > found mySQL a ton better. Have you tried dropping your indexes and rebuilding them? > How much total data are you holding in your tables? Maybe you should have the logs > dumped to a text file, then parsed and inserted into the tables on a daily basis. From bheerssen at iecommerce.net Tue Nov 7 11:33:44 2000 From: bheerssen at iecommerce.net (Bruce Heerssen) Date: Tue Nov 7 11:33:44 2000 Subject: [thelist] Brainbench Certification References: <009801c048d9$eecba340$5a2730d5@harrypotter> Message-ID: <3a083d0c$1@fuseware.com> "Norman Beresford" wrote in message news:009801c048d9$eecba340$5a2730d5 at harrypotter... > Hi Annie > > AFAIK you can retake the exam after you've taken it. Yes, you can re-take the exam. However, the previous results will still be available. There does not seem to be a way to specify which exam's results to make public - its an all or nothing deal. So if you do take the exam multiple times, a prospective employer can view the results of each exam (should you make them public). I guess that means that although you can take the exam multiple times, doing so may not be to your advantage. Would you hire a guy that had to take the HTML exam six times before getting a reasonable result? Moral: study hard before taking the exam. Have your reference manuals handy and know where to look in them for specific info before you start the exam. Although the tests do not seem to be too hard, there is an excellent possibility that they will cover some areas that you have yet to explore. -- Bruce From jaylard at equilon.com Tue Nov 7 11:35:58 2000 From: jaylard at equilon.com (Aylard JA (James)) Date: Tue Nov 7 11:35:58 2000 Subject: [thelist] more forms and CSS --making boxes invisible Message-ID: <8B8252E8924BD31193D800805FE63E6D0104CC92@mzrmsx02.newcos.com> sgd, > so can I get Netscape to behave and remove the box border? Or does NN still > puke on this portion of CSS? --and IE still has the font color gray because > the item is "disabled" --it seems to ignore the color setting in the class AFAIK, Netscape will not cooperate. With IE, try using the "readonly" attribute instead of the "disabled" attribute. hth, James Aylard From bheerssen at iecommerce.net Tue Nov 7 11:43:42 2000 From: bheerssen at iecommerce.net (Bruce Heerssen) Date: Tue Nov 7 11:43:42 2000 Subject: [thelist] more forms and CSS --making boxes invisible References: <8C8B8745C0FE7A43BFA6CABAB321117223F64B@gate.ti3.com> Message-ID: <3a083eea$1@fuseware.com> "Scott Dexter" wrote in message news:8C8B8745C0FE7A43BFA6CABAB321117223F64B at gate.ti3.com... > I've been tasked with making text input boxes not look like text input > boxes, specifically, I gotta remove the border and make just the text inside > visible (its a read-only field, and we don't want users thinking they should > be trying to input to it). > AFAIK, Netscape versions 4.x do not support css borders on text input boxes. I wonder though, if it's a read-only field, why not simply use the disabled attribute, or if borders and backgrounds are really a big deal, just display the text without the input field? If you need a field in the form, you could make it a hidden field. By using plain text for display, and a hidden form field for the value, you can circumvent all the display issues with input fields in IE and NN. From sam at sam-i-am.com Tue Nov 7 12:10:13 2000 From: sam at sam-i-am.com (Sam-I-Am) Date: Tue Nov 7 12:10:13 2000 Subject: [thelist] AOL References: <002d01c0486b$456ac6a0$5d96ccd1@desktop> Message-ID: <3A084504.CFD8E057@sam-i-am.com> for some reason I was under the impression that AOL automatically upgraded its users to the new version? (in which case backwards compatability for AOL is not such an issue) But I also have this feeling that I've been dreadfully and horribly wrong all this time :) Sam Bob Haroche wrote: > > AOL has an ftp server which has old browsers, but if I remember right it > doesn't have v. 3. If you have access to a Win95b machine, that OS came > with v. 3 bundled. > > Here's a link that also might help: > > http://webmaster.info.aol.com/ From gina at sitediva.com Tue Nov 7 12:20:34 2000 From: gina at sitediva.com (Gina K. Anderson) Date: Tue Nov 7 12:20:34 2000 Subject: [thelist] AOL In-Reply-To: <3A084504.CFD8E057@sam-i-am.com> Message-ID: <000201c048e7$803cfe20$6401a8c0@cinci.rr.com> |for some reason I was under the impression that AOL automatically |upgraded its users to the new version? |(in which case backwards compatability for AOL is not such an issue) |But I also have this feeling that I've been dreadfully and horribly |wrong all this time :) Sam, You don't get upgraded to newer *versions* automatically, you must download them. You can also install multiple versions of AOL on the same machine, I'm not sure if the browser gets overwritten though. AOL does however install these little updates from time to time for the particular version you are using. I might have an AOL3.0 installer around here somewhere. I'll look and let you know if I find one. Gina From mpgalvin at eircom.net Tue Nov 7 12:24:55 2000 From: mpgalvin at eircom.net (Michael Galvin) Date: Tue Nov 7 12:24:55 2000 Subject: [thelist] Sorting a SELECT form field Message-ID: <001701c048e8$74c5b360$6ae0869f@mpgalvin> How on earth do I sort a SELECT field? Surely there's a SORTED=TRUE property or something that I can attach to it. Michael From Anthony at Baratta.com Tue Nov 7 12:54:03 2000 From: Anthony at Baratta.com (Anthony Baratta) Date: Tue Nov 7 12:54:03 2000 Subject: [thelist] mSQL data lose/NULL Records References: <200011071724.MAA17968@gtei1.bellatlantic.net> Message-ID: <3A0848D3.21D2751@Baratta.com> Steven Stalzer wrote: > > I know we have mySQL and thought about upgrading, but I'm not sure if all of the > Perl scripts would have to be rewritten yet. I *THINK* the mysql Perl API is > very similar, but not sure if its available on our host. Have you found mySQL to > be more reliable? Our database right now is only about 1.2 MB, and I understand > that the possibility for corruption in mSQL is high when it gets over 10MB or > so, which won't be for several months. For what I do, there was no difference between using mSQL or mySQL. We currently have one mSQL database left, its not hammered that hard - and I nightly drop the 3/4 of the tables and rebuild them with new fresh data. Inserts are minimal on the other 1/3. My largest table is approx 425K rows. I don't have access to the actual db files, so I don't know how large this is, but the ASCII data file is 14 Mb. The performance is the biggest issue for us. Its horribly slow even with indexes. -- Anthony Baratta President KeyBoard Jockeys South Park Speaks Version 3 is here!!! http://www.baratta.com/southpark Powered by Tsunami From gina at sitediva.com Tue Nov 7 12:55:48 2000 From: gina at sitediva.com (Gina K. Anderson) Date: Tue Nov 7 12:55:48 2000 Subject: [thelist] AOL In-Reply-To: <000201c048e7$803cfe20$6401a8c0@cinci.rr.com> Message-ID: <000c01c048ec$6f350000$6401a8c0@cinci.rr.com> |I might have an AOL3.0 installer around here somewhere. |I'll look and let you know if I find one. |Gina Well, guess what--I found it ;) Old copy of AOL 3.0 for Windows. If anyone is interested in it, let me know. I wrote Andrew offlist. Gina From talleman at autobex.com Tue Nov 7 13:08:17 2000 From: talleman at autobex.com (Tab Alleman) Date: Tue Nov 7 13:08:17 2000 Subject: [thelist] Sorting a SELECT form field In-Reply-To: <001701c048e8$74c5b360$6ae0869f@mpgalvin> Message-ID: If it's a dynamic field, and I'm sure it must be or you wouldn't need to ask how to sort it, the only way I know is to sort the data before you use it to create the field.. in other words, I don't think you can do that with html. -----Original Message----- From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Michael Galvin Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 1:28 PM To: thelist Subject: [thelist] Sorting a SELECT form field How on earth do I sort a SELECT field? Surely there's a SORTED=TRUE property or something that I can attach to it. Michael --------------------------------------- For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From ppk at xs4all.nl Tue Nov 7 13:10:02 2000 From: ppk at xs4all.nl (Peter-Paul Koch) Date: Tue Nov 7 13:10:02 2000 Subject: [thelist] Re: more forms and CSS --making boxes invisible Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20001107201202.008b8100@pop.xs4all.nl> >I've been tasked with making text input boxes not look like text input >boxes, specifically, I gotta remove the border and make just the text inside >visible (its a read-only field, and we don't want users thinking they should >be trying to input to it). You're out of luck with Netscape 4. But why do you want to make an input box at all if the user can't change it anyway? If you need to send the information to the server, use a INPUT TYPE="hidden". If it's just a convenience for the user, use plain text. ppk From seb at admin.evolt.org Tue Nov 7 13:31:45 2000 From: seb at admin.evolt.org (Seb) Date: Tue Nov 7 13:31:45 2000 Subject: [thelist] MySQL & perl question References: <5.0.0.25.0.20001107113311.02cd0dd0@pop.oven.com> Message-ID: <00a301c048f1$6788a320$ac32a8c0@issntdev57> > >We would like to implement a feature that will prevent users from "flooding" > >message boards with the same message over a short period of time (a few > >minutes). > > > >However, we are not sure how to do that. Anyone have any ideas? We currently > >have about 200-300 messages posted daily, and the numbers are growing all > >the time. Without the overhead of hitting the DB, when somebody posts, set a cookie with an expiry of about 1 hour, and keep track of the number of posts in that cookie. If the cookie already exists, just increment the counter in the cookie. When the number of posts/hour exceeds your limit, block the user until the cookie expires. Of course, if the user realises you're using cookies to flood, they could just disable them. So you could require cookies. Up to you. If you're using a server-side tech that supports sessions, you could just track the #posts in a session variable. Finally, rather than searching the posts themselves by user and time range, you could just rotate hourly log files that track by user id/IP address and #posts, and pattern match through them. Of course, this adds the overhead of file handles. Remember, tracking by IP means that you're going to end up tracking a lot of people through firewalls. Especially AOL users, so you'll need to make allowances for multiple users through the same IP. Seb. From mpgalvin at eircom.net Tue Nov 7 13:37:54 2000 From: mpgalvin at eircom.net (Michael Galvin) Date: Tue Nov 7 13:37:54 2000 Subject: [thelist] Sorting a SELECT form field References: Message-ID: <003101c048f2$a956d6e0$8de2869f@mpgalvin> Thanks. Since it's on an ASP page, and I'm creating the select list from a db, I just put an ORDER BY statement into my .open and Bob's my aunt's husband. ----- Original Message ----- From: Tab Alleman To: Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 7:07 PM Subject: RE: [thelist] Sorting a SELECT form field | If it's a dynamic field, and I'm sure it must be or you wouldn't need to ask | how to sort it, the only way I know is to sort the data before you use it to | create the field.. in other words, I don't think you can do that with html. | | -----Original Message----- | From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org | [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Michael Galvin | Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 1:28 PM | To: thelist | Subject: [thelist] Sorting a SELECT form field | | | How on earth do I sort a SELECT field? Surely there's a SORTED=TRUE | property or something that I can attach to it. | | Michael | | | --------------------------------------- | For unsubscribe and other options, including | the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: | http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! | | | --------------------------------------- | For unsubscribe and other options, including | the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: | http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! | From Anthony at Baratta.com Tue Nov 7 13:43:21 2000 From: Anthony at Baratta.com (Anthony Baratta) Date: Tue Nov 7 13:43:21 2000 Subject: [thelist] Sorting a SELECT form field References: <001701c048e8$74c5b360$6ae0869f@mpgalvin> Message-ID: <3A085183.6D149F0@Baratta.com> Michael Galvin wrote: > > How on earth do I sort a SELECT field? Surely there's a SORTED=TRUE > property or something that I can attach to it. No such animal in HTML. You'll need to manually alphabetize or make sure you sort the data before writing the HTML programmatically. -- Anthony Baratta President KeyBoard Jockeys South Park Speaks Version 3 is here!!! http://www.baratta.com/southpark Powered by Tsunami From Rudy_Limeback at maritimelife.ca Tue Nov 7 13:53:11 2000 From: Rudy_Limeback at maritimelife.ca (rudy) Date: Tue Nov 7 13:53:11 2000 Subject: [thelist] Sorting a SELECT form field Message-ID: > I don't think you can do that with html. hi tab not html, but javascript ;o) michael used an ORDER BY (yay!) to get the options into the desired sequence before displaying the page if you want a client-side sort facility, feel free to steal my code here -- http://r937.com/sortdropdown.html there's a button which says Save Changes, it just displays a javascript alert to show the sorted items, it doesn't actually save anything (write me offlist if you want the cf code that does save) rudy r937.com From icongarden at icongarden.com Tue Nov 7 17:25:34 2000 From: icongarden at icongarden.com (Jacob Stetser) Date: Tue Nov 7 17:25:34 2000 Subject: [thelist] looking for serious hosting Message-ID: <20001107232555.WXCO2410.femail6.sdc1.sfba.home.com@localhost> Well, I'm glad that your experience with them has been good. Perhaps the servers we've been on have been located in a different facility and the people we talk to in the basement of the customer service department. I personally use FutureQuest - about the only drawback I can think of right now is that they don't yet offer dedicated hosts. Their service and speed, however, is amazing :) Jake On Tuesday, November 7, 2000, at 10:10 AM, Tom Webb wrote: > Haven't had that experience. All my customers have very pleased with > CIHost and their service. I have never found their servers to be slow. I > use Perl exclusively so I can't speak to the PHP issue. However, every > Host has some problems, I am saying overall my experience with CIHost has > been positive for my E-Commerce clients and found that CIHost has met their > needs at a reasonable price. One anecdotal negative experience should not > write off the entire service. Try doing anything with Verio. > Tom Webb > > At 06:03 PM 11/6/00 -0500, you wrote: > >I don't mean to start anything, but I've worked with sites on CIHost > >before and so have several people I know. Their technical support and > >their speed are both extremely slow. > > > >I'm not sure of their prices lately, but the latest victim (that I know) > >of their appeal has told me they are reasonable. However, given how slow > >their servers have been in my experience, coupled with the fact that their > >technical support is slow and usually ineffectual, I couldn't recommend them. > > > >Anecdote: I wrote a small PHP upload script for the friend in question > >and we discovered that the upload limit for PHP was 2 MB. That setting is > >easily changeable in php.ini. Perl, on the other hand, was set with an > >upload limit of 10 MB. > > > >Tech support refused to change that setting for parity between the two > >environments, saying it would 'break scripts' (not bloody likely), and > >that we should consider a dedicated host if we want to change it. I've > >administered a PHP installation before and changing the upload limit will > >not break scripts. Most likely the admins are using default Red Hat > >installs and rpms and have no idea how to change it. > > > >Do you want to host with someone like that? > > > >On Monday, November 6, 2000, at 09:34 AM, Tom Webb wrote: > > > > > We use CIHOST at www.cihost.com. They have the best prices and best > > service. > > > Tom Webb > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------- > >For unsubscribe and other options, including > >the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: > >http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! > > > --------------------------------------- > For unsubscribe and other options, including > the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: > http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! > > From Ari_Herzog at Instron.com Tue Nov 7 19:37:36 2000 From: Ari_Herzog at Instron.com (Herzog, Ari) Date: Tue Nov 7 19:37:36 2000 Subject: [thelist] How can I bulk delete a single file? Message-ID: Strange question: When using WS_FTP PRO (before I corrected the error) the program was inserting a WS_FTP.LOG file in every directory and subdirectory on my local mirrored website. Is there any command in Dreamweaver or some other program that can delete this in bulk without manually deleting it from every folder? Thx ------------------------------------ Ari Herzog Internet Webmaster Instron Corporation Tel: 781-575-5638 Fax: 781-575-5768 Email: ari_herzog at instron.com Check out our website at http://www.instron.com From Alessandro at bodytrends.com Tue Nov 7 19:45:38 2000 From: Alessandro at bodytrends.com (Alessandro) Date: Tue Nov 7 19:45:38 2000 Subject: [thelist] How can I bulk delete a single file? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Why not just run a start>find for ws_ftp.log, highlight all, hit delete. Alessandro Alessandro at bodytrends.com http://www.bodytrends.com > -----Original Message----- > From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org > [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Herzog, Ari > Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 5:40 PM > To: 'thelist at lists.evolt.org' > Subject: [thelist] How can I bulk delete a single file? > > > Strange question: When using WS_FTP PRO (before I corrected the error) > the program was inserting a WS_FTP.LOG file in every directory and > subdirectory on > my local mirrored website. Is there any command in Dreamweaver or > some other > program > that can delete this in bulk without manually deleting it from > every folder? > > Thx > > ------------------------------------ > Ari Herzog > Internet Webmaster > Instron Corporation > Tel: 781-575-5638 > Fax: 781-575-5768 > Email: ari_herzog at instron.com > > Check out our website at http://www.instron.com > > --------------------------------------- > For unsubscribe and other options, including > the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: > http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From thesite at lists.evolt.org Wed Nov 8 00:00:51 2000 From: thesite at lists.evolt.org (thesite at lists.evolt.org) Date: Wed Nov 8 00:00:51 2000 Subject: [thelist] Headlines from evolt.org for 08-Nov-00 Message-ID: <200011080600.AAA23393@poet.oracular.com> evolt.org headlines for 08-Nov-00 Pick one: standards or a browser http://evolt.org/index.cfm?menu=8&catid=25&cid=3696 Happy reading... the evolt.org admin team From STEVENSJ at epa.nsw.gov.au Wed Nov 8 00:08:01 2000 From: STEVENSJ at epa.nsw.gov.au (Stevens Jan) Date: Wed Nov 8 00:08:01 2000 Subject: [thelist] Problems with deleted records in Access Message-ID: I don't know much about cf and sql, but I had similar deleted things reappearing in web pages that were created from Word files. All the editors comments also appeared even though the file looked fine in Word. Someone suggested to always "save as" rather than just save in Word. Did that and the file size went down and the problems disappeared. Jes On Wed, 8 Nov 2000, Oliver Lineham wrote: > I'm using an Access database for a site (with CF, not that it matters), and > noticed something funny happen when I deleted some records in a table. > > Deleting the records was fine, but when a new record was added later one or > two of the deleted records reappeared. I deleted them again, but the > reappeared again when more records were added. From jeff at members.evolt.org Wed Nov 8 00:11:21 2000 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (jeff) Date: Wed Nov 8 00:11:21 2000 Subject: [thelist] Brainbench Certification In-Reply-To: Message-ID: annie, :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : From: aphelan (Andrea Phelan) : : As a self taught web developer, I'm interested in : aquiring some sort of certification to help uphold : my qualifications to potential employers. I was : wondering if anyone out there had any experience : with brainbench certifications and how useful they : have been to you. Also how useful cert prep : courses have been. I don't want to challenge any : exams until I am certain I can achieve a 'master' : status, and I'd like to know what the best approach : to this might be. :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ the brainbench certs are probably the most widely recognized of the publicly available certs out there. however, saying that, you're likely to run into many potential employers who have never heard of them. that's because most hr departments are *way* behind the times. if they weren't you wouldn't see buzz-word bingo job descriptions that ask for obviously (to us) impossible/conflicting skill requirements. it would probably be best to take the test seriously, but do it for the plaque on the wall. ultimately, as more companies become aware of brainbench, the more valuable your test scores will be. a nice bonus with brainbench is you can take the tests as many times as you like. most of the tests have a pretty sizable bank of questions to choose from so you're not likely to get many of the same questions twice. this gives you a way of measuring your skills now, identifying your weak areas, and assessing your progress since the last time you took the test. even better, you can decide which of your test results are viewable by others and which ones are not. no sense showing anything but your best efforts, right? for example, i had a tough time with the test (distractions and a headache) when i took the javascript certification a few weeks ago and wasn't very pleased with my score. i took the test again the other day and scored very high. obviously only my good score (which reflects my better effort) is displayed. word of warning though. i found out something the hard way about brainbench certifications. it doesn't say it anywhere on the site but the certs are only valid for one year. after that they "expire" and are no longer displayed in your transcript. i found this out by having a prospective employer point out that my transcript didn't have any certs in it which was linked from my resume. to put it mildly, i was pretty embarrassed. personally i'd prefer that certs that are "expired" still show on my transcript, but are marked as expired. that would show some consistency/improvement in test results over time. maybe i'll bring up that idea to them. personally, i take the tests to find out where i rank with my peers. it delights me to no end to take the test and find out that i'm top dog in both coldfusion and javascript in the state of oregon. it helps the company i work for mostly in intangible ways so it's difficult to measure my value (and hence my pay rate) based solely on test scores, although it does lend some credibility with regard to training new employees. it also gives them a number to shoot for in their learning experience. good luck, .jeff name://jeff.howden game://web.development http://www.evolt.org/ mailto:jeff at members.evolt.org From jeff at members.evolt.org Wed Nov 8 02:26:19 2000 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (jeff) Date: Wed Nov 8 02:26:19 2000 Subject: [thelist] Brainbench Certification In-Reply-To: <009801c048d9$eecba340$5a2730d5@harrypotter> Message-ID: norman, :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : From: Norman Beresford : : If you really want to get Master status then you : could have a handy reference book/document : to hand - which kind of defeats the point but : does show that you can find information quickly :) :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ part of the point of the test is to see how good your research skills are. that's part of being a good, competent programmer. no one expects that you memorize every function, syntax, methods, properties, tags, etc. of a given language. :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : I don't know how much use Brainbench certification : would be in getting a job. All of the interviews I've : been to have asked for example URLs and given : tests on the spot, which removes the need for : certification such as Brainbenches. :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ i disagree that "on the spot" tests remove the need for certification for brainbench certification. if anything the brainbench certification just strengthens the claims you make about your skills in combination with your "on the spot" test scores. also, unlike the "on the spot" tests, the brainbench certification is one that is administered by a neutral third party. that speaks better than a test administered by a biased party. just my 2 cents, .jeff name://jeff.howden game://web.development http://www.evolt.org/ mailto:jeff at members.evolt.org From xslf at xslf.com Wed Nov 8 02:30:52 2000 From: xslf at xslf.com (Shoshannah Forbes) Date: Wed Nov 8 02:30:52 2000 Subject: [thelist] looking for serious hosting References: <20001107232555.WXCO2410.femail6.sdc1.sfba.home.com@localhost> Message-ID: <003101c0495e$747741a0$dc9bfea9@xslf> I hosted with CIhost for almost a year, until around December 99 they started to go down on a regular basis and has lots of problems. Near the end of Dec. 99, while everyone was getting ready for the Y2K bug, they upgraded (or so they said) there DNS servers, where down for almost a week, and when they where back up again, they had restored the costumer sites from old tape backups that where not up-to-date. Soon after that I left (they where still having problems) for http://www.wehost.net , and I am very happy that I did, since the service in wehost is so much better, and I am actually paying less then I did when I was at CIhost. Since I am not in the US, Email support is very important for me. CIhost took FOREVER to answer, if they did answer. With wehost.net, a few minutes after I email them I get a good answer from a human, even during weekends. HTH Shoshannah Forbes -- Hebrew services for site owners http://www.bool.co.il Moderator, site builder forum http://forums.nana.co.il/forum.asp?id=17 Personal site: http://www.forbes.co.il ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacob Stetser" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 1:25 AM Subject: Re: [thelist] looking for serious hosting > Well, I'm glad that your experience with them has been good. Perhaps the servers we've been on have been located in a different facility and the people we talk to in the basement of the customer service department. I personally use FutureQuest - about the only drawback I can think of right now is that they don't yet offer dedicated hosts. Their service and speed, however, is amazing :) > From jeff at members.evolt.org Wed Nov 8 03:00:20 2000 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (jeff) Date: Wed Nov 8 03:00:20 2000 Subject: [thelist] Brainbench Certification In-Reply-To: <3a083d0c$1@fuseware.com> Message-ID: bruce, :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : From: Bruce Heerssen : : Yes, you can re-take the exam. However, the : previous results will still be available. There does : not seem to be a way to specify which exam's : results to make public - its an all or nothing deal. : So if you do take the exam multiple times, a : prospective employer can view the results of : each exam (should you make them public). :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ in your account administration you can simply check the test scores that you wish to be displayed in your public transcript. :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : I guess that means that although you can take the : exam multiple times, doing so may not be to your : advantage. Would you hire a guy that had to take : the HTML exam six times before getting a reasonable : result? :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ you can decide which test scores are public and which are not. i view that as a good thing since you can't count on your first attempts at a test to be your best efforts. i would personally suggest that you take the test not for your best score the first time, but simply to get comfortable with the format and question style. :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : Moral: study hard before taking the exam. Have your : reference manuals handy and know where to look in : them for specific info before you start the exam. : Although the tests do not seem to be too hard, there : is an excellent possibility that they will cover some : areas that you have yet to explore. :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ even if you're very experienced in the subject matter, you *will* encounter something you're unfamiliar with. i have taken 3 of the tests, all 3 of which i rated as a high-scoring master and still found 1 or 2 questions that covered something that i was uncertain about. this is where research skills get tested. good luck, .jeff name://jeff.howden game://web.development http://www.evolt.org/ mailto:jeff at members.evolt.org From stef at nota-bene.org Wed Nov 8 03:57:37 2000 From: stef at nota-bene.org (s t e f) Date: Wed Nov 8 03:57:37 2000 Subject: [thelist] Question: Netscape and positioned divs Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20001108104126.009ea060@mail.ridingzone.com> So. Here's one of those insoluble problems we all love, and guess what, it's got Netscape written all over it. I'm asked to optimize the display speed for a page so far laid out with tables. Since our content is pretty heavy I'm trying to put everything in divs, using both absolute and relative positioning. Hence ideally the content will be displayed before right and left navigation bars. The basic structure can be seen here (the old page, all tables): http://www.ridingzone.com/Rz/site2/air/ Now what I'm doing is: Put the header in one absolute-positioned div. then put all the content in a relative-positioned div (otherwise Netscape wouldn't display scrollbars), within which I created three absolute-positioned divs. Basically my code looks as follows (spaces added for this mail's sake): < div id="containerDiv" style="position:relative; top:155px; left:0px; "> < div id="middleDiv" style="position:absolute; top:0px; left:170px; width:444px; z-index:10"> < cfinclude template="_optim/zone3.cfm"> < /div> < div id="rightDiv" style="position:absolute; top:0px; left:636px; width:160px; z-index:11"> < cfinclude template="_optim/zone4.cfm"> < /div> < div id="leftDiv" style="position:absolute; top:0px; left:0px; width:144px; z-index:12"> < cfinclude template="_optim/zone2.cfm"> < /div> < /div> The display looks just fine in IE. However in Netscape middleDiv is correctly positioned, but then rightDiv and leftDiv are positioned 170px too far on the right, as if they used middleDiv as a reference of what left:0px would mean. Here: http://www.ridingzone.com/Rz/site2/air/_optim_apres.cfm The crasiest thing is if I move leftDiv and rightDiv up in my code, before the middleDiv, everything is placed correctly. See: http://www.ridingzone.com/Rz/site2/air/_optim_correct_in_nn.cfm (NB: note that the source code is not easily readable due the the CFM code behind. I'll work on it later on, first things first.) Anybody has a clue as to how to solve this nagging little thingy? FYI, this attempt at layout is based on Jeff Veen's excellent article "The Illusion of Speed" http://www.alistapart.com/stories/speed/ s t e f From chris at lonondweb.net Wed Nov 8 04:43:36 2000 From: chris at lonondweb.net (Chris Hayes) Date: Wed Nov 8 04:43:36 2000 Subject: [thelist] Problems with deleted records in Access References: <4.2.0.58.20001108022339.017c4ce8@mail.paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <3a092db5$1@fuseware.com> Just a point.. you have compacted and repaired the DB? Sorry if this was mentioned already but I haven't the time this morning to go through the lot. Regards "Oliver Lineham" wrote in message news:4.2.0.58.20001108022339.017c4ce8 at mail.paradise.net.nz... > Hi all, > > I'm using an Access database for a site (with CF, not that it matters), and > noticed something funny happen when I deleted some records in a table. > > Deleting the records was fine, but when a new record was added later one or > two of the deleted records reappeared. I deleted them again, but the > reappeared again when more records were added. > > This freaked me out - if it happens when the site is "live" it could be a > real disaster. > > Is this a known problem with Access? Obviously it is a problem with the > table index getting corrupt, but does anyone know what might have caused > that to happen? > > One solution I might use is to never delete records, and just use a > "deleted" boolean field - but this is a pain, complicates every query on > the site, and would waste space. Perhaps a "deleted" field is a good way > to design databases regardless - i'm not sure. > > Any insight at all appreciated. > > > > ____________________________________________________ > v i b e m e d i a http://www.vibe.co.nz/ > po box 10-492 wellington, new zealand > phone +64 21 210-7845 oliver at lineham.co.nz > > --------------------------------------- > For unsubscribe and other options, including > the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: > http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From oliver at lineham.co.nz Wed Nov 8 05:04:05 2000 From: oliver at lineham.co.nz (Oliver Lineham) Date: Wed Nov 8 05:04:05 2000 Subject: [thelist] Problems with deleted records in Access In-Reply-To: <3a092db5$1@fuseware.com> References: <4.2.0.58.20001108022339.017c4ce8@mail.paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20001109000209.00ae4b58@mail.paradise.net.nz> At 10:36 8/11/2000 +0000, you wrote: >Just a point.. you have compacted and repaired the DB? Yes, and I haven't had the problem for a while (this may or may not because of the compact/repair). Mostly I'm just paranoid that such a corruption (if that's what it was) might happen on the live site. ____________________________________________________ v i b e m e d i a http://www.vibe.co.nz/ po box 10-492 wellington, new zealand phone +64 21 210-7845 oliver at lineham.co.nz From oliver at lineham.co.nz Wed Nov 8 06:53:57 2000 From: oliver at lineham.co.nz (Oliver Lineham) Date: Wed Nov 8 06:53:57 2000 Subject: [thelist] CFLOCK for session variables Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20001109014749.00adbef0@mail.paradise.net.nz> Hi CF people, When using CFLOCK with the "session" scope, does CF lock access to the session scope for *all* requests, or just the client whose session it is? The latter makes more sense. Two requests coming from different users in different, concurrent sessions cannot write to the same session variable - that's the whole point of session management and the session scope. I just thought I'd check, because if this is not the case (illogical) it could have real performance implications for a web application. Naturally, I'm only concerned about exclusive locks. ____________________________________________________ v i b e m e d i a http://www.vibe.co.nz/ po box 10-492 wellington, new zealand phone +64 21 210-7845 oliver at lineham.co.nz From oliver at lineham.co.nz Wed Nov 8 06:56:53 2000 From: oliver at lineham.co.nz (Oliver Lineham) Date: Wed Nov 8 06:56:53 2000 Subject: [thelist] Problems with deleted records in Access In-Reply-To: References: <4.2.0.58.20001108022339.017c4ce8@mail.paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20001109015608.0194ef00@mail.paradise.net.nz> At 10:10 7/11/2000 -0500, you wrote: >Not sure if this will help - but I've used Access extensivly - depending >on what your doing and the order of operations you might have to 'commit' >your sql transaction before performing another - also flushing the cache >may help. Thanks for the suggestion, but I believe CFQUERY takes care of this automatically. I think the answer was simply that I had a mildly corrupt database. ____________________________________________________ v i b e m e d i a http://www.vibe.co.nz/ po box 10-492 wellington, new zealand phone +64 21 210-7845 oliver at lineham.co.nz From chris at londonweb.net Wed Nov 8 07:55:42 2000 From: chris at londonweb.net (Chris Hayes) Date: Wed Nov 8 07:55:42 2000 Subject: [thelist] Problems with deleted records in Access References: <4.2.0.58.20001108022339.017c4ce8@mail.paradise.net.nz> <3a092db5$1@fuseware.com> <4.2.0.58.20001109000209.00ae4b58@mail.paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <010701c0498b$97f12920$2800a8c0@londonweb.net> > >Just a point.. you have compacted and repaired the DB? > > Yes, and I haven't had the problem for a while (this may or may not because > of the compact/repair). > > Mostly I'm just paranoid that such a corruption (if that's what it was) > might happen on the live site. So you should be :-) I often see these problems (once/twice per month) when working in the development environment, but never on our live servers. I have pretty much nailed it down to working on the DB whilst CF is still hooked up and there are users making queries against it. You should be safe if you make sure you never work on the database on the live server. Having said that I generally have a policy of not deleting any records, only marking them as deleted as you originally suggested. The idea of having dynamic delete queries on your site is too scary. If you build it in now it could save you a great deal of pain in the future, in fact it's saved my bacon once. From stef at nota-bene.org Wed Nov 8 08:04:39 2000 From: stef at nota-bene.org (s t e f) Date: Wed Nov 8 08:04:39 2000 Subject: [thelist] Answer: (was Question) Netscape and positioned divs In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.0.20001108104126.009ea060@mail.ridingzone.com> Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20001108145431.009e4d80@mail.nota-bene.org> [sender: s t e f || date: 11:04 08/11/2000 +0100] >The basic structure can be seen here (the old page, all tables): >http://www.ridingzone.com/Rz/site2/air/ > >Now what I'm doing is: >Put the header in one absolute-positioned div. then put all the content in >a relative-positioned div (otherwise Netscape wouldn't display >scrollbars), within which I created three absolute-positioned divs. >http://www.ridingzone.com/Rz/site2/air/_optim_apres.cfm I solved the problem, people! The solution was simple, in fact: the tables inside the middleDiv were a wee bit larger than the div itself. As often in NN, it didn't know how to handle it so it went crazy. Now the display's right. It's the trouble of re-taking a site after an external company has done the job. s t e f From jamie at bayou.com Wed Nov 8 08:06:41 2000 From: jamie at bayou.com (Jamie Madden) Date: Wed Nov 8 08:06:41 2000 Subject: [thelist] Ad Views Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20001108080600.00e37390@mail.bayou.com> Good morning Evolutionaries I've got a question. How much is one ad view worth. Now before you answer what I need to know is an average. Barring region, page views, etc., I need a real average price. jamie From bread_man at hotmail.com Wed Nov 8 08:36:38 2000 From: bread_man at hotmail.com (Adam Slesinger) Date: Wed Nov 8 08:36:38 2000 Subject: [thelist] Table Background Question Message-ID: Hey Web Gurus, mind if I ask a simple ques? I have a large 800x600 background image and I put it as the background of a large table and then made a number of nested tables to position the pictures and text where I want them over the background. It looks great in IE, but in Netscape 4.X the background image is repeated in each nested table making the whole thing rather screwy looking with the background image starting over in multiple places withing the large table. Why is Netscape doing this, and is there a way around it? I can't just make the background image the background of the html page because I don't want it to tile. I have tables outside the main large table, tiling colors to expand with larger browsers. Thanks in advance for help on this!! adam _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Ari_Herzog at Instron.com Wed Nov 8 08:46:29 2000 From: Ari_Herzog at Instron.com (Herzog, Ari) Date: Wed Nov 8 08:46:29 2000 Subject: [thelist] How can I bulk delete a single file? Message-ID: Good idea. Now how come I never think of stuff like that?? *grin* -----Original Message----- From: Alessandro [mailto:Alessandro at bodytrends.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 8:45 PM To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: RE: [thelist] How can I bulk delete a single file? Why not just run a start>find for ws_ftp.log, highlight all, hit delete. Alessandro Alessandro at bodytrends.com http://www.bodytrends.com > -----Original Message----- > From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org > [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Herzog, Ari > Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 5:40 PM > To: 'thelist at lists.evolt.org' > Subject: [thelist] How can I bulk delete a single file? > > > Strange question: When using WS_FTP PRO (before I corrected the error) > the program was inserting a WS_FTP.LOG file in every directory and > subdirectory on > my local mirrored website. Is there any command in Dreamweaver or > some other > program > that can delete this in bulk without manually deleting it from > every folder? > > Thx > > ------------------------------------ > Ari Herzog > Internet Webmaster > Instron Corporation > Tel: 781-575-5638 > Fax: 781-575-5768 > Email: ari_herzog at instron.com > > Check out our website at http://www.instron.com > > --------------------------------------- > For unsubscribe and other options, including > the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: > http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! > --------------------------------------- For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From jamie at bayou.com Wed Nov 8 08:47:12 2000 From: jamie at bayou.com (Jamie Madden) Date: Wed Nov 8 08:47:12 2000 Subject: [thelist] Table Background Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20001108084814.00e349d0@mail.bayou.com> Use a one pixel transparent .gif as the background for each table cell and the problem will go away. jamie At 02:36 PM 11/8/00 +0000, you wrote: >Hey Web Gurus, mind if I ask a simple ques? > >I have a large 800x600 background image and I put it as the background of >a large table and then made a number of nested tables to position the >pictures and text where I want them over the background. > >It looks great in IE, but in Netscape 4.X the background image is repeated >in each nested table making the whole thing rather screwy looking with the >background image starting over in multiple places withing the large table. >Why is Netscape doing this, and is there a way around it? > >I can't just make the background image the background of the html page >because I don't want it to tile. I have tables outside the main large >table, tiling colors to expand with larger browsers. > >Thanks in advance for help on this!! > >adam >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > >--------------------------------------- >For unsubscribe and other options, including >the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: >http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From comharsa at clara.net Wed Nov 8 08:51:33 2000 From: comharsa at clara.net (Comharsa) Date: Wed Nov 8 08:51:33 2000 Subject: [thelist] Table Background Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20001108144940.00a1e030@relay.clara.net> At 14:36 08/11/00, Adam Slesinger found time to write: >It looks great in IE, but in Netscape 4.X the background image is repeated >in each nested table making the whole thing rather screwy looking with the >background image starting over in multiple places withing the large table. >Why is Netscape doing this, and is there a way around it? In NS nested table cells inherit the background from the parent table. Create a transparent gif around 20 x 20 and use that as the cell background in each of the cells in the nested tables. Brian comharsa at clara.net From steve.wood at serviceengine.com Wed Nov 8 08:54:46 2000 From: steve.wood at serviceengine.com (Steven Wood) Date: Wed Nov 8 08:54:46 2000 Subject: [thelist] Table Background Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I have a large 800x600 background image and I put it as the > background of a > large table and then made a number of nested tables to position > the pictures > and text where I want them over the background. > > It looks great in IE, but in Netscape 4.X the background image is > repeated > in each nested table making the whole thing rather screwy looking > with the > background image starting over in multiple places withing the > large table. > Why is Netscape doing this, and is there a way around it? Heh, you've just encountered the fabled Netscape table background issue. Here's a short article that addresses the problem: (one of many such articles that you can find around the web) http://www.netmechanic.com/news/vol3/html_no6.htm here's another: http://www.webreview.com/pub/1999/05/07/tag Steven Wood Dynamic Application Specialist ServiceEngine.com, Inc. The Internet Utility for Customer Service 203.402.1151 203.925.8768 Fax http://www.ServiceEngine.com From jmorehead at alphalincoln.com Wed Nov 8 09:06:33 2000 From: jmorehead at alphalincoln.com (Jason Morehead) Date: Wed Nov 8 09:06:33 2000 Subject: [thelist] Table Background Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >I have a large 800x600 background image and I put it as the >background of a large table and then made a number of nested tables >to position the pictures and text where I want them over the >background. > >It looks great in IE, but in Netscape 4.X the background image is >repeated in each nested table making the whole thing rather screwy >looking with the background image starting over in multiple places >withing the large table. Why is Netscape doing this, and is there a >way around it? ah yes, netscape's background bug. i ran into that just yesterday with a site i'm working on. you want the background to show through the tables (but don't want the nested tables to have their own backgrounds), you could specify a background for each of the nested tables, using a transparent .gif. backgrounds inside nested tables will override the background of the table those tables are nested in. unfortunately, the same can't be said for using background colors inside a nested table. does that make sense? it's buggy and bloated, i know, but it does work. jason -- http://www.alphalincoln.com/ alphagraphics of nebraska - web services 201 n 14th - lincoln, ne 68508 - 402.475.0000 From mike at mikespace.net Wed Nov 8 09:15:10 2000 From: mike at mikespace.net (Mike Smith) Date: Wed Nov 8 09:15:10 2000 Subject: [thelist] Coldfusion custom tags Message-ID: anyone got any idea where I could find documentation for the cfx.jar that you use to write java custom tags?!? I've searched and searched, and have been completely unable to find anything. TIA Mike From bread_man at hotmail.com Wed Nov 8 09:17:42 2000 From: bread_man at hotmail.com (Adam Slesinger) Date: Wed Nov 8 09:17:42 2000 Subject: [thelist] Table Background Question Message-ID: I knew this list would rock. Thanks everyone who responded - that did the trick nicely. -adam _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From carleen.tracy at b3interactive.com Wed Nov 8 09:23:37 2000 From: carleen.tracy at b3interactive.com (Carleen Tracy) Date: Wed Nov 8 09:23:37 2000 Subject: [thelist] RE:Table Background Question In-Reply-To: <20001108144653.01A106BA8E@relay.evolt.org> Message-ID: <000801c0499a$a0b658f0$a401410a@tracyc> Adam, Using CSS you can indicate that you don't want the background image to repeat or tile. Try this: check out this link for reference: http://www.coolnerds.com/xrefs/xrefcss.htm Here it says that it's n/a on NN but I've used it and it works fine. > Message: 29 > From: "Adam Slesinger" > To: thelist at lists.evolt.org > Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 14:36:55 GMT > Subject: [thelist] Table Background Question > Reply-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org > > Hey Web Gurus, mind if I ask a simple ques? > > I have a large 800x600 background image and I put it as the > background of a > large table and then made a number of nested tables to position > the pictures > and text where I want them over the background. > > It looks great in IE, but in Netscape 4.X the background image is > repeated > in each nested table making the whole thing rather screwy looking > with the > background image starting over in multiple places withing the > large table. > Why is Netscape doing this, and is there a way around it? > > I can't just make the background image the background of the html page > because I don't want it to tile. I have tables outside the main large > table, tiling colors to expand with larger browsers. > > Thanks in advance for help on this!! > > adam > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 30 > From: "Herzog, Ari" > To: "'thelist at lists.evolt.org'" > Subject: RE: [thelist] How can I bulk delete a single file? > Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 09:48:45 -0500 > charset="iso-8859-1" > Reply-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org > > Good idea. Now how come I never think of stuff like that?? *grin* > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alessandro [mailto:Alessandro at bodytrends.com] > Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 8:45 PM > To: thelist at lists.evolt.org > Subject: RE: [thelist] How can I bulk delete a single file? > > > Why not just run a start>find for ws_ftp.log, highlight all, hit delete. > > > Alessandro > Alessandro at bodytrends.com > http://www.bodytrends.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org > > [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Herzog, Ari > > Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 5:40 PM > > To: 'thelist at lists.evolt.org' > > Subject: [thelist] How can I bulk delete a single file? > > > > > > Strange question: When using WS_FTP PRO (before I corrected the error) > > the program was inserting a WS_FTP.LOG file in every directory and > > subdirectory on > > my local mirrored website. Is there any command in Dreamweaver or > > some other > > program > > that can delete this in bulk without manually deleting it from > > every folder? > > > > Thx > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Ari Herzog > > Internet Webmaster > > Instron Corporation > > Tel: 781-575-5638 > > Fax: 781-575-5768 > > Email: ari_herzog at instron.com > > > > Check out our website at http://www.instron.com > > > > --------------------------------------- > > For unsubscribe and other options, including > > the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: > > http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! > > > > --------------------------------------- > For unsubscribe and other options, including > the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: > http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! > > > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > Help: http://lists.evolt.org/mailman/listinfo/thelist > > Archives: http://lists.evolt.org > > End of thelist Digest > From twebb at dynamicinst.com Wed Nov 8 09:30:38 2000 From: twebb at dynamicinst.com (Tom Webb) Date: Wed Nov 8 09:30:38 2000 Subject: [thelist] looking for serious hosting In-Reply-To: <003101c0495e$747741a0$dc9bfea9@xslf> References: <20001107232555.WXCO2410.femail6.sdc1.sfba.home.com@localhost> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20001108072817.0095cb40@mailserver> Again my experience with CIHost is that they responded quickly to any problem we have had. CIHost had some growing pains and experienced some problems but they have been overcome. They responded quickly to any problems we have had. All my customers have not had the experiences with CIHost that you have had. They have been extremely helpful when setting up the service for all our customers and I find their service people competent and friendly. I have extensive IT background therefore I have been able to pinpoint the problems that we have experienced and that helps with all ISPs. I will still recommend them to my customers. Tom Webb At 10:32 AM 11/8/00 +0200, you wrote: >I hosted with CIhost for almost a year, until around December 99 they >started to go down on a regular basis and has lots of problems. > >Near the end of Dec. 99, while everyone was getting ready for the Y2K bug, >they upgraded (or so they said) there DNS servers, where down for almost a >week, and when they where back up again, they had restored the costumer >sites from old tape backups that where not up-to-date. >Soon after that I left (they where still having problems) for >http://www.wehost.net , and I am very happy that I did, since the service in >wehost is so much better, and I am actually paying less then I did when I >was at CIhost. > >Since I am not in the US, Email support is very important for me. CIhost >took FOREVER to answer, if they did answer. With wehost.net, a few minutes >after I email them I get a good answer from a human, even during weekends. > >HTH >Shoshannah Forbes >-- >Hebrew services for site owners http://www.bool.co.il >Moderator, site builder forum http://forums.nana.co.il/forum.asp?id=17 >Personal site: http://www.forbes.co.il > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jacob Stetser" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 1:25 AM >Subject: Re: [thelist] looking for serious hosting > > > > Well, I'm glad that your experience with them has been good. Perhaps the >servers we've been on have been located in a different facility and the >people we talk to in the basement of the customer service department. I >personally use FutureQuest - about the only drawback I can think of right >now is that they don't yet offer dedicated hosts. Their service and speed, >however, is amazing :) > > > > > >--------------------------------------- >For unsubscribe and other options, including >the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: >http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From jay at weberrific.org Wed Nov 8 09:34:08 2000 From: jay at weberrific.org (Jay Turley) Date: Wed Nov 8 09:34:08 2000 Subject: [thelist] CSS Border Problem Message-ID: <200011081534.eA8FYRm12770@server5000.net> Hi all y'all- I have a style in my page as shown below: When I use this div:

In IE the border completely surrounds the div, but in NS, the border flows with the content, moving up if the content does not fill the div, and moving below the clipping rectangle if the content overflows the div. Do any of you have any suggestions as to how I can make NS support this border properly? Or am I going to have to end up using nested tables ala Zeldman to make these look proper (which of course incurs its own problems as NS does not support the height attribute on the table tag). Thanks - Jay Turley --------------------------------------------------------- http://www.weberrific.org "Any sufficiently advanced magic is indistinguishable from technology" From sgd at ti3.com Wed Nov 8 09:58:41 2000 From: sgd at ti3.com (Scott Dexter) Date: Wed Nov 8 09:58:41 2000 Subject: [thelist] Re: more forms and CSS --making boxes invisible --C LOSED Message-ID: <8C8B8745C0FE7A43BFA6CABAB321117223F652@gate.ti3.com> > > >I've been tasked with making text input boxes not look like > text input > >boxes, specifically, I gotta remove the border and make just > the text inside > information to the server, use a INPUT TYPE="hidden". If it's just a > convenience for the user, use plain text. > couple people have mentioned using plain text, here's my reasoning why I went down the borderless textbox route: 1) the field is the sum of hours worked on a timesheet, so on top of being constantly updated as they fill out the rest of the form, its a value I have to pass along 2) without getting into the insane quirks of NN vs IE dHTML, I still need to have the page live in a pre-dHTML browser 3) hiding the borders is a faster solution, and this is under a time crunch (what isn't?) That being said, I will sleep at night fine knowing Netscape won't listen to CSS in this case, I's just doing my due diligence to be honky dory across browsers. Thanks kids, I appreciate the help =) sgd From sck at biljettpoolen.se Wed Nov 8 10:01:03 2000 From: sck at biljettpoolen.se (Steve Cook) Date: Wed Nov 8 10:01:03 2000 Subject: [thelist] Table Background Question Message-ID: <3B55A5A1F233D41183A800D0B74D4D5205E5F3@SBS> Hmmm, having been aware of this problem for a long time and having never found a satisfactory solution, I thought I would revisit a site of mine having problems with table backgrounds and apply this tip. What I'm getting though is that the transparent gif doesn't result in a see-through table cell, but a white table cell that blocks out the background image. I've checked and double checked that the gif is *really* a transparent gif (it displays as it should in IE). I'm hoping I'm just being dumb and that I've done something wrong - anyone recognise the problem? I'm using Communicator 4.73 on Win 2000. .steve > -----Original Message----- > From: Comharsa [mailto:comharsa at clara.net] > Sent: den 8 november 2000 15:52 > To: thelist at lists.evolt.org > Subject: Re: [thelist] Table Background Question > > > In NS nested table cells inherit the background from the > parent table. > Create a transparent gif around 20 x 20 and use that as the > cell background > in each of the cells in the nested tables. > > Brian > comharsa at clara.net > > From carole at soulmedia.com Wed Nov 8 10:13:59 2000 From: carole at soulmedia.com (Carole Guevin) Date: Wed Nov 8 10:13:59 2000 Subject: [thelist] Web2000 aftermath articles* In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi all, If you're interested in knowing what it was like to redo a site in 8 hours - read The WebReview article: Cool Site in a Day: The Shortest Eight Hours of Our Lives http://www.webreview.com/pub/2000/11/06/feature/index03.html Find out more about the 2 teams: http://netdiver.net/freelance/entranceset.htm carole guevin imagineering studio.................+ http://soulmedia.com new media resources........+ http://netdiver.net From Stringers at LIBRARY.Vanderbilt.edu Wed Nov 8 10:23:12 2000 From: Stringers at LIBRARY.Vanderbilt.edu (Suellen Stringer-Hye) Date: Wed Nov 8 10:23:12 2000 Subject: [thelist] CSS/HTML question In-Reply-To: References: <3a083d0c$1@fuseware.com> Message-ID: <3A092926.25164.5D472E@localhost> Hello, There is a menu list on our web page that I used CSS to format. I could have used tables but the page is so full of tables I thought it would be better, if I could get away with it, to use CSS. For the majority of browsers and platforms this works fine but I have just discovered that the 4.5 IE Mac browser used by Intermedia @home doesn't interpret the
tags and therefore throws all of the menu items into a single line. I know I could uset the
list tag but the indent is too large and at the time I was putting this together this coding seemed easier/better than trying to figure out how to change the indent size if that was going to be possible at all. In any case, I'm wondering how you all would handle this problem. Thanks in advance for any tips you may have. Here's the code, the associated style and the URL for the page where you will see the problem if you have the above browser. Also, if anyone runs into this problem with a different browser, will you let me know which platform/browser you are using. Thanks in advance...I know I should provide a tip but I'm afraid I learn all my tips from you all! ************************************************************ .list { font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; padding-left: 15px; font-size: 9pt; width: 100% } .listhead { font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font- size: 10pt; font-weight: bold} ***************************************

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all Web Suellen Stringer-Hye Jean and Alexander Heard Library Vanderbilt University stringers at library.vanderbilt.edu From VillanoP at usachcs.army.mil Wed Nov 8 10:33:10 2000 From: VillanoP at usachcs.army.mil (Villano, Paul) Date: Wed Nov 8 10:33:10 2000 Subject: [thelist] Opening a Word Document from a Web Page Message-ID: <416FD101108ED311BC3800902786F60D999862@usachcs-emh1.army.mil> Okay, I should remember how to do this but I don't. :( I created a link from an .htm file to a Word 2000 version (.doc) of that same file but the file doesn't open. What am I forgetting? Here's the type of link I used (put within comment tags so it hopefully won't screw with your html e-mail): From sgd at ti3.com Wed Nov 8 10:36:47 2000 From: sgd at ti3.com (Scott Dexter) Date: Wed Nov 8 10:36:47 2000 Subject: [thelist] Opening a Word Document from a Web Page Message-ID: <8C8B8745C0FE7A43BFA6CABAB321117223F658@gate.ti3.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: Villano, Paul [mailto:VillanoP at usachcs.army.mil] > >

GO TO WORD 2000 (PRINTABLE) > VERSION

> maybe the path to the document? (is it in the same directory as the html page?) the link is correct.... sgd -- work: http://www.ti3.com/ non: http://thinksafely.org/ From jaylard at equilon.com Wed Nov 8 10:36:51 2000 From: jaylard at equilon.com (Aylard JA (James)) Date: Wed Nov 8 10:36:51 2000 Subject: [thelist] CSS/HTML question Message-ID: <8B8252E8924BD31193D800805FE63E6D0104CC9D@mzrmsx02.newcos.com> Suellen, > For the > majority of browsers and platforms this works fine but I have just > discovered that the 4.5 IE Mac browser used by Intermedia @home > doesn't interpret the
tags and therefore throws all of the menu > items into a single line. I'd bet the
tags will work if you write them as standard HTML rather than as XHTML tags (
rather than
). hth, James Aylard From stef at nota-bene.org Wed Nov 8 10:38:18 2000 From: stef at nota-bene.org (s t e f) Date: Wed Nov 8 10:38:18 2000 Subject: [thelist] CSS/HTML question In-Reply-To: <3A092926.25164.5D472E@localhost> References: <3a083d0c$1@fuseware.com> Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20001108174109.009e53d0@mail.nota-bene.org> [sender: Suellen Stringer-Hye || date: 10:21 08/11/2000 -0600] Have you tried use*ing good old
tags instead of
xHTML tags? Maybe the solution is there. s t e f From VillanoP at usachcs.army.mil Wed Nov 8 10:40:57 2000 From: VillanoP at usachcs.army.mil (Villano, Paul) Date: Wed Nov 8 10:40:57 2000 Subject: [thelist] Opening a Word Document from a Web Page Message-ID: <416FD101108ED311BC3800902786F60D999866@usachcs-emh1.army.mil> The path is correct, too. Must just be a setting for my browser that doesn't open .doc files from the browser. But how do I get it to do that for viewers? Hmmmm.... -----Original Message----- From: Scott Dexter [mailto:sgd at ti3.com] maybe the path to the document? (is it in the same directory as the html page?) the link is correct.... sgd -- From Ron.Luther at COMPAQ.com Wed Nov 8 10:41:16 2000 From: Ron.Luther at COMPAQ.com (Luther, Ron) Date: Wed Nov 8 10:41:16 2000 Subject: [thelist] Opening a Word Document from a Web Page Message-ID: <446A57B73D16D411811B00508B6CA242023B6972@cceexc03.cce.cpqcorp.net> Hi Paul, Doesn't it depend on the client's set-up? I thought that determined whether such a link would 'open' in word ... or download the file. HTH, Ron L. -----Original Message----- From: Villano, Paul [mailto:VillanoP at usachcs.army.mil] Subject: [thelist] Opening a Word Document from a Web Page

GO TO WORD 2000 (PRINTABLE) VERSION

From VillanoP at usachcs.army.mil Wed Nov 8 10:52:34 2000 From: VillanoP at usachcs.army.mil (Villano, Paul) Date: Wed Nov 8 10:52:34 2000 Subject: [thelist] Opening a Word Document from a Web Page Message-ID: <416FD101108ED311BC3800902786F60D999869@usachcs-emh1.army.mil> It seems to be working now. I think I just had a computer problem (it has been acting strange the last few days). Thanks to all for the attempts to help. Yes, it does depend on the user's settings. Some folks disabled opening files to prevent downloading malicious code/files. But I think most folks (unless they physically disable it) will automatically open the file (unless they have a demon-possessed computer like mine. Where did I put that holy water??). Thanks again. Paul -----Original Message----- From: Luther, Ron [mailto:Ron.Luther at COMPAQ.com] Hi Paul, Doesn't it depend on the client's set-up? I thought that determined whether such a link would 'open' in word ... or download the file. HTH, Ron L. From sam at sam-i-am.com Wed Nov 8 11:30:25 2000 From: sam at sam-i-am.com (Sam-I-Am) Date: Wed Nov 8 11:30:25 2000 Subject: [thelist] AOL References: <000c01c048ec$6f350000$6401a8c0@cinci.rr.com> Message-ID: <3A098D37.D61F91D@sam-i-am.com> can we get it (as well as 4,5) up on the browser archive? (http://browsers.evolt.org/) Sam "Gina K. Anderson" wrote: > > |I might have an AOL3.0 installer around here somewhere. > |I'll look and let you know if I find one. > |Gina > > Well, guess what--I found it ;) Old copy of AOL 3.0 for Windows. If anyone is > interested in it, let me know. I wrote Andrew offlist. > > Gina > > --------------------------------------- > For unsubscribe and other options, including > the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: > http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From hodgsonm at citywatch.co.uk Wed Nov 8 12:03:44 2000 From: hodgsonm at citywatch.co.uk (hodgsonm at citywatch.co.uk) Date: Wed Nov 8 12:03:44 2000 Subject: [thelist] Re: thelist digest, Vol 1 #859 - 22 msgs Message-ID: <200011081803.eA8I3eh12132@farmer.oracular.com> Delivery Failure Report - Citywatch.co.uk Recipient: "michael.hodgson" is currently out of the office for an extended period. He will return Friday 17th November 2000 Should you require an urgent response to your emails, please send a copy to chris.riley at citywatch.co.uk ***************************************************************************************** Please can you ensure that the correct email format is used on all inbound mails as without the correct addressing certain emails will not be delivered to the final destination. Please note that the format to use for all mails is Please pay particular attention to the . inbetween the first and second names. This mail has not been delivered to its destination, please resend using the correct mail address format. ***************************************************************************************** Please contact "admin at citywatch.co.uk" for further assistance From sam at sam-i-am.com Wed Nov 8 12:13:08 2000 From: sam at sam-i-am.com (Sam-I-Am) Date: Wed Nov 8 12:13:08 2000 Subject: [thelist] Table Background Question References: <3B55A5A1F233D41183A800D0B74D4D5205E5F3@SBS> Message-ID: <3A09973B.22A4E05@sam-i-am.com> atually (and also) just an empty attribute background="" works just as well as the invisible gif. Sam From madhu at asiacontent.com Wed Nov 8 12:15:23 2000 From: madhu at asiacontent.com (Madhu Menon) Date: Wed Nov 8 12:15:23 2000 Subject: [thelist] Brainbench Certification In-Reply-To: <20001108144655.7BEA26BAB7@relay.evolt.org> Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20001108234047.02e5e3c0@200.200.200.111> At 08:16 PM 11/8/2000, jeff penned the following words: >the brainbench certs are probably the most widely recognized of the publicly >available certs out there. however, saying that, you're likely to run into A little off-topic here. I just thought I'd mention that I saw the nuttiest revenue model at Brainbench. They have ads on the question pages. Now, to me this is downright crazy. The question pages are possibly the *worst* place to advertise. There you are, with 2 minutes to think of an answer to a question. You're reading the question carefully to make sure you understand it properly, and all your attention is directed solely at the question. The likelihood of the banner catching my eye is way too low. Who's going to click on a banner when he/she has 30 seconds left to answer a question (unless you're doing the test for fun of course). Even worse, clicking the banner will take me to another site. When I have an exam that is timed, do you really think I'm going to go visit another site? Does anyone disagree with me? Madhu (who's quite proud of his high Written English score at Brainbench :) @-,--`--- Madhu Menon Webmaster, India.CNET.com Read my journal at: http://madman.weblogs.com From xk120mle at uswest.net Wed Nov 8 12:53:38 2000 From: xk120mle at uswest.net (mle) Date: Wed Nov 8 12:53:38 2000 Subject: [thelist] Re: thelist Table Background Question References: <20001108180029.11E496BA68@relay.evolt.org> Message-ID: <3A099FFE.ADD1A62A@qwest.net> > I've checked and double checked that the gif is *really* a transparent gif > (it displays as it should in IE). I'm hoping I'm just being dumb and that > I've done something wrong - anyone recognise the problem? I'm dumb, too. Same problem. The workaround I learned from a previous evolt post. Don't bother with the transparent .gif. Use an empty background attribute instead, in each affected table cell: Works fine so far. mle From sgd at ti3.com Wed Nov 8 14:56:04 2000 From: sgd at ti3.com (Scott Dexter) Date: Wed Nov 8 14:56:04 2000 Subject: [thelist] FW: [aspadvanced] RE: The Future: ADO+ is part of ASP+ here is a n overview Message-ID: <8C8B8745C0FE7A43BFA6CABAB321117223F678@gate.ti3.com> If any of you are keeping an eye on ASP+ and the .NET stuff, here is some spilling from Charles Carroll (webmaster of http://learnasp.com/ and all those infernal overly specific email lists ;)) that encapsulates a number of the bonuses in one spot. Worth the read. oh, and he openly invites any of you CF-heads (dan? seth?) over to the CF vs ASP debate list, apparently they're heavy on pro-ASP, light on pro-CF: http://www.asplists.com/asplists/debatecfasp2.asp (but if you ask me, choosing to engage in a "this vs that" mailing list may be an ulcer waiting to happen) sgd -----Original Message----- From: Charles Carroll [mailto:darthcarroll at asplists.com] someone else said: ---- The obvious question: is ADO+ simply a more powerful, functional, and intelligent - and therefore more expensive - way to work with Recordsets? I see where you mention scalibiliy a number of times below, but its not clear if, you are talking scalibiliy as regards (ADO recordsets vs. ADO+ Datasets) or (ADO+ Datasets and all other structures). ---- ADO recordsets are => HEAVY objects (high memory footprint) => NOT Agile and NOT free-threaded unless disconnected and using certain obscure drivers and conditions see: http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/server/asp/asptips.asp => every cell/row/column datapoint is a heavy variants => built on Iunknown and bloated COM glue => Had tons of expensive and flexible (read bloated) methods and properties designed to interface with 10-15 year old ODBC drivers and modern drivers. => Almost every method and property was tightly coupled to the DRIVER, so method speed was always as slow as weakest driver code Arrays were lighter and strings were even lighter ADO+ datasets are: => LIGHT objects built from IL with small memory footprint => Freethreaded and Agile => every cell/row/column datapoint is a light strongly typed variable => built from very light IL and CLR glue => only talks to old drivers for initial connects and data transfers back ONLY so has lightweight sort, filter and other methods that allow speedy manipulation of datasets a => Since those methods talk to memory structures, not disk, server cursors, etc. speed is LIGHTNING. These operations are UNCOUPLED (not even loosely coupled) to the drivers. Of course Arrays are lighter and strings are still lighter. But recordset weighed 100 - 150 x as much as same data in array. And since it was not agile putting it in any session o application scope was scalability suicide, see: Connections would effectively limit all database activity through one overworked connection with thread affinity. see: http://www.learnasp.com/advice/dbsessionapp.asp and http://www.learnasp.com/advice/threads.asp Datasets weight slightly more than arrays OR strings and it is does not cause scalability nightmares. Arrays are lighter and strings are lighter BUT Datasets are pretty light. Only the "connect" and "transfer" back statements are heavy. Other methods are extremely lightweight and uncoupled to old techmology. -- The connection object, command object are not coupled to a recordset object. The ADO+ Framework objects don't support anything resembling a recordset so the connection and command object are not attached to a boat anchor. Since VBscript is gone and all ASPX pages (even ones created with Notepad) are compiled as ==> free-threaded agile objects <==- whether the page language is VB, C-Sharp or one of the other IL/CLR languages like: Here is a list of some of the available non-MS languages that can build ASPx pages: Perl (http://www.activestate.com/.net) Python (http://www.activestate.com/.net) Cobol (http://www.adtools.com/info/whitepaper/net.html) Component Pascal (http://www.plasrc.qut.edu.au/ComponentPascal/) Eiffel (http://www.eiffel.com/doc/comtech/) Haskell (http://haskell.cs.yale.edu/ghc/) Mercury (http://www.cs.mu.oz.au/research/mercury/) APL (http://www.dyadic.com) Scheme (http://rover.cs.nwu.edu/~scheme/) SmallTalk (http://www.qks.com/) Oberon (http://www.oberon.ethz.ch/lightning/) Standard ML (http://research.microsoft.com/Projects/SML.NET/index.htm) These compiled page objects can even be inherited, subclassed., and have their methods over-ridden by pages in different languages: Fujitsu cobol pages can inherit C# or VB compiled objects and change their implementation or vice-versa. Then these light scalable agile objects can be placed in application or session state. Some notes: a) session variables are accesible from every machine in a webfarm b) cookieless sessions are easy and cheap (believe it or NOT one config.web ASCII file modification and all your pages transparently emit GUIDs without harms to your POSTs and GETs and no changes in your pages. http://www.aspng.com/quickstart/aspplus/doc/stateoverview.aspx The only caveats are: => Of course anything in session variables lives longer than the users stay. You could have 50 users on your site and 150 sessions which is WASTE but it is much cheaper than the old days. But it is not free. http://www.aspng.com/quickstart/aspplus/doc/applications.aspx Global.asa is replaced by global.asax with 14 events instead of 4 including the ability to participate in the whole request life-cycle such as mucking with EVERY page IF WANTED before and after it is served and before it arrives at user browser. http://www.aspng.com/quickstart/aspplus/doc/globalasax.aspx HOWEVER IF your purpose is CACHING, ASP+ has several better ways to cache: Caching any kind of browser output (XML, a commonly accessed database query, any part of the browser stream including images, etc.) is not a code-intensive task anymore. Tasks like "the worlds fastest listbox" @ http://www.learnasp.com/learn/speedappdata.asp are now easy and 90% of the code is unnecessary replaced by simple caching directives. http://www.aspng.com/quickstart/aspplus/doc/cachingoverview.aspx gives an overview but here is a high-level summary. a. A page that hits a database that was accessed by 5,000 users for example in 1 minute could only be cached by some code that carefully built strings, placed in app vars and managed all that. Now a simple cache directive i.e. "Cache for 1 minute" could be placed on the page and 5,000 users would get serious speed. The first user renders the page, the other 4999 users that minute get that cached page. <%@ OutputCache duration="240"%> This directive means the HTML for the page is remembered after first request for 240 seconds. Even if a page reads XML data, scrapes websites, does 12 database reads only the first user invokes the code and for 239 more seconds subsequent users get HTML without all the code activity. EVEN IF PAGE WAS INVOKED VIA POST AND/OR GET ASP+ keeps many relevant independent caches if necessary transparent to the person coding the page. b. Fragment caching is possible too. If the above page had several database reads, several website scrapes and had some customized content for a user directives could be placed that cache one of the database segments for 1 hour, another for 10 minutes, the scraper data for 3 minutes of granularity and leave the user-driven customized component alone. c. Any cache can be tied to a file resource, if the file date/time changes, the cache is dirtied and rebuilt. d. Any cache item (like a business object) that is created by a developer can be marked with a cost so that if ASPNG has to remove items from the cache to conserve memory it doesn't throw items out that are expensive to rebuild time-wise. You know your resources and bottlenecks so these hints you supply keep the system from removing your cached data that is hard to rebuild. Look at: http://www.aspng.com/learn/dbtable.aspx for an example of simple output caching. Sessions can persist a machine reboot ONLY IF IF IF you adjust config.web settings so sessions are stored to a backend database (SQLserver, Oracle, whatever) transparently to the code. Otherwise sessions leave upon timeout. Of course sessions and apps are only one of the tools a programmer has to attain raw speed and high scalability in a VERY scalable way. HTTP Handlers will blow your mind. ISAPI speed/power and low-level access. High-level declaritive elegance when writing. http://www.aspng.com/quickstart/aspplus/doc/httphandlers.aspx Writing NT services is trivial and free-threaded with Notepad and VB: http://www.aspng.com/quickstart/howto/doc/SimpleService.aspx ITS A WHOLE NEW WORLD!!!!! From sgd at ti3.com Wed Nov 8 15:00:54 2000 From: sgd at ti3.com (Scott Dexter) Date: Wed Nov 8 15:00:54 2000 Subject: [thelist] [aspng] Re: Differences Message-ID: <8C8B8745C0FE7A43BFA6CABAB321117223F67A@gate.ti3.com> one more spew from Mr Carroll about general differences between ASP and ASP+ If you wanted to throw away the other email after a couple paragraphs, read this one in its entirety, is more generic.... sgd -- work: http://www.ti3.com/ non: http://thinksafely.org/ -----Original Message----- From: Charles Carroll [mailto:darthcarroll at asplists.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2000 1:32 AM To: aspng Subject: [aspng] Re: Differences At 11:45 AM 11/8/2000 +0530, you wrote: Hi Can anybody give me the common features(coding) available in ASP and ASP+. With Regards Karthik Swaminathan Classic Asp has (1) 6 objects, see: http://www.learnasp.com/start/objects.asp which are components that make web-development dynamic. (2) 2 built-in script languages (VBscript, Jscript) that are NOT compiled. some 3rd party languages: Perlscript, Python but not so robust. (3) Database support via ADO which communicates with ODBC and OLEDB databases. Most database display is done through recordsets and loops. Most database manipulation requires code coupled to back-end database that may fail if drivers are switched and needs to be written carefully. (4) Can be extended with COM objects or COM+ (including transactions) that can interact with ASP objects. Supports default interface COM programming, not multiple interfaces. COM and COM+ objects tend to need GUI tools that automate their creation. (5) Some essential COM components that are needed to build websites (browser detection, etc.) -- Simple but useful. Most sites with complex needs will have to build or buy many COM components to complete tasks. (6) Tightly coupled to IIS and NT and Intel. (7) Browser Neutral. The programmer decides which browsers to support. (8) The ASP engine is undocumented so that it cannot easily be extended and only low-level ISAPI filters can be created to accomplish tasks that ASP will not support easily. (9) Once an application is created it's settings reside in the Windows Registry, Binary Metabase, MTS catalogs, IIS settings. Transferring /copying a app from server is a complex tedious job with few automatic tools. Component registration is done via a variety of doftware packages all of which require a system adminstrator run these utilities. (10) Environment assumes code and libraries are written carefully and debugged and stress tested. Flaws in codes or component or memory leaks cause system deterioration and may require soft and hard reboots. (11) Scalability without work is limited because 2 of the core objects (session, application) don't scale on web-farms. Those objects must be replaced with home-brewed or commercial objects if that functionality is wanted on webfarm. Scalability, multi-tier application building and transactional applications are possible to be build but the programmer has few tools to make the task simple. It is just hard work and the programmer must have experience building such systems in the past to build an effective one today. (12) No debugging tools unless Visual Interdev is editor. Debugging tools are crude and have limits on how deep they can examine the system. Error trapping in all languages has severe limits. ASP+ has (1) The NGWS Framework which has ALL the facilities needed to build a ROBUST commercial product of the scope of Office 2000. NGWS is a huge library with thousand of objects that are self-documenting and can be programatically interogated. They range from browser interaction to cryptography to GDI/GDI+ libraries. Sockets and Higher-Level constructs. (2) 3 built in COMPILED languages (has NO scripting languages): VB7 / VBNET, C# and JScript / JSNET (3) Database support via ADO which communicates with: => ODBC and OLEDB databases => XML Streams => Binary Streams => Programming data structures: Hash-tables, Arrays, Array Lists, etc. but is loosely coupled so differences between database vendors do not EVER affect programming model. Database display NEVER involves loops. Templates, grouped controls, Grids and many other declarative structures eliminate need for loops and flexibility is provided so programmer can control all interaction between templates declaritivity. (4) a. Can consume COM and COM+ objects. b. Can be used to create objects that support interfaces and inheritance. Languages can inherit and override methods of objects created in DIFFERENT languages. These can be built with text editors and GUIs are a convenience not a necessity. c. Can make its components into SOAP listeners and proxies with trivial amounts of work by just setting a few attributes. (5) A massive set of built-in components for making GUIs that behave consistently on a variety of browsers. The programmer does not have learn about browsers, ASP+ detects the browser and renders the GUI very differently depending on what browser requests the page. (6) The "guts" of the languages and framework are not tied to INTEL or WINDOWS. The first release is Windows but porting to other computing environments involves little work. (7) Plenty of tools to simplify dealing with diverse browsers. Reduces programmers workload. (8) The ASP+ engine is extremely extensible and high-level utilities called HTTP Handlers can accomplish the most complex of tasks without inheriting the ENTIRE ASP+ infastructure or bloat. (9) Huge complex applications store their settings and components in ASCII files and copying these ASCII files from server to server will result in a perfectly deployed application with no effort. Their are no component registration tools because components do not make any registry entries nor do they need to be compiled before being copied to server. All configuration/security options rely in ASCII/XML files. (10) ASP+ worker process assumes all components and code are likely to crash, leak memory and have bad code (infinite loops, forgetting to advance recordsets). The ASP+ worker process notices bad code and then isolates the thread the code is on, allows no new code to run on same thread and then destroys the thread and all bad code. If code leaks memory, ASP+ worker can create a new instance of itself to run requests and tear down the previous instance that has memory leaks without ever rebooting. (11) Scalability is a core feature with tons of caching, millisecond timing, etc. built-in. It scales on web-farms and supports "web gardens" (1 computer with multiple CPUs). Scalability, multi-tier application building and transactional applications are trivial to build because the programmer has many tools to simplify complex tasks. Programmers with little experience and teams can easily work on complex code and not have trouble integrating presentation and data thanks to the rendering model. (12) Powerful debugging, millisecond timing and profiling are built-in. These can be done without GUIs and with GUI tools. Error trapping is easy because there are many error trapping directives (about 8 x as many as Classic ASP). FINAL NOTE: .aspx means the page is coded in ASP+ It is pretty amazing. Compare: http://www.learnasp.com/learn/dbtable.asp and http://www.aspng.com/learn/dbtable.aspx http://www.aspng.com/learn/columnbinding.aspx to see just how different this amazing technology is. To blow your mind check out: http://www.aspng.com/learn/visualinheritance.aspx which shows how graphic designers can work on one file and programmers another SEPARATE file. Have your heart medicine ready when you see: http://www.aspng.com/learn/gridevents.aspx Try that in "classic ASP" (our nickname for today's ASP) Or contrast: http://www.learnasp.com/learn/dblist.asp and http://www.aspng.com/learn/dblist.aspx http://www.aspng.com/learn/dblistpagelet.aspx Capabilities are beyond your wildest imagination. http://www.aspng.com/learn/pngmake.aspx shows making a PNG file on the fly without 3rd party components for example. As Scott Guthrie, chief architect of ASP+ would say "that is just the tip of the iceberg!" From peterb at corel.com Wed Nov 8 15:26:37 2000 From: peterb at corel.com (Peter Barrett) Date: Wed Nov 8 15:26:37 2000 Subject: [thelist] LiveConnect question References: <4.3.2.7.2.20001108084814.00e349d0@mail.bayou.com> Message-ID: <3A09C633.C920FC91@corel.com> Hi All, I was wondering if anyone had found a way around the Mac/IE problem with Liveconnect (a netscape technology allowing Java functions in an applet to execute javascript functions on the hosting HTML page). Currently, Microsoft says the Mac/IE JVM doesn't support liveconnect, but I was wondering if maybe there was a way to explicitly import certain files from the netscape.javascript package, hosted on the webserver, or other files in the Java40.jar archive netscape provides that would provide the needed functionality. Maybe I'm missing something and this is hopeless, but it seems like it should work... ... anyone else tried this? I was hoping to avoid moving a whole site's UI into java... thanx, ~pete From martin.p.burns at uk.pwcglobal.com Wed Nov 8 16:11:35 2000 From: martin.p.burns at uk.pwcglobal.com (martin.p.burns at uk.pwcglobal.com) Date: Wed Nov 8 16:11:35 2000 Subject: [thelist] CSS/HTML question Message-ID: <80256991.0079C1E1.00@uk-emamta003.ema.pwcinternal.com> Memo from Martin P Burns of PricewaterhouseCoopers -------------------- Start of message text -------------------- ie4.5/Mac renders
correctly, certainly when you have an xHTML DTD. Have a look at http://www.easyweb.co.uk/ for examples. Cheers Martin Please respond to thelist at lists.evolt.org To: "'thelist at lists.evolt.org'" cc: Subject: RE: [thelist] CSS/HTML question Suellen, > For the > majority of browsers and platforms this works fine but I have just > discovered that the 4.5 IE Mac browser used by Intermedia @home > doesn't interpret the
tags and therefore throws all of the menu > items into a single line. I'd bet the
tags will work if you write them as standard HTML rather than as XHTML tags (
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Cheers Martin Please respond to thelist at lists.evolt.org To: thelist at lists.evolt.org cc: Subject: [thelist] LiveConnect question Hi All, I was wondering if anyone had found a way around the Mac/IE problem with Liveconnect (a netscape technology allowing Java functions in an applet to execute javascript functions on the hosting HTML page). Currently, Microsoft says the Mac/IE JVM doesn't support liveconnect, but I was wondering if maybe there was a way to explicitly import certain files from the netscape.javascript package, hosted on the webserver, or other files in the Java40.jar archive netscape provides that would provide the needed functionality. Maybe I'm missing something and this is hopeless, but it seems like it should work... ... anyone else tried this? 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From Rudy_Limeback at maritimelife.ca Wed Nov 8 16:31:33 2000 From: Rudy_Limeback at maritimelife.ca (rudy) Date: Wed Nov 8 16:31:33 2000 Subject: [thelist] Web2000 aftermath articles* Message-ID: > Cool Site in a Day: The Shortest Eight Hours of Our Lives > http://www.webreview.com/pub/2000/11/06/feature/index03.html > > Find out more about the 2 teams: > http://netdiver.net/freelance/entranceset.htm hi carole sorry to hear you came second sounds like it was a blast i wasted a couple hours this afternoon following up all those links (see "emailingering" below) thanks for sharing i didn't want you to think your post was completely overlooked, although there's not much else one can say in response besides "thanks for sharing" your post was in no way off topic, but a "thanks" reply is pretty low on the signal-to-noise meter, so here's a tip anyway... "Emailingering describes a particular and common style of avoiding getting anything done at work, using your computer and the Internet as both cause and justification" -- http://www.tbtf.com/jargon-scout.html#emailingering Jargon Scout is part of TBTF TBTF ("Tasty Bits from the Technology Front") is highly recommended rudy r937.com From icongarden at icongarden.com Wed Nov 8 18:56:58 2000 From: icongarden at icongarden.com (Jacob Stetser) Date: Wed Nov 8 18:56:58 2000 Subject: [thelist] looking for serious hosting Message-ID: <20001109005721.PGBA2410.femail6.sdc1.sfba.home.com@localhost> Tom, our purpose isn't to convince you to change your mind, but rather to share our own experiences with CIHost to balance yours. I think that serves the purposes best, having informed opinions on both sides. Jake P.S. I'm glad you have had good experiencea. Everyone deserves good hosting :) On Wednesday, November 8, 2000, at 10:34 AM, Tom Webb wrote: > Again my experience with CIHost is that they responded quickly to any > problem we have had. CIHost had some growing pains and experienced some > problems but they have been overcome. They responded quickly to any > problems we have had. All my customers have not had the experiences with > CIHost that you have had. They have been extremely helpful when setting up > the service for all our customers and I find their service people competent > and friendly. I have extensive IT background therefore I have been able to > pinpoint the problems that we have experienced and that helps with all > ISPs. I will still recommend them to my customers. > Tom Webb > From nick at aussieinlondon.com Wed Nov 8 19:50:57 2000 From: nick at aussieinlondon.com (Nick Koleszar) Date: Wed Nov 8 19:50:57 2000 Subject: [thelist] migrating from MS Access to SQL Server 7 Message-ID: <000001c0499d$c3d54140$095987d4@internal.netb2b2.com> how about this? I need to migrate my MS Access database to SQL Server 7. All my SQL is in CFM pages. There is only about 6 tables, no queries, nothing else. Do I need to know or do anything special to do this? Will I need any of the books specialising in this work or do I simply need to ensure that I migrate the Access table structure to SQL Server? Nick Koleszar nick at aussieinlondon.com From roselli at earthlink.net Wed Nov 8 20:50:27 2000 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Wed Nov 8 20:50:27 2000 Subject: [thelist] Brainbench Certification In-Reply-To: References: <009801c048d9$eecba340$5a2730d5@harrypotter> Message-ID: <3A09C957.9616.1C58A60D@localhost> i just wanted to address this really quickly... after seeing people claim to be members of the HTML Writer's Guild, which has no stipulations for membership, and no way to qualify members and their ability, i've been turned off to certification for web skills... so much is based on the needs of a client that you can't do it... qualifying specific languages, though, technical concepts and the like, that's easy... so, yeah, i've looked at their stuff, and it's not bad, but it means nothing to me as someone who hires... other than self-confidence and a desire to guage oneself (assuming the candidate didn't BS it), it's not a factor to me... if the W3C suddenly were to offer some sort of certification, then i'd be all for it... but then, they do that already via HTML validation... and since every project you do can be different, i don't care if you're certified, i want to see that your projects are validated, because that demonstrates that not only do you know the technical crap, but you can apply it... so, i guess i'd look for a list of validating sites instead of a certification... but i'm kind weird like that... From roselli at earthlink.net Wed Nov 8 20:52:59 2000 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Wed Nov 8 20:52:59 2000 Subject: [thelist] AOL In-Reply-To: <3A098D37.D61F91D@sam-i-am.com> Message-ID: <3A09C9EE.24374.1C5AF404@localhost> > From:Sam-I-Am > > can we get it (as well as 4,5) up on the browser archive? > (http://browsers.evolt.org/) i would, except for a few things... - you really can't use it without signing up to AOL, so it seems kinda pointless... - i already have been treated as tech support for a lot of these browsers (which i am not), and i don't have time to refer people to AOL... - personally, i don't even want to endorse AOL, but that's not a factor here... - we already know the rendering engines for each version, so it might be easier to grab the appropriate IE anyway... - you can't truly get the AOL experience without using their proxies... so the browser is only part of it... you need to test the IP re-allocations, the image compressions, etc... From Anthony at Baratta.com Wed Nov 8 23:24:19 2000 From: Anthony at Baratta.com (Anthony Baratta) Date: Wed Nov 8 23:24:19 2000 Subject: [thelist] migrating from MS Access to SQL Server 7 References: <000001c0499d$c3d54140$095987d4@internal.netb2b2.com> Message-ID: <3A0A29CB.C9B35893@Baratta.com> Nick Koleszar wrote: > > how about this? > > I need to migrate my MS Access database to SQL Server 7. All my SQL is in > CFM pages. There is only about 6 tables, no queries, nothing else. Like someone said here this earlier week. Use the MS SQL Data Transformation Wizard to import the table structures from Access into MS SQL. Massage the structures so that they are typed correctly (Access -> MS SQL converts some of the data types to pretty screwy things.) Then import the data. -- Anthony Baratta President KeyBoard Jockeys South Park Speaks Version 3 is here!!! http://www.baratta.com/southpark Powered by Tsunami From adrian at logo-logic.com Wed Nov 8 23:37:39 2000 From: adrian at logo-logic.com (Adrian Fischer) Date: Wed Nov 8 23:37:39 2000 Subject: [thelist] html Mail in Perl Message-ID: <00c901c04a0f$2b284c40$d6b32dcb@qld.bigpond.net.au> Hi Gang, Hey thanks Anthony for the page break thing. I haven't had a play with it yet but Ill let you know how it goes when I do. Heres my question for the day...Is it possible to send html formatted email from within a perl/mysql dirven program? Putting the html into the script itself doesn't work. I think you need to have some sort of header information telling it that its html? If so I don't know how or were. &sendemail($form{'EMAIL'},$config{'admin_address'},"The Subject"," Blah blah foo"); Any ideas? Thanks Adrian Fischer Brisbane Australia From Anthony at Baratta.com Thu Nov 9 00:09:42 2000 From: Anthony at Baratta.com (Anthony Baratta) Date: Thu Nov 9 00:09:42 2000 Subject: [thelist] html Mail in Perl References: <00c901c04a0f$2b284c40$d6b32dcb@qld.bigpond.net.au> Message-ID: <3A0A4003.998D71D6@Baratta.com> Adrian Fischer wrote: > > Heres my question for the day...Is it possible to send html formatted email > from within a perl/mysql dirven program? Putting the html into the script > itself doesn't work. I think you need to have some sort of header > information telling it that its html? If so I don't know how or were. You need to format the email so that HTML compliant email readers know the HTML is embedded into the body of the message. There a a few places on the net that discuss formatting HTML email. I hope someone else provides the links - I never kept any of the ones tossed out here for previous responses to this question. A quick look at some of the spam I get, shows two ways to format the email. One is to embed a new email header: Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Then the whole email message will be interpreted as HTML. Two is to allow part for text and part for HTML: This goes in the header: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------4654AA3D6893237A52FACAAF" Watch for wrap. Also the boundary is completely made up, but must be used exactly the same through out the message. The for the first part of the email you might want a plain text message: --------------4654AA3D6893237A52FACAAF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Plain test message goes here --------------4654AA3D6893237A52FACAAF Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="name of html file" HTML goes here And then you need a boundary to end the message. --------------4654AA3D6893237A52FACAAF-- Thats the basics in a nutshell. -- Anthony Baratta President KeyBoard Jockeys South Park Speaks Version 3 is here!!! http://www.baratta.com/southpark Powered by Tsunami From erika at seastorm.com Thu Nov 9 01:19:55 2000 From: erika at seastorm.com (Erika Meyer) Date: Thu Nov 9 01:19:55 2000 Subject: [thelist] CSS/HTML question In-Reply-To: <80256991.0079C1E1.00@uk-emamta003.ema.pwcinternal.com> References: <80256991.0079C1E1.00@uk-emamta003.ema.pwcinternal.com> Message-ID: I think the whole point behind
...and any other XHTML tag that ends with a space and slash... is that it is supposed to render consistently on all browsers. I'd be curious to know what, if any, platforms have problems with these tags. Erika >ie4.5/Mac renders
correctly, certainly when you have an xHTML >DTD. Have a look at http://www.easyweb.co.uk/ for examples. > >Cheers >Martin erika at seastorm.com From adrian at logo-logic.com Thu Nov 9 02:38:00 2000 From: adrian at logo-logic.com (Adrian Fischer) Date: Thu Nov 9 02:38:00 2000 Subject: [thelist] accessing mail in unix(linux) Message-ID: <019101c04a28$5ec3a040$d6b32dcb@qld.bigpond.net.au> Heres another one, using perl can I access the ".mail" file in my "/" directory. The idea being that I open and read it using pattern matching or the like...find what I want and update a mysql table accordingly. I can ftp to it and read it but cant seem to telnet to it. Can get the directory but the file is hidden(?) I would be doing a cron job to run the perl script to read the .mail file ever now and then. I have the cron job tip from the archives...its the reading the .mail file with perl thats go me stumped. Any ideas. Adrian Fischer Brisbane Australia From sck at biljettpoolen.se Thu Nov 9 02:58:31 2000 From: sck at biljettpoolen.se (Steve Cook) Date: Thu Nov 9 02:58:31 2000 Subject: [thelist] accessing mail in unix(linux) Message-ID: <3B55A5A1F233D41183A800D0B74D4D5205E5F5@SBS> Hi Adrian, you shouldn't have any problem I think. I'm a little confused that you don't see the file when telnetting to the box. Have you tried "ls -a"? (which displays all files, even those prefixed with a .) In your perl script, you should simply be able to open the file using its full path and name. Hope this helps. .steve ---------------------------------- WapWarp - http://wapwarp.com Wap-Dev - http://www.wap-dev.net Cookstour - http://cookstour.org ---------------------------------- > -----Original Message----- > From: Adrian Fischer [mailto:adrian at logo-logic.com] > Sent: den 9 november 2000 09:38 > To: The List > Subject: [thelist] accessing mail in unix(linux) > > > Heres another one, > > using perl can I access the ".mail" file in my "/" directory. > The idea > being that I open and read it using pattern matching or the > like...find what > I want and update a mysql table accordingly. > > I can ftp to it and read it but cant seem to telnet to it. > Can get the > directory but the file is hidden(?) > > I would be doing a cron job to run the perl script to read > the .mail file > ever now and then. > > I have the cron job tip from the archives...its the reading > the .mail file > with perl thats go me stumped. > > Any ideas. > > > Adrian Fischer > Brisbane > Australia > > > --------------------------------------- > For unsubscribe and other options, including > the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: > http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From l.lytollis at hughesrae.co.uk Thu Nov 9 03:01:11 2000 From: l.lytollis at hughesrae.co.uk (Les Lytollis) Date: Thu Nov 9 03:01:11 2000 Subject: [thelist] set as homepage code Message-ID: <003401c04a2b$6032b940$6500780a@hughesrae.co.uk> Hi All, I'm sure this must have been asked before, but I can't find it in the archives, so here goes. Is it possible to have a "make this my homepage" button/link for anything but IE5? Thanks, Lez From chris at lonondweb.net Thu Nov 9 04:03:29 2000 From: chris at lonondweb.net (Chris Hayes) Date: Thu Nov 9 04:03:29 2000 Subject: [thelist] Knuckle-headed SQL Question References: <001c01c0481d$f5abc3a0$02049ad8@michelef> Message-ID: <3a0a7532@fuseware.com> > > Ron's solution is the same I use for letters Name Like 'A%'. > > I'd try > > SELECT whatever FROM wherever WHERE Name RLIKE '[0-9].*' > > RLIKE, or REGEXP let you use full regex for searches. Can you do this? I have never seen REGEXes in SQL, not that I'm any kind of guru. Is this in Access2000 SQL? From persist1_pdx at yahoo.com Thu Nov 9 06:51:28 2000 From: persist1_pdx at yahoo.com (Ben Henick) Date: Thu Nov 9 06:51:28 2000 Subject: [thelist] When life and coding are incompatible...? Message-ID: <20001109125142.16637.qmail@web3905.mail.yahoo.com> Let me paint for you a scenario: You are under deadline, and while that deadline is distant your To Do List leaves you juggling china... And into the middle of your life strides a personal crisis. Just wanted to know: how do y'all on the list preserve your ability to drive a train of thought when this happens? (In the past I've had the luxury of taking time off because I could see it coming, but not this time.) Call me a wimp if you like, but in any event advice would be welcome... ===== Ben Henick | "In the long run, men hit only Web Author At-Large | what they aim at. Therefore, www.io.com/persist1/ | though they should fail persist1 at io.com | immediately, they had better aim persist1_pdx at yahoo.com | high." --Henry David Thoreau __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From sck at biljettpoolen.se Thu Nov 9 07:28:00 2000 From: sck at biljettpoolen.se (Steve Cook) Date: Thu Nov 9 07:28:00 2000 Subject: [thelist] When life and coding are incompatible...? Message-ID: <3B55A5A1F233D41183A800D0B74D4D5205E602@SBS> I once had the dubious pleasure of working with someone who I also shared a flat with. At the time, I in fact shared a flat with 7 people, 4 of whom I worked with, but this particular person and I worked on the same counter at the particular shop where we were employed. It meant in effect that I was with this person around 16 or so hours a day! Funnily enough, there would occasionally be a personal quarrel or sometimes a work dispute that we had to try and resolve in a way that allowed us to work out the particular problem and at the same time get on with each other well enough to either work or live together in relatively normal harmony. We came to the agreement that between us, we would not bring work problems home and we would not drag private disputes into the workplace. How we managed this is perhaps harder to explain, but at the end of the day there must be a divide between your home life and your work life. When you walk out the door, you have a journey to work where you can paint a mental border at a particular point. When you cross that border (the entry to your place of work for instance), you are a professional. It takes an effort of will certainly, but try playing Jedi Mind Games on yourself and you should be able to relegate that personal problem to the back of your mind during work hours. Of course that's not to say that the problem should be suppressed - that's not healthy at all, but to lock it away for those 7 hours every day should be possible and should leave you feeling satisfied at your own professionalism and ability to cope under adversity. It should also give you more space when you are back into your personal time to concentrate on the personal problem at hand, if you are not worrying about how your work is suffering. Remember - if you slip, don't beat yourself up over it - we are all only human after all! But don't let a slip up stop you from continuing to try and keep your focus on your professional life once you are over that border line. Good luck Ben and I hope this helps a little. .steve ---------------------------------- WapWarp - http://wapwarp.com Wap-Dev - http://www.wap-dev.net Cookstour - http://cookstour.org ---------------------------------- > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Henick [mailto:persist1_pdx at yahoo.com] > Sent: den 9 november 2000 13:52 > To: thelist at lists.evolt.org > Subject: [thelist] When life and coding are incompatible...? > > > Let me paint for you a scenario: > > You are under deadline, and while that deadline is distant your To Do > List leaves you juggling china... > > And into the middle of your life strides a personal crisis. > > Just wanted to know: how do y'all on the list preserve your > ability to > drive a train of thought when this happens? (In the past I've had the > luxury of taking time off because I could see it coming, but not this > time.) Call me a wimp if you like, but in any event advice would be > welcome... From zoe.oughton at btconnect.com Thu Nov 9 07:28:45 2000 From: zoe.oughton at btconnect.com (Zoe Oughton) Date: Thu Nov 9 07:28:45 2000 Subject: [thelist] Checking sites in AOL? In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.0.20001020181241.009e6d90@mail.nota-bene.org> Message-ID: Hi listees How do people check their sites with an AOL browser, yet without signing up with AOL?? Can I just download the AOL browser and use than? TIA Zoe From roselli at earthlink.net Thu Nov 9 07:39:14 2000 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Thu Nov 9 07:39:14 2000 Subject: [thelist] Checking sites in AOL? In-Reply-To: References: <5.0.0.25.0.20001020181241.009e6d90@mail.nota-bene.org> Message-ID: <3A0A60E9.31402.1EA8CF0A@localhost> > From: Zoe Oughton > > How do people check their sites with an AOL browser, yet without signing up > with AOL?? > > Can I just download the AOL browser and use than? i just addressed the problems with this last night in a post about the AOL browser... i deleted that, so i'll try to cover it quickly... - AOL requires you to sign up to use it, which means you gotta pay... - you have to be prepared to test for AOL's unique traits, such as image re-compression and very dynamic IP assigning... - depending on the version of AOL, you can track down the version of IE used as its engine... if it's pre-IE, well, you're stuck... - if you don't want to sign up to AOL, find someone who is an AOL user who will allow you to use their system for testing every now and then... From stef at nota-bene.org Thu Nov 9 07:39:29 2000 From: stef at nota-bene.org (s t e f) Date: Thu Nov 9 07:39:29 2000 Subject: [thelist] When life and coding are incompatible...? In-Reply-To: <20001109125142.16637.qmail@web3905.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20001109144208.009e44a0@mail.nota-bene.org> [sender: Ben Henick || date: 04:51 09/11/2000 -0800] >Let me paint for you a scenario: > >You are under deadline, and while that deadline is distant your To Do >List leaves you juggling china... > >And into the middle of your life strides a personal crisis. > >Just wanted to know: how do y'all on the list preserve your ability to >drive a train of thought when this happens? (In the past I've had the >luxury of taking time off because I could see it coming, but not this >time.) Call me a wimp if you like, but in any event advice would be >welcome... Tough question, Ben. The only time when I had a big personal trouble, I was able to take three weeks away from work. Anyway. you can contact me offline if you want to talk. s t e f From george.dillon at ukonline.co.uk Thu Nov 9 08:18:49 2000 From: george.dillon at ukonline.co.uk (George Dillon) Date: Thu Nov 9 08:18:49 2000 Subject: [thelist] Is this spam or not? References: <3B55A5A1F233D41183A800D0B74D4D5205E602@SBS> Message-ID: <003201c04a57$f4cd9da0$ecc82cc3@athlon800> I received some Spam today which I consider Spam, but which bore the following footnote: "Under Bill s.1618 Title III passed by 105th U. S. Congress this mail can not be considered Spam as long as we include contact information and a remove link for removal from our mailing list. To be removed from our mailing list reply with remove in the subject heading. " According to this Spam, I have now broken U.S. law by considering the aforementioned Spam to be Spam. Or have I? Is there such a law? Not that I give 2 hoots about breaking U.S. laws, but I'm rather curious. George Dillon FWIW. The Spam was from 'a140497 AT infovia.com.ar' (KWIM) and it was about how to avoid radiation from cell phones. BTW. Did I mention that it was Spam? Just out - an amazing new FREEWARE app called SpyGuru http://ilia.reznik.home.mindspring.com/spyguru.htm I don't normally do this - recommend programs I haven't tried out myself for at least a month - but IMHO this is a truly exceptional example of FREEWARE at its very best. Here is how it describes itself: This program integrates many features of famous Spy++, NT-PerfMon, PView, Monitor, Norton Utilities for Windows-9x, Agent, Capture, MemTurbo, etc, contains friendly hex editor. In addition, it has a lot of unique properties. The application contains quite powerful Task Manager allowing termination of processes, releasing DLL, getting information about modules used by process, it's environment, windows of process. It allows capture windows and menus. Programmer or system administrator can study history or time-dependence of not only usual performance counters but near arbitrary value which can be measured as long integer number from inside address space of selected process. You can easy investigate changes in file system or in the registry. Unlike a majority of utilities of such a kind the SpyGuru works both under Windows 9x and Windows NT. From jamie at bayou.com Thu Nov 9 08:41:59 2000 From: jamie at bayou.com (Jamie Madden) Date: Thu Nov 9 08:41:59 2000 Subject: [thelist] Penalties Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20001109084025.00e3abb0@mail.bayou.com> Is it common practice among developers to charge a client a penalty for the late delivery of content if the date for that content delivery was specifically stated in the contract? I'm having an incredibly hard time getting some clients to deliver content in a timely manner and it's costing me money in the long run by halting productivity. Also, I asked this question yesterday to no avail. Does anyone know, on average, how much an ad view is worth. Thanks guys. jamie From sck at biljettpoolen.se Thu Nov 9 09:02:19 2000 From: sck at biljettpoolen.se (Steve Cook) Date: Thu Nov 9 09:02:19 2000 Subject: [thelist] Penalties Message-ID: <3B55A5A1F233D41183A800D0B74D4D5205E606@SBS> Hi Jamie, it's not very common practise - the majority of clients tend to frown upon being charged for such things. Unfortunately it's a difficult problem to solve at times. Careful project management from an early stage can help manage the problem and also alert a contractor to a potential future problem. However once you are past that stage it's down to good old fashioned politics. Having come across the problem several times, I have usually tackled it by sitting with my primary client contact and firstly discussing the problem. Make it clear that if the problem dowsn't resolve itself within a clear timeframe you will be forced to put a hold on the project until the material has arrived. Alternatively, you may discuss the possibility of going ahead and launching with the areas where content has arrived and then adding in the other areas once all the content is in. It helps to produce a clear content requirements list for the client. You could use this as the basis for the meeting. Often your main contact will be all too willing to help, but other people in the organisation are slowing things up. In this case, discuss all the possibilities with your main contact. Generally, threatening to fine won't produce any results, but a diplomatically posed deadline with the penalty being that you are going to focus your resources on your more forthcoming clients may produce better results. Regarding your question about advertising, I loked at that yesterday and decided that there was no answer! You ask to disregard all the factors that actually decide an advert's price. Without taking such metrics as audience figures, targetting, location etc into account there is no value to the advert. Sorry, but you would really need to be more specific in the question. I hope all this helps .steve ---------------------------------- WapWarp - http://wapwarp.com Wap-Dev - http://www.wap-dev.net Cookstour - http://cookstour.org ---------------------------------- > -----Original Message----- > From: Jamie Madden [mailto:jamie at bayou.com] > Sent: den 9 november 2000 15:44 > To: thelist at lists.evolt.org > Subject: [thelist] Penalties > > > Is it common practice among developers to charge a client a > penalty for the > late delivery of content if the date for that content delivery was > specifically stated in the contract? I'm having an > incredibly hard time > getting some clients to deliver content in a timely manner > and it's costing > me money in the long run by halting productivity. > > Also, I asked this question yesterday to no avail. Does > anyone know, on > average, how much an ad view is worth. > > Thanks guys. > > jamie > > > --------------------------------------- > For unsubscribe and other options, including > the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: > http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From donnajj at gwi.net Thu Nov 9 09:14:59 2000 From: donnajj at gwi.net (Donna Jones) Date: Thu Nov 9 09:14:59 2000 Subject: [thelist] Checking sites in AOL? References: Message-ID: <3A0ABF8C.2FBA73A3@gwi.net> I signed up with AOL to be able to check things. Really didn't want to give them any money, though I think I could keep connected for as low as around $10 a month, maybe even less - not sure. Anyway, whenever I would call to cancel (and I put it on my calendar to make sure I didn't forget) they would give me another month free. I would make sure I got a confirming e-mail for this, just in case it ended up in an "argument" and made sure to check my credit card, also! This has been going on for four months. I think I can probably "resign" and then "re-sign" up again a few months down the road, but haven't got that far yet. Best wishes, Donna Zoe Oughton wrote: > > Hi listees > > How do people check their sites with an AOL browser, yet without signing up > with AOL?? > > Can I just download the AOL browser and use than? > > TIA > > Zoe > > --------------------------------------- > For unsubscribe and other options, including > the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: > http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Donna Jones: 207.772.0266 Home Site: http://www.westendwebs.com Have you been to the hunger site ( http://thehungersite.com/ ) today? From em at members.evolt.org Thu Nov 9 09:18:03 2000 From: em at members.evolt.org (Emily Christensen) Date: Thu Nov 9 09:18:03 2000 Subject: [thelist] Penalties References: <4.3.2.7.2.20001109084025.00e3abb0@mail.bayou.com> Message-ID: <002501c04a71$64d64de0$0201a8c0@KSCABLE.com> From: "Jamie Madden" > Also, I asked this question yesterday to no avail. Does anyone know, on > average, how much an ad view is worth. I have heard US$30 - $45 per 1000 views as a general rule. The amount of money varies depending on the audience and how targeted the audience is. I am not an expert on this issue, but that should give you some idea. Emily ~ project of the moment: http://www.colleenjameson.com/ From donnajj at gwi.net Thu Nov 9 09:29:14 2000 From: donnajj at gwi.net (Donna Jones) Date: Thu Nov 9 09:29:14 2000 Subject: [thelist] Is this spam or not? References: <3B55A5A1F233D41183A800D0B74D4D5205E602@SBS> <003201c04a57$f4cd9da0$ecc82cc3@athlon800> Message-ID: <3A0AC2E2.982F298B@gwi.net> Here's a site I just found that looks good. http://www.cauce.org/legislation/s1618_hr3888.shtml These folks thought it was a bad idea. It looks like it was in fact legislation that was considered but that got killed. Not totally sure if that's the last word on it or not though. Donna George Dillon wrote: > > I received some Spam today which I consider Spam, but which bore the > following footnote: > > "Under Bill s.1618 Title III passed by 105th U. S. Congress this mail can > not be considered Spam as long as we include contact information > and a remove link for removal from our mailing list. To be removed from our > mailing list reply with remove in the subject heading. " > > According to this Spam, I have now broken U.S. law by considering the > aforementioned Spam to be Spam. Or have I? Is there such a law? Not that > I give 2 hoots about breaking U.S. laws, but I'm rather curious. > > George Dillon > > FWIW. The Spam was from 'a140497 AT infovia.com.ar' (KWIM) and it was about > how to avoid radiation from cell phones. > > BTW. Did I mention that it was Spam? > > > > Just out - an amazing new FREEWARE app called SpyGuru > > http://ilia.reznik.home.mindspring.com/spyguru.htm > > I don't normally do this - recommend programs I haven't tried out myself for > at least a month - but IMHO this is a truly exceptional example of FREEWARE > at its very best. > > Here is how it describes itself: > > > > This program integrates many features of famous Spy++, NT-PerfMon, PView, > Monitor, Norton Utilities for Windows-9x, Agent, Capture, MemTurbo, etc, > contains friendly hex editor. In addition, it has a lot of unique > properties. > > The application contains quite powerful Task Manager allowing termination of > processes, releasing DLL, getting information about modules used by process, > it's environment, windows of process. It allows capture windows and menus. > Programmer or system administrator can study history or time-dependence of > not only usual performance counters but near arbitrary value which can be > measured as long integer number from inside address space of selected > process. You can easy investigate changes in file system or in the registry. > > Unlike a majority of utilities of such a kind the SpyGuru works both under > Windows 9x and Windows NT. > > > > > > --------------------------------------- > For unsubscribe and other options, including > the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: > http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Donna Jones: 207.772.0266 Home Site: http://www.westendwebs.com Have you been to the hunger site ( http://thehungersite.com/ ) today? From joelf at dmv.com Thu Nov 9 09:33:28 2000 From: joelf at dmv.com (Joel Firestone) Date: Thu Nov 9 09:33:28 2000 Subject: [thelist] Select problem on Mac in NN Message-ID: <3a0ac316$1@fuseware.com> Everyone: Has anyone using a Netscape in Mac had a problem where a select box has options that are all garbled? Instead of: John Jim Joan Joanne I get: John Jim Jo an Joanne But then it gets to a certian point and works fine, displaying each on their own line. I'm using Cold Fusion to query a database and simply populate the select box with options. Any ideas? I'm stumped. Or is it just a bug in NN on a Mac? Cuz it works fine in IE. And both versions work fine in Netscape. Thanks. ========================= Joel Firestone - Lead Developer Delmarva Online Web Development http://www.dmv.com/ From aphelan at confederationc.on.ca Thu Nov 9 09:51:54 2000 From: aphelan at confederationc.on.ca (aphelan (Andrea Phelan)) Date: Thu Nov 9 09:51:54 2000 Subject: [thelist] Penalties Message-ID: As for penalties, I have never put them to use, I have never really found not having content to cost me money though, if I run out of work to do, I simply halt production. As a general rule, I set a deadline for content from the client, and a deadline for contract completion, and the contract completion date is pushed back as the content receival is delayed. A Solution: I find this little trick to be very effective, since I started implementing it I have been getting content about 80% more faithfully than prior to. Only ask for a little bit of content at a time. Often a client finds it very discouraging to view all at once all of the content they have to deliver, alot of clients go into the project expecting you to do all the work. At the beginning, hand them an overview of all the content that will be needed, but then set little dates. Tell them one day that you will need the content for 'section 1' at the end of the week, and at the end of that week, ok, i'll need the content for 'section 2' by the end of the week, pacing this to whatever your deadline is. Its a little bit of client psychofreeky. They tend to put off developing content when its one big task, as opposed to many little tasks :) Annie >I'm having an incredibly hard time getting some clients to deliver content in a timely manner and it's costing me money in the long run by halting productivity. ____________________________ Andrea Phelan Web Developer/Technician Confederation College From sgd at ti3.com Thu Nov 9 09:52:45 2000 From: sgd at ti3.com (Scott Dexter) Date: Thu Nov 9 09:52:45 2000 Subject: [thelist] When life and coding are incompatible...? Message-ID: <8C8B8745C0FE7A43BFA6CABAB321117223F6A1@gate.ti3.com> I muscle through the best I can. Get a pair of headphones, don't answer the phone (even if its her) and get your time in, and get out for the day. Change your music. Self-impose a surfing ban (and evolt if you have to) until you get yer shit done. These 9 hours are for working, the rest of the day is for the other stuff. Its tough, but ya gotta do what ya gotta do I also told my boss what was going on, which helps soften the deadline sometimes (and even gets the To-Do list spread around to others in some cases) sgd (in the middle of breaking up with his g/f of 3 1/2 yrs and dad's in the hospital this week) -- work: http://www.ti3.com/ non: http://thinksafely.org/ > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Henick [mailto:persist1_pdx at yahoo.com] > > Just wanted to know: how do y'all on the list preserve your > ability to > drive a train of thought when this happens? (In the past I've had the > luxury of taking time off because I could see it coming, but not this > time.) Call me a wimp if you like, but in any event advice would be > welcome... From martin.p.burns at uk.pwcglobal.com Thu Nov 9 09:54:26 2000 From: martin.p.burns at uk.pwcglobal.com (martin.p.burns at uk.pwcglobal.com) Date: Thu Nov 9 09:54:26 2000 Subject: [thelist] Is this spam or not? Message-ID: <80256992.0056C6FB.00@uk-emamta003.ema.pwcinternal.com> Memo from Martin P Burns of PricewaterhouseCoopers -------------------- Start of message text -------------------- I would think (not knowing the legislation in question, but on 'sensible' expectations) that they've missed off "with which we will comply". Or is that childish optimism? Cheers Martin Please respond to thelist at lists.evolt.org To: thelist at lists.evolt.org cc: Subject: [thelist] Is this spam or not? I received some Spam today which I consider Spam, but which bore the following footnote: "Under Bill s.1618 Title III passed by 105th U. S. Congress this mail can not be considered Spam as long as we include contact information and a remove link for removal from our mailing list. To be removed from our mailing list reply with remove in the subject heading. " According to this Spam, I have now broken U.S. law by considering the aforementioned Spam to be Spam. Or have I? Is there such a law? Not that I give 2 hoots about breaking U.S. laws, but I'm rather curious. George Dillon --------------------- End of message text -------------------- The principal place of business of PricewaterhouseCoopers and its associate partnerships is 1 Embankment Place, London WC2N 6NN where lists of the partners' names are available for inspection. All partners in the associate partnerships are authorised to conduct business as agents of, and all contracts for services to clients are with, PricewaterhouseCoopers. The UK firm of PricewaterhouseCoopers is authorised by the Institute of Chartered Accountants in England and Wales to carry on investment business. PricewaterhouseCoopers is a member of the world-wide PricewaterhouseCoopers organisation. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From sebastien at oven.com Thu Nov 9 09:56:03 2000 From: sebastien at oven.com (Seb Barre) Date: Thu Nov 9 09:56:03 2000 Subject: [thelist] Select problem on Mac in NN In-Reply-To: <3a0ac316$1@fuseware.com> Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20001109105250.02356190@pop.oven.com> At 10:32 AM 11/9/2000 -0500, you wrote: >Everyone: > >Has anyone using a Netscape in Mac had a problem where a select box >has options that are all garbled? Instead of: > >John >Jim >Joan >Joanne > >I get: > >John Jim Jo >an Joanne > >But then it gets to a certian point and works fine, displaying each on their >own line. I'm using Cold Fusion to query a database and simply populate the >select box with options. > >Any ideas? I'm stumped. Or is it just a bug in NN on a Mac? Cuz it works >fine in IE. And both versions work fine in Netscape. The only thing I could suggest without seeing the source would be to make sure that each closing tag. Browsers don't require this as far as I know (I've seen many pages that don't have them and work fine), but it's good practice to include it. --- -- - Seb Barre - seb at oven.com OVEN Digital Toronto Work: 416-595-9750 x 222 Mobile: 416-254-5078 http://www.oven.com/ From roselli at earthlink.net Thu Nov 9 10:26:10 2000 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Thu Nov 9 10:26:10 2000 Subject: [thelist] Penalties In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20001109084025.00e3abb0@mail.bayou.com> Message-ID: <200011091626.eA9GQ9h23955@farmer.oracular.com> > From: Jamie Madden > > Is it common practice among developers to charge a client a penalty for the > late delivery of content if the date for that content delivery was > specifically stated in the contract? I'm having an incredibly hard time > getting some clients to deliver content in a timely manner and it's costing > me money in the long run by halting productivity. i don't charge, but it does go into the project plan and agreement... the client signs off on it knowing that for every day they don't deliver something i need, that's one day later it will be... once the client misses deadlines and expects it in the same timeframe, however, that's a rush job, which is out of scope, which gets an appropriate % increase for rush work... > Also, I asked this question yesterday to no avail. Does anyone know, on > average, how much an ad view is worth. i can't answer that... there is no average... an average among certain sites, or among guaranteed views is another thing... From bharoche at usa.net Thu Nov 9 10:32:17 2000 From: bharoche at usa.net (Bob Haroche) Date: Thu Nov 9 10:32:17 2000 Subject: [thelist] Checking sites in AOL? References: <5.0.0.25.0.20001020181241.009e6d90@mail.nota-bene.org> <3A0A60E9.31402.1EA8CF0A@localhost> Message-ID: <006a01c04a6a$acbe10e0$9896ccd1@desktop> You can install the AOL browser without signing up, and then use File | Open to browse to a file on your hard drive. Like Aardvark says, though, you're not getting the full AOL nightmare...er, experience. Image compression, proxy caching and other AOL network issues probably won't be simulated. You can get an AOL account for $5/month (for 5 or 10 hours a month, I forget which). That's not bad, and probably enough time to get your tesing done. If you're forced to be on dial up (as I am), it's also nice to have a back up connection when your regular ISP is acting flaky. From matthew.garrett at snet.net Thu Nov 9 10:35:57 2000 From: matthew.garrett at snet.net (matthew garrett) Date: Thu Nov 9 10:35:57 2000 Subject: [thelist] When life and coding are incompatible...? In-Reply-To: <20001109125142.16637.qmail@web3905.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: It all depends on the personal crisis. If it is literally a life or death matter (for you, or someone you love), then life wins - and work gets handed off. If it's more of an emotional thing, then it's a different and more difficult issue. Just over a year ago, I broke my neck on the first day of vacation. I was lucky enough to retain the use of all my body parts, and could even resume limited business the following week. I could participate in phone meetings, I could think, but I could NOT sit in front of a computer and accomplish anything. It was physically difficult, and mentally unworthwhile. It was months before I could be productive for more than a few hours a day. My clients were quite understanding, of course (broken necks are great for sympathy amd wow! factor). Anyway, the experience reminded me that life is more important than work. It wasn't my work that got me through the spot, it was my friends and family - my life. People who were willing to put little parts of their lives on hold to help me. On the other hand, during an emotional crisis two years ago (read: spectacularly doomed relationship), I just tried to keep my head down and grind through work, but I wasn't that busy at the time - and even then, the train of thought was easily de-railed. Plus, I had no choice, there was nothing else I could do. If spending time on the crisis can change the outcome, then decide how much it means to you, and how to do it. If there's a will... and all that. best of luck, matt > > Let me paint for you a scenario: > > You are under deadline, and while that deadline is distant your To Do > List leaves you juggling china... > > And into the middle of your life strides a personal crisis. > > Just wanted to know: how do y'all on the list preserve your ability to > drive a train of thought when this happens? (In the past I've had the > luxury of taking time off because I could see it coming, but not this > time.) Call me a wimp if you like, but in any event advice would be > welcome... > > > > ===== > Ben Henick | "In the long run, men hit only > Web Author At-Large | what they aim at. Therefore, > www.io.com/persist1/ | though they should fail > persist1 at io.com | immediately, they had better aim > persist1_pdx at yahoo.com | high." --Henry David Thoreau > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------- > For unsubscribe and other options, including > the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: > http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From Stringers at LIBRARY.Vanderbilt.edu Thu Nov 9 10:38:14 2000 From: Stringers at LIBRARY.Vanderbilt.edu (Suellen Stringer-Hye) Date: Thu Nov 9 10:38:14 2000 Subject: [thelist] RE: CSS/HTML question In-Reply-To: <80256991.0079C1E1.00@uk-emamta003.ema.pwcinternal.com> Message-ID: <3A0A7E2F.11115.22644C@localhost> Thanks to all who answered my question. I still don't know if replacing
with
has resolved my problem because the friend I asked to look at it for me forgot to last night. The page renders fine with IE4.5Mac, just not the @Home version of IE4.5Mac (PC version seems to work fine). If anyone has this configuration and can look at it for me, let me know if the problem is fixed. I only ran into it when I was at a Science Museum and decided to call up the page to see how it looked. Boy was that a bad surprise. Once I find out, I'll let you know. If not I guess I'll have to look deeper. Thanks again, Suellen From: Date sent: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 22:10:54 +0000 Subject: RE: [thelist] CSS/HTML question To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Send reply to: thelist at lists.evolt.org Memo from Martin P Burns of PricewaterhouseCoopers -------------------- Start of message text -------------------- ie4.5/Mac renders
correctly, certainly when you have an xHTML DTD. Have a look at http://www.easyweb.co.uk/ for examples. Cheers Martin Suellen Stringer-Hye Jean and Alexander Heard Library Vanderbilt University stringers at library.vanderbilt.edu From k.spice at acu.ac.uk Thu Nov 9 10:50:13 2000 From: k.spice at acu.ac.uk (Katherine Spice) Date: Thu Nov 9 10:50:13 2000 Subject: [thelist] When life and coding are incompatible...? References: <20001109125142.16637.qmail@web3905.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3A0AD5E0.819AB492@acu.ac.uk> Hi Ben, > Just wanted to know: how do y'all on the list preserve your ability to > drive a train of thought when this happens? well, i'm not sure about how to drive a train of thought under stressful conditions, but I wanted to point out that you need to take especially good care of yourself at times like this, else you'll end up getting ill (and thereby making the deadline harder = more stress = more ill etc. etc.). Get plenty of rest - even if you're not sleeping too good, take time to veg in front of the telly, read a book, meditate, have a long bath. if you must stay up late working, get one early night for every late one (and sleeping all weekend doesn't count - studies show this can leave you feeling worse - like a kinda jetlag). a milky drink b4 bed can make you drowsy - a natural alternative to sleeping pills Cut down on caffeine (coffee, tea, coke + chocolate) - i know it's no fun, but it will help you sleep better and not weaken your immune system. Eat properly. Try to eat breakfast, lunch and dinner (not at your desk!), at regular times - and don't eat for at least an hour before bed. if you're not getting enough vitamins and minerals (fruit + veggies) take a supplement - it's not as good, but better than nothing. Eat high energy foods like pasta, bread, bananas and avoid too much processed sugar. A regular form of moderate exercise 30-60 minutes a day is good for keeping your body in good condition (and better able to fight off germs). yoga is great for relaxing or walk to the shops in your lunch hour (be sure to take some time away from your desk each day). Lecture over! I don't manage all this myself btw (i'm no saint :-), but working on a recent project (which was more pressurized that my normal stuff) I managed to make myself sick, and the above is a potted version of GP advice + common sense. hope it works out ok. take care, Katherine From martin.p.burns at uk.pwcglobal.com Thu Nov 9 11:19:59 2000 From: martin.p.burns at uk.pwcglobal.com (martin.p.burns at uk.pwcglobal.com) Date: Thu Nov 9 11:19:59 2000 Subject: [thelist] html Mail in Perl Message-ID: <80256992.00464F7F.00@uk-emamta003.ema.pwcinternal.com> Memo from Martin P Burns of PricewaterhouseCoopers -------------------- Start of message text -------------------- 2 part emails are becoming pretty much standard for large companies doing outbound email campaigns. If you look at the x-headers, you'll probably see a credit for either Kana or ePiphany who are the 2 big vendors for outbound email systems. The reason for this is that clickthrough rates are *way* better for HTML email, although it doesn't take into account that those who dislike it (probably most of us) are *really* pissed off about it. The other thing you might see is plain text emails with an HTML part containing only a single-pixel gif. This will test your capability to receive HTML email, so will allow the site to (preferably) know whether to offer you the option of HTML. Alternatively (slightly worse), they may set your default to HTML, giving you that until you express another preference. Or (worst) just send you HTML mail only. fwiw anyone buying one of these 2 will be of the size to have sensible advisors, who *should* have directed the operators towards Seth Godin's Permission Marketing. This essentially says that if a customer hasn't given you permission to contact them in a given manner, then don't do it, and that Spam is the lowest of the low. In the EU, data protection is a matter of law anyway, and the EUCommission is being steered towards anti-spam legislation, which will probably fall in favour of opt-in. Both Kana and ePiphany will integrate with other systems to register and make use of your profile, so you can both set preferences and get customised content. For example, if I register for email info from a wine site, it will quite quickly realise that I'll be interested in Barolo at under a tenner a bottle and Barbera d'Asti and Pinot Grigio in general, plus similar varieties. On the other hand, I can't *stand* New World Chardonnay - it's wayyyy too buttery for me. Theoretically, this will be reflected in the content delivered to me, whether specific offers, or non- product editorial. Cheers Martin Please respond to thelist at lists.evolt.org To: thelist at lists.evolt.org cc: Subject: Re: [thelist] html Mail in Perl Adrian Fischer wrote: > > Heres my question for the day...Is it possible to send html formatted email > from within a perl/mysql dirven program? Putting the html into the script > itself doesn't work. I think you need to have some sort of header > information telling it that its html? If so I don't know how or were. You need to format the email so that HTML compliant email readers know the HTML is embedded into the body of the message. There a a few places on the net that discuss formatting HTML email. I hope someone else provides the links - I never kept any of the ones tossed out here for previous responses to this question. A quick look at some of the spam I get, shows two ways to format the email. --------------------- End of message text -------------------- The principal place of business of PricewaterhouseCoopers and its associate partnerships is 1 Embankment Place, London WC2N 6NN where lists of the partners' names are available for inspection. All partners in the associate partnerships are authorised to conduct business as agents of, and all contracts for services to clients are with, PricewaterhouseCoopers. The UK firm of PricewaterhouseCoopers is authorised by the Institute of Chartered Accountants in England and Wales to carry on investment business. PricewaterhouseCoopers is a member of the world-wide PricewaterhouseCoopers organisation. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From roselli at earthlink.net Thu Nov 9 11:34:00 2000 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Thu Nov 9 11:34:00 2000 Subject: [thelist] idealab is cool... Message-ID: <200011091733.eA9HXxh25007@farmer.oracular.com> "IdeaLab Needs New Ideas" "Idealab has been hailed for its insight and success in birthing Internet companies. Times are changing. "Two of its incubatees, Scout Electromedia, which produced the Modo wireless handheld devices and the accompanying Modo.net city guide service, and Eve.com, a beauty website, shut down at the end of October, both for lack of funding. Eve.com ran for almost a year and a half. Scout Electromedia shut down only months after releasing its first handheld devices. "Since then, WeddingChannel.com, a marketplace for wedding planning, lost its CEO, Rebecca Patton. Patton was CEO of DellaWeddings, which merged with WeddingChannel last spring. Three members of her executive team resigned with her. "Z.com, an entertainment site, laid off half of its staff of 100 earlier in October, when it was unable to turn a profit. Web marketing network FirstLook.com laid off 34 of its 100 employees after an unsuccessful shift from the B-to-C to B- to-B market. "Most recently, last Monday Frontera Corp, which has changed its name from HomePage.com, laid off 30 out of 105 employees.--Jill Morneau, TechWeb News" http://www.internetweek.com/story/INW20001107S000 2 also... http://fuckedcompany.com/idealab.html and i'm sure everyone's heard about pets.com, even trying to sell their sock puppet... From bobd at members.evolt.org Thu Nov 9 11:36:05 2000 From: bobd at members.evolt.org (Bob Davis) Date: Thu Nov 9 11:36:05 2000 Subject: [thelist] JSP or PHP web mail Message-ID: I'm trying to find a web mail implementation in either PHP or JSP that I can set up on our server that will allow us to check and send mail from a web page. Ideally, it would know IMAP and LDAP. Any ideas on where I might find such a thing? I'd rather have a JSP/Servlet based solution, but PHP will do. Either way I have to (get to) learn a bunch of new stuff. TIA bob -- bob davis bobd at members.evolt.org From sam at sam-i-am.com Thu Nov 9 11:51:07 2000 From: sam at sam-i-am.com (Sam-I-Am) Date: Thu Nov 9 11:51:07 2000 Subject: [thelist] When life and coding are incompatible...? References: <20001109125142.16637.qmail@web3905.mail.yahoo.com> <3A0AD5E0.819AB492@acu.ac.uk> Message-ID: <3A0AE395.68062F60@sam-i-am.com> Katherine Spice wrote: > > Hi Ben, .. great post. I had similar advice once from my dad, when I was in the middle of a spectacular and never-to-be repeated 120 hour week crunch. He said: step outside and walk around a bit. See those things with heads and 2 legs? they're people. Talk to them. Katherine - could you wrap your post in a tip tag for the harvester? Sam From sam at sam-i-am.com Thu Nov 9 11:56:41 2000 From: sam at sam-i-am.com (Sam-I-Am) Date: Thu Nov 9 11:56:41 2000 Subject: [thelist] AOL References: <3A09C9EE.24374.1C5AF404@localhost> Message-ID: <3A0AE4E6.3168FDB4@sam-i-am.com> agreed to all of this, but short of rumaging through the trash, I have no way of getting hold of the older versions of the software if I do need to test. > - you really can't use it without signing up to AOL, so it seems > kinda pointless... We have an office account we use just for testing. As should we all IMO. > - personally, i don't even want to endorse AOL, but that's not a > factor here... > - we already know the rendering engines for each version, so it > might be easier to grab the appropriate IE anyway... So maybe the aol section doesn't provide downloads, but just crosslinks to those IE versions? Whatever works > - you can't truly get the AOL experience without using their > proxies... so the browser is only part of it... you need to test the IP > re-allocations, the image compressions, etc... But you still have to get the browser from somewhere to begin this process. anyhow, I still think it would be useful. It's ultimately up to you... sam From stef at nota-bene.org Thu Nov 9 11:59:58 2000 From: stef at nota-bene.org (s t e f) Date: Thu Nov 9 11:59:58 2000 Subject: [thelist] JSP or PHP web mail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20001109190621.009dd160@mail.nota-bene.org> [sender: Bob Davis || date: 12:36 09/11/2000 -0500] >I'm trying to find a web mail implementation in either PHP or JSP that I can >set up on our server that will allow us to check and send mail from a web >page. Ideally, it would know IMAP and LDAP. > >Any ideas on where I might find such a thing? I'd rather have a JSP/Servlet >based solution, but PHP will do. Either way I have to (get to) learn a >bunch of new stuff. Freshmeat.net will do the trick :-) From bobd at members.evolt.org Thu Nov 9 12:11:40 2000 From: bobd at members.evolt.org (Bob Davis) Date: Thu Nov 9 12:11:40 2000 Subject: [thelist] JSP or PHP web mail In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.0.20001109190621.009dd160@mail.nota-bene.org> Message-ID: on 11/9/00 1:06 PM, s t e f at stef at nota-bene.org wrote: > > Freshmeat.net will do the trick :-) Awesome resource - Thanks. I can't believe I never went through this site before! I bet I'll find it here. bob -- bob davis bobd at members.evolt.org From a.r.mccoy at larc.nasa.gov Thu Nov 9 12:28:27 2000 From: a.r.mccoy at larc.nasa.gov (Alan McCoy) Date: Thu Nov 9 12:28:27 2000 Subject: [thelist] JSP or PHP web mail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Aeromail is about the slickest webmail system I've seen on Freshmeat so far. Uses IMAP & PHP(3 or 4). http://the.cushman.net/reverb/aeromail/ Alan > I'm trying to find a web mail implementation in either PHP or JSP > that I can > set up on our server that will allow us to check and send mail from a web > page. Ideally, it would know IMAP and LDAP. > > Any ideas on where I might find such a thing? I'd rather have a > JSP/Servlet > based solution, but PHP will do. Either way I have to (get to) learn a > bunch of new stuff. From aphelan at confederationc.on.ca Thu Nov 9 12:32:50 2000 From: aphelan at confederationc.on.ca (aphelan (Andrea Phelan)) Date: Thu Nov 9 12:32:50 2000 Subject: [thelist] Starting a Webusiness Message-ID: I have been working in web development for about 6 years in contract, freelance, corporate and educational design. I'm about to begin the process of starting my own company, and I was wondering if anyone out there had any tips and tricks they may have picked up along the way that would be useful. Thanks! Annie From BillyH at phx.effectnet.net Thu Nov 9 12:36:37 2000 From: BillyH at phx.effectnet.net (Billy Hutton) Date: Thu Nov 9 12:36:37 2000 Subject: [thelist] Penalties Message-ID: <71CDFFA73DA9D311AE2B0050DA7142D624B843@ATHM-209-219-xxx-25.home.net> When my business got big enough to require contracts for each site we did, we did put in a clause regarding penalties for our customer failing to deliver content, or any other material required by us for site development. Most customers had a problem with it, and would ask us why it was there. That gave us the chance to tell them how important their deliverables were to us for meeting their deadlines. We also had a clause that released us from our deadlines if the customers deliverables slipped. - Billy From BillyH at phx.effectnet.net Thu Nov 9 12:44:43 2000 From: BillyH at phx.effectnet.net (Billy Hutton) Date: Thu Nov 9 12:44:43 2000 Subject: [thelist] Starting a Webusiness Message-ID: <71CDFFA73DA9D311AE2B0050DA7142D624B844@ATHM-209-219-xxx-25.home.net> My biggest tip is more of a warning, but it might be something to think about. I had a successful web / consulting business that I ran out of my home for close to three years. This meant I didn't have a professional office space to meet with clients, so I always went on-site, or did lunch meetings. When I opened an office, I never saw a penny of the money we made. Definitely sit down and write a business plan, then write a budget to get your business plan off the ground. - Billy From bobd at members.evolt.org Thu Nov 9 12:46:47 2000 From: bobd at members.evolt.org (Bob Davis) Date: Thu Nov 9 12:46:47 2000 Subject: [thelist] JSP or PHP web mail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: on 11/9/00 1:29 PM, Alan McCoy at a.r.mccoy at larc.nasa.gov wrote: > Aeromail is about the slickest webmail system I've seen on Freshmeat so far. > Uses IMAP & PHP(3 or 4). > > http://the.cushman.net/reverb/aeromail/ I'm looking hard at that one and this one: http://freshmeat.net/projects/webmail/?highlight=java+mail We have a lot of Java expertise in house, but no PHP expertise, so I'm kind of leaning toward the Java solution. PHP looks kind of neat though. Does anyone have an opinion on PHP vs. JSP/Servlets? bob -- bob davis bobd at members.evolt.org From joelf at dmv.com Thu Nov 9 12:53:28 2000 From: joelf at dmv.com (Joel Firestone) Date: Thu Nov 9 12:53:28 2000 Subject: [thelist] Select problem on Mac in NN References: <3a0ac316$1@fuseware.com> <5.0.0.25.0.20001109105250.02356190@pop.oven.com> Message-ID: <3a0af14d$1@fuseware.com> Seb: Thanks. That was the first thing I tried. But thanks for the suggestion. : ) Joel : The only thing I could suggest without seeing the source would be to make : sure that each closing tag. Browsers don't : require this as far as I know (I've seen many pages that don't have them : and work fine), but it's good practice to include it. From roselli at earthlink.net Thu Nov 9 12:55:28 2000 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Thu Nov 9 12:55:28 2000 Subject: [thelist] Starting a Webusiness In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200011091855.eA9ItQh26562@farmer.oracular.com> > From: "aphelan (Andrea Phelan)" > > I have been working in web development for about 6 years in contract, > freelance, corporate and educational design. > I'm about to begin the process of starting my own company, and I was > wondering if anyone out there had any tips and tricks they may have picked > up along the way that would be useful. talk to an accountant before a lawyer... do business under your own name, as a dba (doing business as), and consider incorporating a business as your name (make taxes easier to be a corporation of some sort, makes it easy to do biz as yourself, but still have legal protection as a business)... other stuff... From twebb at dynamicinst.com Thu Nov 9 15:13:11 2000 From: twebb at dynamicinst.com (Tom Webb) Date: Thu Nov 9 15:13:11 2000 Subject: [thelist] Starting a Webusiness In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20001109131239.00955f00@mailserver> I have started few companies. Get in touch with an Attorney and CPA first before you do anything. This is especially important so that you can determine which kind of business you want to be, Sole Proprietorship, Limited or General Partnership, Corporation, Etc. There are federal, state and county documents to submit and your CPA and Attorney can inform you of what these are. The US Small Business Administration has a lot of resources for starting a small business, do's and don'ts etc. Check their web site. Tom Webb At 01:33 PM 11/9/00 -0500, you wrote: >I have been working in web development for about 6 years in contract, >freelance, corporate and educational design. >I'm about to begin the process of starting my own company, and I was >wondering if anyone out there had any tips and tricks they may have picked >up along the way that would be useful. > >Thanks! > >Annie > >--------------------------------------- >For unsubscribe and other options, including >the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: >http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From jdowdell at macromedia.com Thu Nov 9 15:18:22 2000 From: jdowdell at macromedia.com (John Dowdell) Date: Thu Nov 9 15:18:22 2000 Subject: [thelist] LiveConnect question Message-ID: At 1:31 PM 11/8/0, Peter Barrett wrote: > I was wondering if anyone had found a way around the Mac/IE > problem with Liveconnect Sorry, no... IE/Mac doesn't offer a way for its scripts to talk with objects in its pages. Sidenotes: -- LiveConnect is Netscape's pioneering way of doing this, requiring Java, and supported in 3.0 versions or greater. -- IE3/Win was the first Microsoft browser to support a *parallel* ability, where VBScript could talk with ActiveX Controls. -- IE5/Mac is the first IE/Mac that lets JScript query which plugins are installed, but this is different than sending or receiving messages between JScript and plugins. -- Some IE/Mac versions can support "javascript:" style pseudo-URLs from plugins, but not all versions do... spotty. (They all support such URLs from the HTML page itself... it's from objects in the page where support is catch-as-catch can.) -- If you're trying to communicate with a Java applet, then last time I checked IE/Win could talk to applets, but would only hear events from ActiveX Controls... MS docs used to recommend recompiling the Java applet as a COM ActiveX Control, which sorta missed the point.... ;-) (This may have changed in recent versions without my knowledge... hard to find this info either way, considering that Java VMs are often large plugins now.) -- The Mozilla project overhauls Netscape's original LiveConnect method, and plugins will need to be recompiled for these new environments once released. jd John Dowdell, Macromedia Tech Support, San Francisco CA US Search technotes: http://www.macromedia.com/support/search/ Offlist email risks capture by the spam filters. I may not see your email if it's not on the list. Private one-on-one email options are available via Priority Access: http://www.macromedia.com/support/ From seb at admin.evolt.org Thu Nov 9 15:33:23 2000 From: seb at admin.evolt.org (Seb) Date: Thu Nov 9 15:33:23 2000 Subject: [thelist] Is this spam or not? References: <80256992.0056C6FB.00@uk-emamta003.ema.pwcinternal.com> Message-ID: <013901c04a94$bba71b40$ac32a8c0@issntdev57> George (and all other Europeans out there), You might be interested to know that the EU's Data Protection Working Group is currently considering proposals to make sending of unsolicited email an illegal activity within the EU. The Register has a good article (http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/1/14588.html) on this, with relevant links. What's good about this is that it would make it a crime to send Spam to an EU citizen, regardless of the source. Seb. From carleen.tracy at b3interactive.com Thu Nov 9 15:54:26 2000 From: carleen.tracy at b3interactive.com (Carleen Tracy) Date: Thu Nov 9 15:54:26 2000 Subject: [thelist] CSS/Font size/MAC IE 5.0 In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20001109131239.00955f00@mailserver> Message-ID: <003f01c04a9a$50fe5c80$a401410a@tracyc> Hello All, having a problem with font size on a MAC IE 5.0 browser. In the style sheet the font is set to a fixed size (9pt) but on this browser only the font is increasable through the 'text zoom' command. Why is this? The fonts don't increase on any other browser or platform. thanks carleen From madstone at madstone.net Thu Nov 9 15:56:26 2000 From: madstone at madstone.net (Jorah Lavin) Date: Thu Nov 9 15:56:26 2000 Subject: [thelist] Intranet: your 10 critical questions Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20001109164645.00a00bd0@madstone.net> Gang I work as an intranet consultant inside a fairly large corporation (72,000 employees) We are going through a cost-cutting period and one of the "belt tightening" rules is... no more paper newsletters inside the company. I'm expecting a sharp rise in the number of groups coming to my team for intranet sites or help switching from paper to PDF format newsletters. Tonight I'm writing a one or two page document to use as a "cheat sheet" so when I go into meetings with new internal clients to discuss their ideas for an intranet site, I don't miss any key ideas. Just for thoroughness, I'd like your ideas for your "Top (N) Critical Questions to Ask New Clients" {where N is any small number} 1) Some people will be coming to me who have no site yet. 2) Some will have a site, but it won't be working right or isn't meeting their team's needs. 3) Some will have a working site, and will be looking for a visual "sprucing up." 4) Some will _think_ they need a site, but will actually need PDFs or other electronic outlets (for instance, Lotus Notes, or other email) 5) Some won't actually need my services, but may in the future. I've got a bunch of ideas myself, but I suspect I've got blind spots from working alone for so long. Thanks in advance... =Jorah -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- "Okay, move along folks... nothing to see here." http://www.madstone.net/ From Robert.Brown at lot21.com Thu Nov 9 16:00:12 2000 From: Robert.Brown at lot21.com (Brown, Robert) Date: Thu Nov 9 16:00:12 2000 Subject: [thelist] CSS/Font size/MAC IE 5.0 Message-ID: because its set to an absolute size, only fonts set in percentages can be modified through the browser on pre 5.0 -----Original Message----- From: Carleen Tracy [mailto:carleen.tracy at b3interactive.com] Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 2:14 PM To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: [thelist] CSS/Font size/MAC IE 5.0 Hello All, having a problem with font size on a MAC IE 5.0 browser. In the style sheet the font is set to a fixed size (9pt) but on this browser only the font is increasable through the 'text zoom' command. Why is this? The fonts don't increase on any other browser or platform. thanks carleen --------------------------------------- For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From v7ac at sdsumus.sdstate.edu Thu Nov 9 16:09:28 2000 From: v7ac at sdsumus.sdstate.edu (Minh Lee Goon) Date: Thu Nov 9 16:09:28 2000 Subject: [thelist] CF FTP displaying entire path Message-ID: <3A0B20FC.3AE8F407@sdsumus.sdstate.edu> I was looking through the advanced CF book by Ben Forta for CF FTP examples and noticed that when he did this (p. 500): FTP Directory Listing of #cfftp.returnvalue#.

the results he got were: FTP Directory Listing of /. When I try that, my #cfftp.returnvalue# is /c:/some/path/ Has anyone been able to successfully write an FTP application with cfftp? I'd like a little help if possible. The FTP server is Serv-U, if that matters. From carleen.tracy at b3interactive.com Thu Nov 9 16:10:45 2000 From: carleen.tracy at b3interactive.com (Carleen Tracy) Date: Thu Nov 9 16:10:45 2000 Subject: [thelist] Intranet: your 10 critical questions In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.0.20001109164645.00a00bd0@madstone.net> Message-ID: <004001c04a9c$aff4bf20$a401410a@tracyc> Jorah, no doubt my #1 question is 'What is your objective'. If my clients cannot tell me resoundly what it is they need to accomplish, there's almost no way for me to develop a successful product for them. I make sure they are able to answer without hesitation and if they can's I have them go away until they can. >From that objective statement I/we formulate goals which help us measure the succes of the project. This is handy becasue it easily can become the bible when scope-creep begins to happen (ugh!). The absolute #2 question is 'Who is the target audience'. Not knowing your role on the projects, this may be for a project manager, but a helpful exercise is to develop personas of who you're targeting. We interview the users (who have problems-but definetly not solutions, that's our job). One primary persona which requires every one of their needs be met and 2-3 cast of characters. When the people on your team start asking questions like...'what if someone wants to [insert task]. You and your project managers/engineers/designers can say, without hesitation, Tom [the primary persona] doesn't need to do that so it's not in this version. Hope that helps some Carleen > -----Original Message----- > From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org > [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Jorah Lavin > Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 4:55 PM > To: thelist at lists.evolt.org > Subject: [thelist] Intranet: your 10 critical questions > > > Gang > > I work as an intranet consultant inside a fairly large > corporation (72,000 > employees) We are going through a cost-cutting period and one of > the "belt > tightening" rules is... no more paper newsletters inside the > company. I'm > expecting a sharp rise in the number of groups coming to my team for > intranet sites or help switching from paper to PDF format newsletters. > > Tonight I'm writing a one or two page document to use as a "cheat > sheet" so > when I go into meetings with new internal clients to discuss their ideas > for an intranet site, I don't miss any key ideas. > > Just for thoroughness, I'd like your ideas for your "Top (N) Critical > Questions to Ask New Clients" {where N is any small number} > > 1) Some people will be coming to me who have no site yet. > 2) Some will have a site, but it won't be working right or isn't > meeting their team's needs. > 3) Some will have a working site, and will be looking for a visual > "sprucing up." > 4) Some will _think_ they need a site, but will actually > need PDFs or > other electronic outlets (for instance, Lotus Notes, or other email) > 5) Some won't actually need my services, but may in the future. > > I've got a bunch of ideas myself, but I suspect I've got blind spots from > working alone for so long. > > Thanks in advance... > > =Jorah > > > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > "Okay, move along folks... nothing to see here." > http://www.madstone.net/ > > > --------------------------------------- > For unsubscribe and other options, including > the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: > http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From carleen.tracy at b3interactive.com Thu Nov 9 16:12:32 2000 From: carleen.tracy at b3interactive.com (Carleen Tracy) Date: Thu Nov 9 16:12:32 2000 Subject: [thelist] CSS/Font size/MAC IE 5.0 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <004101c04a9c$effe06d0$a401410a@tracyc> Thanks Robert, I forgot to mention that I don't want this font resizing. My problem is that it is. Aren't fixed sizes suposed to not resize? It works (not resizing) in every browser from 4.0 up except MAC IE 5.0. what gives? > -----Original Message----- > From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org > [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Brown, Robert > Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 4:55 PM > To: 'thelist at lists.evolt.org' > Subject: RE: [thelist] CSS/Font size/MAC IE 5.0 > > > because its set to an absolute size, only fonts set in percentages can be > modified through the browser on pre 5.0 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carleen Tracy [mailto:carleen.tracy at b3interactive.com] > Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 2:14 PM > To: thelist at lists.evolt.org > Subject: [thelist] CSS/Font size/MAC IE 5.0 > > > Hello All, > having a problem with font size on a MAC IE 5.0 browser. In the > style sheet > the font is set to a fixed size (9pt) but on this browser only the font is > increasable through the 'text zoom' command. > Why is this? The fonts don't increase on any other browser or platform. > > thanks > carleen > > > --------------------------------------- > For unsubscribe and other options, including > the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: > http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! > > --------------------------------------- > For unsubscribe and other options, including > the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: > http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From bobd at members.evolt.org Thu Nov 9 16:37:24 2000 From: bobd at members.evolt.org (Bob Davis) Date: Thu Nov 9 16:37:24 2000 Subject: [thelist] CSS/Font size/MAC IE 5.0 In-Reply-To: <004101c04a9c$effe06d0$a401410a@tracyc> Message-ID: on 11/9/00 5:32 PM, Carleen Tracy at carleen.tracy at b3interactive.com wrote: > Thanks Robert, > I forgot to mention that I don't want this font resizing. My problem is that > it is. Aren't fixed sizes suposed to not resize? It works (not resizing) in > every browser from 4.0 up except MAC IE 5.0. what gives? Font display on different browsers can be a problem - because they are all so different. In addition to the font-resizing issue that you point out, you have to remember that Mac IE 5 users also get to specify the resolution they want things to display in (you choose either Mac standard 72dpi or leave it at the windows standard 96dpi or change it to something random if you really want to). The point is that there's no way to make sure that your carefully chosen font sizes are going to look the same on my screen as on yours. I can make choices that will destroy your layout. I can link in stupid style sheets, I can over-ride your decisions, I can make your really pretty page as ugly as I want to (on my machine, that is...). What is there to do about it? Not a lot. http://www.alistapart.org/stories/fear4/index.html For some reason, their server is currently requesting passwords, but when they get that resolved I suggest you read this article. It's really good. You might also look up the ALA article entitled :"The Tao of Web Design" (can't get at the site right now, as I mentioned above, or I'd send you a link to it). In short, there are a lot of good arguments for letting your users decide what font size they want to view your site at. I, for one, use the font resizing ability of IE 5 all the time (too many developers on Windows choose fonts that are useless on a Macintosh). Flexibility is a good thing. bob -- bob davis bobd at members.evolt.org From v7ac at sdsumus.sdstate.edu Thu Nov 9 16:50:25 2000 From: v7ac at sdsumus.sdstate.edu (Minh Lee Goon) Date: Thu Nov 9 16:50:25 2000 Subject: [thelist] Simple Apache question Message-ID: <3A0B2A9D.6C90E015@sdsumus.sdstate.edu> If a directory doesn't contain an index.html file, the browser will automatically display the contents of that directory when the url is just plain http://blah/path/ How do I disable this option so that the contents of the directory are not revealed? Thanks a bunch! From meyer at up.edu Thu Nov 9 17:00:57 2000 From: meyer at up.edu (Erika Meyer) Date: Thu Nov 9 17:00:57 2000 Subject: [thelist] CSS/Font size/MAC IE 5.0 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >What is there to do about it? Not a lot. > >http://www.alistapart.org/stories/fear4/index.html > >For some reason, their server is currently requesting passwords, but when >they get that resolved I suggest you read this article. It's really good. .com http://www.alistapart.com/ /etc.. Erika From carleen.tracy at b3interactive.com Thu Nov 9 17:05:04 2000 From: carleen.tracy at b3interactive.com (Carleen Tracy) Date: Thu Nov 9 17:05:04 2000 Subject: [thelist] CSS/Font size/MAC IE 5.0 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c04aa4$488b13e0$a401410a@tracyc> thanks erika for the links but can't get in...password problems still. > -----Original Message----- > From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org > [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Erika Meyer > Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 6:01 PM > To: thelist at lists.evolt.org > Subject: Re: [thelist] CSS/Font size/MAC IE 5.0 > > > >What is there to do about it? Not a lot. > > > >http://www.alistapart.org/stories/fear4/index.html > > > >For some reason, their server is currently requesting passwords, but when > >they get that resolved I suggest you read this article. It's really good. > > .com > > http://www.alistapart.com/ > > /etc.. > > Erika > > --------------------------------------- > For unsubscribe and other options, including > the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: > http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From bobd at members.evolt.org Thu Nov 9 17:11:09 2000 From: bobd at members.evolt.org (Bob Davis) Date: Thu Nov 9 17:11:09 2000 Subject: [thelist] CSS/Font size/MAC IE 5.0 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: on 11/9/00 6:00 PM, Erika Meyer at meyer at up.edu wrote: >> http://www.alistapart.org/stories/fear4/index.html >> >> For some reason, their server is currently requesting passwords, but when >> they get that resolved I suggest you read this article. It's really good. > > .com > > http://www.alistapart.com/ > > /etc.. > > Erika They both resolve to the same IP (209.115.232.136). Both give the same thing. I was at the URI I cited above just two days ago. I found the other article I was looking for too : http://www.alistapart.com/stories/dao/ bob -- bob davis bobd at members.evolt.org From tbounds at gci.net Thu Nov 9 17:45:57 2000 From: tbounds at gci.net (Tony Bounds) Date: Thu Nov 9 17:45:57 2000 Subject: [thelist] Simple Apache question In-Reply-To: <3A0B2A9D.6C90E015@sdsumus.sdstate.edu> Message-ID: on 11/9/00 1:52 PM, Minh Lee Goon at v7ac at sdsumus.sdstate.edu wrote: > If a directory doesn't contain an index.html file, the browser will > automatically display the contents of that directory when the url is > just plain http://blah/path/ > > How do I disable this option so that the contents of the directory are > not revealed? Put in a dummy index.html file with a redirect to the real index.html file if you want. -- Tony From tbounds at gci.net Thu Nov 9 17:46:58 2000 From: tbounds at gci.net (Tony Bounds) Date: Thu Nov 9 17:46:58 2000 Subject: [thelist] Is this spam or not? In-Reply-To: <013901c04a94$bba71b40$ac32a8c0@issntdev57> Message-ID: on 11/9/00 12:33 PM, Seb at seb at admin.evolt.org wrote: > What's good about this is that it would make it a crime to send Spam to an > EU citizen, regardless of the source. That may be but how in the hell are they going to enforce their laws on countries that aren't a part of the EU? -- Tony From keni at barwick.net Thu Nov 9 17:48:28 2000 From: keni at barwick.net (Keni Barwick) Date: Thu Nov 9 17:48:28 2000 Subject: [thelist] Scheme References: <000001c04aa4$488b13e0$a401410a@tracyc> Message-ID: <005801c04aa7$991bbe60$192430d5@rosiemead> Sorry if this is of topic, but I was talking to someone the other day about Web languages/technologys, and they started talking about Scheme, what the hell is that!!! Does anyone here know, something to do with Lisp??? (Still another term I am not sure about!!) God, I feel a real novice now. Keni From Anthony at Baratta.com Thu Nov 9 18:23:42 2000 From: Anthony at Baratta.com (Anthony Baratta) Date: Thu Nov 9 18:23:42 2000 Subject: [thelist] Simple Apache question References: <3A0B2A9D.6C90E015@sdsumus.sdstate.edu> Message-ID: <3A0B3C90.38C4B52A@Baratta.com> Minh Lee Goon wrote: > > If a directory doesn't contain an index.html file, the browser will > automatically display the contents of that directory when the url is > just plain http://blah/path/ > > How do I disable this option so that the contents of the directory are > not revealed? Create a .htacess file in the directory in question (or in your web root directory). Put the statement below in the .htaccess file: Options -Indexes -- Anthony Baratta President KeyBoard Jockeys South Park Speaks Version 3 is here!!! http://www.baratta.com/southpark Powered by Tsunami From tbounds at gci.net Thu Nov 9 18:35:34 2000 From: tbounds at gci.net (Tony Bounds) Date: Thu Nov 9 18:35:34 2000 Subject: [thelist] Simple Apache question In-Reply-To: <3A0B3C90.38C4B52A@Baratta.com> Message-ID: on 11/9/00 3:08 PM, Anthony Baratta at Anthony at Baratta.com wrote: > Create a .htacess file in the directory in question (or in your web root > directory). > Put the statement below in the .htaccess file: > > Options -Indexes Hey, I didn't know that. Thats kool! Would a plain text file named index.htacess work? -- Tony From ashcraft at 13monkeys.com Thu Nov 9 18:55:45 2000 From: ashcraft at 13monkeys.com (Jeremy Ashcraft) Date: Thu Nov 9 18:55:45 2000 Subject: [thelist] Scheme References: <000001c04aa4$488b13e0$a401410a@tracyc> <005801c04aa7$991bbe60$192430d5@rosiemead> Message-ID: <005101c04ab1$6454cdc0$38d659d8@KENNY> > Sorry if this is of topic, but I was talking to someone the other day about > Web languages/technologys, and they started talking about Scheme, what the > hell is that!!! Scheme is just another old programming language. I had a class a couple of years ago where we had to do projects in different languages and Scheme was one of them. My advice to you is to forget you ever heard of it. Its a nightmare to code in, unless modern programing languages bore you. > Does anyone here know, something to do with Lisp??? (Still another term I am > not sure about!!) I think Scheme is a variant of Lisp or the other way around. Either way, its a bigger pain than Scheme. You will go into convulsions due to the shere number of parenths() required to code in that language......(if(this)then(this var (foo (bar)))) ick!!! jeremy hubris = excessive pride something every developer should have in their work. if you can't take pride in your code, then why bother? From Anthony at Baratta.com Thu Nov 9 19:40:23 2000 From: Anthony at Baratta.com (Anthony Baratta) Date: Thu Nov 9 19:40:23 2000 Subject: [thelist] Simple Apache question References: Message-ID: <3A0B4EEF.8F8F2818@Baratta.com> Tony Bounds wrote: > > on 11/9/00 3:08 PM, Anthony Baratta at Anthony at Baratta.com wrote: > > > Create a .htacess file in the directory in question (or in your web root > > directory). > > Put the statement below in the .htaccess file: > > > > Options -Indexes First - I made a typo. The file should be called .htaccess (with 2 c's) Second - You configure Apache on a site/directory basis by using the .htaccess file. Making the file name index.htaccess will give you any advantage - it just won't work. -- Anthony Baratta President KeyBoard Jockeys South Park Speaks Version 3 is here!!! http://www.baratta.com/southpark Powered by Tsunami From cvos at yahoo.com Thu Nov 9 22:04:34 2000 From: cvos at yahoo.com (cayley vos) Date: Thu Nov 9 22:04:34 2000 Subject: [thelist] emailing text in the BODY of a message Message-ID: <20001110040450.13791.qmail@web618.mail.yahoo.com> Greetings! I have a link that I would like to use to email the text of a press release to a customer, with the customer merely having to click on the link to have that document mailed to them. here is the page (its in flash) http://www.monster-media.com/press.html the button that looks like an envelope is the one we want to use for this. I can write in asp and use a cgi bin. Im thinking of using formmail to pre-process the mail. thanks, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From mwarden at odyssey-design.com Thu Nov 9 22:18:17 2000 From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Thu Nov 9 22:18:17 2000 Subject: [thelist] Ecom.: Order Info: One or Many Pages? References: Message-ID: <019001c04acd$393687c0$5d7b5acf@mwardenlaptop> > [tip author="rudy"] > Best Practices for Designing Shopping Cart and Checkout Interfaces > http://www.dack.com/web/shopping_cart.html > [/tip] I finally got some time to really read this. Hmmmm... I really don't think I agree with this: Mailing Address and Phone Number Ship-to Address Request Shipping Method Request Payment Method This list is the information required by all e-retailers in order to complete an online transaction. They are listed together because, in a well-designed checkout process, they should be asked together. Some e-retailers, such as eToys, make the mistake of creating individual web pages for many of the required elements. Grouping these elements together on a single, well-designed page is the best practice for the following reasons: 1. Speed A lone trip to the web server is made when the required elements are grouped together on a single page. When separated on individual pages the system requires several roundtrip visits to the server, and these back-and-forth trips increase transaction time. 2. User Dropout Avoidance The more steps involved in a process, the more likely users are to drop out before successful completion... 3. Scrolling is OK... Speed? Hmmm... I don't think that's a very good argument. A user is quite lucky if he/she makes zero input errors on the form. If you have one long form for order information, that means that, for every input error and user change, the entire form has to reload, rather than just the form for that bit of information. User dropout avoidance? Maybe. I guess it lessens the number of requests on the server and, because of that, speeds up the response time, but most of that argument is killed by my above point. Personally, I get more frustrated when I see a huge form asking for all kinds of information than I do when I go through a step process. HOWEVER, I almost *always* leave a site before finishing if the step I'm currently on isn't highlighted in some sort of process map: Checkout: Customer Info Shipping Info [Billing Info] Preview so that I know how much more I have to go through to get to what I want. What about y'all? Thoughts? -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From mwarden at odyssey-design.com Thu Nov 9 22:20:09 2000 From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Thu Nov 9 22:20:09 2000 Subject: [thelist] emailing text in the BODY of a message References: <20001110040450.13791.qmail@web618.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <019601c04acd$7f34ed20$5d7b5acf@mwardenlaptop> > Greetings! I have a link that I would like to use to > email the text of a press release to a customer, with > the customer merely having to click on the link to > have that document mailed to them. here is the page > (its in flash) > http://www.monster-media.com/press.html > the button that looks like an envelope is the one we > want to use for this. I can write in asp and use a > cgi bin. Im thinking of using formmail to pre-process > the mail. What's your question? How can you use formmail? How to retrieve the press release text? Try to get your question cleared up ASAP so there aren't 5 people asking what your question is. later, -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From adrian at logo-logic.com Thu Nov 9 23:14:49 2000 From: adrian at logo-logic.com (Adrian Fischer) Date: Thu Nov 9 23:14:49 2000 Subject: [thelist] mysql to word?? Message-ID: <000901c04ad5$27ccda40$d6b32dcb@qld.bigpond.net.au> Hi Gang, Firstly a big thanks to all who have helped me over the last week (its Friday already here). I owe a bazillion tips by now and if I ever feel that I have something to offer, instead of taking, I will. I am still working on extracting the mail out of my .mail file and trying to get my little program to do things dependant on what it finds in there...its all a matter of time. However...today I thought it might be handy to be able to extract names and address out of my mysql db(remotely hosted) and insert them directly into a mail merge letter on my pc. Or can I dump the data and structure and insert it directly into an Access db and then merge from there or can I....... Thanks again. Adrian Fischer Brisbane Australia Hey, I just thought of a tip... Don't get your ambitions mixed up with your capabilities From roselli at earthlink.net Fri Nov 10 00:12:23 2000 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Fri Nov 10 00:12:23 2000 Subject: [thelist] Ecom.: Order Info: One or Many Pages? In-Reply-To: <019001c04acd$393687c0$5d7b5acf@mwardenlaptop> Message-ID: <3A0B492F.19855.2234450A@localhost> > From: "Warden, Matt" > > Speed? Hmmm... I don't think that's a very good argument. A user is quite > lucky if he/she makes zero input errors on the form. If you have one long form > for order information, that means that, for every input error and user change, > the entire form has to reload, rather than just the form for that bit of > information. i agree with you completely... user testing on *many* ecommerce sites showed me that people always screw stuff up... i also found that people don't want to enter all their information, especially CC info, on a single-page form without an idea of how it will respond... steps before that can establish how errors are handled, and capture appropriate information to provide accurate quotes for shipping and tax... as for user dropout, i never saw that as an issue... we didn't have people dropping out due to multi-page forms... [...] > through a step process. HOWEVER, I almost *always* leave a site before > finishing if the step I'm currently on isn't highlighted in some sort of > process map: > > Checkout: Customer Info Shipping Info [Billing Info] Preview > > so that I know how much more I have to go through to get to what I want. that's what i do... Shopping cart --> Billing info --> Shipping info --> Credit card info --> Verification page --> Receipt, with email receipt to follow... i always try to tell the user where he/she is, at least by step number of the total steps... i also explain it all up-front whenever possible... i'm also a stickler for buttons that have iconography to indicate the purpose, as well as descriptive text... instead of telling a user there are errors, i also like to highlight problem fields... there are many of these little things that are often more important than concerns like extra trips to the server... and hey, don't forget your HTML4 form accessibility features... you can see a very low-budget one for a not-for-profit site that even integrates these features... no order site should be without some of these... http://herdaboutbuffalo.com/merchandise/ From Anthony at Baratta.com Fri Nov 10 00:14:44 2000 From: Anthony at Baratta.com (Anthony Baratta) Date: Fri Nov 10 00:14:44 2000 Subject: [thelist] mysql to word?? References: <000901c04ad5$27ccda40$d6b32dcb@qld.bigpond.net.au> Message-ID: <3A0B908C.36D9B9AF@Baratta.com> Adrian Fischer wrote: > > However...today I thought it might be handy to be able to extract names and > address out of my mysql db(remotely hosted) and insert them directly into a > mail merge letter on my pc. Or can I dump the data and structure and insert > it directly into an Access db and then merge from there or can I....... > Happy Friday.... Get myODBC and do the mail merge with a direct link to the mySQL Database. (If you are using MS WOrd or another app that can use ODBC links to a remote database.) -- Anthony Baratta President KeyBoard Jockeys South Park Speaks Version 3 is here!!! http://www.baratta.com/southpark Powered by Tsunami From lisa at koolfish.com Fri Nov 10 02:47:51 2000 From: lisa at koolfish.com (Lisa Bartholomew) Date: Fri Nov 10 02:47:51 2000 Subject: [thelist] table cell alignment problem Message-ID: Hi, Please can someone take a look and help me to align three images. I have a table, I have left the border on so it is easier for you to see. On the right-hand side are 3 buttons. They should all join together but I can't for the life of me figure out what is wrong. I have cell heights in the cells and have aligned them top etc, but they won't budge. Don't waste your time on other comments, the site is not finished or formatted I am not looking for a site review just help with this alignment problem. see the problem page at http://www.koolfish.com/version2/index.html Thanks all Lisa. From comharsa at clara.net Fri Nov 10 03:00:50 2000 From: comharsa at clara.net (Comharsa) Date: Fri Nov 10 03:00:50 2000 Subject: [thelist] table cell alignment problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20001110085754.00a28ae0@relay.clara.net> At 08:54 10/11/00, Lisa Bartholomew found time to write: >Hi, Please can someone take a look and help me to align three images. >I have a table, I have left the border on so it is easier for you to see. >On the right-hand side are 3 buttons. They should all join together but I >can't for the life of me figure out what is wrong. I have cell heights in >the cells and have aligned them top etc, but they won't budge. Regardless of the cell heights you have set, if the the content of the main cell is long enough it will stretch those cells apart. One thing you could do is rowspan those three cells to a single cell then put the three images into a nested table in that cell. Brian comharsa at clara.net From joshua at alphashop.com Fri Nov 10 03:00:59 2000 From: joshua at alphashop.com (Joshua OIson) Date: Fri Nov 10 03:00:59 2000 Subject: [thelist] table cell alignment problem References: Message-ID: <001601c04af5$361e6b20$0300a8c0@alphashop.com> One thing to keep in mind is that Row Spanning and Column spanning is very difficult to predict, especially on the left and top. The results for other cells, spacing, height, width, etc are predictable, but you usually have to resort to a less than elogant solution to forcing things the way you want them--ie, use cell height and width of -1%, etc. Ug Your best bet may be to not row span on the main conent area and simply stack the buttons in the right column in a single cell, placing a
between each image. For additional security, you should also remove all whitespace around the images and links, etc. Hopefully this helps, -joshua From madstone at madstone.net Fri Nov 10 03:04:34 2000 From: madstone at madstone.net (Jorah Lavin) Date: Fri Nov 10 03:04:34 2000 Subject: [thelist] table cell alignment problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20001110035754.009ed540@madstone.net> At 03:54 AM 11/10/00, Lisa Bartholomew wrote: >Hi, Please can someone take a look and help me to align three images. > >On the right-hand side are 3 buttons. They should all join together but I >can't for the life of me figure out what is wrong. Lisa, I tried putting everything in the right-hand menu into a single cell, and it seemed to work. Didn't do any cross-anything testing, but it looked okay on my windows machine on IE. ====================

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================= HTH. -Jorah From cm at eviews.net Fri Nov 10 03:30:13 2000 From: cm at eviews.net (Craig McLaughlan) Date: Fri Nov 10 03:30:13 2000 Subject: [thelist] simple project proposal template Message-ID: <006a01c04af8$cfe96c20$3d3560d5@www.teleline.es> I'm trying to sell a project and have been asked to *put things in writing *. Essentially I'll be a temporary Project Manager. How temporary will depend pretty much on their deliverables. At this stage they have something very simple in mind but I can see this becoming a bigger project. I don't want to scare them off by saying this will take between 3 and 12 months, and I don't want to mislead them either. I'd really like to explain that I'll be working full-time on their project so delays will be mostly influenced by their input. Does anyone have a really (and I mean really) simple example of a 1 or 2 page proposal that I can use? Thanks From cvos at yahoo.com Fri Nov 10 03:38:14 2000 From: cvos at yahoo.com (cayley vos) Date: Fri Nov 10 03:38:14 2000 Subject: [thelist] email an article: was sending text in the body of an email Message-ID: <20001110093835.807.qmail@web614.mail.yahoo.com> In case this was confusing, my dilemma is simple: I need to be able to send a text article via email to a person just by clicking on a link. to pass info into the subject of an email, one creates the link mailto:me at myaddress.com?subject=blahbhah can this be used for the body of the email as well? thanks, Cayley Vos, 360.714.8395 office 360.223.7799 cell http://NetPaths.net _______________________________ web design | e-commerce | i-marketing __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From rob at bigbang.net.au Fri Nov 10 04:02:22 2000 From: rob at bigbang.net.au (Rob Keniger) Date: Fri Nov 10 04:02:22 2000 Subject: [thelist] email an article: was sending text in the body of an email In-Reply-To: <20001110093835.807.qmail@web614.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: on 11/10/00 7:38 PM, cayley vos at cvos at yahoo.com wrote: > In case this was confusing, my dilemma is simple: I > need to be able to send a text article via email to a > person just by clicking on a link. > to pass info into the subject of an email, one creates > the link mailto:me at myaddress.com?subject=blahbhah > > can this be used for the body of the email as well? Sure, but it depends on the email client. Outlook Express accepts at least: mailto:me at myaddress.com?subject=blahbhah&message=Hi%20There!%blah%20blah and mailto:me at myaddress.com?subject=blahbhah&body=Hi%20There!%blah%20blah Note that you must URL encode the spaces, symbols etc. -- Rob Keniger big bang solutions From stef at nota-bene.org Fri Nov 10 04:05:12 2000 From: stef at nota-bene.org (s t e f) Date: Fri Nov 10 04:05:12 2000 Subject: [thelist] Select problem on Mac in NN In-Reply-To: <3a0af14d$1@fuseware.com> References: <3a0ac316$1@fuseware.com> <5.0.0.25.0.20001109105250.02356190@pop.oven.com> Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20001110105224.009cc530@mail.nota-bene.org> [sender: Joel Firestone || date: 13:50 09/11/2000 -0500] >Seb: > >Thanks. That was the first thing I tried. But thanks for the suggestion. : ) Hey Joel, Here I got this flash of understanding: Put your select inside form tags. I had the problem once. HTH s t e f From Anthony at Baratta.com Fri Nov 10 04:45:01 2000 From: Anthony at Baratta.com (Anthony Baratta) Date: Fri Nov 10 04:45:01 2000 Subject: [thelist] Is this spam or not? References: <3B55A5A1F233D41183A800D0B74D4D5205E602@SBS> <003201c04a57$f4cd9da0$ecc82cc3@athlon800> Message-ID: <3A0AD5EB.C7E41EF@Baratta.com> George Dillon wrote: > > I received some Spam today which I consider Spam, but which bore the > following footnote: > > "Under Bill s.1618 Title III passed by 105th U. S. Congress this mail can > not be considered Spam as long as we include contact information > and a remove link for removal from our mailing list. To be removed from our > mailing list reply with remove in the subject heading. " US Civics 101: You can not be in compliance with a Bill. Bills are not laws, they are proposed laws, and if they are not signed by the end of the legislature session they expire and need to be re-introduced. This bill died in committee many years ago and is currently used as cover for this type of crap. I fact I think only the House of Representatives passed this Bill or it may only have been introduced. Therefore it could have not been passed by any Congress because both houses did not approve it. Did I say this was a load of crap?? -- Anthony Baratta President KeyBoard Jockeys South Park Speaks Version 3 is here!!! http://www.baratta.com/southpark Powered by Tsunami From david.braun at centralnet.ch Fri Nov 10 06:06:25 2000 From: david.braun at centralnet.ch (david braun) Date: Fri Nov 10 06:06:25 2000 Subject: [thelist] Penalties In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20001109084025.00e3abb0@mail.bayou.com> Message-ID: <20001110130648-r01010600-db6d5ca3@193.246.199.133> at our place, we use to tell the customers that deadlines are binded to on-time content-delivery (if applicable). same goes for penalties. (if we don't get the stuff in time, forget the deadlines...) if such a situation occurs, it is possible that we then halt the project and continue on other stuff, realigning the halted one in the project-queue... wich, of course, the customer doesn't like, but, hell, it's them who didn't respect the deadline-deal david Jamie Madden schrieb am 9.11.2000: > Is it common practice among developers to charge a client a penalty for the > late delivery of content if the date for that content delivery was > specifically stated in the contract? I'm having an incredibly hard time > getting some clients to deliver content in a timely manner and it's costing > me money in the long run by halting productivity. From carole at soulmedia.com Fri Nov 10 06:33:05 2000 From: carole at soulmedia.com (Carole Guevin) Date: Fri Nov 10 06:33:05 2000 Subject: [thelist] Starting a Webusiness In-Reply-To: <71CDFFA73DA9D311AE2B0050DA7142D624B844@ATHM-209-219-xxx-25.home.net> Message-ID: Hi Billy, > When I opened an office, I never saw a penny of the money we made. Can you explain when you changed your model from home-base or teleworking to office - that it wasn't functioning anymore? carole guevin imagineering studio.................+ http://soulmedia.com new media resources........+ http://netdiver.net From adrian at logo-logic.com Fri Nov 10 06:50:10 2000 From: adrian at logo-logic.com (Adrian Fischer) Date: Fri Nov 10 06:50:10 2000 Subject: [thelist] pattern matching mail in perl Message-ID: <018c01c04b14$c457ee60$d6b32dcb@qld.bigpond.net.au> Well I guess you ve caught on by now....I haven't a clue what I'm doing here! At last I can get access to the .mail file on the linux server that hosts me. If its sin a useable format is yet to be seen. At present I can dump the whole thing to screen, but that's not what I want, it just proves to me that I've accessed it. This is how I'm doing it: death('didn't work') unless (open(MAILFILE, "$config{'pathtomail'}.mail")); (@junk) = ; close MAILFILE; print "@junk the print just dumps the whole file (possibly many emails) to the screen, no formatting. It doesn't need to be formatted. I don't want it displayed on the screen. I want to be able to search the file and find occurrences of certain key words and then see whets on the right of them. For instance. Find occurrences of the word "Invoice Number:" and return the number to the right of it. There may be many instances of the word "Invoice Number:" and I need to have them all returned. I think part of my problem is that the file is not delimited by anything. I know if I do this: death('it don't work') unless (open(MAILFILE, "$config{'pathtomail'}.mail")); ($crap,$snap,$pop,$q1,$q2,$q3,$q4......etc) = ; close MAILFILE; foreach ($crap) { print "$crap...$snap...$pop...$q1...$q2...$q3...$q4....................etc"; } it seems to print a line at a time so perhaps there is a line feed at the end of each row (obviously) and each variable is grabbing a line. That's a step in the right direction. But I don't know how many emails may be in the file at a given time so that doesn't really help. Even a line at a time ( If I could somehow do a while loop and grab and test each line as it reads the file might work) might be to much. Perhaps if I could grab each individual word and test it against my search word. And there in lays the problem. I know what I need to be doing but don't know how to do it. My reference talks about pattern matching but does not give an example that I can play with. I've searched online resources for examples but found nothing. Once I've grabbed the variables I need from the mail the rest is easy...update my db and away we go. But it could all be for naught if I cant get this sucker to work. Any online resources you know of that are in big black bold print (with pictures would help). Examples are what I really need. I've managed to get this far by playing with examples and chopping and changing them. Could be a big ask on a Friday (its actually 1045 pm Friday night as I write this but I'm hoping someone on the other side of the world has nothing better to do on their Friday.;-)) Sorry to hassle you all so many times in one day... Regards (a very battle weary) Adrian Fischer Brisbane Australia From morbus at disobey.com Fri Nov 10 07:06:36 2000 From: morbus at disobey.com (Morbus Iff) Date: Fri Nov 10 07:06:36 2000 Subject: [thelist] pattern matching mail in perl In-Reply-To: <018c01c04b14$c457ee60$d6b32dcb@qld.bigpond.net.au> References: <018c01c04b14$c457ee60$d6b32dcb@qld.bigpond.net.au> Message-ID: >Even a line at a time ( If I could somehow do a while loop and grab and test >each line as it reads the file might work) might be to much. Perhaps if I >could grab each individual word and test it against my search word. > >And there in lays the problem. I know what I need to be doing but don't >know how to do it. My reference talks about pattern matching but does not >give an example that I can play with. I've searched online resources for >examples but found nothing. open (MAIL, "$file"); $file = ; close (MAIL); foreach (split(/\n/, $file)) { if ($_ =~ /searchterm/) { print "Found it: $_"; } } This is a really simple one. The first line obviously sucks in your file, and we place it into a big $variable instead of an array. We then loop through that variable in our second line, splitting on a new line character. So, the loop will go through every single line in the file, and do anything in the loop on that one line. We use perl's $_, which contains the latest of what we're working on (in this case, the single line we just yanked out from our $file). We then do a test to see if that line matches our "searchterm". If it does, we print that line out, and move on with our loop. The pattern match can be anything obviously, some examples being: /Invoice Number:/ /Subject: / /From: bob\@microsoft.com/ # we must escape "@" here And so on. Hope that helps. -- Morbus Iff ______ Here we have HomelessMorbus - living in a box. Able to | () | furnish an old refrigerator box into a spacious 3 room |<\/>| complete with Internet connection and entertainment center, |_/\_| until it rains, and then he's up to his knees in shat... Devil Shat: -01--- <\/> ---- --- Bad Ascii, Short Notice ---- From persist1_pdx at yahoo.com Fri Nov 10 08:18:19 2000 From: persist1_pdx at yahoo.com (Ben Henick) Date: Fri Nov 10 08:18:19 2000 Subject: [thelist] When life and coding are incompatible...? Message-ID: <20001110141837.9465.qmail@web3903.mail.yahoo.com> > [sender: Ben Henick || date: 04:51 09/11/2000 -0800] > >Let me paint for you a scenario: I will attempt to preserve the signal:noise ratio by summing up the advice in the thread as a tip, where it will probably do the most good. I am... surprised and touched at the sincerity of the responses I've gotten both on- and offlist. I know that several of you recognize my address from earlier flurries of productive activity on MJ, and only wish that I was making as significant a contribution here! *chuckle* For those of you who might have wondered the event at hand is (thankfully) not a death of any sort. Then too the client whose timeline is most affected by the situation has been notified, and has been entirely understanding. After talking to him I realize that part of my stress has to do with the fact that I want to see it finished (if anything) more badly than he does! The matter at hand I shall call one of personal revelation; the subject matter is such that I really don't want to discuss it publicly. My (increasingly outdated) personal site touches on parts. I think I'm starting to get my bearings back, and the response to this thread has had a lot to do with that. Another thing I should mention is that my MP3 collection has been something of a godsend, even if I haven't gotten much work done. I've instead tried to do intuitive stuff like phone calls and copywriting. One (rhetorical) question I have: I'm working out of the house presently, which has made it more difficult... when you're freelancing, what then? Every once in a while life catches up with us at times that do no favors for our deadlines. Here is a list of "Do's:" 1. Talk to someone. Finding an objective voice will help to put matters in perspective. 2. Compartmentalize. If that means that you're a workaholic, then maybe you should take some time off at home. If you can, keep work at work and home at home. 3. Rest. If you push yourself that much harder, you are in fact bringing upon yourself a cycle of illness that only makes matters worse. 4. Make a conscious effort to make your Web usage productive. Time will fly, will get pissed away, if you don't. 5. Did I mention talking? 6. Focus on resolving some of your more intense project challenges. this can help to provide needed distance from you and whatever the problem happens to be. Do be careful to manage your time if you do this. 7. Change your routine enough to provide some needed variety. At the very least, interact. There are also a couple of "Don't's:" 1. Do not medicate with drugs or alcohol as a direct response to the situation. 2. If you're hurting in some way don't, please DON'T, "bottle it in." This can be difficult in circumstances where you've not much of a social life (and thus no friends with whom you'd trust the relevant emotion)... and in that event, visit the pastor (or other spiritual mentor) of a friend. If it's too intense to bear, that's probably for a reason, and you're being foolish to try and bear it alone anyway. ===== Ben Henick | "In the long run, men hit only Web Author At-Large | what they aim at. Therefore, www.io.com/persist1/ | though they should fail persist1 at io.com | immediately, they had better aim persist1_pdx at yahoo.com | high." --Henry David Thoreau __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From k.spice at acu.ac.uk Fri Nov 10 08:31:42 2000 From: k.spice at acu.ac.uk (Katherine Spice) Date: Fri Nov 10 08:31:42 2000 Subject: [thelist] When life and coding are incompatible...? References: <20001109125142.16637.qmail@web3905.mail.yahoo.com> <3A0AD5E0.819AB492@acu.ac.uk> <3A0AE395.68062F60@sam-i-am.com> Message-ID: <3A0C06EC.6AB49D5F@acu.ac.uk> Sam-I-Am wrote: > great post. Thanks :-) > Katherine - could you wrap your post in a tip tag for the harvester? Will do! I thought of one other thing (and in the spirit of tipping!): Break down long/ongoing tasks into bite sized chunks, and make a to do list. This will not only keep you focused, but the sense of satisfaction gained from ticking off a task is far better for your morale than those "did i achieve anything at all today?" days. Repeated 4 tip purposes: Get plenty of rest - even if you're not sleeping too good, take time to veg in front of the telly, read a book, meditate, have a long bath. if you must stay up late working, get one early night for every late one (and sleeping all weekend doesn't count - studies show this can leave you feeling worse - like a kinda jetlag). a milky drink b4 bed can make you drowsy - a natural alternative to sleeping pills Cut down on caffeine (coffee, tea, coke + chocolate) - i know it's no fun, but it will help you sleep better and not weaken your immune system. Eat properly. Try to eat breakfast, lunch and dinner (not at your desk!), at regular times - and don't eat for at least an hour before bed. if you're not getting enough vitamins and minerals (fruit + veggies) take a supplement - it's not as good, but better than nothing. Eat high energy foods like pasta, bread, bananas and avoid too much processed sugar. A regular form of moderate exercise 30-60 minutes a day is good for keeping your body in good condition (and better able to fight off germs). yoga is great for relaxing or walk to the shops in your lunch hour (be sure to take some time away from your desk each day). From mark at wechsler.com Fri Nov 10 08:55:31 2000 From: mark at wechsler.com (Mark Green) Date: Fri Nov 10 08:55:31 2000 Subject: [thelist] RE: CSS/Font size/MAC IE 5.0 Message-ID: If you set the font size to pixels rather than points (Xpx vs Xpt), it should prevent it from resizing in Mac IE 5.0. Not that I think you should do that very often... -- Mark Green Wechsler Ross & Partners > -----Original Message----- > From: Carleen Tracy [mailto:carleen.tracy at b3interactive.com] > Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 2:14 PM > To: thelist at lists.evolt.org > Subject: [thelist] CSS/Font size/MAC IE 5.0 > > > Hello All, > having a problem with font size on a MAC IE 5.0 browser. In the > style sheet > the font is set to a fixed size (9pt) but on this browser only the font is > increasable through the 'text zoom' command. > Why is this? The fonts don't increase on any other browser or platform. > > thanks > carleen > From joris at mac.com Fri Nov 10 09:02:16 2000 From: joris at mac.com (Joris Kluivers) Date: Fri Nov 10 09:02:16 2000 Subject: [thelist] jsp References: <018c01c04b14$c457ee60$d6b32dcb@qld.bigpond.net.au> Message-ID: <002001c04b26$cf803420$0701a8c0@WORKGROUP> hi, i've seen a couple of sites using the extension jsp (java server pages) does someone know where to learn this stuff Joris From bheerssen at visualbridge.tv Fri Nov 10 09:21:28 2000 From: bheerssen at visualbridge.tv (Bruce Heerssen) Date: Fri Nov 10 09:21:28 2000 Subject: [thelist] Simple Apache question Message-ID: Anthony, are you sure about this? It didn't work for me. What did work was modifying the entry in the httpd.config file to read: Options -Indexes ...(blah, blah) However, that disables indexing on all directories. I'm using WinNT with Apache running as a service. Would that be a factor? Of course, I did remember to stop and restart the sevice before expecting the change to take effect. "Anthony Baratta" wrote in message news:<3A0B4EEF.8F8F2818 at Baratta.com>... > Tony Bounds wrote: > > > > on 11/9/00 3:08 PM, Anthony Baratta at Anthony at Baratta.com wrote: > > > > > Create a .htacess file in the directory in question (or in your web root > > > directory). > > > Put the statement below in the .htaccess file: > > > > > > Options -Indexes > From bobd at members.evolt.org Fri Nov 10 09:26:26 2000 From: bobd at members.evolt.org (Bob Davis) Date: Fri Nov 10 09:26:26 2000 Subject: [thelist] jsp In-Reply-To: <002001c04b26$cf803420$0701a8c0@WORKGROUP> Message-ID: on 11/10/00 9:59 AM, Joris Kluivers at joris at mac.com wrote: > hi, > > i've seen a couple of sites using the extension jsp (java server pages) > does someone know where to learn this stuff > > Joris I've been looking into the same thing, and here's what I have found: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/ http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/docs.html http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/ http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/tags/tags.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/ http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html There are more, but that's what I have in my bookmarks. bob -- bob davis bobd at members.evolt.org From k.spice at acu.ac.uk Fri Nov 10 09:28:53 2000 From: k.spice at acu.ac.uk (Katherine Spice) Date: Fri Nov 10 09:28:53 2000 Subject: [thelist] Request For Comments (+ tips) Message-ID: <3A0C1454.31BD7E63@acu.ac.uk> Here's the deal: Internal departmental changes mean that soon our site will be out of date, and I'm hoping to take this opportunity to do a (IMO much needed) redesign. However I have to go to a "Strategic Management Meeting" (read 4 technology dinosaurs, 1 Finance Director who complains at _anything_ involving money, and my boss (IT director) on monday and convince them that the site needs changing. The reason this may pose problems is because the site is comparatively new (18 months or so) and was designed by a contractor (at considerable expense!) before I was hired. The other reason is that they (with the exception on my boss) think it looks great! It suffered greatly from internal politics when it was designed and they can't see how that's made it really difficult to use if you don't know our corporate structure. The URL is http://www.acu.ac.uk/ What I'd really like is comments on it's usability that I can take as ammunition, or just bear in mind when I do the redesign. If you're glutton for punishment you could try looking for a) the application form for the British Marshall Scholarships and b) the application form for British Academy/ACU Grants for International Collaboration and tell me how far you get. I already intend to get rid of the frames but I'm not sure about CSS 'cause a lot of our audience use v3 Netscape/IE (around 50%). The other part is: I'm considering proposing an interactive news/comments area as the home page (like /. for academics) but I know that senior staff here currently wouldn't use that kind of site. Does anyone else work (or used to work) in an academic environment? If so, are my lot typical of the average academic, or do your think this might just fly? I would be proposing a news area we update daily with the option to comment or submit your own story. Sorry for the long post - I know it's a bit much for a friday! TIA, Katherine Tips: The best Perl book you will ever buy has to be "Perl Cookbook" - O'Reilly ISBN 1-56592-243-3. It has a recipe for every situation, and great explanations. The Apache Server Adminstrators Handbook by M. J. Kabir ISBN 0-7645-3306-1 is the best apache book I've ever used. It walks you though the httpd.conf, covers common tasks and more indepth stuff, but is organized so you can find the bit you need without needing to read 5 other chapters first. From licren at unx.sas.com Fri Nov 10 09:36:28 2000 From: licren at unx.sas.com (Lisa Crenshaw) Date: Fri Nov 10 09:36:28 2000 Subject: [thelist] pattern matching mail in perl In-Reply-To: <018c01c04b14$c457ee60$d6b32dcb@qld.bigpond.net.au> Message-ID: This from a perl tutorial seems like a pretty good basic introduction to perl's pattern matching : http://cres20.anu.edu.au/manuals/perl/matching.html and here are the gory details on regular expressions from www.perl.com: http://www.perl.com/pub/doc/manual/html/pod/perlre.html Use parentheses to remember parts of a line you've just matched. For example, assuming that $_ contains one line of your mail file : $_ =~ /Invoice Number: (.+)/ ; my $anything_after_invoice = $1; $anything_after_invoice will now be all characters (except newlines) after the Invoice Number. Similarly: $_ =~ /Invoice Number: (\d+)/ ; my $digits = $1; ### contains any digits immediately following or $_ =~ /Invoice Number: ([\s\d]+)/ ; my $digits_and_whitespace = $1; ### contains digits and whitespace ### immediately following Good luck. --lisa Lisa Crenshaw Webmaster/ Sysadmin SAS Institute lisa.crenshaw at sas.com On Fri, 10 Nov 2000, Adrian Fischer wrote: > Well I guess you ve caught on by now....I haven't a clue what I'm doing > here! > > At last I can get access to the .mail file on the linux server that hosts > me. If its sin a useable format is yet to be seen. At present I can dump > the whole thing to screen, but that's not what I want, it just proves to me > that I've accessed it. > This is how I'm doing it: > > death('didn't work') unless (open(MAILFILE, "$config{'pathtomail'}.mail")); > (@junk) = ; > close MAILFILE; > print "@junk > > > the print just dumps the whole file (possibly many emails) to the screen, no > formatting. It doesn't need to be formatted. I don't want it displayed on > the screen. I want to be able to search the file and find occurrences of > certain key words and then see whets on the right of them. For instance. > Find occurrences of the word "Invoice Number:" and return the number to the > right of it. There may be many instances of the word "Invoice Number:" and I > need to have them all returned. > > I think part of my problem is that the file is not delimited by anything. I > know if I do this: > > death('it don't work') unless (open(MAILFILE, > "$config{'pathtomail'}.mail")); > ($crap,$snap,$pop,$q1,$q2,$q3,$q4......etc) = ; > close MAILFILE; > foreach ($crap) > { > print "$crap...$snap...$pop...$q1...$q2...$q3...$q4....................etc"; > } > > it seems to print a line at a time so perhaps there is a line feed at the > end of each row (obviously) and each variable is grabbing a line. That's a > step in the right direction. But I don't know how many emails may be in the > file at a given time so that doesn't really help. > > Even a line at a time ( If I could somehow do a while loop and grab and test > each line as it reads the file might work) might be to much. Perhaps if I > could grab each individual word and test it against my search word. > > And there in lays the problem. I know what I need to be doing but don't > know how to do it. My reference talks about pattern matching but does not > give an example that I can play with. I've searched online resources for > examples but found nothing. > > Once I've grabbed the variables I need from the mail the rest is > easy...update my db and away we go. But it could all be for naught if I > cant get this sucker to work. > > Any online resources you know of that are in big black bold print (with > pictures would help). Examples are what I really need. I've managed to get > this far by playing with examples and chopping and changing them. > > Could be a big ask on a Friday (its actually 1045 pm Friday night as I write > this but I'm hoping someone on the other side of the world has nothing > better to do on their Friday.;-)) > > Sorry to hassle you all so many times in one day... > > > Regards > > (a very battle weary) > Adrian Fischer > Brisbane > Australia > > > --------------------------------------- > For unsubscribe and other options, including > the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: > http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From Anthony at Baratta.com Fri Nov 10 09:36:49 2000 From: Anthony at Baratta.com (Anthony Baratta) Date: Fri Nov 10 09:36:49 2000 Subject: [thelist] email an article: was sending text in the body of an email In-Reply-To: <20001110093835.807.qmail@web614.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20001110074006.00af6468@baratta.com> At 01:38 AM 11/10/2000, you wrote: >In case this was confusing, my dilemma is simple: I >need to be able to send a text article via email to a >person just by clicking on a link. >to pass info into the subject of an email, one creates >the link mailto:me at myaddress.com?subject=blahbhah > >can this be used for the body of the email as well? Make a raw text file as well as an HTML file. Then just have the text mailed to the user. ---- Anthony Baratta President Keyboard Jockeys From Tony at IdeaSystems.com Fri Nov 10 09:41:29 2000 From: Tony at IdeaSystems.com (Anthony Baratta) Date: Fri Nov 10 09:41:29 2000 Subject: [thelist] Simple Apache question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20001110074214.00afeaa8@baratta.com> At 07:20 AM 11/10/2000, you wrote: >Anthony, are you sure about this? It didn't work for me. What did work was >modifying the entry in the httpd.config file to read: > >Options -Indexes ...(blah, blah) > >However, that disables indexing on all directories. > >I'm using WinNT with Apache running as a service. Would that be a factor? Of >course, I did remember to stop and restart the sevice before expecting the >change to take effect. One: I have no idea about Apache for Windows, sorry. Two: In order for the .htaccess file to be active, you need to make one change to your httpd.conf file. # # This controls which options the .htaccess files in directories can # override. Can also be "All", or any combination of "Options", "FileInfo", # "AuthConfig", and "Limit" # AllowOverride Options By default the AllowOverride is set to None. I set mine to All because I'm the only one on the server. ---- Anthony Baratta Isys Idea Systems voice 510-452-4554 fax 510-452-4641 From joris at mac.com Fri Nov 10 09:52:48 2000 From: joris at mac.com (Joris Kluivers) Date: Fri Nov 10 09:52:48 2000 Subject: [thelist] jsp References: Message-ID: <005401c04b2d$df449840$0701a8c0@WORKGROUP> thanx bob joris From kaceyp at inreach.com Fri Nov 10 09:57:16 2000 From: kaceyp at inreach.com (Kacey) Date: Fri Nov 10 09:57:16 2000 Subject: [thelist] Request For Comments (+ tips) References: <3A0C1454.31BD7E63@acu.ac.uk> Message-ID: <010b01c04b2e$d916c1e0$0862fea9@kathyper> Hi Katherine -- I went to your ACU site and was able to find the two application forms easily. But I guess well, being a former academician. They would be difficult if you didn't already know what a Marshall was, or couldn't guess by the name on the other. My first suggestion would be to define your target audience: is it strictly entrenched academics, or outsiders as well? If so, a definition of the programs would be in order on the front page. Kathy From deboute at yahoo.com Fri Nov 10 09:59:35 2000 From: deboute at yahoo.com (deboute benjamin) Date: Fri Nov 10 09:59:35 2000 Subject: [thelist] broken link ( was : Is this spam or not? ) In-Reply-To: <003201c04a57$f4cd9da0$ecc82cc3@athlon800> References: <3B55A5A1F233D41183A800D0B74D4D5205E602@SBS> Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20001110170516.01b495c0@pop.mail.yahoo.com> > > > > >Just out - an amazing new FREEWARE app called SpyGuru > >http://ilia.reznik.home.mindspring.com/spyguru.htm healthy link http://www.davecentral.com/9748.html deboute benjamin _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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If you have access control rights to your directory (with .htaccess files usually), you should be able to modify the options for that directory (all all directories under it, so drop the file in your web root if you want this to be the rule for your whole site). In the .htaccess file, you will want to put the following line: Options -Indexes You can append this to any other lines if you have the file already. That will disable the option to display a directory index (since it appears to be enabled by default). If you DO have access to the main configuration files, you can locate the block for the directory or path you want to modify and remove the "Indexes" option from the Options line. --- -- - Seb Barre - seb at oven.com OVEN Digital Toronto Work: 416-595-9750 x 222 Mobile: 416-254-5078 http://www.oven.com/ From george.dillon at ukonline.co.uk Fri Nov 10 10:25:57 2000 From: george.dillon at ukonline.co.uk (George Dillon) Date: Fri Nov 10 10:25:57 2000 Subject: [thelist] Spyguru too popular (was broken link ( was : Is this spam or not? )) References: <3B55A5A1F233D41183A800D0B74D4D5205E602@SBS> <5.0.0.25.0.20001110170516.01b495c0@pop.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00ab01c04b32$e42ee360$5e0e2cc3@athlon800> > healthy link > http://www.davecentral.com/9748.html Seems not, it just leads back to the author's site, which is down because it has exceeded its bandwidth. The download executable is 633 kb. If anyone wants to give it a try (Benjamin?), let me know and I'll attach and cc: it to you all in one bash Monday say? HTH George Dillon From george.dillon at ukonline.co.uk Fri Nov 10 10:30:37 2000 From: george.dillon at ukonline.co.uk (George Dillon) Date: Fri Nov 10 10:30:37 2000 Subject: [thelist] Spyguru too popular (was broken link ( was : Is this spam or not? )) Message-ID: <00b801c04b33$8e74abc0$5e0e2cc3@athlon800> Version 1.1 is still available: ftp://ftp.euro.net/d6/tucows/files2/spyguru.exe ftp://ftp.cix.co.uk/mirrors/tucows.com/files2/spyguru.exe The latest version (which is currently unobtainable) is 1.5. HTH George Dillon From george.dillon at ukonline.co.uk Fri Nov 10 10:35:56 2000 From: george.dillon at ukonline.co.uk (George Dillon) Date: Fri Nov 10 10:35:56 2000 Subject: [thelist] Spyguru too popular (was broken link ( was : Is this spam or not? )) References: <3B55A5A1F233D41183A800D0B74D4D5205E602@SBS> <5.0.0.25.0.20001110170516.01b495c0@pop.mail.yahoo.com> <00ab01c04b32$e42ee360$5e0e2cc3@athlon800> Message-ID: <00d001c04b34$4ca15d00$5e0e2cc3@athlon800> Aha! Sorry, I was a bit quick before, but here it is (version 1.5); ftp://ftp.bitcon.no/.14/tucows/files2/spygurusetup.exe ftp://ftp.datacomm.ch/.3/tucows/files2/spygurusetup.exe ftp://ftp.southcom.com.au/.4/tucows/files2/spygurusetup.exe ftp://ftp.dei.uc.pt/.disk3/tucows/files2/spygurusetup.exe etc... 15 possible sites: http://ftpsearch.lycos.com/cgi-bin/search?form=medium&query=spygurusetup.exe &doit=Search&type=Case+insensitive+multiple+substrings+search&hits=15&limdom =&limpath=&f1=Count&f2=Mode&f3=Size&f4=Date&f5=Host&f6=Path&header=none&sort =none&trlen=20 (mind the wrap) HTH George Dillon From asquier at exobox.com Fri Nov 10 10:39:55 2000 From: asquier at exobox.com (Adam Squier) Date: Fri Nov 10 10:39:55 2000 Subject: [thelist] BG images in cells in NN Message-ID: <2B041FB28AA4D411A6B400508BFDF38F02F5F5@ORANGE> Hi everyone, I've been working on a layout that uses background images in cells to account for a fluid (or "stretchy") design. The weird thing is that some BG images show up just fine in Netscape but others don't. In IE they're fine. After much re-doing I finally got them all to work. It ended up being the file name of the gif that was doing it (as far as I could tell -- that's what worked). In my testing I wasn't able figure out what the offending names were. Are there certain names (or characters) that one shouldn't use when assigning background images to cells in Netscape? Thanks, Adam __________________________ Adam E. J. Squier Web Designer: exobox, Inc. http://www.exobox.com/ From dwayne at mentia.com Fri Nov 10 10:44:31 2000 From: dwayne at mentia.com (dwayne) Date: Fri Nov 10 10:44:31 2000 Subject: [thelist] jsp In-Reply-To: References: <002001c04b26$cf803420$0701a8c0@WORKGROUP> Message-ID: <14860.9338.242792.934298@edtn004804.hs.telusplanet.net> > on 11/10/00 9:59 AM, Joris Kluivers at joris at mac.com wrote: > > > > i've seen a couple of sites using the extension jsp (java server pages) > > does someone know where to learn this stuff just been checking into this myself. here's a couple more links: a tutorial: http://www.apl.jhu.edu/~hall/java/Servlet-Tutorial/ ServerPages.com: http://www.serverpages.com/Java_Server_Pages/ IBM's Java Technology Zone: http://www.ibm.com/developer/java/ Bruce Eckel's site http://www.bruceeckel.com/ (if you don't already know java, i can't recommend this highly enough. i'm reading the book Thinking in Java (which is available for download from this site), and i've been very impressed with it. highly readable). - dwayne From echang at redhotchips.demon.co.uk Fri Nov 10 10:53:26 2000 From: echang at redhotchips.demon.co.uk (Erika Chang) Date: Fri Nov 10 10:53:26 2000 Subject: [thelist] Tables Not Extending in IE 5.5 In-Reply-To: <01c901c03bcc$1665a060$18009ad8@michelef> References: <012501c03aa3$d81f8b00$600b9ad8@michelef> <01c901c03bcc$1665a060$18009ad8@michelef> Message-ID: >Thanks to everyone that had a look at this page for me >(http://wordpro.on.ca/test.htm). I've resigned myself to thinking it really >IS a bug in IE 5.5 on PC (check http://ceramic.on.ca and you'll see the >tables extend 100% across all pages just fine). Anyway, I've spent too much >time trying to figure this out. Will just redesign the top part of the site >before launching it. Unless of course someone else does have a suggestion. > >Also, I apologize to everyone that had tried to look while my server went >down for a couple of hours Friday afternoon. try adding rightmargin=0 to BODY tag? From k.spice at acu.ac.uk Fri Nov 10 11:04:07 2000 From: k.spice at acu.ac.uk (Katherine Spice) Date: Fri Nov 10 11:04:07 2000 Subject: [thelist] Request For Comments (+ tips) References: <3A0C1454.31BD7E63@acu.ac.uk> <010b01c04b2e$d916c1e0$0862fea9@kathyper> Message-ID: <3A0C2AA6.907078A@acu.ac.uk> Hi Kathy - Thanks for the feedback. > My first suggestion would be to define your target > audience: is it strictly entrenched academics, or outsiders as well? If so, > a definition of the programs would be in order on the front page. That's part of the problem - our users are mainly students or other people with specific interests (and we're a bit of an umbrella org covering loads of different areas), but Management are convinced that the Vice Chancellors of our member unis should be a specific group to target - but currently there's not much to draw them in - i was kinda hoping a "commonwealth higher education news forum" might be something "entrenched academics" would use ;-), while allowing me to make the site more useable for everyone. Katherine From cheryl.baringer at usa.alcatel.com Fri Nov 10 11:08:52 2000 From: cheryl.baringer at usa.alcatel.com (Cheryl Baringer) Date: Fri Nov 10 11:08:52 2000 Subject: [thelist] without whitespace.css in NN? References: <20001110162603.9A8E91BDFF@relay.evolt.org> Message-ID: <3A0C2C89.DC29AC96@usa.alcatel.com> Earlier this week there was a discussion about the whitespace that appears after a Select element in a form. The CSS solutions work in IE, but has anyone found a way to eliminate this annoying space in Netscape? Thanks, Cheryl Baringer From sgd at ti3.com Fri Nov 10 11:21:19 2000 From: sgd at ti3.com (Scott Dexter) Date: Fri Nov 10 11:21:19 2000 Subject: [thelist] Friday Freebie Message-ID: <8C8B8745C0FE7A43BFA6CABAB321117223F6BF@gate.ti3.com> dunno about you, but this week went by pretty fast here, and a good dose of biscuits and gravy didn't hurt.... * The Session_OnStart in the global.asa subroutine is reliable * The Session_OnEnd is NOT. --don't use it (its not fixed in IIS5) * When using Session.Abandon, existing Session values are available until the page finishes processing. In other words, You can have Session.Abandon and still use Session values on the same page, just not after it * Placing an apartment threaded object into a Session variable is a **BAD** thing. It reduces IIS to a single thread, and will seriously hose your performance. The current set of ADO objects are of this type. So is the MS-provided Dictionary object. Check and make sure the components you load into Session variables are 'free' or 'both' threaded * If you're placing values from a recordset into Session variables, cast them to ensure that they aren't passed by reference --which would be a pointer to the recordset's value, such that when you close the recordset your Session variable is blown away. Casting causes it to be passed by value, which is safe: Session("userid") = CStr(oRS("userid")) * Session objects are stored on the web server, not in cookies. The only cookie that is passed back and forth with the browser is the Session ID (SESSID), a really, really long randomly generated string. MS SiteServer passes an ID value in addition to the SESSID * Beware of large structures/amounts of data in Session variables. Remember that you are taking up server memory with Session objects, and they don't go away quickly; I don't want you eating up all your server's memory with umpteen million Session objects. Look into storing back to a db instead I'm gonna shoot for a non-ASP FF next week .... (stop snickering) sgd -- work: http://www.ti3.com/ non: http://thinksafely.org/ From djc at five2one.org Fri Nov 10 14:04:52 2000 From: djc at five2one.org (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Fri Nov 10 14:04:52 2000 Subject: [thelist] Unix Friday Freebie Message-ID: <3A0C6401.74E9D0AD@five2one.org> Since the venerable sgd's friday freebies are always windows based, and since i need to test a new setting on the list relay servers, i thought i'd share with some of us that are on the other side of force :) (although scotts tips are always good, no doubt :) Are you 'su'ing to root, but stuff isn't working? Make sure you use the command 'su - root' to load env variables for the user you're su'ing to. Got problems with memory exceptions and other bad memory problems with solaris 7(2.7) and below? Upgrade to Solaris 8. All of those ebay crashes we heard about last spring are due to some memory bugs in solaris 7. Version 8 fixes most of these, along with a number of other issues. If you're running a server that deals with large files, don't use a standard linux filesystem! By default, the ext2 FS reads and writes in 1024 byte chunks. This is nice for small files, but will kill performance(the end all be all :) when you're dealing with large files on DB, email, proxy, and web servers. Instead, have your FS write in 4096 byte chunks with the command mke2fs -b 4096 /dev/sda1 (for example). You'll see an incredible amount of performance in your disk I/O subsystem, which is *the* most common place for bottlenecks on servers. If possible, recompile your linux kernel to *not* include loadable modules. And compile out the ones that you dont use. This will also increase performance.(Do you really need a USB module on your webserver?) On AIX, Lsdev -Cc will list the available items, what address they are at, the bus slot, and what name the system gave them. .djc. From comitque at hotmail.com Fri Nov 10 14:05:19 2000 From: comitque at hotmail.com (Andrew Martin) Date: Fri Nov 10 14:05:19 2000 Subject: [thelist] CSS & Netscape Message-ID: <4120001151020548116@prispop.com> I'm trying to build a dynamic popup box containing menu items. It works and looks great in IE but Netscape has at least one major problem. The box, a div, has a 1px border with a colored inner body. In Netscape, it shows the border and then about 2px of whitespace, showing the text underneath the box, and then the colored inner body. How do I get rid of that white space? I've tried adjusting the margin and adjusting the padding but neither works. Here's the CSS part: .menu { position:absolute; visibility:hidden; background-color: #CCCC99; width: auto; height: auto; border-style: solid; border-color: #993333; border-width: 1px; margin:0px; padding: 2px; font-size : 12px; font-family: "verdana", "helvetica"; line-height: 14px; } Please reply via direct email since I get the digest. Thanks! From one_webdude at yahoo.com Fri Nov 10 14:44:19 2000 From: one_webdude at yahoo.com (Terry Fowler) Date: Fri Nov 10 14:44:19 2000 Subject: [thelist] Unix Friday Freebie Message-ID: <20001110204446.25800.qmail@web119.yahoomail.com> --- "Daniel J. Cody" wrote: > Since the venerable sgd's friday freebies are always > windows based, and > since i need to test a new setting on the list relay > servers, i thought > i'd share with some of us that are on the other side > of force :) > (although scotts tips are always good, no doubt :) > > > Way to go djc!! Keep 'em coming. I spend most of my day in Solaris 2.5 and HPUX 1020. One of the requirements for being a UNIX guru is having a fantastic memory (which I don't) or a great notebook full of UNIX commands. I just checked mine for the command to get the OS version and couldn't find it. Erm, maybe this is a hint for the next Unix Friday Freebie? Terry "Not a Guru" Fowler __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From quackamoe at yahoo.com Fri Nov 10 14:55:31 2000 From: quackamoe at yahoo.com (Quackamoe) Date: Fri Nov 10 14:55:31 2000 Subject: [thelist] Simple Apache question Message-ID: <20001110205555.17823.qmail@web1101.mail.yahoo.com> --- Anthony Baratta wrote: > > One: I have no idea about Apache for Windows, sorry. > Works fine with Apache1.3.6/Win95 as long as you have done #Two: below. Terry Fowler > Two: In order for the .htaccess file to be active, > you need to make one > change to your httpd.conf file. > > # > # This controls which options the .htaccess files in > directories can > # override. Can also be "All", or any combination of > "Options", "FileInfo", > # "AuthConfig", and "Limit" > # > AllowOverride Options > > By default the AllowOverride is set to None. I set > mine to All because I'm > the only one on the server. > > ---- > Anthony Baratta > Isys Idea Systems __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From talleman at autobex.com Fri Nov 10 14:58:41 2000 From: talleman at autobex.com (Tab Alleman) Date: Fri Nov 10 14:58:41 2000 Subject: [thelist] ASP: @@Identity In-Reply-To: <8C8B8745C0FE7A43BFA6CABAB321117223F6BF@gate.ti3.com> Message-ID: Problem: My @@Identity is experiencing a meltdown in the middle of my script and I don't know why. Background: I've got a table in SQLServer7 that I import data to from smaller tables. When I import the data, I want to check to see if I already have that Item in the database. If the item is already there I want to (trust me when I say it has to be this way) make a copy of the existing record, and update the copy with the new data. So I do this. DO WHILE NOT rsImport.EOF SELECT ID FROM MainTable WHERE TheImportData = TheMainTableData IF NOT EOF '(there are duplicates) DO WHILE NOT EOF 'so for each duplicate SELECT somefields FROM MainTable WHERE ID = (TheIDWeJustSelected) INSERT INTO MainTable (The Fields and Values we just Selected) 'make a duplicate NewID = SELECT @@IDENTITY 'get the autonumber of the new record UPDATE MainTable SET (fields and values) WHERE ID = NewID MoveNext LOOP ELSE INSERT INTO MainTable (a new record) END IF LOOP Symptoms: The script runs fine through several iterations of the outer loop, and then it hits one where @@Identity doesn't return a value for some reason, and it therefore explodes on the UPDATE statement. Looking at the data as it's written to the screen, I can only see one unusual thing about the record it stops on everytime: When it begins, it starts finding duplicates in sequential order.. the first time it finds a duplicate with ID #387, then 388, then 389...etc. The one that it blows up on is the first break in the sequence.. (it finds a dupe way back at 129).. but I don't see what that would have to do with the @@Identity of the newly inserted record. I've tried switching to all static cursors with the same results.. anybody have any idea what could be causing this?? 'preciate any thoughts. Tab From Tony at IdeaSystems.com Fri Nov 10 14:59:51 2000 From: Tony at IdeaSystems.com (Anthony Baratta) Date: Fri Nov 10 14:59:51 2000 Subject: [thelist] Unix Friday Freebie In-Reply-To: <20001110204446.25800.qmail@web119.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20001110130330.0223df00@baratta.com> I just checked mine for the >command to get the OS version and couldn't find it. >Erm, maybe this is a hint for the next Unix Friday >Freebie? uname -a ;-) ---- Anthony Baratta Isys Idea Systems voice 510-452-4554 fax 510-452-4641 From Anthony at Baratta.com Fri Nov 10 15:20:58 2000 From: Anthony at Baratta.com (Anthony Baratta) Date: Fri Nov 10 15:20:58 2000 Subject: [thelist] ASP: @@Identity In-Reply-To: References: <8C8B8745C0FE7A43BFA6CABAB321117223F6BF@gate.ti3.com> Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20001110132159.0221b180@baratta.com> At 12:58 PM 11/10/2000, you wrote: >Problem: My @@Identity is experiencing a meltdown in the middle of my script >and I don't know why. Can we see some real code? That would help me to help you. When I grab @@Identity I do this: strQuery = "INSERT INTO TableOne VALUES(Null," strQuery = strQuery & blah blah blah objDB_Connection.Execute(strQuery) objDB_RecordSet.Open "Select @@Identity" varIdentity = objDB_RecordSet(0) objDB_RecordSet.Close ---- Anthony Baratta President Keyboard Jockeys From sgd at ti3.com Fri Nov 10 15:30:41 2000 From: sgd at ti3.com (Scott Dexter) Date: Fri Nov 10 15:30:41 2000 Subject: [thelist] ASP: @@Identity Message-ID: <8C8B8745C0FE7A43BFA6CABAB321117223F6CA@gate.ti3.com> I use a trigger to insert into a second table instead of using @@Identity: create Trigger tbGroupWWW_Add_tbGTSAudit On dbo.tbGroupWWW For Insert As Set nocount on If Update (uid) Begin declare @id int Select @id=i.uid from inserted i Insert into tbGTSAudit(id) values (@id) End (the tbGTSAudit table has defaults on the other columns so the insert is just the id value) it grabs the auto-created id and uses it to insert into the second table. Since @@Identity is a SERVER WIDE global variable, you can't be guaranteed of its value through the lifetime of your loop. In other words, some other process can change the @@Identity value without you knowing it. dunno if this helps your specific scenario, but its an idea at least (you can use a trigger for inserts, updates, deletes, or combinations thereof) you would use it to do your Update below .... sgd -- work: http://www.ti3.com/ non: http://thinksafely.org/ > -----Original Message----- > From: Tab Alleman [mailto:talleman at autobex.com] > > > Problem: My @@Identity is experiencing a meltdown in the > middle of my script > and I don't know why. > > NewID = SELECT @@IDENTITY 'get the > autonumber of the new record > UPDATE MainTable SET (fields and > values) WHERE ID = NewID From talleman at autobex.com Fri Nov 10 15:31:44 2000 From: talleman at autobex.com (Tab Alleman) Date: Fri Nov 10 15:31:44 2000 Subject: [thelist] ASP: @@Identity In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20001110132159.0221b180@baratta.com> Message-ID: well, that section of the real code looks like this: sqlSku = "SELECT @@Identity" Set rsSku = usConn.Execute(sqlSku) ThisSku = rsSku.Fields.Item(0).value rsSku.Close Set rsSku = Nothing Any other sections? I didn't wanna post a few hundred lines of my sloppy code. Nobody would want to help me for sure. -----Original Message----- Can we see some real code? That would help me to help you. When I grab @@Identity I do this: strQuery = "INSERT INTO TableOne VALUES(Null," strQuery = strQuery & blah blah blah objDB_Connection.Execute(strQuery) objDB_RecordSet.Open "Select @@Identity" varIdentity = objDB_RecordSet(0) objDB_RecordSet.Close From miakurt at yahoo.com Fri Nov 10 15:41:01 2000 From: miakurt at yahoo.com (Mia Kurt) Date: Fri Nov 10 15:41:01 2000 Subject: [thelist] jsp Message-ID: <20001110214124.60555.qmail@web9106.mail.yahoo.com> http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/docs.html this would be a very good place to start. if you go through the tutorial you will be fine --- Joris Kluivers wrote: > hi, > > i've seen a couple of sites using the extension jsp > (java server pages) > does someone know where to learn this stuff > > Joris > > > --------------------------------------- > For unsubscribe and other options, including > the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: > http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From jaylard at equilon.com Fri Nov 10 15:45:08 2000 From: jaylard at equilon.com (Aylard JA (James)) Date: Fri Nov 10 15:45:08 2000 Subject: [thelist] CSS & Netscape Message-ID: <8B8252E8924BD31193D800805FE63E6D0104CCB3@mzrmsx02.newcos.com> Andrew, > The box, a div, has a 1px border with a colored inner body. In Netscape, > it shows the border and then about 2px of whitespace, showing the text > underneath the box, and then the colored inner body. How do I get rid of > that white space? I've tried adjusting the margin and adjusting the > padding but neither works. As you have discovered, getting CSS to work in Netscape 4 can be a major pain. The short answer to your question is this: layer-background-color: #cccc99 ; This is a proprietary (and very poorly documented) Netscape CSS property that does what background-color is supposed to do, but it requires that a value of either absolute or relative be applied to the div (or "layer", in Netscape parlance) in order to work. I have found that it can be flaky when applied to a relatively positioned layer, however. Since IE (as well as every other browser) does not recognize this CSS property, it ignores it, allowing background-color and layer-background-color to coexist peacefully in the same style declaration (but be sure to set both to the same color). There is a layer-background-image property as well, btw. hth, James Aylard From Anthony at Baratta.com Fri Nov 10 16:12:29 2000 From: Anthony at Baratta.com (Anthony Baratta) Date: Fri Nov 10 16:12:29 2000 Subject: [thelist] ASP: @@Identity In-Reply-To: <8C8B8745C0FE7A43BFA6CABAB321117223F6CA@gate.ti3.com> Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20001110141247.0225e290@baratta.com> At 01:24 PM 11/10/2000, you wrote: >I use a trigger to insert into a second table instead of using @@Identity: > >it grabs the auto-created id and uses it to insert into the second table. >Since @@Identity is a SERVER WIDE global variable, you can't be guaranteed >of its value through the lifetime of your loop. In other words, some other >process can change the @@Identity value without you knowing it. Scott... My understanding was that @@Identity was not global, but was specific to your connection object and that other updates to the Database would not step on the @@Identity you are trying to grab. I do know that if you have triggers setup on the target table you are doing the insert on, you don't end up with the @@Identity of the target file you end up with the @@Identity of the last triggered insert of one of the other tables. Do you have any pointers to documentation that state @@Identity is global, not connection specific? ---- Anthony Baratta President Keyboard Jockeys From talleman at autobex.com Fri Nov 10 16:21:47 2000 From: talleman at autobex.com (Tab Alleman) Date: Fri Nov 10 16:21:47 2000 Subject: [thelist] ASP: @@Identity In-Reply-To: <8C8B8745C0FE7A43BFA6CABAB321117223F6CA@gate.ti3.com> Message-ID: too radical for 5 PM on Friday.. :) I'll try it Monday morning and let you know how it goes! -----Original Message----- From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Scott Dexter Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 4:25 PM To: 'thelist at lists.evolt.org' Subject: RE: [thelist] ASP: @@Identity I use a trigger to insert into a second table instead of using @@Identity: create Trigger tbGroupWWW_Add_tbGTSAudit On dbo.tbGroupWWW For Insert As Set nocount on If Update (uid) Begin declare @id int Select @id=i.uid from inserted i Insert into tbGTSAudit(id) values (@id) End (the tbGTSAudit table has defaults on the other columns so the insert is just the id value) it grabs the auto-created id and uses it to insert into the second table. Since @@Identity is a SERVER WIDE global variable, you can't be guaranteed of its value through the lifetime of your loop. In other words, some other process can change the @@Identity value without you knowing it. dunno if this helps your specific scenario, but its an idea at least (you can use a trigger for inserts, updates, deletes, or combinations thereof) you would use it to do your Update below .... sgd -- work: http://www.ti3.com/ non: http://thinksafely.org/ > -----Original Message----- > From: Tab Alleman [mailto:talleman at autobex.com] > > > Problem: My @@Identity is experiencing a meltdown in the > middle of my script > and I don't know why. > > NewID = SELECT @@IDENTITY 'get the > autonumber of the new record > UPDATE MainTable SET (fields and > values) WHERE ID = NewID --------------------------------------- For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From sgd at ti3.com Fri Nov 10 16:33:58 2000 From: sgd at ti3.com (Scott Dexter) Date: Fri Nov 10 16:33:58 2000 Subject: [thelist] ASP: @@Identity Message-ID: <8C8B8745C0FE7A43BFA6CABAB321117223F6CE@gate.ti3.com> > Do you have any pointers to documentation that state > @@Identity is global, > not connection specific? From sam at sam-i-am.com Fri Nov 10 16:41:21 2000 From: sam at sam-i-am.com (Sam-I-Am) Date: Fri Nov 10 16:41:21 2000 Subject: [thelist] BG images in cells in NN References: <2B041FB28AA4D411A6B400508BFDF38F02F5F5@ORANGE> Message-ID: <3A0C7926.808CAB67@sam-i-am.com> > After much re-doing I finally got them all to work. It ended up being the > file name of the gif that was doing it (as far as I could tell -- that's > what worked). In my testing I wasn't able figure out what the offending > names were. that is truly wacky. If you are able to pin it down let us know. I can confirm having had problems using _images with transparency_ as table backgrounds before (in netscape). So that's something to check for. When testing this kind of thing, also bear in mind that in Netscape if something breaks -like a table background- earlier on in a page, other table backgrounds (that would otherwise be ok) may also be broken. This is kind of voodoo - I can reproduce this behaviour with radio background colors for example - but it's something I've had trouble with off and on with other things. The lessson is to test the most reduced case - single out exactly what you are testing and put that and that only on a page. Sorry this is a little fluffy :) > Are there certain names (or characters) that one shouldn't use when > assigning background images to cells in Netscape? I'm sticking my neck out and saying no, provided they are valid filenames, it should make no difference. Sam From marlene.bruce at colemandesign.com Fri Nov 10 17:10:18 2000 From: marlene.bruce at colemandesign.com (Marlene Bruce) Date: Fri Nov 10 17:10:18 2000 Subject: [thelist] BG images in cells in NN Message-ID: <93A7B5EFAA22D4119C8400105A9CA616265BDE@EXCHANGE> In earlier days, when I was more stupid than I am now, I made some asterisk images for a web site and named the files something like "*_b.gif" and "*_r.gif" (b=blue, r=red). They worked on my Mac. They puked on the server. Dunno if that might be a contributing factor in your table cell background image issue. As Sam said, "...provided they are valid filenames..." Marlene From asquier at exobox.com Fri Nov 10 17:24:48 2000 From: asquier at exobox.com (Adam Squier) Date: Fri Nov 10 17:24:48 2000 Subject: [thelist] BG images in cells in NN Message-ID: <2B041FB28AA4D411A6B400508BFDF38F02F5FD@ORANGE> > > After much re-doing I finally got them all to work. It > ended up being the > > file name of the gif that was doing it (as far as I could > tell -- that's > > what worked). In my testing I wasn't able figure out what > the offending > > names were. > > that is truly wacky. If you are able to pin it down let us know. > I can confirm having had problems using _images with transparency_ as > table backgrounds before (in netscape). > So that's something to check for. I _was_ using transparent GIFs as the background. Perhaps that's why I was having difficulties. > When testing this kind of thing, also bear in mind that in Netscape if > something breaks -like a table background- earlier on in a page, other > table backgrounds (that would otherwise be ok) may also be > broken. This > is kind of voodoo - I can reproduce this behaviour with radio > background > colors for example - but it's something I've had trouble with > off and on > with other things. I could substitute other GIFs that were working elsewhere and they'd display properly. Some were working at the top of the page, others at the bottom, but there were still some sticklers that didn't want to cooperate. The lessson is to test the most reduced > case - single > out exactly what you are testing and put that and that only > on a page. > > Sorry this is a little fluffy :) > > > Are there certain names (or characters) that one shouldn't use when > > assigning background images to cells in Netscape? > > I'm sticking my neck out and saying no, provided they are valid > filenames, it should make no difference. > > Sam And in the end, just changing the file name did the trick. As far as I know the file names were OK. Things like bottombg_left_03.gif and such. Needless to say, it was a frustrating day. But it's working now. Thanks for your insight. --Adam From mail at redhotsweeps.com Fri Nov 10 17:39:57 2000 From: mail at redhotsweeps.com (CDitty) Date: Fri Nov 10 17:39:57 2000 Subject: [thelist] Anyone here use Onelist/eGroups for their newsletters? Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20001110173554.0224c8a0@redhotsweeps.com> Well? Do ya? Thanks CDitty From webshot at neoncowboy.com Fri Nov 10 17:54:13 2000 From: webshot at neoncowboy.com (John Corry) Date: Fri Nov 10 17:54:13 2000 Subject: [thelist] hard won vector art tip... In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20001110173554.0224c8a0@redhotsweeps.com> Message-ID: I spent at least 3 hours on this and share it up so that you won't have to waste time with the same thing... This is probably platform dependant, but I'm using Windows 2000 with 1600x1200 screen res. When exporting from Illustrator 9 to .swf, the default ppi is 72. This seems good, considering all of the years of '72 dpi for the web' we've all endured. Problem is, that's not always true screen res. Mine is 96dpi. This makes things not line up quite right after the export. Specifically, I had all of this type within a path. It looked great in Illustrator, but when exported to Flash, the type overran its boundaries and ran all over itself. Solution: export at true screen res, 96dpi. have a good weekend, John Corry From dulcie at heritagecommunityfdn.org Fri Nov 10 17:58:21 2000 From: dulcie at heritagecommunityfdn.org (Dulcie Meatheringham) Date: Fri Nov 10 17:58:21 2000 Subject: [thelist] Anyone here use Onelist/eGroups for their newsletters? In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20001110173554.0224c8a0@redhotsweeps.com> Message-ID: CDitty wrote: > Well? Do ya? > > Thanks > > CDitty We've only sent out one newsletter so far, using SPAM: http://www.greenspun.com/spam/ It looked like ass. It's free, and it's easy for people to sign-up, though. I just need to learn how to format the message properly. I didn't test it before unleashing it on our poor subscribers. The E-Groups list we had proved to be too confusing for our audience. I am on several E-groups announce lists and they seem to work well, though people tend to complain about the ads included with every mail-out. Happy Friday! -Dulcie. -- Dulcie Meatheringham, Website Admin. (780) 424-6512, x227 http://www.heritagecommunityfdn.org Heritage Community Foundation http://www.albertaheritage.net Gateway to Alberta's Heritage http://collections.ic.gc.ca/alberta Alberta: How the West was Young From meredith at pintsize.com Fri Nov 10 18:00:16 2000 From: meredith at pintsize.com (Meredith Tupper) Date: Fri Nov 10 18:00:16 2000 Subject: [thelist] Anyone here use Onelist/eGroups for their newsletters? References: <5.0.0.25.2.20001110173554.0224c8a0@redhotsweeps.com> Message-ID: <3A0C8BDC.C38A57E0@pintsize.com> CDitty wrote: > Well? Do ya? I've used eGroups before. Easy enough and you can ditch the annoying ads if you pay. Meredith -- PintSize Graphics & Web Hosting, Inc. http://www.pintsize.com meredith at pintsize.com 3225 S. MacDill Ave. #208 Tampa, FL 33629 813-835-5382 From Joanna.N.Goslicka at aero.org Fri Nov 10 18:05:36 2000 From: Joanna.N.Goslicka at aero.org (Joanna.N.Goslicka at aero.org) Date: Fri Nov 10 18:05:36 2000 Subject: [thelist] frames disappearing/collapsing in IE Message-ID: this particular site is using frames which work fine in Netscape but disappear in Internet Explorer. they used Front Page for those pages - but as far as i can tell there is no code weirdness. what happens is this: in IE, unless the window is maximized, the frame pages collapse so that only the top and bottom banners show. The left column, and the largest frame, where text appears, are gone. Maximizing the window does fix it (sometimes), but the window must remain maximized. On Microsoft's help page, I did find some reference to this problem. MS suggests making sure there is NO code between the HEAD and FRAMESET of the document. those pages don't have any code there, so that didn't help. MS also suggests removing the BODY tag. The one time I did this, I assumed they meant the BODY tags from the FRAME PAGE html code (as opposed to the BODY tags on the individual pages that go into the frames). I tried it, and the result was that the page was viewed as collapsed whether I maximized the view or not. So, neither solution worked and I've never come across another solution. Short of redoing all our web pages to eliminate frames, are there any fixes? thanks! jo From taracleveland at hotmail.com Fri Nov 10 18:16:32 2000 From: taracleveland at hotmail.com (Tara Cleveland) Date: Fri Nov 10 18:16:32 2000 Subject: [thelist] Anchors going screwy in IE Message-ID: Hi Everyone! It's Friday night and I want to go home! Now that I've got that out of my system, I'm hoping one of you brilliant people can help me and a collegue with a dilemma. We've got a page with anchors linking to another page with #anchors in them. These pages work in Netscape on Mac and PC and IE on a PC, but not in IE (4.5 or 5) on a Mac. I've validated the code with BBEdit's validator and it checks out. It's driving us crazy. This is the link from the linking page: Kidney Transplantation And from the linked page:

KIDNEY TRANSPLANTATION

I'm sorry I can't provide more code or a page to view the problem (site's not live yet). So has anyone else had a similar problem or can see the problem here? Are we blind? Please reply directly to taracleveland at hotmail.com as I'm on digest. Thanks in advance, Tara _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From jaylard at equilon.com Fri Nov 10 18:20:04 2000 From: jaylard at equilon.com (Aylard JA (James)) Date: Fri Nov 10 18:20:04 2000 Subject: [thelist] frames disappearing/collapsing in IE Message-ID: <8B8252E8924BD31193D800805FE63E6D0104CCB8@mzrmsx02.newcos.com> Joanna, > this particular site is using frames which work fine in > Netscape but disappear in Internet Explorer. Can you post the frameset code or, better yet, a URL? James Aylard From mail at redhotsweeps.com Fri Nov 10 18:34:57 2000 From: mail at redhotsweeps.com (CDitty) Date: Fri Nov 10 18:34:57 2000 Subject: [thelist] Anyone here use Onelist/eGroups for their newsletters? In-Reply-To: <3A0C8BDC.C38A57E0@pintsize.com> References: <5.0.0.25.2.20001110173554.0224c8a0@redhotsweeps.com> Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20001110182904.00aa66a0@redhotsweeps.com> I have a list on eGroups, nothing fancy but I don't have to worry about actually maintaining it. The problem is that I think they were hacked early this am. My list and a few other lists received some weird email that pointed to a Turkish website. Problem is, my list is an announcement only list and that I am the only one that can post. This person spoofed my email address and the addresses of SEVERAL other lists belongs to friends. Just curious if anyone here had the same problem. CDitty At 05:59 PM 11/10/00, Meredith Tupper wrote: >CDitty wrote: > > > Well? Do ya? > >I've used eGroups before. Easy enough and you can ditch the >annoying ads if you pay. > >Meredith > >-- >PintSize Graphics & Web Hosting, Inc. >http://www.pintsize.com >meredith at pintsize.com >3225 S. MacDill Ave. #208 >Tampa, FL 33629 >813-835-5382 > > > >--------------------------------------- >For unsubscribe and other options, including >the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: >http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From mpgalvin at eircom.net Fri Nov 10 18:42:45 2000 From: mpgalvin at eircom.net (Michael Galvin) Date: Fri Nov 10 18:42:45 2000 Subject: [thelist] Java/JS/DHTML scroller for ASP Message-ID: <00ba01c04b78$eb1a4520$e1e2869f@mpgalvin> Anyone know of a good Jave applet or similiar that will scroll text up within a set area. It has to have the following: 1. be free 2. support ASP (I want to build the contents of the scolling section on the fly) 3. not work from an external file (I have one that does this, but I couldn't for the life of me figure out how to create the external file "on the fly") 4. support links. Ideally, the link would change colour when it is hovered over. 5. pause when mouseover 6. support long lines that wrap (ie., it shouldn't matter how long the line is) There you go! Not asking for much, am I? TIA Michael From bmonchka at hotmail.com Fri Nov 10 20:25:59 2000 From: bmonchka at hotmail.com (Barret A Monchka) Date: Fri Nov 10 20:25:59 2000 Subject: [thelist] image rollovers Message-ID: I was looking for javascript code for an image rollover script. I would prefer to have the rollover be called as a javascript function and have it really easy to set up. Does anybody have javascript code for an image rollover (in a function) ? Thanks, Barret _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From jeff at members.evolt.org Fri Nov 10 20:40:11 2000 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (jeff) Date: Fri Nov 10 20:40:11 2000 Subject: [thelist] image rollovers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: barret, :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : From: Barret A Monchka : : I was looking for javascript code for an image rollover : script. I would prefer to have the rollover be called as : a javascript function and have it really easy to set up. : Does anybody have javascript code for an image : rollover (in a function) ? :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://lists.evolt.org/oldarchive/Week-of-Mon-19990920/004413.html and a working example here: http://members.evolt.org/jeff/code/preload_n_rollover/ good luck, .jeff name://jeff.howden game://web.development http://www.evolt.org/ mailto:jeff at members.evolt.org From drgo at zoomnet.net Fri Nov 10 20:44:32 2000 From: drgo at zoomnet.net (CapDragon) Date: Fri Nov 10 20:44:32 2000 Subject: [thelist] Anyone here use Onelist/eGroups for their newsletters? In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20001110173554.0224c8a0@redhotsweeps.com> Message-ID: Yes, I do - May I ask why YOU ask ??? -----Original Message----- From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of CDitty Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 3:37 PM To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: [thelist] Anyone here use Onelist/eGroups for their newsletters? Well? Do ya? Thanks CDitty --------------------------------------- For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From Anthony at Baratta.com Fri Nov 10 21:50:19 2000 From: Anthony at Baratta.com (Anthony Baratta) Date: Fri Nov 10 21:50:19 2000 Subject: [thelist] ASP: @@Identity References: <8C8B8745C0FE7A43BFA6CABAB321117223F6CE@gate.ti3.com> Message-ID: <3A0CBDBF.219E8C89@Baratta.com> Thanks!!! I also found this. http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q163/4/46.asp -- Anthony Baratta President KeyBoard Jockeys South Park Speaks Version 3 is here!!! http://www.baratta.com/southpark Powered by Tsunami From mail at redhotsweeps.com Fri Nov 10 21:56:23 2000 From: mail at redhotsweeps.com (CDitty) Date: Fri Nov 10 21:56:23 2000 Subject: [thelist] Anyone here use Onelist/eGroups for their newsletters? In-Reply-To: References: <5.0.0.25.2.20001110173554.0224c8a0@redhotsweeps.com> Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20001110214622.0250aeb0@redhotsweeps.com> Because my list and a few others I know about were hacked last night. I was curious if anyone else that had a eGroups list had theirs hacked too. At 11:44 PM 11/10/00, you wrote: >Yes, I do - May I ask why YOU ask ??? > >-----Original Message----- >From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org >[mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of CDitty >Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 3:37 PM >To: thelist at lists.evolt.org >Subject: [thelist] Anyone here use Onelist/eGroups for their >newsletters? > > >Well? Do ya? > >Thanks > >CDitty > > >--------------------------------------- >For unsubscribe and other options, including >the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: >http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! > > > >--------------------------------------- >For unsubscribe and other options, including >the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: >http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From rwd at csi1st.net Fri Nov 10 22:46:34 2000 From: rwd at csi1st.net (Ron Dorman) Date: Fri Nov 10 22:46:34 2000 Subject: [thelist] htaccess and subdirectories Message-ID: <3A0CCFE9.5E93E7D5@csi1st.net> I have set up htaccess and it functioning very well except for one detail. We have a subdirectory within our site that is protected. When a link to that area is clicked, the authentication challenge is presented. We have two levels of access: first level lets the user see a listing of all subdirectories (mini-sites) within the directory and select one of those links to the subdirectories, second level redirects the user to one of the subdirectories and lets them see nothing else. If you are a level one user all is well, you authenticate one time and the page is displayed, select a subdirectory link and you go there. If you are level two user, the authentication challenge is presented twice. The user gets the right page but has to enter uid/pw two times. I have read documentation and how-to's 'till my eyes are bleeding!!!! found no solution. Can any of you wonderful wizards shed some light on this for me? Thanks, Ron D. From Anthony at Baratta.com Fri Nov 10 23:00:21 2000 From: Anthony at Baratta.com (Anthony Baratta) Date: Fri Nov 10 23:00:21 2000 Subject: [thelist] htaccess and subdirectories References: <3A0CCFE9.5E93E7D5@csi1st.net> Message-ID: <3A0CD272.CA4A9BAE@Baratta.com> Ron Dorman wrote: > > one of the subdirectories and lets them see nothing else. If you are a > level one user all is well, you authenticate one time and the page is > displayed, select a subdirectory link and you go there. If you are > level two user, the authentication challenge is presented twice. The > user gets the right page but has to enter uid/pw two times. Are the "realms" exactly the same?? Can we see the two .htaccess file (obfuscated of course). -- Anthony Baratta President KeyBoard Jockeys South Park Speaks Version 3 is here!!! http://www.baratta.com/southpark Powered by Tsunami From peter at hammar.ch Sat Nov 11 03:51:22 2000 From: peter at hammar.ch (Peter Hammar) Date: Sat Nov 11 03:51:22 2000 Subject: [thelist] Java/JS/DHTML scroller for ASP Message-ID: <004601c04bc4$f972d6e0$0f2823d4@vectra> >Anyone know of a good Jave applet or similiar that will scroll text up >within a set area. It has to have the following: > >1. be free >2. support ASP (I want to build the contents of the scolling section on the >fly) >3. not work from an external file (I have one that does this, but I couldn't >for the life of me figure out how to create the external file "on the fly") >4. support links. Ideally, the link would change colour when it is hovered >over. >5. pause when mouseover >6. support long lines that wrap (ie., it shouldn't matter how long the line >is) Hi, here's one: http://www.bratta.com/dhtml/scripts.asp?url=scripts/scripts.asp?id=3&ac=25&o rder=created the scrolling content is in a layer so you can put anything in it it works in: NN4 IE4 IE5 HTH From oliver at lineham.co.nz Sat Nov 11 04:14:07 2000 From: oliver at lineham.co.nz (Oliver Lineham) Date: Sat Nov 11 04:14:07 2000 Subject: [thelist] 16-bit IE3 (was IE4 and IE5) In-Reply-To: <01b001c03a19$44214b80$a17ffea9@athlon800> References: <3.0.6.32.20001019201604.007a8790@pop.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20001111230631.00aa6b00@mail.paradise.net.nz> At 23:00 19/10/2000 +0100, you wrote: >After a normal installation of 3.03.2925 corrupted my IE5, I searched a >stack of ancient ISP trial disk, found 3.0a.1563 and 'installed' it by >extracting the files from the .cab (NOT running the install program). I've always used 3.0.1152, have always used the install program, and have never had any trouble. It's never caused any problem to installations of IE4 or IE5. I've used it under Win95, Win98, and Win2k. I feel comfortable recommending this version to anyone. ____________________________________________________ v i b e m e d i a http://www.vibe.co.nz/ po box 10-492 wellington, new zealand phone +64 21 210-7845 oliver at lineham.co.nz From madhu at asiacontent.com Sat Nov 11 05:53:38 2000 From: madhu at asiacontent.com (Madhu Menon) Date: Sat Nov 11 05:53:38 2000 Subject: [thelist] Anyone here use Onelist/eGroups for their newsletters? In-Reply-To: <20001111101412.6FD4D1BE04@relay.evolt.org> Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20001111162117.0300e778@200.200.200.111> At 03:44 PM 11/11/2000, thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org penned the following words: >Well? Do ya? Well, I have done so in the past. I've used it for both hobby groups as well as a web site's large newsletter base (45000 people). What is it you want to know? Onelist etc. are fine if your subscriber base is small and manageable. But I wouldn't recommend it for large mailing lists. The Webmonster web design list lost a lot of people when they switched to Topica (I was one of them). I would be able to better answer your question if I had more specific use requirements (does that sound too formal? ;) Cheers, Madhu <<< * >>> Madhu Menon Webmaster, India.CNET.com http://India.CNET.com The source for computers and technology {* Stay on top of the wired world. *} Subscribe to India.CNET.com newsletters http://India.CNET.com/Subscription From ppk at xs4all.nl Sat Nov 11 06:40:11 2000 From: ppk at xs4all.nl (Peter-Paul Koch) Date: Sat Nov 11 06:40:11 2000 Subject: [thelist] CSS & Netscape Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20001111134228.007e47f0@pop.xs4all.nl> >The box, a div, has a 1px border with a colored inner body. In Netscape, >it shows the border and then about 2px of whitespace, showing the text >underneath the box, and then the colored inner body. How do I get rid of >that white space? I've tried adjusting the margin and adjusting the >padding but neither works. Add layer-background-color: #cccc99; to the style sheet. ppk From michele at wordpro.on.ca Sat Nov 11 08:02:28 2000 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Sat Nov 11 08:02:28 2000 Subject: [thelist] Style Sheet Problem with links... Message-ID: <006901c04be8$1209c560$450d9ad8@michelef> Morning everyone, I'm trying to get a link to be a different colour (i.e. LIGHT) on a dark background on half of my site. All works fine in IE, the links on dark are light, and the links on light are dark (default). But, NS, nope, it is ignoring the class and using the default. Can anyone see what I've done wrong please. Style sheet, A,a.light:link {text-decoration: underline; font-weight: bold; color: #FFFF99; background: #9999CC;} A,a.light:active {text-decoration: none; font-weight: bold; color: #FFFF99; background: #9999CC;} A,a.light:visited {text-decoration: underline; font-weight: bold; color: #FFFF99; background: #9999CC;} A,a.light:hover {text-decoration: none; font-weight: bold; color: #FFFF99; background: #9999CC;} A,a:link {text-decoration: underline; font-weight: bold; color: #000099; background: #FFFFFF;} A,a:visited {text-decoration: underline; font-weight: bold; color: #9999CC; background: #FFFFFF;} A,a:active {text-decoration: none; font-weight: bold; color: #000099; background: #FFFFFF;} A,a:hover {text-decoration: none; font-weight: bold; color: #000099; background: #FFFFFF;} Links in text, For the light version only works in IE (NS takes on default): My Link For the default version works in IE and NS: My Link Any ideas?? TIA, Michele ___________________________ Michele Foster WordPro Services Aurora, Ontario, Canada mailto:michele at wordpro.on.ca http://wordpro.on.ca/ From michele at wordpro.on.ca Sat Nov 11 08:06:39 2000 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Sat Nov 11 08:06:39 2000 Subject: [thelist] More Info on Style Sheet Problem Message-ID: <007801c04be8$a7082a80$450d9ad8@michelef> Hi Again, I just realized, it appears that NS is ignoring the "default" style sheet too. All links are blue, when active they turn RED, and then go back to the same blue. I don't have RED in my style at all. :( TIA Michele ___________________________ Michele Foster WordPro Services Aurora, Ontario, Canada mailto:michele at wordpro.on.ca http://wordpro.on.ca/ From bekah at nightvisions.com Sat Nov 11 08:25:09 2000 From: bekah at nightvisions.com (Rebekah Murphy) Date: Sat Nov 11 08:25:09 2000 Subject: [thelist] Style Sheet Problem with links... References: <006901c04be8$1209c560$450d9ad8@michelef> Message-ID: <3A0D56DB.2B9525EE@nightvisions.com> Michele Foster wrote: > > But, NS, nope, it is ignoring the class and using the default. Can anyone > see what I've done wrong please. > > Style sheet, > > A,a.light:link {text-decoration: underline; font-weight: bold; color: > #FFFF99; background: #9999CC;} (snip) Try taking out the A, from the styles. The browsers should just ignore capitulation. As to your red active links, what is specified in the BODY tag? -Bekah From michele at wordpro.on.ca Sat Nov 11 09:02:34 2000 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Sat Nov 11 09:02:34 2000 Subject: [thelist] Style Sheet Problem with links... SOLVED References: <006901c04be8$1209c560$450d9ad8@michelef> <3A0D56DB.2B9525EE@nightvisions.com> Message-ID: <000401c04bf0$71135320$f90b9ad8@michelef> Thanks Bekah, It was the large "A," that was messing it up. Now it is working fine. For whatever reason, NS still ignores the a:active in the stylesheet and makes it red, but I just added the alink in the body tag and it is fine. I had deleted all of the links in the body tag trying to sort this out. Thanks again, Michele > > Style sheet, > > > > A,a.light:link {text-decoration: underline; font-weight: bold; color: > > #FFFF99; background: #9999CC;} > (snip) > > Try taking out the A, from the styles. The browsers should just ignore > capitulation. As to your red active links, what is specified in the BODY tag? > > -Bekah From bharoche at usa.net Sat Nov 11 09:02:49 2000 From: bharoche at usa.net (Bob Haroche) Date: Sat Nov 11 09:02:49 2000 Subject: [thelist] Anyone here use Onelist/eGroups for their newsletters? References: Message-ID: <00b401c04bf0$8592d280$5a96ccd1@desktop> > The E-Groups list we had proved to be too confusing for our audience. The egroups sign up is confusing because they provide you a sign up form code to place on your page, but submitting that form only sends the user to the home page of your egroups where they again have to sign up (this time for real). A work around is to use your own sign up form which calls a mail form script which sends a blank email to: your_egroup-subscribe at egroups.com. That makes unnecessary the user having to visit the egroups site altogether. > people tend to complain about the ads included with every mail-out. You can have them removed for $60/year. All in all, egroups has been okay for me. But forget about trying to ever speak with a real person there. It's one more web business that thinks it's so great it doesn't need anything more than an appearance of customer support -- even for their paying customers. The one time I really had to speak to a human, I had to do a whois lookup for Yahoo, their parent company, call them and then work my way through their bureaucracy to reach an egroups person. From bharoche at usa.net Sat Nov 11 09:06:15 2000 From: bharoche at usa.net (Bob Haroche) Date: Sat Nov 11 09:06:15 2000 Subject: [thelist] htaccess and subdirectories References: <3A0CCFE9.5E93E7D5@csi1st.net> Message-ID: <00c401c04bf1$00808c80$5a96ccd1@desktop> If you're trying to access a protected directory, add a trailing slash to the end of your URL. So... www.mydomain.com/protected will trigger the uid/pw dialogue box twice but www.mydomain.com/protected/ will trigger it only once. There's a technical reason why this is, but I forget it. HTH. From peter at vardus.com Sat Nov 11 09:59:29 2000 From: peter at vardus.com (Peter Van Dijck) Date: Sat Nov 11 09:59:29 2000 Subject: [thelist] spammers In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20001111230631.00aa6b00@mail.paradise.net.nz> References: <01b001c03a19$44214b80$a17ffea9@athlon800> <3.0.6.32.20001019201604.007a8790@pop.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <4.3.2.20001111155913.027f4e70@smtp.vardus.net> http://www.monkeys.com/wpoison/why.html anyone ever used this? It generates fake pages full of fake emails for the spam harvest robots. I just wonder will it trap search engine robots and if so will I be punished for that? Peter From dan at freelancers.net Sat Nov 11 11:29:05 2000 From: dan at freelancers.net (Dan Winchester) Date: Sat Nov 11 11:29:05 2000 Subject: [thelist] Sendmail and Perl mystery Message-ID: Hi, I have written a forum which takes mail delivered to sendmail and pipes it into a perl script which drops the contents into a database for later distribution. The script seems to be executing from start to finish with no problems, but then it leaves an instance of perl running. Eventually I get tens of instances running, which I have to kill off manually. I'm piping other mails into scripts without this happening. Has anyone else experienced anything like this? Or does anyone have any tips on where to start looking for the cause? I'm not overly experienced in this area so feel free to be patronising. Suggestions much appreciated. Here is the script: http://www.ukshopsearch.com/script.txt BTW, OS is Redhate Linux 6.2. Cheers Dan Freelancers.net From bekah at nightvisions.com Sat Nov 11 11:35:51 2000 From: bekah at nightvisions.com (Rebekah Murphy) Date: Sat Nov 11 11:35:51 2000 Subject: [thelist] RE: CSS/Font size/MAC IE 5.0 References: Message-ID: <3A0D838E.8D47BA3E@nightvisions.com> Mark Green wrote: > > If you set the font size to pixels rather than points (Xpx vs Xpt), it > should prevent it from resizing in Mac IE 5.0. Not that I think you should > do that very often... Nope, it is a feature, not a bug, of Mac IE 5 that ALL text is resizable. It does not matter how the styles are defined. You have two choices: 1) make every bit of text on your page an image (yuck) or 2) relax and let users with bad eyesight make the text large enough to read. What's worse, having a site that looks exactly as you imagined it but is completely illegible, or having the design modified slightly by the end user so that they can see the content? -Bekah From mwarden at odyssey-design.com Sat Nov 11 12:58:35 2000 From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Sat Nov 11 12:58:35 2000 Subject: [thelist] spammers References: <01b001c03a19$44214b80$a17ffea9@athlon800><3.0.6.32.20001019201604.007a8790@pop.xs4all.nl> <4.3.2.20001111155913.027f4e70@smtp.vardus.net> Message-ID: <002d01c04c11$64bf7d80$647b5acf@mwardenlaptop> from their site: "The first problem was the potentially bad effects that Wpoison might have on legitimate web crawlers, such as those used by the major web search engine companies, and the related secondary negative effects which those primary negative effects might have on any Wpoison user site which had high hopes of being well and truly cataloged by the major search engine companies. This problem was trivially eliminated by including code in Wpoison which causes each Wpoison-generated randomized web page to carry a clear indication (for the benefit of legitimate web crawlers) that the page in question should not be cataloged in any way. Basically, Wpoison now merely makes proper use of the (pre-existing) Robot Exclusion Protocol. Use of this protocol (and the associated ``off limits'' markers) within all web pages generated by Wpoison serves to insure both that (a) legitimate[1] web crawlers will not get all caught up in repeatedly reading thousands (or millions) of randomized garbage pages generated by Wpoison and that (b) the legitimate search engine companies will still be able to successfully add your web site to their data bases. .... [footnotes] [1] ... Legitimate web crawlers, such as those used by the major search engine companies do always obey the standardized and widely accepted Robot Exclusion Protocol, and they take its use, on any given web page, as a clear and unambiguous ``keep out'' sign. Spammers who are trawling for e-mail address on the other hand have no incentive whatsoever to skip any web pages that might contain valuable fresh e-mail addresses ... In fact it is this reckless behavior that Wpoison relies upon... It should be noted however that since the development of the first publically-released version of Wpoison, spammers have been starting to catch on to the fact that their own stupidity and greediness in reading all web pages, even when they have been warned off, was in fact causing them more harm than good. Because of this the author of Wpoison now believes that many (and perhaps even a majority) of the spammer's address harvesting web crawlers have now been reprogrammed so that they now do obey the standard Robot Exclusion Protocol... The author of Wpoison nowadays strongly advises (to all who will listen) that all web pages containing real e-mail addresses should in fact be marked as being ``off limits'' via the standard Robot Exclusion Protocol, both now and into the forseeable future." hth, -- mattwarden mattwarden.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Van Dijck To: Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2000 10:59 AM Subject: [thelist] spammers > http://www.monkeys.com/wpoison/why.html > anyone ever used this? It generates fake pages full of fake emails for the > spam harvest robots. I just wonder will it trap search engine robots and if > so will I be punished for that? > Peter > > > --------------------------------------- > For unsubscribe and other options, including > the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: > http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From framar at interlog.com Sat Nov 11 20:14:18 2000 From: framar at interlog.com (Frank) Date: Sat Nov 11 20:14:18 2000 Subject: [thelist] CF: Style or Spec? Message-ID: I've been looking at other people's work, and I often see something like this: whereas I have a tendency to use It's been my experience that a value within a tag is generally evaluated, even without the use of pound signs. I tend to omit the pound signs to favour legibility. Which of the two are a better style? Are there definite advantages to including the pounds? Does not/including the pounds a violation of spec? Thanks. -- Frank Marion Loofah Communications frank at loofahcom.com http://www.loofahcom.com From rob at bigbang.net.au Sat Nov 11 22:38:15 2000 From: rob at bigbang.net.au (Rob Keniger) Date: Sat Nov 11 22:38:15 2000 Subject: [thelist] CF: Style or Spec? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: on 11/12/00 12:14 PM, Frank at framar at interlog.com wrote: > It's been my experience that a value within a tag is generally > evaluated, even without the use of pound signs. I tend to omit the > pound signs to favour legibility. Which of the two are a better > style? Are there definite advantages to including the pounds? Does > not/including the pounds a violation of spec? Including the pound signs is old syntax but still valid. Allaire now recommends you NOT use the pound signs within CF tag statements. There is a knowledgebase article to this effect on their site. -- Rob Keniger big bang solutions From lisa at koolfish.com Sun Nov 12 04:30:14 2000 From: lisa at koolfish.com (Lisa Bartholomew) Date: Sun Nov 12 04:30:14 2000 Subject: [thelist] re-table cell alignment problem Message-ID: Thanks for the suggestions. I still keep hitting those little snags with the more sites I get to do. Lisa Keyboard shortcut: If you need to paste the value in a single field to the next record while you are entering data, you can quickly copy the value from the corresponding field in the previous record to the new record by pressing CTRL + ' (apostrophe) From ronwhite at lists.evolt.org Sun Nov 12 08:26:09 2000 From: ronwhite at lists.evolt.org (Ron White) Date: Sun Nov 12 08:26:09 2000 Subject: [thelist] spammers In-Reply-To: <002d01c04c11$64bf7d80$647b5acf@mwardenlaptop> Message-ID: on any given web page, as a clear and unambiguous ``keep out'' sign. What is the proper meta tag for this? Ron From mail at redhotsweeps.com Sun Nov 12 12:19:35 2000 From: mail at redhotsweeps.com (CDitty) Date: Sun Nov 12 12:19:35 2000 Subject: [thelist] SQL command help Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20001112121308.020feeb0@redhotsweeps.com> I need to search through 2 sql tables and fine 1 entry that is missing. I know how to compare the two tables together where they match, but how can I get where they don't? Here is the sql for what I know how to do. select bonus_plays.user_id, lottouser.id from bonus_plays, lottouser where bonus_plays.user_id = lottouser.id All I need to do is find the 1 row that is missing from the bonus_plays table. Can anyone help? Thanks Chris From mwarden at odyssey-design.com Sun Nov 12 14:13:21 2000 From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Sun Nov 12 14:13:21 2000 Subject: [thelist] SQL command help References: <5.0.0.25.2.20001112121308.020feeb0@redhotsweeps.com> Message-ID: <006301c04ce4$e7bdbd40$9aee00cf@mwardenlaptop> Chris, I always screw up the syntax for outer joins, but I'll give it a shot... > Here is the sql for what I know how to do. > select bonus_plays.user_id, lottouser.id > from bonus_plays, lottouser > where bonus_plays.user_id = lottouser.id > > All I need to do is find the 1 row that is missing from the bonus_plays > table. Can anyone help? select bonus_plays.user_id from lottouser right join bonus_plays on bonus_plays.user_id = lottouser.id where lottouser.id is null Also, note that I got rid of the second column you were returning since, by declaration, bonus_plays.user_ID has to be the same as lottouser.id (except where they don't match, which is why i chose to return bonus_plays.user_id). In the even that I did get the syntax wrong, I was attempting to include all rows from bonus_plays matched up to all the rows in lottouser. Where there is not a matching row in lottouser, the returned column(s) will be NULL. So, to find the unmatched column, you must put in a where clause that searches for a null column in the matched table. Hopefully the real DB gurus will only be one or two into their Sunday brews if what I suggested fails. hth a bit, -- mattwarden mattwarden.com From r937 at interlog.com Sun Nov 12 15:20:47 2000 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Sun Nov 12 15:20:47 2000 Subject: [thelist] SQL command help Message-ID: <01c04cee$891ed300$8f46149a@default> > Hopefully the real DB gurus will only be one or two into > their Sunday brews if what I suggested fails. i usualyy stop countng after three (hic) when the nfl is on ;o) chris, matt's way does work -- use an outer join and check for null here's your original join query, using A and B as table names so that they stand out a bit more -- select A.user_id, B.id from A, B where A.user_id = B.id your question was to find the row that's missing from A matt's suggestion was select A.user_id from B right join A on A.user_id = B.id where B.id is null matt is definitely on the right track, he just got the tables backwards ;o) if you want to find the row that's missing from A, you need to return the key from B that doesn't match any row from A, in other words you have to return the B.id field as to whether you should say "A left join B" or "B right join A" this depends on which table you want "all the rows" from by definition, an outer join gets all the rows from one table, plus any matching rows from the other table, with nulls in the columns where no matching row was found therefore if you are looking for rows of B that don't have matching rows of A -- which was your original question, chris -- then you need "B left join A" notice that it is the left or right "direction" which "points at" the table that you want "all the rows" from so you can also say "A right join B" which is the same as "B left join A" -- get it? anyhow, there is an even better way ;o) chris wanted *only the missing* rows, so a NOT EXISTS query is perfect select id from B where NOT EXISTS (select 1 from A where userid = B.id) the nice part about the NOT EXISTS syntax is that it is easier to understand -- what is *not * required is isolated -- whereas the full outer join with null check is more, um, subtle as to what you are really after also, the database optimizer can do stuff like look in an index and see a record id and therefore *not retrieve* the actual row -- so NOT EXISTS syntax executes better the west coast games should be well into the first quarter, so we now return you to your regularly scheduled beer... rudy From martin.p.burns at uk.pwcglobal.com Sun Nov 12 16:00:00 2000 From: martin.p.burns at uk.pwcglobal.com (martin.p.burns at uk.pwcglobal.com) Date: Sun Nov 12 16:00:00 2000 Subject: [thelist] hard won vector art tip... Message-ID: <80256995.0078AED0.00@uk-emamta003.ema.pwcinternal.com> Memo from Martin P Burns of PricewaterhouseCoopers -------------------- Start of message text -------------------- John This is only true for Windows MS can't read standards. They 'misread' standard screen res as 96dpi, not 72dpi, and accordingly ensured that Windows fonts are always too big (relative to standard). This is why many (designed on Windows) sites are unreadable on (standards-compliant) Macs. If only the [em] measurement worked in css... Cheers Martin Please respond to thelist at lists.evolt.org To: thelist at lists.evolt.org cc: Subject: [thelist] hard won vector art tip... When exporting from Illustrator 9 to .swf, the default ppi is 72. This seems good, considering all of the years of '72 dpi for the web' we've all endured. Problem is, that's not always true screen res. Mine is 96dpi. This makes things not line up quite right after the export. Specifically, I had all of this type within a path. It looked great in Illustrator, but when exported to Flash, the type overran its boundaries and ran all over itself. Solution: export at true screen res, 96dpi. --------------------- End of message text -------------------- The principal place of business of PricewaterhouseCoopers and its associate partnerships is 1 Embankment Place, London WC2N 6NN where lists of the partners' names are available for inspection. All partners in the associate partnerships are authorised to conduct business as agents of, and all contracts for services to clients are with, PricewaterhouseCoopers. The UK firm of PricewaterhouseCoopers is authorised by the Institute of Chartered Accountants in England and Wales to carry on investment business. PricewaterhouseCoopers is a member of the world-wide PricewaterhouseCoopers organisation. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From mail at redhotsweeps.com Sun Nov 12 17:18:14 2000 From: mail at redhotsweeps.com (CDitty) Date: Sun Nov 12 17:18:14 2000 Subject: [thelist] SQL command help In-Reply-To: <01c04cee$891ed300$8f46149a@default> Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20001112165913.00ab9d20@redhotsweeps.com> Thanks Rudy. Guess you might have had one to many beers. :^) Got the following error. select id from lottouser where NOT EXISTS (select user_id from bonus_plays where user_id = lottouser.id) MySQL said: You have an error in your SQL syntax near 'EXISTS (select user_id from bonus_plays where user_id = l' at line 4 Any tips? Thanks Chris At 03:21 PM 11/12/00, you wrote: > > Hopefully the real DB gurus will only be one or two into > > their Sunday brews if what I suggested fails. > > >i usualyy stop countng after three (hic) when the nfl is on > >;o) > >chris, matt's way does work -- use an outer join and check for null > >here's your original join query, using A and B as table names so that they >stand out a bit more -- > > select A.user_id, B.id > from A, B > where A.user_id = B.id > >your question was to find the row that's missing from A > >matt's suggestion was > > select A.user_id > from B right join A > on A.user_id = B.id > where B.id is null > >matt is definitely on the right track, he just got the tables backwards >;o) > >if you want to find the row that's missing from A, you need to return the >key from B that doesn't match any row from A, in other words you have to >return the B.id field > >as to whether you should say "A left join B" or "B right join A" this >depends on which table you want "all the rows" from > >by definition, an outer join gets all the rows from one table, plus any >matching rows from the other table, with nulls in the columns where no >matching row was found > >therefore if you are looking for rows of B that don't have matching rows of >A -- which was your original question, chris -- then you need "B left join >A" > >notice that it is the left or right "direction" which "points at" the table >that you want "all the rows" from > >so you can also say "A right join B" which is the same as "B left join >A" -- get it? > > >anyhow, there is an even better way ;o) > >chris wanted *only the missing* rows, so a NOT EXISTS query is perfect > > select id > from B > where > NOT EXISTS > (select 1 from A > where userid = B.id) > >the nice part about the NOT EXISTS syntax is that it is easier to >understand -- what is *not * required is isolated -- whereas the full outer >join with null check is more, um, subtle as to what you are really after > >also, the database optimizer can do stuff like look in an index and see a >record id and therefore *not retrieve* the actual row -- so NOT EXISTS >syntax executes better > > > >the west coast games should be well into the first quarter, so we now >return you to your regularly scheduled beer... > > >rudy > > >--------------------------------------- >For unsubscribe and other options, including >the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: >http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From r937 at interlog.com Sun Nov 12 17:30:35 2000 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Sun Nov 12 17:30:35 2000 Subject: [thelist] SQL command help Message-ID: <01c04d00$90506320$3e42149a@default> > MySQL said: You have an error in your SQL syntax near 'EXISTS > > > Any tips? um, get a real database? sorry, couldn't resist ;o) mysql doesn't do subqueries hey, don't blame me use the outer join, testing for nulls rudy From mail at redhotsweeps.com Sun Nov 12 18:03:03 2000 From: mail at redhotsweeps.com (CDitty) Date: Sun Nov 12 18:03:03 2000 Subject: [thelist] SQL command help In-Reply-To: <01c04d00$90506320$3e42149a@default> Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20001112174228.036435f0@redhotsweeps.com> I'll gladly get a real database if you will donate to the cause. ;^) Thanks for the help though. Have a beer on me. Chris At 05:30 PM 11/12/00, you wrote: > > MySQL said: You have an error in your SQL syntax near 'EXISTS > > > > > Any tips? > > >um, get a real database? > >sorry, couldn't resist ;o) > > >mysql doesn't do subqueries > >hey, don't blame me > > > >use the outer join, testing for nulls > > >rudy > > >--------------------------------------- >For unsubscribe and other options, including >the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: >http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From jeff at members.evolt.org Sun Nov 12 20:53:05 2000 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (jeff) Date: Sun Nov 12 20:53:05 2000 Subject: [thelist] CF: Style or Spec? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: frank, :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : From: Frank : : I've been looking at other people's work, and I : often see something like this: : : : : whereas I have a tendency to use : : :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ the second method is the correct method and by far the easiest to read. while it seems generally true that you don't have to hash cf variables when they're used within cf tags, this is not always the case. the exception is when the attribute of a tag is expecting a string, number, or list and you're passing that in with a variable. in order for it to evaluate it to the variables value you'd have to hash it up. on the contrary, the rule holds fast all the time with , , and . all the rest of the tags are a toss-up. you're best figuring out what each tag is expecting and committing that to memory. fwiw, omitting the double-quotes from around a cf tags attribute value will not automatically make the cf server parse it as a variable. for example, the code below may not look identical, but it will be executed by the server in exactly the same fashion. of course the hope when using the above code is that the variable, user, will be initialized as a structure. however, it will actually get initialized with the string "StructNew()" as it's value. the proper way, and the only way to get it to work, is to wrap the cf function in hashes. another example where hashes are necessary :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : It's been my experience that a value within a tag is : generally evaluated, even without the use of pound : signs. I tend to omit the pound signs to favour legibility. :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ proper use is to omit hashes where not necessary. be careful where you omit them though. :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : Which of the two are a better style? :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ better style (and the correct style) is to omit hashes. it also shows that you're a more experienced cf programmer and understand the parser's requirements. newbies will generally hash up everything. :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : Are there definite advantages to including the pounds? :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ only where they're absolutely necessary. :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : Does not/including the pounds a violation of spec? :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ no, if anything i think the cf server will get more particular about syntax in the future. hope this helps, .jeff name://jeff.howden game://web.development http://www.evolt.org/ mailto:jeff at members.evolt.org From bmonchka at hotmail.com Sun Nov 12 21:24:45 2000 From: bmonchka at hotmail.com (Barret A Monchka) Date: Sun Nov 12 21:24:45 2000 Subject: [thelist] Acrobat .pdf Message-ID: Hello, I need to have an Adobe Acrobat .pdf file available on my web site. My web site is opened in its own window with its very own dimensions and I do not want the file to be loaded in that window. Is there any way I could make this file only available to download, and not available to be viewed online? Or could I make sure that the file is loaded in it's very own window. TIA, Barret _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From jayfitz at bayou.com Sun Nov 12 21:28:23 2000 From: jayfitz at bayou.com (Jay Fitzgerald) Date: Sun Nov 12 21:28:23 2000 Subject: [thelist] onLoad Message-ID: <3A0F5F3C.DE79A07E@bayou.com> Does anyone know how to have two seperate onLoad events for two seperate scripts? From mwarden at odyssey-design.com Sun Nov 12 21:32:07 2000 From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Sun Nov 12 21:32:07 2000 Subject: [thelist] onLoad References: <3A0F5F3C.DE79A07E@bayou.com> Message-ID: <016c01c04d22$1e59c3c0$9aee00cf@mwardenlaptop> do you mean: ? If so, the number is limited only to the client's memory. -- mattwarden mattwarden.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Jay Fitzgerald To: Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2000 10:25 PM Subject: [thelist] onLoad > Does anyone know how to have two seperate onLoad events for two seperate > scripts? > > > --------------------------------------- > For unsubscribe and other options, including > the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: > http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From mfischer at e-fishsolutions.com Sun Nov 12 21:34:23 2000 From: mfischer at e-fishsolutions.com (Matthew Fischer) Date: Sun Nov 12 21:34:23 2000 Subject: [thelist] onLoad In-Reply-To: <3A0F5F3C.DE79A07E@bayou.com> Message-ID: <20001112223453-r01010600-cd24415c@24.18.139.115> Just seperate them with a semi-colon: On 11/12/00 at 9:25 PM, jayfitz at bayou.com (Jay Fitzgerald) wrote: > Does anyone know how to have two seperate onLoad events for two seperate > scripts? > > > --------------------------------------- > For unsubscribe and other options, including > the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: > http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! -- Matt Fischer || e-fish solutions, inc (e) \\\\\__ o (e) / o \ o (e) (( < 877.WEB.FISH || 203.272.2987 (e) \+_+_+_/ Fax 800.203.5816 (e) \|/ From lwkraemer at earthlink.net Sun Nov 12 21:34:29 2000 From: lwkraemer at earthlink.net (Lon.Kraemer) Date: Sun Nov 12 21:34:29 2000 Subject: [thelist] onLoad References: <3A0F5F3C.DE79A07E@bayou.com> Message-ID: <002701c04d23$58b93220$c57d1d26@lonnie> separate functions with a semi-colon. onload="firstfunction();secondfunction()" ----- Original Message ----- From: Jay Fitzgerald To: Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2000 8:25 PM Subject: [thelist] onLoad > Does anyone know how to have two seperate onLoad events for two seperate > scripts? > > > --------------------------------------- > For unsubscribe and other options, including > the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: > http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From jayfitz at bayou.com Sun Nov 12 21:38:44 2000 From: jayfitz at bayou.com (Jay Fitzgerald) Date: Sun Nov 12 21:38:44 2000 Subject: [thelist] onLoad References: <3A0F5F3C.DE79A07E@bayou.com> <016c01c04d22$1e59c3c0$9aee00cf@mwardenlaptop> Message-ID: <3A0F61AA.A93BE07D@bayou.com> this is what i have so far... this is for my image rollovers but I also neet to add "init()" which will also initialize two external .js files From mfischer at e-fishsolutions.com Sun Nov 12 21:40:28 2000 From: mfischer at e-fishsolutions.com (Matthew Fischer) Date: Sun Nov 12 21:40:28 2000 Subject: [thelist] Acrobat .pdf In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20001112224103-r01010600-b84738ac@24.18.139.115> Add a target to the link: or use javascript and make a new window: or whatever other parameters you want. On 11/12/00 at 9:25 PM, bmonchka at hotmail.com (Barret A Monchka) wrote: > Hello, > > I need to have an Adobe Acrobat .pdf file available on my web site. My > web site is opened in its own window with its very own dimensions and I do > not want the file to be loaded in that window. Is there any way I could > make this file only available to download, and not available to be viewed > online? Or could I make sure that the file is loaded in it's very own > window. > > TIA, > > Barret -- Matt Fischer || e-fish solutions, inc (e) \\\\\__ o (e) / o \ o (e) (( < 877.WEB.FISH || 203.272.2987 (e) \+_+_+_/ Fax 800.203.5816 (e) \|/ From jeff at members.evolt.org Sun Nov 12 21:45:44 2000 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (jeff) Date: Sun Nov 12 21:45:44 2000 Subject: [thelist] Acrobat .pdf In-Reply-To: Message-ID: barret, :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : From: Barret A Monchka : : Is there any way I could make this file only : available to download, and not available to be : viewed online? Or could I make sure that the : file is loaded in it's very own window. :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ sure, just include a target attribute in your tag. pdf good luck, .jeff name://jeff.howden game://web.development http://www.evolt.org/ mailto:jeff at members.evolt.org From mwarden at odyssey-design.com Sun Nov 12 21:48:08 2000 From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Sun Nov 12 21:48:08 2000 Subject: [thelist] onLoad References: <3A0F5F3C.DE79A07E@bayou.com> <016c01c04d22$1e59c3c0$9aee00cf@mwardenlaptop> <3A0F61AA.A93BE07D@bayou.com> Message-ID: <017c01c04d24$5cffc000$9aee00cf@mwardenlaptop> if you get errors, try: -- mattwarden mattwarden.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Jay Fitzgerald To: Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2000 10:36 PM Subject: Re: [thelist] onLoad > this is what i have so far... > > > this is for my image rollovers > > but I also neet to add > > "init()" > > which will also initialize two external .js files > > > > > --------------------------------------- > For unsubscribe and other options, including > the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: > http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From mfischer at e-fishsolutions.com Sun Nov 12 21:52:59 2000 From: mfischer at e-fishsolutions.com (Matthew Fischer) Date: Sun Nov 12 21:52:59 2000 Subject: [thelist] onLoad In-Reply-To: <3A0F61AA.A93BE07D@bayou.com> Message-ID: <20001112225334-r01010600-f8a212e0@24.18.139.115> or Depending on which one you want to fire first. On 11/12/00 at 9:36 PM, jayfitz at bayou.com (Jay Fitzgerald) wrote: > this is what i have so far... > > > this is for my image rollovers > > but I also neet to add > > "init()" > > which will also initialize two external .js files > -- Matt Fischer || e-fish solutions, inc (e) \\\\\__ o (e) / o \ o (e) (( < 877.WEB.FISH || 203.272.2987 (e) \+_+_+_/ Fax 800.203.5816 (e) \|/ From jayfitz at bayou.com Sun Nov 12 21:56:47 2000 From: jayfitz at bayou.com (Jay Fitzgerald) Date: Sun Nov 12 21:56:47 2000 Subject: [thelist] onLoad References: <3A0F5F3C.DE79A07E@bayou.com> <016c01c04d22$1e59c3c0$9aee00cf@mwardenlaptop> <3A0F61AA.A93BE07D@bayou.com> <017c01c04d24$5cffc000$9aee00cf@mwardenlaptop> Message-ID: <3A0F65E6.DF3D18DE@bayou.com> tks....the first one worked fine....both in IE and NN.... From michele at inthree.com Sun Nov 12 22:13:23 2000 From: michele at inthree.com (Michele Wandrei) Date: Sun Nov 12 22:13:23 2000 Subject: [thelist] SQL command help References: <5.0.0.25.2.20001112121308.020feeb0@redhotsweeps.com> Message-ID: <009401c04d28$05e68d40$11330d18@roalok1.mi.home.com> This is what works for me (using your table names): SELECT lottouser.id, bonus_plays.user_id FROM lottouser LEFT JOIN bonus_plays ON lottouser.id = bonus_plays.user_id WHERE bonus_plays.user_id IS NULL Hope this helps. ___________________________________________________ Michele Wandrei inThree Design www.inthree.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "CDitty" To: Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2000 1:16 PM Subject: [thelist] SQL command help > I need to search through 2 sql tables and fine 1 entry that is missing. I > know how to compare the two tables together where they match, but how can I > get where they don't? > > Here is the sql for what I know how to do. > select bonus_plays.user_id, lottouser.id > from bonus_plays, lottouser > where bonus_plays.user_id = lottouser.id > > All I need to do is find the 1 row that is missing from the bonus_plays > table. Can anyone help? > > Thanks > > Chris > > > --------------------------------------- > For unsubscribe and other options, including > the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: > http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From mail at redhotsweeps.com Sun Nov 12 22:37:10 2000 From: mail at redhotsweeps.com (CDitty) Date: Sun Nov 12 22:37:10 2000 Subject: [thelist] SQL command help In-Reply-To: <009401c04d28$05e68d40$11330d18@roalok1.mi.home.com> References: <5.0.0.25.2.20001112121308.020feeb0@redhotsweeps.com> Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20001112223306.02066480@redhotsweeps.com> Thanks. That found the missing record. BIG THANKS Chris At 10:13 PM 11/12/00, you wrote: >This is what works for me (using your table names): > >SELECT lottouser.id, bonus_plays.user_id >FROM lottouser >LEFT JOIN bonus_plays ON lottouser.id = bonus_plays.user_id >WHERE bonus_plays.user_id IS NULL > >Hope this helps. >___________________________________________________ >Michele Wandrei >inThree Design >www.inthree.com > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "CDitty" >To: >Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2000 1:16 PM >Subject: [thelist] SQL command help > > > > I need to search through 2 sql tables and fine 1 entry that is >missing. I > > know how to compare the two tables together where they match, >but how can I > > get where they don't? > > > > Here is the sql for what I know how to do. > > select bonus_plays.user_id, lottouser.id > > from bonus_plays, lottouser > > where bonus_plays.user_id = lottouser.id > > > > All I need to do is find the 1 row that is missing from the >bonus_plays > > table. Can anyone help? > > > > Thanks > > > > Chris > > > > > > --------------------------------------- > > For unsubscribe and other options, including > > the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: > > http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! > > > > >--------------------------------------- >For unsubscribe and other options, including >the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: >http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From isaac at members.evolt.org Sun Nov 12 23:25:26 2000 From: isaac at members.evolt.org (isaac) Date: Sun Nov 12 23:25:26 2000 Subject: [thelist] hard won vector art tip... In-Reply-To: <80256995.0078AED0.00@uk-emamta003.ema.pwcinternal.com> Message-ID: > This is only true for Windows > > MS can't read standards. They 'misread' standard screen res as 96dpi, > not 72dpi, and accordingly ensured that Windows fonts are always too > big (relative to standard). This is why many (designed on Windows) sites > are unreadable on (standards-compliant) Macs. Martin, To what standard are you referring? Will it still be a "standard" to you when your precious Apple starts to license 300dpi display technology for purposes of crisp on-screen text (likely to be very valuable for print designers I'm sure)? We've talked about this before WRT Microsoft's release of IE5 for Mac OS, and their using 96dpi as the default setting for rendering of text. Here's my response then (and now): --- Both PC and Mac rely on stupid assumptions here - that their displays are running at 96 and 72 DPI respectively. AFAIK, neither asks the display subsystem how many DPI it is currently showing and renders accordingly. Incidentally, from what I've read, there are Matrox cards that allow the user to specify a DPI. Why not give users a choice in the browser too? So, by *default* IE5/Mac allows more people to view more sites as they were indended. Not "all", but "more". Sure, it might screw up people who serve Mac-specific stylesheets, but that'd hardly be a majority... IE5/Mac also allows you to specify whether you want to go by 96 or 72 DPI, so if you're bitter (obviously), and like your small Mac fonts, and mostly unreadable sites, then change away. To recap: they've implemented a "safety" default of 96 DPI so that more sites than ever are immediately readable on the Mac, and they're also allowing anyone to change the sizing, whether for reasons of personal preference, or to simply read a specific page.Yet, you've been complaining for months, and continue to do so. It's interesting to note that Netscape are also adopting 96 DPI as default. Here's a quote from Netscape's Mike Pinkerton: "We`re rendering at 96dpi instead of the old 72 to match the web "standard" which is win32. IE5Mac is doing this as well." And I believe that Mozilla on Unix has a default value of 96 DPI too --- If SCSI became accepted as a "standard", should no one develop USB, USB2, Firewire, etc? Hey, let's go back to dirt tracks instead of bitumen - forever. John's advice, perhaps with an alteration, is still sensible: "for best viewing for the majority of a general audience, export from Illustrator to SWF at 96dpi." That is, if you have a general audience, and hope to give the majority the best viewing experience you can provide, export with Windows users in mind. Note the quote from Mike Pinkerton, whose "-ing of "standard" suggests that there are no official standards with which to comply. So, the best bet is to go with the "web standard" of 96dpi. IBM ships first 22" 200dpi displays http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=00/11/11/1457202&mode=flat Have fun with your 72dpi... isaac