> > what you might consider: >

> > why? because [i think] netscape will only reference an element by name, not > ID. so, put both in, and you'll keep more browsers happy. > > comment three: > you currently have: > onmouseout="hide('d3Div'); this.bgColor='#339900'" class="dropdTD1"> > link 1 > > what you might consider: > > onmouseout="hide('d3Div'); this.bgColor='#339900'" class="dropdTD1">link 1 > > why? because capturing events, like "onmouseover", is much more reliable > from within an than within a . > > HTH, > cheers, > nate > > > At 05:45 PM 9/6/2001 -0700, you wrote: > >Evolters, > > > >I just started playing around with DHTML, my firstborn works great in IE, > >but sux0rs on NS. > >Any of you feel like taking a peek and giving me some pointers as to what i > >need to do to get ma baby cross browser accessible ? (i don't have a clue > >...) > > > >http://www.sitekick.be/testarea/b3.html > > > >muchos gracias, jelle > > > > > >Jelle Desramaults > >www.sitekick.be > > > >--------------------------------------- > >For unsubscribe and other options, including > >the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: > >http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! > > > --------------------------------------- > For unsubscribe and other options, including > the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: > http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! > From kernel at esatclear.ie Mon Sep 10 04:46:23 2001 From: kernel at esatclear.ie (Ross Lynch) Date: Mon Sep 10 04:46:23 2001 Subject: [thelist] Finished, at last ! In-Reply-To: <015001c13964$d736f320$6400a8c0@kjs> Message-ID: > http://www.ratking.co.uk Home Page ========= 1. I'd make your navigation buttons rollovers. They look a little bit 90's static. 2. The pink text is difficult to read (it's moderatly sunny outside and there is some monitor glare, but I'd still increase the background/text contrast - same applies to some of the other pages too). FAQ === 1. .com, .net, .org are all the same price anywhere I've looked. 2. You're explaining what hosting is... if I had a band and wanted a site, to be honest, I really wouldn't care what hosting was. I think maybe your FAQ should take more of a "What is a website going to do for our band?", "Can people download our music?", "Can we update it with dates of gigs ourselves?", etc. kind of approach. All that technical stuff could really go in Terms and Conditions document that details exactly what the client will get. 3. "When you sign up with an ISP such as Freeserve you automatically receive some free web space and it will be cheaper to use this initially if you don't want me to host your site" You sound a bit on the desperate side there. If I was you, I'd decide how I'm going to do the site. Sort out your hosting, and offer that to your client. Don't start giving them cheaper options elsewhere. You're losing mark-up. Additionally, if they've got a Freeserve account, it's their business to bring it to your attention, not vice versa. 4. On the "who owns the website" issue, you might want to state that you own the copyright. 5. How do you justify 70 quid for a couple of pages? Seriously, it's like walking into a garage and having a salesperson tell you that you can have this brand spanking new car for ?500... 6. You shouldn't need to explain why your sites will be better than one's done for 30 quid with Frontpage. Your portfolio is there for that. 7. "Can we sell..." - don't talk about it later. If it's a service you're offering, sort out what it's about and get details of it on your site. 8. Issues regarding allowable content belong in Terms & Conditions. Furthermore, get the clients their own hosting so that you won't be sued. Domains ======= 1. "means that you own the name, not just rent it from a company." You can't buy a domain name; you can only rent it. I want a site ============= 1. Good form. Maybe find out more details about their band though... Links ===== 1. Maybe space out the links by a line or two. Hope this helps. Cheers, -Ross ____________________________________________________ ross lynch | me at rosslynch.com | +353 (0)87 9683368 ____________________________________________________ Nicht auf dem Teppich, Mann! From R.Livsey at cache-22.co.uk Mon Sep 10 04:51:16 2001 From: R.Livsey at cache-22.co.uk (R.Livsey) Date: Mon Sep 10 04:51:16 2001 Subject: [thelist] PHP coding help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <014b01c139de$0b546dd0$e2b2fea9@core> > Just a tip: your pad() function is really unnecessary, since > PHP already has the sprintf() function for this purpose. To > left-pad a string with zeros, you can use this: > > $id = sprintf("%05d", $id); > > > charles johnson > lgf web design > http://littlegreenfootballs.com > ooooh, good point! Cheers, will look into that some more. R.Livsey ------------------------------------------ Money Isn't Everything, But It Sure Keeps The Kids In Touch ------------------------------------------ Lead Programmer for the Tickle Group Freelance work always welcome [ PHP | Perl | mySQL | Java ] w : cache-22.co.uk e : R.Livsey at cache-22.co.uk m : +447764 685 701 i : 37530949 From webdad at tampabay.rr.com Mon Sep 10 08:33:38 2001 From: webdad at tampabay.rr.com (Bob Boisvert) Date: Mon Sep 10 08:33:38 2001 Subject: [thelist] Shopping cart extension Message-ID: <000501c139fd$7eac3a50$0200a8c0@BOISNET2> Hi all, Has anybody used the JustAddCommerce Shopping Cart Extension found on Macromedia's site? Are you satisfied with it? I'm thinking of downloading it, I may be needing a shopping cart soon for a client. Thanks, Bob --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.277 / Virus Database: 146 - Release Date: 9/5/01 From sgon at osceola.org Mon Sep 10 09:06:31 2001 From: sgon at osceola.org (Steven Gongage) Date: Mon Sep 10 09:06:31 2001 Subject: [thelist] Finished, at last ! Message-ID: As always, take this with a grain of salt. The colors are somewhat glaring considering how static they are. If you don't do rollover or flash animations I would cut out the gradient circle inside the hexagons and jazz up the text inside of the navbar. Try the font you use for your "Rat King" logo. Also, some formatting needs to be done to the text area on the start page. Since there's no splash page, customers are comming to default.shtml and judging your abilities to build a website based on that page. Add some band art or page header graphics or something to let them know you have the abilities they're seeking. In other words, wow them. I like the FAQ page and the tone you take answering them. Sounds like you are talking to your audience. But the "Isn't that censorship" question could probably be dumped (IMO). And I agree with taking the prices off of the FAQ. Not the right place for it, unless the Q is "How much is a site" and the answer is a link to your pricing page. Just incase prices rise to meet the overwhelming demand on your site ;-) Otherwise, I think your idea is right on track, and I love the idea! Best of luck! SteveG >>> kjs at ratking.co.uk 09/09/01 03:22PM >>> Dear List members I have finally finished the site that I hope will bring me in some more work, http://www.ratking.co.uk . My idea is, I want to do sites for bands so they can have an e-mail list, put some MP3s up etc. This site has taken me months to do, so long in fact that a music paper that I link to has gone up in price twice since I originally wrote the page. It uses HTML, JavaScript, ASP, CSS, and SSI, and I am very proud of it. Before I unleash this on an unsuspecting public I wanted to ask you to do a site critique to see if there is anything I missed, and please, no Blockbuster gags :) Kev kjs at ratking.co.uk --------------------------------------- For unsubscribe and other options, including the Tip Harvester and archive of TheList go to: http://lists.evolt.org Workers of the Web, evolt ! From sam at sam-i-am.com Mon Sep 10 09:36:36 2001 From: sam at sam-i-am.com (Sam-I-Am) Date: Mon Sep 10 09:36:36 2001 Subject: [thelist] Finished, at last ! References: Message-ID: <3B9CCF9A.7DEEB211@sam-i-am.com> > In other words, wow them. in the work I've done for bands in the past, they are the most wow-centric clients I've come across. They'll want flash and fancy graphic work and all the wizbang you can throw at them... just take a look at album covers - the music industry is very visual and all about the cool factor. I'd hook up with some other designers so you can provide a range of styles.. grunge through minimal, etc. __And do a showcase site__. In truth what most bands *need* is the same as anyone else .. they need to connect with their customers, offer news, tour dates, releases, the mp3 samples, merchandise -- (hook up your sample site with cafepress or similar). But the website is really an emotional property that you need to work to win them over. Its an extension of their brand, and of premium value. Once you get your foot in the door word of mouth should take over. But be aware that these are customers who spend their professional lives getting screwed over by the Man, and they are sharp, and won't hesitate to turn the tables. Win trust and get money up front. Also be aware that music is a labour of love for most bands, and they may not understand why they have to pay for your creativity when they get paid peanuts. Hope i've not tarred everyone with the same brush.. (some of my best friends are band members :) Actually this was some of the most exciting and rewarding work I ever did (though its years past now and I think since replaced or offline). Other thoughts - make contacts, show your showcase site to producers and managers - these are the guys who are really making money decisions, and you'll be running uphill until you get full enthusiastic approval from them. Sam From gturner at ync.net Mon Sep 10 09:42:04 2001 From: gturner at ync.net (Glenn Turner) Date: Mon Sep 10 09:42:04 2001 Subject: [thelist] Finished, at last ! In-Reply-To: References: <015001c13964$d736f320$6400a8c0@kjs> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010910093912.03069768@pop31.ync.net> At 10:43 AM 9/10/2001 +0100, you wrote: >1. .com, .net, .org are all the same price anywhere >I've looked. Network Solutions does not have flat tld prices - they charge $35 for .com, $30 for .net and $25 for .org. hth, glenn ------------------------------- :alias: http://peccaui.com/alias From john at userfrenzy.com Mon Sep 10 09:46:36 2001 From: john at userfrenzy.com (John Handelaar) Date: Mon Sep 10 09:46:36 2001 Subject: [thelist] Finished, at last ! In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010910093912.03069768@pop31.ync.net> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org > [mailto:thelist-admin at lists.evolt.org]On Behalf Of Glenn Turner > Sent: 10 September 2001 15:48 > To: thelist at lists.evolt.org > Subject: RE: [thelist] Finished, at last ! > > > Network Solutions does not have flat tld prices - they charge $35 > for .com, > $30 for .net and $25 for .org. Then use Gandi.net instead: EUR12 (about $12) each. ------------------------------------------ John Handelaar T +44 20 7209 4117 M +44 7930 681789 F +44 870 169 7657 E john at userfrenzy.com ------------------------------------------ From webdad at tampabay.rr.com Mon Sep 10 09:46:56 2001 From: webdad at tampabay.rr.com (Bob Boisvert) Date: Mon Sep 10 09:46:56 2001 Subject: [thelist] Dreamweaver Templates Message-ID: <000801c13a07$b4fd8460$0200a8c0@BOISNET2> I've just downloaded a bunch of templates for Dreamweaver, unfortunately I don't see how to install them since they are in a ZIP file. Unless I missed it in the online documentation, am I supposed to extract them to a particular folder? This is probably simple and I'm just missing something up stairs this morning. Any help is appreciated. Bob --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.277 / Virus Database: 146 - Release Date: 9/5/01 From sam at sam-i-am.com Mon Sep 10 09:49:39 2001 From: sam at sam-i-am.com (Sam-I-Am) Date: Mon Sep 10 09:49:39 2001 Subject: [thelist] Dreamweaver Templates References: <000801c13a07$b4fd8460$0200a8c0@BOISNET2> Message-ID: <3B9CD2AB.4A124A39@sam-i-am.com> you need to place them in a Templates folder under the root of your site. (case sensitive I believe) hth Sam Bob Boisvert wrote: > > I've just downloaded a bunch of templates for Dreamweaver, unfortunately I > don't see how to install them since they are in a ZIP file. Unless I missed > it in the online documentation, am I supposed to extract them to a > particular folder? > > This is probably simple and I'm just missing something up stairs this > morning. Any help is appreciated. > From kristina at kfx-design.co.uk Mon Sep 10 09:52:42 2001 From: kristina at kfx-design.co.uk (kristina) Date: Mon Sep 10 09:52:42 2001 Subject: [thelist] Dreamweaver Templates In-Reply-To: <000801c13a07$b4fd8460$0200a8c0@BOISNET2> References: <000801c13a07$b4fd8460$0200a8c0@BOISNET2> Message-ID: <6825774001.20010910154924@kfx-design.co.uk> Bob, ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? : I've just downloaded a bunch of templates for Dreamweaver, unfortunately I : don't see how to install them since they are in a ZIP file. Unless I missed : it in the online documentation, am I supposed to extract them to a : particular folder? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? i'm guessing here, but usually in the .zip's there is a txt file that should tell you what to do - so i would extract the files to a temporary directory and then see what you have in there i don't use DW so i'm not certain - -- hth kristina kristina at kfx-design.co.uk "When written in Chinese, the word 'crisis' is composed of two characters. One represents danger, and the other represents opportunity." -- John F. Kennedy From ganemanrussell at yahoo.com Mon Sep 10 09:59:46 2001 From: ganemanrussell at yahoo.com (joseph gannon) Date: Mon Sep 10 09:59:46 2001 Subject: [thelist] Participatioon Rates For Communities Message-ID: <20010910145621.55912.qmail@web14902.mail.yahoo.com> Hi: Does anyone know where I can find statistics on online community participation rates. (Or tell me what has been your experience) For example, if you have X number of users registered to your community, what would one expect as an acceptable participation rate..e.g: 30% of users visit community once a week, and of those 25% post or respond to a question. I am trying to develop standards for acceptbale use Thanks Joe Gannon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com From thelist at lists.evolt.org Mon Sep 10 10:05:01 2001 From: thelist at lists.evolt.org (Tip Harvester) Date: Mon Sep 10 10:05:01 2001 Subject: [thelist] Tip Harvest for the Week of Monday 2001-Sep-03 Message-ID: <200109101505.f8AF50h19947@leo.evolt.org> The tip harvest for the Week of Monday 2001-Sep-03 has been added to the lists.evolt.org site. 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References: Message-ID: <001101c13a0c$4df98020$aa01000a@HEISENBERG> I have to agree about nixing the pink text, and adding mouseovers for the buttons, I also have to commend your ability to avoid superfluous apostrophes. You refer (correctly) to 'MP3s' and 'FAQs' on your home page, instead of the ubiquitous MP3's and FAQ's. Other similar sites have seemed amateurish and obnoxious. Your writing is casual, but made me want to check out the rest of the site. Nice work so far. spinhead > >>> kjs at ratking.co.uk 09/09/01 03:22PM >>> > Dear List members > I have finally finished the site that I hope will > bring me in some more work, http://www.ratking.co.uk . My idea is, I want to > do sites for bands so they can have an e-mail list, put some MP3s up etc. > This site has taken me months to do, so long in fact that a music paper that > I link to has gone up in price twice since I originally wrote the page. It > uses HTML, JavaScript, ASP, CSS, and SSI, and I am very proud of it. Before > I unleash this on an unsuspecting public I wanted to ask you to do a site > critique to see if there is anything I missed, and please, no Blockbuster > gags :) > > Kev > kjs at ratking.co.uk > From pampam12 at hotmail.com Mon Sep 10 10:30:29 2001 From: pampam12 at hotmail.com (Pamela R) Date: Mon Sep 10 10:30:29 2001 Subject: [thelist] frames question Message-ID: Hi all, please excuse my ignorance as I usually try to avoid using frames ;-p My site is done with .asp include files, and another company has done a bit of work for us that I need to insert into the framework of my site. The work they did is all arranged in framesets. I can't seem to figure out how to insert this stuff without using an