From gassinaumasis at hotmail.com Mon May 21 01:24:47 2001 From: gassinaumasis at hotmail.com (Peter-Paul Koch) Date: Mon May 21 01:24:47 2001 Subject: [thelist] Screen Resloution Detection. Message-ID: > and my javascript looks like this: cm_arg = "http://sitee.synapdev.com/"+CM_CLIENT+"_v?RUB="+CM_RUBRIQUE+"&SEC="+C$ cm_arg+="&TL="+top.location.href+"&RF="+document.referrer; // do we want to know about screen resolution and color depth ? // s=screen;r=s.width;c=(navigator.appName!="Netscape")?s.colorDepth:s.pixelDep $ // cm_arg+="&RES="+r+"&COL="+c; i = new Image(1,1); i.src = cm_arg; --- I have spotted the TOP.LOCATION.HREF is giving this error message when I have the page sitea.synapdev.com/tag.htm embbed in a frameset (the frameset is from yet another site, siteb.synapdev.com) I wonder if this error comes from my server setup (?) or if it is a javascript feature that can be worked around.. ? My goal being to get top.location.href (it should give http://siteb.synapdev.com/frameset.htm ) Anyone can help me? Any idea at all? From jay.blanchard at thermon.com Mon May 21 09:48:21 2001 From: jay.blanchard at thermon.com (J. Blanchard) Date: Mon May 21 09:48:21 2001 Subject: [thelist] I should be flogged! Message-ID: <200105211448.f4LEmH029501@leo.evolt.org> Ah, but there is another problem lurking here for which you should be aware... There are settings in Microsoft's Exchange Server which will also render a duplicate of your message in html and place a "content type=text/html" line in the header. So, even if you send plain text (as you have checked and selected in the appropriate boxes in Outlook) there is a duplicate of the message sent with html formating. This has posed and continues to pose problems for me Outlook 2000 as I receive thelist via Outlook, but respond using third party web based mail to get really truly plain text. wwjbd Jay Blanchard Web Engineer Thermon Industries 1.800.820.HEAT x327 ___________________________________________________________________________ Visit http://www.visto.com/info, your free web-based communications center. Visto.com. Life on the Dot. From elfur at members.evolt.org Mon May 21 10:14:26 2001 From: elfur at members.evolt.org (Elfur Logadottir) Date: Mon May 21 10:14:26 2001 Subject: [thelist] Pop-up when user leaves site. References: Message-ID: <13c201c0e208$b9b53450$40aefea9@DWARFS> From: "Peter-Paul Koch" | >Any ideas? I am thinking that using ASP I can check the new domain or IP | >out and see if it matches my IP. If not, then do an onunload popup. | | If they leave your site your ASP won't be called so it can't do anything. this gave me an idea that might be some kind of solution: make a redirect page on your server and send the external links as a querystring and leaving that redirect page throws a popup on exit. (I don't really like that approach, but I think it works) Google - the ultimate search engine and on redirect.asp: <% strUrl = Request.QueryString(url) response.write("") %> onExit(annoyingPopUpSayingGoodbye()) (I don't know the correct javascript syntax for this one, and am not really interested in looking it up :) HTH elfur From qsfc at home.com Mon May 21 10:21:01 2001 From: qsfc at home.com (Quicksilver) Date: Mon May 21 10:21:01 2001 Subject: [thelist] Hello everyone. Message-ID: <001c01c0e20a$21a844c0$70b42a18@yec1.on.wave.home.com> Hello, I just got an account at Evolt and signed up to this list yesterday. Just sending out a heads-up to everyone, I think this is a great idea and hopefully I will be useful to you all. -Linus a.k.a. Quicksilver From qsfc at home.com Mon May 21 10:24:06 2001 From: qsfc at home.com (Quicksilver) Date: Mon May 21 10:24:06 2001 Subject: [thelist] Hello everyone. (a tip) References: <001c01c0e20a$21a844c0$70b42a18@yec1.on.wave.home.com> Message-ID: <002601c0e20a$8fdab7c0$70b42a18@yec1.on.wave.home.com> I forgot to include a tip, since that was sort of off-topic.. This may seem obvious, but all to often people forget about it: always, always keep your code organised and easy to read. You'll thank yourself later when you have to debug it or make an update to it. From evolt at befrance.com Mon May 21 10:24:11 2001 From: evolt at befrance.com (skamp) Date: Mon May 21 10:24:11 2001 Subject: [thelist] Hello everyone. References: <001c01c0e20a$21a844c0$70b42a18@yec1.on.wave.home.com> Message-ID: <001c01c0e209$f8600800$3601a8c0@tatooine> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Quicksilver" To: "Evolt List" Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 5:24 PM Subject: [thelist] Hello everyone. > Hello, > I just got an account at Evolt and signed up to this list yesterday. Just > sending out a heads-up to everyone, I think this is a great idea and > hopefully I will be useful to you all. Well I've subscribed a few days ago only, but welcome anyway :) > -Linus a.k.a. Quicksilver Okay, so do I call you Linus ? Guillaume Cocatre-Zilgien Web Developer skamp at befrance.com UIN #77738266 From gassinaumasis at hotmail.com Mon May 21 10:26:22 2001 From: gassinaumasis at hotmail.com (Peter-Paul Koch) Date: Mon May 21 10:26:22 2001 Subject: [thelist] Javascript question Message-ID: >Hello, I get an error of the type >"access disallowed from scripts at http://sitea.synapdev.com/tag.htm >to documents at another domain." Scripts in pages that come from one web server may not read out certain properties (like the location.href) of pages that come from another web server. For more info, see http://www.xs4all.nl/~ppk/js/index.html?framebust.html, where I attempt (unsuccesfully) to write a generic frame busting script, a script that sees if you are in someone else's frameset and if you are, jumps out. >I wonder if this error comes from my server setup (?) or if it is a >javascript feature that can be worked around.. ? >My goal being to get top.location.href (it should give >http://siteb.synapdev.com/frameset.htm ) You cannot get top.location.href , it is not allowed. Can't be helped. Maybe you can set a variable in the top frame and read it out in the other frames, but I wouldn't be surprised if even that is not allowed in certain browsers. ppk _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From qsfc at home.com Mon May 21 10:30:12 2001 From: qsfc at home.com (Quicksilver) Date: Mon May 21 10:30:12 2001 Subject: [thelist] Hello everyone. References: <001c01c0e20a$21a844c0$70b42a18@yec1.on.wave.home.com> <001c01c0e209$f8600800$3601a8c0@tatooine> Message-ID: <004201c0e20b$6933e460$70b42a18@yec1.on.wave.home.com> : Okay, so do I call you Linus ? : : Guillaume Cocatre-Zilgien : Web Developer Yes, "Linus" is fine. :) You people sure do reply quickly. From paola at limitless.co.uk Mon May 21 10:33:57 2001 From: paola at limitless.co.uk (Paola Kathuria) Date: Mon May 21 10:33:57 2001 Subject: [thelist] Screen Resloution Detection. References: <3B08087B.9193.3234240C@localhost> Message-ID: <3B09363A.7468A49F@limitless.co.uk> aardvark wrote: > we seem to still > be having trouble getting people to recognize that screen resolution does > not equate to *window* size... I suspect it's because screen resolution stats are very easy to come by, for instance from StatMarket and MyComputer. Even if knowing screen resolution was useful, StatMarket's own browser stats doesn't describe all, or even half, the visitors to the sites that they monitor. I just sampled a few stats pages now and found that the screen resolution stats only describe 42% of the visitors they claim these sites have. That means, if StatMarket publish stats that 70%, say, people have screen resolutions of 800x600 it's actually 42% of 70% which is 29%. They have *no* screen resolution stats on the remaining 58% visitors. If you're interested, here's how I arrived at the 42% : The number of "daily unique" visitors (V) are shown alongside the number of visitors that screen resolution stats (S) were collected for. 1) CenterFind Apr '01 V: 2,092,673 S: 214 0.01% [1] CenterFind Dec '00 V: 2,472,188 S: 1,897,239 78% 2) imsisoft Apr '01 V: 75,026 S: 31,183 42% imsisoft Dec '00 V: 64,727 S: 29,015 45% 3) microwho Apr '01 V: 2,760 S: 442 16% microwho Dec '00 V: 4,528 S: 430 9% 4) InetUK Apr '01 V: 4,915 S: 2,518 51% Totals V: 4,716,817 S: 1,961,041 42% Stats sources [2]: 1) http://vwr1.hitbox.com/HitboxUI?acct=WQ5011120DEF&p=1 2) http://vwr1.hitbox.com/HitboxUI?acct=WQ500824D2FE94EN0&p=1 3) http://vwr1.hitbox.com/HitboxUI?acct=WQ590901I5RN57EN0&p=1 4) http://vwr1.hitbox.com/HitboxUI?acct=WQ5102141LZB62EN0&p=1 This is compounded by the fact that HitBox (the s/w StatMarket use to collect stats) can't accurately count *all* visitors to a web site. It relies on JS, cookies and images being viewed, and the HitBox s/w is on sites that are biased to certain browsers, etc, anyway. The percentage of visitors used for the other stats seems to be also less than 100% in StatMarket, even for browser stats. StatMarket's stats are promoted as something web developers can use to make informed decisions. Although the site says "accurate internet stats", I believe that their terms are more believable: "WEBSIDESTORY MAKES NO WARRANTY THAT [...] iii) THE RESULTS THAT MAY BE OBTAINED FROM THE USE OF THE SERVICE WILL BE ACCURATE OR RELIABLE, [...] AND (V) ANY ERRORS IN THE SOFTWARE WILL BE CORRECTED." (from http://www.hitbox.com/cgi-bin/page.cgi?disclaimer) Pah. Paola, who can also rant about the MyComputer's stats [1] the 214 is possibly a result of a bug - which is why I included Dec 2000 figures. Although missing out that month produces a new average of 75% (the percentage of total visitors that there were screen resolution stats for), since StatMarket aggregates *all* stats from all HitBox sites, it is fairer to include the buggy figure (since they will be including it too). [2] For "Daily unique visitors" - go to Traffic -> Daily Uniques, click the Year tab and read off the Daily Uniques for the month. For the number of visitors that screen resolution stats were collected, go to System -> Screen Resolutions, click the Month tab, select a month/year, read off the bold Total visitors. From sales at iibiz.com Mon May 21 10:34:42 2001 From: sales at iibiz.com (sales at iibiz.com) Date: Mon May 21 10:34:42 2001 Subject: [thelist] Hello everyone. References: <001c01c0e20a$21a844c0$70b42a18@yec1.on.wave.home.com> <001c01c0e209$f8600800$3601a8c0@tatooine> <004201c0e20b$6933e460$70b42a18@yec1.on.wave.home.com> Message-ID: <012501c0e20c$3b4c1260$f5b8b3c7@iibiz> > You people sure do reply quickly. Which you'll really appreciate when you have a problem that needs solving! Great group of people and skills here - Welcome! Sandy From ronwhite at members.evolt.org Mon May 21 10:41:42 2001 From: ronwhite at members.evolt.org (Ron White) Date: Mon May 21 10:41:42 2001 Subject: [thelist] I should be flogged! In-Reply-To: <009201c0e201$add47300$6e0f9ad8@mef> Message-ID: Doesn't exist in O2K... Thanks, Ron White Under OE, there is a setting under tools, options, send .. the last checkbox, "Reply to messages using the format in which they were sent", deselect this option. (I don't have O2K installed, can't check for sure.) From gozz at gozz.com Mon May 21 11:19:17 2001 From: gozz at gozz.com (Erik Mattheis) Date: Mon May 21 11:19:17 2001 Subject: [thelist] Quicktimemovie into flash 5.0 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It's impossible in every direction! You can't embed a Quicktime movie in a SWF. You can add a Flash track to a Quicktime movie, but only Flash 4 actions will work in Quicktime 5. The only way you can accomplish what you want would be to export your Quicktime movie as a bitmap sequence with a frame rate equal to your Flash movie, and then import that sequence into Flash which might work for a very short QT movie or be OK for a CD ROM. When I did that for a project, I found all the info I needed on the Macromedia site. >I'm looking for the best way to integrate a quicktime movie into flash 5. >At the moment I put the movie into a new scene and link it with another one. >It doesn't work so far...I tested it in the preview mode..and I'm not sure >if the loadingtime of the movie stays accetable..Any suggestions or links >for tutorials??? -- - Erik Mattheis "For best results, pronounce muh THEIGH ess." (612) 827 3963 From marciaanddarin at yahoo.com Mon May 21 11:21:07 2001 From: marciaanddarin at yahoo.com (Marcia) Date: Mon May 21 11:21:07 2001 Subject: [thelist] Perl In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010521162114.40903.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Hi I am interested in learning Perl. Is Perl used a lot in creating web sites? Do any of you use Perl? If so could you recommend any books or sites to help me learn Perl? Thank you so much Marcia From Rory.Plaire at wahchang.com Mon May 21 11:36:27 2001 From: Rory.Plaire at wahchang.com (Rory.Plaire at wahchang.com) Date: Mon May 21 11:36:27 2001 Subject: [thelist] Pop-up when user leaves site. Message-ID: <41C0B6AB2A57D3119ED800A0C9EA392002BE9B08@arnold.bedrock.com> Hmm, Based on this fact, is it then possible to determine when one leaves the site when one is not able to read the location of the next page? Or is being unable to read it not a function of where one is? curious, -rory -----Original Message----- From: Peter-Paul Koch [mailto:gassinaumasis at hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 5:11 AM To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: Re: [thelist] Pop-up when user leaves site. >I want to have a pop-up window come up when a user leaves my website. > >I have found several scripts that work when a user leaves a "page", but I >only want the pop-up to come up when they leave the "site". > >Know what I mean? In practice this can't be done, because you cannot find out if the new page is from a new site. If the page is in another site you're not allowed to read out the location, so you cannot tell the location of the new page. So: this is impossible. ppk _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. --------------------------------------- For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From seth at sethbienek.com Mon May 21 11:38:07 2001 From: seth at sethbienek.com (Seth Bienek) Date: Mon May 21 11:38:07 2001 Subject: [thelist] Aimster must give up domain to AOL Message-ID: I usually don't get involved with philosphy-type discussions on thelist, but this article kind of hit a nerve with me.. This has some pretty heavy implications. Aimster must give up domain to AOL http://www.msnbc.com/news/575492.asp I think it's interesting that this napster-like service (which has had some run-ins with the RIAA as well) has been basically shut down by having it's domain name taken away by what would appear to be a company with very strong ties to the RIAA.. AOL says that Aimster doesn't have the right to use it's copyrighted sequence of letters "AIM" in it's name, though the Aimster service isn't (as I understand it) even similar to the Instant Messenger product. Am I just being silly, or does this seem like one of those underhanded, "the end justifies the means" type dealings by "the man"? Thoughts/comments? Seth ------------------------------ Seth Bienek Solutions Development Manager Stonebridge Technologies, Inc. 972.455.7294 tel 972.404.9754 fax ICQ #7673959 ------------------------------ From damien.cola at synaptique.co.uk Mon May 21 11:53:02 2001 From: damien.cola at synaptique.co.uk (Damien Cola) Date: Mon May 21 11:53:02 2001 Subject: [thelist] Pop-up when user leaves site. In-Reply-To: <41C0B6AB2A57D3119ED800A0C9EA392002BE9B08@arnold.bedrock.com> Message-ID: One solution is that the very first page of your site is a frameset of the type row "100%,*" one the first 100% you call your first page of your site, and the rest of the pages will appears in this frame ( "target = "_self" for each link ) one the second * you call a special page, empty, with a mere: > body onunload="mypopupwindow()" < < /body < and of course the javascript function in the > head < > From hassan at webtuitive.com Mon May 21 11:54:37 2001 From: hassan at webtuitive.com (Hassan Schroeder) Date: Mon May 21 11:54:37 2001 Subject: [thelist] Perl References: <20010521162114.40903.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3B09480B.99FC77EF@webtuitive.com> Marcia wrote: > I am interested in learning Perl. Is Perl used a lot > in creating web > sites? Do any of you use Perl? If so could you > recommend any books > or sites to help me learn Perl? yes ("Perl is the duct tape of the Internet"), yes, and yes :-) print: Programming Perl (Wall, Christiansen & Schwarz) O'Reilly & Associates - http://ora.com/ web: Comprehensive Perl Archive Network - http://www.cpan.org/ Perl Mongers - http://www.perl.org/ and many, many more, but that's a start ... enjoy! -- H* Hassan Schroeder ----------------------------- hassan at webtuitive.com Webtuitive Design ---(+1) 408-938-0567 --- http://www.webtuitive.com -- creating dynamic Web sites and applications since 1994 -- From Ron.Luther at COMPAQ.com Mon May 21 11:56:32 2001 From: Ron.Luther at COMPAQ.com (Luther, Ron) Date: Mon May 21 11:56:32 2001 Subject: [thelist] Perl Message-ID: <8958135993102D479F1CA2351F370A060145F10B@cceexc17.americas.cpqcorp.net> Hi Marcia, Perl is used a lot ... for a lot of different things. I've used it more for 'quick' file manipulation than for 'web-things' so far ... but I'm still a perl-newbie. Some of the Perl books on my shelf: Learning Perl on Win32 Systems - O'Reilly {Not too bad to read} Programming Perl - O'Reilly {May be a little 'deep' if you don't have any programming background} Perl Cookbook - O'Reilly {Probably not a 'beginning' book} Mastering Regular Expressions - O'Reilly {Probably not a 'beginning' book} Perl and CGI for the WorldWide Web - Elizabeth Castro - Peachpit Press {Pretty easy reading} HTH, RonL. -----Original Message----- From: Marcia [mailto:marciaanddarin at yahoo.com] Subject: [thelist] Perl If so could you recommend any books or sites to help me learn Perl? From m at pleonasm.com Mon May 21 11:56:42 2001 From: m at pleonasm.com (Matt) Date: Mon May 21 11:56:42 2001 Subject: [thelist] Perl In-Reply-To: <20010521162114.40903.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> References: Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010521185439.007a9580@pleonasm.com> Marcia, I would absolutely, definitely say that the only way to go is with the O'Reilly Perl series (http://perl.oreilly.com). Start with "Learning Perl" to learn the basics, then read "Programming Perl" to go deeper. These books are written by people deeply involved with the language, and feature forewords from its creator, Larry Wall. I was coding Perl CGI scripts within a week after reading these books. The examples are great, the explanations are clear, and it is all written with honesty and humour. I've always got the best prices at Bookpool (http://www.bookpool.com). Right now, for example, Programming Perl (3rd edition) is $29.50 at Bookpool, compared to the list price of $49.95. Amazing. If you can wait until July, the new (3rd) edition of "Learning Perl" will be published then, covering Perl version 5.6. Perl is great. HTH ... Matt From oren at pinetree.net Mon May 21 12:07:18 2001 From: oren at pinetree.net (Oren Levin) Date: Mon May 21 12:07:18 2001 Subject: [thelist] Perl In-Reply-To: <20010521162114.40903.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I use it all day long. A short booklist includes: Perl 5 for Dummies http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0764500449/pinetreeconsulti Effective Perl Programming http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0201419750/pinetreeconsulti Programming Perl http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0596000278/pinetreeconsulti Advanced Perl Programming http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1565922204/pinetreeconsulti Perl Cookbook http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1565922433/pinetreeconsulti Mastering Algorithms with Perl http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1565923987/pinetreeconsulti Web Client Programming with Perl http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/156592214X/pinetreeconsulti Programming the Perl BDI (database interface) http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1565926994/pinetreeconsulti Mastering Regular Expressions http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1565922573/pinetreeconsulti Oren -----Original Message----- From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Marcia Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 12:21 PM To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: [thelist] Perl Hi I am interested in learning Perl. Is Perl used a lot in creating web sites? Do any of you use Perl? If so could you recommend any books or sites to help me learn Perl? Thank you so much Marcia --------------------------------------- For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From GregHolmes at aol.com Mon May 21 12:07:32 2001 From: GregHolmes at aol.com (GregHolmes at aol.com) Date: Mon May 21 12:07:32 2001 Subject: [thelist] I should be flogged! Message-ID: <6b.149f4351.283aa562@aol.com> This is actually a bug (well, maybe they thought it was a feature) http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q222/5/08.ASP "J. Blanchard" wrote: >Ah, but there is another problem lurking here for which you should be aware... >There are settings in Microsoft's Exchange Server which will >also render a duplicate of your message in html and place a > "content type=text/html" line in the header. So, even if you > send plain text (as you have checked and selected in the appropriate > boxes in Outlook) there is a duplicate of the message sent with html > formating. This has posed and continues to pose problems for me > Outlook 2000 as I receive thelist via Outlook, but respond using > third party web based mail to get really truly plain text. >wwjbd >Jay Blanchard >Web Engineer >Thermon Industries >1.800.820.HEAT x327 Greg Holmes gregholmes at aol.com From cvos at netpaths.net Mon May 21 12:17:17 2001 From: cvos at netpaths.net (Cayley Vos) Date: Mon May 21 12:17:17 2001 Subject: [thelist] Re: Pop-up when user leaves site References: <20010521163953.33E199F0@relay.evolt.org> Message-ID: <3B094D98.B9E1F339@netpaths.net> I agree, a frameset would be the eaasiest way to do this. If you dont like the idea, you can make an "invisible" frame that does the job you are looking for, but it not visible. Look at the inventors of popup window - porn sites. -- Cayley Vos, Principal 360.714.8395 office 360.223.7799 cell http://NetPaths.net _______________________________ web design | e-commerce | i-marketing From winfried at huslik.de Mon May 21 12:26:27 2001 From: winfried at huslik.de (Winfried Huslik) Date: Mon May 21 12:26:27 2001 Subject: [thelist] in-company proxy server ignoring rules? Message-ID: >I just wanted to give you some feedback on the new functionality of "One >word a day". (...) >However, there seem to be some bugs in the implementation, as you probably >have heard already. When I browse through your site, other people's name >turn up more or less unpredictably instead of mine. As far as I remember, it >has been always been names of colleagues from my company. I do not feel it >is a huge interference with my privacy, but it is somehow disturbing anyway. (...) We have thoroughly investigated complaints about showing up other people's name when using our web site. This behaviour is due to the use of a proxy server inside your company that simply ignores all directives not to cache the pages. So if someone has visited a certain page it is (wrongly) stored on your proxy server's hard disk. For the next person who is visiting this page (with the same file name) the proxy server provides the cached page (with someone else's name in it) instead of getting the original from our server. To overcome this behaviour we now add a unique extension to all file names which make it impossible for the proxy server to show a page from the cache. for headers: header("Location: $url?".time()); for links: $text='link text'; for submits:
It seems to work! But ... are proxies allowed to ignore the meta tags? Hope this helps! Winfried From qsfc at home.com Mon May 21 12:28:12 2001 From: qsfc at home.com (Quicksilver) Date: Mon May 21 12:28:12 2001 Subject: [thelist] Perl References: <20010521162114.40903.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002101c0e21b$e5cebee0$70b42a18@yec1.on.wave.home.com> Hello, Yes, Perl is in use quite a lot on the Internet for creating CGI applications. My personal preference is PHP, but some people prefer different things, and it's good to keep your skills broad. I learned basic Perl/CGI from the tutorials at www.pageresource.com. You will need a web host that supports CGI, I'm not sure if Evolt does or not. If you just want to learn the language Perl, without getting into web applications, you can go to www.activeperl.com and download the interpreter, and practise by running your scripts through it. Hope I helped, --------------------------------- Quicksilver : qsfc at home.com From RyanF at SonicFoundry.com Mon May 21 12:29:07 2001 From: RyanF at SonicFoundry.com (Ryan Finley) Date: Mon May 21 12:29:07 2001 Subject: [thelist] Re: Pop-up when user leaves site Message-ID: <50A821699F5FCB4585601CDD0EC89D28019DEF@flash> << I agree, a frameset would be the eaasiest way to do this. If you dont like the idea, you can make an "invisible" frame that does the job you are looking for, but it not visible. Look at the inventors of popup window - porn sites. >> I was checking out how fortune.com does their popup...it seems that they've rewritten all their links to point to a single frameset "index.jhtml", passing in the actual page as a parameter. Now, I have a question. Is it possible to write a JavaScript function that will automatically change every link on a page to point to somewhere else (just like "index.jhtml"). It would be pain to do this manually... Ryan Finley President - SurveyMonkey.com (http://www.surveymonkey.com) From qsfc at home.com Mon May 21 12:33:47 2001 From: qsfc at home.com (Quicksilver) Date: Mon May 21 12:33:47 2001 Subject: [thelist] auto-replacing links (was: Pop-up when user leaves site) References: <50A821699F5FCB4585601CDD0EC89D28019DEF@flash> Message-ID: <003a01c0e21c$ac19af60$70b42a18@yec1.on.wave.home.com> > Now, I have a question. Is it possible to write a JavaScript function that > will automatically change every link on a page to point to somewhere else > (just like "index.jhtml"). It would be pain to do this manually... I don't think it's possible with Javascript because you'd need to write files, but if you want to use some other, more powerful language it's a simple matter of searching and replacing with regular expressions, then writing back to the file. Also, if you don't mind doing it one file at a time (but not one link at a time) you can use a text editor (I use Editpad Lite, www.jgsoft.com) with a search and replace function. --------------------------------- Quicksilver : qsfc at home.com From gassinaumasis at hotmail.com Mon May 21 12:34:02 2001 From: gassinaumasis at hotmail.com (Peter-Paul Koch) Date: Mon May 21 12:34:02 2001 Subject: [thelist] Pop-up when user leaves site. Message-ID: > >Based on this fact, is it then possible to determine when one leaves the >site when one is not able to read the location of the next page? I tried this but it didn't work. It's very hard to say 'if you cannot read out this property' in JavaScript. Suggestions are welcome. Of course you might try using the onError event handler, but I was hoping to find something more general. After all, onError is a dangerous event since any error may fire it, not just the error you're looking for. >Or is being unable to read it not a function of where one is? No, if it can't be read out you're on a page from another server. The problem is that you cannot read out whether or not you're allowed to read it out . ppk _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From gozz at gozz.com Mon May 21 12:37:52 2001 From: gozz at gozz.com (Erik Mattheis) Date: Mon May 21 12:37:52 2001 Subject: [thelist] Aimster must give up domain to AOL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >I usually don't get involved with philosphy-type discussions on >thelist, but this article kind of hit a nerve with me.. This has >some pretty heavy implications. > >Aimster must give up domain to AOL >http://www.msnbc.com/news/575492.asp I'm not familiar with the case, but it seems to me that if the finding is correct that Aimster choose their name "because of the popularity" of AIM (thus intentionally trying to confuse their trademark with a trademark of another company) the verdict was correct. Like if the founders last name or initials are AIM or there was any other good reason for the choice of the name, I would indeed think it horrible, but from reading that article that doesn't seem to be the case. -- - Erik Mattheis "For best results, pronounce muh THEIGH ess." (612) 827 3963 From gassinaumasis at hotmail.com Mon May 21 12:47:18 2001 From: gassinaumasis at hotmail.com (Peter-Paul Koch) Date: Mon May 21 12:47:18 2001 Subject: [thelist] Re: Pop-up when user leaves site Message-ID: >I was checking out how fortune.com does their popup...it seems that they've >rewritten all their links to point to a single frameset "index.jhtml", >passing in the actual page as a parameter. But I also got the popup when I typed in a new URL in the location bar. I tested it somewhat more and it seems that the popup occasionally works on IE (Win and Mac), but never on Netscape (6/Win and 4/Mac). >Now, I have a question. Is it possible to write a JavaScript function that >will automatically change every link on a page to point to somewhere else >(just like "index.jhtml"). It would be pain to do this manually... In each page: var x = document.links for (i=0;i Is it possible to center a background image in Netscape 4x? It isn't a fixed background, just a centered image. Peter Kaulback From Rory.Plaire at wahchang.com Mon May 21 13:28:48 2001 From: Rory.Plaire at wahchang.com (Rory.Plaire at wahchang.com) Date: Mon May 21 13:28:48 2001 Subject: Silver Lining (was: RE: [fwd] RE: [thelist] cookies) Message-ID: <41C0B6AB2A57D3119ED800A0C9EA392002BE9B0C@arnold.bedrock.com> Nobody wants to wait two days to have their message posted on a listserv, because they have a suspicious Header (Send Mail Error) Whats so suspicous about that you ...(out of courtesy)! Your mail to 'thelist' with the subject: send mail error Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. The reason it is being held: Suspicious header Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive notification of the moderator's decision. Hmm... Perhaps, though the confirmation email to signup did, indeed, include education about sending HTML, that education is a process and, with the current toolbox of implements with which to send mail including such HTML-abundant, ease-of-use-deficient clients as the MS bunch, some of the users may be sore pressed to understand the somewhat ambiguous message generated upon receipt of the HTML-laden delivery. Ok. Having said my peace, on with the show... There are general rules to making software usable by the intended audience presented in a highly valuable and insightful work called "Software for use :a practical guide to the models and methods of usage-centered design " co-authored by Larry Constantine and Lucy Lockwood (see also: www.foruse.com). These rules are not hard and fast by any measure, but gracefully describe any situation with a degree of comprehension and clarity, allowing the direction of the design to be influenced by highly applicable and universal aims. From "Software for Use" and http://www.foruse.com/Files/Papers/whatusers.pdf, the five rules of usage-centric design are: First Rule: Access: "Good systems are usable--without help or instruction--by a user having knowledge and experience in the application domain but no experience with the system." Second Rule: Efficacy: "Good systems do not interfere with or impede efficient use by a skilled user having substantial experience with the system." Third Rule: Progression: "Good systems facilitate continuous advancement in knowledge, skill, and facility and accommodate progressive change in usage as the user gains experience with the system." Fourth Rule: Support: "Good systems support the real work that users are trying to accomplish, making it easier, simpler, faster, or more fun." Fifth Rule: Context: "Good systems are suited to the conditions and environment of the actual operational context within which they are deployed." Education which is immediate, simple and direct, yet reiterative and reinforcing, about the software can fulfill at least the first four of these rules. Being sensitive about how the education is presented, keeping in mind culture, environment, language, capacity and stress, can fulfill all five. From jcrawford at avencom.com Mon May 21 13:34:13 2001 From: jcrawford at avencom.com (Joe Crawford) Date: Mon May 21 13:34:13 2001 Subject: [thelist] Playing with MIME type (was: Downloading .jpg & .pdf files) References: <3B07DBCC.15608.5ED5DA1@localhost> Message-ID: <3B095F88.30CFF11F@avencom.com> deke wrote: > This isn't something you do in HTML, this is something you do in > server configuration. When the browser sees a MIME type it doesn't > recognize, it asks the user where to save the file, rather than trying > to open it. > > With an NCSA-compatible server like Apache, you simply put a files > in a special download-only directory, and stick an .htaccess file in > that directory for each file type: > AddType application/octet-stream jpg > AddType application/octet-stream pdf > > Since the application/octet-stream MIME type is simply a stream of > 8-bit data of unknown use, there aren't going to be any applications > set up to open it. If you want to have fun, you can use > AddType application/evolt-download-only jpg > AddType application/evolt-download-only pdf > or even > AddType be/mine jpg > AddType true/love pdf Is this going to work on IE/Windows? It's my understanding that IE makes guesses about files with strange MIME types based on the extension. Have you used this successfully? It's an interesting and clever shorthand (I like!) - but does it work to bring up the "prompt to save" box for most browsers in a reliable way? And does doing it this way impact Macintosh? It seems like feeding an unknown mime type might make it unviewable (to most users) on the Mac side. TIA, Joe -- Joe Crawford |||||||||||||| mailto:jcrawford at avencom.com |||||||||||||||||||||||| http://www.avencom.com ||||||||||||||||||||||||||| Avencom: Set Your Sites Higher From mwarden at odyssey-design.com Mon May 21 13:47:19 2001 From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Mon May 21 13:47:19 2001 Subject: [thelist] Aimster must give up domain to AOL References: Message-ID: <010c01c0e226$75eaf160$93ac1b18@patk3mzsmhxpqb> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > >I usually don't get involved with philosphy-type discussions on > >thelist, but this article kind of hit a nerve with me.. This has > >some pretty heavy implications. > > > >Aimster must give up domain to AOL > >http://www.msnbc.com/news/575492.asp > > I'm not familiar with the case, but it seems to me that if the > finding is correct that Aimster choose their name "because of the > popularity" of AIM (thus intentionally trying to confuse their > trademark with a trademark of another company) the verdict was > correct. Aimster works *with* AIM. It's basically a plugin. It doesn't compete... nothing like that. In fact, I'd say it promotes it. You can't use Aimster without AIM. *shrug* It's almost like reaming all the "buddy icon" sites out there. > Like if the founders last name or initials are AIM or there was any > other good reason for the choice of the name, I would indeed think > it horrible, but from reading that article that doesn't seem to be > the case. Now that you know why it has "AIM" in the name, what do you think? - -- mattwarden mattwarden.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOwlisngH0dUmEhrcEQJsAQCgpjit+hVzNxIUEN4UIHslEL3NaEcAoPNJ 7VaDo1SRMSs4gxUzd/pq2Dfz =ersP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From web at master.gen.in.us Mon May 21 13:48:44 2001 From: web at master.gen.in.us (deke ) Date: Mon May 21 13:48:44 2001 Subject: [thelist] Pop-up when user leaves site. In-Reply-To: <41C0B6AB2A57D3119ED800A0C9EA392002BE9B08@arnold.bedrock.com> Message-ID: <3B092C02.9443.B0EE285@localhost> On 21 May 2001, at 9:38, Rory.Plaire at wahchang.com posted a message which said: > Based on this fact, is it then possible to determine when one leaves the > site when one is not able to read the location of the next page? Or is being > unable to read it not a function of where one is? The web is state-less. You don't really "stay" at a site - you retrieve the files to build a page and disconnect, then create a new connection with the next page that you visit. Some sites use links of the form Yahoo fun which means the user clicks on the redirect program at *your* site in order to get redirected elsewhere. But if the user types in a URL, or clicks on a bookmark, or drags a page from the desktop to the browser, and clicks on a link in *that* page, or the dog tears the wire out of the wall and the user disconnects, you don't have any way of knowing that the user is gone. Those web pages that say "There are currently 44 people visiting our websites"? The webmasters are likely to lie about other things as well. deke ------------------------ "The church is near but the road is icy; the bar is far away but I will walk carefully." -- Russian Proverb From qsfc at home.com Mon May 21 13:49:59 2001 From: qsfc at home.com (Quicksilver) Date: Mon May 21 13:49:59 2001 Subject: [thelist] Difference between and Message-ID: <002601c0e227$5202efe0$70b42a18@yec1.on.wave.home.com> It's surprising, but I've been using HTML for a significant portion of my life and I don't know the difference. I was reading the guidelines for article submissions to Evolt, and it was talking about defining structure and defining style. The same went for and tags. What's the difference? Why is it important? Thanks, --------------------------------- Quicksilver : qsfc at home.com From webmaster at equilon-mrc.com Mon May 21 13:53:59 2001 From: webmaster at equilon-mrc.com (James Aylard) Date: Mon May 21 13:53:59 2001 Subject: [thelist] Centering a background image References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010521134715.01ce8430@mail.idirect.ca> Message-ID: <014f01c0e228$8996bb20$2860398a@newcos.com> Peter, > Is it possible to center a background image in Netscape 4x? It isn't a > fixed background, just a centered image. Unfortunately, no, it isn't. Netscape 4.x does not recognize the CSS background-position property. James Aylard From ltu97mp at reading.ac.uk Mon May 21 13:54:34 2001 From: ltu97mp at reading.ac.uk (Matt Patterson) Date: Mon May 21 13:54:34 2001 Subject: [thelist] Aimster must give up domain to AOL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010521195404-r01010600-8797a354@10.0.0.15> On 21/5/01 at 11:37 am, seth at sethbienek.com (Seth Bienek) wrote: > AOL says that Aimster doesn't have the right to use it's copyrighted > sequence of letters "AIM" in it's name, though the Aimster service > isn't (as I understand it) even similar to the Instant Messenger > product. > >From what this Wired News article says, Aimster runs on top of AOL's Instant Messenger, so the implication must be that the arbitration people think that Aimster is clearly passing off on AOL, by implying some official link through the use of its initials. I'm not sure I care much one way or the other, to be honest. AOL may well be the spawn of the devil, but the morality of services which, despite claims to the contrary, exist primarily to facilitate ripping people's work off is murky: One's a monolithic capitalist entity, the other's a distributed capitalist entity - Aimster are only in this to make money. I don't know what their business model is, but someone's being taken for a ride somewhere: it relies on people distributing items that other people paid to produce. Gnutella has the best claim to a moral right to exist, in my opinion. Oh, and the record companies can f**k right off too. Have I missed anyone? Matt ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matt Patterson: Student Reading University Department of Typography & Graphic Communication ltu97mp at reading.ac.uk http://www.rdg.ac.uk/~ltu97mp/ 'I just like to know,' said Pooh humbly. 'So as I can say to myself: "I've got fourteen pots of honey left" or fifteen, as the case may be. It's sort of comforting.' From djc at starkmedia.com Mon May 21 13:59:39 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Mon May 21 13:59:39 2001 Subject: Silver Lining (was: RE: [fwd] RE: [thelist] cookies) References: <41C0B6AB2A57D3119ED800A0C9EA392002BE9B0C@arnold.bedrock.com> Message-ID: <3B096569.50FA342@starkmedia.com> Hey Rory - I've been thinking about doing this for a while now, and just as an FYI to everyone, the default message will be something like, "Probably not plaintext formatted message" instead of suspicous header. Hopefully thats a little more verbose for everyone :) .djc. Rory.Plaire at wahchang.com wrote: > Hmm... > > Perhaps, though the confirmation email to signup did, indeed, include > education about sending HTML, that education is a process and, with the > current toolbox of implements with which to send mail including such > HTML-abundant, ease-of-use-deficient clients as the MS bunch, some of the > users may be sore pressed to understand the somewhat ambiguous message > generated upon receipt of the HTML-laden delivery. Ok. Having said my peace, > on with the show... > From morbus at disobey.com Mon May 21 14:00:54 2001 From: morbus at disobey.com (Morbus Iff) Date: Mon May 21 14:00:54 2001 Subject: [thelist] Difference between and In-Reply-To: <002601c0e227$5202efe0$70b42a18@yec1.on.wave.home.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010521145807.00a5a1e0@red.totalnetnh.net> >It's surprising, but I've been using HTML for a significant portion of >my life and I don't know the difference. I was reading the guidelines for >article submissions to Evolt, and it was talking about defining >structure and defining style. The same went for and tags. Think of three different situations: - a web browser. - a blind person. - a palm pilot. "Bold" is a style - when you say "bold a word", people basically know that it means to add more ... .. "ink" around the letters until they stand out more amongst the rest of the letters. That, unfortunately, means nothing to a blind person. And on Palm Pilot's and other PDA's, text is already bold because screen resolution is small enough to make squinting a pain in the ass. You can't bold a bold without screwing something up. "Bold" is a style - we know what "bold" is supposed to look like. "Strong" however is an indication of what something should look it. "Strong" could (and often does) mean "bold" in a browser, but it could also mean a lower tone for a speaking program like Jaws (for blind people). And strong on a Palm Pilot may be an underline (since you can't bold a bold). A quick explanation, but hopefully understandable. "Bold" is a style. HTML was never meant to be about styles. Do some searches for "Tim Berners Lee" and "the semantic web". is semantic - it describes the text it surrounds ("this text should be stronger than the rest of the text you've displayed") as opposed to describing HOW the text it surrounds SHOULD BE DISPLAYED ("this text should be bold"). Morbus Iff .sig on other machine. http://www.disobey.com/ http://www.gamegrene.com/ From Rory.Plaire at wahchang.com Mon May 21 14:07:39 2001 From: Rory.Plaire at wahchang.com (Rory.Plaire at wahchang.com) Date: Mon May 21 14:07:39 2001 Subject: State or Confusion (was:RE: [thelist] Pop-up when user leaves sit e.) Message-ID: <41C0B6AB2A57D3119ED800A0C9EA392002BE9B0E@arnold.bedrock.com> Thanks, err, Mr. Koch. (How shall I address you, sir?) I might think, then, that the security mechanism is what is prohibitive about reading it out. It must, although I can't find this on http://developer.netscape.com/docs/manuals/communicator/jsguide4/index.htm?c ontent=sec.htm, return a security exception or an undefined variable which would generate a runtime error, does this sound right? So, generally speaking, it would seem that site-experience management is not very well developed in the web model. As deke points out in his latest post, the web is stateless. What I wonder is the usefulness of capturing the transition from one site to another. Perhaps in terms of security, privacy, credibility, etc., it may be useful to know of transitions from and to other sites. But, wait, maybe this is where third-party certification steps in... appreciative, -rory BTW, is this level of abstract thinking allowed in this list? -----Original Message----- From: Peter-Paul Koch [mailto:gassinaumasis at hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 10:34 AM To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: RE: [thelist] Pop-up when user leaves site. > >Based on this fact, is it then possible to determine when one leaves the >site when one is not able to read the location of the next page? I tried this but it didn't work. It's very hard to say 'if you cannot read out this property' in JavaScript. Suggestions are welcome. Of course you might try using the onError event handler, but I was hoping to find something more general. After all, onError is a dangerous event since any error may fire it, not just the error you're looking for. >Or is being unable to read it not a function of where one is? No, if it can't be read out you're on a page from another server. The problem is that you cannot read out whether or not you're allowed to read it out . ppk _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. --------------------------------------- For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From elfur at members.evolt.org Mon May 21 14:08:24 2001 From: elfur at members.evolt.org (Elfur Logadottir) Date: Mon May 21 14:08:24 2001 Subject: Session variables (was: [thelist] Pop-up when user leaves site.) References: <3B092C02.9443.B0EE285@localhost> Message-ID: <14ba01c0e229$67d14b80$40aefea9@DWARFS> From: "deke " | On 21 May 2001, at 9:38, Rory.Plaire at wahchang.com posted a message which said: | | The web is state-less. You don't really "stay" at a site - you | retrieve the files to build a page and disconnect, then create | a new connection with the next page that you visit. | | | Those web pages that say "There are currently 44 people visiting our | websites"? The webmasters are likely to lie about other things as well. hold on, why do I have to be lying if I say that 44 people are visiting my website now? are you saying that there's no way to count that? what about session variables? *the puzzled one* From qsfc at home.com Mon May 21 14:08:29 2001 From: qsfc at home.com (Quicksilver) Date: Mon May 21 14:08:29 2001 Subject: [thelist] Difference between and References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010521145807.00a5a1e0@red.totalnetnh.net> Message-ID: <003801c0e229$e83ca940$70b42a18@yec1.on.wave.home.com> Thank you! I've always wondered. - qs From gozz at gozz.com Mon May 21 14:28:40 2001 From: gozz at gozz.com (Erik Mattheis) Date: Mon May 21 14:28:40 2001 Subject: [thelist] Aimster must give up domain to AOL In-Reply-To: <010c01c0e226$75eaf160$93ac1b18@patk3mzsmhxpqb> References: <010c01c0e226$75eaf160$93ac1b18@patk3mzsmhxpqb> Message-ID: >Aimster works *with* AIM. It's basically a plugin. It doesn't >compete... nothing like that. In fact, I'd say it promotes it. You >can't use Aimster without AIM. *shrug* It's almost like reaming all >the "buddy icon" sites out there. > >> Like if the founders last name or initials are AIM or there was any >> other good reason for the choice of the name, I would indeed think >> it horrible, but from reading that article that doesn't seem to be >> the case. > >Now that you know why it has "AIM" in the name, what do you think? It's up to the trademark holder when they decide to enforce the use of their trademark. They might not see buddy icon sites as being detrimental to their business, whereas they might see Aimster as such. I would be uncomfortable with someone telling me "If you're going to exercise your rights in situation A, then you must also exercise your rights is situations B-Z as well." Don't get me wrong, I'm terrified that all these huge entities are merging and that the distinction between corporate America and the current executive administration of my country is blurry at best. But taking into consideration the reason a entity wanted to enforce their right to the exclusive use of their trademark goes against the fundamental concept of what a trademark is. So speculating on that reason doesn't make a lot of sense to me ... -- - Erik Mattheis "For best results, pronounce muh THEIGH ess." (612) 827 3963 From sgd at ti3.com Mon May 21 14:29:30 2001 From: sgd at ti3.com (Scott Dexter) Date: Mon May 21 14:29:30 2001 Subject: Session variables (was: [thelist] Pop-up when user leaves sit e.) Message-ID: <8C8B8745C0FE7A43BFA6CABAB3211172492D64@gate.ti3.com> > | > | Those web pages that say "There are currently 44 people visiting our > | websites"? The webmasters are likely to lie about other > things as well. How is this a lie? If I have a log entry that you grabbed my default.asp page twenty seconds ago, I can reasonably say that you are currently visiting my site. I can also consider the current simultaneous connections open --remember there is something called HTTP Keep-Alives, which, when negotiated (it's http 1.1), keeps the connection from the browser to the webserver open. This makes grabbing supplemental files (images, css files, etc) faster. Statistics programs typically employ algorithms that consider how recently pages were viewed by individual ip addresses to come up with a "44 people are visiting" number. Server-side engines (ASP, CF) *can* use their own Session tracking (not sure of the analogous CF term) to display this, but it can be erroneous for a couple reasons: bad implementation (the site developer has to write stuff, at least in ASP anyway), idle sessions (you set your session timeout for 20 minutes, and it lives for the full 20 minutes even though I was there only 5), and in the case of ASP, bugs (the Session_OnEnd event does not fire, so you can't do reliable cleanup/accounting). So it's not a lie, but a close estimate based on real numbers. If you ask my opinion on using "44 people are visiting my site right now," on a page, I'd say it's a good exercise, but not something to require/push as a necessary item (IOW, who cares how many people are visiting the site, except the site owner(s)?) forgive me if this is redundant/off-base; I missed most of the thread.... sgd From ltu97mp at reading.ac.uk Mon May 21 14:35:55 2001 From: ltu97mp at reading.ac.uk (Matt Patterson) Date: Mon May 21 14:35:55 2001 Subject: [thelist] Aimster must give up domain to AOL In-Reply-To: <20010521195404-r01010600-8797a354@10.0.0.15> Message-ID: <20010521203514-r01010600-7377afe6@10.0.0.15> On 21/5/01 at 7:53 pm, ltu97mp at reading.ac.uk (Matt Patterson) wrote: [dull stuff snipped] I forgot a tip - sorry, here's one to make up. If you want to make the first paragraph in a sequence have no indent, but with the following paragraphs having an indent, *and* you don't want to use a lot of nasty class attributes to do it, CSS2 contextual selectors provide an easy way. The E+F type selector (select element F immediately preceded by element E) Is a really easy way to do this: P { font: 12pt/18pt a font; text-indent: 0; } P+P { text-indent: 12pt; } The P+P selector will select all

tags that are immediately preceded by a

tag, which is all

tags except the first in a sequence. i.e.

head

first para

next para

more para

. Since the first para is immediately preceded by an

the P+P selector won't match it, so its text-indent remains zero. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matt Patterson: Student Reading University Department of Typography & Graphic Communication ltu97mp at reading.ac.uk http://www.rdg.ac.uk/~ltu97mp/ 'I just like to know,' said Pooh humbly. 'So as I can say to myself: "I've got fourteen pots of honey left" or fifteen, as the case may be. It's sort of comforting.' From ronwhite at members.evolt.org Mon May 21 14:52:20 2001 From: ronwhite at members.evolt.org (Ron White) Date: Mon May 21 14:52:20 2001 Subject: CSS2 was RE: [thelist] Aimster must give up domain to AOL In-Reply-To: <20010521203514-r01010600-7377afe6@10.0.0.15> Message-ID: Will this work if there are any other tags in the paragraphs?? Or do you have to give up using any other tags for this to work? Thanks, Ron White If you want to make the first paragraph in a sequence have no indent, but with the following paragraphs having an indent, *and* you don't want to use a lot of nasty class attributes to do it, CSS2 contextual selectors provide an easy way. The E+F type selector (select element F immediately preceded by element E) Is a really easy way to do this: P { font: 12pt/18pt a font; text-indent: 0; } P+P { text-indent: 12pt; } The P+P selector will select all

tags that are immediately preceded by a

tag, which is all

tags except the first in a sequence. i.e.

head

first para

next para

more para

. Since the first para is immediately preceded by an

the P+P selector won't match it, so its text-indent remains zero. From ltu97mp at reading.ac.uk Mon May 21 15:00:05 2001 From: ltu97mp at reading.ac.uk (Matt Patterson) Date: Mon May 21 15:00:05 2001 Subject: CSS2 was RE: [thelist] Aimster must give up domain to AOL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010521205920-r01010600-42e2fccf@10.0.0.15> On 21/5/01 at 3:51 pm, ronwhite at members.evolt.org (Ron White) wrote: > Will this work if there are any other tags in the paragraphs?? Or do you > have to give up using any other tags for this to work? It works. It's dependent on Siblings - elements which are on the same level, in terms of hierarchy, as each other:

The two

s at the same level as

and
are siblings of those elements. The is a child of the

that contains it, so it doesn't affect the relationships between its parent and its parent's sibling elements. The

s which are children of the

(a film, surely...) are siblings of each other but not of the first two

s. That probably doesn't make much sense, sorry. Matt ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matt Patterson: Student Reading University Department of Typography & Graphic Communication ltu97mp at reading.ac.uk http://www.rdg.ac.uk/~ltu97mp/ 'Can they fly?' asked Roo. 'Yes,' said Tigger, 'they're very good flyers, Tiggers are. Strornry good flyers.' 'Oo!' said Roo. 'Can they fly as well as Owl?' 'Yes,' said Tigger. 'Only they don't want to.' From webmaster at equilon-mrc.com Mon May 21 15:02:20 2001 From: webmaster at equilon-mrc.com (James Aylard) Date: Mon May 21 15:02:20 2001 Subject: [thelist] CSS Contextual Selectors (was "Aimster must give up domain to AOL") References: <20010521203514-r01010600-7377afe6@10.0.0.15> Message-ID: <01a301c0e232$15775c40$2860398a@newcos.com> Matt, > If you want to make the first paragraph in a sequence have no indent, but > with the following paragraphs having an indent, *and* you don't want to use a > lot of nasty class attributes to do it, CSS2 contextual selectors provide an > easy way.... ...Provided that you understand that it will work in few browsers currently in use (Netscape 6.x and Opera 3+). It will *not* work in any version of IE, up to and including IE 6 PP1 -- nor, unsurprisingly, in Netscape 4.x. James Aylard From joxn at vernum.com Mon May 21 15:12:25 2001 From: joxn at vernum.com (Joxn) Date: Mon May 21 15:12:25 2001 Subject: [thelist] PHP + mysql.sock Message-ID: <3B0976D8.46AA6778@vernum.com> Hi, just grabbed php-4.0.5 for our RedHat6 box and compiled it with ./configure --with-mysql --with-apxs --enable-track-vars Since then I get: Warning: MySQL Connection Failed: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/tmp/mysql.sock' (111) in Before we had php-4.0.4p1 and I compiled it with the same flags. As it turns out mySQL saves the socket to /var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock. To solve the problem rightaway, I simply set a symbolic link in /tmp to that file. However, I'd like to get rid of that link again. So where do I need to make a change? Should I change anything to mySQL or is it PHP that needs another option? TIA, Joxn -- || //\\ \\// |\\|| :: joxn at vernum.com :: \\|| \\// //\\ ||\\| :: 8053703 :: From colin_mitchell at wgbh.org Mon May 21 15:17:00 2001 From: colin_mitchell at wgbh.org (Colin Mitchell) Date: Mon May 21 15:17:00 2001 Subject: [thelist] Pop-up when user leaves site. In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010522071110.00af37f0@redhotsweeps.com> Message-ID: Hey All - This is my first post here. Hi all. My name's Colin, and I work at WGBH in Boston. We produce Nova, Antique's Roadshow, Frontline, yadda yadda yadda, and I work on the local website. Anyway, I have some code that does what you ask for. But first, a warning: doing this is annoying as heck to your users. We redesigned our website last summer, and chose to have a 'floating navigation' popup whenever a user left our site, and went to either a PBS site, an NPR site, or a section of our own site that wasn't linked into the new site. We made this choice because we wanted to give the user a chance to get back to our site once they had floated around somewhere else. However, I have definite issues against doing it if it can all be avoided. Anyway, what we do is this: we have a wgbh.js file that gets included into every page. It sets an event handler, and includes the functions that get called when the user leaves the page. You can probably cut out the externalLink function - that's where I check to see if this is a URL that should get the floating nav. Other than that though, this code should essentially work out of the box. Once again, I warn you against doing this unless you really feel it's needed. Here's the code: // lets initialize some stuff here var myHost = "www.wgbh.org"; var myPath = "/"; function popHelper() { var $url = 'http://' + myHost + myPath + 'floating_nav.html'; myHeight = 81; myWidth = 681; yPos = screen.availHeight - myHeight - 20; optionStr = "scrollbars=no,location=no,width=" + myWidth + ",height=" + myHeight + ",screenY=" + yPos; helpWindow = window.open( $url, "NavBar", optionStr ); } // pophelper // // Event catching goes here... // var fNetscape = navigator.appName.indexOf("Microsoft") != -1 ? false : true; if ( fNetscape == true ) { // For Netscape // set the event handler for clicks here window.captureEvents(Event.CLICK); window.onclick=checklink; } else { // for IE // set the event handler for clicks here document.onclick=checklink; } // we need to check for two types of links here // - true external links // - internal links that are to static, old pages function externalLink( url ) { externalPages = new Array("npr.org","pbs.org","pbskids.org","publicinteractive.net","saysyou.org ","interactive.wgbh.org", "main.wgbh.org"); internalPages = new Array("pages/gboston","pages/bostonarts","pages/basicblack","/eyeoned"); var s = String(url); for ( var i = 0; i < externalPages.length; i++ ) { var re = externalPages[i]; if ( s.search(re) != -1 ) { return 1; } } // for for ( var i = 0; i < internalPages.length; i++ ) { var re = internalPages[i]; if ( s.search(re) != -1 ) { return 1; } } // for // // no luck, so return 0 // return 0; } // externalLink function checklink(e) { // in IE, the event isnt passed to the handler. This will take care of that. if ( fNetscape == false ) { e = window.event; url = e.srcElement; } else { element = e.target; url = element.href; } // element should be an object of type Link if ( url && externalLink( url ) ) { popHelper(); } } on 5/22/01 7:16 AM, CDitty at mail at redhotsweeps.com wrote: > Not impossible, per say....You could add some JS code to each link that > leaves your site that will call you JS popup function. That is the only > way I can see it done. Talk about a real pain in the a** if you have a lot > of external links. Ouch. > > Another way would be to open a frame. Have the top frame be 1 pixel > high. And just do 1 popup onload. Just a thought. > > Chris > > > Ok, not really a tip, but it's the best thing I can think of this early. > > Go see Shrek. It was FUNNY. Worth every penny. Not really for > kids but nothing that would really embarrass the parents. > > > At 07:10 AM 5/21/2001, you wrote: > >>> I want to have a pop-up window come up when a user leaves my website. >>> >>> I have found several scripts that work when a user leaves a "page", but I >>> only want the pop-up to come up when they leave the "site". >>> >>> Know what I mean? >> >> In practice this can't be done, because you cannot find out if the new >> page is from a new site. If the page is in another site you're not allowed >> to read out the location, so you cannot tell the location of the new page. >> >> So: this is impossible. >> >> ppk > > > --------------------------------------- > For unsubscribe and other options, including > the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: > http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From ronwhite at members.evolt.org Mon May 21 15:20:30 2001 From: ronwhite at members.evolt.org (Ron White) Date: Mon May 21 15:20:30 2001 Subject: [thelist] RE: CSS2 In-Reply-To: <20010521205920-r01010600-42e2fccf@10.0.0.15> Message-ID: Nope, made plenty sense, to me anyway... Kewl tip :-) Thanks, Ron White From alligotar at gmx.net Mon May 21 15:29:50 2001 From: alligotar at gmx.net (Jakob =?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F6lling?=) Date: Mon May 21 15:29:50 2001 Subject: [thelist] Playing with MIME type (was: Downloading .jpg & .pdf files) References: <3B07DBCC.15608.5ED5DA1@localhost> <3B095F88.30CFF11F@avencom.com> Message-ID: <3B097AC9.3044AAFF@gmx.net> Morn: Joe Crawford schrieb: > > > With an NCSA-compatible server like Apache, you simply put a files > > in a special download-only directory, and stick an .htaccess file in > > that directory for each file type: > > AddType application/octet-stream jpg > > AddType application/octet-stream pdf > > > > Since the application/octet-stream MIME type is simply a stream of > > 8-bit data of unknown use, there aren't going to be any applications > > set up to open it. If you want to have fun, you can use > > AddType application/evolt-download-only jpg > > AddType application/evolt-download-only pdf > > or even > > AddType be/mine jpg > > AddType true/love pdf > > Is this going to work on IE/Windows? It's my understanding that IE makes > guesses about files with strange MIME types based on the extension. Have > you used this successfully? It's an interesting and clever shorthand (I > like!) - but does it work to bring up the "prompt to save" box for most > browsers in a reliable way? And does doing it this way impact Macintosh? > It seems like feeding an unknown mime type might make it unviewable (to > most users) on the Mac side. Joe, be calm, it will. This is not HTML as you might not noticed, these are instructions for *server* how it has to deliver data. If have installed Acrobat and you follow link that refers to pdf file, normally the browser plugin of Acrobat kicks in and displays the file. This is the default scenario. But if you tell your server to deliver as binary data, you'll be prompted in your browser where you would to store the files. That's the difference. Hope you're satisfied, Jakob -- To Unix or not to Unix. That is the question whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer slings and arrows of vast documentation or to take arms against a sea of buggy OS and by raping the support lines end then? ;> From david_shadovitz at xontech.com Mon May 21 15:38:20 2001 From: david_shadovitz at xontech.com (David Shadovitz) Date: Mon May 21 15:38:20 2001 Subject: [thelist] CF (SQL?): query.columnlist Message-ID: <3B097CC0.9992BBF8@xontech.com> Judah, Check out my CF_ColumnList custom tag at the Developers Exchange. I've got a demo on my eVolt site, members.evolt.org/dshadovi/index.cfm. It's pure CFML and it'll do exactly what you want. -David > ...the problem is that the query column list comes out in alphabetical > order. I'm not quite sure whether SQL is returning the list alphabetically > or wether CF is changing the sort order when it turns it into a list. Does > anyone have an idea about an SQL or CF hack that will return the column > list to me in the order I created them in the database? From r937 at interlog.com Mon May 21 15:41:25 2001 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Mon May 21 15:41:25 2001 Subject: [thelist] aliteracy and icons Message-ID: <01c0e235$f957d180$7946149a@rudy> today's eLabsReport ("an eNewsletter from Ziff Davis") contains a column by one Peter Coffee entitled App Design Demands Simple Communication, in which the same Washington Post article is cited that was mentioned in ben's recent evolt article -- In a Hurry: Choosing Not To Read http://evolt.org/article/Read/25/10457/index.html i was going to post this as a comment to ben's article, but ya know, i'm gonna grab about half of the eLabsReport column, and i'm not sure i want to go through this long explanation there, so instead, and to compensate for the content ripoff, i'll just add a link for anybody interested in getting a ZD enewsletter to go to -- http://enewsletters.ziffdavis.com/pc_subscribe.asp?SubID=44 anyhow, the part that caught my eye about aliteracy was this -- In Neal Stephenson's futuristic novel, "The Diamond Age," a little girl only knows how to "read" animated icons. When her older brother refers to something by the initials of its full name, she's confused, but he explains that the shorter name comes from the way that the long name looks in letters. She asks, "What are letters?" Her brother explains: "Kinda like mediaglyphics except they're all black, and they're tiny, they don't move, they're old and boring and really hard to read. But you can use 'em to make short words for long words." Stephenson offers some far-reaching visions in this book, which is set in a time of ubiquitous nanotechnology, but his prediction of the disappearance of literacy (borne out by the research I've mentioned above) is perhaps the most troubling. And we can't just say, "Well, we'll do it with icons." For one thing, icons can be at least as ambiguous as words. In one famous example, the broken-glass icon that marks fragile objects' packaging was misinterpreted by freight handlers as meaning "damaged goods." They treated the boxes accordingly. Furthermore, the lack of interest in learning things spreads up the chain from one medium to another. A survey in the United Kingdom found that 95 percent of consumers did not understand the laboriously designed clothing-care symbols that have been devised for labels there to avoid the need for wordy instructions. this calls to mind the ubiquitous house icon for the "home" page (as if we all live in houses, eh?), or the hammer & wrench icon for "services" which i always see as meaning "if this site looks broken, go here to fix it" rudy From jay.blanchard at thermon.com Mon May 21 15:42:50 2001 From: jay.blanchard at thermon.com (J. Blanchard) Date: Mon May 21 15:42:50 2001 Subject: [thelist] What really sucks about 3rd party e-mail Message-ID: <200105212042.f4LKgn014552@leo.evolt.org> Fow whatever reason (probably something financial in nature)some third-party e-mail services buffer your e-mail so that even if you sent a quick response to a lists members plight that response may not arrive in a timely fashion...say within a few moments of the actual response. Does anyone have any hints to help find a third-party, preferably free, e-mail service that does not cache/buffer/fold/spindle/or otherwise mutilate your e-mail? wwjbd... Jay Blanchard Web Engineer Thermon Industries, Inc. 1.800.820.HEAT x327 PS. This'll probably arrive before the one I sent two hours ago to respond to a post. ___________________________________________________________________________ Visit http://www.visto.com/info, your free web-based communications center. Visto.com. Life on the Dot. From alex.staerck at libertysurf.co.uk Mon May 21 15:53:10 2001 From: alex.staerck at libertysurf.co.uk (Alex Staerck) Date: Mon May 21 15:53:10 2001 Subject: [thelist] [fwd] Vector Maps References: <001722812031351BUNSON@bunson.webservepro.com> Message-ID: <011501c0e238$88d1ca30$36d993c3@archetyp4nqdf1> The clipart disc that is part of CorelDraw 6/7/8/9 contains a pretty reasonable selection and all editable Alex > > >Hi all, sorry if this question has been posted before - I'm in a hurry... > >I'm looking for vector outline maps of the united states, central > america, > >and europe. > > > --------------------------------------- > For unsubscribe and other options, including > the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: > http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From webshot at neoncowboy.com Mon May 21 16:00:18 2001 From: webshot at neoncowboy.com (John Corry) Date: Mon May 21 16:00:18 2001 Subject: [thelist] php custom error handling In-Reply-To: <200105212042.f4LKgn014552@leo.evolt.org> Message-ID: In an effort to remove unsightly query strings from my site's URLs (and in the name of experimentation) I am trying to set up custom error handling by placing a redirect script on the 404 page... The admin for the server gave me these instructions: "Simply name your custom error page badurl.php and FTP it to your www directory, make sure the the file is owned by your username and that the permissions are set correctly." So, I have this script at the very top of the file 'badurl.php': but, it isn't happening. try it... http://www.sugarbeachresort.net/grounds should hit the script on badurl.php, then redirect to http://www.sugarbeachresort.net?page=grounds , it doesn't...just gives me a real generic 404 page. Any thoughts on why this doesn't work? The permissions for that file are read/execute for owner, group and other...if that matters. thanks, John Corry From Anthony at Baratta.com Mon May 21 16:19:35 2001 From: Anthony at Baratta.com (Anthony Baratta) Date: Mon May 21 16:19:35 2001 Subject: [thelist] php custom error handling In-Reply-To: References: <200105212042.f4LKgn014552@leo.evolt.org> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010521141736.02b0bd38@baratta.com> At 01:59 PM 5/21/2001, you wrote: >Any thoughts on why this doesn't work? Make an .htaccess file (in the web root directory) and put the following in it: ErrorDocument 404 /badurl.php ---- Anthony Baratta President Keyboard Jockeys From ltu97mp at reading.ac.uk Mon May 21 16:21:30 2001 From: ltu97mp at reading.ac.uk (Matt Patterson) Date: Mon May 21 16:21:30 2001 Subject: [thelist] CSS Contextual Selectors (was "Aimster must give up domain to AOL") In-Reply-To: <01a301c0e232$15775c40$2860398a@newcos.com> Message-ID: <20010521222042-r01010600-3a9ca19f@10.0.0.15> On 21/5/01 at 1:10 pm, webmaster at equilon-mrc.com (James Aylard) wrote: > ...Provided that you understand that it will work in few browsers > currently in use (Netscape 6.x and Opera 3+). It will *not* work in any > version of IE, up to and including IE 6 PP1 -- nor, unsurprisingly, in > Netscape 4.x. No, but IE5/Mac Opera 5 and Mozilla/Netscape 6 is pretty good, and IE6 beta certainly supports P+P and I think that 5 and 5.5 do to - although I can't remember for certain. As far as other contextual selectors go the field does become rather more limited, the articles about redesigning ALA are a case in point and make interesting reading. Matt ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matt Patterson: Student Reading University Department of Typography & Graphic Communication ltu97mp at reading.ac.uk http://www.rdg.ac.uk/~ltu97mp/ 'They haven't got Brains, any of them, only Grey fluff that's blown into their heads by mistake,' - Eeyore From andrew at thepander.co.nz Mon May 21 16:22:45 2001 From: andrew at thepander.co.nz (Andrew Forsberg) Date: Mon May 21 16:22:45 2001 Subject: [thelist] php custom error handling In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010521141736.02b0bd38@baratta.com> References: <200105212042.f4LKgn014552@leo.evolt.org> <5.1.0.14.2.20010521141736.02b0bd38@baratta.com> Message-ID: >At 01:59 PM 5/21/2001, you wrote: > >>Any thoughts on why this doesn't work? > >Make an .htaccess file (in the web root directory) and put the >following in it: > >ErrorDocument 404 /badurl.php But check with your hosting company first, as they may not allow you to override this in your .htaccess files. If you are not allowed, and you try to do this, then your whole site may become unavailable. -- Andrew Forsberg http://www.thepander.co.nz/ From fortune_elkins at summithq.com Mon May 21 16:26:35 2001 From: fortune_elkins at summithq.com (Fortune Elkins) Date: Mon May 21 16:26:35 2001 Subject: [thelist] free text scroller Message-ID: <1449413DA482D311B67000508B5A12F5039B640F@mailhost.summithq.com> hiya! our marketing director has asked for a java applet on our home page to scroll "news." of course, she wants a free one. so i checked out the well-known one at http:/kimbat.org/java/TextScroll/TextScroll-HOWTO.html but it apparently offers only a single clickable URL for the whole applet. that is, i can't have each little news thing clickable to its own separate page. i searched the evolt archives but found no recommendations. please offer URLs! tia, fortune ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------- The views and opinions expressed in this email message are the sender's own, and do not necessarily represent the views and opinions of Summit Systems Inc. From jkmcnulty at mediaone.net Mon May 21 16:28:50 2001 From: jkmcnulty at mediaone.net (Jim McNulty) Date: Mon May 21 16:28:50 2001 Subject: [thelist] When does "bought code" become your own ? In-Reply-To: <41C0B6AB2A57D3119ED800A0C9EA392002BE9B06@arnold.bedrock.com> Message-ID: The original license prohibited selling the code. What if you contacted the original company and tried to negotiate a new deal? Maybe you could sell your modified code and split the profit with them, or something like that. It depends entirely on the company that wrote the original program, but it might save you a lot of time and reduce the risk of a lawsuit. --Jim McNulty From mail at redhotsweeps.com Mon May 21 16:33:00 2001 From: mail at redhotsweeps.com (CDitty) Date: Mon May 21 16:33:00 2001 Subject: [thelist] free text scroller In-Reply-To: <1449413DA482D311B67000508B5A12F5039B640F@mailhost.summithq .com> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010522162854.03177960@redhotsweeps.com> How about a dhtml one instead? Instant loading. At 04:26 PM 5/21/2001, you wrote: >hiya! > >our marketing director has asked for a java applet on our home page to >scroll "news." of course, she wants a free one. so i checked out the >well-known one at http:/kimbat.org/java/TextScroll/TextScroll-HOWTO.html > >but it apparently offers only a single clickable URL for the whole applet. >that is, i can't have each little news thing clickable to its own separate >page. > >i searched the evolt archives but found no recommendations. please offer >URLs! > >tia, > >fortune From andrew at thepander.co.nz Mon May 21 16:37:10 2001 From: andrew at thepander.co.nz (Andrew Forsberg) Date: Mon May 21 16:37:10 2001 Subject: [thelist] free text scroller In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010522162854.03177960@redhotsweeps.com> References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010522162854.03177960@redhotsweeps.com> Message-ID: >our marketing director has asked for a java applet on our home page to >scroll "news." of course, she wants a free one. so i checked out the >well-known one at http:/kimbat.org/java/TextScroll/TextScroll-HOWTO.html >[...] >i searched the evolt archives but found no recommendations. please offer >URLs! I haven't tried any of them personally, but earthweb's jars site had pages and pages of 'news ticker's when I just searched at: http://www.jars.com/jars_search.html The top one (Gutenberg) didn't look half bad. -- Andrew Forsberg http://www.thepander.co.nz/ From RyanF at SonicFoundry.com Mon May 21 16:43:45 2001 From: RyanF at SonicFoundry.com (Ryan Finley) Date: Mon May 21 16:43:45 2001 Subject: [thelist] free text scroller Message-ID: <50A821699F5FCB4585601CDD0EC89D28019DF7@flash> >our marketing director has asked for a java applet on our home page to >scroll "news." of course, she wants a free one. so i checked out the >well-known one at http:/kimbat.org/java/TextScroll/TextScroll-HOWTO.html >[...] >i searched the evolt archives but found no recommendations. please offer >URLs! Here's an idea...Tell the marketing director NO WAY! Java applets suck. Better yet, gather up a bunch of reasons why applets suck: - slow to load - incompatible - crashes browsers - scroller applets look cheesy Just because the higher-ups ask for it...you're the one who's going to be responsible for replacing it (once users start complaining). Following orders doesn't abdicate responsibility... Just a thought. Ryan Finley President - SurveyMonkey.com (http://www.surveymonkey.com) From jay.blanchard at thermon.com Mon May 21 16:44:00 2001 From: jay.blanchard at thermon.com (J. Blanchard) Date: Mon May 21 16:44:00 2001 Subject: [thelist] Difference between and Message-ID: <200105212143.f4LLhu017733@leo.evolt.org> ------ It's surprising, but I've been using HTML for a significant portion of my life and I don't know the difference. I was reading the guidelines for article submissions to Evolt, and it was talking about defining structure and defining style. The same went for and tags. What's the difference? Why is it important? ------ and came first, then and , which became popular for use with the tag. has become depricated, possibly and will follow as and more closely follow the origianl spirit if HTML and separating content from mark-up. There is no real difference, except for that pesky habit of some browsers to employ one recommendation while another ignores recommendations all together. On another note, you said, "I've been using HTML for a significant portion of my life." Are you really that young? :) wwjbd... Jay Blanchard Web Engineer Thermon Industries, Inc. 1.800.820.HEAT x327 ___________________________________________________________________________ Visit http://www.visto.com/info, your free web-based communications center. Visto.com. Life on the Dot. From mwarden at odyssey-design.com Mon May 21 16:50:55 2001 From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Mon May 21 16:50:55 2001 Subject: [thelist] free text scroller References: <50A821699F5FCB4585601CDD0EC89D28019DF7@flash> Message-ID: <02cf01c0e240$323dd030$93ac1b18@patk3mzsmhxpqb> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > Better yet, gather up a bunch of reasons why applets suck: ... > - incompatible ... as compared to what? > - crashes browsers all applets? > - scroller applets look cheesy all scroller applets? > Just because the higher-ups ask for it...you're the one who's going > to be responsible for replacing it (once users start complaining). > Following orders doesn't abdicate responsibility... I doubt anyone will complain. I am no fan of java applets when other solutions are available, but I don't agree with your reasons above (other than "slow to load"). Personally, I'd show the benefits of other solutions rather than give the higherups the "java applets suck" speech. Just a thought. - -- mattwarden mattwarden.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOwmN33gH0dUmEhrcEQIIsQCgzJw7BNrkA4jU39uaRv19R6XF7sQAnRkB OaaAGJVHEH19GkRD5ffq2Ekv =0leu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From RyanF at SonicFoundry.com Mon May 21 16:52:56 2001 From: RyanF at SonicFoundry.com (Ryan Finley) Date: Mon May 21 16:52:56 2001 Subject: [thelist] free text scroller Message-ID: <50A821699F5FCB4585601CDD0EC89D28019DF8@flash> << Personally, I'd show the benefits of other solutions rather than give the higherups the "java applets suck" speech. Just a thought. >> Use a flash scroller. Let the debate begin... ;) Ryan Finley President - SurveyMonkey.com (http://www.surveymonkey.com) From webmaster at equilon-mrc.com Mon May 21 16:59:21 2001 From: webmaster at equilon-mrc.com (James Aylard) Date: Mon May 21 16:59:21 2001 Subject: [thelist] CSS Contextual Selectors (was "Aimster must give up domain to AOL") References: <20010521222042-r01010600-3a9ca19f@10.0.0.15> Message-ID: <01ec01c0e242$70111320$2860398a@newcos.com> Matt, > No, but IE5/Mac Opera 5 and Mozilla/Netscape 6 is pretty good, and IE6 beta > certainly supports P+P and I think that 5 and 5.5 do to - although I can't > remember for certain. This kind of contextual selector won't work in *any* version of IE, including the IE 6 beta. That's the big drawback. In IE 4+ you can use descendant selectors: p span { font-weight: bold ; } ...meaning that any element that is a descendant of a

element will, in this example, be bolded. But not child selectors (p > span) or immediate predecessor selectors (p + span), or most of the other very powerful selector types described in the CSS 2 recommendation. That is one of the big weaknesses of IE's CSS implementation. James Aylard From alligotar at gmx.net Mon May 21 17:02:56 2001 From: alligotar at gmx.net (Jakob =?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F6lling?=) Date: Mon May 21 17:02:56 2001 Subject: [thelist] Apache 1.2.6 Q References: <3B05B33E.C322CD9@gmx.net> <3B05B7B7.38262E7B@webtuitive.com> Message-ID: <3B0990A2.4F358E6B@gmx.net> Hassan, > LogFormat "%h %l %u %t \"%r\" %>s %b \"%{Referer}i\" \"%{User-Agent}i\"" combined > LogFormat "%h %l %u %t \"%r\" %>s %b" common > LogFormat "%{Referer}i -> %U" referer > LogFormat "%{User-agent}i" agent one question: can I add these lines add to the .htaccess-file or is required that these lines are in the main server configuration section? Thanks, Jakob D?lling -- To Unix or not to Unix. That is the question whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer slings and arrows of vast documentation or to take arms against a sea of buggy OS and by raping the support lines end then? ;> Contact: /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \/Jakob D?lling \/EMail: mailto:alligott at yahoo.com \/ <>Treuerzipfel 13 <>ICQ #: 47326203 <> /\D-38678 Clausthal /\ICQ pager: mailto:47326203 at pager.icq.com /\ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ /\Webmaster of http://www.bank-ic.de/ /\ \/--------------------------------------------------------------\/ From paola at limitless.co.uk Mon May 21 17:03:31 2001 From: paola at limitless.co.uk (Paola Kathuria) Date: Mon May 21 17:03:31 2001 Subject: Session variables (was: [thelist] Pop-up when user leaves site.) References: <3B092C02.9443.B0EE285@localhost> <14ba01c0e229$67d14b80$40aefea9@DWARFS> Message-ID: <3B099185.8D35ADAE@limitless.co.uk> Elfur Logadottir wrote: > hold on, why do I have to be lying if I say that [n] people are visiting my > website now? > > are you saying that there's no way to count that? > > what about session variables? Aha, a challenge! I'd say you can't *definitively* (or practically) say how many people are visiting your web site at any time because of "people" and "now" in that statement. The "people" means that what's visiting your site is a person and not a robot. Won't a robot trigger a new session? You may say you can recognise and remove robots from logs but you would need to be maintaining a database robots on a *weekly* if not daily basis, since that's how often new robots appear. The "now" means that the visitor is *still* visiting your site. Whereas, all you can really know is the last time someone (or something) accessed your site within a session. However, I do think that (server-side non-cookie) sessions are a better way of counting visits (rather than using log analysers). Paola the Pedant From qsfc at home.com Mon May 21 17:10:51 2001 From: qsfc at home.com (Quicksilver) Date: Mon May 21 17:10:51 2001 Subject: [thelist] [OT] Age (was: Difference between and ) References: <200105212143.f4LLhu017733@leo.evolt.org> Message-ID: <000f01c0e243$5f27bd60$70b42a18@yec1.on.wave.home.com> > On another note, you said, "I've been using HTML for a significant portion of my life." Are you really that young? :) I'm 16, and I've been using HTML since I was 12 or 13 (although I wasn't using it very well when I started :). Why, how old are most people on this list? --------------------------------- Quicksilver : qsfc at home.com In php when checking for the existence of an integer variable, instead of writing, if ($var), write, if (isset($var)). If you just write the former, it will return false if $var=0. On the other hand, the isset() function check for the actual existence of a variable. From sgd at ti3.com Mon May 21 17:12:16 2001 From: sgd at ti3.com (Scott Dexter) Date: Mon May 21 17:12:16 2001 Subject: Session variables (was: [thelist] Pop-up when user leaves sit e.) Message-ID: <8C8B8745C0FE7A43BFA6CABAB3211172492D6B@gate.ti3.com> > The "people" means that what's visiting your site is a person > and not a robot. Won't a robot trigger a new session? You > may say you can recognise and remove robots from logs but you > would need to be maintaining a database robots on a *weekly* > if not daily basis, since that's how often new robots appear. A robots.txt file should be used for these cases, and rfc compliant robots will listen to it; hence no need to maintain a db. ref: http://www.robotstxt.org/wc/norobots.html sgd -- think safely From jcrawford at avencom.com Mon May 21 17:24:31 2001 From: jcrawford at avencom.com (Joe Crawford) Date: Mon May 21 17:24:31 2001 Subject: [thelist] Playing with MIME type (was: Downloading .jpg & .pdf files) References: <3B07DBCC.15608.5ED5DA1@localhost> <3B095F88.30CFF11F@avencom.com> <3B097AC9.3044AAFF@gmx.net> Message-ID: <3B099583.345E2313@avencom.com> Jakob D?lling wrote: > Morn: > > Joe Crawford schrieb: > > > > > > With an NCSA-compatible server like Apache, you simply put a files > > > in a special download-only directory, and stick an .htaccess file in > > > that directory for each file type: > > > AddType application/octet-stream jpg > > > AddType application/octet-stream pdf > > > > > > Since the application/octet-stream MIME type is simply a stream of > > > 8-bit data of unknown use, there aren't going to be any applications > > > set up to open it. If you want to have fun, you can use > > > AddType application/evolt-download-only jpg > > > AddType application/evolt-download-only pdf > > > or even > > > AddType be/mine jpg > > > AddType true/love pdf > > > > Is this going to work on IE/Windows? It's my understanding that IE makes > > guesses about files with strange MIME types based on the extension. Have > > you used this successfully? It's an interesting and clever shorthand (I > > like!) - but does it work to bring up the "prompt to save" box for most > > browsers in a reliable way? And does doing it this way impact Macintosh? > > It seems like feeding an unknown mime type might make it unviewable (to > > most users) on the Mac side. > > Joe, > be calm, it will. This is not HTML as you might not noticed, these are > instructions for *server* how it has to deliver data. If have installed > Acrobat and you follow link that refers to pdf file, normally the > browser plugin of Acrobat kicks in and displays the file. This is the > default scenario. But if you tell your server to deliver as binary data, > you'll be prompted in your browser where you would to store the files. > That's the difference. > > Hope you're satisfied, Oh I'm calm, but what you suggested works only if browsers work as they should. Nope. Just tested it here: http://artlung.com/temp/mime/ added an .htaccess file with: AddType application/octet-stream gif And a file: http://artlung.com/temp/mime/blogger-example.gif And in IE5/WinNT it just shows the gif. No prompting. Netscape 4, when viewing the URL, does a prompt box. And I'm quite satisfied, I learned something new. That your solution, while correct to the spec, is not how actual browsers work. - Joe -- Joe Crawford |||||||||||||| mailto:jcrawford at avencom.com |||||||||||||||||||||||| http://www.avencom.com ||||||||||||||||||||||||||| Avencom: Set Your Sites Higher From alligotar at gmx.net Mon May 21 17:40:57 2001 From: alligotar at gmx.net (Jakob =?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F6lling?=) Date: Mon May 21 17:40:57 2001 Subject: [thelist] Playing with MIME type (was: Downloading .jpg & .pdf files) References: <3B07DBCC.15608.5ED5DA1@localhost> <3B095F88.30CFF11F@avencom.com> <3B097AC9.3044AAFF@gmx.net> <3B099583.345E2313@avencom.com> Message-ID: <3B099988.E8F133EA@gmx.net> Joe, > > > Is this going to work on IE/Windows? It's my understanding that IE makes > > > guesses about files with strange MIME types based on the extension. Have > > > you used this successfully? It's an interesting and clever shorthand (I > > > like!) - but does it work to bring up the "prompt to save" box for most > > > browsers in a reliable way? And does doing it this way impact Macintosh? > > > It seems like feeding an unknown mime type might make it unviewable (to > > > most users) on the Mac side. > > > > Joe, > > be calm, it will. This is not HTML as you might have noticed, these are > > instructions for *server* how it has to deliver data. If have installed > > Acrobat and you follow link that refers to pdf file, normally the > > browser plugin of Acrobat kicks in and displays the file. This is the > > default scenario. But if you tell your server to deliver as binary data, > > you'll be prompted in your browser where you would to store the files. > > That's the difference. I think I know something what you will help: If you're installing win32 (which version exactly now it is I think doesn't matter), Windows has associated gif and *.jpg files to IE - I don't know how to forbid Windows to install IE. Did you tried the same thing with a *.jpeg file? And, still something: Opera does the same as IE. Regards, Jakob D?lling -- To Unix or not to Unix. That is the question whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer slings and arrows of vast documentation or to take arms against a sea of buggy OS and by raping the support lines end then? ;> Contact: /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \/Jakob D?lling \/EMail: mailto:alligott at yahoo.com \/ <>Treuerzipfel 13 <>ICQ #: 47326203 <> /\D-38678 Clausthal /\ICQ pager: mailto:47326203 at pager.icq.com /\ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ /\Webmaster of http://www.bank-ic.de/ /\ \/--------------------------------------------------------------\/ From colin at the-net-effect.com Mon May 21 17:48:46 2001 From: colin at the-net-effect.com (Colin F Reynolds) Date: Mon May 21 17:48:46 2001 Subject: [thelist] I should be flogged! In-Reply-To: <200105211448.f4LEmH029501@leo.evolt.org> References: <200105211448.f4LEmH029501@leo.evolt.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 21 May 2001 at 06:36:19, J. Blanchard wrote >There are settings in Microsoft's Exchange Server which will also render >a duplicate of your message in html and place a "content type=text/html" >line in the header. So, even if you send plain text (as you have checked >and selected in the appropriate boxes in Outlook) there is a duplicate >of the message sent with html formating. Good grief. Microsoft must REALLY want everyone to use emauls :(

-- Colin Reynolds "I know you believe you understand what you thought I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard was not what I meant!" From jcrawford at avencom.com Mon May 21 17:49:31 2001 From: jcrawford at avencom.com (Joe Crawford) Date: Mon May 21 17:49:31 2001 Subject: [thelist] Playing with MIME type (was: Downloading .jpg & .pdf files) References: <3B07DBCC.15608.5ED5DA1@localhost> <3B095F88.30CFF11F@avencom.com> <3B097AC9.3044AAFF@gmx.net> <3B099583.345E2313@avencom.com> <3B099988.E8F133EA@gmx.net> Message-ID: <3B099B5E.9B7AB221@avencom.com> Jakob D?lling wrote: > I think I know something what you will help: If you're installing win32 > (which version exactly now it is I think doesn't matter), Windows has > associated gif and *.jpg files to IE - I don't know how to forbid > Windows to install IE. Did you tried the same thing with a *.jpeg file? > > And, still something: Opera does the same as IE. Quickie tests: Netscape 4 - prompt box, Netscape 6, prompt box. IE5, Opera 5.02, WebTV (!) viewer, all just display. No, I didn't test jpg/jpeg files, but I am dubious it would make a difference. The thing is, my associations are what a typical installation would have. And it doesn't work on a typical setup for the majority. The theory is sound, but IE is being 'helpful' in a way that does not necessarily make sense. :-\ I can't see telling people to change their file associations so I can get a prompt dialogue. Best, - Joe -- Joe Crawford |||||||||||||| mailto:jcrawford at avencom.com |||||||||||||||||||||||| http://www.avencom.com ||||||||||||||||||||||||||| Avencom: Set Your Sites Higher From ltu97mp at reading.ac.uk Mon May 21 17:50:31 2001 From: ltu97mp at reading.ac.uk (Matt Patterson) Date: Mon May 21 17:50:31 2001 Subject: [thelist] CSS Contextual Selectors In-Reply-To: <01ec01c0e242$70111320$2860398a@newcos.com> Message-ID: <20010521234923-r01010600-bbe6699e@10.0.0.15> On 21/5/01 at 3:07 pm, webmaster at equilon-mrc.com (James Aylard) wrote: > This kind of contextual selector won't work in *any* version of IE, > including the IE 6 beta. That's the big drawback. I apologise - I just double-checked IE6 beta and it doesn't support E+F... I don't know where I got the idea that it did from. I think I've been using IE5/Mac too long. > ....meaning that any element that is a descendant of a

element > will, in this example, be bolded. But not child selectors (p > span) or > immediate predecessor selectors (p + span), or most of the other very > powerful selector types described in the CSS 2 recommendation. That is one > of the big weaknesses of IE's CSS implementation. The trauma of IE5/PC and IE5.5/PC is still looming large in my mind, but IE6, now it gets the box model right (if pushed), is much more useful. I'd assumed some support for the basic contextual selectors, and I suppose we can hope for the final release. It's still a little funny just how far apart the Mac and PC development teams were able to get... Matt ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matt Patterson: Student Reading University Department of Typography & Graphic Communication ltu97mp at reading.ac.uk http://www.rdg.ac.uk/~ltu97mp/ 'I could call this place Poohanpiglet Corner if Pooh Corner didn't sound better, which it does, being smaller and more like a corner.' From r937 at interlog.com Mon May 21 18:05:01 2001 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Mon May 21 18:05:01 2001 Subject: [thelist] [OT] Age (was: Difference between and ) Message-ID: <01c0e248$4b92abc0$284a149a@rudy> >Why, how old are most people on this list? well, i can only speak for myself ;o) but please, no poll, okay? or if you must, then please remember the web development tip on each post rudy From paola at limitless.co.uk Mon May 21 18:10:11 2001 From: paola at limitless.co.uk (Paola Kathuria) Date: Mon May 21 18:10:11 2001 Subject: Session variables (was: [thelist] Pop-up when user leaves site.) References: <8C8B8745C0FE7A43BFA6CABAB3211172492D64@gate.ti3.com> Message-ID: <3B09A130.3C353536@limitless.co.uk> Scott Dexter wrote: > Statistics programs typically employ algorithms that consider how recently > pages were viewed by individual ip addresses to come up with a "44 people > are visiting" number. Which stats programs are you referring to? If you mean log analysers (to say how many people visited rather than are visiting), I know that WebTrends, for instance, has no such cleverness. It defines a visit as an access from an IP address within 30 mins from the last access, by default (see http://www.webtrends.com/support/hits_views_sessions.htm). So WebTrends would say these (shortened) log lies of a single visit describes 10 visits (each using MSIE 5.0 on Windows NT). anchovy.ulcc.wwwcache.ja.net 14:35 colour.html - Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows NT; DigExt) mozzarella.ulcc.wwwcache.ja.net 14:36 216.html /colour.html Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows NT; DigExt) ham.ulcc.wwwcache.ja.net 14:36 33ccff.html /216.html Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows NT; DigExt) anchovy.ulcc.wwwcache.ja.net 14:37 3399ff.html /216.html Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows NT; DigExt) fides.ulcc.wwwcache.ja.net 14:37 33ffff.html /216.html Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows NT; DigExt) pineapple.ulcc.wwwcache.ja.net 14:37 66ffff.html /216.html Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows NT; DigExt) green.uni.ac.uk 14:37 66ccff.html /216.html Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows NT; DigExt) basil.ulcc.wwwcache.ja.net 14:37 6699ff.html /216.html Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows NT; DigExt) tomato.ulcc.wwwcache.ja.net 14:37 0099ff.html /216.html Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows NT; DigExt) anchovy.ulcc.wwwcache.ja.net 14:38 ffccff.html /216.html Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows NT; DigExt) mozzarella.ulcc.wwwcache.ja.net 14:38 ffcc33.html /216.html Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows NT; DigExt) anchovy.ulcc.wwwcache.ja.net 14:38 6600ff.html /216.html Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows NT; DigExt) green.uni.ac.uk 14:38 ccffcc.html /216.html Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows NT; DigExt) mozzarella.ulcc.wwwcache.ja.net 14:38 ccff66.html /216.html Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows NT; DigExt) tomato.ulcc.wwwcache.ja.net 14:38 ccffff.html /216.html Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows NT; DigExt) jalapeno.ulcc.wwwcache.ja.net 14:38 ffffff.html /216.html Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows NT; DigExt) oregano.ulcc.wwwcache.ja.net 14:39 216bg.html /colour.html Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows NT; DigExt) Server-side sessions would see this properly as one visit. > A robots.txt file should be used for these cases, and rfc compliant robots > will listen to it; hence no need to maintain a db. Many, if not most, robots ignore robots.txt - that's because much of the robot activity is initiated by individuals to collect e-mail addresses from web pages (such as EmailSiphon), copy whole sites, to copy images, pdfs, to search for specific content (such as sexsearcher) or as offline browsers. And many of those don't honour robots.txt In any case, how is robots.txt relevant when being able to say how many visitors one'e having or had? Paola From sabrina.dent at appercept.co.uk Mon May 21 18:11:46 2001 From: sabrina.dent at appercept.co.uk (Sabrina Dent, Apperception) Date: Mon May 21 18:11:46 2001 Subject: [thelist] [OT] Age (was: Difference between and ) References: <20010521224242.C8CADA11@relay.evolt.org> Message-ID: <00f201c0e313$d539e980$1beb7bd5@sabrina> > From: "Quicksilver" > I'm 16, and I've been using HTML since I was 12 or 13 (although I wasn't > using it very well when I started :). > > Why, how old are most people on this list? Good God. I'm suddenly feeling a very ancient 29. We have network admins and programmers working for us who are 20, 21 and thereabouts. I initially found it comical in interviews to ask someone who is 20, "And how long have you been coding in Perl?" I now find it just plain frightening when the answer is "Eight years." --Bri Browser Sizing (Testing) Use bookmarklets from DreamInk to add shortcuts to your Favorites or Bookmarks list and quickly view your pages at different, predefined, standard resolutions in the same browser: http://www.dreamink.com/design6.shtmlVhttp://www.dreamink.com/design6.shtml 1/3 of the way down :o) Very useful for lazy folks like me. From bobd at members.evolt.org Mon May 21 18:15:41 2001 From: bobd at members.evolt.org (Bob Davis) Date: Mon May 21 18:15:41 2001 Subject: [thelist] [OT] Age (was: Difference between and ) In-Reply-To: <01c0e248$4b92abc0$284a149a@rudy> Message-ID: <200105212315.f4LNFvx03491@chmls05.mediaone.net> On Monday, May 21, 2001, at 06:49 PM, rudy wrote: >> Why, how old are most people on this list? > > well, i can only speak for myself ;o) > > but please, no poll, okay? > > or if you must, then please remember the web development tip on each > post Actually, if you want to talk about this - you might use it for the excuse you needed to join up with thelist. http://lists.evolt.org/mailman/listinfo/thechat http://lists.evolt.org/thechatarchive/ To quote : This is the evolt.org social mailing list - useful for discussion about how to tell whether someone's a witch (hint, if she weighs the same as a duck...), weather, what hockey's about, cat photos, evolt get-togethers etc etc etc. Basically, if it's about web development, it belongs on thelist. If not, it's here. What's ontopic there is offtopic here & vice versa. :) bob -- bob davis bobd at members.evolt.org From hassan at webtuitive.com Mon May 21 19:08:47 2001 From: hassan at webtuitive.com (Hassan Schroeder) Date: Mon May 21 19:08:47 2001 Subject: [thelist] Apache 1.2.6 Q References: <3B05B33E.C322CD9@gmx.net> <3B05B7B7.38262E7B@webtuitive.com> <3B0990A2.4F358E6B@gmx.net> Message-ID: <3B09ADE2.604678B5@webtuitive.com> Jakob D?lling wrote: > > LogFormat "%h %l %u %t \"%r\" %>s %b \"%{Referer}i\" \"%{User-Agent}i\"" combined > > LogFormat "%h %l %u %t \"%r\" %>s %b" common > > LogFormat "%{Referer}i -> %U" referer > > LogFormat "%{User-agent}i" agent > > one question: can I add these lines add to the .htaccess-file or is > required that these lines are in the main server configuration section? dunno - never thought about it :-) but my impression looking at other directive comments in the httpd.conf file is that it's on a per-(virtual)-server basis rather than by directories ... Anyone else more familiar with this? -- H* Hassan Schroeder ----------------------------- hassan at webtuitive.com Webtuitive Design ---(+1) 408-938-0567 --- http://www.webtuitive.com -- creating dynamic Web sites and applications since 1994 -- From gozz at gozz.com Mon May 21 21:11:12 2001 From: gozz at gozz.com (Erik Mattheis) Date: Mon May 21 21:11:12 2001 Subject: [thelist] AOL gif compression glitch? Message-ID: From the AOL Barf Department: A friend took this screenshot of a gif for me from AOL - discoloration on a portion of the image: This is the original gif: On the same computer, Netscape and IE display it fine. Is there anything to do but sigh? Can someone else confirm whether or not it's happens with their AOL ? -- - Erik Mattheis "For best results, pronounce muh THEIGH ess." (612) 827 3963 From moni at teamsphere.com Mon May 21 21:11:22 2001 From: moni at teamsphere.com (Moniruvwe Orife) Date: Mon May 21 21:11:22 2001 Subject: [thelist] Freelance Proposal letter In-Reply-To: <20010518223107.81F47E33@relay.evolt.org> Message-ID: When working as a freelance designer/devloper, (as I know a lot of the people who read this have or currently are) the inital proposal/contact letter is very important. I've never actually used one of these, as the communication for my past freelance work has always primarily vocal. In any case, I have to do one of these now & it's a little intimidating because I want to make a good impression. The client is in the business of firearms/fireworks (is this why i want to make a good impression? ;) ) and currently has a static 1st generation website that primarily comprises a parts/price listing. I know I want to cover certain areas, - initiate conversation about the purpose & functionality of the site (perhaps by suggestion & showing him other similar websites) - initiate conversation about the look & feel (again, perhaps by suggestion) - technical aspects such as domain name registration and website hosting - a small note about the benefits of a well designed website (first impression, design, content, usability, credibility, etc.) - discuss pricing That's what i'm thinking right now. Did I leave anything out? Do you have any suggestions? Do you have any sample letters that i can take a look at? Thanks. - moni From qsfc at home.com Mon May 21 21:25:22 2001 From: qsfc at home.com (Quicksilver) Date: Mon May 21 21:25:22 2001 Subject: [thelist] AOL gif compression glitch? References: Message-ID: <000d01c0e266$effdc0a0$70b42a18@yec1.on.wave.home.com> > Is there anything to do but sigh? I don't think so... while I'm at my grandparents' house and using the AOL browser, I notice that it does some funny stuff with images... they usually look garbled and compressed. *sigh* From gozz at gozz.com Mon May 21 21:29:52 2001 From: gozz at gozz.com (Erik Mattheis) Date: Mon May 21 21:29:52 2001 Subject: [thelist] Freelance Proposal letter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'd say the best thing would be to make half of it about your Luger and another third about your French Revolution ball and cock rifle. No, seriously, I don't if I would open up with a lot of discussion about what the client wants - they're hiring you to make a good website, not the website they think they want ... perhaps try to find out about their target audience instead. That would be my suggestion. >The client is in the business of firearms/fireworks (is this why i want to >make a good impression? ;) ) and currently has a static 1st generation >website that primarily comprises a parts/price listing. > >I know I want to cover certain areas, >- initiate conversation about the purpose & functionality of the site >(perhaps by suggestion & showing him other similar websites) >- initiate conversation about the look & feel (again, perhaps by suggestion) >- technical aspects such as domain name registration and website hosting >- a small note about the benefits of a well designed website (first >impression, design, content, usability, credibility, etc.) >- discuss pricing -- - Erik Mattheis "For best results, pronounce muh THEIGH ess." (612) 827 3963 From hblair at bigfoot.com Mon May 21 21:54:57 2001 From: hblair at bigfoot.com (Hugh Blair) Date: Mon May 21 21:54:57 2001 Subject: [thelist] AOL gif compression glitch? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Both of these links look the same to me on this LCD. Sorry, but my AOL is down so I can't use it for a direct look at the issue. -Hugh > A friend took this screenshot of a gif for me from AOL - > discoloration on a portion of the image: > > > This is the original gif: > From mark.cheng at ranger.com.au Mon May 21 21:57:07 2001 From: mark.cheng at ranger.com.au (Mark Cheng) Date: Mon May 21 21:57:07 2001 Subject: [thelist] auto-replacing links (was: Pop-up when user leaves site) In-Reply-To: <003a01c0e21c$ac19af60$70b42a18@yec1.on.wave.home.com> Message-ID: >>>> Now, I have a question. Is it possible to write a JavaScript function >>>that >>>> will automatically change every link on a page to point to >>>somewhere else >>>> (just like "index.jhtml"). It would be pain to do this manually... sure - its easy if you want to make the same replacement in every link ie - foo.html to foo.Jhtml. all you need to do is access the links object, cycle through it and change the href, either using pattern matching or whatever. Depending upon platform etc you may need cross browser code. below find some code for latest gen browsers : function changeLinks () { var links = document.getElementsByTagname("A"); for (i=0; i Message-ID: <3B099FBF.22388.386B4300@localhost> > From: "skamp" > > Ahem... sorry for asking, but what's wrong with HTML in e-mails ? I'm > just asking for your opinion, that's all. I don't know if that kind of > question should be answered off-list ? Why Developers Don't Want HTML Email http://evolt.org/article/list/25/781/index.html From jmorehead at digitalIMS.com Mon May 21 22:12:42 2001 From: jmorehead at digitalIMS.com (Jason Morehead) Date: Mon May 21 22:12:42 2001 Subject: [thelist] AOL gif compression glitch? In-Reply-To: <000d01c0e266$effdc0a0$70b42a18@yec1.on.wave.home.com> References: <000d01c0e266$effdc0a0$70b42a18@yec1.on.wave.home.com> Message-ID: > > Is there anything to do but sigh? > >I don't think so... while I'm at my grandparents' house and using the AOL >browser, I notice that it does some funny stuff with images... they usually >look garbled and compressed. yeah, we've run into this problem from time to time. a client will call in complaining about how their website looks, and sure enough, they're using aol. i wonder if there's any documentation on this on aol's site. jason -- digital IMS http://www.digitalIMS.com/ 201 n 14th - lincoln, ne 68508 - 402.437.0100 From joshsquared at yahoo.com Mon May 21 22:39:43 2001 From: joshsquared at yahoo.com (Josh Spiegel) Date: Mon May 21 22:39:43 2001 Subject: [thelist] IIS5 DNS In-Reply-To: <3B07DBCC.15608.5ED5DA1@localhost> Message-ID: I am trying to create DNS entries in my cold fusion code. What I want to do is make the web site and then create the DNS entry so I can have an "instant activation" web hosting service. Does anybody know how to do this? Thank you, Josh _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From qsfc at home.com Mon May 21 23:47:48 2001 From: qsfc at home.com (Quicksilver) Date: Mon May 21 23:47:48 2001 Subject: [thelist] Looking for a font: "Myriad" Message-ID: <001301c0e27a$dbe85da0$70b42a18@yec1.on.wave.home.com> Does anyone know where I could find the font called "Myriad"? It's the sans-serif one that's used extensively in the images at Adobe's website, I think it may even be made by Adobe... If you have it and it's not a commercial font, could you e-mail it to me? Thanks, --------------------------------- Quicksilver : qsfc at home.com From michele at wordpro.on.ca Mon May 21 23:50:08 2001 From: michele at wordpro.on.ca (Michele Foster) Date: Mon May 21 23:50:08 2001 Subject: [thelist] AOL gif compression glitch? References: <000d01c0e266$effdc0a0$70b42a18@yec1.on.wave.home.com> Message-ID: <02da01c0e27a$cea6cfa0$6e0f9ad8@mef> Yes there is .. not sure how helpful it is tho. http://webinfo.aol.com/ under graphic info HTH Michele ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Morehead" | yeah, we've run into this problem from time to time. a client will | call in complaining about how their website looks, and sure enough, | they're using aol. i wonder if there's any documentation on this on | aol's site. From paola at limitless.co.uk Tue May 22 00:07:48 2001 From: paola at limitless.co.uk (Paola Kathuria) Date: Tue May 22 00:07:48 2001 Subject: [thelist] Looking for a font: "Myriad" References: <001301c0e27a$dbe85da0$70b42a18@yec1.on.wave.home.com> Message-ID: <3B09F4D5.D058E0C6@limitless.co.uk> Quicksilver wrote: > Does anyone know where I could find the font called "Myriad"? It's the > sans-serif one that's used extensively in the images at Adobe's website, I > think it may even be made by Adobe... It is an Adobe font. You can buy fonts for $22 each from Phil's Fonts: http://www.philsfonts.com/ which has Myriad MM, Myriad Condensed and Myriad Wild families. You can also search for and buy fonts from the Adobe site: http://www.adobe.com/type/ - it has loads more Myriad fonts. And, while I'm at it, another nice font site is http://www.will-harris.com/ Paola From persist1 at io.com Tue May 22 01:08:53 2001 From: persist1 at io.com (Ben Henick) Date: Tue May 22 01:08:53 2001 Subject: [thelist] Freelance Proposal letter In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 21 May 2001, Erik Mattheis wrote: > No, seriously, I don't if I would open up with a lot of discussion > about what the client wants - they're hiring you to make a good > website, not the website they think they want ... perhaps try to find > out about their target audience instead. That would be my suggestion. I second this opinion... In effect, it's a process of making the needs assessment the MOU/contract as well. Target Audience Demographics (if available) Outline of possible architectures Scope Out-of-scope Schedule Likely budget Addenda A client cares about two things: what's he getting, and what he's paying for it. If those two things can be laid out as statements-of-fact (viz. "I will build something that is well-suited to your audience") - even if they're really not - that's usually enough to get approval. Where you may run into problems is if, by providing too much detail, you come across as being worth more than the client feels they can afford (see the "Jackass" thread from last month as a possible example). That outcome deserves a thread of its own, however. -- Ben Henick Web Author At-Large Managing Editor http://www.io.com/persist1/ http://www.digital-web.com/ persist1 at io.com bmh at digital-web.com -- "Are you pondering what I'm pondering, Pinky?" "I think so, Brain, but... (snort) no, no, it's too stupid." "We will disguise ourselves as a cow." "Oh!" (giggles) "That was it exactly!" From m at pleonasm.com Tue May 22 02:27:18 2001 From: m at pleonasm.com (Matt) Date: Tue May 22 02:27:18 2001 Subject: [thelist] AOL gif compression glitch? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010522092521.0079d770@pleonasm.com> Erik Mattheis wrote: > > A friend took this screenshot of a gif for me from AOL - > discoloration on a portion of the image: > As others have noted, The default setting on AOL is for graphics to be compressed, presumably to reduce server load. This became a real problem on on site I was involved in, where the quality of the graphics was of paramount importance; many people using AOL complained about the blotchiness of the photos, although the originals were crystal clear. What we did was put some browser-sniffing JavaScript in each page, so that if the browser was AOL, a small link would appear beneath the photos (which were only on one side of each page), saying "AOL users click here." Clicking would make a small window pop up, containing gentle instructions on how users could improve the appearance of graphics on this and all other sites. When AOL 6 came out, the method of turning off decompression changed, so there were then two sets of instructions. {sigh} The JavaScript was (simplified): function adviseAOL() { if (navigator.appVersion.indexOf('AOL') != -1) { // i.e. if AOL browser is being used *** make your browser do whatever you want here *** } } I'm not a JavaScript expert and didn't code this; this is more for illustration. I hope there isn't a flaw in it. Of course it won't work if JavaScript is disabled, but maybe you can't disable JavaScript in AOL? Anyway, it worked pretty well - we asked people about it, and a lot of AOL users said they followed the instructions and turned off graphics decompression. I'm sure some didn't, but they can't say they weren't advised. HTH ... Matt From gassinaumasis at hotmail.com Tue May 22 03:22:34 2001 From: gassinaumasis at hotmail.com (Peter-Paul Koch) Date: Tue May 22 03:22:34 2001 Subject: [thelist] CSS Contextual Selectors (was "Aimster must give up domain to AOL" Message-ID: > > with the following paragraphs having an indent, *and* you don't want to >use a lot of nasty class attributes to do it, CSS2 contextual selectors >provide an easy way.... > > > ...Provided that you understand that it will work in few browsers >currently in use (Netscape 6.x and Opera 3+). It will *not* work in any >version of IE, up to and including IE 6 PP1 -- nor, unsurprisingly, in >Netscape 4.x. Some of them do work in IE5 Mac, which is much more advanced than any Windows version when it comes to CSS2. For compatibility with CSS2, see my test site http://www.xs4all.nl/~ppk/css2tests/ ppk _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From gassinaumasis at hotmail.com Tue May 22 03:30:54 2001 From: gassinaumasis at hotmail.com (Peter-Paul Koch) Date: Tue May 22 03:30:54 2001 Subject: [thelist] Re: other CSS2 question Message-ID: >P { font: 12pt/18pt a font; text-indent: 0; } Can anyone explain the 12pt/18pt bit above? I've seen it often but I don't have the faintest idea what it means. When do you get 12pt and when 18pt? ppk _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From gassinaumasis at hotmail.com Tue May 22 03:50:49 2001 From: gassinaumasis at hotmail.com (Peter-Paul Koch) Date: Tue May 22 03:50:49 2001 Subject: State or Confusion (was:RE: [thelist] Pop-up when user leaves sit e.) Message-ID: >Thanks, err, Mr. Koch. (How shall I address you, sir?) Eventually everyone end up saying 'ppk', though I admit 'Mr. Koch' is rather stylish . >I might think, then, that the security mechanism is what is prohibitive >about reading it out. Yes, this is a security feature. The purpose is to prevent reading out too much information about the user. If the mechanism weren't there, I could easily write a script that goes through the other open browser windows, notes what pages are shown and thus allow me to create a profile of the user and sell it to advertisers. No go. >So, generally speaking, it would seem that site-experience management is >not very well developed in the web model. What do you mean by 'site-experience'? >As deke points out in his latest post, the web is stateless. What I wonder >is the usefulness of capturing the transition from one site to another. At the very beginning of the WWW, it was determined that the HTTP protocol would be state-less, which basically means that it doesn't remember anything. Any HTTP request that asks for a page, is new to the server. Meanwhile cookies and session variables have been invented to allow one server to keep track of what a visitor has done, but this doesn't work cross-domain. Besides, as you will note, this is an extra feature built on top of the statelessness of the WWW. >Perhaps in terms of security, privacy, credibility, etc., it may be useful >to know of transitions from and to other sites. But, wait, maybe this is >where third-party certification steps in... From a privacy point of view this is *not* useful to know, it actively endangers privacy as we see it now. As to security, you shouldn't let your security model hinge on where a user comes from. Passwords and such are a much better idea. Credibility: don't know what you mean. Anyway, this whole model is based on the statelessness of HTTP. Statelessness wasn't invented to protect privacy, it was done to keep the tasks of a WWW server simple, but it serves rather well in protecting privacy. >BTW, is this level of abstract thinking allowed in >this list? I should hope so! ppk _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From ppxsjc1 at unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk Tue May 22 03:52:34 2001 From: ppxsjc1 at unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk (Simon Coggins) Date: Tue May 22 03:52:34 2001 Subject: [thelist] Re: other CSS2 question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > >P { font: 12pt/18pt a font; text-indent: 0; } > > Can anyone explain the 12pt/18pt bit above? I've seen it often but I don't > have the faintest idea what it means. When do you get 12pt and when 18pt? 12pt is the font size, 18pt is the line-height or leading. It's just a shorthand way to write it Simon From m at pleonasm.com Tue May 22 03:54:49 2001 From: m at pleonasm.com (Matt) Date: Tue May 22 03:54:49 2001 Subject: [thelist] Re: other CSS2 question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010522105249.007bc100@pleonasm.com> ppk wrote: > >>P { font: 12pt/18pt a font; text-indent: 0; } > >Can anyone explain the 12pt/18pt bit above? I've seen it often but I don't >have the faintest idea what it means. When do you get 12pt and when 18pt? 12pt (12 points) is the height of the text itself. 18pt (18 points) is the line height. Generally, text is more easy to read with a bit of breathing space above and below it, so it's often nice to set this with CSS. In this case, the difference between 18 and 12 is 6. These 6 points are distributed evenly below and above the text. So, the text is 12 points high, with 3 points of empty space above and 3 points of empty space below: total line-height = 18 points. Line-height can also be expressed as a percentage (e.g. 12pt/150%), which generally allows for better font scaling as the base font size change. Matt From gassinaumasis at hotmail.com Tue May 22 03:57:19 2001 From: gassinaumasis at hotmail.com (Peter-Paul Koch) Date: Tue May 22 03:57:19 2001 Subject: [thelist] Re: other CSS2 question Message-ID: > > >P { font: 12pt/18pt a font; text-indent: 0; } > > > > Can anyone explain the 12pt/18pt bit above? I've seen it often but I >don't have the faintest idea what it means. When do you get 12pt and when >18pt? > > >12pt is the font size, 18pt is the line-height or leading. It's just a >shorthand way to write it Right! Useful... Thanks. ppk _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From mark.cheng at ranger.com.au Tue May 22 03:59:54 2001 From: mark.cheng at ranger.com.au (Mark Cheng) Date: Tue May 22 03:59:54 2001 Subject: [thelist] Re: other CSS2 question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: ppk, not absolutely sure about this, but I think as follows. in your eg of 12/pt/18pt what happens is that you get a 12pt font, but 18pt line height - effectively you are increasing distances between lines. haven't tried it myself but as i'm curious now i'll go and try it! MarkC >>> >>>>P { font: 12pt/18pt a font; text-indent: 0; } >>> >>>Can anyone explain the 12pt/18pt bit above? I've seen it often >>>but I don't >>>have the faintest idea what it means. When do you get 12pt and when 18pt? >>> >>>ppk >>> This email may be confidential and contain commercially sensitive information. Only the intended recipient may access or use it. If you are not the intended recipient please delete this email and notify us promptly. We use virus scanning software but exclude all liability for viruses or similar in this email or any attachment. From evolt at befrance.com Tue May 22 04:40:29 2001 From: evolt at befrance.com (skamp) Date: Tue May 22 04:40:29 2001 Subject: [thelist] HTML in mails (was : I should be flogged) References: <3B099FBF.22388.386B4300@localhost> Message-ID: <004f01c0e2a3$26aea420$3601a8c0@tatooine> ----- Original Message ----- From: "aardvark" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 5:07 AM Subject: Re: [thelist] HTML in mails (was : I should be flogged) > Why Developers Don't Want HTML Email > http://evolt.org/article/list/25/781/index.html Interesting article. As someone already said it, you really ARE efficient people :) I invite you to read my comment on it [ http://evolt.org/article/view/25/781/index.html#comment10605 ]. Guillaume Cocatre-Zilgien Web Developer skamp at befrance.com UIN #77738266 From web at master.gen.in.us Tue May 22 05:07:05 2001 From: web at master.gen.in.us (deke ) Date: Tue May 22 05:07:05 2001 Subject: Session variables (was: [thelist] Pop-up when user leaves site.) In-Reply-To: <14ba01c0e229$67d14b80$40aefea9@DWARFS> Message-ID: <3B0A0334.4993.E57A14D@localhost> On 21 May 2001, at 19:08, Elfur Logadottir posted a message which said: > hold on, why do I have to be lying if I say that 44 people are visiting my > website now? > are you saying that there's no way to count that? Right. There's no dining room at a website - it's all carryout. There aren't even any *pages* at a website. Your browser builds the pages from the instructions in HTML files and GIF files and JPG files, etc. If I grab a page from SiteA at 2:00, another at 2:04, and another at 2:08, that *might* mean that I spend 4 minutes per page, and I was busy reading their pages from 2:00 to 2:12. Or I might be watching television. I look at each page for 3 seconds, decide there's nothing of interest on that page, and click on a link to check out another page, and go back to television, while I wait for another page to arrive. Hell, that's one of the reasons I like WebTV so much. When I use the Windows puter or the Linux puter, I don't get a TV picture in the corner of the screen to watch while waiting for bloated pages to be retrieved and rendered. And the webmaster has *no* idea whether someone was at his site for the eight minutes between the first and last click plus another four minutes afterwards, or if I was looking at his pages for a total of nine seconds. deke > what about session variables? > > *the puzzled one* > > > --------------------------------------- > For unsubscribe and other options, including > the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: > http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! > > ------------------------ "The church is near but the road is icy; the bar is far away but I will walk carefully." -- Russian Proverb From jillshaw at email.com Tue May 22 05:12:19 2001 From: jillshaw at email.com (Jill Shaw) Date: Tue May 22 05:12:19 2001 Subject: [thelist] UltraDev Message-ID: <382180267.990526344749.JavaMail.root@web176-ec> Hi there I joined the list a few weeks ago and have found it really useful - Thanks everyone! I have two questions about UltraDev - one general, one more specific. 1. I was wondering if anyone could point me in the right direction for help with Dreamweaver UltraDev - books or sites. I have been using Dreamweaver for about 1 and a half years, so I'm pretty competent with it, but the UltraDev side of things has me terrified! 2. I'm developing a site using a SQL server database which has stored procedures already set up and at the minute am muddling through login/logout facilities. Is it possible to store information between pages without using session variables (cookies)? Thanks in advance, Jill Jill Shaw Web Developer Northern Ireland ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com From web at master.gen.in.us Tue May 22 05:24:25 2001 From: web at master.gen.in.us (deke ) Date: Tue May 22 05:24:25 2001 Subject: [thelist] Re: other CSS2 question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3B0A0752.6443.E67B54F@localhost> On 22 May 2001, at 9:52, Simon Coggins posted a message which said: > > >P { font: 12pt/18pt a font; text-indent: 0; } > > Can anyone explain the 12pt/18pt bit above? I've seen it often but I don't > > have the faintest idea what it means. When do you get 12pt and when 18pt? > 12pt is the font size, 18pt is the line-height or leading. It's just a > shorthand way to write it Line height and leading are *not* the same thing. In this example, 18 points is the line-height, and the leading is 6 points. Originally, leading was strips of lead inserted between lines of type. Later, they automated this - a linotype or monotype could cast an 18-point slug using 12-point matrices. If you ask for 12 point type with 18 points leading, you are specifying a line height of 30 points. You're not likely to get the wrong product back from a type house - they are accustomed to dealing with the typographically-illiterate - but you get more respect if you use terminology correctly. deke ------------------------ "The church is near but the road is icy; the bar is far away but I will walk carefully." -- Russian Proverb From philippe.jadin at 123piano.com Tue May 22 05:33:20 2001 From: philippe.jadin at 123piano.com (Philippe Jadin) Date: Tue May 22 05:33:20 2001 Subject: [thelist] php custom error handling References: Message-ID: <000201c0e2aa$f12008a0$e399043e@r3g4p8> There were some discussions and the conclusion was that the 404 page should be bigger than 512bytes or something like this. As it is a redirect, I don't know why it doesn't work. Anyway, this kind of thing could be handled by a simple mod_rewrite directive without the need of php code or 404. I'm pretty sure that if you use a custom 404 page, you'll have all your logs to this page for instance. Mod_rewrite is imho somewhat more elegant... Philippe > but, it isn't happening. try it... > http://www.sugarbeachresort.net/grounds should hit the script on badurl.php, > then redirect to http://www.sugarbeachresort.net?page=grounds , it > doesn't...just gives me a real generic 404 page. From dreamweaver at vtco.com Tue May 22 05:39:40 2001 From: dreamweaver at vtco.com (Dreamweaver) Date: Tue May 22 05:39:40 2001 Subject: [thelist] UltraDev References: <382180267.990526344749.JavaMail.root@web176-ec> Message-ID: <00fb01c0e2ab$832503e0$050000c1@elmo> Hi Jill, I would recommend that you visit the Macromedia Dreamweaver UltraDev online forum, here you will find a wealth of solutions and additional resources. You can also serach for previous post at HTH Regards Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jill Shaw" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 11:12 AM Subject: [thelist] UltraDev > Hi there > > I joined the list a few weeks ago and have found it really useful - Thanks > everyone! > > I have two questions about UltraDev - one general, one more specific. > > 1. I was wondering if anyone could point me in the right direction for help > with Dreamweaver UltraDev - books or sites. I have been using Dreamweaver > for about 1 and a half years, so I'm pretty competent with it, but the > UltraDev side of things has me terrified! > > 2. I'm developing a site using a SQL server database which has stored > procedures already set up and at the minute am muddling through login/logout > facilities. Is it possible to store information between pages without using > session variables (cookies)? > > Thanks in advance, > Jill > > Jill Shaw > Web Developer > Northern Ireland > ----------------------------------------------- > FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com > Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com > > > > --------------------------------------- > For unsubscribe and other options, including > the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: > http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From nick.myers at net.ntl.com Tue May 22 05:43:50 2001 From: nick.myers at net.ntl.com (Nick Myers) Date: Tue May 22 05:43:50 2001 Subject: [thelist] UltraDev References: <20010522102618.B7FF2AB4@relay.evolt.org> Message-ID: <000701c0e2ac$5c54fda0$0100a8c0@NickMyers> Firstly, don't be scared of Ultradev, as a program, all it does is add a couple more panel and menu options to Dreamweaver - but boy are those options useful. You might find some of things you want do fall outside of Ultradev's utilities - but you can usually get by. A tutorial I've used a few times can be found at: http://www.hiran.desilva.com/ultradev/ Or you could try any of the following (straight out of my bookmarks :o): http://www.macromedia.com/support/ultradev/tutorial.html http://www.princeton.edu/~rcurtis/ultradev/ http://www.ultradevguru.com/ http://www.udzone.com/ And because it's a great site related to Dreamweaver: http://www.projectseven.com/dreamweaver/ Hope they help! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Message: 32 > Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 06:12:24 -0400 (EDT) > From: Jill Shaw > To: thelist at lists.evolt.org > Subject: [thelist] UltraDev > Reply-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org > > Hi there > > I joined the list a few weeks ago and have found it really useful - Thanks > everyone! > > I have two questions about UltraDev - one general, one more specific. > > 1. I was wondering if anyone could point me in the right direction for help > with Dreamweaver UltraDev - books or sites. I have been using Dreamweaver > for about 1 and a half years, so I'm pretty competent with it, but the > UltraDev side of things has me terrified! > > 2. I'm developing a site using a SQL server database which has stored > procedures already set up and at the minute am muddling through login/logout > facilities. Is it possible to store information between pages without using > session variables (cookies)? > > Thanks in advance, > Jill > > Jill Shaw > Web Developer > Northern Ireland > ----------------------------------------------- > FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com > Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com From ppxsjc1 at unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk Tue May 22 05:45:05 2001 From: ppxsjc1 at unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk (Simon Coggins) Date: Tue May 22 05:45:05 2001 Subject: [thelist] Re: other CSS2 question In-Reply-To: <3B0A0752.6443.E67B54F@localhost> Message-ID: > Line height and leading are *not* the same thing. In > this example, 18 points is the line-height, and the > leading is 6 points. Yikes - my typographical illiteracy has been exposed for all to see! I've only just managed to train myself to say LED-ing rather than LEE-ding, so at least I'm making some progress! Thanks for the clarification, Simon From n.beresford at anansi.co.uk Tue May 22 05:48:40 2001 From: n.beresford at anansi.co.uk (Norman Beresford) Date: Tue May 22 05:48:40 2001 Subject: [thelist] UltraDev References: <382180267.990526344749.JavaMail.root@web176-ec> Message-ID: <002801c0e2ad$136f6160$0b01a8c0@meg> Hi Jill I haven't used UltraDev, and I'm tempted to have a look at it, but having seen some of the code it generates I don't think it's going to feature heavily in my tool bag. So I can't help you with the books, but I can help you with the second question (assuming you're using ASP). There are a number of methods for storing information between pages which don't rely on session variables. As you pointed out Cookies are one of them. Session variables and cookies are very close in nature. In order to use session variables the server writes a cookie to the browser with their session identifier in it. This has some overheads - the variables are kept in memory on the server, and they aren't destroyed as soon as the browser leaves the site. They could hang around for, typically, 20mins. So cookies are superiour from that point of view, however there are security implications. The other method of passing information from page to page is via the querystring. So you've got a client logged into your site, and you want to store their name details. What you'd do is dynamically build all the links to include this information in the querystring, then on each page you'd access the querystring. For example say you had a link like so You'd change it to this Then to get those values you'd use firstName = request.querystring("firstname") surname = request.querystring("surname") And you'd dynamically produce each link on the site like so: response.write "" There are pros and cons to each method, I prefer to use cookies to transfer information on the grounds that there's less server overhead, so pages get served faster. Norman From alister at cameroncreative.com Tue May 22 05:54:20 2001 From: alister at cameroncreative.com (Alister Cameron) Date: Tue May 22 05:54:20 2001 Subject: [thelist] free of cheap CMS in ASP?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi folks. Looking for a free or cheap content management system written in ASP that I can run on my W2K server. I have clients asking for it and there may be some good $$ for it soon. But I am interested in finding out what's out there, basically. Fact is, I have spent hours looking for stuff and I find it hard to believe I have to spend thousands and thousands to get what I want! I'd like something like Frontier, but written in ASP/VBS of course. A codebase would be enough since clients always want stuff customised... but all the open source stuff like eGrail is in either Perl, PHP or anything but ASP!! So, anyone seen anything that turns heads? I know the ultimate would be NCompass Resolution - so good that MS just bought it and are re-badging it as "MS Content Management Server" as part of the .NET family. That's USD$50,000 or so, last time I looked. So forget that for now! Love to know what's out there and what's HOT! Thanks. Alister Cameron Cameron Creative From jjsolari at pobox.com Tue May 22 05:58:30 2001 From: jjsolari at pobox.com (J.J.SOLARI) Date: Tue May 22 05:58:30 2001 Subject: [thelist] AOL gif compression glitch? Message-ID: <20010522125840-r01010600-618129b1@10.0.1.52> On Mon, 21 May 2001 21:11:05 -0500, Erik Mattheis wrote: >From: Erik Mattheis >Subject: [thelist] AOL gif compression glitch? >Reply-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org > > From the AOL Barf Department: > >A friend took this screenshot of a gif for me from AOL - >discoloration on a portion of the image: > > > >This is the original gif: > > >On the same computer, Netscape and IE display it fine. > >Is there anything to do but sigh? Erik, I'm afraid there is not much we can do about it. But I have read in a mailinglist (this one may be) that one could prevent AOL stuff from sabotaging standard gifs in turning them into animated gifs as no compression occurs with such files. You would achieve this by adding an empty frame to your gif with tools like GraphicConverter (Macintosh). Sorry don't know any software on Windows platform. hih, JJS. -- personal site public key id: 9eb99ddb From genghis at members.evolt.org Tue May 22 06:23:40 2001 From: genghis at members.evolt.org (John Handelaar) Date: Tue May 22 06:23:40 2001 Subject: [thelist] IIS5 DNS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org > [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Josh Spiegel > Sent: 22 May 2001 04:37 > To: thelist at lists.evolt.org > Subject: [thelist] IIS5 DNS > > > I am trying to create DNS entries in my cold fusion code. What I > want to do > is make the web site and then create the DNS entry so I can have > an "instant > activation" web hosting service. Does anybody know how to do this? Didn't we answer this last week? If you're not happy with MS DNS Server, try another DNS server. I'm certain that at least one of the alternatives won't require you to stop the DNS service. I also distinctly recall mentioning getting hold of STARTSVC.EXE and STOPSVC.EXE. If you *must* use the MS DNS server, write a batch file which stops and restarts the DNS service, then run it at the end of your registration process (or every x minutes with the AT command or WinCron). ------------------------------------------ John Handelaar T +44 20 7209 4117 M +44 7930 681789 F +44 870 169 7657 E john at userfrenzy.com ------------------------------------------ From genghis at members.evolt.org Tue May 22 06:28:40 2001 From: genghis at members.evolt.org (John Handelaar) Date: Tue May 22 06:28:40 2001 Subject: [thelist] free of cheap CMS in ASP?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org > [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Alister Cameron > Sent: 22 May 2001 11:55 > To: thelist at lists.evolt.org > Subject: [thelist] free of cheap CMS in ASP?? > > > Hi folks. > > Looking for a free or cheap content management system written in > ASP that I > can run on my W2K server. [snip] > but > all the open source stuff like eGrail is in either Perl, PHP or > anything but > ASP!! Not quite a direct answer, but given that you're obviously loking for something 'off the shelf', why not Perl or PHP? Both run just fine on Win32 - in fact, Activestate Perl on IIS is an amazingly solid (and fast) app platform. ------------------------------------------ John Handelaar T +44 20 7209 4117 M +44 7930 681789 F +44 870 169 7657 E john at userfrenzy.com ------------------------------------------ From ltu97mp at reading.ac.uk Tue May 22 06:41:15 2001 From: ltu97mp at reading.ac.uk (Matt Patterson) Date: Tue May 22 06:41:15 2001 Subject: [thelist] Re: other CSS2 question In-Reply-To: <3B0A0752.6443.E67B54F@localhost> Message-ID: <20010522123913-r01010600-1dc5ad2b@10.0.0.15> On 22/5/01 at 6:29 am, web at master.gen.in.us (deke ) wrote: > Line height and leading are *not* the same thing. In > this example, 18 points is the line-height, and the > leading is 6 points. You're absolutely right, which is why Quark chose to call line-height (or line-feed from photo-typesetting, or interlinear space (baseline-to-baseline) if you're in my department) leading. Typographic terminology is hacked together: it still hasn't quite recovered from the switch away from bits of metal. If you think that leading is odd, you should read about the history of the point, which has had many different values in different places. It was only standardised by Adobe, who made it different to everyone else's and didn't tell anyone... Matt Anyway, points in screen typography are kind of an odd concept. Use relative units instead. With relative units and line heights you may find that specifying a line-height in ems does something very strange indeed. The font-size of an element specified in ems is derived relative to its parent, so a font-size of 1.2em equates to 12pt when the parent's font-size is 10pt. But, the size of all other lengths in ems is derived from its own font-size. So, a line-height of 2em in an element with a font-size of 1.2em is actually 2x1.2, or 2.4 times the original size (10pt -> 24pt) rather than 2x (10pt -> 20pt). Are you confused yet? I am. However, you can specify line-height with just a numeral, which has the exact same effect as specifying in ems, but doesn't have the attendant confusion of thinking that the unit is relative to something it isn't: If you want a line-height of 1.2em (compared to a para's parent) when it has a font-size of 1.2em, i.e. you want the line 'set solid' where the font-size and line-height are the same font: 1.2em/1 looks a lot more sensible than font: 1.2em/1em, IMHO. Since I started doing this i've stopped wondering why my headings (font-size: 2.5em;) with a line-height of 2.5em (thinks - 2.5em = 2.5em = set solid) have huge gaps between lines... (thinks - 2.5em/2.5 = big gaps between lines). Well, it works for me anyway... ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matt Patterson: Student Reading University Department of Typography & Graphic Communication ltu97mp at reading.ac.uk http://www.rdg.ac.uk/~ltu97mp/ 'Yes,' said Eeyore. 'However,' he said, brightening up a little, 'we haven't had an Earthquake lately.' From ronwhite at members.evolt.org Tue May 22 07:03:25 2001 From: ronwhite at members.evolt.org (Ron White) Date: Tue May 22 07:03:25 2001 Subject: [thelist] When does "bought code" become your own ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: As I recall earlier in this thread she said the client paid for the license for the code and paid her to modify it. So the client owns the original license and the mods. She doesn't own any of it. She was paid to modify someone else's code, so the client bought her code from her. End of story... Thanks, Ron White From DonM at allensysgroup.com Tue May 22 07:31:35 2001 From: DonM at allensysgroup.com (Don Makoviney) Date: Tue May 22 07:31:35 2001 Subject: [thelist] UltraDev Message-ID: <7BFA01703139D51192E100B0D0D0133E1103E4@usnapsmail.asg.com> Norman said: "I haven't used UltraDev, and I'm tempted to have a look at it, but having seen some of the code it generates I don't think it's going to feature heavily in my tool bag. " What is wrong with the code it generates? It is by far the cleanest of any WYSIWYG editor I have seen. And even if you don't like the way it codes, you can modify the coding properties to make it fit your coding style. DM -----Original Message----- From: Norman Beresford [mailto:n.beresford at anansi.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 6:51 AM To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: Re: [thelist] UltraDev Hi Jill I haven't used UltraDev, and I'm tempted to have a look at it, but having seen some of the code it generates I don't think it's going to feature heavily in my tool bag. So I can't help you with the books, but I can help you with the second question (assuming you're using ASP). There are a number of methods for storing information between pages which don't rely on session variables. As you pointed out Cookies are one of them. Session variables and cookies are very close in nature. In order to use session variables the server writes a cookie to the browser with their session identifier in it. This has some overheads - the variables are kept in memory on the server, and they aren't destroyed as soon as the browser leaves the site. They could hang around for, typically, 20mins. So cookies are superiour from that point of view, however there are security implications. The other method of passing information from page to page is via the querystring. So you've got a client logged into your site, and you want to store their name details. What you'd do is dynamically build all the links to include this information in the querystring, then on each page you'd access the querystring. For example say you had a link like so You'd change it to this Then to get those values you'd use firstName = request.querystring("firstname") surname = request.querystring("surname") And you'd dynamically produce each link on the site like so: response.write "" There are pros and cons to each method, I prefer to use cookies to transfer information on the grounds that there's less server overhead, so pages get served faster. Norman --------------------------------------- For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From shanx at shanx.com Tue May 22 07:35:40 2001 From: shanx at shanx.com (Shashank Tripathi) Date: Tue May 22 07:35:40 2001 Subject: [thelist] XPDF for Solaris/SunOS? Message-ID: Am going out on a limb here...would anyone happen to have an executable version of XPDF compiled for the Solaris or SunOS platforms? Thanks a bunch in advance -Shanx --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.252 / Virus Database: 125 - Release Date: 09-May-01 From GregHolmes at aol.com Tue May 22 07:38:10 2001 From: GregHolmes at aol.com (GregHolmes at aol.com) Date: Tue May 22 07:38:10 2001 Subject: [thelist] UltraDev Message-ID: <3e.c15da44.283bb719@aol.com> >I have been using Dreamweaver >for about 1 and a half years, so I'm pretty competent with it, but the >UltraDev side of things has me terrified! The only thing terrifying about things like UltraDev is that they can make you think you know how to program, then leave you in a quagmire when you are trying to figure out why things are not working ;) Seriously, I would just make sure you actually learn ColdFusion (or whatever you are using UltraDev for) first, or at least along side. Basically (if I remember right from evaluating it) UltraDev just gives you wizards and such for creating queries and bits of code, attached to "objects" on the web page. If you know the underlying language, it is fairly easy and sometimes helpful to use. If not, you are going to be mystified when (inevitably) some automated thing doesn't work as expected. Greg Holmes gregholmes at aol.com From ronwhite at members.evolt.org Tue May 22 07:40:15 2001 From: ronwhite at members.evolt.org (Ron White) Date: Tue May 22 07:40:15 2001 Subject: [thelist] XPDF for Solaris/SunOS? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Have you tried http://sunfreeware.com?? Thanks, Ron White > XPDF compiled for the Solaris or SunOS platforms? From alexgillen at earthlink.net Tue May 22 07:43:50 2001 From: alexgillen at earthlink.net (Alessandra Gillen) Date: Tue May 22 07:43:50 2001 Subject: [thelist] streaming ... security risk? Message-ID: <3B0A5EFA.BCF87548@earthlink.net> Hi -- the Mac system team where I work has announced that no one can use streaming audio/video, download music, etc. on the company computers because: a. it is a security risk and b. it slows down the network (not just the Internet connection, but the whole system). Is there even a grain of truth in this? I've never heard of this. (but until recently I also hadn't heard about html email security issues) If anyone can point me to articles about streaming & security, that would be great! Thanks, - Alex From roselli at earthlink.net Tue May 22 07:55:05 2001 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Tue May 22 07:55:05 2001 Subject: [thelist] UltraDev In-Reply-To: <7BFA01703139D51192E100B0D0D0133E1103E4@usnapsmail.asg.com> Message-ID: <3B0A2866.9610.3A812470@localhost> real quick folks, please *trim* your posts... > From: Don Makoviney > > What is wrong with the code it generates? It is by far the cleanest of > any WYSIWYG editor I have seen. yes, as far as WYSIWYGs, it is by far one of the best, if not the best... however, it is still is a WYSIWYG, and as such, writes imperfect code... this is no small detail for hand-coders, and no small detail for non-hand-coders trying to get compliance out of their pages... > And even if you don't like the way it codes, you can modify the coding > properties to make it fit your coding style. to a point... ultimately, you still have to go in and manually hunt down abandonded tags, change DTDs, tweak tables for liquid layouts, etc... it's good, but not perfect... and yes, i have thought about this topic before... it's not a hand- coder vs. WYSIWYG-coder discussion, it's a discussion of which does what you need... and if you want to read a previous exploration of this i wrote on the site, feel free to surf over to: To Hell With Bad Editors http://evolt.org/article/list/25/6096/index.html From ronwhite at members.evolt.org Tue May 22 07:58:45 2001 From: ronwhite at members.evolt.org (Ron White) Date: Tue May 22 07:58:45 2001 Subject: [thelist] streaming ... security risk? In-Reply-To: <3B0A5EFA.BCF87548@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Thanks, Ron White a. it is a security risk - Don't know, prolly not really, I don't think you can imbed a virus in a sound or video file b. it slows down the network - YES!!!! These things suck bandwidth. (not just the Internet connection, but the whole system). Is there even a grain of truth in this? From sub at shanx.com Tue May 22 08:35:26 2001 From: sub at shanx.com (Shashank Tripathi) Date: Tue May 22 08:35:26 2001 Subject: [thelist] XPDF for Solaris/SunOS? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks Ron, just browser the site. I think XPDF is not listed? Cheers -Shanx | Have you tried http://sunfreeware.com?? | | Thanks, | Ron White --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.252 / Virus Database: 125 - Release Date: 09-May-01 From mayday1999 at zdnetonebox.com Tue May 22 08:42:06 2001 From: mayday1999 at zdnetonebox.com (arch) Date: Tue May 22 08:42:06 2001 Subject: [thelist] free text scroller Message-ID: <20010522134208.LHHL18626.mta08.onebox.com@onebox.com> Hi fortune: There are tons of free ready-to-go applets on the web. For example, in your case, you may take a look at vertical or horizontal scrollers at http://javaboutique.internet.com/text/... Overall, I agree with people on the list that Java applets is not the only solution for scrollers. DHTML and Flash are two other good solutions besides Java applets. They all have their own pluses and minuses. HTH, ----------------------------- ::: Arthur Chidlovski ::: Digital Me-Mix in the Browser http://www.chidlovski.com/ ___________________________________________________________________ To get your own FREE ZDNet Onebox - FREE voicemail, email, and fax, all in one place - sign up today at http://www.zdnetonebox.com From fortune_elkins at summithq.com Tue May 22 08:52:52 2001 From: fortune_elkins at summithq.com (Fortune Elkins) Date: Tue May 22 08:52:52 2001 Subject: [thelist] free text scroller Message-ID: <1449413DA482D311B67000508B5A12F5039B6413@mailhost.summithq.com> hiya! thanks for your comments. of course, i *want* to use flash: that's by far the smallest and most efficient way, also i know it will work with all browsers. but the marketing people are rabid flash haters. i had thought to just "build" one using behaviors in DW4, but i'm worried about N6.1 compatibility, and they also want one that uses a text file so they can update it themselves if i'm away. DHTML would be fine -- but i'd like an URL of something that is actually reliable! i'll check out the earthweb site now, thanks! have fun, f ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------- The views and opinions expressed in this email message are the sender's own, and do not necessarily represent the views and opinions of Summit Systems Inc. From pete.prodoehl at cygnusinteractive.com Tue May 22 08:54:12 2001 From: pete.prodoehl at cygnusinteractive.com (Pete Prodoehl) Date: Tue May 22 08:54:12 2001 Subject: [thelist] .html vs .shtml Message-ID: When I use Apache, it's fairly easy to map .html to be processed for server side includes, so I can have all file named with an .html extension and not have a mix of .shtml and .html Can this be done in IIS? We host a number of sites, can this be controlled on a per-site basis, or would it be global on the server? thanks... Pete _____________________________________________________ For more information about Cygnus Business Media, please visit our Web site at www.cygnusb2b.com From chris at completeimaging.com Tue May 22 09:01:57 2001 From: chris at completeimaging.com (Chris Johnston) Date: Tue May 22 09:01:57 2001 Subject: [thelist] .html vs .shtml In-Reply-To: Message-ID: How exactly do you do this using Apache? Along with this, how would you go about mapping other extensions. I would like to be able to map .html to be processed by ColdFusion instead of by apache. Thanks, Chris -----Original Message----- When I use Apache, it's fairly easy to map .html to be processed for server side includes, so I can have all file named with an .html extension and not have a mix of .shtml and .html Can this be done in IIS? We host a number of sites, can this be controlled on a per-site basis, or would it be global on the server? thanks... Pete From sales at iibiz.com Tue May 22 09:12:42 2001 From: sales at iibiz.com (sales at iibiz.com) Date: Tue May 22 09:12:42 2001 Subject: [thelist] Auto-responders? References: Message-ID: <016301c0e2c9$7ca3fe40$7fa0b3c7@iibiz> Mornin' all! I've dealt with auto-responders on my hosts machines before, where they already have some sort of script installed, but now a client of mine using a different hosting company wants one and their host company doesn't have one pre-installed. I did a search, and all I came up with was third party services. Would prefer not to do that. Soooooooo - exactly how do auto-responders work? Are they usually a cgi script? or what? (This would send the person submitting a form an acknowledgement.) Any help would be appreciated, Sandy From damien.cola at synaptique.co.uk Tue May 22 09:14:02 2001 From: damien.cola at synaptique.co.uk (Damien Cola) Date: Tue May 22 09:14:02 2001 Subject: [thelist] .html vs .shtml In-Reply-To: Message-ID: PS: thanks ppk for your infos on javascript security issues.. I am not too happy with that but I suppose it is for the good of the web, otherwise we could go into trouble while surfing porn sites.. :-) > How exactly do you do this using Apache? Along with this, how would you go > about mapping other extensions. I would like to be able to map .html to be > processed by ColdFusion instead of by apache. > > Thanks, > Chris with apache, you can either go into the configuration files httpd.conf and srm.conf (for this particular thing, it will be httpd.conf) or even simpler: create a file called .htaccess at the root of one of your directory you want the change to happen and write: AddType application/x-httpd-php .php .html and all .html files will be interpreted as php it goes the same with all file extensions, you just have to mess around. Unfortunately I don't know the initial line for coldfusion, but here's a fake exemple: AddType application/x-httpd-coldfusion .cfm .html From jhaworth at witanjardine.co.uk Tue May 22 09:22:32 2001 From: jhaworth at witanjardine.co.uk (Jon Haworth) Date: Tue May 22 09:22:32 2001 Subject: [thelist] Auto-responders? Message-ID: <67DF9B67CEFAD4119E4200D0B720FA3F53FA40@BOOTROS> Depends on your server-side setup I suppose. A basic PHP version would be pretty simple: if (isset ($submit)) { // submit button pressed // process form, write to database, yada yada $to = "customer's email address"; $subject = "Thanks for getting in touch!"; $message = "Hi, thanks for filling in our form."; mail ($to, $subject, $message); } else { // display form } Issues may arise with this if you have thousands of form submissions a day, I don't know (not being an expert on PHP's efficiency under high server load). Cheers Jon -----Original Message----- From: sales at iibiz.com [mailto:sales at iibiz.com] Sent: 22 May 2001 15:14 To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: [thelist] Auto-responders? Mornin' all! I've dealt with auto-responders on my hosts machines before, where they already have some sort of script installed, but now a client of mine using a different hosting company wants one and their host company doesn't have one pre-installed. I did a search, and all I came up with was third party services. Would prefer not to do that. Soooooooo - exactly how do auto-responders work? Are they usually a cgi script? or what? (This would send the person submitting a form an acknowledgement.) Any help would be appreciated, Sandy ********************************************************************** 'The information included in this Email is of a confidential nature and is intended only for the addressee. If you are not the intended addressee, any disclosure, copying or distribution by you is prohibited and may be unlawful. Disclosure to any party other than the addressee, whether inadvertent or otherwise is not intended to waive privilege or confidentiality' ********************************************************************** From mike at price.com Tue May 22 09:31:17 2001 From: mike at price.com (Michael Buffington) Date: Tue May 22 09:31:17 2001 Subject: [thelist] XML into SQL 2000 Message-ID: Anyone have any experience importing and building tables from XML files in SQL 2000? Knowing that SQL 2000 supports XML natively, I assume it can be done with relative ease, although the online books don't make it obvious. Any tips or thoughts would be helpful. Thanks. Michael Buffington http://www.michaelbuffington.com From sgd at ti3.com Tue May 22 09:33:07 2001 From: sgd at ti3.com (Scott Dexter) Date: Tue May 22 09:33:07 2001 Subject: [thelist] IIS5 DNS Message-ID: <8C8B8745C0FE7A43BFA6CABAB3211172492D72@gate.ti3.com> If the DNS service is setup to run via Active Directory (LDAP), you can access it through your code, but from there I'd have to point you to the docs wrt:Active Directory ... (btw, IIS5 and Win2K DNS are two separate things) sgd -- work: http://www.ti3.com/ non: http://thinksafely.org/ > -----Original Message----- > From: Josh Spiegel [mailto:joshsquared at yahoo.com] > > > I am trying to create DNS entries in my cold fusion code. > What I want to do > is make the web site and then create the DNS entry so I can From hassan at webtuitive.com Tue May 22 09:39:02 2001 From: hassan at webtuitive.com (Hassan Schroeder) Date: Tue May 22 09:39:02 2001 Subject: [thelist] Auto-responders? References: <016301c0e2c9$7ca3fe40$7fa0b3c7@iibiz> Message-ID: <3B0A7998.EDEFBC9F@webtuitive.com> sales at iibiz.com wrote: > Soooooooo - exactly how do auto-responders work? Are they usually a cgi > script? or what? Obviously there are lots of platform variables, so I won't be too specific, but -- if the form's submitted to a CGI program, it's simple to add a few lines to send an email to the address supplied. (Though if you make it an independent function, you can reuse it for other CGIs.) If the form's being emailed, you need to have a program as the "recipient"; that program parses the mail headers for the sender's address, and responds. The last email auto-responder - a simple acknowledgement - I wrote was a two-line sh/awk script (Unix system). A way more complex one (for the old pre-Web SunNetManager mibs-and-icons-by-mail system) was about 50 lines of Perl. HTH! -- H* Hassan Schroeder ----------------------------- hassan at webtuitive.com Webtuitive Design ---(+1) 408-938-0567 --- http://www.webtuitive.com -- creating dynamic Web sites and applications since 1994 -- From webmaster at equilon-mrc.com Tue May 22 09:45:08 2001 From: webmaster at equilon-mrc.com (James Aylard) Date: Tue May 22 09:45:08 2001 Subject: [thelist] CSS Contextual Selectors (was "Aimster must give up domain to AOL") References: Message-ID: <003001c0e2cd$fb36a790$2860398a@newcos.com> ppk, > > ...Provided that you understand that it will work in few browsers > >currently in use (Netscape 6.x and Opera 3+). It will *not* work in any > >version of IE, up to and including IE 6 PP1 -- nor, unsurprisingly, in > >Netscape 4.x. > > Some of them do work in IE5 Mac, which is much more advanced than any > Windows version when it comes to CSS2. For compatibility with CSS2, see my > test site You caught me. :) Me and my Windows-centric mindset. My statement should have read: "It will *not* work in any _Windows_ version of IE...". James Aylard Remember that when a variable evaluates to null, it is treated as 0 in numeric contexts and as false in Boolean contexts. For more info: http://developer.netscape.com/docs/manuals/js/core/jsguide15/ident.html#1013 184 From n.beresford at anansi.co.uk Tue May 22 09:47:08 2001 From: n.beresford at anansi.co.uk (Norman Beresford) Date: Tue May 22 09:47:08 2001 Subject: [thelist] UltraDev References: <7BFA01703139D51192E100B0D0D0133E1103E4@usnapsmail.asg.com> Message-ID: <010e01c0e2ce$653a6500$0b01a8c0@meg> Hi Don I was actually talking about the ASP it generates rather then the HTML. I recently helped someone who was having trouble getting a bit of UD generated code to do what he wanted it to do. Whilst I was looking at it I saw - multiple recordsets where only 1 was needed, iteration through recordsets rather then through array's using GetRows and all the ASP and HTML was mixed up together. All things which, in my book anyway, are bad practice. Speaking to a guy at a MM roadshow in London last year he confirmed that it's really just aimed at webdesigners who want to be able to do some server-side work, rather then at developers who work mainly on the server. Unfortunatly I really don't have time to get to grips with a new coding tool unless I'm going to see a dramatic increase in my productivity as a result. And nothing I've seen of UD suggests that it will be the case. Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Makoviney" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 1:32 PM Subject: RE: [thelist] UltraDev > > What is wrong with the code it generates? It is by far the cleanest of any > WYSIWYG editor I have seen. > > And even if you don't like the way it codes, you can modify the coding > properties to make it fit your coding style. From thelist at lists.evolt.org Tue May 22 09:59:33 2001 From: thelist at lists.evolt.org (Tip Harvester) Date: Tue May 22 09:59:33 2001 Subject: [thelist] Tip Harvest for the Week of Monday 2001-May-14 Message-ID: <200105221503.JAA02264@alice.monkeyland.ca> The tip harvest for the Week of Monday 2001-May-14 has been added to the lists.evolt.org site. Get it at: http://lists.evolt.org/index.cfm/a/harvest/b/show/c/Week-of-Mon-20010514.html Summary Statistics for Tip Harvester Number of messages: 534 Number of tips: 24 Tip Authors ----------- =?iso-8859-1?Q?Afonso_Fern=E1ndez_Nogueira?= (1) Andrew Forsberg (2) Andrew Stevens (1) Ben Dyer (1) Chris Johnston (1) David Shadovitz (1) deke (1) dwayne (1) Erik Mattheis (1) Jakob =?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F6lling?= (1) Janet Nabring-Stager (1) Jay Greenspan (1) jeff (3) l a u r a *^* l y n c h (1) Luther, Ron (1) Marc Seyon (1) Michele Foster (1) rudy (1) Sabrina Dent, Apperception (1) Shifra Raffel (1) Tips of Type ------------ CSS 'default' font-family specification (1) ColdFusion (2) Fair Use Copyright (1) Forms (1) IE browser windows (1) Mac OS 9 TCP/IP Trouble (1) Macintosh (1) Oracle select statements (1) Stored Queries in Access (ASP) (1) addition to nn4 and css tip a while ago by ppk (1) appropriate technology (1) book review (1) dealing with bastards (1) for the home office (1) perl (1) quick way to get list of form element names (1) text/css (1) using thelist (1) From sales at iibiz.com Tue May 22 10:48:18 2001 From: sales at iibiz.com (sales at iibiz.com) Date: Tue May 22 10:48:18 2001 Subject: [thelist] Auto-responders? References: <016301c0e2c9$7ca3fe40$7fa0b3c7@iibiz> <3B0A7998.EDEFBC9F@webtuitive.com> Message-ID: <01f101c0e2d6$f4b8bbc0$7fa0b3c7@iibiz> > Obviously there are lots of platform variables, so I won't be too > specific, but -- if the form's submitted to a CGI program, it's > simple to add a few lines to send an email to the address supplied. > (Though if you make it an independent function, you can reuse it > for other CGIs.) > > If the form's being emailed, you need to have a program as the > "recipient"; that program parses the mail headers for the sender's > address, and responds. > Here's the code from the top of the form: So, Hassan - help me!?!? What would I need to do? Thanks, Sandy From headlemur at qwest.net Tue May 22 10:53:18 2001 From: headlemur at qwest.net (the head lemur) Date: Tue May 22 10:53:18 2001 Subject: [thelist] Auto-responders? References: <67DF9B67CEFAD4119E4200D0B720FA3F53FA40@BOOTROS> Message-ID: <023201c0e2d7$3df9c900$0b646464@qwest.net> I wrote an article about forms here: http://www.alistapart.zeldman.com/stories/money/money1.html E-Mail Auto Responders are a real silly idea. Especially in response to filling out a form. Rather than pursue auto responses, let me suggest a thank you page response instead. Most form handlers give you the ability to redirect upon submission. Redirect them to a Thank You Page. The most important part of a business site is the Information Request Form. Part of the web design biz is to get the client to buy into the web. you build a site, you slave over a form to get the client the information they need in a form they can use, while making it easy to use and fill out, hopefully leading to more business for the client, fame and glory for you and maybe a few more bucks in fees when they expand as a result of the enormous response from your work. A 'thank you page' gives you an opportunity to thank the visitor for filling out the form, gives you another page to bill for, an elegant exit from the site, and one more shot at branding the client. It also serves you well as a quick and dirty tool for site analysis. looking at your server logs, you would look for the form page and the thankyou page accesses. If they are equal in number, Congratulations you are a form god. If they are not, you can determine what part of your form(money page) is the problem. Too Big? too many required fields. not enough explanation? The web can be an incredibly effective marketing tool for business. The information request form Pre-Qualifies the person who fills it out. The client can respond to the request and close the sale. An auto responder however cleverly worded, puts another barrier in the chain between the buyer and the seller. Your mileage may vary. the head lemur Web Standards http://www.webstandards.org Evolt.org http://www.evolt.org Lemurzone http://www.lemurzone.com From jillshaw at email.com Tue May 22 10:55:24 2001 From: jillshaw at email.com (Jill Shaw) Date: Tue May 22 10:55:24 2001 Subject: [thelist] RE:UltraDev Message-ID: <383807141.990546947344.JavaMail.root@web168-ec.mail.com> Thanks for everyone's help - I really appreciate it. I reckon I'll just have to get my head down and stick at it. I will shout again if I get seriously stuck! Regards, Jill Appologies if this has appeared before, but... An easy way to check how your web page might look to a colour-blind user is to print it out on a black and white printer - this helps to show contrast (or lack of it) between colours. Jill Shaw Web Developer Northern Ireland ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com From genghis at members.evolt.org Tue May 22 11:01:39 2001 From: genghis at members.evolt.org (John Handelaar) Date: Tue May 22 11:01:39 2001 Subject: [thelist] streaming ... security risk? In-Reply-To: <3B0A5EFA.BCF87548@earthlink.net> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org > [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Alessandra Gillen > Sent: 22 May 2001 13:44 > To: thelist at lists.evolt.org > Subject: [thelist] streaming ... security risk? > > Is there even a grain of truth in this? > > a. it is a security risk No. > b. it slows down the network > (not just the Internet connection, but the whole system). Yes. (Usually.) ------------------------------------------ John Handelaar T +44 20 7209 4117 M +44 7930 681789 F +44 870 169 7657 E john at userfrenzy.com ------------------------------------------ From Abbey at abbeyink.com Tue May 22 11:11:44 2001 From: Abbey at abbeyink.com (Tamara Abbey) Date: Tue May 22 11:11:44 2001 Subject: [thelist] Re: other CSS2 question In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20010522105249.007bc100@pleonasm.com> References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010522111118.00a37d90@mail.abbeyink.com> At 10:52 AM 5/22/2001 +0200, you wrote: >Generally, text is more easy to read with a bit of breathing >space above and below it, so it's often nice to set this with CSS. Is there a default setting then if it's not declared? Thanks, From sfmalo at msn.com Tue May 22 11:41:34 2001 From: sfmalo at msn.com (sfmalo) Date: Tue May 22 11:41:34 2001 Subject: [thelist] [OT] Age (was: Difference between and ) References: <200105212143.f4LLhu017733@leo.evolt.org> <000f01c0e243$5f27bd60$70b42a18@yec1.on.wave.home.com> Message-ID: <023601c0e2dd$f64460a0$09241b3f@oemcomputer> I'm not telling ... but I'm getting a little long in the tooth. (<8 Sharon > I'm 16, and I've been using HTML since I was 12 or 13 (although I wasn't > using it very well when I started :). > > Why, how old are most people on this list? --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sharon F. Malone "web design and Internet writing services" http://www.24caratdesign.com From jcrawford at avencom.com Tue May 22 11:53:39 2001 From: jcrawford at avencom.com (Joe Crawford) Date: Tue May 22 11:53:39 2001 Subject: [thelist] Using the simplest script possible (was: auto-replacing links...) References: Message-ID: <3B0A997C.F7BFE5FF@avencom.com> Mark Cheng wrote: > all you need to do is access the links object, cycle through it and change > the href, either using pattern matching or whatever. Bingo! > Depending upon platform etc you may need cross browser code. below find > some code for latest gen browsers : > > function changeLinks () { > var links = document.getElementsByTagname("A"); > for (i=0; i insert code to identify and replace strings here > } Eek! Simple is best! Don't be using that fancy schmancy getElement stuff if you don't have to. A fine way to do this that will work in (almost?) any damn browser would be: I think it would work as far back as Netscape 2 or WebTV. See, that way, you use the simplest method possible, and thus you won't have to worry about detecting objects or whatnot. - Joe -- Joe Crawford |||||||||||||| mailto:jcrawford at avencom.com |||||||||||||||||||||||| http://www.avencom.com ||||||||||||||||||||||||||| Avencom: Set Your Sites Higher From markgroen at telus.net Tue May 22 11:57:34 2001 From: markgroen at telus.net (Mark Groen) Date: Tue May 22 11:57:34 2001 Subject: [thelist] [OT] Age (was: Difference between and ) References: <200105212143.f4LLhu017733@leo.evolt.org> <000f01c0e243$5f27bd60$70b42a18@yec1.on.wave.home.com> <023601c0e2dd$f64460a0$09241b3f@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <008401c0e2e0$332fdba0$bb81e8d8@telus.net> Thought this thread had died - but here is my 2 cents worth: Age doesn't make a difference, but I think almost *all* of us finished high school at one point or another - either by the normal route or by catching up later with some sort of Grade Equivalency Diploma - you will need this in the future MUCH more than learning how to code scripting languages for the computer. Not for the piece of paper that said you graduated, but the knowledge that you were able to complete something that was needed even if not enjoyable. I'm not telling ... but I'm getting a little long in the tooth. (<8 Sharon > I'm 16, and I've been using HTML since I was 12 or 13 (although I wasn't > using it very well when I started :). > > Why, how old are most people on this list? From pete.prodoehl at cygnusinteractive.com Tue May 22 12:21:10 2001 From: pete.prodoehl at cygnusinteractive.com (Pete Prodoehl) Date: Tue May 22 12:21:10 2001 Subject: [thelist] Playing with MIME type (was: Downloading .jpg & .pd f files) Message-ID: > > > Is this going to work on IE/Windows? It's my understanding that IE > makes > > > guesses about files with strange MIME types based on the extension. > Have > > > you used this successfully? It's an interesting and clever shorthand > (I > > > like!) - but does it work to bring up the "prompt to save" box for > most > > > browsers in a reliable way? And does doing it this way impact > Macintosh? > > > It seems like feeding an unknown mime type might make it unviewable > (to > > > most users) on the Mac side. > > > > On the Mac OS side it may or may not work, depending on the file extension, and depending on the file type and creator code. We have an app that forces the download of a text file, for our Mac OS users they get a file named 'exported.txt' but the OS does not know it's a text file because the file type and creator code are not there... Ultimately we had to change the way it worked so that it loaded the file into a browser window and instructed the user to use the File menu to save it, but this had to do with character translation happening when we did a straight download versus letting the browser load the file and interpret the characters as it saw fit... messy indeed! Pete _____________________________________________________ For more information about Cygnus Business Media, please visit our Web site at www.cygnusb2b.com From pete.prodoehl at cygnusinteractive.com Tue May 22 12:24:15 2001 From: pete.prodoehl at cygnusinteractive.com (Pete Prodoehl) Date: Tue May 22 12:24:15 2001 Subject: [thelist] Difference between and Message-ID: > and came first, then and , which became popular for > use with the tag. has become depricated, possibly and > will follow as and more closely follow the origianl > spirit if HTML and separating content from mark-up. > > I stopped using and a while back in favor of and Luckily it's fairly easy to change those tags on a global basis (with your trusty text editor of choice) Pete _____________________________________________________ For more information about Cygnus Business Media, please visit our Web site at www.cygnusb2b.com From ben_dyer at imaginuity.com Tue May 22 12:34:40 2001 From: ben_dyer at imaginuity.com (Ben Dyer) Date: Tue May 22 12:34:40 2001 Subject: [thelist] streaming ... security risk? In-Reply-To: <3B0A5EFA.BCF87548@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010522110400.01f207b0@mail.imaginuity.com> At 07:43 AM 5/22/2001, you wrote: >Hi -- the Mac system team where I work has announced >that no one can use streaming audio/video, download music, etc. >on the company computers because: > >a. it is a security risk and I don't know about that. >b. it slows down the network >(not just the Internet connection, but the whole system). Very much so. We've outlawed NetRadio around here because it chokes bandwidth. BYOMP3 only. --Ben If you are starting to design for XHTML 1.0, one quick thing that will make your life easy if/when you switch to 1.1: when centering tables, don't use , use
because the former will validate in XHTML 1.0, but not in XHTML 1.1. From shebacat44 at hotmail.com Tue May 22 12:38:55 2001 From: shebacat44 at hotmail.com (Rita Richardson) Date: Tue May 22 12:38:55 2001 Subject: [thelist] [OT] Age (was: Difference between and ) Message-ID: >I'm not telling ... but I'm getting a little long in the tooth. (<8 Sharon > Yes, ditto on the long in the tooth thing . . .but I'm not telling, either! I do think it is hard to keep up with the youngsters. I work with a 22-year-old who is a much better coder than I. She started very young, and justs absorbs new and different ideas like a sponge . . .she, does not, however, know very many *Blondie* lyrics, so there are advantages to being old . . . Rita Richardson Web Designer Shebacat44 at hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us Tue May 22 12:55:45 2001 From: McCreath_David at xmail.asd.k12.ak.us (McCreath_David) Date: Tue May 22 12:55:45 2001 Subject: [thelist] [OT] Age (was: Difference between and ) Message-ID: <9627DBCB3063D311BC4B00902785C55F02A127D3@EXPO1> A note about this thread, folks. The evolt community makes every effort to keep posts to thelist on-topic (the topic is web development), and we have two mechanisms in place for doing so. One is the , by which you may post an off-topic message, but you have to include a that *is* on-topic. Like this: You can use a style attribute in a text input to increase the visible space that the field takes up on the page like this: Older browsers will use the size attribute and newer browsers will use the style attribute to spread the input field to the full width of whatever container the form is in, whether it's a page or table cell. The thing to remember about s is that every message in an off-topic thread needs to include one. :) And just because a may seem obvious to you, don't think everybody else has thought of it. The other (and preferred) mechanism is thechat, evolt's mail list specifically for non-webdev discussions, like everyone's age and coordinating realworld events (like beervolts). It's a lively little group and a welcome release for many of us. To subscribe, go here: http://lists.evolt.org/mailman/listinfo/thechat Thanks to everyone's efforts in keeping thelist as good as it is. David From gassinaumasis at hotmail.com Tue May 22 12:58:26 2001 From: gassinaumasis at hotmail.com (Peter-Paul Koch) Date: Tue May 22 12:58:26 2001 Subject: [thelist] CSS Contextual Selectors (was "Aimster must give up domain to AOL" Message-ID: > > Some of them do work in IE5 Mac, which is much more advanced than any > > Windows version when it comes to CSS2. For compatibility with CSS2, see >my > > test site > > You caught me. :) Me and my Windows-centric mindset. My statement >should >have read: "It will *not* work in any _Windows_ version of IE...". Ah, well, you gave me the chance to once again mention my own site . And it isn't as if I (or anyone else) make no mistakes. ppk _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From razorwise at yahoo.com Tue May 22 13:37:06 2001 From: razorwise at yahoo.com (Sean Preston) Date: Tue May 22 13:37:06 2001 Subject: [thelist] PHP MySql Message-ID: <20010522183728.82570.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Gang, I need some direction in setting up a database in MySql. I've no experience with it and am checking out PHP. My host already has all this configured, which is nice, but the downside, is I can't find it! PHP works okay...I've tested it, just don't know where to dump the data for testing... Here's the config that the phpinfo() command returned (re: MySql configs)--> './configure' '--with-mysql=/usr/local/mysql' '--with-msql=/usr/local/msql2.0' '--with-apache=/usr/local/apache_1.3.4' Any help would be appreciated. TIA, Sean __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From webshot at neoncowboy.com Tue May 22 13:46:01 2001 From: webshot at neoncowboy.com (John Corry) Date: Tue May 22 13:46:01 2001 Subject: [thelist] PHP MySql In-Reply-To: <20010522183728.82570.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: You need to connect to the MySQL db server...telnet is one way to do that, but phpMyAdmin is way easier... You can download phpMyAdmin here: http://www.phpwizard.net/projects/phpMyAdmin/ Then, upload it to your server...modify the config file with your own username/password, and see if that works. If not, contact me offlist and I'll try to help out, my ICQ# is 51406722 good luck, jpc > -----Original Message----- > From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org > [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Sean Preston > Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 8:37 AM > To: thelist at lists.evolt.org > Subject: [thelist] PHP MySql > > > Hi Gang, > > I need some direction in setting up a database in MySql. I've no > experience with it and am > checking out PHP. My host already has all this configured, which > is nice, but the downside, is I > can't find it! PHP works okay...I've tested it, just don't know > where to dump the data for > testing... > > Here's the config that the phpinfo() command returned (re: MySql > configs)--> > > './configure' '--with-mysql=/usr/local/mysql' > '--with-msql=/usr/local/msql2.0' > '--with-apache=/usr/local/apache_1.3.4' > > Any help would be appreciated. > > TIA, > > Sean > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------- > For unsubscribe and other options, including > the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: > http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! > > From wolfboy69 at earthlink.net Tue May 22 13:48:06 2001 From: wolfboy69 at earthlink.net (Michael Wolfe) Date: Tue May 22 13:48:06 2001 Subject: [thelist] PHP MySql In-Reply-To: <20010522183728.82570.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010522114718.00a861b0@mail.earthlink.net> At 11:37 AM 5/22/01 -0700, you wrote: >I need some direction in setting up a database in MySql. I've no >experience with it and am >checking out PHP. My host already has all this configured, which is nice, >but the downside, is I >can't find it! PHP works okay...I've tested it, just don't know where to >dump the data for >testing... > >Here's the config that the phpinfo() command returned (re: MySql configs)--> Sean, Your host should have set you up with a login to a MySQL database. If your host doesn't provide you with a web-based tool for administering your database, you should check out phpMyAdmin at http://www.phpwizard.net/projects/phpMyAdmin/ It's THE web-based admin tool for MySQL databases. Just copy it to a directory under your site root, and put your login information into the config file which is included with the tool. If you don't have the login info, your host should be able to provide it for you. WARNING: Make sure you password-protect the directory where you put phpMyAdmin. Otherwise, anyone will be able to access and modify your database. ___________________ Michael Wolfe Senior Software Engineer http://www.ework.com mwolfe at ework.com From razorwise at yahoo.com Tue May 22 13:59:26 2001 From: razorwise at yahoo.com (Sean Preston) Date: Tue May 22 13:59:26 2001 Subject: [thelist] PHP MySql In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010522185949.36371.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks guys. I'm scratching my head and trying to do the Install even as we speak. I do want to change the extension to .php instead of .php3 though.... -Sean The tip's in the mail? *G* __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From thelwell at thelwell.org Tue May 22 14:26:32 2001 From: thelwell at thelwell.org (Jeanne Edna Thelwell) Date: Tue May 22 14:26:32 2001 Subject: [thelist] PHP MySql In-Reply-To: <20010522185949.36371.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> References: Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010522152339.0329a668@127.0.0.1> At 11:59 AM 5/22/2001 -0700, you wrote: >Thanks guys. I'm scratching my head and trying to do the Install even as >we speak. I do want to >change the extension to .php instead of .php3 though.... That depends on how you're host has the server configured. You need to ask them. I think there's a script you can use, though, to tell PHP to see ".php" as ".php3" if that's what your host requires. BTW, there are two versions of phpMyAdmin, one using ".php" and one using ".php3". Just make sure you match your host's installation. From alligotar at gmx.net Tue May 22 14:40:32 2001 From: alligotar at gmx.net (Jakob =?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F6lling?=) Date: Tue May 22 14:40:32 2001 Subject: Windows-Installation (was Re: [thelist] Playing with MIME type (was: Downloading .jpg & .pdf files)) References: <3B07DBCC.15608.5ED5DA1@localhost> <3B095F88.30CFF11F@avencom.com> <3B097AC9.3044AAFF@gmx.net> <3B099583.345E2313@avencom.com> <3B099988.E8F133EA@gmx.net> <3B099B5E.9B7AB221@avencom.com> Message-ID: <3B0AC0C7.BD2BAF7E@gmx.net> Joe Crawford schrieb: > > Jakob D?lling wrote: > > I think I know something what you will help: If you're installing win32 > > (which version exactly now it is I think doesn't matter), Windows has > > associated gif and *.jpg files to IE - I don't know how to forbid > > Windows to install IE. Did you tried the same thing with a *.jpeg file? > > > > And, still something: Opera does the same as IE. > > Quickie tests: > Netscape 4 - prompt box, Netscape 6, prompt box. > IE5, Opera 5.02, WebTV (!) viewer, all just display. BTW: WebTV is IE5 as WebTV.net is a daughter company of Mc$oft- I did looked it up in my personal server logs. Opera seems also to make use of the IE engine. > > No, I didn't test jpg/jpeg files, but I am dubious it would make a > difference. > > The thing is, my associations are what a typical installation would > have. And it doesn't work on a typical setup for the majority. The > theory is sound, but IE is being 'helpful' in a way that does not > necessarily make sense. :-\ Yeah, and as a german joke proverb says: outside it is colder than at night ;-) . No, seriously, I did re-install WinNT 4.0 and Win98 many times and in so many variantions to come to the conclusion, that you are not able to prevent Winsetup not to extract IE *without* modifying the installation settings - Mc$oft would this consider as violating the licence agreement. Hth, Jkaob D?lling -- To Unix or not to Unix. That is the question whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer slings and arrows of vast documentation or to take arms against a sea of buggy OS and by raping the support lines end then? ;> Contact: /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \/Jakob D?lling \/EMail: mailto:alligott at yahoo.com \/ <>Treuerzipfel 13 <>ICQ #: 47326203 <> /\D-38678 Clausthal /\ICQ pager: mailto:47326203 at pager.icq.com /\ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ /\Webmaster of http://www.bank-ic.de/ /\ \/--------------------------------------------------------------\/ From sales at iibiz.com Tue May 22 15:15:02 2001 From: sales at iibiz.com (sales at iibiz.com) Date: Tue May 22 15:15:02 2001 Subject: [thelist] Server Security References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010522114718.00a861b0@mail.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000901c0e2fc$a87bde60$7cb8b3c7@iibiz> Ok gang - need some links here..... An ex-boss of mine (non tech type guy) called and was asking me questions about server security. His company plans to let people access their paychecks online along with profit sharing etc. He's asking me about password options, and security for the server itself. This isn't my area of expertise, so I'm hoping you guys can point me to some stuff to send to him that might actually be in layman's terms...... Sandy From gozz at gozz.com Tue May 22 15:25:37 2001 From: gozz at gozz.com (Erik Mattheis) Date: Tue May 22 15:25:37 2001 Subject: [thelist] OT: Looking to share server Message-ID: I have a few dozen basic and low traffic sites in a shared environment I need to move to one dedicated server: Win 2K w/ColdFusion with SQL Server/Oracle databases on a shared DB server. I need to come up with someone else to go in on this with to make it feasible, is too complicated to explain here. Email me off list for more info if you're interested ... thanks. http://www.irt.org/ is an amazing resource if you know JavaScript but are having trouble figuring out how to get something to work, or are looking for an eloquent way to solve a JavaScript problem. Their FAQ is searchable and comes up with really relevant results. -- - Erik Mattheis "For best results, pronounce muh THEIGH ess." (612) 827 3963 From mjr at linkzero.com Tue May 22 15:28:52 2001 From: mjr at linkzero.com (Mike Roberto) Date: Tue May 22 15:28:52 2001 Subject: [thelist] CF Studio - Macros/AutoDate/Default Template Question In-Reply-To: <3B0AC0C7.BD2BAF7E@gmx.net> Message-ID: I'm(*cough*) finally putting together a standard header for my default document in CF Studio to keep track of author name, creation date, variables required, updates, etc. I'm trying to find a way to autoinsert an autodate when a new file is created. Is there a way to do this in CF Studio? I saw a message posted in Allaire's CF Studio Forum, but noone had replied to it with an answer. If anyone has attempted something similar i'd appreciate any input or suggestions. Thanks Mike When using CF Studio you can use ctrl-J to bring up a small menu which offers a selection of code templates to insert. Examples include HTML 2.0, 3.2, and 4.0 DOCTYPE tags, Stylesheet links, meta tags, and a basic javascript block. You can add your own templates to the collection, which can really speed up coding if you have regularly used blocks of code at your disposal. You can find this under the Settings > Editor > Code Templates Menu. Although this is similar to snippets, i like it a bit better because using snippets you often run out of Keys to map each snippet to. With these templates you have a little popup window to select from and it frees up some key combinations for other functions. **************************************************************************** Michael Roberto < LinkZero >

203.248.4418 203.248.4478 mjr at linkzero.com www.linkzero.com -----Original Message----- From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Jakob D?lling Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 3:41 PM To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: Windows-Installation (was Re: [thelist] Playing with MIME type (was: Downloading .jpg & .pdf files)) Joe Crawford schrieb: > > Jakob D?lling wrote: > > I think I know something what you will help: If you're installing win32 > > (which version exactly now it is I think doesn't matter), Windows has > > associated gif and *.jpg files to IE - I don't know how to forbid > > Windows to install IE. Did you tried the same thing with a *.jpeg file? > > > > And, still something: Opera does the same as IE. > > Quickie tests: > Netscape 4 - prompt box, Netscape 6, prompt box. > IE5, Opera 5.02, WebTV (!) viewer, all just display. BTW: WebTV is IE5 as WebTV.net is a daughter company of Mc$oft- I did looked it up in my personal server logs. Opera seems also to make use of the IE engine. > > No, I didn't test jpg/jpeg files, but I am dubious it would make a > difference. > > The thing is, my associations are what a typical installation would > have. And it doesn't work on a typical setup for the majority. The > theory is sound, but IE is being 'helpful' in a way that does not > necessarily make sense. :-\ Yeah, and as a german joke proverb says: outside it is colder than at night ;-) . No, seriously, I did re-install WinNT 4.0 and Win98 many times and in so many variantions to come to the conclusion, that you are not able to prevent Winsetup not to extract IE *without* modifying the installation settings - Mc$oft would this consider as violating the licence agreement. Hth, Jkaob D?lling -- To Unix or not to Unix. That is the question whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer slings and arrows of vast documentation or to take arms against a sea of buggy OS and by raping the support lines end then? ;> Contact: /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \/Jakob D?lling \/EMail: mailto:alligott at yahoo.com \/ <>Treuerzipfel 13 <>ICQ #: 47326203 <> /\D-38678 Clausthal /\ICQ pager: mailto:47326203 at pager.icq.com /\ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ /\Webmaster of http://www.bank-ic.de/ /\ \/--------------------------------------------------------------\/ --------------------------------------- For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From joshua at alphashop.net Tue May 22 15:38:42 2001 From: joshua at alphashop.net (Joshua OIson) Date: Tue May 22 15:38:42 2001 Subject: [thelist] CF Studio - Macros/AutoDate/Default Template Question References: Message-ID: <08e801c0e2ff$811838c0$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> : : When using CF Studio you can use ctrl-J to bring up a small : menu which offers a selection of code templates to insert. : : Examples include HTML 2.0, 3.2, and 4.0 DOCTYPE tags, Stylesheet : links, meta tags, and a basic javascript block. You can add your : own templates to the collection, which can really speed up coding : if you have regularly used blocks of code at your disposal. You : can find this under the Settings > Editor > Code Templates Menu. : : Although this is similar to snippets, i like it a bit better because : using snippets you often run out of Keys to map each snippet to. : With these templates you have a little popup window to select : from and it frees up some key combinations for other functions. : AWESOME tip. I never knew. There's one thing I would add, though. Original tip from Mike Roberto When using CF Studio you can use ctrl-J to bring up a small menu which offers a selection of code templates to insert. Examples include HTML 2.0, 3.2, and 4.0 DOCTYPE tags, Stylesheet links, meta tags, and a basic javascript block. You can add your own templates to the collection, which can really speed up coding if you have regularly used blocks of code at your disposal. You can find this under the Settings > Editor > Code Templates Menu. Although this is similar to snippets, i like it a bit better because using snippets you often run out of Keys to map each snippet to. With these templates you have a little popup window to select from and it frees up some key combinations for other functions. Addendum: And, you can type the "keyword" into the editor and press Ctrl-J immediately after and it'll expand the keyword into the full text of the shortcut. This is useful if you have added many items and the list has grown unbearably long. -joshua From jaytanwar at hotmail.com Tue May 22 15:39:42 2001 From: jaytanwar at hotmail.com (Jai Singh Tanwar) Date: Tue May 22 15:39:42 2001 Subject: [thelist] [fwd] Re:The Mail Editor in the ASP PAGES Message-ID: <001e45639201651BUNSON@bunson.webservepro.com> --------------------------------------------- This message was held by thelist software and is being manually forwarded by a list admin. Please remember to send emails in plain-text format only, or they will not reach thelist until it is later forwarded by a list admin. --------------------------------------------- Hi all Does any one know about some good Com component which can Add the MailEditor/MailEditing Facilites to the Asp pages.Preferably it Should not bethe activeX . Thanks Jai From jaytanwar at hotmail.com Tue May 22 15:40:37 2001 From: jaytanwar at hotmail.com (Jai Singh Tanwar) Date: Tue May 22 15:40:37 2001 Subject: [thelist] [fwd] Re:The Maintaining a Session/Session Variables Message-ID: <002870041201651BUNSON@bunson.webservepro.com> --------------------------------------------- This message was held by thelist software and is being manually forwarded by a list admin. Please remember to send emails in plain-text format only, or they will not reach thelist until it is later forwarded by a list admin. --------------------------------------------- Hi All Is there any One out there Who knows how to Maintain a Session Varaiable or Session across More then One IIS SERVER IN ASP=20 From kjs at ratking.co.uk Tue May 22 15:44:12 2001 From: kjs at ratking.co.uk (Kevin Stevens) Date: Tue May 22 15:44:12 2001 Subject: [thelist] Photos References: Message-ID: <000201c0e300$698b0ec0$6c91883e@y3s2e7> Dear List I have recently returned from my honeymoon and have bought a domain name to host a vanity site with all our photos and holiday journal for all our friends and relatives in far flung places. I intend to put the best of our photos on a page as thumbnails, click on the picture to see it full size etc., but I would also like to be able to have "next" and "previous" arrows on the page so people can just flick through all the full size pictures if they wish. How is the best way to achieve this? I can think of 2 possible options... 1. Upload all the images into a directory and then create a JavaScript function with the images listed in an array (not even sure if this is possible, my JavaScript is a little rusty). 2. Put the image filepaths into a database and then call them from there, using the primary key to keep them in order. So, which way is preferable, or is there another way that is so blindingly obvious I have missed it? TIA Kev kjs at ratking.co.uk From scott.brady at homeqonline.com Tue May 22 15:44:47 2001 From: scott.brady at homeqonline.com (scott.brady at homeqonline.com) Date: Tue May 22 15:44:47 2001 Subject: [thelist] Attack of the BLOB Message-ID: <88256A54.0071E572.00@smtp1.themoneystore.com> I've been given the task of using Cold Fusion to pull data from an Informix database (over which I barely have read access, much less any other access) in order to automate our Outage Monitor for some of our systems. One of the problems I'm running up against is that the system that populates the data (Action Request System) stores text fields as BLOBs (Binary Large OBjects) and when I pull the info from the database, it displays as hexadecimal. So far, no one I've found can tell me if there's a way to convert that to the original text. Does anyone have any ideas on how to turn a BLOB into readable text? Thanks! Scott From fortune_elkins at summithq.com Tue May 22 15:54:42 2001 From: fortune_elkins at summithq.com (Fortune Elkins) Date: Tue May 22 15:54:42 2001 Subject: [thelist] dhtml menus Message-ID: <1449413DA482D311B67000508B5A12F5039B641D@mailhost.summithq.com> hiya again! ok, marketing now wants dhtml menus. i have explained to them that these are *heavy.* they want them anyway. our webmaster likes the dhtml menus from web reference, because they are well-documented, widely used, and free. see http://www.webreference.com/dhtml/column53/LoadMe.html however, these require a minimum 38K download(!) just for all the scripts, not to mention the in-page stuff. i have corporate clients with T1 lines, but still. . . i have looked at the wonderful fireworks 4 menus, which are just(!) 24k to download. however, there are several bugs. . .such as every different menu must have its own 24k file. . . i have made a simple menu in DW4 that works in all browsers and is 20k, just by hiding and showing

s. nope, must have dhtml. arguing them out of this won't work, and they hate flash. can anyone give me the URL of a *light* dhtml menu? or am i just being a sissy? is 38k not a problem, really?? tia, fortune ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------- The views and opinions expressed in this email message are the sender's own, and do not necessarily represent the views and opinions of Summit Systems Inc. From ronwhite at members.evolt.org Tue May 22 15:54:47 2001 From: ronwhite at members.evolt.org (Ron White) Date: Tue May 22 15:54:47 2001 Subject: [thelist] Photos In-Reply-To: <000201c0e300$698b0ec0$6c91883e@y3s2e7> Message-ID: How about the simplest? You have N photos, load them all into a directory and then Photo1 has links to photo2 and photoN, 2 has 3 and 1 and photoN-1 Thanks, Ron White I intend to put the best of our photos on a page as thumbnails, click on the picture to see it full size etc., but I would also like to be able to have "next" and "previous" arrows on the page so people can just flick through all the full size pictures if they wish. So, which way is preferable, or is there another way that is so blindingly obvious I have missed it? From lists at icongarden.com Tue May 22 15:56:47 2001 From: lists at icongarden.com (Jacob Stetser) Date: Tue May 22 15:56:47 2001 Subject: [thelist] [OT] Age (was: Difference between and ) In-Reply-To: <9627DBCB3063D311BC4B00902785C55F02A127D3@EXPO1> References: <9627DBCB3063D311BC4B00902785C55F02A127D3@EXPO1> Message-ID: I've had some issues with this in Netscape 4.x.. it tends to add an extra line break afterward, so be mindful of this when placing styles on form elements. I like the 100% thing, just wish it worked a little better :) (If this is due to me doing something wrong, please correct my erroneous ways!) Jake > > >You can use a style attribute in a text input to increase the visible space >that the field takes up on the page like this: > > > >Older browsers will use the size attribute and newer browsers will use the >style attribute to spread the input field to the full width of whatever >container the form is in, whether it's a page or table cell. > > -- Jacob Stetser :: jms at icongarden.com Internet Experience Consultant icongarden.com: Making good ideas grow! From mike at dehart.net Tue May 22 15:58:42 2001 From: mike at dehart.net (Mike DeHart) Date: Tue May 22 15:58:42 2001 Subject: [thelist] Dreamweaver 4.0 sign-in/sign-out feature In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.0.1.4.2.20010522165042.035427a0@mail.mail-server.com> Am about to recommend a ten seat license for a small, ill-funded nonprofit. Is any one design app clearly superior re check-in/check-out... Dreamweaver/GoLive/Frontpage? Thanx!!! m At 05:20 PM 4/3/01, Baker, Nick wrote: >Mark-- > I agree--we abandoned the in/out feature too. FWIW, FP's similar >feature also caused problems when I moved to a new position, and turned the >site over to someone else. Some files were checked out to me when my >permissions were cancelled and now no one has been able to touch them! >SysAdmin is working on it... > > Nick > >Nick Baker >Web Access Officer >The University of Montana >-----Original Message----- >From: Mark Gregor [mailto:mark at velir.com] >Subject: [thelist] Dreamweaver 4.0 sign-in/sign-out feature > > >--------------------------------------- >For unsubscribe and other options, including >the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: >http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! ------------------------------------------ Mike DeHart 703 448 8120 mike at dehart.net From norman.bunn at craftedsolutions.com Tue May 22 15:58:57 2001 From: norman.bunn at craftedsolutions.com (Norman Bunn) Date: Tue May 22 15:58:57 2001 Subject: [thelist] Photos References: <000201c0e300$698b0ec0$6c91883e@y3s2e7> Message-ID: <030301c0e302$12fec4a0$0301a8c0@FSODOM> If you have CGI access, get a free CGI script that does it at: hotscripts.com cgi-resources.com Norman www.craftedsolutions.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Stevens To: Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 3:31 PM Subject: [thelist] Photos > Dear List > I have recently returned from my honeymoon and have bought a > domain name to host a vanity site with all our photos and holiday journal > for all our friends and relatives in far flung places. I intend to put the > best of our photos on a page as thumbnails, click on the picture to see it > full size etc., but I would also like to be able to have "next" and > "previous" arrows on the page so people can just flick through all the full > size pictures if they wish. How is the best way to achieve this? I can think > of 2 possible options... > > 1. Upload all the images into a directory and then create a JavaScript > function with the images listed in an array (not even sure if this is > possible, my JavaScript is a little rusty). > > 2. Put the image filepaths into a database and then call them from there, > using the primary key to keep them in order. > > So, which way is preferable, or is there another way that is so blindingly > obvious I have missed it? > > TIA > > Kev > kjs at ratking.co.uk > > > --------------------------------------- > For unsubscribe and other options, including > the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: > http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From qsfc at home.com Tue May 22 16:03:37 2001 From: qsfc at home.com (Quicksilver) Date: Tue May 22 16:03:37 2001 Subject: [thelist] Photos References: <000201c0e300$698b0ec0$6c91883e@y3s2e7> Message-ID: <007b01c0e303$25bca160$70b42a18@yec1.on.wave.home.com> Well, you could just put them all in individual HTML files, that'd be the simplest way from some points of view. I'd use the database though, since it doesn't require people to have javascript enabled, and it's just slicker. :) --------------------------------- Quicksilver : qsfc at home.com From qsfc at home.com Tue May 22 16:05:42 2001 From: qsfc at home.com (Quicksilver) Date: Tue May 22 16:05:42 2001 Subject: [thelist] PHP function: dovars() Message-ID: <008301c0e303$733a9500$70b42a18@yec1.on.wave.home.com> I was looking through some source files on my way to learning this language, and I came across this function. I couldn't find it in the PHP manual, but if I guess right it seems very useful. I just need to know how to use it, as in the syntax. Thanks for any help, --------------------------------- Quicksilver : qsfc at home.com From robin at rhastings.net Tue May 22 16:06:02 2001 From: robin at rhastings.net (Robin Hastings) Date: Tue May 22 16:06:02 2001 Subject: [thelist] Photos In-Reply-To: <000201c0e300$698b0ec0$6c91883e@y3s2e7> Message-ID: >I can think >of 2 possible options... > >1. Upload all the images into a directory and then create a JavaScript >function with the images listed in an array (not even sure if this is >possible, my JavaScript is a little rusty). > >2. Put the image filepaths into a database and then call them from there, >using the primary key to keep them in order. > >So, which way is preferable, or is there another way that is so blindingly >obvious I have missed it? > >TIA > >Kev >kjs at ratking.co.uk What platform are you using, Kev? I have a friend who did this for pictures of his niece at http://www.mikewashburn.com/hanna.htm with sequentially numbered pics and Cold Fusion. Drop me a line if you need details! Robin Hastings Public Computer Center Coordinator hastingsr at mrrl.org (573) 634-6064 x242 From webmaster at equilon-mrc.com Tue May 22 16:10:52 2001 From: webmaster at equilon-mrc.com (James Aylard) Date: Tue May 22 16:10:52 2001 Subject: [thelist] dhtml menus References: <1449413DA482D311B67000508B5A12F5039B641D@mailhost.summithq.com> Message-ID: <016f01c0e303$f1ef6920$2860398a@newcos.com> fortune, > i have made a simple menu in DW4 that works in all browsers and is 20k, just > by hiding and showing
s. nope, must have dhtml. > > arguing them out of this won't work, and they hate flash. can anyone give me > the URL of a *light* dhtml menu? or am i just being a sissy? is 38k not a > problem, really?? Actually, your DW4 menu that hides and shows divs *is* dhtml (dhtml is generally considered to be a combination of html, scripting, and style sheets). What is it that they want that this menu isn't? James Aylard From alastair at cubeit.co.uk Tue May 22 16:11:27 2001 From: alastair at cubeit.co.uk (Alastair Murdoch) Date: Tue May 22 16:11:27 2001 Subject: [thelist] dhtml menus In-Reply-To: <1449413DA482D311B67000508B5A12F5039B641D@mailhost.summithq.com> Message-ID: Try visiting computer arts www.computerarts.co.uk. They have a pretty easy to use, very efficient drop drop code available for download. It's straightforward, easy to customise, works in 4+ browsers and in a few days time I'll have a NS6 modification working!!! Only thing it doesn't have is any form of hierarchy, it's one dropdown only although I suppose it could be adapted fairly easily, you really only applying the same script to another layer. Mail me if you want any more info on it. Cheers alastair ------------------------------- A l a s t a i r M u r d o c h c o n s u l t a n t @ c u b e [t:] 01292 27 00 99 [m:] 07974 323 551 [w:] www.cubeit.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Fortune Elkins Sent: 22 May 2001 21:55 To: 'thelist at lists.evolt.org' Subject: [thelist] dhtml menus hiya again! ok, marketing now wants dhtml menus. i have explained to them that these are *heavy.* they want them anyway. our webmaster likes the dhtml menus from web reference, because they are well-documented, widely used, and free. see http://www.webreference.com/dhtml/column53/LoadMe.html however, these require a minimum 38K download(!) just for all the scripts, not to mention the in-page stuff. i have corporate clients with T1 lines, but still. . . i have looked at the wonderful fireworks 4 menus, which are just(!) 24k to download. however, there are several bugs. . .such as every different menu must have its own 24k file. . . i have made a simple menu in DW4 that works in all browsers and is 20k, just by hiding and showing
s. nope, must have dhtml. arguing them out of this won't work, and they hate flash. can anyone give me the URL of a *light* dhtml menu? or am i just being a sissy? is 38k not a problem, really?? tia, fortune ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------- The views and opinions expressed in this email message are the sender's own, and do not necessarily represent the views and opinions of Summit Systems Inc. --------------------------------------- For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From elfur at members.evolt.org Tue May 22 16:13:27 2001 From: elfur at members.evolt.org (Elfur Logadottir) Date: Tue May 22 16:13:27 2001 Subject: [thelist] dhtml menus References: <1449413DA482D311B67000508B5A12F5039B641D@mailhost.summithq.com> Message-ID: <1b1b01c0e304$0ec37a00$40aefea9@DWARFS> From: "Fortune Elkins" | ok, marketing now wants dhtml menus. i have explained to them that these are | *heavy.* they want them anyway. | however, these require a minimum 38K download(!) just for all the scripts, | not to mention the in-page stuff. i have corporate clients with T1 lines, | but still. . . | | or am i just being a sissy? is 38k not a problem, really?? I'd never dare to call you a sissy, but I don't think you will get a lighter script with the capabilities and cross-browser support of the webreference script. So if there's no way to turn them away from that solution, just explain to them what that means, what the consequences are (in terms of lo bandwidth customers), and then proceed. HTH elfur From qsfc at home.com Tue May 22 16:16:02 2001 From: qsfc at home.com (Quicksilver) Date: Tue May 22 16:16:02 2001 Subject: [thelist] Nevermind.. [was: PHP function: dovars()] References: <008301c0e303$733a9500$70b42a18@yec1.on.wave.home.com> Message-ID: <00b101c0e304$e6ef7140$70b42a18@yec1.on.wave.home.com> I feel a bit embarassed here.. the function was one that was defined elsewhere in the file. I don't know why I didn't check that. Sorry, false alarm. :) - qs From max at munkandphyber.com Tue May 22 16:30:48 2001 From: max at munkandphyber.com (Max Fenton) Date: Tue May 22 16:30:48 2001 Subject: [thelist] PHP MySql In-Reply-To: <20010522205843.36A0BB96@relay.evolt.org> Message-ID: > Thanks guys. I'm scratching my head and trying to do the Install even as we > speak. I do want to > change the extension to .php instead of .php3 though.... > > -Sean No, actually I you don't. When working with someone else's (open-source) project it's best not to mess around with filenames unless you really want to verify every dependency in a multi-thousand-line bundle of source. If you tinker with the source, you cut yourself off from the development project as a whole. in other words, new patches, versions, etc. will break when you try to just drop the patches in. in this case (phpMyAdmin), no one but you (and co-administrators) should even be looking at the program; certainly as developers and designers we shouldn't shrug off the aesthetics of in-house work, but in this case, don't worry too much about the .php3 vs .php extensions. Functionally, both work just as well and (in fact) .php3 is more compatible - useful when you don't have control of the host. --Max ............................................... : max.fenton :: 5880.com :: munkandphyber.com : From kalyanideshpande at yahoo.com Tue May 22 16:34:43 2001 From: kalyanideshpande at yahoo.com (kalyani deshpande) Date: Tue May 22 16:34:43 2001 Subject: [thelist] DHTML Message-ID: <20010522213506.5856.qmail@web207.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Folks, I'm a budding web designer/developer and in the process of learning DHTML and wanted to know whether designers/developers actually *create* dhtml code from scratch or whether they get it off of websites. I've seen many job descriptions that say you need to know DHTMl but I'd like to get the inside scoop on things. Will they actually tell me to write the code or is more of "know what it looks like and you'll be okay"? Thanks, Kalyani ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From andrew.mcnabb at mindspring.com Tue May 22 16:41:27 2001 From: andrew.mcnabb at mindspring.com (Andy) Date: Tue May 22 16:41:27 2001 Subject: [thelist] Re: dhtml menus In-Reply-To: <20010522205844.06188B9A@relay.evolt.org> Message-ID: Since you have DW4, you should check out the snap and autolayers extension from Project Seven (http://www.projectseven.com/). They are very light and work with all 4+ browsers (though I think there are some issues with IE4.5 Mac). You'll have to roll your own with these extensions - they're not as easy to setup as the Fireworks menus - but they're not difficult and they're much more flexible. Just go to Project Seven and look for Snap Layers under the tutorials/extensions section. HTH, Andy > From: Fortune Elkins > Reply-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org > Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 16:54:59 -0400 > To: "'thelist at lists.evolt.org'" > Subject: [thelist] dhtml menus > > hiya again! > > ok, marketing now wants dhtml menus. i have explained to them that these are > *heavy.* they want them anyway. From charliel at infohwy.com Tue May 22 16:43:42 2001 From: charliel at infohwy.com (Charlie Llewellin) Date: Tue May 22 16:43:42 2001 Subject: [thelist] Apache 1.2.6 Q References: <3B05B33E.C322CD9@gmx.net> <3B05B7B7.38262E7B@webtuitive.com> <3B0990A2.4F358E6B@gmx.net> <3B09ADE2.604678B5@webtuitive.com> Message-ID: <007201c0e318$d2a7b3a0$6b202fc0@emmis.com> Logformat directives can only go in the main server configuration or in a virtual server configuration section.. that is, in the httpd.conf file. charlie > Jakob D?lling wrote: > > > > LogFormat "%h %l %u %t \"%r\" %>s %b \"%{Referer}i\" \"%{User-Agent}i\"" combined > > > LogFormat "%h %l %u %t \"%r\" %>s %b" common > > > LogFormat "%{Referer}i -> %U" referer > > > LogFormat "%{User-agent}i" agent > > > > one question: can I add these lines add to the .htaccess-file or is > > required that these lines are in the main server configuration section? From Ron.Luther at COMPAQ.com Tue May 22 16:49:47 2001 From: Ron.Luther at COMPAQ.com (Luther, Ron) Date: Tue May 22 16:49:47 2001 Subject: [thelist] Attack of the BLOB Message-ID: <8958135993102D479F1CA2351F370A06FCF816@cceexc17.americas.cpqcorp.net> Hi Scott, Didn't see a 'quick answer' in my CF boof ... found a number of interesting links running "read BLOB" through google... http://www.mvps.org/vb/hardcore/html/readingwritingblobs.htm http://www.bitmechanic.com/mail-archives/dbi-users/Oct1998/0029.html http://faqchest.dynhost.com/prgm/dbi-l/dbi-98/dbi-9803/dbi-980301/dbi9803100 0_01659.html http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q210/4/86.asp HTH, RonL. -----Original Message----- From: scott.brady at homeqonline.com [mailto:scott.brady at homeqonline.com] One of the problems I'm running up against is that the system that populates the data (Action Request System) stores text fields as BLOBs (Binary Large OBjects) and when I pull the info from the database, it displays as hexadecimal. So far, no one I've found can tell me if there's a way to convert that to the original text. Does anyone have any ideas on how to turn a BLOB into readable text? From gassinaumasis at hotmail.com Tue May 22 16:52:17 2001 From: gassinaumasis at hotmail.com (Peter-Paul Koch) Date: Tue May 22 16:52:17 2001 Subject: [thelist] DHTML Message-ID: >I'm a budding web designer/developer and in the >process of learning DHTML and wanted to know whether >designers/developers actually *create* dhtml code from >scratch or whether they get it off of websites. I usually write from scratch. If I don't, I use functions that I myself have written before. The reason is that most script libs, pre-written scripts etc. are far too complicated, usually containing lots of stuff that you'll never use. Two of my own pages for your edification: http://www.digital-web.com/features/ an article that explains the purpose and history of the DOM. Background info that you'll need if you really want to understand DHTML. http://www.xs4all.nl/~ppk/js/index.html?introdh.html My Introduction to DHTML. What is it, what can it do, what can't it do, how to write it. >I've seen many job descriptions that say you need to >know DHTMl but I'd like to get the inside scoop on >things. Will they actually tell me to write the code >or is more of "know what it looks like and you'll be >okay"? I guess the second, unless you come across someone who is like me . If someone applies for a job and says he can write DHTML from scratch, I gently ask him to name the problems with layers in Netscape 4 and wait for his answer. I don't mind hiring someone who only knows how to copy/paste scripts, as long as he says he can only copy/paste. But this depends entirely on the person that decides whether to hire you. Knowing DHTML (and *really* knowing it, including its problems) is of course an asset in each job application. ppk _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From paul_dewey at hotmail.com Tue May 22 16:55:47 2001 From: paul_dewey at hotmail.com (Paul Dewey) Date: Tue May 22 16:55:47 2001 Subject: [thelist] DHTML Message-ID: Long answer- When a job description asks for DHTML knowledge they want you to be able to create the page with dhtml coding. Not just know what it is because this is useless to them that you "know" what it is, but don't know how to create it. Many editors can help you but it best to be able to do it from scratch. I sometimes get stuck and go browsing for help. Short Answer- They want you to know how to do it from scratch. Paul _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From alligotar at gmx.net Tue May 22 16:57:57 2001 From: alligotar at gmx.net (Jakob =?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F6lling?=) Date: Tue May 22 16:57:57 2001 Subject: [thelist] RFC Q Message-ID: <3B0AE0FC.779EDD52@gmx.net> Morn gang: one quick question: in which RFC ist suggested, to put the "signature" at the end of the mail and what's the title of that RFC? Thanks, Jakob D?lling From gassinaumasis at hotmail.com Tue May 22 17:01:58 2001 From: gassinaumasis at hotmail.com (Peter-Paul Koch) Date: Tue May 22 17:01:58 2001 Subject: [thelist] dhtml menus Message-ID: >ok, marketing now wants dhtml menus. i have explained to them that these >are *heavy.* they want them anyway. They don't need to be heavy. >our webmaster likes the dhtml menus from web reference, because they are >well-documented, widely used, and free. see >http://www.webreference.com/dhtml/column53/LoadMe.html I happened to study this one a few days ago. It contains far too much code, of course, and in addition it achieves the pseudo-mouseover effect (hovered link gets different colour) in Netscape 4 by constantly rewriting the layers. Although this is no problem when the menu is the only DHTML on the page, I shudder to think what might happen if you add an additional 10 layers for your own DHTML stuff. Netscape 4 might easily crash. >however, these require a minimum 38K download(!) just for all the scripts, >not to mention the in-page stuff. i have corporate clients with T1 lines, >but still. . . That's the problem: far too much code. A good DHTML script doesn't need to be heavier than 3K. On the other hand, I think the actual data for the menu (the text and hrefs of the links) are included in the 38K. >i have looked at the wonderful fireworks 4 menus, which are just(!) 24k to >download. however, there are several bugs. . .such as every different menu >must have its own 24k file. . . How lovely. Fireworks = no go. I've noticed the totally ridiculous way that it slices up your images while there's no reason for it, combined with this DHTML nonsense it means to me that you shouldn't rely on Fireworks for your client side code. >i have made a simple menu in DW4 that works in all browsers and is 20k, >just by hiding and showing
s. nope, must have dhtml. Hiding and showing DIV's *is* DHTML, it's the changing of the visibility style declaration by means of JavaScript. DHTML = CSS + JavaScript Maybe you should change some little detail, say you've rewritten it so that it does "real" DHTML instead of just hiding layers and show it again. >arguing them out of this won't work, and they hate flash. can anyone give >me the URL of a *light* dhtml menu? or am i just being a sissy? is 38k not >a problem, really?? I can only offer you my own try: http://www.xs4all.nl/~ppk/js/index.html?dhtmlnavi.html It doesn't have the pseudo-mouseover effect on links in Netscape 4, though, while the webreference script does. ppk _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From jcrawford at avencom.com Tue May 22 17:03:07 2001 From: jcrawford at avencom.com (Joe Crawford) Date: Tue May 22 17:03:07 2001 Subject: [thelist] DHTML References: Message-ID: <3B0AE222.EB70ECCA@avencom.com> Paul Dewey wrote: > Long answer- > When a job description asks for DHTML knowledge they want you to be able to > create the page with dhtml coding. Not just know what it is because this is > useless to them that you "know" what it is, but don't know how to create it. > Many editors can help you but it best to be able to do it from scratch. I > sometimes get stuck and go browsing for help. > > Short Answer- > They want you to know how to do it from scratch. I pretty much agree. It depends on their expectations. If you use a canned script, or if, say, they're using an *existing* canned script from somewhere, and they want to know why it breaks in IE5/Mac or Netscape 6 - will you be able to deal with it? If you can't, then maybe you can say you're "familiar with dhtml" rather than being able to say "can program DHTML." As with any part of your skillset, you should have an objective knowledge of the extent, and the limits, of your understanding and training. If you're interested in claiming DHTML knowledge on a resume or in an interview - make a simple project for yourself which would require dhtml coding - then make a challenge for yourself to make it work in IE5, Netscape 6, IE5/Mac, Opera, Netscape 4. The things you will learn will tell you the limits of your knowledge - and make you smart enough to deal with the Q in an interview. There was a great article in Dr. Dobb's Journal earlier this year talking about the sad history of dhtml, and why it's hard to do, but why there's hope for the future. It would be a good starting point. Honestly though, a trip through the resources listed on this list *every day* would probably teach you lots as well. HTH, - Joe -- Joe Crawford |||||||||||||| mailto:jcrawford at avencom.com |||||||||||||||||||||||| http://www.avencom.com ||||||||||||||||||||||||||| Avencom: Set Your Sites Higher From gassinaumasis at hotmail.com Tue May 22 17:11:52 2001 From: gassinaumasis at hotmail.com (Peter-Paul Koch) Date: Tue May 22 17:11:52 2001 Subject: [thelist] RFC Q Message-ID: >Morn gang: > >one quick question: in which RFC ist suggested, to put the "signature" at >the end of the mail and what's the title of that RFC? I doubt anyone has ever bothered to write an RFC about this. Most likely it's contained in some old version of the Netiquette. I don't use a sig, BTW, so I wouldn't be following this hypothetical RFC. ppk _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From meta at telerama.com Tue May 22 17:12:12 2001 From: meta at telerama.com (meta.chris) Date: Tue May 22 17:12:12 2001 Subject: [thelist] statistics on browser usage Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010522180636.009ef290@pop.mindspring.com> hi, are there any good statistics on which browsers are being used? i know it's a given that IE is the most common, but which version (4.*, 5.*)? how about netscape (4.*,etc.)? sorry if this question has been posted many times before. -->(meta)chris meta at telerama.com From filip at netdesign.se Tue May 22 17:17:32 2001 From: filip at netdesign.se (Filip Salomonsson) Date: Tue May 22 17:17:32 2001 Subject: [thelist] RFC Q In-Reply-To: <3B0AE0FC.779EDD52@gmx.net> Message-ID: Jakob D?lling: > one quick question: in which RFC ist suggested, to > put the "signature" at the end of the mail and > what's the title of that RFC? Sounds like RFC1855, "Netiquette guidelines". /filip From webmaster at equilon-mrc.com Tue May 22 17:42:42 2001 From: webmaster at equilon-mrc.com (James Aylard) Date: Tue May 22 17:42:42 2001 Subject: [thelist] ASP/ADO/SQL: Is it Possible to Store a Recordset in an Application Variable? Message-ID: <01e101c0e310$c6ca9140$2860398a@newcos.com> I have a question that is primarily ASP-oriented, but also revolves around ADO and MS SQL: Is it possible to store a recordset extracted from a SQL table as an Application variable? Actually, I've done that, and on my ASP page I can determine that the variable is a recordset using the VBScript TypeName function (the result being "Recordset"). But I can't figure out how to extract the data from that Application variable. (In theory, I'd like to be able to loop through the recordset in the Application variable just as I do through a recordset grabbed directly from a database -- you know, Do While Not objRs.EOF, blah, blah, blah...). Can this be done? If so, would someone explain how? BTW, this is with a small database table that rarely changes, so storing it as an Application variable rather than pulling the data from the database each time seems like a good idea. Are there serious objections to doing this? Thanks. James Aylard From nkoechley at liquidthinking.com Tue May 22 17:44:02 2001 From: nkoechley at liquidthinking.com (Nate Koechley) Date: Tue May 22 17:44:02 2001 Subject: [fwd] [thelist] Photos Message-ID: <000082744221651BUNSON@bunson.webservepro.com> --------------------------------------------- This message was held by thelist software and is being manually forwarded by a list admin. Please remember to send emails in plain-text format only, or they will not reach thelist until it is later forwarded by a list admin. --------------------------------------------- hey there, IMHO, the best/easiest way is to let photoshop (5.5+, i think) do it for you automatically. Open Photoshop, Click: File > Automate > Web Photo Gallery It will take a directory of .jpg's, (or any format, i think), and create the thumbnails, create and optimize the large format images, create all the html pages and the navigation. it's pretty good. plus, if you know your way around html and global-search-and-replace, you can easily customize the html it outputs...=20 cheers nate From sfmalo at msn.com Tue May 22 17:45:17 2001 From: sfmalo at msn.com (sfmalo) Date: Tue May 22 17:45:17 2001 Subject: [thelist] Re: other CSS2 question References: Message-ID: <03fb01c0e310$c32c0dc0$09241b3f@oemcomputer> Simon wrote: > 12pt is the font size, 18pt is the line-height or leading. It's just a > shorthand way to write it Simon, two questions. What would 18pt be considered? Normal (default) leading, less space, more space? Then, using this value could take care of the Netscape problem of "hiking up" a line especially when dealing with unordered lists? sharon --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sharon F. Malone "web design and Internet writing services" http://www.24caratdesign.com From mwarden at odyssey-design.com Tue May 22 17:51:17 2001 From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Tue May 22 17:51:17 2001 Subject: [thelist] ASP/ADO/SQL: Is it Possible to Store a Recordset in an Application Variable? References: <01e101c0e310$c6ca9140$2860398a@newcos.com> Message-ID: <03b101c0e311$d0c36770$7103020a@patk3mzsmhxpqb> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi James... From: "James Aylard" Subject: [thelist] ASP/ADO/SQL: Is it Possible to Store a Recordset in an Application Variable? > I have a question that is primarily ASP-oriented, but also > revolves around ADO and MS SQL: Is it possible to store a recordset > extracted from a SQL table as an Application variable? Actually, > I've done that, and on my ASP page I can determine that the > variable is a recordset using the VBScript TypeName function (the > result being "Recordset"). > But I can't figure out how to extract the data from that > Application variable. (In theory, I'd like to be able to loop > through the recordset in the Application variable just as I do > through a recordset grabbed directly from a database -- you know, > Do While Not objRs.EOF, blah, blah, blah...). Can this be done? If > so, would someone explain how? Try this: set objRecordset = Application("myrecordset") > BTW, this is with a small database table that rarely changes, > so storing it as an Application variable rather than pulling the > data from the database each time seems like a good idea. Are there > serious objections to doing this? > Thanks. Not to plug my own article or anything (becuase it could be a lot better ;-), but try looking at this: http://www.evolt.org/article/ASP_Application_level_HTML_Caching/17/621 /index.html Basically, what I would do (if you can) is create the display of the data in the recordset and store *that* in an application variable. Or, spit the recordset into something lighter like an array: a_myarray = objMyRecordset.GetRows() Application.Lock Application("MyArray") = a_myarray Application.Unlock Storing the recordset in the Application object is generally not a Good Thing(tm) and if you can avoid it, avoid it. ;-) - -- mattwarden mattwarden.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOwrtiXgH0dUmEhrcEQJe2ACgoDWIxBTmQ/8s3oneJy4GVqQDZzIAn0ij 4R7JjA2W+GOqGa/O8w+phJOH =Fbql -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From paola at limitless.co.uk Tue May 22 17:56:12 2001 From: paola at limitless.co.uk (Paola Kathuria) Date: Tue May 22 17:56:12 2001 Subject: [thelist] RFC Q References: <3B0AE0FC.779EDD52@gmx.net> Message-ID: <3B0AEF67.74C9FAEB@limitless.co.uk> Jakob D?lling wrote: > one quick question: in which RFC ist suggested, to put the "signature" > at the end of the mail and what's the title of that RFC? There's a couple of old FAQs about it (from when FAQs were approved). Signature, Finger, & Customized Headers FAQ http://www.faqs.org/faqs/signature_finger_faq/ FAQ on making and using a .signature file http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/signature-faq/ http://www.faqs.org/ is a great resource if you've not come across it before - it includes all Usenet FAQs, and all FYIs and RFCs. Paola -- Ceci n'est pas une cig ====* From ltu97mp at reading.ac.uk Tue May 22 18:01:53 2001 From: ltu97mp at reading.ac.uk (Matt Patterson) Date: Tue May 22 18:01:53 2001 Subject: [thelist] Re: other CSS2 question In-Reply-To: <03fb01c0e310$c32c0dc0$09241b3f@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20010522235904-r01010600-11768f4b@10.0.0.15> On 22/5/01 at 3:44 pm, sfmalo at msn.com (sfmalo) wrote: > Simon wrote: > > 12pt is the font size, 18pt is the line-height or leading. It's just a > > shorthand way to write it > > Simon, two questions. > > What would 18pt be considered? Normal (default) leading, less space, more > space? More space. In my experience normal = set solid (no extra space) > Then, using this value could take care of the Netscape problem of "hiking > up" a line especially when dealing with unordered lists? Which version of Netscape? and what do you mean by 'hiking up' Matt ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matt Patterson: Student Reading University Department of Typography & Graphic Communication ltu97mp at reading.ac.uk http://www.rdg.ac.uk/~ltu97mp/ 'Ho-HO!' said Christopher Robin loudly and suddenly. Piglet jumped six inches in the air with Surprise and Anxiety, but Pooh went on dreaming. From r937 at interlog.com Tue May 22 18:08:58 2001 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Tue May 22 18:08:58 2001 Subject: [thelist] RFC Q Message-ID: <01c0e314$2e7451c0$b848149a@rudy> >Sounds like RFC1855, "Netiquette guidelines". > hi filip hey, i recognize that domain -- that's the home of the koolefant!! check it out if you haven't seen it =o) as for email etiquette, here's an excellent reference that is often mentioned here on thelist -- How to Write Effective Mailing List Email http://www.digital-web.com/tutorials/tutorial_1999-12.shtml rudy.ca From r937 at interlog.com Tue May 22 18:09:03 2001 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Tue May 22 18:09:03 2001 Subject: [thelist] ASP/ADO/SQL: Is it Possible to Store a Recordset in an Application Variable? Message-ID: <01c0e314$376cc460$b848149a@rudy> > BTW, this is with a small database table that rarely changes, so > storing it as an Application variable rather than pulling the data from > the database each time seems like a good idea. Are there serious > objections to doing this? hi james depends on what you mean by "application" and "each time" dunno about asp, but in cold fusion you can set application variables that are available basically forever (i.e. until the cf server comes down) if "each time" means each request for a page, then yeah, using web server variables to keep database query results that don't change that often is a good idea you'll also need some way to scratch the variables whenever the database does change, so that they are automatically retrieved from the database on the first page request after the update rudy.ca From webmaster at equilon-mrc.com Tue May 22 18:13:38 2001 From: webmaster at equilon-mrc.com (James Aylard) Date: Tue May 22 18:13:38 2001 Subject: [thelist] ASP/ADO/SQL: Is it Possible to Store a Recordset in an Application Variable? References: <01e101c0e310$c6ca9140$2860398a@newcos.com> <03b101c0e311$d0c36770$7103020a@patk3mzsmhxpqb> Message-ID: <01f401c0e315$16f22440$2860398a@newcos.com> Matt, > Try this: > > set objRecordset = Application("myrecordset") That was my initial effort. But I get errors in my ASP page saying that the object is closed. BTW, I am deriving my recordset by using the Execute method of the Command object (partly because I am passing a parameter into my stored procedure). Of the various ways to extract a recordset via ADO, is there a better one that I should be using? > Not to plug my own article or anything (becuase it could be a lot > better ;-), but try looking at this: > > http://www.evolt.org/article/ASP_Application_level_HTML_Caching/17/621 > /index.html It's a good article. :) Although it only touches briefly, in the last paragraph, on caching database chunks in Application variables -- tantalizing, but not much detail on that point. > Basically, what I would do (if you can) is create the display of the > data in the recordset and store *that* in an application variable. > Or, spit the recordset into something lighter like an array: ... > Storing the recordset in the Application object is generally not a > Good Thing(tm) and if you can avoid it, avoid it. ;-) Would a disconnected recordset qualify? I certainly don't want to leave a database connection open, but a disconnected recordset would seem to avoid that. Thanks. James Aylard From webmaster at equilon-mrc.com Tue May 22 18:18:08 2001 From: webmaster at equilon-mrc.com (James Aylard) Date: Tue May 22 18:18:08 2001 Subject: [thelist] ASP/ADO/SQL: Is it Possible to Store a Recordset in an Application Variable? References: <01c0e314$376cc460$b848149a@rudy> Message-ID: <01fb01c0e315$b9770fa0$2860398a@newcos.com> Rudy, > dunno about asp, but in cold fusion you can set application variables that > are available basically forever (i.e. until the cf server comes down) > > if "each time" means each request for a page, then yeah, using web server > variables to keep database query results that don't change that often is a > good idea Yup, that's what I meant. Application variables in ASP are essentially the same as what you describe in CF. > you'll also need some way to scratch the variables whenever the database > does change, so that they are automatically retrieved from the database on > the first page request after the update I figured that I would set up ASP code to update the Application variable from the database when the user modified the underlying table. But that's a challenge for another day. :) James Aylard From lists at icongarden.com Tue May 22 18:26:48 2001 From: lists at icongarden.com (Jacob Stetser) Date: Tue May 22 18:26:48 2001 Subject: [thelist] DHTML In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: REAL Short Answer: A recruiter wrote the job description ;) > >Short Answer- >They want you to know how to do it from scratch. > Unless you don't want to spend tons of time scratching your head about who changed what and where, implement version control. CVS is a great tool if you have access to it, Visual Sourcesafe ain't that bad either (for MS ;), and even BBedit has a GREAT "Compare differences" function that'll do in a pinch. -- Jacob Stetser :: jms at icongarden.com Internet Experience Consultant icongarden.com: Making good ideas grow! From r937 at interlog.com Tue May 22 18:28:33 2001 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Tue May 22 18:28:33 2001 Subject: [thelist] RFC Q Message-ID: <01c0e316$c816d8a0$b848149a@rudy> >Ceci n'est pas une cig hi paola brilliant!! a triple pun!! ren? magritte would be proud of you well, i guess that was sufficiently off-topic to require a tip... here's how to do a "smart" nav bar using SSI at the top of each page, set a variable called "thisis" then create an include file for the nav bar as follows Home Home Products Products FAQ FAQ Contact Contact then just copy the nav bar include file into every page note that the include file has to get processed by SSI on the Home page, Home is text, not a link, and so on... rudy.ca From hassan at webtuitive.com Tue May 22 18:33:23 2001 From: hassan at webtuitive.com (Hassan Schroeder) Date: Tue May 22 18:33:23 2001 Subject: [thelist] Auto-responders? References: <016301c0e2c9$7ca3fe40$7fa0b3c7@iibiz> <3B0A7998.EDEFBC9F@webtuitive.com> <01f101c0e2d6$f4b8bbc0$7fa0b3c7@iibiz> Message-ID: <3B0AF6D2.1BA1D453@webtuitive.com> sales at iibiz.com wrote: > Here's the code from the top of the form: > > > What would I need to do? The name of this program (and the form fields) imply that this Perl program should be sending mail; if it's not, what *is* it doing? Is it something you can post the source to? -- H* Hassan Schroeder ----------------------------- hassan at webtuitive.com Webtuitive Design ---(+1) 408-938-0567 --- http://www.webtuitive.com -- creating dynamic Web sites and applications since 1994 -- From sgd at ti3.com Tue May 22 18:34:33 2001 From: sgd at ti3.com (Scott Dexter) Date: Tue May 22 18:34:33 2001 Subject: [thelist] ASP/ADO/SQL: Is it Possible to Store a Recordset in an Application Variable? Message-ID: <8C8B8745C0FE7A43BFA6CABAB3211172492D7B@gate.ti3.com> AFAIK, ADO Recordsets aren't thread happy, so don't do it. A disconnected recordset may be okay, but I've not played with it. You could do a couple things to work around it, 1) use GetRows() and store it as a two dimensional array, or 2) store it as XML (ADO 2.5 provides easy in-out) ... I strongly suggest staying away from the recordset at the Application level. --Same thing as using it at the Session level: you render your IIS server to one thread.... sgd > Basically, what I would do (if you can) is create the display of the > data in the recordset and store *that* in an application variable. > Or, spit the recordset into something lighter like an array: ... > Storing the recordset in the Application object is generally not a > Good Thing(tm) and if you can avoid it, avoid it. ;-) From web at master.gen.in.us Tue May 22 18:48:13 2001 From: web at master.gen.in.us (deke ) Date: Tue May 22 18:48:13 2001 Subject: [thelist] statistics on browser usage In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010522180636.009ef290@pop.mindspring.com> Message-ID: <3B0AC3B6.446.1147B813@localhost> On 22 May 2001, at 18:12, meta.chris posted a message which said: > are there any good statistics on which browsers are being used? i know it's > a given that IE is the most common, but which version (4.*, 5.*)? how > about netscape (4.*,etc.)? sorry if this question has been posted many > times before. Yes, it's been asked many times before, but when I took college physics in 1970, they pointed out that while they never change the tests, the answers change from year to year. And day to day. Here's the results for yesterday at my busiest site. It's optimized for Mozilla/2, and browsers like Lynx and MSIE/2 don't like tables, so it's somewhat skewed in that regard. Traffic is mostly adult, 18-60, and probably 70% female. And I have *no* idea why I am over-run with WebTV users recently. They historically have only run about 4-5%. Maybe it's a matter of WebTV users passing links to each other? 0.14% MSIE/3.x 6.88% MSIE/4.x 64.13% MSIE/5.x 0.66% MSIE/6.x 0.93% Netscape/3.x 14.50% Netscape/4.x 0.95% Netscape/6.x 10.64% WebTV 1.21% Other deke ------------------------ "The church is near but the road is icy; the bar is far away but I will walk carefully." -- Russian Proverb From paul_dewey at hotmail.com Tue May 22 18:48:23 2001 From: paul_dewey at hotmail.com (Paul Dewey) Date: Tue May 22 18:48:23 2001 Subject: OT:Re: [thelist] DHTML Message-ID: >From: Jacob Stetser >Subject: Re: [thelist] DHTML >Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 19:26:59 -0400 > >REAL Short Answer: >A recruiter wrote the job description ;) >> >>Short Answer- >>They want you to know how to do it from scratch. >> Is that saying I am a recruiter? If so I take it as an insult and a compliment, I think. I am not a recruiter, but a web developer. But if there are recruiters out there I am always looking for a side job in the Portland, Oregon area! Paul Seven Techniques for Better, Faster Development Orginally author was Richard M. Marshall 1. Understand your users and their needs. 2. Understand your whole code base. 3. Work well with others 4. Know whom to ask. 5. Inspect your code. 6. Test and fix as you go. 7. Know your tools. Whole article is located on http://www/devx.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From web at master.gen.in.us Tue May 22 18:58:13 2001 From: web at master.gen.in.us (deke ) Date: Tue May 22 18:58:13 2001 Subject: [thelist] RFC Q In-Reply-To: <3B0AE0FC.779EDD52@gmx.net> Message-ID: <3B0AC60C.4041.1150D6FF@localhost> On 22 May 2001, at 23:58, Jakob D?lling posted a message which said: > one quick question: in which RFC ist suggested, to put the "signature" > at the end of the mail and what's the title of that RFC? RFC 1855, "Netiquette guidelines" specifies a signature of up to four lines, 65 characters each, for email. For USENET, it refers to a having a signature, but does not specify a size limit. I think the idea is that you likely have an ongoing relationship with an email correspondent, and less of a sign is needed, while USENET posts have to stand on their own. Others seem to think that it was an omission. I don't believe that. If I don't make errors, why should I imagine that S. Hambridge of the Intel corporation would make errors? Especially if they don't involve floating-point arithmetic? deke While lists are exceptionally good for getting opinions and advice, you often can get factual information much more quickly simply by googling for it. ------------------------ "The church is near but the road is icy; the bar is far away but I will walk carefully." -- Russian Proverb From headlemur at qwest.net Tue May 22 19:53:39 2001 From: headlemur at qwest.net (the head lemur) Date: Tue May 22 19:53:39 2001 Subject: [thelist] Food for Thought Message-ID: <031401c0e322$ac5022a0$0b646464@qwest.net> An Interesting article on eyetrack research. Eyetrack Research The results of the Poynter-Stanford Project are in. http://www.poynter.org/eyetrack2000/index.htm From jnabring at yahoo.com Tue May 22 22:48:54 2001 From: jnabring at yahoo.com (Janet Nabring-Stager) Date: Tue May 22 22:48:54 2001 Subject: [thelist] [fwd] Re:The Mail Editor in the ASP PAGES In-Reply-To: <001e45639201651BUNSON@bunson.webservepro.com> Message-ID: <20010523034916.21344.qmail@web1103.mail.yahoo.com> Not certain if this is ActiveX, but the CDONTS object should work for you... http://www.4guysfromrolla.com/webtech/022700-1.2.shtml If that's not an option, this article discusses a few more options: http://www.4guysfromrolla.com/aspfaqs/ShowFAQ.asp?FAQID=14 On another note, but the same topic, does anyone have experience using CDONTS? I finally successfully used it today, after much of the 'banging my head against the proverbial wall' action. My problem was that the FROM field of the object HAD to contain an e-mail address in order for it to process from the NT server to my e-mail account. This was on an intranet and the e-mail had just a text field in the FROM field and kept not going to my e-mail account, until I put an e-mail address in the field. Is this a CDONTS requirement, or something that the web server requires? TIA- --- Jai Singh Tanwar wrote: > Does any one know about some good Com component > which can Add the MailEditor/MailEditing Facilites to the > Asp pages.Preferably it Should not bethe activeX . ===== Janet Nabring-Stager http://www10.ewebcity.com/jnabring __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From roselli at earthlink.net Tue May 22 23:01:34 2001 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Tue May 22 23:01:34 2001 Subject: [thelist] [fwd] Re:The Mail Editor in the ASP PAGES In-Reply-To: <20010523034916.21344.qmail@web1103.mail.yahoo.com> References: <001e45639201651BUNSON@bunson.webservepro.com> Message-ID: <3B0AFCBB.14591.3DBEB056@localhost> > From: Janet Nabring-Stager [...] > On another note, but the same topic, does anyone have experience > using CDONTS? I finally successfully used it today, after much of the > 'banging my head against the proverbial wall' action. My problem was > that the FROM field of the object HAD to contain an e-mail address in > order for it to process from the NT server to my e-mail account. This > was on an intranet and the e-mail had just a text field in the FROM > field and kept not going to my e-mail account, until I put an e-mail > address in the field. Is this a CDONTS requirement, or something that > the web server requires? TIA- i believe CDONTS requires a full email address -- @ and all... however, ASPMail and ASPQMail exist on most ISPs that do NT hosting, and it's relatively cheap to use in-house as well... but even if you don't get it, CDONTS will usually do quite well on the basic email script... just don't count on it to be robust or fool-proof... From roselli at earthlink.net Tue May 22 23:09:39 2001 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Tue May 22 23:09:39 2001 Subject: Windows-Installation (was Re: [thelist] Playing with MIME type (was: Downloading .jpg & .pdf files)) In-Reply-To: <3B0AC0C7.BD2BAF7E@gmx.net> Message-ID: <3B0AFEA1.15853.3DC61B3E@localhost> > From: Jakob D?lling [...] > BTW: WebTV is IE5 as WebTV.net > is a daughter company of Mc$oft- I did looked it up in my > personal server logs. Opera seems also to make use of the IE engine. erm, methinks you're confused on this one... WebTV is a different animal than IE... *completely* different... the core browser was written before MS bought them out... as such, you can go to WebTV's developer section (http://developer.webtv.net/) and read up on it... after all, there's no way WebTV could run the IE5.x bloatware engine... and Opera does not make use of the IE engine, either... otherwise their claim to being the "fastest browser on earth" would seem a bit suspect... if you are relying on server logs to tell you the browser, it's not always accurate, since browsers like Opera can fake their User Agent string... also, you'll note a lot of browsers have the word 'mozilla' in them, which just means that years ago they masqueraded as Navigator for a while, and kept in there thanks to all the archaic scripts that check on the User Agent (there are other reasons, but that's too long of a discussion)... From roselli at earthlink.net Tue May 22 23:17:59 2001 From: roselli at earthlink.net (aardvark) Date: Tue May 22 23:17:59 2001 Subject: [thelist] Photos In-Reply-To: References: <000201c0e300$698b0ec0$6c91883e@y3s2e7> Message-ID: <3B0B0093.1406.3DCDB2D6@localhost> somebody else already suggested the Photoshop web photo gallery... the layout and HTML leave a lot to be desired, but 15 minutes with a good text editor and some nice s-n-r/regex, and you've got yerself a nice gallery, with that hardest parts done... > From: "Ron White" > > How about the simplest? You have N photos, load them all into a > directory and then Photo1 has links to photo2 and > photoN, 2 has 3 and 1 photoN which has photo1 and photoN-1 i was gonna suggest this as well... the advantage is, you can use a for loop to have it decrement/increment the current number for the previous/next buttons, while the current number displays that image... no need for a db and all that hassle, just seems like over- engineering to me... just have your logic in your loop to start over at 1 once you get to the end (for incrementing/decrementing)... what server-side languages you got available? From isaac at members.evolt.org Tue May 22 23:45:39 2001 From: isaac at members.evolt.org (Isaac Forman) Date: Tue May 22 23:45:39 2001 Subject: [thelist] CF (SQL?): query.columnlist In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010518153346.0256eec0@alphashop.com> Message-ID: judah, funnily enough, i'm working on something very similar to automate building forms and writing to the db. the way i'm doing it is using a table (FIELD) to define what elements each item will require. FIELD id typeid (foreign key) name (name of field in db) form (which form element to use: text, date (day/month/year dropdowns), richtext, smalltextarea, largetextarea) datatype (date, memo, integer, text) title (appears above the form element in the edit template) info (appears in small text below form element - used to pass warning/alert msgs) maxlength (defines maxlength for text inputs) validate (not being used currently, but defines the validation method to use) there is probably one intermediate step on top of your method, but i imagine the advantage would be the ability to specify validation methods (ie, validate a text string as a phone number or email address), maxlength, title and info. so far, it appears to be working fairly well. i can add a table to the database, define the fields in the FIELD table, and all of the displaying, editing, updating, adding, etc are all taken care of. much less hassle than the way i was doing everything originally. for example, if i have a TYPE of "User", they might have various fields - firstname, lastname, email, password, phone, mobile, info, etc. for each of those fields, there is an entry in the FIELD table with typeid equal to that of the user type. currently, the form elements are output in the order the fields are added to the db, but it would be very easy to add another ranking/sequence column that would allow you to specify the ordering. isaac From sfmalo at msn.com Tue May 22 23:55:14 2001 From: sfmalo at msn.com (sfmalo) Date: Tue May 22 23:55:14 2001 Subject: [thelist] Re: other CSS2 question References: <20010522235904-r01010600-11768f4b@10.0.0.15> Message-ID: <00d501c0e344$74d87d00$a5ed0a3f@oemcomputer> Matt wrote: > > Then, using this value could take care of the Netscape problem of "hiking > > up" a line especially when dealing with unordered lists? > > Which version of Netscape? and what do you mean by 'hiking up' NN4.7. After the last
  • in an unordered list, I.E. displays correct spacing between the
  • and the beginning of the next line of text. In NN4.7 the next line of text "hikes up" or squeezes up so there is less space displayed. So would setting a specific line-height in CSS take care of that problem? --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sharon F. Malone "web design and Internet writing services" http://www.24caratdesign.com From framar at interlog.com Wed May 23 02:16:00 2001 From: framar at interlog.com (Frank) Date: Wed May 23 02:16:00 2001 Subject: [thelist] Shell Script Basics? Message-ID: Question for those who are experienced shell script writers: What would you recommend as the top three URL's to go to to learn shell script basics? At the moment, I'm running a Linux box, I want to make a copy of all my accounts httpdocs folders, and tell mysql to create a dump for each account's DB's in the account backup folder. At first, I don't mind if I have to edit the file when adding or deleting accounts, but it seems to be a pain in the butt to have to edit the file every time I want to run it. I would like to create a new directory with the date and time, then move all the accounts and dumps into it. I can then create an AppleScript to download them to my Mac and burn CD's. Suggestions? Thanks! -- Where there's a will, there's a way. Frank Marion Loofah Communications frank at loofahcom.com http://www.loofahcom.com From evolt at befrance.com Wed May 23 04:15:25 2001 From: evolt at befrance.com (skamp) Date: Wed May 23 04:15:25 2001 Subject: [thelist] DHTML References: <20010522213506.5856.qmail@web207.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003c01c0e368$d182fb60$3601a8c0@tatooine> ----- Original Message ----- From: "kalyani deshpande" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 11:35 PM Subject: [thelist] DHTML > Hi Folks, > > I'm a budding web designer/developer and in the > process of learning DHTML and wanted to know whether > designers/developers actually *create* dhtml code from > scratch or whether they get it off of websites. I write it from scratch, since it's just about interactions between Javascript, HTML and the DOM... Once you know those three, you know DHTML :) Guillaume Cocatre-Zilgien Web Developer skamp at befrance.com UIN #77738266 From evolt at befrance.com Wed May 23 04:22:50 2001 From: evolt at befrance.com (skamp) Date: Wed May 23 04:22:50 2001 Subject: [thelist] [OT] Internet Experience Consultant (was : DHTML) References: Message-ID: <004a01c0e369$db0ce320$3601a8c0@tatooine> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacob Stetser" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 1:26 AM Subject: Re: [thelist] DHTML > -- > Jacob Stetser :: jms at icongarden.com > Internet Experience Consultant What is an Internet Experience Consultant ??? Use stylesheets on with caution. They will look very nice on MSIE, but less on Opera, and won't even work on Netscape, especially if you added the attributes border, background-color. A
  • bgcolor="#F9F3F7" border="2" style="background-color:#F9F3F7; border:2px ridge #93f7ff;" cellpadding="8" cellspacing="0"> rudy From frank at loofahcom.com Thu May 24 12:54:20 2001 From: frank at loofahcom.com (Frank) Date: Thu May 24 12:54:20 2001 Subject: [thelist] CFMail Failure on Linux. Quick Help? Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010524134853.009e2490@mail> Hey all, sorry to bug you about this, but I'm in a bit of a time sensitive bind. I've discovered that none of the my apps using cfmail send mail successfully on my Linux box, using qMail as a server. I don't really have a choices as to which mail server to use. The apps work well on an NT box using whatever mail services would be standard. Can someone suggest how I can work around this issue? Here are the details: cfmail fails to communicate correctly with my mail server. I'm using CF4.5sp2 on RH Linux 6.2 and qMail. The cfserver does indeed make contact with the mail server, but it (apparently) fails to send the message in a legal manner, it terminates the message with lf.lf instead of cr.lf. Here is the error message from my logs. "Error","TID=3075","05/23/01","15:37:59", "Failed to send the spooled mail file, /usr/local/coldfusion/mail/spool/fileMStCrN.cfmail. SMTP server replied "See http://pobox.com/~djb/docs/smtplf.html." Moved file to /usr/local/coldfusion/mail/undelivr/filetnllNZ.cfmail Following the URL in the error message leads me to a page with the following explanation, distilled here, for brevity: --- Error: Bare Line Feeds Every line in an Internet mail message is required to end with CR LF. The entire message ends with CR LF dot CR LF. 822bis specifically prohibits other uses of LF. [...] ...incorrectly ending lines with LF and, in most cases, ending the entire message with LF dot LF. That's not CR LF dot CR LF, so a server such as msn.com will sit there waiting for the rest of the message. After a while it'll give up and drop the connection. Your mail doesn't get through. --- Heres what I've done to check things out: I know that qMail functions correctly, having sent and recieved email from it using external agents. According to the knowledge base article http://allaire.com/Handlers/index.cfm?ID=11335&Method=Full I've done the following: 1) In the admin section, I've ensured that the connection to my mail server verifies correctly. 2) I'm sending only one single email, thus, it's not over the limit. 3) I have full privs 4) I've sucessfully sent and recieved email using another client. 5) I'm using the correct IP, and it pings. This is the case with all my applications on the Linux box. I'm at a loss as to what my next step may be. Suggestions? Thanks. From fowlerpeople at yahoo.com Thu May 24 13:01:51 2001 From: fowlerpeople at yahoo.com (Terry Fowler) Date: Thu May 24 13:01:51 2001 Subject: [thelist] Browser innerWidth for IE4/5/6? In-Reply-To: <004d01c0e403$c1601bf0$6e03150a@bruceh> Message-ID: <20010524180220.43033.qmail@web9607.mail.yahoo.com> --- Bruce Heerssen wrote: > Google is great for this sort of thing: heh, yeah, I know. That's why I went there first. Unfortunately I just typed in "dhtml". > http://www.google.com/search?q=site:evolt%2Eorg+innerwidth > > Which points you at this very fine evolt article: > Real-World Browser Size Stats, Part I (aardvark) > http://www.evolt.org/article/Real_World_Browser_Size_Stats_Part_I/17/2295/in > dex.html > > This article covers the subject in some depth - > happy reading. Great looking article. Looks like I have my Memorial Day planned. Well, except for going to see "Pearl Harbor." I keep forgetting that evolt is more than a list! Thanks loads, Bruce Terry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From fowlerpeople at yahoo.com Thu May 24 13:08:10 2001 From: fowlerpeople at yahoo.com (Terry Fowler) Date: Thu May 24 13:08:10 2001 Subject: [thelist] Browser innerWidth for IE4/5/6? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010524180840.95621.qmail@web9605.mail.yahoo.com> --- Peter-Paul Koch wrote: > > IE needs document.body.clientWidth. In the spirit of "Give a man a fish, feed him for a day, teach a man to fish and he'll never show up for work," how did you know it was clientWidth? Where should I have looked? >Your current browser detect is incorrect, it leaves >out Netscape 6 and the minor browsers. heh, it's Dan Steinman's detect and is probably a few years out of date. No mention of IE5 in the tutorial. The copyright is 1998, so I don't think he's updating it. But it's still great for the basics. > Besides, detecting the browser is not necessary here: > > >function init() { > > if (self.innerWidth) redLight = self.innerWidth > else if (document.body) redLight = > document.body.clientWidth > Just tried this and it works like a charm. Thanks! Terry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From cache at dowebs.com Thu May 24 13:11:15 2001 From: cache at dowebs.com (Keith Davis) Date: Thu May 24 13:11:15 2001 Subject: [thelist] bust out of the frames References: <85256A55.0064BD1F.00@corpsmtpout.beaerospace.com> <3B0C294B.3D6BDC21@limitless.co.uk> <3B0D189B.BF7B2D3F@dowebs.com> <3B0D24B3.3A46E9B@limitless.co.uk> Message-ID: <3B0D4F65.51DAF5C3@dowebs.com> Paola Kathuria wrote: > Which navigation are you referring to? The right-hand tour index The RIGHT hand tour index?? OK! That explains it! And using frames does make sense on second viewing. Uhhh, guess it's pretty easy to figure out how little time I spent there.... ooppss keith From blastronaut at excite.com Thu May 24 13:11:55 2001 From: blastronaut at excite.com (Michael McGlynn) Date: Thu May 24 13:11:55 2001 Subject: [thelist] Windows App GUI Tool Message-ID: <31003619.990727939607.JavaMail.imail@hippie.excite.com> good questions, answers follow -- >>Question #1 -- How are you writing ASP code with Illustrator, PhotoShop and DHTML??<< We are currently coding .JSPs - as much of the DHTML as possible is re-used, e.g. for styles and form behaviors, but XML/XSL is delivered client side, and I don't touch that. Yes, we are IE5.5 only. >>Question #2 -- What are you using to write your DHTML right now? SimpleText? HomeSite? DreamWeaver?<< Homesite. The problem is a hell of a lot of static html gets written that is not used in the final product. I am looking for a tool who's result is interactive, but may not generate code. At one point I was generating multipage .PDFs with hyperlinks, but that doesn't provide enough "ffel" is ia very time consiming. Our GUI is highly customized and heavily leveraged on MSIE technology (not always a good thing). MY Bad - when I said transitioning to Windows, I mean that instead of browser delivered app, we will be delivering an installable .EXE. How do people that write Windows apps prototype UI? ?????????????????? michael mcglynn interface designer ?????????????????? _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ From jeff at members.evolt.org Thu May 24 13:20:40 2001 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (jeff) Date: Thu May 24 13:20:40 2001 Subject: [thelist] Browser innerWidth for IE4/5/6? In-Reply-To: <20010524180840.95621.qmail@web9605.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: terry, :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : From: Terry Fowler : : > IE needs document.body.clientWidth. : : In the spirit of "Give a man a fish, feed : him for a day, teach a man to fish and he'll : never show up for work," how did you know it : was clientWidth? Where should I have looked? :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ for ie related things, *always* check msdn first: http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/c-frame.htm?/workshop/author/ everything you probably ever wanted to know is under "dhtml reference" in the left hand navigation. good luck, .jeff name://jeff.howden game://web.development http://www.evolt.org/ mailto:jeff at members.evolt.org From kjs at ratking.co.uk Thu May 24 13:29:41 2001 From: kjs at ratking.co.uk (Kevin Stevens) Date: Thu May 24 13:29:41 2001 Subject: [thelist] [OT] Libel Message-ID: <000c01c0e480$1290cc00$6400a8c0@kjs> As I said earlier in the week, I've been away for a while so I don't know if anyone has seen this, but it might be of interest to some of you (I had a brief look in the archives and could find nothing about it). I subscribe to the NTK newsletter and found this in my in-box when I returned. Apologies if this is a wind up, and because I feel this is [OT] I have included a tip, which is, I think (by my standards anyway), quite a good one :) There is, you should know, a statute of limitations on libel: in a nutshell, if it takes over a year for the alleged defamee to get around to suing you, then - well, it can't have been very important, can it? It's one of the precious few cast-iron defences you can have in British libel cases, and one you'd expect to be even more important in the ethereal ghoulie-ghosty world of the Net. Not so: last week, Justice Gray announced that The Times, who are supposed to have defamed Grigori Loutchansky in 1998, are repeatedly re-publishing the same article anew whenever anyone visits it on their Website, and thus can be sued until they be deade. And now you too can be sued forever over your archived Web content - unless you take it down the day it goes up. Much has been said recently on the List about using Style Sheets for text, but did you know it can also be used for images? Rather than use complex tables to position images and text you can set margins for the images using CSS. For example, if you want a picture on the left hand side of the page put this in your Style Sheet... img.lhand {margin-left: 0em; margin-right: 1em; margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em;} and then add class="lhand" in your image tags. This means that the picture will stay flush with the left hand side of the page while the text flows neatly around it. Kev kjs at ratking.co.uk From mrogers at ocis.net Thu May 24 13:34:11 2001 From: mrogers at ocis.net (Mark Rogers) Date: Thu May 24 13:34:11 2001 Subject: [thelist] dreamweaver text input Message-ID: Here's what I'd like to do: 1. Copy text, which has two returns between each paragraph, from a word processor (AppleWorks) and paste it into a Dreamweaver template. 2. Quickly format the text in Dreamweaver so that each *paragraph* is surrounded by

    and

    tags. Is this possible? Mark Rogers From web at master.gen.in.us Thu May 24 13:35:46 2001 From: web at master.gen.in.us (deke ) Date: Thu May 24 13:35:46 2001 Subject: [thelist] good practice META tags? In-Reply-To: <3B0D1E29.A401142B@dowebs.com> Message-ID: <3B0D1D83.17283.91C8D03@localhost> On 24 May 2001, at 8:43, Keith Davis posted a message which said: > > > > > That's not a legal use of pragma. Pragma is for headers sent > > *to* the server *by* the client, not from the server to the client. > What browsers does the pragma meta tag NOT work in? I don't know. You have to be concerned about firewalls, though, not just browsers, and I don't begin to have access to all of them. > And if "Pragma is for headers sent *to* the server *by* the client, not > from the server to the client" is true, then why does sending > print "Pragma: no-cache\n"; from a server keep the page out of the cache? I'm not sure it *always* does. HTTP 1.0 specifies "pragma" as a header to be sent by clients when requesting a fresh copy of a page, not by servers. Can you name *any* circumstance in which the illegal "pragma" header works and these headers don't? ------------------------ "The church is near but the road is icy; the bar is far away but I will walk carefully." -- Russian Proverb From mike at tokenzone.com Thu May 24 13:41:46 2001 From: mike at tokenzone.com (Michael Stevens) Date: Thu May 24 13:41:46 2001 Subject: [thelist] dreamweaver text input In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In Dreamweaver 4 on a PC it does that automatically (from MS Word anyway). I don't know about previous versions of Dreamweaver and other word processors though. -----Original Message----- From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Mark Rogers Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 2:34 PM To: evolt.org list Subject: [thelist] dreamweaver text input Here's what I'd like to do: 1. Copy text, which has two returns between each paragraph, from a word processor (AppleWorks) and paste it into a Dreamweaver template. 2. Quickly format the text in Dreamweaver so that each *paragraph* is surrounded by

    and

    tags. Is this possible? Mark Rogers --------------------------------------- For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From noah at tookish.net Thu May 24 13:45:51 2001 From: noah at tookish.net (noah) Date: Thu May 24 13:45:51 2001 Subject: [thelist] unauthorized mirror Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010524143816.00a1e7e0@tookish.net> Hi, I just happened to come across what appears to be a mirror of my site. I have no idea where it came from, but my site is fairly recent (< 1 month), so it must be fairly new. My site is http://tookish.net/ The mirror is http://www.ate-reisen.de/ Does anyone have any idea what's going on? Am I being scammed, or is there a security risk involved? (as far as I can tell, it can't do any damage - the only thing that isn't static is the contact form, and it doesn't work from the mirror, and doesn't appear to attempt to access my formmail script). I tried a whois, but my German being limited to historical pastry-related blunders, I didn't get very far. Should I be concerned, or is this just free advertising? Thanks, Noah From seth at sethbienek.com Thu May 24 13:56:01 2001 From: seth at sethbienek.com (Seth Bienek) Date: Thu May 24 13:56:01 2001 Subject: [thelist] unauthorized mirror In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010524143816.00a1e7e0@tookish.net> Message-ID: > Does anyone have any idea what's going on? Hey Noah, That's weird. Their DNS is pointing to your site, so it's not actually a mirror, it is your live site. No harm that I can see, I'd submit the extra domain name to the search engines.. :) Regards, Seth ------------------------------ Seth Bienek Solutions Development Manager Stonebridge Technologies, Inc. 972.455.7294 tel 972.404.9754 fax ICQ #7673959 ------------------------------ From comitque at hotmail.com Thu May 24 14:08:26 2001 From: comitque at hotmail.com (Andrew Martin) Date: Thu May 24 14:08:26 2001 Subject: [thelist] css formatting References: <20010524155228.0B060C05@relay.evolt.org> Message-ID: I've got a bunch of divs that I'm positioning absolutely (or is that absolutely positioning). Same old story...works fine in IE6 and Netscape 6 but Netscape4.7 seems to have a problem with the width property. It works fine if there's content in the div that takes up the entire width of the div but not when it's smaller than the width of the div. I want the #quote and #sidepic to be exactly the same width... Here's the CSS, any ideas?: #content {position:absolute;top:80px;left:158px;width:600px;background:#384651;paddin g:5px;border-left:1px solid black;} #sidenav {position:absolute;top:200px;left:20px;width:137px;} #quote {position:absolute;top:80px;left:20px;width:137px;height:150px;} #sidepic {position:absolute;top:350px;left:20px;width:137px;height:188px;} .quote {font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;background:#000000;padding:3px;color:#FAFAD2;layer -background-color:#000000;} .sidenav {font-size:12px;color:#000000;background:#FAFAD2;padding:2px;layer-backgroun d-color:#FAFAD2;} here's the page (the quote is the top black and the sidenav is directly below it): http://www.prispop.com/prisdiv.asp From bradclark1 at msn.com Thu May 24 15:00:21 2001 From: bradclark1 at msn.com (bradclark1) Date: Thu May 24 15:00:21 2001 Subject: [thelist] Windows App GUI Tool References: <31003619.990727939607.JavaMail.imail@hippie.excite.com> Message-ID: <003001c0e4a4$fffe4fc0$9657fea9@compaq> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael McGlynn" > MY Bad - when I said transitioning to Windows, I mean that instead of > browser delivered app, we will be delivering an installable .EXE. How do > people that write Windows apps prototype UI? > There is Tcl/Tk, Python and WxWindows or even Delphi that give a lot for minimal key pushing. brad From sgd at ti3.com Thu May 24 15:04:54 2001 From: sgd at ti3.com (Scott Dexter) Date: Thu May 24 15:04:54 2001 Subject: [thelist] Windows App GUI Tool Message-ID: <8C8B8745C0FE7A43BFA6CABAB3211172492DE8@gate.ti3.com> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael McGlynn" > > MY Bad - when I said transitioning to Windows, I mean that > instead of > > browser delivered app, we will be delivering an installable > .EXE. How do > > people that write Windows apps prototype UI? > > My initial question is, what development environment? VB? VC++? PowerBuilder? Flash? --each development environment provides its own GUI design tool. Do you know what the app is going to be developed on/in? (my gut feeling is that you're going to be disappointed) sgd From john_meyer at geocities.com Thu May 24 15:07:02 2001 From: john_meyer at geocities.com (John Meyer) Date: Thu May 24 15:07:02 2001 Subject: [thelist] [OT] Libel In-Reply-To: <000c01c0e480$1290cc00$6400a8c0@kjs> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010524140434.00a58f70@pop.mail.yahoo.com> Actually, this is one of the things that makes me proud to be an American *JK*. Actually, there was a case just like this in New York involving the Attorney General's web site. The case went exactly the other way of this one, with the judge ruling that the same year rule applies whether or not it's online or offline. I'll try to look up the case. At 12:47 PM 5/24/2001 +0100, you wrote: >As I said earlier in the week, I've been away for a while so I don't know if >anyone has seen this, but it might be of interest to some of you (I had a >brief look in the archives and could find nothing about it). I subscribe to >the NTK newsletter and found this in my in-box when I returned. Apologies if >this is a wind up, and because I feel this is [OT] I have included a tip, >which is, I think (by my standards anyway), quite a good one :) > > > > There is, you should know, a statute of limitations on > libel: in a nutshell, if it takes over a year for the > alleged defamee to get around to suing you, then - well, it > can't have been very important, can it? It's one of the > precious few cast-iron defences you can have in British > libel cases, and one you'd expect to be even more important > in the ethereal ghoulie-ghosty world of the Net. Not so: > last week, Justice Gray announced that The Times, who are > supposed to have defamed Grigori Loutchansky in 1998, are > repeatedly re-publishing the same article anew whenever > anyone visits it on their Website, and thus can be sued > until they be deade. And now you too can be sued forever > over your archived Web content - unless you take it down the > day it goes up. > > > >Much has been said recently on the List about using Style Sheets for text, >but did you know it can also be used for images? Rather than use complex >tables to position images and text you can set margins for the images using >CSS. For example, if you want a picture on the left hand side of the page >put this in your Style Sheet... > >img.lhand {margin-left: 0em; margin-right: 1em; margin-top: 1em; >margin-bottom: 1em;} > >and then add class="lhand" in your image tags. This means that the picture >will stay flush with the left hand side of the page while the text flows >neatly around it. > > > >Kev >kjs at ratking.co.uk > > > > >--------------------------------------- >For unsubscribe and other options, including >the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: >http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From fowlerpeople at yahoo.com Thu May 24 15:30:24 2001 From: fowlerpeople at yahoo.com (Terry Fowler) Date: Thu May 24 15:30:24 2001 Subject: [thelist] Browser innerWidth for IE4/5/6? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010524203051.34832.qmail@web9604.mail.yahoo.com> --- jeff wrote: > terry, > > :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > : From: Terry Fowler > : >> IE needs document.body.clientWidth. > > for ie related things, *always* check msdn first: > > http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/c-frame.htm?/workshop/author/ > Hmm, I got this URL from google: http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/author/default.asp I spent some time there but never got the left hand navigation that your URL has. Reckon I'll just bookmark that puppy and go back frequently! Thanks jeff, Terry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From gozz at gozz.com Thu May 24 15:32:42 2001 From: gozz at gozz.com (Erik Mattheis) Date: Thu May 24 15:32:42 2001 Subject: [thelist] unauthorized mirror In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > > Does anyone have any idea what's going on? > >Hey Noah, > >That's weird. Their DNS is pointing to your site, so it's not >actually a mirror I had the same thing happen to a site I did at one time, except I was on the other end ... the domain and account had been cancelled for a year ... one day I got the following email: >I am the webmaster of www.[___].org. Why are you running our >code / site at www.[___].com? You have my interest but not >our permission to steal our code. So, before I take this any >further, I thought I would give you an opportunity to reply. Getting the DNS updated might be a tricky thing to do since the DNS service seems to be a free service, and you get what you pay for ... but good luck! -- - Erik Mattheis "For best results, pronounce muh THEIGH ess." (612) 827 3963 From nick.myers at net.ntl.com Thu May 24 15:45:32 2001 From: nick.myers at net.ntl.com (Nick Myers) Date: Thu May 24 15:45:32 2001 Subject: [thelist] Web based applications Message-ID: <000b01c0e492$c69e5fc0$0100a8c0@minotaur> Wonder if I could ask you guys to delve into your wealth of varied experience? My company is about to task me with building web based applications (using nice NS&IE 4.x compliant code - np) that will display lots of analysis data/graphs and location maps all within a confined environment. Now they already have a desktop application that does this, but they want a web version that they can sell subscriptions to. My question is this: do you guys have any examples of web based applications, such as finance, weather, sports results etc. that's might involve any of the following: - A map with points drawn on it, where a user mouses over a given point, and a pop-up (attached to the cursor) appears with some live data in it. - A map with transparent overlays that can be switched on/off showing various transparencies. - Same as above, but with animation controls to animate (step) through individually rendered graphics [JPEGS] (without having to use a server-side program to render all the images into one animation). - A clickable location map, where a list of available data appears once a location is clicked, and from there the option to interrogate the data and return data either in tabular or graph format. - Graphing with threshold setting/changing ability. Now my key concern is that although this will effectively be on a web site, I would like it to behave more like an application (even if it takes some time to load) as you would expect on your desktop. I can achieve most of the above by using layers, and timelines (in dreamweaver) that work with IE 4.x and 5.x, but nothing that works with NS 4.x I've looked at ArcView and GIS, which seem ideal, but I'm being asked to do something WITHOUT those tools for now. I sincerely appreciate any input offered. Thanks Nick From rwd at csi1st.net Thu May 24 15:51:07 2001 From: rwd at csi1st.net (Ron Dorman) Date: Thu May 24 15:51:07 2001 Subject: [thelist] Web based applications References: <000b01c0e492$c69e5fc0$0100a8c0@minotaur> Message-ID: <3B0D7543.9D4F6546@csi1st.net> you could write it as a Win32 app and deliver it via browsers with Citrix or the application server in Win2000. These servers allow a "published" Win app to be run via a browser. Nick Myers wrote: > Wonder if I could ask you guys to delve into your wealth of varied > experience? > > My company is about to task me with building web based applications (using > nice NS&IE 4.x compliant code - np) that will display lots of analysis > data/graphs and location maps all within a confined environment. Now they > already have a desktop application that does this, but they want a web > version that they can sell subscriptions to. My question is this: do you > guys have any examples of web based applications, such as finance, weather, > sports results etc. that's might involve any of the following: > > - A map with points drawn on it, where a user mouses over a given point, and > a pop-up (attached to the cursor) appears with some live data in it. > - A map with transparent overlays that can be switched on/off showing > various transparencies. > - Same as above, but with animation controls to animate (step) through > individually rendered graphics [JPEGS] (without having to use a server-side > program to render all the images into one animation). > - A clickable location map, where a list of available data appears once a > location is clicked, and from there the option to interrogate the data and > return data either in tabular or graph format. > - Graphing with threshold setting/changing ability. > > Now my key concern is that although this will effectively be on a web site, > I would like it to behave more like an application (even if it takes some > time to load) as you would expect on your desktop. I can achieve most of > the above by using layers, and timelines (in dreamweaver) that work with IE > 4.x and 5.x, but nothing that works with NS 4.x > > I've looked at ArcView and GIS, which seem ideal, but I'm being asked to do > something WITHOUT those tools for now. > > I sincerely appreciate any input offered. > > Thanks > > Nick > > --------------------------------------- > For unsubscribe and other options, including > the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: > http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From JBacon at MAILEX.TRA.com Thu May 24 16:02:42 2001 From: JBacon at MAILEX.TRA.com (Jerry Bacon) Date: Thu May 24 16:02:42 2001 Subject: [fwd] RE: [thelist] Web based applications Message-ID: <000d15701211851BUNSON@bunson.webservepro.com> --------------------------------------------- This message was held by thelist software and is being manually forwarded by a list admin. Please remember to send emails in plain-text format only, or they will not reach thelist until it is later forwarded by a list admin. --------------------------------------------- http://www.esri.com/data/online/index.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: Nick Myers Subject: [thelist] Web based applications .. My question is this: do you guys have any examples of web based applications, such as finance, weather, sports results etc. that's might involve any of the following: From jeff at members.evolt.org Thu May 24 16:07:52 2001 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (jeff) Date: Thu May 24 16:07:52 2001 Subject: [thelist] Browser innerWidth for IE4/5/6? In-Reply-To: <20010524203051.34832.qmail@web9604.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: terry, :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : From: Terry Fowler : : Hmm, I got this URL from google: : : http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/author/default.asp : : I spent some time there but never : got the left hand navigation that : your URL has. Reckon I'll just : bookmark that puppy and go back : frequently! :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ you'll find a blue bar near the top that has a "show toc" link. if you're using ie5+ it'll give you the frame you see with the link i sent ya. you can also sync the toc to the page you're viewing as well. don't concern yourself with just the dhtml reference though. there's *so* much more documented about ie -- some stuff that's truly amazing. good luck, .jeff name://jeff.howden game://web.development http://www.evolt.org/ mailto:jeff at members.evolt.org From noah at tookish.net Thu May 24 16:08:42 2001 From: noah at tookish.net (noah) Date: Thu May 24 16:08:42 2001 Subject: [thelist] unauthorized mirror In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010524165844.00a187a0@tookish.net> Thanks Seth and Erik. >>That's weird. Their DNS is pointing to your site, so it's not actually a >>mirror > >Getting the DNS updated might be a tricky thing to do since the DNS >service seems to be a free service, and you get what you pay for ... but >good luck! My DNS is a free service, but they're using different name servers, the domain for which, according to babblefish, "still is in the structure." Maybe it will get cleared up if/when they get out of the structure. Cheers, Noah From philippe.jadin at 123piano.com Thu May 24 16:18:42 2001 From: philippe.jadin at 123piano.com (Philippe Jadin) Date: Thu May 24 16:18:42 2001 Subject: [thelist] unauthorized mirror References: Message-ID: <00d501c0e497$8279f840$2088043e@r3g4p8> > That's weird. Their DNS is pointing to your site, so it's not actually a mirror, it is your live site. No harm that I can see, I'd submit the extra domain name to the search engines.. :) Seems like they made a mistake when they entered the dns entry. Now they will change this "asap" I guess, and your site won't show up anymore on their domain... Philippe When you are not sure if you need to use an external db with zope or not, you'll most of the time find that you don't need an rdms with it. You can pretty do everything you do with an rdms on zope, instead it will be easier and probably faster. Or maybe you've overlooked zope? From philippe.jadin at 123piano.com Thu May 24 16:18:47 2001 From: philippe.jadin at 123piano.com (Philippe Jadin) Date: Thu May 24 16:18:47 2001 Subject: [thelist] Windows App GUI Tool References: <31003619.990727939607.JavaMail.imail@hippie.excite.com> Message-ID: <00d401c0e497$81ca7e60$2088043e@r3g4p8> > MY Bad - when I said transitioning to Windows, I mean that instead of > browser delivered app, we will be delivering an installable .EXE. How do > people that write Windows apps prototype UI? With a RAD ;-) (rapid application developement tool) There are quite a lot : the main are probably microsoft VB, borland Delphi, and some others I forgot. Delphi is my favorite but ymmv. If it's only a matter of designing "standard" ui, you may be be lucky in the opensource area as well : there are plenty of great toolkits for rapid, cross plateform ui developement. My first idea : python with wxpython, a gui toolkit like http://boa-constructor.sourceforge.net/ ...could do the job in an really efficient manner. Wxpython is a cross plateform gui warper, so it works under windows, *nix, and soon macos9/x. Boa is inspired by delphi btw. Hope this helps a bit... Philippe Jadin 123piano.com From java_fella at yahoo.com Thu May 24 16:25:27 2001 From: java_fella at yahoo.com (Thomas Granger) Date: Thu May 24 16:25:27 2001 Subject: [thelist] Re: dreamweaver text input (Thomas Granger) In-Reply-To: <20010524201313.9B1E75224A@relay.evolt.org> Message-ID: <20010524212558.28156.qmail@web3205.mail.yahoo.com> Can you just define a style and apply it to your text every time you import? Or do I have what you want to do wrong here? -- Sign up for free Web & Graphic Design Templates at: http://lb.bcentral.com/ex/manage/subscriberprefs?customerid=5958 --__--__-- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From rthigpen at nc.rr.com Thu May 24 16:45:42 2001 From: rthigpen at nc.rr.com (Ron Thigpen) Date: Thu May 24 16:45:42 2001 Subject: [thelist] Web based applications References: <000b01c0e492$c69e5fc0$0100a8c0@minotaur> Message-ID: <3B0D8127.A2B2540E@nc.rr.com> You might take a look at Macromedia Generator , combined with server-side scripting to your database. This would give you database populated Flash interfaces. All of the functionality you describe should be possible in that environment. I would help, of course, to have someone around who was handy with the nuts and bolts of Flash interface building. --rt Nick Myers wrote: > My question is this: do you > guys have any examples of web based applications, such as finance, weather, > sports results etc. that's might involve any of the following: From msaidi at ced-concord.com Thu May 24 16:49:21 2001 From: msaidi at ced-concord.com (Saidi; Marwan) Date: Thu May 24 16:49:21 2001 Subject: [thelist] CFMail Failure on Linux. Quick Help? Message-ID: <01May24.174100edt.117123@gateway.ced-concord.com> This was just posted on the CF-Linux list, thought it may help.... -----Original Message----- From: Cameron Childress [mailto:cameronc at mindspring.com] Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 8:15 PM To: CF-Linux Subject: RE: CFMAIL and qmail I ran into this a little while back. CFMAIL will not send mail through a Qmail server. This is due, as you stated, to the bare linefeed problem. In the very most strict interpretation CF is violating RFC821 and RFC822 for email formatting. Most mail servers are a little more forgiving and allow mail malformed in this way through anyway. Qmail's author(s) happen to feel a little differently, and require mail to absolutely conform without bare linefeeds. *** This problem has been fixed in CF 5. *** My workaround was to point CF at a different mailserver, but I did see several other possible workarounds. Again, I haven't tested any of these, but feel free to give them a shot: 1) Try adding a CR manually to the end of each message line in your CF using #Chr()# 2) If you have control over the qmail server, there is a workaround in the qmail discussion list archives that I found once, which described modifying qmail so that it would accept mail. I think I bookmarked it at work, if you'd like me to check for the link when I get in on monday just mail me offlist. 3) I briefly attempted writing a "bare linefeed scrubber" into a V3 of the CF_ResendUndeliverableMail tag I've been working on, but I haven't been able to figure out the RegEx Required for it. If you figure it out, I'd love to have the regex... You could scedule an event using such a tag to scrub the linefeeds off the files after they end up in the undelivr directory, then copy them back into the spool using CFFILE. 4) Use a different SMTP server. Hope that helps! -Cameron -------------------- Cameron Childress elliptIQ Inc. p.770.460.7277.232 f.770.460.0963 > -----Original Message----- > From: dennis baldwin [mailto:dennis at zapdesigns.com] > Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 12:43 PM > To: CF-Linux > Subject: CFMAIL and qmail > > > Has anyone successfully implemented CFMAIL and qmail? I'm aware > of the bare > LF problem but does anyone know of a workaround? The mail log reads: > > SMTP server replied "See http://pobox.com/~djb/docs/smtplf.html." > Moved file > to /opt/coldfusion/mail/undelivr/filex4TWf5.cfmail" > > Thanks, > Dennis > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-linux%40houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_linux or send a message to cf-linux-request at houseoffusion.com with 'unsubscribe' in the body. From kristina at kfx-design.co.uk Thu May 24 16:49:27 2001 From: kristina at kfx-design.co.uk (Kristina Floyd) Date: Thu May 24 16:49:27 2001 Subject: [thelist] Web based applications In-Reply-To: <000b01c0e492$c69e5fc0$0100a8c0@minotaur> References: <000b01c0e492$c69e5fc0$0100a8c0@minotaur> Message-ID: <8134673157.20010524224939@kfx-design.co.uk> Nick, Have you considered Flash? (Though I note you have said without those tools, Flash wasn't listed) Especially if download isn't a problem? -- hth :-]k[-: Thursday, May 24, 2001, 9:47:40 PM, you wrote: NM> Wonder if I could ask you guys to delve into your wealth of varied NM> experience? NM> My company is about to task me with building web based applications (using NM> nice NS&IE 4.x compliant code - np) that will display lots of analysis NM> data/graphs and location maps all within a confined environment. Now they NM> already have a desktop application that does this, but they want a web NM> version that they can sell subscriptions to. My question is this: do you NM> guys have any examples of web based applications, such as finance, weather, NM> sports results etc. that's might involve any of the following: NM> - A map with points drawn on it, where a user mouses over a given point, and NM> a pop-up (attached to the cursor) appears with some live data in it. NM> - A map with transparent overlays that can be switched on/off showing NM> various transparencies. NM> - Same as above, but with animation controls to animate (step) through NM> individually rendered graphics [JPEGS] (without having to use a server-side NM> program to render all the images into one animation). NM> - A clickable location map, where a list of available data appears once a NM> location is clicked, and from there the option to interrogate the data and NM> return data either in tabular or graph format. NM> - Graphing with threshold setting/changing ability. NM> Now my key concern is that although this will effectively be on a web site, NM> I would like it to behave more like an application (even if it takes some NM> time to load) as you would expect on your desktop. I can achieve most of NM> the above by using layers, and timelines (in dreamweaver) that work with IE NM> 4.x and 5.x, but nothing that works with NS 4.x NM> I've looked at ArcView and GIS, which seem ideal, but I'm being asked to do NM> something WITHOUT those tools for now. NM> I sincerely appreciate any input offered. NM> Thanks NM> Nick NM> --------------------------------------- NM> For unsubscribe and other options, including NM> the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: NM> http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From cache at dowebs.com Thu May 24 17:46:08 2001 From: cache at dowebs.com (Keith Davis) Date: Thu May 24 17:46:08 2001 Subject: [thelist] good practice META tags? References: <3B0D1D83.17283.91C8D03@localhost> Message-ID: <3B0D8FD5.48A63504@dowebs.com> deke wrote: > HTTP 1.0 specifies "pragma" as a header to be sent by clients > when requesting a fresh copy of a page, not by servers. > > Can you name *any* circumstance in which the illegal "pragma" > header works and these headers don't? > > Yeah. I can't see how you would use a meta tag to tell the browser to keep a certain image, or an external javascript, or an embedded cgi response out of the cache while caching the rest of the page. But, sending the Pragma: no-cache header along with those page components will do the trick. You can run across Pragma: no-cache occasionally in CPAN modules and from what I've read it has been used by Perl programmers for years as the preferred method of keeping content and/or full pages out of the cache. (Maybe that's because we're always looking for the least verbose way to do something.) The way I understand it, the browser starts to read a page from cache, discovers it has expired, requests (via pragma?) the lastModifiedDate and/or fileSize from the server, and then may continue to display the page from its cache if no change has been made in the interval. Which means that the server has to return instructions on that pragma request, and a pragma header originating from the server is simply preempting the request. Appearantly "no-cache" is one of the responses that the browser understands. Delivering dynamic components to realestate on static web pages is becoming a very large industry. Managing what gets cached in the mix is a problem in this area that has many solutions, each with many proponents. Can you offer a URL that points to the standard you quote?? Or better, what kind of data is exchanged in a pragma request/response? keith From matt at sweetillusions.org Thu May 24 18:24:13 2001 From: matt at sweetillusions.org (matt newell) Date: Thu May 24 18:24:13 2001 Subject: [thelist] .shtml vs. .html (how to make .html + includes work with ssi) Message-ID: <025801c0e4a8$b3b3af30$6900000a@tendocom.org> i know someone had asked this a while ago, but didn't see a real good response (i don't think) so here ya'r: What if I have hundreds of html pages. Do I have to rename every one of them with an shtml extension? To work around this problem, make a .htaccess file in your root directory, add only this to the first line: AddType text/x-server-parsed-html .html That's it, and that will make the server scour all html pages looking for SSI commands. Although, this won't work with everything as some CGI's get messed up, but 80% works fine. .. matt .. www.sweetillusions.org .. matt at sweetillusions.org .. in our madness evermore we rave - chaucer From charliel at infohwy.com Thu May 24 18:25:18 2001 From: charliel at infohwy.com (Charlie Llewellin) Date: Thu May 24 18:25:18 2001 Subject: [thelist] mod_rewrite hell Message-ID: Hi all, I have a url such as /travel/pages/cities.php?city=houston which I want to change to page.php?t_dir=pages&t_page=cities.php&city=houston I have RewriteEngine on RewriteBase /travel RewriteRule ^pages/([^\?]+)[\?]*(.*)$ page.php?t_dir=pages&t_page=$1&$2 in my .htaccess in the travel directory Ideally I want the mod_rewrite work whether or not there is a query string on the original url, but it will not see anything at all after the ? in the original url Echoing $t_page always gives cities.php even if the original url contains cities.php?city=houston. Regex/Rewrite gurus, what am I doing wrong? Charlie From charliel at infohwy.com Thu May 24 18:27:48 2001 From: charliel at infohwy.com (Charlie Llewellin) Date: Thu May 24 18:27:48 2001 Subject: [thelist] mod_rewrite hell References: Message-ID: <004101c0e4b9$b6d0e500$6e202fc0@emmis.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlie Llewellin" To: Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 4:25 PM Subject: [thelist] mod_rewrite hell \ Shoot, I meant to say that $city is always empty if.... > > Echoing $t_page always gives cities.php even if the original url contains > cities.php?city=houston. > > Regex/Rewrite gurus, what am I doing wrong? > From marty at face2interface.com Thu May 24 18:50:48 2001 From: marty at face2interface.com (Marty Landman) Date: Thu May 24 18:50:48 2001 Subject: [thelist] .shtml vs. .html (how to make .html + includes work with ssi) In-Reply-To: <025801c0e4a8$b3b3af30$6900000a@tendocom.org> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010524194804.00a04ad0@pop.ulster.net> At Thursday 5/24/01 07:24 PM, matt newell wrote: >To work around this problem, make a .htaccess file in your root directory, >add only this to the first line: > AddType text/x-server-parsed-html .html > >That's it, and that will make the server scour all html pages looking for >SSI commands. Although, this won't work with everything as some CGI's get >messed up, but 80% works fine. Matt, What does this mean? Are you saying that doing this, 4 out 5 'exec cgi='s will fail through no fault of the developer? Or do I misunderstand you? Marty Face 2 Interface Web Solutions Content Management Made SIMPL(tm) Free Trial for Your Website Available http://face2interface.com/Home/Trial.shtml From regulov at hotmail.com Thu May 24 18:54:48 2001 From: regulov at hotmail.com (William Snowden) Date: Thu May 24 18:54:48 2001 Subject: [thelist] Newbie: web-based db Message-ID: I want to build a database to be accessed via browser. I want to be able to do all the work from home (on a Mac (OS 8.6)). I don't want to spend any money. Is it possible? How do I go about it? Thanks.... Bill Snowden _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From bobd at members.evolt.org Thu May 24 19:41:44 2001 From: bobd at members.evolt.org (Bob Davis) Date: Thu May 24 19:41:44 2001 Subject: [thelist] Newbie: web-based db In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200105250042.f4P0g7815804@chmls06.mediaone.net> On Thursday, May 24, 2001, at 07:55 PM, William Snowden wrote: > I want to build a database to be accessed via browser. I want to be > able to do all the work from home (on a Mac (OS 8.6)). I don't want to > spend any money. Is it possible? How do I go about it? > Thanks.... You want to develop on the Mac or host on the Mac or both? The implications are totally different depending on what you need to have happen. Hosting on the Mac (with 8.6) may not be the best answer in any event. There are no free databases that I'm aware of for that operating system. There might still be a free version of Frontier (http://www.userland .com/ ) but I'm not sure if it's still available. If you just want to develop on the Mac and host on another system, then knowing what kind of server and databases you have available (and what kind of access you have available) are important. You'll also need to know some kind of scripting languages or application server environments to make it happen. There are plenty of "free" systems (databases, languages, application servers) available, but there's nothing in this world worth doing that is absolutely free (except maybe spending a nice afternoon on a deserted beach with someone you love). There's always time and learning to account for. There's no reason that you can't develop a nice database driven web site on a macintosh though - it happens every day. bob -- bob davis bobd at members.evolt.org From andrew at thepander.co.nz Thu May 24 19:52:04 2001 From: andrew at thepander.co.nz (Andrew Forsberg) Date: Thu May 24 19:52:04 2001 Subject: [thelist] Newbie: web-based db In-Reply-To: <200105250042.f4P0g7815804@chmls06.mediaone.net> References: <200105250042.f4P0g7815804@chmls06.mediaone.net> Message-ID: >On Thursday, May 24, 2001, at 07:55 PM, William Snowden wrote: > >>I want to build a database to be accessed via browser. I want to >>be able to do all the work from home (on a Mac (OS 8.6)). I don't >>want to spend any money. Is it possible? How do I go about it? >>Thanks.... > >You want to develop on the Mac or host on the Mac or both? > >The implications are totally different depending on what you need to >have happen. +1 to everything Bob said. William -- would you be prepared to install either yellow dog linux (http://yellowdoglinux.com), linux ppc (http://linuxppc.org/), or Mac OS X (http://www.apple.com/macosx/)? The first two are 'free' (inverted commas because they're free to download, but if you want the cds you'll have to lay out a small amount of money, like, say $10!), the last one is a lot more processor intensive, and will set you back considerably more. I can't check the cost of purchasing linuxppc on cd-rom at the moment because it seems their secure site is down... bummer. You could create a very low cost linux hosting system on a Mac with any of those products. But, again, it depends what your ISP's hosting system is -- you'll want to setup something very similar to them. If you're targeting an NT ASP setup, then you'll have a hard time recreating a local server on a mac. Either that or design on the mac and upload to protected directories on the server to test (kind-of-boring if you're on a dialup connection). -- Andrew Forsberg http://www.thepander.co.nz/ From mutes00 at home.com Thu May 24 20:00:30 2001 From: mutes00 at home.com (Mutes) Date: Thu May 24 20:00:30 2001 Subject: [thelist] FP Question References: <200105250042.f4P0g7815804@chmls06.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <002601c0e4b6$0ecd72e0$010a0a0a@vc.shawcable.net> Apparently, my host supports "Frontpage 2000 Extensions" and it "comes installed on your site and ready to be logged into." However, I have no clue to what that is... Can anybody fill me in please? Thanks in advance. From jeff at members.evolt.org Thu May 24 20:28:39 2001 From: jeff at members.evolt.org (jeff) Date: Thu May 24 20:28:39 2001 Subject: [thelist] CFMail Failure on Linux. Quick Help? In-Reply-To: <01May24.174100edt.117123@gateway.ced-concord.com> Message-ID: frank, :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : From: Cameron Childress [mailto:cameronc at mindspring.com] : : 3) [...] You could scedule an event : using such a tag to scrub the : linefeeds off the files after they : end up in the undelivr directory, : then copy them back into the spool : using CFFILE. :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ this gives me an idea. if you can send them by writing the file into the spool, then why not write them with the right format to begin with and put them right into the spool? doing this as a test, here's cfmail tag i used: test message body which resulted in the following output to the /cfusion/mail/spool directory as a numbered file with a .cfmail extension (182.cfmail in this case): x-cf-version: 4.5.0 x-cf-server: alphashop.com x-cf-port: 25 x-cf-timeout: 60 x-cf-from: jeff at alphashop.com x-cf-to: jeff at alphashopcom Content-type: text/plain Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 16:43:29 -0700 From: jeff at alphashop.com Subject: test message subject To: jeff at alphashopcom test message body when it attempted to send the mail server threw an error. cfserver wrote to mail.log in /cfusion/log identifying the file in the spool it attempted to send, the error returned by the mail server, and the new file name and location of the original message (in this case 183.cfmail). the original file (182.cfmail) was purged from the /cfusion/mail/spool and an exact copy of it was written to /cfusion/mail/undelivr with the new name (183.cfmail) identified in the error entry in mail.log. i don't see any reason why you couldn't write a custom tag that would act like cfmail with the exception of putting in proper carriage returns at the end of each line as well as writing the associated headers to a file in /cfusion/mail/spool where it would be picked up by sendmail and dealt with. one of the harder parts would be the naming scheme for the files being written to /cfusion/mail/spool to make sure that anything written into the directory was unique for the duration it will be in the /cfusion/mail/spool directory. just some ideas, .jeff name://jeff.howden game://web.development http://www.evolt.org/ mailto:jeff at members.evolt.org From framar at interlog.com Thu May 24 23:04:31 2001 From: framar at interlog.com (Frank) Date: Thu May 24 23:04:31 2001 Subject: [thelist] CFMail Failure on Linux. Quick Help? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What I've done was to set the email body to a variable, then replace the line feeds with carriage returns using their chr() values. Then placing the variable between the start and end cfmail tag with nothing in between. It worked. my admin section now has a mail-sent log. Now I just gotta figure out why it's not reaching me. -- Where there's a will, there's a way. Frank Marion Loofah Communications frank at loofahcom.com http://www.loofahcom.com From Anthony at Baratta.com Fri May 25 00:33:10 2001 From: Anthony at Baratta.com (Anthony Baratta) Date: Fri May 25 00:33:10 2001 Subject: [thelist] .shtml vs. .html (how to make .html + includes work with ssi) In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010524194804.00a04ad0@pop.ulster.net> References: <025801c0e4a8$b3b3af30$6900000a@tendocom.org> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010524223322.02af4c68@baratta.com> At 04:50 PM 5/24/2001, you wrote: >At Thursday 5/24/01 07:24 PM, matt newell wrote: > >>To work around this problem, make a .htaccess file in your root directory, >>add only this to the first line: >> AddType text/x-server-parsed-html .html >> >>That's it, and that will make the server scour all html pages looking for >>SSI commands. Although, this won't work with everything as some CGI's get >>messed up, but 80% works fine. > >Matt, > >What does this mean? Are you saying that doing this, 4 out 5 'exec cgi='s >will fail through no fault of the developer? Or do I misunderstand you? The above should not impact CGI files. --- Anthony Baratta President Keyboard Jockeys From Anthony at Baratta.com Fri May 25 00:33:50 2001 From: Anthony at Baratta.com (Anthony Baratta) Date: Fri May 25 00:33:50 2001 Subject: [thelist] FP Question In-Reply-To: <002601c0e4b6$0ecd72e0$010a0a0a@vc.shawcable.net> References: <200105250042.f4P0g7815804@chmls06.mediaone.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010524223353.02af1e20@baratta.com> At 06:00 PM 5/24/2001, you wrote: >Apparently, my host supports "Frontpage 2000 Extensions" and it "comes >installed on your site and ready to be logged into." However, I have no clue >to what that is... Can anybody fill me in please? Unless you are developing a site with FrontPage 2000. Ignore it. --- Anthony Baratta President Keyboard Jockeys From patra at poboxes.com Fri May 25 00:38:35 2001 From: patra at poboxes.com (Ritwik Patra) Date: Fri May 25 00:38:35 2001 Subject: [thelist] Form Mail Message-ID: <200105250541.LAA03970@mother.deepalaya.org> I am looking for a PHP script through which if someone clicks on the "Contact Us" link...It will open a separate smaller browser window with a form. When filled up..the sme window will show thanks message alongwith a link to "close the window". I want to use this for our site www.deepalaya.org . We do not want to use any java script. Can anybody help please.... Ritwik Patra From philippe.jadin at 123piano.com Fri May 25 00:44:16 2001 From: philippe.jadin at 123piano.com (Philippe Jadin) Date: Fri May 25 00:44:16 2001 Subject: [thelist] Web based applications References: <000b01c0e492$c69e5fc0$0100a8c0@minotaur> Message-ID: <000a01c0e4de$1fe444a0$ca9b043e@r3g4p8> Why not try flash? It could do this and more I guess. Theplugin is small enough to be somewhat usable... Philippe > Now my key concern is that although this will effectively be on a web site, > I would like it to behave more like an application (even if it takes some > time to load) as you would expect on your desktop. I can achieve most of > the above by using layers, and timelines (in dreamweaver) that work with IE > 4.x and 5.x, but nothing that works with NS 4.x From navindhanuka at yahoo.com Fri May 25 01:24:21 2001 From: navindhanuka at yahoo.com (Navin Dhanuka) Date: Fri May 25 01:24:21 2001 Subject: [thelist] Form Mail In-Reply-To: <200105250541.LAA03970@mother.deepalaya.org> Message-ID: Why don't you use CGI.? Navin Dhanuka, NetInfoTech.net -----Original Message----- From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Ritwik Patra Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 11:17 AM To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: [thelist] Form Mail I am looking for a PHP script through which if someone clicks on the "Contact Us" link...It will open a separate smaller browser window with a form. When filled up..the sme window will show thanks message alongwith a link to "close the window". I want to use this for our site www.deepalaya.org . We do not want to use any java script. Can anybody help please.... Ritwik Patra --------------------------------------- For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From steve.cook at evitbe.com Fri May 25 01:37:16 2001 From: steve.cook at evitbe.com (Steve Cook) Date: Fri May 25 01:37:16 2001 Subject: [thelist] Form Mail Message-ID: <3B55A5A1F233D41183A800D0B74D4D5205E965@SBS> Hi Ritwik, there are two distinct parts to the solution you are looking for. The first part is the "pop-up" window. This requires a client-side script to function, which in practise means accepting the use of a little JavaScript. Alternatively, you could open a normal browser window using target="_blank", but then you cannot create a link to "close the window", as this also requires client-side scripting (i.e. JavaScript). The scripting required to do this though is extremely simple and is supported on the vast majority of browsers. The second part is the mail form. Here you can certainly avoid JavaScript. Creating a mailform in PHP is pretty straightforward and you'll find a whole bunch of usaeable scripts to choose from at various PHP sites such as http://www.phpbuilder.com/ or http://www.hotscripts.com/PHP/ Good luck! .steve ---------------------------------- WapWarp - http://wapwarp.com Wap-Dev - http://www.wap-dev.net Cookstour - http://cookstour.org ---------------------------------- > -----Original Message----- > From: Ritwik Patra [mailto:patra at poboxes.com] > Sent: den 25 maj 2001 07:47 > To: thelist at lists.evolt.org > Subject: [thelist] Form Mail > > > I am looking for a PHP script through which if someone clicks > on the "Contact Us" link...It will open a separate smaller > browser window with a form. When filled up..the sme window > will show thanks message alongwith a link to "close the > window". I want to use this for our site www.deepalaya.org . > We do not want to use any java script. Can anybody help > please.... > > Ritwik Patra > > > From patra at poboxes.com Fri May 25 01:53:41 2001 From: patra at poboxes.com (Ritwik Patra) Date: Fri May 25 01:53:41 2001 Subject: [thelist] Form Mail Message-ID: <200105250658.MAA04057@mother.deepalaya.org> Dear Steve, Thanks for such an immediate response. Yes! We can manage with the PHP script. I was wondering whether the "pop up" thing and "close window" can be used without java script. Since you said no...where do I find the script for this purpose? Another question....can there be alternative ...Like if some has disabled java script ..Then he/she is provided with a simple format...I hope I am able to explain my requirement. Please do mention about the required java script.... Thanks and regards. Ritwik Patra 5/25/01 12:11:34 PM, Steve Cook wrote: >Hi Ritwik, > >there are two distinct parts to the solution you are looking for. The first >part is the "pop-up" window. This requires a client-side script to function, >which in practise means accepting the use of a little JavaScript. >Alternatively, you could open a normal browser window using target="_blank", >but then you cannot create a link to "close the window", as this also >requires client-side scripting (i.e. JavaScript). The scripting required to >do this though is extremely simple and is supported on the vast majority of >browsers. > >The second part is the mail form. Here you can certainly avoid JavaScript. >Creating a mailform in PHP is pretty straightforward and you'll find a whole >bunch of usaeable scripts to choose from at various PHP sites such as > >http://www.phpbuilder.com/ >or >http://www.hotscripts.com/PHP/ > > >Good luck! > >.steve > > >---------------------------------- > WapWarp - http://wapwarp.com > Wap-Dev - http://www.wap-dev.net > Cookstour - http://cookstour.org >---------------------------------- > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ritwik Patra [mailto:patra at poboxes.com] >> Sent: den 25 maj 2001 07:47 >> To: thelist at lists.evolt.org >> Subject: [thelist] Form Mail >> >> >> I am looking for a PHP script through which if someone clicks >> on the "Contact Us" link...It will open a separate smaller >> browser window with a form. When filled up..the sme window >> will show thanks message alongwith a link to "close the >> window". I want to use this for our site www.deepalaya.org . >> We do not want to use any java script. Can anybody help >> please.... >> >> Ritwik Patra >> >> >> > >--------------------------------------- >For unsubscribe and other options, including >the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: >http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! > > From cache at dowebs.com Fri May 25 01:59:16 2001 From: cache at dowebs.com (Keith Davis) Date: Fri May 25 01:59:16 2001 Subject: [thelist] Form Mail References: <200105250541.LAA03970@mother.deepalaya.org> Message-ID: <3B0E0362.BBE4612B@dowebs.com> Ritwik Patra wrote: > > I am looking for a PHP script through which if someone clicks on the "Contact Us" link...It will open a separate smaller > browser window with a form. When filled up..the sme window will show thanks message alongwith a link to "close the > window". I want to use this for our site www.deepalaya.org . We do not want to use any java script. Can anybody help > please.... If you refuse to use javascript you can forget having a "separate smaller browser window", that's how they are created. Unless you want to create a ModalDialog window using Microsoft's proprietary VBScript language that only IE4+ will understand. Perhaps you mean that you don't want Java, which is not Javascript, two totally different creatures.... If: 1) you will accept javascript to open "a separate smaller window with a form" 2) you can run Perl on your server and your server has "sendmail" installed 3) all emails sent through this window will go only to your email address then email me offlist. I have 5 or 6 of those kind of scripts laying around here and I'll just send you one to use. It's easier to just send you a working emailer than it is to explain it, actually it's the easiest way to explain it. (But it will run on Perl, not PHP, I don't do Perl-Handicapped-Programming) keith From tech at az-ink.com.mt Fri May 25 02:11:31 2001 From: tech at az-ink.com.mt (Joseph A Borg) Date: Fri May 25 02:11:31 2001 Subject: [thelist] Form Mail In-Reply-To: <3B55A5A1F233D41183A800D0B74D4D5205E965@SBS> Message-ID: on 25/05/01 8:41 AM, Steve Cook at steve.cook at evitbe.com wrote: > The first > part is the "pop-up" window. This requires a client-side script to function, > which in practise means accepting the use of a little JavaScript. excuse me, I might be saying something silly... but using target="new-window-name" in the tag forces the browser to open a new window with that name- right? Is this javascript? Is it compatible with v2 browsers? joe From catbells at pat.mkn.co.uk Fri May 25 02:12:11 2001 From: catbells at pat.mkn.co.uk (Dave Hinton) Date: Fri May 25 02:12:11 2001 Subject: [thelist] good practice META tags? References: <3B0D1D83.17283.91C8D03@localhost> Message-ID: <3B0E0644.FE2DD73B@pat.mkn.co.uk> deke wrote: > Can you name *any* circumstance in which the illegal "pragma" > header works and these headers don't? > > I've never noticed browsers paying any attention to Expires. Browsers seem to either use If-Modified-Since, or assume that since they downloaded it five minutes ago, it must still be valid. Cache-Control is a HTTP 1.1 thing. No way will it work with older browsers. Otoh, Pragma: no-cache always seemed to work with older browsers, when older browsers was all we had. Whether it works with newer browsers, I don't know. -- // Dave Hinton =()= Web Developer, MarketNet // London 7691 8968 From patra at poboxes.com Fri May 25 02:18:36 2001 From: patra at poboxes.com (Ritwik Patra) Date: Fri May 25 02:18:36 2001 Subject: [thelist] Form Mail Message-ID: <200105250725.MAA04105@mother.deepalaya.org> Dear Keith, Thanks for your reply! Yes...I meant Java Script only. Now I understand that without Java Script it's not possible to open a smaller pop up window. I do not want to use Perl. We are trying to use PHP (Parmanent Helpful Programme) in all our pages. Thanks and regards. Ritwik Patra 5/25/01 12:31:54 PM, Keith Davis wrote: >Ritwik Patra wrote: >> >> I am looking for a PHP script through which if someone clicks on the "Contact Us" link...It will open a separate smaller >> browser window with a form. When filled up..the sme window will show thanks message alongwith a link to "close the >> window". I want to use this for our site www.deepalaya.org . We do not want to use any java script. Can anybody help >> please.... > >If you refuse to use javascript you can forget having a "separate >smaller browser window", that's how they are created. Unless you want to >create a ModalDialog window using Microsoft's proprietary VBScript >language that only IE4+ will understand. > >Perhaps you mean that you don't want Java, which is not Javascript, two >totally different creatures.... > >If: >1) you will accept javascript to open "a separate smaller window with a >form" >2) you can run Perl on your server and your server has "sendmail" >installed >3) all emails sent through this window will go only to your email >address > >then email me offlist. I have 5 or 6 of those kind of scripts laying >around here and I'll just send you one to use. It's easier to just send >you a working emailer than it is to explain it, actually it's the >easiest way to explain it. (But it will run on Perl, not PHP, I don't do >Perl-Handicapped-Programming) > >keith > >--------------------------------------- >For unsubscribe and other options, including >the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: >http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! > > From alligotar at gmx.net Fri May 25 02:23:01 2001 From: alligotar at gmx.net (Jakob =?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F6lling?=) Date: Fri May 25 02:23:01 2001 Subject: [thelist] mod_rewrite hell References: Message-ID: <3B0E0880.3E552B12@gmx.net> Morn': > in my .htaccess in the travel directory ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I'm unfamiliar with mod_rewrite, but shouldn't be the .htaccess ideally be kept in the root directory of domain? Jakob D?lling -- To Unix or not to Unix. That is the question whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer slings and arrows of vast documentation or to take arms against a sea of buggy OS and by raping the support lines end then? ;> Contact: /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \/Jakob D?lling \/EMail: mailto:alligott at yahoo.com \/ <>Treuerzipfel 13 <>ICQ #: 47326203 <> /\D-38678 Clausthal /\ICQ pager: mailto:47326203 at pager.icq.com /\ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ /\Webmaster of http://www.bank-ic.de/ /\ \/--------------------------------------------------------------\/ From m at pleonasm.com Fri May 25 02:28:01 2001 From: m at pleonasm.com (Matt) Date: Fri May 25 02:28:01 2001 Subject: [thelist] Form Mail In-Reply-To: References: <3B55A5A1F233D41183A800D0B74D4D5205E965@SBS> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010525092606.0079a550@pleonasm.com> Joseph A Borg wrote: > >but using target="new-window-name" in the tag forces the browser >to open a new window with that name- right? Is this javascript? No, it's HTML. It's really a hangover from frames, where you could name frames in your frameset, and then open documents within certain frames with . But it works for (non-frames) windows too. You can give the target window any name you want to open a new window with that name; you can then reuse the name later, if you like, to open a different document in that same, already-open window. Or you can use the reserved window name "_blank" to force a new window every time. >Is it compatible with v2 browsers? That I could not tell you. I guess you'll have to try it and see. Matt From Anthony at Baratta.com Fri May 25 02:29:11 2001 From: Anthony at Baratta.com (Anthony Baratta) Date: Fri May 25 02:29:11 2001 Subject: [thelist] mod_rewrite hell In-Reply-To: <3B0E0880.3E552B12@gmx.net> References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010525002649.02a4fe28@baratta.com> At 12:23 AM 5/25/2001, you wrote: >Morn': > > > in my .htaccess in the travel directory > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >I'm unfamiliar with mod_rewrite, but shouldn't be the .htaccess ideally >be kept in the root directory of domain? .htaccess can be used anywhere you need to modify Apache's behaviour. It also affects child directories. Having it in the web root will affect ALL directories of the site, and I don't think that is want he wants with his current solution. I use several .htaccess files thoughout my sites to modify Apache for different reasons and stuff them into their target directories because I don't want that behaviour site wide. One such behaviour is File Indexing, which I definitely don't want site wide. ;-) --- Anthony Baratta President Keyboard Jockeys From jonathan at familygenetix.com Fri May 25 04:11:33 2001 From: jonathan at familygenetix.com (Jonathan Chard) Date: Fri May 25 04:11:33 2001 Subject: [thelist] Browser innerWidth for IE4/5/6? In-Reply-To: <20010524180840.95621.qmail@web9605.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: >heh, it's Dan Steinman's detect and is probably a few >years out of date. No mention of IE5 in the tutorial. >The copyright is 1998, so I don't think he's updating >it. But it's still great for the basics. FWIW, thought you might be interested to know that the Dynamic API isn't dead, it's just evolved. It's now an opensource project on http://dynapi.sourceforge.net/dynapi/, with associated tutorials, widgets under development, etc. You can also check out some sample sites at http://www.richardinfo.f2s.com/dynapi/php/examples.html ( is one of my favourites...) http://www.cantir.com/dynapi/ http://www.dynamic-core.net/ http://www.scottandrew.com/dhtml/docs/ Hope this is of interest. Jon Chard. From jonathan at familygenetix.com Fri May 25 04:50:27 2001 From: jonathan at familygenetix.com (Jonathan Chard) Date: Fri May 25 04:50:27 2001 Subject: [thelist] XML > XSL > HTML question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Kerin, >A couple of parts of my XML file hold large chunks of text. When I view the >XML file, I can see that the text (in CDATA[]) is nicely formatted with >carriage returns. Obviously though, XSL strips out all extraneous >whitespace, so I just end up with these *huge* blocks of text with no >linebreaks. >Now, I know how to get XSL to preserve whitespace, but thats no good - the >text comes through still formatted, but obviously newline characters mean >nothing to HTML - what I need to do is convert the newlines to
    s, or >

    s, or whatever. >So, how can I do this with XSL? Convert newlines to
    tags for the output >tree? This is driving me nuts! Guess noone knows! TBH I find the CDATA sections pretty confusing and try to avoid them. You might want to check out http://www.dpawson.co.uk/xsl/cdata.html. This seems to suggest that the CDATA section is not parsed at all, which means that it's not possible to do what you want. I think that you should only use a CDATA section when you've got a lot of text that you don't want to escape, is this true in your case? My only suggestion is that you parse your blocks of text *before* they get stuck in your database, so that when they're pulled out, they're already in the correct format. You could also consider not using a CDATA section at all and using the tag to put the content directly in your web page. But I'm just reiterating the points already made in the above link. Sorry I can't be of more help, I'm only a beginner too... I think it's just nice to know sometimes that people are listening (hence my response). Just wish I had a single suggestion to help the guy a while ago that had a question about if statements in an a stylesheet... Jon Chard. From ltu97mp at reading.ac.uk Fri May 25 05:16:53 2001 From: ltu97mp at reading.ac.uk (Matt Patterson) Date: Fri May 25 05:16:53 2001 Subject: [thelist] Form Mail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010525111031-r01010600-fffda254@10.0.0.15> On 25/5/01 at 9:11 am, tech at az-ink.com.mt (Joseph A Borg) wrote: > on 25/05/01 8:41 AM, Steve Cook at steve.cook at evitbe.com wrote: > > > The first > > part is the "pop-up" window. This requires a client-side script to function, > > which in practise means accepting the use of a little JavaScript. > > excuse me, I might be saying something silly... but using > target="new-window-name" in the
    tag forces the browser to open a new > window with that name- right? Is this javascript? Is it compatible with v2 > browsers? You're right, but the problem of opening a pop-up window is not just getting the thing open. If you want *any* control over the dimensions and position of the window then you have to use Javascript, because there's no way to control how and where a window is opened with target="new_window". A pop-up window which is full-screen doesn't really help anyone... Matt ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matt Patterson: Student Reading University Department of Typography & Graphic Communication ltu97mp at reading.ac.uk http://www.rdg.ac.uk/~ltu97mp/ 'I could call this place Poohanpiglet Corner if Pooh Corner didn't sound better, which it does, being smaller and more like a corner.' From alligotar at gmx.net Fri May 25 05:27:07 2001 From: alligotar at gmx.net (Jakob =?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F6lling?=) Date: Fri May 25 05:27:07 2001 Subject: [thelist] mod_rewrite hell References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010525002649.02a4fe28@baratta.com> Message-ID: <3B0E3396.BCD4F8A1@gmx.net> Morn' > > > in my .htaccess in the travel directory > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >I'm unfamiliar with mod_rewrite, but shouldn't be the .htaccess ideally > >be kept in the root directory of domain? > > .htaccess can be used anywhere you need to modify Apache's behaviour. It > also affects child directories. Having it in the web root will affect ALL > directories of the site, and I don't think that is want he wants with his > current solution. You'll never learn out ;-) . My thought is, if he wants to have to redirect his /travel-dir to that PHP-thingie, the rewrite-rules for that dir need to be defined in his web root. Jakob D?lling -- To Unix or not to Unix. That is the question whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer slings and arrows of vast documentation or to take arms against a sea of buggy OS and by raping the support lines end then? ;> Contact: /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \/Jakob D?lling \/EMail: mailto:alligott at yahoo.com \/ <>Treuerzipfel 13 <>ICQ #: 47326203 <> /\D-38678 Clausthal /\ICQ pager: mailto:47326203 at pager.icq.com /\ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ /\Webmaster of http://www.bank-ic.de/ /\ \/--------------------------------------------------------------\/ From jillshaw at email.com Fri May 25 06:17:57 2001 From: jillshaw at email.com (Jill Shaw) Date: Fri May 25 06:17:57 2001 Subject: [thelist] UltraDev Shopping Cart? Message-ID: <384895808.990789510866.JavaMail.root@web168-ec.mail.com> Just wondering if anyone could give me advice on whether the Shopping Cart server behaviours extensions is really the right way to go for a particular project (please bear in mind I'm new-ish to the whole ASP/UltraDev/database world!). I am working on a site to allow students to enrol for courses, check which courses they've completed, take a test and complete a questionnaire for each course they have completed. I want to use UltraDev and have already got all the student details in a big SQL Server database with stored procedures. Is the Shopping Cart adaptable enough to change it to fit these needs? Is it worth me spending the time learning how to create a cart? I'd really appreciate your views on this. Thanks in advance, Jill Shaw Jill Shaw Web Developer Northern Ireland ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com From nicole at parrot.ca Fri May 25 06:40:12 2001 From: nicole at parrot.ca (Nicole Parrot) Date: Fri May 25 06:40:12 2001 Subject: [thelist] XML > XSL > HTML question References: Message-ID: <00e301c0e50f$cc031c80$0100a8c0@mshome.net> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan Chard" ! > > Guess noone knows! TBH I find the CDATA sections pretty confusing and try to > avoid them. But we were all hoping for an answer.. > My only suggestion is that you parse your blocks of text *before* they get > stuck in your > database, so that when they're pulled out, they're already in the correct > format. But that's sort of goes against XML which is for data sharing. There shouldn't be a need to assume your end result will be an HTML page. You shouldn't have to assume anything at all about where your data will be displayed. > I'm only a beginner too... I think it's just nice to know sometimes that > people are listening (hence > my response). I think everyone's a beginner with XML and XSL... And yes, I know, I don't have anything constructive to offer, that's because I truly don't know the answer. BTW, I cheat the same way as what you were mentionning. I do assume HTML will be my end result, but I hate having to make that assumption. Nicole From jonathan at familygenetix.com Fri May 25 07:04:58 2001 From: jonathan at familygenetix.com (Jonathan Chard) Date: Fri May 25 07:04:58 2001 Subject: [thelist] XML > XSL > HTML question In-Reply-To: <00e301c0e50f$cc031c80$0100a8c0@mshome.net> Message-ID: >But that's sort of goes against XML which is for data sharing. There >shouldn't be a need to assume your end result will be an HTML page. You >shouldn't have to assume anything at all about where your data will be >displayed. You got me thinking there, you're right. For a moment I started along the lines of "but you know it's going to be a webpage because that's what you're doing" but you could be turning it into a pdf document or anything.... So perhaps the solution is, rather than sticking in
    s or enclosing text in

    s, which are both HTML specific, when you parse the block on the way in, you wrap it in your own tag, say put a around it. And then when you come to do the processing, let the stylesheet decide what the format is, i.e. if HTML wrap it in a

    , if pdf.. er.. do something else. I dunno. I'm inclined to think sometimes, if it works in the way we want it to work now, great. We'll worry about it working in another way when we want it to work in another way. (see http://www.xprogramming.com/ ) JonC. --------------------------------------- For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From ltu97mp at reading.ac.uk Fri May 25 07:20:33 2001 From: ltu97mp at reading.ac.uk (Matt Patterson) Date: Fri May 25 07:20:33 2001 Subject: [thelist] XML > XSL > HTML question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010525131309-r01010600-503a5b50@10.0.0.15> On 24/5/01 at 3:29 pm, Kerin.Cosford at current-drugs.com (Kerin Cosford) wrote: > A couple of parts of my XML file hold large chunks of text. When I view the > XML file, I can see that the text (in CDATA[]) is nicely formatted with > carriage returns. Obviously though, XSL strips out all extraneous > whitespace, so I just end up with these *huge* blocks of text with no > linebreaks. If I may... Why are you storing large chunks of continuous text so crudely? all my continuous text Why not store it properly structured, with the paragraphs (which I assume are the things delimited by your carriage returns) in their own elements. some of my continuous textsome more text > Now, I know how to get XSL to preserve whitespace, but thats no good - the > text comes through still formatted, but obviously newline characters mean > nothing to HTML - what I need to do is convert the newlines to
    s, or >

    s, or whatever. CDATA sections are for data which shouldn't be parsed... You could replace the newlines with entities which parse to
    or something like that and store your data as PCDATA, but that might complicate things more... Give me fine granularity or give me death! (or something...) Matt ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matt Patterson: Student Reading University Department of Typography & Graphic Communication ltu97mp at reading.ac.uk http://www.rdg.ac.uk/~ltu97mp/ Piglet took Pooh's arm, in case Pooh was frightened. 'Is it one of the Fiercer Animals?' he said, looking the other way. Pooh nodded. 'It's a Jagular,' he said. 'What do Jagulars do?' asked Piglet, hoping that they wouldn't. From ltu97mp at reading.ac.uk Fri May 25 07:25:38 2001 From: ltu97mp at reading.ac.uk (Matt Patterson) Date: Fri May 25 07:25:38 2001 Subject: [thelist] XML > XSL > HTML question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010525131549-r01010600-e75e3e84@10.0.0.15> On 25/5/01 at 1:05 pm, jonathan at familygenetix.com (Jonathan Chard) wrote: > You got me thinking there, you're right. For a moment I started along > the lines of "but you know it's going to be a webpage because that's > what you're doing" but you could be turning it into a pdf document or > anything.... > > So perhaps the solution is, rather than sticking in
    s or enclosing > text in

    s, which are both HTML specific, when you parse the block > on the way in, you wrap it in your own tag, say put a > around it. Whoops, you pre-empted my reply without me noticing... doh!

    isn't HTML specific - it's just a tag set... You could happily use

    , make your life easier in the conversion to HTML (though no easier than using admittedly) and still be able to transform for other uses... XHTML is an XML application after all... Matt ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matt Patterson: Student Reading University Department of Typography & Graphic Communication ltu97mp at reading.ac.uk http://www.rdg.ac.uk/~ltu97mp/ 'Can they fly?' asked Roo. 'Yes,' said Tigger, 'they're very good flyers, Tiggers are. Strornry good flyers.' 'Oo!' said Roo. 'Can they fly as well as Owl?' 'Yes,' said Tigger. 'Only they don't want to.' From Ron_Senykoff at BEAEROSPACE.COM Fri May 25 08:09:18 2001 From: Ron_Senykoff at BEAEROSPACE.COM (Ron_Senykoff at BEAEROSPACE.COM) Date: Fri May 25 08:09:18 2001 Subject: [thelist] Web based applications Message-ID: <85256A57.00482D95.00@corpsmtpout.beaerospace.com> How about Java Applets? These are applications that can range from simple to very robust. Both Netscape and IE support JDK 1.1.8, so you have to develop in that environment. No coding in Java 2 (which is actually JDK 1.2). But, with Applets you can do graphs, animations, etc. Java can talk over TCP/IP so you could have the Applet grab data from your back-end environment. Here's an example: http://whyslopes.com/freeAccess/applet.html HTH -Ron S. Kristina Floyd on 05/24/2001 05:49:39 PM Please respond to thelist at lists.evolt.org To: Nick Myers cc: (bcc: Ron Senykoff/BEA) Subject: Re: [thelist] Web based applications Nick, Have you considered Flash? (Though I note you have said without those tools, Flash wasn't listed) Especially if download isn't a problem? -- hth :-]k[-: Thursday, May 24, 2001, 9:47:40 PM, you wrote: NM> Wonder if I could ask you guys to delve into your wealth of varied NM> experience? NM> My company is about to task me with building web based applications (using NM> nice NS&IE 4.x compliant code - np) that will display lots of analysis NM> data/graphs and location maps all within a confined environment. Now they NM> already have a desktop application that does this, but they want a web NM> version that they can sell subscriptions to. My question is this: do you NM> guys have any examples of web based applications, such as finance, weather, NM> sports results etc. that's might involve any of the following: NM> - A map with points drawn on it, where a user mouses over a given point, and NM> a pop-up (attached to the cursor) appears with some live data in it. NM> - A map with transparent overlays that can be switched on/off showing NM> various transparencies. NM> - Same as above, but with animation controls to animate (step) through NM> individually rendered graphics [JPEGS] (without having to use a server-side NM> program to render all the images into one animation). NM> - A clickable location map, where a list of available data appears once a NM> location is clicked, and from there the option to interrogate the data and NM> return data either in tabular or graph format. NM> - Graphing with threshold setting/changing ability. NM> Now my key concern is that although this will effectively be on a web site, NM> I would like it to behave more like an application (even if it takes some NM> time to load) as you would expect on your desktop. I can achieve most of NM> the above by using layers, and timelines (in dreamweaver) that work with IE NM> 4.x and 5.x, but nothing that works with NS 4.x NM> I've looked at ArcView and GIS, which seem ideal, but I'm being asked to do NM> something WITHOUT those tools for now. NM> I sincerely appreciate any input offered. NM> Thanks NM> Nick NM> --------------------------------------- NM> For unsubscribe and other options, including NM> the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: NM> http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! --------------------------------------- For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From john_meyer at geocities.com Fri May 25 08:48:13 2001 From: john_meyer at geocities.com (John Meyer) Date: Fri May 25 08:48:13 2001 Subject: [thelist] UltraDev Shopping Cart? In-Reply-To: <384895808.990789510866.JavaMail.root@web168-ec.mail.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010525074448.00a59540@pop.mail.yahoo.com> You'd have to describe this in more detail. The shopping cart probably would be right for enrolling for courses, as they can enroll for multiple courses before they commit it to the database. However, I wouldn't use the shopping cart for any sort of information that has to persist, primarily because you have SQL Server. At 07:18 AM 5/25/2001 -0400, you wrote: >Just wondering if anyone could give me advice on whether the Shopping Cart >server behaviours extensions is really the right way to go for a particular >project (please bear in mind I'm new-ish to the whole ASP/UltraDev/database >world!). > >I am working on a site to allow students to enrol for courses, check which >courses they've completed, take a test and complete a questionnaire for each >course they have completed. I want to use UltraDev and have already got all >the student details in a big SQL Server database with stored procedures. > >Is the Shopping Cart adaptable enough to change it to fit these needs? Is it >worth me spending the time learning how to create a cart? > >I'd really appreciate your views on this. >Thanks in advance, >Jill Shaw > >Jill Shaw >Web Developer >Northern Ireland >----------------------------------------------- >FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com >Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com > > > >--------------------------------------- >For unsubscribe and other options, including >the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: >http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From Kerin.Cosford at current-drugs.com Fri May 25 08:52:03 2001 From: Kerin.Cosford at current-drugs.com (Kerin Cosford) Date: Fri May 25 08:52:03 2001 Subject: [thelist] XML > XSL > HTML question Message-ID: well, for everyone who's interested, a friendly XSL uber-guru sent me the following code whihc solves my problem perfectly:
    -----Original Message----- From: Matt Patterson [mailto:ltu97mp at reading.ac.uk] Sent: 25 May 2001 13:16 To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: RE: [thelist] XML > XSL > HTML question On 25/5/01 at 1:05 pm, jonathan at familygenetix.com (Jonathan Chard) wrote: > You got me thinking there, you're right. For a moment I started along > the lines of "but you know it's going to be a webpage because that's > what you're doing" but you could be turning it into a pdf document or > anything.... > > So perhaps the solution is, rather than sticking in
    s or enclosing > text in

    s, which are both HTML specific, when you parse the block > on the way in, you wrap it in your own tag, say put a > around it. Whoops, you pre-empted my reply without me noticing... doh!

    isn't HTML specific - it's just a tag set... You could happily use

    , make your life easier in the conversion to HTML (though no easier than using admittedly) and still be able to transform for other uses... XHTML is an XML application after all... Matt ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matt Patterson: Student Reading University Department of Typography & Graphic Communication ltu97mp at reading.ac.uk http://www.rdg.ac.uk/~ltu97mp/ 'Can they fly?' asked Roo. 'Yes,' said Tigger, 'they're very good flyers, Tiggers are. Strornry good flyers.' 'Oo!' said Roo. 'Can they fly as well as Owl?' 'Yes,' said Tigger. 'Only they don't want to.' --------------------------------------- For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From Kerin.Cosford at current-drugs.com Fri May 25 08:53:23 2001 From: Kerin.Cosford at current-drugs.com (Kerin Cosford) Date: Fri May 25 08:53:23 2001 Subject: [thelist] XML > XSL > HTML question Message-ID: Yes, the data isn't held in the most intelligent format possible - all future data will be however. I'm working with large amounts of legacy data, several gigabytes (an exhaustive databse of chemical data on pharmaceuticals), so changing the source data format isnt an option. -----Original Message----- From: Matt Patterson [mailto:ltu97mp at reading.ac.uk] Sent: 25 May 2001 13:13 To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: Re: [thelist] XML > XSL > HTML question On 24/5/01 at 3:29 pm, Kerin.Cosford at current-drugs.com (Kerin Cosford) wrote: > A couple of parts of my XML file hold large chunks of text. When I view the > XML file, I can see that the text (in CDATA[]) is nicely formatted with > carriage returns. Obviously though, XSL strips out all extraneous > whitespace, so I just end up with these *huge* blocks of text with no > linebreaks. If I may... Why are you storing large chunks of continuous text so crudely? all my continuous text Why not store it properly structured, with the paragraphs (which I assume are the things delimited by your carriage returns) in their own elements. some of my continuous textsome more text > Now, I know how to get XSL to preserve whitespace, but thats no good - the > text comes through still formatted, but obviously newline characters mean > nothing to HTML - what I need to do is convert the newlines to
    s, or >

    s, or whatever. CDATA sections are for data which shouldn't be parsed... You could replace the newlines with entities which parse to
    or something like that and store your data as PCDATA, but that might complicate things more... Give me fine granularity or give me death! (or something...) Matt ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matt Patterson: Student Reading University Department of Typography & Graphic Communication ltu97mp at reading.ac.uk http://www.rdg.ac.uk/~ltu97mp/ Piglet took Pooh's arm, in case Pooh was frightened. 'Is it one of the Fiercer Animals?' he said, looking the other way. Pooh nodded. 'It's a Jagular,' he said. 'What do Jagulars do?' asked Piglet, hoping that they wouldn't. --------------------------------------- For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From web at master.gen.in.us Fri May 25 09:05:14 2001 From: web at master.gen.in.us (deke ) Date: Fri May 25 09:05:14 2001 Subject: [thelist] good practice META tags? In-Reply-To: <3B0D8FD5.48A63504@dowebs.com> Message-ID: <3B0E2644.8407.D26E8D6@localhost> On 24 May 2001, at 16:48, Keith Davis posted a message which said: > > Can you name *any* circumstance in which the illegal "pragma" > > header works and these headers don't? > > > > > Yeah. I can't see how you would use a meta tag to tell the browser to > keep a certain image, or an external javascript, or an embedded cgi > response out of the cache while caching the rest of the page. But, > sending the Pragma: no-cache header along with those page components > will do the trick. Tell me how you use ANY meta tag to prevent the caching of only one component of the page! Use of REAL headers is much better for *any* caching directives. A big portion of the internet resides behind the AOL caching firewall, and it does NOT read HTML, so HTTP-EQUIV meta tags do not affect it. I presume without any evidence that other caching firewalls *may* exhibit similar behavior. If you are REAL headers, you can use Expires:, which originated with HTTP/0.9 and the Cache-Control: header of HTTP/1.1, instead of the Pragma header, which has *never* been legal in that context. There is a problem with the Expires: header in that *some* snippy implementations demand that you follow the specification. How odd, that software should treat garbage data as garbage data! Saying content=0 or content=-1 ain't legal. Neither is saying "Fri, 01 Dec 1994 16:00:00 GMT" when that date was a Thursday. > You can run across Pragma: no-cache occasionally in CPAN modules and > from what I've read it has been used by Perl programmers for years as > the preferred method of keeping content and/or full pages out of the > cache. (Maybe that's because we're always looking for the least verbose > way to do something.) It *is* supposed to keep content and/or full pages out of the SERVER cache. > The way I understand it, the browser starts to read a page from cache, > discovers it has expired, requests (via pragma?) the lastModifiedDate > and/or fileSize from the server, and then may continue to display the > page from its cache if no change has been made in the interval. To get the LastModifiedDate, you do a HEAD request of the server. > Delivering dynamic components to realestate on static web pages is > becoming a very large industry. Managing what gets cached in the mix is > a problem in this area that has many solutions, each with many > proponents. Can you offer a URL that points to the standard you quote?? http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1945.txt covers the HTTP/1.0 standard and http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2616.txt covers the HTTP/1.1 standard > Or better, what kind of data is exchanged in a pragma request/response? The Pragma general-header field is used to include implementation- specific directives that may apply to any recipient along the request/response chain. All pragma directives specify optional behavior from the viewpoint of the protocol; however, some systems may require that behavior be consistent with the directives. Pragma = "Pragma" ":" 1#pragma-directive pragma-directive = "no-cache" | extension-pragma extension-pragma = token [ "=" word ] When the "no-cache" directive is present in a request message, an application should forward the request toward the origin server even if it has a cached copy of what is being requested. This allows a client to insist upon receiving an authoritative response to its request. It also allows a client to refresh a cached copy which is known to be corrupted or stale. Pragma directives must be passed through by a proxy or gateway application, regardless of their significance to that application, since the directives may be applicable to all recipients along the request/response chain. It is not possible to specify a pragma for a specific recipient; however, any pragma directive not relevant to a recipient should be ignored by that recipient. ------------------------ "The church is near but the road is icy; the bar is far away but I will walk carefully." -- Russian Proverb From charliel at infohwy.com Fri May 25 09:14:48 2001 From: charliel at infohwy.com (Charlie Llewellin) Date: Fri May 25 09:14:48 2001 Subject: [thelist] mod_rewrite hell References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010525002649.02a4fe28@baratta.com> <3B0E3396.BCD4F8A1@gmx.net> Message-ID: <001501c0e535$9ba23460$6e202fc0@emmis.com> No, Anthony is correct, mod_rewrite directives can be anywhere.. It is working, just not the way I want. Specifically, I can't get mod_rewrite to process a query string in the original URL... it just seems to be ignored. If I change /travel/pages/cities.php?city=houston to /travel/pages/cities.php/city=houston then I can get it to do what I want, but I'd rather not have to change existing links on the site. Charlie From DonM at allensysgroup.com Fri May 25 09:39:18 2001 From: DonM at allensysgroup.com (Don Makoviney) Date: Fri May 25 09:39:18 2001 Subject: [thelist] MouseOver Table Cells Message-ID: <7BFA01703139D51192E100B0D0D0133E11040F@usnapsmail.asg.com> I am mousing over table cells and changing the colors like this in ASP: Response.Write ("

    ") However, instead of hardcoding these colors in like I have above, I would like to specify these colors in a CSS file, but I am having a hard time finding the equivalent way to do it there. Any suggestions? Thanks, Don M From peter at vardus.com Fri May 25 10:09:54 2001 From: peter at vardus.com (Peter Van Dijck) Date: Fri May 25 10:09:54 2001 Subject: [thelist] testing scripts In-Reply-To: <001722812031351BUNSON@bunson.webservepro.com> Message-ID: <4.3.2.20010525155232.02673ec0@mail.vardus.net> Hi, I am trying to find some free (ish) software that can help me to test sites. I want to be able to write scripts that go to the site, fill in forms, (including accept cookies) and so on. Any ideas? I'm testing out microsoft's free load testing software, I'll see if it can be used for this... Peter ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://liga1.com building multiple language/culture websites http://poorbuthappy.editthispage.com online ethnology, up&down From jcrawford at avencom.com Fri May 25 10:19:59 2001 From: jcrawford at avencom.com (Joe Crawford) Date: Fri May 25 10:19:59 2001 Subject: [thelist] MouseOver Table Cells In-Reply-To: <7BFA01703139D51192E100B0D0D0133E11040F@usnapsmail.asg.com> Message-ID: on 5/25/2001 7:40 AM, Don Makoviney at DonM at allensysgroup.com wrote: > I am mousing over table cells and changing the colors like this in ASP: > > Response.Write ("") > > > However, instead of hardcoding these colors in like I have above, I would > like to specify these colors in a CSS file, but I am having a hard time > finding the equivalent way to do it there. You can call this.style.className - then have the class name in your CSS which the page access (could be on the page, could be in a linked stylesheet). So you need whiteThing and yellowThing classes: I have something similar here: http://www.artlung.com/temp/tr-onmouseover-style.html But I really need to move it to http://www.artlung.com/lab/ somewhere. HTH, Joe -- Joe Crawford |||||||||||||| mailto:jcrawford at avencom.com |||||||||||||||||||||||| http://www.avencom.com ||||||||||||||||||||||||||| Avencom: Set Your Sites Higher From mrogers at ocis.net Fri May 25 10:30:39 2001 From: mrogers at ocis.net (Mark Rogers) Date: Fri May 25 10:30:39 2001 Subject: [thelist] dreamweaver text input Message-ID: Judging by the replies, I wasn't clear in earlier message. I want to copy text from a word processor that looks like this: Yadda (return) (return) Yadda (return) (return) Yadda (return) (return) And paste it into Dreamweaver 3. When I do, it looks like this:

    Yadda
    Yadda
    Yadda

    But I want it to look like this:

    Yadda

    Yadda

    Yadda

    Sorry if I'm asking something obvious. It's just got me stumped. Thanks for any help. Mark Rogers From chris at completeimaging.com Fri May 25 10:34:19 2001 From: chris at completeimaging.com (Chris Johnston) Date: Fri May 25 10:34:19 2001 Subject: [thelist] JavaScript Newbie help - targeting links Message-ID: Hello, Here is my problem. I am designing a site that will involve people to login. Instead of creating a separate login page I have decided to do it as a pop browser window. Currently I am working on the JavaScript for this little trick. I have the window popping up with two links in it. What I want to have happen is when the person picks one of the two links, the little window closes and the section that they have selected to go to appears in the main window. Unfortunately, I am not sure how to do this. Help please. Here is a slightly harder question that will come into question in the second part of this little project. If I were to have the people enter their login id and password in a JavaScript alert is there anyway of passing the values to a ColdFusion script? Thanks in advanced, Chris -------------- www.edigitaldesign.com Taking Your Business to the Web [Web Design] [ColdFusion] [Database Applications] [Hosting] From peter at vardus.com Fri May 25 10:39:29 2001 From: peter at vardus.com (Peter Van Dijck) Date: Fri May 25 10:39:29 2001 Subject: [thelist] mod_rewrite hell In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.3.2.20010525162210.00b6d940@mail.vardus.net> Somewhat hacky, but you could get the REQUEST_URI in de code in page.php, and parse everything after the ? out, and then there's a function to parse that in PHP. parse_querystring() or something. I said it, somewhat hacky. Peter ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://liga1.com building multiple language/culture websites http://poorbuthappy.editthispage.com online ethnology, up&down From sgd at ti3.com Fri May 25 10:39:54 2001 From: sgd at ti3.com (Scott Dexter) Date: Fri May 25 10:39:54 2001 Subject: [thelist] dreamweaver text input Message-ID: <8C8B8745C0FE7A43BFA6CABAB3211172492DF7@gate.ti3.com> > And paste it into Dreamweaver 3. When I do, it looks like this: > >

    > Yadda
    > Yadda
    > Yadda >

    > > But I want it to look like this: > >

    Yadda

    >

    Yadda

    >

    Yadda

    > You're working with a text file, myman, so git outta DW3 and into something you can fire up a global search and replace with a regular expression (DW3 does it, but I don't remember if it does regular expressions). --Check out TextPad (http://www.textpad.com/) for one option (read up on the help for regular expressions, its pretty straightforward). Hope that helps you get thinking sgd From eric at ohmforce.com Fri May 25 10:40:29 2001 From: eric at ohmforce.com (Eric Cestari) Date: Fri May 25 10:40:29 2001 Subject: [thelist] JavaScript Newbie help - targeting links References: Message-ID: <014701c0e530$5b3d2a60$9701a8c0@fr> Hi Chris, For your first question Check out http://www.ohmforce.com/ (I know I am shameless :) The MyOhmForce link in the menubar is exactly what you are looking for. Feel free to rip the JavaScript out of it. Cheers, Eric ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Johnston > browser window. Currently I am working on the JavaScript for this little > trick. I have the window popping up with two links in it. What I want to > have happen is when the person picks one of the two links, the little window > closes and the section that they have selected to go to appears in the main > window. Unfortunately, I am not sure how to do this. Help please. From bheerssen at visualbridge.tv Fri May 25 10:45:59 2001 From: bheerssen at visualbridge.tv (Bruce Heerssen) Date: Fri May 25 10:45:59 2001 Subject: [thelist] FP Question In-Reply-To: <002601c0e4b6$0ecd72e0$010a0a0a@vc.shawcable.net> Message-ID: FP extensions allow the MS FrontPage editor to communicate with an IIS web server. They allow directory level authentications for the purpose of uploading new content. They also seem to do other things like make backups automatically. FrontPage is generally considered a newbie's editor. From http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/languages/fp/2000/RPC.asp: "The FrontPage server extensions are a set of programs on a Web server that support administering, authoring, and browsing a FrontPage Web site. A client application [read: FrontPage 2000] communicates with the FrontPage server extensions using the FrontPage server extensions' Client/Server Protocol, also called the remote procedure call (RPC) protocol. This protocol governs the exchange of information between a client and the server extensions. This communications protocol is layered on top of the same HTTP protocol that Web browsers use to interact with a Web server." In my opinion, you're probably better off just sticking with ftp. HTH - Bruce > > > Apparently, my host supports "Frontpage 2000 Extensions" and it "comes > installed on your site and ready to be logged into." However, I > have no clue > to what that is... Can anybody fill me in please? > > Thanks in advance. > > > --------------------------------------- > For unsubscribe and other options, including > the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: > http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From sgd at ti3.com Fri May 25 10:50:14 2001 From: sgd at ti3.com (Scott Dexter) Date: Fri May 25 10:50:14 2001 Subject: [thelist] FP Question Message-ID: <8C8B8745C0FE7A43BFA6CABAB3211172492DFA@gate.ti3.com> > FP extensions allow the MS FrontPage editor to communicate > with an IIS web > server. They allow directory level authentications for the purpose of > uploading new content. They also seem to do other things like > make backups > automatically. > > FrontPage is generally considered a newbie's editor. > Just to add fluff here, InterDev uses the FP extensions to upload/manage content as well. (and InterDev ain't no novice editor) das all sgd From chris at completeimaging.com Fri May 25 10:55:34 2001 From: chris at completeimaging.com (Chris Johnston) Date: Fri May 25 10:55:34 2001 Subject: [thelist] JavaScript Newbie help - targeting links In-Reply-To: <014701c0e530$5b3d2a60$9701a8c0@fr> Message-ID: Thanks, But I can't actually find any JavaScript that closes the little window and targets the new link to the main window. Plus, I don't read French, so it is rather hard to follow the comments in your code. anybody else? > -----Original Message----- > > Hi Chris, > For your first question > Check out http://www.ohmforce.com/ (I know I am shameless :) > The MyOhmForce link in the menubar is exactly what you are looking for. > Feel free to rip the JavaScript out of it. > > Cheers, > Eric > From joshua at alphashop.net Fri May 25 10:57:04 2001 From: joshua at alphashop.net (Joshua OIson) Date: Fri May 25 10:57:04 2001 Subject: [thelist] FP Question References: <8C8B8745C0FE7A43BFA6CABAB3211172492DFA@gate.ti3.com> Message-ID: <02e101c0e533$b9b53fd0$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> Just to add even more flush, ColdFusion studio uses a similar technology, RDS, for file management. It's uses HTTP to handle files and directory. It's not a perfect implementation by far, but it is workable. I found an FTP client that I like very much, and have been using it a few days. It's called Internet Neighborhood from deerfield. http://in.deerfield.com I'm very happy with it's speed so far. It sticks itself into Windows Explorer and I haven't seen it lock-up or fail yet. The only odd thing I've seen it on one particular FTP connection, the folders are not behaving as folders, but as screwy files. But, since it is only on particular site, I think it's an anomaly in the FTP server. -joshua ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Dexter" Subject: RE: [thelist] FP Question : Just to add fluff here, InterDev uses the FP extensions to upload/manage : content as well. (and InterDev ain't no novice editor) : : das all : sgd From crawford_phil at hotmail.com Fri May 25 10:58:39 2001 From: crawford_phil at hotmail.com (phil crawford) Date: Fri May 25 10:58:39 2001 Subject: [thelist] dreamweaver text input Message-ID: I think if you hit ctrl-shift-v it will paste your yadda's inside

    tags -phil >From: Mark Rogers >Reply-To: thelist at lists.evolt.org >To: "evolt.org list" >Subject: [thelist] dreamweaver text input >Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 08:31:12 -0700 > >Judging by the replies, I wasn't clear in earlier message. > >I want to copy text from a word processor that looks like this: > >Yadda (return) >(return) >Yadda (return) >(return) >Yadda (return) >(return) > >And paste it into Dreamweaver 3. When I do, it looks like this: > >

    >Yadda
    >Yadda
    >Yadda >

    > >But I want it to look like this: > >

    Yadda

    >

    Yadda

    >

    Yadda

    > >Sorry if I'm asking something obvious. It's just got me stumped. Thanks for >any help. > >Mark Rogers > > >--------------------------------------- >For unsubscribe and other options, including >the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: >http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From k.smith at tatnet.com Fri May 25 11:04:50 2001 From: k.smith at tatnet.com (Kevin Smith) Date: Fri May 25 11:04:50 2001 Subject: [thelist] JavaScript Newbie help - targeting links In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > What I want to > have happen is when the person picks one of the two links, the little window > closes and the section that they have selected to go to appears in the main > window.
    -- kevin c smith tatnet, inc. e: k.smith at tatnet.com t: 410.571.9462 f: 410.571.9442 From noah at tookish.net Fri May 25 11:06:45 2001 From: noah at tookish.net (noah) Date: Fri May 25 11:06:45 2001 Subject: [thelist] JavaScript Newbie help - targeting links In-Reply-To: References: <014701c0e530$5b3d2a60$9701a8c0@fr> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010525120148.009ecd90@tookish.net> >But I can't actually find any JavaScript that closes the little window and >targets the new link to the main window. Plus, I don't read French, so it is >rather hard to follow the comments in your code. I'm no javascript guru, but I'll put this here in hopes that the gurus will let me (and you) know if it's bad. It works, though. The function is: function changeonclose(location) { window.opener.location.href=location; parent.close(); } and it's called by: a href="javascript:changeonclose('blah.shtml')" (tag thingies omitted so that this doesn't get flagged as html mail) Cheers, Noah From mwarden at odyssey-design.com Fri May 25 11:08:20 2001 From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Fri May 25 11:08:20 2001 Subject: [thelist] Form Mail References: <20010525111031-r01010600-fffda254@10.0.0.15> Message-ID: <01bf01c0e534$d4e6f5e0$93ac1b18@patk3mzsmhxpqb> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > > excuse me, I might be saying something silly... but using > > target="new-window-name" in the tag forces the browser to > > open a new window with that name- right? Is this javascript? Is > > it compatible with v2 browsers? > > You're right, but the problem of opening a pop-up window is not > just getting the thing open. If you want *any* control over the > dimensions and position of the window then you have to use > Javascript, because there's no way to control how and where a > window is opened with target="new_window". A pop-up window which is > full-screen doesn't really help anyone... Plus, you have to use client-side script to close it anyway. And, if you open a window with anything other than client-side script, when you attempt to close it with client-side script, many (if not all) browsers will present the user with an alert similar to "The application is attempting to close the current window. Will you allow it? [Yes] [No]" which is ugly and sounds worse to the user than it really is. hth, - -- mattwarden mattwarden.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOw6DTHgH0dUmEhrcEQLzJACggHiZX0nUKXke4Q6IjJB0mONhoT0An3aY 7ssrsf66id+zp7cwkK7AvxDL =q+Bx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From eric at ohmforce.com Fri May 25 11:09:05 2001 From: eric at ohmforce.com (Eric Cestari) Date: Fri May 25 11:09:05 2001 Subject: [thelist] JavaScript Newbie help - targeting links References: Message-ID: <019101c0e534$5d277160$9701a8c0@fr> > anybody else? No. As I can get to cut and paste my own code, here it is. Eric From Ron_Senykoff at BEAEROSPACE.COM Fri May 25 11:12:45 2001 From: Ron_Senykoff at BEAEROSPACE.COM (Ron_Senykoff at BEAEROSPACE.COM) Date: Fri May 25 11:12:45 2001 Subject: [thelist] JavaScript Newbie help - targeting links Message-ID: <85256A57.0058F671.00@corpsmtpout.beaerospace.com> Think you need .href in there... also, the javascript works better cross-browser when placed in the href... Click Here to Close and in the Untested, but should work. Let me know if you have problems... -Ron S. From seth.bienek at sbti.com Fri May 25 11:15:35 2001 From: seth.bienek at sbti.com (Seth Bienek) Date: Fri May 25 11:15:35 2001 Subject: [thelist] Microsoft, AOL ink Windows pact Message-ID: "The five-year contract between the two companies that guaranteed AOL prominent placing on Microsoft?s Windows operating system in exchange for exclusive support for Internet Explorer on AOL?s online service expired in January." http://www.msnbc.com/news/578362.asp Where does this leave Netscape? Is this news to anyone else? Seth ------------------------------ Seth Bienek Solutions Development Manager Stonebridge Technologies, Inc. 972.455.7294 tel 972.404.9754 fax ICQ #7673959 ------------------------------ From chris at completeimaging.com Fri May 25 11:25:45 2001 From: chris at completeimaging.com (Chris Johnston) Date: Fri May 25 11:25:45 2001 Subject: [thelist] JavaScript Newbie help - targeting links In-Reply-To: <85256A57.0058F671.00@corpsmtpout.beaerospace.com> Message-ID: Thank you to all, both suggestion worked perfectly. I went with a slightly modified version of the function code and added the ability to pass the page to be linked to as an argument in the function call. Once again, thanks Chris From charliel at infohwy.com Fri May 25 11:26:40 2001 From: charliel at infohwy.com (Charlie Llewellin) Date: Fri May 25 11:26:40 2001 Subject: [thelist] mod_rewrite hell References: <4.3.2.20010525162210.00b6d940@mail.vardus.net> Message-ID: <007601c0e548$0a9ad860$6e202fc0@emmis.com> Yes... I was hoping to do it elegantly with mod_rewrite My equally hacky quickfix is to change referring urls from cities.php?city=houston to cities.php/city=houston which mod_rewrite handles fine I'm redesigning a whole section (for more adspace, of course) and parsing everything through page.php for ease of maintenance, etc, etc. I'll probably end up doing somehting like Peter mentions > Somewhat hacky, but you could get the REQUEST_URI in de code in page.php, > and parse everything after the ? out, and then there's a function to parse > that in PHP. parse_querystring() or something. > I said it, somewhat hacky. > Peter From rinaldi at ihwy.com Fri May 25 11:30:05 2001 From: rinaldi at ihwy.com (Laura J. Rinaldi) Date: Fri May 25 11:30:05 2001 Subject: [thelist] dreamweaver text input In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 3:48 PM +0000 5/25/01, phil crawford wrote: >I think if you hit ctrl-shift-v it will paste your yadda's inside

    tags An on a Mac it's "cloverleaf, shift, v" Laura -- "When action grows unprofitable, gather information; when information grows unprofitable, sleep." ---Ursula K. Le Guin "The Left Hand of Darkness" (1969) From noah at tookish.net Fri May 25 11:30:25 2001 From: noah at tookish.net (noah) Date: Fri May 25 11:30:25 2001 Subject: [thelist] JavaScript Newbie help - targeting links In-Reply-To: <85256A57.0058F671.00@corpsmtpout.beaerospace.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010525122255.009ec4f0@tookish.net> > That's right - it should be self.close no idea why parent.close worked - in theory it should have closed the window that opened the pop-up, I think Cheers, Noah From cache at dowebs.com Fri May 25 11:38:55 2001 From: cache at dowebs.com (Keith Davis) Date: Fri May 25 11:38:55 2001 Subject: [thelist] Form Mail References: <200105250658.MAA04057@mother.deepalaya.org> Message-ID: <3B0E8B35.B10DC15E@dowebs.com> Ritwik Patra wrote: > Yes! We can manage with the PHP script. I was wondering whether the "pop up" thing and "close window" can be > used without java script. Since you said no...where do I find the script for this purpose? Another question....can there > be alternative ...Like if some has disabled java script ..Then he/she is provided with a simple format...I hope I am able > to explain my requirement. Please do mention about the required java script.... The javascript you should use for closing your emailer window goes in the body of the page that PHP will return after sending your email: only a javascript enabled browser will see it, barbarians who run around the web with javascript turned off will have to kill the window the old fashioned way with their axe, but that's their choice. As for opening the emailer window, the following will use the HTML target to open a full size window for those same barbarians. Those with javascript enabled will get a properly tailored and well mannered pop-up From pete at stan42.freeserve.co.uk Fri May 25 11:40:10 2001 From: pete at stan42.freeserve.co.uk (Peter Stansfield) Date: Fri May 25 11:40:10 2001 Subject: [thelist] PHP, include() and relative links Message-ID: <004d01c0e539$78f0afb0$8d0d260a@student1210> Could anyone tell me how to use absolute roots - if that's the right way of putting it - and the include command in PHP, or am I trying to do the impossible. I want to be able to include a file called template.php located in a files directory. I want this file to be included by several different files held in different directories. I thought this could be acheived using include("/file/template.php") but it doesn't seem to want to work. Please could someone show me the error of my ways. Many thanks in advance From Ron_Senykoff at BEAEROSPACE.COM Fri May 25 11:42:50 2001 From: Ron_Senykoff at BEAEROSPACE.COM (Ron_Senykoff at BEAEROSPACE.COM) Date: Fri May 25 11:42:50 2001 Subject: [thelist] OT: KABOOOOOOM (explosions are cool) Message-ID: <85256A57.005BB769.00@corpsmtpout.beaerospace.com> being friday, I felt we needed more explosions... explosions are cool BOOOOM! If you're new to web development, try do to as much as possible in a text editor. I started out this way and it has helped me greatly. If I had started with WYSIWYG and not learned how to code by hand, I wouldn't have landed a job working with JSPs and Servlets. I wasn't writing the JSPs or Servlets, but I worked on a team where I incorporated a look and feel into the dynamic pages. WYSIWYG won't do that so well... and now it opened up the world of ERP connectivity for me. BTW, I landed that first real job by putting Notepad on my resume. Sounds crazy, but the Java programmer in house picked up on it and they hired me. From Anthony at Baratta.com Fri May 25 11:45:20 2001 From: Anthony at Baratta.com (Anthony Baratta) Date: Fri May 25 11:45:20 2001 Subject: [thelist] mod_rewrite hell In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.20010525162210.00b6d940@mail.vardus.net> References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010525094348.02b4d908@baratta.com> Charlie... I found this, not sure if you seen it. http://httpd.apache.org/docs/mod/mod_rewrite.html Server-Variables: These are variables of the form %{ NAME_OF_VARIABLE } where NAME_OF_VARIABLE can be a string taken from the following list: connection & request: REMOTE_ADDR REMOTE_HOST REMOTE_USER REMOTE_IDENT REQUEST_METHOD SCRIPT_FILENAME PATH_INFO QUERY_STRING <<<<<<<<<<<<< AUTH_TYPE --- Anthony Baratta President Keyboard Jockeys From DonM at allensysgroup.com Fri May 25 11:51:52 2001 From: DonM at allensysgroup.com (Don Makoviney) Date: Fri May 25 11:51:52 2001 Subject: [thelist] MouseOver Table Cells Message-ID: <7BFA01703139D51192E100B0D0D0133E110412@usnapsmail.asg.com> That worked great! Thanks a bunch! Now, I have to ask. . . .is there any way to make the whole row a link? I can pull the link dynamically from a DB, but I don't fully understand the DOM (hey. . .gimme a break, I'm trying. . .)and not sure how that would be rendered. . . any thoughts? Thanks, Don M -----Original Message----- From: Joe Crawford [mailto:jcrawford at avencom.com] Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 11:21 AM To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: Re: [thelist] MouseOver Table Cells on 5/25/2001 7:40 AM, Don Makoviney at DonM at allensysgroup.com wrote: > I am mousing over table cells and changing the colors like this in ASP: > > Response.Write ("

    ") > > > However, instead of hardcoding these colors in like I have above, I would > like to specify these colors in a CSS file, but I am having a hard time > finding the equivalent way to do it there. You can call this.style.className - then have the class name in your CSS which the page access (could be on the page, could be in a linked stylesheet). So you need whiteThing and yellowThing classes: I have something similar here: http://www.artlung.com/temp/tr-onmouseover-style.html But I really need to move it to http://www.artlung.com/lab/ somewhere. HTH, Joe -- Joe Crawford |||||||||||||| mailto:jcrawford at avencom.com |||||||||||||||||||||||| http://www.avencom.com ||||||||||||||||||||||||||| Avencom: Set Your Sites Higher --------------------------------------- For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From charliel at infohwy.com Fri May 25 11:55:42 2001 From: charliel at infohwy.com (Charlie Llewellin) Date: Fri May 25 11:55:42 2001 Subject: [thelist] mod_rewrite hell References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010525094348.02b4d908@baratta.com> Message-ID: <008401c0e54c$18249620$6e202fc0@emmis.com> A ha! Doh! etc.. If you've still got gifs as headlines floating around, take the time to get rid of them and set up styles. What you lose in font precision you will gain immensely in flexible layouts and ease of editing. > Charlie... > > I found this, not sure if you seen it. > > http://httpd.apache.org/docs/mod/mod_rewrite.html > > Server-Variables: These are variables of the form > > %{ NAME_OF_VARIABLE } > > where NAME_OF_VARIABLE can be a string taken from the following list: > > connection & request: > > REMOTE_ADDR > REMOTE_HOST > REMOTE_USER > REMOTE_IDENT > REQUEST_METHOD > SCRIPT_FILENAME > PATH_INFO > QUERY_STRING <<<<<<<<<<<<< > AUTH_TYPE From jcrawford at avencom.com Fri May 25 11:56:37 2001 From: jcrawford at avencom.com (Joe Crawford) Date: Fri May 25 11:56:37 2001 Subject: [thelist] Make a row a link (was: MouseOver Table Cells) In-Reply-To: <7BFA01703139D51192E100B0D0D0133E110412@usnapsmail.asg.com> Message-ID: on 5/25/2001 9:52 AM, Don Makoviney at DonM at allensysgroup.com wrote: > That worked great! Thanks a bunch! > > Now, I have to ask. . . .is there any way to make the whole row a link? > > I can pull the link dynamically from a DB, but I don't fully understand the > DOM (hey. . .gimme a break, I'm trying. . .)and not sure how that would be > rendered. . . any thoughts? I think something like: over and over just to create a simple table... All I wanted to say was that learning to code by hand will separate a web developer from the crowd... it's a stepping stone to bigger and better things. If you disagree with this, please respond as I would be interested in what you have to say. Best wishes, Ron "KABOOM" Senykoff From mwarden at odyssey-design.com Fri May 25 13:46:43 2001 From: mwarden at odyssey-design.com (Warden, Matt) Date: Fri May 25 13:46:43 2001 Subject: [thelist] OT: KABOOOOOOM (explosions are cool) References: <85256A57.005BB769.00@corpsmtpout.beaerospace.com> <200105251728.NAA14018@nitro.0wned.org> Message-ID: <006301c0e54b$2d000da0$7603020a@patk3mzsmhxpqb> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > Hmmm, YMMV there. People who put "notepad" on a resume don't > impress me at all, because notepad has no features. None. Yeah, of course, I don't know anyone who would put down the text editor they use to handcode on their resume. > I'm not talking about the latest wysiwyg whizz bang drag and drop, > I'm talking about simple things like syntax highlighting, You're right. Notepad doesn't have that. > indenting, I have a Tab key. > maybe some > further features like validation, There are web sources that are much better for this, especially if you're coding in a server-side scripting language. > code completion. Oh god no! > These are things that help you work faster, because they help you > work smarter. This is just your opinion. The only thing I agree with you on is the syntax highlighting. Everything else is stuff you have to get used to (like code completion and indenting). This stuff slows me down becuase my brain automatically tells my hand to add another tab in there after I write an if conditional line. > I agree a text editor will teach you to look at your markup in an > entirely different way than a wysiwyg editor, but that should be a > text editor that helps you, not hinders you. Notepad is the > editor of choice for masochists Maybe. Though please take into account that the more "features" a text editor has, the more of a learning curve it has. That's the main reason I've never gone into any time of WYSIWYG editor even for prototyping: I can always do it faster by hand than learning how to do it in the WYSIWYG editor. UltraEdit is my editory of choice and the only reason I use it is for auto-indent (not what you were mentioning above -- autoindent here is: text starts after two Tabs. When I hit enter my cursor will go to the next line after two tabs like this It's all about personal preference and how much you like your editor fux0ring with how you type and how you code. It only increases productivity when you expect what it does. And, especially with the newer version of Notepad in Win2k, it's an OK editor. > Emacs (+ psgml mode), vi, (both freely available on platforms > you've probably never even heard of) or the more traditional > Windows HomeSite and Mac BBEdit - those will get my attention. > Notepad on the other hand, does not. Personally, I would look more to the work they've accomplished with their editor of choice rather than the editor itself. - -- mattwarden mattwarden.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOw6oxHgH0dUmEhrcEQLxEACdGgtm4HQ2J5PtFa6eJDYmMRCZcz0An1LK 4UXtbj8u89vbRVjsQwq7o5u0 =wMKP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From doshea at surfree.com Fri May 25 13:48:08 2001 From: doshea at surfree.com (Daniel S. O'Shea) Date: Fri May 25 13:48:08 2001 Subject: [thelist] FP Question In-Reply-To: <002601c0e4b6$0ecd72e0$010a0a0a@vc.shawcable.net> Message-ID: To run FP, you must use their extensions. They allow the full features that come with Frontpage. Any and all references that run 'webbots' like 'hover' links and such need these extensions. Uploading needs these extensions. To run the FP Database wizard needs these extensions. If you have FP97, you need extensions for 97. FP98, 98 and FP2000, you need 2000. Almost all host servers have all three installed knowing FP97, 98 is still used. If you upload using ftp, their are some directories you may overlook that were created in your web pages or added to, you may miss. Then the feature won't work. > -----Original Message----- > From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org > [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Mutes > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 9:00 PM > To: thelist at lists.evolt.org > Subject: [thelist] FP Question > > > Apparently, my host supports "Frontpage 2000 Extensions" and it "comes > installed on your site and ready to be logged into." However, I > have no clue > to what that is... Can anybody fill me in please? > > Thanks in advance. > > > --------------------------------------- > For unsubscribe and other options, including > the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: > http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! > > From jay.blanchard at thermon.com Fri May 25 13:53:45 2001 From: jay.blanchard at thermon.com (J. Blanchard) Date: Fri May 25 13:53:45 2001 Subject: [thelist] OT: KABOOOOOOM (explosions are cool) Message-ID: <200105251853.f4PIrf531267@leo.evolt.org> >Hmmm, YMMV there. People who put "notepad" on a resume >don't impress me at all, because notepad has no features. >None. So you must have features in order to write/edit code? >I'm not talking about the latest wysiwyg whizz bang drag >and drop, I'm talking about simple things like syntax >highlighting, indenting, maybe some further features like >validation, code completion. When I began "writing code" by punching holes in cards syntax highlighting, indenting, and further features were awefully handy. Imagine my disdain when I got my hands on a text editor on a monochrome monitor. >These are things that help you work faster, because they >help you work smarter. I do the majority of my work in >SGML and XML, and the same goes for those. Are SGML and XML editors? Or did you pass an incomplete idea here? >I agree a text editor will teach you to look at your >markup in an entirely different way than a wysiwyg editor, >but that should be a text editor that helps you, not >hinders you. Notepad is the editor of choice for >masochists and people woh Again, an incomplete thought here? But, Notepad is the editor of choice for some (emphasis on 'is'). >Emacs (+ psgml mode), vi, (both freely available on >platforms you've probably never even heard of) or the more >traditional Windows HomeSite and Mac BBEdit - those will >get my attention. Notepad on the other hand, does not. How do you know that this person has not heard of UNIX or Linux or AIX or BSD? Homesite traditional? Notepad would be traditional as far as Windows is concerned as it has been in every Windows release, where Homesite (I use the not so fancy version of Homesite - v1.2, released about 5 years ago)has not been around as long. Code by hand, in any editor, anywhere, anytime. WRIRE code, code, and more code. Don't worry about the features, worry about the code. Learn to indent and comment properly, in that you will learn where to search for syntax errors and become more intuitive in your coding. Document and comment that which you have written, for someone with a fancier editor may come along and still not be able to discern what you have done without it...but the color code will sure look good. Jay Blanchard ___________________________________________________________________________ Visit http://www.visto.com/info, your free web-based communications center. Visto.com. Life on the Dot. From r937 at interlog.com Fri May 25 13:57:34 2001 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Fri May 25 13:57:34 2001 Subject: [thelist] Re: [offlist] OT: KABOOOOOOM (explosions are cool) Message-ID: <01c0e54c$8fe68ba0$524b149a@rudy> >Yeah, of course, I don't know anyone who would put down the text >editor they use to handcode on their resume. i put it into my site's meta tags -- this, of course, is a totally fictitious piece of software, and refers instead to my good self using a text editor (PFE, no syntax highlighting, but a killer s&r feature) today seems the day for offlist comments, eh rudy From sgd at ti3.com Fri May 25 13:58:44 2001 From: sgd at ti3.com (Scott Dexter) Date: Fri May 25 13:58:44 2001 Subject: [thelist] Re: [offlist] OT: KABOOOOOOM (explosions are cool) Message-ID: <8C8B8745C0FE7A43BFA6CABAB3211172492E02@gate.ti3.com> I use FrontPage!! sgd > -----Original Message----- > From: rudy [mailto:r937 at interlog.com] > > content="WebHackerPro(tm) Version 5.937" /> > From Ron.Luther at COMPAQ.com Fri May 25 13:59:54 2001 From: Ron.Luther at COMPAQ.com (Luther, Ron) Date: Fri May 25 13:59:54 2001 Subject: [thelist] OT: KABOOOOOOM (explosions are cool) Message-ID: <8958135993102D479F1CA2351F370A060145F125@cceexc17.americas.cpqcorp.net> Personally, I would look more to the work they've accomplished with their editor of choice rather than the editor itself. +1. One additional note on NotePad ... if you're across the hall or across the planet trying to help someone 'de-munge' some code ... you can pretty much count on NotePad being available [on a Win-whatever platform anyway] ... these folks may not want you to download "furrin" editors onto their system or they may not want to wait to tackle the problem until you've run down to the local software shoppe, bought something, and come back to install it. In those cases NotePad can be pretty darn handy. Not that I'd put it on my resume. RonL. From cvos at netpaths.net Fri May 25 14:05:24 2001 From: cvos at netpaths.net (Cayley Vos) Date: Fri May 25 14:05:24 2001 Subject: [thelist] re: PHP, include() and relative links Message-ID: <3B0EAD0F.45393F0C@netpaths.net> another option that gives more flexibility: Cayley Vos, Principal 360.714.8395 office 360.223.7799 cell http://NetPaths.net _______________________________ web design | e-commerce | i-marketing From mike at tokenzone.com Fri May 25 14:06:14 2001 From: mike at tokenzone.com (Michael Stevens) Date: Fri May 25 14:06:14 2001 Subject: [thelist] Re: [offlist] OT: KABOOOOOOM (explosions are cool) In-Reply-To: <8C8B8745C0FE7A43BFA6CABAB3211172492E02@gate.ti3.com> Message-ID: -----Original Message----- >From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org >[mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Scott Dexter >Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 2:59 PM >To: 'thelist at lists.evolt.org' >Subject: RE: [thelist] Re: [offlist] OT: KABOOOOOOM >I use FrontPage!! I'm sorry. ;) From michael at tdh-marketing.com Fri May 25 14:06:19 2001 From: michael at tdh-marketing.com (Michael Goddard) Date: Fri May 25 14:06:19 2001 Subject: [thelist] Banner - Advertising Pricing References: <20010525172505.078E3CA4@relay.evolt.org> Message-ID: <000c01c0e54d$b2ae8c40$4b01a8c0@michael> I am researching on pricing schemes for banner placement, text-links and other forms of online advertisments for a client who will be selling advertising space on their web site for businesses within the community. So far, I have found a ton of information on the different types of advertising banners and programs, however I have yet to find any conclusive pricing scheme. Anyone have any ideas where to look? Any suggestions or comments. Thank you, Michael Goddard - CIW Associate Internet Developer/Programmer TDH Marketing & Communications, Inc. 8153 Garnet Drive Dayton, Ohio 45458 Phone: 937-438-3434 Fax: 937-438-3453 E-Mail: michael at tdh-marketing.com From djc at starkmedia.com Fri May 25 14:11:04 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Fri May 25 14:11:04 2001 Subject: [thelist] Was OT "KABOOOOOOM", now "Let's argue about Notepad" References: <85256A57.0066DBCF.00@corpsmtpout.beaerospace.com> Message-ID: <3B0EAB75.7829B867@starkmedia.com> Lets relax.. I don't think Lauri meant it as a personal attack on anyone.. she probably didn't mean "you've" as in you Ron, but more in the abstract sense like "Hey you guys!" its friday, lets all have a good time and love eachother.. peace Some people use pings and traceroutes as the final say in whether a site is up or down.. Don't rely on them cus many firewalls block out the ICMP protocol which traceroute and ping both rely on. .djc. Ron_Senykoff at BEAEROSPACE.COM wrote: > dictionaries and macros... yes, I have heard of and used VI on UNIX. I'm sorry > that you had to comment that it's "freely available on platforms you've probably > never even heard of." This is a personal attack and I must say these types of > statements are not welcome on [thelist]. From r937 at interlog.com Fri May 25 14:13:39 2001 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Fri May 25 14:13:39 2001 Subject: [thelist] Re: [offlist] OT: KABOOOOOOM (explosions are cool) Message-ID: <01c0e54e$d14454e0$524b149a@rudy> > today seems the day for offlist comments, eh i wish ;o( my apologies, everyone less haste, more speed most windows systems will have the .htm extension associated with a browser, so for a neat way to bring these files up in your editor of choice (assuming you aren't a drag-and-drop afficionado), put a shortcut to your editor(s) in the Send To folder, then right-click the file in windows explorer... works great on other file types, too -- for example, if i just want to quickly grab the dimensions of an image while writing my img tag, i'll often just send the image to netscape 3 and read the dimensions off the title bar... rudy From sgd at ti3.com Fri May 25 14:21:14 2001 From: sgd at ti3.com (Scott Dexter) Date: Fri May 25 14:21:14 2001 Subject: [thelist] Re: [offlist] OT: KABOOOOOOM (explosions are cool) Message-ID: <8C8B8745C0FE7A43BFA6CABAB3211172492E04@gate.ti3.com> I too, will pay for my sin (posting without at tip) If you've gone in and tweaked your IIS4 config, when you upgrade to win2k/IIS5, it will notice and *retain* those settings. If you're not confident whether or not IIS5 default settings are better (I'd say they are, 80% of the time; MS went and pre-tweaked IIS5), you can delete the metabase (\winnt\system32\inetsrv\metabase.bin), or do a fresh install (not an upgrade) sgd > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Dexter [mailto:sgd at ti3.com] > > I use FrontPage!! > > From cvos at netpaths.net Fri May 25 14:21:49 2001 From: cvos at netpaths.net (Cayley Vos) Date: Fri May 25 14:21:49 2001 Subject: [thelist] phplib template Message-ID: <3B0EB0EC.68BCFC1@netpaths.net> Has anyone created, or knows someone who has made a good working version out of phplib template? I have seen FastTemplate, but that seems outdated, and smarty template requires PHP 4.05 and I only have access to 4.03. Im looking for a good jump start on the project so I dont have to start from scratch, best -- Cayley Vos, Principal 360.714.8395 office 360.223.7799 cell http://NetPaths.net _______________________________ web design | e-commerce | i-marketing From Ron_Senykoff at BEAEROSPACE.COM Fri May 25 14:27:00 2001 From: Ron_Senykoff at BEAEROSPACE.COM (Ron_Senykoff at BEAEROSPACE.COM) Date: Fri May 25 14:27:00 2001 Subject: [thelist] Re: traceroutes Message-ID: <85256A57.006AC05C.00@corpsmtpout.beaerospace.com> Some people use pings and traceroutes as the final say in whether a site is up or down.. Don't rely on them cus many firewalls block out the ICMP protocol which traceroute and ping both rely on. What tools do you all recommend for checking your servers? -Ron S. From matt at sweetillusions.org Fri May 25 14:31:25 2001 From: matt at sweetillusions.org (matt newell) Date: Fri May 25 14:31:25 2001 Subject: [thelist] Re: traceroutes References: <85256A57.006AC05C.00@corpsmtpout.beaerospace.com> Message-ID: <01fb01c0e551$5cf4c270$6900000a@tendocom.org> to see if the domain has dns/routing/reponses, use nslookup or dig from a command prompt. combined with a ping or two for response times. ping is still the default first check item to see if a site or ip is responding. if it doesnt respond, move on to dig and traceroutes. you can query your mail servers with a simple: telnet mail.yourserver.com 25 (look up smtp commands in a search engine) don't always depend on a whois .. more than ping, as a whois can have old or outdated information (such as after a dns change or the like) .. matt .. www.sweetillusions.org .. matt at sweetillusions.org .. in our madness evermore we rave - chaucer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 12:28 PM Subject: [thelist] Re: traceroutes : : : : : Some people use pings and traceroutes as the final say in whether a site is up : or down.. Don't rely on them cus many firewalls block out the ICMP : protocol which traceroute and ping both rely on. : : : : What tools do you all recommend for checking your servers? : : : : -Ron S. : : : : --------------------------------------- : For unsubscribe and other options, including : the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: : http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! : From rthigpen at nc.rr.com Fri May 25 14:32:00 2001 From: rthigpen at nc.rr.com (Ron Thigpen) Date: Fri May 25 14:32:00 2001 Subject: [thelist] Was OT "KABOOOOOOM", now "Let's argue about Notepad" References: <85256A57.0066DBCF.00@corpsmtpout.beaerospace.com> Message-ID: <3B0EB352.E8F96680@nc.rr.com> TextPad is not free software. The current price is $27 USD for a single-user license. And worth every penny in my estimation. See: Hey, could we not have a "my editor is better than your editor" war today? It's a personal choice after all. --rt Ron_Senykoff at BEAEROSPACE.COM wrote: > I currently use TextPad because it's free... From djc at starkmedia.com Fri May 25 14:33:45 2001 From: djc at starkmedia.com (Daniel J. Cody) Date: Fri May 25 14:33:45 2001 Subject: [thelist] Re: traceroutes References: <85256A57.006AC05C.00@corpsmtpout.beaerospace.com> Message-ID: <3B0EB0C5.BDBE2001@starkmedia.com> I recommend a third party system(either yours or someone elses) that sits on a *different* network than the one you're checking and makes X amount of HTTP requests a day(for webservers) This checks for network connectivity and for the webserver software itself being up and accepting requests. If you're just pinging or trace'ing, you're only checking network connectivity.. After all, the machine might still be up and fine, but the websever may have crashed... .djc. Ron_Senykoff at BEAEROSPACE.COM wrote: > > > > Some people use pings and traceroutes as the final say in whether a site is up > or down.. Don't rely on them cus many firewalls block out the ICMP > protocol which traceroute and ping both rely on. > > > > What tools do you all recommend for checking your servers? From ronwhite at members.evolt.org Fri May 25 14:39:55 2001 From: ronwhite at members.evolt.org (Ron White) Date: Fri May 25 14:39:55 2001 Subject: [thelist] Re: traceroutes In-Reply-To: <85256A57.006AC05C.00@corpsmtpout.beaerospace.com> Message-ID: For your own and on a constant basis - WhatsUp Gold. For quick checks nmap of which there is now an NT version: http://www.eeye.com/html/Research/Tools/nmapNT.html Other Open Source UnixToNT ported tools: http://security.oreilly.com/news/securingnt2_1200.html Thanks, Ron White >What tools do you all recommend for checking your servers? From bheerssen at visualbridge.tv Fri May 25 14:47:10 2001 From: bheerssen at visualbridge.tv (Bruce Heerssen) Date: Fri May 25 14:47:10 2001 Subject: [thelist] FP Question In-Reply-To: <8C8B8745C0FE7A43BFA6CABAB3211172492DFA@gate.ti3.com> Message-ID: > Just to add fluff here, InterDev uses the FP extensions to upload/manage > content as well. (and InterDev ain't no novice editor) > > das all > sgd > I did not know that. Guess I shouldn't be surprised. I've used interdev once or twice, and no it ain't for novices. -Bruce From Ron_Senykoff at BEAEROSPACE.COM Fri May 25 14:47:25 2001 From: Ron_Senykoff at BEAEROSPACE.COM (Ron_Senykoff at BEAEROSPACE.COM) Date: Fri May 25 14:47:25 2001 Subject: [thelist] Re: traceroutes Message-ID: <85256A57.006C9F55.00@corpsmtpout.beaerospace.com> Thanks all for the suggestions. A third-party that came very well recommended is http://www.redalert.com/ Anyone ever deal with them? Good/bad experiences? -Ron From razorwise at yahoo.com Fri May 25 14:50:25 2001 From: razorwise at yahoo.com (Sean Preston) Date: Fri May 25 14:50:25 2001 Subject: [thelist] PHP, querystring question, figured it out In-Reply-To: <20010525172503.95952.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20010525193744.4095.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> Figured it out. I needed ticks around my variable string. I didn't know that. I don't know if I'm the only one that doesn't. I'm learning the parser is a harsh mistress. *L* This should be a tip. Everyone have a safe Memorial day! And keep your code tight, the police might have roadblocks set up! *g* Later, Sean In PHP, be sure to put ticks around your variables when passing them in a query. $example = mysql_query("SELECT * FROM cars2 where vin= '$vin' " ,$db); __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From sgd at ti3.com Fri May 25 14:54:35 2001 From: sgd at ti3.com (Scott Dexter) Date: Fri May 25 14:54:35 2001 Subject: [thelist] Re: traceroutes Message-ID: <8C8B8745C0FE7A43BFA6CABAB3211172492E07@gate.ti3.com> We use a product called ipMonitor 6.0, it's pretty f*ing cool, http://mediahouse.com/ipmonitor sgd > -----Original Message----- > From: Daniel J. Cody [mailto:djc at starkmedia.com] > > I recommend a third party system(either yours or someone elses) that > If you're just pinging or trace'ing, you're only checking network > connectivity.. After all, the machine might still be up and fine, but > the websever may have crashed... From Anthony at Baratta.com Fri May 25 14:59:15 2001 From: Anthony at Baratta.com (Anthony Baratta) Date: Fri May 25 14:59:15 2001 Subject: [thelist] SSL Renewals Broken in II5 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010525125834.02bd2e98@baratta.com> NOTE to IIS5 users: There is a bug with IIS5 servers, and you won't be able to generate a renewal CSR automatically. You will see the following error: " PKCS#10 Error: __getitem__" when you renew your certificate. This is a bug in IIS 5 which has not yet been corrected by Microsoft. Unfortunately this problem cannot be corrected from our side, as it is a Microsoft related issue. Please contact them for any additional information. It will hopefully be corrected in SP2 according to Microsoft. Thawte has a work around posted here.... http://www.thawte.com/certs/server/keygen/msiis5/iisrenewal.html --- Anthony Baratta President Keyboard Jockeys From sgd at ti3.com Fri May 25 15:18:25 2001 From: sgd at ti3.com (Scott Dexter) Date: Fri May 25 15:18:25 2001 Subject: [thelist] SSL Renewals Broken in II5 Message-ID: <8C8B8745C0FE7A43BFA6CABAB3211172492E09@gate.ti3.com> Have you applied SP2 yet? It is out.... lemme know -- sgd > -----Original Message----- > From: Anthony Baratta [mailto:Anthony at Baratta.com] > Please contact them for any additional information. It will > hopefully be > corrected in SP2 according to Microsoft. > > Thawte has a work around posted here.... > > http://www.thawte.com/certs/server/keygen/msiis5/iisrenewal.html From ronwhite at members.evolt.org Fri May 25 15:22:10 2001 From: ronwhite at members.evolt.org (Ron White) Date: Fri May 25 15:22:10 2001 Subject: [thelist] SSL Renewals Broken in II5 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010525125834.02bd2e98@baratta.com> Message-ID: SP2 is out, I've installed it on my machine already... Thanks, Ron White From cache at dowebs.com Fri May 25 15:26:21 2001 From: cache at dowebs.com (Keith Davis) Date: Fri May 25 15:26:21 2001 Subject: [thelist] good practice META tags? References: <3B0E2644.8407.D26E8D6@localhost> Message-ID: <3B0EC086.D01BDCE2@dowebs.com> Thanks for the authoritative response deke!! > > On 24 May 2001, at 16:48, Keith Davis posted a message which said: > > Yeah. I can't see how you would use a meta tag to tell the browser to > > keep a certain image, or an external javascript, or an embedded cgi > > response out of the cache while caching the rest of the page. But, > > sending the Pragma: no-cache header along with those page components > > will do the trick. > > Tell me how you use ANY meta tag to prevent the caching > of only one component of the page! That's exactly what I said. A META tag cannot do that. But you can keep components from being pulled from the cache based on the LastModifiedDate of the component. That's what determines if an external javascript or an SSI is refreshed. The problem with that is when the js or ssi response is dynamically generated by a exe that has not in itself been modified. I've used a Pragma:no-cache on the assumption that the server would therefore not send a LastModifiedDate. With Apache, at least, the server can control whether an ssi will be cached by the browser by not sending a LastModifiedDate. I was hoping that Pragma:no-cache would accomplish the same thing for non-ssi dynamic components. You say that it can't do that though my experience was that it works, albeit unreliably from different servers. Do you know how to keep a LastModifiedDate from being sent for an external javascript? Hopefully without getting into the server's config, which is not always an option. As an alternative I've found that appending the component's file name with a query_string such as Put this javascript function on the visible page function move(Form){ for(i=0;i
    " & objItem & "" & Request.QueryString(objItem) & "
    onMouseOver=""this.style.backgroundColor='#ffffdd'"" > onMouseOut=""this.style.backgroundColor=''"">" & objItem & > "" & Request.QueryString(objItem) & "
    hello
    onMouseOver=""this.style.backgroundColor='#ffffdd'"" > onMouseOut=""this.style.backgroundColor=''"">" & objItem & > "" & Request.QueryString(objItem) & "
    hello
    ... -- not something I've tested, your mileage may vary. But that's something you'd have to test in browsers to rely on for your links. It's DOM and Browser and JavaScript dependent in the worst way. Forget your backwards compatibility. But it's kinda neat. - Joe -- Joe Crawford |||||||||||||| mailto:jcrawford at avencom.com |||||||||||||||||||||||| http://www.avencom.com ||||||||||||||||||||||||||| Avencom: Set Your Sites Higher From thesite at lists.evolt.org Fri May 25 11:57:07 2001 From: thesite at lists.evolt.org (thesite at lists.evolt.org) Date: Fri May 25 11:57:07 2001 Subject: [thelist] Headlines from evolt.org for May 24, 2001 Message-ID: <200105250446.XAA30764@poet.oracular.com> evolt.org headlines for May 24, 2001 Cold Fusion Master needed in Washington DC by: ahendricks http://evolt.org/article/headlines/23/10694/index.html Happy reading... the evolt.org admin team From Anthony at Baratta.com Fri May 25 11:58:42 2001 From: Anthony at Baratta.com (Anthony Baratta) Date: Fri May 25 11:58:42 2001 Subject: [thelist] PHP, include() and relative links In-Reply-To: <004d01c0e539$78f0afb0$8d0d260a@student1210> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010525095906.02aec128@baratta.com> At 09:40 AM 5/25/2001, you wrote: >Could anyone tell me how to use absolute roots - if that's the right way of >putting it - and the include command in PHP, or am I trying to do the >impossible. > >I want to be able to include a file called template.php located in a files >directory. I want this file to be included by several different files held >in different directories. I thought this could be acheived using >include("/file/template.php") but it doesn't seem to want to work. > >Please could someone show me the error of my ways. http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.virtual.php --- Anthony Baratta President Keyboard Jockeys From DonM at allensysgroup.com Fri May 25 11:59:32 2001 From: DonM at allensysgroup.com (Don Makoviney) Date: Fri May 25 11:59:32 2001 Subject: [thelist] Make a row a link (was: MouseOver Table Cells) Message-ID: <7BFA01703139D51192E100B0D0D0133E110414@usnapsmail.asg.com> Cool. I am on an Intranet and everyone has IE 5.5 or higher. So it should work great. Thanks again! DM -----Original Message----- From: Joe Crawford [mailto:jcrawford at avencom.com] Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 12:58 PM To: thelist at lists.evolt.org Subject: [thelist] Make a row a link (was: MouseOver Table Cells) on 5/25/2001 9:52 AM, Don Makoviney at DonM at allensysgroup.com wrote: > That worked great! Thanks a bunch! > > Now, I have to ask. . . .is there any way to make the whole row a link? > > I can pull the link dynamically from a DB, but I don't fully understand the > DOM (hey. . .gimme a break, I'm trying. . .)and not sure how that would be > rendered. . . any thoughts? I think something like:
    ... -- not something I've tested, your mileage may vary. But that's something you'd have to test in browsers to rely on for your links. It's DOM and Browser and JavaScript dependent in the worst way. Forget your backwards compatibility. But it's kinda neat. - Joe -- Joe Crawford |||||||||||||| mailto:jcrawford at avencom.com |||||||||||||||||||||||| http://www.avencom.com ||||||||||||||||||||||||||| Avencom: Set Your Sites Higher --------------------------------------- For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From pete at stan42.freeserve.co.uk Fri May 25 12:12:32 2001 From: pete at stan42.freeserve.co.uk (Peter Stansfield) Date: Fri May 25 12:12:32 2001 Subject: [thelist] PHP, include() and relative links References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010525095906.02aec128@baratta.com> Message-ID: <00a101c0e53d$dfdde180$8d0d260a@student1210> Thanks for the link, but I actually want the file to be included, and the php code contained to be executed. I'm hoping I'm making a fool of myself and will kick myself when I work out how to do it. The virtual command doesn't do what I'm after. From peter at vardus.com Fri May 25 12:15:47 2001 From: peter at vardus.com (Peter Van Dijck) Date: Fri May 25 12:15:47 2001 Subject: [thelist] PHP, include() and relative links In-Reply-To: <004d01c0e539$78f0afb0$8d0d260a@student1210> Message-ID: <4.3.2.20010525175329.02686a50@mail.vardus.net> >Please could someone show me the error of my ways. include works from your server root, not from your domain name root. So you probably have to do someting like include ("/www/htdocs/stuff/image.txt"); instead of include ("/stuff/image.txt"); the path (/www/htdocs/) depends on your provider. Peter ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://liga1.com building multiple language/culture websites http://poorbuthappy.editthispage.com online ethnology, up&down From peter at vardus.com Fri May 25 12:15:52 2001 From: peter at vardus.com (Peter Van Dijck) Date: Fri May 25 12:15:52 2001 Subject: [thelist] PHP, include() and relative links In-Reply-To: <004d01c0e539$78f0afb0$8d0d260a@student1210> Message-ID: <4.3.2.20010525175512.02677e70@mail.vardus.net> >I want to be able to include a file called template.php located in a files >directory. I want this file to be included by several different files held >in different directories. I thought this could be acheived using >include("/file/template.php") but it doesn't seem to want to work. tip: What I always do is define the path define (PATHTOROOT, "/www/server/htdocs/"); and then do all includes like this: include (PATHTOROOT . "/file/template.php"); Again, the path depends on your provider. You can probably find it out by FTP-ing and see what directories you get there before the htdocs publicly viewable one. Peter ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://liga1.com building multiple language/culture websites http://poorbuthappy.editthispage.com online ethnology, up&down From peter at vardus.com Fri May 25 12:16:00 2001 From: peter at vardus.com (Peter Van Dijck) Date: Fri May 25 12:16:00 2001 Subject: [thelist] MS-SQL vs. MySQL - was Front-end for MS-SQL? In-Reply-To: <3B0D422F.8937BCD6@acu.ac.uk> References: Message-ID: <4.3.2.20010525174501.026875c0@mail.vardus.net> >I forgot this! MySQL isn't really an enterprise level solution. It's >very stable, and (touch wood) I've never lost data with it. Lots of high >traffic websites (slashdot) use it, and for selecting it's very fast. It >does not, however, support transactions and it rebuilds its indices >after each insert/update. The question is, how enterprise level are you? I agree. However, Oracle's power comes with a price: it takes a lot more time to plan and set up a database with constraints, transactions and stuff. If you don't know very well what you're doing, there's no point. What I'm trying to say is: using Oracle in itself won't make for a better solution, using the strengths of Oracle will, but then you're talking a lot more work. Which can often better be spent working on the code, not the database. Most websites won't need it, some web applications will. Peter ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://liga1.com building multiple language/culture websites http://poorbuthappy.editthispage.com online ethnology, up&down From wolfboy69 at earthlink.net Fri May 25 12:18:32 2001 From: wolfboy69 at earthlink.net (Michael Wolfe) Date: Fri May 25 12:18:32 2001 Subject: [thelist] PHP, include() and relative links In-Reply-To: <004d01c0e539$78f0afb0$8d0d260a@student1210> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010525101658.00a86400@mail.earthlink.net> At 05:40 PM 5/25/01 +0100, you wrote: >Could anyone tell me how to use absolute roots - if that's the right way of >putting it - and the include command in PHP, or am I trying to do the >impossible. > >I want to be able to include a file called template.php located in a files >directory. I want this file to be included by several different files held >in different directories. I thought this could be acheived using >include("/file/template.php") but it doesn't seem to want to work. Peter, What I usually do is declare a variable that points to DOCUMENT_ROOT in a file called globals.php, which I include with every file. here's the code snippet Here's the line I include in all of my files: And then, when I want to use absolute references, I use something like this: ___________________ Michael Wolfe Senior Software Engineer http://www.ework.com mwolfe at ework.com From headlemur at qwest.net Fri May 25 12:22:43 2001 From: headlemur at qwest.net (the head lemur) Date: Fri May 25 12:22:43 2001 Subject: [thelist] weekend Humor Message-ID: <001b01c0e53e$401317a0$0b646464@qwest.net> Weekend Humor ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------ In order to keep the signal to noise ratio at it's excellent level, I would suggest the following terms and service agreement. 1. To post to our list, You must provide the following information: A. Your complete mailing address including all phone numbers. Copies of your phone bill and ISP payment records (originals Only-facsimiles will not be accepted) 2. Proof of Residence; A. Mortgage Closing Statement 1. we will examine this to see it you paid too much in closing costs, demonstrating your unsuitability for our community. If you paid too much what's to prevent you doing something stupid here? B. 8x12 Photos of your domicile (4 required- All four Sides) 1. Photos and unretouched jpgs. this information will be used by our profilers to determine your colorsense ( through exhaustive testing in cooperation with jakob nielson people with bad colorsense are more likely to say stupid things) C: An essay not to exceed 50 words as to why your imput is anything we may view with more than complete and utter contempt. D: Character References from 6 people of 'Known Good Virtue' divided equally between the two biological sexes. (we are not bigots ya know.) (This excludes immediate family members including first cousins married or not) E: Title to Your Car.(this is surety against trying to flee the internet during expulsion proceedings should such become necessary) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- These may seem a bit draconian but bear with me. Addressing and phone information information is critical for voice mail flaming during members sleeping periods for maximum return for mininum effort. I will be happy to call for you:) Apartment dwellers are known flight risks and have no ties to the community. They are also more likely to have spelling issues. The photographs will aliow us to send the towtruck with the bullhorn in the dead of night to pickup their car (which we have the title for) as well as being to wake them and their neighbors to explain the rules and regulations in excruciating detail. This can also be used as a marketing tool for increasing our membership. Imagine, we have woken up the miscreant, demonstrating our commitment to purity and clean posting, made the folks around them aware of the viper in their bosom, and can hand out applications forms to join. (okay this part might need a little polish, but the premise is sound) I was also thinking about a $5000 non refundable application fee for administration costs (split 50-50) which would help us make the list a better place. It could work! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------- the head lemur Web Standards http://www.webstandards.org Evolt.org http://www.evolt.org Lemurzone http://www.lemurzone.com From razorwise at yahoo.com Fri May 25 12:24:27 2001 From: razorwise at yahoo.com (Sean Preston) Date: Fri May 25 12:24:27 2001 Subject: [thelist] PHP, querystring question In-Reply-To: <00a101c0e53d$dfdde180$8d0d260a@student1210> Message-ID: <20010525172503.95952.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> My code, relating to this q, is shown below. I'm new at PHP and MySql and I was running through the WEBMONKEY TUTORIAL -->http://hotwired.lycos.com/webmonkey/99/21/index3a.html<-- and replacing it with my own database and whatnot. However, when I'm trying to do the query with this variable, $id (below) it gives me this error-->Warning: Supplied argument is not a valid MySQL result resource...<-- however, should I replace it with a literal value, id ='whatever', it pulls the query fine. I've been trying to figure this out for some time this morning and am at a loss. I've even done a printf on the $id. My understanding is that the name=value pair is automatically created here, that's what the tutorial said. I will appreciate any/all help on the understanding of what I thought should be a simple thing. *L* Sincerely, Sean (Remembering the simple days, when everyone had green screens...*g*) CODE FOLLOWS: if ($id) { $result = mysql_query("SELECT * FROM cars2 where id= $id" ,$db); $myrow = mysql_fetch_array($result); printf("Owner:%s\n
    ", $myrow["id"]); printf("Make: %s\n
    ", $myrow["make"]); printf("Model: %s\n
    ", $myrow["model"]); printf("Year: %s\n
    ", $myrow["year"]); printf($id); } else { // show car list $result = mysql_query("SELECT * FROM cars2",$db); if ($myrow = mysql_fetch_array($result)) { // display list if there are records to display do { printf("


    %s %s %s

    \n", $PHP_SELF,$myrow["id"],$myrow["make"], $myrow["model"], $myrow["year"]); } while ($myrow = mysql_fetch_array($result)); } else { // no records to display echo "Sorry, no records were found!"; } } ?> __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From lauri at subdimension.com Fri May 25 12:28:02 2001 From: lauri at subdimension.com (Lauri Watts) Date: Fri May 25 12:28:02 2001 Subject: [thelist] OT: KABOOOOOOM (explosions are cool) In-Reply-To: <85256A57.005BB769.00@corpsmtpout.beaerospace.com> References: <85256A57.005BB769.00@corpsmtpout.beaerospace.com> Message-ID: <200105251728.NAA14018@nitro.0wned.org> On Friday 25 May 2001 18:44, you wrote: > being friday, I felt we needed more explosions... explosions are cool > BOOOOM! > > > > If you're new to web development, try do to as much as possible in a text > editor. I started out this way and it has helped me greatly. If I > had started with WYSIWYG and not learned how to code by hand, I wouldn't > have landed a job working with JSPs and Servlets. I wasn't writing the > JSPs or Servlets, but I worked on a team where I incorporated a look and > feel into the dynamic pages. WYSIWYG won't do that so well... and now it > opened up the world of ERP connectivity for me. BTW, I landed that first > real job by putting Notepad on my resume. Sounds crazy, but the Java > programmer in house picked up on it and they hired me. > > Hmmm, YMMV there. People who put "notepad" on a resume don't impress me at all, because notepad has no features. None. I'm not talking about the latest wysiwyg whizz bang drag and drop, I'm talking about simple things like syntax highlighting, indenting, maybe some further features like validation, code completion. These are things that help you work faster, because they help you work smarter. I do the majority of my work in SGML and XML, and the same goes for those. I agree a text editor will teach you to look at your markup in an entirely different way than a wysiwyg editor, but that should be a text editor that helps you, not hinders you. Notepad is the editor of choice for masochists and people woh Emacs (+ psgml mode), vi, (both freely available on platforms you've probably never even heard of) or the more traditional Windows HomeSite and Mac BBEdit - those will get my attention. Notepad on the other hand, does not. -- Lauri Watts From joshua at alphashop.net Fri May 25 12:31:57 2001 From: joshua at alphashop.net (Joshua OIson) Date: Fri May 25 12:31:57 2001 Subject: [thelist] weekend Humor References: <001b01c0e53e$401317a0$0b646464@qwest.net> Message-ID: <005301c0e540$fe1a54a0$38360141@mrtnz1.ga.home.com> What? No mailing address to which I am to send these things?? Did you know that you can scroll ColdFusion Studio by simply holding down the Control key when you click an up or down arrow key. ----- Original Message ----- From: "the head lemur" Subject: [thelist] weekend Humor : Weekend Humor : -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- : ------------------------ : I was also thinking about a $5000 non refundable application fee for : administration costs (split 50-50) which would help us make the list a : better place. : : It could work! From pete at stan42.freeserve.co.uk Fri May 25 12:39:07 2001 From: pete at stan42.freeserve.co.uk (Peter Stansfield) Date: Fri May 25 12:39:07 2001 Subject: [thelist] PHP, include() and relative links References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010525101658.00a86400@mail.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <00c701c0e541$b4454f50$8d0d260a@student1210> I've kicked myself thoroughly now. Thanks a lot, it's been really irritating me for a while that little problem. I've used that workaround before too - why did it slip my mind this time? >> include($DOCUMENT_ROOT."/inc/globals.php"); Thanks again From ronwhite at members.evolt.org Fri May 25 12:51:33 2001 From: ronwhite at members.evolt.org (Ron White) Date: Fri May 25 12:51:33 2001 Subject: [thelist] JavaScript Newbie help - targeting links In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010525120148.009ecd90@tookish.net> Message-ID: >(tag thingies omitted so that this doesn't get flagged as html mail) No need to worry about this. As long as the e-mail's format is Plain Text, the alligator(angle) brackets won't get puked on by MajorGumbo. Thanks, Ron White From bobd at members.evolt.org Fri May 25 12:56:33 2001 From: bobd at members.evolt.org (Bob Davis) Date: Fri May 25 12:56:33 2001 Subject: [thelist] PHP, include() and relative links In-Reply-To: <004d01c0e539$78f0afb0$8d0d260a@student1210> Message-ID: <200105251757.f4PHv4620425@chmls20.mediaone.net> On Friday, May 25, 2001, at 12:40 PM, Peter Stansfield wrote: > I want to be able to include a file called template.php located in a > files > directory. I want this file to be included by several different files > held > in different directories. I thought this could be acheived using > include("/file/template.php") but it doesn't seem to want to work. > > Please could someone show me the error of my ways. I've used this: The thing is that PHP sees the root of the site differently than the server does. It looks at the absolute path on the server, and not the root as defined in, say, Apache. bob -- bob davis bobd at members.evolt.org From cache at dowebs.com Fri May 25 13:02:58 2001 From: cache at dowebs.com (Keith Davis) Date: Fri May 25 13:02:58 2001 Subject: [thelist] Photos References: <000201c0e300$698b0ec0$6c91883e@y3s2e7> <3B0B0093.1406.3DCDB2D6@localhost> <00f001c0e3cd$b47bffc0$6400a8c0@kjs> Message-ID: <3B0E9EE9.C59BADE2@dowebs.com> Kevin Stevens wrote: > > question. I had invisaged having a page with background and nav bar and > working out the code so that just the picture changes without re-loading the > whole page. > I could have fields for > the dimensions, alt tags, brief description etc. You can do a slide show all on one page using different images of different sizes, each displaying it own description etc. Just place each image-discription-etc display in a div and give it "hidden" visibility. Be sure to position each div in the same area so they are arranged in an invisible stack. Then list each div id in an array. When visitor clicks "next" loop through the array giving "hidden" to all divs and then end by giving "visible" to the next div in the array. Be sure to capture the array ordinal position of that image in a global variable so you can increment to "next" or decrement to "previous" on the next click. Ah, but you don't want all of those images to have to load with the page, you want them to load as they are called. No problem. In your div specify a 1 pixel transparency where the image goes and give the image a name. When you give the div "visibile" also do a rollover on that image name calling the real image from the server. Do not preload those images. This isn't as hard as it sounds. I do this a little differently at http://allidaho.com. There the visitor clicks an ad spot in one frame that sends the visible and rollover commands to a different frame. The point is, the ad billboard that loads in the other frame is in a div which takes visibility and rolls the image over to call the corresponding ad billboard off the server. You can toggle back and forth from billboard to billboard and it all happens without changing or reloading the page that the slide show takes place on. Although the entire tabset there is database driven that is not because a database is required for the slide show effect, the database exits so that the owner can change the ads and tabset parameters through his browser. keith From r937 at interlog.com Fri May 25 13:21:03 2001 From: r937 at interlog.com (rudy) Date: Fri May 25 13:21:03 2001 Subject: [thelist] MS-SQL vs. MySQL - was Front-end for MS-SQL? Message-ID: <01c0e547$50434b00$524b149a@rudy> > ... but then you're talking a lot more work. > Which can often better be spent working on the code, > not the database. hey, them's fightin words every five minutes spent designing a better database saves you five hours of pointless coding how's that? i agree with your comments about oracle (and other "industrial strength" database systems like sql/server and sybase) requiring time and attention to set up properly, but that's what the database administrator is supposed to do for you if the database has already been built, and/or for some reason you can't change the design, ask the database administrator to declare a custom view if, in every page where you extract data from a particular table, you have to stop and reformat the data yourself in the script (cold fusion, php, asp, what have you)... the reformatting goes into the view definition only once -- create view FriendlyTable (ID, FullName, PhoneNo, BirthDate) as select ID , trim(both,LastName) || case when trim(both,FirstName)='' then "" else ', ' || trim(both,FirstName) end , '(' || AreaCode || ') ' || Exchange || '-' || Phone , substring(cast(BirthDay as varchar(20)) from 1 to 10) from RawTable then all your script's queries can simply select the view's columns, which will have the format you want "built in" as it were -- select FullName, BirthDate from FriendlyTable order by BirthDate asc rudy From Ron_Senykoff at BEAEROSPACE.COM Fri May 25 13:44:28 2001 From: Ron_Senykoff at BEAEROSPACE.COM (Ron_Senykoff at BEAEROSPACE.COM) Date: Fri May 25 13:44:28 2001 Subject: [thelist] Was OT "KABOOOOOOM", now "Let's argue about Notepad" Message-ID: <85256A57.0066DBCF.00@corpsmtpout.beaerospace.com> Hmmm, YMMV there. People who put "notepad" on a resume don't impress me at all, because notepad has no features. None. I'm not talking about the latest wysiwyg whizz bang drag and drop, I'm talking about simple things like syntax highlighting, indenting, maybe some further features like validation, code completion. These are things that help you work faster, because they help you work smarter. I do the majority of my work in SGML and XML, and the same goes for those. I agree a text editor will teach you to look at your markup in an entirely different way than a wysiwyg editor, but that should be a text editor that helps you, not hinders you. Notepad is the editor of choice for masochists and people woh Emacs (+ psgml mode), vi, (both freely available on platforms you've probably never even heard of) or the more traditional Windows HomeSite and Mac BBEdit - those will get my attention. Notepad on the other hand, does not. -- Lauri Watts Lauri, I asked for explosions and that's what I got! :) BTW, I don't code in Notepad... in my tip is stated "try do to as much as possible in a text editor" ... not specifically Notepad. I currently use TextPad because it's free and I know the shortcut keys, etc. Downloadable dictionaries and macros... yes, I have heard of and used VI on UNIX. I'm sorry that you had to comment that it's "freely available on platforms you've probably never even heard of." This is a personal attack and I must say these types of statements are not welcome on [thelist]. I agree that people who only code in Notepad are most likely masochists. There is no reason to limit yourself. Take advantage of the tools offered. I hope that this is not how my message came across. I have and use Dreamweaver, when I need. I don't need to spend 30 minutes typing